What is up everybody? Saturday morning? That means Hobby Hotline episode three oh
one. Today I am joined by Logan Victor, so I am the third
wheel, just tagging along for the ride. Good morning, guys, what's
going on? Morning sir? Saturday morning me. It's a great day.
If you're on the East Coast, it's eleven am or shortly thereafter. Because
Logan reminded me to start the show today, which I appreciate. And if
you're on a different time zone, well then you know that and I'm not
going to translate the time for you. We got some mornings. Good morning,
happy pretty Saturday. Those who celebrate, see Logan right off the bat,
perfect, you know what? All right, you're gonna have to school
me a little bit, mister. The horses names and the odds for them
to win. Okay, now, the one horse was scratched because it had
a fever, so it says scratched. Is it a micro scratch? That's
what I can't say, slab And we'll talk about that later, Okay,
Mad City Brew, Good Morning, Vintage, Good's, good morning, Reuben.
It's an all specs crew. Yes, three guys who can't see without
glasses. Yes, that is one hundred percent true. And if you notice,
not one of us even even fought that that accusation. I cannot see
that at all without them, Philly Joe, good morning. People always ask
me, you know what about contacts, and this said, they're in all
the time. You know, they're not anywhere in my eyes, and they're
special. So what have you, guys, We got a big hobby week.
Logan, you've already kind of nudged me in one direction, so we
might as well start there. P s A made a big announcement that they
are changing their slabs, the new meteor version, and they are going to
be medical grade plastic and victory. This is this is important to know.
Logan mentioned the fact that if you're actually having surgery, you can now use
these to do the surgery because it's medical grade plastic. And there will be
no more baggies, which which eliminates the rings and colors, and and uh,
they are supposed to now be more heat, water and UV resistant.
I don't think they've given an exact diving depth or anything like that, but
uh, they're supposed to be more resistant. Yeah. Initial thoughts, Well,
I think what I was going to do is once I get my new
slabs in the new k the new cases, I'm gonna go to go do
a reveal in the shower and see how they how water resistance they really are.
Uh no that they say this is three years in the making. From
what I understand, the slabs are pretty much they pretty much look the same.
And from you know, Danny, you and I talking earlier. You
know, the medical grade plastic, you know, we think that's part of
you know, where the twenty percent increase in the weight comes from. The
They say that when you pick it up, you can feel it and it
feels you know, it just feels much better as far as you know,
the field goes. So. The thing I like the best though, and
I think a lot of people is the no baggies, getting rid of the
baggiest. I had I had heard, and I do not know if this
is true or not, but I had heard that they were going to do
some kind of uh printing, doing you know, doing the three D printing
and making custom you know holder, you know custom, you know, pieces
inside the holder to hold the cards. I like that. I don't know
if that's true or not, but I've heard that you mean to the size
of the card logan. Yeah, you know, do one for each one.
You know, I don't know if that's true or not. It seems
to me like that would be very time consuming. But uh, that's I've
heard that, not like I said, that's just a rumor. I don't
know if that's true or not. Your thoughts. I love the comment here
that now that it's twenty percent heavier, we'll have to hit the jim harder.
Your your your thoughts on PSA, you know, saying time to mix
it up a little bit. Yeah. When I first read the heading of
the of the email, I was I was kind of taken back because in
my head, I'm thinking, don't tell me they changed the label and and
to Mad City bruise kind of thing here. See, it's it's like one
one some folks that think that's okay. Others I would say, oh no,
please don't mess with the label. Uh. And and when I first
read that heading, I kind of panicked. But they didn't do much with
the label. I was grateful for that, but I had some questions obviously,
And and you know, on the on the medical great thing the new
plastic, heavier, sturdy or all of that, I like it. My
question is is it going to be more clear? Is it going to like
combat the CSG slab in its clarity? Right? So, uh, that's
my first question. My next question means, our price is gonna go up?
Who's gonna absorb the cost of this new fancy dancy slab? I I
unfortunately have the I think it's gonna be us And and so that's unfortunate.
Uh is c S is uh c GC gonna follow suit? Are they gonna
do something similar to kind of uh mix things up a bit? And and
those are kind of my my takeaways on on this and that. And that's
kind of where I'm at with a bit. I I like, I like
the technology. I think it's it's a good thing, but but at what
cost? At what cost is it going to absorb the collector? Well,
Vor, you touched on on one of the points I've had, which is
actually the reverse, but making the same point. I think PSA made some
of these changes in reaction to what some of the other card companies have done,
what Tag did with their plastic, or CGC with their plastic. You
know, we talk about this being thicker and heavier. Maybe they couldn't go
clearer. They couldn't win on clearer, but they could win on thicker and
more protective. And you know, outside of going to the Beckett brick,
you know, this might have been the way for them to try to gain
a competitive advantage because it is hard to get plastic any clearer without changing dimensions.
Yeah, I mean after a while, you know, and Logan and
I were talking about this. Outside of not changing the label, the only
thing they couldn't do is change the dimensions of the slab, right, they
be disastrous. Yeah, they still have to be able to stack and do
all the same things that all the other slabs do. They have to match.
That would throw collectors into a tizzy. And I would be one of
them. I would not want a different size slab because because I'm all in
on PSA, I don't have I've got very few you know, anybody else
BGS or CGC or anybody slabs. I've got all ninety nine point nine nine
nine percent is PSA. So yeah, that would be a killer. But
I'm thinking maybe with this medical grade plastic that maybe it will be clearer that
because they didn't mention that, you know, Ryan Hoag did not mention that
when he did his video, and I thought for sure he would say something
about that. So I don't know if that implies that it's the same or
they just forgot you know, I don't know, I do I do appreciate.
