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We've all heard the story of the
Templar Knights, the knights who protected Jerusalem

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and the Holy Grail, the Cup
of Christ that is featured in Indiana,

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Jones and a number of other movies. Today we're speaking with a freemason,

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a high level freemason, who has
written a book on the Grail, the

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Templar Knights, and the various ceremonies
associated with the Grail. This is not

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only a look at the knights themselves. This is a look at the secrecy,

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how they built temples and cathedrals,
and the sacred energies that they use

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to anoint each of these dwellings.
All this and more today on Earth Ancients

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or Saturday, November eleventh, twenty
twenty three. This is Earth Ancients.

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I'm your host, Cliff Dunning.
My god, it's November. What happened

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to twenty twenty three? You guys
feeling the same way? I feel like

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I woke up and half the year
has been gone and it continues to trickle

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away to the end. We're coming
to the holidays. Oh boy. It

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must be just the actions of of
life, moving, working, communicating,

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hanging out with others. It adds
up and our time goes along with it.

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So I hope you're doing well.
I hope you're okay. Today we're

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talking about the Templar Knights today.
My guest is John Michael Greer, who

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is a prolific writer and a few
years ago he wrote a book called The

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Ceremony of the Grail, Ancient Mysteries, Gnostic Heresies, and the Last Rituals

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of Freemasonry. This was a fun
interview and it's part of actually a two

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part interview that we're breaking up in
weeks. There's another program that we're going

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to have them and the program has
to do with temple technology, something that

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I'm fascinated in, and a book
he wrote almost six years ago called The

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Secret of the Temple, and we'll
talk a little bit about that in the

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program to day. But the Templar
Knights are not just crusading knights. A

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lot of them were educated individuals,
you might even call them scholars, priests

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who could read Latin, who could
read other languages. And our program today

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covers a sense of their secrecy you
might want to call it, because they

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discovered when they were in Jerusalem,
when they settled and became the defenders of

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Jerusalem during the Crusades that they found
not only perhaps the Grail, and we

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still don't know if they actually found
it or not. We'll talk about that

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today. But what they did find
was documents evidence of the previous epoch,

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because you know, Jerusalem sits on
earlier temples, the Temple of Solomon,

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which we'll talk about today, and
other smaller structures that housed unknown tech.

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And what when I say about when
I talk about unknown tech, I'm talking

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about the discoveries made by John Burke, which is pyramids, landforms, buildings

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sitting on geomagnetic energy fields. And
these are what modern scholars consider lay lines.

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You don't hear a great deal about
lay lines from the Orthodoxy because they

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don't they don't really have a way
to explain it. And what's coming out

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and this is something that I have
discovered in my own writing, is the

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fact that a lot of this previous
epoch is hidden in the temples that we

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do recognize. Now, now,
what does that mean. That means that

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following the Great Destruction, the catastrophic
event that wiped out eighty percent of humanity

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approximately nine five hundred BC, what
was left were these temples and pyramids and

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other buildings that the next generation the
survivors would reuse. And we know this

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today with the Maya, with the
Egyptians, with the Chinese, with most

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what we consider older civilizations reusing refitting
buildings. This is all fairly new stuff.

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In fact, I am using terminology
that's been around, including adaptive reuse

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of buildings or repurposing of buildings.
And I'm firm in my understanding that this

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is the big mistake that Egyptologists and
archaeologists are making today in not looking closer,

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in not using ground penetrary radar and
excavating beyond a certain point. And

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I have mentioned this many many times
whenever we go to Egypt. We go

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every year, it is sad to
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department, is hesitant in using ground
pennetraining, radar, scanning technology, even

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satellite technology to pierce their buildings,
pyramids, temples, whatever to learn more

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about them. And we don't need
to go into that now, because we've

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been talking about that all year and
the latest discovery of the Kufu Pyramid being

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pierced in twenty two, new rooms
being found, canals, channels, and

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architecture that supports some kind of mechanism. It all conclude when we have Chris

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done on the program this coming January
January twenty twenty four. But today's program

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introduces the templars as technologists number one, and also the keepers of sacred knowledge,

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knowledge that is not for everyone,
knowledge that they may not be understood

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because remember, they are existing during
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when mankind is at its lowest point. If we look at it from the

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Yugas, it's the lowest point of
Duapara or Cali Yuga, when mankind is

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that it's worst, and there's also
plagues and disease and just not a great

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time to be a human being.
And they are the keepers of this knowledge,

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and they are the ones who are
building cathedrals. And this is what's

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fascinating about the templars is that these
scholars incorporated this temple technology into a number

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of cathedrals that are known in Paris, France and other places. I think

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there's a couple in England that have
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Again, we're going to talk about
this in detail in a couple of

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weeks in the Secret of the Temple, and we'll know more about how this

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technology works. But this is important
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evidence of their civilization in the temples, pyramids, and buildings, then we

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need to figure out where they begin
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adaptive reuse is indicated. And I
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continues. Remember I've always said that
some mit kids going to come around and

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create a scanning device where we can
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other thing that's fascinating is if you
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how they perceive reality. They believe
everything is alive, and the mentors and

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the elders who I've spoken to over
the years always said that the buildings have

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life, the buildings can speak to
you. How they are able to imbue

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information in buildings like codes, like
data is anyone's guests. But we are

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learning this. A lot of granite
has crystalline structure in it, and remember,

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crystal can hold data. This is
what we're using today in our computers

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is crystal technology in the form of
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So we're gonna learn shortly that the
templars were eradicated and they morphed into

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freemasonry. And we're gonna hear from
our guests today talking about freemasonry and some

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of the secrets that are unique to
that discipline. I have a short audio

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here from a video on just who
the Templar Knights were. This is about

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four minutes give you an overview prelude
to our interview today. So let's have

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a quick listen. The First Crusade
was one of the most sensational victories of

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the medieval era. Christian knights from
Western Europe secured control of the Holy Land,

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including the sacred City of Jerusalem,
but despite this triumph, travel through

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the Holy Land remained dangerous. After
the Crusade, the bulk of the army

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returned to Europe full care of Shartra, a priest who decided to remain in

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the new Kingdom. Records that only
three hundred knights and three hundred foot soldiers

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made up the standing forces of Jerusalem
in the year eleven hundred. Christian pilgrims

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arriving by ship faced grave danger as
they traveled to Jerusalem via roads infested with

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robbers and Bedouin raiders. It was
during these perilous early days, a Hue

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of Payenne, a French knight,
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Hugh felt called by Christ to act
as a protector to travelers. Hugh

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joined with another pious knight, Godfrey
of Saint Omer. Hugh and Godfrey gathered

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together a small band of knights and
committed themselves to protecting pilgrims day in and

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day out. They braved the dangerous
roads of Palestine, guarding travelers on their

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way to pray at the Holy Sepulcher
of Christ. Hugh's brotherhood attracted the attention

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of the King of Jerusalem, Baldwin
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Baldwin formally endorsed Hugh's mission, granting
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Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem. The
Templars gained an even more prestigious patron when

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they received the endorsement of Saint Bernard
of Clervaux. Go Forth confidently, then

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units wrote Bernard and repel the foes
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heart. Bernard's endorsement caused the fame
of the Templars to spread their mission,

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inspired kings and nobles across Christendom,
and donations poured in. Before long,

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Templar houses were found all across Western
Europe. Armored templars, clad in white

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tunics emblazoned with a red cross,
became important members of the military establishments in

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Spain and in the Crusader States.
Their mission in the Kingdom of Jerusalem expanded

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dramatically as they were granted strategic castles
and territories to safeguard for The Templars had

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developed an iron discipline that made them
the finest army of their era. The

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Templars lived like monks, praying and
working according to a strict routine, but

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in addition they included rigorous military training
and organization. Over the course of the

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Crusades, the Templars were frequently on
the front lines. They were with King

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Baldwin the Lepper in eleven seventy seven
when he crushed Saladin at Mont Gassard.

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They were at the Horns of Haitien
in eleven eighty seven, when Saladin defeated

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a Crusader army. They were with
Richard the Lionheart in eleven ninety one when

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he smashed Saladin's troops at Arsuf.
They were at Las Novs Detlosa in twelve

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twelve, when the Kings of Spain
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expanded, the templars developed a sophisticated
financial operation to help pilgrims. The financial

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competence of the templars prompted many kings
and lords to request their services as money

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managers. One such king was Philip
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early fourteenth century borrowed liberally from the
templars. Loathe to repay what he owed,

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the king concocted a series of false
charges against the templars, accusing them

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of heresy, sexual impropriety, and
witchcraft. Historians today are in wide agreement

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that Philip's charges were fraudulent. Philip's
agents arrested the French templars, some of

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whom confessed to the charges while being
brutally tortured. But among those who would

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not confess was Jacques of Malai,
the templar grand master. King Philip had

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Jacques and other templars earned at the
stake from the flames. The last grand

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master called God's vengeance down upon the
French king. Because of the power of

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the French monarchy, at the time, Philip was able to pressure Pope Clement

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the Fifth into dismantling the Templar order
in thirteen twelve. Even in Philip's own

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kingdom, most people were horrified by
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Still widely regarded as heroes of the
Crusades, many saw God's justice in

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Philip's agonizing death after a hunting accident
in thirteen fourteen. Today, a plethora

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of sensationalist legends have developed around the
Templars. Some believe they were magicians or

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heretics, while others believe they became
freemasons. Although such ideas have been liberally

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employed by novelists and filmmakers, as
well as conspiracy theorists, none of it

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is supported by the historical record.
The reality is that the Templars were an

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order of brother knights dedicated to Jesus
Christ, the Church, and the cause

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of the Crusades. To learn more
about the Templars, start with the following

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two books, The New Knighthood by
Malcolm Barber and The Knights Templar, a

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New History by Helen Nicholson. I
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Knights developed banking system that the different
kings used. That one king didn't like

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what they were doing and so he
went after him. That's fascinating. We're

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going to learn more about this banking
finance ability that these Templar Knights developed and

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how it's kind of been is being
used today too, So something to consider.

