Hello, and welcome back to Out of this World and based lit Analyzer is
back with me. We're going to be doing Pan Part two and we have
a fantastic show for you tonight. Last week we were talking all about Peter
Pan and the god Pan and Dionysus and Bacchus and mystery schools and how those
went into theater and the Greek mystery plays and how that all became popular culture
today, movies, plays, songs. All of that stuff was initiatory practices
of the ancient world into cults and learning how to invoke gods into yourself and
do things in your god form. So that's what we're going to learn about
tonight. And last time we defined Pan and we were talking about how Pan
means all universal. It is the home. So when you say own money,
pop me home, that's a Pan and any region withdrawn and without the
range of waking consciousness. And then we talked about notings, which we're going
to talk about right now with the Great God Pan book by Arthur Makin.
And another word I wanted to bring up out of the glossary of this book
about the hidden God Pan is called the Night of Pan or n O x
so in the Lima. This is like the when you lose your ego,
right, It's called the Night of Pan and it's part of being reborn by
the Goddess of Babylon. There you go, a life of Alistra Crawley.
Doesn't he talk about that in there? Yes? He does, yes,
Yeah, the Oteo rituals and you know, I'm sorry to cut you off
here. Yeah, it was interesting this, you know, because I know
we're going to get into the Makin's the great God Pan here And this was
a crazy book. It was so cral. Oh man, it's a crazy
book. I mean, there's it's like you said, it's it's like it's
like a detective story slash poet. It reminded me of Poe's Murders in the
Room Morgue, which is like the first detective story and the way that the
narrative is set up. But but the revelation of Pan, of seeing Pan,
you know, in this sort of hell night that leaves these people with
this horror struck look on their faces pretty stark. It's pretty crazy book.
It's very much like a Rosemary's Baby of Korean era, right, very much.
Yeah, we'll get into that real fast. But Okay, So the
N O X, which the ox is part of the mark of the Beast
in Thalima, right, it's the phallus and the lady part and the X
and the O fused together is what they call the mark of the Beast.
The beast is can or an amalgam of a lot of different things. It's
the alchemical Bapham, which looks a lot like Pan. Pan also is related
to the Bapham through the Goat of Mendies, the cult of Mendies in Egypt,
and he is related to the god Men of Egypt. And you can
always identify men by his uh hoots on parts. Right, Yeah, it's
very easy. You see what's going on with men. But so in this
night of Pan they call it in Felima, and the Otos is a mystical
state that represents the state of ego death and the process of spiritual attainment.
Right. And then in the AA they talk about, you know, getting
in touch with your whole in Guardian Angel and you have to cross the Abyss
and you meet drowns on and to escape the Abyss you have to pour out
your blood in the cup of Babylon and be reborn again from Babylon and Pan.
So now that your initiate in these Crowlean thelemic orders, you are a
child of Pan. Right, Yeah, there's there are two parts in this
book. This is just again this is Lawrence Sutton's Life of Alister Crowley.
I did a two parts stream on this book. There are two parts that
are pretty brief that talk about Pan. And one of course is of course,
is talking about the hymn to Pan, which is Rabbit Crowley's as Crowley's
eulogy at his funeral and in Hastings. But just briefly, it's talking about
about the AA, the what's the AA, the argentium astrom right, this
the silver silver serpent, yeah, which is in the remember that was in
the ninth Gate also remember yeah, yeah, when she had that tattoo.
It talks about what it's talking about the rights. This is about Victor Neuberg.
This is when Crowley like went to the desert with Victor Neuberg and horrify
him. It says Norberg, in turn, was assigned the draining task,
an act of magical equal equilibration of hurling himself into physical movements such as to
dance down the gods, which is similar to what you're talking about here,
there was tragically a lasting cost to pay, which one may attribute to the
magical efficacy of the rights or to the strength of Neuberg's belief in them as
one likes. According to Neuburg, during one performance of the Right of Luna's
is the Right of Luna, Crowley forgetfully, forgetfully failed to pronounce the words
to release Nouberg from his possession by the lunar planetary spirit, and Nouberg tried
to remedy the damage by later pronouncing the words himself, but to no avail.
This is when he drove the guy crazy in the desert. And that's
a really sad story too. In reliance, Yeah, like he did to
that boy. Yes, And and it talks about the also the rights of
a Lusis, which was flashed out in August and September nineteen ten. AA
membership was expanded with this, And then this is leading into in the rights
of pan The cup of Libation was passed exclusively amongst the participant A members on
stage. It's possible but not certain, that it contained peyote. And then
it goes on to talk about Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, and then let's
see on pitch two thirty four. Here he talks about Oto and the two
most memorable works of the summer where the hymn depand and the gnostic mass that
he created. So it is the he composed this is his own poems to
Pan tied him with Oto when he was creating this gnostic mass, which is
tied him with the what was the one that he did at at Lochness,
the the rights that he couldn't he stopped in the middle of and that so
it was remember he did he did this mass in the middle of uh Lock
his hall on Lockness, which burned just a few years ago. And then
they said, or somebody bought that manner like Jimmy Yeah, it was Jimmy
Page bought it. Jimmy Page bought that. And he bought the Equinox bookstore
and all of Crowley's esoteric all of his as the largest book collection of Crowley's.
He also owned Crowley's one of his estates on the Thames outside of London.
But but the house burned a few years ago, and then of course
they said Lockness was created. The Lockness monster was a product of his of
one of his gnostic masses. Yeah, I've heard that before. So and
you mentioned Pompey last time, and I found this picture of Pan from Pompey.
Can you see that? Yeah, pretty graphic him and a goat,
yes, and that and actually that ties in to Ovid, which because the
book The Great God Pan and and also what you were just talking about with
the oto rights tie takes its cue from Ovid's Metamorphosis, so in book one
because because oh my god, there's so much with this. So so the
oto Oteo rights and the Great God Pan led me to the poem by Elizabeth
Barrett Browning which was about which is about Pan walking along the banks of the
river and then picking the reads and and then that is from Ovid's Metamorphosis,
and it's it's the hit. It's the it's the myth where Pan is walking
along and sees Syrinx and attempts to r ape her, and then she turns
into a read right in the river. So then that's where he gets his
pan pipes. So so when he plays the pan pipes, it's supposed to
be a recreation of the myth of his act of rape of Syrinx, and
so did he kill her? Then in the well here she was a read.
Did he chop her down and make pipes out of her? Well,
here's what it says. So it says, it's I'll try to I'll try
to paraphrase, because it's not that long, but I'll try to paraphrase this
this part, it says Mercury told this story. This is in book one
of Ovid. It says, in the chill mountains of Arcadia E there lived
a nymph, the most famous of all the wood nymphs of Nana Chris.
The other nymphs called her Syrinx. Many a times she had eluded the pursuit
of satyrs and other spirits who haunt the shady woodlands of the fertile fields.
She was a follower of the Ortygian Goddess, imitating her in her pastimes and
in her virtue too. When she had her garments caught up out of the
way for hunting, as Diana wears hers, she could easily have been mistaken
for Leto's daughter, save that her bow was of horn, dianas of gold.
And even in spite of this, she used to be taken for the
goddess. As she was returning from Mount Lysias Pan caught sight of her,
Pan, who wears on his head a wreath of sharp leaved pine, and
he spoke these words. Mercury still had to tell what Pan said to the
nymph. And now she, scorning his prayers, ran off through the pathless
forest till she came to the still waters of sandy laid on. When the
river halted her flight, she prayed her sisters of the stream to transform her.
And when Pan thought that he had at last caught hold of searings,
he found that instead of the nymph's body, he held a handful of marsh
reads. As he stood sighing, the wind blew through the reeds and produced
a thin, plaintive sound. The god was enchanted by this new device,
and by the sweetness of the music. You and I shall always talk together,
so he cried. And then he took reads of unequal length and fastened
them together with wax. These preserved the girl's name. So that's how he
gets his pan pipe, by the attempted rope of this nymph. Yeah,
and who transforms. Oftentimes in the myths, people will transform into various natural
objects of trees or whatever to escape, you know, a body harm or
bodily justice. And then so Pan recreates his you know, with playing the
music, playing her as the music. Yeah, I was just gonna say,
that's not the only story in Greek mythology where like you said, they're
trying to get away from the rape of the gods, like especially Zeus,
right, and they turn into a bowl or something else, or even Medusa,
you know, the snakeheaded lady. She was just trying to avoid some
non consensual intimacy, right, right, and that's how she got her snakeheads.
So yeah, the pantheon is full of perverts, right, sure,
for sure. Yeah, And so we're talking about Pan. He is the
taker of innocence literally, right. He represents virility for hundity in transformation.
They call him both the giver and taker of life, so he can be
a like, you know, a representation of abundant nature or nature that destroys
like a storm, a flood or whatever. He's all of it. He's
all, yes, he's all. And that's that's mentioned that's mentioned in the
Great God Pan in the book as well. There's a part of him being
the giver and the taker, and that's of course we're tie in with the
Oto ritual right with the Yoni and the and the Krawley and stuff. Yes,
exactly, Yoni. Good word, Okay, so let's get right into
it. The Great God Pan This was written in eighteen ninety and I it
was kind of fun because it's like it's written in the style of you know,
antique Blair Witch project or something where its found manuscripts and diaries and so
found footage and plus a little narration mixed together. But you really have to
read closely and put all the clues together to figure out who is what and
what's going on. Yeah, you do, especially with like the Latin epigraphs
that are sort of sprinkled throughout. And then you realize that by wanting to
trans because they give you no translation, so by the act of translating it
yourself, then you realize that you're tied into the narrative and into the detection
story. Good point. I did go and translate it myself. I put
all those Latin words in Google and yeah, he got it. So Mockin
the author of this, Arthur Mockin. HP Lovecraft admired him. Dar Alan
Poe. He was good friends with A. E. Waite of the famous
Golden Dawn and the Tarot Deck. He did not join the Golden Dawn,
however, and this book is more of a critique. Actually, I'm like
the Libertine writers like Oscar Wilde and well like that. Yeah, so he
would be a contemporary of wild for sure. I think he, Yeah,
I think he. It's there's something that's inherent in a lot of these Nights,
especially in the Night late nineteenth century writers, where they have a Poe
sort of cadence to the way that they write. I mean, Poe died
in eighteen forty nine, but you can see that even Poe takes his sort
of cadence from like he's trying to write formally, but he he'll reuse diction,
you know, he'll he'll reuse specific terms throughout stories. But but I
see a lot of there's some of William Wilson in this as well, which
William Wilson is post short story about a doppel a guy follows a guy around
a city and like and literally meets himself in the city, and and there's
a lot of the the uh, there's a lot of I don't know,
phenomenological and phantasmagorical images in this that are straight out of it even the way
that he, you know, the nineteenth century, you would write MS for
manuscript I found, I found the MS. Right yeah, yeah, yes,
totally. So in this we're going to see some platonic ideas of the
spirit world beyond the veil, being more real than the real world, right,
yes, And we talked about that last time. So uh, like
you think of that old artwork of the alchemist peering piercing the veil. He's
got his head outside and his foot in the mundane world, but he can
see the whole galaxy. This is what we're gonna be talking about in this
book. So the world of the phenomena that we can see. They're going
to explain the first chapter that this is a pale shadow of the world of
ideas, right, and you can transcend the world of shadows and directly access
the world of ideas through certain magic rituals. And doctor Raymond this is what
he attempts to do through science, what the ceremonial magician would try to be
doing with magic circles and spells, right, which is very nineteenth century right,
hobably, Yeah, it's very much propulous too, right, Yeah,
tying in tying in science and the occult and one thing, and you always
get the scientists who want to experiment with their own things. By the way,
in this, you know, it's it's like it's like in bram Stoker's
Dracula, even in the book, where you know the doctor is inside and
he's like, well, I had to give Renfield, you know, a
strong magical dose of morphine, which then I then administered to myself just for
good measures. Yeah. So they're trying to directly access this like neo platonic
world, the one through the brain, through modification of the brain. And
we're also going to see some Victorian ideas of horror, which would be de
evolution, so that when evolution was just coming into its peak, right,
and so the opposite of that would be a horror devolving back into animal or
amba or slime or muck right right, you know, like kafka or something,
you know, going back into a Yeah. So, yeah, these
are letters and diaries and a little bit of narrative. So let's get right
in it. So it starts out this young man, mister Clark, is
visiting this old doctor, this old scientist, right, and the old scientist
is telling the young man, I have been voted myself to transcendental medicine,
right, and some people think I'm a quack in a charlatan and an imposter,
but he thinks he's on the right path. So right away we have
you know, doctor Frankenstein, yes, rot Wang. Who else archetype can
you think of? Well, definitely Frankenstein because this this is like a huge
section of the Frankenstein novel because the young man, you know, Victor Frankenstein,
at the beginning, first he suffers this traumatic shock of his mother dying,
and then he goes and he's you know, he's apprentice to this alchemist
and he's learning that, you know, the secrets of the universe through alchemy,
you know, but it's a it's a secret. This is a secret
knowledge and it's but it's tied. It's sort of in the language of scientific
research. And then he discovers electricity, and then he and then he starts
playing there's a large section of the book where he's he's playing around with uh
in the morgue and he starts assembling body parts. And when I did the
analysis of that, I saw it as you know, again, my my
take with that whole novel was that people people will often say, you know,
like when you go to the Halloween party and it's like, well,
I'm Frankenstein and they're like, no, that was the doctor, you're the
monster. But in the book it's made clear to me that there's a fusion.
There's first, there's a split, so there's an elect he goes through
a sort of electroshock therapy that he administers on himself and he splits into this
beast man that he then reassembles spiritually and in terms of the body parts into
this other creature. So the rest of the novel has spent he has spent
chasing himself. He's trying to find his own psyche and and oftentimes in movies,
you know, they'll show it that, you know, Frankenstein looks out
the window and he's in the Arctic and he sees a beast running, but
you never see that with other There are never other characters present when he does
that. But it's like to me, it's like we're getting a mirror,
you know, a window into himself where for instance, when he kills people,
he doesn't realize that it's just his altar doing it. But suffice to
say, how is it related to this, Well, again, we have
somebody who is you know, it's the secret hidden knowledge, and it's tied
in with science, and we're going to find the We're going to find the
secrets to the universe through this revealed through the newest, you know, scientific
methods. And one thing, not to give anything away with this, but
one thing that I really like about this book is that it sort of plays
it plays on what is truly horrific. One is the unknown, you know,
and the and this and this sort of spiritual element of encountering something in
the you know, I mean, he mentions the abyss many times in this
you know, encountering an other. And the other is the just the look
on a person's face when they've encountered such a thing. So we don't need
extraneous elements to deal with that. We just see the look of shock on
the person's face and that's enough to horrify the onlookers in the book. And
at the end of chapter one, that's exactly what happened. So the look
on her face was yes, terrifying, right, Yes, yes, he
says, yes, said the doctor. It's a great it's a great pity.
She is a hopeless idiot. Yes, however, it could not be
helped. And after all, she has seen the great God pan right,
So part of this is madness, just like when you see the abyss or
when you do these magic Ritchell's like you're talking about and you do it incorrectly,
you can lose your mind. So and this is all having to do
with the ideas of the matrix. Also, like, because they're talking about
the real world, is just this matrix that we can manipulate, Like Neo,
if we can pierce the veil and see the god pant, Yeah,
if you could break on through to the other side man exactly. And so
he does this uh proscedure. He says, A slight lesion in the gray
matter, that is all. Oh, and let's not forget the person that
he is experimenting on is his servant girl of course, right, an orphan
who he raised in his household. So he thinks that he can do whatever
he pleases with her anatomy. So he says, a slight lesion in the
gray matter is all a trifling rearrangement of certain cell a microscopial alteration that would
escape the attention of ninety nine brain specialists out of a hundred, so we're
already getting into like Monarch and Kaletra stuff. Yes, slitting the psyche.