To me, it seems anyways that they are listening to the consumer right.
A lot of these things are things that we have been requesting for quite
some time, and it seems like they really took the step on the HR
side of things to really listen to the consumer and give the consumer what they
want. So in that aspect a plus, and I'm going to put it
in the chat right now. I'm just putting best looking slab question mark because
they did not change the look essentially except for the baggy, which which is
significant. I think they tried very hard to keep that PSA look, and
so I'm just curious from an aesthetic only point of view, you know,
did they need to do anything else or does everybody like the PSA look already?
And they had to do everything they could to not change that. Come
Hecker high Water, you know that they had to leave it the way it
was white sox Tom says tag A lot of people, a lot of people
loves the tag slab and they don't pay them, don't pay the prices for
for tag, but they like to slab Logan if you weren't a PSA Hall
of Famer and you did not have ninety nine point nine five percent PSA,
is there somebody else's slab that you like to look of? And I think
a couple of people may have just hit your answer here. Well, you
know, I know there's a lot of love for SGC right now, but
I'm I'm not a fan of the tuxedo, so that I'm going to rule
that one out as far as the way, as far as clarity is concerned,
if I'm looking for a clearer type slab, probably CGC would be one
that I might like. But you know, I you know, I'm not
making buddy, I'm not making you switch. Don't worry. No, I
know you're not U you know. But I was born and raised on PSA,
so you know, I kind of have followed that path, and like
I said, I'm all in on PSA. But you know, you know,
I like Beckett slabs too. Beckett slabs are pretty you know, they're
they're pretty stout, they're thick. I mean, I got a card the
other day that I'm going to crack out, and the thickness and everything and
how sturdy that thing is is pretty impressive. Yeah, I've always heard they
were some of the hardest to crack just because of that. Yeah, they
are. But the one I got and we can maybe show it later if
we show any cards or anything, I'll show the card that I picked up.
But yeah, going to crack this thing out is going to be a
bear. You got up with you? Oh yeah, I got it with
me right here, I'll show it. I'll go ahead and show it right
now. And it's not even a racing card, believe it or not.
This is are both caught off car. Yeah, no, everybody's shot.
But yeah, okay, it's not motorized racing. Yeah, it's still racing.
It's it's uh, it's human powered racing. It's uh, Lance Armstrong.
This is a two thousand and eight History of Nike card. These cards
are really hard to find and I've literally been looking for this car for probably
ten years. Wow, and this popped up. But it's a great set.
You know. They's got Michael Jordan in there, it's got Lance Armstrong,
it's got Tiger Woods bo Jackson's in there, Mike Schmidt. There's a
lot of people in this set, but it's you know, it's a very
tough set. I think that they only made like one hundred and fifty sets
from what we understand, and they just and they were just handed out,
you know, at Nike, so you know, the chances of them getting
into collector's hands, you know, are tough because people to take those things
and just throw them in the drawer or whatever and or throw them away.
They don't they just didn't care. So to try to find one of these
is hard. But you can see you can see how thick the slab is
and it overlaps. So yeah, cracking this thing is gonna be be exciting.
That's a concern too with this new PSA holder, meaning it's twenty percent
heavier, is it going to be twenty percent more difficult to crack? And
right, we will see, we were all we were all of we're thinking
that Matt City. Bruce says, well, Logans, you you like the
Becket slab, but you're cracking it out. Will you explain when I keep
calling you PSA Hall of Famer, will you actually explain what that means?
In the registry for people. Well, I'm gonna probably take take some flyers
and crack it right here, pull it apart, take the card out,
put it in like a card saver four, and send it the p s
A. The reason I'm doing this is I have a Lance Armstrong set on
the PSA registree and this is the only card that I don't have. Now
this will close another another one for you. This will make another complete set.
Like said, I've been looking for this card for probably ten years.
Unreal that tough. I'm looking for my p s A Registry pin that that
I can't find it right now. I don't even get a pin. I
think I get an email. We have a Hall of Famer. We have
Vitcher, who's well above Main, closer to Logan. And then I get
an email somewhere a month behind. I have one set completed on PSA registry.
It is a five card set or four card set. So I'd like
to brag about that. So I see you Logan, and I raise you.
My Greg Maddox playing Day's rookie card sets. Okay, uh, I'll
tell you what I'll uh. He's gonna go on eBay and by the end
of the show, he's gonna he's gonna pass me, all right. Uh
so those are the PSA slabs. Any other thoughts on the PSA slabs before
we move on? I got a I got a notification in the email yesterday
that my submission has been shipped. So looking forward to getting them in hand.
Now do we know when they're actually switching to the new slabs or they've
already started. I believe they have already started. They said immediately they're going
to be doing it. Well that I'd be very very interested, Victor if
you get them back, if they're the new slabs. Uh, what your
what your thoughts are? Okay, especially on the way. Tell me if
we got to hit the gym, you know, before the national the registry
can be a bit addicting. I think we would all second that, and
fleet guilty. Maybe also very satisfying as far as very very satisfying in your
collecting, right, Yes it is, I mean it's it's definitely my drug
of choice of choice for sure. Yeah, you work so hard and so
long on a set registering when you finally complete it. To me, there's
no better satisfaction in the hobby personally. Logan, how many years were you
chasing that card about ten years? There you go. I mean that's I
search for it literally every day. That's how that's how family find amazing this.
