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I'm here today with Mike Hideous from
the Empire, Hideous from what what

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do you call it? Who was
the Other One? Spy Society? And

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then also the Misfits, Misfits exactly
and Bronx Casket Company. I was gonna

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say, don't forget the Bronx.
I was in New York. I remember

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you ask the one I didn't know. That's awesome. Yeah, I was

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like, oh, that's interesting.
Yeah. So we have Mike's website pulled

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up here. We also have his
Finding the Truth with Mike Hideous, which

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I think is still active. Right
you're still Uh it's kind of a hard

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thing to explain, but we're kind
of in the middle of working out some

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problems. But okay, technically it's
still going, but right now we've been

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on a hiatus. Gotcha. I
love the Evil Dead two poster in the

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background too, and big Big Fan
original. That's an original poster. Oh

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that's great, that's funny. I
just told somebody about that today myself.

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They had never seen the movie they
they left. I think I had posted

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a Necronomicon something. It was like
a jug You ever see that Leonardo DiCaprio

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look where he's always got that that
funny look going, And it was like

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something like that, like him having
the Necronomicon in his hand. He was

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like me making a look like I
care about you know. He was like

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putting it in like a free free
book box I have. Are you talking

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about the Are you talking about the
Simon Necronomicon? It looked like the one

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from the From the Evil Dead?
I mean one, Okay, Yeah,

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I don't know if they're actually I
actually have the Simon the hardcover limited edition

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Necronomicon that was released in nineteen seventy. Is that printed by Watserman? Oh?

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Off the top of my head,
I couldn't tell you. But Simon

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was the author and a lot of
controversy about that book. But it's a

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limited of the hardcover book that I
had that I own. I'm very proud

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of it. Cool. Cool,
Sorry, all right? So where I

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first met or was introduced to by
digital, not by by you know,

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face to face, But when I
first learned of Mike Hideous it was from

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the Michael Deacon program. So I
have to give a shout out to Mike.

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Very funny, very entertaining, very
almost and it's funny to say this

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because it's very you know, some
kind of sometimes raunchy, but wholesome in

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a way, because Mike is just
such a freaking nice guy. Mike Hideous

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is such a nice guy. And
that's what struck me to want to look

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deeper into what he was all about, because you know, sometimes I take

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away something I'm just you know,
once I have that bead of you know,

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laser sight focus, I want to
start looking at everything. And that

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was what it was for him.
It was just this kindness that that you

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know, came from everything, my
dog, my daughter's gone back and forth

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because she's home from school now.
But I mean, that's that's one of

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the things that struck me. And
I think my question too, is when

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it comes to what Michael Deacon was
saying about, you know you you claim

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or you are or Satanist, right, yes, okay, And what he

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was saying is you're just too nice
of a guy to be one. And

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so so I think we need to
clarify what that means to different people,

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because I think that there's a big
misconception as to what that actually is when

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it entails. I think a lot
of that the hype of movies and music

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and stuff like that. I mean, there's an expression, there's the there's

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the way to like, you know, just you know, put yourself first.

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And then there's also this idea that
it takes in all this Talmudic and

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cabalistic child sacrifice stuff, which I
think was a cover for more I guess

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you could call Hebrew oriented things that
are happening in the eighties where they had

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the Satanic Panic, they just labeled
everything under one box called the Satanic Panic,

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and you know, try to discredit
it. But I think there was

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actually real stuff going on. Definitely, there was a lot of cult activity

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going on. There's always there's always
stuff going on though. That's the issue,

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and they you just mentioned the eighties
Satanic panic. The thing is that

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when that happened, let's back it
up, even Furst. Yeah, yeah,

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please. Religion, all main mainstream
religions are always going to use the

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negative side to bring you into the
positive side. So people are brought up

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on the idea that, you know, Satanism is a bad thing, it's

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a negative thing. And that's mainly
because that's how religion presents it. And

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let's put it this way, if
it wasn't for satan, the church would

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be out of business, so right, I mean that that's the truth.

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I mean, let's face it,
because if we didn't have religion to tell

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us what to do, then you
know, it's like a business merger exactly.

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But what I'm trying to say is
that it all comes down to religion,

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and the majority of is nic.
Okay over there, he's okay,

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there you go. But you know, the religion teaches people one dogmave you

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and that's it. And I'm not
knocking it. I mean I was a

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Roman Catholic for years most star I'm
just thinking, does all of us slap

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at the Jesuits? That's all.
All I'm saying is that, uh,

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that's how we're brought up to see
Satanism. There is no man in the

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clouds looking down upon us. There
is no demonic figure with horns, red

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skin and a point detail below us. There is no heaven, there is

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no hell. That's how I see
it. You could because you could say

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I'm an atheist, fine, whatever, But when I read the Satanic Bible.

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It was the best self help book
I ever read. Is that Anton

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zender LaVey's Yeah Satanic Bible. Okay, yeah, yeah, there's also Michael

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Aquino's revised version, right, which
had a little with him. He had

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a little he had a little tiff
with with Levey. Yeah. Well that

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went way back to probably the late
sixties, early seventies when they broke up.

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Yeah, yeah, they was later
on, Uh no, because what

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happened was Levey started charge of taking
money, Yeah, taking money from people

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to make them high high priests.
And that's not what Michael Aquino wanted.

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And he had a point there.
Nevertheless, Uh look, I'm not going

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to say that there weren't things that
that Levey did that might have been unorthodox

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for the Satanic religion. But nevertheless, Michael Aquino he had his vision,

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and his vision it made sense,
which is, you don't just let people

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pay you. That's bribery, not
maybe not bribery, well getting paid off,

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well you know what, you know
what sucks about that too. It

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is just my opinion. I really
don't know. I don't know much about

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the Satanic the temple set or any
of this stuff, but in my opinion,

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going from my experience in like the
Oto or just even when it comes

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to occultism, you know, if
you have money, it doesn't matter.

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And then like what your understanding of
occultism a magic is, and then you're

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gonna move up. People are gonna
look at you because you're higher up.

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And then when you say ignorant shit, they're gonna take it as goal right

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and now and then now people that
are there searching for something are getting fed

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bullshit and they believe it that that's
where I would actually have all those problems

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with. I mean, I just
I just tend to see Satanism modern Satanism

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as a way of bettering yourself succeeding. And that's why they call it the

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selfish religious self reflection, self self
fulfill Yeah, of course you have to,

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you know, I don't. I
don't. I don't drink blood,

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I don't sacrifice babies or kittens.
I mean, in fact, one of

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the first things in the Satanic Bible
is you never harm animals or children or

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anybody else unless they harm you.
It's not an it's an eye for an

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eye. It's not you know,
you slap me and I turned the cheek.

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That that's not how it is.
It's that's why I said it's cold.

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It's called the selfish religion. So
when you're what do you think this

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other element comes from? And why
do you think they blur the line?

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And you know imposed this and let
me ask you what you think about the

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West Memphis three. I mean,
because I'm I'm certain that they did what

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they did. I think that they
used the satanic panic excuse to try to

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say that that was you know,
it was just that they were just being

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a you know, what's the hard
I'm trying to say, pigeonholed into it

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because of their their being where and
black, and also it was all bullshit.

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There was there was plenty of evidence
there was a long history for eCos

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having mental issues and all this other
stuff and what he was into and what

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these other kids were involved in,
and they're multiple confessions that occurred afterward.

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But the spin and trying to get
them all out and try to save them

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through all the I think I see
that was another part of a ritual.

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Eighteen years later, they have all
this support, getting people, you know,

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and then it's all it's all musicians
and freaking uh Jackson Peter Jackson fronting

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the money for their defense. Yeah, what was your question? So how

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do you think why is it that
they mixed these and confused the issue where

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like you say, in Satanism they're
not about harming, not about the blood

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drink and all this stuff in that
and that respect. So how does it

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get get mixed into like the Talmudic
and like this ancient Babylonian magic stuff that

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is usually interchangeable and very as far
as what people perceive it as. First

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and foremost, a lot of younger
people who get into Satanism get into it

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because it's cool, you know.
And uh, and then you have the

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music industry which almost really like especially
heavy metal, with profits off of that.

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You know that uh that look that
mindset, I'm sorry, like an

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edge, It provides an edge,
Yeah, I mean, you know,

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look at Ozzy. Ozzy was uh
they called Ozzy the Prince of Darkness.

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Bands like Dio, Iron Maiden,
Slayer, King Diamond, all these heavy

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metal bands that were, you know, uh, were very Satanic oriented.

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You know, I see I see
Sabbath as being kind of like roped into

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it because that's what everybody perceived them
as, like kind of incorrectly at first,

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so they just finally I ran with
it as a theme. Yeah.

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Again, it's how we are brought
up to understand what Satanism is. And

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if you're like, listen to old
Black Sabbath and look at the lyrics,

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it'd be like, he doesn't sound
any different than a conspiracy theorist from twenty

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twenty four. However, if you
look, however, if you look at

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the first Black Sabbath album, you
know, the first album Black Sabbath,

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I mean that that in itself is
a Satanic album. I mean that scared

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the living shit out of me.
When I was about six. I always

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thought the album cover was just really
creepy on oh my God, but it

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was just yeah, it was oh
my God. It gave me nightmares.

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I was so scared of that album, But now I love it anyway.

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Like I said, it's because of
the way we're brought up to understand what

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Satanism is. And don't get me
wrong, people do take it and use

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it for the wrong thing. If
you're going to hurt an animal, a

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child, or anybody else with that
matter, you better stay away from me

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because I will hurt you bad.
And that's not Satanism. And by from

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your from your perspective, that's that's
that's logic, that's logic. So so

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what so what is that element?
Then? What would you label the element

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that does the sacrifice? What would
you say that is? Is that more?

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Is that more? Babylonian dummies?
Dummies? Anybody? Look the Islamic

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religion they kill everything for like sacrifice
and and ritual. They open a airport

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and they slice a lamb's throat or
a goat's sore, Why what's the purpose?

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The same with the Jewish religion.
They have this thing where they call,

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you know what the scapegoat is?
The escapegoat is was when they take

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a fucking goat and they drop it
out of four story building Jesus or And

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I mean, it's terrible, It's
terrible. I I'll do anything for an

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animal, I really will. That's
how much I love animals. But in

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fact, I just adopted a kitten
on Monday. The point of the matter

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is you don't do that to anything. No living creature deserves to be sacrificed

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or beaten or hurt in any way. And that goes for people too,

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So I I you know, and
again it says it right in the Satanic

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Bible. You don't do that.
You don't harm individuals unless they harm you

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first, all right, So I
mean I would say, like I read

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Michael Ford's Babylonian magic book called mass
Game Hole, and to me, that

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like what they depict there and what
I learned about sabotine and Frankism, to

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me, that's more of what they're
kind of push into calling a Satanism than

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anything else. It's more of the
Babylonian stuff, and it's the frankest stuff

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that isn't. Isn't Michael Ford a
Luciferian? Yeah? Yeah, he wasn't.

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I think he was also allegedly in
the the the global death cult there

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that what's his name talks about William
William ran oh at nine angles Yeah you

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go, oh oh yeah. I
have that book too, very complicated read.

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Yeah, And I also have one
of Michael's books as well. I

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know he's done a couple of them, quite a few actually, but I

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only have one. Yeah. So
as soon as that, what would you

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say the difference between Luciferianism and these
are the general questions that people want to

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know, and the confusion is that
that everything's all lumped into one category,

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right, and it's not discernible,
and you know what I mean, then

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there's prejudice, and that's what they
want. They want that confusion. So

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what would you say a Luciferian is
in relation to a Satanist to it?

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And is it different? I don't
know. I gotta be honest. I'm

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not that educated on what the Luciferian
religion varietyology conducts, or what they want

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from their followers or what they believe
in. I really don't know. And

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I got to be perfectly honest with
you. I read Michael's Michael Ford's book

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back in two thousand, I think
it was two thousand and eight, nine,

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maybe ten. It's been a while. Yeah, I don't remember exactly

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what the what the the ideology of
Luciferian is. I gotta be honest,

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I don't I don't remember. We'll
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I said, but one one more
question I have. So do you practice

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like any type of conjuring, any
type of spells? Is there any like

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circle that you stand in or stand
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is it that you would say?
Is it in your mind incorporated into the

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idea of what Satanism is? I
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rituals. Okay, I'm kidding with
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occult and witchcraft and Satanism back from
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two thousand and six up until about
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until about two thousand and twelve or
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it, I tend I found that
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the subject here, so as far
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to say is that when I got
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curious person, you want to experiment
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was no different. I wanted to
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because the first thing, you know, you get these books sometimes you open

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up there. We have no responsibility
for whatever may take place in your life

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after you read this book or if
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curses. So the first thing I
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know, I wanted to understand what
I was messing with. And I'm not

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really afraid of the other side,
so to speak, for lack of a

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better term, I swollow you after
a while, though, Do you have

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a dark passenger looking over your shoulder
or what if? If I do,

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I don't recognize it. But I
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rituals and curses that I did worked. And that's all I can really tell

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you how it happened. I don't
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you to get really deep into it, right right, which is why I

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kept going. But you know,
I gotta admit that it's been since I

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moved to Pennsylvania, you know,
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Pennsylvania, I haven't really done a
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been, got to be honest,
I've been really preoccupied with other things in

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my life and I just don't or
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focus on that. So but I
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read about it. I still find
it absolutely fascinating, and yeah that I

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don't I guess anybody would want to
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I think you have to have the
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Okay, all right, I'm I'm
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what happens. But I've never I've
never conjured I've never conjured demons for certain

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purposes, but I have I have
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that any way you want it,
really, right, Do you guys have

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any questions? I was going to
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if you guys have anything else you
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I was gonna comment maybe I guess
like a little bit of what he

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just said, like from my own
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that I was in the Oto.
I was in that for a little bit,

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and then eventually I just left.
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for me, like you know,
I guess like in the beginning, same

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thing, I was all big and
huge about like learning the Russia, Vanishing

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Ritro the Pentagram, and then I
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Ruby and all this other stuff.
You know, you get into all that

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you start playing around with like invoking
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know, from the cabalistic tree or
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like at some point, for me, like I just I believe that I

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had magical experiences and realized that I
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could just do it in meditation,
you know what I'm saying. So like

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even for me, I mean,
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I might put myself pretty deep,
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to trying not to really go that
far. By the way, you have

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amazing eyes. It's the tailor oft
the blue. But like for me,

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and also I mean that in the
most manly way, I kind of didn't

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think you're really going there totally.
Honestly, I really didn't anyway, No

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you were saying, yeah, So
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I was like really big into that, and I guess maybe again this is

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just for me my experiences of magic. I just really felt that like I

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didn't need to do all that stuff, and like in some ways I thought,

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you know, me me asking like
tohudi or something for something, I

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was still being a slave. Well
you know what, you know what Levey

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said about what you just said,
All of that is psychodrama. The candles,

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the banners, they alter, it's
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here, you don't need any of
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can just go into a meditation and
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that interesting. It's just it's all
about the mind and kind of your experience

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because the way you were saying,
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sounds like me a little bit.
I was at the beginning, and then

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after that I just realized that I
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specifically talks about it in the Satanic
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psychodrama, and Uh, it's everything
that you use to the incense, the

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candles, everything, it's all to
get your mind and your spirit and your

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body focused on what it is you
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are talking about an ancient practice that
I believe predates Satanism, and it's just

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witchcraft in a sense, dark witchcraft. And then again witchcraft is black and

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white, and so you are basically
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or bend reality or or the present
and or future. So when I did

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what I had to do for my
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a way where, you know,
after having read everything I needed to read,

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I was training my mind to hopefully
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some what out I don't know without
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like I'm a magician, it actually
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you call it luck, I don't
know what it happened. And I was

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positively blown away. Yeah, I
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the Now you can tell me if
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was reading masquine Hole, they have
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the figure for whatever type of like
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it. I find it interesting that
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it would be a blue string,
and the medical establishment is everything's blue,

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right, And I find that a
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to what they're actually doing to you. It's like an eugenics program, not

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really there for your health, you
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ritual involved in there too, and
you know, the symbols of the cadusis

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or whatever else you want to call
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something else I was thinking of when
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like setting your mind up. I
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an outline, just claint. But
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less of banishing ritual, the pentagram
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have even wondered, is that even
just me like kind of representing the change

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that's going on inside my eyeball when
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and closing my pupil depending if I'm
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it seems. I was just like, yo, this is he just started

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thinking. I was like, health
again, this is needed. Once you

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realize what's there on paper, you're
gonna understand. Like, okay, I

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am right when I thought this was
what's going on. Yeah, if I

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may not for nothing, but I
wanted to mention this. After I had

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studied the occult and witchcraft and Satanism
for about six or seven years, I

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was so intrigued by all of it, I decided to write my own personal

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grimoire and I did it all by
hand. A nice book. In fact,

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the book was bought in Turkey.
It's handmade, it's got a leather

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cover, and it was given to
me by a friend. Now I do

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artwork, so he originally got it
for me to do artwork in, but

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it had the kind of paper that
doesn't really it's not good with a pencil,

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it's good to write on with a
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felt was the best that I could
find from all of books I had read

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for all those years, and I
incorporated them into one book, as well

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as putting my own versions of spells
and rituals in that book four hundred and

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ten pages, all written by hand, drawings by yours truly, both original

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and copies from some of the Grim
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reason I did it is because when
I read the original Grim Wars from a

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thousand years ago, the majority of
them all include two things. They're all

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about God, number one and number
two. Every time they were trying to

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invoke a demon for nefarious purposes,
they always bound that demon. Therefore,

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even if they're if you, whether
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when you get this demon to do
your deeds, it's not going to

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like you, right, which is
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Satanic thing and made you know,
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first thing he said was, you
don't want to get these things pissed off

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at you because they're they're they're working
for you. Why would you want to

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bind them and anger them. So
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the old Grim Wars, I'm like, this isn't right, this can't be

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right. So that's when I read
That's when I began to read more about

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Satanism and Anton Lavy and began to
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like I said, I wrote the
book. I'm very, very proud of

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it. It's one of my greatest
achievements. It took me one year.

