WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:05.000 I'm new to this game. I'm trying to do this whole scratch to scratch 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.839 thing, and I just kind of like invoked to them like I'm really hard 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.279 working, Like you're not gonna get a half student in regards to like I 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.480 will like blood, sweat and tears is like the definition. And so I 5 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:17.679 think they were just also just bought into the journey. And then after kind 6 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:22.199 of seeing like my relative dedication of just like constantly practicing, practicing hitting them 7 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:25.679 up at two am with like questions, they got more and more bought in. 8 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.079 And so he was like right off to beat. It was like, 9 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:30.960 yeah, like this is crazy, and I get a lot of emails like 10 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.479 that's like you're pretty pragsy, but I'm in a big ninety five percent of 11 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:39.520 my emails for like, Hi, this is Eric Christiansen from Seattle, Washington, 12 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:43.679 and I play at the West Seattle Golf Course. This is Golf Smarter 13 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:51.119 number eight from Scratch to Scratch. A beginner documents his quest to become a 14 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:57.759 scratch golfer with Jerome Ruff of This is Golf Smarter sharing stories, tips and 15 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:02.840 insights from great golf mines to help you lower your score and raise your golf 16 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:07.920 IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. 17 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:11.680 Jerome, Hey, Brad, I's going it's going, well, this 18 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:19.000 is gonna be fascinating for me because you're actually in a position that I almost 19 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.760 all most was when I started this podcast. Now, I started this podcast 20 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:27.799 in two thousand and five. I started playing golf. Oh. I had 21 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:32.920 been playing golf about five or six years at that point, and I was 22 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:38.480 looking for free lessons basically, So I started calling teachers and asking them, 23 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.640 would you like to be on my podcast? And they're going, what's a 24 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.879 podcast? It was, you know, It's like, well, I couldn't 25 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.280 say, well, you know, on your iPhone because there were is no 26 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:52.000 iPhone in two thousand and five when we started. No, it's gonna be 27 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:57.840 on you know, on YouTube and Apple podcasts. And they're like, what 28 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:01.280 are you talking about? Anyway? iTunes? You heard about iTunes? Nope, 29 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:05.480 never heard about iTunes. But anyway, I was new to golf, 30 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.319 and so I was, you know, curious to learn as much as I 31 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:15.240 could, but I had a sense of what I was doing. What are 32 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.639 you doing? That was a long way to get to this question, But 33 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.840 what is it that you're doing. Uh, yeah, that mean that's a 34 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:30.080 great question. And so, um, my main goal is obviously to reach 35 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:35.080 scratch become a scratch golfer. Um. But the whole caveats I'm starting from 36 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:42.639 scratch, never really played golf before and trying to embark on this Ardie's journey 37 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:49.360 toward that that zero handicap and basically partnering up with the greatest coaches in the 38 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.840 world to try to get me there high level. Yeah, right, What 39 00:02:53.919 --> 00:03:00.039 to you what do you think about when you say, hey, I want 40 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:05.479 to be a scratch golfer or reach scratch. What does that mean to you? 41 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.840 How would you define that? Yeah, so I think you know, 42 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.560 to be a scratch golfer. Yeah, the handicap is like zeros from my 43 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:21.560 first inclination, but also do it in like a regulation course where it's not 44 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:23.840 like I think in my YouTube channel right now, I've only been to like 45 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:30.520 these part threes where it's like eighty yards to the pen, and so scratch 46 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:34.680 golf to me is like become like an elite athlete, zero handicap in a 47 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:40.439 more regulation type of course consistently, and so whatever that takes, I am 48 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:50.599 willing to do. Okay, and do you you're really starting from like you 49 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:55.280 said, from scratch, you've never played golf before this. Yeah, so 50 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.240 I think on my first episode I gave the disclaimer that I was maybe like 51 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:06.319 fifteen to twenty days in. But besides that, with fifteen and twenty days 52 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.479 in of like I went to the rain, I was hanging up friends, 53 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.039 and then I hit like a ball or two. So nothing like serious or 54 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:19.040 anything of that nature. But I think I was maybe even worse than when 55 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:25.120 I started this channel throughout those fifteen days, and so more or less I 56 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:29.040 would say scratch, But those for fifteen days basically ensued me to kind of 57 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.279 pursue this just because I essentially got one good shot and I was like, 58 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:38.079 yep, I'm pretty much addicted to this game. Now. That'll do it. 59 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.560 One good shot is the thing that brings us all back, as we 60 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.519 can have a real frustrating day and then all of a sudden, we have 61 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:49.000 a good shot. And I love this game. So did you play video 62 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:56.720 golf as a kid? Did you? I'm really baffled by this journey, 63 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:02.600 But what launched it? Yeah? So I've never done anything golf related and 64 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.519 never watched golf, never played any golf, video games, or anything of 65 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:13.319 that nature before picking up the club. I think, so my background, 66 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:17.639 like i've I'm a big basketball player. I basically started playing basketball since the 67 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.199 age of like four, played it all the ways of varsity basketball, had 68 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:28.120 opportunities to kind of potentially go play college, and then after college, I 69 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.560 think I was always like striving for something relatively competitive, and my body kind 70 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:39.800 of wasn't here to play basketball and try to be elite basketball player anymore. 71 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.839 And so I picked up golf. Realized it was like a really good game 72 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.759 just by yourself, and so you could always kind of just grind without really 73 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:54.839 any limitations on like other things. And so this is kind of the alternative 74 00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:00.279 to like my inklingk for something super super competitive again like my old days. 75 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.879 So now I'm here, wait a minute, how old are you? Uh 76 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:10.560 t twenty eight, twenty eight, So don't give me this olden days crap. 77 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.079 Okay, So you played, you played, You played basketball as a 78 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.920 kid. Um, and the highest level of basketball competitive basketball you played was 79 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:26.360 high school college. Yeah yeah, uh it was yeah, varsity of high 80 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:30.680 school. And um, I was trying to play basketball at a D one 81 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:35.319 college. I think I missed the the tryout or like the cut line by 82 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:40.720 like one game in regards to like performing UM, and then I think a 83 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.920 couple of D three schools we're like in the roadmap. But I kind of 84 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.199 figured, and I'm kind of told this to people. I was like, 85 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.079 all right, am I gonna go to the NBA, And then I just 86 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.560 looked at Lebron James and I was like no. So so then I just 87 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.000 