1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:08,000 This is London Calling. It's clear there was a major government of effort in 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,560 the United States, in Great Britain, across the EU, and it's now 3 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:17,399 happening around the world where there has been significant censorship over the last three years 4 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:24,719 of disfavored views that were often very accurate, including telling people's personal experiences of 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:30,079 an experimental drugs side effect. It's been in the public interest to fight for 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:41,159 knowing the side effects of drugs. Welcome to London Calling with me James, 7 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:47,399 Dennycote and my very good friend mister Tybee Young types. I I'm proud to 8 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:55,679 say that that one session in the gym with my son paid off because I 9 00:00:55,799 --> 00:01:00,479 just went to went to my chiropractice one of my routine, like, you 10 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,479 know, how bad is my back sessions? And I said, I hope 11 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:04,599 you're going to tell me on my back. So Kenny said, well, 12 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,239 it's all right. But what I did notice is when you took off your 13 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,519 shirt you had quite good muscular definition. Wow. And that was just after 14 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,719 one session. I think I've got one of those bodies that that is. 15 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,719 You know, I'm like a race horse, as we know, and it 16 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:27,920 responds very quickly to to wow. That's that's that's a very immediate result. 17 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,840 I thought it would took a bit longer than that before you began to see 18 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,799 results. But one thing is it to be fair, I do already go 19 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:38,719 for one fitness session, you know, one PT session a week. So 20 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,760 by doubling it, I mean, by by doing two, I doubled my 21 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,840 rate. Apparently you are meant to do at least two, aren't you at 22 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,480 our age? Otherwise you're you are I've got to get around to it. 23 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,560 My my, my children, like yours, are constantly telling me I need 24 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:57,480 to start getting to the gym and doing some resistance training. Have you noticed 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,799 that that that generation, our kids generation? And I mean I think you 26 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:01,840 know, even though your kids are a bit younger than mine, I think 27 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:07,719 that broadly that they belonged to the same generation, same cohort um. They're 28 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,800 much much more into the gym than then our generation, I mean, almost 29 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,759 any generation. I think they're really they're they're real gym bunnies. Yeah, 30 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:20,400 I think that's probably generally true. Though I went through a stage in my 31 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,599 twenties when I used to go to the gym pretty regularly. Um. I 32 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:28,360 got into it when I was a graduate student at Cambridge. Actually, now, 33 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,639 I first got into it when I was a graduate student at Harvard. 34 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,400 This isn't just a way of dropping into the conversation that I went. But 35 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,840 yeah, I first got into it. I first began going to the gym 36 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,560 when I was at Harvard, and I took up swimming too, and I 37 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:46,520 lost a fair amount of weight and began to bulk up a little bit at 38 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,000 the same time, muscularly from a muscular point of view. So um, 39 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,240 yeah, and it stuck with me for a while. So maybe I was 40 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,639 a bit of an outlier back then. I problems types. I've had a 41 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:02,199 really annoying day today because I was doing my my Spectator TV review, of 42 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,080 which more in a moment we'll talk about some of the things I've been watching. 43 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,120 But um, then I heard this noise, this this water pouring noise 44 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:17,000 outside, And it was the noise of my son overflowing the shower and the 45 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:22,520 and the water going through the floorboards and taking out all the electrics, um 46 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:29,719 and and and so I tiny things like I couldn't. I couldn't. I've 47 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:32,240 got quite a sort of bad short term memory, you know. I couldn't 48 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,800 remember the name of the actress who played Blah blah in in thingy what's her 49 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:39,000 name? And so and all these things like I could no longer do because 50 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,439 I couldn't gain access to the internet to look up this stuff, um, 51 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:46,360 all these things that take So I ended up sort of bashing it out on 52 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:50,360 my laptop, which I hate doing because because the posture is appalling. And 53 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,719 you know, as we were suggesting earlier at our age, you've really got 54 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:57,520 to got to take care of your posture otherwise you you know, and your 55 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:00,800 muscles and everything else, because you just decay, become more crap. And 56 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,039 then I had to go to my my chropractic, which I mentioned earlier, 57 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:09,400 and then I had to grab some lunch and then do this. So I'm 58 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:14,479 feeling a bit flustered. It's probably understood. Could you not connect to the 59 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,759 internet using your phone or look up No? Because the phone no, because 60 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:21,959 unlike you you've got you've got the ether in London, which is full of 61 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:28,480 signals. Um, we don't have that here. We live in a depend 62 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,920 on You're in a not spot rather than a hot spot. Yeah, yeah, 63 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:34,519 exactly. Okay, now just on that, James, I've noticed one 64 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:39,959 thing that irritates me about my children is how long they spend in the shower. 65 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:45,839 I'd always thought of the shower as a very quick, efficient alternative to 66 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:49,160 a bath. A bath takes, you know, at best, twenty minutes, 67 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:53,399 so you have to run it and then adjust the temperature to get in, 68 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:55,560 get out, let the bath, order out. But a shower, 69 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,600 I can get in and out of the shower, do everything I need to 70 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,279 do in about three minutes. So I just don't understand, Well, my 71 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,639 children just stand there, you know, in the flow, luxuriating for seemingly 72 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,680 hours on end. Can I ask you some questions to you? Are they 73 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,360 are they male teenagers? By any any chance they are male teenagers? What 74 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:19,000 do male teenagers do all the time? I don't just well you say that, 75 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:23,800 I mean, I remember from my male teenage days that sometimes it can 76 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,639 be quite quite a lot of effort before you finally get that. That would 77 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,240 be my analysis. It's horrible your son called, But your son's no longer 78 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,000 a teenager, so that can't be his excuse. Sure, no, and 79 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:41,839 no, well who knows, who knows? It's it's horrible thinking of our 80 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,000 children in this way. It just like like they find it appalling to think 81 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,480 that we might have any any manner of U sex life at our reverend age. 82 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,839 It's um you know, um oh. And the other thing I wanted 83 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:59,560 to mention to you, but I learned on my my health trip today was 84 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,279 that the large amount of money I spent on authotics at my for my You 85 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:08,399 know what authotics are. They these sort of inserts you put in your feet 86 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:13,240 because your feet start to collapse. And so, my son, is it 87 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,720 because you've got a fallen arches? You flat footed or fallen? Yeah, 88 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,560 well that same thing. I'm flat footed, So then you weren't born flat 89 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,519 footed, you developed flat footedness. I probably was born flat footed. Tabes. 90 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,800 The thing is, so they haven't fallen, they've always been on the 91 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:33,199 ground as it were. Well, I don't know, I don't know. 92 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:36,639 I don't know exactly. I'd rather not think about it about the cause I 93 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:44,480 just know that my my feet are just pretty pretty manc And I, um 94 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,240 so I spoke to my my current proctor, who I trust on these matters, 95 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,399 and he said, I said, you know, our authotics work worth 96 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:53,399 it? And he said, oh, let's look at what you've got and 97 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:56,439 he said, wow, I don't know. They kind of saw you coming. 