Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. This is Matt and I am joined by a very
special guest. I have been trying to get to come on the show forever
and can you believe this guy? He had the excuse of, Hey,
man, I'm having my second daughter. Can we wait until next week?
Mister Yahola Tiger of the war Cry Podcast, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Sir,
Hey, how's it going, man? I mean yeah, I had
to. I had to. I had to ditch you a little bit.
Man. Sorry, I had to make sure that you were you know,
you were waiting, you know. Yeah, I like build up that anticipation.
Yeah, you know, And like I've always been a fan of you
know, this show. You know you You've done a lot of good stuff
when it comes to the cryptic community, and so it's really, honestly for
me, it's an honor to it to be on. Oh too kind,
too kind. I'm just another oaky man and oky with interest and weird stuff
like you. Yeah, yeah, no doubt at all. Yeah. So
you're originally from Taloqua, that's it, yeph born and raised, talent quality
at its finest um. Yeah, especially in the Northeast area. You know,
check You Nation Reservation, you know, every time that I do a
podcast or you know, any type of you know thing that I do.
And I also have another podcast called Unsolved Misues at the Reservation with Christopher Rompey
Hill, Russell sun Eagle, and Tyler Randall. And I always got a
shout out to talk Quaw and Talaqua area. So yep, there's that shout
out of Talaqua. If y'all y'all listen from there. Yeah, the Qua.
I'd love to hear from some Tallequah listeners. That would be awesome.
I don't know if I have any or not. A lot of people may
not even know, Like what are they even saying? Tallequa? Yeah?
And uh yeah, it's the capital of the Cherokee Nation, a pretty important
place, man. So tell me some Tallequa stories, man, that's what
I want to hear first. For sure. I know there's some crazy stuff
going on around Taalaquaw. And you are someone that seems, you know,
connected to everybody. Man, you got tons of great stories, So hit
me, man, what do you got? So? Okay, So,
like I said, I'm going to raise Talaqua. I know I'm a laire
about it. If you hear the name Tiger in that area, people probably
you know point me out or put my grandpa out or even my dad.
And so um. One thing you know about that area, there's so many
spots where there's been either you know, things happen when it comes to you
know, bad energy or you know deaths. Uh, you know, can
be really anything. We got some crypto, you got a lot of crypto
activity out there. Um. But the first story I'm going to tell you,
and this is a story. You know, I've told this story on
multiple you know, podcasts before, but I'm going to tell this story because
I think it's important to who I am and where my stories come from.
UM. So there's a park, um and it's called mural Home Park.
Um. It is technically park Hill, um, but it's it's in the
Telequaw vicinity. And you know, guy, I used to grow up,
I grew I grew up there, playing in the creek down there and and
messing around at that house. This story, um is from my grandpa,
and he would tell the story um pretty often, but you know he'd always
tell it in kind of a you know, make sure you're you're careful with
things. And this little this how the story goes, is this this young
boy he was not acting right, you know, not really listening to his
parents and you know, not really doing right and doing what's right. He
used to sneak out a lot, and when he'd go down, you know,
to this Tomorrow Home park, he messed around down there. One night,
he snuck out and he was making his way to the park and got
to the park. He looks down he sees this fire. He goes,
what is that? I don't know what that is? I guess I go
check it out. And he goes down there and he got to kind of
walk down this it's kind of it goes into a bank, but then it
has us old kind of underneath the bridge kinda as you get down into the
creek, and he sees this man down there in the robe and he's kind
of like, hmm. Guy welcomes and says, hey, you know,
young man, what's what's going on with you? You know, come hang
down, let's tell some stories. Let's let's let's talk a little bit.
And so they're talking and you know, it's getting real late, and the
young man, you know, he realizes it's getting kind of real late,
and he notices the fire is going down, and the guy in the kind
of this kind of overcoat said, hey, don't worry about it. Don't
worry about it. I'll get some more I'll get some more wood, and
I'll get this fire going back, get it back to how it was.
And the young, the young you know boy, he's okay, yeah,
that sounds all right. You know it's I don't know what time it is,
but I feel like we've got some time to hang out more, you
know, chat. And as the man gets up and it's in his overcoat,
the boy looks up and he goes he's really tall, he's really tall,
and he looks down, and the man had hoofs for feet. Oh
man, But the boy took off running. He got he he he got
home and you know he Sometimes that's you need those wake up calls to act
right. And that's a story my grandpa always told you know about you know
that he had heard kind of in that area. Um, but like I
said, there's so many crazy things out there, and you know that park,
there had been multiple suicides out there, and people would always say they
saw shadow people out there on the trails, especially when you get an early
morning or late at night, you know. Growing up, Like I said,
I was running around down there, and we'd be out there kind of
getting you know, not late, but just kind of where it starts getting
dust. And there's also and I'm not you know, I don't know.
I guess I guess I'll go full blasts and save the names of these things.
But um, you know, I know people, you know, you
know, some people call them, you know, the wind days. Some
people call them leper cons, but we um five civilized tribes, we call
them little people. They're out there too as well. And I'll tell you
a story, another story. So I was a little boy growing up at
that at that park, you know, my elementary school with all wildcats,
you know, I shout out to them to that school. You know,
I graduated from there as a young young buck um. But we had a
four age or it was like an Earth Day. It was some type of
event that was going on. It was right before the time change. I've
been a month before the time change, and so they guy was still getting
dark pretty early, about five thirty ish, and it had run a little
late, and we were kind of you know, getting back kind of late
on the on the school bus. So we stopped at about four o'clock to
kind of hang out and and at Moral Home Park to be you know,
we're hanging out Moral Home Park and you know, we all they decided let's
play hide and go seek out and out in those trails. So if if
you guys, you know at home listening, if you google Moral Home Park,
you'll see that there's a bridge that leads one loan bridge that leads into
this trail. Into the trail goes left, right, and forward and up
the middle. The further you get, the higher the trail goes. And
I always knew when it starts getting dust like this, you don't go up
to the higher trails, because that's what they say. That's where I was
told that, you know, those people you know committed you know, let
you know, commit suicide up there. And so we're playing down at the
bottom level. It's still pretty light outside, and we're running around and I
get tagged it. You know, I'm the person that's supposed to be catching
people. So I'm running and i'm running. I see this this shadow of
this smaller person, and I'm thinking that's one of my classmates, and I'm
chasing. I'm rarely running, really trying to catch it, getting about,
you know, one foot a couple of feet away from this thing, and
almost about to get them in right as I go to get them, I
miss them, and they take off a little faster. And as they as
they keep going, Um, I started realizing I'm not on the trail anymore,
and I'm not quite on the main path and being you know and living
out there and not living out there, but you know, being out there
a lot growing up. I kind of started to realize I'm not on the
trail anymore, and I'm going off to this game trail and I'm starting to
realize that, and I go, I'll kind to look around and say,
oh, I'm not nowhere where I need to be. You know, that's
what they do to you. That's what you know, some of these shadow
things do, or you know, little people, you know, they they
they distract you, and that's what they do two younger kids. Because I
think it's because of the innocence thing. Kids don't really know, you know,
they really don't know what they you know, what adults know. And
you know, I realized that because like I was always very aware of weird
things growing up, Grandpa will always be telling us I listened to him.
