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Yet. Hey, good afternoon, everybody.

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Welcome to I on the Ball here
on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm

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Steve Rivera, He's Jaginsaus. Got
a guy sit in for a Friday afternoon.

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You're welcome to call it anytime.
I hope you get through. I

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hope we're paying to the phone lines
four one. I already got me coffee.

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Don't laugh at my snuff choking on
my chips. Okay, Hey,

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welcome to Friday Big Game tomorrow.
We have a couple of people here on

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the show today to talk about it. Yep. Kyle Dodd, who you

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know, one of the all time
and whould we call him a villain at

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Michael Villain paid in the neck.
Yeah, you know, one of the

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all time guys up there with Don
McLain and uh and and some of those

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others will be on the show.
He's the color color analyst under on ACU's

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Radio basketball radio broadcast. So I
was a point guard there and just one

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of those guys that just annoyed the
hell out of you. And he knows

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it. We know it. We've
talked about it. We've had him on

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the show before, and he'll be
on today and we'll talk about the game

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tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, that's
good, and we'll have our usual guy,

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Jacob Fisher on the four o'clock hour. Let me ask you, Bruce

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was asking this questions and we had
Tommy on yesterday right right with the press

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quss about the Maybe we talked about
it a little bit about the revenge factor

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or the motivation to beat them here, right or you think that plays a

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part? I think I do.
I think in players that does. Coaches

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try to avoid it and they openly
say, you know, you know,

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I'm not concerned about it. But
Sam eighteen nineteen twenty year old dudes,

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of course they have to. They
have to want. The coaches say it

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but don't mean it, but because
they want, they want. They remember

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they walked that. Yeah, Jed
jed for the one, the seventy seven

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to seventy. He was going for
seventy last year. He and even you

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knew during the week when he talked
about it, that there was something up

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his sleeve. It depends on the
coach, it really does. It depends

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on the coach. Again. You
know, we have you know, we've

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got history here, Steve, you
and I and you know the the the

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as U pregame speeches in the early
eighties, you know, were legendary and

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and and they give they give a
lot of credit to that for Arizona turning

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around the rivalry, you know,
Tom Rogman, you know, just just

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the just not being in the locker. But all you heard was, you

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know, he and Larry Smith and
those guys just made a big deal of

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the rivalry. And you know,
we're tired of them kicking our asses in

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Arizone. Turned around them. I
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Partly depends on the program, Partly
depends on the rivalry. Right, you

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know, Tommy, you know we
said we heard that. Yes, he

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kind of downplayed it, right,
I'm not thinking about that. I'm not

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thinking about the rivalry as much.
But I have to think that guys do

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more. Now, did DeAndre Aydon
give a crap about the rivalry? No?

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He didn't, right, right,
right? But did TJ. McConnell

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Probably probably right? You know,
you know somebody who's who plays in it

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and experiences it a bunch of times. TJ had the red shirt year and

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then he played two years. He
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think those guys do. But somebody
who's not. And that's the problem I

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have with the one and done,
they don't feel those things. Sure,

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that are sort of a big part
of all this. Did you definitely pay

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attention to stuff like that? Yeah, I think I think it does to

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certain certain players more. There's always
going to be players that use it more

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as fuel. Yeah, it's just
everyone's different. I think for a guy

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maybe like I don't know, maybe
like a Caleb Love, maybe it won't

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be to him, but for maybe
a guy when we had here to him

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it was. Maybe it's a it's
a bigger deal to Pelly Larson his third

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year year here at Arizona. Maybe
it's a big deal to Umar, and

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maybe it's let And you know,
those guys have to if they want that

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to live, they have to bring
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Uh. And for some reason,
I think in football and not for

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some reason, I think we know
why, because it's more of a rivalry.

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And sure, it's a big deal
in football. You feel like they

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pay more attention to it than they
do maybe in basketball. And again with

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so many one and douns or guys
rolling here a couple of years and don't

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really experience. Plus the rushers are
full of people from Arizona, whether it

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be Phoenix or Tucson or whatever,
the jack Fishers of the world, it

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means something to yeah, yeah,
and we'll ask Jake you know again,

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you know, and I think we've
talked about it before, but you know,

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just how much how much did they
they play on the hate or how

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much did they just say they didn't
the fear of losing the game. And

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again, let's let's make sure you
know, it's not apples and apples and

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apples. You know, the football
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has been for Do they have that
here in high school? There's some,

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there's some you know, point I
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a big rivalry, and that's just
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early on went uh well, it
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up because they were the expansion school. Right Sorrow split up and a bunch

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of those kids went to went to
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all over, so they won a
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its time too, so it took
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out right. Yea. You know
back in the day, you know Amphi

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and Tucson High here, you know, particularly football. You know, Rincon

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and Swarrow had a huge basketball rivalry. You know, sawar Wana state championship

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back in this like the early seventies
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to when I was, you know, in high school and stuff. I

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think today know you know, South
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Iron would rid uh out out of
Vail, not MIKEA Mountain, but Sianiga,

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you know, I mean we went
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That was you know, that was
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much of a rivalry was or was
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really good? Right right? And
that's what helps it. Both teams are

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being good. Teams want to establish
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tell you if the rivalries among the
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be. I mean, I think, yeah high, I think way back,

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Sunnyside and Pueblo because they were that
were in the closest proximity, you

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know, I know, Sunnyside and
Tucson High. When my brothers were playing

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football at Sunnyside, it was a
big rivalry, but only because I kicked

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their asses every year. And there
were very few high schools back then.