98 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,600 Um. Yeah, they sort of okay and sort of not. I 99 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:02,079 said, well, what are you telling me? He said, I think 100 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:08,399 you should get some of those barefoot Massi shoes. He said, they're really 101 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:10,519 good. He said that that's what you want to be doing. You want 102 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:15,560 to get your get your feet muscles working again. And the barefoot technology stuff 103 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:17,160 is it works and it's and it's real, and that's what you should be 104 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,160 doing. So that's what I'm going to do. So you're gonna get You're 105 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:26,519 gonna get some of those bare feet running shoes. Yeah right, crikey, 106 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:30,000 So what would your kale? You're not spot your barefoot running shoes, you 107 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,240 are basically you'll be off grid, off grid. I'm over kale. I 108 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,920 don't. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm much more. I really, I'm 109 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:44,920 a bit like bear grills. I think. I think vegetables generally are a 110 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,879 bit of an imposition and an unnecessary thing. They're full of poisons, They're 111 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:53,199 full of vegetables are full of poisons designed to protect the plants from insects, 112 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:57,079 and we could eliminate I mean, look, I'm preaching the talk. I'm 113 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:59,879 talking the talk. I'm not walking the walk here. I would love to 114 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,560 go full keto. But um, I know that I'd get so much ship 115 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,319 from the wife that I'd never got away with it. But I is what 116 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:13,120 an all meat diet pretty much? Yeah, I can't be dealing with vegetables. 117 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,759 There they're they're stupid that there there are another contrary and another siop. 118 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,480 I mean that whole thing about have you had your five vegetables a day? 119 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:28,000 That's just government propaganda designed to kind of leure you away from meat. It's 120 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,679 not. But it isn't. Isn't your doesn't your five a day include a 121 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,360 portion of meat? It isn't. It isn't It isn't just five vegetables a 122 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,600 day. Yeah. Sure, But the whole, the whole, the whole 123 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:45,120 promotion of vegetables being some kind of essential panaceum is just utter nonsense. I 124 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:48,399 mean that obviously the whole of the vegan movement is utter, utter, utter 125 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:54,360 nonsense on stilts with bells on it. But even the even the promotion of 126 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,039 vegetables, I think is is a is a con We should just be eating. 127 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,840 We're designed to eat meat, We're meant to eat meat. Okay, 128 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,519 as bad girls as I mean, I mean, I have I have some 129 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,320 doubts about bad girls. But on that score, he's absolutely on the money. 130 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:15,399 Don't you find look at his body. Don't you find that the higher 131 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:18,919 the meat content of your diet, the longer you spend on the laboratory. 132 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:26,120 Without wishing to spell it out too expressively at all, take complan or silium 133 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:31,639 husks at the same time, not at all. I just the only thing 134 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,799 that I find that gives me problems on that front is morphine. Um. 135 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:41,039 You know, when you when you've got black pain or something or I mean, 136 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,919 I'm not on morphine at the moment, but I think morphine does give 137 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,039 you tremendous constipation. But no, just eating me is fine, fine, 138 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:52,279 okay? Um, So any anything of interests this weekend or in the past 139 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,759 week, James, I spent the weekend staying with a friend in the country, 140 00:09:56,799 --> 00:09:58,759 which was nice. Took Caroline, she played a bit of one country, 141 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:03,240 went for a walk in the grounds. It was in um it was 142 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,279 near Basingstoke. Do you get do you get scared of being in the country 143 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,120 terbs? Do you do you do you get scared of cows and yeah, 144 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,679 and insects and stinging nettles? Because I'm so rarely in the country. Yeah, 145 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,080 scared of being run over by a horse. Well, to be fair, 146 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,720 TIBs, you did kill a blackbird last time I saw you. You 147 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,480 know, you think it was a crow or something. I don't know. 148 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:28,440 That must have been someone else, James. I don't think I killed a 149 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,720 blackbird or anyway. No, I quite like being in the country. I've 150 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:37,039 sometimes sort of talked to my wife about whether we'd like to live in the 151 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,320 country like you do, and I think I think we'd both struggle with being 152 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,279 outside London, having become completely accustomed to living in London, for you know, 153 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,399 because we've lived most of our lives either in London or other big cities. 154 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,960 I think I'd feel a bit isolated and a bit lonely and having to 155 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,200 having to kind of drive to the shop, you know, and make a 156 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,879 bit of an expedition of it, not being able to rely on, you 157 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:03,240 know, being able to get the internet on my phone. All of that, 158 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,879 I think would be I've become so accustomed to kind of urban living that 159 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,519 I think i'd find it. I think I would struggle a bit. But 160 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:15,600 you sound to me like a like a prisoner saying how how handy is his 161 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,000 cell is? And he gets regular, regular meals pushed through the hole and 162 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,399 the floor, and and you know, lots of people to talk to when 163 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,919 you get let out and stuff. I just go every time I go to 164 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:33,240 study Cahnes London. Now I look around and I everywhere seems to be under 165 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:41,440 construction, all these all these cones and and cordoned off areas of road and 166 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,360 stuff and cranes and stuff. And you wonder what sinister purpose that hats. 167 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:50,840 I'm damn sure that it is sinister. And then you get twenty mile last 168 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:56,399 speed limits so that you can't even drive normally anymore, and expect not to 169 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,919 be ticketed, that that they are out to get you every which way. 170 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,240 And Londoners seemed to be because of the on the on the boiling frog slow 171 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:09,000 boiling frog principle. You Londoners can't see what an awful place London is. 172 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,240 So what are the benefits of living in the country. What do you enjoy 173 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:18,320 about hunting that can only be about half a dozen times a year? What 174 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,000 about the rest of the year? Um, well, the green and pleasant 175 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,600 land I suppose m. Do you go for walks after lunch? Yea walks 176 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,159 in the morning. I give I go. I give for a run every 177 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:35,600 morning with the dog. And for example, this morning I saw I saw 178 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,759 startled deer with their sort of white bobberty tails, bobbing up and down as 179 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:45,440 they as they prompt away from me. Um. I saw various kinds of 180 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:48,480 well, you know, we get green woodpeckers and stuff. And I see 181 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:54,600 the swallows have come back this year again and they're nesting in the outhouse opposite 182 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,559 the bathroom, and I like, I like the countryside. I mean, 183 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,320 unfortunately it has been industrialized by the green movement, by you know, things 184 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,679 like wind turbines and solar panels and stuff, so that they are slowly ruining 185 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,240 it. But then I mean, they're ruining the whole world. So this 186 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,320 stuff is inevitable. It's you know, it's all going. But yeah, 187 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:22,159 I think the countries still you can get you can go a bit mad in 188 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,600 the country without anyone noticing you. Ever, everyone can become a bit more 189 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:28,960 eccentric and become themselves. Which that's interesting because it used to be that people 190 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:37,159 moved to cities in order to kind of be themselves because they weren't pleased by, 191 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,960 you know, the spying eyes of members of their local rural community. 