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Every single day I wrote in that
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twenty pages, I wrote in that
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and I created one of the greatest
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I had Let me rephrase that,
one of the greatest creations of art that

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I had ever created. Because it
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so detailed. I'm extremely proud of
it. You know, some people might

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not get it or understand, but
I just I think it's pretty cool.

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we have the opportunity here kind of like

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the segue for this is that you
also have a book that's available to all

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of us called King of an Empire
to the Shoes of a Misfit, and

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that's in its third edition now I
believe yes. And that website, I'll

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just pull it up real quick so
you people can see it. So I'm

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just going to share this real quick
so you can see. There's all the

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tabs here for all the different types
of things. There's misfits Mike right there,

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but the book tab you'll see you
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is Mike's memoirs. I'm sure they're
very interesting and I would love to hear

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some interesting stories if you have the
time. But somebody did ask Lisa,

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did you have anything you wanted to
say? I had a quick quick question

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just in setting with Nick some of
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of past. It seems to me, and being from an academic scientific training,

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is that majority of this stuff kind
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You know a lot of this type
of science. That's friends. You could

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say, would you say that Satanism
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more so than I guess what people
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sorry. It plays on what plays
on like like quantum mechanics, or like

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with the rituals, with the invoking
and stuff like that, harnessing the mental

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power of it all, you know, it could be. I don't have

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a definitive answer for that. I
think it really depends on what an individual

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beliefs. I am a skeptic.
I'm a skeptic on everything. I need

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proof for everything which is weird.
You know how I could be into the

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occult and satanism and rituals and all
that because I believe in science, which

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you know, if you read the
Bible, science, yeah, exactly.

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Science was brought to us by the
fallen angels and they taught mankind and obviously

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that's that's a myth in the story, but it's a great story as well

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as they taught that. The angels
taught us how to use weapons and how

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to I don't know, do a
bunch of different stuff. But I think

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it all depends on the people who
are reading about it and what they choose

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to, you know, to believe. So it's really it's really in the

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eyes of the believer or the reader. I hope that answered your question.

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It does, it does, it
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So we have a question here that
I thought it was pretty interesting and it'll

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kind of get us into the other
aspect. We can always jump right back

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into this topic though. But Eric
Alexander, who it looks like, is

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an admin on one of your things
as curious if Mike has any fun stories

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from Alchemy back in the day for
those of us who were too young and

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stuck in the Midwest. I first
heard of him because of the Misfits and

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later a Voltaire song. Yeah,
Voltaire wrote a song where he mentions me

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Alchemy. Uh if I'm correct here, what this person Eric Eric is referring

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to is a nightclub that was in
New York City that I used to go

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to and hang out. It was
first it was at a club what the

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hell is it called? Damn?
I don't remember, but when they moved

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it to CBGB's Gallery is when they
changed it to Alchemy. And it was

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one of the longest running gothic nightclubs
in New York City and I used to

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you know, I played there a
couple of times. I used to go

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there and hang out with my friends. You know could always catch Rolta there

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and myself and my friend Mark,
my my friend Mark Steiner, A lot

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of different people would hang out there
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Really. I think that's about all
I really can say about it. I

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mean, I did, I did
gigs there, but uh, that's pretty

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much it. I hope that answers
your your question. Eric. So my

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question for everybody when it comes to
music is how did you punch a hole

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into getting into like on stage?
Like? What did who? Was it?

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A group of friends that just happened
to be musically inclined and you and

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you guys got together magneta magneta eyes
together and started doing something. How does

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that even take off the ground to
where other people are like, yeah,

405
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.680
that guy, let me want him
for this band. I'm gonna be really

406
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:13.319
obnoxious, and I'm gonna say I
wrote a book about it. I actually

407
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.920
wrote a book about how I got
into music, from the very beginning when

408
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:23.240
I first started out until in the
last chapter that I added to the third

409
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:30.839
edition, which brings me up to
date into two thousand toy I think it

410
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.400
was twenty fourteen is where I ended
it. But basically in a nutshell,

411
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.599
and I hope you guys will buy
the book. Whoever's listening to this,

412
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:46.400
But basically, I'm a cancer survivor. I've had cancer like eight times in

413
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:52.000
my life, and the first the
second time I had it, I became

414
00:32:52.279 --> 00:33:00.279
very determined because I was an artist. I've been an artist since I was

415
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:06.400
thirteen, and as I progressed,
I wanted a new outlet. So after

416
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:12.759
my second bout with cancer, I
wrote a few songs. I bought a

417
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:17.000
cassio keyboard like one hundred and twenty
bucks, and I began writing music.

418
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:25.079
Then I began writing lyrics. Now
I knew nothing about making music. I

419
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.440
have two older brothers. My brother
Steve is a piano player as well as

420
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.799
a music conductor. He went to
school for that. And I also have

421
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:38.240
an older brother, Frank, who
was into rock and roll. And you

422
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.039
know Frank, my oldest brother,
Frank, he was, you know,

423
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.240
the guitar player and the drummer,
and he was into bands like Zeppelin and

424
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.440
a lot of bands I really wasn't
into, but you know, Zeppelin,

425
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.759
Sabbath, the Who, classic rock, you know, So I got that

426
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:59.759
from him, and then from my
brother Steve, I got the classical music,

427
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.839
which is pretty much all I really
got from him on that. But

428
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.239
I didn't learn. I never knew
how to play an instrument. I never

429
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:09.679
knew how to sing. I never
knew how to write a song. But

430
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.519
I just decided, you know what, I'm going to do it, and

431
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:19.800
I went, I got a keyboard. I just began to write. I

432
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.559
had a friend of mine who played
guitar. Kid was sixteen when I asked

433
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.599
him to play with me. Let
me say that again, when I asked

434
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:34.159
him to play in my band,
and basically he helped me convert the notes

435
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.480
that I was playing on the keyboard
into chords on the guitar. And then

436
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.239
from there we began to write,
or I should say we began to structure

437
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:45.400
the songs that I had written.
Eventually we found a bass player, a

438
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.079
guitar play on, a drummer.
We asked them to join us. We

439
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:53.760
began, you know, rehearsing these
songs because ultimately, all I wanted to

440
00:34:53.840 --> 00:35:02.119
do was write these songs and record
them from my own personal nostalgic memories.

441
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.159
That's it. I had no intention
on playing out or anything, but that

442
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.719
all changed when people started asking,
you know, are you gonna play out,

443
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.239
Are you gonna you know, are
you gonna Are you gonna do something?

444
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.840
I had no intention, but then
one day I just said, all

445
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.440
right, well, book a gig. Played my first gig at a club

446
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.320
in Nork, New Jersey called the
Pipeline, which many big bands played,

447
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.320
you know, as they were coming
through touring, and I was fortunate,

448
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:37.679
fortunate enough to have gotten that opportunity. And from that point on, after

449
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:43.840
right before the release of my first
twelve inch EP, the band I had

450
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.800
quit on me, so I had
to move to other musicians, and it,

451
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:54.039
unfortunately for me, the rest of
my career revolved around constantly finding new

452
00:35:54.119 --> 00:36:00.360
musicians to play in my band.
So, yeah, I think in nutshell,

453
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.000
I think I've answered your question.
That's how I got into music.

454
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.320
I basically just I had no uh, no background in it or anything like

455
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.920
that. I just decided I was
going to do it, so right off

456
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.559
the right off the bat. Was
it the Empire Hideous or was it some

457
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.199
name changes I actually did? I
was in a band. Did you ever

458
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.719
hear of the band m O D? Okay? Yeah yeah? Method of

459
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.119
Destruction? Yeah yeah, yeah,
okay yeah s O D is Yeah,

460
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.079
that's what I got stuck in my
head, all right. So M O

461
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.840
D had a Billy Milano in it, and he was in s O D.

462
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:39.880
Uh. So Billy Millano was the
singer and this guy Kenny Blone played

463
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.519
guitar, who has tragically died in
the I think it was the last two

464
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:50.480
or three years. Kenny, what's
up? Another COVID victim? No?

465
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.079
No, no, he he had
some kind of cancer or something. I'm

466
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.440
not exactly one hundred percent. Anyway, My point is that Kenny and I

467
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.119
weren't in my We were in band
together for like my first band ever.

468
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:07.000
I was seventeen years old, and
it was called Angry Corpses and it was

469
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.920
a punk rock, hardcore punk rock
band. And as I said, it

470
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.920
was my first project. We never
really played out or did anything like that,

471
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.239
but you know, that was my
first project. By the time I

472
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.000
did the other, the next thing
with all the other guys, that was

473
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:27.400
the Empire Hideous. That's when I
started an Empire. So that was nineteen

474
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:32.599
eighty eight, okay, And then
so were these other bands in tandem,

475
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.880
like with the Spy Society or as
that that I just came after the other

476
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.440
thing kind of fizzled out or in
between howiatus band, because a lot of

477
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.960
people have a lot of projects,
and it's really amazing how they juggled them

478
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.039
all, especially when you're always trying
to find people to stick it with their

479
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:52.679
band and not go do something else. Well, what happened was when I

480
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.440
was when I was touring with the
Misfits, we were literally on a plane

481
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.039
ride back from Europe and the bass
player, Jerry had said to me,

482
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:07.000
listen, he said, start writing
lyrics because when we get back, we're

483
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.400
gon we're gonna get ready to write
a new album. So I began to

484
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:16.800
write lyrics for songs, and it
just so happened that after we got back

485
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:25.320
from the South American tour, shortly
after I was out. So what I

486
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:30.800
did is I created a new band
called Spy Society ninety nine or SS ninety

487
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:37.679
nine for short, and I took
the lyrics that I had written for the

488
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.239
Misfit songs and just basically turned them
into Spy Society songs. And that's how

489
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.320
that emerged. In fact, one
of my favorite bands was Spy Society.

490
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.000
It is such a great I hate
to boast, but it was such a

491
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:55.400
great idea. It had such market
potential and Unfortunately, it never really got

492
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.679
off the ground further than it did
put a CD out of it. It

493
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:07.119
took fourteen years, but I finally
released a CD in twenty fourteen. And

494
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:13.840
I should have never stopped that band. It was a great band. Awesome.

495
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.960
I'm gonna have to look at that
even closer. So with the Misfits,

496
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.559
I want to hear some you know, you're positives of it, But

497
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.960
it almost sounds like when I was
listening to, like a a couple of

498
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.960
minutes of another interview that you had, and it sounds like the same thing

499
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.280
that Glenn had a problem with the
rest of the guys. You kind of

500
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.440
ended up having the same fucking problem
with them, and it was just like

501
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.280
they're not the direction is off.
They just want to do a certain way

502
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:43.119
and it almost and to me,
it almost seems like the whole Levey thing,

503
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.280
like, you know, let's just
see how much we can milk this

504
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.400
thing and fuck the fuck to the
principles. Right, I'll put it to

505
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.920
you this way. So here's the
positive things that I had from the band.

506
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.519
I had known Jerry and Doyle,
who were brothers. I had known

507
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:02.960
them for eleven years before I got
into the band and became the singer.

508
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.679
And basically, I don't want to
give it all away. I would really

509
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:15.800
hope that everybody will buy the book
to get the whole stories. But I

510
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:24.840
knew them prior to getting in the
band, and getting in there was a

511
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:30.320
huge thing for me because when I
was a kid, these guys were like

512
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.039
wow, you know, like they
lived to like a couple of towns over

513
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.320
from where I lived. I was
born and raised in Patterson, New Jersey.

514
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:45.719
So knowing that this very cool look
in punk rock band came out of

515
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.639
Low Die and I bought all their
I had every one of their records.

516
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:55.159
I spent a fortune getting them back
then now they're worth even more. But

517
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.800
I had every record with the love
that in the What's Up with a Cool

518
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.400
Horror thing? Too? Like that
was that was a big deal. That

519
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:10.039
that was, you know, all
Glenn's doing. So you know, years

520
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.519
later, when I finally meet them, that was a big deal for me

521
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:20.599
too. And then because I met
them in eighty seven, I believe it

522
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:25.239
was in the summer of eighty seven, and then you know, years go

523
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.239
by, eleven years goes by,
and they asked me to join the band,

524
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:37.800
and I mean that was something like
you can't imagine. That's like,

525
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.519
you know, your favorite band coming
up to you and say, hey,

526
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:45.199
we need a new singer guitar player, and you're it. So it was

527
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.400
a big, big deal. So
there was that aspect. Then it's kind

528
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.840
of catapulted my own career as my
Hideous with Empire Hideous when I started,

529
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.199
you know, all my CD started
selling and everything like that. So that

530
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.280
was a good thing. When I
first got into the band, and it

531
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:08.519
was it was amazing. Jerry treated
me like his little brother. That's cool,

532
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:15.559
and that felt good. That felt
really good. But then Doyle and

533
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.760
Chud they didn't want me in the
band. They wanted the other singer back,

534
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.760
Michael Graves. So I was very
confused and a lot of them but

535
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:29.480
he has anything good to say about
Graves. As far as the fans though,

536
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:30.679
so what the hell is like?
I don't get them. Why is

537
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.639
the band so got a boner over
the guy? And there nobody who like

538
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.960
fucking listens to music wants to hear
them. I can't tell you how they

539
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:44.119
feel about it, but I can
honestly tell you I tried to audition for

540
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:52.119
them as their singer in ninety five, and it just didn't happen. But

541
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.239
they took Michael Graves because he was
a young kid, he was eighteen,

542
00:42:55.199 --> 00:43:00.679
impressionable, and they were able to
mold him. Yes, I knew what

543
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.000
they wanted. I knew you were
going to say that here, you know,

544
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.159
and then I come into the band. I'm how old do I think?

545
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.440
I was thirty two at the time, maybe thirty, I don't remember.

546
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.599
But you know, here's you know, this guy comes into the band.

547
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:19.440
I've got my own identity. I've
already got a background as my kideous

548
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.480
worldwide really right, and people knew
who I was trying to figure it out

549
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.000
yet, right, and and you
know I come in. They wanted they

550
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:34.599
literally, Jerry literally wanted to dress
me up in the same outfit that Graves

551
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:38.480
were on stage and not tell anybody
who I was. I'm like, no

552
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:44.239
fucking way, I said, I'm
not not going to do that. Secondly,

553
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.679
I was promised a contract. I
never got the contract. They told

554
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.960
me that if you cut your hair
now, mind you, My hair was

555
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.039
all the ways down past my ass, That's how long my hair was.

556
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.760
And they and the reason it was
that long is because when I had cancer

557
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.559
eight years Prior to that, I
had no hair, so growing that hair

558
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.960
was a trophy for me. For
sure, man, for sure. So

559
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.440
now do you know who Peter Steele
is from Typo Negative? Him and I

560
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.320
were friends. Yeah, him and
I were friend. In fact, I

561
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:21.800
was the one who did his last
interview before he died. Oh we'll get

562
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:27.800
to that please. So I cut
my hair and I'm going to jump ahead

563
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.400
a little bit. But after everything
fell apart, I was talking to Peter

564
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.239
on the phony and I told him
what happened. It's like because I was

565
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.199
you know, like I said,
I was told, if you cut your

566
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.800
hair, it'll be a good incentive
and it'll make them realize that you really

567
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:46.000
want to be part of this gig. Like an initiation, rich, I

568
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:52.119
cut my hair off, thirty inches
of my hair gone, all right,

569
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:57.199
yeah it's hair. And they didn't
understand this is a trophy from me that

570
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:02.440
I had. I cut it off
for them. Not only did I do

571
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.960
that, I quit my job.
I had to trained guy to take over

572
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.039
them. I used to work for
a mag Where are you guys? From?

573
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:15.400
Where are you are you? Originally
upstate in New York but yeah,

574
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:23.320
Texas, Yeah, New York,
all right, So if you guys are

575
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:29.360
from the East Coast, you may
remember a tabloid newspaper called the East Coast

576
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:34.159
Rocker or the Aquarian Weekly. Anyway, I used to work for that that

577
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:42.519
newspaper, and by working for that
newspaper, it got me, uh access

578
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.519
to meeting all these other types of
bands. I'm kind of getting a little

579
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.599
off uh off q here, but
anyway, we're just talking here anyway,

580
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:55.719
man, So you know when I
told Peter about how they told me I

581
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:01.039
should cut my hair, he he
was like, you gotta be kidding me.

582
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:06.320
He's like, you should sue them. He's like, you you altered

583
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.679
your appearance so that you could be
in this band and they kick you out.

584
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.800
Anyway, I'm kind of jumping ahead
of the whole story, but that

585
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.039
was one of the things Peter said. As I said, I moved out

586
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.440
of my house. I put all
my all my belongings in storage, quit

587
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:27.599
my job, I had to drive
to I had to drive to Connecticut to

588
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:31.519
get a passport in one day,
because in two weeks all this happened.

589
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:36.519
In two weeks, I had all
this stuff. I just said, I

590
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:39.679
had to get ready to go to
Europe and be on tour for forty some

591
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:47.679
days and in the meantime going up
to vern in, New Jersey to rehearse

592
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.000
learning thirty five new songs. I
mean, I knew the old Misfit songs,

593
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.880
but I never sang them before.
So I had to learn that,

594
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:04.360
pack all my belongings, prepare to
quit my job. Uh. Like everything

595
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.960
I did in two weeks, they
never took into consideration, no conversation,

596
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:15.280
right, I mean, they didn't
realize what I I changed my whole life

597
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.559
for them. It was a once
in a lifetime opportunity for sure, And

598
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.800
I understand why you did it,
but it sucks that they didn't respect that.

599
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:28.039
No, you know, and and
and how punk rock is that?

600
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.599
Right? Like, yeah, cut
your hair the first thing they sayed punk

601
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:35.320
rocket put on this uniform and then
cut your hair, like, oh yeah,

602
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:42.280
you're super punk rock. Else not
wanting, not wanting to tell the

603
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:49.639
audience that it's not Michael Graves,
it's somebody looking like like what, we

604
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.000
don't even want you to have an
identity. We don't want people to know

605
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:53.519
who the fuck you are. But
just quit everything and come with us.