Also, that reminds me of doctor Jacqueline mister Hyde. So the type of
psychic fractures are older than even World War Two. Yeah, it's in Doctor
Jacquelin mister Hyde. I can't help but think that that Lewis Jolly and West
read this book and was like, oh, yeah, this is it,
baby, this is what I want to do. Nor McDonald had a good
joke about the guy who invented the lobotomy where he said that this great scientific
hero died a hundred you know, one hundred years ago today he invented a
procedure where he made a slight slit into the gray matter and scrambled the brains.
He'll be sorely missed, right, Yeah, this guy's a total monster
and you certainly see that. Yeah, like we said in Frankenstein and Doctor
Jacquelin mister Hyde, and I was just I just did this chaos stream about
Cia and Charles Manson where Lewis Jolly and West is Tom O'Neil sort of implies
that it's Lewis Jolly and West who did these experiments on the ones that we
know about, right, which is like when he met with Jack Ruby and
and and and Charlie Charlie Manson, but also with these other characters like this
guy Jimmy Shaver who had done this horrible thing to a well, he'd done
a horrible thing on a at Lackland Air Force Base. And it turns out
that he had probably been a patient of Lewis Jolly and West before that,
even though they bring in Jolly and West to to check him out psychologically afterwards,
and then they look for the files and his last name Shaver, and
the s files are seemed to be missing. So right, there's a great
I just want to point out on page four, like the language of this
is really great because on page four there's he sort of mentioned he has a
way of mixing Shakespeare and later Crowley. You know Crowley would read this and
this is Crowley's and well I think there was a coded name for him in
this. In a couple of minutes, all I'll see if you three with
me, Al Cowley, yes, Oswald Prois, oh oh of course,
yeah, yeah, no, he Crowley did have I mean he had a
number of names, right, Pertabo master Theian. But I feel like Oswald
was one of them. And also I can picture him writing his you know,
he always had like phallic and yoni signatures, and his pervert signature,
and his the way he wold his name. But on page four here it
says it's people should read this book. It's very short. It says,
I stood here one evening. It was a summer evening in the valley looked
much as it does now. It's the bottom of page four. I stood
here and saw before me the unutterable, the unthinkable gulf that yawns profound between
two worlds, the world of matter and the world of spirit. I saw
the great, empty, deep stretch dim before me, and in that instant
a bridge of light left from the earth to the unknown shore, and the
Abyss was spanned. Yeah, that's that's Meltonian. I mean, that's Meltonian
language. That's crossing the Abyss. And then later with Crowley talking about meeting
Quranson, Yes, and later on it's going to connect to Nodens. The
gotta be abyss, right, right, that's is that the goat? Is
that the goatman you talked about last week? The goat fish. No,
that's Capricorn. Oh yeah, that gave me the creepy So Nodens is known
for his lightning flash and what I got in my mental imagery when he was
talking about that is the synopsis between brain cells use electricity to communicate and fire
to you know what I mean. So what he's seen is a great expanse.
It could be a giant brain with the electrical impulses going between synapsis and
connecting those and that's what he thinks he's going to do with this operation.
Yeah, and you're you're so right page six of the book. You see
that parchment Oswald Crollius. Yeah, and then he says, but to justify
that that it's not just a random name thrown in because inevitably somebody will say,
well, what's that evenue with Crowley. No, he says he was
one of the first to show me the way, although I don't think he
ever found it himself. That is a strange saying of his. In every
grain of wheat there lies hidden the soul of a star, which is like
every man and every woman is a star exactly. That's great. Wow,
that's good find. So doctor Raymond, the Mad Scientists has invited this young
man named mister Clark to witness this brain surgery. Doctor Raymond fancies himself like
a sort of pioneer, really a psychonaut, delving into the abyss of gray
matter and nerve cells in the brain. And he talks about He says,
I'm perfectly instructed as to the possible functions of those nerve centers. With a
touch, I can say I can set free the current. With a touch,
I can complete the communication between this world of sense and dot dot dot.
So he's already talking about manipulating uh, your perception of this world and
the spirit world by brain surgery, right right, which yeah, which is
a lot like I mean, Jay and I did Wizard of Oz and returned
to Oz, and it seems like returned to Oz especially is like a metaphor.
Uses that as a kind of metaphor, like the lightning storm is the
electric shock table that they put her on at the beginning, we see like
lightning flashes. They're manipulating the brain going into another world, piercing the veil.
Good point, and so he says, it will leve level utterly the
solid wall of sense and probably for the first time since man was made a
spirit will gaze on a spirit world, Clark, Mary will see the god
pain. And then this is so weird. I don't know if you caught
this, but the next sentence right after that, it says Clark is talking
to doctor Raymond, and Clark says, but you remember what you wrote to
me. I thought it would be requisite that she and he stops and he
whispered the rest into the doctor's ear, and they never go back, or
they never say what was the requisite that she I don't know if they're talking
about her being a virgin or something. Yeah, I suppose that would be
it, right, So he says, the doctor says, oh, never
mind about that. It's better as it is. I'm certain of that.
So this might be a clue when it comes out later that we'll get to
that, okay, So just keep that in your mind, right, because
you never explained that. And then he talks about how he rescued this girl
from the gutter from certain starvation when she was a child. I think her
life is mine to use as icy fits. So there is his uh moral
compass right there, right, and which, by the way, ties into
Peter Pan right, because we're talking about orphans and Peter Pan chasing his own
shadow, flying, flying from one from the flying from the I guess you
could say the figurative world of Neverland or the other world across the ocean back
into you know, the big smoke London through the window and then chasing his
own shadow. And he's an orphan And that ties in with I mean Hook,
which we're gonna talk about. I know it plays a big that's a
major part of the motif in that film. Yeah, the orphanage. So
they do talk about that the operating table was a stone slab, like how
horrific yet right, right, And then when the doctor's mixing toget the anesthesia
or whatever it's gave this like super odd odor that reminded Clark of a encounter
that he had with the Devil or with Pan when he was young. So
here's the theme that Pan is a generational thing because Peter Pan comes to visit
you generation after generation, right, yes, And Hook said, remember Hook
says, Captain Hook says that I'm going to keep coming back to you generation
after generation, to all of your children. Yeah, if you go to
the doctor's office and you smell listen, folks, I went to the doctor's
office. I smelled sulfur and brimstone. It was terrible. I said to
myself, Why is my doctor putting me on a stone slab with spirals all
around? It's very strange, it's very odd. Yeah, maybe that's not
the right doctor. Oh I forgot. We're going to talk about Panslaver and
tonight. Yeah. Yeah, because the same thing occurs in that. Yes,
yes, so Clark. He passes out because of the smell of the
like chemicals, and he dreams of the day that he met Pan, when
the temperature was so tropical, and he dreamt of a moment in time he
stood face to face with a presence. It was neither man nor beast,
neither neither living nor dead, but all things mingled, the form of all
things, but devoid of all form. And in that moment the sacrament of
body and soul was dissolved, and a voice seemed to cry, let us
go. Hence, and then the darkness of darkness beyond the stars, the
darkness of everlasting. So their clear night of Pan. Right, yeah,
he is this where he ends up on the bottom of page eight, there's
this great part where he says, I turn on Mike little he says,
and the wood. I know you've gotten this part. But Clark, in
the deep folds of dream, was conscious that the path from his father's house
had led him to an undiscovered the undiscovered country. So when he says the
undiscovered country, that's that's a hamlet reference from from Once No Traveler Returns.
He's talking about death there undiscovered country, and he was so, but continuously
in this it's the metaphor that you see Pan at the moment of ecstasy before
death, and then you go into the great beyond of death, which is
the shimmering abyss of hell. I suppose in this, when suddenly, in
place of the hum and murmur of the summer, an infinite silence seemed to
fall on all things in the wood was hushed. Course, it's the wood,
because Pan lives in the wood. And for a moment in time he
stood face to face there with a presence that was neither man nor beast,
neither the living nor dead, but all all all things, mingled the form
of all things, but devoid of all form. And in that moment the
sacrament of body and soul was dissolved, and the voice seemed to cry,
let us go hence. Yeah, that's that's great. Yeah, you just
read the part about let us go hence and it gives way to the most
awful terror. M god. Yeah. So he brings the girl in for
the procedure, and Clark is waking up from his vision. Yeah, and
he brings around her. Name's Mary, of course, yeah right, virgin
Mary. Yeah, but maybe not. And then he the doctor's like,
are you willing to trust yourself to me entirely? And she says, oh,
yes, of course, give me a kiss before you begin, and
so the doctor kisses her. So this is weird, weird stuff going on
between Mary and old psychonaut doctor. Yes, this this reminds me of have
you seen that movie A Dangerous Method? David Cronenberg. It's about Freud and
Young and their relationship with each other. Viggo Mortenson and Michael Fassbender and Michael
Fastbender gets this patient who's Kia Knightly and she's like this, she's like a
schizophrenic orphan and he ends up doing pervert things. What's it called. It's
called A Dangerous Method. Okay, it's pretty good film. I mean it's
a it's a you know, the whole thing centers around his perversion with this
this patient of his. But he's like, oh, you know, it's
therapeutics that I enact the things that she wants me to enact. Yeah,
like some Kinsey therapy, right, right, So yeah, he puts her
asleep. It says she crosses her arms on her breast like a little child
about to say her prayers. So this is also an esoteric thelemic mm HMMA
virus. Right. Yeah, I just realized also that Wendy is Mary,
right, She's Wendy Moira. What's her name, Wendy, Wendy Moiler Angela
Darli Right, Moira is a Irish form of Mary. Oh is it?
Yeah? Oh? Okay? And yeah, because when we talk about Peter
Pan and Wendy the twenty twenty three one, this was all about her.
Really, this is all about her coming of age, Yeah, her awakening,
and that's really when Pan goes for you, is when you blossom into
a woman. Yeah. I got a lot of things to say about that
one. So so they do this procedure on for Mary, the servant girl,
the little gutter snipe that he rescued from Victorian England. And I'm here,
I'm here to rescue you. Yeah, it's gonna be great. I'm
gonna give you a good life. A stone slab just totally scramble your brains
for a second. So it works. And when they come back to see
her, it says she's lying wide awake, rolling her head from side to
sign, grinning vacantly and looking like just a terror. I mean that gave
me a chill, Actually it was. The old stuff is a lot scarier
sometimes than the new. It is, yes, because again there's no extraneous
it's all about the imagery, like the simple imagery, and the psychology,
well not not in terms of psychological terms, but in terms of like what
your brain is is seeing as you're engulfed into the narrative because we're again.
One of the things about this is that even though it's a kind of a
disparate narrative, like they're various voices and we're finding things, the reader is
brought along into finding these like various artifacts, as if we're the detective,
so that when you come across them, you're led into this place where you
want to see what's around the corner, and then when you see it,
you're oh my god, yes, yes it is it's worse. So it
worked, and it said it is a great pity. She is a hopeless
idiot. However it could not be helped. And after all she has seen
the great God pants right, So poor Mary, that was her fate h
turning into a grinning crazy Do you remember that movie The People on the Stairs
and that the lady they had to take care of it. It reminded me
of there's a lot of the Ripper in this. There's a lot of Jack
the Ripper in this because he mentions eighteen eighty eight and there's a white chapel.
He mentions that if I think it's three different references in this book too,
Ripper. But I remember at the end of From Hell or and No
midway through, when you know Ian Holme is doing the the lobotomy on the
girl, and she's the girl that has seen who the Ripper really, so
she's in a sense she's seen the same thing. She has seen, this
hellish version. That's what he wants to enact as this Masonic you know ritual
where she's like meeting her her fate and he is the agent of fate here,
right, and then he lobotis, lobotomizes her, So she's stuck there
forever and she's like this whimpering idiot left in the a bail and all the
scientists are like, oh, very good. Yeah yeah, don't an old
chap as you've done it, We're gonna oh okay. So chapter two is
all about mister Clark in his past. So he had a vision of Pan
in the childhood. Now he's obsessed with stories about the devil and he tries
to stop himself, but he just cannot keep himself from collecting all of these
accounts of people seeing the Devil or Pan. And one of the stories that
he has in his collection is about a girl named Helen V. So Helen
V was It just jumps into like another story and you have no idea how
this connects to what just happened with the Mary and the lobotomy, right right,
But so now you're reading the story about Helen V. Who showed up
in a village under peculiar circumstances and was given to some a off to parents
to raise when she became of age because they wanted to socialize her, right
right, So they gave her to some foster parents, and weird things start
happening in this village. One was a little boy sees Helen V in the
woods with a man, and he what he saw caused him to have a
nervous breakdown. Right, the little boy, yeah, yeah, he was
horrified at hearing the most dreadful screams, evidently the results of a great terror.
The little boy was running headlong, was evidently terribly frightened, And on
questioning him, the man elicited that after picking a posy of flowers, he
felt tired and laid down on the grass and fell asleep, and he's playing
on Helen V. Was playing on the grass with a strange naked man.
He said, he felt dreadfully frightened and ran away, crying for his father,
Joseph. Joseph Dubbs proceeded in the direction indicated by his son and found
Helen V. Sitting on the grass in the middle of a glade or open
space left by charcoal burners. And then it was a strange man. And
then the bottom of that paragraph. He became nervous and strange in his manner,
refusing to leave the cottage by himself, and constantly alarming the household by
waking in the night with cries of the man in the wood, father father,
Oh my gosh. Yeah, so this is kind of like the Village
era, right, Yes, And what Helen b does is goes out all
day long and stays in the woods and comes back, you know, at
dark. And that's all she does. And a person who gave her to
the foster parents said, just let her do whatever she wants and I'll pay
you handsomely to just you know, house her. Yeah, this is like
it's like, it's like the Village. It's like the Crucible at the beginning
of the Crucible because the whole story starts because the town puritan preacher is walking
along looking for he's looking for his girl that he took in, who is
his niece that he like, there's a lot of innuendo in it, and
he is watching her from the bushes and she's with the group of women and
then they see, you know, they see him with Tituba Tituba from Barbados,
and she's cutting the chicken and rubbing blood all over themselves and then they're
dancing over a magic circle and then over the over the fire and then when
he catches her, then she goes catatonic. That it's also the same By
the way, I just rewatched The Witch and which has which has a pan
black Philip goat figure in it who turns into Lucifer. And there's a scene
in that where the father says, we got to get well, what's the
what's the girl's name in it? We have to get her, he says,
we have to get her out of here. We have to get her.
We have to hire her out to one of the other families in town.
They'll take care of her. So it's like, again, you're gonna
have this this girl who's like good, They're gonna sort of orphan her and
then sell her to another group because of the horror that she's witnessing, which
is after the baby gets taken in the Witch. So it's sort of the
same. It's the same thing. You go out in the woods, you
see the pan satan figure in the woods playing around with the witches and taking
people. You get horrified, and then you sell the kids off. I
suppose what I like those movies because part of the horror is just how they
had to survive back then, right, just how like Bare Bones you had
to chop down the trees to make your house and just yeah, in the
cold winter, and it just adds a whole layer of horror and uncomfortability to
it. It does. And also because especially the Puritan ones, it's like
the beginning of the move of the Witch's he's too Puritan for the Puritan government
group in the town. He's like, you, no, you're not doing
it right. We've come across the ocean and we didn't like how you did
it, So we're going to go out on our own, right. But
the woods is where the devil lives for them, and so they're already they're
already oppressed by the fact that like they're they're it's like they're a mini cult
within themselves, right, Yeah, cult within a cult. And how alstra
Parli's dad was because he was a plymouth Brethren's right, so weird culty pilgrim
people. Yeah, nothing is ever pure enough for that. Yeah. They
needed to just come down here to Virginia, all right. It would have
been a lot it would have been a lot different, you know, down
here in Virginia in Jamestown, right, They it was all about they were
making money, right, they're working for the Virginia Company. And then they
all started cannibalizing each other because they could they were like, you know,
what, what are we gonna do? You know, the city engines,
And then John Smith got here and said, look, you people are perverted,
like this is freaky. All right, Look here's how it's gonna be.
