WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:07.639 Hello, and welcome back to Out of this World and based lit Analyzer is 2 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:11.839 back with me. We're going to be doing Pan Part two and we have 3 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:19.960 a fantastic show for you tonight. Last week we were talking all about Peter 4 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:28.800 Pan and the god Pan and Dionysus and Bacchus and mystery schools and how those 5 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:37.640 went into theater and the Greek mystery plays and how that all became popular culture 6 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:44.039 today, movies, plays, songs. All of that stuff was initiatory practices 7 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:53.920 of the ancient world into cults and learning how to invoke gods into yourself and 8 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.920 do things in your god form. So that's what we're going to learn about 9 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:03.239 tonight. And last time we defined Pan and we were talking about how Pan 10 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:10.640 means all universal. It is the home. So when you say own money, 11 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:15.359 pop me home, that's a Pan and any region withdrawn and without the 12 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:21.040 range of waking consciousness. And then we talked about notings, which we're going 13 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:26.560 to talk about right now with the Great God Pan book by Arthur Makin. 14 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.959 And another word I wanted to bring up out of the glossary of this book 15 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:37.959 about the hidden God Pan is called the Night of Pan or n O x 16 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:42.680 so in the Lima. This is like the when you lose your ego, 17 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:49.760 right, It's called the Night of Pan and it's part of being reborn by 18 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.799 the Goddess of Babylon. There you go, a life of Alistra Crawley. 19 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.599 Doesn't he talk about that in there? Yes? He does, yes, 20 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.560 Yeah, the Oteo rituals and you know, I'm sorry to cut you off 21 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.159 here. Yeah, it was interesting this, you know, because I know 22 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:07.159 we're going to get into the Makin's the great God Pan here And this was 23 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.719 a crazy book. It was so cral. Oh man, it's a crazy 24 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:14.680 book. I mean, there's it's like you said, it's it's like it's 25 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.080 like a detective story slash poet. It reminded me of Poe's Murders in the 26 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:23.159 Room Morgue, which is like the first detective story and the way that the 27 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.800 narrative is set up. But but the revelation of Pan, of seeing Pan, 28 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:30.919 you know, in this sort of hell night that leaves these people with 29 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:36.879 this horror struck look on their faces pretty stark. It's pretty crazy book. 30 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:42.960 It's very much like a Rosemary's Baby of Korean era, right, very much. 31 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.199 Yeah, we'll get into that real fast. But Okay, So the 32 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.759 N O X, which the ox is part of the mark of the Beast 33 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:54.680 in Thalima, right, it's the phallus and the lady part and the X 34 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:58.639 and the O fused together is what they call the mark of the Beast. 35 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:04.400 The beast is can or an amalgam of a lot of different things. It's 36 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:08.960 the alchemical Bapham, which looks a lot like Pan. Pan also is related 37 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:15.080 to the Bapham through the Goat of Mendies, the cult of Mendies in Egypt, 38 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:22.000 and he is related to the god Men of Egypt. And you can 39 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:32.240 always identify men by his uh hoots on parts. Right, Yeah, it's 40 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:40.360 very easy. You see what's going on with men. But so in this 41 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:46.240 night of Pan they call it in Felima, and the Otos is a mystical 42 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.680 state that represents the state of ego death and the process of spiritual attainment. 43 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:58.479 Right. And then in the AA they talk about, you know, getting 44 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.400 in touch with your whole in Guardian Angel and you have to cross the Abyss 45 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:06.919 and you meet drowns on and to escape the Abyss you have to pour out 46 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:13.520 your blood in the cup of Babylon and be reborn again from Babylon and Pan. 47 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:21.079 So now that your initiate in these Crowlean thelemic orders, you are a 48 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:27.160 child of Pan. Right, Yeah, there's there are two parts in this 49 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.680 book. This is just again this is Lawrence Sutton's Life of Alister Crowley. 50 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.399 I did a two parts stream on this book. There are two parts that 51 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:39.879 are pretty brief that talk about Pan. And one of course is of course, 52 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.639 is talking about the hymn to Pan, which is Rabbit Crowley's as Crowley's 53 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:53.040 eulogy at his funeral and in Hastings. But just briefly, it's talking about 54 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:58.360 about the AA, the what's the AA, the argentium astrom right, this 55 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:02.399 the silver silver serpent, yeah, which is in the remember that was in 56 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:06.199 the ninth Gate also remember yeah, yeah, when she had that tattoo. 57 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:12.000 It talks about what it's talking about the rights. This is about Victor Neuberg. 58 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.879 This is when Crowley like went to the desert with Victor Neuberg and horrify 59 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.399 him. It says Norberg, in turn, was assigned the draining task, 60 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:26.199 an act of magical equal equilibration of hurling himself into physical movements such as to 61 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:29.160 dance down the gods, which is similar to what you're talking about here, 62 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:33.279 there was tragically a lasting cost to pay, which one may attribute to the 63 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:38.160 magical efficacy of the rights or to the strength of Neuberg's belief in them as 64 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.839 one likes. According to Neuburg, during one performance of the Right of Luna's 65 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:46.360 is the Right of Luna, Crowley forgetfully, forgetfully failed to pronounce the words 66 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.800 to release Nouberg from his possession by the lunar planetary spirit, and Nouberg tried 67 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:56.199 to remedy the damage by later pronouncing the words himself, but to no avail. 68 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:58.879 This is when he drove the guy crazy in the desert. And that's 69 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.160 a really sad story too. In reliance, Yeah, like he did to 70 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.560 that boy. Yes, And and it talks about the also the rights of 71 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:12.560 a Lusis, which was flashed out in August and September nineteen ten. AA 72 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.560 membership was expanded with this, And then this is leading into in the rights 73 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.879 of pan The cup of Libation was passed exclusively amongst the participant A members on 74 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.560 stage. It's possible but not certain, that it contained peyote. And then 75 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:31.399 it goes on to talk about Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, and then let's 76 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:38.360 see on pitch two thirty four. Here he talks about Oto and the two 77 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.120 most memorable works of the summer where the hymn depand and the gnostic mass that 78 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:46.319 he created. So it is the he composed this is his own poems to 79 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.680 Pan tied him with Oto when he was creating this gnostic mass, which is 80 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:57.480 tied him with the what was the one that he did at at Lochness, 81 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:04.319 the the rights that he couldn't he stopped in the middle of and that so 82 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:10.959 it was remember he did he did this mass in the middle of uh Lock 83 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.639 his hall on Lockness, which burned just a few years ago. And then 84 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.879 they said, or somebody bought that manner like Jimmy Yeah, it was Jimmy 85 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:24.360 Page bought it. Jimmy Page bought that. And he bought the Equinox bookstore 86 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.800 and all of Crowley's esoteric all of his as the largest book collection of Crowley's. 87 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.279 He also owned Crowley's one of his estates on the Thames outside of London. 88 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.160 But but the house burned a few years ago, and then of course 89 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:43.360 they said Lockness was created. The Lockness monster was a product of his of 90 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:48.480 one of his gnostic masses. Yeah, I've heard that before. So and 91 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:55.519 you mentioned Pompey last time, and I found this picture of Pan from Pompey. 92 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.560 Can you see that? Yeah, pretty graphic him and a goat, 93 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:07.079 yes, and that and actually that ties in to Ovid, which because the 94 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.240 book The Great God Pan and and also what you were just talking about with 95 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:18.839 the oto rights tie takes its cue from Ovid's Metamorphosis, so in book one 96 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.560 because because oh my god, there's so much with this. So so the 97 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:33.200 oto Oteo rights and the Great God Pan led me to the poem by Elizabeth 98 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.639 Barrett Browning which was about which is about Pan walking along the banks of the 99 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:46.440 river and then picking the reads and and then that is from Ovid's Metamorphosis, 100 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:52.399 and it's it's the hit. It's the it's the myth where Pan is walking 101 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:58.120 along and sees Syrinx and attempts to r ape her, and then she turns 102 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.919 into a read right in the river. So then that's where he gets his 103 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.919 pan pipes. So so when he plays the pan pipes, it's supposed to 104 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:13.279 be a recreation of the myth of his act of rape of Syrinx, and 105 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.799 so did he kill her? Then in the well here she was a read. 106 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.039 Did he chop her down and make pipes out of her? Well, 107 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:24.720 here's what it says. So it says, it's I'll try to I'll try 108 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:26.200 to paraphrase, because it's not that long, but I'll try to paraphrase this 109 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:31.519 this part, it says Mercury told this story. This is in book one 110 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.440 of Ovid. It says, in the chill mountains of Arcadia E there lived 111 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.039 a nymph, the most famous of all the wood nymphs of Nana Chris. 112 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:43.039 The other nymphs called her Syrinx. Many a times she had eluded the pursuit 113 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.480 of satyrs and other spirits who haunt the shady woodlands of the fertile fields. 114 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.159 She was a follower of the Ortygian Goddess, imitating her in her pastimes and 115 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.200 in her virtue too. When she had her garments caught up out of the 116 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.039 way for hunting, as Diana wears hers, she could easily have been mistaken 117 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.039 for Leto's daughter, save that her bow was of horn, dianas of gold. 118 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.879 And even in spite of this, she used to be taken for the 119 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.000 goddess. As she was returning from Mount Lysias Pan caught sight of her, 120 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:13.360 Pan, who wears on his head a wreath of sharp leaved pine, and 121 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.759 he spoke these words. Mercury still had to tell what Pan said to the 122 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:22.639 nymph. And now she, scorning his prayers, ran off through the pathless 123 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.279 forest till she came to the still waters of sandy laid on. When the 124 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.799 river halted her flight, she prayed her sisters of the stream to transform her. 125 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.720 And when Pan thought that he had at last caught hold of searings, 126 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.919 he found that instead of the nymph's body, he held a handful of marsh 127 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.200 reads. As he stood sighing, the wind blew through the reeds and produced 128 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.240 a thin, plaintive sound. The god was enchanted by this new device, 129 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:48.399 and by the sweetness of the music. You and I shall always talk together, 130 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.480 so he cried. And then he took reads of unequal length and fastened 131 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.639 them together with wax. These preserved the girl's name. So that's how he 132 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:00.559 gets his pan pipe, by the attempted rope of this nymph. Yeah, 133 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:05.480 and who transforms. Oftentimes in the myths, people will transform into various natural 134 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.519 objects of trees or whatever to escape, you know, a body harm or 135 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:15.120 bodily justice. And then so Pan recreates his you know, with playing the 136 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.600 music, playing her as the music. Yeah, I was just gonna say, 137 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:24.600 that's not the only story in Greek mythology where like you said, they're 138 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.559 trying to get away from the rape of the gods, like especially Zeus, 139 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:35.000 right, and they turn into a bowl or something else, or even Medusa, 140 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.480 you know, the snakeheaded lady. She was just trying to avoid some 141 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:43.399 non consensual intimacy, right, right, and that's how she got her snakeheads. 142 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.720 So yeah, the pantheon is full of perverts, right, sure, 143 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.600 for sure. Yeah, And so we're talking about Pan. He is the 144 00:11:52.519 --> 00:12:01.960 taker of innocence literally, right. He represents virility for hundity in transformation. 145 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:09.159 They call him both the giver and taker of life, so he can be 146 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:18.360 a like, you know, a representation of abundant nature or nature that destroys 147 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:24.360 like a storm, a flood or whatever. He's all of it. He's 148 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.039 all, yes, he's all. And that's that's mentioned that's mentioned in the 149 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.519 Great God Pan in the book as well. There's a part of him being 150 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.480 the giver and the taker, and that's of course we're tie in with the 151 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.559 Oto ritual right with the Yoni and the and the Krawley and stuff. Yes, 152 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.200 exactly, Yoni. Good word, Okay, so let's get right into 153 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:48.600 it. The Great God Pan This was written in eighteen ninety and I it 154 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:58.120 was kind of fun because it's like it's written in the style of you know, 155 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:05.639 antique Blair Witch project or something where its found manuscripts and diaries and so 156 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.960 found footage and plus a little narration mixed together. But you really have to 157 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.279 read closely and put all the clues together to figure out who is what and 158 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.080 what's going on. Yeah, you do, especially with like the Latin epigraphs 159 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:22.240 that are sort of sprinkled throughout. And then you realize that by wanting to 160 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.840 trans because they give you no translation, so by the act of translating it 161 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.360 yourself, then you realize that you're tied into the narrative and into the detection 162 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.600 story. Good point. I did go and translate it myself. I put 163 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:41.320 all those Latin words in Google and yeah, he got it. So Mockin 164 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:46.600 the author of this, Arthur Mockin. HP Lovecraft admired him. Dar Alan 165 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.200 Poe. He was good friends with A. E. Waite of the famous 166 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.679 Golden Dawn and the Tarot Deck. He did not join the Golden Dawn, 167 00:13:54.799 --> 00:14:00.679 however, and this book is more of a critique. Actually, I'm like 168 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:05.720 the Libertine writers like Oscar Wilde and well like that. Yeah, so he 169 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.519 would be a contemporary of wild for sure. I think he, Yeah, 170 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:15.000 I think he. It's there's something that's inherent in a lot of these Nights, 171 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.840 especially in the Night late nineteenth century writers, where they have a Poe 172 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.320 sort of cadence to the way that they write. I mean, Poe died 173 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.399 in eighteen forty nine, but you can see that even Poe takes his sort 174 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.200 of cadence from like he's trying to write formally, but he he'll reuse diction, 175 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.919 you know, he'll he'll reuse specific terms throughout stories. But but I 176 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.240 see a lot of there's some of William Wilson in this as well, which 177 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.120 William Wilson is post short story about a doppel a guy follows a guy around 178 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.279 a city and like and literally meets himself in the city, and and there's 179 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:54.639 a lot of the the uh, there's a lot of I don't know, 180 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:01.320 phenomenological and phantasmagorical images in this that are straight out of it even the way 181 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.080 that he, you know, the nineteenth century, you would write MS for 182 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:09.360 manuscript I found, I found the MS. Right yeah, yeah, yes, 183 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.000 totally. So in this we're going to see some platonic ideas of the 184 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:22.279 spirit world beyond the veil, being more real than the real world, right, 185 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.480 yes, And we talked about that last time. So uh, like 186 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:33.360 you think of that old artwork of the alchemist peering piercing the veil. He's 187 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.080 got his head outside and his foot in the mundane world, but he can 188 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.200 see the whole galaxy. This is what we're gonna be talking about in this 189 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:45.879 book. So the world of the phenomena that we can see. They're going 190 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.679 to explain the first chapter that this is a pale shadow of the world of 191 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:54.240 ideas, right, and you can transcend the world of shadows and directly access 192 00:15:54.399 --> 00:16:02.320 the world of ideas through certain magic rituals. And doctor Raymond this is what 193 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:07.600 he attempts to do through science, what the ceremonial magician would try to be 194 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.600 doing with magic circles and spells, right, which is very nineteenth century right, 195 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.799 hobably, Yeah, it's very much propulous too, right, Yeah, 196 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.679 tying in tying in science and the occult and one thing, and you always 197 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.679 get the scientists who want to experiment with their own things. By the way, 198 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.559 in this, you know, it's it's like it's like in bram Stoker's 199 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.080 Dracula, even in the book, where you know the doctor is inside and 200 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:32.919 he's like, well, I had to give Renfield, you know, a 201 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.039 strong magical dose of morphine, which then I then administered to myself just for 202 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:45.120 good measures. Yeah. So they're trying to directly access this like neo platonic 203 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:51.519 world, the one through the brain, through modification of the brain. And 204 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.159 we're also going to see some Victorian ideas of horror, which would be de 205 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:03.919 evolution, so that when evolution was just coming into its peak, right, 206 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:11.039 and so the opposite of that would be a horror devolving back into animal or 207 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:17.759 amba or slime or muck right right, you know, like kafka or something, 208 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:22.839 you know, going back into a Yeah. So, yeah, these 209 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.240 are letters and diaries and a little bit of narrative. So let's get right 210 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.240 in it. So it starts out this young man, mister Clark, is 211 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:36.519 visiting this old doctor, this old scientist, right, and the old scientist 212 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:41.279 is telling the young man, I have been voted myself to transcendental medicine, 213 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.880 right, and some people think I'm a quack in a charlatan and an imposter, 214 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:49.519 but he thinks he's on the right path. So right away we have 215 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:56.960 you know, doctor Frankenstein, yes, rot Wang. Who else archetype can 216 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.519 you think of? Well, definitely Frankenstein because this this is like a huge 217 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.240 section of the Frankenstein novel because the young man, you know, Victor Frankenstein, 218 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:10.000 at the beginning, first he suffers this traumatic shock of his mother dying, 219 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.319 and then he goes and he's you know, he's apprentice to this alchemist 220 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.279 and he's learning that, you know, the secrets of the universe through alchemy, 221 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:19.200 you know, but it's a it's a secret. This is a secret 222 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.839 knowledge and it's but it's tied. It's sort of in the language of scientific 223 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:29.359 research. And then he discovers electricity, and then he and then he starts 224 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.240 playing there's a large section of the book where he's he's playing around with uh 225 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.319 in the morgue and he starts assembling body parts. And when I did the 226 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:42.119 analysis of that, I saw it as you know, again, my my 227 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:47.480 take with that whole novel was that people people will often say, you know, 228 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.559 like when you go to the Halloween party and it's like, well, 229 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.480 I'm Frankenstein and they're like, no, that was the doctor, you're the 230 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.160 monster. But in the book it's made clear to me that there's a fusion. 231 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.200 There's first, there's a split, so there's an elect he goes through 232 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.319 a sort of electroshock therapy that he administers on himself and he splits into this 233 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.440 beast man that he then reassembles spiritually and in terms of the body parts into 234 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:14.440 this other creature. So the rest of the novel has spent he has spent 235 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:18.440 chasing himself. He's trying to find his own psyche and and oftentimes in movies, 236 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.480 you know, they'll show it that, you know, Frankenstein looks out 237 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:23.039 the window and he's in the Arctic and he sees a beast running, but 238 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:27.079 you never see that with other There are never other characters present when he does 239 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.920 that. But it's like to me, it's like we're getting a mirror, 240 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.400 you know, a window into himself where for instance, when he kills people, 241 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.880 he doesn't realize that it's just his altar doing it. But suffice to 242 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:40.839 say, how is it related to this, Well, again, we have 243 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:44.640 somebody who is you know, it's the secret hidden knowledge, and it's tied 244 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.720 in with science, and we're going to find the We're going to find the 245 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:52.680 secrets to the universe through this revealed through the newest, you know, scientific 246 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.400 methods. And one thing, not to give anything away with this, but 247 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.960 one thing that I really like about this book is that it sort of plays 248 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:06.279 it plays on what is truly horrific. One is the unknown, you know, 249 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:10.799 and the and this and this sort of spiritual element of encountering something in 250 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.079 the you know, I mean, he mentions the abyss many times in this 251 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.559 you know, encountering an other. And the other is the just the look 252 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.160 on a person's face when they've encountered such a thing. So we don't need 253 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.960 extraneous elements to deal with that. We just see the look of shock on 254 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.559 the person's face and that's enough to horrify the onlookers in the book. And 255 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:37.559 at the end of chapter one, that's exactly what happened. So the look 256 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.559 on her face was yes, terrifying, right, Yes, yes, he 257 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:42.640 says, yes, said the doctor. It's a great it's a great pity. 258 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:48.680 She is a hopeless idiot. Yes, however, it could not be 259 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.240 helped. And after all, she has seen the great God pan right, 260 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.599 So part of this is madness, just like when you see the abyss or 261 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:03.039 when you do these magic Ritchell's like you're talking about and you do it incorrectly, 262 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:10.279 you can lose your mind. So and this is all having to do 263 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:15.279 with the ideas of the matrix. Also, like, because they're talking about 264 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:21.279 the real world, is just this matrix that we can manipulate, Like Neo, 265 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:26.319 if we can pierce the veil and see the god pant, Yeah, 266 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.839 if you could break on through to the other side man exactly. And so 267 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:37.119 he does this uh proscedure. He says, A slight lesion in the gray 268 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.160 matter, that is all. Oh, and let's not forget the person that 269 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:47.799 he is experimenting on is his servant girl of course, right, an orphan 270 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:52.400 who he raised in his household. So he thinks that he can do whatever 271 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.240 he pleases with her anatomy. So he says, a slight lesion in the 272 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:02.519 gray matter is all a trifling rearrangement of certain cell a microscopial alteration that would 273 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:06.400 escape the attention of ninety nine brain specialists out of a hundred, so we're 274 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:12.480 already getting into like Monarch and Kaletra stuff. Yes, slitting the psyche. 