192 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,679 You've got a good point. You could get a bit of anonymity and a 193 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,879 bit more freedom in the city. And if you were a bit deviant or 194 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:52,559 eccentric, you generally could lead a kind of less troubled, more independent life 195 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,000 in cities. Yeah, then you could in the country. I mean, 196 00:13:56,039 --> 00:14:01,559 one of my theories about why there's why, why there's why we're in the 197 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:07,440 midst of a free speech crisis is that the threat to free speech diagnosed by 198 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:11,759 de Tocville and J. S. Mill in the nineteenth century, which was 199 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:20,559 the tyranny of the majority that applied in towns and villages and in rural communities 200 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:28,559 where the opinion of the majority could be expressed at town hall meetings and the 201 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:31,799 rest of it. And if you if you were a dissenter, you would 202 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:37,519 be identified by your peers and socially ostracized, particularly if you trespassed on your 203 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,600 community's sacred values. So people moved to cities and where they could be a 204 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:50,200 bit more nonconformist, and particularly if they weren't Anglicans or Catholics. But the 205 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,679 the what social media has done in the last fifteen years is recreate that oppressive, 206 00:14:54,799 --> 00:15:01,200 intolerant atmosphere atmosphere of smaller communities. By if you now dissent within your 207 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,639 peer group, you can be kind of persecuted and ostracized in a way that 208 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:09,240 you could be in the nineteenth century, which means that Mill and Topville's warnings 209 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,200 and now kind of relevant. Again, I grew some of what you're saying. 210 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,720 I mean, village communities can be sort of censorious, and they can't. 211 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,840 I mean, I don't live in a village. Then one of the 212 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,000 reasons I didn't really want to live in a village particularly, or maybe I 213 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:30,440 wouldn't mind on the edge, is that people know your business, and I 214 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,200 don't like people know in my business. But then I suppose I'm being spied 215 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,120 on all the time by the security services, so I suppose I should get 216 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,600 used to the idea. I mean, you know, I don't know whether 217 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:43,480 you are, but I'm sure. I'm sure I am. But I can't 218 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:46,679 buy into your analysis that the reason that people moved to the cities was because 219 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,919 was some sort of act of free choice whereby they wanted to sort of forge 220 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:58,759 a new life where they weren't being judged by by petty petty village communities. 221 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:02,960 The reason they moved to the cities overwhelmingly was economic. They had to get 222 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:07,200 get get the work. And in the same way, now there was there 223 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,039 was a drive from their World Economic Forum and the Triateral Commission and the Committee, 224 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:18,159 the powers that be. They want to force us into cities to realize 225 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,320 their grand project of depopulating the country and controlling us in these designated zones. 226 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:26,000 But I don't think. I don't think in any stage in history is the 227 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:33,600 move to town's been a kind of a sort of decision made to avoid village 228 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,639 communities. I mean that that's that's not I thought. I mean, I 229 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,919 think it may have been. It may well. I agree that the main 230 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:48,200 driver will have been economic, but it may have been a byproduct that that 231 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:57,600 greater freedom, greater social liberalism, tolerance for descent coincided with urbanization in the 232 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:04,400 nineteenth and twentieth century, and that benefit is now rapidly disappearing, thanks in 233 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:10,880 part to the rise of social media. Yeah, and even more so that 234 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,720 the sort of the power of the growing power of the state and the inability 235 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,119 of people to resist, the reluctance of people to resist. I mean, 236 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,279 we can talk about that in a bit a bit later on because I wanted 237 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:29,160 to talk to you about these various journalists being detained and questioned for five hours 238 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,319 when they come to come to the UK. But maybe we'll do that in 239 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,599 another section. So we get onto that next. Why don't we just hear 240 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,200 from one of our sponsors first, which is the Living Care Company? 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She currently 256 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:06,039 lives in in Syria, and she reports on things like what's going on in 257 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:10,440 Syria and what's going on in the Ukraine, and and and so forth. 258 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:17,480 So these two and I think one more have been we came to the UK. 259 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,680 I mean they're British born, came to the UK and would interrogated for 260 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:30,720 five hours by the counter Terror police for writing the kind of articles which I 261 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:34,759 would not have been embarrassed to write. I mean, stuff questioning the narrative 262 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:41,680 about about the Ukraine, say and Russia, the narrative about Syria. I 263 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,319 mean Vanessa for example, has been very very good, assiduous at exposing the 264 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:51,119 scam of the Remember the White Helmets, the White Helmets who were supposed to 265 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:56,480 be heroes of the Syrian resistance and jolly good people, and in fact they 266 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,640 were completely in bed with with what one or other of the terror groups. 267 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:07,759 And we're probably um bonded by by the UK Security Services inter alia. UM. 268 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,839 But so what I wanted to ask you was do you think that the 269 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:21,160 counter terror police have any business interrogating British journalists for five hours about articles that 270 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:23,440 kind of I mean, we're talking about kind of articles that I would write. 271 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,720 Yeah, No, it does. See I haven't, I haven't. 272 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:33,599 I'm not completely across these episodes, so I haven't really been following it. 273 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,200 But it does sound pretty over the top. They live, they live overseas, 274 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,640 do they, and they were returning to Britain and they were detained at 275 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:47,519 at when they entered the country. I don't know. I don't know what 276 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:52,480 kick Clarenberg's residential stuff. Oh he lives. He says he lives in Yugoslavia 277 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:57,039 acorn To, so presumably he comes in and out. I know that Vanessa 278 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:03,200 lives in Syria but occasionally come back to to the UK. UM. I 279 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,319 mean it makes me realize that that, UM, if were I ever to 280 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:14,000 be driven abroad, UM to flee abroad and I came back, I'll bet 281 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,480 I'll bet i'd get I'd get similar to But why aren't you just why aren't 282 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,119 you detained anywhere when you return to them when you come back to the UK 283 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,279 supposed to. Well, that's that's that's an interesting, interesting question. All 284 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:33,240 I know is that Vanessa, who had quite a few times on my podcast 285 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:41,039 and I think is admirable, um that our security company services haven't absolutely no 286 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,359 question, you know, no business questioning her. It seems to be an 287 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,720 outrageous infringement of her free speech rights. And I just I mean, I 288 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,960 was just curious to see what your your take on this state of affairs was. 289 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,839 When we now have journalists who are being questioned for doing their job, 290 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,279 just reporting on stuff. Yeah, no, it does. It sounds like 291 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:06,559 something the Free Speech Union should be across. I noticed that the National Union 292 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:15,960 of Journalists, which isn't isn't the most robust of trade unions, has has 293 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:22,880 issued a statement objecting, i think, to the fact that Kit was detained 294 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:30,079 