606
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.559
But see one of the reasons,
like, so let me back up again,

607
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:06.440
to the eighties between eighties book Nice. Between eighty seven and eighty eight

608
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:13.760
is when I stopped really hanging out
with the misfits, Jerry in particular.

609
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:22.119
And I'll tell you why. Jerry
had a lawsuit that he was preparing against

610
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.280
Glenn Danzig. Yeah. Now,
I still admired Glenn. He was part

611
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.320
of a band that I absolutely loved
what those guys have gotten together and done

612
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.119
what they did without Glenn. Now
like it's kind of like they kind of

613
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.559
they were riding his coattails right right
and just still using the game macking the

614
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:43.760
theme that someone else created, I
think my opinion. So here's the reason

615
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:47.320
why I stopped really hanging around him
as much as I did. He started

616
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:51.880
asking me to go out and buy
all these bootlegs that he thought Glenn Danzig

617
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.239
was releasing without his authority. Now, mind you, Danzig had just gotten

618
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:02.280
to the level of rock star fame. Okay, the first Danzig album had

619
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.079
come out with the hit Mother and
Twist of Caine, and you know,

620
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.960
he was doing good. Meanwhile,
Jerry and Doyle, they weren't doing anything

621
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:16.320
anymore because they were out of the
scene. And Jerry, who was born

622
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:22.159
again Christian as well as I think
his brother is, I know, right,

623
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:29.119
better and better. They insisted that
Glenn Danzig was worshiping the devil and

624
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.280
paying homage to the devil because he
was maybe it was your hand. You're

625
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.639
like, yeah, I do that, but you know, they they they

626
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.519
just had such a hard time with
it and became so bitter that he was

627
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:49.159
making money and they weren't. And
basically they didn't have the right spells if

628
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:54.880
they weren't making any money. But
the thing is that they started having me

629
00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:00.840
buy all these these bootlegs because they
wanted to sue Glenn. Were like a

630
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:06.559
million dollars or more whatever. The
amount of money that Jerry spent on lawyers

631
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.159
was astronomical, dude, and he
wanted you to be his little spy like

632
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.000
what I was doing. And eventually
I realized, I'm like, wait,

633
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.760
what the fuck am I doing?
What am I doing? Why Why am

634
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:21.760
I letting them use me like this? And that's exactly what was happening.

635
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.119
So I remained friends with him,
but I backed off a lot. Why

636
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:27.480
couldn't they have gotten any of their
other friends that freaking do that? Why

637
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.639
did they make it? It was
like it was like it was like yeah,

638
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.840
like I put, oh they did, Okay, they did. But

639
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.199
you know, being being the person
that I was, you know, I

640
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.440
know, yeah, I was.
I was starstruck with Jerry and Doyle because

641
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.920
I mean, let's face it,
they were heroes to me. They abused

642
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.480
that for sure, absolutely, and
so when it got to the point where

643
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.599
I realized how much I was being
used, I backed off. The dudes

644
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.360
are huge too, I mean there's
a lot of respect and like somebody who

645
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.639
has that kind of dedication, like
the body building and all that stuff like

646
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.639
that, they're they're fucking beast man
and they they're there. I don't know

647
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.639
what how old they are now,
but they're still in shape. Oh oh,

648
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.480
and there's no doubt. I mean, Doyle's got muscles coming out of

649
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.800
his head. I mean hegantic.
The guy I've seen the guy Dial's he

650
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.239
would have been fine. He didn't
have to worry. I don't even think

651
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.559
now Chippendale. He beat every one
of those Chippendales to death. I've seen

652
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:23.000
Doyle. I have seen Doyle stomp
on people's heads and he's a big guy

653
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:27.440
to be. He's a monster.
He's a monster. But here's my point,

654
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:34.360
So there's a really big boost too. Goddamn Jerry, I'm gonna tell

655
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.719
you something that's gonna make perfect sense
to you. Okay, So you got

656
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.159
Doyle, who is his brother,
as a guitar player, and then there

657
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.760
was another brother named Kenny Kayofa who
was also part of the band. He

658
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:49.000
did some managing, and he was
also the mascot if you he'd come out

659
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.400
on stage dressed as the Crimson Ghosts
at the beginning of the show. Anyway,

660
00:51:53.840 --> 00:52:00.960
Kenny left, Doyle left, and
they both left because of their brother,

661
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.960
Jerry. What does that tell you, right? Yeah, And that's

662
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.840
your own brothers. Your own brothers
are gonna quit a band because they can't

663
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.480
tolerate being in a band with you, especially a band that has that much

664
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:19.000
recognition and that much notoriety, right
right, like that that must have really

665
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.239
been enough for them, say you
know what? Fuck this? Like Even

666
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:28.079
when I when I got into the
band, Jerry, Jerry would hog excuse

667
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.719
me, oh sorry, I hope
it in Beltium in the mic, Jerry

668
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:37.199
just loves attention like he almost didn't
know how to separate him. I'm not

669
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.719
trying to sound like a like a
pompous rock star, but he didn't know

670
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.760
how to separate himself from the fans, like we'd literally like we'd be playing

671
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.519
this big concert, big show we're
getting when we finished the show, takes

672
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:54.400
off his base. As soon as
he's done, He's out there on the

673
00:52:54.440 --> 00:53:00.360
stage of gud I'm Jerry only love
me. And then he up into the

674
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.519
audience and just start signing autographs.
He would be there for like two hours,

675
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:07.519
just sign and shit left and right. People would buy something. Love

676
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:09.320
that though. I mean, that's
why. Don't get me wrong, I'm

677
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.760
not saying that, but I mean, don't you think you'd have a little

678
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.320
bit like kind of a little bit
of like mystique to just kind of separate

679
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.519
yourself a little bit from the audience. That's how I see it. Maybe

680
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.400
I'm wrong. You know when I
saw Dicky Barrett do this same thing,

681
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:28.760
like walk around the crowd after my
Bostones concert, and he didn't even he

682
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:30.800
didn't even like like he took his
suit off. He was wearing just a

683
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.960
T shirt and he didn't he wasn't
even facing anybody. I just happened to

684
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.000
notice who he was, and he
was he was walking among us, but

685
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.199
it wasn't like he was trying to
let everybody know who he was or that

686
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.480
he was there. I just nodded
my head because I respected his fucking privacy.

687
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.719
You know, I'm not saying that
he would have you know, I'm

688
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.519
not saying that you shouldn't interact with
the audience. It's just at every show

689
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.119
we did, like as soon as
we were done, he would jump into

690
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.039
the audience and just like hanging out
with everybody. Maybe it's just me.

691
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.880
I've never gone to see the Police
and have like Sting jump in the audience

692
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:07.639
and hang out with me. I
never went to go see Kiss and have

693
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:13.239
Paul Stanley jump in the audience and
hang out with us. I get you

694
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.840
for we always went out and signed
autographs. Don't get me wrong, but

695
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.159
he's an attention hog. And the
reason I'm not I have no problem saying

696
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:27.000
this is because this is a man
who said, after I was out of

697
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:31.719
the band, who had an interview
with Stone Cold Steve Austin. He had

698
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.719
a podcast he had Jerry on.
You know, Jerry said about me,

699
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.920
the guy here was your big brother, right, Jerry said, you know,

700
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.079
I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but
basically that I was a thorn in

701
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.599
his side, a black cloud in
his life when I was the one who

702
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:57.400
saved two international tours that they could
have cost. I can't tell you how

703
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.000
much money they lost, but I
know how much money I didn't get paid,

704
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.079
is what I could tell you,
dude. So that whole thing was

705
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.239
just for you know, doing it
to do it. You didn't even get

706
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:08.880
a conversation for any of that.
I got paid, but not what I

707
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:13.559
was supposed to. Like those guys, right as you say, the no

708
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.079
contract screws you probably, and they
insisted on having a contract, but I

709
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:22.320
never got it, so you know
I would again. Uh. After two

710
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.320
weeks being in the band, I
remember I was in Germany and I called

711
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:29.880
my girlfriend at home. I was
talking on as as like they just announced

712
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:34.679
on MTV that you're the new singer. Oh, I'm sorry that I'm I'm

713
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:39.639
the new singer who's being auditioned for
the part of lead singer. Which is

714
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:45.320
weird because before we left, Jerry
said to me, you're the new singer.

715
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.599
So after I heard this news that
was being announced on MTV, I

716
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.239
went to Jerry and I said,
listen, I got to ask you,

717
00:55:54.159 --> 00:56:00.519
am I or am I not the
new lead singer for the misfits, and

718
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.800
he's like, as far as i'm
concerned, you are the man, and

719
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.559
I'm not looking for anybody else.
As far as you're concerned, well that's

720
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.679
a little bit of a yeah,
a little bit legal easy. And I

721
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.159
was like okay. I was like, okay, if that's the way it

722
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.119
is, that you're the leader of
the band and you're gonna make the shot,

723
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:21.760
call the shots, then okay,
I believe you. But as time

724
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.800
went by, little by little,
that brotherly love began to separate from me,

725
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:32.840
and I was finding myself alone and
they didn't involve me in the band

726
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:38.920
meetings. I wasn't allowed to go
in the band meetings. I wasn't given

727
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:45.360
any knowledge on certain things, Like
I can't tell you how alone I felt

728
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.760
on tour with these guys. That's
such a horrible thing. And when they

729
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:52.280
had like a presser, like did
they do pressures where they had everybody sitting

730
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.480
at a table? You weren't there
when we did it. When whenever we

731
00:56:55.599 --> 00:57:00.679
do an interview, we'd have to
get a dressed up up in the whole

732
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:07.280
outfit, makeup and all. And
he would they I watched him do interviews,

733
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.840
Jerry, that is, he would
take the mic, and he would

734
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:17.000
not stop talking like the interviewer.
I think an interviewer asked him like five

735
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:22.000
or six questions and that was it. He just kept going on and on

736
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.280
and on and on and on,
and he'd go from one subject to the

737
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:28.960
next. He just wouldn't stop.
He is an attention hog. Well,

738
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:34.800
his name is Jerry Only. Because
Jerry Only, Jerry Only. That's why

739
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.000
a lot of the fans call you
know, they call it the Jerry Only

740
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.920
band. Now you know when he
plays the Misfits on his own And I

741
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.280
can tell you this too. Since
they have reunited, I don't think that

742
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:51.239
they're riding on the same tour bus
or staying in the same hotel with Glenn.

743
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:53.280
Glen's still doing it like the guy
I know, like was like twenty

744
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:55.639
sixteen or something like that. Yeah, of course, of course that's what

745
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.559
it's what it's about. Glenn Danzig
told me personally, And this is why

746
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.760
I got so upset. He told
me personally, Mike, I will never

747
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.639
do a reunion show with the Misfits. A because he don't need it and

748
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.239
B because he doesn't like them.
The only reason they're doing it is because

749
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.800
and I'm not going to even say
how much they're making because I know.

750
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:22.679
But let me ask you this.
Let's let's talk about a more positive story

751
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:28.039
about Glenn and what he also said
to you when you heard this, and

752
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:32.239
he's like, that guy, that's
that's the guy, that's the guy who

753
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:38.280
should have been replacing me, basically
the bass player of Danzig. His name

754
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:45.320
is Steve Zing, and I've known
Steve since he was in sam Hayne prior

755
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:51.199
to Danzig, and one night I
ran into him at a club in New

756
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:52.880
Jersey and I'm like, ky,
Steve, you know how you doing.

757
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.400
How's things going? And we start
talking. He's like, he you know,

758
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.679
Mike, I want to tell you
something. Glenn and I were looking

759
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:05.039
at videos of you having performed with
the band, and he goes, I

760
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.519
gotta tell you. Glenn said you
were the one that should have been the

761
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:13.519
lead singer for the band, and
that I took that to heart. That

762
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:19.079
was such a great That was such
a great feeling to know that one of

763
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.239
my idols was saying that I was
good. And to this day, I

764
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:28.199
love Glenn. I love Glenn Danzing. I'm a little disupset with the fact

765
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:30.719
that he went and did the reunion
when he said he wasn't. But you

766
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.800
know, hey, whatever, I'm
happy for them. They're doing good.

767
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.840
Good for them, Good for them, I really am. I'm happy for

768
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:42.800
them. I'm glad to see that
they got what they've gotten. But at

769
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:47.039
the same time, I'll just leave
it at that. You know, there's

770
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:50.960
no pension or four one K for
a rock band, so if they have

771
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.960
the potential to do something, they
may as well, right, especially if

772
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:57.559
they have families and stuff like that. So yeah, I can understand that

773
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.679
from that perspective, And it is
like a lot of will get lost in

774
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:02.199
the idea that it's also a business
because it's what you do for a life,

775
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:05.599
you know, it's not something that
you do and then you also have

776
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.519
something else. You're not independently wealthy
aside from it. So and I can

777
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:13.280
only imagine what the merchandising is and
who got screwed weare on that stuff too,

778
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.679
because there is merchandising for Misfits is
absolutely out of the control. Yeah,

779
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.119
it's like Kiss, It's like Kiss
merchandise. It's like once Jerry took

780
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:25.760
over the band. I have said
it all my life day the Misfits,

781
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:32.199
the new Misfits, is like the
punk rock version of kiss You're pretty good

782
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:38.079
over here? Were you going to
say something? No, no, no,

783
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:42.639
no no. I guess you were
just in amazement when I saw you,

784
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:52.440
were like, keep smoking, that'll
stop you from coughing. And I

785
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.639
noticed, I noticed you have at
least one one cat and there the thumbnail

786
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.360
that I did it was actually of
you holding a cat. One of one

787
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.360
of the pictures that I grabbed with
you that the cowboy hat on. Was

788
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.760
he holding a gray It looked like
a Russian Russian blue. I think,

789
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.840
oh, that's roly Poly, the
big fat one. Yeah, yeah,

790
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:13.320
what a cat. What a cat? I missed him so much. He

791
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:15.159
was. I called him the rock
and roll cat. When I had my

792
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.199
art studio in New Jersey, if
we had to do a photo session or

793
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:22.599
anything, you know, with the
band in the studio, the cat was

794
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:28.000
always there. Love. I missed
that cat so much. He was adored

795
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.400
by everybody. Fattest cat I ever
had lived to be. How old was

796
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:37.159
he? Nineteen years old, had
never been to a vet once in his

797
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.360
whole life. That's probably the reason
why it lasted so long. I didn't

798
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.159
have shots of poison in it.
Yeah, he was. He was a

799
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:47.119
great cat. I miss him.
But the cats I have now that the

800
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:52.199
one you saw before, the black
one, that's Puma. His sister is

801
01:01:52.320 --> 01:02:00.400
a little miss Cricket, and she's
actually they were born with a disease that

802
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:06.679
was nearly fatal to them. Long
story short, she doesn't have the cat

803
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.480
like jumping abilities like a normal cat
would, so I have to pick her

804
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:15.119
up and put her down to,
you know, if she wants to go

805
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.840
somewhere. But she's a loving,
adorable cat, although they are both very

806
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:23.559
pissed off right now because I've got
a new kitten, and the kitten's name

807
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:30.960
is Booger. I also have three
birds too, I have and by the

808
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.360
way, all my pets are adopted. I have a blue and gold macaw,

809
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:40.320
which is going to be twenty nine
in September. You don't say at

810
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:44.320
all so far? Yeah, right, you always said whenever I'm doing the

811
01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:47.519
Michael Deacon program, you'll hear it. But they're quiet now. I think

812
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.199
they're taking a nap. But yeah, the blue and gold macall who has

813
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.039
plucked out all his front feathers and
back feathers. But that's how I got

814
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:59.639
him. He was neglected, you
know. He didn't have the love that

815
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:05.559
something. Yeah. So then I
have a parakeet, a male parakeet that

816
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:09.599
has a big tumor on its wing
the size of its head, but he's

817
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:15.320
doing it right. And then I
have a cockatil who adopted from an older

818
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:19.360
woman who couldn't take care of it
anymore. That bird is twenty one years

819
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.079
old. And then to my right
here maybe on your left, depending on

820
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:27.800
the screen, Am I right?
I have a ball python? Oh cool,

821
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:34.119
very nice? How eld uh?
Someone stole that snake for me.

822
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:42.280
They stole it and gave it to
me in two thousand and seven. But

823
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.360
if it makes me feel better,
somebody's familiar and they were gonna kill it

824
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:52.480
anyway, so he's saved it.
Go So yeah, I and now I

825
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:58.000
live in the woods, so I'm
always out with the deal. I have

826
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:02.239
chipmunks that eat right out of my
hand. That's cool. I had two

827
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:06.280
of them, in fact, one
from this yard and one from the other

828
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:12.760
yard. I have hummingbirds. I
can stand there holding the feeder and they

829
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.400
literally come up right to the feet
a while I'm holding it. I've got

830
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.800
pictures of me holding my hand out
like that with seed in it, with

831
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:25.360
a little black cap chicky that lands
on my hand and starts picking the seed

832
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:30.079
at So I am immersed in wildlife
out here, and I love it.

833
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.800
I love animals more than anything.
Although I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan,

834
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.840
I love animals and I do the
best I can. And this is

835
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:42.400
why it's so interesting when people have
preconceived notions of Satanism and all this other

836
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.440
stuff like oh, these people are
other mind. It's like this guy is

837
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:48.480
Aspinura for Christ's sake, you know, when he comes home and goes,

838
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:54.880
oh, but you know, you
know, Daniel, you're not wrong,

839
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.000
right. As I said, a
lot of the younger people that get into

840
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:04.480
it get into it purely because they
think it's cool, without really like really

841
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:11.679
researching and finding out what Satanism can
be for you. Then you're just going

842
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:15.360
by like yeah, man, hail
satan. It's not like that. So

843
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.519
I have one of one of my
UH viewers here, he says, okay,

844
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:24.360
so Satanists have the bad reputation much
like there's bad Drunks, and Mike

845
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:29.719
sounds like a good Satanist, like
like there's good Drunks. Is that a

846
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.599
decent Yeah? Yeah, I guess
you could say that. I mean,

847
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.280
you know, I'm not going to
brag about myself. I just try to

848
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:39.920
do the right thing in life.
I'm older now, you know when I

849
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.840
was younger. You know, like
anybody, we make mistakes, you know,

850
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.559
but you learn from the hopefully you
learn from those mistakes. And now

851
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.079
I'm kind of person that'll actually learn
from a mistake rather right in that way.

