WEBVTT 1 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:37.640 Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. This is Matt and I am joined by a very 2 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:42.079 special guest. I have been trying to get to come on the show forever 3 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:47.399 and can you believe this guy? He had the excuse of, Hey, 4 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:52.759 man, I'm having my second daughter. Can we wait until next week? 5 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.840 Mister Yahola Tiger of the war Cry Podcast, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Sir, 6 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.000 Hey, how's it going, man? I mean yeah, I had 7 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:02.640 to. I had to. I had to ditch you a little bit. 8 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:06.519 Man. Sorry, I had to make sure that you were you know, 9 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:11.200 you were waiting, you know. Yeah, I like build up that anticipation. 10 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.120 Yeah, you know, And like I've always been a fan of you 11 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.480 know, this show. You know you You've done a lot of good stuff 12 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:22.120 when it comes to the cryptic community, and so it's really, honestly for 13 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:23.879 me, it's an honor to it to be on. Oh too kind, 14 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:30.200 too kind. I'm just another oaky man and oky with interest and weird stuff 15 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.959 like you. Yeah, yeah, no doubt at all. Yeah. So 16 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:42.079 you're originally from Taloqua, that's it, yeph born and raised, talent quality 17 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:48.159 at its finest um. Yeah, especially in the Northeast area. You know, 18 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.959 check You Nation Reservation, you know, every time that I do a 19 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:55.319 podcast or you know, any type of you know thing that I do. 20 00:01:55.400 --> 00:02:00.319 And I also have another podcast called Unsolved Misues at the Reservation with Christopher Rompey 21 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.200 Hill, Russell sun Eagle, and Tyler Randall. And I always got a 22 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:08.439 shout out to talk Quaw and Talaqua area. So yep, there's that shout 23 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.120 out of Talaqua. If y'all y'all listen from there. Yeah, the Qua. 24 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.439 I'd love to hear from some Tallequah listeners. That would be awesome. 25 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:17.680 I don't know if I have any or not. A lot of people may 26 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:22.240 not even know, Like what are they even saying? Tallequa? Yeah? 27 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.520 And uh yeah, it's the capital of the Cherokee Nation, a pretty important 28 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:31.199 place, man. So tell me some Tallequa stories, man, that's what 29 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:37.560 I want to hear first. For sure. I know there's some crazy stuff 30 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:43.080 going on around Taalaquaw. And you are someone that seems, you know, 31 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:47.800 connected to everybody. Man, you got tons of great stories, So hit 32 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:52.199 me, man, what do you got? So? Okay, So, 33 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:54.919 like I said, I'm going to raise Talaqua. I know I'm a laire 34 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:58.919 about it. If you hear the name Tiger in that area, people probably 35 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.199 you know point me out or put my grandpa out or even my dad. 36 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:07.439 And so um. One thing you know about that area, there's so many 37 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:13.199 spots where there's been either you know, things happen when it comes to you 38 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:17.120 know, bad energy or you know deaths. Uh, you know, can 39 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.960 be really anything. We got some crypto, you got a lot of crypto 40 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.560 activity out there. Um. But the first story I'm going to tell you, 41 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.759 and this is a story. You know, I've told this story on 42 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:30.960 multiple you know, podcasts before, but I'm going to tell this story because 43 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.719 I think it's important to who I am and where my stories come from. 44 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.560 UM. So there's a park, um and it's called mural Home Park. 45 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:46.000 Um. It is technically park Hill, um, but it's it's in the 46 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.159 Telequaw vicinity. And you know, guy, I used to grow up, 47 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.240 I grew I grew up there, playing in the creek down there and and 48 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:58.360 messing around at that house. This story, um is from my grandpa, 49 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:03.280 and he would tell the story um pretty often, but you know he'd always 50 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:06.400 tell it in kind of a you know, make sure you're you're careful with 51 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:13.680 things. And this little this how the story goes, is this this young 52 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:19.079 boy he was not acting right, you know, not really listening to his 53 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:26.439 parents and you know, not really doing right and doing what's right. He 54 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:30.920 used to sneak out a lot, and when he'd go down, you know, 55 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.839 to this Tomorrow Home park, he messed around down there. One night, 56 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:39.120 he snuck out and he was making his way to the park and got 57 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:44.079 to the park. He looks down he sees this fire. He goes, 58 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.079 what is that? I don't know what that is? I guess I go 59 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.160 check it out. And he goes down there and he got to kind of 60 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:51.839 walk down this it's kind of it goes into a bank, but then it 61 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:57.480 has us old kind of underneath the bridge kinda as you get down into the 62 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:02.399 creek, and he sees this man down there in the robe and he's kind 63 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:08.079 of like, hmm. Guy welcomes and says, hey, you know, 64 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:12.000 young man, what's what's going on with you? You know, come hang 65 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.839 down, let's tell some stories. Let's let's let's talk a little bit. 66 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:19.319 And so they're talking and you know, it's getting real late, and the 67 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:23.759 young man, you know, he realizes it's getting kind of real late, 68 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.720 and he notices the fire is going down, and the guy in the kind 69 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.759 of this kind of overcoat said, hey, don't worry about it. Don't 70 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.000 worry about it. I'll get some more I'll get some more wood, and 71 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:39.399 I'll get this fire going back, get it back to how it was. 72 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.319 And the young, the young you know boy, he's okay, yeah, 73 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.240 that sounds all right. You know it's I don't know what time it is, 74 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.920 but I feel like we've got some time to hang out more, you 75 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:56.040 know, chat. And as the man gets up and it's in his overcoat, 76 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.480 the boy looks up and he goes he's really tall, he's really tall, 77 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.959 and he looks down, and the man had hoofs for feet. Oh 78 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:14.399 man, But the boy took off running. He got he he he got 79 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:18.480 home and you know he Sometimes that's you need those wake up calls to act 80 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:25.079 right. And that's a story my grandpa always told you know about you know 81 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:30.839 that he had heard kind of in that area. Um, but like I 82 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.240 said, there's so many crazy things out there, and you know that park, 83 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:41.639 there had been multiple suicides out there, and people would always say they 84 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.720 saw shadow people out there on the trails, especially when you get an early 85 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.120 morning or late at night, you know. Growing up, Like I said, 86 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:51.720 I was running around down there, and we'd be out there kind of 87 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.600 getting you know, not late, but just kind of where it starts getting 88 00:06:55.639 --> 00:07:00.839 dust. And there's also and I'm not you know, I don't know. 89 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.079 I guess I guess I'll go full blasts and save the names of these things. 90 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:10.279 But um, you know, I know people, you know, you 91 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.879 know, some people call them, you know, the wind days. Some 92 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:17.839 people call them leper cons, but we um five civilized tribes, we call 93 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:23.920 them little people. They're out there too as well. And I'll tell you 94 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.680 a story, another story. So I was a little boy growing up at 95 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.279 that at that park, you know, my elementary school with all wildcats, 96 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.920 you know, I shout out to them to that school. You know, 97 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:40.879 I graduated from there as a young young buck um. But we had a 98 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.399 four age or it was like an Earth Day. It was some type of 99 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.319 event that was going on. It was right before the time change. I've 100 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.160 been a month before the time change, and so they guy was still getting 101 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:56.839 dark pretty early, about five thirty ish, and it had run a little 102 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.720 late, and we were kind of you know, getting back kind of late 103 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.079 on the on the school bus. So we stopped at about four o'clock to 104 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.439 kind of hang out and and at Moral Home Park to be you know, 105 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:13.800 we're hanging out Moral Home Park and you know, we all they decided let's 106 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.800 play hide and go seek out and out in those trails. So if if 107 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:22.600 you guys, you know at home listening, if you google Moral Home Park, 108 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.120 you'll see that there's a bridge that leads one loan bridge that leads into 109 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.480 this trail. Into the trail goes left, right, and forward and up 110 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.960 the middle. The further you get, the higher the trail goes. And 111 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.480 I always knew when it starts getting dust like this, you don't go up 112 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.840 to the higher trails, because that's what they say. That's where I was 113 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.039 told that, you know, those people you know committed you know, let 114 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:52.360 you know, commit suicide up there. And so we're playing down at the 115 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.799 bottom level. It's still pretty light outside, and we're running around and I 116 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.279 get tagged it. You know, I'm the person that's supposed to be catching 117 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:07.559 people. So I'm running and i'm running. I see this this shadow of 118 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:13.519 this smaller person, and I'm thinking that's one of my classmates, and I'm 119 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:18.000 chasing. I'm rarely running, really trying to catch it, getting about, 120 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.519 you know, one foot a couple of feet away from this thing, and 121 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:22.720 almost about to get them in right as I go to get them, I 122 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:28.399 miss them, and they take off a little faster. And as they as 123 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.000 they keep going, Um, I started realizing I'm not on the trail anymore, 124 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.200 and I'm not quite on the main path and being you know and living 125 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:41.559 out there and not living out there, but you know, being out there 126 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.840 a lot growing up. I kind of started to realize I'm not on the 127 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.120 trail anymore, and I'm going off to this game trail and I'm starting to 128 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.120 realize that, and I go, I'll kind to look around and say, 129 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.360 oh, I'm not nowhere where I need to be. You know, that's 130 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.919 what they do to you. That's what you know, some of these shadow 131 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.519 things do, or you know, little people, you know, they they 132 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.879 they distract you, and that's what they do two younger kids. Because I 133 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.360 think it's because of the innocence thing. Kids don't really know, you know, 134 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.720 they really don't know what they you know, what adults know. And 135 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:18.000 you know, I realized that because like I was always very aware of weird 136 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.679 things growing up, Grandpa will always be telling us I listened to him. 137 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.159 You know, all my other cousins will kind of be laughing around, and 138 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.720 oh that's you know, they ain't nothing out there like that. And I 139 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.960 took this serious. I really took it serious. Um. And you know 140 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.159 that's an example of that moment where I you know, I took my grandpa 141 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:41.679 and my grandma. You know, she was she's full blood, both my 142 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.759 grandpa's full blood Creek and my Stoga Creek, and um, my grandma was 143 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:54.120 a mix of a mosh posh of kay Wood shining a Rapaho um and Cherokee. 