The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No,
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We've got a Jake Paul returning pay per view. We've got fight news,
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as well a conversation. Hello, welcome back in. I am merely the
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clothed Dan Raphael. Never have we gotten so much response about whether or not
you were actually in your underwear last Saturday night late early Sunday for the recap
podcast. We are confirming yes that was the case, and yes you are
now much more properly attired, even though it's theater of the mind pod cast
audio. Good to be with you, very good to be whether or not
not together in the same room like we were for the last couple of times,
I know, but we were back in our home bases and uh yeah
tonight, no no underwear, just a pair shorts. Although I can't confirm
or deny whether or not a Star Wars episode is on like it was the
other week, But that was that was brilliant, brilliant stuff. And by
and by the way, I don't think I told you this before I hit
the record button, but we just set a record on one of our recap
podcasts with the amount of audience because we had that much that I just showed
you. Wow offer recap podcast. So thank you to the peeps. I'm
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Yes, I'm glad that everybody else seems to be interested in to hear
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Monday. And we have religiously diligently done this weekend after weekend, even in
Vegas, even in the wee hours of the morning. We were doing this
to make sure that you have it. And I did get some feedback from
a lot of people that were like, hey, I love the fact that
you guys had had a post fight recap, And I said to them,
where you've been. We've had a lot of recaps over and over and over
again for the last How can we not have a post fight recap on arguably
the most important fight of the enter. I just have a facetious question.
Is Terence Crawford done hitting Errol Spence yet it's now Thursday? Is he still
hitting it? Or is it over with? I think it's over with?
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some news again. Oscar Valdez, if I didn't mention the name as a
guest with Dan one on one coming up Valdez Emanuel Navarrat coming up WBO?
Do you prefer junior lightweight to super featherweight WBO Junior lightweight title fight next weekend,
not this weekend, next weekend, August twelfth in Glendale, Arizona.
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some news. One more time off the Spence Crawford. It really should be
the Crawford Demolition of Spence. Pay per view numbers are mostly out. You
had the reporting on Thursday as we record this on Thursday night, and it's
a win. Isn't that fair to say it's a win the audience? Go
ahead? Yeah? I mean, look, I think going into this fight,
I was asked many times, how do you think the fight's gonna do?
And my answer was standard, It's going to do very well, but
it's not going to be as big. It's the fight is more significant,
it's more meaningful. It's more important than when Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis had
their fight on April twenty second. But this one won't do as much in
terms of the commercial success, but it will still do still do very well.
And you know, I don't know. I could say I'm a profit
but then Verse hit base exactly what they would do. It is not as
large in terms of what the other fight I just mentioned did, but it
was very successful. The fight between Crawford and Spence the most significant important fight
of the year I think for diehard fans, more even more anticipated than the
Davis and Garcia fight. My sources have told me, and these are people
that are involved in the business who know their deal to know what's going on
here and that it fight, that the fight will at the worst perform.
It at six hundred and fifty thousand pay per views. That's in domestically,
that's not the worldwide. I saw somebody on Twitter saying, well, Jake
Call and Tommy Fury did eight hundred thousand, that's worldwide. The six fifty
numbers just the United States. In terms of what it did, that's a
tremendous number. That's over fifty million dollars in revenue. It's around fifty five
million dollars in terms of the pay per view take. Keep in mind there
was also another twenty one million dollars that was generated by Eryl Spence and Karence
Crawford from the ticket sales at T Mobile Arena. They announced it as a
nineteen nine hundred person sell out, and that is only slightly less than what
Tank and Ryan did, which was twenty two point eight million. And I'm
going to tell you, I maybe I'm wrong about this, but I'm pretty
sure it's the first time there's ever been in the history of boxing two twenty
million dollar gates in the same year. And these happened within, you know,
just a few months of each other, in the same building. Obviously,
both fights were taking place at T Mobile Arena. But it just goes
to show you that if you give the people what they want, and people
wanted to see their Arrow Spence against Terrence Crawford, and people wanted to see
Tank Davis against Ryan Garcia, that they will shell out that money for those
tickets and make it a special night. And again, this fight may not
be on the same level commercially as what that other fight did, but six
hundred and fifty thousand, and by the way, with a real chance based
you know, because these are these are people need to understand. It's not
like they were able to count up every number. The way that they come
up with these numbers is they know their digital numbers. They know what it
did on direct TV and Dish network, and they have a rough idea of
cable operators, which has become less and less important compared to the other metrics
because they get some key cable systems and they compare it against what other fights
of a similar type did, and they extrapolay, and they've got formulas that
work because they've been tried and true for decades on how they do that.
So when I tell you six fifty, there's and I was told by the
people that I have the numbers from there's a really good chance that this fight
will increase and could get to six seventy five, perhaps a little bit more.
So this is a win. I mean both fighters who went into this
fight without taking guarantees. We'll wind up once expenses are paid, once showtime
gets its money, once the managers and everybody else gets their money, and
the promotion gets some of its money, etc. And it's all said and
done. You know, the two fighters are gonna probably reap twenty five million
dollars plus from this fight. Spence had a little bit of a greater percentage
in terms of the deal. He had a little bit bigger than the Lion
share, so he'll get probably more than that in profits, you know a
little less, but suffice it to say, both guys are making not only
career pay days, but creer pay days by multiples, and a couple of
important points, because we've been over this and been over this typically right now,
for a lot of these pay per views, they struggle to have more
than a couple one hundred thousand, three hundred thousand, depending on who it
is. So this is more than double that, and you set a very
key part there at the end. Not unlike Davante Davis and Ryan Garcia making
an excess of twenty million in their case, in excess of thirty million.
If fighters are making twenty twenty five million, what's a few million among friends?
This is Rayfield type money the stratosphere. If they're making that kind of
money, then there's the incentive for get your carcasses in the ring for the
biggest fights, because the appetite, like you said, is there for the
biggest fights, and you will make I'll use your money analogy, exponentially more.
You will make three or four times more if you're fighting a more important,
bigger fight, then you're fighting a lesser fight that's only on showtime,
or a lesser pay per view where you don't make half or a third of
what this is. So this give the people what they want. If you
give the people what they want, they're gonna be willing to spend their money
on a ticket. They're gonna be willing to spend their money on a pay
per view or a closed circuit or whatever, and you'll make the money.
And that's that's the key. So, yeah, they waited till it was
a little later, maybe in their careers, but still at the top of
their game, and they finally got to fight on and obviously they're going to
be very, very handsomely rewarded in terms of the finances. And that's good
because I'm hopeful that this will incentivize other fighters who may not make twenty five
million dollars, but if they're used to making let's say a million dollars,
and now they can take a big fight in you know, the people want
to see maybe they can make four million dollars or five million dollars. In
other words, not everyone's gonna make ten, twenty thirty. But if you're
not ever made, you know, the big, big money, you should
want to be able to have a fight where you can make a double or
triple what you've ever made before. So maybe that's only only quote unquote three
four million dollars. I mean, let's get our let's get our asses in
ring. What's a few million among friends? Also, you have more on
Terrence Crawford homecoming Omaha, Nebraska. That's not this weekend, but it's coming
up right for as part of the story that I wrote on my sub stack
about the pay per view receipts and all on the gate is that the city
of Omaha is going to celebrate his victory. I mean it looks Oma,
Nebraska, which I've been to a few times for some of Crawford's fights.
