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I am six forty years later with
Mokelly. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio

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app and it's happening again and again
and again. They were three separate and

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unrelated attacks on metro buses or metro
train platforms in the past twenty four hours.

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Three two of them were stabbings.
One was originally reported as a stabbing,

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but it was actually attacked by wrench. Three different attacks, three different

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areas of the city. It's not
like we can relegate it to one portion

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of town. It's not like we
can say, well, it's only happening

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at night. Know what's happening all
times of the day, all areas of

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La County. These three attacks,
after my conversation with La County Supervisor Catherine

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Barker, who has been very vocal
about this issue, let me go back

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to the beginning, the very beginning, when we first started talking about violence

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on the metro, I received a
number of notes from you, messages from

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you cross various social media saying MO, to the effect of MO, you're

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putting too much on it. You're
exaggerating it's not as bad as here,

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or it's not as bad as there
over here in Washington, DC, it's

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happening like this, It's not happening
every day. It's more safe. I

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remember someone was sending me a message
saying it was more safe than driving in

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a car, because people drive,
and they getting accidents and die in automobile

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accidents every single day. I've never
heard much of people getting stabbed every single

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day while driving in their car.
But as the tide began to change,

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I think, I think maybe I'm
wrong. People began to see the undeniable

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truth that the Metro as we know
it is uncontrollably violent. And sometimes I

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can be prone to hyperbole, but
this is not one of those times.

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It is getting close to becoming an
everyday occurrence. A person was assaulted a

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board a metro bus today, the
third attack in the Encino area, and

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a suspect was taken into custody.
And as I said, this is a

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third attack tied to the transit system
within the past twenty four hours. According

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to LAPD, officers responded around two
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intersection of Ventura Boulevard and Balboa Avenue. The suspect, who apparently suffered from

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a mental illness, stole a cell
phone from the victim before slamming a wrench

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into his chest. The victim was
not seriously injured, thank goodness, and

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did not require hospitalization. The suspect
was taken into custody. That was the

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most recent attack. Let me go
back to Monday. At about seven h

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five pm Monday, a teenage boy
was stabbed during an attempted robbery a board

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a metro bus. Remember we had
been talking about these attacks on buses against

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operators and passengers. Boy was stabbed
during an attempted robbery a board a metro

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bus near West Los Phelis Road and
South Central Avenue in Glendale. And there's

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something else that should be highlighted.
This is not what I call garden variety

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gang activity, where gang members or
attacking gang members. You have people who

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are not gang members. Maybe they're
homeless, maybe they're suffered from mental illness,

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maybe they're under the influence of drugs
or a combination of these things.

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They are attacking random people, civilians
like you and me, mother's children.

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It does not matter. Everyone is
equally vulnerable and susceptible. But this teenage

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boy was stabbed and there were three
juvenile suspects who approached the victim and attempted

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to steal his backpack. The victim
was stabbed during the attempted robbery and the

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suspects ran away from the scene.
This is according to the Glendale Police Department.

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They caught two of the three suspects. The third suspect is still at

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large. Two hours later, about
nine oh five pm last night, a

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woman was stabbed at a Metro sea
which is the Green Line station at South

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Vermont Avenue and the one oh five
Freeway. I know this stop and location

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intimately. It is literally the closest
pickup point for any metro bus or train

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from where I live. I passed
it every single day. And this victim

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who was attacked on an elevator,
I know that elevator. I know it

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is on the freeway level as you
exit the one oh five Freeway at Vermont,

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and it will take you down to
the street level where you can pick

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up the train, and there's also
a parking ride there. But this victim

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was stabbed while boarding or riding an
elevator going from the freeway level down to

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the street level. A man wearing
all black got away boarding a westbound train

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toward Hawthorne, And as you know, these attacks are the latest incidents of

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VYE all across the Metro transit system. I'm not talking about homelessness in general.

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I'm not talking about people doing drugs
on the trains or buses. I'm

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not talking about fair jumpers. Those
happen all day, every day in all

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places on Metro. I am only
talking about violence in which people are getting

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shanked, getting hit with wrenches.
It is something that we cannot ignore anymore.

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And this is not about comedy.
This is not about pointing fingers.

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This is about having an honest conversation. Part of the reason we started talking

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about Metro was because Metro was talking
about everything except the violence. It was

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talking about, well, it's a
mental health issue, you heard Maorbassi.

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We've heard about how we need to
deal with the mental health aspect of it.