This is probably the best idea. Maybe we should start a support crypt
uh. Yeah, without a doubt. We could use one, absolutely.
Yeah, but you know what, of all our choices, these are our
healthier ones. Indeed, there's no there's no way I could go cold turkey.
Yeah, Okay, moving on to I want to stick with the p
s A slabs sort of. And there is a national retailer that is entering
the UH trading card market or the trading card acquisition market for a certain degree,
and that's a game stop. They are accepting trade ins UH, and
they're actually buying PSA slabs. Wellgan, I know you all this a little
closer than I have. What are the details with those? Well, stand,
they are only they're only accepting PSA slabs first, and then from that
they're only accepting PSA eight nines and tens. And I think the card value
has to be five hundred dollars or less that they're that they're authorized to purchase.
Apparently they've got some kind of cheat sheet or some kind of formula that
they're using to say, okay, I when I bring in my bo Jackson
nineteen eighty nine bo Jackson card, that they know what the price is if
it's an eight, nine or ten, and they're gonna pay a certain percentage
to you or give you store credit or whatever they're gonna do. And it's
not available nationwide yet. It's gonna only be available in Connecticut, Georgia,
Kentucky, Mississippi, New York, Tennessee, and Texas. So I could
do it here if I wanted to in Tennessee. Now the question is is
what what are they paying? Like you said, they haven't put out an
exact spreadsheet or anything like that. My understanding is is this is all going
to be PSA provided data and so you know, the store employee will have
no say in the matter. They're going to scan the back of the slab
and that will provide them with a price on the screen. And I assume
it's PSA data, card ladder data, something from collectible and your collectors,
I'm sorry, and that'll tell them what they're paying or trade in value.
That there's not a negotiation. This is not going to be like a card
store. But you know. The point was, is there a generation of
teenagers young adults that have more access to game stops and junk slabs laying around
them might be interested in this than the traditional collector who probably doesn't want fifty
cents on the dollar or thirty cents on the dollar or whatever they're paying.
Ultimately, Victor, what are your thoughts on just a national retailer kind of
getting into the hobby at all. Yeah, another another leg for fanatics to
get in there, perhaps long term. I was a little shocked when I
heard about this. I did not even think game stops were even still open.
I haven't seen one in quite some time near me. I do remember
taking my son in there in the you know, late nineties, early two
thousands to trade games, and they would not offer very much. I mean
we're talking fraction of a cost, but at least he would get something if
something was better than nothing, so he would trade his stuff in for store
credit. But yeah, I was a little shocked that they were still open.
I'm wondering is what's the distribution of these stores nationwide and what options do
collectors have for the you know, for so if they don't have a game
stop near them. Is there going to be a through the mail online business
model that that collectors can perhaps utilize, But I don't know if this is
for sports cards or madele TCG. I don't know. My understanding was I
saw Philly Joe's comment is that it's gonna be both that. Right now,
they carry tcg's actual packs in their stores and they carry Funkos, not not.
I mean, I'm talking about like one shelf with like a like a
box up and with some packs or something. But they do have that,
and they've had that in the stores for a little while. And Logan correct
me if I'm wrong. But my understanding is this is applying to sports cards
very much. Yes, Yeah, they're they're gonna be doing sports cards and
TCG cards. Like I said, they're they're only gonna be They're only gonna
be p s A. You know. The My question is, you know,
what are they gonna be paying? In Denny, I have to agree
with you. I think this is more geared towards the younger type collector flipper,
because I don't see anybody like myself going to GameStop and selling cards,
right yeah, or you guys. I don't see you guys going to do
that either. But VI, you mentioned that when your kids were younger,
you would go there to trading games. Yep. Could I see my boys
going there and trading in slabs they don't care about for the new you know
FIFA. Yeah, I mean yeah I could, because you know, it's
not like they're selling it on eBay, you know, directly themselves. You
know a lot of these kids, it's just stuff laying around the room.
And the amount of slabs that are out there right now I think are being
very underestimated. I think it's truly kind of a junk slab error right now.
So I think there's a lot of cards that are going to fit in
that under five hundred dollars PSA eight nine ten range that people will be happy
to get a couple bucks out of. Sure. Sure, I think it's
a great business move of four games stuff. Maybe perhaps throwing some bait out
there to see if fanatics can join and you know, give them allocation or
give them a buyout, or give them a partnership. It could be big
picture, that could be what's going on now. Another question that I have
too is, okay GameStop buys these slabs, do they resell them in the
store or are they shipped back to the GameStop mothership where they list them on
their website. Because I looked at their website last night and they do have
some uh p s A slab cards for sale, So I don't know how
that how that part is going to work. Now you're getting into the tinfoil
hat brigade there, logan if they're already up on the site. Now,
I'm curious. Rumor on the hobby streets and it's it's going to the repackers.
Oh duh, oh yeah, yeah, I think this is what Victor
and I were talking about. GameStop gives you two dollars for a slab votes
out for fifty. Let me tell you something. Try try buying any sports
game the day after the next year's announced, their value goes woo. You
know, so, I I guess they're gonna be using the ponnd Stars model.
I guess, yeah, really, I mean, that's that's really interesting
if they have on sale now, are you looking at it? Yeah,
it's on their website. Yeah, yeah, it's it's there. I saw
some last night. There there were a lot of Pokemon, but there were
some sports cards in there. As well. Victor, It's a whole new
world, buddy, It sure is. It is. So now, does
does you know, like Beckett come and like counteracts with like Taco Bell,
or you know, do we start having you know, grading companies align themselves
with different national retailers. Maybe at Dick's Sporting Goods and Beckett go together.