Don't if you don't work, then you don't eat and everything else.
We're just gonna survive and make our stuff. We're not going to be We're
not going to be culty out here, right, there's not gonna be any
like going out into the woods. And you're more hardcore than the rest of
us. You're gonna stay within the limits of the town and we're gonna you
know. But what's interesting too about this book is like it's on the cusp
of like the scientific revolutions and going away from spiritualism to materialism and just stark
like what you can see is matter and that's it. But already we're marrying
technology to black magic and devil and also like nature worship, right right,
I guess and Helen she's called Helen, I guess how she feeling like,
I suppose she's like Helen of Troy. So so Helen is taken from Agamemnon
and taken to Troy, right where she's sort of worshiped like a goddess and
is the cause of war. So that gets transposed into their into war in
themselves, I suppose. But Allen is an object of beauty in other words.
Well, speaking of that, they are linking a lot of these things
to the Roman times because the village was by a Roman old Roman wall or
boundary. And then when the little boy who saw her with pan If he's
having these nervous breakdowns and they take him to the doctor's house and he sees
the statue of pan and like loses it. Yeah, and they're like,
oh, we just excavated this like from an old like not too long ago,
and so it's almost like Puzuzu powers yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
If you're excavating and you find a statue of this devil man, just
put it back. No smash it, just smash the damn thing. So
there's that story. And then so Clark is going through all of these papers
of like, uh, the X files. Right, He's got a bureau
of X files that he's going through. So now we're reading these X files.
Another file was about a girl, and so you're saying bat boy is
real. Bat boyle kills Gully. Remember I tweeted, I tweeted at him
when I stawt of Twitter, I tweeted at him afterwards that show, that
episode was on television. I tweeted him you saying bat Boy is real.
He loved it. Goat Boy is real. Yeah. Yeah, So Helen
B grows up a little bit. She gets a friend who's about her age.
They're staying they're about what like fifteen sixteen ish made an age and Helen
B takes her friend into the forest and to get h. M. L.
E. Steed by Pan. Yeah right, this is this is Pan
Pans Labyrinth, by the way, I mean that's that's the Romans, because
in Pans Labyrinth they're the Roman Ruins. Yeah, and she she immediately when
they get to the place where they are for the you know, the fascists
go up and they're whatever, they have their little place, the phylangists,
and then she immediately sees the Roman Ruins and walks into it, into the
labyrinth and then there it's almost like he is walking through a labyrinth. The
man in the wood grotesque appearance, the owner of the house. Uh,
well that's what you just read here. Yeah, but I might note it
was at the top of the page was sra a monarch Kathy O'Brien. Okay,
yeah, EXCESSI Helen was known in the village for excessive liberality, and
the impression was general that she would one day inherit a large sum of money
from the relative and then takes her into the woods. Yeah. So at
this point the reader does not know what Helen has to do with Mary,
right, And then at the end of this chapter, the Helen's friend disappears
or her mom finds her in the bed with her her skirt up that she
has been taken advantage of by Pan, and then she disappears. And then
at the end is this Latin. Yeah, a diabolis incarnate st at homo
factus est, which is and a devil was made incarnate and a human being
was produced. So this is very Rosemary's baby, it is. And that's
also that the Elizabeth Barrett Browning Palm, the great God Pan is dead and
I wrote atavistic reversion to ancestral antique and primordial also on that facing page on
page twenty. It's just interesting to look at the language because because it is
like you're reading Twilight language. Because we're talking about a book where we're talking
about two world two different worlds, you know, a literal and a figurative
here and now and a spiritual world that's beyond the veil. It's interesting to
look at some of the language and how it adds up, like when you
just look at Oh, you can't really see that when you look at the
page. Just the verbs in that one paragraph live, die, struggle,
conquer, fail, fall, grieve, suffer, m nightmare, Yeah,
unspeakable elements and throned as it were, and triumphant and human flesh mhm.
Oh. And this is foreshadowing. This is foreshew. It's foreshadowing that Pan
has what did I write? Oh, that he has Well, I don't
want to give away what happens in the book, but foreshadowing is something that
happens that Pan is done in this sex magic ritual. Yeah. Okay,
So now we're getting to chapter three where some more characters are introduced. So
many characters k Billier, Wattam and Charles Herbert. So these are two Dandy's
well one Villier. He's just like a man about town, right, He's
like you're Dorian Gray or I'm a Jack the lad yeah, and noticed at
the bottom of that page. I couldn't help but think that of the part
with an animal lecture, because it talks about Villiers had emerged from his restaurant
and after an excellent dinner of many courses, assisted by his ingratiating little flask
of keyanti. Yeah, he did what did you call it? A foppish
Yes, he's a foppish dandy man, Foppish dandies. And he is just
finishing his fine meal and he comes out and he runs into like a homeless
beggar, and he recognizes him as somebody who he graduated with not too long
ago from university. So he's like, how did I end up here?
And you ended up there? Right? Well, the world needs ditch diggers
too, I suppose. Come to find out, he was red pilled when
he met Helen V. And Helen VU corrupted his soul. Right, So
the homeless beggar man married this Helen lady, all right. And he said
she spoke of things which even now I would not dare whisper in the blackest
night, not in your most fantastic, hideous dreams. Can you have imagine
forth the faintest shadow of what I've heard and seen so he's seen some shit.
Yeah right, I've seen some stuff, man, and heard some shit.
He bought that thousand yards stare of you know, post traumatic stress disorder,
just from being married to this Helen And she was a ruined man.
I mean he was a ruined man in a year because she took it all
from him and left him and left him haunted. And he does not even
think of her as human. I was a foolish I was a foppish dandy
of the nth degree until I met this Siza. Yes, that things.
He doesn't ever blink again. Page twenty three. Also it talks about London
has been called the city of encounters. It's more than that, it's the
city of resurrection. And then on page fifty six, later on, jumping
on, it'll call it. They'll call London the city of nightmares. Yeah,
because he a haunted, haunted man who has seen hell. So then
they're talking again about the bad odor that came from their house, from the
homeless man and Helen Bee's house, they call it. They like to use
the word queer in this book, in the in the weird way, in
the way that it means he was he was a queer fellow. He had
an owner like Henry Lee Lucas. It was unmistakable. So him and Helen
moved into this house. And then there's like dead bodies happening around the house.
There's all this bad smells. People don't want to be friends with them.
Everyone who saw her said she was at once the most beautiful woman and
the most repulsive they had ever set eyes on. So there's another alchemical like
duality. Yeah, it sounds like Crowley's low La Zaza or whatever. Sounds
like the scarlet women that he wanted, you know, beautiful, beautiful women
that he then degrades into beasts. Well, not only that this book that
I haven't done the Robin Show yet because I was not feeling good this week,
but they talk about the law of reversion and the an ad that he
put out for Scarlett in calling for ugly women, fat women, women with
scars, tattoos, colored women. Not that that's ugly, but he in
the time, he was trying to think of anything that he was repulsed by,
and he wanted to leave that in his ritual imagine answering the ad.
Right, God, that's me, I'm ugly finally, so Helen is bad
news. She stinks she's beautiful and ugly at the same time. And so
now Villers and Clark, Villier not Villers and Clark, are friends somehow.
So they're trying to figure out who is this total lady who was the downfall
of his college friend? Right? Is he Clark? Because it's like,
I know this is English, but he said he was a pioneer. The
other guy thought of himself as a pioneer. So it's kind of like this
duo figure. So it's kind of a Lewis and Clark, you know,
duo here. And then we have Villier the villain. He's not the villain,
but there's there's definitely a part on page thirty. This is the beginning
of the Ripper connections that I saw in the book, because at the top
of page thirty it says, but some very odd things came out about them.
Though it was between five and six in the morning. The dead man
was removed and a large crowd had collected and several of his neighbors ran to
see what was going on. So he was removed, and then part of
me at the bottom of the page, I know perfectly well what caused death.
Blank died of fright of sheer awful terror. I never saw features so
hideously contorted in the entire course of my practice, and I've seen the faces
of a whole host of dead. The doctor was usually a cool customer,
enough in certain vehemence, and his manner struck me, but I couldn't get
anything more out of him. That's the same thing that happens. I did
it again. I did an analysis of Chack the for about a year ago,
and that's the same sort of things that the investigators are saying when they
come upon the bodies. And then there are more references later on in the
book, which we'll get to. What what what year was Jack the Rivers
eighteen ninety eight, Yeah, and this was eighteen ninety so it was well
known. Yeah, it's not fresh on everybody's mind. So then they introduced
a couple more like characters. Austin a guy named Austin Billy are friends and
they are kind of on the trail of like Helen V. And then this
other lady, Missus Beaumont m so. Missus Beaumont is known for like hosting
weird dinner parties that everybody loved all of the gentry of London like to go
to her weird dinner party. Yes, come to my salon. All the
faults will be there. It's like I guess, I guess at the end
of the Victorian era, you know, every sort of passion was was satiated.
Right, So then they started to get into the occult. Yeah,
and into you know, mixing electrical energy and the occult and these seances and
looking for something else to satisfy them because they had opium. Right, remember
they remember they invented morphine as a cure for cocaine or was it love vice
versa. One was an invented one was invented as a cure for the other.
Right, Oh, your child is on morphine, Well take some cocaine.
Right, And they you know, and they can do anything they want
and have that they have all this money in this power and they owned you
know, a quarter of the globe. So at that point I guess they
start getting into the occult, right, because they're just pushing boundaries of science
and exploration and discovery and so what next is the spirit world? Because they've
conquered you know, pretty much under that regime, what packs Britannica at that
time, like, yeah, there was nowhere else to go. Yea.
So one scene in this book they are looking at some artwork of somebody who
has had a run in with this lady, and it says in the frightful
Waltzburgus Night of evil, strange, constrous evil, that the dead artist had
set forth in hard black and white, the figures of fawns and satyrs and
ag pants danced before his eyes. So I had to look up what an
ag pan was, and that is the capricorn. Yeah, that's the goat
fish. Yeah, yeah, danced before his eyes, the darkness of the
thicket, the dance on the mountaintop, the scenes by the lonely shores and
green vineyards, by rocks and desert places, a world before which the human
soul seemed to shrink back and shutter. So coming into contact with this person
has caused artists to go mad, little children to go mad, maidens to
lose their virtue and disappear and die. Right, So, everybody who comes
into contact the person who has a terrible fate. Yeah, yeah, you
would pass the rest of your life as I passed by a haunted man,
a man who has seen hell. Yeah. So this poor guy. He
is black pill. And then there's some more Latin in this chapter on page
forty six. Okay, I'm talking about the universe is silent throughout the day
and just basically like pan with the fish tails playing reef pipes. Mm hmm
right, oh yeah, okay, oh yeah. My note says, yeah
the the aji Panem zodiac Capricorn, goatfish c f jamie reference I wrote.
I wrote, Uh, let's see, the universe is lifeless at day,
but the secret is not without horrors at night fires shine. Yeah, this
is the this is from this paragraph. The the a japanis, Oh,
this is the this is the Latin inscription. Oh yeah, I'm just translating
it now. Yeah yeah see La paradam universus. Yeah so so I don't
know what what you're translation was. The universe is lifeless at day, but
the universe is not without horrors at night, fires shine. The a japanis
uh uh, I couldn't read my writing here. Resounds everywhere. The melody
of the flutes and the tinkling of the symbols are heard on the sea coast,
which sounds like a which sounds like a almost like a stage in a
ritual initiation. Well, speaking of that, the chapter six talks about So
we've got this lady Missus Beaumont that we're got our eye on. Now we've
got Helen v We've got Mary the lobotomized girl, Clark Villier, and now
we get Lord Argentine or Argentine favorite in London is byronic. Yeah, he
was the foppiest of fops, right, But basically what they're saying is like
anybody that goes to dinner at Beaumont's, Like all of these people who wouldn't
be committing un ali being on themselves are doing this for no reason. And
it's like a rash of these in London. And I was gonna say it's
also it's also we get these this variety of characters who represent the various levels
of high society. Yeah, I'm mixed in with this and sometimes they are.
I mean, this is byronic, he says, Lord argent Lord Argentine
was a great favorite in London society. At twenty he had been a poor
man, decked with the surname of an illustrious family, but forced to earn
a livelihood as best he could, and the most speculative of money lenders would
not have en trusted him with fifty pounds on the chance of ever changing his
name for a title and his poverty for a great fortune. That's Byron.
That's I mean, that's Byron to a T. Byron is the richest poor
man, right, He's got he's got a name and a title, but
he has no money, and he's subject to money lenders and and you know
he's he ends up being finance by this weird in his real life. I
did. There was a biography of Byron. He was financed by this weird
society woman who hosted these salons and she was involved in oswatch Shut activities.
And he writes her, yeah, that's her. Yeah, And he writes
letters to her saying like please, I don't want to do that. You
know, I don't want to do this anymore. He doesn't say what that
this is? Yeah, She's like, you must go you must do the
thing. Yeah. People can go back and watch that Byron stream. But
that's Byron too a T. Yeah. Is that on your channel? Yes?
Yeah. So the thing that I wrote about the Lord Argentine on Aliving
was that they found him his body leaning forward at an angle from the bottom
of the bed he had choked himself in the way that like Robin Williams was
found and more people have been found like that, right, Yeah, it's
not in the way of the total pervert thing, right, the guy from
kill Bill was found. But it is which is the auto Dad? Yeah,
David Carradine, which which which? Again I hate to bring Norman to
this again, but Norm McDonald says, the worst part about that is the
fact that you do that and then you are found, so someone has to
find you like that. Yeah, and they had to keep together what happened?
Right? Right? Oh boy? But he is you know, you
have found strangled I suppose, And and there was a coming up. There's
another one. I don't think it was this one, but there's another one
in here that was just like I think it was at was Aldo Morow.
Aldo Morrow was the guy that was involved with P two Lodge and the Vatican
scandal. Was he the one that was found strangled in the Masonic ritual over
the Thames? I don't know. I'm sure when this goes loud somebody will
say who it was. But what about Captain Morgan? Didn't he have a
bad like that for talking about masonry. I don't know, ap. I
thought it was just that. No, I was gonna make trying to make
some stupid joke about spicy rum. No, I'm serious, Like he was
a foppish character, though he was a very captain hook character. Yeah,
he he did something they didn't like. I'll have to look that up again.
So anyways, each of the people that did this had dined at her
house the night before and no reason whatsoever. Right, but this is the
Missus Beaumont who has taken London by storm. She would be called very handsome,
and yet there's something about her face which I didn't like. Well,
spoilers ahead. Helen v Helen, the lady that ruined the college guy,
Missus Beaumont are all the same, right, And then you come to find
out that this was actually the daughter of Mary who got the lobotomy and saw
a pant. So it's generational, yes, And one fifty one is a
good descriptions talking about Lord Swanley, h was found one morning in his dressing
room hanging from a peg a fixed to the wall. Again, there was
no explanation in either case, but a few bald facts. A living man
in the evening and a body with a black, swollen face in the morning.
That alone is that's yeah. The police have been forced to confess themselves
powerless to arrest or to explain the sordid murders of White Chapel. There's your
Jack the Ripper reference, and White Chapel is for the folks at home.
White Chapel is a district in the East end of London where the Jack Ripper
murders took place. That's still there. Each of these men who had resolved
to die a tortured, shameful death, was a rich, prosperous and to
all appearances, in love with the world, and not the acutest research should
fared out any shadow of a lurking motive in either case. And there's a
fit. There's a victim of a fifth nameless tragedy which ties in with Jack
River. Again. It's like a the points of the pentagram. And then
again we get this reiteration of this kind of phrase about discovering the dead body
on the next page fifty two at the bottom. I never experienced such a
feeling of horror as when I read the account of Argentine's death. I didn't
understand at the time and I don't now. And then there's the there's the
theory of acute suicide scidal mania. And then they say, as for the
theory of mania, that is very well page fifty three. That is very
well, of course, for the coroner's journey. But everybody knows that it's
all nonsense. S sidal mania is not smallpox. And then it talks about
then it goes into the labyrinth. Austin tried to shake off the remembrance of
tragedies as hopeless and perplexed as the Labyrinth of data Lists, and began to
talk in different voice of the more pleasant incidents and adventures of the season.