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Yeah, yeah, there weren't.
There weren't high schools. But you know,

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I think Santa Rita and Suarrow,
sawarw and Paul Verdy. Again,

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those schools were in proximity to each
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happens on how much it affects everybody
tomorrow. I mean, the issue needs

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to win some games to even be
considered anything in the tournament or for the

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tournament. Would you say that Hurley
maybe coaching for his job down the stretch

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here, I don't know, you
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a t right, I don't know
who knows. Last year at this point,

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it seemed like he saved this job
with that win, right he might,

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you know. I mean he got
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league, you know, not regularly, but in the league and we even

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I mean we even said or I
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was good. And then they went
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also went to the tournament. If
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They played TCU very close, they
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Yeah, the tournament, because I
remember they won the playing game.

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They were in one of the playing
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yeah, yeah, yeah, because
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after the first and As still in
Arizona is out right right, and they

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play teach you very close. If
you kind of google it, I think

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it happened. Uh. And and
he's a he's a good coach. He

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just doesn't have he hasn't got any
good places. Get the guys. Yeah,

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it's very tough nowadays, even even
to applaud Tommy. Well, you

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get so much fluid people coming in
and coming out. How difficult it is

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to mesh everybody together in a in
a season or months whatever. Uh you

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know, But if you're good,
you're good, you know, and coaching

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matters. It just does, well, of course it does. Did you

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get it. I'm looking I'm just
about there. I'm trying to get the

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page to come out. Okay,
it's slowly loading. Yeah. So you

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know there was a lot of hope
for that team too this year, but

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not so much after they started playing
very very different place style than Arizona.

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So you you live in like Gilbert, right, yep, So what's the

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what's the vibe there? Like?
Is it all issues? Then? Since

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I grew up there, it's been
all ASU football. That's a SU football

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was right, and that's what it
felt like living there, right yeah?

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Wow? Yeah, they did get
in the tournament. Yeah, they beat

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Nevada by twenty five and got in
against against TCU and lost by two.

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last second shot. So yeah. So

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yeah, it's it's always been ever
since I grew up there, it's always

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been as U fans love their football
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yeah, it's it's stopped being a
big deal to them really when Arizona kind

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of took over the right basketball the
basketball. Yeah, it's stopped being important

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to them because it was important to
them. You know, they had some

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really again, really good teams,
you know, you know, Fat Leaver

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by Byron Scott, Yeah, Lionel
Hollins is the name that I seventies.

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No, that's early well, it's
early eighties. They were in the Pac

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twelve by that time. I think
the eighty one to eighty two team went

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into the NCAA tournament like a two
seed with Byron Scott. It's funny he

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was talking about that. I saw
I heard him on the show yesterday.

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He was talking about his Byron Scott. Oh, how he was playing.

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You know, yeah, you know
I A c was you know, was

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really good during those years and and
they kind of dominated Arizona in the seventies,

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even those teams with you know,
with with Elliott Money, those guys

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they had trouble being a s U
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when when Luke and you know turned
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It kind of like went to the
site. Even the even the Freedom years,

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he had some good years but really
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No, he did it there ninety
five ninety six. Who's Bennett, Mario

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Bennett, Yeah in that team.
Yeah, yeah, that's when say he

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had a couple of years in there, but not it didn't. It didn't

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sustain. Okay, so they played
tomorrow seven thirty. Uh, we'll see

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you. There should be a fun, fun night of basketball. Softball starts

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this weekend, or not starts to
continues this weekend, baseball opening for yeah,

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right right, nice nice night too. Yeah, where you going?

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You're going to any of the games? Not this weekend? I won't Yeah,

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well, okay, not to not
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but but Arizona breaking out the power
of blue uniforms and baseball tonight, which

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would be cool. Well, that'll
be a different Yeah, a softball you

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know, swept a double header last
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in any of their games. All
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but again the competition hasn't been great. Well, we'll wait and see.

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If you're not measured by this weekend, you're measured by the Pac twelve stuff,

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right, just as basketball is too. Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna

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be a while before we know just
how good we we'll get to. You

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sent me, I sent you it
a while back, and then you just,

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hey, look at that. I
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at the date of the art mark
mark this down. He doesn't pay attention

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to anything I say you're sending.
Oh no, look I fell in my

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lap. Uh No, we'll talk
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talked to uh, and we'll I'm
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thinks that a is u of a
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nice and say yes, but you
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about the blue blood stuff again,
because I thought it was a good article.

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It was a really good article.
And we'll thought of too well,

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they clearly thought it through. They
explained why they have, you know,

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these the tears, the tiers that
they have, and uh and I like

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the article. I really did.
And and we'll we'll, you know,

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we'll kick it around a little bit, but you know, it's basically an

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article from in the Athletic from back
in December. That's too you know,

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blue bloods and then tier two,
tier three, Tier four, tier six

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or something like that, right,
And I agreed with it. I agreed

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with it. Yeah, Okay,
okay, we got a couple of minutes.

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Anything else we have to get off
our plate here. You want to

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talk about you'll talk about the Iowa
girl okay, Oh yeah, I won't

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talk about that. We'll wait for
you news coming out of the PAC twelve,

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right, which is not surprising,
but it's good. Yes, yeah,

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we knew, we knew that was
coming. Have you gotten your creditial

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requests? I did? I did. I just need to see if I'm

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gonna sit stay in the streets or
in a hotel room. You know,

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if my wife wasn't coming with me, Steve, I'd let you stay in.