and questioned by counter terrorism officers. Yeah, it does. It does sound 295 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:36,759 pretty sinister. I guess it's of a piece with this. Did you see 296 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:45,319 the Telegraph published the fruits of an investigation on Friday? I think it was 297 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:59,279 It was essentially their version of Big Brother Watches investigation into the employment of various 298 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,359 shadowy agencies within Whitehall departments, particularly the Cabinet Office and DCMS, but also 299 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:11,119 I think the Home Office during the pandemic, to monitor the social media activities 300 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:17,119 of critics of the government's pandemic response, and in some cases the departments would 301 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:23,759 then use their trusted flagger status with Twitter or Facebook to try and get dissenting 302 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:30,279 posts removed on the grounds that they breached the terms and conditions of the social 303 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:34,160 media platforms in question because they were promoting misinformation or disinformation. And at one 304 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,920 stage I think there was one, I think one of these agencies existed in 305 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,960 the Department for Health, and Matt Hancock at one stage when he was the 306 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:47,680 Health Secretary contacted Nick Clegg to try and urge him to do something about some 307 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:52,880 particular gad fly he was irritated by. But it's good that this is getting 308 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,279 additional coverage. The Big Brother Watch report was great, and Big Brother Watch 309 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:03,359 encourage various journalists he thought, and scientists he thought that they were being monitored 310 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:10,880 by these shadowy organizations like the Counter Disinformation Unit. They encourage them to submit 311 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,759 subject access requests to the Whitehall departments that these agencies were based within to see 312 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,920 if they themselves had been monitored and I did that, and there was there 313 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,400 was some correspondence about me between some of these shadowy figures working for these agencies. 314 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:32,240 But it's um it's it's remarkably similar to what happened in the United States, 315 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:38,680 as revealed by the Twitter files. And it is extraordinary that you know 316 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:48,359 that a whole apparatus, an anti disinformation sector that was created with you know, 317 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:57,279 state funding after twenty sixteen, designed to protect domestic citizens from you know, 318 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:03,319 cyber security, see threats from foreign powers like China and Russia, has 319 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:10,920 been repurposed as a way for the state to monitor domestic citizens and penalize them 320 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,160 in various ways for dissenting, particularly during the pandemic. But yeah, we're 321 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,799 seeing it both in Britain and America and in Australia and in other parts of 322 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:25,279 the world too. But it sounds like it's of a piece with that, 323 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:33,119 that that the whole apparatus of counter terrorism counter extremism, which was originally set 324 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,640 up to protect US from foreign threats, has been repurposed to police internal dissent. 325 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:44,440 Yeah, exactly. Have you got any theories on why it has taken 326 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:52,880 the telegraph and it's riserably entitled Investigations Team, Investigations Team to take so long 327 00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:00,359 to expose a story that was written, I mean, UK Color and Conservative 328 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:06,799 Woman were writing about this stuff in twenty twenty. Laura Dodsworth published a book 329 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,759 about this I Think again in twenty twenty, revealing the existence of these units 330 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:15,480 and the monitoring that was going on. Then you had your Big Brother Watch 331 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,400 report, which I don't think was you know, I think it was very 332 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,680 very late in the game, and actually was it was a classic limited hangout 333 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,640 story. I don't trust Big Brother Watch. I think their funding sources are 334 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,720 deeply suspect. I think Silky Carlo and her boyfriend or ex boyfriend are deeply 335 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,799 suspect. They've got connections with the security services. I don't trust that report 336 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,400 at all. I think it was, Yeah, I say limited hangout in 337 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:47,119 that a controlled release of information designed to distract. But at least it came 338 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,200 out a few months ago. Now you've got the Telegraph, which surely paper 339 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:59,680 record with a with a with a history of investigating stuff breaking stories is now 340 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,759 three years late to this party. Well, why are they taking so long 341 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:08,559 to write about it? Um? I don't know why. What the kind 342 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:15,880 of history of this investigation is, or why it appeared at the end of 343 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,279 last week. One I guess speculating it may be because the lockdown files in 344 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,160 the WhatsApp messages turned over to the Telegraph by Isabel oak Shot. And incidentally, 345 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,920 I'm going to be interviewing Isabel oak Shot about those WhatsApp messages at Unheard 346 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,480 on Saturday and then again at the Hippodrome next Tuesday. And tickets are still 347 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:45,240 available. Drinks tickets still available if you go to if you if you google 348 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,759 the lockdown files and event bright, you'll be able to purchase tickets. There 349 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:52,720 are only twenty five pounds if you want to come see us at the Hippodrome 350 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:59,039 on Tuesday week. But and we've got actors reading out some of the more 351 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,400 embarrassing bits from the WhatsApp messages. We've got an actor playing Boris Johnson, 352 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,920 an act playing Met Hancock. Should be an entertaining evening. But it could 353 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:14,880 be that the Telegraph investigation was prompted by some things which turned up in Met 354 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,240 Hancock's WhatsApp messages. Not this was all in the public domain. It was 355 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:25,400 all There's not a single thing in that Telegraph alleged investigation that is remotely mute. 356 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,759 It's all old. I think they you mentioned Big Brother watched so so 357 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,480 that they've they've cobbled together something from that. But as I say, the 358 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:40,559 Conservative Woman and UK column and and and generally people who use the internet. 359 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,759 You know, people are on my side of the argument. We were all 360 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,880 aware of this stuff. We're not. We didn't turn to our telegraph and 361 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,079 go, goodness me. It seems like a government units has been spying on 362 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,119 us all as time to come on, Well, um, you can't defend 363 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,559 these people. Well, I'm like, I don't think they don't be ridiculous, 364 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:07,240 James. They are ridiculous that the media is utterly corrupt and and it 365 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,319 is it has been, withholding key information from us in our interest. The 366 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,440 telegraph was part of this disinformation operation. It's all very well at the Telegraph 367 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,599 holding its nose and saying oh, passing through the smelling salt. It seems 368 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,200 it seems that people have been manipulated by the government. Well, the telegraph 369 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,759 was part of that manipulation operation for the last three years. I don't think 370 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:32,599 so. I think they they published quite a few of the people were being 371 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,119 by Yeah, they published me writing very critical I mean, do you still 372 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,480 you still got work from them, because I mean, I wouldn't have a 373 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,960 camera from the scum agraph. So I don't know why you're bothering to suck 374 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,880 up to them. I thought it was you were taking their corner, and 375 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,559 they're a bunch of evil, propagandizing, lying scum. I think I think 376 00:29:53,599 --> 00:30:00,640 you're you're again. It's something we've long kind of argue it about. But 377 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:08,160 I welcome the fact that they're drawing attention to three years to iniquitous behavior of 378 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:15,200 the government during the pandemic. They shouldn't have been using taxpayers money to monitor 379 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,720 so called misinformation on Twitter or Facebook, and they certainly shouldn't have been trying 380 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:26,240 to persuade those companies to remove posts which they didn't like. And it's a 381 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,960 great illustration I think of the danger of placing this power in the hands of 382 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:37,480 senior officials and politicians. They will inevitably use machinery and resources designed to protect 383 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:44,640 us from cyber threats to suppress opposition to their own policies, their agenda. 