852
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:54.719
And and you know when when you
if you pick up like a Slayer

853
01:05:54.840 --> 01:06:01.079
album, which is filled with you
know, symbolism of Satanism, do you

854
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:05.280
immediately get the notion that, you
know, it's just a cool thing,

855
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:09.199
the in thing to do for heavy
metal. And the funny thing about Slayer

856
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.719
is the lead singer, I can't
remember his name, but his father is

857
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:15.199
like a preacher. Yeah, that's
what I had heard, that they come

858
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:18.920
from buried about families. He does, I know he does. I don't

859
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:23.719
know about the rest of them.
There's a lot of those paradoxes where there's

860
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:26.639
people who are either in the you
know, have family member there are a

861
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:30.440
clergy or their military intelligence and just
happened to be in bands. You know.

862
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:36.760
It's just a lot of that going
on. So there was another thing

863
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:42.519
I wanted to bring up Mike and
that's well also, just so you know,

864
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.119
the reason why I brought to cath
thing and then it stuck in my

865
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:51.039
mind is I have two black cats
right now myself, and we've probably rescued

866
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:56.239
and re homed ten or twelve of
them because we had a neighbor that was

867
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.920
hoarding and then they got kicked out, so then we had them, and

868
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.280
then there was babies being had,
so we kept them, you know,

869
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.679
brought them up a little bit,
and then rehome them. We get we

870
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:10.840
get updates from people because they were
like in the military, like, oh,

871
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.559
this is one of our cats in
Hawaii and he's doing fine, you

872
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.039
know. So it's pretty cool to
see all that, and it's always sad

873
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.760
to see them go. But it's
like having a lot of cats in your

874
01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:23.239
home is not the easiest thing to
keep up with at all. So but

875
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:27.719
yeah, I absolutely love our animals
for sure. And uh so, yeah,

876
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.199
I understand that. I get the
feeling. And then man, when

877
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:33.440
they know like when you're down,
if you got something bothering you, if

878
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:39.079
you feel like like when like when
my family goes out and says, hey,

879
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.199
we're going this way, like they
didn't invite me because that happened.

880
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:44.440
Sometimes my pat like jumped on me
and like wants to snuggle. It's like,

881
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.599
oh, so here's the affection that
I'm getting because they look fuckers just

882
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:54.760
left. So it's it's pretty cool. Like I've got two really nice cats.

883
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.119
And they treat my daughter well too, Like they follow her around.

884
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.239
She's seven. They follow her around
and whatever she is outside, like they'll

885
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.119
be right there. They're they're like
always watching her. It's so so cool.

886
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:06.960
That's that's how my my girl cat, Cricket is. I can.

887
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.719
She's the only one i'll let out, and I have a porch, so

888
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:15.960
sometimes I'll take the birds out and
the birds will hang out with me and

889
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:18.399
I'll have my cat out and she
stays right by me. When I call

890
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:23.720
her, she comes, which is
really amazing because every cat I've ever had,

891
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.359
it's just like, you know,
I'm like here, kitty, kitty,

892
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:29.039
and they're like, yeah, fuck
you. You know, they got

893
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.159
a mind of their own. They
can't roll their eyes, but but their

894
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:36.439
emotions say that they're rolling. Yeah. Cricket is amazing. She's such a

895
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:41.640
good girl. And as I said, she follows me around. She sleeps

896
01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:45.640
with me every night. Even if
I'm like taking a nap or something on

897
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:47.479
the on the couch, She'll come
up and lay next to me. So

898
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:50.840
I adore that, you know,
I really do. I wish I could

899
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:56.520
have a dog, but I'm a
late sleeper, so I don't. I'm

900
01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:00.880
not up early enough to take a
dog out, so I think I probably

901
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.600
And I grew up with dogs all
my life when I still lived at home,

902
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:06.840
but you know, living on my
own, it's just easier to have

903
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.239
cats. I think it's funny.
I don't know if you experienced this,

904
01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:15.000
but I can't. Nobody in the
house really but can sit down because if

905
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:16.760
we do, the moment they do, there's an animal on them. You

906
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:19.039
have to just expect it. If
you're gonna sit down, there's gonna be

907
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:26.359
an animal on your lap in like
seconds. What I admire Mia is what

908
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.439
I admire Mic is that you take
in the ones that are not going to

909
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:34.000
be adopted, that are not going
to readily be adopted. It's extremely admirable

910
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:39.359
because that's very hard to the patience
and all that other stuff that goes into

911
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:42.399
it, and taking care of an
animal that is not able to take care

912
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:45.159
of themselves. So as a matter
of fact, Lisa, I have a

913
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:53.199
cousin, in fact, one of
the very the cousin on my father's side.

914
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:57.119
His name is Anthony, and nick
yell right over there. Yeah,

915
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:02.600
I was reading the chat. Yeah, my cousin Anthony. He's the one

916
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:10.520
who got me into punk rock when
I was about fourteen thirteen and he now

917
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:14.000
he was in a band himself.
So so I learned a lot from him.

918
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:20.399
But he now is in Uh.
He does this thing where he adopts

919
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:27.319
animals that are you know, going
to be put down or are old and

920
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:34.159
nobody wants and I mean it's really
it's a great thing. It's it's I

921
01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:39.880
can't commend him enough for cats and
dogs. You know, dogs will like

922
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:45.039
want you know, missing a leg
or blind or death or whatever, and

923
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.319
he takes them in and that he's
kind of like fourteen dogs at home.

924
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:54.279
Yeah, And I can't do it. I'm just one person. I have

925
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:58.680
nobody in my life, like an
old girlfriend or wife or even friends around

926
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:01.039
here. The only I have which
are my neighbors. They're all in like

927
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:04.640
their seventies and stuff. I don't
have any friends out here, so it's

928
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:09.680
just me. And like even getting
this kitten. As I said, I

929
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:14.640
never had a kitten before. It's
always been adult cats. So if I

930
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.439
have to leave to go out for
somewhere, like if I have to work

931
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:23.039
for like a day, I have
no one to take care of my animals.

932
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:26.359
So it's hard. That's one of
the reasons I don't go on tour

933
01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:30.840
anymore. I don't want music.
It's one of the reasons that I don't

934
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:36.439
go out places because I have nobody
really to take care of my animals,

935
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.359
and that's hard to find somebody that
actually you trust and that's going to do

936
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:44.880
a good job. I actually not
to share quick story, but I was

937
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.880
doing a stint on the oncology department
at a ved school and I ran into

938
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.960
a woman that she had no children, but she had this huge pension,

939
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:57.000
and so she would go to shelters
and adopt out the oldest dogs because those

940
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:00.399
are the ones that would never and
then she would pay for them bring them

941
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:01.720
in for therapy or whatever. And
that's how I met her, and I

942
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.760
started dog sitting for her whenever she
had to go out. But she was

943
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:09.439
saying how difficult it was to find
somebody, especially with the needs of these

944
01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:13.479
animals, because she was adopting the
old ones that were diseased and had problems.

945
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.560
Right. So yeah, yeah,
that's a very noble thing and I

946
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.920
really commend people that can do that. I wish I could, but as

947
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:24.279
I said, it's just me and
yeah, I don't have the room for

948
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.079
it. I certainly don't have the
money for it. And you know,

949
01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:31.960
when you're doing everything on your own, it's not easy. So I was,

950
01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:36.520
like I said before, I was
at my capacity with animals before I

951
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:40.640
got this kitten. But when my
neighbor came up to me, he's like,

952
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:42.960
yeah, I got this cat.
And I'm like, well, look,

953
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.439
I'm not going to get a promisees
and he promises to you, but

954
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.640
let me see the cat and I'll
see what I can do. I see

955
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.239
the cat, it jumps in my
arms. I'm like, oh man,

956
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:57.439
done, I got another cat.
And that's how that's. You know,

957
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:02.399
the somebody who was the best part
of the Misfits after Glenn shouldn't be the

958
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.319
one who's right now saying that they
have issues with money. It sucks.

959
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:12.880
It sucks that this is how the
world works. Right Yep. I will

960
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:18.159
not deny that. But as I
said before, I and I'm not trying

961
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:25.479
to, you know, boast about
myself, but I saved two international tours

962
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:30.319
for them on two separate continents that
could have been easily been canceled and noe

963
01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:36.199
at the time in nineteen ninety eight, they were the biggest concerts the band

964
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:41.760
had ever played in their entire career, and I was part of it.

965
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.640
That's the I mean again, like
I don't know what you're following, was

966
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.439
for the Empire Hideous, But that
had to be a little bit of daunting

967
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:54.600
too, just to have that massive
amount of energy in the same room and

968
01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:59.079
they're all looking at you. Yeah, in five months, I sang to

969
01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:03.760
about one hundred thous some people.
Oh that's awesome, It's crazy. And

970
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:08.920
you know, not only were the
biggest shows that I ever played, but

971
01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:13.760
they were the biggest shows they had
ever played in their career up to that

972
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.039
point in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, and that that interesting and kind of

973
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:24.079
unique way of the deep like kind
of like echoing voice that Glenn has that

974
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:30.039
was like perfect like matching for what
how you sang in the Empire, you

975
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:32.279
know, I mean, the Empire
Hideous. It went well with the songs,

976
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:35.680
like it went very well with how
you know you already had trained your

977
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:39.119
voice to do this, and people
don't get that, like you have to

978
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:42.560
do all different types of trait.
Now, No, no, you're okay,

979
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.399
You're I understand what you're saying.
Okay, but you're not on the

980
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:50.600
right track. What happened here?
Tell me so in a nutshell. When

981
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:56.680
I did Empire Hideous, whenever we
did music, I would tend to write

982
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.680
very long songs, anywhere from five
sometimes in one case, like twelve minutes

983
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:04.399
long. Those are some of the
anthem like songs that I would write,

984
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:13.920
and they were sung. I would
sing those songs. I went through some

985
01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:27.199
vocal training in nineteen ninety one and
nineteen ninety four, and when I finally

986
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.880
got into the Misfits, I had
a professional guy, guy named Don Lawrence,

987
01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:38.439
who taught everybody from Sebastian Bach,
Joey Ramone, I even want to

988
01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:42.199
say, Bruce Springsteen how to vocally, you know, sing vocally without hurt

989
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.960
in your throat. So when I
got into the Misfits, if you know

990
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:50.640
anything about their concerts, which are
one hour long, they would do thirty

991
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:56.279
songs in one hour, and mind
you, yeah, they're like two minutes

992
01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:59.359
long. But nevertheless, when you
do a two minute song, it's like,

993
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:04.119
well do four, Thank you too, Defour, It's like it's non

994
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.119
stop. It was like it was
like a Ramones concert, which is the

995
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:12.479
same way. So I wasn't used
to that. I really wasn't. So

996
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:16.119
I had to mind you. I
had broken up my band Empire Hideous in

997
01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:23.479
February of ninety eight. I hadn't
sang for the February March April May.

998
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:27.399
I hadn't sang for three months.
Then I get the gig with the Misfits.

999
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:30.840
Now I did the audition, and
it's not like I had forgotten to

1000
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:38.560
sing, but I wasn't used to
the velocity and the speed that I would

1001
01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:42.359
be singing at. So you know, I come from one band where I'm

1002
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:48.359
actually singing songs to a band where
I'm pushing myself so hard. And I

1003
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:51.399
mean you, I mean you should
have mine came off stage. I was

1004
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:57.479
drenched in sweat. I must have
lost like ten pounds and sweat while I

1005
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.720
was on stage. And mind you, when I at the time I came

1006
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:04.720
over that first tour, I was
a rock I was in perfect physical condition.

1007
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:11.399
But at the same time they would
tell me stories about how when Glenn

1008
01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:15.239
would sing, he'd get like he'd
get so hot somebody he'd literally pass out

1009
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:19.479
or throw up on stage and they
would just pick him up and he'd get

1010
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:24.840
back into it. What I'm saying
is this, I had problems because I

1011
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:30.520
wasn't used to it. So after
the I believe it was the seventh gig

1012
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:34.079
we had, maybe the eighth gig
we had played, I began to lose

1013
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:41.600
my voice because I wasn't used to
it. So I began to crack,

1014
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:46.319
you know, when I was when
I was singing. So Jerry started trying

1015
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:51.840
to teach me how to do vocal
warmups, which are they have to be

1016
01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:59.640
done specifically to the person based on
the range that that person can sing.

1017
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:04.319
So when I finally met Don Lawrence, the vocal trainer, he told me,

1018
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:08.479
he's like, Jerry put you up
to this. He's been letting you

1019
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:13.640
use the tape to do your vocal
warm ups that I made for him.

1020
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:16.000
And I'm like yeah, He's like
no, he's like that's bad that.

1021
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:19.640
He said, You're lucky it didn't
blow your voice out. So he started

1022
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:25.560
a whole thing completely separate just for
me. And then what he would do

1023
01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.800
he's like, he's like, okay. He would record it on a cassette.

1024
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:30.720
Then he'd give me, give me
the tape, and then I would

1025
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.960
play this is when we had Walkman, this BAC then uh, and then

1026
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:38.039
I would put it in my Walkman
and then I would put the headphones on

1027
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:41.520
and rehearse to it and warm up
to it. And it was basically it

1028
01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:46.119
was like a twenty twenty five minute
warm up doing scales lee ly ly le

1029
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:50.960
le le le le Lee, so
on and so forth. So yeah,

1030
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:55.159
Jerry, Jerry was trying to help, but he was only making things worse

1031
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:59.439
for me. Yeah. Yeah,
it has to be tailored to the particular

1032
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:04.720
person. And there the ranges are, I guess. Yeah, So we

1033
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:08.720
need to talk about this one last
thing if you don't mind, if you

1034
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.760
have time, why while you're doing
that, I gotta I'm having an allergy

1035
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:15.399
attack. I gotta take my nasels. Oh yeah, for sure. So

1036
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.199
if anybody else has anything else to
say, and any of the topics we

1037
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:24.039
discussed first before I asked this,
it was simply because I've been on the

1038
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:29.600
Michael Deacon program a couple of times, and every time I was thinking my

1039
01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:33.119
hideous was going to be there to
make it, and I was like,

1040
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:38.079
do you guys, you guys,
You're dynamic is just amazing. It's hilarious.

1041
01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:43.880
It's fun if it's it's energetic,
you guys. You know, Michael

1042
01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:46.439
knows how to like rip on people
without making their feelings hurt. You know,

1043
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:49.039
it's kind of it's kind of funny. It's it's just it's just a

1044
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:53.960
really good dynamic. So how did
you guys like you like meet the first

1045
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:57.079
time? And I mean you're you're
you're almost you're almost a co host.

1046
01:19:57.119 --> 01:20:00.239
I mean you're basically there like a
lot, right, So I I'm the

1047
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:03.680
co host when he's not doing an
interview. Yeah, exactly. I'll tell

1048
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:09.079
you how we met. In two
thousand and eight, Michael contacted me to

1049
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:14.439
interview me for his show. He
was doing a different show at the time.

1050
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.640
What a different host or co host
I should say? And they did.

1051
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:24.640
We did the interview, and from
that point on, every once in

1052
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.079
a while, like i'd get a
call from Michael leave a message on my

1053
01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:30.680
machine. Hey Mike, it's Michael
Deacon. I just want to say Merry

1054
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:34.000
Christmas to you. Oh that's awesome. Hey Mike, it's Michael Deacon,

1055
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:36.880
I just want to say happy Easter
to you. So he you know,

1056
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:41.119
I was like, Wow, what
a nice guy. And I did like

1057
01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:44.680
maybe eight or ten other interviews with
him afterwards, maybe even more, I

1058
01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:51.000
don't remember, let's count. And
then in twenty when the hell was it

1059
01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:57.600
twenty I believe it was twenty seventeen
when he said to me, he goes,

1060
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:02.199
I got an idea if I mind
you. He was still with his

1061
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:06.760
partner at the time. He said, would you be interested in doing a

1062
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:10.640
show with me? I was like
absolutely, said I've always wanted to do

1063
01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.119
a podcast, but I just don't. I don't know how to do it,

1064
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:21.479
and I'm not technically inclined. So
he basically set it up. We

1065
01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:26.199
tried it out a couple of times, but then there was a long pause,

1066
01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:30.800
and then of course the chinavirus hit
and that was in everything. So

1067
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:36.960
in twenty twenty we did a couple
of shows, and then again he waited

1068
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:40.640
a little bit, and that's when
people started asking, Hey, when's Mike

1069
01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:44.239
coming back on? Michael Mike hideous, and Michael contacted me. He's like,

1070
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:46.319
all right, now it's working,
Let's go full forward to it,

1071
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:50.479
and we started doing more shows together
as him the host and me the co

1072
01:21:50.640 --> 01:22:01.199
host and pardon it. Basically it
started out where we had to learn each

1073
01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:08.720
other and how you know, how
to feed off each other and basically perform.

1074
01:22:10.199 --> 01:22:14.239
First, let me say, Michael
has one of the best vocal vocal

1075
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:19.279
voice for us speaking that I've ever
heard. He's got golden vocal voice and

1076
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:25.640
he's going to get to a higher
level at some point. But it took

1077
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:30.359
a little while, but eventually we
started to really mesh together well. And

1078
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:34.279
now we're at the point where I
can make him laugh, and that's now

1079
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:38.279
I know we're doing a good show
because for the longest time, I could

1080
01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:41.399
never I never heard him laugh.
He would never laugh. But he told

1081
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:43.520
me secret He's like, yeah,
he goes, I laugh. I just

1082
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:48.600
hit the mute button. So yeah, I love doing the show with Michael.