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That's not happening. He's coming.
She was, she there, she

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was there, lecture. Yeah,
she goes, she goes. Yeah,

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the family goes every year, and
they enjoyed the turn. I'll find a

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place on the poker table, some
empty poker. Well, bumber, that

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hob doesn't still live over there?
Did you guys used to pile in at

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his You and Anthony and a bunch
of degenerates over there? Yeah, yeah,

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but it was away from the strip. No, we're all fine.

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Anthony's going to go this year too, and then we have all the yeah

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you know mister P and X days. Oh that's right. We need to

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get him on the show while we're
there. He's we are, we are,

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we are trying to get the show
at the park MGM, like we've

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done the last couple of years.
We've put our request in waiting here back

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from those guys, so we're shooting
for that. If we don't have it

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there, we'll have it somewhere.
And if you haven't gone to this,

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it's a fantastic time to go.
It's just the last one obviously, but

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yeah, even if you don't go
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go hang out at the bars outside
the arena, yea, or just you

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know, and the atmosphere during the
week, right, you go walking around

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the strip and you neverbody's got their
gear. There's like three tournaments going on

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there at the same time. It's
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fun. Again, Keeve said,
if you haven't been there, go it'll

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be gone for a while. Yeeah, Yeah, we'll be Kansas City.

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Okay, let's take the break,
all right, let's take our break.

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When we come back, Kyle Dodd, the ASU radio color analysts for their

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on the Ball. Hey, welcome
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Steve Rivera. He's jakinsaf Snow. On

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the phone. We have former ASU
guard Kyle Dodd, one of the guys

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that U of A fans didn't really
like. Did you like that that you

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were one of those guys that they
didn't like? Oh? Man, everybody

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loves me down there. I think
I think that's a false narrative. Man,

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I don't know, Kyle. I
enjoyed playing the villain role. You

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know, I've told you guys before. You know, sometimes it's the Pac

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twelve tournament and stuff. But you
know, we uh we had I enjoyed

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my games against you, of A. I never had much success, never

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had success down there, and uh
want only one once up here. So

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I don't really know why they hate
me so much, but it's been fun

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and I love the rivalry. Did
they still boo you when you walk into

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Michale now as a radio guy in
street clows and stuff? Yeah? Some

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people do you got you got to
still still some of the same people.

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It's funny now because like I kind
of make fun of myself now that I'm

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older, and it doesn't mean quite
as much to me anymore. So,

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like I'll tell you know, I'd
kind of like the movie eight mile eminem

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when he does the rap and he
tells everything that's wrong with him. I

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tell him first what's wrong with me? And then I'm like, Okay,

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now, what do you got to
say about it? I already know that

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I suck. I know I only
average four points the game. I know

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I was one and eight against you
guys? What what what do you done

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till everybody's wrong? That's good?
That's good. So so we talked about

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this off the year. So you're
you're not going to be here, but

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you were here for a number of
events. Uh, you think the comeback

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game here might be a little difficult
for a issue because of what happened last

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year? Yeah? I think so. I mean I think just in general,

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just it's so hard to win down
there, and what happened last year

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was such a insane moment in our
history at a issue. So I think

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that'll be a little more, a
little more juice than normal, and definitely

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a revenge game I think for for
you of a But you know, I

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think Arizona's got a lot there's a
lot more to play for at this point

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than we do. We're we're basically
trying to get seeding, you know,

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in the PAC twelve tournament, you're
trying to get seated in the NCAA tournament.

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So I think it's Arizona's gonna want
to get it. And I think

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a SU obviously just you know,
trying to you know, salvage a good

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cool moment in the season to maybe
try to steal another one. So Kyle,

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like you knows, as hard as
it was to say this at the

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time, you know, when they
got off to that four and oh start

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in the league and we were just
talking about you know, the league and

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that, you know, the USC
and UCLA were off to a terrible start,

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and I actually said it. It
hurt to say, but I said

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it, maybe a SU was good, right, and then then they go

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lose seven, seven out of eight
or six out of seven or something like

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that. What the hell happened?
Yeah, you know, it's it's a

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weird, weird deal. You know, I think college sports in general is

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just weird right now with with the
transferporter and n I L and and I

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think, you know, we had
so many guys that were learning to play

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together for the first time. They
just met each other, you know,

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six months ago, and there was
obviously up and downs in the non conference,

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and then it seemed like after Christmas
they really kind of found you know,

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figured it out and started playing really
well. And then they dropped a

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really bizarre game against UCLA and I
think we were up seventeen in the second

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half and ended up getting five technicals
all that, and that game kind of

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got away from us, and then
from that point on it just seemed like

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we've been kind of searching to get
it back. And you know, we

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we've played well the last two games
with one two in a row, and

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so hopefully that you know, heading
in the right direction. But yeah,

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after the start, you know,
we figured this might be might be a

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fun season after all and be in
the mix for the for the fact twelve

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And you know, I enjoyed the
first part of it, but the last

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couple of weeks have been a little
rough for a guy that's been in the

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rivalry for a long time. What
do you make of the rivalry or is

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there one? Yeah, I mean, obviously I think just a passion from

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the fans is what makes the rivalry. I mean, we have such great

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fans that they go at each other. And I mean, obviously the record

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in basketball, uh is one sided. And you know, so that's always

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you know, the fans on the
U of A side always got the upper

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hand on that. But yeah,
it's just when you get on the floor,

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it's just different. I mean,
I some of my best friends in

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the league when I played are you
know, played at U of A.

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And you know, I got you
know, I love Jason Gardner, one

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at one of the best human beings
in the league, and glad to see

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him every year on the bench.
And and you know some of those guys

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that we played against it you know, it was all love off the court.