384 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,039 And I think actually the fact that, of course, I think it's great 385 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,920 that other publications earlier on revealed this, and I welcome the Big Brother report. 386 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,279 I don't think for a second that it was limited hangout. I think 387 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:02,000 it was they did They did the very best they want to expose it, 388 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:06,119 and they did a great job. But the fact that the Telegraph is now 389 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,319 highlighting this, I think is fantastic news. It makes it more difficult for 390 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:12,160 the government to ignore. It makes it harder for the official COVID inquiry to 391 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:21,000 ignore, and hopefully will prompt kind of you know, proper a proper investigation, 392 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,759 ideally as part of the COVID inquiry to what the government was doing and 393 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,319 try and make it less likely this kind of thing will happen again. I 394 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:33,680 mean, these kinds of campaigns are inevitably take a while to get going, 395 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,960 James, and it took a while for the Twitter files to be disclosed, 396 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,920 and it was only because the Lark Twitter and was able to reveal that and 397 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:48,680 give access to the data to various journalists like Michael Schellenberger and Matt Tybee, 398 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:56,880 who incidentally coming over here to try and galvanize opposition to the the censorship industrial 399 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,839 complex, which is a global complex. They're coming over here at the end 400 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:07,599 of this month and they're having a meeting at unheard actually and in Central Hall 401 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,880 in Westminster to try and raise awareness of these this kind of activity which I 402 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,400 think most people. Most people don't read The Conservative Woman or you know, 403 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,880 No Column or various other you know, dissident media publications, so most people 404 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,759 aren't aware of it UK Column. So it's great that it's finally been latched 405 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:30,640 onto by the mainstream media and hopefully, hopefully James, we can we can 406 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,359 finally do something about it. I'll tell what. It's a bit like It's 407 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:40,079 a bit like. Um, there's there's the battered body of free speech, 408 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:45,640 barely alive, lying on the pavement. And this free speech body has been 409 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,359 had his head kicked in and his balls kicked in by any number of of 410 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:55,559 of malefactors. And they includes the government's various units, the seventy seventh Brigade, 411 00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:05,119 their their military military propaganda branch, and this the various units attached to 412 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,640 the Cabinet Office and so on. And a key part of that gang which 413 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,880 has been kicking in free speech has been the media, the mainstream media, 414 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,559 the Daily Telegraph among them. The Telegraph that received three three plast million dollars 415 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:24,319 from the Built the Gates Foundation to propagate their provacts, propaganda and so on, 416 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,880 and suddenly the Telegraph, realizing that it might get found out having been 417 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,920 part of this this mugging gang is has has nipped up to the body and 418 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,640 just sort of put a put an a last plast on one of the one 419 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,759 of the injuries, and it says, we are from the Telegraph with love. 420 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:46,480 It's just too little, too late, terpes. I don't the one 421 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:50,759 lesson, Well, one of the many lessons we've learned from the last three 422 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:55,559 years is that the mainstream media, the legacy media, is just a propaganda 423 00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,279 machine on behalf of interest which I'm not our own interests. They're definitely not 424 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:07,960 the readership's interests. They just push an agenda constantly. And I don't think 425 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,159 the Telegraph deserves congratulating. I say, three years too late means they're not 426 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:19,039 doing their job. Well, you know, I think that moving the dial 427 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:23,119 on these things bringing about political change, making it less likely that some of 428 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:29,719 the liberties the government took not just tarbid in other countries during the pandemic, 429 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,000 making it less likely that they'll take them again. All that's going to take 430 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,159 time. It takes a huge amount of effort and organizing. It requires us 431 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,199 to build coalitions, to make allies where we can, and not just think 432 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,480 we are you know, a kind of a sort of pure originals and anyone 433 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:54,199 else kind of eventually coming around to some of our skepticism about the government's pandemic 434 00:34:54,239 --> 00:35:00,320 response should be kind of rejected and cast out because they weren't there at the 435 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,400 start along with us. You know, a long game, James, and 436 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,400 if we want to bring about change and improve things, it's going to take 437 00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:10,760 a big effort, and we should not We should not insult people who are 438 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,079 late to the party. We should we should welcome them, not insulting that 439 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:20,199 the ordinary readers who have been thoroughly misled, who trust the Telegraph and other 440 00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:23,880 newspapers out of habit. I'm talking about the fact that the Telegraph and other 441 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:30,400 newspapers had deliberately and cynically withheld this information because they were bribed to do so 442 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,760 by the government and because well, of course it's true, or you're denying 443 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,039 that they were spent. They were given lots of money in advert The government 444 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:45,079 became the media's biggest advertiser during during the so called pandemic. That buys a 445 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,480 lot of a lot of coverage. The newspapers just gave up trying to tell 446 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,440 the truth. And well, not they ever did, but they've sort of 447 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:58,000 accelerated this lie program. I think, I think, I think it's I 448 00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:06,880 think some newspapers were too quick to be persuaded by the government and their scientific 449 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:15,039 outriders that the government's pandemic response was sensible and wise, and didn't want to 450 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,639 rock the boat for fear that if they undermine public confidence in things like social 451 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:28,920 distancing and mask wearing and the rule of six, that they would you make 452 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,840 it more likely that the virus would spread, people would become infected, hospitalized 453 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,800 and die. They were initially convinced by those arguments that propaganda, and I 454 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,320 think it's taken them a while to become a bit more skeptical and to question, 455 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,960 but eventually I think most I think, I hope that most of them 456 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,880 will come around to ask skeptical bond ofview. I don't know if you saw. 457 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,440 There was another story in the Telegraph this morning, James, which was 458 00:36:53,079 --> 00:37:00,440 really quite hard hitting on the front page, reporting on a new book that 459 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:05,679 has been published today by the Institute of Economic Affairs by a group of researchers, 460 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,960 one from Johns Hopkins University, another from university called Lund University in Sweden, 461 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:22,000 saying that the collateral damage caused by the first lockdown, designed to mitigate 462 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,960 the impact of the first COVID wave in spring twenty twenty, not just here 463 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,519 but across the world, that the collateral damage far outweighed any benefit. They 464 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:36,400 estimate that the number of lives saved by the first lockdown in England and Wales 465 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,960 was around seventeen hundred, which that's a made up figure, which is which 466 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:45,760 is a tiny, tiny number. Okay, but but I mean even if 467 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,280 if if seventeen hundred is a tiny number, where did they get that made 468 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,119 up figure from. I don't believe a single life was saved by the lockdown. 