275 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:18.400 Also, that reminds me of doctor Jacqueline mister Hyde. So the type of 276 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:26.599 psychic fractures are older than even World War Two. Yeah, it's in Doctor 277 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:30.720 Jacquelin mister Hyde. I can't help but think that that Lewis Jolly and West 278 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.400 read this book and was like, oh, yeah, this is it, 279 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.720 baby, this is what I want to do. Nor McDonald had a good 280 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:41.000 joke about the guy who invented the lobotomy where he said that this great scientific 281 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.759 hero died a hundred you know, one hundred years ago today he invented a 282 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.920 procedure where he made a slight slit into the gray matter and scrambled the brains. 283 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:53.599 He'll be sorely missed, right, Yeah, this guy's a total monster 284 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:59.119 and you certainly see that. Yeah, like we said in Frankenstein and Doctor 285 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.160 Jacquelin mister Hyde, and I was just I just did this chaos stream about 286 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:08.079 Cia and Charles Manson where Lewis Jolly and West is Tom O'Neil sort of implies 287 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.680 that it's Lewis Jolly and West who did these experiments on the ones that we 288 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:17.039 know about, right, which is like when he met with Jack Ruby and 289 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:22.799 and and and Charlie Charlie Manson, but also with these other characters like this 290 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.839 guy Jimmy Shaver who had done this horrible thing to a well, he'd done 291 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.279 a horrible thing on a at Lackland Air Force Base. And it turns out 292 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.039 that he had probably been a patient of Lewis Jolly and West before that, 293 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:38.519 even though they bring in Jolly and West to to check him out psychologically afterwards, 294 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.359 and then they look for the files and his last name Shaver, and 295 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:47.559 the s files are seemed to be missing. So right, there's a great 296 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.160 I just want to point out on page four, like the language of this 297 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:53.839 is really great because on page four there's he sort of mentioned he has a 298 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:57.799 way of mixing Shakespeare and later Crowley. You know Crowley would read this and 299 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:00.759 this is Crowley's and well I think there was a coded name for him in 300 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.279 this. In a couple of minutes, all I'll see if you three with 301 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:15.000 me, Al Cowley, yes, Oswald Prois, oh oh of course, 302 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.799 yeah, yeah, no, he Crowley did have I mean he had a 303 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:25.119 number of names, right, Pertabo master Theian. But I feel like Oswald 304 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:29.039 was one of them. And also I can picture him writing his you know, 305 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.960 he always had like phallic and yoni signatures, and his pervert signature, 306 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:34.759 and his the way he wold his name. But on page four here it 307 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.440 says it's people should read this book. It's very short. It says, 308 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.480 I stood here one evening. It was a summer evening in the valley looked 309 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:45.839 much as it does now. It's the bottom of page four. I stood 310 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.440 here and saw before me the unutterable, the unthinkable gulf that yawns profound between 311 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:55.279 two worlds, the world of matter and the world of spirit. I saw 312 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:57.880 the great, empty, deep stretch dim before me, and in that instant 313 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.400 a bridge of light left from the earth to the unknown shore, and the 314 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:06.279 Abyss was spanned. Yeah, that's that's Meltonian. I mean, that's Meltonian 315 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.799 language. That's crossing the Abyss. And then later with Crowley talking about meeting 316 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:18.640 Quranson, Yes, and later on it's going to connect to Nodens. The 317 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.200 gotta be abyss, right, right, that's is that the goat? Is 318 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.200 that the goatman you talked about last week? The goat fish. No, 319 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:30.960 that's Capricorn. Oh yeah, that gave me the creepy So Nodens is known 320 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:36.000 for his lightning flash and what I got in my mental imagery when he was 321 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:42.720 talking about that is the synopsis between brain cells use electricity to communicate and fire 322 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:47.640 to you know what I mean. So what he's seen is a great expanse. 323 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:55.200 It could be a giant brain with the electrical impulses going between synapsis and 324 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.200 connecting those and that's what he thinks he's going to do with this operation. 325 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.960 Yeah, and you're you're so right page six of the book. You see 326 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:10.720 that parchment Oswald Crollius. Yeah, and then he says, but to justify 327 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.359 that that it's not just a random name thrown in because inevitably somebody will say, 328 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.640 well, what's that evenue with Crowley. No, he says he was 329 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.759 one of the first to show me the way, although I don't think he 330 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:23.039 ever found it himself. That is a strange saying of his. In every 331 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.039 grain of wheat there lies hidden the soul of a star, which is like 332 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.599 every man and every woman is a star exactly. That's great. Wow, 333 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:37.440 that's good find. So doctor Raymond, the Mad Scientists has invited this young 334 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:41.559 man named mister Clark to witness this brain surgery. Doctor Raymond fancies himself like 335 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:49.799 a sort of pioneer, really a psychonaut, delving into the abyss of gray 336 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:55.400 matter and nerve cells in the brain. And he talks about He says, 337 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.200 I'm perfectly instructed as to the possible functions of those nerve centers. With a 338 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.720 touch, I can say I can set free the current. With a touch, 339 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:08.119 I can complete the communication between this world of sense and dot dot dot. 340 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:18.839 So he's already talking about manipulating uh, your perception of this world and 341 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:26.359 the spirit world by brain surgery, right right, which yeah, which is 342 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.240 a lot like I mean, Jay and I did Wizard of Oz and returned 343 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.519 to Oz, and it seems like returned to Oz especially is like a metaphor. 344 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.759 Uses that as a kind of metaphor, like the lightning storm is the 345 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.480 electric shock table that they put her on at the beginning, we see like 346 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.519 lightning flashes. They're manipulating the brain going into another world, piercing the veil. 347 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:51.440 Good point, and so he says, it will leve level utterly the 348 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.599 solid wall of sense and probably for the first time since man was made a 349 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:59.519 spirit will gaze on a spirit world, Clark, Mary will see the god 350 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.079 pain. And then this is so weird. I don't know if you caught 351 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.000 this, but the next sentence right after that, it says Clark is talking 352 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:10.880 to doctor Raymond, and Clark says, but you remember what you wrote to 353 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:18.359 me. I thought it would be requisite that she and he stops and he 354 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.880 whispered the rest into the doctor's ear, and they never go back, or 355 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:27.759 they never say what was the requisite that she I don't know if they're talking 356 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:33.319 about her being a virgin or something. Yeah, I suppose that would be 357 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.319 it, right, So he says, the doctor says, oh, never 358 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.440 mind about that. It's better as it is. I'm certain of that. 359 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:48.079 So this might be a clue when it comes out later that we'll get to 360 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.279 that, okay, So just keep that in your mind, right, because 361 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.480 you never explained that. And then he talks about how he rescued this girl 362 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.559 from the gutter from certain starvation when she was a child. I think her 363 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.640 life is mine to use as icy fits. So there is his uh moral 364 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.799 compass right there, right, and which, by the way, ties into 365 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:15.240 Peter Pan right, because we're talking about orphans and Peter Pan chasing his own 366 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:21.119 shadow, flying, flying from one from the flying from the I guess you 367 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.599 could say the figurative world of Neverland or the other world across the ocean back 368 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.880 into you know, the big smoke London through the window and then chasing his 369 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.559 own shadow. And he's an orphan And that ties in with I mean Hook, 370 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.559 which we're gonna talk about. I know it plays a big that's a 371 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:45.200 major part of the motif in that film. Yeah, the orphanage. So 372 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:52.440 they do talk about that the operating table was a stone slab, like how 373 00:29:52.960 --> 00:30:00.279 horrific yet right, right, And then when the doctor's mixing toget the anesthesia 374 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:08.000 or whatever it's gave this like super odd odor that reminded Clark of a encounter 375 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.319 that he had with the Devil or with Pan when he was young. So 376 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:18.960 here's the theme that Pan is a generational thing because Peter Pan comes to visit 377 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:26.079 you generation after generation, right, yes, And Hook said, remember Hook 378 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.559 says, Captain Hook says that I'm going to keep coming back to you generation 379 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.759 after generation, to all of your children. Yeah, if you go to 380 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:38.599 the doctor's office and you smell listen, folks, I went to the doctor's 381 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.119 office. I smelled sulfur and brimstone. It was terrible. I said to 382 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.559 myself, Why is my doctor putting me on a stone slab with spirals all 383 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.039 around? It's very strange, it's very odd. Yeah, maybe that's not 384 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.640 the right doctor. Oh I forgot. We're going to talk about Panslaver and 385 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.680 tonight. Yeah. Yeah, because the same thing occurs in that. Yes, 386 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:02.559 yes, so Clark. He passes out because of the smell of the 387 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.160 like chemicals, and he dreams of the day that he met Pan, when 388 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:15.839 the temperature was so tropical, and he dreamt of a moment in time he 389 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.440 stood face to face with a presence. It was neither man nor beast, 390 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.400 neither neither living nor dead, but all things mingled, the form of all 391 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.480 things, but devoid of all form. And in that moment the sacrament of 392 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.799 body and soul was dissolved, and a voice seemed to cry, let us 393 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.079 go. Hence, and then the darkness of darkness beyond the stars, the 394 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:42.240 darkness of everlasting. So their clear night of Pan. Right, yeah, 395 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:47.200 he is this where he ends up on the bottom of page eight, there's 396 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:51.000 this great part where he says, I turn on Mike little he says, 397 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.240 and the wood. I know you've gotten this part. But Clark, in 398 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:56.799 the deep folds of dream, was conscious that the path from his father's house 399 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.039 had led him to an undiscovered the undiscovered country. So when he says the 400 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:07.559 undiscovered country, that's that's a hamlet reference from from Once No Traveler Returns. 401 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:13.400 He's talking about death there undiscovered country, and he was so, but continuously 402 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.920 in this it's the metaphor that you see Pan at the moment of ecstasy before 403 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.680 death, and then you go into the great beyond of death, which is 404 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:25.079 the shimmering abyss of hell. I suppose in this, when suddenly, in 405 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:29.599 place of the hum and murmur of the summer, an infinite silence seemed to 406 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.119 fall on all things in the wood was hushed. Course, it's the wood, 407 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.960 because Pan lives in the wood. And for a moment in time he 408 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.920 stood face to face there with a presence that was neither man nor beast, 409 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.720 neither the living nor dead, but all all all things, mingled the form 410 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.799 of all things, but devoid of all form. And in that moment the 411 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:51.559 sacrament of body and soul was dissolved, and the voice seemed to cry, 412 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:52.519 let us go hence. Yeah, that's that's great. Yeah, you just 413 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:59.720 read the part about let us go hence and it gives way to the most 414 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:07.039 awful terror. M god. Yeah. So he brings the girl in for 415 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:13.000 the procedure, and Clark is waking up from his vision. Yeah, and 416 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.200 he brings around her. Name's Mary, of course, yeah right, virgin 417 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:22.519 Mary. Yeah, but maybe not. And then he the doctor's like, 418 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.279 are you willing to trust yourself to me entirely? And she says, oh, 419 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.720 yes, of course, give me a kiss before you begin, and 420 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.599 so the doctor kisses her. So this is weird, weird stuff going on 421 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:40.880 between Mary and old psychonaut doctor. Yes, this this reminds me of have 422 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:46.400 you seen that movie A Dangerous Method? David Cronenberg. It's about Freud and 423 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:52.680 Young and their relationship with each other. Viggo Mortenson and Michael Fassbender and Michael 424 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.160 Fastbender gets this patient who's Kia Knightly and she's like this, she's like a 425 00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:02.039 schizophrenic orphan and he ends up doing pervert things. What's it called. It's 426 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:07.640 called A Dangerous Method. Okay, it's pretty good film. I mean it's 427 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:12.079 a it's a you know, the whole thing centers around his perversion with this 428 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.559 this patient of his. But he's like, oh, you know, it's 429 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.480 therapeutics that I enact the things that she wants me to enact. Yeah, 430 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:27.960 like some Kinsey therapy, right, right, So yeah, he puts her 431 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.000 asleep. It says she crosses her arms on her breast like a little child 432 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:37.519 about to say her prayers. So this is also an esoteric thelemic mm HMMA 433 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:45.119 virus. Right. Yeah, I just realized also that Wendy is Mary, 434 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.880 right, She's Wendy Moira. What's her name, Wendy, Wendy Moiler Angela 435 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.440 Darli Right, Moira is a Irish form of Mary. Oh is it? 436 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.920 Yeah? Oh? Okay? And yeah, because when we talk about Peter 437 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.480 Pan and Wendy the twenty twenty three one, this was all about her. 438 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.559 Really, this is all about her coming of age, Yeah, her awakening, 439 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.159 and that's really when Pan goes for you, is when you blossom into 440 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.639 a woman. Yeah. I got a lot of things to say about that 441 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:17.880 one. So so they do this procedure on for Mary, the servant girl, 442 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:28.079 the little gutter snipe that he rescued from Victorian England. And I'm here, 443 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.519 I'm here to rescue you. Yeah, it's gonna be great. I'm 444 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.960 gonna give you a good life. A stone slab just totally scramble your brains 445 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:42.360 for a second. So it works. And when they come back to see 446 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.679 her, it says she's lying wide awake, rolling her head from side to 447 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:52.760 sign, grinning vacantly and looking like just a terror. I mean that gave 448 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:59.039 me a chill, Actually it was. The old stuff is a lot scarier 449 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.280 sometimes than the new. It is, yes, because again there's no extraneous 450 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:08.000 it's all about the imagery, like the simple imagery, and the psychology, 451 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.199 well not not in terms of psychological terms, but in terms of like what 452 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:17.000 your brain is is seeing as you're engulfed into the narrative because we're again. 453 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.360 One of the things about this is that even though it's a kind of a 454 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.800 disparate narrative, like they're various voices and we're finding things, the reader is 455 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.400 brought along into finding these like various artifacts, as if we're the detective, 456 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.280 so that when you come across them, you're led into this place where you 457 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.199 want to see what's around the corner, and then when you see it, 458 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:39.719 you're oh my god, yes, yes it is it's worse. So it 459 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.920 worked, and it said it is a great pity. She is a hopeless 460 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.639 idiot. However it could not be helped. And after all she has seen 461 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:53.400 the great God pants right, So poor Mary, that was her fate h 462 00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:00.840 turning into a grinning crazy Do you remember that movie The People on the Stairs 463 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:08.079 and that the lady they had to take care of it. It reminded me 464 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.920 of there's a lot of the Ripper in this. There's a lot of Jack 465 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.159 the Ripper in this because he mentions eighteen eighty eight and there's a white chapel. 466 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.360 He mentions that if I think it's three different references in this book too, 467 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.840 Ripper. But I remember at the end of From Hell or and No 468 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:27.119 midway through, when you know Ian Holme is doing the the lobotomy on the 469 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:31.000 girl, and she's the girl that has seen who the Ripper really, so 470 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.920 she's in a sense she's seen the same thing. She has seen, this 471 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.119 hellish version. That's what he wants to enact as this Masonic you know ritual 472 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:45.840 where she's like meeting her her fate and he is the agent of fate here, 473 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:50.719 right, and then he lobotis, lobotomizes her, So she's stuck there 474 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.280 forever and she's like this whimpering idiot left in the a bail and all the 475 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.440 scientists are like, oh, very good. Yeah yeah, don't an old 476 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:07.880 chap as you've done it, We're gonna oh okay. So chapter two is 477 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.960 all about mister Clark in his past. So he had a vision of Pan 478 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.079 in the childhood. Now he's obsessed with stories about the devil and he tries 479 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:22.280 to stop himself, but he just cannot keep himself from collecting all of these 480 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:30.360 accounts of people seeing the Devil or Pan. And one of the stories that 481 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:37.719 he has in his collection is about a girl named Helen V. So Helen 482 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:45.159 V was It just jumps into like another story and you have no idea how 483 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.480 this connects to what just happened with the Mary and the lobotomy, right right, 484 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.320 But so now you're reading the story about Helen V. Who showed up 485 00:38:53.400 --> 00:39:00.639 in a village under peculiar circumstances and was given to some a off to parents 486 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.880 to raise when she became of age because they wanted to socialize her, right 487 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:10.960 right, So they gave her to some foster parents, and weird things start 488 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.039 happening in this village. One was a little boy sees Helen V in the 489 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:22.280 woods with a man, and he what he saw caused him to have a 490 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:28.639 nervous breakdown. Right, the little boy, yeah, yeah, he was 491 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.760 horrified at hearing the most dreadful screams, evidently the results of a great terror. 