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We've heard about how writers they want
information. So they rolled out the

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ambassadors as if that was going to
change something. In fact, we got

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more and more ambassadors over the previous
months. We got slight acknowledgment of the

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actual violence. And here is the
bottom line. Until the violence is addressed,

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nothing else matters. Absolutely nothing else
matters. And I am not requiring

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Metro to prevent all violence. That's
not what I'm saying. Crazy and criminal

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happen. You can't prevent crime,
but you can't address it. You can

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act like it's the singularly most important
issue confronting the Metro. There is nothing

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else that matters. I don't care
about graffiti. I don't even care about

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a cleanliness or it being unsanitary in
nature. If you cannot do something honestly,

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attempt to do something to address the
violence being perpetrated on writers and operators,

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nothing else matters. When we come
back, we're going to hear some

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audio Cafi's own Blake Trolley was out
talking to different members of the subway and

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also bus writing community. We'll also
hear from LAPD interim chief Troy what he's

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talking about relative to this violence and
trying to propose solutions and more. You're

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listening to later with Moe Kelly on
demand from KFI AM six forty And Honestly,

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I didn't choose this Metro story.
It kind of chose me. I

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say that because I was I'm gonna
be completely honest. I had the privilege.

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I was fortunate enough when I was
riding the Metro. It was by

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choice. It wasn't because I had
no choice. I exercised the choice.

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I had the option. I wanted
to save money. I didn't want to

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spend all that time in my car. I didn't want to burn all that

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gas. I wanted to be able
to use because time wise it was about

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equal. It was gonna take me
about the same amount of time with all

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these transfers to go from home to
the office via the subway and above ground

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rail than if I were to actually
drive. But I would save some money,

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and if I were on the train, I could maybe get some work

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done pull out my computer. But
I was then not. Now I have

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exercised a different choice, and I
won't ever get on the metro, or

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at least for the foreseeable future.
I have no reason to get on it,

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and I would not recommend anyone that
I personally we care about getting on

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it either. And just to let
you know, we have a request in

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too, Supervisor Catherine Barger to maybe
come back on the show tonight. Issues

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available. We had a very very
insightful conversation last week, but that was

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before all this has happened, and
I'm sure what's happening in the La County

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Supervisors meeting is all about this,
and I would love to hear how that

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body is deliberating over something like this. But I had a choice, and

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I chose to get on the train
each and every day. And I only

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had to worry about and I was
talking about this with Twala during the break.

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The only thing I had to worry
about, by and large, the

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homeless people, kids who were acting
up getting on the train, you know,

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jumping fares, acting a fool.
But I didn't have to worry about

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random, unprovoked acts of violence.
I didn't back then, and this is

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maybe five six years ago. I
didn't feel for my personal safety. I

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absolutely would now KF I so owned
Blake trolley was out in various areas around

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the city and county getting people's thoughts
about the Metro. Some people were willing

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to give their name, others weren't. But here's the conversation that he had

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with an unnamed writer what he thought
because of these recent attacks, what he

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saw on his daily commute, and
whether any of this has changed how he

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would approach commuting day to day.
What do you make of a woman being

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stabbed taking the elevator here, couldn't
stab that's a little wild, it's a

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little harmed. I don't know.
I tell you, the truth makes me

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double think about public transportation, just
like the metro brilliant safe. Do you

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ride Metro often? Not really?
But hearing this might change my thought of

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writing. That's again, God,
Just so you took it today? Yeah?

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I took it today, heading to
work right now, a little late,

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but all right. Did you see
anything on your ride today? Nah?

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Just a lot of homeless people.
What you saw today? Yeah,

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pretty much, that's it. That
was pretty noticeable. Though, what could

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you say you saw from your point
of view as a passenger? No,

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it makes me really feel unsafe when
there's a lot of homeless people, especially

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when the tweaking out and stuff makes
you feel uncomfortable, makes you not want

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to pay for the bus anymore.
Did you take the rail system as well

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today? Yeah? I take the
rail system. I'm gonna catch the bus

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right now, gotcha? All right, thank you, I appreciate it.

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Thanks man. That's Blake Trolley.
And there's some other statements which will be

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coming in. We'll give that to
you. As far as whether Ellie County

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Board of Supervisors individually or as a
body would have a statement about Metro.

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What is going to be going on
LAPD. Interim Chief Choy had some thoughts

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as well in some public remarks.
There's other discussions about potentially how how do

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we keep weapons off? Do we
need additional security at the gates? But

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these are all ongoing discussions that we
need to keep working with MTA. I

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will say that we are looking at
a variety of ways that we can help

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our partners at MTA and the other
agencies that are involved in policing this,

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the trains and the bus. I'm
not a member of law enforcement. I

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can't begin to strategize what law enforcement
would need to do to manage Metro,

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but this I can say as a
concerned citizen, as a voter, as

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someone who cares about the community in
which he lives. This can't continue as

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it is. I don't know if
the answer is putting an officer on every

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platform, every train, and every
bus, and financially that's probably not feasible.