469 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:59,480 You'd have to buy into the notion that lockdowns did anything to stop the 470 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,360 transmiss of this alleged virus, which I don't believe at all. Yeah, 471 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,199 so well they they in a sense, it's quite I agree with you. 472 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:15,639 I think it's it's it's hard to demonstrate that the lockdown saved a single life, 473 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,360 but in a way it's quite helpful to have people who aren't as dogmatic 474 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,440 about it as us and allow um, you know, for a variety of 475 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,920 reasons that it did save some lives. But say, even if we allow 476 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,679 for that, the collateral damage still far outweighed the benefits. So even if 477 00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:39,320 you accept, even if you believe that lockdowns saved lives, it still wouldn't 478 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,440 be a good idea to lockdown again, because they did far more harm than 479 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,480 they alleviated. Anyway, it's the language in this report and the language quoted, 480 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,920 you know, in this Telegraph piece that about the it's described by the 481 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,679 authors of this this new paper, this new book, as you know, 482 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,840 the worst policied decision ever made during peace time. So it couldn't really be 483 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,199 more damning, even though it allows that the lockdowns did save a tiny number 484 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,519 of lives. Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously, I think it's 485 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:23,880 all the distraction because you look at oh look at look at the line that 486 00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:29,000 the media has been pushing for some time, that the supposed skeptical branch of 487 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,960 the media. So columnists like Alison Pearson and say Dan Hannon, who keeps 488 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,960 telling us that he was one of the only voices that speak out against lockdown. 489 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,920 It's it's a distraction from the from the far bigger issue, which is 490 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:49,559 that governments around the world have been poisoning their their populace by forcing to take 491 00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:54,960 this experimental vaccine which isn't a vaccine. So so whether or not it was 492 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,079 a bad ideas a lot of people, I mean, obviously it was about 493 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,199 the balladeers a lot of people down. But I would be much happier if 494 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,800 if this admission of guilt on lockdown went hand in hand with a submission of 495 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,599 guilt that yes, we were poisoning you, we were we were doing the 496 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:13,920 interests of big Farmer, they do control us. And yes we have poisoned 497 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,639 you and we did. We did kill your mum, and we did we 498 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,199 did cripple your your uncle. Yeah, yeah, you know, and we're 499 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,639 really sorry and we're going to do something about it and we're not going to 500 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,039 get in bed with these scumbags ever again. But I'm not hearing that. 501 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:30,920 I'm just hearing Oh yeah, Lockdown was just an honest mistake power crazed politicians, 502 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,440 which is it was never it was always more than that. It was 503 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,920 always coordinated at a global level. It wasn't individual governments responding to a perceived 504 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,760 emergency. It was coordinated. And it's interesting, by the way that that 505 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,400 that this report you quote was was co authored by the John John Hopkins, 506 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:52,880 who weirdly was the institution also responsible producing the twenty nineteen SPAS report, which 507 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,800 which which which which predicted the pandemic with uncanny accuracy because it was planned, 508 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,679 well the the I don't think it was planned, as you know. But 509 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:09,079 yeah, I think there isn't there isn't a single institutional view which is the 510 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:15,880 Johns Hopkins view. But I think this particular professor at Johns Hopkins, I 511 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,960 think it's Steve Hankey has always been a lockdown skeptic. But I think the 512 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,519 fact that he is a professor at Johns Hopkins is good because it gives the 513 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:30,280 report and in premature of institutional authority, and the fact that Johns Hopkins has 514 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:37,400 been, you know, very supportive of the US government's pandemic response is quite 515 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,760 helpful. And I think the Telegraph actually pointed this out in it's in its 516 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,559 in its piece about this this new book. You know that even John, 517 00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:49,280 even a professor at Johns Hopkins, which until now has been an enthusiast for 518 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,400 the lockdown and other non pharmaceutical interventions, even a professor from that university is 519 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,840 now saying it was a colossal mistake. I mean, I think in due 520 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,440 course. I mean, they're not going to say the things you'd like them 521 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,000 to say about the vaccines. But they may in due course, except that 522 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,400 that that that the harms associated with the vaccines have been underestimated, and that 523 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,760 in many cases, the benefits of taking the vaccines outweigh, sorry, the 524 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,159 harms outweigh the benefits in of course, they may come along, they may 525 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:24,239 come around. But it's a journey, James, It's a journey. Um. 526 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,039 Anyway, should we hear from another of our sponsors, I think it's 527 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,599 your turn. Oh yes, you sent it to me, didn't you. 528 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:37,360 I like this out a lot. I really don't know how anyone, let 529 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:44,519 alone those anti vaxes, could have a problem with plush Schwab. That lot 530 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,679 might compare his looks to those of a Bond villain, But to me, 531 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:52,639 the man has kindly, benevolent features, twinkling eyes, and a real desire 532 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:59,000 to bestow gifts upon humanity. In fact, my own affectionate nickname for him 533 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,840 is Santa Claus. So much do I feel that he has our best interests 534 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,519 at heart? 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By the way, I've heard really good, nothing 542 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,320 but good reports of this book, so it's a strong recommend from me. 543 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:57,760 Yeah, me too, Me too. Yeah. It supposedly very very funny. 544 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,599 Okay, good. So what else, James, have you been following 545 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:07,039 the brew her heat about Philip Scofield in the media. I don't suppose you 546 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,320 have very closely. I must say I'm fanning. It quite difficult to work 547 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:17,800 up any interest about Philip Scofield's departure from This Morning and whether Holly Willoughby is 548 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,519 co presenter can survive. I mean, the only thing which vaguely tweaked. 549 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:31,960 My curiosity was how uncannily similar the whole scandal is to the fictional scandal in 550 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,679 the Apple TV show The Morning Show. So for the benefit of our American 551 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,320 listeners, who I'm sure we'll know nothing about this. Philip Scofield is a 552 00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:51,519 co presenter of a breakfast television program called This Morning with a woman called Holly 553 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:57,239 Willoughby, and he has recently departed the show under a cloud, seemingly or 554 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,800 that it wasn't obvious straight away, but seemingly because he started a gay affair 555 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,960 with a runner on the show who was considerably younger than him but not below 556 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:15,440 the legal age of consent. But it was when he started terms that totally. 557 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,000 I'm not saying that true James, No, no, no, you're 558 00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:25,440 miss you. You got to know him, but suggestion that's kind of key. 559 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,719 People are not saying. Nobody is saying that he shanged an underage boy. 560 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,320 What they are saying is that they met him when he was much younger 561 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,480 and he groomed him. Don't try and dilute the story to totally irrelevance. 