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Console. It is the night cap
on seven hundred wl W Gary Jeff Walker

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and the precipice of NFL Super wild
Card weekend. We're bringing her back,

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the fortune teller, the soothsayer,
the predictor of sports events when she is

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not an expert. She'll be the
first to admit that My wife christ to

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two point zero getting out her crystal
ball, and I understand you have some

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little extra help in picking the wild
card winners starting this Saturday. Correct,

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Actually I do. I'm using my
magic eight ball. I didn't know you

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had a magic eight ball. What
else are you hiding from me? Okay,

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to keep it, got to keep
it spicy. There you go.

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Well, you never have a problem
doing that. So my wife, who

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was not an NFL expert, started
picking games of the NFL. I guess

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we were like, I don't know, week eleven or week twelve on the

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night cabs, and did pretty well, I mean above five hundred. Well

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for somebody who's not a sharp,
she's not a gambler. Well, she

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married me other than that, not
a gambler. And so let's go ahead

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and start with the NFC matchups.
And this begins, of course, on

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Saturday, when the green Bay Packers
travel to Jerry World to face the Dallas

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Cowboys. The Cowboys have been lights
out at home this year. They really

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look like they're clicking. Green Bay
just kind of edged their way into the

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playoffs. Is there an upset?
Do you see an upset in the future

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for that first Wild Card game?
Green Bay at Dallas? Who do you

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see winning? Oh? Let me
checked, really shakes, says green Bay.

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The magic eight ball, says Green
Bay. Yes, I have a

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special magic gate ball. Well,
I mean, I mean, I'm surprised.

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Maybe it didn't say not sure or
ask again later, but okay,

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green Bay on the magic eight ball
from the Chrystal ball herself. Upset a

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lot of Cowboys fans with that pick, you understand, but you know you're

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just picking the games. Los Angeles
Rams play the Detroit Lions, who just

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finished a really magical season. Lions, you know, pretty good all year,

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but the Rams have been coming on. The Ram have to travel to

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Detroit. Who wins that game?
Detroit? Okay, that was quick.

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The Philadelphia Eagles next Monday night played
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I believe it's

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Monday and the Eagles. The Eagles
have struggled it lately, and you want

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to talk about struggling on offense.
Tampa Bay won their game to get in

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this weekend with a nine to nothing
score. What does the magic eight ball

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tell you about this wild card matchup
this coming weekend? Good? Sure to

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try in Tampa Bay. The Bucks
beat the Eagle. Everybody had the Eagles

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down as a Super Bowl team again
this year. The Christal ball says,

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no, No, I don't see
it happening. The Cleveland Browns pretty much

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pathetic on offense, but great the
number one defense in the league. Traveling

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to Houston to play what I believe
is the youngest team in the NFL,

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the Houston Texans. What we got, Yes we are? Would say,

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that's such high expectations for the Dolphins
this year. Traveling to my Kansas City

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Chiefs, who have also had their
difficulties to say the least, this season,

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when again they were picked as another
Super Bowl contender, especially since they'd

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been there and won it last year, give the ball a share and let's

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see what we got Miami at Kansas
City. They came up Kansas City,

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all right. So one more left. The Pittsburgh Steelers, which also kind

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of backed into the playoffs. Three
AFC North teams in the playoffs this year,

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including the number one seed of the
Baltimore Ravens. The Steelers are playing

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at the Buffalo Bills, and again
people are saying, the experts are saying,

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the Buffalo Bills are the most dangerous
team in the playoffs. They've got

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Josh Allen, and they've got all
these weapons, and they're supposed to do

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great things. But then there's always
the turnover machine factor of the quarterback Josh

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Allen. Yeah, the Steelers at
Buffalo. What do you think? Steelers

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came up? Steelers, You know, I hate that, but man,

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that's they're a dangerous team because Mike
Tomlin cheats. Yeah. All right,

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So there's your crystal Ball forecast for
the NFC and AFC Super wild Card games

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ahead this coming weekend. You get
the playoffs started. I appreciate your time,

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my dear, and I will see
you. Happy New Year to do.

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I'm sure they're wishing you happy New
Year because they made lots of money

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on your predictions this year. I
will see you. I will see you

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when I get home. Okay,
all right, I love you too.

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Christ to two point Oho, the
Crystal Ball working it in on the playoff

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picture we will see it's the nightcap
and it continues on seven hundred WLW.