It's a great little city. I mean, I definitely enjoyed my visits there,
but it does not have some big professional sports league the sports that it
that it gravitates too. They obviously they have Nebraska college sports. Obviously the
football team is huge, and even basketball. I mean, when Terence became
the undisputed champion in the junior about the division, the fight took place in
the arena where the where the men's basketball plays in Lincoln, UM. But
so he's like the franchise in terms of pro sports in Omah, So you
didn't say it the right way. They have two seasons in Nebraska sports,
Nebraska corn Husker football season and the off season. That is pretty much all
they have. But Crawford fought in Omaha last December. Little known David Evanessian
was the opponent, and he sold out the downtown arena gate. The gate
wasn't the same as the sellout obviously at the team mobile, but he's got
a massive following in the Cornhusker state. And by the way, David evanes
And actually probably performed better against Crawford than Arrow Spenstead given wow, and it
may be true. Oh anyway, but as far as the hometown goes,
so on August a twelfth, from local time ten am till noon, they're
gonna honor Crawford with a parade. The mayor is going to be there,
and they're gonna have a you know, a big shin dig and celebrate his
achievements and celebrate uh, you know, his accomplishments and also, uh you
know, the way that the mayor described it in the comments that were put
out was not only his achievements as an outstanding world champion, but also as
a mentor to the youth of the city. Uh that that comes to the
B and B Sports Academy where they teach kids boxing and uh and do the
right thing for their community. So Terrence has always been, you know,
very community oriented. I remember when he when he you know, when he
came back from having become the lightweight champion over in Scotland against Ricky Burns,
there was a lot of conversation with Top Rank, his promoter at the time,
about doing a fight in having this homecoming fight in Oma, which had
not hosted a world title fight since Joe Frazier fought there against Ron Stander,
who was the local guy back in the early seventies. And Crawford wanted to
make sure that a top rank was going to come to the hometown. They
needed to make the tickets affordable so the locals could attend, because you know,
Omas a pretty blue collar kind of community. The folks are not other
than Warren Buffett, I guess you know, they're not super rich people.
So you got to make the tickets reasonable for the for the locals, and
and uh they did that, and that was very important to Terrence Prafford to
make sure that his fans and his community could come out and support him for
a price that wasn't going to break the bank. And they've done that a
few times. The tickets over there and never been super expensive for his fights,
and he's come pretty much a beloved figure in Omahana, Braska. Good
for him. It's like I said, it's a good little town and he's
carried it on his back. And Buffett's been in a couple of those fights
as a billion in around the peeps and just taking it in a man of
the people to come watch Terence Crawford fights, or what a great story that
is in that area. He's turned it into a boxing big deal to be
in Nebraska of all places. With that again, Oscar Valdez coming up in
a couple of moments with Dan. We are here as part of the preview
in the preview mode and we will get to it now with Jake Paul and
Nate Diaz, and I just got to say on the front end, and
I know our friends at PPV dot com or streaming it, we want you
to buy it to see it, to go and watch it. I am
less enthused. I'm just being honest because this is not a boxer for him.
We're back to Jake fighting Nate Daz distinguished, yes as a UFC champion,
but he's not a boxer. I've been there, I've done that.
So I'm just saying my piece. I'm not saying don't watch it. I'm
not saying there might not be a dramatic out here by Jake Paul. There
might be some drama where maybe Nate Daz hits him. I just I had
gotten to the point with the Tommy Fury fight of let's see if he can
take another step as a boxer. Now we're stepping back to fight. I
understand they're making a bunch of money, but this is not a boxing significant
fighting in of itself. Because if he beats Nate Das, do you not
agree that that's what everybody's gonna say that you were supposed to beat him.
You've been training as a boxer. This guy's not a boxer. Go ahead,
Dan in the preview moment, No, I get that. I mean,
look, Jake's events are not so much about boxing in the sense of
a Crawford and a Spence. No one's talking about championships, no one's talking
about pound for pound. Jake has his fan following. I mean, look,
I like watching Jake Paul fight. I mean, people think I'm crazy.
I'm like, why, because I've got room in my life for more
than just pound for pound fights and world title fights. I mean, I
think, you know, you get a little bit of everything. So you
know, Jake has the personality and you know, he's fun to watch.
He's a hard worker. But for him for his boxing career, it's important
from the standpoint because he does have aspirations to be more than just you know,
a guy break chef the ever time talks about it. He does respect
the sport, I believe, but he's coming off his first loss, the
first time he stepped up to fight an actual boxer that was more than an
MMA fighter or some other sport or something else like that. That was what
the types of fights he fought earlier on is. So when he did step
up against Tommy Fury in February, and I'm not saying Tommy Fury is some
great fighter, but he wasn't undefeated professional and you know, boxing was the
only sport that he participated in. His brothers Tyson Fury the heavyweight champion.
Anyway, it was a really close fight, but it was the first time
that Jake ever suffered suffered a loss, so you can get past that.
The question is if he loses to an Adas, now you're like the Freak
Show. You've lost two in a row. I think that the Tommy Fury
fight. I don't think damage is him that badly. You'll lose an Adas
on top of a loss to Tommy Fury. Now you're damage from the standpoint
where, yeah, you can still carry on, but are there going to
be a big, big turnout for your sixty dollars pay per views after that?
And that's a little bit of a debatable thing. So Nate dz is
making his boxing pro debut, even though he's, like you mentioned, a
distinguished career in the in MMA. So we're gonna see what happens. I
mean, I don't really know what to think about this fight, frankly.
I mean, Nate Daz is kind of done as a as a UFC fighter.
He's never boxed before to my knowledge, and you know Tommy, I
mean not Tommy. Jake Paul is not the most experienced boxer, but he's
gotten out more boxing experience than nads because he has had you know, the
six the seven professional fights he did go eight rounds with Tommy Fury, and
he did fight the likes of Anderson Silva and di Ron Woodley, et cetera.
So look, I expected to be a fun fight. I'm definitely tuned
it into this one, and I'm gonna be tuning in on PPV dot com
to tell you the truth. Very nice, very nice. Uh And I
you know, look, I will say this. I was at the second
Woodley fight, the rematch in downtown Tampa, and it was electric in the
building. And what was fascinating Dan is there was heat against Jake Paul.
I mean, there were thousands booing him and that was interesting. So we'll
see so subsequently, and in fairness to him, he was trying to fight
Fury back a year and a half ago. He was also trying to fight
Hassim Rockman Junior, and we went through that whole thing last summer and that
didn't So he has been trying to fight some boxers. Finally did fight Fury.
Now we're back to an MMA guy. I'll be interested in how big
is the crowd for this matchup. And this is in the home of the
Dallas Mavericks and the Dallas Stars, the American Airline Center, an arena that
seats some twenty thousand for boxing, So what will that look like? I
was told by a Dallas source this afternoon. There are plenty of tickets still
available in the third level, I said to that source, though they're fairly
affordable, and a lot of those may get gobbled up as Thursday becomes Friday.
I don't know this Friday becomes Saturday, because that's the more affordable tickets.