492 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.519 The little boy was running headlong, was evidently terribly frightened, And on 493 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.840 questioning him, the man elicited that after picking a posy of flowers, he 494 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.320 felt tired and laid down on the grass and fell asleep, and he's playing 495 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.440 on Helen V. Was playing on the grass with a strange naked man. 496 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.280 He said, he felt dreadfully frightened and ran away, crying for his father, 497 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.159 Joseph. Joseph Dubbs proceeded in the direction indicated by his son and found 498 00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.320 Helen V. Sitting on the grass in the middle of a glade or open 499 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:04.480 space left by charcoal burners. And then it was a strange man. And 500 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.079 then the bottom of that paragraph. He became nervous and strange in his manner, 501 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.199 refusing to leave the cottage by himself, and constantly alarming the household by 502 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.480 waking in the night with cries of the man in the wood, father father, 503 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:19.239 Oh my gosh. Yeah, so this is kind of like the Village 504 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:28.599 era, right, Yes, And what Helen b does is goes out all 505 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.639 day long and stays in the woods and comes back, you know, at 506 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:36.639 dark. And that's all she does. And a person who gave her to 507 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.440 the foster parents said, just let her do whatever she wants and I'll pay 508 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:44.280 you handsomely to just you know, house her. Yeah, this is like 509 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.719 it's like, it's like the Village. It's like the Crucible at the beginning 510 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:57.760 of the Crucible because the whole story starts because the town puritan preacher is walking 511 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.079 along looking for he's looking for his girl that he took in, who is 512 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:07.599 his niece that he like, there's a lot of innuendo in it, and 513 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.119 he is watching her from the bushes and she's with the group of women and 514 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.840 then they see, you know, they see him with Tituba Tituba from Barbados, 515 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.199 and she's cutting the chicken and rubbing blood all over themselves and then they're 516 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:22.119 dancing over a magic circle and then over the over the fire and then when 517 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.559 he catches her, then she goes catatonic. That it's also the same By 518 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.639 the way, I just rewatched The Witch and which has which has a pan 519 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.800 black Philip goat figure in it who turns into Lucifer. And there's a scene 520 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:40.760 in that where the father says, we got to get well, what's the 521 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:45.119 what's the girl's name in it? We have to get her, he says, 522 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.000 we have to get her out of here. We have to get her. 523 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.280 We have to hire her out to one of the other families in town. 524 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:52.320 They'll take care of her. So it's like, again, you're gonna 525 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.679 have this this girl who's like good, They're gonna sort of orphan her and 526 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:01.440 then sell her to another group because of the horror that she's witnessing, which 527 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.639 is after the baby gets taken in the Witch. So it's sort of the 528 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.079 same. It's the same thing. You go out in the woods, you 529 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:14.639 see the pan satan figure in the woods playing around with the witches and taking 530 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.559 people. You get horrified, and then you sell the kids off. I 531 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:24.239 suppose what I like those movies because part of the horror is just how they 532 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:29.960 had to survive back then, right, just how like Bare Bones you had 533 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.480 to chop down the trees to make your house and just yeah, in the 534 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:38.920 cold winter, and it just adds a whole layer of horror and uncomfortability to 535 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:43.800 it. It does. And also because especially the Puritan ones, it's like 536 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:49.960 the beginning of the move of the Witch's he's too Puritan for the Puritan government 537 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.039 group in the town. He's like, you, no, you're not doing 538 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.199 it right. We've come across the ocean and we didn't like how you did 539 00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.199 it, So we're going to go out on our own, right. But 540 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.519 the woods is where the devil lives for them, and so they're already they're 541 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:08.039 already oppressed by the fact that like they're they're it's like they're a mini cult 542 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.800 within themselves, right, Yeah, cult within a cult. And how alstra 543 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:20.159 Parli's dad was because he was a plymouth Brethren's right, so weird culty pilgrim 544 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:25.840 people. Yeah, nothing is ever pure enough for that. Yeah. They 545 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.280 needed to just come down here to Virginia, all right. It would have 546 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:30.320 been a lot it would have been a lot different, you know, down 547 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.519 here in Virginia in Jamestown, right, They it was all about they were 548 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.519 making money, right, they're working for the Virginia Company. And then they 549 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.480 all started cannibalizing each other because they could they were like, you know, 550 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.920 what, what are we gonna do? You know, the city engines, 551 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.360 And then John Smith got here and said, look, you people are perverted, 552 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.440 like this is freaky. All right, Look here's how it's gonna be. 553 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.719 Don't if you don't work, then you don't eat and everything else. 554 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.440 We're just gonna survive and make our stuff. We're not going to be We're 555 00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.239 not going to be culty out here, right, there's not gonna be any 556 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.119 like going out into the woods. And you're more hardcore than the rest of 557 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.960 us. You're gonna stay within the limits of the town and we're gonna you 558 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:12.239 know. But what's interesting too about this book is like it's on the cusp 559 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:20.320 of like the scientific revolutions and going away from spiritualism to materialism and just stark 560 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:27.760 like what you can see is matter and that's it. But already we're marrying 561 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:39.519 technology to black magic and devil and also like nature worship, right right, 562 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.920 I guess and Helen she's called Helen, I guess how she feeling like, 563 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:52.440 I suppose she's like Helen of Troy. So so Helen is taken from Agamemnon 564 00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.840 and taken to Troy, right where she's sort of worshiped like a goddess and 565 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:04.360 is the cause of war. So that gets transposed into their into war in 566 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.119 themselves, I suppose. But Allen is an object of beauty in other words. 567 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.000 Well, speaking of that, they are linking a lot of these things 568 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.679 to the Roman times because the village was by a Roman old Roman wall or 569 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:22.639 boundary. And then when the little boy who saw her with pan If he's 570 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:24.599 having these nervous breakdowns and they take him to the doctor's house and he sees 571 00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:29.159 the statue of pan and like loses it. Yeah, and they're like, 572 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:34.119 oh, we just excavated this like from an old like not too long ago, 573 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:40.760 and so it's almost like Puzuzu powers yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 574 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:45.280 If you're excavating and you find a statue of this devil man, just 575 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:52.440 put it back. No smash it, just smash the damn thing. So 576 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.599 there's that story. And then so Clark is going through all of these papers 577 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:02.320 of like, uh, the X files. Right, He's got a bureau 578 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.599 of X files that he's going through. So now we're reading these X files. 579 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:12.880 Another file was about a girl, and so you're saying bat boy is 580 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:22.519 real. Bat boyle kills Gully. Remember I tweeted, I tweeted at him 581 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.239 when I stawt of Twitter, I tweeted at him afterwards that show, that 582 00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.760 episode was on television. I tweeted him you saying bat Boy is real. 583 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:37.920 He loved it. Goat Boy is real. Yeah. Yeah, So Helen 584 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.239 B grows up a little bit. She gets a friend who's about her age. 585 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:47.559 They're staying they're about what like fifteen sixteen ish made an age and Helen 586 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:53.639 B takes her friend into the forest and to get h. M. L. 587 00:46:53.679 --> 00:47:00.559 E. Steed by Pan. Yeah right, this is this is Pan 588 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.039 Pans Labyrinth, by the way, I mean that's that's the Romans, because 589 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.360 in Pans Labyrinth they're the Roman Ruins. Yeah, and she she immediately when 590 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.760 they get to the place where they are for the you know, the fascists 591 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.079 go up and they're whatever, they have their little place, the phylangists, 592 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.760 and then she immediately sees the Roman Ruins and walks into it, into the 593 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.280 labyrinth and then there it's almost like he is walking through a labyrinth. The 594 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:30.199 man in the wood grotesque appearance, the owner of the house. Uh, 595 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.960 well that's what you just read here. Yeah, but I might note it 596 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.599 was at the top of the page was sra a monarch Kathy O'Brien. Okay, 597 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.719 yeah, EXCESSI Helen was known in the village for excessive liberality, and 598 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.360 the impression was general that she would one day inherit a large sum of money 599 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.079 from the relative and then takes her into the woods. Yeah. So at 600 00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.639 this point the reader does not know what Helen has to do with Mary, 601 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:05.440 right, And then at the end of this chapter, the Helen's friend disappears 602 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.320 or her mom finds her in the bed with her her skirt up that she 603 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:16.199 has been taken advantage of by Pan, and then she disappears. And then 604 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:22.840 at the end is this Latin. Yeah, a diabolis incarnate st at homo 605 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:29.039 factus est, which is and a devil was made incarnate and a human being 606 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.280 was produced. So this is very Rosemary's baby, it is. And that's 607 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.360 also that the Elizabeth Barrett Browning Palm, the great God Pan is dead and 608 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:46.400 I wrote atavistic reversion to ancestral antique and primordial also on that facing page on 609 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.360 page twenty. It's just interesting to look at the language because because it is 610 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.920 like you're reading Twilight language. Because we're talking about a book where we're talking 611 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.679 about two world two different worlds, you know, a literal and a figurative 612 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:07.360 here and now and a spiritual world that's beyond the veil. It's interesting to 613 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.280 look at some of the language and how it adds up, like when you 614 00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:12.679 just look at Oh, you can't really see that when you look at the 615 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.480 page. Just the verbs in that one paragraph live, die, struggle, 616 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:23.440 conquer, fail, fall, grieve, suffer, m nightmare, Yeah, 617 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:31.000 unspeakable elements and throned as it were, and triumphant and human flesh mhm. 618 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:39.719 Oh. And this is foreshadowing. This is foreshew. It's foreshadowing that Pan 619 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.480 has what did I write? Oh, that he has Well, I don't 620 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.440 want to give away what happens in the book, but foreshadowing is something that 621 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.400 happens that Pan is done in this sex magic ritual. Yeah. Okay, 622 00:49:53.639 --> 00:50:00.519 So now we're getting to chapter three where some more characters are introduced. So 623 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:09.280 many characters k Billier, Wattam and Charles Herbert. So these are two Dandy's 624 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:15.320 well one Villier. He's just like a man about town, right, He's 625 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:24.480 like you're Dorian Gray or I'm a Jack the lad yeah, and noticed at 626 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.519 the bottom of that page. I couldn't help but think that of the part 627 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:32.719 with an animal lecture, because it talks about Villiers had emerged from his restaurant 628 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:38.239 and after an excellent dinner of many courses, assisted by his ingratiating little flask 629 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:44.760 of keyanti. Yeah, he did what did you call it? A foppish 630 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:52.079 Yes, he's a foppish dandy man, Foppish dandies. And he is just 631 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.000 finishing his fine meal and he comes out and he runs into like a homeless 632 00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.679 beggar, and he recognizes him as somebody who he graduated with not too long 633 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.840 ago from university. So he's like, how did I end up here? 634 00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:08.119 And you ended up there? Right? Well, the world needs ditch diggers 635 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:14.800 too, I suppose. Come to find out, he was red pilled when 636 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:22.239 he met Helen V. And Helen VU corrupted his soul. Right, So 637 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:30.000 the homeless beggar man married this Helen lady, all right. And he said 638 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.440 she spoke of things which even now I would not dare whisper in the blackest 639 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.000 night, not in your most fantastic, hideous dreams. Can you have imagine 640 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.920 forth the faintest shadow of what I've heard and seen so he's seen some shit. 641 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:50.280 Yeah right, I've seen some stuff, man, and heard some shit. 642 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:55.400 He bought that thousand yards stare of you know, post traumatic stress disorder, 643 00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.400 just from being married to this Helen And she was a ruined man. 644 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.880 I mean he was a ruined man in a year because she took it all 645 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:10.559 from him and left him and left him haunted. And he does not even 646 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:15.400 think of her as human. I was a foolish I was a foppish dandy 647 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:21.519 of the nth degree until I met this Siza. Yes, that things. 648 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:28.159 He doesn't ever blink again. Page twenty three. Also it talks about London 649 00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:30.039 has been called the city of encounters. It's more than that, it's the 650 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.000 city of resurrection. And then on page fifty six, later on, jumping 651 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:39.000 on, it'll call it. They'll call London the city of nightmares. Yeah, 652 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:47.239 because he a haunted, haunted man who has seen hell. So then 653 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:53.800 they're talking again about the bad odor that came from their house, from the 654 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.320 homeless man and Helen Bee's house, they call it. They like to use 655 00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.280 the word queer in this book, in the in the weird way, in 656 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:07.960 the way that it means he was he was a queer fellow. He had 657 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:14.280 an owner like Henry Lee Lucas. It was unmistakable. So him and Helen 658 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.320 moved into this house. And then there's like dead bodies happening around the house. 659 00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:22.440 There's all this bad smells. People don't want to be friends with them. 660 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:29.000 Everyone who saw her said she was at once the most beautiful woman and 661 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:34.400 the most repulsive they had ever set eyes on. So there's another alchemical like 662 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.440 duality. Yeah, it sounds like Crowley's low La Zaza or whatever. Sounds 663 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.639 like the scarlet women that he wanted, you know, beautiful, beautiful women 664 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:49.559 that he then degrades into beasts. Well, not only that this book that 665 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.840 I haven't done the Robin Show yet because I was not feeling good this week, 666 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:58.760 but they talk about the law of reversion and the an ad that he 667 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.440 put out for Scarlett in calling for ugly women, fat women, women with 668 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:07.840 scars, tattoos, colored women. Not that that's ugly, but he in 669 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:13.400 the time, he was trying to think of anything that he was repulsed by, 670 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.679 and he wanted to leave that in his ritual imagine answering the ad. 671 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:28.119 Right, God, that's me, I'm ugly finally, so Helen is bad 672 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:34.559 news. She stinks she's beautiful and ugly at the same time. And so 673 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.960 now Villers and Clark, Villier not Villers and Clark, are friends somehow. 674 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:47.039 So they're trying to figure out who is this total lady who was the downfall 675 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:52.920 of his college friend? Right? Is he Clark? Because it's like, 676 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.880 I know this is English, but he said he was a pioneer. The 677 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.280 other guy thought of himself as a pioneer. So it's kind of like this 678 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:01.840 duo figure. So it's kind of a Lewis and Clark, you know, 679 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:08.440 duo here. And then we have Villier the villain. He's not the villain, 680 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:19.559 but there's there's definitely a part on page thirty. This is the beginning 681 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.400 of the Ripper connections that I saw in the book, because at the top 682 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:27.079 of page thirty it says, but some very odd things came out about them. 683 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.480 Though it was between five and six in the morning. The dead man 684 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.079 was removed and a large crowd had collected and several of his neighbors ran to 685 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.239 see what was going on. So he was removed, and then part of 686 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:38.920 me at the bottom of the page, I know perfectly well what caused death. 687 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.719 Blank died of fright of sheer awful terror. I never saw features so 688 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:49.280 hideously contorted in the entire course of my practice, and I've seen the faces 689 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.119 of a whole host of dead. The doctor was usually a cool customer, 690 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.400 enough in certain vehemence, and his manner struck me, but I couldn't get 691 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:58.119 anything more out of him. That's the same thing that happens. I did 692 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.320 it again. I did an analysis of Chack the for about a year ago, 693 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.920 and that's the same sort of things that the investigators are saying when they 694 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:08.119 come upon the bodies. And then there are more references later on in the 695 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:12.719 book, which we'll get to. What what what year was Jack the Rivers 696 00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:21.199 eighteen ninety eight, Yeah, and this was eighteen ninety so it was well 697 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:30.079 known. Yeah, it's not fresh on everybody's mind. So then they introduced 698 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:37.079 a couple more like characters. Austin a guy named Austin Billy are friends and 699 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:44.199 they are kind of on the trail of like Helen V. And then this 700 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:52.159 other lady, Missus Beaumont m so. Missus Beaumont is known for like hosting 701 00:56:52.519 --> 00:57:00.199 weird dinner parties that everybody loved all of the gentry of London like to go 702 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:07.599 to her weird dinner party. Yes, come to my salon. All the 703 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:16.079 faults will be there. It's like I guess, I guess at the end 704 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:24.039 of the Victorian era, you know, every sort of passion was was satiated. 705 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.559 Right, So then they started to get into the occult. Yeah, 706 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.920 and into you know, mixing electrical energy and the occult and these seances and 707 00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.159 looking for something else to satisfy them because they had opium. Right, remember 708 00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:43.320 they remember they invented morphine as a cure for cocaine or was it love vice 709 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.920 versa. One was an invented one was invented as a cure for the other. 710 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:51.760 Right, Oh, your child is on morphine, Well take some cocaine. 711 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.480 Right, And they you know, and they can do anything they want 712 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:58.199 and have that they have all this money in this power and they owned you 713 00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.360 know, a quarter of the globe. So at that point I guess they 714 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:06.599 start getting into the occult, right, because they're just pushing boundaries of science 715 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:15.559 and exploration and discovery and so what next is the spirit world? Because they've 716 00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:22.199 conquered you know, pretty much under that regime, what packs Britannica at that 717 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:24.440 time, like, yeah, there was nowhere else to go. Yea. 718 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:32.960 So one scene in this book they are looking at some artwork of somebody who 719 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:37.800 has had a run in with this lady, and it says in the frightful 720 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:43.719 Waltzburgus Night of evil, strange, constrous evil, that the dead artist had 721 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:47.599 set forth in hard black and white, the figures of fawns and satyrs and 722 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.400 ag pants danced before his eyes. So I had to look up what an 723 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.960 ag pan was, and that is the capricorn. Yeah, that's the goat 724 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.679 fish. Yeah, yeah, danced before his eyes, the darkness of the 725 00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:07.039 thicket, the dance on the mountaintop, the scenes by the lonely shores and 726 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.119 green vineyards, by rocks and desert places, a world before which the human 727 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:15.039 soul seemed to shrink back and shutter. So coming into contact with this person 728 00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:22.239 has caused artists to go mad, little children to go mad, maidens to 729 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:29.559 lose their virtue and disappear and die. Right, So, everybody who comes 730 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:35.679 into contact the person who has a terrible fate. Yeah, yeah, you 731 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:37.679 would pass the rest of your life as I passed by a haunted man, 732 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:44.000 a man who has seen hell. Yeah. So this poor guy. He 733 00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:54.679 is black pill. And then there's some more Latin in this chapter on page 734 00:59:54.719 --> 01:00:00.000 forty six. Okay, I'm talking about the universe is silent throughout the day 735 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:07.960 and just basically like pan with the fish tails playing reef pipes. Mm hmm 736 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:15.519 right, oh yeah, okay, oh yeah. My note says, yeah 737 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:22.320 the the aji Panem zodiac Capricorn, goatfish c f jamie reference I wrote. 738 01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:31.880 I wrote, Uh, let's see, the universe is lifeless at day, 739 01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:36.960 but the secret is not without horrors at night fires shine. Yeah, this 740 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.920 is the this is from this paragraph. The the a japanis, Oh, 741 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.320 this is the this is the Latin inscription. Oh yeah, I'm just translating 742 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:50.880 it now. Yeah yeah see La paradam universus. Yeah so so I don't 743 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.079 know what what you're translation was. The universe is lifeless at day, but 744 01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:58.559 the universe is not without horrors at night, fires shine. The a japanis 745 01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:04.599 uh uh, I couldn't read my writing here. Resounds everywhere. The melody 746 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.000 of the flutes and the tinkling of the symbols are heard on the sea coast, 747 01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:17.679 which sounds like a which sounds like a almost like a stage in a 748 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:28.800 ritual initiation. Well, speaking of that, the chapter six talks about So 749 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.599 we've got this lady Missus Beaumont that we're got our eye on. Now we've 750 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:39.519 got Helen v We've got Mary the lobotomized girl, Clark Villier, and now 751 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:47.480 we get Lord Argentine or Argentine favorite in London is byronic. Yeah, he 752 01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:54.320 was the foppiest of fops, right, But basically what they're saying is like 753 01:01:54.559 --> 01:02:04.679 anybody that goes to dinner at Beaumont's, Like all of these people who wouldn't 754 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:09.639 be committing un ali being on themselves are doing this for no reason. And 755 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:15.960 it's like a rash of these in London. And I was gonna say it's 756 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:22.280 also it's also we get these this variety of characters who represent the various levels 757 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:27.480 of high society. Yeah, I'm mixed in with this and sometimes they are. 758 01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.840 I mean, this is byronic, he says, Lord argent Lord Argentine 759 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.960 was a great favorite in London society. At twenty he had been a poor 760 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.000 man, decked with the surname of an illustrious family, but forced to earn 761 01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.199 a livelihood as best he could, and the most speculative of money lenders would 762 01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:43.480 not have en trusted him with fifty pounds on the chance of ever changing his 763 01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:45.159 name for a title and his poverty for a great fortune. That's Byron. 764 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:50.239 That's I mean, that's Byron to a T. Byron is the richest poor 765 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.679 man, right, He's got he's got a name and a title, but 766 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.159 he has no money, and he's subject to money lenders and and you know 767 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:01.199 he's he ends up being finance by this weird in his real life. I 768 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:05.719 did. There was a biography of Byron. He was financed by this weird 769 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:13.000 society woman who hosted these salons and she was involved in oswatch Shut activities. 