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I'm a firefighter, so it's the
nightcap and we're rolling on on Tuesday night

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on seven hunter WLW. Garry Jeff
at you side with Rock of Costelano,

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our friend, the fitness freak biohacker
trained with Rocco dot com is where you

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can check him out as well on
on the email. But Rocco, we

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kind of breached this subject a little
bit on Saturday Morning. A tease if

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you will, about fluoride. Now, fluoride has been in drinking water in

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this country for how long? Since
the fifties, forties and fifties. Actually

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they started putting it in back then, and it was very controversial even back

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then. But it's but they just
kept was there reasoning for putting it in

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the first place? Wasn't it okay? So to make your teeth healthy or

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something. So the lie that they
told was that that it would that the

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fluoride would help a kid's teeth and
that it would protect the kid's teeth.

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And they had a study that was
extremely flawed that said that floor ride helps

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helps protect twenty five percent of the
children in America. So so then you

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know all these all these organizations decided
to jump on that bandwagon. But the

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weird thing about when you say organizations, you're talking about government agencies or whom,

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well, our government agencies and also
the National Dental Associate, right right,

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so dentists. And it was it
was a dental study that came out,

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but it didn't conclude anything whatsoever.
You know, it made a link

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to it a protecting that floor ride, a protected teeth, but it never

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ever proved or disproved it. It
was very similar to what Ansel Ansel Keys

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did. They he said, oh, well, you know, uh fat,

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fat causes uh, you know,
heart disease. Well that doesn't cause

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heart disease many other things, but
Ansel Keys uh pushed that live for fifty

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years. Ansel Keys was a scientist
who who did a study who was put

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on on on Our Time magazine as
figuring out and he actually started the whole

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Uh. He was considered fat.
He was considered an authority on nutrition and

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health, right kind of like kind
of like Anthony kind but you know,

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but not as you can't recall anything
now, right, But Ansel Keys Uh,

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I did a study, but but
forgot a whole lot of countries,

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and he basically said that all the
countries that he he said, uh,

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basically didn't eat fat, so they
didn't have heart disease. Well, the

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same thing kind of happened. It
was just one big lie. And and

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why they started putting floride in in
water is a really nefarious and disgusting act

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if you if you look at it, because they said that it was gonna

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help with a dental and with teeth
and with a protecting teeth, and that

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all these people I've had Florida,
Florida and drinking water all my life,

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and my teeth are atrocious. Well, I have to tell you, Well,

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and that's the whole thing. Well
A Kentucky is literally the worst they

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have. They have nearly one hund
of de cities in Kentucky have have have

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a floride in the water. Well, I mean I grew up in Illinois

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and in Tennessee, so I mean
it's not just Kentucky, right, Well,

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I know, but Illinois is ninety
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in Florida have a floride a Minnesota's
what about? What about cities that don't

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have fluoride in the drinking water?
Have they studied those? Yes, and

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and so that's where this study came
from. So that's why I'm even talk

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about it because the Floride Action On
Network sued the EPA for for the sixth

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year a national toxicology study. They
studied places like San Diego, right,

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that doesn't have floride in the water, which I tak Kansas that doesn't have

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florida in the water. And New
Jersey, who most of the cities don't

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have, you know, a florid
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compare it to Kentucky, Illinois and
these different places, right, And what

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did they find? They found that
it's amazing. They found that floride in

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the water reduces children's i Q by
up to seven points. Really yeah,

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by up to seven points. But
what about your teeth? Well, well,

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the teeth, well, I'm you
know, I have been I've been

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saying for twenty years, and the
floor ride's horrible for you. And people

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are like, oh, what do
you mean. My d just tells me

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all about floor ride and then we
go and and we find out that too

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much florid and even if you look
on a tube of toothpaste, it says

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do not swallow. It's poison.
So you're brushing your teeth with poison.

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And yeah, so just don't swallow
it. How many people do you know

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that that don't swallow their toothpaste?
Sometimes, well, I mean, you're

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gonna get a little bit in your
incremental amount, and then you're drinking or

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if you drink tap water, which
most and what's relevant about this is that

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in Kentucky, in in Illinois,
in Minnesota, most of the cities or

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the ghettos or the low income places, people don't drink and we'll get into

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the bottle of the water soon,
but they drink, you know, a

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tap water. So now the government
and the cities literally make making these people

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stupid. And that's why I believe
that it's a very nefarious. If you're

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a kid and you're born with one
hundred and sixty IQ like say somebody like

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me, then seven points is not
going to make that much of a difference.