We'll see what kind of crowd is there and what kind of showed he
puts on. And clarify again, it's a scheduled ten round fight, correct,
and the bet Us line has it fairly even it only has Jake Paul
is a three and a half to one favorite here in this one, even
though Natedez has not had to fight anything else well as far as the number
of rounds goes. If you remember when this fight was first made, it
was announced as an eight rounder, and then there was a back and forth
between Jake Paul and NDS, ND saying, you know or I forget who
brought it up, but basically somebody was like, why don't we make it
a ten round or let's make it even more interesting? And I think it
was an ad as that said that, and Jake Paul was like fine,
and ultimately they had a switch to a ten rounder, which is fine with
me, and so they'll go. At least they'll schedule for ten Whether it
actually lasts that long, who the heck knows, But uh, look,
here's the bottom line. It's a weekend on which they're we're coming off the
huge fight with Spence Crawford. Now there are some people that probably didn't get
a chance to see thats so Showtime we'll replay that fight on Saturday night along
with the epilogue episode of their all access series, which I believe Raphael is
going to make an appearance. And if they actually do what they said they
would, because when I was walking over to the arena on the night of
the fight to the camera, guy in, one of the producers, guys
who I've known for a long time from Showtime, you know, came running
over to me to ask me some questions that, like, you know,
would you mind letting us record this it's for the epilogue. I was like,
okay, cool. So they asked me a couple of things, my
thoughts on the fight going in and the historical significance and everything, So we'll
see if if I, if I didn't end up on the cutting room floor,
we'll see if I made the episode. So but anyway, my point
here is this, there's the replay on Saturday, plus the epilogue episode,
and the only other real boxing action of consequence is this pay per view with
Jake and Nate. And of course we'll talk about in just a minute the
women's championship fight between the undisputed featherweight champion a Man to Toronto and a rematch
with Heather Hardy, a former title holder, and the rest of that card.
And so there's really not anything else of consequence this weekend. So it's
the only game in town in some sense. The conversation continues in a moment.
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looks like for the crowd, etc. Again. Oscar Valdez coming up in
just a moment one on one with Dan before his title fight with Navarat next
weekend in Phoenix. Amanda Serrano, as you mentioned, will be defending her
featherweight titles in a rematch with Heather Hardy. That is the fight immediately preceding
preceding the Paul Diaz main event, And so let's get a thought or two
on this. Serrano is heavily favored here to win in the rematch. She's
also been angling and wanting another opportunity at Katie Taylor. That's not going to
happen here in the short term, but she is content to get on these
Jake Paul cards in fun of large crowds and make huge money. And this
is about the third or fourth time she will have fought as the co feature
in these. So give me a little bit on the rematch here Serrano and
Hardy before we move on. Well, Amanda. Her boxing promoter is MVP,
which is Jig's company, So he's her promoter, and so one of
the things he's done has put her in a big spot on these undercards.
Obviously, last year, in April last year, she and Katie Taylor had
what I think goes down is at the moment anyway, the most significant and
biggest, best, most lucrative women's boxing match in the history of women's boxing.
They sold at Madison Square Garden. They put on an ash and that
was a tremendous fight that she lost by a very close flot decision to Katie.
And remember she was moving up to chat she's the featherweight champion. She
was moving up to challenge Katie for the undisputed lightweight title. Now, since
that fight, she won another fight in September where she became the undisputed champion
at featherweight or that was a defense in September. Then she became the undisputed
champion in February of this year and just a barn burner against Erica Hernandez.
And now she's going in with this defense against Hardy. Now, look,
I got nothing bad to say about Heather Hardy. Okay, but this is
a mismatch fight. Heather Hardy is not been the same for years. She
fought Katie Taylor a number of years ago in in twenty nineteen, took an
ass kicking in that fight, lost basically every single round, got beat up
real bad. It was kind of amazing to me that she actually was able
to make it out of the fight. There was a lot of times in
those first three or four rounds where he thought the referee was going to stop
the fight. And I'm not really sure why she's qualified now to have this
rematch other than the fact that supposedly Sronto promised she would fight her again,
because when she fought her the first time, Heather had the title and she
lost it. Parties only had one fight in the last four years, so
you're right, it is strange, but she's getting the apporunity because it's a
rematch, so right. And she also, I mean when she fought she
has had other fights, but she's fought in MMA fights, So in terms
of her boxing matches, yes, she has not had the big fights.
I mean she after the Toronto fight, she was off for almost two years.
She came back and she lost another fight. She's won a couple of
like six and six round and eight round decisions against you know, regular old
opponents. So then look, this is a it's supposed to be a showcase
fight for Serrano and almost like a golden parachute if you will, for Heather
Hardy, who, by the way, has been a credit to women's boxing.
She's made great fights, She's fought everybody, She's always given a great
effort, and she's you know, been a hard worker, and she's never
had the really big payday, so you know, they're paying it forward a
little bit. But if you're buying the pay per view, I think,
uh, you know, you're helping a fund that that that retirement, uh
for for for Heathers. So you know, I just hope that she doesn't
take too much of a beating. What's can I tell you? Uh?
And it was the first time and it's more than likely going to be the
second time. And Serrano is one of the most disciplined, uh technical boxers,
good left hand, and she wants that shot. So we'll see one
of the other fights I'm more interested in that's on the unit card. I'm
not saying it's the most competitive, biggest fight of all time but there's a
female super middlewaiting him, Shadasia Green, who's taken on a woman named Olivia
Curry. Now Green is the mandatory now for uh one of the titles that's
super middleweight. She's the mandatory four for Savannah Marshall and that or you know,
that's that sort of makes things awfully interesting if you ask me, because
she is not well known, but a lot of people think she's got a
real chance to do some serious damage. She's probably the probably the best women's
boxer that's not known, and so she's part of this card. You know,
Jake Paul and his team have done a good job of highlighting and giving
opportunities to some of the better female boxers, like he did with Serranto a
few years ago. So that's one undercard fight I'm sort of intrigued by because
i haven't really seen a whole lot of her, but I've heard a whole
lot about her. Good enough for the Paul Diaz card with Serranto and Hardy
in the rematch the Ladies World Featherweight title fight as the co feature. With
that, let's get to a conversation about a fight not this weekend, but
next weekend. As Oscar Valdez looks to become a world champion again, very
intriguing fight with Emanuel Navaratte of Mexico, who's a hard punching world champ.
Dan spoke with Valdez earlier this week in advance of the fighters getting to Arizona
and the showdown we go to that now. It's my great pleasure to welcome
into our podcast this week. It's the former featheright and junior lightweight world champion
Oscar Valdez from his training camp in Lake Tahoe getting ready for his very important
fight challenging the WBO Junior lightweight champion Emmanuel Neveret August twelfth in the ESPN main
event from the Desert Diamond Arena and Glendale, Arizona. Oscar, thank you
so much for doing this. It's always a pleasure to talk to you.
Have you been what's it going, Dad, you know, if it has
gone well, I'm very excited for this. I feel I feel blessed to
be in this position again. You know, as many people don't, I
lost my fight against Shaker steam is Dot. Theyde the world fall on top
of me. You know, it's going through my own my owner pressure if
you will. You know, lasted about a week and week and have it
fot back and forth mental Jesus, I should have done this, should have
done Dad. They got one day. I just you know, just said,
you know what, forget about that. You know that's in the past.
You know, it's it's life. You know, you do win some
fight and you lose some fights, but you always gotta gotta go forward in
life. That's inside the ring, outside of the rings. So you know,
I just got very motivated. You know, it was a rough year
because I had my reving dream Bot, my ris in the back, and
it was just it was just a hard year. But now that we're back,
you know, I feel blessed. I'm in this position right now.
I feel that everything happens for a reason because my mind is clear. I
feel physically and mentally ready for this fight. I just can't wait to fight
it. Most morning I'm fighting in Glendale. It was a forward because in
my second home. You know, so a lot of people from for Phoenix
are going to be there, from Tucson are going to be there from least
see or my family is going to be there. I'm being very very excited
for this one. Well, you just made a point about the fact that
you're fighting in Glendale, and uh, you know, people know you grew
up in the Tucson area. You have roots to some degree in Arizona.
But obviously you're both Mexican fighters. That's going to be a big Mexican crowd.
I've been thinking to myself, who's going to be the fan favorite,
because you both have are gonna have fans are It's gonna be fifty fifty is
more people are going to travel out to cheer on Oscar Valdez er. What
do you think about how it's going to be in the arena? You know,
I do. I do see a fifty fifty a lot of people,
and I like that because it will sucked for to just have one sighted fight.