You know, all my other cousins will kind of be laughing around, and
oh that's you know, they ain't nothing out there like that. And I
took this serious. I really took it serious. Um. And you know
that's an example of that moment where I you know, I took my grandpa
and my grandma. You know, she was she's full blood, both my
grandpa's full blood Creek and my Stoga Creek, and um, my grandma was
a mix of a mosh posh of kay Wood shining a Rapaho um and Cherokee.
And so they knew things and they you know, you always got to
listen, you know, to your elders. And that's one thing that I
try to do growing up is listen to them, like, hey, if
they don't look right, it don't sound right, it's probably not right.
And that in that story, you know that you know, me getting kind
of distracted off, you know, you know that's how you know, we
always talk about or not we but you know most people always talk about those
missing people. How you know they get kind of you know, how do
they get twenty five miles away? You know, that's kind of a crazy
little thing to think about. But but yeah, those are a couple of
stories, you know, kind of starting out as as a young young kid
in talent call um, you know that. You know that very interesting,
very you know, something I think about quite quite a bit. Yeah,
you know, uh, growing up in Oklahoma, Uh, myself as a
non native, but having lots of native friends, growing up, my family,
friends with other families and stuff. You know, you hear a lot
of weird stuff like this. You hear about a lot of things, but
people don't understand that these aren't just stories. This stuff really does happen,
and these things are real. And one time I was briefly talking to another
guy from Oklahoma on the show about you know, dear woman, and somebody
made the comment, you know that, well, this is why people don't
take bigfoot seriously, because it gets lumped in with all this other stuff that's
made up. It was just like, man, buddy, careful, now,
careful. Now, we're not even supposed to be talking about this.
And I went out on a limb and talked about it, and now here
you are doing that. This stuffs. Really, you know, I don't
really like to talk about it much. But I mean, I'm pretty sure
that I had a little people encounter one time right here in the middle of
Tulsa. It was the first house that I lived in on my own after
moving out. I was eighteen, and the previous owner of the house,
the people that owned it, their son had been living there, and I
guess he had a drug problem and he had overdosed in the house. I
don't know if it was intentional or not, but whenever I was moving in,
there was a little Native lady that lived in the house behind it,
and she came over and introduced herself, and she said, I just wanted
you to know that whenever the house was empty, I heard that someone was
moving in, and I smoked the house for you because there was some negative
spirits in here, bad energy. And I think during everything, you know,
I appreciate I was familiar with, you know, what she had done
and everything. And she said, oh, by the way, there's also
little people around here. I leave food out behind my house for him,
so if you see him, don't be afraid. They won't mess with you
or anything. And I just kind of like, okay, I mean,
I had heard of little people before, but we're in the middle of Tulsa,
you know, like it wasn't that I didn't believe. It was just
like, okay, well, you know, I yeah, I just didn't
take it too serious. And one night I was sitting out on the front
porch and there's a the shrub at the corner of the porch. It's an
old wooden porch, you know, covered porch, and so like I'm sitting
on the steps and the bush is at the corner of the porch, and
then there's a gap between the bush and the front corner of the house at
the end of the porch, and I kind of saw something catch my eye,
some movement by the front of the bush, but I couldn't quite see.
I mean, you know, it's the middle of the night, it's
dark out. I don't have any lights or anything. And I thought it
was a cat or something like a stray cat at first, and so it
kind of runs around the corner of the bush, and I see the bush
shake a little bit. So I'm looking at the gap at the end of
the porch between the bush in the corner of the house. But a cat
didn't run by what I saw. I mean, it literally looked like a
little person about two feet tall or so. I could see from basically the
waist up, because that was the part that was above the porch, you
know, that I could see. And it looked pretty uniform in color.
It was dark head to toe or whatever. Everything I could see was darker
in color. It didn't seem black in color. It seemed brown. But
the weirdest part about it, man, is it looked like it was wearing
some kind of clothing, like homemade clothing or something, some kind of shirt.
And I mean, it just ran fast right past that opening at the
end of the porch. I was probably, I don't know, about eight
feet away from it, and I saw it, and I jumped up,
and I ran around the end of the porch and looked down between the houses,
you know, and uh, there wasn't nothing there. I couldn't see
anything. And I thought about going down the side of the house, uh,
you know, to see if it was in the back or something,
and uh, I decided against it. I just went inside the house.
And I mean that house had all kinds of you know, paranormal stuff going
on. Just wasn't a good place for me to be living anyways. Um,
But yeah, I thought that was the darnest thing. I mean,
from that point on, I took it real serious. You know, I
didn't question that kind of stuff no more. Yeah. You know that's one
thing too that you know, I've we've I've discussed it and you know,
unsolved missies in the reservation uh Fellas. We we've discussed this, you know,
on a on a podcast episode about about little people and this land that
that sits you know, in the north east from park or the northeast,
but then going into like where Tulsa is, you know, that's all that
land used to not be what it is today. And one thing that that
as mankind has kind of you know, taken over you know us, you
know, human beings. We start making places our home. We don't realize
and a lot of people, non natives don't realize this. But you know,
you could be building, you know, you see this pot of land
that's got two acres and you know, and and you know it's got real,
real nice creep behind it. It's just a beautiful spot. But you
don't realize that could be someone that could be something's home and you build,
you know, on things and you and one thing about little people, they
do have trails, um, and they do you travel them. And it
sounds like that lady was not I'm not gonna say, protecting the neighborhood,
but almost kind of helping y'all out. Yeah, because y'all might have been
on y'all's houses, might have could have been on the couple of their trails.