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So today's program is the Ceremony of
the Grail, and my guest is

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John Michael Greer. We have John
Michael Greer back with us. We had

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him about a year ago. He
has recently released a new book called The

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Ceremony of the Grail, Ancient Mysteries, Gnostic Heresies and the Lost Rituals of

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Freeman masony. I gotta say I
have read most of it and it is

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spellbinding. It is dealing with the
human condition, mythology. There's so many

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themes in this book and it is
a fun read. If you don't know

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who John Michael Greer is, he
is a respected writer. He has written

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over seventy books, countless papers on
Freemasonry, many many other subjects. He

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is an initiate in the Druik,
Hermitic and Masonic lineages, and he is

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all over the place. I'll tell
you he's a great read. He's amazing,

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and this new book is just something
we got to talk about. So

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hey, John, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you, well,

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thank you for having me on.
It's always a pleasure. The background of

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the Grail seems to be fairly straightforward, but it's really not the Grail.

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The Holy Grail is the cup that
Christ had at the Last Supper. We

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see evidence of it. We see
bits and pieces of it in various movies.

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Indiana Jones shows it. It's it's
kind of a myth, isn't it.

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John, talk a little bit about
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no, no no. Let's start
with that word myth. People use

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it in some very silly ways.
I mean, people say myth to mean

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a story that's not true, okay, and that thus they myth all of

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the power and all the potential within
actual mythologies. The original Greek word muthloss

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simply means the narrative story, and
it came to mean these stories, the

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important stories, the ones that tell
crucial things about the human condition. It

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was Celestius, who was a Roman
philosopher many years later, used to say

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that to myths are things that never
happened. But always are. And so

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when people talk about the Grails a
myth, well, they're saying, on

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the one hand, there probably wasn't
this cup, okay, and that's probably

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true. But at the same time, it's a myth. In the other

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sense, it's a story that has
an enormous amount to tell about the human

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condition. It's a story that has
been written and rewritten many times with many

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different agendas and peeling back through the
different layers of spin doctoring, and some

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of those who are pretty thick.
The further back you go, the weirder

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it gets. So when you start
with this idea, well, the Holy

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Grail, we all know it's the
cup the Christ used the Last Supper.

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We all saw Indiana Jones parading around
with a blah blah blah. Okay,

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First of all, if Hollywood has
dribbled all over it assumed that that what

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you're getting from Hollywood is nonsense.
I call this the Harry Potter principle.

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If you see somebody in Harry Potter
doing in a Harry Potter movie doing it,

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it's not real magic. Okay.
In the same way, if you

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see Indiana Jones doing something about it, it's not real archaeology, and it's

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not real mythology, it's not real
anything else other than a real moneymaker,

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exactly exactly. Talk real quickly about
the connection with the Knights Templar and the

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Grail. I mean, I find
it interesting. I find it in testing

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first of all, that here we
have an order of warrior monks founded to

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help defend the Kingdom of Jerusalem,
and all of a sudden, everywhere you

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look, they're associated with the Grail, the Grail hunt, the protection of

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the Grail. It's just it seems
to be blown out of proportion. Is

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that it's complicated, Like almost everything
having to do with the Grail, it's

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complicated. So we have we have
the original Knights Templar, we have them

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founded. You know, just what
was it eleven eighteen in Jerusalem, nine

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knights by you know, bound bound
together as a as a as a warrior

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and order of warrior monks. Think
of them as the Midwestern medieval equivalent of

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the Shaolin Monks, just carrying more
hardware. But that it was very much

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the same spirit. The idea that
you could combine that sort of mystical religious

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vocation with you know, getting out
there and clobbering people in a good cause.

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And so the Knight's Templar were active
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very small organization, and then something
happened, and nobody knows what, but

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all of a sudden, the head
of the order is back in Europe,

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piece being given an audience with a
poe piece being you know, for all

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kinds of all kinds of rich nobles
are flocking to support him and throw money

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into the into the banks, into
the coffers of the Knights Templar. Lots

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of people are joining. It's suddenly
a big deal. And you know,

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Bernard of Clairvaux, who is for
the you know, the the great theological

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intellectual of the age, writing a
book in praise of the new knighthood,

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basically a pr release for the Templars, and they're this big deal, and

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all, you know, over the
next few years, in a very short

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time, they become this huge international
presence. They have real estate all over

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Europe that they use to funnel money
to the Holy Land to support the defense

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of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. They
have thousands of knights, they have tens

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of thousands of ordinary foot soldiers and
other support staff. They are the strongest

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military force in the Western world,
and they're basically most of what keeps the

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Kingdom of Jerusalem from being steamrollered by
the Muslims as the crusades continue, and

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then of course Jerusalem falls, the
Saracens take it back, the Muslims take

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gradually take back the Holy Land despite
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And then we're in thirteen fourteen and
all of a sudden, bang the King

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of France proclaims them to be a
bunch of devil worshippers, and bang the

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Pope agrees with him, and they
are all of these attempts to shut down

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the order in all but two kingdoms
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because the entire the Intar nation of
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interdict and so could not the Pope's
official official rules didn't run there at that

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time, and Portugal, because Portugal
wouldn't have any of it. They simply

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created a new order called the Knights
of Christ. All the Templars in Portugal

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became Knights of Christ and they just
kept on doing templar stuff there. Yeah,

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so everyone else the order is abolished. Some of its members, especially

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in France, were executed, burnt
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lot of other places, they were
simply allowed to join to join other monastic

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orders. So they ended up getting
sent to the Benedictines or the Carthusians or

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what have you. And everyone's going, wow, what was that all about?

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And then over time you start getting
this notion because of course, because

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the King of France was yelling about
all this this satanic stuff, all this

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heresy, they worshiped this idol named
Bathomet, And over time the stuff starts

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taking on a life of its own, and people start saying, you know,

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there's a connection between the Grail between
you know, between between the Templars

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and these the legends of the Holy
Grail, and there's a template connection between

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these templars and all these other things, and it just sort of builds through

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the years. There are several groups
that claim to be to be descended from

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groups of templars who went underground.
There are some you know, there's this

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continuing templar presence, and the longer
it goes and the more it develops,

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the more these these connections to the
Grail legend and frankly to everything else,

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insight get brought up. Partly,
of course, that's the that's the rejected

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knowledge industry in today's world, where
anything, if you want, any piece

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of any piece of ideology, any
piece of his history that via that breaks

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with the conventional wisdom, is going
to find an audience. I mean that

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the Flat Earth Society is doing very
well these days. I understand just understandably.

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People then led to so often by
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the official authorities, by the conventionals, and they're willing to look at any

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alternative. But but so there's there's
a lot of smoke. There's a lot

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of smoke generated. There's a lot
of claims about the Knights Templar that probably

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aren't true. But are you suggesting, John, that there's a treminous amount

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of embellishing the whole idea that they
were were given orders to watch over the

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grail, to carry it with them
as they migrated throughout Europe, don't know,

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hmm, Okay, There's been an
enormous amount of embellishment. There's been

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an enormous amount of oral traditions taken
as absolute truth. There's been a lot

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of fabrication some of the new the
the Neo Templar orders organizations that claim to

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be descended from the Templars. Have
they They've been Oh, they played a

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little fast and loose with the with
the known facts, and sometimes in a

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very good cause, you know,
if nothing else, trying to sort of

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sort of cement their their role and
their reputation as these the bears of the

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Templars. But there's also some there
there if you actually go back and use

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the tools of the historian, and
you'll find out there is some definite there

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there. There are connections between the
important leading noble families in France that supported

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the Templars and were heavily involved in
the Crusades and supporting the Kingdom of Jerusalem

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and the first productions of the first
public known, publicly known versions of the

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Grail legend. The connections are there, and you know, you can see

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there are points of contact between the
Grail and some of the Gnostic traditions that

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got going in that same part of
France and in points further south during the

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same time the Grail legend got started, and there are points of contact between

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these Gnostic traditions and the Templars,
and it just you know, you have

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to. You have to. You
have to. You know, if you

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fan away all that excess smoke,
you're gonna find some fire under that.

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And so there is a connection.
I'm quite convinced, certainly. I think

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the evidence supports that the existence of
a connection. Did they have quote the

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grail unquote? Well, that depends
partly on what you think the grail is.

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Yeah, this is exciting because you
write that in the early period they

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thought it was a plate or a
pan of some kind, and then it

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evolves into a mug or a goblet. Has anyone ever even seen this item?