You know, all the fans, you know, So you know,
we want to give the fans what they want, which is a good fight.
You know. You know I've heard him saying before. I've been saying
that we want to give a war to the fans. Well, knowing the
way to you guys go at it, I think that they'll start rooting for
whichever guy has got the moment in the in the course of the fight,
now that goes uh. I was looking back at his record a little bit
oscar and you know, because I know he's been around for a while and
he's racked up win after a win, I didn't realize how long it's been
since his one loss, which was a four round fight in the decision loss.
This goes all the way back to two thousand and twelve, and I
wonder, how, how how do you give him his second loss? Which
is obviously the goal here, I mean the goalsest. You know, I
visualize this fight many different ways, you know, I visualize it maybe knocking
about in the first round, Um, knocking about in the last round.
I visualize it, or boxing them. I visualize it broadly, staying in
their painting with Um. I visualize it making a dirty fight, holding the
winning. But I always visualize myself winning, you know, in every in
every way that I've looked at this fight, I visualize myself winning. It
also depends on a week where he brings to the table because a lot of
times we've got a game plan. You know, a lot of these fights
that I had tough fights against Work, the plan was to go out there,
you know, boxman, our jab, I move around the ring and
use my boxing skills because that's something that I learned a lot of my amateur
background. But that worked that one shot to the phase. You know that
that that game plan goes out the window and then we gotta tough it out
and see who who has more heart in there. So it could be one
of those fights. It could be one of those fight, But it all
depends on where he brings to the table. You know, if our slow,
we're gonna start slow. We're gonna start fairs and start fast. Um,
but I'm ready. I'm ready for anything I get on out of thing.
He might not have the most beautiful style out there, but it is
effective. And there's last fight that I've seen. You know, I saw
two things or two things that stand out. One of the first one was
that he got sent to the canvas, and that's I was like, Okay,
you can't send to canvas. He does have a suspect shit that you
can't send a canvas. But the other thing is he does get up.
He does get up. He does fight for first rounds to the last round,
and then that fight he stopped his opponent in later rounds. So you
can't count them out. So I'm want to be prepared for the second I
get out of the second option that the fight you ever sag him to a
canvas, He's gonna damn be ready to fight, to continue fighting. Don't
count them out. So just preparing myself with the better version of my God,
because that's only gonna make me bring the best out of me. Well,
I remind people that was that fantastic fight between him and Leam Wilson from
Australia that you're talking about where he did get knocked down. That was the
fight that you were supposed to be in. You mentioned your back injury,
your rib injury, that was why you were not in that fight, but
you watched from ringside. Uh And he did look vulnerable as you mentioned,
um. And you know in the fight before that, Oscar he struggled.
In his previous fight, he did stop Eduard obayezuh In in retaining the featherweight
belt. This is before he won the vacant belt that he took against Wilson
that you're fighting for coming up. Um, So that's two fights. No,
that was last August. He looked vulnerable again. He looked vulnerable in
the Liam Wilson fight. Maybe had some problems making the way that seemed like,
so he does seem a little bit vulnerable, and I'm wondering that you
kind of think he's maybe there to be taken by somebody of your not only
your chin and your skills, but just your experience of I mean, you
really fought so many top fights and rough fights and you box guys, and
you know he's looked vulnerable. So I'm wondering, is he there to be
taken? Well, I'm if you make a mistaken the damn gonna take advatage
of that because I missed being a champion, missed being proud of myself.
I missed being being inside the ring as a champion, and I'm hunger than
everything out. Like I said, I'm not taking them lately because I've seen
them fight before and it's very impressive to see somebody to go to the cabins
and get up and continue fighting. That's what the record, that's what us
Mexican fighters are recognized for not giving up. So I'm expecting it the best
version of in because I'm coming with everything. Man. Just it's all or
nothing for me. I miss I missed, I miss just miss being a
champion. I would say winn Or Lewis, you should always be proud of
yourself because of the way you conduct yourself in the boxing ring. But one
thing about this fight, you know, is people expected to be, as
you mentioned, a real slug fest, you know, and I've heard,
you know, Top rank has mentioned it. Lots of fans I mentioned it,
you know, they try to compare it to maybe what the burmer House
fight was like that disc could be something similar. Um, when you fought
Miguel Burchelt in what was a very significant fighting in your career. This is
back in twenty twenty one. Fight was also mentioned. It's going to be
a total slug fast two Mexican warriors, very Barrera Morales like. But you
dominated Burtschell, you knocked him out. It wasn't at all like that.
You were just a you know, a one man band in there, just
taking care of business. Uh. Ten rounds, spectacular knockout to win that
fight, to win that title. Uh do you think that was your biggest
and best win because he kind of seemed like he almost basically ended Burchell's career
in a sense. He's fought one since then, but he has never been
the same. It was sad to hear that because I wish it. I
hope it's not true. He's the end of his career as a wish but
the best. But yeah, this could be one of those cases. It
could be one of those cases where it presents itself or being too to look
better than them an opponent A lot of its times. You've got a lot
of cases in boxing, but they're considered a fifty to fifty, but when
they're so high level up, one looks ways appear that the other. We
just saw it with Terence Crawford and all Spence and that was a case with
me, and I'll be appreciate weird soul up there that any little mistake,
I just you know, I just got I was the bigger man that that
night. And it couldn't be the case of this fight, you know,
because thus make fights. You know, if if it was working for me,
with the chance there was, it would have been it would have been
stupid of being to stay in there and baying with them to to give just
you know, to try to give a good fight. It ended up being
a good fight because I ended up knocking them out. But it could be
one of thost cases of well I could out. I don't. If I
see any slight chance to take advantage of a fight win, I'm gonna take
it because, like I said, I just want to be a champion.
I want to be a champion. I missed that. I have to become
a champion because I just have to do it. When you had your you
know, you were not able to do the fight with him on February three.
You mentioned about the back injury, but you did come back in May
fought on the undercard of the Loma, Chenko and Haney event, and you
had a pretty one sided uh, you know, getting some good rounds.
Look good, frankly, fun fight to watch against Adam Lopez. In your
rematch, Uh, was everything okay? Are you? Are you good now?
Everything healthy wise? As far as that rib injury, back injury,
Yeah, the back injury is good, you know, and that you know
that fight. You know a lot of people were calling it. You know,
people can't call it another while you were calling it a tuna fight,
But for me, it wasn't a tuna fight. For me, it was
so it was a regular fight. Taking it very seriously because I know he
was training harder. One of the things that killed fighters the most is in
activity. This is what hurts fighters the most. So I was already a
year out of boxing. So I was like, man, I don't know
how I got react and started the ring. I just kept off thinking about
that. But once I step in the ring, I felt good. You
know, you know, I fought, you know with Adam Lopez. You
know, we did We did his best, I did my best, and
I was at the end. I was trying to stop them, trying to
get the fast what they want. Yeah, I didn't get it, but
the most important thing was just be really good at side there, you know,
and he says, okay, I'm back now. So it wasn't a
tuna fight from those regular files of fight that I had to take very seriously.
But now it was just like, okay, my rig is okay,
everything's fine, Man's fine. Just go for the goal for the big one
now. I think the reason people refer to it today tuna fight is because
this fight between you and Navarette was already sort of on the books, but
you had to win that fight before it could happen. And obviously there's a
difference between fighting Adam Lopez and fighting for the world championship. So you understand
what people talk about that. You also mentioned earlier Oscar about suffering the loss
to Shakur. That's uh, that was May of last year. Uh.
Look, you know you were champion going in, he was a champion.
You guys put it on the line to unify the titles. Obviously, you
know he knocked you down, he came out on top, got the win.