And and that's how that's how you you, uh, you make peace
with them, is by offering them. They called a food plate, some
people called a spirit plate. That's for people that have passed on. But
you know those plates, uh you know that A funny, you know,
really funny story about my grandma. When she was growing up, she didn't
have a door or window. Um, this is out in bunch, Oklahoma.
Um. She should never really like to tell this story, but I
had to get it out of her, you know, as I got older,
I said, hey, tell me that story about you saw that that
little person. And she was a little girl, you know, real little.
And one night she was uh, you know, laying because I said,
there was one room, no door that had an old you know ended
blanket over the door, and you know they had it was a real,
real poor house. And one night she was sitting there and laying laying in
her bed, and she kind of heard something rustling around and she looked and
there was a she's a little a little real little person um and you know,
grabbing stuff off the you know, off this plate that was left.
And she thought was like, okay, well, I don't that's I don't
know, maybe I'm seeing things. And so she asked her her family member,
and the family says, yeah, we we built a house accidentally on
their trail, and we have to make sure that we we make peace with
them and let them know that we're sorry and that we uh and that we
that we respect them. Well, then you know, a couple of nights
later she ended up seeing it. It's and and and I'm giving this is
kind of some you know inside you know inside kind of information, not inside
information, but you know, some information. But you know, they they
dressed in that old style. That's how they dress. It's uh, and
it's not I don't want to say people was always buckskin, and you know,
it's not not really that. It's could be deer hide or you know,
it could be you know, it could be anything. You know,
they how they dressed in the old way, and that's what they look like.
But you know there's two different there's multiple kinds of little people too.
Um. You know, you got the kind that's that's going to help you
and the kind that's more trickster like. Um. And you know those guys
they dressed a little bit more tattered clothing as if like they're homeless, and
they they're those are the kind those are the the types that make you lose
your mind a little bit. Like if you're out, you know, kind
of in the woods, or you know, you could be walking down the
road, you know, and you know your sidewalk and all of sudden you
kind of see something. You're like, oh, what does that? And
you keep falling and next you know you're, you know, fifteen miles away
from your house or something. Crazy. Um. You know, they you
know they do. You know another kind of thing that they do is that
they they work time. So they put something. Someone said this, you
know the greatest way I've ever heard it said, and I cannot remember how
I said it, but essentially they pull land masks together, they let you
walk through it, and then they pull it back at how it was.
And I can't remember how they explain that. But if that makes sense exactly
and then they pull you through and then you're where you're at, you know,
miles away. I've heard that too. And so like I said,
those those those beings, I said, I'm real kind of you know,
there should be some natives listening to this, like all he's telling all the
secrets. But yeah, you know, my my thing is is I'm very
I'm very cautious when I talk about them. Um. You know, every
time I talk about these things, I always you always, I always take
care of myself. Um. And that's one thing that, um, if
you know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about. But
you know, as I make sure we do that, I do that,
you know, like when we get off here, I'll do I'll take care
of myself and take care of my house and my family. But you know
that's one thing that you know, with our with our Unsolvedashes of the Reservation
podcasts, you know, we get a little flat from that when we start
talking about the these real beings, these are real things. Um. You
know, we get stories from people, and I get stories from people all
over Indian country, all over the place, you know, all over the
country, non natives too. You know that they tell like, hey,
I think I might have seen one, or I might have seen or you
know, you know, I had a non native relative who got who got
basically taken off by them. Oh wow, you know he got he got
he was hunting, he was out hunting, and all next thing, you
know, he's like fifteen you know, I don't know the distance, but
he's a he's a good amount away from his truck and he wasn't nowhere near
where he was supposed to be. Um And so they do that, they
do the missing time, and they do they do things like that. I
was going to ask you if you do get any sort of you know,
flack or heat for talking about some of these things, because you know,
from the episodes of your podcast that I've listened to, you know, you
talk pretty openly about a lot of stuff, and I know a lot of
natives are like, man, we don't talk about that stuff. You know,
you're not supposed to talk about it, you know, for the very
reasons that you're you know talking about, you know, taking care of yourself
in your house afterward. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's you
know that I'm gonna be honest with you know, like we you know,
we on my podcast Warcraft Podcasts and also Unsolved, you know, we we
do get we do get some heat from some people. And you know,
it is what it is, you know, I mean, it's it's a
and I'm gonna say this, you know, And no disrespect to the elders
or anybody who's old head, but you're an old head. We're in twenty
twenty three. We are losing our culture. You know, some of the
stories that I was told growing up. I asked some people with my same
age and they don't know nothing about it. And I get, you know,
I get real not emotional, but I get real passionate about that,
um because you know, you say, we're not supposed to talk about these
things, but a lot of a lot of our natives and the relatives actually
then don't know nothing about it. You know. That's one thing that you
know, people like you know, I could use you for an example,
that house that you were in that you didn't know, um, you know,
you didn't know what was going on, and it's causing you problems,
health problems, mental problems that we cause you all types of these problems.
And if you don't know what it is and what the symptoms are and what
you know, what's going on? You know, you how can you take
care of yourself if you don't know that, you know, little people running
around or um you got miss and going on happening and and things like that
that are better affecting you. And so I think we do a lot.
I do a lot of my my information telling just to help people out.
And that's really what it comes down to. Um is helping because somebody,
like I said, some people just don't know, you know. So let's
talk about bigfoot man young any Talentqua Bigfoot stories because let me tell you something.
I don't know if you're familiar with them or not, but I've got
family in Taalaqua. My uncle was pretty well known. He was Judge Bliss,
Judge Bill Bliss. Oh okay, yeah, I do I know that
name. Yeah, and uh, you know he's passed on now. But
I had gotten into bigfoot before he passed away. And you know, he
didn't make fun of me for it. You know, he would talk to
me about it and everything. And I'd always asked him, you know,
tell me some Bigfoot stories about tall Aqua. I know you got sorry,
you know, And because a few times it's been on the news and stuff.
I remember growing up as a kid, you know, there was some
stuff going on out there, and he told me that, you know,
one of the deputies there in tall Quah went out and took a report and
like saw tracks and everything else and was completely convinced that they were real.
Lots of stories, you know about stuff around, you know, the Illinois
Reverend everything. So do you ever hear anything from out there? Maybe a
pumpkin hollow or something. Um, So, yeah, I've heard some stories.