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But I do know the longer we
wait, the more people who will

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be hurt. And I get the
sneaking suspicion that a lot of this crime

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is probably reflexive in nature, where
criminals know where they can commit crime and

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there is a lesser path of resistance. I don't believe that one stabbing is

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completely emotionally unrelated to other stabbings.
I think the word is out that if

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you're going to harm someone on a
metro train, there's a good chance you

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might get away with it. Or
if you're going to go crime, go

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crime on a metro bus or metro
train. And here's something else we've heard

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from the metro bus operators. They
made it clear they had a sick out

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and that was last week, that
was before this was happening. I wonder

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what that means for next week and
a week after that, or the month

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after that. Because with all due
respect to lapd Item Chief Choy, nothing

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has changed. With all due respect
to the La County Board of Supervisors,

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nothing has changed. We all can
see the problem, we can identify the

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problem. We all probably agree that
this is unacceptable. This this amount of

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crime. People, citizens, parents, grandparents, even children. I told

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you about a boy, and we
know about a grandmother who was killed.

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It's all ages, all ethnicities,
everyone is dealing with it. We all

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can point at it and say this
is unacceptable, But nothing has changed since

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we all can agree as they say
to Church, touch and degree, this

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is unacceptable. Well, what is
going to be the short term solution or

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the short term strategy until we can
get to the long term strategy. We

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can't have tomorrow just like today.
We can't have commuters and writers get on

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a train or bus. We can't
have operators operate a train or bus tomorrow

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just like today, and expect tomorrow
to be different. Friend, simply because

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we all can agree that crime is
a problem. When we come back,

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I'm going to a attack this from
a different vantage point and explain how there's

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overlap with these ills pun intended here
of society of La County, of La

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City, and how crime on Metro, how homelessness on Metro is going to

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have some unintended consequences because once we've
stopped addressing one, then we have to

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deal with the other and they start
to overlap. Remember I was telling you

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about this hepatitis outbreak, but it's
coming from the homeless population. Well,

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when you talk about the homeless population, you also have to talk about Metro.

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So this hepatitis outbreak will have unintended
consequences for writers on Metro. That's

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next. You're listening to later with
Moe Kelly on demand from KFI for LA

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County. You know, I talk
a lot about civics, learning how your

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government works, what office or elected
official is responsible for this or that for

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reasons like this, what I'm getting
ready to talk about LA County supervisors.

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They're responsible for managing facilities, resources
services. They're kind of like mayors for

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various portions of these cities, portion
of La City, unincorporated areas of LA

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County, and LA City. But
they're like mayors without getting too deep in

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the weeds. They're managing facilities,
resources services. So when I talk about

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La County Department of Public Health anything
connected to that services resources facilities, or

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talk about metro facilities resources services,
there's overlap and the issues of one portion

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are inextricably linked to issues of another. Talking about hepatitis, La County health

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officials are continuing to investigate this outbreak
of what is at this point, five

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different Hepatitis A infections. Here's what's
really important. These infections were identified among

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the homeless population, and this is
since March. The homeless population is not

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one which is going to be tested
consistently or tested frequently. I can't tell

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you and I don't think La County
Department of Public Health can tell you that

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health status of all the homeless population. But this is what I can tell

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you. It is a community which
is not unto itself. It is not

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self in case, it's not self
enclosed. It is going to move in

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and out of every portion of La
County. They will get on Metro,

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they will ride Metro, they will
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even do drugs on Metro. The
point of it is saying that whatever happens

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to the homeless population can happen to
the general population. If there is an

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outbreak of any kind, and I
call it the hepatitis alphabet, be it

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a hepatitis B or C, it
is an outbreak which could easily jump over

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to the general population. Why Metro
alone is a conduit. Metro is that

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literal intersection where the non homeless population
and the homeless population intersect. We've told

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you about the stories in which La
Metro was trying to remove some five to

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six hundred different homeless people per night
from trains per night, and with that,

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any type of disease probably remains.
I know they clean the trains,

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yes, yes, yes, YadA, YadA yadah, blah blah blah.