The Labyrinth of data Lists, of course, is in the in the Myths,
and is where data List is, you know. Data List makes his
way through the labyrinth and uses the string to to track his way back.
He creates the labyrinth, but at at the inside the labyrinth is the Minotaur,
and the Minotaur. The Minotaur is a is a character as an archetype
who sits in the abyss in Judgment in Dante's Inferno. He's in one of
the circles of Hell, and so is Minos. Minos appears there as well,
so in other words, you're making your way through the labyrinth. But
also, and that is going to happen with pet Pans Labyrinth, but is
a way of talking about making your way through your psyche and through your you
know, a spiritual journey through your spot, your psyche, finding of course
the beast at the center of the thing. Right, So the labyrinth is
like, yeah, you just said your psyche. And it always has to
do with girls coming of age. I mean the movie Labyrinth with Connelly classic
right right, or Jack Torrence chasing Danny through the Labyrinth at the end of
the Shining Yea where he is the mentaur in that. So let's skip to
page sixty five where they're talking about Missus Beaumont's parties, and they're talking about
an account of the entertainment Missus Beaumont provided for her choice or guests. He
says, his eye caught by a word and phrase that followed it, and
sick at heart, with white lips and cold sweat pouring down like water from
his temples, he flung the paper down. It doesn't really say what he
read, but they said, is is horrible enough, but after all,
it is an old story, an old mystery. Played in our day and
in dim London streets instead of amidst the vineyards and the olive gardens. So
what do you make of that? Well, I think there's a continuous motif
in this of people coming across artifacts like we mentioned, and then living art,
you know, living or dead artifacts. That those are the terms mentioned
in Donnie Darko that I just did. So I keep using artifacts, but
faces, faces and pieces of paper that indicate absolute shock and horror at the
thing that they're finding in the labyrinth. And again this also occurs, just
to jump back on page fifty eight. Why because it made my blood run
cold to see that man's face. I could never have supposed that such an
infernal medley of passions could have glared out of any human eyes. I almost
fainted as I looked. I looked, I knew I looked into the eyes
of a lost soul, that man no longer belonged to this world. It
was a devil's face I looked upon. So the I suppose the paper that
they're finding at this point is what's on the paper? Is it part of
the description of the ritual? At that point, I think it was her,
a sketch of her face that they're putting two and two together like this
is also this person or whatever? Right I wanted to ask you what the
symbol was on page sixty five, So sixty five sixty six he says,
we know what happened to those who chanced to meet the great God Pan,
and those who are wise know that all symbols were symbols of something, not
of nothing. It was indeed an exquisite symbol beneath which men long ago veiled
their knowledge of the most awful, most secret forces which lie the heart of
all things. What do you think that symbol was? Because then they go
on to talk about electric currents and such forces cannot be named, cannot be
spoken, cannot be imagine, except under a veil and a symbol, A
symbol to the most of us, appearing a quaint, poetic fancy to some
a foolish tale. What do you think that symbol is? A terror that
may dwell in the secret place of life? I think that well. By
alluding to a symbol and not naming the symbol, but then in the same
paragraph talking about how symbols are symbols of something, not of nothing, it's
interesting. There's a weird there's a weird play being there's something weird happening here
in terms of the play on language and in terms of what we're supposed to
imagine. So this is one example of the book is great at showing us
the thing, right, and they show us the horror, but they don't
tell us an exposition what it is. And the rest of a lot of
the book is exposition, but in terms of the actual horrific things. But
this part it's it's like we get to a thing and they say that there's
a symbol, it's a symbol of something, but then they don't show or
name the symbol exactly. It didn't describe what it's a yes, so it's
supposed to be something that we can imagine, but we're left up to ultimate
horror to be able to imagine what it is. It could be a number
of things, but it's almost more horrific. What is it? I was
thinking, symbol is it? It's the it's the anc. No, it's
prince. Remember that symbol that he used artist, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
which was which was like an anc with a little yeah. Well it
was like man and woman with a little swirly do see. I thought it
was to me, if I imagine something like this, something that's commonplace,
but it is supposed to be something that's even deeper, and I imagine the
spiral, and and because I think that's that's so ingrained, I think once
you cross a certain Okay, so in terms of if you are in this
sort of circle of people, who are you know, reading this sort of
stuff and in the general you know, conspiracy world, and you're reading about
those things, there's a point at which you can't return, right, And
for me, that point is learning about the the PG the p Gate stuff
and the conspiracy of silence. I don't want to say, but people know
what that is. But when I see that, that to me is a
commonplace symbol. And it's about energy, right. It's like a revolving hurricane,
the swirling of the psyche inside the brain, the jumbling of the brain
stew that the doctors are creating in these in these people, and also the
circles of hell. But it's swirling downwards. And it's also something that occurs
in all It occurs in Pan's Labyrinth, it occurs in Hook. I didn't
see it in Peter Pan and Wendy, but it's something that it seems to
be indicative of the a sort of sex magic ritual tied in with you know,
a hellish vision. Yeah, what about that? The black and white
spiral of the hypnotists us. Right, it's kind of right, going,
yeah, going down deeper into yourself, into the subconscious mind. Yeah,
I mean, what's worse than that? That is hell right? Yeah,
being trapped inside your own mind like that. Yeah. So here at the
climax of the story, the guys who figure out that Missus Helen v.
Missus Beaumont, all of these people are the same. He says he's gonna
go to her house, and he says, I shall offer her a choice
alone with this chord in a locked room for fifteen minutes. If we go
in it's not done, I shall call call the nearest policeman. That is
all. So there's really nothing in the storyline after that except for this papers
by a doctor, the fragments of the doctor who witnessed what happened when they
to confront Missus Beaumont, and the doctor says, I was privileged or a
cursed to see that which was on the bed line. They're black like ink
transformed before my eyes, the skin and the flesh and the muscles and the
bones, and the firm structure of the human body that I had thought to
be unchangeable and permanent as adamant began to melt and dissolve. So this is
what I was talking about in the beginning, the alchemical de evolution of Missus
Beaumont back into goo or the primordial ooze of panspermia. Okay, right,
And he says, I saw the form waiver from sex to sex, dividing
itself from itself, and then again reunited. Then I saw the body descend
to the beasts which it ascended, and that which was on the heights go
down to the depths, even to the abyss of all beings. Yeah,
so down, so dissolving into the stidgy and blackness, Yes, of black,
luminous hell, surrounded by the beasts of pandemonium. Right, all the
devils are there, pan And yeah, even to the abyss of all being
you said, also, of course, eighteen eighty eight is the manuscript on
page seven, page seventy. And one more thing, just in terms of
the construction of the book, Like when you look at the book, just
when you look at the page, see how the difference between this page and
this page right here, And one of the one of the differences is that
one thing that's pretty clever about this is that oftentimes, in literature, the
great literature, has this synthesis of form and content. Form plus content equals
meaning. And it's almost more difficult to do in pros because in a poem
you have the immediate construction of the form on the page, so like when
you're looking at a sonnet, you have fourteen lines and you see it right
on the page, or you have sesstats or you know. But in this
in pros, where everything is thrown onto a page, it's more difficult to
do, and it as to the meaning, relies more on the content.
But here what we see is that throughout the book, whenever we get when
we know in a subtle way, when we're being led towards something horrific,
because the paragraphs will often get longer and unbroken, and they'll either be short
paragraphs with simple things, simple imagery, the simple horror of you know,
of that we can't even expect, or they'll be longer, Like I wrote,
longer paragraphs is unbroken, the unbroken sharing of the thought, of the
of the awful shock of black deeds and symbols. And again the word the
word play like in that paragraph unknown goal, black, faded, grimed,
black dust, winner, I saw what was required, dull street, quiet,
no sunshine, no air. So in other words, the words almost
pop out at you like like a code. But but it's carefully chosen.
And even what you just read, you said the word adamant. The word
yeah, permanent as adamant. Well, Adamant is related to like that's in
Paradise lost Adamantine chains. So sat Satan is like held down at the shores
of the Lake of Fire in Adamantine chains. So they're they're permanent, they're
they're unbreakable relating to adam they're they're from the beginning of creation. So they're
they're they're they're unbreakable. That's where you get in the Marvel movies Adamantium.
Oh yeah, okay, So but I thought it was you know, this
is a well, this is a well done, a well done book.
I know there's more. There's the fragments and the hideous transformation. On page
seventy and seventy two, it's almost like he sees a Batha mat exactly.
Yeah, in the in the Abyss before Death, which is the Pan he
sees the great god Pan, I suppose. Yeah, So what had happened
was the guys went to confront Missus Beaumont. They convinced her to kill herself.
And the interesting thing about this book is the main character you never hear
from her. You never hear her speak. You only see the wake of
destruction that she has caused. So it's almost like just this force instead of
an actual character. So is she like an avatar for Pan himself? You
know, we never see him. Yeah, She's Pan's daughter, right of
course, if you're reading it in a more materialistic way or like a rational
way, you would read it as she's the daughter of the side scientists who
impregnated Mary before he gave her the little botomy, because that would explain the
tender kisses and stuff. Look in his eyes, he's eyes, he has
her hoofs Okay. So yeah, when the Missus Beaumont, Pan's daughter,
Helen V kills herself, and the doctor had witnessed what happened when she was
like morphing into the evolutionary goo. He says, I watched and at last
I saw but a substance as jelly. I saw form shaped in dimness before
me, which I will not farther describe. But the symbol of this form
may be seen in ancient sculptures and in paintings which survived beneath the lava too
foul to be spoken of as a horrible and unspeakable shape. Either man nor
beast was changed into human form. There came finally death. This is also
like under the Skin. Yeah, I mean in that it's an you know,
it's an alien ghoul demon, right, But she meets the guy in
the woods. There's a scene at the end where she meets the guy in
the woods. They're in They're in Scotland. She meets the guy in the
woods and then she seduces him Scar Joe gets naked, and then she takes
off her human skin suit and she's the black goog ghoul. Yeah, and
then it goes into the blackness of It's just like in Stranger Things with the
upside down. There's the black pool and then like consumes his body as a
shell and it just kind of floats like a ribbon. Yeah, So I
suppose it's the same sort of I was gonna say that about Neverland too.
It is like the upside down in Stranger Things. Oh yeah, yeah,
we'll get to that in a second, because yeah, okay, So in
kind of like the epilogue or whatever, they talk about one of these guys
going back to the village where Helen b grew up by the Roman walls,
and it says, I looked over the middle where once had stood the older
temple of the God of the deeps. It was the house where Helen lived.
And they're talking about a museum in that town containing Roman remains which have
been found in the neighborhood, and a pillar with an ex An inscription to
the Great God, notings the God of the Great Deep or abyss labs Selenist
has erected this pillar on account of the marriage which he saw beneath the shade.
What do you make of that? Well, the inscription reminds me of
a cipher, you know, and it's like a coded cipher. And it's
a monolith. I mean they find a monolith, right uh, And this
is you see the same thing walking into Pan's labyrinth. You see this sort
of monolith appearing in the in the at the entrance way, at the entrance
into the labyrinth, and you see the same oftentimes in like Nordic or or
even in I want to I think it's in the in the Iliad, you
see you see a monolith or like some sort of statue or something set up
that's supposed to be in memoriam for somebody great. But in this it's it's
it's the opposite. It's inverted world. Right. And and then we see
I talked to you beyond the shadows and of the god pin. You remember
Mary, She was the mother of Helen Vaughan, who was born nine months
after that night, so we know that it's the child of the what's the
Christopher Lee movie? Is? Is it I the Devil one where he's doing
the ritual? Yeah? Right, yeah, Human flesh may become the veil
of horror. One dare not express. Helen Vaughan did was this page seventy
seven in the middle of Helen Vaughan did well to bind the quarter about her
neck and die. That death was horrible, to black and face the hideous
form of death. Strange hard that you witness surprises me but little. And
now Helen is with her companions dot dot dot Yeah, in hell, Yeah,
in hell, she's down there with Beelza blah. But I suppose I
wonder why it was so easy for them to get her to do that.
They never really said. I guess maybe life was just too big, she's
bored of it, or I don't know, maybe she was tired of humans
and wanted to go back to Hell. I don't know. Yeah, she
wanted to pierce the veil back to her hell world and hang out with her
ghouls and goblins. Yeah. So the marriage which she saw beneath the shade,
I don't know. Does that remind you of any mystery place? Well,
I mean, yeah, isn't that. Well, the first thing I
think of is the nymphs running wild in the shade in the buccanal right,
So it's it's an rg y, isn't it. And of course nymph is
where we get the word nympho jack right right, And like we said in
Alvid, you know Avid pursuing, you know, the fawns and the sayers
that pursued this nymph, I guess in the shade of the shade of the
Glady River, amazing meandering through the woodland, you know, and she transforms
into a read Yeah, can you imagine reading this in the ladies, you
know, you'd be like, oh, scandalous sounds just sounds like last night
Mary Winston salon the same thing. We just got back from hell Fire Club
and uh yeah right, yeah. Benjamin Franklin was there. He loved the
story. Yeah, hear that story about Ben Franklin having all those bodies buried
in his house in London. Yeah, well that was a great god pant
still some mysterious things in it, but I think we covered it pretty well.
It was a really good horror novella. I could see why a lot
of the horror writers look up to him. So let's continue down this labyrinth
spial spiral and talk about Pans Labyrinth two thousand. Yes, well, there's
there's There's two things I was gonna just mention in terms of literary references before
we get to those, because I think they're relevant. And one is I'll
get to this one second, because it's the Queen mab speech for Rummy and
Juliet. But the one that I really wanted to mention to bring into this,
which might be too esoteric for people I don't know, but is I'll
just I'll just summarize the whole thing. Because it's in It's in Ted Hughes.
It's in Ted Hughes's collected poems. He has a poem called Pan and
then another one called Weigi and I originally found this in the journals of Sylvia
Plath. And then there's a book called Winner Pollen, which is by Ted
Hughes, and this is all of his Ted Hughes was the poet Laureate.
He wrote the poem rain Charm for the Duchy, which was written for the
new the newly born Prince Harry in nineteen eighty four. And he was the
Poet Laurean until nineteen ninety eight when he died. But he wrote a book
called Birthday Letters, which was a kind of a revision of his life with
Sylvia Plathith Sylvia Plath, it's a famous American poet who died at age thirty
two in nineteen sixty three, I think. But so here's what happened.
So so so everybody people probably know about Sylvia Plath, and and now she
you know, committed s side and in London. But there's a story that
I read in her account in her journals about how Ted Hughes and Sylvia Plath
were interested in esoterica and the occult, especially Ted Hughes, and and they
would they started playing around with playing around with a Wuiji board, and eventually
they realized they were talking to be like a being. They weren't just talking
to nothingness. They were talking to something with a voice. And of course,
in true you know, Esoturk fashion, they reached out to ask the
name of this being, and the being presented himself as Pan. His name
was Pan, and Ted Hughes became obsessed with Pan. And this is like
the start of Sylvia Plaids downward spiral into madness and mania. And she says
that one day they were sitting like in a glade. I think it was
in the Lake districts. I think it was in Cumbria, but they were
sitting, they were sitting there, you know, having a good time,
having a picnic, and she turned and you know, Ted Hughes turned to
her. They were married, and you know, they were loving couple,
both successful, well, he was a successful poet at the time. But
then he turned and then he turned back, and she said that his eyes
were black, he had the black horble eyes of someone possessed, and that
he grabbed her by the throat and he strangled her and pushed her down on
the ground and he was on top, and she thought she was going to
die. And then at the moment of death, and she looked up and
his eyes were black and it wasn't She said, it wasn't him. And
then and then right at the moment of death, he released and then he
sat back up. And then she sat back up and turned and looked at
him and was like, what, what was that? And he turned and
he said, Oh, it's a lovely day we're having. And he was
a totally different person. And she said that this terrified her so much that
she was sure that it was Pan that did this to her. And it
makes sense in light of what we just read, especially in the arboreal setting,
and she had been obsessed with Pan. In fact, on one of
her most famous poems is Daddy Poem Daddy, and she's talking about I won't
read the whole poem, and I can't. I can't even read the It's
a great poem in terms of the cannon, and I can't. I can't
even read it. Of some of the terms in here. It's very it's
very there's a lot of violence in the poem, so I can't really read
it, but there is one part where she says, on page fifty eight,
she says, of this of Ariel, which was the Pulitzer Prize in
the poem, Daddy, and the stands that She says, you stand in
the blackboard, Daddy, in the picture I have of you a cleft in
your chin instead of your foot. But no less a devil for that,
No, not any less. The black man who bit my pretty red heart
in two I was ten when they buried you. So she's which is a
pan image a cleft foot. He had a calls some Panzerman panzer man.