770 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.599 And he writes her, yeah, that's her. Yeah, And he writes 771 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:17.920 letters to her saying like please, I don't want to do that. You 772 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.239 know, I don't want to do this anymore. He doesn't say what that 773 01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.440 this is? Yeah, She's like, you must go you must do the 774 01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:30.960 thing. Yeah. People can go back and watch that Byron stream. But 775 01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:34.320 that's Byron too a T. Yeah. Is that on your channel? Yes? 776 01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:42.480 Yeah. So the thing that I wrote about the Lord Argentine on Aliving 777 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:47.360 was that they found him his body leaning forward at an angle from the bottom 778 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:52.440 of the bed he had choked himself in the way that like Robin Williams was 779 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:59.920 found and more people have been found like that, right, Yeah, it's 780 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.400 not in the way of the total pervert thing, right, the guy from 781 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:10.239 kill Bill was found. But it is which is the auto Dad? Yeah, 782 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:13.519 David Carradine, which which which? Again I hate to bring Norman to 783 01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.320 this again, but Norm McDonald says, the worst part about that is the 784 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:20.039 fact that you do that and then you are found, so someone has to 785 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.960 find you like that. Yeah, and they had to keep together what happened? 786 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:30.719 Right? Right? Oh boy? But he is you know, you 787 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.519 have found strangled I suppose, And and there was a coming up. There's 788 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:40.239 another one. I don't think it was this one, but there's another one 789 01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:44.360 in here that was just like I think it was at was Aldo Morow. 790 01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.760 Aldo Morrow was the guy that was involved with P two Lodge and the Vatican 791 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:54.760 scandal. Was he the one that was found strangled in the Masonic ritual over 792 01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:59.159 the Thames? I don't know. I'm sure when this goes loud somebody will 793 01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.719 say who it was. But what about Captain Morgan? Didn't he have a 794 01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:12.039 bad like that for talking about masonry. I don't know, ap. I 795 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:14.719 thought it was just that. No, I was gonna make trying to make 796 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:18.199 some stupid joke about spicy rum. No, I'm serious, Like he was 797 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:21.559 a foppish character, though he was a very captain hook character. Yeah, 798 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:27.400 he he did something they didn't like. I'll have to look that up again. 799 01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:34.440 So anyways, each of the people that did this had dined at her 800 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:44.280 house the night before and no reason whatsoever. Right, but this is the 801 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:49.719 Missus Beaumont who has taken London by storm. She would be called very handsome, 802 01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.159 and yet there's something about her face which I didn't like. Well, 803 01:05:53.800 --> 01:06:03.079 spoilers ahead. Helen v Helen, the lady that ruined the college guy, 804 01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:15.519 Missus Beaumont are all the same, right, And then you come to find 805 01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:26.840 out that this was actually the daughter of Mary who got the lobotomy and saw 806 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:36.639 a pant. So it's generational, yes, And one fifty one is a 807 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:44.400 good descriptions talking about Lord Swanley, h was found one morning in his dressing 808 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:47.880 room hanging from a peg a fixed to the wall. Again, there was 809 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.199 no explanation in either case, but a few bald facts. A living man 810 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.440 in the evening and a body with a black, swollen face in the morning. 811 01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:01.039 That alone is that's yeah. The police have been forced to confess themselves 812 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:05.000 powerless to arrest or to explain the sordid murders of White Chapel. There's your 813 01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:12.840 Jack the Ripper reference, and White Chapel is for the folks at home. 814 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.280 White Chapel is a district in the East end of London where the Jack Ripper 815 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:18.880 murders took place. That's still there. Each of these men who had resolved 816 01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:23.239 to die a tortured, shameful death, was a rich, prosperous and to 817 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:26.800 all appearances, in love with the world, and not the acutest research should 818 01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:30.400 fared out any shadow of a lurking motive in either case. And there's a 819 01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:32.480 fit. There's a victim of a fifth nameless tragedy which ties in with Jack 820 01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:38.360 River. Again. It's like a the points of the pentagram. And then 821 01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:44.280 again we get this reiteration of this kind of phrase about discovering the dead body 822 01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:46.360 on the next page fifty two at the bottom. I never experienced such a 823 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.800 feeling of horror as when I read the account of Argentine's death. I didn't 824 01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:55.000 understand at the time and I don't now. And then there's the there's the 825 01:07:55.119 --> 01:08:00.440 theory of acute suicide scidal mania. And then they say, as for the 826 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.639 theory of mania, that is very well page fifty three. That is very 827 01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.840 well, of course, for the coroner's journey. But everybody knows that it's 828 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:14.199 all nonsense. S sidal mania is not smallpox. And then it talks about 829 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.239 then it goes into the labyrinth. Austin tried to shake off the remembrance of 830 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:20.680 tragedies as hopeless and perplexed as the Labyrinth of data Lists, and began to 831 01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:26.600 talk in different voice of the more pleasant incidents and adventures of the season. 832 01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:30.439 The Labyrinth of data Lists, of course, is in the in the Myths, 833 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.079 and is where data List is, you know. Data List makes his 834 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:36.680 way through the labyrinth and uses the string to to track his way back. 835 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:44.199 He creates the labyrinth, but at at the inside the labyrinth is the Minotaur, 836 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:48.439 and the Minotaur. The Minotaur is a is a character as an archetype 837 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:55.760 who sits in the abyss in Judgment in Dante's Inferno. He's in one of 838 01:08:55.800 --> 01:09:00.479 the circles of Hell, and so is Minos. Minos appears there as well, 839 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:02.039 so in other words, you're making your way through the labyrinth. But 840 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:05.159 also, and that is going to happen with pet Pans Labyrinth, but is 841 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:10.479 a way of talking about making your way through your psyche and through your you 842 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:14.920 know, a spiritual journey through your spot, your psyche, finding of course 843 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:19.479 the beast at the center of the thing. Right, So the labyrinth is 844 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:24.479 like, yeah, you just said your psyche. And it always has to 845 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:30.600 do with girls coming of age. I mean the movie Labyrinth with Connelly classic 846 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:33.960 right right, or Jack Torrence chasing Danny through the Labyrinth at the end of 847 01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:49.199 the Shining Yea where he is the mentaur in that. So let's skip to 848 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:57.199 page sixty five where they're talking about Missus Beaumont's parties, and they're talking about 849 01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:00.439 an account of the entertainment Missus Beaumont provided for her choice or guests. He 850 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.960 says, his eye caught by a word and phrase that followed it, and 851 01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:08.640 sick at heart, with white lips and cold sweat pouring down like water from 852 01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:15.560 his temples, he flung the paper down. It doesn't really say what he 853 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.199 read, but they said, is is horrible enough, but after all, 854 01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:23.279 it is an old story, an old mystery. Played in our day and 855 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:27.520 in dim London streets instead of amidst the vineyards and the olive gardens. So 856 01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:32.039 what do you make of that? Well, I think there's a continuous motif 857 01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:36.920 in this of people coming across artifacts like we mentioned, and then living art, 858 01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:40.840 you know, living or dead artifacts. That those are the terms mentioned 859 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:43.720 in Donnie Darko that I just did. So I keep using artifacts, but 860 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:49.279 faces, faces and pieces of paper that indicate absolute shock and horror at the 861 01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:54.039 thing that they're finding in the labyrinth. And again this also occurs, just 862 01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:57.199 to jump back on page fifty eight. Why because it made my blood run 863 01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.119 cold to see that man's face. I could never have supposed that such an 864 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.640 infernal medley of passions could have glared out of any human eyes. I almost 865 01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:08.720 fainted as I looked. I looked, I knew I looked into the eyes 866 01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:12.119 of a lost soul, that man no longer belonged to this world. It 867 01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:16.399 was a devil's face I looked upon. So the I suppose the paper that 868 01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:20.600 they're finding at this point is what's on the paper? Is it part of 869 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:24.880 the description of the ritual? At that point, I think it was her, 870 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:29.640 a sketch of her face that they're putting two and two together like this 871 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:33.920 is also this person or whatever? Right I wanted to ask you what the 872 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:41.600 symbol was on page sixty five, So sixty five sixty six he says, 873 01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.520 we know what happened to those who chanced to meet the great God Pan, 874 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:49.560 and those who are wise know that all symbols were symbols of something, not 875 01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:56.560 of nothing. It was indeed an exquisite symbol beneath which men long ago veiled 876 01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.680 their knowledge of the most awful, most secret forces which lie the heart of 877 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:02.119 all things. What do you think that symbol was? Because then they go 878 01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:10.720 on to talk about electric currents and such forces cannot be named, cannot be 879 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:14.560 spoken, cannot be imagine, except under a veil and a symbol, A 880 01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:16.840 symbol to the most of us, appearing a quaint, poetic fancy to some 881 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.640 a foolish tale. What do you think that symbol is? A terror that 882 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:25.680 may dwell in the secret place of life? I think that well. By 883 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.399 alluding to a symbol and not naming the symbol, but then in the same 884 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.079 paragraph talking about how symbols are symbols of something, not of nothing, it's 885 01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:38.960 interesting. There's a weird there's a weird play being there's something weird happening here 886 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:42.880 in terms of the play on language and in terms of what we're supposed to 887 01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:47.560 imagine. So this is one example of the book is great at showing us 888 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:51.960 the thing, right, and they show us the horror, but they don't 889 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:55.840 tell us an exposition what it is. And the rest of a lot of 890 01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:58.640 the book is exposition, but in terms of the actual horrific things. But 891 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:01.319 this part it's it's like we get to a thing and they say that there's 892 01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:03.680 a symbol, it's a symbol of something, but then they don't show or 893 01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:10.560 name the symbol exactly. It didn't describe what it's a yes, so it's 894 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:14.600 supposed to be something that we can imagine, but we're left up to ultimate 895 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:16.039 horror to be able to imagine what it is. It could be a number 896 01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:19.520 of things, but it's almost more horrific. What is it? I was 897 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:24.760 thinking, symbol is it? It's the it's the anc. No, it's 898 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:31.199 prince. Remember that symbol that he used artist, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 899 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:35.119 which was which was like an anc with a little yeah. Well it 900 01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:39.720 was like man and woman with a little swirly do see. I thought it 901 01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:44.680 was to me, if I imagine something like this, something that's commonplace, 902 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:48.359 but it is supposed to be something that's even deeper, and I imagine the 903 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:56.279 spiral, and and because I think that's that's so ingrained, I think once 904 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.520 you cross a certain Okay, so in terms of if you are in this 905 01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:02.920 sort of circle of people, who are you know, reading this sort of 906 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:08.239 stuff and in the general you know, conspiracy world, and you're reading about 907 01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:11.640 those things, there's a point at which you can't return, right, And 908 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:18.119 for me, that point is learning about the the PG the p Gate stuff 909 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:23.079 and the conspiracy of silence. I don't want to say, but people know 910 01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:27.560 what that is. But when I see that, that to me is a 911 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:31.800 commonplace symbol. And it's about energy, right. It's like a revolving hurricane, 912 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:38.640 the swirling of the psyche inside the brain, the jumbling of the brain 913 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:43.640 stew that the doctors are creating in these in these people, and also the 914 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:47.880 circles of hell. But it's swirling downwards. And it's also something that occurs 915 01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:53.359 in all It occurs in Pan's Labyrinth, it occurs in Hook. I didn't 916 01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:58.960 see it in Peter Pan and Wendy, but it's something that it seems to 917 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:02.359 be indicative of the a sort of sex magic ritual tied in with you know, 918 01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:06.439 a hellish vision. Yeah, what about that? The black and white 919 01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:12.079 spiral of the hypnotists us. Right, it's kind of right, going, 920 01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:15.359 yeah, going down deeper into yourself, into the subconscious mind. Yeah, 921 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:19.800 I mean, what's worse than that? That is hell right? Yeah, 922 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:25.119 being trapped inside your own mind like that. Yeah. So here at the 923 01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:31.840 climax of the story, the guys who figure out that Missus Helen v. 924 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:36.920 Missus Beaumont, all of these people are the same. He says he's gonna 925 01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:42.159 go to her house, and he says, I shall offer her a choice 926 01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:45.000 alone with this chord in a locked room for fifteen minutes. If we go 927 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:48.720 in it's not done, I shall call call the nearest policeman. That is 928 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:59.680 all. So there's really nothing in the storyline after that except for this papers 929 01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:04.479 by a doctor, the fragments of the doctor who witnessed what happened when they 930 01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:13.199 to confront Missus Beaumont, and the doctor says, I was privileged or a 931 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.119 cursed to see that which was on the bed line. They're black like ink 932 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:20.000 transformed before my eyes, the skin and the flesh and the muscles and the 933 01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:24.039 bones, and the firm structure of the human body that I had thought to 934 01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:27.840 be unchangeable and permanent as adamant began to melt and dissolve. So this is 935 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:34.720 what I was talking about in the beginning, the alchemical de evolution of Missus 936 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:45.520 Beaumont back into goo or the primordial ooze of panspermia. Okay, right, 937 01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:51.840 And he says, I saw the form waiver from sex to sex, dividing 938 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:57.960 itself from itself, and then again reunited. Then I saw the body descend 939 01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:01.119 to the beasts which it ascended, and that which was on the heights go 940 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:04.159 down to the depths, even to the abyss of all beings. Yeah, 941 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:12.319 so down, so dissolving into the stidgy and blackness, Yes, of black, 942 01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:18.920 luminous hell, surrounded by the beasts of pandemonium. Right, all the 943 01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:23.800 devils are there, pan And yeah, even to the abyss of all being 944 01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:29.239 you said, also, of course, eighteen eighty eight is the manuscript on 945 01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:38.239 page seven, page seventy. And one more thing, just in terms of 946 01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:41.920 the construction of the book, Like when you look at the book, just 947 01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:45.439 when you look at the page, see how the difference between this page and 948 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:47.199 this page right here, And one of the one of the differences is that 949 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:54.239 one thing that's pretty clever about this is that oftentimes, in literature, the 950 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:59.279 great literature, has this synthesis of form and content. Form plus content equals 951 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:03.439 meaning. And it's almost more difficult to do in pros because in a poem 952 01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:08.239 you have the immediate construction of the form on the page, so like when 953 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:11.279 you're looking at a sonnet, you have fourteen lines and you see it right 954 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:14.479 on the page, or you have sesstats or you know. But in this 955 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.640 in pros, where everything is thrown onto a page, it's more difficult to 956 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.439 do, and it as to the meaning, relies more on the content. 957 01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:27.079 But here what we see is that throughout the book, whenever we get when 958 01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:31.159 we know in a subtle way, when we're being led towards something horrific, 959 01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:35.960 because the paragraphs will often get longer and unbroken, and they'll either be short 960 01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:41.920 paragraphs with simple things, simple imagery, the simple horror of you know, 961 01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:45.439 of that we can't even expect, or they'll be longer, Like I wrote, 962 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:53.479 longer paragraphs is unbroken, the unbroken sharing of the thought, of the 963 01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:00.359 of the awful shock of black deeds and symbols. And again the word the 964 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.439 word play like in that paragraph unknown goal, black, faded, grimed, 965 01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:10.880 black dust, winner, I saw what was required, dull street, quiet, 966 01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:14.479 no sunshine, no air. So in other words, the words almost 967 01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:17.560 pop out at you like like a code. But but it's carefully chosen. 968 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:23.399 And even what you just read, you said the word adamant. The word 969 01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:28.680 yeah, permanent as adamant. Well, Adamant is related to like that's in 970 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:34.199 Paradise lost Adamantine chains. So sat Satan is like held down at the shores 971 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:39.640 of the Lake of Fire in Adamantine chains. So they're they're permanent, they're 972 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:44.760 they're unbreakable relating to adam they're they're from the beginning of creation. So they're 973 01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:47.760 they're they're they're unbreakable. That's where you get in the Marvel movies Adamantium. 974 01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:54.279 Oh yeah, okay, So but I thought it was you know, this 975 01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:58.399 is a well, this is a well done, a well done book. 976 01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:05.439 I know there's more. There's the fragments and the hideous transformation. On page 977 01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:09.840 seventy and seventy two, it's almost like he sees a Batha mat exactly. 978 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:13.199 Yeah, in the in the Abyss before Death, which is the Pan he 979 01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:16.399 sees the great god Pan, I suppose. Yeah, So what had happened 980 01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:21.039 was the guys went to confront Missus Beaumont. They convinced her to kill herself. 981 01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:26.439 And the interesting thing about this book is the main character you never hear 982 01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:32.159 from her. You never hear her speak. You only see the wake of 983 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:43.039 destruction that she has caused. So it's almost like just this force instead of 984 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:46.279 an actual character. So is she like an avatar for Pan himself? You 985 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:51.319 know, we never see him. Yeah, She's Pan's daughter, right of 986 01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:56.600 course, if you're reading it in a more materialistic way or like a rational 987 01:20:56.720 --> 01:21:00.520 way, you would read it as she's the daughter of the side scientists who 988 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.239 impregnated Mary before he gave her the little botomy, because that would explain the 989 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:10.880 tender kisses and stuff. Look in his eyes, he's eyes, he has 990 01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:17.520 her hoofs Okay. So yeah, when the Missus Beaumont, Pan's daughter, 991 01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:27.279 Helen V kills herself, and the doctor had witnessed what happened when she was 992 01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:32.199 like morphing into the evolutionary goo. He says, I watched and at last 993 01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:38.279 I saw but a substance as jelly. I saw form shaped in dimness before 994 01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:42.079 me, which I will not farther describe. But the symbol of this form 995 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:46.720 may be seen in ancient sculptures and in paintings which survived beneath the lava too 996 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:50.920 foul to be spoken of as a horrible and unspeakable shape. Either man nor 997 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:58.199 beast was changed into human form. There came finally death. This is also 998 01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:00.800 like under the Skin. Yeah, I mean in that it's an you know, 999 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:05.199 it's an alien ghoul demon, right, But she meets the guy in 1000 01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:08.279 the woods. There's a scene at the end where she meets the guy in 1001 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:12.439 the woods. They're in They're in Scotland. She meets the guy in the 1002 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:16.720 woods and then she seduces him Scar Joe gets naked, and then she takes 1003 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:20.079 off her human skin suit and she's the black goog ghoul. Yeah, and 1004 01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:24.520 then it goes into the blackness of It's just like in Stranger Things with the 1005 01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:30.439 upside down. There's the black pool and then like consumes his body as a 1006 01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:34.079 shell and it just kind of floats like a ribbon. Yeah, So I 1007 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:38.720 suppose it's the same sort of I was gonna say that about Neverland too. 1008 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:43.079 It is like the upside down in Stranger Things. Oh yeah, yeah, 1009 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:47.520 we'll get to that in a second, because yeah, okay, So in 1010 01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:51.720 kind of like the epilogue or whatever, they talk about one of these guys 1011 01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:58.199 going back to the village where Helen b grew up by the Roman walls, 1012 01:22:58.279 --> 01:23:00.560 and it says, I looked over the middle where once had stood the older 1013 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:05.279 temple of the God of the deeps. It was the house where Helen lived. 1014 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:13.359 And they're talking about a museum in that town containing Roman remains which have 1015 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:23.039 been found in the neighborhood, and a pillar with an ex An inscription to 1016 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:28.279 the Great God, notings the God of the Great Deep or abyss labs Selenist 1017 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:31.119 has erected this pillar on account of the marriage which he saw beneath the shade. 