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Okay? You see this is this
is this is where you need to

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think like somebody in the Middle Ages. Okay, Now nowadays we all love

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to think literal terms the grail.
Okay, it's got to be a thing.

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It's got to be an object that
Indiana Jones can pick up and you'll

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make off with or something. Okay. In the Middle Ages, they were

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used to thinking in terms of symbolism. They were used to the idea that

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an image a thing might actually represent
something different. It might represent a tradition,

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it might represent a teaching, an
idea, a bloodline. Possibly in

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some cases or what have you.
But they weren't as literal minded. They

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actually had a little sophistication in their
in their capacity to think, which we've

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mostly lost nowadays. And so what
is the Grail? That is the question

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the grail night has to ask.
Okay, you're a grail Knight. You

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get in your armor or mount your
horse. You go galloping off into the

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waste land, and all kinds of
weird adventures happen to you. Finally get

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to the grail castle. You pound
on the gates, they open it,

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They bring you in. They you
know, they treat you like an honored

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guest. They sit you down at
the table for the feast, and through

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the room, in perfect silence,
comes this procession, carrying a mysterious object

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and a spear that drifts from blood, and a couple of candles fixed just

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to make things look impressive. And
at that moment you have to turn to

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the fisher kings sitting next to you
and say, what does this mean?

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What is the Grail? What is
this? You know, what is this

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exact? And if you ask that
the door then the door is open.

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Then you learn the sacred. If
you don't ask that question, the procession

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goes by and they take it,
you know, they give you a bed

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for that. You wake up the
next morning, the castle is deserted.

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There's just you and the horse,
and it's empty, and there's no sun

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that anyone's ever been there on a
hundred years? Is it? Are you

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kind of animated that that it's a
secret society hiding it? And it's like

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if you have to be a member
of the society, begin Well, that's

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you're kind of jumping to some conclusions
here, but that's one of the things

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that it can be. The important
thing is I think that in a very

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medieval sense, they're giving a broad
hint here. They're saying, Okay,

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these stories are this glorious procession.
Okay, this marvelous series of events.

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That's the that's the weird object and
the spear and the candlesticks marching past you.

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And if they march on pass,
you go wow, how neat?

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Then you wake up the next morning
and you're an empty castle. If you

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look at the story and say what
does this mean, then maybe the door

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opens and you can go further m
So it's it's very much like in Zen

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Buddhism. There's the drision of the
coon. They have these these specific riddles,

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these riddling questions, and the student
will be will be given a coon

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and they'll be set to meditate on
you know, what is the sound of

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one hand clapping or what have you? And they're they're often like that,

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they're very weird. And if you
can't answer the question, if you stay

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in your current mental state, you
have to rise to a higher level of

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mental functioning, and then it's all
perfectly clear in a certain sense. The

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Grail is one of the great coans
of the West. It's one of the

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it's one of the riddles, it's
one of the challenges that that call on

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us to rise to a higher level
of mental functioning. We're used to to

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get out of the rut of materialist
literalism and say, Okay, what do

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these things mean? What are they
trying to teach us? What do they

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communicate to us when we open ourselves
to their message. It's fascinating because the

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books dealing with ceremony, the Ceremony
of the Grail is the title, and

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it's almost like different cultures take up
a sacred vow to praise the Grail and

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to indoctrinate those who think about it. And pray to it. It's almost

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like it's a religion. It's amazing
what you find as a grail kind of

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momento. Once you set out on
that quest, you're going to find a

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lot of strange things. Yeah,
well, the religious thing is actually one

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of the most fascinating things about it. And here one of the key things

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that I kind of fold through the
entire course of this story is the career

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of Jesse Weston, who was one
of the first women to make it in

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the previously male nominated field of full
course, actually the way she actually digs

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up some of these bits and piece
she was she was an absolutely first rate

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scholar. Nobody talks about her now
because she was too closely associated with ve

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occult, she was too closely associated
with alternative spiritual traditions. And we can't

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have that, you know, we
all have to be nice boneheaded materialists,

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and now don't we. But Weston
and Western was a first rate scholar.

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Western she was. She was fluent
in Old French, old medieval French,

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she was fluent in medieval German.
She knew the Arthurian legends in many languages

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absolutely like the back of her hand, and so she was equipped to actually

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tackle the Grail legends, say what's
going on here? And she picked up

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on a suggestion that a couple of
other scholars had made her earlier, pointing

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that this whole business, you come
to the castle, you have to you,

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you go through this process, you
see the you know, the the

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procession go by, you ask the
question, and that's the moment where you

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become an initiate. This is an
initiation ritual. That was what she That

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was what had been suggested. She
picked up and said, Okay, if

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it's an initiation ritual, where does
it come from, what does it connect

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to? What might its sources have
been, how did it survive into the

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Middle Ages? What's going on here? And so much of her career went

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into really close analyzes of the oldest
versions of the Grail legend to try to

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trace them back to a source.
Where was there a ceremony? Was there

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this initiation ceremony? What was it
and where did it come from? And

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what was its history? And that
especially is the centerpiece of her last book,

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From Ritual to Romance, which talks
would lays out in quite a bit

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of detail, how the Grail ceremony, the original ceremony of the Grail got

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started, and what fed into it
and how it survived, and in at

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a couple of places in the book
she lets out lets the cat out of

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the bag in a big way.
She you know, just very briefly in

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passing mentions the astounding claim that the
Grail ceremony was still being practiced practiced in

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her time and she knew people who
were practicing it. Hmmm, so that

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it had actually survived into early twentieth
century Britain. Does she actually give up

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the group that is practicing these Grail
ceremonies? No, no, no,

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no, no, no no,
she doesn't name them, you have.

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So what I had to do to
try to track down who it was was

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to look into everyone she had connections
to. What were her what? You

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know, who did she know?
Who did she know? And how did

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she know them? You know?
What did what? What were her connections?

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How did she how did she link
into the various groups that were doing

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alternative spiritual practices in Britain during her
time? And I had I actually had

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an additional advantage here because before her
time, just actually not that long before

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she got started, there was another
version of the same Grail ceremony that she

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mentioned that shows up in a major
work in English literature, not usually recognized

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as such. But yes, we're
talking about The Well at the World's End

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by William Morris. Now, William
Morris. You mentioned William Morris. Nowadays

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people think of him as a as
a designer, as an architect, as

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a as a printer. I mean
he was. He was an artistic powerhouse.

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It's it's actually easier to list the
things he couldn't do well than to

402
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:57.800
list the things that he could.
He was the founder, or one of

403
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the core founders of the arts and
crafts movement in America. He played a

404
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huge role in awakening the idea of
doing something other than bright, shiny,

405
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mechanical, you know, industrial products
and let's get back to craftsmanship people.

406
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That was That was one of his
big things. But at the end of

407
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a long and busy life, when
his health was failing, he didn't have

408
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anything to do with his time.
He invented modern fantasy fiction. And no

409
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I'm not making that up. He
literally he's the guy who invented the idea

410
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of writing stories of magic and adventures
set in imaginary countries. Middle Earth would

411
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not have existed without William Morris.
And and all the rest of it.

412
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You know, the Game of Thrones
business and all that. If you know

413
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the genre, you you can see
William Morris's fingerprints all over it. So

414
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The Well at the World's End was
one of the very first of these long

415
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it's it was the longest work of
fantasy fiction until until Tolkien came along.

416
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And it's the story of this young
man's quest for the wells mysterious Well at

417
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the World's End. And if you
pay attention to it, if you happen

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to know what Jesse Weston wrote,
you realize they're talking about the same ceremony.

419
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They're talking about the same thing.
Morris laid it out in terms of

420
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:20.599
a fantasy adventure, Weston lighted out
in terms of the Grail legends and a

421
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ritual. But it's the same structure
in both. That was the key that

422
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:29.360
really blew things open for me,
because I knew who William Morris was connected

423
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:31.760
to, and I knew who Jesse
Weston was connected to, and I could

424
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.000
see that I could find a connecting
link by way of certain people connected to

425
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:43.119
Theosophical Society, especially GRS. Mead, who was a very significant figure in

426
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:49.159
Theosophy. In gnostic studies and in
the alternative spirituality seen generally in Britain in

427
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.599
the early twentieth century. I'm fairly
sure borring documentation, I can't prove it,

428
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.840
but I'm fairly sure that the people
who were doing this Grail ritual in

429
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:06.159
Jesse Western's time was the circle of
Theosophists senacultists surrounded grs Mead and they had

430
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:10.519
this ceremony. They got it by
way of by way of somebody connected to

431
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:15.480
William Morris who had who had a
text to the ritual. He he had.

432
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He scoured old bookstores and things all
over Europe, back when you can

433
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:27.960
easily find medieval manuscripts just sitting there
moldering away in bookshops. He he had

434
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.880
access to all kinds of things.
We don't know where he got it.

435
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.519
That's another thing that I had to
leave open. But so he got that,

436
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.760
he passed it on to some of
theists, his contact in the Theosophical

437
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.280
Society that got it to Mead.
Mead was running it for a while,

438
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.679
probably as the Inner Order, the
sort of private higher level order of his

439
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.599
Quest Society, which was a very
popular, very very active organization for for

440
00:38:52.719 --> 00:39:00.639
occultists and alternative spirituality times at that
time, would you say that the Yeah,

441
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:07.480
the mystery, the sacredness, the
secrets of the grail is what's fueling

442
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:13.599
these private, these hidden societies.
And I mean, well, it's that

443
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.760
depends on what you mean by that. Again, the grail, the grail

444
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.719
is not a thing. There are
you know, there are power, there

445
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:25.119
are spiritual realities in existence, and
we can symbolize them with the grail.