His name was Otto Plath and he was Austrian. And she sees various,
you know, allusions to other historical events that you know, I can't name,
but but she sees the cleft foot and she she later goes on at
the end of the poem, She's The poem ends with she says, I've
if I've killed one man, I've killed two. The vampire who said he
was you and drank my blood for a year seven years. If you want
to know, Daddy, you can lie back down. Now there's a steak
in your fat black heart. The villagers never liked you. They are dancing
and stamping on you. They always knew it was you, Daddy, Daddy,
you bastard. I'm through, she says, so so seems to be
a poem of stuff to her. Yes, some bad some bad stuff happening,
which is not just I'm not just saying all this randomly. Obviously that's
tied in with the Pan imagery that we've just been reading. Yeah, so
and the other I won't read this whole soliloquy, but this is there's a
lot in terms of what we're gonna talk about the movies, and I see
tinker Bell, and we didn't really talk about tinker Bell that much or Tiger
Lily because we haven't there's so much in the Peter Pan book. But Tinkerbell
is obviously taken from Queen mab which is in Romeo and Juliet, Act one,
scene four, when Marcuccio gives his soloquy. I mentioned this last week,
but he says, then I see Queen Mabbeth's been with you. She's
the Faiy's midwife, and she comes in shape no bigger than a nagget stone
on the forefinger of an Alderman drawn with a team of little adami over men's
noses as they lie asleep, and he talks about her wagon spokes made of
long spinner's legs, the cover of the wings of grasshopper, her traces of
the smallest spiderweb, her collars of the moonstone's watery beams, her whip of
cricket's bone, the lash of film or wagon or a small gray coated nat
So it's an esoterics, you know, soliloquy where he's talking about how in
the context of me, he's talking about how Romeo has been asleep and he's
been seduced by his you know, his new love for Juliet after rosaline.
But in terms of like the imagery of being asleep and overtaken by fairies going
to another world. And it's a tiny little fairy who has all these natural
there's a lot of natural imagery right with the moonstones and the crickets and the
and we see that at pants Labyrinth, right where's she says, Oh,
oh, it's a it's a fairy, but it's like a little like cricket
grasshopper thing, right, is that the one where she rides in an acorn
yeah, remember that. I don't know why. So there's a lot more.
I mean, I I found the Keats poem Japan. There's the Shelley
poem to Pan. There's Swinburne, there's Elizabeth Barrett Browning, which talks about
Pan and Syrinx, and then and then my favorite, which if we have
time, I'll get to it. But my favorite is my favorite poet,
Arthur Rambau, French poet eighteen fifty four eighteen ninety one, and he has
he has multiple poems in his book Illuminations. He wrote Illuminations and a Season
and How, which is a kind of a kind of a Gnostic gospel as
poem, prose poem, and and in his collective poems he talks about the
fawns. He often makes reference to the fawns in nature. So that's going
to tie in with what we're about to talk about, I think. So
that's so crazy that they were doing wegi board talking to Pan. Yeah,
because have you ever heard of a lady named Tracy Twyman. Okay, so
she was kind of like a esoteric researcher in maybe like twenty twelve Fish,
and she was doing this whole series about her and the Luigi War talking to
Baphome, right, and I'm you know, we met her at conferences,
we did shows and stuff, so she was an acquaintance who knew a lot
about esoteric things. And as soon as she started doing these channelings of Baphome,
she called it, things started to go downhill. And then she died
mysteriously. And some people don't know if it was by her own hand or
what story there, because it was just so weird, but it had something
to do with talking to Baphome on Luigi War. Bad bad news, folks.
Yeah, please do not try to contact spirit world with the wei ward.
This is bad news, folks. This is not a good first date
idea. No to contact the Weigi board. We just watched this horrible movie
last night about like this hand that if you shake it then you become possessed.
And it's like people voluntarily yeah, admit themselves to these gullies, right,
yeah, yes, yes, well that I guess that's the point.
Right, They're voluntarily walking into it and asking questions, and and you must
to say I let you in, right, right, yes, And I
suppose it. I suppose it. A lot of it is determined by your
belief system and your what do they call it intentionality? Is that a word?
But the poem here, I've got the at the beginning of the poem
Wigi from Ted use and it's a long poem, so I'm not going to
read the whole thing, but he says, Wuigi always bad news. From
the Ouiji board. We spelled out the alphabet fringe the arena of your coffee
table, with the letters two goals yes at one end, know it the
other. Then leaned our middle fingers lolling on the on the bottom of the
upturned glass for volity darkening to solemn apprehension. Respectfully, we summoned a spirit.
It was easy as fishing for eels in the warm summer darkness, and
hardly a minute before the glass begin and knows that the letters then the circle
thoughtfully, and some occult pickpocket had slit the soul's silk and fingered us.
But we explained it easily. Yeah, And then the poem pan which is
short. Ted hughes right, and this is out of his book. Forget
which book this is out of, but pant he writes, flowers, flowers,
open pits of allure, the beast's glance makes the ghost faint invitation and
the bird's throat a goblet full wet mouth and hot under softness where the heart
struggles at the surface, abandonment of water, long openings, disheveled silks,
and nakedness of what resists nothing, the painful, stiff grace of insects,
making the stones ache so earthly, earth, so early earth, in stifled
convulsion with bellowings, with gas roots torn up, with life gushing from the
body, and relief as eye widens against iye, with death and hot bracket
and birth under catskins. He yields her daughters. Now he's actually talking about
panning, like panning for gold, because it's yielding up your daughter, you
know, the gold daughters of the earth. Right. But it's clearly the
figurative is clearly talking about pan in terms of his demon god here. And
Ted Hughes is an interesting poet because I mean, I mean, I know,
I'm talking pretty far into talking about poetry here, which most people probably
go home. But but if there's somebody to if you want to, if
anybody out there wanted to understand anything about modern poetry, I would say that
Ted Hughes is the place to start. I mean, if you can read
the Hawk and the Rain or Crow or lupracoll or a wolf watching and they
read so they read so so easily because the language is so strong and visceral
and you know exactly what he's talking about right away, even though the deeper
side of it and the subtext is something so dark and has this dark spiritual
nature to it. But it's important, I think, to understand it to
read works like that because it sets the tone for modern literature, which mirrors
and and sort of leads the way for the way that we think in the
water culture. Well, and also you just made me think that it's the
same spirits that are inspiring people throughout the ages too. Yeah right, yes,
yeah, absolutely So, so what should we talk about now, hook,
let's do Let's go to Spain, Okay, alright, nineteen forty four
because this is the same year as the Peter Pan movie that we talked about
last time, Pan, which is the name for their hero and not actually
it's a title, right like Ward or something like that. So Spain nineteen
forty four Fascist step Dad. And then oh this, I found out the
fawn in Pan's Labyrinth was inspired by Garmo del Toro's lucid dreams. We have
about it. As a child, he said, at midnight he would wake
up and find a fawn coming out from behind a grandfather clock. So this
thing has been following Germo del Toro since he was a child. A Laborrinto
del followed us. Were you able to find one with English stub titles?
That wasn't all for me? Yeah? No, I just watched it in
the in the regular Spanish right, no better day? I remember that Garcia
Lorca. Have you been to Spain? Yeah you have? Yeah? Have
you been to Pan's Labyrinth? No? No, I did the Camino de
Santiago. Okay, well, I spent three wild weeks in Spain two thousand
and four, my last year of drama school. I flew to Spain for
three weeks and it was what an awesome country. It was amazing. It's
really cool. So in the opening sequence of this movie, they're talking about
an underground realm where there's no lies, no pain, and there's a princess
who dreamt of the human world. She escaped and forgot where she came from.
So right off the bat, there's like persephone imagery coming out m there's
the whole weird g R O O M I N G aspect of telling kids
like, oh, those aren't your parents. Your real parents are a king
and queen. I'll take you to meet them. That is like in a
lot of kids movies. Right. Yes, So this little girl she they're
driving to meet her stepfather, who was some kind of like fascist colonel or
whatever general, I don't know what was it above And on the way there
she discovers this mysterious monument in the forest of a fawn with a missing eye.
So she puts the eye back in the socket and and this like fairy
bug appears right, and it was almost like the things that led up to
her finding this, we're like set up, you know. The bug leads
her to the hillar and this is just like the monument to notings that we
were reading about in Great God Pan book. Yeah, it's interesting also that
you brought up that it's always a world where they where they say there's no
pain, right, which is but because it's the inverted world, they have
to sacrifice, you know, make blood sacrifices and all this stuff and follow
a series of rituals and go through the the sequence in order to get there
instead of you know, instead of in a in the in a Christian you
know, in Christianity, which is in revelation. You know, God will
wipe away every tear from your eyes. You're ear. You find yourself in
heaven and there's no more pain. There's no more sorrow, and there's really
no pain right because you're with God, the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit. Instead of making your way through this through this terrible series of rituals
where you're place, yeah, into the underworld right where oh you know they're
they're a king and queen and you're a princess. We told you that even
though you're surrounded in darkness and there's a weird fawn demon that's yeah, right
and yeah, and we'll get to that in a second. Like she goes
down to meet the fawn and on the rock is like the fawn and her
and a baby. It's kind of like a weird trinity going on. We'll
get to that in a second. So she discovers this and she puts the
eye in and her initiation can begin, right. Yeah, And this is
like kind of saying, now she's going to have the vision to see the
spirit world. Yeah, they're also in the car right before that, in
the car going through the woods in a caravan, right, and the and
her mother tells her, when you meet the captain, I'll refer to him
as father. So her f she has the lost fathers. You don't know
where her father is, but this guy's going to be your new father,
which is which is interesting. He died, right, So that's where her
father is in the underworld now, right. And for the folks at home,
of course, the movie takes it, like we were just saying,
takes place. You know, this is the Spanish Civil War in nineteen thirty
six to nineteen forty five. It's like nineteen forty four, I think,
is what you said. And they're in the mountains, you know, fighting
the rebels, and it's funny how the it's funny how the Phalangists are fighting
in pristine uniforms. Oh yeah, right, where did you get that?
Right? And weren't they also fighting in World War two? Or were they
just doing their own things? Well, it was, it was. It
was parallel with World War two. And of course there's the I saw I
saw Picasso's Guernica, which is everybody seen the Cubist painting of when Hotler sent
the Condor Legion over as a taskron to bomb city of Garenica right in Spain.
But that that was like the extent of their That was the extent of
their overt involvement in War two, so it was parallel, but they weren't
involved with the greater war on the continent, even though it mimics that.
It mirrors that in a number of ways because you have fascist versus a communist
and so forth. Right, So the captain Vidall, he is the archetype
of Saturn and time because he's always carrying around that watch, remember, right,
So we're tying this back into Capricorn again with the time pieces, and
he was like obsessed with the time of his father's death. So that's Saturn
again. And the little girl when she gets to the property where she's supposed
to be staying, she follows the pair the fairy under the arch of Pan
down the spiral staircase. So here's the spirals again. And we all know
about the FBI that they put out right that identifies child predators, and the
biggest one is a spiral. And then you've got a spiral triangle, and
you've got a butterflies on there. I've believe like some kind of spiral heart
or like a heart within a heart. Yeah. So these are the identifying
symbols that they use to know each other in the wild child predators, Yeah,
glyphs and sigils of the creeperist, evil, most ghoulish people. Yeah,
so you're gonna see spirals all over this movie. And of course the
fawn tells her she's a princess and her real father has opened portals all over
the world so she could return. Oh yeah, I forgot about that because
I thought of Donnie Darka. Have you ever seen a portal? Yeah?
So yeah, opening portals all over the world. And don't you think that
freaking fawn was like the creepiest thing. And she's not even phased at all,
right, which says yeah, which says it's something to me about Guillermo
del Toro's like artistic vision, right, is that the things that I think
probably normal people find repugnant and disconcerting and gross. You would automatically if you
if you see that, or if you see even if you see it in
any other you know, work, you automatically you run away or you are
you This is not good. Just the physiognomy of this fawn, because it's
not a fawn like in mythology, even where it's like, oh, they're
at least they're pleasant creatures halfway cute, like mister Tumnus, Right, he's
like totally demonically yeah. And his ears hello, yeah he does. He
has firals on his head. Yes, yes, yes he did. Yeah,
okay, so creepy uh fawd man Oh says she is born of the
Moon and the king of the underworld. Right, and Moon is if we're
following Salima and Oto and those kind of symbols, moon is Babylon, right,
the counterpart to Horace. This book talks all about lunar symbolism. That
Alister Crowley book talks about the rights of Luna. And then and then of
course, i'll it's metamorphosis talks about the passage. Right before that is talking
about Diana. So Diana Artemis, you know in the Woods, Syrinx is
compared to Diana the way she holds up her dress when she's hunting. So
was she a moon child? Yeah, yeah, I mean she just said
child of the Moon, born of the Moon and the King of the underworld.
And then he goes on to give her the Book of the Crossroads.
Surprise, Surprise, how and and buon Thugs at Harmon He started playing see
you at the cross Roads, and it's a blank book. It's a blank
book with blank pages that her Psyche writes in ink on the page to determine
the through three stages of the process. Does she have to go through three?
Just three stages? Are you trying to see quest? Three quests?
Before the moon is full? You were trying to remember the words to the
bone thugs long, You can't remember the words? Can't here. I'm gonna
miss it, everybody. I'm gonna miss it, and i'm gonna miss seven
money and I'm gonna miss seven ninety Yeah, living in a hateful worlds,
let me straight to head. Hell, I'm gonna a wonderful day and with
my minds. The first of the buns, smoking, joking, rolling blunts,
it's enough ounces again. Wow, we got the busting. Wow.
All nights we high. We got the buds. And when it's ninety nine,
I get and play, y'all what you need? We got weed?
Yeah. When we pray and we pray you and we pray. Yeah,
okay, okay, So we talked about the cross was all the time.
This is a super ancient thing, going by way back to the first cities
Mesopotamia where they would meet with the gods in the Zigaratte that is known as
the meeting point or the crossroads, and then go all the way to Robert
Shawson and the beginning of Rock and Ball where he sells his soul to the
devil at the crossroads. So whenever you see crossroads symbolism, this is going
to be talking about meeting the devil at the very least meeting the spirit world
or whatever is on the other side. So the crossroads is the meaning point
between the mundane world and spirit world. Yeah. Eric Clapton's biography, he's
he's got the Crossroads, the Crossroads rehab clinic, and then voodoo. Obviously
crossroads a huge and voodoo. So that's perfect little gift to give a little
girl, I think from a demon underground YouTube book of the Crossroads. That's
innocent. But I did notice in one scene where she goes on her first
quest, she's dressed like Alison Wonderland. Did you notice that she goes into
the tree just like Alison Wonderland. She goes into the roots of the Big
Tree, which is passageways to Wonderland the other side Neverland. Yeah, and
they do that in Peter Pan as well. Remember they Peter fits the tree
around the Lost Boys so that they can descend into their underground underworld hovel.