You never know, it could things like that could happen. I'm only half
kidding. I mean, you know the way fanatics is going, the hobby
is moving into regular retail, right, this is true, ten X,
you got to get into the main stream. It's true. I mean,
if you can buy wax right now, it lives. You know, you
can buy wax and all sorts of fanatics you know, owned or partnered you
know, retailers fanatics. That Dick's actually makes sense, yes, and it
actually makes a great point. Rex and interviewed him yesterday. We talked about
for the big chains, how hard it is to actually uh train your employees
in the art of arts. When you're hiring hourly employees at a store.
It's going to be very interesting to see how much they can take it out
of the hands of the employees completely and make it successful because that's kind of
what they've done with the video games, right, because I think Rex is
Rex is correct here. You cannot trust a store full of employees to negotiate
on your behalf scary when you think about it, right, Yeah, I
mean, are you kidding those? You know? That wouldn't work out well?
Put slabs in Cereal boxes to get kids seat breakfast? Hey, I
do that. I've been screen in that for years now. But that's how
I came into the hobby. No a full graded slab. Oh no,
no, I mean I'm talking about breakfast breakfast to the Cereal put cards in
there. It a hobby, that's that's that's a good route. Hey man,
post Cereal still good sucks. Trade your wander slabs for a cheesy Grdida
crunch. See if you move it too, Taco bell. Yeah, you
got all sorts of different partnership options. So I got a question. So
do we see these uh, these younger collectors going to shows trying to find
some of these slabs that are very low priced, you know, since you
know, since this is the junk slab era that we're living in right now,
and take and then flipping those and going over to game stop and then
getting making money and getting credit or you know, getting a video game they
want. That's an excellent point and they probably will absolutely I think that.
I think you'll see that happen. Yeah, I mean, and and to
Retch's point, you know, nationally, can you train thousands of associates just
about fake or faked slabs? You know, I guess the PSA, the
PSA barcode is really going to get tested, because my understanding is that that's
going to be the whole kind kaboodle. Can one of you guys educate me
on when the back of the slab started getting a barcode. I do not
know the history of the PSA flip nearly as well, but I know that
it was added at some point as as another security measure and then upgraded again.
I thought towards the Lighthouse second generation slab, I believe it was personally
it may be, you know, because the first generation then, you know,
they just had like a hologram that said PSA City, Yeah, Collector's
Universe PSA on the back. It didn't it was pretty generic. Uh,
you know, I'm glad they have this. The the barcode and the QR
code, those are both nice to have on there because one time when I
get one in, I get take my iPad and I scan it right in,
and I assume that's what they're gonna have to do at game stop because
to Rex's point, there's no way you can train all these employees or stop
theft and fakes and you know, well everything else. One of the things
Danny is that it does have to have the lighthouse label type slab. So
that's another thing they're gonna have to train these people on is to see,
you know, to know okay, this is this is where you start.
You know, anything other than this we were not going to accept. Really
that's interesting taking the older stuff. No, probably our point of of the
bar coding. You know, it's probably did not know. That's a good
point logan Rex. As In reality, PSA slab cards make up a small
percentage of of all cards sold. There are no official numbers, but raw
cards probably out cell graded cards twenty to one or more. I don't doubt
that at all, you know, I would agree with that for sure.
It's probably more. Yeah, I just think the logistics of a card store
or is different than that of a game stop. Game Stop. I wouldn't
trust with raw cards. From a game Stop management standpoint, I wouldn't trust
the employees unless, yeah, they might give that to their managers, the
responsibility of funneling that, I would think. I don't know, Yeah,
go to your lcs, folks, there you go. But you know,
maybe maybe final I mean made financial. Maybe game Stop is going to have
a certain day or time when you can bring these in. Because I know
that my one of my lcs is here. They have a trade day on
Wednesday so that they don't really buy or sell anything from you know, individuals,
except on Wednesdays. So if you've got something to come in and you
know, we'll deal with you. I wonder if that's what game Stop is
going to do. It would make sense, you know, because that way,
you know you've got somebody at the store right that can deal with it.
Right. Well, I think that gets back to whether or not they
can automate the They feel like they can automate it like they do with the
video games. If they can get that process down, but then it's you
know, the slab's got to stay in good condition. I'm with Rex.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Yep, long term,
any other thoughts on game Stop before we move on, goes, Well,
the only thing I was going to say is game Stop positioning themselves for being
bought by fanatics. Well, Victim, I thought mentioned something similar that they
might be positioning themselves for a Luki lit from somebody else. I think that's
I think that's what they're doing out there. Yeah, and he and Rex
says, getting back to your comment before logan, that's similar to how do
we do it? I'm the primary buyer of single cards at both our shops.
There you go. Yeah, I've heard that from other stores as well.
Well, it only makes sense what's up Orlando. Game Stop is desperate,
not wrong. Doesn't change the conclusions I think any of us are drawing
either. You know, I the whole video world is going away from Cartridges.
Yes, that's going to be a tough retail model. Yeah, they
definitely need to diversify, and that this is one attempt to do so.
And bo Bo talking to Rex's point, maybe it's not twenty to one,
maybe it's fourteen three and thirty eight to zero. I love it, though,
I'd love to know how many graded ones you've listed. I've got multiple.