Since then and other fights that he has had. Look, a lot
of people look at Shakur Stevenson. He's moved up now to lightweight. They
put him maybe on the pound for poundless partly because of the big win he
had against you and how he looked against you. And now he's in a
position to fight for the vacant WBC title when it when it becomes vacant.
And I just wanted to know, you know, because he was your opponents.
He's been in the news a lot. How good do you think Shakur
can become? And you faced him for twelve rounds? Think I think I
think he can become the next Floyd Mayweather. I wants a lot to say
right now because but if he stays discipline, the stays focused, he stays
in the gym, and you know, I see his spark in him.
I see his spark in him. Just looking for greatness. He always says
it. So I do believe he can become the next Floyd Mayweather, you
know, because his ring IQ is just I feel this is another level.
You know. It was very frustrating for me to work hard every day.
They do everything right. You die right, you work out, you know,
wake up early, you go to sleep early, you do you live
in Ashton. It's two or three months for this fight, and not even
get close to shit his shots and the closest I got will just almost hit
him. So it was it was very frustrated to see that, and they
just chold me what type of fighter he is, how much ring IQ he
has, what speed he gots? You know, he doesn't have a lot
of power bell. I don't think it's because he and I try to believe
you, because he doesn't try. He just tries to land that shot,
to just secure the rounds. He's a very smart fighter. So I do
visualize him. I do see him has become one of the greats. He
can become someone like Floyd, But it's all up to him. He's all
to him. Floyd was a very disciplined fighter, you know, stayed away
from from all the drugs and alcohol and this that he stayed very focused on
him. I think if Kurt does that, I'll just say that he's doing
that. But if you were doing that and stay focused, I truly believe
he can. You know, I don't see going maybe maybe in the one
forties, maybe have it tougher, but right now I do see him as
one of the best in one thirty five. Yeah, I definitely agree with
you about that. Um. You know, if you beat Navarette, you
win a second world title in the one hundred thirty pound weight class, to
be a three time world champion. I know that's important to you. But
I wonder, besides that, do you what kind of other goals do you
have in boxing? I don't know. Do you have a desire to say
they also compete for a title at one hundred and thirty five? Do you
look at the possibility of unifications at one thirty if you can win this right,
because it does not you. Honestly, you and Navarette are the biggest
names in the division at this time. It seems like you're you know,
you have a bigger name, probably than than Navaretta. Does, So what
do you what do you look at for your future as we go forward here?
So the biggest price for me would would be something that that one of
the charlos have the Canelo has it, Gelfrey, would Jess Taylor, you
know, knowing only the guys are unified, you know, types of fury.
I think that's the biggest, one of the biggest goals. So so
of course, you know, not getting past this fight, you know,
but if you know also win this fight, you know, would love to
unify and become the biggest dreams have become a dispute the world champion. Then
that's the biggest goal for all fighters, and why not try maybe the future
one thirty five. I'm not getting any younger. I'm in a timement,
right you know. Um, I consider me a small one thirty. I
won't be a way smaller than one thirty five. So I gotta I gotta
really think about it. I can't retire without trying it though. That's something
that I have to try no matter what. Going to one thirty five and
trying it out, testing the water is there. But right now my goals
are dominated to one thirty. Like I said, my goal, my biggest
goal right now would be I can become an undisputed world champion. That would
be that would in the world's needs, be that person. And they knew
why not? You know, one day and then I don't know if it's
one year, two years, whatever year, whatever time I got a boxing
go up to one thirty five and test the water is there because it's a
lot of interesting fights over man, and it's like, uh, you know,
I want to one of my biggest goals to leave a good legacy in
life. You know, that's someone like Chavis who was three time in the
world champing three divisions is four times us hours was five times. You know,
ask HOI doing opposing six times? Um? If I retired today,
I don't do nothing in boxing. How could you really say that? I
mean, I was about to wrap up and I hear a fighter like yourself,
who was an Olympian, who was a world champion of two weight classes,
who fought some spectacular, exciting fights that people remember. I'll never forget
the performance against Scott Quig for example, and uh, the spectacular knockout against
Burchelt as an underdog, which I picked by the way, Uh, how
could you say you never accomplished anything. I don't get that, not that
I uncomplish nothing to deperson, but but but in the in the boxing world,
ask about this race. So when you when when when they mentioned when
they mentioned basketball, do we always mentioned yeah, Lebron James obviously the Grays
too much. Majority when they mentioned boxing, you got Floyd where Muhammad Ali
colecting? What do you call these great fighters? And I'll pack it down
to too smaller? Now you can Mexican fighters. So when you mentioned Mexican
fighters, who got Travis? Now cannot what I list the Pinot Quests of
all scientists, you get all these big names. If I worked to that
right now, I'm not at that list right now. I gotta. I
gotta accomplish more things. I gotta, I gotta. I gotta try to
become disputed. I gotta go through another division and conquered another division three times.
There's a very few fighters who are three times world champions in different divisions
as Mexican fighters. So that's something that I have to try to accomplish,
you know, because like I said, I said it's zero five five five
mirats today, certain people will remember remember me, not the whole boxing world.
Well, I'll remember you. Does that matter. I appreciate that.
I really replaced appreciate that. But and I get I get, you know,
every now and then I guess from love, from from from people who
tell me, you know what. I was there when you fought Scott Quig
and it was raining a lot of people. I stayed and they show me
pictures. Then for those people as like man, I really appreciate because you
were so hard to get some some type of recognition of you know, people
um recognize what you've done, you know, hard work. Nobody likes doing
the hard work about having done the having to appreciate what you did. So
for all those people who are picking my career of ups and downs and been
with me and and enjoy my fights, you know, I truly, I
truly appreciate all those people. Well, I've definitely been one of them over
these years. So I appreciate the fights. I appreciate your time. And
I'll just end up by saying best of luck for you in the fight with
Navarette, and I hope we get a good one. Thank you very much,
Oscar. Thank you you have to fight for sure. Appreciate it.
Good stuff, And I know you get a chance to speak with him and
see him, et cetera. And now we get ready for that fight week
next week. Top Rank Boxing and any ESPN will televise any any wrap up
thought, as we had to fight week of navaratte Valdez, no I just
expected to be a heck of a fight. I mean, as people listened
to in our conversation, we spoke a little bit about the expectations that folks
had for a Marera Morales type collision when he fought they Gil Burtchelt, and
it did not develop into that at all because he totally dominated and squared a
spectacular knockout against Burtchelt. Many people think this is going to be another similar
kind of fight in this from the standpoint that it could be Barrera Morales alike
because of the fact that they fight like that they're both Mexicans and that sort
of thing, and you know, hopefully it develops into a more competitive fight
than what happened with Burt Schelt. But this is a really good matchup.
And you know, as people heard, like, you know, Neverets not
looks so great in his last couple of fights, and Valdez only has the
one loss to ship of course Stevenson, which was just a terrible style match
up. He looked good in my mind against Adam Lopez, and uh,
you know, I think he's got a good chance to take this title.