144 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:56.159 And so they knew things and they you know, you always got to 145 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.600 listen, you know, to your elders. And that's one thing that I 146 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.240 try to do growing up is listen to them, like, hey, if 147 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.200 they don't look right, it don't sound right, it's probably not right. 148 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.279 And that in that story, you know that you know, me getting kind 149 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.600 of distracted off, you know, you know that's how you know, we 150 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.440 always talk about or not we but you know most people always talk about those 151 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.799 missing people. How you know they get kind of you know, how do 152 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.320 they get twenty five miles away? You know, that's kind of a crazy 153 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.480 little thing to think about. But but yeah, those are a couple of 154 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.320 stories, you know, kind of starting out as as a young young kid 155 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:37.159 in talent call um, you know that. You know that very interesting, 156 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.279 very you know, something I think about quite quite a bit. Yeah, 157 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.799 you know, uh, growing up in Oklahoma, Uh, myself as a 158 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:52.000 non native, but having lots of native friends, growing up, my family, 159 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.879 friends with other families and stuff. You know, you hear a lot 160 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.440 of weird stuff like this. You hear about a lot of things, but 161 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:07.360 people don't understand that these aren't just stories. This stuff really does happen, 162 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:15.600 and these things are real. And one time I was briefly talking to another 163 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:20.559 guy from Oklahoma on the show about you know, dear woman, and somebody 164 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.679 made the comment, you know that, well, this is why people don't 165 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:30.279 take bigfoot seriously, because it gets lumped in with all this other stuff that's 166 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:35.480 made up. It was just like, man, buddy, careful, now, 167 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.559 careful. Now, we're not even supposed to be talking about this. 168 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.320 And I went out on a limb and talked about it, and now here 169 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.799 you are doing that. This stuffs. Really, you know, I don't 170 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.320 really like to talk about it much. But I mean, I'm pretty sure 171 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:54.440 that I had a little people encounter one time right here in the middle of 172 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.360 Tulsa. It was the first house that I lived in on my own after 173 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:05.679 moving out. I was eighteen, and the previous owner of the house, 174 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.879 the people that owned it, their son had been living there, and I 175 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.600 guess he had a drug problem and he had overdosed in the house. I 176 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.240 don't know if it was intentional or not, but whenever I was moving in, 177 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.039 there was a little Native lady that lived in the house behind it, 178 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.799 and she came over and introduced herself, and she said, I just wanted 179 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.720 you to know that whenever the house was empty, I heard that someone was 180 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:35.240 moving in, and I smoked the house for you because there was some negative 181 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.279 spirits in here, bad energy. And I think during everything, you know, 182 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.320 I appreciate I was familiar with, you know, what she had done 183 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.399 and everything. And she said, oh, by the way, there's also 184 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.960 little people around here. I leave food out behind my house for him, 185 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.000 so if you see him, don't be afraid. They won't mess with you 186 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.559 or anything. And I just kind of like, okay, I mean, 187 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:03.039 I had heard of little people before, but we're in the middle of Tulsa, 188 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.879 you know, like it wasn't that I didn't believe. It was just 189 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.519 like, okay, well, you know, I yeah, I just didn't 190 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.240 take it too serious. And one night I was sitting out on the front 191 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:22.559 porch and there's a the shrub at the corner of the porch. It's an 192 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.360 old wooden porch, you know, covered porch, and so like I'm sitting 193 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.679 on the steps and the bush is at the corner of the porch, and 194 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.240 then there's a gap between the bush and the front corner of the house at 195 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.639 the end of the porch, and I kind of saw something catch my eye, 196 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.840 some movement by the front of the bush, but I couldn't quite see. 197 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:45.639 I mean, you know, it's the middle of the night, it's 198 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:50.399 dark out. I don't have any lights or anything. And I thought it 199 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.519 was a cat or something like a stray cat at first, and so it 200 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.200 kind of runs around the corner of the bush, and I see the bush 201 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.559 shake a little bit. So I'm looking at the gap at the end of 202 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.039 the porch between the bush in the corner of the house. But a cat 203 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:11.519 didn't run by what I saw. I mean, it literally looked like a 204 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:18.200 little person about two feet tall or so. I could see from basically the 205 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.000 waist up, because that was the part that was above the porch, you 206 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.440 know, that I could see. And it looked pretty uniform in color. 207 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:31.200 It was dark head to toe or whatever. Everything I could see was darker 208 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:37.559 in color. It didn't seem black in color. It seemed brown. But 209 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:41.200 the weirdest part about it, man, is it looked like it was wearing 210 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:50.000 some kind of clothing, like homemade clothing or something, some kind of shirt. 211 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.480 And I mean, it just ran fast right past that opening at the 212 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:02.000 end of the porch. I was probably, I don't know, about eight 213 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.200 feet away from it, and I saw it, and I jumped up, 214 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.320 and I ran around the end of the porch and looked down between the houses, 215 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:11.399 you know, and uh, there wasn't nothing there. I couldn't see 216 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.799 anything. And I thought about going down the side of the house, uh, 217 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.919 you know, to see if it was in the back or something, 218 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.039 and uh, I decided against it. I just went inside the house. 219 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:27.000 And I mean that house had all kinds of you know, paranormal stuff going 220 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.720 on. Just wasn't a good place for me to be living anyways. Um, 221 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.159 But yeah, I thought that was the darnest thing. I mean, 222 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:37.799 from that point on, I took it real serious. You know, I 223 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:44.320 didn't question that kind of stuff no more. Yeah. You know that's one 224 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.559 thing too that you know, I've we've I've discussed it and you know, 225 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.919 unsolved missies in the reservation uh Fellas. We we've discussed this, you know, 226 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.799 on a on a podcast episode about about little people and this land that 227 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.840 that sits you know, in the north east from park or the northeast, 228 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.359 but then going into like where Tulsa is, you know, that's all that 229 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:10.160 land used to not be what it is today. And one thing that that 230 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:15.599 as mankind has kind of you know, taken over you know us, you 231 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.480 know, human beings. We start making places our home. We don't realize 232 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.559 and a lot of people, non natives don't realize this. But you know, 233 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.240 you could be building, you know, you see this pot of land 234 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.559 that's got two acres and you know, and and you know it's got real, 235 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.839 real nice creep behind it. It's just a beautiful spot. But you 236 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.400 don't realize that could be someone that could be something's home and you build, 237 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:42.240 you know, on things and you and one thing about little people, they 238 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:48.559 do have trails, um, and they do you travel them. And it 239 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.000 sounds like that lady was not I'm not gonna say, protecting the neighborhood, 240 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.319 but almost kind of helping y'all out. Yeah, because y'all might have been 241 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.359 on y'all's houses, might have could have been on the couple of their trails. 242 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.319 And and that's how that's how you you, uh, you make peace 243 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.200 with them, is by offering them. They called a food plate, some 244 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.920 people called a spirit plate. That's for people that have passed on. But 245 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.960 you know those plates, uh you know that A funny, you know, 246 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.000 really funny story about my grandma. When she was growing up, she didn't 247 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.400 have a door or window. Um, this is out in bunch, Oklahoma. 248 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.119 Um. She should never really like to tell this story, but I 249 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:30.119 had to get it out of her, you know, as I got older, 250 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.680 I said, hey, tell me that story about you saw that that 251 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:37.720 little person. And she was a little girl, you know, real little. 