decided I'm just gonna go to college for academics. And then I went to 88 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:02.439 UC Berkeley UM and then kind of has done engineering there. Okay, but 89 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:08.160 you didn't play basketball at Cal. No, No, no, not at 90 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:14.720 all. Didn't even try to walk on. Uh. It's funny because, 91 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.079 like a lot of people, I would play with some of the players at 92 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:21.279 like open open gym, and uh it was really fun, like you know, 93 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:25.560 playing with college players, and I was up to par in a little 94 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.360 bit. But uh, and some of some of my friends were like, 95 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:32.639 yeah, I just go try out. But I think doing engineering at Berkeley 96 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.040 was pretty intense for me, and so I just didn't have any time to 97 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:42.360 kind of accommodate anything besides like studying engineering, and so I kind of resulted 98 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:47.040 to kind of do that. Yeah, okay, so you watched Lebron on 99 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:51.000 TV and said, yeah, I never gonna be able to compete at that 100 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:57.279 level. When you were at cal, did you happen to know Colin Morikawa? 101 00:07:57.519 --> 00:07:59.879 Because he was at Cal as well, and now he's one of the 102 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:07.079 elite players in the world. I didn't know Colin or anything like during that 103 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.040 time. I didn't even like have an eye toward golf, so I didn't 104 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:16.399 know literally anyone except Tiger Woods and so at Once I joined this U and 105 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:20.199 it was funny because the first YouTube video and I was like, I really 106 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.240 want to like emulate somebody. And I was like, see, I got 107 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.199 recommended this guy. I was a colinghim who's called americawah, and I was 108 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.439 like watching him and I was like, man, I really like this guy's 109 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.480 swing. And then I did some background and I was like, oh, 110 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.120 this guess from Berkeley. I think he's like a few grates under me. 111 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.720 But uh no, I didn't know him at col Bis. I could say 112 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.679 I'd love to swing for sure. No, because in one of the videos, 113 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:45.919 you're working with your coach and he says, do you want to be 114 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.559 Colin Moore? How a do you want to be a Matthew Fitzpatrick. And 115 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.480 I got the sense you're going, I don't know who those guys are. 116 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.840 It's like, I don't know what you're asking. What do I want to 117 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.320 be like him? I don't know what you're asking. Yeah, yeah, 118 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.720 it was good, good assumption there. So if you don't know who these 119 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.799 guys are, these elite golfers in the world, and you've never watched them, 120 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.399 what made you think that you can compete on that level. I don't 121 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.240 know if I could compete. I just know I want to get really really 122 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.200 good at golf. And I think maybe we all well maybe, and it's 123 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:30.159 actually maybe, it's actually a good thing that I don't watch them, because 124 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:33.840 I watched Lebron a lot, and maybe I'm just disguised by not watching them. 125 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:39.399 All right, So yeah, I think, um kind of like an 126 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.399 Ostrich. It's kind of like an Ostrich sitting in sticking its head in the 127 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.759 ground, going there's nothing wrong with the world. I can't see it. 128 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:56.440 It's like I can't excuse me. Um, Okay, So I tell me 129 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:03.279 about your process of picking a teacher. Yeah, so, um, I 130 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:09.240 think so as my channel kind of resembled I have a few teachers in the 131 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:15.440 realm of teachers that I try to like pick I guess that isolates one specific 132 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.360 aspect of the game. So the mental side of things, you know, 133 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.919 as doctor Critic commander, Um, he was a mental officer for the Tokyo 134 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.679 Games, and so he I was actually kind of talked to a couple of 135 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:28.639 things and we essentially kind of just vibed a little bit and he was like, 136 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.240 yeah, I've ever experiencing golf, and UM, I was just you 137 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.399 know, um our conversation initially, like it was great from my full swing. 138 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:43.360 I really wanted to focus really on so and is really good at fundamentals 139 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.840 initially, Um, just for for the way things process. Right now, 140 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:50.639 I'm still kind of figuring out, like who's the best coach for me. 141 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:56.240 I think where I'm like two months in and so you know right now is 142 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.039 Mike Guidra, and you know, he's been really helped full and certain things. 143 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.000 But I'm still trying to figure out, like the best coach in regards 144 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.159 to like how I learn. I think there's so much information right now coming 145 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.799 at me. There's a lot of things that's changing in my swing, my 146 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.200 body and all this stuff and so I think, you know, that journey 147 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.200 in itself will be an entirely different journey of like trying to find the perfect 148 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:22.120 match. And then for my putting coach is Derek Outta who is Zanders And 149 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.080 so that was just like I gotta get this guy. And it wasn't like, 150 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:31.480 oh, like you know, like I didn't really have like, oh, 151 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.639 I want to look for this specific thing in a putting instructor, because 152 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.399 like I said, I was kind of like blinded of like what the star 153 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.720 game is. And so you know, that was kind of more of like, 154 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.600 oh, yeah, if he's teaching somebody who could get who's really good 155 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.759 and has other people under his belt, and it's probably gonna be a good 156 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.799 fit. And like, personality wise, me and Derek really do really well 157 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.600 together. I think his background is in basketball too, and so we kind 158 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.360 of vibed. And then for my body, I just kind of reached out 159 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.600 to like the best physical therapists and sports performance UH specialists in my area, 160 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.919 and UM, right now it's like Cattles Fitness Cattleist sports performance in physical therapy 161 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:13.600 and so UM, I think there's a a lot more people that's going to 162 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.120 join the channel that I haven't shown yet in the next couple of weeks, 163 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.720 which I think is going to be exciting. But um, that's kind of 164 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.759 like my initial process in the in the first two weeks two months on this 165 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:28.799 journey, too many more questions that I need to go over, and we're 166 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.440 going to do that. Um, But we have some great sponsors, and 167 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:39.879 I know I'm warning you now, please don't fast forward through these commercials with 168 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.879 these sponsors want to be part of this podcast, so give them their time 169 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:54.200 and we'll be back. Jerome. Your your process of finding various instructors to 170 00:12:54.279 --> 00:13:00.240 work with. Did you start with a sports psychologist or did you start with 171 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:05.279 the swing mechanics physical I started, Yeah, I started with all the full 172 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.399 swing coach. I think in my initial journey, I was like meeting with 173 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.080 a couple of people there. I wanted to solidify that for the least initial 174 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.200 term, like the