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But you can't, and here's the
larger point. You can't talk about a

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budding or burgeoning hepatitis a outbreak and
not talk about the possibility of its spreading

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if only because of what's happening on
Metro. These things are not unrelated,

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they are absolutely connected, because whatever's
happening in the homeless community is not going

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to stay in the homeless community when
the homeless community is very prominent on Metro

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going anywhere and everywhere. And I'm
not saying that they need to be somehow

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ostracized or put on some sort of
island. I'm saying that we need not

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be ignorant of the reality here that
if there's a hepatitis break within the homeless

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community, that hepatitis outbreak is very
well possibly going to move over into the

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general community if only because of Metro. So the problems of Metro are not

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limited to Metro. We may say
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Metro, but if there's a hepatitis
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community is writing Metro well, then
that hepatitis outbreak is more likely to spread

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and As I said before, we
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limited to five people, that's just
five people that the La County Department of

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Public Health officials know of and have
verified. Metro. What is happening right

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now is going to have untold consequences
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in the way that I started talking
about Metro from a crime and safety standpoint,

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do you remember I also talked about
the unsanitary nature of it, not

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just dangerous, but it's a health
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all these things at the same time, then we will have multiple problems which

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are out of control but traceable back
to Metro. Specifically, watch this story

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this hepatitis a outbreak, because there
will be some intersection and will be overlap

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with the problems and issues of Metro. It's later with mo Kelly can't if

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I am six forty live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app And when we come back,

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we're going to turn the corner.
No pun intended for just a moment

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as we talk about cameras which are
watching Southern California drivers for rolling stops,

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and it can here you go,
mark negatively impact Oh no, your credit

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will tell you about it in just
a moment. You're listening to Later with

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Moe Kelly on demand from KFI AM
six forty and during the break, I

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was saying to Mark Ronner said,
this next story is for you because it

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sort of continues our ongoing conversation about
capitalism. I feel flattered when you think

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of me. Actually I do,
but not in the way that you want

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me to. Oh no, I'm
taking what a disappointment. Let me tell

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you about the Mountains Recreation and Conservation
Authority or at MRCA. It's a public

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entity that oversees more than seventy five
thousand acres of southern California parkland. They're

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giving out tickets, in fact,
the giving out tickets for more than a

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decade. Well, they don't call
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And they are one hundred dollars for
each and every time you roll through

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a stop sign. And it's not
the same as a citation or ticket issued

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by a law enforcement officer or a
highway patrol officer. These citations do not

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count against your driving record or your
insurance rates. But if you don't pay

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them, it's a bill. And
they can come after you. They can

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send debt collectors after you, they
can ruin your credit score. It's almost

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like you any other credit card,
just any type of item in which you

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actually purchased or enter into an agreement
to pay, except there's no agreement here,

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and there's a question of whether this
public entity has the authority to charge

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one hundred dollars for these citations and
also come after you. It's pretty amazing

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listen to this. They're engaged in
a deceptive practice of pretending to enforce the

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motor vehicle code when they don't have
the authority to do that, and they're

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tricking people into paying these tickets.
They are. At twelve fifteen PM on

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a warm sunny day last July,
Andrew Rice's adult kid did a rolling stop

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in a Prius while leaving the Temescal
Canyon parking lot near Pacific Palisades. What

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Rice's kid didn't know was that he
was being filmed as he did so,

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and the recording would result in a
one hundred dollars administrative citations from the Mountains

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Recreation and Conservation Authorities catch Up mrca
republic entity that oversees more than seventy five

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thousand acres to child in California.
Start copying me. That's not the same

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as a ticket issued by a cop
or a highway patrol officer. Right,

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it doesn't count against your driving record
or your insurance rates Nope, but failure

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to pay canon actor credit score and
can possibly result in debt collectors coming out.

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I wrote that that's what happened to
Santa Monica resident Rice, the registered

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owner of the car. He received
a letter from a debt collector saying he

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owed one hundred bucks for a citation
issued by the MRCA. He says he

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never saw the original citation, which
may have appeared as junk mail. It

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looks like it's a citation you might
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the city of Los Angeles, from
a police department. But the language in

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it was strange, and so I
researched the you know what is under it,

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and as it turns out, it's
a violation for breaking in park role.

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Wait, let's rewind the tape.
See that white car behind Rice,

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it's doing a rolling stop at the
exact same stop sign where his kid was

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busting. I think everyone leaving this
parking lot does that. Well, maybe

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not everyone, but in the hours
my cameraman and I were at timescal we

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saw numerous drivers roll through stop signs. We even saw an MRCA truck doing

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This is not a program that is
meant for public safety. This is a

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program that is meant to make income
for the park system. A spokeswoman for

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the MRCA told me no one would
be available for a no on camera interview,

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but she said by email that the
stop sign cameras are all about public

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safety. She said the agency operates
seven cameras at four parks, Temescal,

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Marvin Browdie, mohalland Gateway Park,
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The MRCA issues roughly seventeen thousand stop
signed citations a year, bringing in about

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one point one million dollars in revenue. To be sure, they provide ample

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warning that rolling stops will result in
fines, But is this the best way

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to raise funds? So I think
it is a terrible abuse, and the

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fact that it's gone on for a
decade or more without anyone doing anything is

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really shameful. Mark Ronner reaction.
I think this is exactly like the plot

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of an Old Adventures of Superman episode. I'm not kidding you. They stole

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this is people were getting pulled over
a little postage stamp sized town on a

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highway that people didn't know they were
speeding through, and if they couldn't pay

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the fine, they go to jail. I know that, and then Superman

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had to come get Jimmy Olsen out
of the jail. That's what I think.