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And actually a lot of them hung
out and played pick up stuff up

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in Phoenix in the summertime, so
it was, you know, all love

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off the court. But yeah,
when you step into that that arena,

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and you know, for us on
our side, and when you hear that

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those U of A chance, it's
like another a different feeling. And I'm

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sure for you guys when you hear
issue. So it's uh, it's been

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a really fun thing to be a
part of. And I play it up,

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I tell you, man, I
don't even believe half the stuff I

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say, so don't don't ever take
it too personals. So let me ask

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you, because we talked a while
back, a couple a few months ago,

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did you have an incident with Luke
or somebody. Yeah, so that's

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that's where the hatred comes from.
I we had the one time we beat

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you guys, I think we beat
you up here, and there was a

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weird deal in the scheduling, almost
kind of like this year. We played

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again like two weeks later down there, and we put it on you of

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a I think they were number two
in the country, you know, at

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our place. And then we came
down there and it was like twenty eight

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to four to start the game.
The place is going nuts, and I

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was just screaming and yelling at my
teammates, you know, everybody that watched

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me play. I was pretty fiery, and I was just saying like,

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let's go, you know, let's
go, come on, so just fight.

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And there was like a loose ball
right after the time out, and

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I remember diving like on the pile
late and then me and Luke got tangled

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or Luke got tangled up, and
you know, I just started with flailing

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my arms trying to I think I
went after Ricky Anderson. I went out

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and then and then from that point
on, I got booed every time I

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touched the ball for my rest of
my career. Uh. And it was

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it was fun, man, but
uh, you know, obviously, uh,

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I'm not winning a fight with louz
Waald on the street. So maybe

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it was that basketball type fight.
Let everybody get in the middle of it.

408
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.240
You know, Well, they had
to sort of be a badge of

409
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.400
honor for you because it meant that
they were one paying attention to you,

410
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.799
and two they felt like they needed
to, you know, rattle you a

411
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.119
little bit. So they're booing you
when you get the ball. That means

412
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.480
that means you made an impact.
Yeah, something like that. I think.

413
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:38.000
I think, just uh, you
know, uh, it's the UFA

414
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:42.079
fans are so great, excuse me, just so great and so passionate that

415
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:45.480
I love it and and like that's
why I play up to it now.

416
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.759
You know, I still joke around
with them and take a little That's why

417
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.759
I I took some shots at people
last night. I posted the video of

418
00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.000
the Cambridge shot because I know I'm
not going to be down there tomorrow to

419
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.720
take the grief. So I just
got it all in and uh, you

420
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.079
know, I got I got it, I got it out. Tomorrow was

421
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.720
my dad's eightieth birthday. I would
I would love to come down and see

422
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.799
everybody down there, but I got
a family comes first, So I'm gonna

423
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.519
be bummed amidst the rivalry. Well, that's good for you. Good for

424
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:14.079
the year. You got my vote, You got my vote. Let me

425
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.240
ask you. I asked coach Montgomery
this a while back in a story I

426
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:23.480
was doing, what makes what makes
Michale Center so tough to play? And

427
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:29.880
I'll give you his response. Yeah, I mean I think just obviously the

428
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:33.720
buildings poll, it doesn't matter building
poll for the Red and Blue scrimmage or

429
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.960
whatever you guys call it. I
mean that place has just always got energy.

430
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.039
You got a good combination of the
college basketball atmosphere with the students and

431
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.119
the band and whatnot, and then
you got really dedicated like older fan base.

432
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.559
I mean some I tell people all
the time, some of the craziest

433
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.920
stuff that has been yelled in my
direction, and Tucson was from like an

434
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.759
eighty five year old life, and
I'm like, I kind of just like

435
00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.079
I want to go up and give
her a high five and a hug because

436
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.000
I mean, I'm like, that
is awesome that that lady cares that much.

437
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.599
And and I think that's what's great
about McHale Center is it's just you

438
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.799
walk in that place and uh,
it's just it's just the energy and a

439
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.960
you know, it's it's a way
of life down there. Really, Kyle,

440
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:18.960
I've never let my granddaughter you know
what real quick. So Montgomery said,

441
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.680
you know, Steve, they have
some pretty good players. That's why

442
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.480
it's so tough to play down there. Yeah, that that also helps you

443
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.359
win a lot of basketball games.
And uh, you know, when you're

444
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.559
winning a lot of basketball games,
that brings the crowds out. And I

445
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:38.200
think Tucson would support Arizona basketball even
in a bad year. But I think

446
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:44.039
just the success and the history of
U of A basketball, I think is

447
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:45.720
what brings them out every year.
And you know, I don't think that's

448
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:51.240
going away anytime soon. I tell
people my biggest my biggest thing that I

449
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:55.400
really think where as you missed the
boat was the year you know when Lout

450
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.200
left and Harden came and we had
won five in a row. Over over

451
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:00.759
U of A. And I just
thought, okay, maybe here's where we

452
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.759
even these things out a little bit. But you know, Sean Miller came

453
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.519
in and reloaded, and then now
Tommy's doing his thing, and and I

454
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.000
don't think U of A is going
anywhere. I think they're you know,

455
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.599
going to be in the top fifteen, top twenty, you know, every

456
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.319
year from here until you know,
we keep doing this. We're talking to

457
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.480
Kyle Dodd, color color analysts for
as U Radio. Former player, former

458
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.119
I shouldn't say former villain because I
think you still are right down here.