I you know, I'm not gonna say quite a bit, but I've
heard quite quite a few stories. Um. First story that comes to mind
is, so when you're entering Talent Wall from um and I can't think of
the highway or the inners or whatever it's called highway that you're as you're going
into Talent Wall, you got a cheer connation on your right and you're going
on down. You go through the light and now there's a case he's in
the casino that we're out there on the right hand side as you're getting into
main Talent Wall. Well, that used to be a golf course and that
used to be a pastor right out there. Years ago. Yeah, you
know, I had my my dad's best friend. He was traveling down that
backside road that goes next to the golf course but next next to that pastor,
and he was driving, I don't know, for some reason, he
slowed down because I think he saw something and the he doesn't really quite know
why he did this, but he thought he saw something off on the right
hand side, so he slowed down to kind of maybe not hit it,
you know, maybe not a bit of deer or something, because deer real
big in that area. And when he did, he hit his brakes and
as he hit his brakes, he saw something tall and Harry go right next
to his car. You know, it literally passed right where his headlights,
like he could see basically the kind of I'd probably say probably quads, yea,
But it just was real quick, you know, like and you know,
in the in the tel lights and you know, I know, Ohnul,
you're probably gonna ask me what my theory is on big Foot, because
I know I feel like that's a question that's asked all the time. But
you know, when he saw that, he he didn't remember if we're about
you know, up until about a year ago, huh, and he had
told that story to my to my dad. This is probably and I don't
know how I remember the story. I just remember stories that hit me.
I guess impact me. I guess because I guess I traveled down that road
a lot, you know, growing up. And I said, you know,
I said to my desk, I may remember when he told that story
about that, and he goes, man, I remember something like that,
you know, And so he asked him. He said, I don't remember
any story like that, huh. And I'm kind of like so then I
asked him again, I said, you remember that. So he had kind
of sat back because he had told the story being mine, this is twenty
years ago when he told the story to my dad, and my dad had
related to me I might have been eight years old, and you know,
so he related. So then he sat and he kind of thought, he
said, man, I it's almost like it like it wiped my mind.
And you know, it gets into kind of some theories on that, but
you know, that's kind of the stories he you know, he saw the
you know, the creature literally right off his his tail lights, walk all
the way to the other side of the pasture. Um, and that's it's
a real simple encounter. But there's more to that. And and I don't
want to get too far along. I know you want to hear and well,
we'll talk some more stories. But that's very interesting to me. It's
interesting. Well let's just go ahead and talk about that. I mean,
we you know, we can get back to the stories. But I'm interested
in hearing you know, your take on stuff, because you know, you
hear different things and I'm not so sure. You know, I'm not at
the same place I used to be, you used to be out of strictly,
this is flesh and blood. This is just an undiscovered animal of some
kind. It's you know, higher intelligence primate or something like that. And
the more I've gone and the more stories I've heard, and you know a
few things that I experienced that you know, left me kind of wandering.
Uh, I'm interested to hear what your take is, especially with you know,
saying he kind of felt like he had his mind wiped. So I
say that, and he, you know, like I said, he you
know, kind of didn't relay the same story back to me, and I'm
just like, man, that's crazy. So kind of what my thought is
on that is I believe Bigfoot has has abilities and knowledge that we humans don't
have currently. And it's not a technology thing. It's not it's not an
AI, it's not any type of you know, you know, something other
than what the Creator has given us. And what the Creator has given us,
you know, we have lost that as we've gained technology. And when
he says his mind was wiped, they do that to you. You know.
I hear people talk about cloaking. That's a that's a huge thing.
People always talking about cloaking. I see it all over people every Facebook group.
And yeah, I'm gonna tell you what cloak that is, and I'll
and I'll tell a story with it. And this is my opinion. This
is only you know, from what I gathered and hearing these stories. My
grandpa back he knew something. He knew some things. And when I say
do some things, that means he knew how to do some do things to
make things easier. In terms of medicine or magic, Native people called Native
American magic, and that's kind of what I've heard non natives call it.
I call it medicine. I call it medicine too. You're all right,
okay, So I just want to make sure I clarified that. So people
were like, what is he talking about medicine, Like I be profen.
Yeah. Uh, you know he worked at he worked at an all an
All Native College, uh fro about from you know, his entire career.
He retired there. It's a Muskogee um at bake Home College and Shogi and
they were going through some turmoil years, you know, when he was kind
of getting towards the end of his time there. And you know, one
thing he always told me, he said, you can hide yourself, but
the only people that can find you are the people that are looking for you.
And that always stuck with me, and it's stuck with me. And
he told me that. You know, I might have been in elementary school
or maybe even middle school when he told me that. And I relate to
Bigfoot because they know things too. You know. People talk, like I
said, talk about cloaky. If they don't want you, if they don't
want you, if they don't want to be seen by you, you will
not see them. And it has nothing to do with any type of electronical
you know, or any type of AI system or yeah, you know Harry
Potter Cloak. You know, nothing like that they they will not be I
know, people say, oh, whether they're camouflage, they got their hair
blends in with the trees. That's yeah, that is a part of it.
But they can they can make themselves disappear. I know Seminoles believe that.
I know, Muscogee Creeks believe that, the Cherokees believe that. Um,
I know, Choctaw believe that, and you know, so on and
so forth, you know, And when it comes to them as a as
an entity or a being, I don't believe they come from outer space.
I don't believe they travel through portals. I don't believe I don't believe that
they they Um, what's a I'm trying to think all these series of people
have Yeah, I know. I mean what I believe is they've been here
longer than we have been. I believe that they. I believe because the
ancient the ancient Indians tell us, you know, and they you know,
and stories have been passed down from a long time ago that they were here,
you know, and we lived in uh we lived in uh cohesion with
them, and that we offered them things and then they offered they gave us
things back, and they did those things for us. And that's that goes
all the way back to every tribe, you know, knowing the man,
They've had these stories and you know, I make you know, that's just
kind of my belief of it. What happens is is once you once a
generation is gone, the next generation doesn't doesn't know what the last generation knew.