short term, and then I think that kind of led 175 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.279 me to a lot of conversations other people. And so it was that person 176 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.279 first, and then the putting coach was kind of like in the works coming 177 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:31.120 in. But then that started branching out because I actually had like a shoulder 178 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:37.679 impingement and then a fractured patella, like right before this journey, and so 179 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.960 I was like, Okay, I need to fix this part of my body 180 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.360 to you know, get to a certain level because a lot of these people 181 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:46.440 are like, yeah, you just need to turn your hips, turn your 182 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.240 hips or do this as your shoulder. I was like, oh man, 183 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.879 I can mentally know what to do, but it's it's weird because I can't 184 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.279 get there or just like slight pain. And so that I was like, 185 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.840 Okay, this is kind of just a necessary entry thing. And so the 186 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.120 physical therapist and the sports psychologist kind of came after that. I think the 187 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:11.039 sports psychologists started creeping in once I was getting like relatively okay in my swing, 188 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.919 where I'm like, oh my god, now I'm just super frustrated. 189 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.600 And so I think things have kind of just residually kind of entered the channel 190 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:24.639 based off of like certain events that's happened in my in my journey. And 191 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.279 you're you say, you're twenty eight years old. You went to cal engineering 192 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:33.159 degree, so you're probably out of school now for five maybe six years, 193 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.000 right, more or less yet, Yeah, so did you get a job 194 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.440 right out of college? Where were you doing? Where were you living. 195 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:48.039 Yeah, So after Berkeley, I lived in at the what's called San Francisco. 196 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.440 M mainly just worked in tech, which is a classic thing UM and 197 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.519 was a data analyst and then became a data scientist and then software engineering, 198 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:01.960 and so did those in Common nationed some business roles and so kind of had 199 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.720 like both sides of the spectrum. And then moved from like San Francisco, 200 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.720 and after living there for about two to three years, UM moved to New 201 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.600 York. Lived there about three years, and then the incident. I decided 202 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.039 I'm gonna do this. I just bought plane tickets and flew to San Diego 203 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:24.759 so I can play golf all all year. And this, Okay, you're 204 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.720 really blowing in my mind. You're so you decided, oh, I'm just 205 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:33.240 gonna chuck all of this. Probably you you got some you work for some 206 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.080 tech company that paid you well and and you cashed out on that. But 207 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.000 I'm just assuming, Um, but you decided I'm gonna do something crazy, 208 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.840 and I'm just gonna move to San Diego and start playing golf. And you, 209 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.440 I'm just assuming your parents are going you what you're doing? What or 210 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:58.720 have you even told them that you're doing? This yet. Yeah, it's 211 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.200 it's got a it's got comical because I'm actually still working my full time job 212 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:08.519 and so I'm I am a software engineer at a startup, which is like 213 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.639 very high pressure because there's only six of us who are trying to build this 214 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:18.080 thing. And so that's eighteen hours of each day. Yeah, I work 215 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.600 about ten to twelve hours at my job, and then the remainder of the 216 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.480 day I play golf. Um And so I wake up at four thirty am 217 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.840 every day and then I basically code for about ten to twelve hours, which 218 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:33.120 only brings me about two two to four pm, and then from there until 219 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:42.240 ten I'll play golf. Wow. Okay, and your parents what do they 220 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:48.639 and your parents what do they know about this? What do you I don't 221 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:55.840 think they know it yet my entire okay, all right? And and I'm 222 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:00.759 assuming golf was never part of your family's background either. Oh no, that 223 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.799 and I think they think golf was boring sport whole time. Where did you 224 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.519 did you grow up in the Bay Area as well? Odd? No, 225 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.200 So I'm Filipino in Spanish, but I was born in Japan and then moved 226 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.559 to the Philippines and then I moved to Canada and then from there moved to 227 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:25.039 the States, bounced around like every other year in the Bay and then from 228 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:32.680 the Bay the New York and San Diego trajectory. Okay, okay, yeah, 229 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:37.920 whose idea was this for you to create a YouTube channel that will follow 230 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:42.599 your journey on becoming starting with never touching a golf club, not even knowing 231 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:48.319 what to put in a golf bag, and what everything you're putting in a 232 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.519 golf bag? What it does? I mean, I'm assuming that just from 233 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:57.599 watching the first couple of videos. Whose idea was this to create this journey 234 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:06.680 on YouTube? Oh? It's it was completely mine. I think like on 235 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.839 YouTube, you know, I think there's a lot of great instruction, but 236 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.799 I think, well, it was lacking, especially for me, just empathetically 237 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.799 thinking about myself as like a beginner who didn't know anything, Like I would 238 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.599 watch a lot of these great instructors, but they really weren't being asked like 239 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.400 questions of like a beginner or like oh, I'm like so new to all 240 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.599 this, how am I going to modify it to? Like my swing? 241 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.759 And so I thought like, not only you know, I would love to 242 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.160 get better at golf, but you know, provide like a channel and medium 243 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.680 where people can you know, relate exactly how like when they're in those shoes, 244 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.079 are like, oh man, I'm a beginner, like you know, 245 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:41.680 this guy's saying there were a lot of great stuff, but I don't really 246 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.960 know how to comprehend all that. And you know, you could see my 247 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.240 videos, I'm kind of like maybe lost sometimes like oh and maybe ask maybe 248 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:56.440 it's like simple maybe you look lost alive and I wanted to ask you about 249 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.759 that, but Dad, I'm sorry, no, no, no, that's 250 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.599 totally fair and exactly like I said, full transparency on like every single aspect 251 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.119 of the game. And so I was thinking, eventually, you know, 252 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.000 I'll go through this journey where I'm a beginning beginner, maybe go into intermediate, 253 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.160 and hopefully maybe in a couple of years be more advanced. And so 254 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.640 having that like journey that people could follow and like at any time and any 255 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:22.319 moment in the channel, they could just drop in, I was like, 256 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.400 oh, I'm actually an intermediate right now. Let me go into this area 257 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.960 and they could like relate or I'm a beginner like Jerome in the first five 258 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:30.920 months, I could just start watching these videos and or like, oh, 259 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.839 man, I'm already almost scratch. Maybe I'll go into the advance section. 