446
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:29.840
We can talk about them using the
symbolism of the grail. That's what they

447
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.760
were doing in the Middle Ages.
The grail was a symbol for certain teaching,

448
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.800
certain traditions, certain spiritual experiences.
It's an emblem, it's an emblem

449
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:45.679
of enlightenment and among other things.
And it was also you know, this

450
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the the centerpiece, the symbolic centerpiece
of this ritual. And so you had

451
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.519
this being passed on in various forms
in various groups down through the years,

452
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:59.719
and as a way to pass on
certain teachings, as a way to encourage

453
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:05.760
peopleeople to seek certain states of heightened
awareness. And that was the secret behind

454
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.079
the grail. That was the mystery
of the grail, that the grail is,

455
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:12.320
the grail is a potential that we
all have. With's something we can

456
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all experience if we're willing to work
at it, if we're willing to engage

457
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in that quest. So let me
just stop you there for a second.

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John, So you're suggesting that there
was a somewhat of an altered state of

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consciousness in the pursuit of this data
and through ceremony, through meditative practice.

460
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:39.800
This is what these initiatives would would
would proceed. Oh yeah, the thing

461
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:45.639
is als We entered in alter states
of consciousness all the time. Modern most

462
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.639
modern people are really stupid when it
comes to consciousness. We don't pay any

463
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.719
attention to it. We don't notice
that we drift in and out of various

464
00:40:52.719 --> 00:41:00.079
altered states all the time. Our
consciousness is a variable. We all know

465
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.840
those situations where we've just gone through
the day and literally can't remember a thing

466
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.199
we did that we were in a
lowered state of consciouness. We've all been

467
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:12.119
in other situations where everything is bright
and luminous and our intention is on it.

468
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.199
That's another that's the higher state of
consciousness. We've constantly moved through these

469
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.360
different states. The grail and the
and the spiritual disciplines and the other things

470
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.599
connected to it are, among other
things, ways to achieve certain higher states

471
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:29.960
of the consciousness that are harder to
get to than just the state of being

472
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:38.880
bright eyed and bushy tailed. And
the act of questing, by definition puts

473
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.199
you if you take it seriously,
it puts you in unaltered state, a

474
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.800
higher state of conscious that's because you're
paying attention. If you're on the quest,

475
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:52.079
you're looking for something. You're not
just blundering through life. Your eyes

476
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.320
are open, your ears are open, You're looking for traces of the things

477
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.239
you're the thing you're questing for,
so that that, in of itself that

478
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.920
wakes you up. But you can
go much further than that. Things can

479
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.840
get much more interesting. There are
many states of contradists far beyond that,

480
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.960
and that's another of the lessons of
the Grail. Of course fascinating. Now,

481
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:15.239
one of the themes that is carried
throughout the book is something you call

482
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:23.880
temple technology. And this is just
fascinating to me simply because you recognize a

483
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:32.480
understanding that these ancients had of natural
occurring geomagnetic energy, which is known to

484
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:37.639
us today as telluric energy. Talk
a little bit about this, okay,

485
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.639
discovery, because it is mind blowing. I love it. Okay, that

486
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:45.639
was something that actually here where you're
going to jump back to an earlier book

487
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:52.039
of mine, because many years ago
I noticed that time I was doing research

488
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.880
into legends involving the Temple of Supplement. I'm a Freemason, Okay, we

489
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.920
do stuff with the Temple of Solomon. It's one of our symbols. And

490
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.559
so I was doing some research and
noticing all of these claims that when the

491
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.039
temple was intact, this is what
they said, this is what the Tumblan

492
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.199
says. When the temple was intact
and the offerings were being made and everything,

493
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:17.639
it caused fertility and aggri in the
fields all over Palestine, all over

494
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.559
that area. And when the temple
was destroyed, as like a switch being

495
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.599
flipped off, barrenness, desolation.
Then they rebuilt the temple. The second

496
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.159
temple went up, and you know, fertility again, and then it was

497
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:35.440
destroyed again by the Romans gone,
and you know, the the Israelis have

498
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.000
been struggling to get back to a
fraction of its previous productiveness. Something.

499
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And I'm looking at going, Okay, I understand that this may just be

500
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symbolic, this may be one of
again one of these symbolic expressions. But

501
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:51.320
you know, there are other traditions
in other parts of the world that say,

502
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.320
the temples do this, let's hypothesize
there's actually something physical going on here,

503
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.239
and that led me down the rabbit
hole. Let me tell you,

504
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.400
because in fact, there's a lot
of this information. There are at least

505
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:10.199
two different kinds of temple technologies you
have. And this is where it gets

506
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:16.639
interesting because you can tell what you're
looking at if you look at the structures

507
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:22.559
involved. Okay, if you have
a pyramid, a stair step pyramid,

508
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.079
okay, and that doesn't matter.
Is it a Mayan period pyramid, Is

509
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:35.480
it a Babylonian pyramid? Yeah?
Is it? Is it a Chinese earth

510
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.679
altar which is made in the form
of a little stair step pyramid. If

511
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:44.599
it's one of these, you take
your grain there before before planting, and

512
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.280
you you place it there and you
make it do certain ceremonies, and you

513
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:52.239
take it away and the crops grow
better. And there's a fascinating book I'm

514
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.400
going to for I I am.
I'm going to blank out temporarily on the

515
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.119
name of the on the name of
the two authors, but the title is

516
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:04.239
See Knowledge Stone of plenty John.
Yeah, that's the one. Yeah,

517
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.280
I've written about him, and he's
amazing. He actually did studies. Yeah,

518
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.199
yeah, you see, he was. His book was one of my

519
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.039
crucial guide guides there because he was
he That book was one of the things

520
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.719
where I picked that up of that. Okay, so there is definitely something

521
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:23.119
physical going on here. But that's
one technology. That's one particular technology using

522
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:30.159
geomagnetic fields to do certain things with
the seed, with the seed grain to

523
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:36.280
make it grow better. Okay.
But then there's another technology, and this

524
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.920
is not This is not the stair
step technology. This is the enclosed space,

525
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:45.119
usually rectangular in shape. If you
know anything about the Temple of Solomon,

526
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.719
you know it was basically a long
rectangle with the Holy of Holies at

527
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.800
one end, and then then you
know this long space and then the front

528
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.119
door with the two pillars in front
of it. If you go to Egypt,

529
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.360
you find temples along the same lines. You go to India, you

530
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.559
find temples along the same lines.
To Japan, you've wind shinto shrines along

531
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:07.920
the same lines, all along in
this linear process, and it does different

532
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.920
things. It seems to do something
not to the state of corn, but

533
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:17.280
to the ground to the soil around
it. And my theory, which I

534
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.360
develop in my book The Secret of
the Temple, is that this was a

535
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:28.239
folk technology making use of naturally occurring
energies geomagnetism, very likely, very likely

536
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:32.599
something else. I've suspected that high
frequency microwaves may be involved. Those have

537
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:38.760
enormous effects on plant and insect life
which are not well understood but have been

538
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:44.599
looked into by some researchers. But
you have, basically, you're making a

539
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:50.039
resonating chamber out of stone or out
of certain specific kinds of wood. You're

540
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:54.079
making it according to specific geometries,
the sacred geometries that we all hear about

541
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:59.480
so much these days. You do
certain things in that involve filling the space

542
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:07.480
with volatile plant compounds that's called incense
in most traditions, Okay, and you

543
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:13.280
get increase increased crop fertility in the
area around it. That's the that's the

544
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.760
temple technology that I was looking to. It's different from the one that John

545
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:22.679
Burke discovered. They're they're mutually,
they're perfectly compatible. There are some areas

546
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.920
where there were both seemed to be
practiced in fact, but it's just that

547
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.519
there are these two different techniques that
have spread over much of the world,

548
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.480
and they seem to be extremely useful. They seem to work. Now,

549
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.760
my goal in the in the original
book The Secret of the Temple was simply

550
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:45.400
to put together the information that I
could find as much information as I could

551
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.119
find about the Temple technology, how
it might have worked, how it might

552
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:54.679
be possible to build buildings to become
resident chambers for these naturally occurring energies,

553
00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:00.280
and to benefit plant growth around that. I now, of all times we

554
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:08.360
need this, And so that was
and that ended up spilling over into the

555
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.880
Knights Templar and the Grail, because
it became very clear to me that one

556
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.599
of the things the Knights Templar found
out about when they were in the in

557
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.639
the Middle East, when they were
they were based on the site of the

558
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.440
Temple of Jerusalem, they seem to
have found out about the details of the

559
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:27.159
Temple technology, and they took it
back with them to Europe. Because right

560
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:35.880
after that you have radical changes in
church architecture. You have the templars themselves

561
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:42.880
making enormous amounts of money from their
agricultural holdings, more than you'd expect you

562
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.559
have. Then, after the templars
are broken up, and all of these

563
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.760
former templars are going to monasteries all
over the place. You have monasteries doing

564
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.039
rebuildings, and all of a sudden
they're prospering. Gosh, I wonder why.