1083
01:22:49.039 --> 01:23:03.159
Yeah. Like the amazing that you're
constant references back to Jelly Roll made

1084
01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:09.960
me laugh so much. My god, oh that poor guy. You guys

1085
01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:13.920
know who the country music singer jelly
Roll is. He's like CMC, like

1086
01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:16.720
superstar, but he's like a million, like enormous, and he's got this

1087
01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:24.119
really hot like stripper wife. Yep, her name's Bunny, I think,

1088
01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:26.720
or something like that. Right,
that's right. But why do I know

1089
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.359
this? Yeah? Why do you
know this? Said? I know it

1090
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:32.640
too. That's sad anyway, Yeah, he basically Lisa. He's a he's

1091
01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:39.159
a country western singer, big guy. But this is a guy who's now

1092
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:43.640
incorporated country music with a rap and
I can't stand rap, so anything that

1093
01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:47.359
is associated with rap music and I'm
not a big fan of country. So

1094
01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:53.720
that's two strikes right there. But
you know, the guy's well overweight.

1095
01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:58.119
And let me just go out and
put it out here. I have nothing

1096
01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:02.359
against people who are are fat,
but I do have an issue when people

1097
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:06.079
say it's okay to be fat,
because it's not. It's very bad for

1098
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:15.319
your health and you can die from
it. So when I talk about people

1099
01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:19.039
that are overweight and obese, I'm
stimp In fact, Michael too, We're

1100
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:27.000
simply pointing out the fact that you're
making things worse for yourself. You know,

1101
01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.239
I heard he's losing weight. By
the way. I'm sure he got

1102
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:32.479
stable. I don't think he did
it because of his you know, his

1103
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:36.600
will or his determination or his you
know. On the contrary, on the

1104
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:41.840
contrary, there were people In fact, he ended up closing down I think

1105
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.600
it was his Instagram or whatever the
hell it was, because too many people

1106
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:48.199
were telling him, you need to
lose weight, so he took great offense

1107
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:50.640
to that for whatever reason. I
don't know why. People are just trying

1108
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:58.279
to make you a better person by
losing the all that fat. And now,

1109
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:00.720
from what I understand, he's losing
weight. So good for him,

1110
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:03.560
and I hope he stays with it, not surgically then, because I don't

1111
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.600
know. You might be right on
that, but I do know he's doing

1112
01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:12.199
it because he now realizes how bad
it is for him. Yeah, a

1113
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:15.319
lot of a lot of times,
I'm very, very overwhelming. It's it's

1114
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:20.720
hard to like then try to apply
some kind of self discipline. Of course,

1115
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:25.560
it's easy to lose weight, all
right now it's not and it's uh,

1116
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:32.479
it's it's pretty it's pretty sick.
How badly there is there's there's operations

1117
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:35.760
can screw you up to like they're
really bad like that they're going more for

1118
01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:39.960
the look than they are for the
health, because it's not good for you.

1119
01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:45.640
Be that as it may. I'm
sick and tired of hearing the people

1120
01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:47.720
that are like, oh, stop
fat shaming and oh, you know,

1121
01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:53.039
love yourself, your bodies, about
your body. So when I see these

1122
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:58.159
big, gigantic, obese, over
overweight people saying that it's okay and that

1123
01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:03.039
you know, love yourself, you
are beautiful, I'm sorry, but that's

1124
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:06.119
just not right, okay, And
I'm I'm glad we got into this type

1125
01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:12.079
of topic too, because another thing
that Michael Deacon points out to you not

1126
01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:15.319
just that you're too nice to be
a Satanist, but also that you're you

1127
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:20.319
have a lot of conservative views that
that that he says are kind of like,

1128
01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:25.279
you know, paradoxical because of you
know, a more different, a

1129
01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:30.359
different type of outlook as you may
have had prior to that China virus.

1130
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.720
And seeing how the world has kind
of revealed itself to you, you know

1131
01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:38.199
and everybody else, they didn't they
kind of let the curtain drop on that

1132
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:43.039
one. Yeah, well, you
know, I just try to do the

1133
01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:46.560
right thing. And and Michael,
I don't know if you've ever known this

1134
01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:51.479
or about me or not, but
I was a politically correct liberal Democrat for

1135
01:26:51.640 --> 01:27:02.800
almost thirty years and that all changed
when King who you saying, Obama came

1136
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:09.279
into our system and began to screw
up everything that was going pretty much.

1137
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:14.000
Okay. He's the one who brought
up the whole race thing stating that,

1138
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:16.960
you know, white people are racist
by DNA. I take great offense to

1139
01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:25.279
that me too, okay, And
so I immediately stopped being a Democrat.

1140
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:30.439
Mind you, I'm not a Republican
either, I'm an independent. Nevertheless,

1141
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:35.159
nevertheless, I have learned now.
I don't know if any of you are

1142
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:40.319
Democrats. I don't know if any
of you are Republicans, but I will

1143
01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:45.640
say this, I will never ever
go back to the Democratic Party because what

1144
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:49.199
I have learned. I read a
lot about politics these days, and I

1145
01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:56.520
have read some things that have blown
my mind. And the reason I voted

1146
01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.960
for Trump, and I have no
qualm saying that I voted for him,

1147
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:05.399
the reason I and seventy million people
voted for him is because he is not

1148
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:12.439
a scumbag, corrupt politician. He's
a man, even though he's a billionaire.

1149
01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:17.279
He's a man who understands people like
you and me, whether you like

1150
01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:23.439
him or not. He got the
job done, and it was because he

1151
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:30.520
doesn't get paid off and corrupted like
these other politicians do and will be and

1152
01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:35.520
have been. He's a man that
wants to make this country good for the

1153
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:41.920
people that are in it, not
this fucking woke bullshit that they're shoving down

1154
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:47.600
our throat and the media that doesn't
tell the truth and gives us their narrative.

1155
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:50.760
I'm done with that, done with
the media. I'm done with the

1156
01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:57.920
politicians no more. I am frustrated. I love this country. I love

1157
01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:01.399
this country, and I'm not see
how I'm a man who can say I'm

1158
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:08.119
for capital punishment and I'm for abortion
at the same time. But then you

1159
01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:12.760
know, on the right you have
people who are for I'm for capital punishment

1160
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:20.319
for abortion. It's this weird you've
got. On the left, you got

1161
01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:24.039
people who are into killing babies.
On the right, you got people who

1162
01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:31.039
are into killing prisoners. I'm for
both, but the Democrats were trying to

1163
01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:38.159
make it so that you can have
an abortion even after the child is born.

1164
01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:45.319
That's murder, that straight up.
So I'm sorry, but I'm for

1165
01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:47.600
abortion, but it needs to be
done in the first few months, not

1166
01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:53.840
at the third trimster, not after
the child is born. And as far

1167
01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:59.720
as capital punishment, you kill a
person, you die, That's my look

1168
01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:04.039
on it. As long as all
the evidence is undeniable provided the system is

1169
01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:10.960
not corrupt. And look what's happened
to this country in just three and a

1170
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:15.720
half fucking years. Yeah, and
you know what, I voted twice for

1171
01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:17.520
the same person you said, you
know, Trump, But I also,

1172
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:23.159
you know, have to weigh in
the whole warp speed. Still talking about

1173
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:26.960
the vaccine now, saying that it's
curing cancer, which is a fucking bullshit

1174
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:31.239
lie. He's murdered millions of people
with his lies. And he also was

1175
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:40.159
crowned king ship by the by the
by the Israel by Israel's. It's like

1176
01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:43.479
windex are robotest in the vaccine,
it just cures it. All. Oh

1177
01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:45.359
yeah, of course, right,
drink bleach. All right, there you

1178
01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:53.319
go. And he and he just
recently said that if you are and this

1179
01:30:53.479 --> 01:30:58.079
is a loaded, loaded fucking label
to put on somebody, if you are

1180
01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:00.479
guilty of anti Semitism, which is
whatever they decide it's going to be at

1181
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:04.760
that moment who said this that it
was he had to bring back the death

1182
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:10.199
penalty, who said death pety Trump
said this in one of his rallies recently.

1183
01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:15.199
So he's basically threatening murder if you
speak ill, if you say,

1184
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:18.039
I don't want you to genocide babies
in Palestine. Well, when he gets

1185
01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:23.760
in, you might be killed for
that. That's that's that's that's my problem

1186
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:28.279
with him, you know. I
mean I've I supported him in the past.

1187
01:31:28.359 --> 01:31:30.279
I voted him twice. But what
I've seen from him lately is that

1188
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:36.000
he is either I mean his his
mother was Scottish, but she was also

1189
01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:39.399
Jewish. I mean, there's there
might be some kind of loyalty there that

1190
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:44.119
we're not recognizing. His daughter.
His daughter is married to you know who,

1191
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:46.840
So there's all that going on,
and she he's all wrapped up in

1192
01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:50.520
the Saudi stuff too, because of
what was it six sixty six for Fifth

1193
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:55.880
Avenue or something like that, whatever
that building was. So there's all kinds

1194
01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.880
of birdness going on. And I
don't know about the comment you made about

1195
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:03.399
killing people. I you know,
sometimes think he says things that people might

1196
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:10.840
take out a context or I find
it. But you know what, anything's

1197
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:15.760
better than the babbling idiot that we
have in the White House right now,

1198
01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:18.760
right as long as the one that
they're calling an anti Semite, just with

1199
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:21.319
a simple fact that they want to
get rid of anybody who' said you know,

1200
01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:27.680
listen, you want some about anti
Semites. How does a president give

1201
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:31.960
money billions of dollars to a country
that says death to America? How does

1202
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:38.600
a president continue to give respect to
a country that has done the things that

1203
01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:43.880
they've done and give them money and
then say, oh, we're so sorry

1204
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:46.560
that your president died in a helicopter
crash. Oh so sorry? You know

1205
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:51.159
what, I hope the whole fucking
army dies in a helicopter. These people

1206
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:55.880
are aft up. Okay, you're
talking about You're talking about Iranians and the

1207
01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:58.800
Muslims, right, You're goddamn right. I am. I have a real

1208
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.439
problem with these people. So who
do you think actually took down the towers?

1209
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:04.920
Do you think it was? Do
you know that? Or do you

1210
01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:11.279
know that it was the c I
don't know. We've just had this conversation

1211
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:15.359
on the Michael Deacon program Friday and
they asked me, you know, since

1212
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:20.159
I've been doing the show with Michael, have I changed my viewpoints on it?

1213
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:27.199
And the fact of the matter is
nothing has been completely presented to me

1214
01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:32.000
to change my mind thoroughly. I
will say this, since I've been doing

1215
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:38.880
the Deacon program, I have definitely
come up with some new questions about what

1216
01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:45.640
happened. The other thing is Trump
was going to reopen the investigation on nine

1217
01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:50.880
to eleven had he been re elected. But obviously that's for four years when

1218
01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:54.560
he had the opportunity. Though,
Hey man, come on, you got

1219
01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:58.560
to give the credit. He did
so much. He did more than the

1220
01:33:58.680 --> 01:34:01.840
last four or five pore. I
agree with that. But here's the fucked

1221
01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:06.079
up thing about this. It makes
me wonder if that's for us like this

1222
01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:12.319
to keep a stupid boy like you
know, busy thinking that a certain way,

1223
01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:15.760
because it only took what a few
strokes of eos to change all that

1224
01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:18.880
when the when the next asshole came
in, it's like, yeah, it

1225
01:34:18.920 --> 01:34:21.199
didn't really matter what was going on
for four years because it was temporary.

1226
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:25.239
It gave it gave him a good
light. But then the next guy comes

1227
01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:30.319
in and like through like a dictator. He signs a couple of executive orders

1228
01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:31.800
and undoes everything. He puts us
back in the Paris Climate Agreement and all

1229
01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:34.479
this other ship. Oh yeah,
well that just goes to sugar. They

1230
01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:39.319
hate Listen, they would have voted
for ham Sandwich if it was if it

1231
01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:44.800
was against Trump, because they wanted
him out so bad. They hate this

1232
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.680
man so much. Why, I'll
tell you why. Makes a little bit

1233
01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:53.119
of it. We all know why. Because he's not part of the corrupt

1234
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:59.640
public political establishment. He's a man
who came in and he was an upstarter,

1235
01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:04.319
Did I say it right? Upstart
upstart upstart. I remember, I

1236
01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:11.079
remember being asked a million times through
emails to support his campaign, uh funded,

1237
01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.399
just so that he could go around
saying he was self self funded.

1238
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:18.640
Yeah, that was good times.
I have I have a question, Yes,

1239
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:21.960
I have a question about nine to
eleven. And I had no idea,

1240
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:27.279
so forgive me. I had no
idea that Michael Aquino had given an

1241
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:33.159
actual interview stating all of the I
guess now what the conspiracy community is talking

1242
01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:36.479
about with nine to eleven, like
meaning like it never happened and it was

1243
01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:45.279
all TV generated and the flight manifest
never contained any people from the Middle East

1244
01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:49.239
and they were all flown to I
forget the airbase that he said, what

1245
01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:53.399
what did you have? You ever
heard that interview before? I had not

1246
01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:57.479
heard it before, and it was
news to me because it was the first

1247
01:35:57.520 --> 01:36:00.000
time I had heard about a week
ago or so ago, and so yeah,

1248
01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:05.119
I just got it. Throw that
in there. Listen. When I

1249
01:36:05.199 --> 01:36:09.039
lived in Carnie, I used to
be able to see the Twin towers from

1250
01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:13.079
not only from my window, but
from the street. So when it happened,

1251
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:17.479
my my best friend Mark Steiner was
literally walking to work the day it

1252
01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:24.319
happened. He saw the plane,
he saw it hit, so living where

1253
01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:28.399
I lived, I was able to
see the towers on fire. This is

1254
01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:31.600
the first time I ever heard anybody
outside of the people watching TV say that

1255
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.560
they actually saw a plane at all
and that it wasn't just oh yeah,

1256
01:36:34.840 --> 01:36:41.239
potentially added in because they had building
they were doing and you saw it.

1257
01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:45.119
Well, one of my friends I
went to school with, you know,

1258
01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:46.600
he had no reason to make this
up. So I had me to cut

1259
01:36:46.640 --> 01:36:49.279
you off either, Mike. No, I was just I'm just surprised because

1260
01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:51.520
this is the first I've ever heard
of like the actual real people saying this

1261
01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:55.960
go go's like the top of a
building smoking a cigarette and said he legit,

1262
01:36:56.119 --> 01:37:00.000
sare did you ever see the interview
that the interview they were doing a

1263
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:05.880
documentary on the New York Fire Department
and they were on a call for apparently

1264
01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:10.720
some ghastleak at a sewer. They're
in the middle of the street and you

1265
01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:14.760
hear the fucking plane. You hear
it, and they they they pan up

1266
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:19.199
and you see the plane. Bang, You see it. There's no there's

1267
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:25.680
nothing computer generated about anything. This
is the same bullshit they're saying about with

1268
01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:30.319
the Israelis that it's fake footage.
No, the the insane lunatics that put

1269
01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:36.520
cameras on them to go in and
murder people from children to adults. They

1270
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:41.039
were boasting about it. So no, it's no. Don't understand what false

1271
01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:43.439
flag means. Like they think that
means that nothing happened. No, it

1272
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:47.760
means like it was deliberately planned and
that there's other acts going on. I

1273
01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:50.680
think that's what they usually mean.
It's like, no people die, But

1274
01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:56.439
actually it means also that they were
it was as blakes, the blame on

1275
01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:00.880
somebody else. It's like the Tonkin
all over again. And I think the

1276
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:04.920
reason that I bring up Michael Aquino
because he was the king of psychological warfare.

1277
01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:10.680
For him to give that actual interview, it's almost like implanting that that

1278
01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:13.720
idea and to the zeitgeist. And
that was my only reason bringing it up.

1279
01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:15.159
I have no skin in the game. In terms of you know,

1280
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.159
I don't I don't think. I
do think that our government was somehow,

1281
01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:25.479
you know, wanting another Pearl Harbor, but how they went about it,

1282
01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:29.560
I don't know, get us into
just killing off all of Israel's enemies.

1283
01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:32.239
But at the same time, I
just think about if, if, if

1284
01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:39.399
it's going to take killing innocent people
to do that, what does that tell

1285
01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:42.640
you about those who would be in
charge. It's like when I was when

1286
01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:45.680
I was given that thought, I'm
like, no, what now, why

1287
01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:53.000
would America the leaders of America want
to kill innocent people? Well, the

1288
01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:57.880
leaders of Israel who called leaders of
America. I was just about to say,

1289
01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:04.680
you know when when when I was
given that that alternate thought, I

1290
01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:08.000
was like, nah, I can't
that, that's why would they do that?

1291
01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:14.039
But I've learned more and more about
how ruthless things can be when,

1292
01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:17.359
especially when it comes to higher up
politics. The other thing I heard was

1293
01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:24.840
that Israel was the were involved in
doing it so that they could set up

1294
01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:32.680
a you know, America against the
Islamic jihad people. Right. But you

1295
01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.439
know, it's not to say that
those gihad people don't go around doing fucked

1296
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.479
up shit. It's just that what
when when they try to spark us into

1297
01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:43.640
something. Was that was that real
or was it memory x? You know

1298
01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:46.640
what I mean? It was definitely
real. It was definitely real, whether

1299
01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:51.119
or not it was what I mean
by that, did they did they actually

1300
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:54.239
do it or did somebody else do
it? Just because you know, they

1301
01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:57.840
may have a list of atrocities a
mile long, but they needed something to

1302
01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:00.039
happen. And I don't think they
leave anything to chance. So even if

1303
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:03.640
they antagonize an enemy to do something, I think they still make sure that

1304
01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:08.079
they have their people on the ground
to make sure that it gets carried out

1305
01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:11.159
the way that they wanted to.
Well have you have you heard the recent

1306
01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:16.359
thing that's come out about the JFK
assassination. Mm hmm, I mean the

1307
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:20.880
c I A and yeah, we're
in on it. I think I've seen

1308
01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:26.479
Jackie getting all wacky, honestly,
little Jesuit Jackie. I see her pull

1309
01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:30.880
her his head in and it's like
he's boom because it looks like an exit

1310
01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:31.960
when coming off the side of his
head. No one else says that.