260 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.480 And so I feel like that would, I guess, in my mind, 261 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.839 was like a huge value that you know, could provide great value to like 262 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:47.160 people watching it, just a little different form from like all the videos out 263 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:49.759 there. And so yeah, that's what I was initially thinking when I was 264 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.799 like, oh, let's maybe create a YouTube channel around it. Yeah, 265 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:57.119 I mean when I first started doing the podcast, and I was for many 266 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.480 years into it, and hopefully I still. But when I hear a term 267 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.319 from an instructor that I'm not familiar with, I'm fine with going wait a 268 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.480 minute, I'm not familiar with that term. Can you please expand on that 269 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.880 and tell me what that means? And so I get the whole thing of 270 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.960 coming at it from somebody who's somewhat of a beginner. But again, I've 271 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.319 been doing this now, I'm in my eighteenth year of talking to teachers. 272 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:26.359 I've learned a lot, and I still feel like I'm I'm on a journey. 273 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:30.759 I was never on a journey to become a scratch golfer, but last 274 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:37.160 year I did achieve becoming a single digit handicap golfer and that again, I 275 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.720 was kind of surprised, But after all these interviews and learning so much from 276 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.720 so many different people, I've been able to incorporate a lot of that and 277 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:51.200 it's helped me a ton. So I wish you well on your journey. 278 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:56.480 And we're not done talking about this journey. Okay. It was your idea 279 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:02.200 that you have a cameraman. Do you have a crew or just a guy 280 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:06.079 who's following me around with a camera. Oh? Yeah, I have a 281 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.160 few people helping me out. Like I just kind of like reached out to 282 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.720 a couple of people in Marry. I was like, Hey, do you 283 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:15.359 want to help like just film me at times? And so it's nothing like 284 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.759 professional I don't have like an agency or anything of that nature. I just 285 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:21.240 like ask a couple of people, Hey, I'm doing this thing, Like 286 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.319 do you want to come out and just film me when I'm going to the 287 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:29.200 course or like lessons. You're like yeah, sure, And like a few 288 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.799 people helping the edits And because like initially, like my past, like I 289 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.799 liked editing videos and I was like, oh, I could probably do some 290 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:41.119 of this a little bit, but you're running out of hours in the day, 291 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.319 when are you get to head this things? Like what are you going 292 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:48.000 to do that? Yeah, and so I just reached through a few folks 293 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:49.039 like hey, do you want to help like edit? Um, you know, 294 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.559 I'll give them a little direction in regards to like the voice to tone 295 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.240 a voice like you know, just like express. And I think like right 296 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:57.599 now, like we're not even doing too much edits because I was like, 297 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:03.960 let's just make it super super raw and transparent so that people can you know, 298 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:04.839 not get like a lot of cuts. I think, you know a 299 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.960 lot of YouTube videos like oh, let's just make crazy cots the best parts 300 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.839 and I'm like, now leave everything all bad, all good like um and 301 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.720 so um that's kind of like produced like editing time as well, because we 302 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.640 don't need like the craziness to b s edits or the crazy other stuff edits. 303 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:25.160 And so yeah, just a few folks. Um. And sometimes you 304 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.400 have cameras going so you have a cameraman and you have an iPhone on a 305 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:33.839 or you have a phone on a tripod that's getting a different angle, so 306 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:36.720 you do have to do some edits going back and forth on that I did. 307 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.079 I did notice that as a video editor, those are the things that 308 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:41.880 I noticed, like, what are you shooting with? Who's who's shooting? 309 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.279 Is he on it? Is he using a gimbal? You know? So 310 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:53.359 all right, another time out and we'll be back after this. Now you're 311 00:22:53.400 --> 00:23:00.680 what two months into this journey? Yeah, I think proximately episode sixty three 312 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:06.680 that's basically my un like how many days? Sixty three days? So you're 313 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:12.960 doing an episode every day every day? Yeah? Wow, And congratulations you're 314 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.400 you're getting a lot of traction on YouTube. I'm quite surprised of how many 315 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:22.200 people are subscribing and commenting. That's pretty impressive, um for a ranked beginner, 316 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:30.640 because golfers don't have a lot of patients, experienced golfers from what I 317 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:36.279 have witnessed, experienced golfers don't have a lot of patients with with brand new 318 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.359 players. So it's a good thing you're going out to these part three choruses, 319 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:44.160 you know, where a lot of beginners are getting their start and trying 320 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:49.279 to figure things out. But one of the last video that I watched is 321 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:55.079 you working with your swing instructor, Mike, who I don't know why, 322 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:59.119 but he sounds like my eye doctor. I keep waiting with the number one 323 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:06.319 umber two number one or number two, number two or number three. But 324 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:12.880 he's very patient with you. He is, how did you enlist him with 325 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:18.799 this concept of I'm gonna become a scratch golfer and I'm gonna document my journey 326 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.720 on YouTube. And he said, I'm all in, no, how did 327 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.920 that happen? Yeah, it's it's pretty funny. I've gotten a couple of 328 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:30.240 those questions too. And I am more or less just cold called like these 329 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.720 instructors and or emailed them and just said hey, like I'm I'm new to 330 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:38.480 this game. I'm trying to do this whole scratch the scratch thing. And 331 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.119 I just kind of like invoked to them like I'm really hard working, like 332 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.359 you're not gonna get a has student in regards to like I will like blood, 333 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.160 sweat and tears is like the definition. And so I think they were 334 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.960 just also just bought into the journey. And then after kind of seeing like 335 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.680 my relative dedication of just like constantly practicing, practicing hitting them up at two 336 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:02.720 am with like questions, they got more and more bought in and so but 337 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:04.039 he was like right off to bed. It was like yeah, like this 338 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.400 is this is this is crazy and this is and I get a lot of 339 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.799 emails like that's like, you're pretty crazy, but I'm in it, and 340 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:17.759 so I think my emails were like that. I wouldn't be surprised. That's 341 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.359 what this podcast is basically going, you're crazy, dude, you're crazy. 