We'll say. But one thing I can say, and I think it came
across the interview. I've always had a friendly relation with Oscar. He's a
young, a really good guy. I know people got mad because he did
have the bad drug test and all that, you know, a few fights
ago, but uh, you know, I've always had a lot of respect
for the way he goes about his business. He just lets it all hang
out in the ring. He's a true warrior and and hopefully we'll see a
great fight, like we like to say that one could be sneaky good as
a firefight coming with sneaky good as in most most U boxing fans don't realize
that one's on the chart and it's coming next weekend in Arizona. Uh,
some fight news now, and then we're gonna hear more about our friends at
PPV dot com in a few moments. Okay, Hey, the WBO has
come up with a ruling late night Wednesday night into Thursday, as we tape
this and release this overnight Thursday into Friday involving Tim Zoo and how they're going
to elevate him to the world champion status with Jamil Charlo getting ready to challenge
Canelo Alvarez. All right, give me the explanation here on what's going on
and U and the latest with Zoo officially going to become the WBO World Champion
at junior middleweight. Yeah, I think that the WBO handled this the proper
way. So what they're going to do is they're going to allow Charlo to
enter the ring as the WBO champion. He introduces the champion therefore will keep
up with the hype which is going to be undisputed versus undisputed when he fights
Canello, you know, being the super middaweight undisputed versus the junior midaweight undisputed.
And when the bell rings, the title will be vacated and the interim
champion, Tim Zoo, who's been waiting for this Charlo fight, had as
scheduled before was postponed, was postponed, whatever, he will be elevated to
the champion. And that's the way boxing works. If you're not going to
fight your mandatory and the other guy wins the interim title. You basically look
back and when he won the interim title against Tony Harrison, who was a
quid quality contender, former champion also in the WBC, that in essence became
the next title fight, and Tim Zoo will become the new champion of the
w BO. In terms of the one fifty four title. It's not a
surprise because even if he wasn't fighting Charlo, there was still a very strong
unlilihood even he had fought Tim Zoo that after that, whoever was going to
be the winner would be unlikely to have kept all the belts intact. And
so unfortunately Charlo's championship reign as the undisputed champion, we'll end will have will
end having made zero defenses of the title, and but not the first time.
And I just hope that uh that that that Tim Zoo you know,
goes on and fights top guys. He seems like the kind of guy that
wants to fight the best competition. I hope that people don't get on his
case and call him an email champion, like those assholes will call Devin Haney
an email champion when the same thing. Zach situation occurred when Loma Chenko went
for the Tiafimo Lopez fight and accepted the franchise title on his own request and
vacated the real WBC title. This is the same exact situation. I don't
blame Charlo for taking on a big, huge money fight against Canelo, and
Tim Zoo is gonna benefit by being elevated. But it's not like he was
unwilling to fight Charlo. So he's not an email champion. He's the WBO
champion come September thirtieth. And by the way, this is also of note.
If something happens and the September thirtieth fight between Tim Zoo, I mean
between Charlo and Canello is postpone or whatever, it doesn't happen, they'll still
vacate the title and Tims will be And so what would be smart is Zoo
gets in the ring listen to me playing matchmaker promoter in like October against somebody
as the world champion to defend, because now you're on the same timeline with
Jamil Charlo to fight him next. In particular, I know they don't want
to be negative, but if Charlo doesn't win against Canelo, he's already,
it's already basically been put out there. He's going to come back to one
fifty four and try to defend those titles. So the undisputed would still exist
potentially, well, it wouldn't exist unless it's a fight with Zoo, and
if and if Charlo gets stripped in the meantime of another belt. But I
mean that that Charlo fight could on the timeline be listen to me being optimistic
early next year something like that. If Zoo goes ahead and fights like around
October something like that, we'll see, we'll see what they elect to do.
Even if even if Charlo came back to fifty four and fought Zoo,
it would be to become undisputed again because he entered the ring as technically and
correct me no to be a unification provided that somebody else does not strip Charlo
in the meantime for not having fought, so we know how that works.
Also, speaking of Devin Haney, all right, so he got some good
news in terms of his court case and his felony charge on a concealed weapons
charge in Los Angeles for a gun being in the car that was dismissed officially
on Thursday morning, in Los Angeles County Court. So again for Bill Haney,
the dad and the trainer. He said at the time back in July
three weeks ago, this is a misunderstanding. It'll get straightened out in court.
He was right for once. For once, we hear that it was
right. So there's a win out of the ring. And we did talk
on the recap podcast that it's looking like Regis program will be the opponent.
Give me more on is the date firming up? We don't know late what
do we think? The bottom line is he is moving up to fight Regis
Progray at one hundred and forty pounds. It's not one hundred percent at the
date that they're looking at Natural Mass said to me, although they told me
specifically, it is not said in October twenty eighth for that matchup. It's
a good matchup and we'll see, I mean. Devin Haney went on the
ESPN Plus card in Las Vegas dis passed Friday night, the night before the
fight between Crawford and Spence, and spoke about, you know, his reasons
to duty. Wants to be a two division champion. He wants to see
how he feels at one hundred forty pounds. Remember, Devin Haney has been
making the lightweight limit since his amateur days, you know, and he's a
grown man now. It's it's been a long time coming to him for him
to take a shot at one forty. I can remember when nat Room Boxing
signed him a few years ago and they were getting ready to do their first
fight together. He spoke, I was at the press conference because it was
the day or day before one of the Canelo fights out there, and already
then he was already talking about moving up and that he might not be at
lightweight for a quite, you know, for a while. And that's like
probably six fights ago, maybe longer ago. So for him to take this
shot, and it's not like he's going in there to just fight own any
old hundred forty pounder. It's going in their fight Regius Program, who you
know, his last performance against Zuri and notwithstanding is uh, you know,
without question, one of the best guys in the weight class in the sport.
I mean, you got Tiefemo Lopez the champion now after beating Josh Taylor,
you got Regis who's got the WBC belt. There's some other quality guys
out there, but he's not going up to wait to just fight and nobody.
He's fighting a really quality guy, and that should be an interesting fight.
I mean, a good style matchup. Regis is a heck of a
puncher, Devin's an outstanding boxer, and uh, you know, I like
the match, and hopefully, you know, they'll get it on and I'll
get done. And then the question is what happens afterwards? If he wins,
I would imagine he's gonna stay at one forty, but there's also the
possibility perhaps he comes back and defends the belts, because they'll hang on to
least some of those belts for the time being. But the main point is
that between one thirty five and one forty there's all kinds of good competition for
all these top guys. Now, wait a minute, I got I got
a squat at the underwear Ray feels Sunday night, when I'm merely brought up,
is he gonna come back and fight at lay? But You're like,
no, No, Ray Feeling is underwear watching Star Wars Sunday night, which
is believing that he's gonna stay at one forty. So now, no,
no, I do believe he'll stay at one forty. But I'm just making
the point that the option will be there because they'll still have some of the
belts. So for the right fight, if he offered him the biggest money,
maybe he would do it. I don't think so, but you never
say never. It is boxing, after all, and so what it does
is it puts with him staying or not staying, but going to one hundred
and forty to fight the fight against Regis program. It means that the WBC
they made him the champion in recess, so his undisputed status is now gone,
but he would have the in the champion in recess, which means he
has the option to challenge for the WBC title in his fight after a program.
In the meantime, they will order shakoorse Stevenson, who is the current
mandatory. They'll go into their ratings. I'm not sure the next guy is.
They'll order Shakor to fight the next available contender for the vacant title,
and that will probably happen sometime in November, and it still leaves open the
possibility either at one thirty five at one forty eventually, because I do think
this fight will happen at some point between Devin Hany and Shakurse Stevenson, which
was a which would be a you know, not a war, not a
super battle, not a Barrera Morales fight, but a one hell of a
box match between two great boxers, you know, guys who really know the
sweet science and know whether how to get around the ring. Shakor is a
superb boxer and you know Devin Hinny's not too far behind in my estimation.
So that's you know, as I've said to you, whenever you have an
undisputed champion and there's mandatories at stake, and guys you're looking for the biggest
fight and they don't necessarily want to do this mandatory that mandatory for different reasons.
You know, it takes a little bit of time, and we're watching
it unfold before our eyes. It's happening at lightweight with what's happening with Devin,
It's happening as we just talked about with Charlow at junior middlewey, these
are good problems that have because it means you're finding unified speed a chance.