Yeah, but good to see about congratulations again on your project. Everyone
have a good day. Thank you. Nicro fan thirty five go into a
low car show yep listed zero slapped. Well, bo, I'm assuming now
you're just going to go to game stop for all your slap sales. It
seems like all the cool kids are doing it, you know. Yeah,
I wonder how many of these good will palettes have just graded cards. In
a big palette of graded good will card would be Well, Logan's already onto
this arbitrage opportunity. He's going through. He's going through. Uh the card
hobbyists give a shout out to brother. Okay, So those those were two
of the stories I wanted to get started with because p s A slabs and
p s A slabs and PSA slabs. Guess what PSA slabs? Uh true
warn true game warn cards. I got to write that time. Uh Corbyn,
Carrol, Bobby wit Jr. They looked around around with cardboard in their
pants. Uh Logan, you uh were giving me some information on this or
how many cards they had? Uh? Yeah? Sure? First of all,
I wonder if they had cardboarding in their pants, if they were happy
to see everybody. But anyway, yeah, Bobby we had. It was
Bobby Witt and Corbyn Carroll. P s A actually went out and gave them
the card. So this was initiate by PSA. They went to the players
at the games. This was opening day. From what I understand, Bobby
Witt had seven cards and corpor and Carroll had six with him. So PSA
took all those cards once they were done. Of course, they didn't grade
very well. I mean you have to expect that, you know, he
had like PSA one's twos threes. But they took one card from each player
and they gave the rest back to the players to give to whoever they want.
But the players they numbered the cards like if like, since Bobby Witt
had seven cards, he would label his one of seven, two of seven,
three of seven, and so on and so forth. Right, PSA
took cards number two from each one, two seven and two of six from
each one, and they're going to actually give those away to anybody that submits
a value plus submission or higher. So the value plus is a twenty day
submission, a turnaround, and I think it's thirty nine to ninety nine per
card. So if you do that, you're automatically entered into this drawing to
win one of these two cards. So I think it's really cool what they've
done. I know, Victor, we talked about it and we said,
you know, it's it's kind of gimmicky, but I'll like it, you
know. Yeah, that was kind of the kickback they got under marketing for
this. It seemed to trigger a lot of people as far as being over
the top on gimmicky. I do like the concept. It's to me,
you know, when we look at vintage cards or cards from the eighties,
what do we as collectors do to kind of spice it up a little bit?
Well, I like to go to the Chicago Sports Spectacular with my nineteen
eighty nine Gary Sheffield right and have him sign it with a with a inscription,
and it just takes a good card of a good player, but kind
of notches it up a little bit. And so I love the concept of
rookie cards being inscribed and signed and all of that. This is really a
cool concept and it shows fanatics, in my opinion, that hey, you're
not the only one that can sign athletes. We two can sign athletes.
We two can come up and be creative. So it creates this creativity and
this competition, which, if I'm not mistaken, that's what the hobby has
been crying for for decades now, is the competitiveness, the creativity, and
here is we have it and a lot of us are shooting it down,
and I think we need to take a step back and look at the big
picture and that concept. And it's also what it's not some kind of gimmick
that they're trying to scam people out of thousands of dollars like we do at
some of the tops now stuff now, this is a giveaway. Yeah,
not Raccoon was on my PC wantless, right, but it is. It's
a giveaway, folks. It's done for marketing for the business. And if
we had social media back in the nineties and all of that, I'm sure
we would have been seeing that all of this stuff advertised to us on social
media, but we didn't have that back then. And today that is the
median for getting the word out there. It's to social media, and it's
a giveaway, it's harmless, and it's a genius concept in my opinion.
Rex says, fundamentally, I'm not a fan of damaging cards for any purpose.
You know, it's funny I've gone back and forth on this concept of
whether or not they should have protected the cards somehow or put them in a
top loader or something. You know what, I'm not sure I would have
believed it or would have had the same authenticity feel if they weren't beat up
pretty good. You know, I expect a Major League Baseball player to move
around a lot more than I do, so you know, when we're out
there playing a game, if they got a car, I mean, I
wouldn't put a wrong card in my pants, you know, and expected to
come out a ten. So you know, I just I that doesn't bother
me as much for these cards. Fundamentally, I don't like damaging cards,
right, but these cards? Is it adds to the provenance? It sure
does. It gives a whole new meaning to a PSA one, It sure
does. Yeah, yep. So the question is are we going to see
more of this with other players? Are we going to see more of this
with other sports? I can see NASCAR drivers tucking some down in their fire
suit. Then they gotta go pee. You know what are you gonna get
there? Oh? Boy? The card obvious says, I poke fun at
it, but I like the idea I can see it applied to football with
cards in the helmet or shoulder pads. Sure, yeah, somewhere out of
the way, but those are not going to stay at ten And I forget
where I heard this from, but imagine if they did that to somebody for
the Super Bowl or Game seven of the World Series. Oh yeah, we
were able to have some of that stuff that kind of creativity impacts that would
be amazing. The only thing is, I think it's they got to I
don't know on the legalities of them actually PSA actually selling stuff like this.