342 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.640 And so when Mike said, yeah, I'm in here's my hourly rate, 343 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.720 or he's like he's just doing this for the fun of it now, Yeah, 344 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:37.720 no, I still uh yeah, pay these coaches. Um yeah, 345 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:42.000 okay, So the last video I watched with you and Mike was the one 346 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:47.400 was like he was giving you information based on how to break one hundred, 347 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.039 how to break ninety, how to break eighty. So that was probably just 348 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:56.920 a couple days ago. As we're recording this um and a lot of the 349 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:02.359 stuff that he was saying to you, he would ask you a question, 350 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.920 you'd kind of nod your head, but I get the sense that he had 351 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.079 no idea what he was talking about in many of these things, Like you 352 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.960 know, like he goes by pretty fast. He's really because you're asking him 353 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:21.720 for so much information all at once. I'm trying to absorb this that he's 354 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:29.720 saying stuff that am I right in assuming that you're kind of lost, and 355 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.880 a lot of things that he talks about for that one specifically, like I 356 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.240 definitely absorbed the information, and I understand it's because, like in previous episodes, 357 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.920 he did mention those things to me in parts, and so he was 358 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:47.960 kind of just putting an aggregation in like it into this lesson, and so 359 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:49.599 for me it was kind of review which was great, and so that was 360 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.519 kind of like nodding. But the great thing I think about this journey and 361 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.400 documenting it is like once I get home, I'll just review it again and 362 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.359 I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes for sure sense or I just 363 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.720 need to like recall, but yeah, I think the majority of the things 364 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:08.240 has made sense. I think my biggest disconnect at times is like I'll mentally 365 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.799 get it. I'll know like, Okay, this is exactly what I need 366 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.519 to do, but it's like my body isn't following suit yet, and so 367 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.359 I'll like, all right, and you get in this position, in this 368 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.920 position, do this, this will lead to this type of shot. But 369 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:23.839 going a million miles an hour and hitting a ball in a mill second, 370 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.599 I think is like the biggest story. I'm like trying to get all those 371 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:32.359 things and do it in like less than a second has been the biggest disconnect 372 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:36.759 for me. But similar to like, I guess, I guess this is 373 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:41.000 why I'm not super discourage. Is like when I was playing basketball, that's 374 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.039 pretty much the process where I would just do the same thing over and over 375 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.039 and over. Eventually I'm like, Okay, I'm good enough to do it, 376 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.720 so I have that frame of reference. But yeah, to answer your 377 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:59.200 question, mentally, I understand, but physically hasn't followed up with what I'm 378 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:04.759 learning and has your sports psychologist let you know yet that the more you think 379 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:11.440 about it while you're doing it, the less success you'll have. Yeah, 380 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:18.319 actually today is that right? With that same concept, And so he gives 381 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.880 like mental exercises and like stiff stuff to think about in regards to like cognitive 382 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.480 cognitive abilities in regards to like, don't think about all this, but you 383 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.240 will basically have that in the next couple months since you're trying to learn everything, 384 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.279 but eventually it's going to be so rinse and repeat that you're just not 385 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.279 going to think about it in your body's gonna just follow a false suit. 386 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.839 And so that's helping me put things into mind because I'm just going like, 387 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.359 oh my god, after five hours, I still can't get this. And 388 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.279 they're like, you have to like put this irrelevance. You're two months in, 389 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:53.039 Like you shouldn't be acting like you're a scratch golfer yet. And I 390 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.680 think that's got my mental mindset all the time, like I need this now, 391 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.680 and I'm like, I think I should be here by relatively, I 392 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:07.519 think I'm okay. Well, you know it's something that personally for me, 393 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.720 like I said, this is all about me becoming a better golfer and getting 394 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:17.200 all this information. And I was probably into my sixteenth or seventeenth year of 395 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:22.359 doing this when I got that concept of when you think about what you're doing, 396 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.039 it's not good. I mean, I always talked about the mental game, 397 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.000 and I always consider the mental game as how I don't beat myself up 398 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.519 after a bad shot and just let that go. But then all of a 399 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:38.799 sudden, I made this subtle adjustment to not thinking about the things I need 400 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:44.920 to do during the swing and just letting my body do what it does. 401 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.279 That all of a sudden, I became a better golfer. And that's when 402 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.680 my index dropped like many points in just a few months, I was playing 403 00:29:52.680 --> 00:30:00.559 so much better golf. But golf is not like a fixed thing like basketball. 404 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:06.240 The court is the same size wherever you play. The basketball hoop is 405 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.720 the same height. No matter where you play every golf course, you're going 406 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:15.559 to approach every golf course every golf shot. Even if you play the same 407 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.519 course over and over and over, every golf shot is going to be a 408 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:25.079 different shot than you've done before. So it's not like you can just pull 409 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.359 that back from where you were in the past and say, Okay, I've 410 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:33.640 made this shot before. It it just doesn't translate. So thinking about all 411 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.319 those things can make it really difficult. Yeah, by putting coach, I 412 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:44.519 think by maybe three weeks and was like, this is way different from basketball 413 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.160 because you're not training for one game. You're basically training for maybe like fifteen 414 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.240 games into one where you have your long irons, short irons, you got 415 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.359 your putting long putting, short putting driver, all these different things and they're 416 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:02.079 slightly different in nuance. And then combine that with the permutation of different courses, 417 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.759 different positions. And so I was and he's like, I mean, 418 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.720 I applaud you. Let's get on this journey. But just be aware. 419 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.880 This is not like basketball, even though bast player and then I was like, 420 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.200 I'm in it. I love that he says, I applaud you because 421 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.720 when he when he turns his back, he's going, WHOA, who is 422 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.279 this guyl? What is he doing? You're right, people are proud. 423 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.279 You're crazy. You're absolutely crazy. That's what I loved about it. I 424 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.880 watched a video. I'm going, oh, no, I have to talk 425 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.720 to this guy. I have to figure out what the heck he's thinking about. 