565
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.199
So My thesis is that by way
of that, as well as there

566
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.239
was some import from Ireland, some
ideas that were saved in Ireland were brought

567
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:06.880
back across into Europe. From there, that the temple technology reached medieval Europe,

568
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.239
that many medieval churches were built according
to those traditions, and that that

569
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.280
was responsible for the very large population
you had in the Middle Ages. The

570
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:22.840
collapse of which the collapse of a
subsistence failure after the Reformation, was what

571
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.679
drove the great migrations to the Americas
and to Australasia. They had to go

572
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.159
someplace because there was no longer enough
food for them once the temple technology broke

573
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:38.719
down. We're going to take a
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574
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:45.000
identify themselves, and we will return
quickly with my guest today, John Michael

575
00:49:45.199 --> 00:50:28.360
Greer. We'll be right back.
My guest today is John Michael Greer,

576
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:34.559
a thirty second degree freemason who's written
a book on the Templar Knights called The

577
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:44.000
Ceremony of the Grail. Where do
you suspect this technology came from? Is

578
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:45.960
it? I mean, I am
of the belief, and I don't read

579
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.320
this in your work, John,
but of the belief that there was an

580
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:59.079
earlier epoch that actually was highly advanced
that may have left evidence of this technology

581
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:05.119
that was picked up after the Great
Cataclysm of Earth. Where do you suggest

582
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.599
that this is originating from? It's
it's a really good question. To some

583
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.119
extent, saying that, well,
it might have come from from an ancient

584
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:14.920
high civilization simply pushes it back,
well, where did they get it?

585
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:21.199
What I I've actually the idea of
ancient high civilizations is one that I am

586
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.800
I am going to be doing further
explorations on. I have been doing a

587
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:28.719
lot of study of that of late, not only looking at the most recent

588
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.119
one, the one that had that
seems to have collapsed right around the end

589
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:36.119
of the last Ice Age, when
sea levels rose three hundred feet in not

590
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.760
that many years, giving rise to
the legends of Atlantis and all the other

591
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:45.559
ground continents out there. But the
in occult tradition, it's said that we

592
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.119
are actually the fifth great you know, advanced civilization on this planet. There

593
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.920
were four be four hours, and
each of them were at long intervals,

594
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:58.559
right, okay. And you know, so in the occult traditions, they

595
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.280
you know, they give them this
the hype, the Polarian, the Hyperborean,

596
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:06.039
the Limoian, the Atlantean and in
ours, and you know, but

597
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.639
then there's there's a lot of nonsense
again, a lot of embroidery, a

598
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:12.559
lot of these smoke, the same
kind of smoke that we've seen with the

599
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.519
Grail. But if you actually go
back as far as you can to the

600
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:22.280
sources, you find accurate information that
nobody should have had in say the eighteen

601
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:27.320
seventies, when people are talking about
a drowned continent off southeast coast of Southeast

602
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.719
Asia, when nobody knew about sea
level change, yet it had no way

603
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:36.000
of knowing about what's now called sundaland
which the drowned subcontinent the size of India

604
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:42.360
located exactly where the olda cults is
say that Limoria was so, you know,

605
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.960
or the you know, the various
places flooded when these when the Atlantic

606
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:52.760
rose, that match the old accounts
of Atlantis with remarkable closeness, so we

607
00:52:52.840 --> 00:53:00.199
have we have this stuff. Since
we don't have enough information about glacier and

608
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:05.800
preglacial civilizations, it's really kind of
hard to say, Okay, did this

609
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.400
come from there? We know very
little about what technology may have existed then

610
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:15.159
at all. What I have been
I've been focusing on the information I can

611
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:21.719
get from from known archaeological sites,
right and in so far as that tells

612
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:24.440
us anything. There are at least
two places that could have come from.

613
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:30.280
One is ancient Egypt to very pre
dynastic and very early dynastic Egypt, they

614
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:35.440
seem to have had some sense of
this. The other one is northwestern Europe,

615
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.840
where the very early long barrows show
signs of having an early version of

616
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:45.119
the same technology. You mean the
long barrows that are like Stonehenge. Yeah,

617
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.280
yeah, yeah, exactly, Okay, exactly the yeah, the long

618
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.000
the long barrows which were used,
among other things, for burial. But

619
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.159
then the same is true of an
English of an English country church. Okay,

620
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.599
they they were religious sites, but
they also had certain aspects of their

621
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:02.440
construction that make it look as though
they might have been a sort of first

622
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.159
an early draft of the temple technology. Now it is a matter of a

623
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:12.320
cult tradition that both the northwestern Europe, the Celtic lands along the along the

624
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.559
Northwestern Fringe, and Egypt received something
from you know, we might as well

625
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.079
use the Old World Atlantis. So
your claim that it might have come from

626
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:29.159
the you know, the late Glacial
civilizations is certainly possible. But you know,

627
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.920
until somebody digs up, until we
get enough underwater archaeology to find some

628
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:39.239
ruins and actually get someone to pay
attention to them, I can't tell that

629
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:44.039
I don't have I don't It's pure
speculation, so what I do know.

630
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.039
What I do know is we've got
these We've got the long Barrows in Britain

631
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.960
and France and Ireland and a few
other parts of northwestern Europe, and we

632
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:59.960
are also western Spain and Portugal.
And then we also have the the early

633
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:06.199
Egyptian temples along the Nile Valley,
and were both of those influenced from some

634
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.559
older source. That's possible, but
I haven't seen the information yet. From

635
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:15.840
there, it spreads in various directions
across Eurasia. Some cultures pick it up,

636
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:21.400
some don't. China already had the
Welf code, Babylonia had its own

637
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.760
its own zigatt technology. I had, you know, John Burk's technology.

638
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:30.920
China had the zigarette technology, had
the John Burke the John Burke technology also,

639
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:35.639
but India picked up on the temple
technology. So you just you know,

640
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:39.039
different places grabbed onto different glommed onto
different things. Let me have you

641
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:44.639
for a minute, what is what
is the difference between Brook's technology and the

642
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:49.039
other technology in specifics? Now,
I mean we talk about telluric fields.

643
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:52.920
Are they both dealing with tolaric fields
or that? Probably yes, but they're

644
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:59.000
using them in different ways. Technology. You're basically getting a pear, a

645
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:04.199
cigarette, a a Meso American pyramid
and worth altar. You're getting a raised

646
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.480
stair stepped space. You put your
seed corn on top of it. It

647
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:12.440
gets zotted with the magnetic fields.
It undergoes certain kinds of stress, which

648
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.239
which makes it grow like gangbusters.
You then take it off and plant it.

649
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:22.159
Okay, that's Burk's technology. He's
done marvelous work explicating how it's done,

650
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:27.519
and you know, kudos to the
man. Then the temple technology that

651
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:31.000
I'm exploring does not use the sort
of pyramid structure. It uses an enclosed

652
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:37.480
space. It uses a temple and
a temple built to certain geometries and oriented

653
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:44.320
in certain ways and placed in certain
locations. There are some special rules for

654
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.280
how you get it. And it
seems to work not as a place to

655
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:52.840
put seed corn bet as a resonating
chamber from which something some influence, quite

656
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:59.880
possibly microwave based radiates outward over appear
over a distance of some miles to affect

657
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:07.440
vegetation growth over that space. And
so it's very likely to be geomagnetic in

658
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:09.199
its nature. But there may be
were going on there. We simply don't

659
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:15.280
know. And until adequate experiments are
done, until adequate testing is done,

660
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:19.599
until we can find out more about
the tradition. Generally, it's going to

661
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:24.360
be hypothetical as to just how it
works. It's amazing you. Oh,

662
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.159
it's it's it's fascinating stuff. Yeah, I got to get that book,

663
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.079
The Secrets of the Temple. It
sounds great. Uh and go does everyone

664
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:38.079
else? That's another that's another interview. You you suggest that the templars were

665
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:46.000
perhaps alchemists and maybe they were able
to capture this energy and turn uh,

666
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:52.840
rock into gold or whatever. Is
that a sound alchemy? Oh? There

667
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.960
there were? You want to open
a can of worms that's a fifty five

668
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:02.920
gallon drum of worms. So alchemy
was an actual I mean, I've ready,

669
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:09.199
isn't it. There they are alchemists
working now alchemy. No, no,

670
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.599
no, no, no, no, no, there you go.

671
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:17.159
Remember what I said about symbolism.
Okay. The alchemists wrote over and over

672
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:24.039
and over again, our gold is
not the common gold. Okay, the

673
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:29.719
templars wrote the alchemists, no,
later, later alchemists. Right, we

674
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:35.679
don't any Anything the Templars had that
was that was really secret, was oral

675
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.400
tradition. They didn't write it down, so we have only we have only

676
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.840
rumors. We do know with reference
to the temple technology that one of the

677
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:50.880
things that Baffo met there, that
this idol bafament was supposed to do was

678
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:57.079
make the plants grow. But but
again it's just a rumor. It was

679
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.880
a later alchemists who are constantly going, our gold is not the common gold.