252 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.359 And one night she was uh, you know, laying because I said, 253 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.640 there was one room, no door that had an old you know ended 254 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.759 blanket over the door, and you know they had it was a real, 255 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:53.839 real poor house. And one night she was sitting there and laying laying in 256 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:57.559 her bed, and she kind of heard something rustling around and she looked and 257 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:03.480 there was a she's a little a little real little person um and you know, 258 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.519 grabbing stuff off the you know, off this plate that was left. 259 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.240 And she thought was like, okay, well, I don't that's I don't 260 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.519 know, maybe I'm seeing things. And so she asked her her family member, 261 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.160 and the family says, yeah, we we built a house accidentally on 262 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.960 their trail, and we have to make sure that we we make peace with 263 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.119 them and let them know that we're sorry and that we uh and that we 264 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.519 that we respect them. Well, then you know, a couple of nights 265 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:33.400 later she ended up seeing it. It's and and and I'm giving this is 266 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.400 kind of some you know inside you know inside kind of information, not inside 267 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.200 information, but you know, some information. But you know, they they 268 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:47.200 dressed in that old style. That's how they dress. It's uh, and 269 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:49.319 it's not I don't want to say people was always buckskin, and you know, 270 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.720 it's not not really that. It's could be deer hide or you know, 271 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:56.000 it could be you know, it could be anything. You know, 272 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.920 they how they dressed in the old way, and that's what they look like. 273 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:04.279 But you know there's two different there's multiple kinds of little people too. 274 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:08.599 Um. You know, you got the kind that's that's going to help you 275 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:17.759 and the kind that's more trickster like. Um. And you know those guys 276 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.319 they dressed a little bit more tattered clothing as if like they're homeless, and 277 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.160 they they're those are the kind those are the the types that make you lose 278 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.880 your mind a little bit. Like if you're out, you know, kind 279 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.920 of in the woods, or you know, you could be walking down the 280 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.839 road, you know, and you know your sidewalk and all of sudden you 281 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:38.240 kind of see something. You're like, oh, what does that? And 282 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.920 you keep falling and next you know you're, you know, fifteen miles away 283 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.000 from your house or something. Crazy. Um. You know, they you 284 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.079 know they do. You know another kind of thing that they do is that 285 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.440 they they work time. So they put something. Someone said this, you 286 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.079 know the greatest way I've ever heard it said, and I cannot remember how 287 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.640 I said it, but essentially they pull land masks together, they let you 288 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.720 walk through it, and then they pull it back at how it was. 289 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:10.519 And I can't remember how they explain that. But if that makes sense exactly 290 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:14.119 and then they pull you through and then you're where you're at, you know, 291 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.240 miles away. I've heard that too. And so like I said, 292 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:22.799 those those those beings, I said, I'm real kind of you know, 293 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:25.400 there should be some natives listening to this, like all he's telling all the 294 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:30.279 secrets. But yeah, you know, my my thing is is I'm very 295 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.680 I'm very cautious when I talk about them. Um. You know, every 296 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:37.480 time I talk about these things, I always you always, I always take 297 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.200 care of myself. Um. And that's one thing that, um, if 298 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.079 you know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about. But 299 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:45.720 you know, as I make sure we do that, I do that, 300 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.240 you know, like when we get off here, I'll do I'll take care 301 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.519 of myself and take care of my house and my family. But you know 302 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.599 that's one thing that you know, with our with our Unsolvedashes of the Reservation 303 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.319 podcasts, you know, we get a little flat from that when we start 304 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:03.880 talking about the these real beings, these are real things. Um. You 305 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.680 know, we get stories from people, and I get stories from people all 306 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.319 over Indian country, all over the place, you know, all over the 307 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.440 country, non natives too. You know that they tell like, hey, 308 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:18.599 I think I might have seen one, or I might have seen or you 309 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.200 know, you know, I had a non native relative who got who got 310 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.039 basically taken off by them. Oh wow, you know he got he got 311 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.559 he was hunting, he was out hunting, and all next thing, you 312 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.440 know, he's like fifteen you know, I don't know the distance, but 313 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.480 he's a he's a good amount away from his truck and he wasn't nowhere near 314 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:41.400 where he was supposed to be. Um And so they do that, they 315 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.880 do the missing time, and they do they do things like that. I 316 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.799 was going to ask you if you do get any sort of you know, 317 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.480 flack or heat for talking about some of these things, because you know, 318 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.400 from the episodes of your podcast that I've listened to, you know, you 319 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.519 talk pretty openly about a lot of stuff, and I know a lot of 320 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.319 natives are like, man, we don't talk about that stuff. You know, 321 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.160 you're not supposed to talk about it, you know, for the very 322 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.440 reasons that you're you know talking about, you know, taking care of yourself 323 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.359 in your house afterward. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's you 324 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:15.400 know that I'm gonna be honest with you know, like we you know, 325 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:21.640 we on my podcast Warcraft Podcasts and also Unsolved, you know, we we 326 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.799 do get we do get some heat from some people. And you know, 327 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:27.359 it is what it is, you know, I mean, it's it's a 328 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.400 and I'm gonna say this, you know, And no disrespect to the elders 329 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.160 or anybody who's old head, but you're an old head. We're in twenty 330 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.799 twenty three. We are losing our culture. You know, some of the 331 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.799 stories that I was told growing up. I asked some people with my same 332 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.799 age and they don't know nothing about it. And I get, you know, 333 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.839 I get real not emotional, but I get real passionate about that, 334 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.000 um because you know, you say, we're not supposed to talk about these 335 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.640 things, but a lot of a lot of our natives and the relatives actually 336 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:59.799 then don't know nothing about it. You know. That's one thing that you 337 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.039 know, people like you know, I could use you for an example, 338 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.839 that house that you were in that you didn't know, um, you know, 339 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:08.920 you didn't know what was going on, and it's causing you problems, 340 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:14.079 health problems, mental problems that we cause you all types of these problems. 341 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.799 And if you don't know what it is and what the symptoms are and what 342 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.240 you know, what's going on? You know, you how can you take 343 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.400 care of yourself if you don't know that, you know, little people running 344 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:30.759 around or um you got miss and going on happening and and things like that 345 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.839 that are better affecting you. And so I think we do a lot. 346 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:37.400 I do a lot of my my information telling just to help people out. 347 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:41.160 And that's really what it comes down to. Um is helping because somebody, 348 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.799 like I said, some people just don't know, you know. So let's 349 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:56.400 talk about bigfoot man young any Talentqua Bigfoot stories because let me tell you something. 350 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:02.240 I don't know if you're familiar with them or not, but I've got 351 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:11.319 family in Taalaqua. My uncle was pretty well known. He was Judge Bliss, 352 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.359 Judge Bill Bliss. Oh okay, yeah, I do I know that 353 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:21.000 name. Yeah, and uh, you know he's passed on now. But 354 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:26.559 I had gotten into bigfoot before he passed away. And you know, he 355 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.759 didn't make fun of me for it. You know, he would talk to 356 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.440 me about it and everything. And I'd always asked him, you know, 357 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.519 tell me some Bigfoot stories about tall Aqua. I know you got sorry, 358 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.599 you know, And because a few times it's been on the news and stuff. 359 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.640 I remember growing up as a kid, you know, there was some 360 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.920 stuff going on out there, and he told me that, you know, 361 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.240 one of the deputies there in tall Quah went out and took a report and 362 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:56.160 like saw tracks and everything else and was completely convinced that they were real. 363 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.920 Lots of stories, you know about stuff around, you know, the Illinois 364 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.079 Reverend everything. So do you ever hear anything from out there? Maybe a 365 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.400 pumpkin hollow or something. Um, So, yeah, I've heard some stories. 