426 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.240 Um, Okay, we're gonna take another time out because I have another 427 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.160 question. But it'll lead to a longer conversation, so we'll be right back. 428 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.119 Let's hear what's going on in Golf Smarter Mulligan's. This week on Golf 429 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:51.079 Smarter Mulligan's is part of our continuing tribute to doctor Glenn Albaugh, who appeared 430 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:55.880 on Golf Smarters six times, but we lost him at the age of ninety 431 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.640 one this past February when he passed away. This fourth episode, which is 432 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:06.680 a continuation of last week's conversation, was originally published for members only. That 433 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:10.039 means that even if you've been listening to Golf smarters since it was published in 434 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.200 January of twenty fourteen. But you weren't a paying member, then you've never 435 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:21.839 heard this one before. This episode talks about the preshot routine from the mental 436 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.480 side. When we practice the inner game, the trust drills, we're practicing 437 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.359 the end of the routine, because a preshot routine begins with a commitment to 438 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.440 a strategy, and we do that in our thinking brain. Then we leave 439 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.640 our thinking brain, we step in an aim, we visualize the shot, 440 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.599 then we take aim with our club face and our body and of course our 441 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.720 mind. And then we moved to the last part of the routine, which 442 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.680 is trusting, which I mean retaining the image of the target, feeling this 443 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.160 link that matches that, and hearing the sound in advance. But we practice 444 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.680 these separately and then we put them all together in our pre shot routine. 445 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.640 So the inner game the trust drills are the end of the pre share routine. 446 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.400 And then when we were able to make that walk from the practice rain 447 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.279 to the first tea with a swing, we can trust. That's golf Smarter. 448 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.000 Mulligan's episode two hundred twelve, the fourth of six episodes in our series 449 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:22.599 featuring another incredible metal game coach whom we recently lost but allow his legacy to 450 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:28.799 live on. Doctor Glenn Albaugh, author, coach and pioneering sports psychologists. 451 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.519 Check the show notes or our blog posts to learn more about Glenn, how 452 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.359 to get either of his books, Winning the Battle Within and The Clutch Golfer 453 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:44.079 Formula, and get information about donations in his memory. Please subscribe for free 454 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.799 to both of our golf podcasts, Golf Smarter, published every Tuesday since two 455 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.640 thousand and five, and our sister podcast that revisits the best of the Golf 456 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:59.880 Smarter show, called Golf Smarter Mulligan's being released every Friday from wherever you're listening 457 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:09.519 right now. So the first round that I watched, um, you play, 458 00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:14.199 you go out for the first time on a on a Part three course. 459 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.400 First of all, dude, you're driving in a cart. Part three 460 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.440 course. You can walk the golf course or is that because because the camera 461 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:27.960 and wants to be not not have to walk? Yeah, I guess there's 462 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.440 Part three courses. They won't allow me to walk with a camera person or 463 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:37.119 a spectator and so it's like, yeah, so I have to get a 464 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:38.480 cart every time, and I'm like Oh my god, it's cutting into my 465 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:45.719 butget But yeah, do you have a budget here? Do you have Like? 466 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:53.360 Okay, after five years of doing this every single day, I'm gonna 467 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.880 explode. I just need to take a break. Do you think that it 468 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.599 could take you five years? Do you think it could take you fifteen, 469 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.360 twenty years? Do you think it's going to take you six months? Oh? 470 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.800 Um, I'm well into it for at least five to ten years for 471 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:12.760 sure. I'm like, I'm in it for the long haul. I think 472 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.199 a lot of people on like instantaneous gratification, but I'm like willing to do 473 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.719 whatever it takes. In regards to bid Jet, I don't want to really 474 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.639 disclose too much of that, but no, no, I am. Yeah, 475 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:31.400 basically you want to basically do this until I go completely bankrupt. Well, 476 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:35.719 luckily you're still working. That's a that's a good thing. I'm glad 477 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.800 to know that you're still working, because as a parent, I would be 478 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.840 slapping you upside the head, going what are you doing? Go back to 479 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:49.559 arc um. Now, there's so many things about golf that you don't necessarily 480 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.079 learn from an instructor, but you learn from being out on the golf course. 481 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.639 Right, And you don't learn from hitting balls that are driving pounding balls 482 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.719 away to driving rates that you learn while you're playing with other people, like 483 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.119 the parts about being a good golf citizen or about golf etiquette, which I'm 484 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:14.960 not necessarily a huge fan of those traditional things, but a lot of them 485 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.079 do make sense once you get into the game for a while. Has any 486 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.840 of that been introduced to you yet? Yeah, So I think that's a 487 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:30.039 great point. And I think that not only my coaches and the YouTube community, 488 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.960 because person coming in with no idea what this game is about, like 489 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.280 golf etiquette and all that stuff. I've kind of just like wandering like well, 490 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.880 hitting balls and like learning about like people walking in people's line. I 491 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:50.320 never really knew that was a thing. And then like where you're supposed to 492 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.519 stand in regards to like putting, I knew like you shouldn't be talking. 493 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.840 That was like probably the only thing I knew. But like I'll just read 494 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.800 the comments and you know, always good advice, like you a proper etiquette 495 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.960 is this is this? My coaches will like kind of off hand say some 496 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.039 stuff like that, and then I'll have like really, which I think I've 497 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.840 been fortunate about it is like having random partners, um not only be like 498 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.280 willing to like you know, except that I'm like filming, Um, I 499 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.800 try to go as fast as possible, but like they'll always be like hey, 500 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.320 like, um, you should kind of do this this and this, 501 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.239 and I'll like preface this. This is like some stuff that has not even 502 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:25.800 shown on YouTube. I'll like ask them, hey, like I'm a beginner, 503 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.480 like let me know if you know some things I'm doing is incorrect or 504 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.760 like etiquette wise, because I have no idea and so um off camera, 505 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.679 they'll just like hey, by the way, like, um, I'd do 506 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.719 this next time or whatever it may be. Like the other day, just 507 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:44.159 learned like there shouldn't be like all the balls on the putting green when like 508 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.840 people's putting, so like try to put like your your marker there as soon 509 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.079 as possible, and so like before I think like episode two or three, 510 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.199 I'm like just leaving anything there, just kind of like waiting around. And 511 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.559 so I think definitely progressing there. Um and I'm thankful for everyone's kind of 512 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:08.079 helped me be is kind of like the end headlights type think a critical part 513 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:15.159 of playing golf is knowing how long you hit each club. And I got 514 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.199 that sense from one of your first rounds. It's like, I like this 515 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.599 club, I'm just going to keep hitting it. And it was