459
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.240
But so tell us a little bit
about what you know, what we're seeing,

460
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.720
What are we going to see tomorrow? You know, after this,

461
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.720
you know, losing streak. They've
won a couple of games, including a

462
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.599
game at Utah, which is not
an easy thing to do. We saw

463
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.640
that, you know, with Arizona
going three overtimes with them, What are

464
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.759
they doing now? Yeah, I
mean it's a scrappy bunch. I mean

465
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:51.880
athletic, we really get after the
basketball, you know, Bobby Hurley,

466
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.640
you know, like them or or
hate them. For U of A fans,

467
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.759
you have to admit these teams always
play their tail off, they would

468
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.559
run through a wall form. So
we'll play hard. We don't shoot it

469
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.599
very well, which I think has
hurt us this year. But when we

470
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.799
do get out and pressure defense and
we can generate turnovers, we can get

471
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.279
out on the break and we're pretty
good athletically. So I think that's probably

472
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.279
a key for areas on the state
tomorrow is try to generate some turnovers.

473
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.559
I mean, if you're if you're
taking it out of the net and you're

474
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:22.920
having to get in a half court
game, I don't I don't think it's

475
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.039
gonna end up very well for us. And I looked at you know,

476
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.279
I've been telling people all week that
I visited with about U of A.

477
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.119
I mean, I look at U
of as as a probably the one of

478
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.400
the most complete basketball teams, if
not the most complete basketball team in the

479
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.119
country. They have a little bit
of everything. They have great size,

480
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.160
they have the ability to shoot the
basketball, they can play and transition,

481
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.839
they can slash, they can execute. The real struggle for them when they've

482
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.559
lost some games is guarding the three
point line. Look, you know,

483
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.240
for you for years, for the
U of A's sake, we don't shoot

484
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.039
it really well from the three point
line. So it'd be great if we

485
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.400
got hot tomorrow and kept us in
the game. But you know, we'll

486
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.319
see I think, you know it'll
it'll be a battle. Hopefully we can

487
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.119
stay in the game and make it
a fun one. So crack this big

488
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.480
mystery for us. You're probably close
to the guy Bobby Hurley. Uh,

489
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.119
it sounds like a very good guy. He is you you've a fans just

490
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.440
just don't like him, just don't
like him. Tell us who he really

491
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.319
is, you know. Obviously,
I think the the fact that he went

492
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.200
to Duke is another reason why,
you know, like obviously a su that's

493
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.799
that's double so yes. But honestly, Bobby and all all that you see

494
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.200
on the sideline and the energy and
the craziness and and Bobby off the court

495
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:41.559
is genuinely like a wonderful human being, like very generous, does some really

496
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.759
cool stuff. I have so many
cool stories, you know, on the

497
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.559
road and just you know, gracious
with this time and people in the public

498
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.559
and people out to dinner and and
stuff like that. I mean, there

499
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.559
was a story and uh, I
think we were traveling to shoot around at

500
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:57.799
Washington and we saw a guy on
the bus. But we were on the

501
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.839
bus. We saw on the side
of the street that had a duke Bobby

502
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.960
Hurley jersey on and he stopped the
bus and we're like, what is going

503
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.880
on. He ran across the street
and started talking to the guy. I

504
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.880
think he gave him. I don't
know what he gave and it was Martie

505
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.519
or something, shook his hand.
Nobody knows the story. But this guy

506
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:17.279
was like, I don't know if
he was homeless or what, but he

507
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.920
you know, it's kind of rough
and and this guy was like ecstatic and

508
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.039
he's shaking his friend trying to tell
his friend I just met Bobby Hurley.

509
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.920
The guy probably didn't believe him,
but like just little stuff like that.

510
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:34.480
He constantly is doing really really cool
things. And I mean, I really

511
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.119
love the guy. I think he's
perfect for ASU. I don't think we

512
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.680
can do any better for a coach. Well, you just flipped my opinion

513
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.640
of him on that one. That's
really cool, you know that, you

514
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.319
know, those are the things that
you know, we don't get reported,

515
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.720
we don't see, we don't know, you know, And I know.

516
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.480
I mean I I look the guys
who sit behind me at the stat table.

517
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:59.160
There are relentless on the assistant coaches, and they're probably more relentless or

518
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:04.119
not head coaches, and they are
more relentless on the ASU coach, whoever

519
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.359
it is, whoever it's been over
the years, more than anybody. But

520
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.839
last year, did you see the
video when he he was very happy,

521
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:15.160
arms up and then he came back
to give the guys grief because given,

522
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.119
yeah, yeah, like I said, we don't have a lot of success

523
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.279
down there, and you don't know
what you're gonna win the next time down

524
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.559
there, so you might as well
soak it up. And the funny thing

525
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.720
is I told people, I thought
you of a fans that was as cool

526
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.640
as I've ever experienced. Like they
after the game, like very great,

527
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.000
like they We saw so many people
on the way out, and you know,

528
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.240
normally when we actually won down there, it's just like, yeah,

529
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.160
you guys still suck. We still
beat you one hundred more times than you

530
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.000
beat you know, blah blah blah. But everybody on the way out of

531
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:49.440
that game, and we even stopped
to eat and saw some people and everybody

532
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.000
was like, you know what,
tip tip a hat. It was a

533
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.000
great college basketball game and water shot. I mean it was just crazy,

534
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.599
and it was just very you know, very gracious and defeat. I think

535
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.240
people just I think every he was
in shocked. They were like, I

536
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.519
don't think we really believed. I
don't even think we believed that we won.

537
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.079
Yeah, well it must have helped
you get to the NCAA tournament.