562 00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:39,079 Well, I'm not sure. I haven't seen that. I think, yeah, 563 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:43,599 I think there is some there is if you're going to kind of whitewash 564 00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,559 the whole thing, that wasn't a white word. It does seemed a bit 565 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,679 it is a bit strong to describe him as grooming this boy. Well, 566 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,719 in that case was completely normal and unobjectionable, and we shouldn't talk about it 567 00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,000 because I think nothing is complained about well, isn't isn't isn't. What's seemingly 568 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:10,119 objection about it is that if you are a senior employee, you're not supposed 569 00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:16,920 to just take advantage of your seniority to seduce younger junior members of the same 570 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:22,199 company. That's sort of you know, that's that's that's what did for the 571 00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,280 co presenter in the morning show. It was a me too scandal. It 572 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,400 wasn't that he'd you know, he well, it came out that there was 573 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,800 an element of coercion in one of his affairs. But to begin with anyway, 574 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,519 the reason he left the company is because it was a me too scandal, 575 00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,960 a classic me too scandal, and that he'd had a sexual relationship with 576 00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:43,440 a junior member of staff. And that seemed to be that the issue here 577 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,760 too, apart from it was gay, which kind of which which added another 578 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,280 dimension to it. You're just soft peddling the whole story and actually just removing 579 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,840 all the bite out of it and actually making excuses on behalf of Phillip Scofield, 580 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,360 who is a scumback. Come on, well, I wasn't trying to 581 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,960 make excuses something, but you made my trying to. But you were. 582 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,159 You were doing exactly that. A lot of what what I've been saying has 583 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:09,519 been common knowledge that this is the story that the newspapers have been dying to 584 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,559 write about. I mean, I think it's all smoking. It's smoking, 585 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,400 mirrors and bread and circuses and distractions. But if we're going to talk about 586 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,920 it, at least let's point out the most salient point about this thing, 587 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,199 which is that that Philip Scofield, a TV presenter, met this guy when 588 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:30,320 he was when he was I think even a schoolboy. And and I'm not 589 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,639 accusing you of having broken the law, but he definitely did groom this this 590 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,519 this guy, perhaps by promising fame and fortune, I don't know what, 591 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:43,280 but but he's using his celebrity, and you know, I think it's a 592 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,119 far dodgier than just really being an executive and using his powers within the company 593 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,480 to advance, you know, to make sexual advances. You know, that's 594 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,679 no one would care about it if it were just that well, it seemingly 595 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,480 well with all these other details that you're referring to, any any sort of 596 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,760 come out in the aftermath of his departure. Um, and seemingly as a 597 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,400 result of kind of you know, tabloid tabloid's investigating the story rather than the 598 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,000 reason he was he he left left the program. But I think I don't 599 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,760 know, it's a bit it seems it seems um uh, we don't know 600 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,960 that he was grooming this boy from the moment he met him. I mean, 601 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,800 it's possible, but but innocent until proven guilty. He may have just 602 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,280 befriended him or offered him, you know, opportunities, told him how to 603 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,159 get into television, and then subsequently kind of reconnected with him years later, 604 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:44,840 by which time it was you know, not unlawful for for them to enter 605 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,280 into a relationship. Um, So we don't know. I mean, grooming 606 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,400 is a little strong and suggest share your desire not to not to get the 607 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,519 attention of libel lawyers. But I think if we're going to just tipto around 608 00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:58,119 the subject, we might as well not bother talking about it. Frankly, 609 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,039 well, I wasn't going to go. I wasn't going to talk. I 610 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,559 was I wasn't going to. My point was not to kind of try and 611 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:08,400 summarize it for the benefit of our American listeners. Um. And so maybe 612 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,440 maybe you're right and I haven't summarized it quite accurately. Then my point was 613 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,400 that I haven't quite I haven't quite understood why it's become such an enormous story, 614 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,400 why it's dominated the news. It was at one point leading the BBC 615 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,519 News. It is just slightly baffling, um that there should be such a 616 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:29,800 I mean, I was going to say that I've I've almost come around to 617 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,800 thinking about it and the way you usually present these things, which is um 618 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,679 that it that, it's it's it's it's bread and circuses. Um, it 619 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,719 does, but it is. But I think it's just it's just for some 620 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,280 reason, it's a it's a slow it's a slow newsweek. It's that. 621 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,840 That's that's that's just that's a sort of a normal notion that there are these 622 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,519 thing. The news is a construct. There's never it's never a slow newsweek. 623 00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,800 Really, it's the news is whatever there, the powers that be won't 624 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:07,000 be used to work at it. You were, yeah, they you were 625 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,079 really covering the news, weren't you. That's before I that's no. Sometimes 626 00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:15,519 there's a lot to cover and sometimes there isn't much. No, I just 627 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:20,199 didn't know how the game. I didn't understand the game. Um, I 628 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,639 was an innocent as as you used to laugh. I suspect you're always wiser 629 00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:28,559 than me, James, always always the enlightened one. Do you think we 630 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:31,639 should do? Um? Culture corner? Yeah? Why don't we? Why 631 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:34,559 do we? Why we? Why don't we move on to culture corner? 632 00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,840 Yes? So what have you been reviewing your your Spectator column this week? 633 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:44,519 Just it was a bit desperate, So I started off wanting to review m 634 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:52,400 McGregor forever because I'm suddenly into these these traveler traveler boxing type, these Irish 635 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,880 travelers who just seemed to spend all their time drinking and fighting and with bare 636 00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,599 knuckles and and and I used to I used to think, you know, 637 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,039 perceiving gypsies and so on, But now I've completely reversed ferreted on this, 638 00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:08,639 and I think, actually I love these people because they have always understood that 639 00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:12,760 our system is completely broken, which is why they don't want to put their 640 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,360 children in our corrupt brainwashing education system. And I kind of respect them. 641 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,639 They're gonna when it all kicks off, these people are going to survive, 642 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,039 and because they've kept their communities intact and their traditions alive and so on. 643 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:30,920 So anyway, I love Colin McGregor. He's been fantastic during the lockdown and 644 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,039 all the nonsense and stuff. And I was trying to persuade the wife to 645 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,519 sit down and watch a documentary about him, but unfortunately, in the first 646 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:45,920 thirty seconds it showed we were aware of this that in two thousand and twenty 647 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:53,880 one he had this he's a cage fighter, right, and he basically broke 648 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,039 his ankle in the mid of the tournament and you can see it breaking. 649 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,480 And the first thirty seconds of this of this program was was this man's ankle 650 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:06,480 being broken. And the way I said, right, that's it not watching 651 00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,760 anymore, right, So it was so we didn't get to watch Colin gregor 652 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:16,760 and Stea watched this terrible, terrible series written by the guy who wrote Knives 653 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:23,920 Out and the Onion thing. Yes, yeah, I can't stand I really 654 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:31,239 hate those that that the James Bond guy who plays the kind of queenie Daniel 655 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,800 Craig. Yeah, just the most ludicrous crazy in the TV series too. 656 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:39,280 No, it's not no, no. This this is the premise of this 657 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:45,920 is that the woman has the power to tell when people people are lying always. 