like, 516 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.679 no, no, kid, you can't just keep hitting that club thinking because 517 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.519 it's not the club, it's you that does the work and then the club. 518 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.400 The club face is what the difference is between how far the ball goes 519 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.360 as long as you have a consistent swing, which is yours away still for 520 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:44.639 you to do that. Have you rounded out your back? Have you completed 521 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.480 because I know Mike went through your back going yet you don't you need this 522 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.239 club? You need this club, You need this club. You don't have 523 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.719 this Why do you have that? Have you completed a full set of clubs 524 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:57.000 yet? Do you know how many clubs you're supposed to have in your back? 525 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.400 Not really, not yet? Um, But right now I think I 526 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.400 have high hybrid I which I probably you should get. I have like a 527 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:15.400 three wood a driver five six seven eighty nine fifty six sixty potter um pitching 528 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.519 wedge and I think it's called like an attack widge um or a log widge 529 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.000 And that's all I have right now. Um. But like even even at 530 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:28.519 the courses. Right now, I'm not too comfortable like hitting like the longer 531 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.719 irons or the driver or the three wood yet, and so I'm mainly just 532 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.119 trying to like optimize my distances and like my game around the other stuff while 533 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.920 I learned about the other stuff as well. So a lot more holes in 534 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:43.840 the bag. But I think as my my game progresses, I'll probably like 535 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.079 invest in more of that stuff. Do you know that there's a limit of 536 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.639 how many clubs you can carry? Are you a worry? No? What 537 00:39:52.719 --> 00:40:00.960 is it? I learn everything? Go find out for yourself. Um, 538 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:05.880 twenty two clubs. You're just allowed to carry twenty two clubs. That was 539 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.880 for the audience. Um, so wait, do you look? Is your 540 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.159 seven iron is your favorite club? I think nine iron right now is my 541 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.320 favorite club? And how far do you hit your nine iron? Do you 542 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.119 think? Not? Not's the what I'm not asking. What's the longest you've 543 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:27.039 ever hit your nine iron? But what do you It's like, Okay, 544 00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.519 I've got this distance, that's my nine iron. Do you know that part 545 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.679 yet? Yeah? I would say my nine errands around like one twenty five 546 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:42.840 to one thirty five, Um, and then see, but it's so sporadic 547 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.800 because uh, I went to this range and I think one of these videos 548 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.960 it's gonna drop soon. And like I hit my seven iron like two thirty, 549 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.760 and then I hit my five hour in two seventy five and it was 550 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.920 definitely luck of like hitting it exactly where it needs to be. But I 551 00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.199 was like, I don't really have engauge of like what max distances or my 552 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:06.159 averages for the longer irons. But whenever I know it's like onety one fifty, 553 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:12.239 I'll be like, hit a nine or eight. Okay. Are you 554 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.239 familiar with Bryson Dashambo? Do you know who he is? Yeah? Okay, 555 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.800 I've interviewed somebody who was his caddy for a while and he told me 556 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:27.239 that Bryson Dashambo hits the seven iron two twenty. So are you sure you 557 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.400 hit your bar you hit your seven iron as a beginner. Are you sure 558 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.400 that's how far you hit it? That's the thing. And even at one 559 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:39.280 point Mike asked you about the length of a club and you gave him a 560 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.440 range of like twenty yards and he guess, no, no, no, 561 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.760 it's not the answer. You need a number. Would you tell me what 562 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.000 how far you hit it? That's why. And this is going to actually 563 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.760 be on like a video that's posting suit and we like asked the people. 564 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.800 I was like how far is this? And we all raged. It was 565 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.480 like yeah, three died and then I hit the seven iron the five hourn 566 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:01.840 and then we were we did the bath and we're like, wait, this 567 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:07.159 is two hundred and seventy five yards and so uh and I was like conferring 568 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.480 with everyone and they're like, yeah, dude, you you sent this five 569 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.199 iron two hundred and seventy five yards. And then we did that for the 570 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.320 next one. We're like, yeah, you sent the seven with a two 571 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:22.760 hundred twenty twenty two twenty five on like a two ninety or whenever at Bebo. 572 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:27.360 And so I was like triple checking because like my range finder isn't great, 573 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.159 So I'd like to ask everyone else and like I'll drove their drivers by 574 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:36.840 like fifty yards and so again like never hit that lucky thing, but uh, 575 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:42.480 usually it's not good. I'm are you sure it's not one seventy five 576 00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:47.639 and one fifty not two seventy five, because that's that's and was it going 577 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.960 straight? Yeah? It was perfectly straight? Um, because yeah, you 578 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:59.320 could it could be a phenom. I don't know. Maybe I don't, 579 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.079 but it was like the best thing I ever at the eel C I hit 580 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.480 one hundred percent horrible four because I just like used my entire body. But 581 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.400 I kind of knew it was that because like the next club I hit was 582 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.519 a fifty sixty three on a three nineties. I was like, we're not 583 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.199 a three fifty six. I think it was a nine. But so but 584 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:20.679 then like I said, what outliar case never done it again? But um 585 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:30.679 yeah, yeah, unbelievable. This is so much fun. Um. So 586 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.800 you have not even established a handicap yet. You haven't played enough golf to 587 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.559 establish whether you're a twenty twenty five, thirty or or at ten right now? 588 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.719 Right yeah, No, I've only been to these three part threes. 589 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.320 Um. I think for me, I was what I think I'm going to 590 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:53.199 try to get like a handicap, like at the three month mark. Um, 591 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.079 I want to be able to hit a driver at first, and then 592 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.119 uh kind of just understand some other stuff that you know, I've been doing 593 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.159 incorrectly, and then I'll go to like a regulation course and then probably get 594 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.519 my score then. Um, not too far from now, but um, 595 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.679 no, no handicap yet. Do you know what it takes to get a 596 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:15.559 handicap? I know there's like a lot of math that goes into it, 597 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:21.760 but I think there's a what it means. I don't really know too much. 598 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.760 I just know like it's relative to the what you have in relevance, 599 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.599 like Scott zero, So like a bogie I think is like whatever, getting 600 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:37.760 a bogie on average on eighteen and then over like fifty two holes or maybe 601 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.079 that's wrong. There's something of that nature. I don't know. You need, 602 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.679 you need, you need to have ten rounds that you've put into the 603 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:52.079 system before it'll kick kick back a