366 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.279 I you know, I'm not gonna say quite a bit, but I've 367 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:17.599 heard quite quite a few stories. Um. First story that comes to mind 368 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:22.160 is, so when you're entering Talent Wall from um and I can't think of 369 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.519 the highway or the inners or whatever it's called highway that you're as you're going 370 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.559 into Talent Wall, you got a cheer connation on your right and you're going 371 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.160 on down. You go through the light and now there's a case he's in 372 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.799 the casino that we're out there on the right hand side as you're getting into 373 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.359 main Talent Wall. Well, that used to be a golf course and that 374 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:47.720 used to be a pastor right out there. Years ago. Yeah, you 375 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.480 know, I had my my dad's best friend. He was traveling down that 376 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.720 backside road that goes next to the golf course but next next to that pastor, 377 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:02.519 and he was driving, I don't know, for some reason, he 378 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:07.880 slowed down because I think he saw something and the he doesn't really quite know 379 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.480 why he did this, but he thought he saw something off on the right 380 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.440 hand side, so he slowed down to kind of maybe not hit it, 381 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.759 you know, maybe not a bit of deer or something, because deer real 382 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.599 big in that area. And when he did, he hit his brakes and 383 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.599 as he hit his brakes, he saw something tall and Harry go right next 384 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.160 to his car. You know, it literally passed right where his headlights, 385 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:38.599 like he could see basically the kind of I'd probably say probably quads, yea, 386 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:42.119 But it just was real quick, you know, like and you know, 387 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:48.160 in the in the tel lights and you know, I know, Ohnul, 388 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:49.759 you're probably gonna ask me what my theory is on big Foot, because 389 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.160 I know I feel like that's a question that's asked all the time. But 390 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.640 you know, when he saw that, he he didn't remember if we're about 391 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:03.720 you know, up until about a year ago, huh, and he had 392 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.960 told that story to my to my dad. This is probably and I don't 393 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.160 know how I remember the story. I just remember stories that hit me. 394 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.200 I guess impact me. I guess because I guess I traveled down that road 395 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.880 a lot, you know, growing up. And I said, you know, 396 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.559 I said to my desk, I may remember when he told that story 397 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.440 about that, and he goes, man, I remember something like that, 398 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.960 you know, And so he asked him. He said, I don't remember 399 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.680 any story like that, huh. And I'm kind of like so then I 400 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:30.920 asked him again, I said, you remember that. So he had kind 401 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.680 of sat back because he had told the story being mine, this is twenty 402 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.279 years ago when he told the story to my dad, and my dad had 403 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:42.319 related to me I might have been eight years old, and you know, 404 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.680 so he related. So then he sat and he kind of thought, he 405 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.200 said, man, I it's almost like it like it wiped my mind. 406 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:52.200 And you know, it gets into kind of some theories on that, but 407 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.079 you know, that's kind of the stories he you know, he saw the 408 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.480 you know, the creature literally right off his his tail lights, walk all 409 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:04.359 the way to the other side of the pasture. Um, and that's it's 410 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:10.359 a real simple encounter. But there's more to that. And and I don't 411 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:11.519 want to get too far along. I know you want to hear and well, 412 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.359 we'll talk some more stories. But that's very interesting to me. It's 413 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.680 interesting. Well let's just go ahead and talk about that. I mean, 414 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.640 we you know, we can get back to the stories. But I'm interested 415 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:26.319 in hearing you know, your take on stuff, because you know, you 416 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:32.079 hear different things and I'm not so sure. You know, I'm not at 417 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.119 the same place I used to be, you used to be out of strictly, 418 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.799 this is flesh and blood. This is just an undiscovered animal of some 419 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:44.960 kind. It's you know, higher intelligence primate or something like that. And 420 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.559 the more I've gone and the more stories I've heard, and you know a 421 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.039 few things that I experienced that you know, left me kind of wandering. 422 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.960 Uh, I'm interested to hear what your take is, especially with you know, 423 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.039 saying he kind of felt like he had his mind wiped. So I 424 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.960 say that, and he, you know, like I said, he you 425 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.039 know, kind of didn't relay the same story back to me, and I'm 426 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.359 just like, man, that's crazy. So kind of what my thought is 427 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:26.960 on that is I believe Bigfoot has has abilities and knowledge that we humans don't 428 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:33.960 have currently. And it's not a technology thing. It's not it's not an 429 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:40.079 AI, it's not any type of you know, you know, something other 430 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:45.720 than what the Creator has given us. And what the Creator has given us, 431 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:52.200 you know, we have lost that as we've gained technology. And when 432 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.559 he says his mind was wiped, they do that to you. You know. 433 00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.920 I hear people talk about cloaking. That's a that's a huge thing. 434 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.400 People always talking about cloaking. I see it all over people every Facebook group. 435 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:07.119 And yeah, I'm gonna tell you what cloak that is, and I'll 436 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.200 and I'll tell a story with it. And this is my opinion. This 437 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:17.279 is only you know, from what I gathered and hearing these stories. My 438 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:22.799 grandpa back he knew something. He knew some things. And when I say 439 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.720 do some things, that means he knew how to do some do things to 440 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:30.720 make things easier. In terms of medicine or magic, Native people called Native 441 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.440 American magic, and that's kind of what I've heard non natives call it. 442 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.480 I call it medicine. I call it medicine too. You're all right, 443 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.359 okay, So I just want to make sure I clarified that. So people 444 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.240 were like, what is he talking about medicine, Like I be profen. 445 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.480 Yeah. Uh, you know he worked at he worked at an all an 446 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:56.359 All Native College, uh fro about from you know, his entire career. 447 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:01.839 He retired there. It's a Muskogee um at bake Home College and Shogi and 448 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.559 they were going through some turmoil years, you know, when he was kind 449 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:13.279 of getting towards the end of his time there. And you know, one 450 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.960 thing he always told me, he said, you can hide yourself, but 451 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.839 the only people that can find you are the people that are looking for you. 452 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:24.599 And that always stuck with me, and it's stuck with me. And 453 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.240 he told me that. You know, I might have been in elementary school 454 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.960 or maybe even middle school when he told me that. And I relate to 455 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.680 Bigfoot because they know things too. You know. People talk, like I 456 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.640 said, talk about cloaky. If they don't want you, if they don't 457 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.960 want you, if they don't want to be seen by you, you will 458 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:49.240 not see them. And it has nothing to do with any type of electronical 459 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.559 you know, or any type of AI system or yeah, you know Harry 460 00:32:53.599 --> 00:33:00.079 Potter Cloak. You know, nothing like that they they will not be I 461 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.279 know, people say, oh, whether they're camouflage, they got their hair 462 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.759 blends in with the trees. That's yeah, that is a part of it. 463 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:15.680 But they can they can make themselves disappear. I know Seminoles believe that. 464 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.039 I know, Muscogee Creeks believe that, the Cherokees believe that. Um, 465 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:22.960 I know, Choctaw believe that, and you know, so on and 466 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.720 so forth, you know, And when it comes to them as a as 467 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.519 an entity or a being, I don't believe they come from outer space. 468 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:38.480 I don't believe they travel through portals. I don't believe I don't believe that 469 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:44.519 they they Um, what's a I'm trying to think all these series of people 470 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:51.680 have Yeah, I know. I mean what I believe is they've been here 471 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.440 longer than we have been. I believe that they. I believe because the 472 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.680 ancient the ancient Indians tell us, you know, and they you know, 473 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:05.079 and stories have been passed down from a long time ago that they were here, 474 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:10.000 you know, and we lived in uh we lived in uh cohesion with 475 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:15.280 them, and that we offered them things and then they offered they gave us 476 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.800 things back, and they did those things for us. And that's that goes 477 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.159 all the way back to every tribe, you know, knowing the man, 478 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:29.199 They've had these stories and you know, I make you know, that's just 479 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.360 kind of my belief of it. What happens is is once you once a 480 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.440 generation is gone, the next generation doesn't doesn't know what the last generation knew. 481 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:42.320 So you know, we look back, you know, you know, 482 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.920 to the old days, the ancient ways, you know, and that medicine 483 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.079 was so strong, it was so strong. I mean it may it makes 484 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.760 today's medicine look like, you know, like you said, it's like trying 485 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.480 to put a band aid on a on a you know, gash, you 486 00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:00.960 know, like you've been ripped open. That's what it looks like. You 487 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.760 know, that medicine was so strong, and every generation it gets a little 488 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.679 bit weaker because it's not being fully to pass down. Now, not saying 489 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.480 that there isn't people out there that know the full ways, but it's less 490 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:19.440 people, is what I'm saying. Same thing that I believe with Bigfoot, 491 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.320 the Cherokeees called in the Secret Tribe, we call them the Secret Tribe, 492 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:30.320 is because they're we believe that they're people, that they are people not people 493 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.480 in the sense of human beings, but they're they're their own people. It's 494 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:39.519 like, and my belief is is that their medicine has gotten weaker and weaker 495 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.519 through the generation, so not every single one of them can do it, 496 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.280 much like I don't practice medicine much like you know, you know some guy, 497 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.880 you know God would here done practice medicine, but this person does over 498 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.840 here. I much. That's that's how I view it. I view it 499 00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:01.639 as in, you know, the losing of the culture and the losing of 500 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:06.559 this medicine. I equate equate the same thing to bigfoot, And I believe 501 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.480 that's what it is, because you