1311
01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:35.039
Everybody says it's a driver and got
rubbed out. I say, Jackie,

1312
01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:42.319
just and then I don't know about
that. I disagree with that, Mike.

1313
01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:45.600
I'll have to check out the interview
that Nick did with I'm just thinking.

1314
01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:51.520
And then alternative's name already Jay's something
I know he was in. He's

1315
01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:56.199
done movies, a horror movie and
who are these people? They have a

1316
01:40:56.439 --> 01:41:00.279
my friend Rdily. He has a
podcast called Raised by Giants and he had

1317
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:04.239
j Weed Weedner or something of white. I think he's done movies. He's

1318
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:09.479
done like special effects and stuff for
horror movies. And they came on the

1319
01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:13.640
show and they were showing that they
think, in their opinion that that that

1320
01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:17.439
was like kind of like I guess, like special effects. And he faked

1321
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:21.840
getting shot Jeff k oh, Yeah, with a black pack and all that

1322
01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:27.680
stuff. I heard that the theory
was that he was dying already and so

1323
01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:30.159
he want and that he wanted out
of the situation. That was the theory

1324
01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:33.079
that they proposed. So that's that's
crazy. I don't believe that. Yeah,

1325
01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:36.439
it's it's tough to say. What's
what's about that? Can I show

1326
01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:39.319
you guys just real quick? I
just want to put this up here so

1327
01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:42.680
that no bade distincs. I'm just
talking about my, my, my,

1328
01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:45.960
my, six here, let's go
ahead and open this up here, and

1329
01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:50.399
I think I have to this evil
anti attack. Can you hear it?

1330
01:41:53.039 --> 01:42:01.119
All of us on humanity. It
will require all of us together to extract

1331
01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:11.720
the hateful poison of anti Semitism from
our world. This was an anti Semitic

1332
01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:17.880
attack at its worst. The scourge
of anti Semitism cannot be ignored, cannot

1333
01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:23.199
be tolerated, and it cannot be
allowed to continue. We can't allow with

1334
01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:31.199
you. It must be confronted and
condemned everywhere it rears its a very ugly

1335
01:42:31.359 --> 01:42:39.000
head. We must stand with our
Jewish brothers and sisters to defeat anti Semitism

1336
01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:45.199
and vanquish the forces of hate.
That's what it is. Through the century,

1337
01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:50.239
the Jews have endured terrible persecution.
And you know that we've all,

1338
01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:54.800
I mean, even the writers of
history told us that. So it must

1339
01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:58.439
be true. Well, reddit we've
studied it. They've gone through a lot,

1340
01:42:59.479 --> 01:43:14.960
and though seeking their destruction, we
will seek there this stuff and we'll

1341
01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:19.760
have crimes like this, whether it's
this one or another one or another group.

1342
01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:26.359
We have to bring back the death
penalty. They have to pay the

1343
01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:30.199
ultimate price. They have to pay
the ultimate price. They can't do this.

1344
01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:36.760
So speaking ill or having questions or
challenging the six million number, you

1345
01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:43.279
should die for that. And who
do you think he's talking about? Who's

1346
01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:46.560
he talking about? Now, I'm
asking you who do you think he's talking

1347
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:50.159
about? I think he's talking about
It's a warning to every one of us

1348
01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:56.399
not to question Israel. So you
think that if you with our free speech

1349
01:43:56.439 --> 01:44:00.359
in this country, you think that
if you spoke out in ill term about

1350
01:44:00.399 --> 01:44:03.760
Israel that you get killed? Well, anti Semitism already they passed bills right

1351
01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:10.359
now that there's that they're making a
crime. They're taking people off of the

1352
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.520
flight log I mean the flight list. You can't you can't fly if you

1353
01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:16.760
got this this moniker slapped on you, And let me ask you a question

1354
01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:19.840
for questioning. Let me ask you
a question for saying, Hey, I

1355
01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:24.039
don't think you should kill a bunch
of kids. What happens when you talk

1356
01:44:24.199 --> 01:44:30.439
ill about black people? You'd be
labeled a racist? And what happens in

1357
01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.800
some cases you can get arrested.
What happens if you talk about trans people

1358
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:39.800
or anybody who is involved in the
whole woke movement and people call you a

1359
01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:45.840
bigot or whatever. But there's also
points where you can get shut down your

1360
01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:47.359
podet. Well yeah, as far
as that, if you get canceled the

1361
01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:51.359
ship out of you, you can
get arrested. There are a lot of

1362
01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:56.039
things. Look, I'm not exactly
free speech. It sounds like you're saying,

1363
01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:00.560
I don't think it's going to be
to the point where we're going to

1364
01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:04.319
become Nazi Germany. I don't think
that your Germany was Nazi Germany. But

1365
01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:08.439
that's a for a whole other story. Well, what I'm trying to say

1366
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:15.319
here is that when tyrants take over
a country and they laid down their communist,

1367
01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:23.560
Socialist or Marxist laws, that's when
you need to us that's when you

1368
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:29.239
need to worry. Like we are
in right now. What the I firmly

1369
01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:33.319
believe that the politicians that are involved
right now in the administration are trying to

1370
01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:41.039
move a socialist Marxist agenda on the
country, telling you what cars you can

1371
01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:45.640
drive, what oven you can have, that you cannot use ceiling fans anymore.

1372
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:49.439
They want to banish cows because they
fart too much. I mean,

1373
01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:56.079
just think about that. They even
want they even out of all the cigarettes

1374
01:45:56.119 --> 01:45:59.479
that are available. They wanted to
ban men fall, which is what black

1375
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:05.359
people's constantly right. They love mental
cigarettes, So now you're gonna eliminate mental

1376
01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:11.239
cigarettes for the health purposes of black
people. What I'm trying to say is

1377
01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:15.800
that we are in a country right
now where we are being told what we

1378
01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.159
can or cannot do. I don't
know if any of you drive an electric

1379
01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:24.640
car. I'm not a communist exactly, because in the event, first and

1380
01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:28.159
foremost, you can't rely on them. Secondly, if in the event you

1381
01:46:28.439 --> 01:46:32.199
are, I don't know, you're
uh, you didn't get your your China

1382
01:46:32.279 --> 01:46:36.319
shot, your China virus shot,
and you're you're traveling from New York to

1383
01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:41.520
uh, New Jersey, and you're
gonna cross the borderline and at the toll

1384
01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:46.560
your car shuts off because they don't
want you going into New Jersey. I'm

1385
01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:50.920
just saying, they drive you to
a freaking police to lock you in the

1386
01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:57.680
car. All I'm saying is that
we are worse off now than we are

1387
01:46:58.159 --> 01:47:02.039
with Donald Trump. And and I
just think it was not the dichotomy that

1388
01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:06.479
it had to be either or it's
like this fucker or this fucker. Yeah,

1389
01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:12.359
ask me the first time. If
you ask me, I think he

1390
01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:19.199
was talking about the people who committed
the crimes that they did against the Israeli

1391
01:47:19.319 --> 01:47:24.119
people. But let me be clear, I don't think it's just for the

1392
01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:27.359
Israeli people. So you think that
was a priming for like a for like

1393
01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:31.159
a more active American presence in what's
going on over there, like to have

1394
01:47:31.279 --> 01:47:38.800
a like, I think, a
logical statement if you're going to hurt Look

1395
01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:43.920
the college student Jewish college students,
I think it was Harvard, were being

1396
01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.840
blocked by these little woke fuckers that
were standing in front of them. These

1397
01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:56.720
are college students. What involvement do
they have India Israeli God's of war.

1398
01:47:56.920 --> 01:48:02.159
Which is funny about that is that
nonetheless, yeah, Harvard, Harvard,

1399
01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:09.279
Harvard and Columbia are like the freaking
the Franklin Institute, the Frankfurt Institute in

1400
01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:13.359
America. Like it's like, these
are the most literal Communist Marxist places you

1401
01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:15.880
can be. So obviously that ship
was all staged because they wanted to make

1402
01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:18.720
a point about it, and they
had the dupes, the stupid dupes there

1403
01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:21.319
to do it. You know,
they're also coming from the richest families and

1404
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:26.279
of course, so like they never
went without I mean to know what was

1405
01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:30.760
suffering is come on, right,
yeah, empathy, empathy for something they

1406
01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:36.199
saw in I would I would not
forget the Malthusian agenda that's happening globally.

1407
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:45.760
Do you do you know which president
killed the most Americans? Yeah? Yeah,

1408
01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:49.520
and probably the drones. Right yeah, but you don't hear about that

1409
01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:51.680
on the news though, right,
you didn't know that. I think,

1410
01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:58.239
don't forget Mexico, and don't forget
Mexico with the fast and the furious and

1411
01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:01.680
all those guns. Right. So, but if Trump had done it,

1412
01:49:01.880 --> 01:49:04.199
you know, he'd be raceed,
you know, he'd be marked as a

1413
01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:11.079
racist, communist, whatever the fuck. But when our Lord and Savior King

1414
01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:17.520
Hussein did it, it was okay. Why because there was nothing like if

1415
01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:21.279
you said one thing that was against
what he wanted to do, you were

1416
01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:28.159
deemed a racist. This is the
same man who uh remember what was his

1417
01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:32.600
name, Chevron Martian, the kid
who got shot you know what I'm talking

1418
01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:44.720
about, Trevor Martin R. Chevron
Martian. He was the one that King

1419
01:49:44.800 --> 01:49:47.600
Obama said, well, this could
have been my son, this could have

1420
01:49:47.640 --> 01:49:53.720
been my son. Well, if
your son dresses like a thug and you

1421
01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:57.199
know is committing crimes. Well,
then first of all, your son's fucked

1422
01:49:57.279 --> 01:50:00.439
up and deserves what he gets.
All right. So so all I'm trying

1423
01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.279
to say, oh, no,
you're good, You're good. I just

1424
01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:06.880
I'm gonna two seconds. I'll be
right back, Okay. All I'm saying

1425
01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:15.560
is that what Trump said in that
clip he played. I I mean,

1426
01:50:15.800 --> 01:50:18.359
I'm speculating here. I'm just putting
out what I believe. I think he's

1427
01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:24.159
referring to people that are going to
cause harm to other people, whether it's

1428
01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:30.119
Jewish or someone else. But the
fact of the matter is you, Lisa,

1429
01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:33.840
you, Nick, and myself we
are Caucasians, and there's more ship

1430
01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:39.960
that goes down against our national our
ethnic background than anything else. I'm not

1431
01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:45.000
saying that I'm a racist, bigoted
person. I'm not. What I am

1432
01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:49.720
saying is that we constantly get put
down. We constantly constantly get told that

1433
01:50:49.920 --> 01:50:57.119
you know, we're wrong and racist, but that that's so illogical. White

1434
01:50:57.159 --> 01:51:02.680
people have done so much for black
community and Hispanic communities and Asian and so

1435
01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:09.880
on and so forth, Latino,
but we're told that we're racist by DNA,

1436
01:51:10.159 --> 01:51:14.800
by this this piece of ship.
President. I will say this all

1437
01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:19.960
to your point, you know,
in doing sometimes doing volunteer work, I

1438
01:51:20.199 --> 01:51:28.039
hardly see and I'm Hispanic, I
hardly see black and Hispanics doing volunteer work

1439
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:32.119
in any in any field, whether
it is humanities, whether it is cleaning

1440
01:51:32.239 --> 01:51:39.079
up a park or anything like that. I rarely see that those two ethnicities

1441
01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:42.800
are racist. Now, And I
will be honest, and you know,

1442
01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.359
I'm into wildlife, I'm into conservation. Uh it's it's it's a hard sell.

1443
01:51:46.920 --> 01:51:51.520
Majority of people in conservation, especially
wildlife conservation majoritily white. And so

1444
01:51:51.680 --> 01:51:56.279
when you think about you know that
the majority is now or the minority is

1445
01:51:56.319 --> 01:52:01.600
becoming the majority that concerns me as
a wildlife conservation I will admit that.

1446
01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:08.079
I will admit that. And so
you've just made a perfect point. How

1447
01:52:08.399 --> 01:52:14.119
something like being part of the ecology
and cleaning up the town or the area

1448
01:52:14.159 --> 01:52:21.119
that you live in. But uh, as I'm trying to IM trying to

1449
01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:28.680
say here. Uh I think I
think what you're saying is great. Something

1450
01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:32.159
like that should be taught in school, but instead they're being taught. Well,

1451
01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:36.399
you know, Jane has two mommies, and it's okay to dress like

1452
01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:41.560
a cat if you feel like you're
identified with it. You have litter boxes

1453
01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:49.359
at some schools like this. This
is absolute, pure insanity and and indoctrination.

1454
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:55.399
This is how you bring a country
down. And I don't think it's

1455
01:52:56.039 --> 01:53:00.359
necessarily just the people that are doing
it. I sincerely believe this sort of

1456
01:53:00.439 --> 01:53:09.279
thing is being promoted through China,
Russia, North Koreas and Iran and all

1457
01:53:09.399 --> 01:53:13.399
our enemies are focused on dividing this
country. So what do they do.

1458
01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:16.680
They support the people who are saying
they stand up with you. The red

1459
01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:19.760
hair, the green hair, the
blue hair, purple hair, all those

1460
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:24.279
people stand up and say a woman, you know, gotta sit a boob.

1461
01:53:24.359 --> 01:53:29.600
She goes up. I'm a man, you are. That's funny because

1462
01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:33.000
whether you lop your reality, whether
you lop your tits off, get a

1463
01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:38.319
penis and start taking hormones to grow
hair on your face, when you die

1464
01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:42.800
one hundred years from now and they
open up your coffin, your DNA is

1465
01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:47.640
still going to indicate that you were
a woman. So this is mental insanity.

1466
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:53.199
I've got nothing against gay people nothing. I've known gay people all my

1467
01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:57.199
life, especially when I got into
music. Okay, and I used to

1468
01:53:57.279 --> 01:54:01.640
go in the bathroom with crossdressers and
queens and gay people. I never had

1469
01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:05.279
a problem but to tell me that
they need their own bathroom. Now you're

1470
01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:09.680
in a seven year old girl going
to school either though precisely you know that's

1471
01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:15.359
my point. So the whole they're
they're they're not maybe not so much fun

1472
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:19.479
well in some cases funding it,
but they're supporting the division of our country.

1473
01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:25.000
And again this all goes back to
King Obama. And you know,

1474
01:54:25.119 --> 01:54:28.319
I I one hundred percent agree with
you with what you're what you're witnessing,

1475
01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:30.319
and what you're sensing happening to this
country. And I think it's been happening

1476
01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:34.720
for ever since the First and Second
World War, has been a slow erosion

1477
01:54:34.760 --> 01:54:39.399
of this type of one hundred years
they've been trying to break into the country.

1478
01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:42.640
And I but I don't. But
my I think where I'm coming from

1479
01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:45.079
is I don't see Trump as being
outside of that. I see him as

1480
01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:50.840
being the well scripted guy who comes
in to try to fix everything, but

1481
01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:57.520
then makes it worse afterward because everybody
welcome. And I just think that I

1482
01:54:57.600 --> 01:55:00.199
think some of the things that we
look at as far as like that's each

1483
01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:03.680
there. The whole operation warp speed
thing Is'm still continuing to say good things

1484
01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:08.000
about the Scots. I think these
are all kind of like hints to what

1485
01:55:08.319 --> 01:55:11.560
is happening here and who he might
actually be. Either he's I mean,

1486
01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:15.640
he's he's rich enough, he's already
we always say he's too. He's rich

1487
01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:18.479
enough as it is. But the
manipulation or maybe the fear factor, I

1488
01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:20.880
don't know, what if they have
something over them, be just willfully doing

1489
01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:24.760
this because of his ego. But
he's seems like he's, you know,

1490
01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:29.600
at least supporting everything that Pharma does, and we know who's at the head

1491
01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:33.439
of Pharma. Say people that hang
out in Israel and it's I don't know,

1492
01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:39.800
it's it's hard. It's hard to
separate the things that you see because

1493
01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:44.760
we because we want the hope that
there's at least somebody out there that's gonna

1494
01:55:44.920 --> 01:55:47.840
be different, you know, especially
he's definitely different. And I will admit

1495
01:55:47.960 --> 01:55:53.159
that he Yeah, he's a narcissistical
person. Is that right? Narcissistical?

1496
01:55:53.239 --> 01:55:56.960
Did I say it right? Yeah, he's definitely a narcissist. I'll put

1497
01:55:56.960 --> 01:56:00.399
it that way. But I'm okay
with that because I'm not voting for him.

1498
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:04.079
First attitude I'm voting for him because
he gets the fucking job done.

1499
01:56:04.760 --> 01:56:09.199
Period. And then whether you like
him or hate him, as I said

1500
01:56:09.239 --> 01:56:15.119
before, the man did more in
four years than the last five presidents we

1501
01:56:15.279 --> 01:56:17.600
had before him. But then we
also had a lockdown, and all that

1502
01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:21.319
stuff that happened prior to that was
erased and we went backward. You know,

1503
01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:26.680
it's like it's like losing five pounds
to gain fifty. Wait repeat what

1504
01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:30.359
you said. Well, when the
lockdowns came and all that prosperity that was

1505
01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:34.720
happening in prior to that, it
all went to negative direction. Businesses were

1506
01:56:34.760 --> 01:56:39.800
closed down. But Trump wasn't president
at that point. During the lockdowns.