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How's that for a response. Well, it's a good response, But

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I don't know how legally they're able
to do this. Maybe they're not.

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Well, we'll see what happens in
the future now that more media coverage has

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come to it. I don't know
about you, Mo, but I've been

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in this business long enough to know
that sometimes people do right up to the

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level that they can get away with
until there's stops from getting away with it.

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But imagine you're going through a park. There's not a lot of car

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traffic through a park, state park, regional park, neighborhood park. There's

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not a lot of car traffic,
and you're giving out one hundred dollars citations

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for rolling through a stop sign.
Knowing good and damn well, most people

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are going to ignore the fake citation
looking thing. You're gonna get in the

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mail if you receive it at all
or or notice it. And the next

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thing, you know, maybe you're
trying to go get a car, maybe

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trying to qualify for a house,
you realize, oh my gosh, there's

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this thing on my credit from two
years ago from some rolling stop sign that

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you don't even remember. And that's
just the fine. I'm quite sure it

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escalates, you know, if you
don't pay it after three months, it

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probably doubles. There's something stupid like
that. Yeah, and Superman, it's

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not gonna come help you either.
No, it's it's horrifying. Uh.

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And I I'm trying to look up
this episode while we're talking, and apparently

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I can't multitask. I was gonna
say, and to put it into terms

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of people who don't know the area, I know exactly where this is.

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Uh. Think of the deadest,
quietest area that you live in, wherever

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you are in the entire world.
Think of that and think, oh,

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I don't need to stop, like
there's literally nobody here. That's what this

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is. Also, what's another word
for a rolling stop California stop. And

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you can't do that in California,
not legally, but the enforcement agency happens

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to be actual law enforcement, not
ranger rick with a camera hiding behind a

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tree. I don't know what to
say. I'm not to say. I

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don't know why people put up with
it. Honestly, i'd be raising Holy

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hell, Oh, it's the last
time I drive through wherever that is.

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Yeah, I'm out, but it
is something else to think about the next

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time you were on a public park
or a golf course for that matter.

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I remember I got a rolling stop
ticket. I've gotten two in my life.

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One was cal State Domingus Hills back
in the early nineties, like ninety

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three ninety four, and they back
then they had I don't know how it

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is now, but their on campus
police were actual police. And this was

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eleven thirty, twelve o'clock at night. I was creeping coming from this young

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woman's apartment. What yeah, you
know, it's what young people do.

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And so I rolled through the stop
sign at midnight, and so they pulled

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me over, and I was hot. I'm wearing my fraternity sweatshirt. And

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it says, uh, excuse me, so, uh, why are you

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here on campus? It's a college
campus. I'm wearing a fraternity sweatshirt.

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You look at my car and as
a fraternity plate, I'm doing some college

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stuff, some fraternity stuff. Sounds
like it negatively impacted you. It did,

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it did. And then the officer, I remember, it's clear as

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day, said, uh, is
there anything we need to worry about in

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your car? Do your mind if
we search your car? Me At that

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point, I'm just pissed off.
I said, sure, go ahead search

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my car. And I knew it
was it was junking. It's like,

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you're not gonna find anything. I
don't do weed or anything, so I

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had nothing to worry about. Well, it's a good thing. Police never

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plant anything. Well, look,
I could have taken a test and I

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would have that would have passed with
flying colors. I wouldn't worried about that

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per se. And then they asked, do you have any weapons like grenades

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or anything. There's a grenade in
my pants, officer. And it's like,

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this is how I end up in
jail because I was so close from

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telling where, telling him where to
get off. Where would that have been

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exactly? I'm not gonna say.
All I'm saying is I understand what it's

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like to be mistreated for a rolling
stop. That's all I'm saying. And

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if it turned out to be the
MRCA, the MCA, the MTA,

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whatever this fly by Night organization is, well we'd have a misunderstanding right then

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and there. Show them that's right. Stop trying to act quiet to Alla.

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You know exactly what I'm dealing with. It's later with mo Kelly,

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