know, there you do have some that 502 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:13.519 cloak, but then you also have some that just it's almost like they swat 503 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.440 down and they're gone, or you know, or they um or like they'll 504 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.519 take a step into a tree and like the person you know will won't you 505 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.320 know, they'll keep recording, but they then they'll just disappear, you know. 506 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.599 I I believe, I said, I believe that when they want you, 507 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.079 they when they want to be seen, they'll be seen. You know. 508 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.280 That makes a lot of sense, at least to me, especially the 509 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:44.440 part about some of them, you know, still able to practice medicine and 510 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:50.960 do things that others can't, you know, especially in the sense of them 511 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.920 having a culture and being a type of people, it would make sense for 512 00:36:54.000 --> 00:37:01.440 that same situation to be happening in their culture as is happening in your mum. 513 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:06.199 So that's really interesting because I've always wondered, you know, like well, 514 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.840 why didn't this one, you know, like how why did I see 515 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:13.280 one? Why didn't it just cloak or turn invisible if they can do that. 516 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:15.639 But what you're saying, you know, makes a lot of sense and 517 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:21.800 explains that. Yeah, and yeah, that'sp thing that you know. You 518 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.239 know, there there may be some people to disagree, and that's fine. 519 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.920 I don't I don't don't mind that because I know each person has a different 520 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.039 experience and I'm not a researcher, but what I am as a story collector 521 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.000 in a storytelling and from what I hear and you know, from what I've 522 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.599 been you know, you know, given in terms of information, that's just 523 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:44.760 the that's the best I can do at this time. You know, I 524 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.679 said I used to believe. I don't say I really used to believe that 525 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:50.639 they came through portals because I couldn't. It didn't make sense of how they 526 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.400 were disappearing, like they'd stepped behind a tree and then be gone, and 527 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:57.400 people, you know, are they would are they you know they are? 528 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.039 Foot tracks would end up, you know, you'd be falling them all the 529 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.719 way down and you'd be tracking the foot footprints and then all of a sudden 530 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.079 they're gone. Now, that to me never made sense. So I was 531 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.199 thinking maybe that they were just disappearing. But then, you know, I'll 532 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.880 kick it back old school here. And so back in the eighteen hundreds and 533 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:21.599 nineteen hundreds, there was a man named Chitto Harjoe. He was a Muscogee 534 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:25.239 Creek band. My family, they used to run around. They were called 535 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:31.440 snakes, and my Edward Scott was my ken who was running around with him. 536 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.320 And Chitto told, uh, you know, people in his in his 537 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:40.719 snake game, that when he was hiding from the federal government, a big 538 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:47.000 foot showed him how to disappear, gave him that medicine, showed him the 539 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:51.880 old ways, and they couldn't find ship though for a long time up in 540 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:58.480 you Fall for you Fall area, and that's well documented. And you know 541 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.880 he had said that, you know, he was hiding and he saw you 542 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:02.840 know, one of them came up and gave him, you know, kind 543 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.800 of showed him how to turn into a stump. And he turned into a 544 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:07.880 stump right in front of him, you know, right in front of the 545 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:15.719 people after him. Wow. And so that's where and that's a lot of 546 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.880 you know, kind of I talked about that, that kind of that story. 547 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.440 I think it's like episode two of my of the war Cry podcast, 548 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.880 my podcast. Um, and I'm you know, I give you a little 549 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.480 bit more information here kind of what I believe because I try to remove what 550 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:34.079 I believe and just give people what, you know, the information. And 551 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.760 but that's that's a lot where my my belief stands from. And there was 552 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:43.239 another gentleman named Tim Harjoe. He uh, he was on Bigfootville. If 553 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.639 you guys remember the doc You remember the documentary Bigfootville that was taking place. 554 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.079 Yeah, yeah, I know who Tim Harjoe is for sure. Yeah. 555 00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.039 Yeah. And so he said on it, he said, you know, 556 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.079 he called it magic, but you know everyone knows in the Indian community he 557 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.840 means medicine, you know, and the ability to do things. Um. 558 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.400 And so you know, a lot of my beliefs I you know, of 559 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.039 these things, and just from the information I've been given from people, you 560 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.719 know, leads me to believe that that's what they're doing. Is they're just 561 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.880 you know, some people. Some of them are cloaking or doing their you 562 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.960 know, disappearing act, and some of them, you know, I think 563 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.079 some of them have abilities that we can't comprehend. And I think that, 564 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:27.199 you know, that's why they you know, that's why we can't see certain 565 00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.599 things about them, and that's why we have no recollection of them, you 566 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.199 know, like they'll wipe your mind or you know, they'll make you, 567 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.199 you know, forget where you know you're at, or you know, things 568 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:44.239 like that. Have you HEARDing stories about them talking yes and no um? 569 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.800 And I can't verify where I heard this story from. I know it's in 570 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.960 a Cherky nation, um part aspect of this, and I know the Muscoe 571 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.000 some Muscogee Creek, and I know that I've heard over the over the years 572 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:02.159 that they do some type of samurai chatter mum. But I've I've heard that 573 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.320 it's like the story that I was heard that they heard someone talking in the 574 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:12.800 woods and it sounded and it didn't sound human. And it wasn't really a 575 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.639 talk. It was like a whisper. And this is out in uh, 576 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.840 kind of out there by Tin Killer Lake. Yeah, I had heard a 577 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.079 story of someone out in the woods. Um And I can't remember, must 578 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.840 not have been my grandpa's told me the story. But I was always I 579 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.400 was always asking him about you know, oh, did you hear this about 580 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.760 this? Because like I would hear these theories and ask him if he heard 581 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.559 a story about it. Um And yeah, but that's the only thing I've 582 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:42.880 heard about it is that they heard whisper. It sounded like a human talking, 583 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.239 but it wasn't a human. It was like a louder whisper. It 584 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:52.119 sounded and it didn't sound like it made sense. Hm. I was just 585 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:58.880 curious because I talked to an elder which woman one time, and she said 586 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.400 that they and speak whatever the language is, the language of the tribe in 587 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.519 the area that they're in. Now, obviously they're seen in places where there 588 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.400 are no tribes, but here in Oklahoma, they're usually seen around tribes and 589 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.480 reservations and stuff. And uh, I was just curious if you had ever 590 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:21.320 heard anything like that. No, Yeah, I mean I hadn't heard anything 591 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.920 like that. But I would not be surprised honestly, because I mean, 592 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.599 I mean, like I said, kicking aback, you know, telling old 593 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:36.840 stories is um. So back in the old days, my ancestor, Jackson 594 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:43.599 Lewis, was a vest inn really powerful medicine from the Mustoga Creek, and 595 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.119 he would get calls from time to time to go out to southern Oklahoma and 596 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:53.159 southern you know or you know, you know basically I guess the southern Oklahoma, 597 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:58.880 southeast Oklahoma. Yeah, he would get, he would get He would 598 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.519 have choke tall people come and get him at his house here, you know, 599 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.960 in the Fall area. And a story that came out of that was 600 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:15.400 that, uh that basically chalk calls would would practice. You know, they're 601 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:20.239 still they're getting their strength to face you know, whatever tribe or whatever clan 602 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.440 or you know whatever. You know. The occasion was they would prepare for 603 00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:29.119 their stake ball games, uh by boiling, you know, getting hog fat, 604 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.280 boiling and greasing themselves down and and speaking you know, to to Bigfoot 605 00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.719 to have him come out and wrestle. They would wrestle Bigfoot. Um. 606 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:45.519 And that does lend credence because you know, I don't I mean I know 607 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:46.679 there. You know, it's the territory thing. I don't know if they 608 00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:51.800 have to s territrialine that stuff, but you know, it is very interesting 609 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.719 that, you know, you you have intermixings of different tribes and clans and 610 00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:00.320 different areas and different dialects, and for them to be able to understand all 611 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.039 those languages, those dialects, the slang for that tribe you know, or 612 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.519 that specific clan. You know, that's that's very interesting. You know, 613 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.079 I may have to start asking around about that. I just had never thought 614 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.679 about, you know, the language part of that. Yeah. And then 615 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.800 I've also heard stories about them coming out to Powell Grounds. Yes, man, 616 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.800 okay, so I'll tell you this is. Uh So, we had 617 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:25.760 a we had an event out Pawnee, Oklahoma, and it was a storytelling 618 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.360 event and a man I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say his name, but 619 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:35.760 hey ended up winning the contest, the storytelling contest, and he was out. 620 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.039 I think it was in the in the Dakotas I believe, or he 621 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.719 might I can't remember exactly where he was at, but he was. He 622 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.880 told the story as uh, you know, they were winding the Powell you 623 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.360 know, down and they were doing their final dances, and they were hitting 624 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.239 that drum. You can see off