1018 01:23:31.239 --> 01:23:36.039 What do you make of that? Well, the inscription reminds me of 1019 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:43.159 a cipher, you know, and it's like a coded cipher. And it's 1020 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:47.600 a monolith. I mean they find a monolith, right uh, And this 1021 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:53.079 is you see the same thing walking into Pan's labyrinth. You see this sort 1022 01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:59.880 of monolith appearing in the in the at the entrance way, at the entrance 1023 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:06.760 into the labyrinth, and you see the same oftentimes in like Nordic or or 1024 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.319 even in I want to I think it's in the in the Iliad, you 1025 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:16.039 see you see a monolith or like some sort of statue or something set up 1026 01:24:16.119 --> 01:24:20.479 that's supposed to be in memoriam for somebody great. But in this it's it's 1027 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:26.960 it's the opposite. It's inverted world. Right. And and then we see 1028 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.119 I talked to you beyond the shadows and of the god pin. You remember 1029 01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:32.760 Mary, She was the mother of Helen Vaughan, who was born nine months 1030 01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:36.960 after that night, so we know that it's the child of the what's the 1031 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.399 Christopher Lee movie? Is? Is it I the Devil one where he's doing 1032 01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:46.680 the ritual? Yeah? Right, yeah, Human flesh may become the veil 1033 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:51.319 of horror. One dare not express. Helen Vaughan did was this page seventy 1034 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:54.880 seven in the middle of Helen Vaughan did well to bind the quarter about her 1035 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:58.439 neck and die. That death was horrible, to black and face the hideous 1036 01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:03.720 form of death. Strange hard that you witness surprises me but little. And 1037 01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:10.600 now Helen is with her companions dot dot dot Yeah, in hell, Yeah, 1038 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:15.000 in hell, she's down there with Beelza blah. But I suppose I 1039 01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.520 wonder why it was so easy for them to get her to do that. 1040 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:26.319 They never really said. I guess maybe life was just too big, she's 1041 01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:29.800 bored of it, or I don't know, maybe she was tired of humans 1042 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:31.039 and wanted to go back to Hell. I don't know. Yeah, she 1043 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:35.560 wanted to pierce the veil back to her hell world and hang out with her 1044 01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:41.439 ghouls and goblins. Yeah. So the marriage which she saw beneath the shade, 1045 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:46.439 I don't know. Does that remind you of any mystery place? Well, 1046 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:53.960 I mean, yeah, isn't that. Well, the first thing I 1047 01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:57.840 think of is the nymphs running wild in the shade in the buccanal right, 1048 01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:04.399 So it's it's an rg y, isn't it. And of course nymph is 1049 01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:11.239 where we get the word nympho jack right right, And like we said in 1050 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:15.000 Alvid, you know Avid pursuing, you know, the fawns and the sayers 1051 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:19.239 that pursued this nymph, I guess in the shade of the shade of the 1052 01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:24.119 Glady River, amazing meandering through the woodland, you know, and she transforms 1053 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:29.079 into a read Yeah, can you imagine reading this in the ladies, you 1054 01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:34.840 know, you'd be like, oh, scandalous sounds just sounds like last night 1055 01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:42.600 Mary Winston salon the same thing. We just got back from hell Fire Club 1056 01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:46.159 and uh yeah right, yeah. Benjamin Franklin was there. He loved the 1057 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:51.119 story. Yeah, hear that story about Ben Franklin having all those bodies buried 1058 01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:58.520 in his house in London. Yeah, well that was a great god pant 1059 01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:02.680 still some mysterious things in it, but I think we covered it pretty well. 1060 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:11.000 It was a really good horror novella. I could see why a lot 1061 01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:17.920 of the horror writers look up to him. So let's continue down this labyrinth 1062 01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:24.720 spial spiral and talk about Pans Labyrinth two thousand. Yes, well, there's 1063 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:29.840 there's There's two things I was gonna just mention in terms of literary references before 1064 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:32.800 we get to those, because I think they're relevant. And one is I'll 1065 01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:35.199 get to this one second, because it's the Queen mab speech for Rummy and 1066 01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:39.520 Juliet. But the one that I really wanted to mention to bring into this, 1067 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:45.560 which might be too esoteric for people I don't know, but is I'll 1068 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:51.159 just I'll just summarize the whole thing. Because it's in It's in Ted Hughes. 1069 01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:55.479 It's in Ted Hughes's collected poems. He has a poem called Pan and 1070 01:27:55.560 --> 01:28:01.399 then another one called Weigi and I originally found this in the journals of Sylvia 1071 01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:06.359 Plath. And then there's a book called Winner Pollen, which is by Ted 1072 01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:11.479 Hughes, and this is all of his Ted Hughes was the poet Laureate. 1073 01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:17.000 He wrote the poem rain Charm for the Duchy, which was written for the 1074 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:21.119 new the newly born Prince Harry in nineteen eighty four. And he was the 1075 01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:24.800 Poet Laurean until nineteen ninety eight when he died. But he wrote a book 1076 01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:28.359 called Birthday Letters, which was a kind of a revision of his life with 1077 01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:31.920 Sylvia Plathith Sylvia Plath, it's a famous American poet who died at age thirty 1078 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:35.359 two in nineteen sixty three, I think. But so here's what happened. 1079 01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:40.840 So so so everybody people probably know about Sylvia Plath, and and now she 1080 01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:44.600 you know, committed s side and in London. But there's a story that 1081 01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:48.920 I read in her account in her journals about how Ted Hughes and Sylvia Plath 1082 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:57.880 were interested in esoterica and the occult, especially Ted Hughes, and and they 1083 01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:01.039 would they started playing around with playing around with a Wuiji board, and eventually 1084 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:09.000 they realized they were talking to be like a being. They weren't just talking 1085 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:13.199 to nothingness. They were talking to something with a voice. And of course, 1086 01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:16.439 in true you know, Esoturk fashion, they reached out to ask the 1087 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:20.880 name of this being, and the being presented himself as Pan. His name 1088 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:27.119 was Pan, and Ted Hughes became obsessed with Pan. And this is like 1089 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:36.079 the start of Sylvia Plaids downward spiral into madness and mania. And she says 1090 01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:40.720 that one day they were sitting like in a glade. I think it was 1091 01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:43.640 in the Lake districts. I think it was in Cumbria, but they were 1092 01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:45.439 sitting, they were sitting there, you know, having a good time, 1093 01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:47.880 having a picnic, and she turned and you know, Ted Hughes turned to 1094 01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.000 her. They were married, and you know, they were loving couple, 1095 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:54.399 both successful, well, he was a successful poet at the time. But 1096 01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.800 then he turned and then he turned back, and she said that his eyes 1097 01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:01.439 were black, he had the black horble eyes of someone possessed, and that 1098 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:06.039 he grabbed her by the throat and he strangled her and pushed her down on 1099 01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:09.199 the ground and he was on top, and she thought she was going to 1100 01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:12.239 die. And then at the moment of death, and she looked up and 1101 01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:14.840 his eyes were black and it wasn't She said, it wasn't him. And 1102 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.119 then and then right at the moment of death, he released and then he 1103 01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:21.279 sat back up. And then she sat back up and turned and looked at 1104 01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:25.239 him and was like, what, what was that? And he turned and 1105 01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:27.199 he said, Oh, it's a lovely day we're having. And he was 1106 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:31.239 a totally different person. And she said that this terrified her so much that 1107 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:35.439 she was sure that it was Pan that did this to her. And it 1108 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:40.239 makes sense in light of what we just read, especially in the arboreal setting, 1109 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:44.000 and she had been obsessed with Pan. In fact, on one of 1110 01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:54.079 her most famous poems is Daddy Poem Daddy, and she's talking about I won't 1111 01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:56.760 read the whole poem, and I can't. I can't even read the It's 1112 01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:59.399 a great poem in terms of the cannon, and I can't. I can't 1113 01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:00.600 even read it. Of some of the terms in here. It's very it's 1114 01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:03.640 very there's a lot of violence in the poem, so I can't really read 1115 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:08.640 it, but there is one part where she says, on page fifty eight, 1116 01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:13.119 she says, of this of Ariel, which was the Pulitzer Prize in 1117 01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:15.239 the poem, Daddy, and the stands that She says, you stand in 1118 01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:17.359 the blackboard, Daddy, in the picture I have of you a cleft in 1119 01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:21.159 your chin instead of your foot. But no less a devil for that, 1120 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:25.640 No, not any less. The black man who bit my pretty red heart 1121 01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:30.319 in two I was ten when they buried you. So she's which is a 1122 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:34.279 pan image a cleft foot. He had a calls some Panzerman panzer man. 1123 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:38.960 His name was Otto Plath and he was Austrian. And she sees various, 1124 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:43.239 you know, allusions to other historical events that you know, I can't name, 1125 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:47.000 but but she sees the cleft foot and she she later goes on at 1126 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:51.840 the end of the poem, She's The poem ends with she says, I've 1127 01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:55.560 if I've killed one man, I've killed two. The vampire who said he 1128 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:58.319 was you and drank my blood for a year seven years. If you want 1129 01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:00.399 to know, Daddy, you can lie back down. Now there's a steak 1130 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:04.520 in your fat black heart. The villagers never liked you. They are dancing 1131 01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:09.159 and stamping on you. They always knew it was you, Daddy, Daddy, 1132 01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:14.760 you bastard. I'm through, she says, so so seems to be 1133 01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.800 a poem of stuff to her. Yes, some bad some bad stuff happening, 1134 01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.720 which is not just I'm not just saying all this randomly. Obviously that's 1135 01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:25.640 tied in with the Pan imagery that we've just been reading. Yeah, so 1136 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:29.680 and the other I won't read this whole soliloquy, but this is there's a 1137 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:32.720 lot in terms of what we're gonna talk about the movies, and I see 1138 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:39.079 tinker Bell, and we didn't really talk about tinker Bell that much or Tiger 1139 01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:43.239 Lily because we haven't there's so much in the Peter Pan book. But Tinkerbell 1140 01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:47.319 is obviously taken from Queen mab which is in Romeo and Juliet, Act one, 1141 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:50.560 scene four, when Marcuccio gives his soloquy. I mentioned this last week, 1142 01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:56.079 but he says, then I see Queen Mabbeth's been with you. She's 1143 01:32:56.119 --> 01:32:59.079 the Faiy's midwife, and she comes in shape no bigger than a nagget stone 1144 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:02.319 on the forefinger of an Alderman drawn with a team of little adami over men's 1145 01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:05.880 noses as they lie asleep, and he talks about her wagon spokes made of 1146 01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:10.439 long spinner's legs, the cover of the wings of grasshopper, her traces of 1147 01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:14.680 the smallest spiderweb, her collars of the moonstone's watery beams, her whip of 1148 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:17.119 cricket's bone, the lash of film or wagon or a small gray coated nat 1149 01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:23.800 So it's an esoterics, you know, soliloquy where he's talking about how in 1150 01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:27.079 the context of me, he's talking about how Romeo has been asleep and he's 1151 01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:31.960 been seduced by his you know, his new love for Juliet after rosaline. 1152 01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:38.640 But in terms of like the imagery of being asleep and overtaken by fairies going 1153 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:42.600 to another world. And it's a tiny little fairy who has all these natural 1154 01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:46.920 there's a lot of natural imagery right with the moonstones and the crickets and the 1155 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:50.640 and we see that at pants Labyrinth, right where's she says, Oh, 1156 01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:56.279 oh, it's a it's a fairy, but it's like a little like cricket 1157 01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:59.800 grasshopper thing, right, is that the one where she rides in an acorn 1158 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:06.000 yeah, remember that. I don't know why. So there's a lot more. 1159 01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:11.840 I mean, I I found the Keats poem Japan. There's the Shelley 1160 01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:16.439 poem to Pan. There's Swinburne, there's Elizabeth Barrett Browning, which talks about 1161 01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:20.760 Pan and Syrinx, and then and then my favorite, which if we have 1162 01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:25.199 time, I'll get to it. But my favorite is my favorite poet, 1163 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:29.119 Arthur Rambau, French poet eighteen fifty four eighteen ninety one, and he has 1164 01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:33.439 he has multiple poems in his book Illuminations. He wrote Illuminations and a Season 1165 01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:36.439 and How, which is a kind of a kind of a Gnostic gospel as 1166 01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:42.479 poem, prose poem, and and in his collective poems he talks about the 1167 01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:46.720 fawns. He often makes reference to the fawns in nature. So that's going 1168 01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:49.039 to tie in with what we're about to talk about, I think. So 1169 01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:55.560 that's so crazy that they were doing wegi board talking to Pan. Yeah, 1170 01:34:55.960 --> 01:35:01.760 because have you ever heard of a lady named Tracy Twyman. Okay, so 1171 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:13.000 she was kind of like a esoteric researcher in maybe like twenty twelve Fish, 1172 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:20.840 and she was doing this whole series about her and the Luigi War talking to 1173 01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:28.680 Baphome, right, and I'm you know, we met her at conferences, 1174 01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:33.640 we did shows and stuff, so she was an acquaintance who knew a lot 1175 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:40.399 about esoteric things. And as soon as she started doing these channelings of Baphome, 1176 01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:45.960 she called it, things started to go downhill. And then she died 1177 01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:53.439 mysteriously. And some people don't know if it was by her own hand or 1178 01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:57.319 what story there, because it was just so weird, but it had something 1179 01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:01.439 to do with talking to Baphome on Luigi War. Bad bad news, folks. 1180 01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:08.159 Yeah, please do not try to contact spirit world with the wei ward. 1181 01:36:08.600 --> 01:36:11.119 This is bad news, folks. This is not a good first date 1182 01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:15.239 idea. No to contact the Weigi board. We just watched this horrible movie 1183 01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:21.199 last night about like this hand that if you shake it then you become possessed. 1184 01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:31.319 And it's like people voluntarily yeah, admit themselves to these gullies, right, 1185 01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:33.640 yeah, yes, yes, well that I guess that's the point. 1186 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:40.159 Right, They're voluntarily walking into it and asking questions, and and you must 1187 01:36:40.239 --> 01:36:44.640 to say I let you in, right, right, yes, And I 1188 01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.760 suppose it. I suppose it. A lot of it is determined by your 1189 01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:53.199 belief system and your what do they call it intentionality? Is that a word? 1190 01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:58.319 But the poem here, I've got the at the beginning of the poem 1191 01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:01.800 Wigi from Ted use and it's a long poem, so I'm not going to 1192 01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:08.640 read the whole thing, but he says, Wuigi always bad news. From 1193 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:11.960 the Ouiji board. We spelled out the alphabet fringe the arena of your coffee 1194 01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.560 table, with the letters two goals yes at one end, know it the 1195 01:37:14.600 --> 01:37:17.079 other. Then leaned our middle fingers lolling on the on the bottom of the 1196 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:23.000 upturned glass for volity darkening to solemn apprehension. Respectfully, we summoned a spirit. 1197 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:27.359 It was easy as fishing for eels in the warm summer darkness, and 1198 01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:30.640 hardly a minute before the glass begin and knows that the letters then the circle 1199 01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:35.439 thoughtfully, and some occult pickpocket had slit the soul's silk and fingered us. 1200 01:37:35.479 --> 01:37:41.119 But we explained it easily. Yeah, And then the poem pan which is 1201 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:49.000 short. Ted hughes right, and this is out of his book. Forget 1202 01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:53.880 which book this is out of, but pant he writes, flowers, flowers, 1203 01:37:54.479 --> 01:38:00.079 open pits of allure, the beast's glance makes the ghost faint invitation and 1204 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:03.560 the bird's throat a goblet full wet mouth and hot under softness where the heart 1205 01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:09.119 struggles at the surface, abandonment of water, long openings, disheveled silks, 1206 01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:13.000 and nakedness of what resists nothing, the painful, stiff grace of insects, 1207 01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:16.960 making the stones ache so earthly, earth, so early earth, in stifled 1208 01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:20.680 convulsion with bellowings, with gas roots torn up, with life gushing from the 1209 01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:25.800 body, and relief as eye widens against iye, with death and hot bracket 1210 01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:29.880 and birth under catskins. He yields her daughters. Now he's actually talking about 1211 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.720 panning, like panning for gold, because it's yielding up your daughter, you 1212 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:39.359 know, the gold daughters of the earth. Right. But it's clearly the 1213 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:45.520 figurative is clearly talking about pan in terms of his demon god here. And 1214 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.119 Ted Hughes is an interesting poet because I mean, I mean, I know, 1215 01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:51.640 I'm talking pretty far into talking about poetry here, which most people probably 1216 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:56.159 go home. But but if there's somebody to if you want to, if 1217 01:38:56.359 --> 01:39:00.520 anybody out there wanted to understand anything about modern poetry, I would say that 1218 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:02.359 Ted Hughes is the place to start. I mean, if you can read 1219 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:10.760 the Hawk and the Rain or Crow or lupracoll or a wolf watching and they 1220 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:15.439 read so they read so so easily because the language is so strong and visceral 1221 01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:20.319 and you know exactly what he's talking about right away, even though the deeper 1222 01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:27.560 side of it and the subtext is something so dark and has this dark spiritual 1223 01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:30.840 nature to it. But it's important, I think, to understand it to 1224 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:34.479 read works like that because it sets the tone for modern literature, which mirrors 1225 01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:39.159 and and sort of leads the way for the way that we think in the 1226 01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:43.000 water culture. Well, and also you just made me think that it's the 1227 01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:50.760 same spirits that are inspiring people throughout the ages too. Yeah right, yes, 1228 01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:57.319 yeah, absolutely So, so what should we talk about now, hook, 1229 01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:02.239 let's do Let's go to Spain, Okay, alright, nineteen forty four 1230 01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:09.159 because this is the same year as the Peter Pan movie that we talked about 1231 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:15.439 last time, Pan, which is the name for their hero and not actually 1232 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:20.479 it's a title, right like Ward or something like that. So Spain nineteen 1233 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:32.039 forty four Fascist step Dad. And then oh this, I found out the 1234 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:39.880 fawn in Pan's Labyrinth was inspired by Garmo del Toro's lucid dreams. We have 1235 01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:43.960 about it. As a child, he said, at midnight he would wake 1236 01:40:44.079 --> 01:40:49.439 up and find a fawn coming out from behind a grandfather clock. So this 1237 01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:56.680 thing has been following Germo del Toro since he was a child. A Laborrinto 1238 01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:01.479 del followed us. Were you able to find one with English stub titles? 1239 01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:06.119 That wasn't all for me? Yeah? No, I just watched it in 1240 01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:21.720 the in the regular Spanish right, no better day? I remember that Garcia 1241 01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:28.079 Lorca. Have you been to Spain? Yeah you have? Yeah? Have 1242 01:41:28.199 --> 01:41:30.720 you been to Pan's Labyrinth? No? No, I did the Camino de 1243 01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:36.600 Santiago. Okay, well, I spent three wild weeks in Spain two thousand 1244 01:41:36.600 --> 01:41:39.960 and four, my last year of drama school. I flew to Spain for 1245 01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:44.079 three weeks and it was what an awesome country. It was amazing. It's 1246 01:41:44.159 --> 01:41:53.600 really cool. So in the opening sequence of this movie, they're talking about 1247 01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:59.399 an underground realm where there's no lies, no pain, and there's a princess 1248 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:01.840 who dreamt of the human world. She escaped and forgot where she came from. 1249 01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:11.960 So right off the bat, there's like persephone imagery coming out m there's 1250 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:20.399 the whole weird g R O O M I N G aspect of telling kids 1251 01:42:20.479 --> 01:42:24.079 like, oh, those aren't your parents. Your real parents are a king 1252 01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:27.720 and queen. I'll take you to meet them. That is like in a 1253 01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:36.199 lot of kids movies. Right. Yes, So this little girl she they're 1254 01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:42.239 driving to meet her stepfather, who was some kind of like fascist colonel or 1255 01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:49.760 whatever general, I don't know what was it above And on the way there 1256 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:55.920 she discovers this mysterious monument in the forest of a fawn with a missing eye. 1257 01:42:57.439 --> 01:43:00.199 So she puts the eye back in the socket and and this like fairy 1258 01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:05.119 bug appears right, and it was almost like the things that led up to 1259 01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:11.479 her finding this, we're like set up, you know. The bug leads 1260 01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:19.479 her to the hillar and this is just like the monument to notings that we 1261 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:26.279 were reading about in Great God Pan book. Yeah, it's interesting also that 1262 01:43:26.319 --> 01:43:29.640 you brought up that it's always a world where they where they say there's no 1263 01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:34.239 pain, right, which is but because it's the inverted world, they have 1264 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:42.319 to sacrifice, you know, make blood sacrifices and all this stuff and follow 1265 01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:45.880 a series of rituals and go through the the sequence in order to get there 1266 01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:51.760 instead of you know, instead of in a in the in a Christian you 1267 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:58.079 know, in Christianity, which is in revelation. You know, God will 1268 01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:02.000 wipe away every tear from your eyes. You're ear. You find yourself in 1269 01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:06.640 heaven and there's no more pain. There's no more sorrow, and there's really 1270 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:11.079 no pain right because you're with God, the Father, Son, and Holy 1271 01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:15.960 Spirit. Instead of making your way through this through this terrible series of rituals 1272 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:19.840 where you're place, yeah, into the underworld right where oh you know they're 1273 01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:23.640 they're a king and queen and you're a princess. We told you that even 1274 01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:27.880 though you're surrounded in darkness and there's a weird fawn demon that's yeah, right 1275 01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:32.239 and yeah, and we'll get to that in a second. Like she goes 1276 01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:36.640 down to meet the fawn and on the rock is like the fawn and her 1277 01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:42.399 and a baby. It's kind of like a weird trinity going on. We'll 1278 01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:47.359 get to that in a second. So she discovers this and she puts the 1279 01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:53.640 eye in and her initiation can begin, right. Yeah, And this is 1280 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:56.359 like kind of saying, now she's going to have the vision to see the 1281 01:44:56.439 --> 01:45:00.239 spirit world. Yeah, they're also in the car right before that, in 1282 01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:03.039 the car going through the woods in a caravan, right, and the and 1283 01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:05.760 her mother tells her, when you meet the captain, I'll refer to him 1284 01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:10.039 as father. So her f she has the lost fathers. You don't know 1285 01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:12.239 where her father is, but this guy's going to be your new father, 1286 01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:17.039 which is which is interesting. He died, right, So that's where her 1287 01:45:17.279 --> 01:45:21.680 father is in the underworld now, right. And for the folks at home, 1288 01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:24.359 of course, the movie takes it, like we were just saying, 1289 01:45:24.439 --> 01:45:27.359 takes place. You know, this is the Spanish Civil War in nineteen thirty 1290 01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:29.800 six to nineteen forty five. It's like nineteen forty four, I think, 1291 01:45:29.880 --> 01:45:32.600 is what you said. And they're in the mountains, you know, fighting 1292 01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:40.039 the rebels, and it's funny how the it's funny how the Phalangists are fighting 1293 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:45.680 in pristine uniforms. Oh yeah, right, where did you get that? 1294 01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:49.159 Right? And weren't they also fighting in World War two? Or were they 1295 01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:53.079 just doing their own things? Well, it was, it was. It 1296 01:45:53.239 --> 01:45:57.520 was parallel with World War two. And of course there's the I saw I 1297 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:03.520 saw Picasso's Guernica, which is everybody seen the Cubist painting of when Hotler sent 1298 01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:10.760 the Condor Legion over as a taskron to bomb city of Garenica right in Spain. 