So you know, we look back, you know, you know,
to the old days, the ancient ways, you know, and that medicine
was so strong, it was so strong. I mean it may it makes
today's medicine look like, you know, like you said, it's like trying
to put a band aid on a on a you know, gash, you
know, like you've been ripped open. That's what it looks like. You
know, that medicine was so strong, and every generation it gets a little
bit weaker because it's not being fully to pass down. Now, not saying
that there isn't people out there that know the full ways, but it's less
people, is what I'm saying. Same thing that I believe with Bigfoot,
the Cherokeees called in the Secret Tribe, we call them the Secret Tribe,
is because they're we believe that they're people, that they are people not people
in the sense of human beings, but they're they're their own people. It's
like, and my belief is is that their medicine has gotten weaker and weaker
through the generation, so not every single one of them can do it,
much like I don't practice medicine much like you know, you know some guy,
you know God would here done practice medicine, but this person does over
here. I much. That's that's how I view it. I view it
as in, you know, the losing of the culture and the losing of
this medicine. I equate equate the same thing to bigfoot, And I believe
that's what it is, because you know, there you do have some that
cloak, but then you also have some that just it's almost like they swat
down and they're gone, or you know, or they um or like they'll
take a step into a tree and like the person you know will won't you
know, they'll keep recording, but they then they'll just disappear, you know.
I I believe, I said, I believe that when they want you,
they when they want to be seen, they'll be seen. You know.
That makes a lot of sense, at least to me, especially the
part about some of them, you know, still able to practice medicine and
do things that others can't, you know, especially in the sense of them
having a culture and being a type of people, it would make sense for
that same situation to be happening in their culture as is happening in your mum.
So that's really interesting because I've always wondered, you know, like well,
why didn't this one, you know, like how why did I see
one? Why didn't it just cloak or turn invisible if they can do that.
But what you're saying, you know, makes a lot of sense and
explains that. Yeah, and yeah, that'sp thing that you know. You
know, there there may be some people to disagree, and that's fine.
I don't I don't don't mind that because I know each person has a different
experience and I'm not a researcher, but what I am as a story collector
in a storytelling and from what I hear and you know, from what I've
been you know, you know, given in terms of information, that's just
the that's the best I can do at this time. You know, I
said I used to believe. I don't say I really used to believe that
they came through portals because I couldn't. It didn't make sense of how they
were disappearing, like they'd stepped behind a tree and then be gone, and
people, you know, are they would are they you know they are?
Foot tracks would end up, you know, you'd be falling them all the
way down and you'd be tracking the foot footprints and then all of a sudden
they're gone. Now, that to me never made sense. So I was
thinking maybe that they were just disappearing. But then, you know, I'll
kick it back old school here. And so back in the eighteen hundreds and
nineteen hundreds, there was a man named Chitto Harjoe. He was a Muscogee
Creek band. My family, they used to run around. They were called
snakes, and my Edward Scott was my ken who was running around with him.
And Chitto told, uh, you know, people in his in his
snake game, that when he was hiding from the federal government, a big
foot showed him how to disappear, gave him that medicine, showed him the
old ways, and they couldn't find ship though for a long time up in
you Fall for you Fall area, and that's well documented. And you know
he had said that, you know, he was hiding and he saw you
know, one of them came up and gave him, you know, kind
of showed him how to turn into a stump. And he turned into a
stump right in front of him, you know, right in front of the
people after him. Wow. And so that's where and that's a lot of
you know, kind of I talked about that, that kind of that story.
I think it's like episode two of my of the war Cry podcast,
my podcast. Um, and I'm you know, I give you a little
bit more information here kind of what I believe because I try to remove what
I believe and just give people what, you know, the information. And
but that's that's a lot where my my belief stands from. And there was
another gentleman named Tim Harjoe. He uh, he was on Bigfootville. If
you guys remember the doc You remember the documentary Bigfootville that was taking place.
Yeah, yeah, I know who Tim Harjoe is for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. And so he said on it, he said, you know,
he called it magic, but you know everyone knows in the Indian community he
means medicine, you know, and the ability to do things. Um.
And so you know, a lot of my beliefs I you know, of
these things, and just from the information I've been given from people, you
know, leads me to believe that that's what they're doing. Is they're just
you know, some people. Some of them are cloaking or doing their you
know, disappearing act, and some of them, you know, I think
some of them have abilities that we can't comprehend. And I think that,
you know, that's why they you know, that's why we can't see certain
things about them, and that's why we have no recollection of them, you
know, like they'll wipe your mind or you know, they'll make you,
you know, forget where you know you're at, or you know, things
like that. Have you HEARDing stories about them talking yes and no um?
And I can't verify where I heard this story from. I know it's in
a Cherky nation, um part aspect of this, and I know the Muscoe
some Muscogee Creek, and I know that I've heard over the over the years
that they do some type of samurai chatter mum. But I've I've heard that
it's like the story that I was heard that they heard someone talking in the
woods and it sounded and it didn't sound human. And it wasn't really a
talk. It was like a whisper. And this is out in uh,
kind of out there by Tin Killer Lake. Yeah, I had heard a
story of someone out in the woods. Um And I can't remember, must
not have been my grandpa's told me the story. But I was always I
was always asking him about you know, oh, did you hear this about
this? Because like I would hear these theories and ask him if he heard
a story about it. Um And yeah, but that's the only thing I've
heard about it is that they heard whisper. It sounded like a human talking,
but it wasn't a human. It was like a louder whisper. It
sounded and it didn't sound like it made sense. Hm. I was just
curious because I talked to an elder which woman one time, and she said
that they and speak whatever the language is, the language of the tribe in
the area that they're in. Now, obviously they're seen in places where there
are no tribes, but here in Oklahoma, they're usually seen around tribes and
reservations and stuff. And uh, I was just curious if you had ever
heard anything like that. No, Yeah, I mean I hadn't heard anything
like that. But I would not be surprised honestly, because I mean,
I mean, like I said, kicking aback, you know, telling old
stories is um. So back in the old days, my ancestor, Jackson
Lewis, was a vest inn really powerful medicine from the Mustoga Creek, and
he would get calls from time to time to go out to southern Oklahoma and
southern you know or you know, you know basically I guess the southern Oklahoma,
southeast Oklahoma. Yeah, he would get, he would get He would
have choke tall people come and get him at his house here, you know,
in the Fall area. And a story that came out of that was
that, uh that basically chalk calls would would practice. You know, they're
still they're getting their strength to face you know, whatever tribe or whatever clan
or you know whatever. You know. The occasion was they would prepare for
their stake ball games, uh by boiling, you know, getting hog fat,
boiling and greasing themselves down and and speaking you know, to to Bigfoot
to have him come out and wrestle. They would wrestle Bigfoot. Um.