538
00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:13.159
Yeah, beat Nevada and then played
TCU very tough. Yeah, I was

539
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.519
a I think that was a season
changer because we were right there on the

540
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.599
bubble and you know, to get
a win and against your rival and Tucson

541
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.400
that kind of got us back on
track. Is is there any thought that

542
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:23.480
they can still get in? I
mean, are they? Are they?

543
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:28.719
Is it? Did that losing streak
just kind of ended for them? Yeah?

544
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.320
I mean our our net ranking and
and that stuff is not good.

545
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.000
I mean it would take a you
know, five to six game here,

546
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.400
you know, games in a row
winning streak or something like that probably get

547
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:44.199
us back in the conversation. I
mean, obviously a quad one win like

548
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.000
tomorrow would be you know, a
good resume builder. But again, you

549
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.119
know, I just think it's gonna
be so tough to go down and get

550
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.719
a win. But yeah, I
mean it's I think Ideally, if I

551
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.239
as you could find a way to
slip into the top four in the PAC

552
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.440
twelve tournament and get a buy that
first day and just give yourself a chance.

553
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:01.320
You only have to at that point, you only have to win three

554
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:06.559
games in three days. Obviously,
I say that like we've had a lot

555
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.239
of success in the PAC twelve turn
at which we haven't. But I mean

556
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.280
it's, you know, at least
you give yourself a chance. But I

557
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.880
think it's it'd be a long shot
for them to get back to the dance.

558
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.719
Well, Kyle, thanks a bunch
for joining us again. Yeah,

559
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.440
give your dad a big hug from
these guys from Tucson tomorrow. Awesome.

560
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.320
And I'll see you guys in Vegas, right you will, Yes, you

561
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.480
absolutely will see you in Tempe.
And I'll see you in Tempe. Okay,

562
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.880
absolutely, Yeah, thanks guys anytime. Thanks Thanks Kyle. Don not

563
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.039
so bad, see not so bad. Yeah, he's been great, you

564
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:38.159
know with us, you know,
you know, and I told you and

565
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.159
I see him, Well, I
won't see him tomorrow, but you know

566
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.280
when I saw him after he was
on the show last year, before the

567
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.119
game, and I saw him at
the game. You know, we were

568
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.400
like, buddy, so very cool. I appreciate him coming on right.

569
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:51.679
Okay, good good, good job. Jay. Let's go take a break

570
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:52.719
and come back and talk more.
All right, We'll be right back.

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to talk about the blue Blood conversation. We've had and argued about for a

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in our ground. Have you after
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612
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.320
mind at all? Well, I
mean, I'm pretty much in agreement with

613
00:38:53.599 --> 00:39:01.360
with where they put Arizona. They
what we're looking at is the December is

614
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:07.599
the December article that again Steve mentioned
that he sent it to me a while

615
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:09.280
back and I never did look at
it. Then it showed up on my

616
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:16.920
on my Twitter Twitter feed, uh, actually last night, and it's it's

617
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:22.440
an article where they really set a
bunch of tears for basketball. But the

618
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.519
ones of the matter to us is, you know, is there zone a

619
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.880
blue blood or not? I mean
we've had that argument a bunch of times,

620
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:36.880
I know Steve and I have,
and I've kind of that kind I

621
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.800
said that they are. But you
know, in this article, it it

622
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:45.280
uh. I like where I like
where they where they put Arizona. I

623
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.079
feel that it's uh, it's legit. They don't have them as a blue

624
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.679
blood. They have them sort of
on the fringe, on the fringe,

625
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:55.480
on the cusp, uh, right
on the right, on the edge of

626
00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.239
being a blue blood. And you
know, the thing that I guess,

627
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.239
you know, thinking back to my
argument about it, was that I felt

628
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:13.280
like Arizona, if you're going to
consider it, say Michigan, Villanova,

629
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.800
a few of those schools of blue
blood. Then Arizona should be considered a

630
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:21.679
blue blood as well, and these
guys kind of drew the line above that

631
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.320
and I and I think that I
think that's very legit. Right right,

632
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.920
Well, let me say this because
as I recall, and I said,

633
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.599
they were not a blue blood program. Uh, they were again on the

634
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:36.440
fringe. But in the list that
you had compiled back in the day,

635
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.360
you had a list like of twelve
thirteen, and that's where the pictue was

636
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:44.119
right because they are in that because
because to me, again it was like

637
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.599
if some of these other schools,
like to me, I thought Indiana should

638
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:50.599
be considered a blue blood, all
right, but these guys made a good

639
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:54.159
point in that Indiana hasn't done anything
in a long long time. I mean,

640
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.119
like Arizona has won a national championship
in a long time, but they've

641
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.840
been to the final four four times, and they sort of they sort of

642
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:09.119
bracketed the consideration from about nineteen eighty
five forward. So Arizona's been four final

643
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:14.519
fours in there, so just you
know, to give an to give listeners

644
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.480
an idea of where they drew the
line. And they have six blue bloods

645
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:22.079
and nobody's arguing with these six it's
Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina,

646
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.559
Ucla, and Yukon. You know
they said, well Ucla, you

647
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.880
know, well, they won a
national championship in the nineties, and that's

648
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.880
when Arizona won their national championship.
Then you think about the ten that they

649
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.559
had way back when, they're definitely
a blue blood and even though you know

650
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:37.599
more recently they haven't. You know, well, they were in a final

651
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.440
four a few years ago. So
those six, I'm legit, it's legit.

652
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.599
I agree with those six. And
then the next tier we got five

653
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.800
teams, and it was where my
argument was that I thought some of these

654
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.119
five teams could be considered blue blood
and if they were, then Arizona should

655
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:57.800
be in there, and I would
and I would include I would include Indiana.