1299 01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:14.840 But that that was like the extent of their That was the extent of 1300 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:17.960 their overt involvement in War two, so it was parallel, but they weren't 1301 01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:25.000 involved with the greater war on the continent, even though it mimics that. 1302 01:46:25.079 --> 01:46:28.159 It mirrors that in a number of ways because you have fascist versus a communist 1303 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:34.960 and so forth. Right, So the captain Vidall, he is the archetype 1304 01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:42.439 of Saturn and time because he's always carrying around that watch, remember, right, 1305 01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:50.640 So we're tying this back into Capricorn again with the time pieces, and 1306 01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:56.159 he was like obsessed with the time of his father's death. So that's Saturn 1307 01:46:56.239 --> 01:47:04.399 again. And the little girl when she gets to the property where she's supposed 1308 01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:10.640 to be staying, she follows the pair the fairy under the arch of Pan 1309 01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:15.600 down the spiral staircase. So here's the spirals again. And we all know 1310 01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:28.479 about the FBI that they put out right that identifies child predators, and the 1311 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:32.039 biggest one is a spiral. And then you've got a spiral triangle, and 1312 01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:36.960 you've got a butterflies on there. I've believe like some kind of spiral heart 1313 01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:43.800 or like a heart within a heart. Yeah. So these are the identifying 1314 01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:51.680 symbols that they use to know each other in the wild child predators, Yeah, 1315 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:59.119 glyphs and sigils of the creeperist, evil, most ghoulish people. Yeah, 1316 01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:04.439 so you're gonna see spirals all over this movie. And of course the 1317 01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:09.720 fawn tells her she's a princess and her real father has opened portals all over 1318 01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:15.399 the world so she could return. Oh yeah, I forgot about that because 1319 01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:18.800 I thought of Donnie Darka. Have you ever seen a portal? Yeah? 1320 01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:24.760 So yeah, opening portals all over the world. And don't you think that 1321 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:29.960 freaking fawn was like the creepiest thing. And she's not even phased at all, 1322 01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:34.479 right, which says yeah, which says it's something to me about Guillermo 1323 01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:41.479 del Toro's like artistic vision, right, is that the things that I think 1324 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:47.640 probably normal people find repugnant and disconcerting and gross. You would automatically if you 1325 01:48:47.760 --> 01:48:50.760 if you see that, or if you see even if you see it in 1326 01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:55.800 any other you know, work, you automatically you run away or you are 1327 01:48:55.880 --> 01:49:00.000 you This is not good. Just the physiognomy of this fawn, because it's 1328 01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:03.319 not a fawn like in mythology, even where it's like, oh, they're 1329 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:10.880 at least they're pleasant creatures halfway cute, like mister Tumnus, Right, he's 1330 01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:18.159 like totally demonically yeah. And his ears hello, yeah he does. He 1331 01:49:18.279 --> 01:49:23.079 has firals on his head. Yes, yes, yes he did. Yeah, 1332 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:32.199 okay, so creepy uh fawd man Oh says she is born of the 1333 01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:40.680 Moon and the king of the underworld. Right, and Moon is if we're 1334 01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:46.640 following Salima and Oto and those kind of symbols, moon is Babylon, right, 1335 01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:54.840 the counterpart to Horace. This book talks all about lunar symbolism. That 1336 01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:59.439 Alister Crowley book talks about the rights of Luna. And then and then of 1337 01:49:59.520 --> 01:50:03.119 course, i'll it's metamorphosis talks about the passage. Right before that is talking 1338 01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:12.479 about Diana. So Diana Artemis, you know in the Woods, Syrinx is 1339 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:15.399 compared to Diana the way she holds up her dress when she's hunting. So 1340 01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:20.359 was she a moon child? Yeah, yeah, I mean she just said 1341 01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:24.399 child of the Moon, born of the Moon and the King of the underworld. 1342 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:28.479 And then he goes on to give her the Book of the Crossroads. 1343 01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:33.640 Surprise, Surprise, how and and buon Thugs at Harmon He started playing see 1344 01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:40.600 you at the cross Roads, and it's a blank book. It's a blank 1345 01:50:40.680 --> 01:50:44.800 book with blank pages that her Psyche writes in ink on the page to determine 1346 01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:47.760 the through three stages of the process. Does she have to go through three? 1347 01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:53.720 Just three stages? Are you trying to see quest? Three quests? 1348 01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:57.720 Before the moon is full? You were trying to remember the words to the 1349 01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:03.560 bone thugs long, You can't remember the words? Can't here. I'm gonna 1350 01:51:03.560 --> 01:51:06.319 miss it, everybody. I'm gonna miss it, and i'm gonna miss seven 1351 01:51:06.439 --> 01:51:12.039 money and I'm gonna miss seven ninety Yeah, living in a hateful worlds, 1352 01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:16.600 let me straight to head. Hell, I'm gonna a wonderful day and with 1353 01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:19.600 my minds. The first of the buns, smoking, joking, rolling blunts, 1354 01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:24.039 it's enough ounces again. Wow, we got the busting. Wow. 1355 01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:27.359 All nights we high. We got the buds. And when it's ninety nine, 1356 01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:30.079 I get and play, y'all what you need? We got weed? 1357 01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.279 Yeah. When we pray and we pray you and we pray. Yeah, 1358 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:41.920 okay, okay, So we talked about the cross was all the time. 1359 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.239 This is a super ancient thing, going by way back to the first cities 1360 01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:49.960 Mesopotamia where they would meet with the gods in the Zigaratte that is known as 1361 01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:57.359 the meeting point or the crossroads, and then go all the way to Robert 1362 01:51:57.399 --> 01:52:00.079 Shawson and the beginning of Rock and Ball where he sells his soul to the 1363 01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:04.399 devil at the crossroads. So whenever you see crossroads symbolism, this is going 1364 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:12.319 to be talking about meeting the devil at the very least meeting the spirit world 1365 01:52:12.439 --> 01:52:15.560 or whatever is on the other side. So the crossroads is the meaning point 1366 01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:20.439 between the mundane world and spirit world. Yeah. Eric Clapton's biography, he's 1367 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:29.279 he's got the Crossroads, the Crossroads rehab clinic, and then voodoo. Obviously 1368 01:52:29.359 --> 01:52:33.600 crossroads a huge and voodoo. So that's perfect little gift to give a little 1369 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:41.479 girl, I think from a demon underground YouTube book of the Crossroads. That's 1370 01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:47.840 innocent. But I did notice in one scene where she goes on her first 1371 01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:54.720 quest, she's dressed like Alison Wonderland. Did you notice that she goes into 1372 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:59.119 the tree just like Alison Wonderland. She goes into the roots of the Big 1373 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:05.359 Tree, which is passageways to Wonderland the other side Neverland. Yeah, and 1374 01:53:05.399 --> 01:53:10.239 they do that in Peter Pan as well. Remember they Peter fits the tree 1375 01:53:10.399 --> 01:53:15.479 around the Lost Boys so that they can descend into their underground underworld hovel. 1376 01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:19.079 You know, I mean, she's obviously liked this because the context of the 1377 01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:24.920 movie makes it so that she has this other world because number one, she's 1378 01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:27.159 a child and she's naturally going to go play in the woods and she's going 1379 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:30.600 to have her imagination world. But but it's it's tempered by the fact that 1380 01:53:30.880 --> 01:53:34.520 number one, they're in the middle of a literal war. So going out 1381 01:53:34.560 --> 01:53:38.279 into the woods is dangerous because it becomes a war zone. In the film, 1382 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:41.359 it becomes a war zone, and because there's a war zone in her 1383 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:45.520 heart with her missing father and her mother taking her up there to the to 1384 01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:47.000 this man, and then there's a war zone in terms of the way that 1385 01:53:47.079 --> 01:53:55.840 he, the father guy, makes war on her, right, I mean 1386 01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:59.760 literally what happens in the in the film. You know, she's a she's 1387 01:53:59.800 --> 01:54:03.439 a victim of like three types of war, and so of course she goes 1388 01:54:03.479 --> 01:54:06.800 out into the she has this other world where her imagination takes her, and 1389 01:54:06.920 --> 01:54:14.000 that becomes her new world and it takes over I mean, well the thing, 1390 01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:16.720 the thing with the root right like screaming in the in the fireplace, 1391 01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:23.680 which will get to right, she's creating like these magic these magic totems right 1392 01:54:23.800 --> 01:54:30.119 for the birth of her baby brother, where she's melding the spirit world and 1393 01:54:30.239 --> 01:54:33.720 the natural world and not natural world, not just naturalistic, but like the 1394 01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:41.279 natural fauna and flora right of the of the the labyrinthine world outside. So 1395 01:54:41.399 --> 01:54:45.000 it makes her, it makes her, It splits her right into this personality 1396 01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:48.039 where she doesn't know what's real and what's not, I guess is the point 1397 01:54:48.079 --> 01:54:56.720 of the film. Yeah, and the book has like foreshadowing too, so 1398 01:54:57.079 --> 01:55:00.000 like you said, it comes from her own psyche. And there's a scene 1399 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:02.479 where she opens it up and there's nothing on the page, but then it 1400 01:55:02.560 --> 01:55:06.960 starts to like bleed. Yeah, and that's like the night that her mom 1401 01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:14.159 died in childbirth, right, Yeah, it bleeds it, It bleeds inky 1402 01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:18.640 black on the page, just like the mockin book was talking about, right 1403 01:55:18.800 --> 01:55:26.920 exactly. So the second thing that she has to do for the demon Funness 1404 01:55:27.039 --> 01:55:30.359 Underground is go see the Paleman. Oh my gosh, this is the worst 1405 01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:36.319 part. That's probably the most memorable creature of the movie because he is super 1406 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:45.960 creepy. He's like disgusting. He's uh, soggy, He's he's soggy, 1407 01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:57.760 Yes, he is. He's grow Yeah, and he you know, depictions 1408 01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:02.239 of him eating children look a lot like Goya's chronos. They do. Yeah, 1409 01:56:02.399 --> 01:56:08.239 I'm sure that was purposeful. Yeah. And so she has to make 1410 01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:12.720 a portal in her room with a chalk, just like a circle or spell, 1411 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:17.920 and then she is in his layer and she has to steal something from 1412 01:56:17.960 --> 01:56:21.239 him with it. Yeah. Yeah, she creates a door in the dark 1413 01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:25.720 or a portal, just like in Beetle Juice, you know, a door 1414 01:56:25.960 --> 01:56:29.720 into the other world or back to the real world. But yeah, this 1415 01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:32.439 that that one scene is why, you know, honestly, I never I 1416 01:56:32.520 --> 01:56:40.119 avoided this movie for so many years because I just it's just so what's the 1417 01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:45.760 word not vascular, It's so like it's it's an unsettling movie. And I 1418 01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:48.960 also avoided Hook, but for different reasons. I know we're gonna get to 1419 01:56:49.000 --> 01:56:54.600 Hook later, but like, I just really don't like that movie at all. 1420 01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:57.600 I cannot stand in that movie. But it's for different than this, 1421 01:56:57.720 --> 01:57:03.199 which is like the overt just gross fantasmic gia. Yeah, yeah, it's 1422 01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:09.479 visceral phantasmagoria straight from Guillermo's like twisted you know, child mind or whatever. 1423 01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:15.720 But yeah, every night out coming out from behind your grandfather clock, how 1424 01:57:15.720 --> 01:57:19.720 would you grow up normally? Right, they're waking up like the creek creek, 1425 01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:23.159 right, and he's got to put the eyeballs in his hands. And 1426 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:27.000 the when the fairies are circling around his head and he's eating you know, 1427 01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:30.479 like you were just saying the Corono's imagery of eating the fair it's just oh 1428 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:33.920 my gosh. And then chasing her down the labyrinth like halls and you're like, 1429 01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:38.439 oh my god, please make this doorway into the sea to get out 1430 01:57:38.479 --> 01:57:43.720 of here. You just gave me chills again. Yes, So the test 1431 01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:49.680 was she wasn't supposed to eat anything from his table because they wanted to know 1432 01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:55.600 that she did not have any attachments to the physical world, because they were 1433 01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:59.079 trying to bring her into the spirit wall and she has to be able to 1434 01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:01.159 let go of all that. That part was so annoying. It's like, 1435 01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:06.000 don't eat the pomegranate, right, I mean, and you're going and she 1436 01:58:06.439 --> 01:58:11.079 she picks the grapes, right, so she's don't eat the pomegranate, don't 1437 01:58:11.359 --> 01:58:15.199 don't taste of the app you don't pluck the apple off the tree, just 1438 01:58:15.439 --> 01:58:17.960 don't do it. Then it's like she eats it and like savors it, 1439 01:58:18.039 --> 01:58:21.279 and the fairies are like literally like, don't do it, don't do it, 1440 01:58:21.359 --> 01:58:24.720 and she's like swatting them away, and you're like, oh my gosh, 1441 01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:28.399 you kind of lose sympathy at that point. Oh totally. It's like 1442 01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:31.720 it's ridiculous because he literally said, like five minutes ago, whatever you do, 1443 01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:34.720 don't eat anything, and she's like, oh, I'm just gonna eat 1444 01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:39.600 something, right, And they got food up in that cabin. Yeah, 1445 01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:43.479 right, you know they're eating there. What do they you know they got 1446 01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:46.880 top us up there, right, don't eat don't eat the damn grape. 1447 01:58:47.079 --> 01:58:50.880 Don't eat the damn grape. When the skin man is at the head of 1448 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:54.479 the table right there, Why would you eat the food? I know it's 1449 01:58:54.520 --> 01:58:58.520 so gross, and but it is very much like eve. It is a 1450 01:58:58.640 --> 01:59:05.560 plantation of eves. So she fell and she awakened. The child eater is 1451 01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:10.560 that what they call him? They call him the paleman? Right, But 1452 01:59:10.720 --> 01:59:13.760 He's like, yeah, yeah, he's a child. What is it in 1453 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:17.159 Spanish? I'm gonna look at up real quick. I'm sure it's much more 1454 01:59:17.279 --> 01:59:23.279 lyrical. So Ophelia gets into temptation. Oh and her name comes from Shakespeare 1455 01:59:23.319 --> 01:59:27.840 too, so there's another Yeah, that's it does. Yeah. Oh, 1456 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:30.760 speaking of which, I'm in the middle of her. I don't know if 1457 01:59:30.800 --> 01:59:35.920 it's a hurricane hurricane Ophelia right now sink roal, Yeah, and I think 1458 01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:42.840 of Hamlet's Ophelia or Jim Morrison's Ophelia leaves sodden and silk chlorine, dream mad, 1459 01:59:42.920 --> 01:59:45.680 stifled, witness the angel man finally claims benevolent soul. Yeah, so, 1460 01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:51.720 so it's she's Ophelia in the movie, which is already foreshadowing us sad 1461 01:59:54.119 --> 02:00:00.600 ending for her. It's different than Ophelia and Hamlet. So then what happens? 1462 02:00:00.680 --> 02:00:08.600 Then the baby's born mother dies in childbirth, and the surprise the stepfather 1463 02:00:08.760 --> 02:00:15.880 is a heartless Yeah, general or captain who just wants a male descendant, 1464 02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:21.279 right right. They they did flesh out his character a little bit, like 1465 02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:27.039 he didn't even care about the mom, right because at that dinner scene, 1466 02:00:27.079 --> 02:00:30.479 the mom was trying to tell him their romantic story and he's like shut up 1467 02:00:30.600 --> 02:00:34.720 or whatever. He just totally invalidated her. Yeah, in front of everybody. 1468 02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:40.640 What can you see? Yeah, yeah, it's nasty, says he's 1469 02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:47.399 a pale skinned humanoid monster by a lambre bylo or something. He's gone. 1470 02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:57.840 But yeah, so the mother is a vast yes, yes, Americano non 1471 02:00:57.920 --> 02:01:06.840 fato no h. So she's a vessel, right, yeah, she's a 1472 02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:11.039 vessel for him for his male for his And they say, how do you 1473 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:13.159 know it's going to be a male baby, and he's like, he's like, 1474 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:16.159 basically like, don't let it be anything other than that. Yeah, 1475 02:01:16.479 --> 02:01:20.520 and he actually that's oh that's right. Yeah right, He's like, what 1476 02:01:20.600 --> 02:01:24.600 if it's a girl with me? Yeah, oh my gosh, yes, 1477 02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:28.039 don't yeah yeah, don't with this guy, right, dude, Well he 1478 02:01:28.159 --> 02:01:33.640 did to the Mountain people who really disturbing talk about scenes that you just like 1479 02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:39.960 cannot yeah body, body shock, horror where and it's literally, I mean 1480 02:01:40.000 --> 02:01:43.760 he caves in the guy's face. Yeah right, So, which plays into 1481 02:01:44.520 --> 02:01:46.760 you know, with the mac and book, right, because it's always about 1482 02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:51.680 the facial expression, and he he destroys the guy's face is even his very 1483 02:01:51.720 --> 02:01:56.000 appearance and the guy's dad is right there and he's like, you killed my 1484 02:01:56.119 --> 02:01:58.359 son, and then he kills the dad and then but he does you know 1485 02:01:58.439 --> 02:02:00.359 he's gonna do that, do whmember he comes across, and then he's got 1486 02:02:00.439 --> 02:02:03.840 his faithful minions, right. But then there's the one guy who screws it 1487 02:02:03.920 --> 02:02:06.079 up and he's like, don't screw it up again. And if you're that 1488 02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:10.880 guy, you're like, oh my gosh, like, yeah, don't mess 1489 02:02:10.920 --> 02:02:13.239 with this guy. He was like, next time, don't bother me with 1490 02:02:13.359 --> 02:02:15.760 stupid stuff, right, I won't. He's in there, he's in there, 1491 02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:21.319 he's got his he's shaving, right. Everything everything he does is I 1492 02:02:21.359 --> 02:02:25.159 mean, this guy plays a good bad guy, right, he is you 1493 02:02:25.319 --> 02:02:30.319 really fear this guy. I mean he's every motion that he does is like 1494 02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:35.960 full of maniacal lethality. It's like the guy could be eating right and he's 1495 02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:41.279 like, yeah, reaches for the glass of water, right, Like is 1496 02:02:41.319 --> 02:02:45.039 he going for a gun? Yeah. He's very suspenseful and intense, like 1497 02:02:45.239 --> 02:02:47.800 that one guy I can't remember his name in the Tarantino movie who played the 1498 02:02:47.880 --> 02:02:53.399 Nazi at the beginning. Yeah, he's very intentional with all of it. 1499 02:02:53.520 --> 02:03:01.760 And it's scary. Yeah. So the third west was it to bring him 1500 02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:08.239 the baby? Right? So what everyone wants this little male child. Yeah, 1501 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:14.600 and the fawn shows Ophelia the sculpture of him and her and her holding 1502 02:03:14.640 --> 02:03:19.479 the baby, yeah, which I don't know it is supposed to be like 1503 02:03:19.560 --> 02:03:25.079 a family tree or just her bringing him the sacrifice. But she brings the 1504 02:03:25.199 --> 02:03:29.479 baby to him, but then she won't give the baby to him, right, 1505 02:03:29.720 --> 02:03:33.239 right, right, so she kind of has a repentance at the end. 1506 02:03:33.720 --> 02:03:38.439 Was this when the so before that is when she got the root, 1507 02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:42.520 right, there's like a there's like a root shrub thing, and she gave 1508 02:03:43.479 --> 02:03:47.479 root to put drake, yeah, to put underneath the mom's bed so she 1509 02:03:47.600 --> 02:03:53.960 wouldn't have like pain in the pregnancy. And then the dad burned the man 1510 02:03:54.079 --> 02:03:57.920 drake, and that's when the mom died in Tobbart. So it's man dragara, 1511 02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:00.119 as Shakespeare says, and the man drake, I mean, you know 1512 02:04:00.199 --> 02:04:03.960 more about this, but the man drake is not only a kind of a 1513 02:04:04.039 --> 02:04:10.960 narcotic route used in the Renaissance, but also is full of It's supposed to 1514 02:04:11.039 --> 02:04:15.319 bleed when you pull it out of the earth. And and then when of 1515 02:04:15.439 --> 02:04:19.680 course the dad the man. The captain finds it under the bed, which 1516 02:04:19.760 --> 02:04:24.640 is actually clever in the in the movie that they did that, because that 1517 02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:30.680 is that that is you know, that does convey like the actual actions of 1518 02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:35.720 I mean, like the Nordics did this. I know this is a practice 1519 02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:39.680 like a witchcraft, like putting something under the bed, especially when someone's giving 1520 02:04:39.720 --> 02:04:42.720 birth, because it's near to the person and it's mimicking the baby in the 1521 02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:45.439 first place. And then he throws it in the fire and you see it 1522 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:48.199 screaming and wriggling. It's horrible. So yeah, that she takes so the 1523 02:04:48.239 --> 02:04:51.399 baby is born. But then but he also says like he says to the 1524 02:04:51.479 --> 02:04:55.199 doctor, and the doctor is the most noble character in this right because the 1525 02:04:55.279 --> 02:05:01.640 doctor is treating the rebels, but he's also has to treat the the captain, 1526 02:05:02.439 --> 02:05:06.079 and we know that he's giving I don't know what he's giving her. 1527 02:05:06.119 --> 02:05:10.000 I guess he's giving her like opium or laudnum, something for the pain. 1528 02:05:10.640 --> 02:05:12.520 And then he gives one of the guys who's tortured, you know, he 1529 02:05:12.520 --> 02:05:14.960 gives him a tincture, he gives him an injection so that he won't feel 1530 02:05:14.960 --> 02:05:17.199 the pain. And then you know, we know that he's working with the 1531 02:05:17.359 --> 02:05:21.560 maid or whatever in the house too. He's some sort of a not a 1532 02:05:21.640 --> 02:05:26.359 double agent, but he's working for both regardless of he knows he's probably gonna 1533 02:05:26.359 --> 02:05:30.439 die, you know. But the baby's born, and he said the captain 1534 02:05:30.520 --> 02:05:33.399 says to the doctor, if it's a choice between the mother and the baby, 1535 02:05:33.640 --> 02:05:38.560 save the baby, right. And Ophelia hears this, And then when 1536 02:05:38.600 --> 02:05:41.840 the baby's born, she takes the baby yeah, into the labyrinth and gives 1537 02:05:41.880 --> 02:05:45.840 it to the f And then of course we have him, we have him 1538 02:05:45.880 --> 02:05:48.800 angry with her before that. Right, why would I told you not to 1539 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:55.119 do this or whatever? I give you a second chance, right, and 1540 02:05:55.319 --> 02:05:58.319 he and then so she so she is that when she takes it down and 1541 02:05:58.359 --> 02:06:01.920 then into it like a stone circle that literally has a spiral in the stone 1542 02:06:01.960 --> 02:06:04.840 circle, and he meets the she meets the fawn there, yeah, and 1543 02:06:04.920 --> 02:06:11.119 he like wants some baby blood, yes, and she says no, yeah, 1544 02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:15.920 And she's smart enough to know that he's probably lying in terms of what 1545 02:06:15.039 --> 02:06:17.159 he wants. He says, oh, it would be just a little brick 1546 02:06:17.199 --> 02:06:23.399 and just a little and she knows that he's probably lying. And that's when 1547 02:06:23.479 --> 02:06:26.279 the captain appears. Is that when the captain appears in the circle. Yeah, 1548 02:06:26.960 --> 02:06:30.960 and the captain can't see the fawn. That's right. Now we are 1549 02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:36.920 wondering if this girl's having a breakdown or it's all in her imagination, or 1550 02:06:38.199 --> 02:06:42.399 she can see things that the adults can't. So it's not really explained. 1551 02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:46.600 But the movie has the darkest of all endings. Does He's also got a 1552 02:06:46.680 --> 02:06:53.000 joker smile. I forgot about that part where she the maid cuts him in 1553 02:06:53.039 --> 02:06:56.119 the mouth and he's and he sews it up. Yeah, so he's got 1554 02:06:56.239 --> 02:07:00.680 a a weird distorted like demonic smile cut into his face. But yes, 1555 02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:09.840 the dark ending. Yeah, and then she ends up through dying, ends 1556 02:07:09.920 --> 02:07:14.520 up beingcoming the Queen of the underworld, right, right, or the princess. 1557 02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:17.399 She meets her mom and her dad. So so the Ewoks, the 1558 02:07:17.520 --> 02:07:23.079 Ewoks come out of the woods and endor and sends circle circle Darth Vader, 1559 02:07:23.640 --> 02:07:26.920 Yeah, and shoot him in the head, and the care Bears come and 1560 02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:32.119 they shoot down with their care bear stairs of love and it was happy. 1561 02:07:33.079 --> 02:07:40.239 Yeah, And then she transcends into the underworld. So so her journey is 1562 02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:44.560 complete. I suppose what a dark movie. It is really dark, very 1563 02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:50.560 dark and on point with everything that we have been discussing. Yeah, because 1564 02:07:50.680 --> 02:07:57.039 Pan is the taker, He's the giver and the taker of life and death, 1565 02:07:57.199 --> 02:08:03.800 very Shiva character. Also, yeah, else and it's and it's Peter 1566 02:08:03.920 --> 02:08:09.880 Pan, you know, because she's a child. She's going on a you 1567 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:16.039 know, metaphysical journey outside of the territory of her home, searching for something 1568 02:08:16.119 --> 02:08:20.279 else, searching for searching for a neverland in the underworld, I suppose. 