in the corner, off kind of a 625 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:58.320 little ways down off the kind of at the edge of the tree line, 626 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.159 you can see a big foot sitting there, kind of swaying, you know, 627 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:07.760 it was watching them. And so when the drum stopped, he walked, 628 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.480 he walked back, you know, back into the tree line. And 629 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:13.519 he said he sat there and watched him. He said, it wasn't you 630 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.039 know, it sat there for the entire final drum. I was like, 631 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.920 man, that's you know, that's of those When I heard that story, 632 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:24.639 I immediately got goose bubbs because you know, you you you know me. 633 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.960 I mean, I've experienced some things, but you know, when it comes 634 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.239 to you know, actually you know, seeing something that doesn't make sense to 635 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:37.039 you your mind, you know, and for it to be be there, 636 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:38.679 you know, I thought it was a pretty wicked story from him. And 637 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:44.480 and he's he's Pawny pawnny uh Pawny Indian. So but yeah, I had 638 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.559 heard I had heard multiple stories about that, and you know I had another 639 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:53.199 story. Um, you know back this isn't uh. I believe in talent 640 00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:58.239 wall. But they used to hear something scream, and it was it'd be 641 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.280 like a like a basic guitars and yale and it would go around the pow 642 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:07.480 Wow grounds wow, all the way around it, and it would stop for 643 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.199 a second and it would do it again. And I never can figure out 644 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:15.760 what that was. But most most ceremonial grounds and most pow Wow you know 645 00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:19.960 grounds are near some sort of water. So, yeah, and people always 646 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.320 say Bigfoot travels in those those waterways. You know, there's a lot of 647 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.760 stories of people encountering them around h old Indian graveyards too. Do you think 648 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:35.400 there's some sort of connection with that or do you think it's just because you 649 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.840 know, most of those graveyards are out in the woods anyways. Yeah, 650 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:43.920 you know, you know, we were I used to do some investigating back 651 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.719 when I was in high school and kind of early college days, and we 652 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:52.960 went out to the cemetery out in Brags Brags, America Brags, Oklahoma, 653 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:58.800 um, and we got to a certain point in the in the cemetery cemetery 654 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:00.920 was it was more wrecked, but it was like long ways, so the 655 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:05.159 more you walked into it, the more graves you saw. And it was 656 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.239 and it had the cemetery on the other side of the road. But this 657 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:13.400 was an older part of the cemetery, and we were walking down and and 658 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.639 and uh. As we were, you know, I started noticing hearing something 659 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.360 like it was following us. So it was matching our footsteps all the way 660 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.920 down. And I when we stopped, it stopped. And then when we 661 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.079 kind of kept going, it stopped, and you know, I heard my 662 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:34.039 spidy senses started kind of kicking in. I'm like, all right, you 663 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:38.239 know it's time to probably get on out of here and disrespecting someone where we 664 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:43.800 were disturbing. But I think a lot of my thought with that is we 665 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:49.119 don't you know, the big Foot, in my opinion, is here to 666 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:54.639 protect our force and our in our woods. And I know that's a belief 667 00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.840 of you know, some tribes and some native people, is they are protectors 668 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.920 of of our of our woods. I mean, you always hear those stories 669 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.559 of you know, when they're doing when they're chopping trees down, you know, 670 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.599 especially up in Pacific Northwest and places like that. You know, you 671 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:17.119 hear about them. You know, reckon uh, you know, the equipment 672 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.360 or turning you know, turning full bulldozers over and just doing all types of 673 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.400 crazy stuff and tormenting people. So you know, I believe, you know, 674 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:29.280 I believe that they're they're there for a purpose. Now that purpose, 675 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.199 you know, they could be washing over the cemetery or also could be you 676 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:35.880 know, um kind of coincidence. But I would say there was to be 677 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.119 something to it, because I it seems like a lot you know, a 678 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:44.440 lot of stories that I've heard about cemeteries. They always hear some type of 679 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.360 big foot activity out there. Um, I know that there's uh, there's 680 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:52.599 a grave site. Um now it's it's out and you fall. It's out 681 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.599 in west you fall, and there's an old cemetery that's not even marked. 682 00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:00.360 It's one of those old cemeteries. And they've always they've encountered some things out 683 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.480 there that's been like, you know, they'd see it almost like a face 684 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.400 in the woods, like watching them. You know, they wouldn't quite see 685 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.159 a face, but didn't look like a face. And they always felt like 686 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:13.639 somebody was watching them out there, making sure, I guess, making sure 687 00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:15.639 that those those souls are you know, those people are protected that are that 688 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:24.199 are buried there. You know. One of the more popular cryptids, especially 689 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.639 on the Internet, is the dog Man. You know, these werewolf type 690 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.960 creatures. Have you heard any Native stories about dogmen? Have there been any 691 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:39.639 sightings or anything like that? Yeah, I have a few. Um So, 692 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:45.440 I just released an episode on Dogman this past week. Um and I 693 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:50.320 do tell a story in that podcast about um So this is from this is 694 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:55.239 a Cherokee country And there was a lady she you know, she was reals 695 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.920 kind of scurity cat, didn't really want to, you know, deal with 696 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.679 any of the spooky stuff. Well, they heard some coyotes yelping one one 697 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:08.400 night out kind of uh off in the distance, and her cousins or family 698 00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:13.119 whoever, you know, younger guys were like, hey, let's go check 699 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.039 it out. And she's like, no, I'm not going out there. 700 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:22.159 So then they end up going out there, and you know, they all 701 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.840 all come running back hard, you know, real scared, and she goes, 702 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.039 what did you see? What did you see? What did you see? 703 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.559 And here they go, oh, He's like, man, we saw 704 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.360 this wolf. It was honest. It was standing up straight and it sounded 705 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.719 like a baby crying. It sounded like a little baby, you know, 706 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.400 like a baby you know, a wolf or something, you know, like 707 00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:46.159 a like a real small animal and it was this big you know, eight 708 00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:52.840 eight foot tall dog man or werewolf, you know type creature. And you 709 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.519 know, I've heard those stories. Um. You know there is one and 710 00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.519 I think and I know, I said, I don't know if it's Talent 711 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:04.039 Wall or if it's north of Talent Wall, but I know that there is 712 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.440 one that walks down the walks down the road of in one of those one 713 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:14.320 of those old roads. There is one that travels those roads and people have 714 00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:15.960 seen it walking like literally on this dirt road, walking in the middle of 715 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:22.559 the dirt road at night, just walking. Um. And you hear those 716 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.760 stories, you know from elders, um, but a lot of our stories 717 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:36.119 are more shape shifter stories. Um. You know, there was a gentleman 718 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:40.760 out of Kenwood. He gives me stories from Salina, Kenwood and those areas, 719 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:45.119 and he was telling me that there was these two Cherokee women who just 720 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.800 real beef, like had real beef their entire lives, like just can not 721 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:54.280 get over whatever they were fighting about. And they end up in the same 722 00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:00.239 nursing home and when they you know, at night, everybody would kind of 723 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:06.719 shut down all the nighttime. Nurses would sometimes uh these black dogs or black 724 00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:13.599 wolves walking the halls, going into each other's rooms. So you know, 725 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.039 I've heard different stories about that, you know, and it's it's it's a 726 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:21.199 lot. It's pretty pretty spooky. You know. I haven't experienced any dog 727 00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.760 men stuff, but you know that dog mean to most natives that we I 728 00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.800 think we consider it more shape shifter than we do dog mean. I would 729 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.360 say. That's another thing I was going to ask you about, just to 730 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:42.760 get your take on it. You know, somehow it became cool to start 731 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.880 including skin walkers in with cryptids, and uh, I just wanted to get 732 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:51.679 your take on a skin walker, what your thoughts are on them? Is 733 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.599 it something that people should even be talking about on the internet and the same 734 00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.800 breath as a cryptid? Yeah, in my opinion, though, they should 735 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:07.360 not be lumped in with cryptids. Um. You know Chris Christopher Honk hill 736 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.559 Um, he has worked with multiple tribes and he's a buddy and a you 737 00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.239 know, in a co host for Unsolved Mysteries. Um, he travels all 738 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.039 over the place, and he is you know, I trust I really really 739 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.880 love his opinion on this and and you know he I love the way, 740 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:29.599 you know, way he talks about this. But my opinion of it is, 741 00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:35.159 and he's told the story, it's not skinwalkers are not cryptids. They're 742 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.239 they're actual people like the's, people that can do things, UM. And 743 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:44.920 they're usually not not good people like they're not They're they're out there to get 744 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.280 something from you. UM. A story I was told and this is kind 745 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.920 of something I find very interesting. UM. You know, he said Christopher 746 00:53:53.920 --> 00:54:00.840 honk Hill. He had mentioned uh to us that he was at a at 747 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.239 a conference, you know, one of these Indian conferences that they have, 748 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.360 UM and this was I believe it was out in New Mexico. And one 749 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.079 of the ladies goes, hey, you know, we need to be careful 750 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.519 around here, since there's a lot of Indians around here. We need to 751 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.159 let people know that don't go that, don't go over here, you know, 752 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:21.800 or don't you know, don't don't do this, or don't do that, 753 00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.280 or make sure you're you're you're safe if you're gonna be out and about. 