656
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:02.400
Uh, and I would include dude
Villanova now because they've done so much

657
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.360
in the age for a long time. No, no, no period.

658
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.960
That's how you that's how you get
established time ago. Right, You're you're

659
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:12.679
an old man because you're an old
man, not because you just showed up

660
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.239
on the scene. No, And
that's why Villanova's may or may not be.

661
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.960
But how how much emphasis do you
put in last twenty years. And

662
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.360
part of it is that that since
Jay since Jay Wright left, they haven't

663
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.800
been very good, right, So
that's a point that they made in there.

664
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.880
So they said they're kind of but
they're not. So the next tier

665
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.800
with five teams Arizona, Indiana,
Louisville, Michigan State, and Villanova,

666
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.559
I'm comfortable with Arizona being bunched with
those with those four teams, and they

667
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.760
and they included the Zags and then
they did it well. They did Tier

668
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.000
two A and the two B,
and they were the only one in the

669
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.119
Gonzaga was the only one in the
B And the reason they're not in the

670
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:51.960
A is because they have not won
a national Say they have won one,

671
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.320
then all the teams in the in
the Arizona tier have won at least one

672
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.199
national championship. And they made the
point that Arizona's only one one. Lois

673
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.559
has won a couple. Indiana,
I think it's won three, Michigan States

674
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.039
won a couple of Villanova's won a
couple. So they kind of like Arizona's

675
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.039
almost on the edge of falling out
of that. So if you're if you're

676
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:14.679
a Tier three team, now you're
thinking the Zags are to B and they

677
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:19.239
haven't won a title. And the
Tier three group they've won titles a bunch

678
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.920
of them. Yeah, I think, uh, I think most of them.

679
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.719
Arkansas, yes, Cincinnati of course
back in the day, George,

680
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.079
Yes, all these all these,
all these programs. Marquette are pretty one.

681
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.920
One in the seventies, Michigan one
one with the you know uh not

682
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:37.400
they it wasn't the Fab five,
but they were Roomy and Robinson in that

683
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.119
group. But you know, Oregon
hasn't won one, but they've been in

684
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:45.000
the final four. The Tier three
group has mostly had that had at least

685
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:51.800
a final form in some multiples.
But you know, Steve, I'll just

686
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.840
say I'm comfortable with Arizona is in
this and I'm willing to say, you

687
00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.519
know, right here or not a
blue blood if the blue blood is going

688
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.599
to be drawn where it is with
those six teams. Yeah, yeah,

689
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.000
I think that was the issue with
us. You put them in a category

690
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.400
of twelve to fifteen, and I
know, either you're pregnant or you're not

691
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:14.559
pregnant. Right they belong or they
don't belong to and right now they're not

692
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.840
pregnant. I think in time,
in time, they could be. Yeah,

693
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:22.440
I mean it depends. There's no
question that the program is very successful,

694
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:24.800
right, but you could the Tier
threes and Tier fours are they're pretty

695
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:30.519
they're pretty successful too. But I
think I think you can put Arizona above

696
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:34.280
those guys. And you know,
in Tier three, well, let me

697
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.639
run those down, you know,
real fast, because there's a whole bunch

698
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.519
of the sty Arkansas, Cincinnati,
Georgetown, Illinois, Maryland, Marquette,

699
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.360
Memphis, Michigan, Ohio State,
Oregon, Produce, Syracuse, Tennessee,

700
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.519
Texas, and George and Virginia.
You know, I think I think Arizona

701
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.039
is above all of those. You
know, I think you make the argument,

702
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:53.079
you know, with the four final
fours in the whole bit and just

703
00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:00.239
their status in you know, they
still you know, they still get a

704
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.239
lot of attention. They're still you
know, the game day will come here

705
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.079
and all that kind of stuff.
So I think, uh, I think

706
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.639
I like this list And it was
put together by a bunch of the staff

707
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.400
at the Athletic. Dana O'Neill was
in on that. The one thing about

708
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.119
the staff, and they're very good
what they do, very no question about

709
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.960
that. Dana's a great writer.
They're relatively young. They're relatively young,

710
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:28.199
so they're not They're not the plash
Keys of the world or the Bob Ryan's,

711
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.119
you know where they have that experience. So I'm wondering if the older

712
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:36.639
dudes would have a different lineup,
a different group of blue bloods, because

713
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.039
I'm sure they would have put Indiana
in there. Yeah. I think I

714
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.079
think somebody like you or me probably
would have said, how could you not?

715
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.519
Indiana has to be in that group, right, and maybe nobody else

716
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.880
from that from that right here too, just Indiana. Yeah, and he

717
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:52.760
those Hey, well I talked to
you about this last year when they played

718
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:59.079
in Arizona in in in Vegas and
they in now introducing Indiana and they rolled

719
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:00.800
off all the combats been blah blah
blah. And now I'll introduce you to

720
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.599
Arizona, a national championship, a
few final fours, and a back twelve

721
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:14.320
title. Let's start the game.
So there's took five minutes. Yeah,

722
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:15.840
I said, Jay, this,
you need to listen to this. Yeah.

723
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.159
No, I no, And I
and I think I said all along

724
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:24.199
that I thought Indiana was more deserving
of blue blood status than Arizona for sure.

725
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:29.599
I mean they've got the multiple national
championships, but they've done less.