I think it's that might that might be a legal problem. I don't know,
but it wouldn't be a problem if if a collector did that, So
I don't I don't know why it would be an issue if p s A
did this and sold them, right, I don't know the legalities of that,
but yeah, I imagine that in a in a big game, that
that would be a pretty cool card. I mean, I think in general,
the hobbies moving towards connecting to on the field, right, whether it's
game warn game used autographs, we're finding more of a connection with the actual
players. The card shows, the fanatics fest are all more experiential and a
lot of the giveaways now or you know, players following you back, getting
involvements and stuff with players. So to me, this is just kind of
an extension of some of that. You know that we're just finding another way
to connect in the hobby with the players directly. But to me, this
is also version one. I mean, just exactly to Victor's point of all
of all the tentacles and all the different ways they could go with this.
To me, this this, this feels like a good way to try it
out. They didn't really announce it in advance. They they I think,
saw if there was any backlash or if the leagues had any kinks to work
out or anything like that. And you know, I I think I think
it's interesting. Obviously, the chat room doesn't completely agree with ever anything I
say, but specifically on this one, I'm comments that I can put up
here. Sorry, go ahead, And I said, I'm on, I'm
on, I'm on record for liking this. I like it, and I
you know, I don't submit at the value plus you know range, but
I will probably submit one card at value plus just so I'm entered. Because
if you if you don't enter, you can't win, so who knows.
I mean, all it takes is one so maybe I could win. I
don't know, We'll see. I mean it would be so cool, it
really would be. And we were saying before it's the first game worn cards
in history slabs or that we know of, right, you know, I'm
sure there's a story somewhere, and if somebody knows that, I always like
to learn and put it in the chat room. But this is the first
time I've ever heard of a card actually going on to a field purposely with
a player. Yeah. I mean, the closest thing I can remember is
when David Wells bought Bay Bruce hat and wore and wore it and then they
made him take it off, and but that was that was different. They
find out, Uh, Chad, I don't want to right turn this whole
show, But the short answer is no, Chicago is the spot, man,
Chicago is the bomb, no doubt. Man. Yeah, So I'll
be hope your morning. There his VIP ticket, it's his first national Chad.
It'll be wonderful to ter what Yep, it'll be wonderful whatever. What?
Yeah, thank you, Michael. All right, So definitely wanted to
to just talk about that a little bit because I think it's a cool concept.
And I and free which one of you just said, the competition for
creativity. I love that idea that that with the card designs and and and
the marketing, it's gotta it's gotta be I think the biggest thing in the
next twelve to twenty four months for fanatics, for Panini, for Leaf.
I mean, it's not just signing athletes. Eventually everybody's gonna sign, you
know, more or less, everybody's gonna have a contract, and you're gonna
be judged on the cards. Yep, and and and so that's something to
be said. This is the breaks of imagine said player scores a touchdown,
pulls the car down the end zone and signs it nice. That's pretty cool.
That's the Chatto Cho Cinco version. Have you guys seen the cards that
they're that PSA is given away. They're not only there are they autographed,
but they're also inscribed, you know, with you know, either statistics or
something. Yeah, so it's more than it's more than just an autograph.
So it's even more personalized than just like getting a card autographed. Uh.
And they're both ps A threes that they're given away. So wow, ps
A three s well, which means they don't qualify for a game stuff.
That's right. Yes, Now I'm wondering how, you know, because this
ends. I think June thirtieth is the last day you know, for I
guess submitting or whatever with the value plus. I wonder how they're gonna announce
this. Are they just gonna just blindly put it in your submission or are
they gonna I mean, what are they gonna do? I mean, shocking
your submission and getting that back in return? That would be awesome. You
just like there it is in front of you. I mean, I hope
they put a note saying you're supposed to have I'm sure otherwise, otherwise I'd
be trying to number. You know, I got a Bobby Wick card here?
Did he lose one? Yeah? Somebody somebody who don't anything about it?
But what is this? Right? Exactly? Here we go thousands of
autographs of every player, so they are unique, especially for player collectors.
That's an interesting concept. It's a type of autograph autograph collectors have never been
able to get before is on a player worn you know card, that's true.
I mean they've held they've held it in their hands, they they've used
it, they played with it literally and uh, then they've autographed it,
and then they give it away. Rett says the main reason he thinks it's
hoky is that the cards are not designed to be worn has jersey, socks,
et cetera. That makes sense to me. These do not understand your
point. To me, this goes along with photographs and other things. You
know, they don't necessarily have to be worn to be part of the moment.
You know, a type one photograph can be part of a moment,
and I think these cards are part of a moment. I wouldn't be surprised
if they start getting attached to to specific games and moments more on the slab
themselves. And just getting back to this point from before, h Logan,
you're understanding what Game Stops was paying their typical pennies on the dollar, right,
you know, I just don't say Game Stop paying a lot of money
for these cards. I just don't see that. But like I said,
it's more geared. I think it's more geared towards the younger collector, the
ones who you know still who are playing video games are in that you know
who are in that. So I just don't see him paying a lot of
money for these slabs, especially at PSA eight or nine, you know,
maybe a ten. You know who knows. Well. Let me ask you
guys a question. Companies have done hair samples before, like a strand of
hair. You know, I don't know how to ask this without it sounding
weird. Is one cooler weirder? You know? I mean, you know,
people are making funny comments, but that that's something that we've kind of
accepted, is that we'll take, you know, especially deceased person's strand of
hair put into a card. I think I think it's kind of awkward personally.
That's just my personal conviction for human beings. Yes, I will say
this since today is the prateness. I do have a card with a hair
from Secretariat. See I do have that. I'm cool for some reason.
Now that's kind of cool because it's not from a human being. Yeah,
I'm with Victor having human hair. It's just a little creepy to me.