680
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:07.800
What we are talking about is something
different, and exactly what it was

681
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:13.519
they tend to be exceedingly evasive about. And that's that's the thing you had

682
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:15.719
to learn in person from an alchemist. That's the thing you had to apprentice

683
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.280
yourself to an alchemist and then you
would you would find out the thing they

684
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.559
would they would reveal to is the
nature of the prima materia, the starting

685
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:30.599
point, what you're actually working with. And to add to the complexity,

686
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.719
there's a good reason to think that
there's more than one possible premamatia that there

687
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:39.199
are, that what we call alchemy
is actually a whole family of different inner

688
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:43.760
sciences, some of which deal,
as young thought with psychology, some of

689
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.840
which deal with spirituality, some which
deal with various other kind aspects of the

690
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:52.440
world of human experience. Were the
templars involved in it, That's quite possible.

691
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:54.760
One of the one of the traditions
that I inherited from my teacher,

692
00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:01.320
John Gilbert, claims to be a
system of basically psychological alchemy, psychological and

693
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.440
emotional alchemy. The claims that is
sent from the Night's temple. I have

694
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.559
no idea if it's true or not, but that's the traditional claim. What's

695
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:15.079
emotional alchemy? Emotional alchemy? Okay, most it's very simple. Most of

696
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:20.639
us are burdened with an enormous amount
of old, unresolved feelings, especially from

697
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:25.320
our childhood's Okay, this is the
stuff that psychologists us to pay the rent.

698
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:30.639
Okay, we all have these emotional
burdens. There are ways to unpack

699
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:36.920
the emotions, to free them up, to clear them out, some relatively

700
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.960
simple exercises that will allow you to
do that and to turn the lead of

701
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:46.400
old misery into the gold of present
and future happiness. Okay, that's emotional

702
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:50.840
alchemy. The Order of Spiritual Alchemy
is the name of the organization, and

703
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:53.840
it is it is well, it's
back in existence. It was. It

704
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:58.719
was dormant for a while, but
I relaunched it and handed it off to

705
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:01.760
a set of people who working with
it, and most of in the opening,

706
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:07.360
the introductory level is chiefingly free for
the downloading. But yeah, do

707
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.440
you see. But you can do
alchemy on anything. M hm. You

708
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:14.840
can do Ultimately, the ultimate secret
of the alchemist seems to be that you

709
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.519
can take anything in human experience and
say, Okay, how can I prevent

710
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.679
this? How can I take this
in its current form and put it through

711
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:29.199
an alchemical process and transform its leaden
aspects into its golden aspects. You can

712
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:30.599
do that with art. You can
do that with human mind. You can

713
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:35.599
do that with with groups and societies. You can do it with entire civilizations.

714
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.039
You can do it with the human
spirit. All of those are different

715
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.800
kinds of alchemy. Can you do
it with metal? Can you do it

716
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.920
with metal? Nobody seems to agree
on that point. I have not seen

717
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:52.199
it done. I'm just going to
ask you if you've seen examples of lead

718
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.760
turned gold metallity. No, I've
never seen. I've never seen a successful

719
01:01:54.800 --> 01:02:00.679
example of metallic alchemy. I've seen
some amazing results from remote in alchemy.

720
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:05.599
I've seen some impressive results from spiritual
alchemy spajeris, which is the art of

721
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:12.280
making heat and making herbal medicines alchemically. I've seen some amazing things come out

722
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.920
of that. But I have never
actually seen somebody turn turn a lump of

723
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:22.000
lead into gold. Hm? Uh
is your belief that the h the Templars

724
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:28.920
uh? You know, we're using
this not only to fill their coffers with

725
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.800
with the would you believe gold?
Is that? What do you think their

726
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:37.880
wealth was coming from? Or was
it the agricultural uh uh en handsome okay

727
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.440
that they could sell? There were
there were several things that made the Templars

728
01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:44.559
very rich. On the one hand, they had they seemed to have had

729
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:49.159
the temple technology. They built little
chapels and churches in each of their landholdings.

730
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:51.840
In Gosh, they had bumper crops. That was, of course,

731
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.440
a major source of wealth at a
time when farm produce was the foundation of

732
01:02:55.480 --> 01:03:01.440
the economy. They also invented modern
banking. Every time you write a check,

733
01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:07.239
you're doing something the Templars invented.
And so they figured out how to

734
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.119
do things. You know, they
most of what modern banks do the Templars

735
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:13.800
invent. They needed to get money. I mean, okay, you have

736
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:19.480
the money you sold a whole munch
of grain in oh, let's say Nottingham

737
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:23.679
in England. Okay, that money
has to get to your castle's in the

738
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:27.840
Holy Land, right. How are
you going to do that? If you

739
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:30.320
loaded on a ship, every pirate
in the in Mediterranean is going to make

740
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:34.639
a bee line for you. So
they literally had to invent the idea of

741
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.760
deposit of you know, banking deposits
and check transfers and things like that to

742
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:43.119
get the well safely from place to
place. So they were guaranteurs of wealth

743
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:46.400
and use paper may as yeah,
exactly, and as soon as everyone as

744
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:51.119
soon as other people figure out,
wow, this works, they got in

745
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.440
touch with the Templars and everyone from
King's two commoners would would you know,

746
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.840
say, okay, I need to
get some money at point A, I'm

747
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.480
going to donate this gold to you, and I need to check, you

748
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.079
know, cut over over in you
know, in Birmingham or what have you.

749
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:09.639
And so since the templars took took
him my fee, you know,

750
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.920
we're processing fees go a long way
back. The templars took a little fee

751
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.679
for that. They made out like
bandits. So that was another way they

752
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:25.360
turned lead into gold. They we
don't know what all they were involved in,

753
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.320
but those two certainly turned out a
lot of cash. You know.

754
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:33.559
It's sad that they were persecuted to
the end, you know. And you

755
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:39.639
have to wonder if the Catholic Church
just got tired of their wealth building and

756
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:45.760
their notoriety and were probably just felt
threatened, right well, certainly, certainly

757
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.360
the king of France did. Philip
the fourth, he wanted their money.

758
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:54.440
He wanted it so bad. He
was he was he was not good at

759
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:57.440
saving money. He wanted to spend
more money than he had. And so

760
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.639
all that gold sitting in the templar
in the verse time strong Rooms was had

761
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:05.800
a magnetic attraction on him. But
the problem, the other problem was that

762
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:11.239
the Church had been having, of
course, major problems down through the years

763
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.440
with people who didn't want to believe
whatever Rome told them to believe. We

764
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:20.039
use the term heresy for that.
And it became increasingly clear that when the

765
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:24.880
templars were in the Holy Land,
they picked up some old Gnostic beliefs,

766
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:30.280
so they were not good Catholics anymore. So of course that had Rome out

767
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.360
to cut their throats because we you
know, the you know, for for

768
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:38.360
good or ill, the Catholics,
you know then that that's don't generally believe

769
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.079
that you have to believe what the
Pope tells you to believe, or else

770
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:45.960
you fry in hell for all eternity. And well that's you know, it's

771
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:50.159
the people have believed sillilar things.
People believe politicians, for Heaven's sakes.

772
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:57.119
But but so, you know,
so the so the Catholic Church was freaking

773
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.719
out about about he you know,
heresy within these supposed unders of the faith,

774
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:05.679
and the French King wanted the money
and wanted it bad. And between

775
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:12.519
those two, of course, when
you know, as the song says,

776
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.679
when you know, when when church
and state sit down together, it's a

777
01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:20.800
good question, which one needs longer
spoon. Yeah, they got wiped out.

778
01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:26.199
Oh yeah, Well the thing is
a lot in France especially, a

779
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:28.519
lot of them did get burned at
the steak. In most other parts of

780
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:31.559
Europe they didn't. They went,
they were the templars were shut down and

781
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:34.559
their properties were seized, and a
lot of kings went. I got the

782
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:40.960
gold. But the individual templars were
allowed to join other monasteries and took some

783
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:44.159
things with them, took some ideas
and teachings with them. And that's where

784
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.480
we get again, the various monasteries
suddenly showing up with the temple tradition,

785
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:53.599
especially in England. Glastonbury Glastonbury Abbey
was a major center of this stuff,

786
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.880
also a major center of the Arthurian
legends. Bringing us right back around to

787
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:04.320
or we started right You show strange
parallels with other countries. You mentioned Japan,

788
01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:14.159
and it's quite interesting how these the
parallels focus. You mentioned some of

789
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:18.119
the megalithic periods of the Kufon period, and so for talk a little bit

790
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:23.920
about that. That's fascinating. Okay. One of the oddest things in that

791
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:29.079
that I know of in the study
of folklore is the parallels between Britain and

792
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:34.159
Japan. Okay, both of them
have various, you know, similar traditions

793
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:40.599
around burial mountains. Both of them
have these ancient standing stones. If you

794
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:43.679
get into the legends, you get
deep into folklore. In legends, you

795
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:48.840
find these amazing similarities. They look
actually look like a hybrid between the round

796
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:55.400
barrel and the long barrow. But
the thing that's really fascinating is that the

797
01:07:55.440 --> 01:08:00.599
Kofoan period in Japanese history was much
later than the period than the corresponding period

798
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:06.039
in the British Isles. The round
barrows were basically a done deal by around

799
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:10.119
the year one thousand, actually before
the year ten thousand, one thousand,

800
01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:14.159
come on, don't drop, don't
drop in a zero there one thousand BC,

801
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:20.039
Whereas in Japan the Kofun period,
God didn't get going until well after

802
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:24.600
the beginning of the Common Era,
So like like you know, five six

803
01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:30.720
hundred a d. And yet you
have these these profound similarities. Nobody knows

804
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:34.800
why you have. I mean that
if you really get into Japanese legend,

805
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.359
which which takes them doing. Unless
you speak the language, of course I

806
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.319
don't, but I grew up with
a certain amount of it. Having having

807
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:47.760
Japanese step family. Just there's a
lot of similar echoes there are there.