1569 02:08:20.640 --> 02:08:28.319 Yeah. Yeah, And it's always you know, maidens on the cusp of 1570 02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:35.560 womanhood right right right at the age where they would begin their minstreating or whatever 1571 02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:41.600 and becoming of age to learn about sexual things. So that is when Pan 1572 02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:46.439 pounces and funny, this one Goya. The Goya Award is the Spanish It's 1573 02:08:46.479 --> 02:08:50.720 like the Spanish oscars. That one really Yeah, when the Goya Award, 1574 02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:56.119 of course it is too. Yeah, all right, let's talk about Peter 1575 02:08:56.239 --> 02:09:01.039 Pan and Windy. Okay, this one in there for you guys. Extra 1576 02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:09.359 little nugget twenty twenty three. Peter Pan and Wendy is the live action remake 1577 02:09:09.560 --> 02:09:16.199 of the nineteen fifty three cartoon Walt Disney. Peter Yeah, not awesome. 1578 02:09:16.079 --> 02:09:22.359 What did you think well, there were things about this that creeped me out, 1579 02:09:22.520 --> 02:09:26.840 namely Peter Pan. He was creepy. He was really well at all, 1580 02:09:26.359 --> 02:09:30.960 totally unlikable and really creep me. And it's it's strange to say that 1581 02:09:31.000 --> 02:09:33.479 because of the you know, the age of the person who plays Peter Pan. 1582 02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:35.960 I don't want to be too harsh, but I mean it really did 1583 02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:39.119 give me the creeps because he's not likable and because of everything he says in 1584 02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:41.079 the way that he said. I don't want to say too much, but 1585 02:09:41.159 --> 02:09:46.239 if you watch the movie, you would know immediately. You know, Hello, 1586 02:09:48.239 --> 02:09:50.479 I don't even want to imitate Hello. I mean hit to scape your 1587 02:09:50.560 --> 02:09:54.920 window, I mean hit to tike you from your window, and you're like, 1588 02:09:54.039 --> 02:10:00.319 oh no, this is it. Yeah. And Tiger Lily is a 1589 02:10:00.760 --> 02:10:03.680 much bigger role in this. Yep. I like the girl who plays Tiger 1590 02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:07.079 Lily. I thought she was I always liked the Tiger Lily character, even 1591 02:10:07.159 --> 02:10:09.720 in the cartoon. I thought she was real cute. Yeah. Well, 1592 02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:13.680 one thing I meant to bring up also is that is the stuff with the 1593 02:10:13.720 --> 02:10:16.600 weird stuff in real life with Tiger Lily. Remember, Tiger Lily is the 1594 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:20.479 daughter of Michael Hutchins. And Paul Yates, Michael Hudgins from NXSS. Yeah, 1595 02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:24.880 and remember he died in the same way that we were talking about with 1596 02:10:26.199 --> 02:10:30.720 Robin Williams and the other people. Oh yeah, and she is the adopted 1597 02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:37.640 daughter of Bob Geldolf and Bob Geldoff supposedly there's some there's some Bob Geldoff Jeff 1598 02:10:37.640 --> 02:10:43.960 Steime McCaffrey connection. Wasn't the girl in the Next sim Orto? Yes, 1599 02:10:45.239 --> 02:10:48.359 so Peaches Geldoff, who's the daughter of Bob Geldoff. She died of a 1600 02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:52.840 heroin o'd and she was in that. She had a Nextium tattoo. Okay, 1601 02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:56.920 and she was in Oto. Okay. What is what I read? 1602 02:10:58.079 --> 02:11:00.880 I used to read. It's funny because you know, I used to read 1603 02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:03.560 a lot of before Internet, I guess I used to read a lot of 1604 02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:05.760 magazine. You know. I'd read music magazines and music reviews just anywhere. 1605 02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:09.960 And she wrote a lot of good music reviews for that for Nylon. Remember 1606 02:11:11.079 --> 02:11:13.680 Nylon magazine. It's like a it's like a woman's fashion magazine. But they 1607 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:18.000 had good music interviews in it. And I remember her talking about Calm Trus, 1608 02:11:20.920 --> 02:11:24.119 you know. And now I'm not talking about Tom Komb the actual calm 1609 02:11:24.199 --> 02:11:28.600 Trus that you know, synth musician. But anyway, she she uh, 1610 02:11:30.479 --> 02:11:31.880 you know, was it like a big presence in Hollywood, I suppose, 1611 02:11:31.920 --> 02:11:35.000 and wrote, you know, fairly decent articles and stuff about music. But 1612 02:11:35.079 --> 02:11:37.760 then I remember that she had they said she had an oto tattoo. I 1613 02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:39.960 don't know what the truth of that is. Maybe it was just something somebody 1614 02:11:39.960 --> 02:11:43.439 said in an article, but was also had something to do with nextium and 1615 02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:48.600 then died suddenly, right, and she's I guess she would be the adopted 1616 02:11:48.880 --> 02:11:56.600 half sister or whatever of Tiger Lily. And that's interesting because of how Tiger 1617 02:11:56.680 --> 02:12:03.399 Lily is portrayed. Tiger Lily, by the way is portrayed in US specifically, 1618 02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:07.000 there's a lot in the book. I mean, the descriptions of Tiger 1619 02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:18.800 Lily in Peter Pan the book are it's surprising because oh God, I'm never 1620 02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:20.479 I'm never gonna be able to find it. But the descriptions of Tiger Lily 1621 02:12:20.600 --> 02:12:26.840 in here in this Peter Pan book are there's a lot of innuendo, like 1622 02:12:26.960 --> 02:12:31.039 the way that she's dressed. God, I wish I could find the actual 1623 02:12:31.119 --> 02:12:35.159 quote, the way that she's actually dressed and the way that they describe her, 1624 02:12:35.279 --> 02:12:37.920 like with her low cut, you know, outfit, and that she's 1625 02:12:39.479 --> 02:12:43.920 I'll just I'll just sum it up by saying that they portray her fairly accurately 1626 02:12:43.960 --> 02:12:48.479 in this Peter Pan and Wendy, where she's kind of you know, she's 1627 02:12:48.520 --> 02:12:52.920 a The actress she plays her in this is like in her twenty you know, 1628 02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:54.920 mid to late twenties or something is supposed to be a you know, 1629 02:12:56.039 --> 02:12:58.119 it's like she's a native because she's she plays an Indian, you know, 1630 02:12:58.399 --> 02:13:01.000 in Peter Has what they call her, and she's you know, kind of 1631 02:13:01.039 --> 02:13:05.880 sexy in the movie, and then she saves Peter Pitch, so she's an 1632 02:13:05.880 --> 02:13:09.199 outside character from the rest of it, which is interesting because the rest of 1633 02:13:09.239 --> 02:13:13.920 it is like we get Captain Hook, who's a who's grown, and then 1634 02:13:13.960 --> 02:13:16.039 we get Peter Pan and them their their children, and then we get Tiger 1635 02:13:16.119 --> 02:13:20.520 Lily, who's supposed to be you know, a grown who's grown. So 1636 02:13:22.319 --> 02:13:28.079 right, yeah, right, But I thought that overall this movie was interesting 1637 02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:31.119 because they did something different with Captain Hook, which is kind of like people 1638 02:13:31.199 --> 02:13:35.960 talk about how Captain Hook is seeing you know people, it's theorized that captain 1639 02:13:37.000 --> 02:13:43.159 Hook is a former lost boy, right, and in this they really go 1640 02:13:43.319 --> 02:13:46.319 with that all the way. I mean, Jude Law is a he becomes 1641 02:13:46.439 --> 02:13:50.199 he's not likable because he's a villain, right, he know, but but 1642 02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:52.279 there's something in his eyes. And then the resolution of the movie, which 1643 02:13:52.319 --> 02:13:58.600 is that he's saved. He's saved by Peter Pan and not to spoiler alert, 1644 02:13:58.279 --> 02:14:01.720 but he's saved by Peter Pan, and that he's a sympathetic character. 1645 02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:05.600 He's in pain, right, yeah, well, yeah, he has like 1646 02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:18.640 his villain origin, yeah, seen in this So yeah, this takes place 1647 02:14:18.920 --> 02:14:28.159 in Edwardy in England, and the Disney movie was a nineteen fifty three movie. 1648 02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:37.159 Yes, and I noticed something. M it's Wendy's last night at home 1649 02:14:37.279 --> 02:14:41.399 as a child. So in a cartoon they don't really make a big deal 1650 02:14:41.439 --> 02:14:43.520 about this, they just say it's Whendy's last night in the nursery. But 1651 02:14:43.760 --> 02:14:48.039 in this one, she's really having a hard time with like having to go 1652 02:14:48.159 --> 02:14:54.159 to boarding school and it's her last night at home, and so her wish 1653 02:14:54.159 --> 02:15:01.640 is actually kind of what summons Peter Pant right, right, yes, And 1654 02:15:03.079 --> 02:15:09.079 so he comes in the nursery and tinker Bell's there, and she looks different, 1655 02:15:09.119 --> 02:15:15.439 yes right, yes, yes, I know, yes, yes different. 1656 02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:20.399 And this is so crazy because I knew that. You know that scene 1657 02:15:20.560 --> 02:15:24.520 in the cartoon where she is trying to see if she's going to fit through 1658 02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:31.520 a little hole and she measures her hips, remember that, I looked it 1659 02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:35.840 up because I knew it looked familiar. And it was also in a marathon 1660 02:15:35.960 --> 02:15:43.560 in Rowe movie which which one gentlemen prefer blonde? Okay, nineteen fifty three, 1661 02:15:43.680 --> 02:15:46.680 so same year. I don't know who did it first, but Marilyn 1662 02:15:46.840 --> 02:15:50.000 wrote measures her hips just like that to see if she can fit through a 1663 02:15:50.039 --> 02:15:54.760 porthole and a ship, just exactly like tinker Bell, and the movies were 1664 02:15:54.800 --> 02:15:56.840 made of this one. Well Disney was like, we're gonna put this in 1665 02:15:56.880 --> 02:16:03.880 all the movies. So I didn't catch this ever, But tinker Bell is 1666 02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:07.399 the only reason that any of them can fly, Peter p f Lie without 1667 02:16:07.479 --> 02:16:11.760 her, right right, yeah, So she's the one that is like always 1668 02:16:11.800 --> 02:16:20.800 coming in clutch and saving everybody, and even in this movie, well that's 1669 02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:24.479 like in the that's like in what's the one we did last week? Oh 1670 02:16:24.520 --> 02:16:31.079 pan, where they're mining for fairy dust draino inside the you know, pineal 1671 02:16:31.200 --> 02:16:37.879 mountain or whatever, and so yeah, just of immortality. Yeah, and 1672 02:16:39.040 --> 02:16:43.559 her her it must be that her love is just like they can fly by 1673 02:16:43.639 --> 02:16:46.959 thinking good thoughts. I guess her love is what keeps her alive and flying 1674 02:16:48.360 --> 02:16:52.680 and passes on to the others. Claps. Wasn't there something about if you 1675 02:16:52.799 --> 02:16:54.479 clap, you bring them back to life? They didn't put that in this 1676 02:16:54.600 --> 02:17:03.559 one, but there's always something about breathing, clapping and hears. So I 1677 02:17:03.719 --> 02:17:07.760 noticed when in the first scene when they all go to bed, it's tinker 1678 02:17:07.840 --> 02:17:13.000 Bell that comes in to the bedroom and sprinkles Wendy in the bed and Wendy 1679 02:17:13.159 --> 02:17:18.239 floats out of the bed like Exorcists. That wasn't in the first Yeah. 1680 02:17:18.959 --> 02:17:22.440 Yeah, So, like you were saying, Wendy, it's different than this 1681 02:17:22.479 --> 02:17:28.559 one because we get a different We get a sort of a revisionist context on 1682 02:17:28.760 --> 02:17:33.440 Edwardy in England, right, So instead of the window being open and Peter 1683 02:17:33.600 --> 02:17:39.600 coming in and searching for a shadow, instead we get Wendy going off to 1684 02:17:39.760 --> 02:17:43.000 school, which is it's usually the boys that would be going off to boarding 1685 02:17:43.000 --> 02:17:46.200 school, but I suppose she's going off to school to learn how to be 1686 02:17:46.399 --> 02:17:48.479 like her mother. Remember, and she says, I didn't want what if 1687 02:17:48.520 --> 02:17:52.680 I don't what if I don't want to be like you? Mother? Yeah, 1688 02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:56.680 you're a gray little winka. She and her mother's like, okay, 1689 02:17:58.600 --> 02:18:01.719 all right, it's fine. Yeah, And she has her little shait. 1690 02:18:01.799 --> 02:18:05.639 She fights with her brothers. Right, she breaks the mirror. I forgot 1691 02:18:05.719 --> 02:18:07.959 her the breaking of the mirror. You know. Nana's in the room and 1692 02:18:07.000 --> 02:18:09.719 the father comes in, Oh, why don't you ever grow up, Wendy, 1693 02:18:11.280 --> 02:18:13.879 And she goes and she so she breaks the mirror. That wakes them 1694 02:18:15.000 --> 02:18:18.559 up. That's the that's the start sort of the genesis of what is going 1695 02:18:18.600 --> 02:18:22.360 to become her flying away. But then she goes and she hides behind the 1696 02:18:22.479 --> 02:18:26.360 veil in her room, and then tinker Bell comes in. It sprinkles, 1697 02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:28.600 the fairy does. Also, it's interesting that this is I think this is 1698 02:18:28.639 --> 02:18:33.440 the only one where tinker Bell doesn't speak, which is interesting. It's like, 1699 02:18:33.520 --> 02:18:35.479 if they're gonna do what they did, but then they're not gonna they're 1700 02:18:35.479 --> 02:18:39.559 gonna take away her voice in the movie. That seems a little odd right 1701 02:18:39.680 --> 02:18:43.280 in their paradon, that they're going to do that with the recasting of tinker 1702 02:18:43.319 --> 02:18:48.200 Bell. And yeah, then she then we when do we meet Peter? 1703 02:18:50.040 --> 02:18:52.239 He comes in right after her. So I was gonna say, so she's 1704 02:18:52.280 --> 02:18:56.920 floating out the bed like Exorcist. Yeah, and this is something that I 1705 02:18:56.040 --> 02:19:03.879 mentioned a couple of shows ago in reference to a Beyonce music video calls Dreams. 1706 02:19:03.280 --> 02:19:09.319 In the beginning, she Oh Dub comes and floats above Beyonce and she 1707 02:19:09.479 --> 02:19:15.840 floats out of the bed like she's possessed or something. And that's when I 1708 02:19:15.959 --> 02:19:20.920 was showing you this about how the dove in the oto. Yeah. So 1709 02:19:20.120 --> 02:19:26.040 all that symbolism they're using Beyonce, they use it on Wendy, right, 1710 02:19:26.840 --> 02:19:31.360 And here again we have girls coming of age, perfect time to have a 1711 02:19:31.760 --> 02:19:43.479 visitation by Pan, right, and he comes in and takes her away because 1712 02:19:43.520 --> 02:19:48.440 she doesn't want to grow up yet, and they fly out the window through 1713 02:19:48.479 --> 02:19:52.559 a portal that happens to be big Ben h Did you catch that? Yeah, 1714 02:19:52.639 --> 02:19:58.159 through the through the clock, Yeah, just like just like Pan emerges 1715 02:19:58.239 --> 02:20:03.319 from behind the clock and Garam model Toro's Hellish Night Night Visions. Yes, 1716 02:20:03.799 --> 02:20:13.799 and just how we've seen the theme of time and watches and Saturn throughout all 1717 02:20:13.840 --> 02:20:18.040 of the things we were talking about. The time portal okay, uh so, 1718 02:20:18.239 --> 02:20:22.200 and he says, we're gonna go to Neverland where you can be yourself. 1719 02:20:22.600 --> 02:20:26.840 So where have you heard stuff like that before? Everywhere? Now? 1720 02:20:26.399 --> 02:20:31.799 Yeah, right, himself in the Yeah. And he's got he's got his 1721 02:20:31.319 --> 02:20:35.040 he's got he's kind of advanced from the squeaky voice that you've talked about in 1722 02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:43.399 so many others. Hello, Hello, I can't do it. He's got 1723 02:20:43.440 --> 02:20:50.840 a squeaky voice. And she notices after they go through Big Ben through the 1724 02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:54.799 portal, it's it becomes the upside down world like streaming, and she sees 1725 02:20:54.879 --> 02:21:01.120 her reflection and everything is top se trvy that came up in parts of the 1726 02:21:01.200 --> 02:21:05.559 Caribbean too, And y'all are doing it. Y'all are doing parts of the 1727 02:21:05.559 --> 02:21:11.239 Caribbean tomorrow mega stream, mega stream. Yeah, I suppose. So this 1728 02:21:11.399 --> 02:21:13.559 is supposed to be her flying backwards through time, right, going back to 1729 02:21:13.639 --> 02:21:16.479 her innocence when she could be in Neverland. She doesn't want to grow up, 1730 02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:24.840 right. Yeah. However, when they get to Neverland and a couple 1731 02:21:24.840 --> 02:21:31.799 of scenes, you can see Saturn in the sky from the earth of Neverland. 1732 02:21:31.840 --> 02:21:35.920 Did you notice that, right? Yeah? And was it this one 1733 02:21:37.040 --> 02:21:41.760 that I thought? I mean, hook is more. I see a lot 1734 02:21:41.799 --> 02:21:48.200 of Jeff Stein McCaffrey island in Hook. Okay, this one was slightly different 1735 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:52.159 because we don't see a do we see a vision of it flying downwards and 1736 02:21:52.239 --> 02:21:54.159 we see the island. No, we didn't know, not in this one. 1737 02:21:56.319 --> 02:22:01.840 But yes, yes, Saturn in the sky. Of course, this 1738 02:22:01.079 --> 02:22:07.239 movie is so ridiculous. Dude, with me a minute to figure out whose 1739 02:22:07.239 --> 02:22:11.559 captain Hook was. Jude Law. He's not. Yeah, he's coming since 1740 02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:18.159 that sex spot in the Spielberg movie, remember, yes, yeah, in 1741 02:22:18.239 --> 02:22:22.879 Ai. Yeah, yeah, So what do you think about? What do 1742 02:22:22.920 --> 02:22:28.920 you think about Jude Law? He's I don't know. What do you mean? 1743 02:22:28.959 --> 02:22:35.479 I don't know? He he uh when he was filming Cold Mountain, 1744 02:22:35.520 --> 02:22:39.239 I'm still thistling my channel before. But we had a tape of him. 1745 02:22:41.159 --> 02:22:46.360 We had a VHS tape of him because when he was filming Cold Mountain, 1746 02:22:46.520 --> 02:22:50.319 he was in Charleston and he was at a bar and he met my friend 1747 02:22:50.559 --> 02:22:56.399 and his like fraternity brothers, and they went back to his house for a 1748 02:22:56.440 --> 02:23:00.479 party, and and my friend had a cam quarter and just set it up 1749 02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:03.559 on top of the TV and just pressed record, and there's like an hour 1750 02:23:03.719 --> 02:23:07.600 of footage of just chew Law like sitting on the sofa talking everybody, and 1751 02:23:07.639 --> 02:23:11.799 he's it's funny because he's hitting on one of my friends at the time. 1752 02:23:11.840 --> 02:23:16.840 But he was married to Sadie Frost at the time. And during during this 1753 02:23:18.920 --> 02:23:22.920 when this was happening, it got into late night and one of their friends 1754 02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:24.920 like walked he was in I don't want to stay too much for he was 1755 02:23:24.959 --> 02:23:31.079 in a room with a girl and he walked out and and you can hear 1756 02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:33.879 him walk out of the room and they go, hey, Jude Laws here 1757 02:23:33.920 --> 02:23:37.399 and he goes, who fuck is that man? Give me a beer? 1758 02:23:39.319 --> 02:23:43.120 And he totally jud Laws like what this guy to know me? And he 1759 02:23:43.280 --> 02:23:50.920 walks back in shut the door. But yeah, I thought Jude Law was 1760 02:23:50.959 --> 02:23:56.159 interesting in this because you know a lot of the Captain hooks that we see, 1761 02:23:56.840 --> 02:24:01.120 like with Dusty Mothman is totally is totally creepy to me and just is 1762 02:24:01.920 --> 02:24:03.360 just creepy. But Judelaw, when I was watching this, I thought, 1763 02:24:05.040 --> 02:24:09.239 there's something in this makes this guy likable, Like he like he he doesn't, 1764 02:24:11.040 --> 02:24:13.280 I don't, I don't want to. I don't know a person's heart, 1765 02:24:13.319 --> 02:24:15.520 whether he has love in his heart, but he seemed to be more 1766 02:24:15.639 --> 02:24:18.959 normal. If that makes any sense when I was watching it, I don't 1767 02:24:18.000 --> 02:24:20.959 know if that's just me reading into the movie. You're supposed to have a 1768 02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:26.879 little sympathy for him, right, right, he'd hit up two different colored 1769 02:24:26.959 --> 02:24:28.760 eyes. I noticed he did. He did. Yes, he had a 1770 02:24:28.840 --> 02:24:33.399 he had a left had a left eye marble of glass eye. And there 1771 02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:39.120 was a scene where well he had black hair and then he got all wet 1772 02:24:39.200 --> 02:24:43.280 and his like hair dyved, dripping. So they're saying he's trying to fight 1773 02:24:43.760 --> 02:24:48.239 aging. Still maybe right, So Hook, he there's a scene where his 1774 02:24:48.639 --> 02:24:52.000 wig comes all the way off and he says, Priest, provide me with 1775 02:24:52.079 --> 02:24:54.239 a little dignity. But in this one, I guess it was the hair 1776 02:24:54.319 --> 02:24:58.719 dye. And also his hook was on a different hand. In this he 1777 02:24:58.840 --> 02:25:03.959 had he had the hook on his he got the hook hand. Yeah, 1778 02:25:05.239 --> 02:25:18.680 so Jim Gaffigan is me yeah, right, yeah, And come to find 1779 02:25:18.719 --> 02:25:26.200 out Hook, We'll remember we were talking about fan theories and that Hook was 1780 02:25:26.239 --> 02:25:31.280 the lost boy, right, so this is part of the movie. Now, 1781 02:25:31.680 --> 02:25:33.360 Yes, that's the movie, and they made it Cannon, Yes, 1782 02:25:35.360 --> 02:25:39.479 and now Hook was the first lost boy, but grown ups were evil. 1783 02:25:39.799 --> 02:25:46.360 He tried to escape Neverland because he missed his mom and he was picked up 1784 02:25:46.360 --> 02:25:50.239 by pirates and brought back to Nemberland. And that's when they started fighting with 1785 02:25:50.360 --> 02:25:52.520 Peter. Yeah, and Peter. It says that Peter made him leave, 1786 02:25:54.120 --> 02:25:56.719 right, and that what he said Peter made him made him leave, wouldn't 1787 02:25:56.760 --> 02:26:00.319 come back. And then and then later in the movie, that's it's sort 1788 02:26:00.319 --> 02:26:05.079 of the climax of the movie because Peter returns and apologizes. He says, 1789 02:26:05.120 --> 02:26:09.440 I'm sorry for it wasn't a good friend to you. And then and then 1790 02:26:09.479 --> 02:26:11.760 he's about to fall off the mass of the ship and he says, think 1791 02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:16.000 good thoughts, and then Jude Law says, I don't have any, and 1792 02:26:16.040 --> 02:26:20.879 then falls into the water, all sad he doesn't have any good thoughts. 1793 02:26:22.360 --> 02:26:28.559 Fourteen right, It's it's funny how he turned. He goes from being a 1794 02:26:28.600 --> 02:26:35.040 little boy raised by the pirates to like growing up and being their tyrant and 1795 02:26:35.120 --> 02:26:39.159 they all follow him like, how did that? Well, I suppose it 1796 02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:46.559 would be the story of Annakin Skywalker, Oh yeah, very much is Yeah, 1797 02:26:46.680 --> 02:26:50.399 going from the beloved you know, right hand man of Obi Wan right 1798 02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:56.559 into becoming the worst, the worst of the bad guys. Of course, 1799 02:26:56.600 --> 02:27:00.360 he's not a pirate on solo is the pirate, but but becoming the worst 1800 02:27:00.360 --> 02:27:03.079 of the bad guys. Right, you did say something when you were texting 1801 02:27:03.159 --> 02:27:05.920 me, you were like, order sixty six, execute Order sixty six because 1802 02:27:05.959 --> 02:27:11.280 he did do that. He like ordered the children to be executed. Yeah, 1803 02:27:11.120 --> 02:27:16.600 which is what Anakin does in was it in the second one attack of 1804 02:27:16.639 --> 02:27:20.399 the Clones he goes back into the temple. Yeah, and you know issues 1805 02:27:20.520 --> 02:27:24.319 Order sixty six eradicates all of the Jedi kids. Yeah, it was that 1806 02:27:24.360 --> 02:27:28.559 a weird that they included that line. Yeah, issue Order sixty six. 1807 02:27:28.600 --> 02:27:37.360 I mean, you know sixty six is right. The so hook has an 1808 02:27:37.399 --> 02:27:43.239 origin story just like Anakin. Tinkerbelt again the real MVP. She helps Wendy 1809 02:27:43.479 --> 02:27:50.159 escape walking the plank and Wendy flies up and they're like he has the boys 1810 02:27:50.239 --> 02:27:56.520 magic and Wendy's like this magic is from no boy. So there's some like 1811 02:27:56.159 --> 02:28:01.360 uh, strong woman talk that's right in this with Tinkerbell and Wendy teaming up. 1812 02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:09.280 And when Peter's not there yet, right walking the walking the plank to 1813 02:28:09.440 --> 02:28:13.000 jump into the chasm, right into the abyss, but I didn't hear a 1814 02:28:13.040 --> 02:28:18.680 splash right then he splash and then she the whole ship floats because of artic 1815 02:28:18.959 --> 02:28:24.440 tinkerbell magic. Also, the sea shanties in this were of note the lyrics 1816 02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:31.079 to the The movie was directed by David Lowry, not David Lowry from Richmond, 1817 02:28:31.159 --> 02:28:33.879 Virginia, who was part of the band Cracker. Hey Hey, Hey 1818 02:28:35.200 --> 02:28:39.079 like me, It's don't that's on from the nineties. It's a different David 1819 02:28:39.120 --> 02:28:43.200 Lowry who in Camper van Beethoven as his other band. But David Lowry who 1820 02:28:43.239 --> 02:28:46.639 directed The Green Knight last year. Have you seen his reboot of The Green 1821 02:28:46.719 --> 02:28:54.079 Knight. It's twenty of course it's an eight twenty four movie. But yeah, 1822 02:28:54.120 --> 02:29:00.479 So the ship floats and that's when Peter Pan appears. Peter has lost 1823 02:29:00.520 --> 02:29:07.719 his ability to fly as well because he Pixie does right right so, But 1824 02:29:07.879 --> 02:29:13.760 but who ends up happening helping him is Tiger Lily with their native native spirit, 1825 02:29:13.520 --> 02:29:18.520 riding on the white Horse, and then he does an extreme jump off 1826 02:29:18.600 --> 02:29:22.760 of the cliff onto the ship, tears into it with his little sword, 1827 02:29:22.959 --> 02:29:28.879 right yeah, and then befriends Captain hook or issues this call of friendship rather 1828 02:29:28.920 --> 02:29:37.520 than fighting him, which is interesting an interesting revision of the whole thing and 1829 02:29:37.000 --> 02:29:41.159 redemption arc for both of them. That's right, Yeah, And I mean 1830 02:29:41.280 --> 02:29:45.000 it ends on a positive note, right, It ends on a they're probably 1831 02:29:45.000 --> 02:29:50.719 hoping for a sequel. Well, it ends they take the Lost Boys back. 1832 02:29:50.799 --> 02:29:54.760 Okay, So they have to flip the ship because they're in the mirror 1833 02:29:54.840 --> 02:29:58.840 world or the tide down or universe b as they like to call it in 1834 02:30:00.040 --> 02:30:05.399 and esoterica, just like in Powers of the Caribbean, how they get out 1835 02:30:05.559 --> 02:30:11.399 of the Spirit dolder Room world. They have to flip the ship opposite and 1836 02:30:11.520 --> 02:30:16.760 they all go back home and the Darlings adopt all the lost boys. Oh 1837 02:30:16.079 --> 02:30:22.959 did you notice one of the Lost boys was a slowboy? Yes, the 1838 02:30:22.079 --> 02:30:26.280 Down Syndroom Like, yes, it was the first starring role for a beautiful 1839 02:30:26.280 --> 02:30:31.159 slowboy in a Disney phone. I don't mind it, Yeah, I didn't 1840 02:30:31.200 --> 02:30:35.360 mind it. I mean, one thing I had to say about people with 1841 02:30:35.520 --> 02:30:41.239 Down syndrome is like one time I was watching reality TV, just flipping through 1842 02:30:41.280 --> 02:30:45.600 the channels at the hotel, and there was this reality show about people down 1843 02:30:45.639 --> 02:30:48.159 Syndroom and how they get along and stuff. And I watched this whole thing 1844 02:30:48.280 --> 02:30:54.280 and their relationships and their responsibility and how they thought about life, like they 1845 02:30:54.360 --> 02:30:58.440 were more based and smart than any other person I've ever seen in a reality 1846 02:30:58.479 --> 02:31:03.319 TV show. Yeah, well, in all seriously, I mean yeah, 1847 02:31:03.319 --> 02:31:05.000 and in all seriousness, I mean Shane Gillis makes a good point that they're 1848 02:31:05.079 --> 02:31:11.959 closer to God, right they are. They live in a I'm not trying 1849 02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:18.719 to paint a broad picture here, but just to say that uttered I know 1850 02:31:18.840 --> 02:31:24.239 that they're we're talking about complex human beings, but a sense of joy and 1851 02:31:24.319 --> 02:31:28.520 innocence that is lost in the average adult, right. So, but it 1852 02:31:28.680 --> 02:31:33.799 just blew me away. Like if you're flipping channels and you see people acting 1853 02:31:33.920 --> 02:31:41.760 crazy and you know they're not our word, then this show full of people 1854 02:31:41.799 --> 02:31:48.840 who are and they're so mature and they're so responsible and they're so well spoken, 1855 02:31:48.079 --> 02:31:52.760 and you know they're they're breaking up and they're just like hugging and being 1856 02:31:52.799 --> 02:31:54.479 like, it's not it's not the best, you know, and then next 1857 02:31:54.600 --> 02:32:01.799 channel people are. It's just a really weird contrast between who you see on 1858 02:32:01.920 --> 02:32:07.600 reality TV who's not don't have downson room. Then you flip channels, then 1859 02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:11.719 you get to Below Deck Mediterranean. Yeah, like Real Housewise, where they're 1860 02:32:11.719 --> 02:32:18.559 tearing up the place and stopping and throwing. It was a weird contrast. 1861 02:32:18.360 --> 02:32:26.399 Okay, so beautiful slowboys and Peter Pan. They find out that Peter used 1862 02:32:26.440 --> 02:32:30.719 to live there at the Darling's house and that's why he kept coming back, 1863 02:32:31.840 --> 02:32:35.680 Yeah, to Wendy's house. And then he still doesn't want to grow up, 1864 02:32:35.959 --> 02:32:41.440 so he floats off to never Never Land. And there's a kind of 1865 02:32:41.440 --> 02:32:48.799 an epilogue right where where Captain Hook has surfaced, right and Sme is there, 1866 02:32:48.959 --> 02:32:52.319 Jim Gaffkin, Look, we survived. And then they look up and 1867 02:32:52.440 --> 02:32:54.200 the ship floats out of the clouds and they look up and there's Peter Pan 1868 02:32:54.280 --> 02:32:58.879 above him to save him. Yep, he returns for Captain Hook. So 1869 02:32:58.319 --> 02:33:03.159 yeah, so it was an interesting movie. I mean, Mila Jovish's daughter 1870 02:33:05.159 --> 02:33:13.280 really really Wendy really that's really really yeah interesting. It looked just like her 1871 02:33:13.520 --> 02:33:16.440 now that I think about it. Yeah, it was. Oh and one 1872 02:33:16.479 --> 02:33:26.520 more thing before we go into your favorite Hook. What was I gonna says 1873 02:33:26.600 --> 02:33:33.239 kidding late? Oh, Wendy is also the name of a like a title 1874 02:33:33.360 --> 02:33:37.319 like, She's all Wendy. Did you notice that? Oh she's all right? 