You know. It's it's like here in Memphis. Uh, the lady who
used to cut Elvis's hair, she kept all that hair, she has it.
Yeah. See, if I know my barber's keeping. I want to
I want to put back in kind all right. And then there was one
other topic I wanted to try to touch on here that I was really really
interested, also in the chat room, and this goes back a little while
when it was first rumored and announced eBay buys golden and trade for the eBay
vault vault or something like that. Sorry, we got we just set off
the chat room for a second. Let me catch up here. Yeah,
everybody's talking about the hair now. Yeah, I should have known it when
I went there. Hair and other human relative have been collected for ages.
None of that stuff interests me personally. Yep, yep. That would be
a good live stream. Go to GameStop and do a test run on slab
selling. I think you're going to see that coming on the next week or
so with some people who lived near those stores. If you've watched foll different
people on YouTube, you need medical grade plastic for five hair for sure.
Yep. Absolutely, fingernail cards coming see doraw the line. Alan Giner has
done hair relics. George Washington, I think, yep, wow, yeah,
they yeah, I have same same facts. Yeah, a strand of
hair would help my clumbing side project. Uh and logan your background just getting
a shout out from that seventies show What's up? John? Nice yellow bowling
shirt that's a Believe it or not. That's from when Dale Earnhardt Senior drove
the Wrangler car back in the early eighties. This is one of the crew
uniforms or cruise shirts from that team. Nice. So yeah, yeah,
the hair is and noga for me, you know, maybe the secretariat.
Uh, but wow, I didn't. I got caught off guard. I
should have done better. Well, you guys are fantastic. Yep. So
eBay buys Golden and Trade for its vault. I want to summarize a couple
of things here, And the reason that I want to talk about it is
if somebody now wants to grade a card with eBay, excuse me, great
a card with PSA and sell it through eBay, they can do it one
flat rate. I mean, that's that's light years from where we came from.
Guys, think about when we started collecting cards, you know, pre
grading, pre Internet, and now you're getting them graded Internet and you're not
even touching the card. If you don't want to, you can send it
in What do you guys. What do you guys feel about the hands off
for transactions. Do you like the simplicity or do you miss having it to
go through your hands at some point? I think the simplicity is great for
people who want that. I'm a touchy feely guy. You know. If
I buy a card, I want it in my hand. So for me,
it's it's it doesn't matter. But there's a lot of people that are
wanting to flip and do things like that. This is great. It's going
to be great for them. Us sports cards. Want some hobby hotline national
relic cards this summer? There you go, Yeah, exactly. Great for
flippers. Yeah, that's what I think. Great for flippers. Yep,
it's just the way money is transferred anyway. Who uses cash anymore? I
don't. You know, here's someplace that requires cash and it's interesting, you
know, you get caught off guard. All right, Well, I think
Well the idea was we can play guess where the hair came from? So
you guys, ye know, I got three children at home and it's nothing
nothing like this. Yeah, this eBay to Golden Trade. You know,
it doesn't do nothing for me because I don't play in that realm per se.
But I can see this being you know, beneficial for those who play
in that arena, you know, somewhere between the five, ten, fifteen
thousand dollars cards that that kind of thing. What if it's backwards, What
would you buy a rock card on eBay and have it automatically sent a PSA
and then sent to you to get graded on the way It depends on the
price. Now, I usually need need it sent to me because I need
to see it. That's what the pictures and the scans that aren't enough.
I need to put it under my own light, you know. So so
for you, there's no savings because it's going through your hands one way or
another. Correct, Correct. It's interesting the new concept of PSA giving you
the option to shoot it straight to eBay. I like that concept. I
even considered it with this last submission that I got headed back. My only
thing is the you know it's they only give you the seven day auction.
I'm not a fan of doing the seven day auction. You know, if
they would allow me to set it up as a by it now, I
would have sent most of my submission directly to eBay. But you know they
are fortunately on to a seven day auction. Seven day auction, right,
and sometimes you can get slaughtered and seventy auctions. Yes, Able agrees with
you, Victor. No to buy raw and need to see the card.
Yeah, and that's that's what I was wondering. We're going to do some
auctions that way for sure. I mean, if it's a new you know,
like a new release, you know you might, but I still I
still need to see it. Yeah. No, I definitely on a product
that came out two days ago, you know, you're probably a scan or
a picture on both sides can probably suffice. But nah, Yeah, I
do see the value in it for some people. If I were if I
were buying a lot of card, a single lot of cards, and they're
all the same card, and I know I'm sending them all in anyway,
I don't, you know, I'll just send them in. If if it's
a vintage card that I'm doing for one of my sets, and I don't
care what the grade is, I just want it graded. I feel I
feel a little bit more comfortable there. If it's a card I'm picking and
choosing whether or not I want to send in. Yeah, I'm the only
one I've got to touch card. But but there might be something to it,
right, because it's the thing about a lot of this stuff is being
first to market. So if I pull a pack of you know, let's
just say the latest wimby the Panini Select, and I pull a pretty rare
parallel, and I want to get that off to PSA as soon as possible,
and I want to get it on the market as soon as possible.
And you know, it might be a good source in that in that kind
of concept. And that's actually one of the scenarios where somebody hitting hitting the
lottery card, right. But you know, for some people, the lottery
card is a five hundred dollars card, you know, So for some people,
victory your your point is going to be one hundred percent accurate, But
for them it's just at a different scale on the financial right, So you
may have people for a five hundred dollars card that want to grade it as
quick as possible and for sale as quick as possible, and they want to
cash in their five hundred bucks because they just bought a twenty five dollars blaster
box, right right, right, So I think your I think your thought
process is dead on there and Rex piggybacks onto that. Speed to market is
one benefit of modern cards. Reduce shipping and handling time is beneficial for all
buyers. Yeah, that's another good one. Also, anybody who's ever bought
or sold online the shipping time, I don't care what you say is annoying.