You know, I mean, she's obviously liked this because the context of the
movie makes it so that she has this other world because number one, she's
a child and she's naturally going to go play in the woods and she's going
to have her imagination world. But but it's it's tempered by the fact that
number one, they're in the middle of a literal war. So going out
into the woods is dangerous because it becomes a war zone. In the film,
it becomes a war zone, and because there's a war zone in her
heart with her missing father and her mother taking her up there to the to
this man, and then there's a war zone in terms of the way that
he, the father guy, makes war on her, right, I mean
literally what happens in the in the film. You know, she's a she's
a victim of like three types of war, and so of course she goes
out into the she has this other world where her imagination takes her, and
that becomes her new world and it takes over I mean, well the thing,
the thing with the root right like screaming in the in the fireplace,
which will get to right, she's creating like these magic these magic totems right
for the birth of her baby brother, where she's melding the spirit world and
the natural world and not natural world, not just naturalistic, but like the
natural fauna and flora right of the of the the labyrinthine world outside. So
it makes her, it makes her, It splits her right into this personality
where she doesn't know what's real and what's not, I guess is the point
of the film. Yeah, and the book has like foreshadowing too, so
like you said, it comes from her own psyche. And there's a scene
where she opens it up and there's nothing on the page, but then it
starts to like bleed. Yeah, and that's like the night that her mom
died in childbirth, right, Yeah, it bleeds it, It bleeds inky
black on the page, just like the mockin book was talking about, right
exactly. So the second thing that she has to do for the demon Funness
Underground is go see the Paleman. Oh my gosh, this is the worst
part. That's probably the most memorable creature of the movie because he is super
creepy. He's like disgusting. He's uh, soggy, He's he's soggy,
Yes, he is. He's grow Yeah, and he you know, depictions
of him eating children look a lot like Goya's chronos. They do. Yeah,
I'm sure that was purposeful. Yeah. And so she has to make
a portal in her room with a chalk, just like a circle or spell,
and then she is in his layer and she has to steal something from
him with it. Yeah. Yeah, she creates a door in the dark
or a portal, just like in Beetle Juice, you know, a door
into the other world or back to the real world. But yeah, this
that that one scene is why, you know, honestly, I never I
avoided this movie for so many years because I just it's just so what's the
word not vascular, It's so like it's it's an unsettling movie. And I
also avoided Hook, but for different reasons. I know we're gonna get to
Hook later, but like, I just really don't like that movie at all.
I cannot stand in that movie. But it's for different than this,
which is like the overt just gross fantasmic gia. Yeah, yeah, it's
visceral phantasmagoria straight from Guillermo's like twisted you know, child mind or whatever.
But yeah, every night out coming out from behind your grandfather clock, how
would you grow up normally? Right, they're waking up like the creek creek,
right, and he's got to put the eyeballs in his hands. And
the when the fairies are circling around his head and he's eating you know,
like you were just saying the Corono's imagery of eating the fair it's just oh
my gosh. And then chasing her down the labyrinth like halls and you're like,
oh my god, please make this doorway into the sea to get out
of here. You just gave me chills again. Yes, So the test
was she wasn't supposed to eat anything from his table because they wanted to know
that she did not have any attachments to the physical world, because they were
trying to bring her into the spirit wall and she has to be able to
let go of all that. That part was so annoying. It's like,
don't eat the pomegranate, right, I mean, and you're going and she
she picks the grapes, right, so she's don't eat the pomegranate, don't
don't taste of the app you don't pluck the apple off the tree, just
don't do it. Then it's like she eats it and like savors it,
and the fairies are like literally like, don't do it, don't do it,
and she's like swatting them away, and you're like, oh my gosh,
you kind of lose sympathy at that point. Oh totally. It's like
it's ridiculous because he literally said, like five minutes ago, whatever you do,
don't eat anything, and she's like, oh, I'm just gonna eat
something, right, And they got food up in that cabin. Yeah,
right, you know they're eating there. What do they you know they got
top us up there, right, don't eat don't eat the damn grape.
Don't eat the damn grape. When the skin man is at the head of
the table right there, Why would you eat the food? I know it's
so gross, and but it is very much like eve. It is a
plantation of eves. So she fell and she awakened. The child eater is
that what they call him? They call him the paleman? Right, But
He's like, yeah, yeah, he's a child. What is it in
Spanish? I'm gonna look at up real quick. I'm sure it's much more
lyrical. So Ophelia gets into temptation. Oh and her name comes from Shakespeare
too, so there's another Yeah, that's it does. Yeah. Oh,
speaking of which, I'm in the middle of her. I don't know if
it's a hurricane hurricane Ophelia right now sink roal, Yeah, and I think
of Hamlet's Ophelia or Jim Morrison's Ophelia leaves sodden and silk chlorine, dream mad,
stifled, witness the angel man finally claims benevolent soul. Yeah, so,
so it's she's Ophelia in the movie, which is already foreshadowing us sad
ending for her. It's different than Ophelia and Hamlet. So then what happens?
Then the baby's born mother dies in childbirth, and the surprise the stepfather
is a heartless Yeah, general or captain who just wants a male descendant,
right right. They they did flesh out his character a little bit, like
he didn't even care about the mom, right because at that dinner scene,
the mom was trying to tell him their romantic story and he's like shut up
or whatever. He just totally invalidated her. Yeah, in front of everybody.
What can you see? Yeah, yeah, it's nasty, says he's
a pale skinned humanoid monster by a lambre bylo or something. He's gone.
But yeah, so the mother is a vast yes, yes, Americano non
fato no h. So she's a vessel, right, yeah, she's a
vessel for him for his male for his And they say, how do you
know it's going to be a male baby, and he's like, he's like,
basically like, don't let it be anything other than that. Yeah,
and he actually that's oh that's right. Yeah right, He's like, what
if it's a girl with me? Yeah, oh my gosh, yes,
don't yeah yeah, don't with this guy, right, dude, Well he
did to the Mountain people who really disturbing talk about scenes that you just like
cannot yeah body, body shock, horror where and it's literally, I mean
he caves in the guy's face. Yeah right, So, which plays into
you know, with the mac and book, right, because it's always about
the facial expression, and he he destroys the guy's face is even his very
appearance and the guy's dad is right there and he's like, you killed my
son, and then he kills the dad and then but he does you know
he's gonna do that, do whmember he comes across, and then he's got
his faithful minions, right. But then there's the one guy who screws it
up and he's like, don't screw it up again. And if you're that
guy, you're like, oh my gosh, like, yeah, don't mess
with this guy. He was like, next time, don't bother me with
stupid stuff, right, I won't. He's in there, he's in there,
he's got his he's shaving, right. Everything everything he does is I
mean, this guy plays a good bad guy, right, he is you
really fear this guy. I mean he's every motion that he does is like
full of maniacal lethality. It's like the guy could be eating right and he's
like, yeah, reaches for the glass of water, right, Like is
he going for a gun? Yeah. He's very suspenseful and intense, like
that one guy I can't remember his name in the Tarantino movie who played the
Nazi at the beginning. Yeah, he's very intentional with all of it.
And it's scary. Yeah. So the third west was it to bring him
the baby? Right? So what everyone wants this little male child. Yeah,
and the fawn shows Ophelia the sculpture of him and her and her holding
the baby, yeah, which I don't know it is supposed to be like
a family tree or just her bringing him the sacrifice. But she brings the
baby to him, but then she won't give the baby to him, right,
right, right, so she kind of has a repentance at the end.
Was this when the so before that is when she got the root,
right, there's like a there's like a root shrub thing, and she gave
root to put drake, yeah, to put underneath the mom's bed so she
wouldn't have like pain in the pregnancy. And then the dad burned the man
drake, and that's when the mom died in Tobbart. So it's man dragara,
as Shakespeare says, and the man drake, I mean, you know
more about this, but the man drake is not only a kind of a
narcotic route used in the Renaissance, but also is full of It's supposed to
bleed when you pull it out of the earth. And and then when of
course the dad the man. The captain finds it under the bed, which
is actually clever in the in the movie that they did that, because that
is that that is you know, that does convey like the actual actions of
I mean, like the Nordics did this. I know this is a practice
like a witchcraft, like putting something under the bed, especially when someone's giving
birth, because it's near to the person and it's mimicking the baby in the
first place. And then he throws it in the fire and you see it
screaming and wriggling. It's horrible. So yeah, that she takes so the
baby is born. But then but he also says like he says to the
doctor, and the doctor is the most noble character in this right because the
doctor is treating the rebels, but he's also has to treat the the captain,
and we know that he's giving I don't know what he's giving her.
I guess he's giving her like opium or laudnum, something for the pain.
And then he gives one of the guys who's tortured, you know, he
gives him a tincture, he gives him an injection so that he won't feel
the pain. And then you know, we know that he's working with the
maid or whatever in the house too. He's some sort of a not a
double agent, but he's working for both regardless of he knows he's probably gonna
die, you know. But the baby's born, and he said the captain
says to the doctor, if it's a choice between the mother and the baby,
save the baby, right. And Ophelia hears this, And then when
the baby's born, she takes the baby yeah, into the labyrinth and gives
it to the f And then of course we have him, we have him
angry with her before that. Right, why would I told you not to
do this or whatever? I give you a second chance, right, and
he and then so she so she is that when she takes it down and
then into it like a stone circle that literally has a spiral in the stone
circle, and he meets the she meets the fawn there, yeah, and
he like wants some baby blood, yes, and she says no, yeah,
And she's smart enough to know that he's probably lying in terms of what
he wants. He says, oh, it would be just a little brick
and just a little and she knows that he's probably lying. And that's when
the captain appears. Is that when the captain appears in the circle. Yeah,
and the captain can't see the fawn. That's right. Now we are
wondering if this girl's having a breakdown or it's all in her imagination, or
she can see things that the adults can't. So it's not really explained.
But the movie has the darkest of all endings. Does He's also got a
joker smile. I forgot about that part where she the maid cuts him in
the mouth and he's and he sews it up. Yeah, so he's got
a a weird distorted like demonic smile cut into his face. But yes,
the dark ending. Yeah, and then she ends up through dying, ends
up beingcoming the Queen of the underworld, right, right, or the princess.
She meets her mom and her dad. So so the Ewoks, the
Ewoks come out of the woods and endor and sends circle circle Darth Vader,
Yeah, and shoot him in the head, and the care Bears come and
they shoot down with their care bear stairs of love and it was happy.
Yeah, And then she transcends into the underworld. So so her journey is
complete. I suppose what a dark movie. It is really dark, very
dark and on point with everything that we have been discussing. Yeah, because
Pan is the taker, He's the giver and the taker of life and death,
very Shiva character. Also, yeah, else and it's and it's Peter
Pan, you know, because she's a child. She's going on a you
know, metaphysical journey outside of the territory of her home, searching for something
else, searching for searching for a neverland in the underworld, I suppose.
Yeah. Yeah, And it's always you know, maidens on the cusp of
womanhood right right right at the age where they would begin their minstreating or whatever
and becoming of age to learn about sexual things. So that is when Pan
pounces and funny, this one Goya. The Goya Award is the Spanish It's
like the Spanish oscars. That one really Yeah, when the Goya Award,
of course it is too. Yeah, all right, let's talk about Peter
Pan and Windy. Okay, this one in there for you guys. Extra
little nugget twenty twenty three. Peter Pan and Wendy is the live action remake
of the nineteen fifty three cartoon Walt Disney. Peter Yeah, not awesome.
What did you think well, there were things about this that creeped me out,
namely Peter Pan. He was creepy. He was really well at all,
totally unlikable and really creep me. And it's it's strange to say that
because of the you know, the age of the person who plays Peter Pan.
I don't want to be too harsh, but I mean it really did
give me the creeps because he's not likable and because of everything he says in
the way that he said. I don't want to say too much, but
if you watch the movie, you would know immediately. You know, Hello,
I don't even want to imitate Hello. I mean hit to scape your
window, I mean hit to tike you from your window, and you're like,
oh no, this is it. Yeah. And Tiger Lily is a
much bigger role in this. Yep. I like the girl who plays Tiger
Lily. I thought she was I always liked the Tiger Lily character, even
in the cartoon. I thought she was real cute. Yeah. Well,
one thing I meant to bring up also is that is the stuff with the
weird stuff in real life with Tiger Lily. Remember, Tiger Lily is the
daughter of Michael Hutchins. And Paul Yates, Michael Hudgins from NXSS. Yeah,
and remember he died in the same way that we were talking about with
Robin Williams and the other people. Oh yeah, and she is the adopted
daughter of Bob Geldolf and Bob Geldoff supposedly there's some there's some Bob Geldoff Jeff
Steime McCaffrey connection. Wasn't the girl in the Next sim Orto? Yes,
so Peaches Geldoff, who's the daughter of Bob Geldoff. She died of a
heroin o'd and she was in that. She had a Nextium tattoo. Okay,
and she was in Oto. Okay. What is what I read?
I used to read. It's funny because you know, I used to read
a lot of before Internet, I guess I used to read a lot of
magazine. You know. I'd read music magazines and music reviews just anywhere.
And she wrote a lot of good music reviews for that for Nylon. Remember
Nylon magazine. It's like a it's like a woman's fashion magazine. But they
had good music interviews in it. And I remember her talking about Calm Trus,
you know. And now I'm not talking about Tom Komb the actual calm
Trus that you know, synth musician. But anyway, she she uh,
you know, was it like a big presence in Hollywood, I suppose,
and wrote, you know, fairly decent articles and stuff about music. But
then I remember that she had they said she had an oto tattoo. I
don't know what the truth of that is. Maybe it was just something somebody
said in an article, but was also had something to do with nextium and
then died suddenly, right, and she's I guess she would be the adopted
half sister or whatever of Tiger Lily. And that's interesting because of how Tiger
Lily is portrayed. Tiger Lily, by the way is portrayed in US specifically,
there's a lot in the book. I mean, the descriptions of Tiger
Lily in Peter Pan the book are it's surprising because oh God, I'm never
I'm never gonna be able to find it. But the descriptions of Tiger Lily
in here in this Peter Pan book are there's a lot of innuendo, like
the way that she's dressed. God, I wish I could find the actual
quote, the way that she's actually dressed and the way that they describe her,
like with her low cut, you know, outfit, and that she's
I'll just I'll just sum it up by saying that they portray her fairly accurately
in this Peter Pan and Wendy, where she's kind of you know, she's
a The actress she plays her in this is like in her twenty you know,
mid to late twenties or something is supposed to be a you know,
it's like she's a native because she's she plays an Indian, you know,
in Peter Has what they call her, and she's you know, kind of
sexy in the movie, and then she saves Peter Pitch, so she's an
outside character from the rest of it, which is interesting because the rest of
it is like we get Captain Hook, who's a who's grown, and then
we get Peter Pan and them their their children, and then we get Tiger
Lily, who's supposed to be you know, a grown who's grown. So
right, yeah, right, But I thought that overall this movie was interesting
because they did something different with Captain Hook, which is kind of like people
talk about how Captain Hook is seeing you know people, it's theorized that captain
Hook is a former lost boy, right, and in this they really go
with that all the way. I mean, Jude Law is a he becomes
he's not likable because he's a villain, right, he know, but but
there's something in his eyes. And then the resolution of the movie, which
is that he's saved. He's saved by Peter Pan and not to spoiler alert,
but he's saved by Peter Pan, and that he's a sympathetic character.
He's in pain, right, yeah, well, yeah, he has like
his villain origin, yeah, seen in this So yeah, this takes place
in Edwardy in England, and the Disney movie was a nineteen fifty three movie.
Yes, and I noticed something. M it's Wendy's last night at home
as a child. So in a cartoon they don't really make a big deal
about this, they just say it's Whendy's last night in the nursery. But
in this one, she's really having a hard time with like having to go
to boarding school and it's her last night at home, and so her wish
is actually kind of what summons Peter Pant right, right, yes, And
so he comes in the nursery and tinker Bell's there, and she looks different,
yes right, yes, yes, I know, yes, yes different.