808
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:50.800
You know, you have merled In
in the one you have and no Guilgah

809
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:56.000
in the other. You have various
there there are. There's a Robin Hood

810
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:59.119
figure in Japan, and so on
and so forth. Wherever you go,

811
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.359
you find the same patterns of legends
to a much greater extent than you find

812
01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:11.239
anywhere in between. And so one
of the things that has been suggested,

813
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:16.520
there's a tempsy for the fringes of
any geographical region to hold on to really

814
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:23.239
ancient things when the core has gone
on to new things, and for this

815
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:27.680
gonna be fringes in almost any sense. In America, for example, all

816
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:31.520
through the twentieth century, people used
to go to the Appalachians and they'd collect

817
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:36.880
songs, and they'd find songs that
had been brought there in the Elizabethan period

818
01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:41.640
and still being sung when they've been
forgotten in England and forgotten in the rest

819
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:46.000
of the English speaking world. In
the same way, Japan and Britain are

820
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:50.279
kind of at the far ends of
the ancient world, and so it's possible

821
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:58.159
that some exceedingly ancient things were preserved
in both places fascinating. The books called

822
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:03.640
The Ceremony of the Great Ancient Mysteries, Gnostic Heresies, and the Lost Rituals

823
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:10.439
of Freemancy Freemasonry. My guess has
been John Michael griered, what would you

824
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:14.239
say? I mean, we have
there's so many narratives in this book.

825
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:19.720
What what what's the takeaway you'd like
to have the reader have in this book?

826
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:26.039
Mostly I'd like them to get pat
to the takeaways, to get past

827
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:30.399
the sort of canned Hollywood Indiana drones
version of the Holy Grail and realize that

828
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:35.520
there's there are, there are many
things behind that symbol. It goes far

829
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:41.399
back, it reaches into strange places. It's something worth looking into. That's

830
01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:44.319
a quest you can still follow it
today. That's the takeaway. I think.

831
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.159
I think that's great. Hey.
Uh one last question. You have

832
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:54.319
a kind of a theme also of
precision of the equinoxes, and one of

833
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:57.640
the things I wanted to ask you
is that it's funny how you write about

834
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:01.359
this. You say that we're always
hoping for the better period. You know,

835
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:06.319
if you look at Yugas, there's
cyclic time, and it gets there's

836
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:14.239
the golden period and then there's the
depressed, sad, intellectually poor period.

837
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:18.600
Uh well, we're kind of looking
at the next good period. But we

838
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:23.920
still got some problems, don't we. M hmm. If you follow the

839
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:27.239
if you follow the actual cycle of
the equinox, if you pay attention to

840
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:32.119
astrology, the age of Aquarius is
not going to be utopia. And in

841
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:36.720
the old traditions, Aquarius is ruled
by Saturn, and Saturn is tough,

842
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:44.880
So we have two whole processional periods
to go through, So three hundred and

843
01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:49.720
twenty years of under Saturn's rule to
go through before we start picking our way

844
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:55.199
back up to the to the Golden
Age. Which is fine. You know,

845
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:58.920
everyone needs everyone needs to learn their
lumps now and again. But the

846
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:00.880
problem is that somebody could get obsessed
with the idea that the Golden Age is

847
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.880
going to happen next Tuesday exactly,
and then they got all disappointed when it

848
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:10.199
doesn't. We those of us who
are watching all remember the absurdities around twenty

849
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:15.359
twelve. Oh boy, yeah,
the Mayan calendar you're right, yeah,

850
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.760
yeah, the whole Mayan calendar of
fan dango and the number of people who

851
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:25.119
ended up with egg all over their
faces when nothing much happened. Yeah,

852
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:27.880
exactly. Yeah, well, I
think the Maya themselves said, hey,

853
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.079
it's just the end of a calendar, another one starting up. What do

854
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.199
you guys doing? Exactly exactly.
The Mayans were clear about it. It's

855
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:38.920
just a lot of people nowadays are
not as smart as ancient minds. Exactly.

856
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:44.479
Fascinating, John, Always a pleasure
to speaking with you. I'm going

857
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.600
to have to have you back real
soon to talk about this other book.

858
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:53.760
And I can't believe it was written
in twenty sixteen, so it's been a

859
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:57.039
few years. It's been out there
for a little while. Yeah, Yeah,

860
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.279
very cool that you're studying and you're
and you're looking into the previous epoch,

861
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:05.800
because I think there's a lot there. One final question. I travel

862
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:11.600
on tour every year to Egypt and
one of the places we go to is

863
01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:18.600
the Hathor Temple at Dendera, and
there's a tremendous amount of confusion in terms

864
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:26.319
of its date. There's a growing
consensus that it's much much older than what

865
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:30.880
traditionalists believe, and I think they
say it's about three to four thousand years

866
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:35.279
old. It's itself quite a while
it is that is old, but there's

867
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:43.239
a growing consensus, and this is
among engineers and scientists, not egyptologists,

868
01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:50.760
that a lot of these temples,
pyramids, even the sculptural statues that are

869
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:57.840
aligned different places, are from an
earlier epoch. We're just reused by,

870
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:02.640
say SETI the second me Ramsey's a
second. What do you say to that

871
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.319
something like that. I don't know, Well, I don't I don't know

872
01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:10.680
enough to have to have an educated
opinion on the subject. I have read

873
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:15.359
about some of the really interesting discussions
of water erosion of the sphinx, yeah,

874
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:18.399
which makes it very clear that these
sphinks in at least some form existed

875
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:26.000
a long time ago. But beyond
that, I haven't had a chance to

876
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:29.359
look at the evidence. And I
but I think, I think, I

877
01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:32.039
think we should have an open mind. The tendency to try to flatten out

878
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:39.880
history, to to create the illusion
that it's all about us and everyone in

879
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:43.960
the past was just a bunch of
grunting, you know, cave men until

880
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:49.199
we came along. Basically, it's
stupid. It's just stupid. Human beings

881
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.199
in older periods of time were just
as smart as we were. They had

882
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:57.720
different ways of understanding the world.
But that doesn't mean their ways were wrong

883
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.600
just because they're different from ours.
Look at the that we're making of our

884
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.680
society in our time, and maybe
you start to wonder, maybe we're not

885
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:08.720
as smart as we think we are. And so you know, the thought

886
01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:12.960
that maybe some of these Egyptian temples
are in fact quite ancient. Maybe there

887
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:17.399
may be the Egyptian civilization goes back
longer than any than the official narratives are

888
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.159
willing to accept. I think it's
a question that should be looked into,

889
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:24.159
and it should be looked into by
people with open minds, not by people

890
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:28.880
who are trying to push one or
another agenda. Yeah. I have an

891
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:33.239
issue with Egyptology because they have a
hard stop at a certain date and then

892
01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:39.880
they just can't go any further because
history says you're a hunters and gathers after

893
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:45.359
this time. Archaeologists, the archaeologists
anthropologists have this bizarre knee jerk reaction to

894
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:50.920
that. In the archaeology of the
Americas, for example, there was this

895
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:58.000
obsession with the Clovis point okay,
and the insistence there couldn't have been anybody

896
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:00.079
before the people who made Clovis points. In fact, there were people here

897
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.640
for most of one hundred thousand years
before the Clubs point was embedded, and

898
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:09.720
it's very clear. But for the
longest time you could not say that in

899
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:13.840
the official journals, no matter how
good the evidence was, because by god,

900
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:18.399
it's nothing before Clubs. But that's
I think what happens to the people

901
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:25.800
panic. People get a sense of
the true vastness of history of human existence

902
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:30.279
on this planet, and it terrifies
them because it means that we're not Destiny's

903
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:32.560
special darlings. We're not you know, the be all and and all of

904
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:40.359
creation. We're just one more civilization. We're nothing special. And for people

905
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:45.239
who've been raised on the thought that
we are Destinies darlings, we are the

906
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:49.039
conquerors of nature, the you know, the overlords of the cosmos, that's

907
01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:53.760
that's terrifying to realize that we're just
another civilization, that we will rise and

908
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:58.319
fall like you know, as Roman
Egypt and Atlantis, and and you know,

909
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:02.079
that's just the way things are.
You can you can reduce people to

910
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:08.600
a state of gibbering terror by having
them grasped that, because it takes away

911
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:14.359
this pretense of being much more important
than we actually are. That's an interesting

912
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:18.439
thought Uh, you have to wonder
why, perhaps this is why our government

913
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:26.760
here in the United States is for
frevently against letting us know about UAPs,

914
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:30.319
because because if they did know,
you know, if they did give out

915
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:34.199
the details, they they knew that
perhaps even the civilization these places, these

916
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:39.880
ships are coming from, it would
freak people out. So well. Did

917
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:43.399
you notice though, that when they
started doing a limited hangout on the subject,

918
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:45.560
so many people said, Oh,
the government's saying it, thus they

919
01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:49.079
must be wrong. Oh, interesting, Oh it's oh, it's been it's

920
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:53.680
been funny to watch this is that. That's I should probably have one of

921
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:59.199
my other publishers drop you my book
on that subject too, because and it's

922
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:00.960
that that's been a topic of interest
to me since I was like ten.