All right, good on that, and again we're gonna hear more about PPV
dot com and some nostalgia in a couple of moments all right, so we've
been giving cheery news. Now we got a downer arder Betterbev has got an
injured jaw, an infected jaw, and so that is put that that's a
rare injury. To hear he's not able to fight Callum Smith coming up here
in August. That fight is now off. Give me a little more on
what else you found out about that that's a doubter. Well, it's all
for the time being, it's going to be rescheduled. I mean they're talking
about maybe having it in November. It's all going to depend on the health
of Arthur Betterbiev. Apparently from what I was talking to the folks at the
top rank about, he had to go have a tooth extracted, like you
know, you had some problem with it whatever in your tooth. He got
the tooth taken out, which would not normally have been any kind of issue,
and be when that tooth was taken out, there was the situation that
unfolded after that as he wound up with a infection in his bone in his
job because of the extraction, which sounds kind of gross and kind of serious
and puts him on the shelf for a bit. So this mandatory defense against
Callum Smith, which I was really looking forward to, was supposed to be
August nineteenth, and Quebec City has been postponed and hopefully he'll heal up quickly
and they can reschedule it. I was told if he's better, they're looking
at November for that fight, but there's always the possibility that he won't be
ready to go and it may end up being pushed into the earliest part of
next year. So hopefully he'll be able to recover quickly and we'll get this
fight on because if he's not fighting an undisputed fight against the meet your b
ball, it's probably like the next best fight you can make in the division.
Callum Smith has looked very good since he's moved up and wait, and
I thought I was looking forward to that fighting. And again I've had wisdom
teeth out. I don't know about you, but there's always a risk of
infection. And by the way, if your jaws infected, you don't need
to be getting hit in your jaw common sense, you're savages. That's no
fun. Moving on on the news, we get an undisputed women's junior welterweight
rematch upcoming that's officially announced for November. We gotta wait a little bit,
but Chantel Cameron Katie Taylor is going to happen again November twenty fifth, back
in the three Arena in Dublin, Ireland, Katie's home area, same place
where they fought their first fight. That was absolutely spectacular, tremendous fight that
took place in May, Katie's long awaited homecoming fight, and Chantel Cameron went
in there as the underdog and in a tremendous battle. I mean, and
maybe it wasn't quite the level of the Serrano and Katie Taylor fight that we've
discussed, but it was one heck of a fight. And you know,
Katie got beat that night. She lost a close call to Cameron. It
wasn't like a blowout, but she lost, and she had the right to
the rematch. She exercised that right. The rematch will take place November twenty
fifth. Remember, she's still being disputed champion in the lightweight division, but
she's now going to have her second consecutive fight in the Junior Wealth the right
division China to win that title and also avenged a loss. So there's definitely
some big stakes there for for everybody given that you never want to lose two
in a row. And you know Katie the Katies and had the pressure on
back at home and another big fight. And as we keep saying, I
realize you and I are in the United States, this is a big deal
in Ireland. She is a big deal. She's not the biggest star of
all sports and item, but she is a big deal and so this is
the rematch for her and we'll see how it goes there. Now, you
did mention while somewhat clothed in the hotel while we were doing the recap about
Leewood and Josh Warrington that has now been made official by match Room later in
the week, and the undercard fight a reschedule for Terry Harper and Cecilia break
Who's is also going to have to give us more on this fighting of these
top women are fighting each other. I mean, it's it's happening in the
men's side of sport, but it seems much more easy to do and much
more regular in terms of women's boxing. So Harper, remember she was supposed
to fight Cecilia breck Whus, who was the long time pound for pound number
one woman's boxer. She had been the undisputed welterweight champion for a long long
time. They were supposed to fight and on the undercard when Chantel Cameron and
Katie Taylor had their fight back in May, and on the morning of the
fight, brek Whus was ill when she woke up and had to pull out
of the fight, which was a disappointment for everybody. So they have rescheduled
that fight. So Harper roll now fighter on October seventh. It will be
for Terry's WBA Women's one hundred and fifty four pound title as well as the
vacant WBO title, So it's an opportunity for her to become a unified champion
and also a chance for Cecilia to win a title two titles in the second
weight division. Look, Harper's twenty six years old. She's fighting very well.
She's fourteen one and one and she's been in good form. She was
a former champion at one hundred thirty pound. She did the thing that's sort
of rare, she moved up in multiple weight classes all at once. And
Cecilia it's thirty seven and two with nine knockouts, but she's forty one and
not getting in the younger and has had a long career. Keep in mind
she held that title, the welterweight title either. You know, she first
won the belts, two of them at once, and then became on the
street. But she held a welterweight title from two thousand and nine to two
thousand and twenty. And even when she lost the fight and the belts to
Jessica McCaskill in their first fight, that was a very close fight and a
lot of people thought that Cecilia was the rightful winner. She did legitimately lose
in their rematch, but nonetheless, she's been an outstanding fighter for a long
time. I feel very confident I say this, CJ. Whatever happens between
break House and and Terry Harper, when it's all said and done, Cecilia
breck House is going to sail into the International Boxing Hall of Fame on the
first battlet she should, and she did. One of the top probably four
three, four five women's boxers of all time. And I'm confident saying that
she won what twenty five I've title fights in a row at welterweight. I
feel very confident in saying this. I always joke with you, You've got
to be careful of words like always, be careful, don't say the word
never be as those are permanent. Be careful of the phrase I love you,
savages, peeps, just be careful of these words. I am confident
in saying to you, You're not ever going to see somebody win twenty five
title fights in a row in the same division, men's or women's. Again,
that is remarkable that she could make weight, would care to continue to
do it for eleven years and twenty five title defenses in one division. I
don't think you'll see that anymore. Listen, you can't compare men's boxing in
women's body. I understand that from the history of the sport, right because
of how long women's box or how long men's boxing has been around, the
depth of the sport compared to the depth in the women's side of things.
But just on the raw numbers, just on the stats, that's the same
number of title defenses, which is the all time men's record that Joel Lewis
made in win's boxing and was considered you know, either him or Muhammad Ali
is the greatest heavyweight of all time. So she's in good company, is
the point I'm making, And she's got a chance to win a second world
title. And on the analogy before the savages lose their mind, a heavyweight
can weigh a few pounds more or you know, significantly more because you're a
heavyweight. She made one forty seven for what did you say, eleven years
of championship fights. That's incredible in and of itself. It's Bernard Nono darna
Air making bantam weight for that long. At that Bernard Hopkins made twenty middleweight
title defenses and made a hundred pounds for all those years. So some people
put a premium on this guy went from one weight class to the next,
the next, the next, and kept moving up and winning belts and doing
damage as they moved up to scale. People like Oscar Daloy won titles and
six weight divisions a man to Toronto as a female boxer has done it in
seven weight classes, although she's gone up and come down nanny pack of course,
in the men's side of things, winning the record titles and eight different
weight classes from from flyweight all the way to junior to junior middleweight. So
that's that's hard to do also, But I find there's something refreshing and interesting
about somebody that for years and years and years can just stay solid, make
that weight constantly every single time, and just wipe out an entire generation of
fighter division, which is what Cecilia did, what Bernard Hopkins did, and
what others. Marvin Hagler. Nobody bitches and moans that Marvin only fought his
hulker as a middleweight. Nobody says, well, you know, he's he's
not that good because he never went up and tried to win the title at
super middlewaich really didn't exist when he was still boxing her light heavyweight. I
mean, it's it's ridiculous. Both of them are impressive. You can stay
in one weight class for an extended period and be great, or you can
skip over and move up and down and win a bunch of titles against good
opponents. Also, that's impressive also, so what she's done is impressive.