And this is so crazy because I knew that. You know that scene
in the cartoon where she is trying to see if she's going to fit through
a little hole and she measures her hips, remember that, I looked it
up because I knew it looked familiar. And it was also in a marathon
in Rowe movie which which one gentlemen prefer blonde? Okay, nineteen fifty three,
so same year. I don't know who did it first, but Marilyn
wrote measures her hips just like that to see if she can fit through a
porthole and a ship, just exactly like tinker Bell, and the movies were
made of this one. Well Disney was like, we're gonna put this in
all the movies. So I didn't catch this ever, But tinker Bell is
the only reason that any of them can fly, Peter p f Lie without
her, right right, yeah, So she's the one that is like always
coming in clutch and saving everybody, and even in this movie, well that's
like in the that's like in what's the one we did last week? Oh
pan, where they're mining for fairy dust draino inside the you know, pineal
mountain or whatever, and so yeah, just of immortality. Yeah, and
her her it must be that her love is just like they can fly by
thinking good thoughts. I guess her love is what keeps her alive and flying
and passes on to the others. Claps. Wasn't there something about if you
clap, you bring them back to life? They didn't put that in this
one, but there's always something about breathing, clapping and hears. So I
noticed when in the first scene when they all go to bed, it's tinker
Bell that comes in to the bedroom and sprinkles Wendy in the bed and Wendy
floats out of the bed like Exorcists. That wasn't in the first Yeah.
Yeah, So, like you were saying, Wendy, it's different than this
one because we get a different We get a sort of a revisionist context on
Edwardy in England, right, So instead of the window being open and Peter
coming in and searching for a shadow, instead we get Wendy going off to
school, which is it's usually the boys that would be going off to boarding
school, but I suppose she's going off to school to learn how to be
like her mother. Remember, and she says, I didn't want what if
I don't what if I don't want to be like you? Mother? Yeah,
you're a gray little winka. She and her mother's like, okay,
all right, it's fine. Yeah, And she has her little shait.
She fights with her brothers. Right, she breaks the mirror. I forgot
her the breaking of the mirror. You know. Nana's in the room and
the father comes in, Oh, why don't you ever grow up, Wendy,
And she goes and she so she breaks the mirror. That wakes them
up. That's the that's the start sort of the genesis of what is going
to become her flying away. But then she goes and she hides behind the
veil in her room, and then tinker Bell comes in. It sprinkles,
the fairy does. Also, it's interesting that this is I think this is
the only one where tinker Bell doesn't speak, which is interesting. It's like,
if they're gonna do what they did, but then they're not gonna they're
gonna take away her voice in the movie. That seems a little odd right
in their paradon, that they're going to do that with the recasting of tinker
Bell. And yeah, then she then we when do we meet Peter?
He comes in right after her. So I was gonna say, so she's
floating out the bed like Exorcist. Yeah, and this is something that I
mentioned a couple of shows ago in reference to a Beyonce music video calls Dreams.
In the beginning, she Oh Dub comes and floats above Beyonce and she
floats out of the bed like she's possessed or something. And that's when I
was showing you this about how the dove in the oto. Yeah. So
all that symbolism they're using Beyonce, they use it on Wendy, right,
And here again we have girls coming of age, perfect time to have a
visitation by Pan, right, and he comes in and takes her away because
she doesn't want to grow up yet, and they fly out the window through
a portal that happens to be big Ben h Did you catch that? Yeah,
through the through the clock, Yeah, just like just like Pan emerges
from behind the clock and Garam model Toro's Hellish Night Night Visions. Yes,
and just how we've seen the theme of time and watches and Saturn throughout all
of the things we were talking about. The time portal okay, uh so,
and he says, we're gonna go to Neverland where you can be yourself.
So where have you heard stuff like that before? Everywhere? Now?
Yeah, right, himself in the Yeah. And he's got he's got his
he's got he's kind of advanced from the squeaky voice that you've talked about in
so many others. Hello, Hello, I can't do it. He's got
a squeaky voice. And she notices after they go through Big Ben through the
portal, it's it becomes the upside down world like streaming, and she sees
her reflection and everything is top se trvy that came up in parts of the
Caribbean too, And y'all are doing it. Y'all are doing parts of the
Caribbean tomorrow mega stream, mega stream. Yeah, I suppose. So this
is supposed to be her flying backwards through time, right, going back to
her innocence when she could be in Neverland. She doesn't want to grow up,
right. Yeah. However, when they get to Neverland and a couple
of scenes, you can see Saturn in the sky from the earth of Neverland.
Did you notice that, right? Yeah? And was it this one
that I thought? I mean, hook is more. I see a lot
of Jeff Stein McCaffrey island in Hook. Okay, this one was slightly different
because we don't see a do we see a vision of it flying downwards and
we see the island. No, we didn't know, not in this one.
But yes, yes, Saturn in the sky. Of course, this
movie is so ridiculous. Dude, with me a minute to figure out whose
captain Hook was. Jude Law. He's not. Yeah, he's coming since
that sex spot in the Spielberg movie, remember, yes, yeah, in
Ai. Yeah, yeah, So what do you think about? What do
you think about Jude Law? He's I don't know. What do you mean?
I don't know? He he uh when he was filming Cold Mountain,
I'm still thistling my channel before. But we had a tape of him.
We had a VHS tape of him because when he was filming Cold Mountain,
he was in Charleston and he was at a bar and he met my friend
and his like fraternity brothers, and they went back to his house for a
party, and and my friend had a cam quarter and just set it up
on top of the TV and just pressed record, and there's like an hour
of footage of just chew Law like sitting on the sofa talking everybody, and
he's it's funny because he's hitting on one of my friends at the time.
But he was married to Sadie Frost at the time. And during during this
when this was happening, it got into late night and one of their friends
like walked he was in I don't want to stay too much for he was
in a room with a girl and he walked out and and you can hear
him walk out of the room and they go, hey, Jude Laws here
and he goes, who fuck is that man? Give me a beer?
And he totally jud Laws like what this guy to know me? And he
walks back in shut the door. But yeah, I thought Jude Law was
interesting in this because you know a lot of the Captain hooks that we see,
like with Dusty Mothman is totally is totally creepy to me and just is
just creepy. But Judelaw, when I was watching this, I thought,
there's something in this makes this guy likable, Like he like he he doesn't,
I don't, I don't want to. I don't know a person's heart,
whether he has love in his heart, but he seemed to be more
normal. If that makes any sense when I was watching it, I don't
know if that's just me reading into the movie. You're supposed to have a
little sympathy for him, right, right, he'd hit up two different colored
eyes. I noticed he did. He did. Yes, he had a
he had a left had a left eye marble of glass eye. And there
was a scene where well he had black hair and then he got all wet
and his like hair dyved, dripping. So they're saying he's trying to fight
aging. Still maybe right, So Hook, he there's a scene where his
wig comes all the way off and he says, Priest, provide me with
a little dignity. But in this one, I guess it was the hair
dye. And also his hook was on a different hand. In this he
had he had the hook on his he got the hook hand. Yeah,
so Jim Gaffigan is me yeah, right, yeah, And come to find
out Hook, We'll remember we were talking about fan theories and that Hook was
the lost boy, right, so this is part of the movie. Now,
Yes, that's the movie, and they made it Cannon, Yes,
and now Hook was the first lost boy, but grown ups were evil.
He tried to escape Neverland because he missed his mom and he was picked up
by pirates and brought back to Nemberland. And that's when they started fighting with
Peter. Yeah, and Peter. It says that Peter made him leave,
right, and that what he said Peter made him made him leave, wouldn't
come back. And then and then later in the movie, that's it's sort
of the climax of the movie because Peter returns and apologizes. He says,
I'm sorry for it wasn't a good friend to you. And then and then
he's about to fall off the mass of the ship and he says, think
good thoughts, and then Jude Law says, I don't have any, and
then falls into the water, all sad he doesn't have any good thoughts.
Fourteen right, It's it's funny how he turned. He goes from being a
little boy raised by the pirates to like growing up and being their tyrant and
they all follow him like, how did that? Well, I suppose it
would be the story of Annakin Skywalker, Oh yeah, very much is Yeah,
going from the beloved you know, right hand man of Obi Wan right
into becoming the worst, the worst of the bad guys. Of course,
he's not a pirate on solo is the pirate, but but becoming the worst
of the bad guys. Right, you did say something when you were texting
me, you were like, order sixty six, execute Order sixty six because
he did do that. He like ordered the children to be executed. Yeah,
which is what Anakin does in was it in the second one attack of
the Clones he goes back into the temple. Yeah, and you know issues
Order sixty six eradicates all of the Jedi kids. Yeah, it was that
a weird that they included that line. Yeah, issue Order sixty six.
I mean, you know sixty six is right. The so hook has an
origin story just like Anakin. Tinkerbelt again the real MVP. She helps Wendy
escape walking the plank and Wendy flies up and they're like he has the boys
magic and Wendy's like this magic is from no boy. So there's some like
uh, strong woman talk that's right in this with Tinkerbell and Wendy teaming up.
And when Peter's not there yet, right walking the walking the plank to
jump into the chasm, right into the abyss, but I didn't hear a
splash right then he splash and then she the whole ship floats because of artic
tinkerbell magic. Also, the sea shanties in this were of note the lyrics
to the The movie was directed by David Lowry, not David Lowry from Richmond,
Virginia, who was part of the band Cracker. Hey Hey, Hey
like me, It's don't that's on from the nineties. It's a different David
Lowry who in Camper van Beethoven as his other band. But David Lowry who
directed The Green Knight last year. Have you seen his reboot of The Green
Knight. It's twenty of course it's an eight twenty four movie. But yeah,
So the ship floats and that's when Peter Pan appears. Peter has lost
his ability to fly as well because he Pixie does right right so, But
but who ends up happening helping him is Tiger Lily with their native native spirit,
riding on the white Horse, and then he does an extreme jump off
of the cliff onto the ship, tears into it with his little sword,
right yeah, and then befriends Captain hook or issues this call of friendship rather
than fighting him, which is interesting an interesting revision of the whole thing and
redemption arc for both of them. That's right, Yeah, And I mean
it ends on a positive note, right, It ends on a they're probably
hoping for a sequel. Well, it ends they take the Lost Boys back.
Okay, So they have to flip the ship because they're in the mirror
world or the tide down or universe b as they like to call it in
and esoterica, just like in Powers of the Caribbean, how they get out
of the Spirit dolder Room world. They have to flip the ship opposite and
they all go back home and the Darlings adopt all the lost boys. Oh
did you notice one of the Lost boys was a slowboy? Yes, the
Down Syndroom Like, yes, it was the first starring role for a beautiful
slowboy in a Disney phone. I don't mind it, Yeah, I didn't
mind it. I mean, one thing I had to say about people with
Down syndrome is like one time I was watching reality TV, just flipping through
the channels at the hotel, and there was this reality show about people down
Syndroom and how they get along and stuff. And I watched this whole thing
and their relationships and their responsibility and how they thought about life, like they
were more based and smart than any other person I've ever seen in a reality
TV show. Yeah, well, in all seriously, I mean yeah,
and in all seriousness, I mean Shane Gillis makes a good point that they're
closer to God, right they are. They live in a I'm not trying
to paint a broad picture here, but just to say that uttered I know
that they're we're talking about complex human beings, but a sense of joy and
innocence that is lost in the average adult, right. So, but it
just blew me away. Like if you're flipping channels and you see people acting
crazy and you know they're not our word, then this show full of people
who are and they're so mature and they're so responsible and they're so well spoken,
and you know they're they're breaking up and they're just like hugging and being
like, it's not it's not the best, you know, and then next
channel people are. It's just a really weird contrast between who you see on
reality TV who's not don't have downson room. Then you flip channels, then
you get to Below Deck Mediterranean. Yeah, like Real Housewise, where they're
tearing up the place and stopping and throwing. It was a weird contrast.
Okay, so beautiful slowboys and Peter Pan. They find out that Peter used
to live there at the Darling's house and that's why he kept coming back,
Yeah, to Wendy's house. And then he still doesn't want to grow up,
so he floats off to never Never Land. And there's a kind of
an epilogue right where where Captain Hook has surfaced, right and Sme is there,
Jim Gaffkin, Look, we survived. And then they look up and
the ship floats out of the clouds and they look up and there's Peter Pan
above him to save him. Yep, he returns for Captain Hook. So
yeah, so it was an interesting movie. I mean, Mila Jovish's daughter
really really Wendy really that's really really yeah interesting. It looked just like her
now that I think about it. Yeah, it was. Oh and one
more thing before we go into your favorite Hook. What was I gonna says
kidding late? Oh, Wendy is also the name of a like a title
like, She's all Wendy. Did you notice that? Oh she's all right?
Yeah in the film, Yes, yes, she's a Wendy. She's
a Wendy figure. She becomes an archetype in their world exactly, so Anne
and the last one was an archetype. Good thing, She's not a Wendy
go Yeah, alright, so so Hook should we go on? Yes?
Okay, so now least your favorite? Yeah Hook. Gosh, I really
don't like this movie, Doese Mockman, Maggie Smith, Gwyneth Paltrow, what
is she? Gwyneth Paltrow plays the young Wendy young Maggie Smith. It's her.
It's one of her first film roles. And and Gwyneth Paltrow's godfather is
Steven Spielberg. Remember he gave her away in marriage. Also, Jimmy Buffett,
David Crosby, Glenn Close, Phil Collins is in this all in cameo
roles. And the movie is of course it has the John Williams score,
which does all the heavy lifting in this movie. But it's produced. Do
you know who the producer was, Dodi al Fayette. Uh yeah, wow,
I didn't know he was the movies at all. Yeah, he produced,
He was the producer. And it was also written by the guy who
of all things. I did an analysis of The Last starfighterh nineteen eighty four
movie, and the writer or the director of that movie is one of the
writers of this movie. So if you don't know, Dodi Alphayed is the
owner of Herod's the father of Princess Diana's boyfriend. What was his name,
Muhammad alf Yeah, so he was the father of the person who died along
with Diana in the cars who continued to say that there was a c spiracy
with Diana's death. He died, He died recently. He died like I
think he did. He died this year. I think he died recently.
So beginning of Hook, he's flying a plane because he's scared of flying.
So he just like grown up and he's got all of the grown up problems.
He's cranky, he's you know, fearful, he is he like an
insurance sales day. He's bane capital. Oh yeah, yeah, he's a
he's a not a hedge funder, but well I guess he's a hedge funder.
But there's a scene where his dad, his son is talking to Wendy
right and when they fly to London, and the Sun says, when we
when we see a failing company, we go in and we buy them,
and if they give us any resistance, we kill them. They're over.
Oh yeah, they're over as a company. And so he's on the phone.
Actually, oh, I meant to get that out. I have the
Motorola phone that he uses throughout this Yeah. Yeah, and he's got the
he's got the little There's so many scenes that they should have cut in this
movie, but one of them is when he's in the office with his friends
and they do like a gunslinger draw, like of who can answer the phone
the fastest, right, Yeah, And he's always on the phone. He's
he's heading some company and he's starting to speculate, speculate in real estate.
And he's starting this children's wing of an orphan hospital named after when it's called
the Wendy More you know Angela Dark So Wendy Mary Angel Darling is her name,
And they're starting this wing of this hospital. And Wendy is the grandparent.
Is his place his grandmother or something in this No, she's his wife's
wife's Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, aunt or something like
that. Right, they call her grandmother, so I guess it would be
of the kids. Yeah, yeah, the kid's grandmother. Okay, but
it still didn't make any sense. But yeah, so he's he's flying the
plane, or he's not flying the plane, but he's in the plane.
I was surprised they didn't use Oceania airlines that they always use in the movies.
Now confused because was he adopted? Yes, so she's part of that.