1507
01:56:40.560 --> 01:56:45.520
Yeah, twenty twenty, he was
gone. Yeah, he was president for

1508
01:56:45.640 --> 01:56:48.520
one remember, No, if I
remember correctly, he was gone. The

1509
01:56:49.079 --> 01:56:56.159
pandemic started in March of March at
the end of nineteen ninety. Yeah,

1510
01:56:56.359 --> 01:57:00.560
November twenty, Yeah, the following
November would be when he wore to be

1511
01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:02.840
you know what I mean. Okay, so I get what you're saying.

1512
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:09.399
I believe, and they still stayed
until till that following January, So it's

1513
01:57:09.439 --> 01:57:14.760
kind of right. It went from
twenty twenty to twenty twenty almost twenty twenty

1514
01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:17.640
two. I believe let me say
this, I understand what you're saying.

1515
01:57:18.199 --> 01:57:24.600
However, I believe, I sincerely
believe that there were there was a lot

1516
01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:27.800
of pressure on what Trump had to
do. People. Let's face it,

1517
01:57:27.920 --> 01:57:30.880
we were all scared. I was
scared. I'm a post cancer patient.

1518
01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:33.920
And the first thing I did was
talk to my friend who's a doctor,

1519
01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:36.560
and I asked him straight out,
doc, what do you think I should

1520
01:57:36.640 --> 01:57:40.399
do? He's like, Mike,
based on your history with your health,

1521
01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:43.359
I don't think it would be a
bad thing for you to get the shot.

1522
01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:46.439
He got it. He got it
too, so we both got the

1523
01:57:46.560 --> 01:57:54.039
shot, we both got the booster, and shortly after we both said fuck

1524
01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:58.520
that. He was like Mike,
I made a mistake, just like you

1525
01:57:58.640 --> 01:58:00.119
did. He goes. I thought
were doing the right thing, but I

1526
01:58:00.159 --> 01:58:05.239
think it was all about politics,
and I don't dislike him for it.

1527
01:58:06.760 --> 01:58:11.439
As I said, I was scared. I was really scared, so I

1528
01:58:11.520 --> 01:58:15.199
went. I got that shot.
I regret it. That fear factor that

1529
01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:18.800
motivates people, and that's again,
it's like more of that mind worship,

1530
01:58:18.840 --> 01:58:21.800
you know, you hear from every
direction, and then that idea of mind

1531
01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:25.960
war is actually that you act as
if like it already happened, so that

1532
01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:30.439
people themselves will, you know,
manifest whatever outcome that they want you to.

1533
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:33.199
You know, I'm assuming all of
you haven't haven't gotten a shot.

1534
01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:38.439
I good for you, man,
good for you. That's great. I

1535
01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:44.199
applaud you. But I mean,
to me, I've always been skeptical just

1536
01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:47.319
being in the scientific community, seeing
all the different operations that have been done

1537
01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:53.880
by the government, approved by the
government on the minority and other types of

1538
01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:57.680
ethnicities. And it's not just Hispanics, it's not just blacks, it's also

1539
01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:00.279
been I think Japanese as well,
and the white also as well have gotten

1540
01:59:00.359 --> 01:59:04.279
their own fair share of it as
well, and it just doesn't stop.

1541
01:59:04.560 --> 01:59:09.000
And to me, I remember when
it first came out that, you know

1542
01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:13.319
that, I was thinking, it's
been more than thirty years that we've been

1543
01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:16.079
throwing enormous amount of money at cancer
and they haven't even been able to cure

1544
01:59:16.119 --> 01:59:18.880
one. But now we have a
vaccine in less than six months. Come

1545
01:59:18.960 --> 01:59:27.840
on, absolutely that that was my
if I made Lisa, I think,

1546
01:59:29.159 --> 01:59:31.399
and I've been saying this for a
while now, and I just said it

1547
01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:35.319
before. I think Trump was under
a lot of pressure because we were faced

1548
01:59:35.359 --> 01:59:43.680
with this terrible disease, that virus
that affected the whole world. Everybody was

1549
01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:46.319
scared. Now, can you guys
honestly sit there and tell me that you

1550
01:59:46.359 --> 01:59:51.800
weren't scared. I was hoping I
was at the beginning. You know what's

1551
01:59:51.840 --> 01:59:57.479
crazy about the virus because I love
viruses. I supposedly got it real fast.

1552
01:59:57.920 --> 02:00:01.239
You got it supposedly, so like
when I had it, and like

1553
02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:05.159
it was kind of like I literally
got it the weekend before they closed everything

1554
02:00:05.239 --> 02:00:09.840
down, and I really wasn't too
much in the politics or the news or

1555
02:00:09.920 --> 02:00:12.640
like even kind of quote me off
car like wait, what what's this?

1556
02:00:13.640 --> 02:00:15.159
And like when it didn't really fuck
me up too much, I was like,

1557
02:00:15.319 --> 02:00:18.399
what the fuck are people talking about? You know, my wife I

1558
02:00:18.520 --> 02:00:23.479
got it as well too. She
was fucking working from home three days later,

1559
02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:26.560
like it just feels like the flu, That's what she said, you

1560
02:00:26.640 --> 02:00:30.439
know, And so like none of
us were so I guess because of that,

1561
02:00:30.600 --> 02:00:31.840
I was just like, well,
I don't think this is as crazy

1562
02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:35.239
as they're making it out to be. I was like I had a low

1563
02:00:35.279 --> 02:00:39.439
grade fever for two days. I
was like, it's a big I don't

1564
02:00:39.439 --> 02:00:42.359
know, so maybe that that I
what about the rest of you? You

1565
02:00:42.439 --> 02:00:45.960
guys get it? No, I
can't catch unicorns, first of all,

1566
02:00:46.079 --> 02:00:51.399
so it wouldn't be a virus I
can't get. I can't get unicorn dandru

1567
02:00:51.560 --> 02:00:56.000
either, so it wouldn't be a
spike protein. I'm sorry, I'm confused.

1568
02:00:56.039 --> 02:00:59.800
What are we talking about? Well, I don't the virus idea that

1569
02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:03.960
of what makes you sick. It's
invalid in my opinion, And it's more

1570
02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:10.239
likely that there was a poisoning event
that occurred, or previous shots finally came

1571
02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:15.640
to manifest and made people sick because
the flu season was flu season was prior

1572
02:01:15.720 --> 02:01:18.319
to that, and who got the
worst of it. People in convalescent homes.

1573
02:01:18.600 --> 02:01:21.760
Those people are mandated to take those
shots. So if they had a

1574
02:01:21.800 --> 02:01:26.079
flu shot and then they started getting
sick and dying, there's a there's a

1575
02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:30.199
correlation there. And then they said, oh, it's the imaginable, imaginary,

1576
02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:32.159
magical. But hang on the side, hold one more second, one

1577
02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:38.800
more second. Also, when you
have a millimeter wave five g radiation,

1578
02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:45.159
it can actually spontaneously cause in the
air double bounded nitrogen and oxygen. You

1579
02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:49.720
know what that is? No cyanide. You know what they call high altitude

1580
02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:55.720
sickness, the inability to breathe.
Yeah, that's from cyanide. So if

1581
02:01:55.880 --> 02:01:59.079
that was a correlation, if they
lit those things up, nobody would know.

1582
02:01:59.159 --> 02:02:01.119
Nobody could see it, and if
certain areas were you were saying that

1583
02:02:01.279 --> 02:02:06.600
the viruld No, there's no such
thing as a virus. Never been any

1584
02:02:06.640 --> 02:02:10.800
sample that's been isolating. Ever.
I can't understand how you can say that

1585
02:02:10.880 --> 02:02:13.720
I've had viruses all my life.
No, you haven't. Have you have

1586
02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:19.000
you've had illness? Well, yeah, you may have had a correlation you

1587
02:02:19.039 --> 02:02:26.920
from an imaginary invisible monster. What's
imaginary? What's invisible? About a small

1588
02:02:27.079 --> 02:02:30.600
time? I would recommend because this
is are if we do this, it's

1589
02:02:30.680 --> 02:02:32.640
not going to be I'm not going
to say it. As well as doctor

1590
02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:40.119
Stephan Lanka, who was a who
calls himself a recovering virologist. You you

1591
02:02:40.199 --> 02:02:44.359
speak to him, doctor Tom Cowin, any of these people. Uh By

1592
02:02:44.439 --> 02:02:48.600
Bey Schamp, who back in the
eighteen hundreds basically proved it with his microscope

1593
02:02:48.640 --> 02:02:53.840
that was stronger than an electronic microscope
that we have now could actually see living

1594
02:02:53.880 --> 02:02:57.840
tissue with it. Uh Rife didn't
ever make the correlation, but his his

1595
02:02:58.079 --> 02:03:02.359
his looking glass was pretty much very
close to that. These things that they're

1596
02:03:02.399 --> 02:03:12.840
calling viruses are what do they call
it a artifact of the process of preparing

1597
02:03:14.039 --> 02:03:18.399
a slide for an electron microscope.
It's the breaking down in the dissolution and

1598
02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:24.560
the dying of cells. So you
have this cell debris, they point at

1599
02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:27.960
it and say, look, that's
the virus, and then they sell it

1600
02:03:28.039 --> 02:03:30.079
to you because what they're really trying
to get you to do is to go

1601
02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:33.840
and take things like these shots,
be dependent on them. Who's the only

1602
02:03:33.920 --> 02:03:38.359
people who can save you from these
problems that they created? And then you're

1603
02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:43.079
dependent on them. You're going to
them for the solutions, and that's how

1604
02:03:43.319 --> 02:03:45.680
they keep people sick, keep people
suppressed, keep people this. If they

1605
02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:49.439
just got off that idea that hey, you know, and then maybe they

1606
02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:51.960
look in their water, maybe they
look in the air, maybe they look

1607
02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:57.640
in their food and see where poisonings
actually come from, and then there would

1608
02:03:57.640 --> 02:04:00.079
be a little bit less of a
quarterly or maybe the thing that's injected directly

1609
02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:04.000
into their arm when they feel like
it's a time for your shots, and

1610
02:04:04.159 --> 02:04:09.760
how that mightestate and then manifest into
an illness, the lack of proper nutrition

1611
02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:14.920
that would bring your ability to defend
yourself from such things down to a degree

1612
02:04:14.960 --> 02:04:17.520
where when everybody else gets six,
so do you because you're purging toxins.

1613
02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:20.880
And they call that a disease when
it's actually the cure because you're actually getting

1614
02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:25.359
rid of the shit. So everything
is backward when it comes to allopathy.

1615
02:04:25.439 --> 02:04:29.199
It's a eugenics program, and they
do employ certain things that will kill people

1616
02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:31.000
off on purpose because that's what they're
doing. Same thing with chemo. They

1617
02:04:31.039 --> 02:04:35.359
know chemo and radiation don't do anything
besides kill people. Ninety seven percent failure

1618
02:04:35.439 --> 02:04:39.960
rate is because they want to kill
you. And I'm so happy that you

1619
02:04:40.119 --> 02:04:43.479
didn't die from that. My aunt
did. They did two and a half

1620
02:04:43.560 --> 02:04:47.279
years of poisoning and radiating her bipath
radiation three times, and I've had chemotherapy

1621
02:04:47.359 --> 02:04:50.960
twice and I'm still here. I
know. I mean, granted, I

1622
02:04:51.720 --> 02:04:56.800
have problems, but I'm glad that
you didn't have that same issue. Who's

1623
02:04:56.840 --> 02:04:59.039
a mother of three? Yeah,
but you're saying that it kills you,

1624
02:04:59.159 --> 02:05:00.079
How does it? It does?
So her time, she had two and

1625
02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:03.600
a half years of fit. How
old was she in her twenties with the

1626
02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:09.239
third. Her third childhood was just
born, so she had cancer. She

1627
02:05:09.359 --> 02:05:13.000
had leukemia. They called it,
you know, another noseum cancer leukemia.

1628
02:05:13.079 --> 02:05:15.880
I mean, that's pretty serious,
man, if that's if that's a thing

1629
02:05:15.960 --> 02:05:19.920
that couldn't have been done with nutrition, because we always believe that that's true.

1630
02:05:20.119 --> 02:05:23.720
I don't buy anything that they say
the d You just said that,

1631
02:05:23.800 --> 02:05:27.239
you don't believe in these viruses and
stuff. Virus isn't leukemia, bud,

1632
02:05:28.079 --> 02:05:30.560
No, I don't understand that,
But I'm just saying, isn't it the

1633
02:05:30.640 --> 02:05:35.239
same sort of thing of being sick
from a what they call what they tell

1634
02:05:35.319 --> 02:05:39.039
us is the cause of anything.
I don't buy. I want to know.

1635
02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:41.239
I want to I want to know
myself. I don't want to argue.

1636
02:05:41.239 --> 02:05:43.119
I don't want that, you know
what I mean, like, I

1637
02:05:43.119 --> 02:05:46.119
don't want them to detreat it from
their from their high holy place of priest

1638
02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:49.840
craft sorcery. This is why you're
stick, you know, it's like funk

1639
02:05:49.880 --> 02:05:53.239
off. Let me figure, let
me see if there's any validity to it

1640
02:05:53.279 --> 02:05:56.359
first, before I start taking your
drugs. Do you take anything if you're

1641
02:05:56.399 --> 02:06:00.359
sick? Do you ever get sick? I take a nutritional supplements. I

1642
02:06:00.399 --> 02:06:04.520
don't think if you get very old, the flu very rarely okay, but

1643
02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:09.880
you get right, like if I
have stuff nose every once in a while.

1644
02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:11.479
Maybe, I don't know. I
don't really Well, what was the

1645
02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:15.199
last time you were sick? I
was living in New York, probably twenty

1646
02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:18.600
years ago. Wow, good for
you. Yeah, living in New York,

1647
02:06:18.640 --> 02:06:24.640
I was sick all the time.
This ship was always sick. I'm

1648
02:06:24.760 --> 02:06:27.800
able to breathe. Oh my god, everything is bad. But I mean,

1649
02:06:29.079 --> 02:06:33.279
I've been lucky since I've been out
here. I don't I'm not around

1650
02:06:33.279 --> 02:06:35.319
a lot of people all the time, so I don't get as sick.

1651
02:06:35.359 --> 02:06:39.720
But after I got those two goddamn
shots, I did get COVID twice.

1652
02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:44.000
Oh yeah, and that's again,
like, what what perason are they putting

1653
02:06:44.039 --> 02:06:47.279
in you that mimics the very same
thing that they say you're trying to avoid.

1654
02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:54.640
You know, I couldn't tell you, but I said before against that

1655
02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:57.399
shot at this point, and I
hope the best outcome for you too.

1656
02:06:57.560 --> 02:07:00.760
That nothing bearors. It's ugly ahead
in the future since you've already had Yeah,

1657
02:07:00.760 --> 02:07:04.359
it sucks to have gone through that, right, how many times you

1658
02:07:04.399 --> 02:07:10.399
see you had cancer? Eight eight. That's off two times. I had

1659
02:07:10.439 --> 02:07:15.640
two different types of cancer at the
same time in two different interest And this

1660
02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:17.399
is before you even like launched your
music career, right like, that was

1661
02:07:18.680 --> 02:07:26.800
the first time. One two So
I had it twice before I started the

1662
02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:30.039
band, and then after I started
the band, about a year and a

1663
02:07:30.039 --> 02:07:33.680
half later is when I got sick
again. That was the third time.

1664
02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:38.720
And I don't want to point out
the fact that you know, the Kima

1665
02:07:38.760 --> 02:07:42.880
didn't do the job either, but
I also well, I'm not going to

1666
02:07:42.920 --> 02:07:46.760
get into it. The point of
the matter is, yeah, so I

1667
02:07:46.880 --> 02:07:49.760
love it mine. I'm not trying
to no, not at all. It's

1668
02:07:49.800 --> 02:07:54.119
a healthy debate and that's fine.
I'm okay with it. I'm not I'm

1669
02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:57.079
not taking it the wrong way.
Listen, I'm not some woke, fucking

1670
02:07:57.119 --> 02:08:05.439
idiot. I'm a woman. I'm
It's a healthy debate and that's good.

1671
02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:07.680
I appreciate that, and I also
respect what you just said to me.

1672
02:08:09.159 --> 02:08:11.760
All I'm saying is that what was
I saying? I was gonna say something

1673
02:08:13.159 --> 02:08:18.520
I forgot. I'm just trying to
point out that, yeah, I had

1674
02:08:18.720 --> 02:08:24.760
I had some I got the virus
after I got the shot and uh again,

1675
02:08:24.039 --> 02:08:28.880
lost complete faith in all of that. I'm not part of it anymore.

1676
02:08:28.399 --> 02:08:31.520
But yeah, the whole cancer thing, that's a completely different, separate

1677
02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:35.520
story. Yeah that sucks. I'm
sorry. And you know, again,

1678
02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:39.079
I don't think anybody should have ever
recommended you get something like that if you

1679
02:08:39.159 --> 02:08:43.560
already had a history of compromised you
know, health, because I think that

1680
02:08:43.600 --> 02:08:46.119
stuff pushes you over the edge and
fills you with a bunch of toxins that

1681
02:08:46.159 --> 02:08:50.159
you didn't necessarily need. Well,
the interesting thing about the COVID shot is

1682
02:08:50.239 --> 02:08:56.960
that it's not like a flu shot. What they're giving you from what I

1683
02:08:56.119 --> 02:09:00.479
understand. Isn't it like it doesn't
it like alter your DNA or something.

1684
02:09:00.840 --> 02:09:03.000
Yeah, they call it messenger RNA, but I think it's more like modified.