And that does lend credence because you know, I don't I mean I know
there. You know, it's the territory thing. I don't know if they
have to s territrialine that stuff, but you know, it is very interesting
that, you know, you you have intermixings of different tribes and clans and
different areas and different dialects, and for them to be able to understand all
those languages, those dialects, the slang for that tribe you know, or
that specific clan. You know, that's that's very interesting. You know,
I may have to start asking around about that. I just had never thought
about, you know, the language part of that. Yeah. And then
I've also heard stories about them coming out to Powell Grounds. Yes, man,
okay, so I'll tell you this is. Uh So, we had
a we had an event out Pawnee, Oklahoma, and it was a storytelling
event and a man I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say his name, but
hey ended up winning the contest, the storytelling contest, and he was out.
I think it was in the in the Dakotas I believe, or he
might I can't remember exactly where he was at, but he was. He
told the story as uh, you know, they were winding the Powell you
know, down and they were doing their final dances, and they were hitting
that drum. You can see off in the corner, off kind of a
little ways down off the kind of at the edge of the tree line,
you can see a big foot sitting there, kind of swaying, you know,
it was watching them. And so when the drum stopped, he walked,
he walked back, you know, back into the tree line. And
he said he sat there and watched him. He said, it wasn't you
know, it sat there for the entire final drum. I was like,
man, that's you know, that's of those When I heard that story,
I immediately got goose bubbs because you know, you you you know me.
I mean, I've experienced some things, but you know, when it comes
to you know, actually you know, seeing something that doesn't make sense to
you your mind, you know, and for it to be be there,
you know, I thought it was a pretty wicked story from him. And
and he's he's Pawny pawnny uh Pawny Indian. So but yeah, I had
heard I had heard multiple stories about that, and you know I had another
story. Um, you know back this isn't uh. I believe in talent
wall. But they used to hear something scream, and it was it'd be
like a like a basic guitars and yale and it would go around the pow
Wow grounds wow, all the way around it, and it would stop for
a second and it would do it again. And I never can figure out
what that was. But most most ceremonial grounds and most pow Wow you know
grounds are near some sort of water. So, yeah, and people always
say Bigfoot travels in those those waterways. You know, there's a lot of
stories of people encountering them around h old Indian graveyards too. Do you think
there's some sort of connection with that or do you think it's just because you
know, most of those graveyards are out in the woods anyways. Yeah,
you know, you know, we were I used to do some investigating back
when I was in high school and kind of early college days, and we
went out to the cemetery out in Brags Brags, America Brags, Oklahoma,
um, and we got to a certain point in the in the cemetery cemetery
was it was more wrecked, but it was like long ways, so the
more you walked into it, the more graves you saw. And it was
and it had the cemetery on the other side of the road. But this
was an older part of the cemetery, and we were walking down and and
and uh. As we were, you know, I started noticing hearing something
like it was following us. So it was matching our footsteps all the way
down. And I when we stopped, it stopped. And then when we
kind of kept going, it stopped, and you know, I heard my
spidy senses started kind of kicking in. I'm like, all right, you
know it's time to probably get on out of here and disrespecting someone where we
were disturbing. But I think a lot of my thought with that is we
don't you know, the big Foot, in my opinion, is here to
protect our force and our in our woods. And I know that's a belief
of you know, some tribes and some native people, is they are protectors
of of our of our woods. I mean, you always hear those stories
of you know, when they're doing when they're chopping trees down, you know,
especially up in Pacific Northwest and places like that. You know, you
hear about them. You know, reckon uh, you know, the equipment
or turning you know, turning full bulldozers over and just doing all types of
crazy stuff and tormenting people. So you know, I believe, you know,
I believe that they're they're there for a purpose. Now that purpose,
you know, they could be washing over the cemetery or also could be you
know, um kind of coincidence. But I would say there was to be
something to it, because I it seems like a lot you know, a
lot of stories that I've heard about cemeteries. They always hear some type of
big foot activity out there. Um, I know that there's uh, there's
a grave site. Um now it's it's out and you fall. It's out
in west you fall, and there's an old cemetery that's not even marked.
It's one of those old cemeteries. And they've always they've encountered some things out
there that's been like, you know, they'd see it almost like a face
in the woods, like watching them. You know, they wouldn't quite see
a face, but didn't look like a face. And they always felt like
somebody was watching them out there, making sure, I guess, making sure
that those those souls are you know, those people are protected that are that
are buried there. You know. One of the more popular cryptids, especially
on the Internet, is the dog Man. You know, these werewolf type
creatures. Have you heard any Native stories about dogmen? Have there been any
sightings or anything like that? Yeah, I have a few. Um So,
I just released an episode on Dogman this past week. Um and I
do tell a story in that podcast about um So this is from this is
a Cherokee country And there was a lady she you know, she was reals
kind of scurity cat, didn't really want to, you know, deal with
any of the spooky stuff. Well, they heard some coyotes yelping one one
night out kind of uh off in the distance, and her cousins or family
whoever, you know, younger guys were like, hey, let's go check
it out. And she's like, no, I'm not going out there.
So then they end up going out there, and you know, they all
all come running back hard, you know, real scared, and she goes,
what did you see? What did you see? What did you see?
And here they go, oh, He's like, man, we saw
this wolf. It was honest. It was standing up straight and it sounded
like a baby crying. It sounded like a little baby, you know,
like a baby you know, a wolf or something, you know, like
a like a real small animal and it was this big you know, eight
eight foot tall dog man or werewolf, you know type creature. And you
know, I've heard those stories. Um. You know there is one and
I think and I know, I said, I don't know if it's Talent
Wall or if it's north of Talent Wall, but I know that there is
one that walks down the walks down the road of in one of those one
of those old roads. There is one that travels those roads and people have
seen it walking like literally on this dirt road, walking in the middle of
the dirt road at night, just walking. Um. And you hear those
stories, you know from elders, um, but a lot of our stories
are more shape shifter stories. Um. You know, there was a gentleman
out of Kenwood. He gives me stories from Salina, Kenwood and those areas,
and he was telling me that there was these two Cherokee women who just
real beef, like had real beef their entire lives, like just can not
get over whatever they were fighting about. And they end up in the same
nursing home and when they you know, at night, everybody would kind of
shut down all the nighttime. Nurses would sometimes uh these black dogs or black
wolves walking the halls, going into each other's rooms. So you know,
I've heard different stories about that, you know, and it's it's it's a
lot. It's pretty pretty spooky. You know. I haven't experienced any dog
men stuff, but you know that dog mean to most natives that we I
think we consider it more shape shifter than we do dog mean. I would
say. That's another thing I was going to ask you about, just to
get your take on it. You know, somehow it became cool to start
including skin walkers in with cryptids, and uh, I just wanted to get
your take on a skin walker, what your thoughts are on them? Is
it something that people should even be talking about on the internet and the same
breath as a cryptid? Yeah, in my opinion, though, they should
not be lumped in with cryptids. Um. You know Chris Christopher Honk hill
Um, he has worked with multiple tribes and he's a buddy and a you
know, in a co host for Unsolved Mysteries. Um, he travels all
over the place, and he is you know, I trust I really really
love his opinion on this and and you know he I love the way,
you know, way he talks about this. But my opinion of it is,
and he's told the story, it's not skinwalkers are not cryptids. They're
they're actual people like the's, people that can do things, UM. And
they're usually not not good people like they're not They're they're out there to get
something from you. UM. A story I was told and this is kind
of something I find very interesting. UM. You know, he said Christopher
honk Hill. He had mentioned uh to us that he was at a at
a conference, you know, one of these Indian conferences that they have,
UM and this was I believe it was out in New Mexico. And one
of the ladies goes, hey, you know, we need to be careful
around here, since there's a lot of Indians around here. We need to
let people know that don't go that, don't go over here, you know,
or don't you know, don't don't do this, or don't do that,
or make sure you're you're you're safe if you're gonna be out and about.