handicap to you. And it's base and 604 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:57.400 a handicap doesn't show what you're scoring is it shows what your potential is. 605 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.880 So it takes your of the last twenty round that you've played, it takes 606 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.559 eight of them and takes the best eight and say, okay, this is 607 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:13.920 your potential. And a handicap is really based on gambling. Golf is a 608 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.159 gambling game. Are you aware of that? No? What does that mean? 609 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:24.079 Ah? Well it you'll you'll get out once you get to eighteen whole 610 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.280 courses and you hit a five iron two hundred and seventy five yards. Sorry, 611 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.800 I'm laughing. People are gonna go, Okay, how much money is 612 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.239 on this round? What are we paying? What are we playing for? 613 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.800 Right? And it's like and they're gonna want to gamble with it. You're 614 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.599 gonna want to put money on for you to back up your your game. 615 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.719 And so it's based on your handicap, and a handicap just levels out the 616 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.960 playing field so that everybody. So if you're a scratch golfer and you're playing 617 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.920 with a ten handicap, then you have to give them ten strokes basically depending 618 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.239 on the golf course because it's from course of course, all these things I'm 619 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:06.960 throwing at you, and so they give. So that means that if at 620 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.920 the end of the round and it's a par seventy two course and you shoot 621 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.360 eighty two because you're a ten handicap, you know approximately, but you know, 622 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:20.320 you shoot an eighty two and they're a scratch golfer and they shoot seventy 623 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:24.000 three or seventy four, would then you would take that handicap into consideration you 624 00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:31.079 beat them. So yeah, but you're gonna you're gonna come across people that 625 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:36.119 are gonna, you know, or they'll want to play for money and they're 626 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.519 gonna want to gamble, and that's the whole point of golf from the beginning, 627 00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:44.519 and that's why the handicap system was created from my perspective, so that 628 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:50.679 everyone's playing on the level playing field and you can compare apples to apples here, 629 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:58.400 So that's what that means. Getting to scratch, getting to single digit 630 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.920 is hard enough. But you'll hear and you'll probably do a tremendous amount of 631 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:10.519 research. You'll hear people talk about getting from a ten to a seven is 632 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:15.599 hard. Getting from a five to a scratch. Giving from a three to 633 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:22.920 scratch is super hard because you have to be incredibly consistent on shooting part or 634 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:30.119 better on a regular basis. And you'll once you start playing in a regular 635 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:36.599 regularly, you'll either start to hate the game because you're you're so enthusiastic. 636 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.760 I love your enthusiasm. You're so enthusiastic that you haven't had any problems yet. 637 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.320 You don't know, like all the things that are gonna come in and 638 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.840 say, this is golf. You can't be that good. The golf gods 639 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:51.960 are watching and we're not gonna let you be that I'm being a bummer. 640 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.360 I'm being an old fart, and I apologize. I don't mean to yuck 641 00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:01.400 on your yum and and and put any dampers on your enthusiasm. I think 642 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:07.320 it's I think it's admirable. I just think it's outrageous. Oh, one 643 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:15.679 hundred percent outrageous. All right, well, man, again, what's the 644 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.480 name of the channel on YouTube? It's just my name, Jerome roof In. 645 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.119 But yeah, every episode is a scratch the scratch episode, and yeah, 646 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:28.639 check that out. It's entertaining. Look it up. It's entertaining and 647 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.880 you'll learn stuff because I even picked up a bunch of things watching. It's 648 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.079 like, oh right, there's reminders in there, there's a little new and 649 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.760 golf is nothing but nuance. Man, it's just the amount of nuance. 650 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:45.000 And again, I've been doing this for such a long time and I pick 651 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.760 up new stuff all the time that I go, oh, that's gonna help 652 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.280 me. So I want to thank you for helping me as well. Oh 653 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:57.280 well, it's been a pleasure, and hopefully the future content can help you 654 00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:06.159 and everyone else watching. Welcome back to Fred's nineteenth Hole. So my wife 655 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:09.039 returned from being with the grandchildren for two weeks, and that allowed me to 656 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:15.440 continue to work off my winter layoff and prep for my trip to Abandon Dunes 657 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.360 next month. Happily, of the six rounds I played in that time, 658 00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.039 my final round at my favorite course, Rooster Run in Pedaluma, was the 659 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:29.480 best. It started great with birdies on one and two and had only twelve 660 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:34.280 puts on the front nine and I made everything inside of fifteen feet. It 661 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.079 was so much fun. Now My ball striking was much better, and I 662 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:44.559 ended up shooting a thirty eight and thirty nine seventy seven. What I'm recognizing 663 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:49.199 is that when I can keep my butts under thirty two for the round, 664 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.679 I have a decent chance of breaking eighty. Easier said than done, right, 665 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:59.239 And while I'm at it, can I comment on the handicap system for 666 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.320 a moment? I know that I tried to explain how it works to Jerome 667 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.880 near the end of the episode. But if our index is supposed to represent 668 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:13.920 our playing potential, can you please explain to me why in the world we 669 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:17.719 use that for competition. When my buddy Neil and I play together, he 670 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:23.079 says I have to give him six strokes or more. Yet almost every time 671 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:30.320 we play one of us wins by no more than two strokes gross. My 672 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.199 suggestion is that we look at three different numbers when competing. Sure, showing 673 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.400 your potential is a great number to be aware of, but taking the eight 674 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:45.039 best rounds over the last twenty isn't an honest representation of how we're playing. 675 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.000 The anti handicap, that is, taking the highest eight scores over the last 676 00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:57.039 twenty also represents what your potential is when everything isn't working, which is more 677 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:01.320 often than not. So why can't we just take the average score over the 678 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:07.920 last twenty rounds and use that well? Because people pad their numbers. But 679 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:13.480 for instance, over the last twenty rounds between November nineteenth and May twentieth, 680 00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:19.119 almost exactly six months from me, my average score is eighty three point four. 681 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:23.360 Does that actually coincide with me having an index of seven point eight. 682 00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:29.760 I'm sure I'm missing something, But if you can explain why this is the 683 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:34.239 best system for competition, I'd love to hear from you and get that. 684 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.800 I'll listen. Just tell me why. And what about our newest ambassador, 685 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:45.159 Eric Christensen from Seattle, Washington. Does he play up to his best eight 686 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.079 rounds every time out. 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