1685
02:09:03.279 --> 02:09:07.239
I think that that's really the proper
term for the for that M and

1686
02:09:07.279 --> 02:09:11.479
the M RNA because it's changing things
as a Yeah, that's right, because

1687
02:09:11.479 --> 02:09:16.800
it actually changes something in your molecular
structure or something like that. I'm not

1688
02:09:16.079 --> 02:09:22.560
I can't describe it like I heard
it scientifically, but when I did hear

1689
02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:26.319
them, like holy my brother was
the one who told me that that it's

1690
02:09:26.439 --> 02:09:28.920
not like a flu virus. So
then they're not they're not giving you a

1691
02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:35.039
portion of the virus so that your
body builds up an immunity to it.

1692
02:09:35.960 --> 02:09:39.800
And again the other thing to models
that they do, the computer models that

1693
02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:41.399
they say like, well, this
is a fragment of a virus, but

1694
02:09:41.960 --> 02:09:45.840
this is what our computer model that
we decided to program to tell us this

1695
02:09:45.960 --> 02:09:48.760
thing told us is what the whole
virus strand looks like. It's like,

1696
02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:52.479
okay, so everything that you just
said to me is CGI and babbling bullshit

1697
02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:56.159
from your computer. You still don't
even like have like the answer. So

1698
02:09:56.239 --> 02:10:00.239
how do you create something to fight
it when you don't even I don't know

1699
02:10:00.279 --> 02:10:03.520
what it is yet and you don't
have And how scary is it to know

1700
02:10:03.680 --> 02:10:07.760
that if you discuss the fact that
you believe that either the election was stolen

1701
02:10:09.039 --> 02:10:13.840
or that the China virus was leaked
out of a lab, they'll shut you

1702
02:10:13.960 --> 02:10:18.600
down, they'll censor you because they
don't want you to know. Right.

1703
02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:22.640
So, here's a good thing about
this, Daniel, is that there are

1704
02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:28.680
shows like this and the Michael Deacon
Program and my show Finding the Truth of

1705
02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:37.239
My Kidios and a thousand others that
right that too. But what I'm saying

1706
02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:43.680
is people are going away from the
mainstream media because they no longer trust it.

1707
02:10:43.079 --> 02:10:50.920
They trust more shows like this where
people can not only speak their mind,

1708
02:10:50.239 --> 02:10:54.159
but exchange ideas. And that's what
I think is happening now. People

1709
02:10:54.199 --> 02:10:58.279
are losing all faith in the mainstream
media because of their lives. I get

1710
02:10:58.359 --> 02:11:05.680
more out of you and Michael discussing
whatever. You know, pop culture topics

1711
02:11:05.720 --> 02:11:07.640
are at the moment, and and
the craziness of the world and jelly roll

1712
02:11:09.079 --> 02:11:16.279
and I do that I do on
the main stream media. That's funny.

1713
02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:20.199
All right, So we got two
hours and ten on the clock. My

1714
02:11:20.319 --> 02:11:22.680
daughter just came in. We had
a great talk. I would love to

1715
02:11:22.760 --> 02:11:28.279
have you back. Yeah, you're
very well appreciated here. I believe you

1716
02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:31.079
guys. I've talked a lot you
guys, go around the room if you'd

1717
02:11:31.119 --> 02:11:35.399
like in. Uh so you're you
know, your last couple of two treat

1718
02:11:35.479 --> 02:11:39.039
things and then we can call it
a day. A couple Well, thanks,

1719
02:11:39.199 --> 02:11:41.279
thanks Daniel for having me on.
I had a really good time and

1720
02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:46.079
it was listening to be able to
meet you. Mike. That was I'm

1721
02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:50.760
really glad we got to talk a
little bit about like your take on Satanism.

1722
02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:54.800
I thought that was very important.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because

1723
02:11:54.800 --> 02:11:58.079
I do think I enlightened some people
with the answers I gave because we're not

1724
02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:03.640
all, you know, metal maniacs. No, no, that's why I

1725
02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:07.479
thought it was good. Yes,
thank you it yeah, yeah, and

1726
02:12:07.720 --> 02:12:09.920
uh, I guess just you know, I'll plug myself to before we wrap

1727
02:12:11.000 --> 02:12:15.800
it up if anybody wants to check
out our stuff that you call rejects YouTube

1728
02:12:15.800 --> 02:12:20.359
bitch you rumble in all major podcasts. Thanks Dan, very good, Daniel,

1729
02:12:20.399 --> 02:12:24.000
thank you for having for inviting me
on and Mike. It was wonderful

1730
02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:28.439
meeting you. Yes. Absolutely,
I'm very fascinated to learn about all different

1731
02:12:28.479 --> 02:12:33.560
belief systems. It doesn't FaZe me
what you believe. I've always been extremely

1732
02:12:33.640 --> 02:12:41.119
curious of pull walks and all belief
systems. And it was I enjoyed hearing

1733
02:12:41.319 --> 02:12:46.039
the backstory of your time with Misfits
because it's things that you don't normally hear.

1734
02:12:46.439 --> 02:12:48.199
It's almost like watching VH one,
you know, behind the Curtain or

1735
02:12:48.279 --> 02:12:54.680
whatever, but like in real life
and so and then getting to know you.

1736
02:12:54.800 --> 02:12:58.319
It was. It was a blast. I really enjoyed the conversation.

1737
02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:01.880
Thank you so much. My pleasure, Thank you very much. Yeah,

1738
02:13:01.000 --> 02:13:05.840
and you have, you know,
just a great, great personality you got.

1739
02:13:07.520 --> 02:13:09.840
You know, if if anybody thinks
of saying this is anti social,

1740
02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:13.119
this guy has got a heart,
he's got animals, he's got it's all

1741
02:13:13.159 --> 02:13:18.560
yours. All your preconceived notions about
everything is just just that preconceived notion.

1742
02:13:18.680 --> 02:13:22.800
It's it's not reality. And with
that, I want to say, accept

1743
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:26.319
everybody, go ahead. I have
a question for you. Are yes,

1744
02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:31.720
you said you studied the occult as
well? How deep did you go?

1745
02:13:33.159 --> 02:13:35.399
Or or Nick? Both of you? I mean, list you don't let

1746
02:13:35.520 --> 02:13:41.399
Nick start because he's not compared to
that new Betail curious and I'm sorry,

1747
02:13:41.439 --> 02:13:43.079
I know we're running out of time, but still, I mean we did

1748
02:13:43.119 --> 02:13:46.359
talk a lot about me. So
what what I know? Nick was in

1749
02:13:46.399 --> 02:13:50.560
the OTL, But what what do
you guys know? Like? What did

1750
02:13:50.640 --> 02:13:54.520
you study? How do you know
this? Uh? I got like big

1751
02:13:54.600 --> 02:14:01.000
into like Kabala and Jamatria hard Man
the Cabala. I was like, I

1752
02:14:01.079 --> 02:14:05.319
can't understand this strmitic Kabala. You
know, but it's complicated. I was

1753
02:14:05.560 --> 02:14:09.319
like, very I guess because of
being in the Oto you have to understand.

1754
02:14:09.359 --> 02:14:13.840
I was just predisposed to Crowley and
thelemic ideas. So I do have

1755
02:14:13.960 --> 02:14:18.439
I guess maybe that outlook sometimes out
looking at occultism, you know, because

1756
02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:24.600
of Crowley and and I can get
into plenty of other things, but in

1757
02:14:24.680 --> 02:14:28.760
a nutshell, this was you were
involved in a group that was the OTO,

1758
02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:31.840
like an actual oh yeah yeah yeah, it was an actual, real

1759
02:14:31.920 --> 02:14:35.239
lodge and everything. Yeah oh wow, yeah. I mean I eventually left,

1760
02:14:35.279 --> 02:14:37.039
and eventually, once I started having
like my own experiences, I just

1761
02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:39.800
realized like I didn't need to go
to a place like that, and kind

1762
02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:43.600
of left, and I just you
know, what's really weird. It'd probably

1763
02:14:43.600 --> 02:14:46.359
be interesting. Uh, you know, I'm sure we'll talk again. They

1764
02:14:46.439 --> 02:14:48.600
actually started pushing that that far left
shit too, so that pushed me right

1765
02:14:48.640 --> 02:14:52.199
out the fucking door. Yeah,
blew my mind, dude, they're pushing

1766
02:14:52.199 --> 02:14:56.399
on straight socialism. You know.
I'm sorry not to get into a deep

1767
02:14:56.439 --> 02:15:01.199
conversation, but Lovey was actually anti
left. It is interesting, right,

1768
02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:05.640
hippies. That was the one last
thing I wanted to ask everybody. That's

1769
02:15:05.720 --> 02:15:13.560
funny. So you have Xena LaVey
Shrek m hm, and you have Taylor

1770
02:15:13.600 --> 02:15:16.880
Swift, anyone, anyone anyone,
anyone want to want to touch that with

1771
02:15:16.960 --> 02:15:24.000
a with a stick or Okay,
I didn't realize that. Okay, it's

1772
02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:28.000
been a long time since I've seen
uh Zena Zena Right. He was younger

1773
02:15:28.239 --> 02:15:31.600
for sure, Like, yeah,
she was the talk shows. She looks

1774
02:15:31.720 --> 02:15:35.520
just like Taylor Swift. Does that? I didn't realize out, Yeah,

1775
02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:39.359
I think it is. And Daniel, what about you, Like what's your

1776
02:15:39.479 --> 02:15:41.640
background in it? Like how do
you know about it? As far as

1777
02:15:43.000 --> 02:15:46.520
just reading and leaning, like going
into the topics that I have, finding

1778
02:15:46.640 --> 02:15:50.680
something that I didn't I wasn't familiar
with, and then just because that's what

1779
02:15:50.760 --> 02:15:54.880
I do, I just don't know. I consume everything I can about that

1780
02:15:54.000 --> 02:15:58.039
thing until I mixedure. I know
it right, and I know it upside

1781
02:15:58.039 --> 02:16:01.319
down, frontwards and backwards. But
when I was making preparations to write this,

1782
02:16:03.640 --> 02:16:05.960
I went through the whole history of
like from from Summer. I went

1783
02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:11.920
through, like I said, the
Michael W. Ford book about the Babylonian

1784
02:16:11.960 --> 02:16:16.800
magic and how to conduct the rituals
and all that stuff, and just kind

1785
02:16:16.840 --> 02:16:18.960
of went through the Free Masonic Quorder. The Jesuits actually have a lot of

1786
02:16:20.000 --> 02:16:24.840
mysticism in them too, and just
the ancient cults and the priestcraft. So

1787
02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:28.680
it's priestcraft beyond Babylon because they're still
here. They just wear suits and white

1788
02:16:28.720 --> 02:16:33.000
coats now instead of black robes,
except for the judges who never got rid

1789
02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:41.440
of the black robes. That's quite
interesting. So you studied a cult basically

1790
02:16:41.600 --> 02:16:43.559
before you wrote the book. Yeah, yeah, and then like the kind

1791
02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:46.600
of the show kind of went from
there. Like I started reading into the

1792
02:16:46.840 --> 02:16:50.920
I think the Jesuits very the first
thing. I like, my very first

1793
02:16:50.959 --> 02:16:54.719
topics were Bill Cooper and the and
the Jesuits. However, way that came

1794
02:16:54.760 --> 02:16:58.040
about, like whatever books I was
reading at the time, there was a

1795
02:16:58.079 --> 02:17:01.200
guy that was trying to pin everything
that happens bad in the world on the

1796
02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:03.280
Jesuits, and he wrote a bunch
of books. But then I realized that

1797
02:17:03.360 --> 02:17:07.520
he was covering for a lot of
other people. So and Lisa like,

1798
02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:13.280
what's if I may what's your background? So I'm an academic, grew up

1799
02:17:13.360 --> 02:17:18.399
kind of going to school predominantly,
took a lot of biology classes. Initially

1800
02:17:18.399 --> 02:17:20.840
I wanted to be a veterinarian.
I went to go work for one to

1801
02:17:20.920 --> 02:17:24.639
realize that you're dealing more with people
than you are with the actual animals,

1802
02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:26.319
and so that kind of turned me
away. So I got into research,

1803
02:17:26.440 --> 02:17:31.559
hardcore research, you know, like
did a lot of cell culture. My

1804
02:17:31.680 --> 02:17:35.639
backgrounds immunology, Streuss physiology, a
lot of anatomy, a lot of physiology

1805
02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:39.159
now looking into all life diseases and
so forth. So it's kind of you

1806
02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:46.680
know, this whatever. But I
was always into esoteric occult topics, and

1807
02:17:46.879 --> 02:17:50.719
so when I stumbled upon the next
show, it kind of just you know

1808
02:17:52.680 --> 02:17:54.600
it, you know, was my
thing. And so then I had the

1809
02:17:54.639 --> 02:18:00.840
opportunity to work with Nick and then
now looking at different occult like looking at

1810
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the ones in the history, looking
at different grim wares, I mean,

1811
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just learning so very much, you
know, especially with some of these old

1812
02:18:07.760 --> 02:18:11.719
old grimmores like from the Middle East
or from up in the Netherlands and stuff

1813
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like that. I think it's extremely
fascinating and how much they knew back then

1814
02:18:16.760 --> 02:18:20.799
compared to what we don't know now. So I think a lot of it

1815
02:18:22.000 --> 02:18:26.000
was lost, a lot of it
has been suppressed by design, I think

1816
02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:31.479
on some level, or maybe just
wanted to you know, make money off

1817
02:18:31.559 --> 02:18:35.559
of a situation and be you know, have middlemen trying to be the go

1818
02:18:35.719 --> 02:18:43.079
between so that's that's kind of been
my path, so to speak. Cool.

1819
02:18:43.399 --> 02:18:45.120
Well, thank you for sharing that
with me, all of you.

1820
02:18:45.280 --> 02:18:48.200
Thank you. I just wanted to
find out a little bit about you guys

1821
02:18:48.239 --> 02:18:50.959
real quick. In any event,
I want to say thank you. If

1822
02:18:50.959 --> 02:18:54.799
anybody's interested in my book King of
an Empire to the Shoes of a Misfit,

1823
02:18:54.879 --> 02:19:01.239
written by yours truly no ghostwriter,
you can go to to mike Hideous

1824
02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:07.399
dot com along with all like this
is one of my T shirt designs if

1825
02:19:07.440 --> 02:19:11.360
you can see that anyway. So
yeah, if you go to my t

1826
02:19:11.479 --> 02:19:16.719
shirt to my website, you can
go to the section where I have all

1827
02:19:16.799 --> 02:19:22.000
my merchandise and in addition to some
of the CDs that are still left from

1828
02:19:22.120 --> 02:19:26.799
Empire Hideous and Spy Society, you
can get my book, you can get

1829
02:19:26.840 --> 02:19:30.440
my t shirts, you can get
all kinds of cool prints. It's actually

1830
02:19:30.479 --> 02:19:33.920
called horrible Artwork designs, and I
do everything like you know, dark,

1831
02:19:33.959 --> 02:19:39.200
creepy monster stuff. And yeah,
so there's been a bunch of new T

1832
02:19:39.360 --> 02:19:45.680
shirt designs, prints on towels,
throw blankets, throw pillows, mugs,

1833
02:19:46.680 --> 02:19:48.879
you know everything. Just go to
the website. Thank you, folks.

1834
02:19:48.920 --> 02:19:54.000
I really enjoyed doing the show.
Thank you so much, Mike. I

1835
02:19:54.280 --> 02:19:56.520
greatly appreciate your time. This was
a lot of fun. It was good,

1836
02:19:56.799 --> 02:20:00.840
you know, And I hope people
out there because last the last video

1837
02:20:00.840 --> 02:20:03.440
I did with Dustin mus I think
people get a little like bent out of

1838
02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:09.680
shape when there's a like things get
a little bit more debate, like in

1839
02:20:09.840 --> 02:20:13.280
nature. I don't always like to
take it that way either, but I

1840
02:20:13.319 --> 02:20:16.639
think it's fun and I think it's
good for you know. You know,

1841
02:20:16.079 --> 02:20:20.440
it's just it's just another way of
communicating, right, It's not necessarily debate.

1842
02:20:20.559 --> 02:20:24.239
Isn't an argument. You know,
there's a big difference, and I

1843
02:20:24.319 --> 02:20:28.319
think a lot of people who get
too offended by that need to kind of

1844
02:20:28.360 --> 02:20:31.840
like grow up a little bit.
Because we love world today, right,

1845
02:20:31.920 --> 02:20:35.360
and we love Mike and every not
everybody is as sensitive and it is hurt

1846
02:20:35.440 --> 02:20:39.399
by every little word that they hear. So if yes, you maybe that's

1847
02:20:39.479 --> 02:20:43.159
the problem is that you're sensitive,
not so much us exactly. You know

1848
02:20:43.200 --> 02:20:46.680
that like Michael and I, Michael
Deigan, him and I have our differences

1849
02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:50.079
on things, but yeah, we
can have those differences and still be friends.

1850
02:20:50.159 --> 02:20:54.040
That's the American way. That's what
I love about the country. We

1851
02:20:54.120 --> 02:20:58.639
can always give our opinion, but
you have to know how to take it

1852
02:20:58.719 --> 02:21:03.840
as an adult, and I'm that
all under our conversation. Love it man,

1853
02:21:03.159 --> 02:21:07.040
Thank you. I had How do
I get out of this thing?

1854
02:21:07.079 --> 02:21:11.719
What do I do now? Think
you just at the leave studio? Thanks?

1855
02:21:11.760 --> 02:21:16.680
Everyone, be good, take care
of and there we have it.

1856
02:21:16.799 --> 02:21:22.959
Guys, Thank you for your time
as well. Thanks for bringing your audience

1857
02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:26.239
in with it too. It was
great. Yeah, yeah, that was

1858
02:21:26.280 --> 02:21:28.399
awesome. Yeah. It was nice
to see some people in the chat,

1859
02:21:28.159 --> 02:21:31.520
and I heard a lot of people
say they wanted to part too, so

1860
02:21:31.079 --> 02:21:35.760
we'll be working on that too.
All right, Thanks guys. I gotta

1861
02:21:35.760 --> 02:21:41.120
go see my daughter, take care
and then that's it for us too.

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02:21:41.440 --> 02:21:41.840
Out of here.