And this is like going to be I think her first fight as a full
fledged junior middleweight. So she's still has made weight even for non title fights.
She's made one hundred and forty seven or close to it, and now
she's going for the titles at one fifty four. So I wish her luck.
She's a nice woman and she's a hell of a fighter. Good enough,
let's get to some more about the Paul Diaz fight than some nostalgia momentarily,
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about that. Good to be back with you, my friend, because we
were just around each other out at Crawford Spence in Las Vegas. And here
we are right back again on PPV dot Com with another big time event.
First of all, good to see you in person. Good to have you
here as part of our podcast coverage on Big Fight Weekend. How are things
as we roll into a new week and a new event. Yeah, thanks
for having me back. Things are great. It's rare that you have two
big events, much less two big pay per views on back to back weekend,
and we have at this time. So we're thrilled to have both and
there's room plenty of room under the tent for both events, so we think
it's going to be another big night on Saturday Night, no doubt. We
have been asking everybody their take. I did not get a chance to get
your take after what happened. How surprised were you? I think, like
the rest of us, that it was so much a one sided, really
beat down by Terence Crawford in that fight. Put the fight fan hat on
for a second. How surprised were you? Like the rest of us,
I was very surprised. You know, I had Spence winning round one by
slight margin, but you know, not not convincingly, but I had him
up on the scorecard and that was it. After that, it was complete
and total domination by Terence Crawford. And you know, I give Crawford all
the props in the world. He seemed to be the harder puncher, he
seemed to be faster, he seemed to have better to beat defense. Nothing
that Spence was throwing seemed to affect Crawford at all. So it was just
complete and total domination. Just kudos to Crawford for a really outstanding performance,
no doubt. And I've gone so far as to say, from what I
have seen now, including in personal the other night, I believe he could
have competed with Leonard Hearns, Hagler, Duran and the Kings. I don't
know if you want to join in on that. And the only other fighter
I would say in these weight classes and in the eras since forty years ago.
I'm getting that old Mark was maybe Oscar dal la Joya that I would
have said could have competed with those guys. I think Bud Crawford could have
competed with those guys. Just real quick, one more time. You're gonna
go along with me on that. I am with the way he looked on
this past Saturday night against Arrow Spence. Absolutely agree. Couldn't agree more.
Love it all right. And by the way, for the fans, you
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Tell me more about that. I know it went very well last week
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All right, let's segue at Jake Paul obviously a very prominent popular social
media, YouTube star, etc. He has had a boxing startup to his
career. It got it got kind of derailed with the loss to Tommy Fury.
Well, now he is back. He is fighting a former UFC champion,
an MMA star in Nate d As. These two guys genuinely do not
like each other. Tell me more about the build up for this in Dallas,
with Jake Paul's return and Nate Daz his debut in a boxing ring.
Yeah, so I think you're right. I think you know, Jake had
a little bit of a blemish with his loss to Tommy Fury, But at
the same time, I think he took the loss really well, which was,
Hey, I got beat. I'm a boxer, I'm an up and
coming boxer. I'm gonna take losses, so let me try to continue on
my journey. I don't think Jake Paul had to keep going undefeated in order
to be considered a fairly legitimate boxer. Listen, could he compete with a
top you know boxer, you know, absolutely not, but I think he
would admit that. I also don't buy into, by the way, the
narrative that Jake Paul and these other social media fights are bad for boxing.
I do believe strongly, and we see the data to back it up.
It does bring in a whole new type of audience to the sport. So
anytime we're going to get a Jake Paul fight, we're excited. I think
with this fight this weekend against Nate Diaz. The great thing about Nate,
Nate doesn't give a hoot about anything, right. Nate goes in there and
he's just like, you know what, I'm just gonna go after this and
whatever happens happens. And sometimes that's the most dangerous guy, the guy that
doesn't. Karen doesn't have anything to lose. And my hand is up because
I was in the building for the Jake Paul knockout of Tyron Woodley, here
in Tampa and it was full. It was nineteen thousand plus. It was
a younger crowd and there was a lot of heat against Jake Paul. There
was a lot of booing when he came to the ring, which was wild.
So we'll see what we get in Dallas on Saturday. For this it's
kind of a love hate thing and he's got a booming right hand, there's
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Okay, great piece of nostalgia. There was twenty six years ago that
Roy Jones avenged his disqualification loss and how with a first round knockout of Montelle
Griffith Griffin. Remember he had hit Griffin while Griffin was on the canvas and
got DQ came back and knocked him out for real Dan Raphael on August the
seventh, So that anniversary is a Monday, nineteen ninety seven, But you
want to focus on another fight that was the two two thousand and seven fight
of the year, Israel Vasquez Wafael Marquez. This anniversary actually coming on Friday,
as we released the podcast tell Me More About that WBC Junior Featherweight title
fight sixteen years ago. These guys fought four times overall, Vasquez and Marquez
we kind of try to ignore and disassociate from. The fourth fight is kind
of like disavowing it, like we disabout what the star Trek five and Rocky
five. I mean, yeah, he said grease grease too. It's just
so utterly forgettable that it was just a disacliming that it should never really happened.
But suffice it to say, their first three fights were all time,
action packed fights. The second fight and the third fight were their years Fight
of the Year two thousand and seven and two thousand and eight. And if
the only reason that the first fight wasn't the fight of the year also was
because it took place in the same calendar year as the first fight, So
yet bona fight. Fight of the years really could have been three it with
just a few months difference that had been in the previous year the first fight,
but when they met in the rematch, you know, it was like
the first fight just balls to the wall, all out action. Third fights
probably the best of the three actually, but in that particular fight. The
second one that we're talking about, Israel Vasquez stopped Rafael Marquez, who was
inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame just a few months ago in June in
the rematch to regain the WBC's junior featherweight title. In that just an all
action fight. He had lost to Marquez in the t marquees in the first
fight, which was also tremendous. These were all four of their fights were
on showtime, and you know, one of the one of my regrets.
As many fights as I have been to, as many fights as I have
traveled for all around this country, some fights internationally, I've got a chance,
and I've seen Rafael and Israel fight other fights in person for different reasons,
I never was at any of their fights against each other. Amazingly enough,
a matter of fact, on the night that this fight that we're talking
about took place on August fourth, two thousand and seven, I was I
just because I could. I knew. I was like, I knew there
was a reason I didn't go to that fight, and I looked up on
box wreck to see where the heck I was on that night, and as
it turns out, I was in Rosemont, Illinois that night, covering David
Diaz against Eric Moralis for when David Diaz had won and became the WBC's lightweight
champion that night, and there were some other you know, title fights and
other guys on that car. So I went to to Rosemont to cover that
pay per view and the other fight took place on showtime. But just an
absolutely fantastic battle between them, and I don't think that trilogy, we'll call
it a trilogy. Even though they did have that fourth fight, it doesn't
get to kind of love that Marrera Morales gets that that uh Gaddy and Ward
gets that Riddick bow and a Vander Holyfield gets. I mean, but these
are every bit as good in terms of just the pure action and just violence
and just drama and you know, blood and knockdowns and heart and will and
a reason why it's the fight of the year peeps from two thousand and seven.
That's what is saying that was that was a truly great fight to second
fight, and uh, like I said, my one of my I you
know, I'm never gonna not be appreciative of all the fights I've gotten a
chance to be ringside for. But you know, what if I had to
like say, what's what's the disappointment? It's like, you know what,
I can't believe I didn't get to go to any of the three fights between
Marquez and Vasquez, but both warriors and tremendous fights. Tremendous from you.
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