So Wendy adopted Peter Pan when she oh because oh, because because he
talks about he kept going back and she kept getting older and so she couldn't
fly anymore. And I guess that's at the point where she adopted it and
her daughter, right, So, so time had passed, so she had
grown older, but he'd stayed the same, so that when he starts to
grow older, there's a time distance. So then he falls in love with
the daughter. Okay, yeah, so I forget how how does he end
up in Neverlands? So so he goes away on they So they're they're in
America, right, and they have the baseball game, and the Sun is
going to play the baseball game and he says, oh, no. First
it starts off at the play. They're watching a play of Peter Pan and
the daughter, the youngest daughter is in the play, and the Sun is
watching with Rob Williams and the mother, and he gets a phone called yes,
so look the businesses, you know, and she's like, put away
the phone, you know. And then the Sun has a baseball met and
a baseball and he says, you know, I'll be there tomorrow morning for
the business deal. And then the Sun says, you know what about my
baseball game, Dad, and he says, my word is my bond.
Of course, he breaks his word because the next morning they have the baseball
game. The Sun is there and Robin Williams goes off to the short meeting
which ends up this, you know, is this long business deal or whatever.
He sends his cameraman to film the game, and then by the time
he shows up, the game is over. By the way the game was,
it's obviously warm outside because they're playing baseball, but they threw in winners
special or whatever. And I guess that's because they premiered the movie in December,
so they had to make it a Christmas movie. And it's also did
you notice this The name of the league is called like date, It's called
the Date Nut League. Very weird. Yeah, it's something weird that I
saw in there that plays into a lot of the Jeff's I make every stuff
in the film, because there's a lot of it. And so then anyway,
they missed the baseball game. Then they get on the plane and they
fly over to London because he has to dedicate the new wing of the hospital.
When they're on the plane, the sun is throwing baseball at the He's
trying to crack the window of the airplane and Robin Williams says, why do
you have to always act like such a child? And the kid says,
well, I'm a child, and then he hits the thing and the you
know, the oxygen mask come down. They get mad. Then they get
to London. They go to Wendy's house and then they put the kids to
bed. The baseball is missing. The daughter says, oh, the kid
says where who took my baseball? And she says the weird man that keeps
appearing at the window, Oh yeah, which is hook right right? And
then they go and they dedicate the hospital wing. Robin Williams is giving a
speech and he says, we're all orphans, or I'm an orphan, And
then I guess how did they get out of the latch for the window by
the way as a hook? And he wants the kid keep the window shut,
always keep the window shut, which we know from Peter Pan is now
that he's an adult, he wants to keep the window shut because he doesn't
have to come home again. But the window blows open, and then the
I guess hook takes him off to Neverland, and then Robin Williams has to
go and comes for him, right, and and tinker Bell is Julia Roberts.
Yeah. Did you notice they called they called her tinker Hell, did
they really? Yes, she was a high maintenance she was high maintenance diva.
Oh that's funny. Oh did you notice that in the Disney's Peter Pan
and Wendy, the live action one, they're playing Peter Pan in the beginning.
Yeah, in the beginning. Yeah, they're fighting, they're sword fighting.
Yeah, they're already He's already in their pant of Heroes. Yeah,
which is like right about the time that the actual book was written. Yeah,
so so that move. So the Peter Pan and Wendy was released on
the anniversary of the release of the nineteen fifty three movie, and then I
guess that is supposed to be an anniversary of when the play was originally produced.
The play called The Boy who hates mothers. Oh my god, yes,
yes, and the Little White Bird. Yeah. And then in this
they're watching the play, so everyone is aware of Peter Pan, even though
Wendy is involved in the actual thing. Oh there's also the brother, either
it's John or Michael, who comes in. He's like, I lost my
marbles. Oh yeah, it was one of the Lost Boys, right,
I lost my marbles. I can't get him back. And then at the
end he gets his marbles. See I didn't, I did. He lose
my marbles and he flies away. It's interesting. It ends interesting that the
movie ends with the man flying away instead of the kids. So now he's
achieved this everlasting youth innocence of flying and he flies towards Big Ben. It's
weird. So Tink comes and gets Robin Williams so he can save his children.
They get to Neverland the Lost Boys, like, where the f of
you Ben? This whole time, Yeah, he doesn't remember. Robin Williams
doesn't remember that he's Peter Pan, and he doesn't believe any of this.
He's just like an old man. Now. It takes him an hour and
forty minutes. I timed it. Oh, to remember to remember that he's
Peter Pan an hour and forty minutes of a two hour and seven minute movie
to remember that he's Peter Pan. But you you like his outfit right when
he like this. I never this movie. So it came out in ninety
one. I guess that's probably why I didn't like it, because it came
out in ninety one, and in ninety one, I mean I was eleven,
so I was like, dude, I don't want to see this.
I want to go smoke cigarettes. Was you know, I wasn't interested in
this, But it's a Spielberg movie, and there is a thing with like
there's he mentions dinosaurs in the movie, and then there's the giant you know's
the crocodile that kind of looks like a dinosaur. So Jurassic Park is on
the heels of this movie. Yeah, I guess, but I just didn't
like I just I get the creepy crawlies when I see this human man child
who's he's I like Robbin Williams because I like Good Morning Vietnam. I liked
I like his role. I mean, I think he's awesome in that,
but this movie is like he's he's a man. Yeah, and he's there
with all these kids and he's wearing I mean, Dustin Offman even says like,
oh, you still fit into the tides, right, yeah, and
he's like and it's like, it's just it's just weird. It's like an
uncanny valley or something. Looking at his face hanging out with these guys.
There's also my other big problem is, but the movie is there's too much
kitchy. Oh, we're gonna do this. We're all gonna clap at the
same time, right, We're all gonna have sayings that we say at the
same time. And then they finished yeah they and yeah the bangarrang and and
then they yeah, Rufio rufio, and it's like they all say it three
times. It becomes this weird hypnotic thing. And then also clearly Spielberg was
like, oh, it's nineteen ninety one, so we got to appeal to
kids in this, So we're gonna have skateboarding and basketball, right, And
it's like the Bones Brigade shows up and it's like skateboarding the Lost Boys,
And then you look at the set and it's like the guy's like windsurfing like
on a track. You know, it's just there's a lot of contrived stuff.
You know. Spielberg said that he hates this movie. Oh yes,
he made the movie and he says, I it's a bad movie. What
what do you think about it being called Hook and not Peter Pan. Why
do you think? Well, I I want to give it some sort of
light take on it. But the movie is so full of weird spirally stuff,
Pegate, Jeff Stein, mcguffrey stuff in it. It's all over the
place in this movie. And there's there's literal spiral symbolism. There's Hook.
You know, you're I'm your he says, he's he's his dad. Now
there's the lizard man crocodile trying to get him. There's the smashing of the
clocks. Yes, there's there's the fact that the sun doesn't recognize the dad
anymore. Come back, come back, you know, remember your father?
You know, And it's like they're lost in a psychic hase of monarch,
you know, splitting all the stuff with the the slave slop, food fights,
multi colored you know, there's there's just a lot in this movie.
There's so much. I can't even recall it all. But there's so much
in the movie that it really. So I think that hook is like it's
like we're hooking the audience into this thing that we have, I mean the
baseball games, and it's like you got David Crosby and Jimmy Buffett. Jimmy
Buffett was on the flight logs. He was I won't say too much about
that because of the thing, but he was that he went to the jeff
Stein mcgeffrey place many many times. Okay, and I don't know, but
all I know he's on there and he played there many times. And David
Crosby, who's got all this weird stuff is in their gene. Glenn Close
plays a man in the movie Dustin Hoffman. Is this he goes beyond creepy
and foppish, right, he becomes a it's predatory, you know, and
yes, to make him be his little mentee or something. Right, So
it's like we're gonna hook the audience. And also this is about hooking people
into stay, you know, and and the like we mentioned last week,
the kids are there on the island and they're living forever in innocence and youth,
but also the pirates are there and at one point, remember Maggie Smith,
she says what have you been doing? And he talks that's when the
Sun talks about the hedge fun stuff, and she says, oh, you've
become a pirate. So he's grown up to become a pirate. He's a
financial raider, and yet he's going back to this island so he can have,
you know, innocence forever. What were you going to say about the
bird's eye view of the island, because I remember like a compass or something,
wasn't it. Yeah, there's a compass, and I was trying to
see if there was anything else with the compass, you know, like as
if it were Rosicrucian or something. I'm sure that plays into it. But
it's like, we see this god's eye view of the island, and I
just can't help but think of Jeff Stein McCaffrey Island because of all the kids
are there, and he's flying down into this place and he's wearing tights,
and well, how many kids do you think that they took their telling them
We're going to go to never Land or yeah, and you know that,
you know, the original idea to play Peter Pan was in this movie.
Who Spielberg wanted in the eighties was who he wanted to cast Michael Jackson.
Oh yeah, there were like two big pushes to get Michael Jackson to play
this role. And then of course Michael Jackson ends up with never Land Ranch
or he wants to you know, which I think is some sort of MK
ultra facility. I mean it's yeah, but uh, there, there's there's
you can listen, you can watch this movie and you can look at every
second of this movie and there's something in it where you go, oh no,
there's all these little lines that they say. There's a there's there's the
Dustin Hoffman line where he's so out of context it sounds he's He's like,
I remember you being a lot bigger, and he says like, oh,
I don't even want to say what he says, but it's very weird.
It's very weird how he responds to that. And then there's a part where
he's on the phone talking to the guy at the end and he's like,
Oh, I'm just crawling up a drain pipe. I've been on fairy dust.
I mean, how does it feel to fly? And he throws the
phone out the window. But there's another line that he says there that's very
weird. So it's almost like the movie functions as a fantasy for these people.
You know, what I've noticed in kids movies is like the dialogue is
really inappropriate if you're not watching what they're doing. Yes, I'm trying to
think, what was that movie with the rock that just came out, Jungle
Cruise. So there's a scene that they're talking. The dialogue sounds like a
sex scene like push it harder and stuff like that, but they're trying to
do something innocent, but what they're saying does not fit exactly that and it
sounds dirty. Have you know? Yes, yes, And I would say
that. Okay, look, you know, there has to be a point
where we can't as adults, we can't take everything as innuendo, because then
it almost functions as like, okay, now we're the ones being childish when
we read into that, right, But this is a film, This is
this is like a two hundred million dollars film where every single piece of dialogue
is written and rewritten and they know exactly the context, and they have dozens
of people to read the script, and they have dozens of people to read
over this, and they know what the movie's about, and look, at
that all the people involved. So it's creepy. I hate to old this
movie for anybody. Look if you look, if you I'm not going.
If anybody's watching and they love the movie when they were a kid, that's
fine. Yeah right, I'm just saying we're looking at it in terms of
the symbolism and in terms of you can't help but look at some of the
darker things with this, especially what we've just discussed with Pan. I mean,
well, yeah, I feel like I do that a lot too,
Like I spoil everything, like I've just ruined Peter Pan for everyone. Well,
but but listen, if somebody, if honestly, I mean, if
you're watching, if you were watching this and you thought, okay, that
spoils it for me. But then also you have to have disarmament and you
and you have to have your own method of going through things and deciding what
you think is good or not right. So you know, we're just looking
at it. No, we're just discussing it. So hopefully it didn't.
You know, be happy in your memories of the movie. I guess I
think you're remaining some really good points. You know, you can't know until
after the fact exactly what's happening, Like you said, like the piece heads
and the jeff Stein Island and stuff. It's like that was probably their hey
day that, you know, the nineties. Yeah, yeah, I mean
I rewatched Jurassic Park the other day and I was thinking of doing an analysis
on it because, you know, I read the book when it came out.
I was a kid. I read it when it came out, and
it's dinosaurs, and you know, and you watch the movie and but there's
a lot of Jeff Goldkum, you know when you yeah, you know,
wouldn't it be sexy if we have alos erupted? Right? He's a sexy
math katition, right, And like who it can afford to go to this
island where there's dinosaurs and there's the most dangerous game. Right, It's almost
like it's almost as if the old guy who's kind of a Jeff Stein mceffer
character, planned the whole thing to be him dangerous game. Why is Wayne
Knight the scientist on the island in the tropics? Do you think that guy
is going to go to the tropics? Yeah? I did a whole thing
on Drastic Park when I was talking about that show. If dinosaurs are real
or not. So in the beginning of that, we talk a lot about
Michael Crichton, and yeah, you're right to do a Durassic Park because that
whole franchise needs in depth analysis because it goes weird places, uh chimeras,
DNA splitting, cloning. Do you remember the part where sam Neil gives there's
a part of the beginning where they're on the dinosaur dig and he says,
this is a velociraptor claw and there's a little kid. They always get these.
The casting is very strange. Get they get this kid who's like a
Benjamin Britton, Benjamin Button poet, Benjamin Button. And he goes up and
he's like, what's the deal with the claw? That's stupid, And sam
Neel's like, well, if I were a veloci raptor, I would take
this and slash your And he goes on this like long, I remember exactly
what you're talking about. He's like, it'll rip you to shreds, and
yeah with the claw, yeah yeah, it'll rip you to shreds. Your
guts will spill out and then you will fester it. And it's like,
dude, enough I do just on a dinosaur dig man chill I do and
the kids looks like the kid looks like he walks away. Yeah, he
totally owned that little kid. Terrible. Okay, last question, what did
you think of the close ups of Dusty moth Man and hook with his They
are doing lots of close ups of his mustaches, tea, and his mouth.
Yeah, they tied a little twine around his mustache and you know,
his mustache has like a mind of its own. Yeah. I thought that
very weird casting, right, I mean, I guess if you're going to
get a creep to play Captain Hooked, then you would get I mean,
he certainly looks the party, but everybody's too old, right, even for
a Peter Van thing. You know, it's odd. I like the way
that it's resolved because he goes back because Peter Pant goes back home. And
then he realizes, oh no, I have a family, and he you
know, he goes up into the window and he says, you know,
always leave this window open. It's like, you know, and he reunites
with Wendy and then they they're a family again. So it's positive at the
end, right, and you know, we see the sun and it's positive.
And then of course, the old man finds his marbles and flies off
into the time portal, which is weird. I guess he's going to go
hang out with Jimmy Buffett and Jeff Still on the Island's name what's his name?
Oh? Yeah, right right? Title? What what are you doing
in this house? You don't even live here? Yeah? Right? He
was an old last boy. I've been living in there. I've been living
in the walls looking for my marbles, right years, I've been watching the
family. Yes, okay, well I'm not sure. I think we have
panned all of it all hand out, we've covered all of it. Yes,
we've done Pan Universe a pan, and I think we've made our point
that is probably not a good idea to be trying to contact spirits. On
the other side, Pan is Bapo me hidden God. And we're gonna be
talking a lot about that more on Rockman. And the next time you see
me and bast Analyzer, we're gonna be talking about washing in DC, right
right, Yeah, that's right, esoteric adventure of our nation's capital. And
that's movie awesome. Yeah, go go on the tour of esoteric architecture in
DC. And this wouldn't be a tour without the Albert Pike statue. I
think, right, giant follows of Osiris on the last Yeah, they created
a city laid out in a Sepharroth. Interesting, Yeah, right, But
I think, you know, just as the last word about Peter Pan,
I think that you know, I love the story as a kid, and
I think that the it's a it's a book in the cannon. It's a
classic work because it functions on a number of you know, on multiple levels.
And I think it's great that we went into all things Pan, which
is which is again related to this, because of all of the imagery,
all the symbolism that we've covered and far as far as we've done modern poetry,
we covered ancient you know, we covered Avid, we covered Alistair Crowley,
we covered Mac and we covered the everything Pan all the movie. So
I think it takes people, you know, with discernment to look at these
things and decide for yourself adventure novel or something darker. Who knows? Yea,
and thank you so much, Jamie, really appreciate you. You're welcome.
This is one of my favorite shows. So tell everybody where they can
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