658 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,920 She knows when you're when you're lying. I think it's been done before 659 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,719 by wasn't there the Invention of Lyne with Ricky Gervais? And there has been 660 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,440 other other other films about but liar, liar, I don't know. I 661 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,599 think isn't there even another detective series about a detective is extremely good at telling 662 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,800 whether the pop are line or telling the truth, but rather than a woman, 663 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:07,280 I think there is, but I can't remember anyway, it's a bit 664 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,840 right. Actually, what really annoyed me so this woman is she's basically trailer 665 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,920 trash. She has a kind of sort of a sort of hicck accent, 666 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,760 and she lives in a trailer park, and she's got a really deep, 667 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,000 gravelly sort of voice. And you think, well, this woman is going 668 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:29,239 to smoke. She's going to smoke cigarettes obviously at a bare minimum. But 669 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,559 she doesn't smoke because it's Pussy TV. It's because it's like, oh, 670 00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,599 if we have our main character smoking, people might think that smoking is a 671 00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:40,079 good thing. And I'm thinking, no, this is just basic character character 672 00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:44,000 depiction. You can't have a woman with a gravity of voice living in the 673 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:49,400 trailer park who doesn't smoke. And it reminded me of remember cheers, Remember 674 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,239 how nobody smokes and cheers. That was the beginning of the end. It 675 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,239 was the barn where everyone knew your name but nobody smoked. Right, How 676 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,280 stupid was that? So I so I it lost me a bit. Um, 677 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,719 so I wouldn't recommend that. I bet it's not as bad. There 678 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:08,079 was your Arnie Arnie series. I can't I watched about ten seconds of the 679 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:13,880 trailer for it, and that it just made me feel so ill that I 680 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:19,039 couldn't bring myself right right, Okay, um, yeah, no, it 681 00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,480 was that. That's awful and not at all recommended. All I've done, 682 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,679 I think from a culture corner point of view, Well, I finished, 683 00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:31,880 I finished Andrew Roberts's Magisterial, But of Churchill, I've i've now, I've 684 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:38,119 now given. I'm now giving myself some time out by listening to the very 685 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:45,840 last destroy then the Sharp no the Sharp Sharp novel. So it's it's called 686 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,880 Sharp's Devil, and it sets sort of about ten years after the Battle of 687 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:57,880 Waterloo, and it opens with a meeting between Sharp and Napoleon on Saint Helena 688 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,840 because Sharp is going to Chili and he stops on the way and has this 689 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,079 kind of fortuitous meeting with the Emperor. It's quite quite a good opening scene. 690 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,320 And I'm about I'm about a quarter of the way in and it's just 691 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,199 just getting good. So I'm enjoying that. But I also I finally watched 692 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,159 the last three episodes of Succession. I was waiting the reason why don't tell 693 00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,239 me? Don't tell me? Okay happens? Okay, okay, all right. 694 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,840 I was behind because my wife was beginning to lose interest, and it 695 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,920 was one of those things we had promised to watch together. But she, 696 00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:34,599 because she's losing interest, says said to me, look, go ahead and 697 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:37,119 watch them, don't wait for me. So I had now watched them, 698 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,440 but I'll wait for you before we discuss. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 699 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,679 And don't don't give me any opinion at all, or even a hint that 700 00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:47,440 you might. And I'm still plod plodding, my way through the diplomat, 701 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,800 which I think is pretty good, pretty entertaining. Have you tried that yet? 702 00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:57,239 No, I don't. I don't think after your kind of lukewarmish sow 703 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,440 the other week, I thought I can't be doing. Oh, by the 704 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,519 way, another thing I would steer clear of. Did you did you enjoy 705 00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:08,079 that Chernobyl thing a few years ago? Yes? Yes, so you're going 706 00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:15,159 to forget the last of us? Yes, we've I think we not the 707 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:23,199 days okay day. The Japanese have made this account of that. They've done 708 00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:29,639 a Chernobyl on the Fukis human Reactor. So they've made this drama series about 709 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:37,639 the the um you know, well every day the disaster in the disaster, 710 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,559 and it's really crap, it's really embarrassing. It's it's not helped by the 711 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:49,639 fact that because it's not set in collapsing Soviet era Ukraine, but rather is 712 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,119 setting in modern Japan, you haven't got that extra dimension of these corrupt stone 713 00:56:55,199 --> 00:57:00,679 walling jobs worth useless officials. Yeah, everyone is Japanese and very keen and 714 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:06,079 doing their job efficiently. And yes, yes I will go into to investigate 715 00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,519 this particular thing and die in the tsunami and I will but it, but 716 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:14,440 the acting is really crap. There are no characters and this is rubbish. 717 00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,079 So I wouldn't watch that. And does it it does? It suffer from 718 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:23,400 the same shortcoming as Chernobyl, in that it presents the accident as being far 719 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,800 more catastrophic and harmful than it really was in reality. You know what, 720 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,039 I'm glad you made that point. I haven't given it the chance to I 721 00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:36,119 just only watch the first episode. I don't know whether I imagine it did. 722 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,000 I'm very suspicious about all these narratives. I'm very suspicious about the Chernobyl 723 00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:45,480 narrative. I'm very suspicious about the Fukushiman narrative because I think ultimately they're designed 724 00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:50,639 to discredit nuclear powers. Yes, I think, yeah that they certainly do 725 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:58,960 seem too well. Chernobyl seemed it certainly wildly exaggerated just what harm had been 726 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:06,360 caused by what happened at Chernobyl, and implied that radiation sickness was contagious, 727 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,119 so it was viral and if you if you stood next to someone with it, 728 00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:14,320 you could catch it, which was obviously completely ridiculous. And and if 729 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,880 you watched the whole series you would have come away with the impression that hundreds 730 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,719 of thousands of people died horrible deaths instead of you know, the true number, 731 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,800 which was something like the fifty, wasn't it? Um and I met 732 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,559 and and yeah, I mean surely. The kind of the most salient fact 733 00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:37,880 about the Fukushima nuclear accident is that it showed that a nuclear power station can 734 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,800 literally be hit by a tsunami. Yeah. And and you know, it 735 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,199 causes very little, very little death, you know, because nuclear power is 736 00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:52,159 so safe. So if we'd been producers at one of its Netflix Japan would 737 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,519 have said, we're not running this crap. It's just like just anti nuclear 738 00:58:55,559 --> 00:59:01,599 propaganda. Don't bore us, we don't care. That would be a good 739 00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:10,599 job to have FIS executives in charge of nixing nixing woke or a gender programs. 740 00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:15,239 Yeah, yeah, um yeah. Oh. By the way, I'm 741 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:20,920 still reading Anacronina and it is still the greatest novel ever written. I think 742 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,760 there's no question about it. Okay, good one day, get onto it. 743 00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:28,320 Yeah, all right, James, I think that's probably we probably exhausted 744 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,760 everything we had to discuss. M Good to talk to you and D again 745 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,960 next week. No, I'm very I'm very glad that you're concerned about that 746 00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,960 kit Chap I mentioned, and also Vanessa Beli, because I think it's we 747 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:44,880 are heading for dark times and we'll look into that. Good okay, okay, 748 00:59:44,920 --> 01:00:07,519 cool, all right bye. Thanks. M Ricochet joined the conversation