1875 02:33:37.440 --> 02:33:41.440 Yeah in the film, Yes, yes, she's a Wendy. She's 1876 02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:45.680 a Wendy figure. She becomes an archetype in their world exactly, so Anne 1877 02:33:45.680 --> 02:33:48.360 and the last one was an archetype. Good thing, She's not a Wendy 1878 02:33:48.440 --> 02:34:03.600 go Yeah, alright, so so Hook should we go on? Yes? 1879 02:34:07.959 --> 02:34:16.520 Okay, so now least your favorite? Yeah Hook. Gosh, I really 1880 02:34:16.600 --> 02:34:24.040 don't like this movie, Doese Mockman, Maggie Smith, Gwyneth Paltrow, what 1881 02:34:24.239 --> 02:34:30.520 is she? Gwyneth Paltrow plays the young Wendy young Maggie Smith. It's her. 1882 02:34:30.600 --> 02:34:35.959 It's one of her first film roles. And and Gwyneth Paltrow's godfather is 1883 02:34:35.520 --> 02:34:41.440 Steven Spielberg. Remember he gave her away in marriage. Also, Jimmy Buffett, 1884 02:34:41.879 --> 02:34:48.159 David Crosby, Glenn Close, Phil Collins is in this all in cameo 1885 02:34:48.319 --> 02:34:52.600 roles. And the movie is of course it has the John Williams score, 1886 02:34:52.639 --> 02:34:58.079 which does all the heavy lifting in this movie. But it's produced. Do 1887 02:34:58.120 --> 02:35:01.319 you know who the producer was, Dodi al Fayette. Uh yeah, wow, 1888 02:35:05.079 --> 02:35:07.079 I didn't know he was the movies at all. Yeah, he produced, 1889 02:35:07.079 --> 02:35:11.159 He was the producer. And it was also written by the guy who 1890 02:35:11.879 --> 02:35:18.120 of all things. I did an analysis of The Last starfighterh nineteen eighty four 1891 02:35:18.200 --> 02:35:20.920 movie, and the writer or the director of that movie is one of the 1892 02:35:22.000 --> 02:35:26.000 writers of this movie. So if you don't know, Dodi Alphayed is the 1893 02:35:26.680 --> 02:35:31.559 owner of Herod's the father of Princess Diana's boyfriend. What was his name, 1894 02:35:31.920 --> 02:35:37.600 Muhammad alf Yeah, so he was the father of the person who died along 1895 02:35:37.719 --> 02:35:43.680 with Diana in the cars who continued to say that there was a c spiracy 1896 02:35:45.000 --> 02:35:48.360 with Diana's death. He died, He died recently. He died like I 1897 02:35:48.440 --> 02:35:50.719 think he did. He died this year. I think he died recently. 1898 02:35:52.639 --> 02:35:58.959 So beginning of Hook, he's flying a plane because he's scared of flying. 1899 02:35:58.120 --> 02:36:03.959 So he just like grown up and he's got all of the grown up problems. 1900 02:36:03.639 --> 02:36:09.399 He's cranky, he's you know, fearful, he is he like an 1901 02:36:09.440 --> 02:36:13.799 insurance sales day. He's bane capital. Oh yeah, yeah, he's a 1902 02:36:13.920 --> 02:36:16.920 he's a not a hedge funder, but well I guess he's a hedge funder. 1903 02:36:18.000 --> 02:36:22.239 But there's a scene where his dad, his son is talking to Wendy 1904 02:36:22.520 --> 02:36:24.959 right and when they fly to London, and the Sun says, when we 1905 02:36:26.200 --> 02:36:28.959 when we see a failing company, we go in and we buy them, 1906 02:36:28.200 --> 02:36:31.040 and if they give us any resistance, we kill them. They're over. 1907 02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:35.120 Oh yeah, they're over as a company. And so he's on the phone. 1908 02:36:35.159 --> 02:36:37.280 Actually, oh, I meant to get that out. I have the 1909 02:36:37.399 --> 02:36:43.280 Motorola phone that he uses throughout this Yeah. Yeah, and he's got the 1910 02:36:43.520 --> 02:36:46.920 he's got the little There's so many scenes that they should have cut in this 1911 02:36:48.000 --> 02:36:50.799 movie, but one of them is when he's in the office with his friends 1912 02:36:50.879 --> 02:36:54.840 and they do like a gunslinger draw, like of who can answer the phone 1913 02:36:54.920 --> 02:37:00.239 the fastest, right, Yeah, And he's always on the phone. He's 1914 02:37:00.440 --> 02:37:05.000 he's heading some company and he's starting to speculate, speculate in real estate. 1915 02:37:05.959 --> 02:37:11.719 And he's starting this children's wing of an orphan hospital named after when it's called 1916 02:37:11.760 --> 02:37:20.200 the Wendy More you know Angela Dark So Wendy Mary Angel Darling is her name, 1917 02:37:20.879 --> 02:37:24.079 And they're starting this wing of this hospital. And Wendy is the grandparent. 1918 02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:31.319 Is his place his grandmother or something in this No, she's his wife's 1919 02:37:33.559 --> 02:37:37.639 wife's Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, aunt or something like 1920 02:37:37.760 --> 02:37:41.399 that. Right, they call her grandmother, so I guess it would be 1921 02:37:41.440 --> 02:37:43.520 of the kids. Yeah, yeah, the kid's grandmother. Okay, but 1922 02:37:43.600 --> 02:37:48.799 it still didn't make any sense. But yeah, so he's he's flying the 1923 02:37:48.840 --> 02:37:52.239 plane, or he's not flying the plane, but he's in the plane. 1924 02:37:52.399 --> 02:37:56.239 I was surprised they didn't use Oceania airlines that they always use in the movies. 1925 02:37:56.760 --> 02:38:01.520 Now confused because was he adopted? Yes, so she's part of that. 1926 02:38:03.600 --> 02:38:09.479 So Wendy adopted Peter Pan when she oh because oh, because because he 1927 02:38:09.600 --> 02:38:15.440 talks about he kept going back and she kept getting older and so she couldn't 1928 02:38:15.479 --> 02:38:18.360 fly anymore. And I guess that's at the point where she adopted it and 1929 02:38:18.479 --> 02:38:22.879 her daughter, right, So, so time had passed, so she had 1930 02:38:22.920 --> 02:38:24.360 grown older, but he'd stayed the same, so that when he starts to 1931 02:38:24.399 --> 02:38:28.040 grow older, there's a time distance. So then he falls in love with 1932 02:38:28.079 --> 02:38:35.879 the daughter. Okay, yeah, so I forget how how does he end 1933 02:38:35.959 --> 02:38:43.239 up in Neverlands? So so he goes away on they So they're they're in 1934 02:38:43.319 --> 02:38:48.639 America, right, and they have the baseball game, and the Sun is 1935 02:38:48.680 --> 02:38:50.280 going to play the baseball game and he says, oh, no. First 1936 02:38:50.319 --> 02:38:54.159 it starts off at the play. They're watching a play of Peter Pan and 1937 02:38:54.559 --> 02:38:58.840 the daughter, the youngest daughter is in the play, and the Sun is 1938 02:38:58.879 --> 02:39:01.079 watching with Rob Williams and the mother, and he gets a phone called yes, 1939 02:39:01.159 --> 02:39:03.559 so look the businesses, you know, and she's like, put away 1940 02:39:03.559 --> 02:39:07.959 the phone, you know. And then the Sun has a baseball met and 1941 02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:09.920 a baseball and he says, you know, I'll be there tomorrow morning for 1942 02:39:09.959 --> 02:39:11.959 the business deal. And then the Sun says, you know what about my 1943 02:39:13.000 --> 02:39:15.879 baseball game, Dad, and he says, my word is my bond. 1944 02:39:15.959 --> 02:39:20.479 Of course, he breaks his word because the next morning they have the baseball 1945 02:39:20.559 --> 02:39:22.760 game. The Sun is there and Robin Williams goes off to the short meeting 1946 02:39:22.799 --> 02:39:26.440 which ends up this, you know, is this long business deal or whatever. 1947 02:39:26.760 --> 02:39:31.440 He sends his cameraman to film the game, and then by the time 1948 02:39:31.520 --> 02:39:33.319 he shows up, the game is over. By the way the game was, 1949 02:39:33.559 --> 02:39:41.200 it's obviously warm outside because they're playing baseball, but they threw in winners 1950 02:39:41.239 --> 02:39:43.319 special or whatever. And I guess that's because they premiered the movie in December, 1951 02:39:43.840 --> 02:39:46.079 so they had to make it a Christmas movie. And it's also did 1952 02:39:46.120 --> 02:39:50.680 you notice this The name of the league is called like date, It's called 1953 02:39:50.879 --> 02:39:56.760 the Date Nut League. Very weird. Yeah, it's something weird that I 1954 02:39:56.840 --> 02:40:00.959 saw in there that plays into a lot of the Jeff's I make every stuff 1955 02:40:01.000 --> 02:40:05.239 in the film, because there's a lot of it. And so then anyway, 1956 02:40:05.719 --> 02:40:07.879 they missed the baseball game. Then they get on the plane and they 1957 02:40:07.920 --> 02:40:11.319 fly over to London because he has to dedicate the new wing of the hospital. 1958 02:40:11.159 --> 02:40:15.200 When they're on the plane, the sun is throwing baseball at the He's 1959 02:40:15.200 --> 02:40:18.319 trying to crack the window of the airplane and Robin Williams says, why do 1960 02:40:18.399 --> 02:40:20.440 you have to always act like such a child? And the kid says, 1961 02:40:20.559 --> 02:40:24.879 well, I'm a child, and then he hits the thing and the you 1962 02:40:24.959 --> 02:40:28.319 know, the oxygen mask come down. They get mad. Then they get 1963 02:40:28.360 --> 02:40:30.879 to London. They go to Wendy's house and then they put the kids to 1964 02:40:31.280 --> 02:40:35.600 bed. The baseball is missing. The daughter says, oh, the kid 1965 02:40:35.680 --> 02:40:39.440 says where who took my baseball? And she says the weird man that keeps 1966 02:40:39.479 --> 02:40:43.520 appearing at the window, Oh yeah, which is hook right right? And 1967 02:40:43.680 --> 02:40:46.559 then they go and they dedicate the hospital wing. Robin Williams is giving a 1968 02:40:46.600 --> 02:40:50.959 speech and he says, we're all orphans, or I'm an orphan, And 1969 02:40:50.040 --> 02:40:54.639 then I guess how did they get out of the latch for the window by 1970 02:40:54.639 --> 02:41:01.000 the way as a hook? And he wants the kid keep the window shut, 1971 02:41:01.079 --> 02:41:03.680 always keep the window shut, which we know from Peter Pan is now 1972 02:41:03.760 --> 02:41:05.000 that he's an adult, he wants to keep the window shut because he doesn't 1973 02:41:05.000 --> 02:41:09.079 have to come home again. But the window blows open, and then the 1974 02:41:09.760 --> 02:41:11.600 I guess hook takes him off to Neverland, and then Robin Williams has to 1975 02:41:11.680 --> 02:41:18.200 go and comes for him, right, and and tinker Bell is Julia Roberts. 1976 02:41:18.559 --> 02:41:26.200 Yeah. Did you notice they called they called her tinker Hell, did 1977 02:41:26.239 --> 02:41:31.559 they really? Yes, she was a high maintenance she was high maintenance diva. 1978 02:41:31.959 --> 02:41:41.479 Oh that's funny. Oh did you notice that in the Disney's Peter Pan 1979 02:41:41.559 --> 02:41:48.159 and Wendy, the live action one, they're playing Peter Pan in the beginning. 1980 02:41:48.479 --> 02:41:50.399 Yeah, in the beginning. Yeah, they're fighting, they're sword fighting. 1981 02:41:50.479 --> 02:41:58.799 Yeah, they're already He's already in their pant of Heroes. Yeah, 1982 02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:05.079 which is like right about the time that the actual book was written. Yeah, 1983 02:42:05.120 --> 02:42:09.200 so so that move. So the Peter Pan and Wendy was released on 1984 02:42:09.280 --> 02:42:15.040 the anniversary of the release of the nineteen fifty three movie, and then I 1985 02:42:15.120 --> 02:42:18.639 guess that is supposed to be an anniversary of when the play was originally produced. 1986 02:42:20.399 --> 02:42:24.239 The play called The Boy who hates mothers. Oh my god, yes, 1987 02:42:26.520 --> 02:42:31.360 yes, and the Little White Bird. Yeah. And then in this 1988 02:42:31.520 --> 02:42:37.520 they're watching the play, so everyone is aware of Peter Pan, even though 1989 02:42:37.559 --> 02:42:41.079 Wendy is involved in the actual thing. Oh there's also the brother, either 1990 02:42:41.120 --> 02:42:43.079 it's John or Michael, who comes in. He's like, I lost my 1991 02:42:43.239 --> 02:42:50.639 marbles. Oh yeah, it was one of the Lost Boys, right, 1992 02:42:50.840 --> 02:42:56.639 I lost my marbles. I can't get him back. And then at the 1993 02:42:56.760 --> 02:42:58.040 end he gets his marbles. See I didn't, I did. He lose 1994 02:42:58.159 --> 02:43:03.959 my marbles and he flies away. It's interesting. It ends interesting that the 1995 02:43:03.040 --> 02:43:09.079 movie ends with the man flying away instead of the kids. So now he's 1996 02:43:09.120 --> 02:43:20.639 achieved this everlasting youth innocence of flying and he flies towards Big Ben. It's 1997 02:43:20.719 --> 02:43:28.680 weird. So Tink comes and gets Robin Williams so he can save his children. 1998 02:43:28.079 --> 02:43:31.440 They get to Neverland the Lost Boys, like, where the f of 1999 02:43:31.479 --> 02:43:37.159 you Ben? This whole time, Yeah, he doesn't remember. Robin Williams 2000 02:43:37.200 --> 02:43:41.159 doesn't remember that he's Peter Pan, and he doesn't believe any of this. 2001 02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:45.040 He's just like an old man. Now. It takes him an hour and 2002 02:43:45.239 --> 02:43:48.440 forty minutes. I timed it. Oh, to remember to remember that he's 2003 02:43:48.479 --> 02:43:52.520 Peter Pan an hour and forty minutes of a two hour and seven minute movie 2004 02:43:52.559 --> 02:43:56.120 to remember that he's Peter Pan. But you you like his outfit right when 2005 02:43:56.159 --> 02:44:05.280 he like this. I never this movie. So it came out in ninety 2006 02:44:05.360 --> 02:44:07.479 one. I guess that's probably why I didn't like it, because it came 2007 02:44:07.520 --> 02:44:11.040 out in ninety one, and in ninety one, I mean I was eleven, 2008 02:44:11.520 --> 02:44:13.959 so I was like, dude, I don't want to see this. 2009 02:44:13.079 --> 02:44:18.319 I want to go smoke cigarettes. Was you know, I wasn't interested in 2010 02:44:18.440 --> 02:44:24.159 this, But it's a Spielberg movie, and there is a thing with like 2011 02:44:24.600 --> 02:44:30.079 there's he mentions dinosaurs in the movie, and then there's the giant you know's 2012 02:44:30.120 --> 02:44:31.719 the crocodile that kind of looks like a dinosaur. So Jurassic Park is on 2013 02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:37.280 the heels of this movie. Yeah, I guess, but I just didn't 2014 02:44:37.360 --> 02:44:43.200 like I just I get the creepy crawlies when I see this human man child 2015 02:44:43.280 --> 02:44:48.840 who's he's I like Robbin Williams because I like Good Morning Vietnam. I liked 2016 02:44:48.879 --> 02:44:50.760 I like his role. I mean, I think he's awesome in that, 2017 02:44:50.239 --> 02:44:56.120 but this movie is like he's he's a man. Yeah, and he's there 2018 02:44:56.159 --> 02:44:58.760 with all these kids and he's wearing I mean, Dustin Offman even says like, 2019 02:44:58.840 --> 02:45:03.639 oh, you still fit into the tides, right, yeah, and 2020 02:45:03.760 --> 02:45:07.879 he's like and it's like, it's just it's just weird. It's like an 2021 02:45:09.040 --> 02:45:11.000 uncanny valley or something. Looking at his face hanging out with these guys. 2022 02:45:11.200 --> 02:45:16.040 There's also my other big problem is, but the movie is there's too much 2023 02:45:18.479 --> 02:45:20.959 kitchy. Oh, we're gonna do this. We're all gonna clap at the 2024 02:45:22.000 --> 02:45:24.600 same time, right, We're all gonna have sayings that we say at the 2025 02:45:24.639 --> 02:45:28.920 same time. And then they finished yeah they and yeah the bangarrang and and 2026 02:45:28.680 --> 02:45:33.360 then they yeah, Rufio rufio, and it's like they all say it three 2027 02:45:33.440 --> 02:45:37.399 times. It becomes this weird hypnotic thing. And then also clearly Spielberg was 2028 02:45:37.479 --> 02:45:39.680 like, oh, it's nineteen ninety one, so we got to appeal to 2029 02:45:39.799 --> 02:45:43.440 kids in this, So we're gonna have skateboarding and basketball, right, And 2030 02:45:43.559 --> 02:45:48.159 it's like the Bones Brigade shows up and it's like skateboarding the Lost Boys, 2031 02:45:48.239 --> 02:45:50.600 And then you look at the set and it's like the guy's like windsurfing like 2032 02:45:50.680 --> 02:45:56.319 on a track. You know, it's just there's a lot of contrived stuff. 2033 02:45:58.399 --> 02:46:01.520 You know. Spielberg said that he hates this movie. Oh yes, 2034 02:46:01.959 --> 02:46:05.479 he made the movie and he says, I it's a bad movie. What 2035 02:46:05.920 --> 02:46:09.000 what do you think about it being called Hook and not Peter Pan. Why 2036 02:46:09.040 --> 02:46:15.920 do you think? Well, I I want to give it some sort of 2037 02:46:16.079 --> 02:46:24.719 light take on it. But the movie is so full of weird spirally stuff, 2038 02:46:24.680 --> 02:46:28.440 Pegate, Jeff Stein, mcguffrey stuff in it. It's all over the 2039 02:46:28.520 --> 02:46:35.360 place in this movie. And there's there's literal spiral symbolism. There's Hook. 2040 02:46:35.440 --> 02:46:37.159 You know, you're I'm your he says, he's he's his dad. Now 2041 02:46:37.879 --> 02:46:41.000 there's the lizard man crocodile trying to get him. There's the smashing of the 2042 02:46:41.159 --> 02:46:48.799 clocks. Yes, there's there's the fact that the sun doesn't recognize the dad 2043 02:46:48.879 --> 02:46:52.120 anymore. Come back, come back, you know, remember your father? 2044 02:46:52.280 --> 02:46:56.079 You know, And it's like they're lost in a psychic hase of monarch, 2045 02:46:56.600 --> 02:47:03.559 you know, splitting all the stuff with the the slave slop, food fights, 2046 02:47:03.719 --> 02:47:09.239 multi colored you know, there's there's just a lot in this movie. 2047 02:47:09.280 --> 02:47:11.920 There's so much. I can't even recall it all. But there's so much 2048 02:47:13.040 --> 02:47:16.840 in the movie that it really. So I think that hook is like it's 2049 02:47:16.879 --> 02:47:20.239 like we're hooking the audience into this thing that we have, I mean the 2050 02:47:20.280 --> 02:47:24.600 baseball games, and it's like you got David Crosby and Jimmy Buffett. Jimmy 2051 02:47:24.600 --> 02:47:26.600 Buffett was on the flight logs. He was I won't say too much about 2052 02:47:26.639 --> 02:47:31.879 that because of the thing, but he was that he went to the jeff 2053 02:47:31.920 --> 02:47:37.840 Stein mcgeffrey place many many times. Okay, and I don't know, but 2054 02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:41.799 all I know he's on there and he played there many times. And David 2055 02:47:41.879 --> 02:47:45.399 Crosby, who's got all this weird stuff is in their gene. Glenn Close 2056 02:47:45.440 --> 02:47:52.719 plays a man in the movie Dustin Hoffman. Is this he goes beyond creepy 2057 02:47:52.760 --> 02:47:58.440 and foppish, right, he becomes a it's predatory, you know, and 2058 02:48:00.120 --> 02:48:05.760 yes, to make him be his little mentee or something. Right, So 2059 02:48:05.920 --> 02:48:09.079 it's like we're gonna hook the audience. And also this is about hooking people 2060 02:48:09.159 --> 02:48:13.040 into stay, you know, and and the like we mentioned last week, 2061 02:48:13.280 --> 02:48:20.040 the kids are there on the island and they're living forever in innocence and youth, 2062 02:48:20.360 --> 02:48:24.760 but also the pirates are there and at one point, remember Maggie Smith, 2063 02:48:24.920 --> 02:48:26.680 she says what have you been doing? And he talks that's when the 2064 02:48:26.719 --> 02:48:28.799 Sun talks about the hedge fun stuff, and she says, oh, you've 2065 02:48:28.840 --> 02:48:33.200 become a pirate. So he's grown up to become a pirate. He's a 2066 02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:37.520 financial raider, and yet he's going back to this island so he can have, 2067 02:48:37.760 --> 02:48:43.040 you know, innocence forever. What were you going to say about the 2068 02:48:45.319 --> 02:48:48.479 bird's eye view of the island, because I remember like a compass or something, 2069 02:48:50.520 --> 02:48:52.600 wasn't it. Yeah, there's a compass, and I was trying to 2070 02:48:52.639 --> 02:48:58.399 see if there was anything else with the compass, you know, like as 2071 02:48:58.440 --> 02:49:01.479 if it were Rosicrucian or something. I'm sure that plays into it. But 2072 02:49:01.559 --> 02:49:05.399 it's like, we see this god's eye view of the island, and I 2073 02:49:05.559 --> 02:49:09.959 just can't help but think of Jeff Stein McCaffrey Island because of all the kids 2074 02:49:11.000 --> 02:49:15.280 are there, and he's flying down into this place and he's wearing tights, 2075 02:49:15.360 --> 02:49:20.680 and well, how many kids do you think that they took their telling them 2076 02:49:20.719 --> 02:49:26.479 We're going to go to never Land or yeah, and you know that, 2077 02:49:26.600 --> 02:49:30.239 you know, the original idea to play Peter Pan was in this movie. 2078 02:49:30.280 --> 02:49:33.559 Who Spielberg wanted in the eighties was who he wanted to cast Michael Jackson. 2079 02:49:35.680 --> 02:49:39.040 Oh yeah, there were like two big pushes to get Michael Jackson to play 2080 02:49:39.159 --> 02:49:41.040 this role. And then of course Michael Jackson ends up with never Land Ranch 2081 02:49:41.799 --> 02:49:45.840 or he wants to you know, which I think is some sort of MK 2082 02:49:46.000 --> 02:49:54.079 ultra facility. I mean it's yeah, but uh, there, there's there's 2083 02:49:54.280 --> 02:49:56.920 you can listen, you can watch this movie and you can look at every 2084 02:49:56.959 --> 02:49:58.559 second of this movie and there's something in it where you go, oh no, 2085 02:50:00.639 --> 02:50:05.440 there's all these little lines that they say. There's a there's there's the 2086 02:50:05.520 --> 02:50:11.040 Dustin Hoffman line where he's so out of context it sounds he's He's like, 2087 02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:13.879 I remember you being a lot bigger, and he says like, oh, 2088 02:50:13.000 --> 02:50:16.239 I don't even want to say what he says, but it's very weird. 2089 02:50:18.159 --> 02:50:20.440 It's very weird how he responds to that. And then there's a part where 2090 02:50:20.440 --> 02:50:22.879 he's on the phone talking to the guy at the end and he's like, 2091 02:50:22.920 --> 02:50:26.639 Oh, I'm just crawling up a drain pipe. I've been on fairy dust. 2092 02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:28.559 I mean, how does it feel to fly? And he throws the 2093 02:50:28.600 --> 02:50:31.239 phone out the window. But there's another line that he says there that's very 2094 02:50:31.280 --> 02:50:37.079 weird. So it's almost like the movie functions as a fantasy for these people. 2095 02:50:37.600 --> 02:50:45.079 You know, what I've noticed in kids movies is like the dialogue is 2096 02:50:46.399 --> 02:50:54.399 really inappropriate if you're not watching what they're doing. Yes, I'm trying to 2097 02:50:54.479 --> 02:50:58.879 think, what was that movie with the rock that just came out, Jungle 2098 02:50:58.959 --> 02:51:03.680 Cruise. So there's a scene that they're talking. The dialogue sounds like a 2099 02:51:03.799 --> 02:51:09.639 sex scene like push it harder and stuff like that, but they're trying to 2100 02:51:11.040 --> 02:51:18.479 do something innocent, but what they're saying does not fit exactly that and it 2101 02:51:18.600 --> 02:51:20.520 sounds dirty. Have you know? Yes, yes, And I would say 2102 02:51:20.600 --> 02:51:24.280 that. Okay, look, you know, there has to be a point 2103 02:51:24.360 --> 02:51:31.319 where we can't as adults, we can't take everything as innuendo, because then 2104 02:51:31.360 --> 02:51:33.840 it almost functions as like, okay, now we're the ones being childish when 2105 02:51:33.840 --> 02:51:39.120 we read into that, right, But this is a film, This is 2106 02:51:39.399 --> 02:51:41.879 this is like a two hundred million dollars film where every single piece of dialogue 2107 02:51:41.959 --> 02:51:46.360 is written and rewritten and they know exactly the context, and they have dozens 2108 02:51:46.440 --> 02:51:48.680 of people to read the script, and they have dozens of people to read 2109 02:51:48.719 --> 02:51:52.879 over this, and they know what the movie's about, and look, at 2110 02:51:52.920 --> 02:52:00.319 that all the people involved. So it's creepy. I hate to old this 2111 02:52:00.440 --> 02:52:03.399 movie for anybody. Look if you look, if you I'm not going. 2112 02:52:03.959 --> 02:52:05.239 If anybody's watching and they love the movie when they were a kid, that's 2113 02:52:05.239 --> 02:52:09.120 fine. Yeah right, I'm just saying we're looking at it in terms of 2114 02:52:11.000 --> 02:52:15.239 the symbolism and in terms of you can't help but look at some of the 2115 02:52:15.319 --> 02:52:18.600 darker things with this, especially what we've just discussed with Pan. I mean, 2116 02:52:18.319 --> 02:52:22.840 well, yeah, I feel like I do that a lot too, 2117 02:52:22.959 --> 02:52:28.040 Like I spoil everything, like I've just ruined Peter Pan for everyone. Well, 2118 02:52:28.120 --> 02:52:31.280 but but listen, if somebody, if honestly, I mean, if 2119 02:52:31.319 --> 02:52:33.559 you're watching, if you were watching this and you thought, okay, that 2120 02:52:33.639 --> 02:52:35.920 spoils it for me. But then also you have to have disarmament and you 2121 02:52:37.079 --> 02:52:39.280 and you have to have your own method of going through things and deciding what 2122 02:52:39.440 --> 02:52:45.680 you think is good or not right. So you know, we're just looking 2123 02:52:45.719 --> 02:52:50.360 at it. No, we're just discussing it. So hopefully it didn't. 2124 02:52:50.600 --> 02:52:54.920 You know, be happy in your memories of the movie. I guess I 2125 02:52:54.040 --> 02:53:01.120 think you're remaining some really good points. You know, you can't know until 2126 02:53:01.319 --> 02:53:05.079 after the fact exactly what's happening, Like you said, like the piece heads 2127 02:53:05.079 --> 02:53:11.000 and the jeff Stein Island and stuff. It's like that was probably their hey 2128 02:53:11.120 --> 02:53:15.000 day that, you know, the nineties. Yeah, yeah, I mean 2129 02:53:15.079 --> 02:53:18.600 I rewatched Jurassic Park the other day and I was thinking of doing an analysis 2130 02:53:18.680 --> 02:53:22.520 on it because, you know, I read the book when it came out. 2131 02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:24.319 I was a kid. I read it when it came out, and 2132 02:53:24.360 --> 02:53:28.000 it's dinosaurs, and you know, and you watch the movie and but there's 2133 02:53:28.040 --> 02:53:33.600 a lot of Jeff Goldkum, you know when you yeah, you know, 2134 02:53:35.200 --> 02:53:43.040 wouldn't it be sexy if we have alos erupted? Right? He's a sexy 2135 02:53:43.200 --> 02:53:48.760 math katition, right, And like who it can afford to go to this 2136 02:53:48.879 --> 02:53:54.559 island where there's dinosaurs and there's the most dangerous game. Right, It's almost 2137 02:53:54.639 --> 02:53:58.079 like it's almost as if the old guy who's kind of a Jeff Stein mceffer 2138 02:53:58.200 --> 02:54:01.760 character, planned the whole thing to be him dangerous game. Why is Wayne 2139 02:54:01.799 --> 02:54:07.520 Knight the scientist on the island in the tropics? Do you think that guy 2140 02:54:07.680 --> 02:54:11.559 is going to go to the tropics? Yeah? I did a whole thing 2141 02:54:13.120 --> 02:54:18.600 on Drastic Park when I was talking about that show. If dinosaurs are real 2142 02:54:18.799 --> 02:54:22.399 or not. So in the beginning of that, we talk a lot about 2143 02:54:22.479 --> 02:54:26.639 Michael Crichton, and yeah, you're right to do a Durassic Park because that 2144 02:54:26.799 --> 02:54:33.520 whole franchise needs in depth analysis because it goes weird places, uh chimeras, 2145 02:54:33.680 --> 02:54:41.120 DNA splitting, cloning. Do you remember the part where sam Neil gives there's 2146 02:54:41.159 --> 02:54:45.559 a part of the beginning where they're on the dinosaur dig and he says, 2147 02:54:45.680 --> 02:54:50.440 this is a velociraptor claw and there's a little kid. They always get these. 2148 02:54:52.479 --> 02:54:54.159 The casting is very strange. Get they get this kid who's like a 2149 02:54:54.399 --> 02:55:00.639 Benjamin Britton, Benjamin Button poet, Benjamin Button. And he goes up and 2150 02:55:00.680 --> 02:55:03.719 he's like, what's the deal with the claw? That's stupid, And sam 2151 02:55:03.799 --> 02:55:05.920 Neel's like, well, if I were a veloci raptor, I would take 2152 02:55:07.000 --> 02:55:11.079 this and slash your And he goes on this like long, I remember exactly 2153 02:55:11.159 --> 02:55:13.479 what you're talking about. He's like, it'll rip you to shreds, and 2154 02:55:13.639 --> 02:55:18.559 yeah with the claw, yeah yeah, it'll rip you to shreds. Your 2155 02:55:18.600 --> 02:55:20.559 guts will spill out and then you will fester it. And it's like, 2156 02:55:22.319 --> 02:55:26.520 dude, enough I do just on a dinosaur dig man chill I do and 2157 02:55:26.639 --> 02:55:31.799 the kids looks like the kid looks like he walks away. Yeah, he 2158 02:55:33.000 --> 02:55:39.159 totally owned that little kid. Terrible. Okay, last question, what did 2159 02:55:39.200 --> 02:55:48.760 you think of the close ups of Dusty moth Man and hook with his They 2160 02:55:48.799 --> 02:55:52.040 are doing lots of close ups of his mustaches, tea, and his mouth. 2161 02:55:52.319 --> 02:55:56.600 Yeah, they tied a little twine around his mustache and you know, 2162 02:55:56.680 --> 02:56:00.959 his mustache has like a mind of its own. Yeah. I thought that 2163 02:56:01.840 --> 02:56:05.559 very weird casting, right, I mean, I guess if you're going to 2164 02:56:05.639 --> 02:56:09.040 get a creep to play Captain Hooked, then you would get I mean, 2165 02:56:09.120 --> 02:56:13.959 he certainly looks the party, but everybody's too old, right, even for 2166 02:56:13.079 --> 02:56:18.040 a Peter Van thing. You know, it's odd. I like the way 2167 02:56:18.120 --> 02:56:22.479 that it's resolved because he goes back because Peter Pant goes back home. And 2168 02:56:22.600 --> 02:56:26.079 then he realizes, oh no, I have a family, and he you 2169 02:56:26.159 --> 02:56:28.879 know, he goes up into the window and he says, you know, 2170 02:56:28.920 --> 02:56:31.920 always leave this window open. It's like, you know, and he reunites 2171 02:56:31.959 --> 02:56:35.000 with Wendy and then they they're a family again. So it's positive at the 2172 02:56:35.120 --> 02:56:39.600 end, right, and you know, we see the sun and it's positive. 2173 02:56:39.639 --> 02:56:41.200 And then of course, the old man finds his marbles and flies off 2174 02:56:41.239 --> 02:56:45.920 into the time portal, which is weird. I guess he's going to go 2175 02:56:46.040 --> 02:56:50.840 hang out with Jimmy Buffett and Jeff Still on the Island's name what's his name? 2176 02:56:52.120 --> 02:57:01.200 Oh? Yeah, right right? Title? What what are you doing 2177 02:57:01.239 --> 02:57:05.280 in this house? You don't even live here? Yeah? Right? He 2178 02:57:05.479 --> 02:57:07.479 was an old last boy. I've been living in there. I've been living 2179 02:57:07.520 --> 02:57:13.840 in the walls looking for my marbles, right years, I've been watching the 2180 02:57:13.920 --> 02:57:20.479 family. Yes, okay, well I'm not sure. I think we have 2181 02:57:22.719 --> 02:57:28.559 panned all of it all hand out, we've covered all of it. Yes, 2182 02:57:28.920 --> 02:57:37.120 we've done Pan Universe a pan, and I think we've made our point 2183 02:57:37.280 --> 02:57:43.239 that is probably not a good idea to be trying to contact spirits. On 2184 02:57:43.280 --> 02:57:50.440 the other side, Pan is Bapo me hidden God. And we're gonna be 2185 02:57:50.520 --> 02:57:54.520 talking a lot about that more on Rockman. And the next time you see 2186 02:57:54.600 --> 02:58:00.319 me and bast Analyzer, we're gonna be talking about washing in DC, right 2187 02:58:00.559 --> 02:58:05.520 right, Yeah, that's right, esoteric adventure of our nation's capital. And 2188 02:58:05.600 --> 02:58:09.319 that's movie awesome. Yeah, go go on the tour of esoteric architecture in 2189 02:58:09.440 --> 02:58:13.120 DC. And this wouldn't be a tour without the Albert Pike statue. I 2190 02:58:13.159 --> 02:58:22.840 think, right, giant follows of Osiris on the last Yeah, they created 2191 02:58:22.879 --> 02:58:26.559 a city laid out in a Sepharroth. Interesting, Yeah, right, But 2192 02:58:26.680 --> 02:58:28.600 I think, you know, just as the last word about Peter Pan, 2193 02:58:28.719 --> 02:58:31.799 I think that you know, I love the story as a kid, and 2194 02:58:33.120 --> 02:58:37.600 I think that the it's a it's a book in the cannon. It's a 2195 02:58:37.639 --> 02:58:41.360 classic work because it functions on a number of you know, on multiple levels. 2196 02:58:41.479 --> 02:58:45.600 And I think it's great that we went into all things Pan, which 2197 02:58:45.680 --> 02:58:48.680 is which is again related to this, because of all of the imagery, 2198 02:58:48.719 --> 02:58:52.040 all the symbolism that we've covered and far as far as we've done modern poetry, 2199 02:58:52.079 --> 02:58:56.000 we covered ancient you know, we covered Avid, we covered Alistair Crowley, 2200 02:58:56.040 --> 02:59:01.079 we covered Mac and we covered the everything Pan all the movie. So 2201 02:59:01.319 --> 02:59:03.639 I think it takes people, you know, with discernment to look at these 2202 02:59:03.680 --> 02:59:07.840 things and decide for yourself adventure novel or something darker. Who knows? Yea, 2203 02:59:07.639 --> 02:59:11.319 and thank you so much, Jamie, really appreciate you. You're welcome. 2204 02:59:11.520 --> 02:59:13.760 This is one of my favorite shows. So tell everybody where they can 2205 02:59:13.799 --> 02:59:18.360 find yourself. Yeah, you can find me at Based Lit Analyzer over on 2206 02:59:18.440 --> 02:59:22.520 YouTube and I will be back with I don't know what I'm doing next. 2207 02:59:22.600 --> 02:59:26.959 I've got a lot of sponsor streams to cover. If anybody wants to support 2208 02:59:26.959 --> 02:59:28.959 me, you can go over to my YouTube channel look at the about page. 2209 02:59:30.000 --> 02:59:31.760 You can follow me on Instagram, follow me at Basley Analyzer on YouTube. 2210 02:59:33.040 --> 02:59:37.200 I've got a weekly movie review a series coming up with made by Jim 2211 02:59:37.239 --> 02:59:39.879 Bob which will be on YouTube, and then Rock Fan We're covering the Truman 2212 02:59:39.920 --> 02:59:43.159 Show next Saturday, which is gonna be great. And you can also catch 2213 02:59:43.239 --> 02:59:48.840 me on on boiler Room on Rock Fan with the boiler Room crew and a 2214 02:59:48.920 --> 02:59:50.760 bunch of stuff coming up. So thanks, everybody, appreciate you. Thank 2215 02:59:50.799 --> 02:59:54.479 you Jamie all right, thanks, have a good night. Pace