None of us like it, none of us like doing it, none
of us like sending them out. So what a transaction? What a transaction?
Through this vault protects you from bogus returns when a player value crashes.
Well, there's no no returns once the deal is done. Yeah, at
that point I think, I think since you never touched the card and you
bought it as described and it has to go through authentication, I think that
would be a done deal by and now will be an option. P.
S A said a few months away. Well, there we go. Then
then at that point I'll be straight to eb vault. Chad asked a great
question here, do you guys buy raw cards on eBay? Do we buy?
Do you guys buys a lot of raw cards? Would you if it
had a money back guarantee? I do buy some raw and I would definitely
buy more with a money back guarantee to some degree, but to me,
it's about the card. It's not you know, I usually know what I'm
looking for buying real high end stuff for my PCs. I collect U Sport
Athletes. Brian Jordan is not a real expensive card, and not a lot
of fix out there. Yeah, I buy a lot of raw just because
of the vertical that I'm in. You know, I'm a NASCAR guy,
so there's not I mean, there are a lot of NASCAR graded cards out
there, but the ones I want are not graded, so I have to
go ahead and get mine graded. So I do buy a lot of raw.
I do too. I buy a lot of raw, and I usually
like to create, like you know, lots with a dealer at a card
show. It's where I buy the most of my broad cards is at card
shows, and I'll put together a little package deal and try to negotiate it
that way, and then from there, you know, I can decide what
I want to do with the card, whether p se it, whether listed
on eBay, or if it's good enough or worthy enough, send it to
get graded. What percent do you think you get graded? Victor ten percent?
I would say probably somewhere in there. Yeah, not much, because
yeah, some of it is low end, it's not worth it, but
some of it, you know, once you get it under a light in
a dark room, and you start seeing flaws pretty quick. Yeah. I
always say that people who buy the best also sell the best, usually because
you're looking for the same things both directions. All right, guys, any
other thoughts on this? Yeah, logan you're ready to become a Golden Auction
Hall of Famer or any about the enemy? Now, how does that work?
I don't think they have a Hall of Famer for auctions yet, so
it's a one man hall. He made it himself, Yeah he did,
all right. Well, I always got to ask, what are you guys
doing hobby wise this weekend? And I know you already showed us one of
your cards. I don't need new pickups any hobby activity. Uh well,
you know I've had a few pickups. I mean, uh, you guys
know me. I like to do my sophomoric slabs on eBay. So I've
kind of gotten into this deal where I'm looking for for players with unibrows,
like uh like Rick, like Rick like Rick Hampton. Here and I got
another one, and I remember this guy, and I cannot. I'll probably
butcher. His last name is tom Phoebus. I believe how he pronounced his
last night Phoebus, tom Phoebus, Phoebus. You gotta get the kid,
And I was thinking, I was thinking like Caveman or something at that point,
But yeah, I kind of logan, you got to get Anthony Davis
uh Center for the Lakers, his rookie cards and twenty twelve I believe.
But he has the biggest unibrow on the face of the planet historically. You
gotta check them out. How far you could get a unibrow card. One
day, I'm thinking about creating a unibrow showcase on PSA. That's hilarious.
Victor, you're getting into any hobby trouble this weekend. You know, I'm
pretty busy at home this weekend. I have been working tirelessly on a video
for the Ultimate Rookie Card guideline for Anthony Edwards. I've had a lot of
demand for that video. I'm putting it together and I am. I wanted
it to have it done this weekend, and it's not gonna get done this
weekend. It's gonna take me another week to get that video up. So
I'll be working on that video, but also making just I'm gonna make a
short video just for tomorrow, just to keep consistency with my channel, so
I'll be content creating. There you go, all right, and Logan,
we're gonna find you camped outside of game stops all over. I'm there.
Man's right. It's right next to a subshop. So man, it's perfect
for me ap on his wall somewhere. I want a hashtag America. It's
right nowice to a sub shop. So I'm good. How about you,
Danny, what are you doing, hobby budd Well, that's a great question.
I'm actually organizing. I am behind in organizing my fifty seven commons.
I know this is very exciting, but I'm gonna I have my fifty seven
binder. I actually keep my fifty seven set in all right. I've got
a pile of commons and various other stuff to get caught up on. And
uh, speaking of today's conversation, working on a PSA submission. So that's
my hobby goals. We'll see if they get done. Like you said,
Victor, I'm also at home and have an answer to higher authorities all throughout
this house, so I have three children and I get the fifth vote in
the house. It's unbelievable. All right, guys, well, i'd like
to say to the chat room, thank you, Logan, Victor. You
guys my day very easy. I appreciate you as always. This was episode
three oh one. Every Saturday on bench Clear Media, you will catch us
at eleven am Eastern with rotating guests, typically rotating, sometimes rotating early,
sometimes rotating last minute, but they are always rotating. We will have some
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Sports. Brody's coming back. So see some fresh faces back, and I
think that'll be good for all of us. Agreed, agreed, agreed,
agree. All right, on that note, we'll take a thanks, I'm
ahalo and catch you next week. See you later. And there's the perfect albatro.