754 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.639 And Chris, being the guy he is, he said, well, 755 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:32.400 I don't take me to him, and you know, so the girl takes 756 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:37.719 him out there in this ATV or this Polaris vehicle and one thing that he 757 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.840 said that was kind of chilling to me is that it's you know, you 758 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.159 you can hear them, you can call him, you go to the spot 759 00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:50.280 where you believe that they are at, you can call them. And if 760 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.039 they sound like they're far away, they're close. And if they if they 761 00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:58.440 sound like they're close to you, that means they're far away. And that 762 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.280 always just kind of gave me a chill, like you know, they could 763 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:07.239 be. And so my opinion of it as I see people labeling uh, 764 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.519 skin walkers just you know, oh, this is like this like always, 765 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.960 and it's always some like pale, ball headed type you know being that they 766 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:21.880 say, and I'm you know, I'm but no, because you know, 767 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.800 my my thing is you know, you you're you're you're making light of things 768 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.719 that are very dangerous. Um. There are people that are being showed these 769 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:36.800 you know, that are that have these this knowledge and they can do very 770 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.280 bad things and people wonder. And this is another thing too that you know, 771 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:44.760 people that are non natives who like to you know, profit off Native 772 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:50.519 American information and culture, um like I see on YouTube and TikTok and things 773 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.679 of that nature. That could be why things go bad in your life and 774 00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:59.079 you don't know how to fix it because that's a different type of thing. 775 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:05.920 And you know, talking about these things, you know, like you know, 776 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:07.719 like my grandpa always says, if you look forward, it's going to 777 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.719 find you. If you just look hard enough, it's gonna find you. 778 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:20.880 Everyone I've talked to about it native wise, you know, it's I mean, 779 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.039 I know what they are, and it's not something you talk about because 780 00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:28.039 you don't. It's not someone you want to mess with. It's not something 781 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:32.800 it's not neat to see somebody or meet one or get one's attention or anything 782 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.800 like that. And I don't really know how they ended up as some kind 783 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.400 of creature, you know, to be lumped in with cryptids. It's it's 784 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.480 just kind of mind blowing. But it's certainly taken off on the Internet and 785 00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:51.320 become kind of a normal thing, you know, to talk about skinwalkers with 786 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.719 cryptids, and it's just kind of crazy to me. Well, it was 787 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:57.599 like a wind ago. Remember the wind ago was a hot thing about five 788 00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.840 years ago. Yeah, I mean anything with the wind to go, the 789 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.199 wind to go is a spirit that's not a that's that is not a a 790 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.079 flesh and blood type thing. Now it becomes that, yeah, it does, 791 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:14.360 but it's a spirit. It's of bad intent and of Campibellism. Those 792 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.960 tribes up Nor that's what they that's the wind to Go was not a a 793 00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:23.519 creature. It was what you It was someone who came that right, And 794 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:28.159 you know that's not just some like oh it's a it's a thing with Antlers. 795 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:30.000 You know, another movie Antlers came out, which they did a decent 796 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:35.320 job because that's what happens. That's exactly like Antlers is probably the most accurate 797 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.360 wind Togo movie because that's what happens. You you and you know you're doing 798 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.039 bad things and you know, you get crossed up with this bad spirit because 799 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.360 your life is terrible and you're trying to make it better. But then all 800 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.519 of a sudden, you know, you got you have to sacrifice something to 801 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.000 you know, to do this, and then that that bad spirit takes over 802 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:59.280 and that's what happens, and you know that's like it's I saw that too 803 00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.320 a couple of years ago. I said, man, they're they've been taking 804 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:06.400 all this stuff and trying to trying to read make Yeah. Yeah, so 805 00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:10.960 let me ask you this man, what is something out there that people don't 806 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:17.960 know about that you don't really hear people talking about that. You've heard stories 807 00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:24.719 and you know is out there, man. Okay, So I know this 808 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:30.840 is something in Native contative country in native lands, and it's a very prevalent 809 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:37.840 thing. Um. But one thing that really the most scared I've ever been 810 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:43.599 in my life and in hearing these stories and experiencing it for myself, there 811 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:51.679 is a creature, an entity of being called a tie snake. Now I'm 812 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.559 not going to give its name, it's it's Cherokee or its creek name, 813 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:07.079 um, but I call it tie snake um um. And this snake is 814 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:15.199 basically the king of the water. And how I was brought up to understand 815 00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:21.800 how this this being was is it travels through floods and they can shrink into 816 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.039 the smallest size it could be like a mole like on a molecule, but 817 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:30.199 like the smallest size half inch, until it can grow to like one hundred 818 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:37.480 feet long. And this snake, you know, has been you know, 819 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:43.360 the reason for you know, some things happening in native country and um, 820 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.000 you know native waters and things like that. I'm gonna tell you this is 821 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:50.639 a pretty long story, but I'm gonna tell it to you because this is 822 00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:55.840 what I experienced with this snake. I was a college kid at Northeastern State 823 00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:02.039 University in tallentqua Um. I used to float the Illinois River all the time. 824 01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:06.199 I loved it, you know, and that's you know, it brings 825 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:07.679 back a lot of good members thinking about that, because I've been on that 826 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:15.559 river basically my entire life. One afternoon, you know, you don't really 827 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.199 ask. You know, when you're younger, you don't really pay attention to 828 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:22.440 the news too much. You're not really worried about things like that. And 829 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:28.320 you know, that summer there was a lot of drownings. There was a 830 01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:32.239 lot of drownings. And we were floating the river and I happened to see 831 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.840 off to my right hand side there was a little boy. He was playing 832 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:40.880 on some branches that were sticking out of the water. And I thought to 833 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.320 myself, as a man, like a little little boy better be careful, 834 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.719 I said, man, that's the current could kid him. Because at this 835 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:52.199 time the water was kind of dark. It was as it was deeper than 836 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.519 it normally was, and I was thinking, you know, oh he better 837 01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.159 get off where even something's gonna happen to him. Well, we kept going 838 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:07.719 um and we get to this deep part of the river where it kind of 839 01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.719 it kind of curves left and it kind of goes back right, and then 840 01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:15.079 it curves back and left, and then you get to you know, you'll 841 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.760 get to you know, you start getting to the floating places where you could 842 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.480 you know, where you put your wrapt up. And I look up ahead 843 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:29.760 and I see the water and the water's moving different than on one side than 844 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:34.519 there is the other. So essentially we're moving in the correct direction of the 845 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:39.360 river, but half of the river is moving in the opposite direction. And 846 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:44.039 that's it. And you know, I remember in that moment, I was 847 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:45.519 like, wow, we need to get out. I have people, I 848 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.599 have friends in the river, like I have people you know, going, 849 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.559 you know, wilding out doing their thing. And so I drag everybody off. 850 01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:53.960 I'm like, hey, we need you got to get out now, 851 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:59.079 Like we gotta get out of water. And so we get out of the 852 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.840 water and I'm water and that that, you know, I said, it 853 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:05.239 looked like half the river. It was like the river was cut in half. 854 01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.679 One was going the normal way, the other way it was going to 855 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.840 the opposite way, that's crazy. And I thought that was yeah. I 856 01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:13.719 thought, you know, I was like, man, that's I said, 857 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:15.480 that's it. That's the that's the king. The King is moving through here. 858 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:22.280 And so we get off the river and I kind of find out that 859 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.760 same little boy who was on that deep end unneath those trees, he had 860 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:31.239 drowned. And and I never forget him. He was a little blinded boy. 861 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:35.800 And I went and kind of here recently here in the last kind of 862 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.760 six months, I kind of went back and looked at the Fox twenty three 863 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:44.519 report on that, and they said that basically he was just dragged underwater like 864 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:46.199 something. You know, it's like he just they say, the current got 865 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:52.840 him and the undertow got him. Um and that. But that river was 866 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:59.119 in bad shape that year. People were littering, people were just not respecting 867 01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.320 the water. And that's what that snake does is he protects the water. 