And Chris, being the guy he is, he said, well,
I don't take me to him, and you know, so the girl takes
him out there in this ATV or this Polaris vehicle and one thing that he
said that was kind of chilling to me is that it's you know, you
you can hear them, you can call him, you go to the spot
where you believe that they are at, you can call them. And if
they sound like they're far away, they're close. And if they if they
sound like they're close to you, that means they're far away. And that
always just kind of gave me a chill, like you know, they could
be. And so my opinion of it as I see people labeling uh,
skin walkers just you know, oh, this is like this like always,
and it's always some like pale, ball headed type you know being that they
say, and I'm you know, I'm but no, because you know,
my my thing is you know, you you're you're you're making light of things
that are very dangerous. Um. There are people that are being showed these
you know, that are that have these this knowledge and they can do very
bad things and people wonder. And this is another thing too that you know,
people that are non natives who like to you know, profit off Native
American information and culture, um like I see on YouTube and TikTok and things
of that nature. That could be why things go bad in your life and
you don't know how to fix it because that's a different type of thing.
And you know, talking about these things, you know, like you know,
like my grandpa always says, if you look forward, it's going to
find you. If you just look hard enough, it's gonna find you.
Everyone I've talked to about it native wise, you know, it's I mean,
I know what they are, and it's not something you talk about because
you don't. It's not someone you want to mess with. It's not something
it's not neat to see somebody or meet one or get one's attention or anything
like that. And I don't really know how they ended up as some kind
of creature, you know, to be lumped in with cryptids. It's it's
just kind of mind blowing. But it's certainly taken off on the Internet and
become kind of a normal thing, you know, to talk about skinwalkers with
cryptids, and it's just kind of crazy to me. Well, it was
like a wind ago. Remember the wind ago was a hot thing about five
years ago. Yeah, I mean anything with the wind to go, the
wind to go is a spirit that's not a that's that is not a a
flesh and blood type thing. Now it becomes that, yeah, it does,
but it's a spirit. It's of bad intent and of Campibellism. Those
tribes up Nor that's what they that's the wind to Go was not a a
creature. It was what you It was someone who came that right, And
you know that's not just some like oh it's a it's a thing with Antlers.
You know, another movie Antlers came out, which they did a decent
job because that's what happens. That's exactly like Antlers is probably the most accurate
wind Togo movie because that's what happens. You you and you know you're doing
bad things and you know, you get crossed up with this bad spirit because
your life is terrible and you're trying to make it better. But then all
of a sudden, you know, you got you have to sacrifice something to
you know, to do this, and then that that bad spirit takes over
and that's what happens, and you know that's like it's I saw that too
a couple of years ago. I said, man, they're they've been taking
all this stuff and trying to trying to read make Yeah. Yeah, so
let me ask you this man, what is something out there that people don't
know about that you don't really hear people talking about that. You've heard stories
and you know is out there, man. Okay, So I know this
is something in Native contative country in native lands, and it's a very prevalent
thing. Um. But one thing that really the most scared I've ever been
in my life and in hearing these stories and experiencing it for myself, there
is a creature, an entity of being called a tie snake. Now I'm
not going to give its name, it's it's Cherokee or its creek name,
um, but I call it tie snake um um. And this snake is
basically the king of the water. And how I was brought up to understand
how this this being was is it travels through floods and they can shrink into
the smallest size it could be like a mole like on a molecule, but
like the smallest size half inch, until it can grow to like one hundred
feet long. And this snake, you know, has been you know,
the reason for you know, some things happening in native country and um,
you know native waters and things like that. I'm gonna tell you this is
a pretty long story, but I'm gonna tell it to you because this is
what I experienced with this snake. I was a college kid at Northeastern State
University in tallentqua Um. I used to float the Illinois River all the time.
I loved it, you know, and that's you know, it brings
back a lot of good members thinking about that, because I've been on that
river basically my entire life. One afternoon, you know, you don't really
ask. You know, when you're younger, you don't really pay attention to
the news too much. You're not really worried about things like that. And
you know, that summer there was a lot of drownings. There was a
lot of drownings. And we were floating the river and I happened to see
off to my right hand side there was a little boy. He was playing
on some branches that were sticking out of the water. And I thought to
myself, as a man, like a little little boy better be careful,
I said, man, that's the current could kid him. Because at this
time the water was kind of dark. It was as it was deeper than
it normally was, and I was thinking, you know, oh he better
get off where even something's gonna happen to him. Well, we kept going
um and we get to this deep part of the river where it kind of
it kind of curves left and it kind of goes back right, and then
it curves back and left, and then you get to you know, you'll
get to you know, you start getting to the floating places where you could
you know, where you put your wrapt up. And I look up ahead
and I see the water and the water's moving different than on one side than
there is the other. So essentially we're moving in the correct direction of the
river, but half of the river is moving in the opposite direction. And
that's it. And you know, I remember in that moment, I was
like, wow, we need to get out. I have people, I
have friends in the river, like I have people you know, going,
you know, wilding out doing their thing. And so I drag everybody off.
I'm like, hey, we need you got to get out now,
Like we gotta get out of water. And so we get out of the
water and I'm water and that that, you know, I said, it
looked like half the river. It was like the river was cut in half.