923
01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:04.640
We had a brief talk about last
time, John, But yes we did.

924
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:08.199
Did you do Have you written a
book on the u A P.

925
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:12.560
Waiver? Is it more just the
general feeling of I've got I've got a

926
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.640
book, I've got a general history
of well I use the older term,

927
01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:20.520
of course, use the UFO phenomena
titled UFO Chronicles. And I am in

928
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:25.800
the process of arranging with the publisher
to do another book on that subject cool,

929
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:29.800
So yeah, so yeah, it'll
be fun. John is always a

930
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:34.159
great pleasure. Give us your contacts
or our listeners can read more about you.

931
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:40.680
You can find they can find my
blog at Ecosofia dot net e c

932
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:45.239
O so p h I A dot
net. My dream with journal is Ecosphia

933
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:49.760
dot dream dot org. And if
you go to bookshop dot org that's my

934
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:55.439
favorite online book venue. You can
find my books there quite readily, or

935
01:18:55.840 --> 01:19:00.560
you know whatever online or better still
full service brick and mortar books store you

936
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:03.680
happen to like they can't get all
my stuff. Fantastic, John Michael Greer

937
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:09.680
always a pleasure and I look forward
to speaking with you real soon. It

938
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:17.199
will be fun, Okay, thanks
John. As fun to read as Greer

939
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:23.479
is, he is definitely a scholar, and he has found a what I

940
01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:29.920
call a paper trail on what he
calls temple technology. And this is the

941
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:34.439
inner workings of these temples. And
you know, I'm going to have him

942
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:38.800
back for this other book that I'm
reading right now called The Secret of the

943
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:45.640
Temple. And this is where we
get an understanding of using tilleric fields tilleric

944
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:54.920
energy. This taps in with the
Mayan book by Carlos Berreros where he describes

945
01:19:55.399 --> 01:20:01.720
how his ancestors designed pair of beds
sit on top of telleric fields and to

946
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:10.000
intensify the energy, to draw it
up and distribute it. Now we don't

947
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:14.680
know how it's distributed. We don't
know if it's like the Wardencliffe Tower that

948
01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:19.800
I always talk about, and remember
that's Tesla's tower where he sprays the atmosphere

949
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:28.560
with molecules energy molecules and you can
have free energy in the atmosphere. Now,

950
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:30.359
I don't know how that works.
I'm not a scientist, and no

951
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:35.359
one knows how Tesla was planning on
getting the Wardencliffe Tower to work. Freers

952
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:40.520
onto something here in this book The
Secret of the Temple, and we'll have

953
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.960
him on in a couple more weeks. It kind of close out the year

954
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:51.800
this book. You got to get
it because it is really a technology that

955
01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:57.800
is earth based. It doesn't have
fossil fuels, it doesn't need nuclear power.

956
01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:05.439
It is where are ancestors or the
previous epoch that's remember that previous epoch

957
01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:13.319
aligns with that previous North Pole that's
between one hundred and thirty and seventy three

958
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:18.119
thousand years ago, that's the most
recent epoch, and they were using earth

959
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:28.520
based energy to generate power to fuel
their machines and their cities. And of

960
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.760
course, where the hell is all
this stuff? Well, if it is

961
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:39.399
being redistributed, if it's being repurposed
and reused, we're not going to know

962
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:44.960
about it because we're going to mistakenly
think that these temples, pyramids, buildings,

963
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:51.439
artifacts are from the dynastic Egyptians,
the Chinese, the Maya. Well,

964
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:59.840
this is the where we have to
look now. Getting academics, getting

965
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:08.880
archaeologists, Egyptologists to look beyond their
line in the sand, which is a

966
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:14.920
certain time period, is extremely difficult. And this is the problem with PhDs,

967
01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:21.840
over educated individuals who are so locked
in to their education that they can't

968
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:28.119
see beyond it. And this is
not all PhDs, but you know I

969
01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:33.159
have written and before he passed away, the imminent mayanist, Michael Cole.

970
01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:39.399
You know, it wasn't until he
retired that he let things start to rip.

971
01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:45.439
Like comparing the Mayan Pyramid to the
Indonesia Khmer Pyramid. He says there

972
01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:47.479
could be something going on there,
And I asked him. I didn't ask

973
01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:53.880
him. I read about this.
Does this mean that diffusion, the exchange

974
01:22:53.920 --> 01:23:00.840
of cultural philosophies and technology existed.
Well, no, most academics do not

975
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:08.760
believe in diffusion. They can't get
over themselves to believe that we Native people,

976
01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:14.800
Indigenous people cross the Atlantic, across
the Pacific, across the Indian Ocean

977
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:18.760
to get to another site God.
And we've heard it on this program.

978
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:27.520
It's recorded in local lore, which
sometimes goes to mythology, but that doesn't

979
01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:31.800
matter anymore. Oral traditions make sense. We're going to have all that.

980
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:39.399
Steve's back on the program to discuss
the oral traditions of indigenous people in North

981
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:44.000
America. But that goes from other
places too. So anyhow, I'm going

982
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:50.800
off on a tangent here. There's
a lot to like about this temple technology

983
01:23:51.880 --> 01:24:00.199
using earth based energy. And I
have a feeling, and this is between

984
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:05.920
you and me, that there are
certain organizations and one of them, most

985
01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:11.960
notably is NASA knows about the Ancients. There's an interesting story I'm going to

986
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.159
say. I mention it real quickly. My friend and mentor who wants men

987
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:23.800
mentioned to me what I called him
was that NASA had basically cordoned off the

988
01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:29.279
El Castillo pyramid, which is the
main pyramid at Chichinitza, and was conducting

989
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.399
a number of very specific kinds of
tests. And what has the rumor was

990
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:41.199
is that they were using frequency measuring
tools and this is like fifteen years ago

991
01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.600
to determine if there was energy coming
off the pyramid. And I think they

992
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:49.840
got something, but you know what, we'll never know. We'll never know.

993
01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:55.319
It's kind of like one of those
disclosure things. Do we know about

994
01:24:55.319 --> 01:24:59.479
the ancients or do we want to
reveal it. If we reveal it,

995
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:05.239
what happens if they reveal that the
Maya had unique abilities to generate energy from

996
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:12.199
pyramids, well we would have the
archaeologist would have to rewrite history. This

997
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:15.159
is the big scenario. Who gives
it? Damn? So what do if

998
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:19.439
you have to rewrite it? Give
us the evidence. Quit saying that after

999
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:25.119
a certain time period there are only
hunters and gatherers. We're walking around dragging

1000
01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:31.760
our our hands on the ground and
we're wearing animal furs to survive. It's

1001
01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:36.560
sure as hell not looking like that's
the scenario. So, by the way,

1002
01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:43.800
Michael Cremo kind of closes out our
year in December to talk about cycles

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of mankind and this is gonna be
fun, so don't forget that. I'll

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be mentioning we got some other surprises
for the end of the year. We

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always have the best of the best
at the end of the year, so

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look forward to that. So anyhow, again, John Michael Greer will be

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my guest in a couple of weeks
to talk about the secret of the Temple,

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So look forward to that. That
is I mean, I'm reading it

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right now. It's a mind flower. It's really good. It's really good.

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So fun to have him on the
program. Hey, the holidays are

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coming up, and that means gift
giving. What does that mean? Okay,

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you gotta get gifts for the kids, your loved ones, your friends,

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your family, your neighbors, whoever, in some cases deserves a gift.

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But if you're like me, you
know I love giving gifts. I

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love, you know, making people
smile in the holidays, Christmas time,

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Honikah, whatever. But it's nice
to get a gift yourself too, And

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why don't you give yourself a fabulous
gift. Join me April twenty sixth through

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May ninth for the Grand Egyptian Tour
twenty twenty four. It is a fabulous

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tour, and I gotta say this, it is half the price everyone else

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is charging. I was shocked that
they were charging ten twelve thousand for the

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same twelve day tour. It's ridiculous. Isn't that to me that much?

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It's kind of like gouging anyhow,
This tour is fabulous, it is ground

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breaking, it is great fun,
a lot of like many people are on

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the tour. And guess who's leading
it. Our friend Mohammed Imbrium will join

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us for the full tour again.
We all meet in Cairo for the full

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itinerary. Go to earth Ancients dot
com forward slash tours and check it out.

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I'm gonna be interviewing some people that
have been on our last tour,

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just so you can hear what people
are saying about this amazing close up in

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your face tour, the Grand Egyptian
Tour. It's gonna be number six coming

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up in twenty twenty four again.
For more information, go to earth Ancients

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dot com full slash Tours and check
it out. You'll love it. Alright,

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that's it for this program, and
when I think my guest today,

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John Michael Greer, in his new
book The Ceremony of the Grail as always

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the team of Ruth, Thomas,
Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing

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happen. You guys rock all right, Take care of be well, and

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we will talk to you next time.