868 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:07.440 He makes sure you respect the water, and it enforces those rules, you 869 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:12.840 know, whatever those rules may be. And and uh, you know, 870 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.440 there was there was a time in that same year, in that same summer, 871 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.880 I saved a girl from from from drowning. Um. I knew, 872 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:22.199 like I said, I knew that water really well, and I knew how 873 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:27.480 to swim it, and I knew how to kind of navigate it, and 874 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.679 and uh, she had kind of been bumped off and she fell backwards off 875 01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.960 into the water, and I look and I kind of washed her to make 876 01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.199 sure she got back up, but she never came back up, and she 877 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:43.079 didn't have a life checking on or anything. And so I I kind of 878 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.519 dived down and this water's really murky, and I dove down and I pulled 879 01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:50.159 her back up and and you know, I was only it was a struggle 880 01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.119 to get her back up. You know, I had to pull on the 881 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:53.000 raft, and you know, people are like, what are you doing? 882 01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.280 You know, I was like, hang on, I'm trying to, you 883 01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:59.320 know, pull this girl up. And you know, I pull her up 884 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:02.360 and she goes, something was pulling me down. I'm like, what do 885 01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:04.880 you mean. I actually kind of I put her back on the raft. 886 01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:10.239 So something was pulling me down. I don't know, I don't know what 887 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:15.400 it was. And so I said that, uh, you know, kind 888 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.559 of to end these these stories. That next following summer, it was that 889 01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:26.440 was the flood of that that Talpol flood that basically destroyed all those floating places, 890 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:30.239 all those cabins down there, you know, one of the craziest floods 891 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:34.320 ever. And then that on that river, it was it was telling us 892 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.159 that, hey, I'm I'm coming and I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure these 893 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:43.440 these these waters are right. And then after that the one, you know, 894 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.239 the Illinois River water has been so nice. It's it's it's really cleaned 895 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:51.440 up since that flood. And I said, they they do that, they 896 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:56.679 bring rain, they flood waters, and that's how they moved to They moved 897 01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:59.639 through those flood waters. So you know, people always sy oh, well, 898 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:01.639 you know there's one snake. There could be there could be hundreds of 899 01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:06.800 these snakes in this water. We don't know, but you know that those 900 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:14.280 are that's a that's a a cryptid or a being or a creature that I 901 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:15.480 don't think a lot of people talk about, and I think people need to 902 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:19.360 be worried about because yeah, you know, you always hear about the octopus 903 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:24.079 and you fall up that people, you know, that's that snake. That 904 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.880 snake is that snake can do those things. It can I can have multiple 905 01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:31.000 things, you know, it can have antlers um a telltale sign of this 906 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.559 snake is, especially when you follow. If you if people were you follow 907 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.840 and they go out to that that lake. If you ever hear moving in 908 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.920 the middle of that lake, it's not a cow, it's that snake letting 909 01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:47.840 you know it's coming. Yeah, I've you know, we had a place 910 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:55.400 up on Lake Hudson growing up and uh out by prior and I saw something 911 01:05:55.440 --> 01:06:00.199 in that water. I never knew what it was, but it looked like 912 01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:06.920 a giant snake, but it was white, and you know, at first 913 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.320 I thought it was just a I couldn't figure it out. I thought it 914 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:14.840 was like a big long rock or something, because you know, I could 915 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:18.519 see like the head shape and everything. It was about a foot under the 916 01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:23.239 water, was pretty close to the bank, and I'm sitting there looking at 917 01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.719 trying to figure out what that, you know, white thing is. And 918 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.000 the more I'm looking at, the more I'm realizing, like, that looks 919 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:35.719 like a snakehead. And about that time it just slowly pulled back down into 920 01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:41.639 the deeper water where I couldn't see it anymore. And then years later, 921 01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:45.559 a buddy of mine, he was my best friend at the time. He 922 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:49.840 was Creek and he lived out in Kellyville, and he saw something out there 923 01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:56.320 at like Hayburn that freaking him out pretty bad out in the water that he 924 01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.000 also described as a snake, but it was as big around as a log, 925 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:05.159 had stuck its head out of the water and everything. But yeah, 926 01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:08.880 that's interesting, man. You know, Like I said, I had family 927 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:12.519 in Tallaqua, and none of them would go in the river, man, 928 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.039 none of them they did. And as a kid going up there, and 929 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.280 like I'd go and stay a few weeks during the summer and stuff, and 930 01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:21.480 you know, they stay out of the river. Don't go to the river. 931 01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:25.679 We're not going to the river, you know. And anybody who lives 932 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:30.599 in this part of Oklahoma knows back in the day people drowning that river all 933 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:35.760 the time. And it's weird because I mean, it's just a river, 934 01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:39.119 man, it's a float river. You know, there's no reason for that 935 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:42.760 many people to be drowning out there. And they don't report none of it. 936 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.239 They don't you hear about it. But oh yeah, they had like 937 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.079 you know, like I remember years after that, and even years before that, 938 01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:50.639 you know, they'd say, oh, you know, man, we 939 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.079 saw a bunch of mts pulling somebody out of the water, you know, 940 01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.079 or you know, we we saw a police or fire or whoever you know, 941 01:07:57.559 --> 01:08:00.440 jumping down into the banks off to the saycause there used to be a 942 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.480 road that kind of you can jump into the to get into the river. 943 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.440 And they're like, oh, yeah, we saw someone getting pulled out. 944 01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:09.320 It's like, you know, you don't think nothing of it at the time, 945 01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:13.760 but like that's one thing too. Then you know they I'm not saying 946 01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:17.520 that authorities aren't aware of these things, but they know. I mean they 947 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:23.520 know they have to. They got to. So I've noticed what the Unsolved 948 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:30.880 Mysteries podcast, you guys are going to start doing investigations. Yeah, that's 949 01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:33.960 something that we uh we started. Um, we actually did an investigation in 950 01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:41.119 Glimpool at a recreation center at my former former job. We we we did 951 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:45.680 one then and then we we did investigations after, um, you know multiple 952 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.119 uh you know, storytelling a bits that we've had and and that's something that 953 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:54.239 like we wanted to kind of expand out too, because you know, you 954 01:08:55.039 --> 01:09:00.159 like to experience people's stories. To me as the ultimate you know, is 955 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:03.119 the ultimate almost like prize, like you know, to say, you know, 956 01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:06.479 someone, hey there's something going on in this Indian Health Service building. 957 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:13.279 Um, you know this cabinet moved, or you know this door shut or 958 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.840 I heard someone laughing. You know sometimes you know, you kind of hear 959 01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.560 those stories. You just think, you know, it's not it hasn't happened 960 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:21.680 to me, and you kind of just you know, it is a creepy 961 01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:24.640 story, but you kind of just put it in the back of your mind. 962 01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:28.079 But to actually experience it, you know, to me, is kind 963 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.399 of cool. So, yeah, that's something that we're working on. I 964 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.239 know, we got a few places I know that we we've been in contact 965 01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:39.359 with some paranormal associations around here. So, um, you know it is 966 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.319 it is something that's being worked on. Cool. Well, where else can 967 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:48.119 people find you? What's the best way to check you out? So you 968 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:51.880 can find me on Facebook the whole of tiger Um. If you add me 969 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:55.359 on Facebook, send me a message and say, hey, I listen to 970 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:57.880 the podcast or I heard you know, don't just send me a message and 971 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.800 accept me to accept it. Send me a messag let me know that you 972 01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:04.279 heard me from home on here. Um TikTok one man ban nine one eight 973 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:11.039 Twitter one man ban nine one eight um and then the podcast is available. 974 01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:15.840 War Cry podcast is available on Apples, Spotify, basically anywhere you can. 975 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:19.079 You can get it um and then install. Missies of the Reservation is also 976 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:25.880 available basically everywhere. Um. And you're just type an unsolving Missies of the 977 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:30.560 Reservation on Facebook and TikTok and you'll find us on there. And uh, 978 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:32.279 Matt, I can't say man enough, I appreciate you having me on. 979 01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:35.000 Man, this is uh whom I have to do a part too. I 980 01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:38.920 know, I got some more stories. Yeah, I was just waiting for 981 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:40.840 you to quit talk and I was gonna tell you, man, you're gonna 982 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.319 have to come back on again for sure, man. And uh, hopefully 983 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:47.159 this is the beginning of a blossoming friendship. Man. Yeah, yeah, 984 01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:50.439 for sure, I've enjoyed it. Thanks so much for coming on and speaking 985 01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:55.479 candidly about these things. I know what a big deal it is. And 986 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:59.680 hopefully the listeners enjoyed it and realize it too. And uh, yeah, 987 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.319 man, I just really appreciate it. And congratulations again on becoming a father 988 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:10.079 for another time. Good luck with that. I appreciate, I appreciate it. 989 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:16.039 Hashtag girl Dad your girl Dad, Girl dadtime man all right, And 990 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.039 If you've had your own encounter that you want to share with me, email 991 01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:24.880 me Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. 992 01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:29.800 You can find links to all the social media, contact information, merchandise, 993 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:32.199 everything you need, all in one place. And until next time, 994 01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:34.479 I remember there's something in the woods.