One was going the normal way, the other way it was going to
the opposite way, that's crazy. And I thought that was yeah. I
thought, you know, I was like, man, that's I said,
that's it. That's the that's the king. The King is moving through here.
And so we get off the river and I kind of find out that
same little boy who was on that deep end unneath those trees, he had
drowned. And and I never forget him. He was a little blinded boy.
And I went and kind of here recently here in the last kind of
six months, I kind of went back and looked at the Fox twenty three
report on that, and they said that basically he was just dragged underwater like
something. You know, it's like he just they say, the current got
him and the undertow got him. Um and that. But that river was
in bad shape that year. People were littering, people were just not respecting
the water. And that's what that snake does is he protects the water.
He makes sure you respect the water, and it enforces those rules, you
know, whatever those rules may be. And and uh, you know,
there was there was a time in that same year, in that same summer,
I saved a girl from from from drowning. Um. I knew,
like I said, I knew that water really well, and I knew how
to swim it, and I knew how to kind of navigate it, and
and uh, she had kind of been bumped off and she fell backwards off
into the water, and I look and I kind of washed her to make
sure she got back up, but she never came back up, and she
didn't have a life checking on or anything. And so I I kind of
dived down and this water's really murky, and I dove down and I pulled
her back up and and you know, I was only it was a struggle
to get her back up. You know, I had to pull on the
raft, and you know, people are like, what are you doing?
You know, I was like, hang on, I'm trying to, you
know, pull this girl up. And you know, I pull her up
and she goes, something was pulling me down. I'm like, what do
you mean. I actually kind of I put her back on the raft.
So something was pulling me down. I don't know, I don't know what
it was. And so I said that, uh, you know, kind
of to end these these stories. That next following summer, it was that
was the flood of that that Talpol flood that basically destroyed all those floating places,
all those cabins down there, you know, one of the craziest floods
ever. And then that on that river, it was it was telling us
that, hey, I'm I'm coming and I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure these
these these waters are right. And then after that the one, you know,
the Illinois River water has been so nice. It's it's it's really cleaned
up since that flood. And I said, they they do that, they
bring rain, they flood waters, and that's how they moved to They moved
through those flood waters. So you know, people always sy oh, well,
you know there's one snake. There could be there could be hundreds of
these snakes in this water. We don't know, but you know that those
are that's a that's a a cryptid or a being or a creature that I
don't think a lot of people talk about, and I think people need to
be worried about because yeah, you know, you always hear about the octopus
and you fall up that people, you know, that's that snake. That
snake is that snake can do those things. It can I can have multiple
things, you know, it can have antlers um a telltale sign of this
snake is, especially when you follow. If you if people were you follow
and they go out to that that lake. If you ever hear moving in
the middle of that lake, it's not a cow, it's that snake letting
you know it's coming. Yeah, I've you know, we had a place
up on Lake Hudson growing up and uh out by prior and I saw something
in that water. I never knew what it was, but it looked like
a giant snake, but it was white, and you know, at first
I thought it was just a I couldn't figure it out. I thought it
was like a big long rock or something, because you know, I could
see like the head shape and everything. It was about a foot under the
water, was pretty close to the bank, and I'm sitting there looking at
trying to figure out what that, you know, white thing is. And
the more I'm looking at, the more I'm realizing, like, that looks
like a snakehead. And about that time it just slowly pulled back down into
the deeper water where I couldn't see it anymore. And then years later,
a buddy of mine, he was my best friend at the time. He
was Creek and he lived out in Kellyville, and he saw something out there
at like Hayburn that freaking him out pretty bad out in the water that he
also described as a snake, but it was as big around as a log,
had stuck its head out of the water and everything. But yeah,
that's interesting, man. You know, Like I said, I had family
in Tallaqua, and none of them would go in the river, man,
none of them they did. And as a kid going up there, and
like I'd go and stay a few weeks during the summer and stuff, and
you know, they stay out of the river. Don't go to the river.
We're not going to the river, you know. And anybody who lives
in this part of Oklahoma knows back in the day people drowning that river all
the time. And it's weird because I mean, it's just a river,
man, it's a float river. You know, there's no reason for that
many people to be drowning out there. And they don't report none of it.
They don't you hear about it. But oh yeah, they had like
you know, like I remember years after that, and even years before that,
you know, they'd say, oh, you know, man, we
saw a bunch of mts pulling somebody out of the water, you know,
or you know, we we saw a police or fire or whoever you know,
jumping down into the banks off to the saycause there used to be a
road that kind of you can jump into the to get into the river.
And they're like, oh, yeah, we saw someone getting pulled out.
It's like, you know, you don't think nothing of it at the time,
but like that's one thing too. Then you know they I'm not saying
that authorities aren't aware of these things, but they know. I mean they
know they have to. They got to. So I've noticed what the Unsolved
Mysteries podcast, you guys are going to start doing investigations. Yeah, that's
something that we uh we started. Um, we actually did an investigation in
Glimpool at a recreation center at my former former job. We we we did
one then and then we we did investigations after, um, you know multiple
uh you know, storytelling a bits that we've had and and that's something that
like we wanted to kind of expand out too, because you know, you
like to experience people's stories. To me as the ultimate you know, is
the ultimate almost like prize, like you know, to say, you know,
someone, hey there's something going on in this Indian Health Service building.
Um, you know this cabinet moved, or you know this door shut or
I heard someone laughing. You know sometimes you know, you kind of hear
those stories. You just think, you know, it's not it hasn't happened
to me, and you kind of just you know, it is a creepy
story, but you kind of just put it in the back of your mind.
But to actually experience it, you know, to me, is kind
of cool. So, yeah, that's something that we're working on. I
know, we got a few places I know that we we've been in contact
with some paranormal associations around here. So, um, you know it is
it is something that's being worked on. Cool. Well, where else can
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Matt, I can't say man enough, I appreciate you having me on.
Man, this is uh whom I have to do a part too. I
know, I got some more stories. Yeah, I was just waiting for
you to quit talk and I was gonna tell you, man, you're gonna
have to come back on again for sure, man. And uh, hopefully
this is the beginning of a blossoming friendship. Man. Yeah, yeah,
for sure, I've enjoyed it. Thanks so much for coming on and speaking
candidly about these things. I know what a big deal it is. And
hopefully the listeners enjoyed it and realize it too. And uh, yeah,
man, I just really appreciate it. And congratulations again on becoming a father
for another time. Good luck with that. I appreciate, I appreciate it.
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