726
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.760
They've done less in the last twenty
years in Arizona. Half true, you

727
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.000
know, so that so that we
kind of think it's that recentcy biased type

728
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.519
of things. Of course it is. Yeah, but I did like the

729
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.519
list, so I'm good. I'm
good with that, Steve. I'm not

730
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.480
good good that I was losing sleep
over it anyways, but I think our

731
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.960
argument is settled, right, Yes, you like those six and then Arizona

732
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:53.960
in the next group. Okay,
all right, I won't call you a

733
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:59.280
curmudgeon for that. I'll call you
that for others. Okay, I wait

734
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:04.480
to do that. Okay, No, cool? Anything else anybody want to

735
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.719
call? We got a little time
five to two, four one, six,

736
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.800
seventy four forty Glad to hear from
you about regarding whatever whatever you want.

737
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.880
There was also something else, uh
you have the Caitlin thing? Anything

738
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.239
else going on? I wanted to
talk about. Uh No, I don't

739
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.599
think so. I know back twelve, we know that that's coming up and

740
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.199
breaking news. Yeah I got some
Yeah, I got some good news,

741
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:32.199
good baking news. But you know, oh, isn't like the top sixteen

742
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.639
come out on tomorrow, Tomorrow,
tomorrow. Yeah, because I'm one of

743
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.239
the media guys doing the thing next
week for the big media media thing.

744
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.199
That's why I'm buying on a Saturday. It's I don't know, it's seventeenth,

745
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:51.039
ten thirty, and then we're getting
out a call with the commissioner at

746
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.199
eleven forty five just to see what
their thoughts are. Right, But it's

747
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:55.880
ten thirty tomorrow, Okay, the
top stright, So we'll get we'll get

748
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.159
a look at the NCAA tournament committees, uh, first iteration of the top

749
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:06.039
four seeds in each region. We'll
see where we'll see if they believe Arizona's

750
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.960
the number one. Yeah, I
think don't you are right now today,

751
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.960
just with so many losses you know
around the you know, around the you

752
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:21.760
know three through you know twelve grouping, you know that, and Arizona's on

753
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:23.760
you know, they're on a nice
little winning streak, coming off a couple

754
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:28.239
of impressive wins on the road.
They've got three more home games in a

755
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.840
row that you would think you would
expect, all the Washington State one again

756
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.559
last night. Yeah. Right,
they're pretty good. I mean they're a

757
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:39.199
sneaky good. You know they're co
right, you know you look good,

758
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:44.119
you play good? Right? The
coach looks like he drives the bus.

759
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.639
See, And that's that's what was
your picky percent just your football. That

760
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.360
is exactly your problem. I'm not
going to tell you the problem, because

761
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.920
you know what's your problem. You
said, God, he walks up,

762
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.280
he's got to sleeves, push stuff. He looks he looks like the bus

763
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.719
driver man. And you how you
know what does he what does he look

764
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.360
like as a coach in practice?
And how do you get these guys to

765
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.519
play? But they're good. The
thing about is I don't want you to

766
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:15.079
change your perception of because I wouldn't
win otherwise, because that's what that's what

767
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.000
you look. Oh God, she's
she's not a pretty girl, but Jay,

768
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.480
she can cook and do all these
things, and then she's a great

769
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.639
girl. Well you know she's not
a bus girl, she's not an airplane

770
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:30.440
girl. That's good, that's I
mean, you do. They're half a

771
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.519
game behind Arizona. Yeah, you
know in the league. They were impressive

772
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.159
up in Pullman too, and they're
nineteen and six. There's one as nineteen

773
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.559
and five coaches. He's got a
pretty good history of success before he got

774
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.199
there. And let me tell you, Jay, Well, I don't need

775
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.400
to tell you this. If you
win in Pullman, you're a pretty good

776
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.000
coach. Yeah. That's hard to
do. It's hard to do, you

777
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:52.800
know. Yeah. I mean Calvin
Sampson did a nice job over there,

778
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:59.639
so no and so and Tony Bennett. Right, yeah, it could.

779
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.800
It's a tough thing to do.
I would venture to guess that after this

780
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.159
season he's no longer the coach.
He's going somewhere else, going somewhere else.

781
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.199
I mean, in its last six
games, Washington State has beaten Utah,

782
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:16.280
Colorado at Washington, at Oregon State
at Oregon, at home against Cal

783
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.639
last night they beat him by nineteen. They've got Stanford, and they lost

784
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.599
some guys from last year. Yeah. Yeah, they won other schools and

785
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.320
the one loss and they won three
three games before that, and the one

786
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:32.119
loss in there is an inexplicable overtime
loss the Cal of all teams not getting

787
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.480
up for a game, and the
Arizona was not the only one they won.

788
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.599
They won up for nine of their
last ten and the loss in there

789
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.559
they lost in overtime. You know, get ready, they're coming down here

790
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.199
next week next Thursday night, So
you know that's gonna be a that's gonna

791
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:49.440
be a maybe. Maybe they're just
a good team. You know, sometimes

792
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.039
people see these stories and they're like, oh, when are they going to

793
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.440
fall off? But maybe maybe they're
just good. You're exactly right, exactly

794
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:59.920
right, you're getting smarter spending time
with us, So I think it's working.

795
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.960
I'll tell you you don't tell your
parents. Don't tell your parents were

796
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.400
even hanging out. You need to
get away from those guys I called an

797
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:14.280
old guy on Twitter today. No, I didn't for on the ball thing.

798
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.000
Yeah, well let me check.
Okay, we gotta go. All

799
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:19.960
right, let's sit the road.
We're gonna come back and uh we'll have

800
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:21.960
breaking news right here at the top
of the hour with said