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Yeah, But if you're you know, if you have one hundred and

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like twenty seven points makes a huge
difference, you know. But but what's

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really really messed up about the fluoride. Is that the fluoride, the florid

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that they put in the water is
actually waste from mining, so from quartz

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mining, from from different mining operations. They're putting wastewater in with your you're

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no waste. No, So the
floor ride, it's a flora. It's

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flora's the by product. It's a
byproduct of the mining, right, and

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so very simil to what weight protein
was and I'll tell you that story.

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But uh so, the fluoride is
a byproduct of the processing of the mining

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of quartz and other and other kind
of like rocks, rocks and minerals.

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And if you were to take that
waste and dump it somewhere, it would

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become extra toxic. So you couldn't
clump it in in a big pile or

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else you'd have a very serious like
toxic pile. So what they've found was

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that if you if you put it
in water, it dissipates it and it's

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it's not as toxic, but it's
still toxic, still toxic. Not but

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that's what. No, it's the
same thing with some of the medications.

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You know, it's it's really all
about dosage. But but you know,

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one things are poison at this dosage. And one thing is not poison like

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bleach. You know, you can
have you know, a small dosage or

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or the or the chlorine in the
water. It's not it's it's it's gonna

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harm you, but it's not gonna
harm you that much, right, And

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that's at least it's not gonna harm
me that much. But it's the same

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thing. It's the exact same thing
with you know, with with with a

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a suitable amount of rat poop in
food, there's an actually there are acceptable

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of rat poop, right, So
how much rat poop is is not good

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for you? I mean, that's
the key. So so that's where that's

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where the fluoride actually came in into
a the water supply because they needed to

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get rid of it in order to
and they used to know, apparently with

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some study that said it was beneficial
in some way that well, a very

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a very small study like cigarette,
like the cigarette studies that said that you

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know, cigarettes weren't paid for you, right, exactly? All right,

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Vanished comes a new true crime weekly
podcast. Oh that just came out involving

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nanoparticles, and Rocco is here in
the studio to talk about nana. What

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are nanoparticles? First and foremost,
Roco is basically particles that can't be seen

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by the naked eye. Okay,
that's pretty much what it is, all

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right. So where we would find
we'd find nanoparticles everywhere, wouldn't we.

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Oh yeah, Well, and the
nanoparticles that I'm talking about is is in

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in a water that's in plastic bottles. Oh so well, and we're finding

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that there's a nanoparticles and also a
microparticles or or or a microplastics, right,

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and a nanoplastics. Now that uh
a study uh I just came out

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that uh that specifically says that what
we thought we were ingesting as as a

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microplastics was so far off it wasn't
even funny. So now they come to

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find out through through through a method
by using lasers that they can look at

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the water and they could see and
they and they have found up to two

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hundred and fifty thousand nanoparticles or or
nanoplastics, and they're finding out that these

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nanoplastics or these nanoparticles can pass through
and actually congregate in the bloodstream and can

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might and may possibly pass through the
blood brain barrier and and and be stored

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into fat and into tissue. Actual
ties, what do these nanoparticles from plastics

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or nanoplastics, what do they what
potentially do they do or can they do?

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And why is it terrible? So
we're not necessarily sure yet because there's

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no long term studies because we just
found out about them, right, So

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so there's no one saying, oh, well, you know, ten years

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ago somebody ingested these nanoparticles, and
and now we know that they're that they're

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embedded in their brain, in there
in their fat tissue, in their in

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their size. So we don't know
the cause of effect, but people just

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aren't aware of the fact that they're
there, is what you're saying that.

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And also we do know what microplastics
actually do. So there's microplastics that come

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from fish that come, you know, because like the ocean's disgustingly filled with

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with all the you know, all
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know, all of us, right, well most it's mostly actually Asia and

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China that are the big polluters.
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You can't trust the Canadian not at
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they used to. They used to
ship their garbage to the Philippines and just

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dump it off off of off shore. And they were going to go to

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war. The Philippine president said,
if you do it again, we're going

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to go to war. A hospital. Absolutely, yeah, And so so

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microplastics are being are being found now
in people's lungs from and very specifically they

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believe, Okay, scientists believe that
that of the lockdown and the mask of

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mandates actually are created the microparticles to
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I've seen that study absolutely so that
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is And they've explained how this happens. And it's a pretty wild thing because

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a plastic h the thinner the plastic, from what I've been told, the

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thinner the plastic, the more sloughing
of the of the nanoparticles happens. So

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so plastics are very like, very
much like your skin. So we we

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xfoliate and we slough skin off,
you know every day, like I mean

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millions and millions of of a skin. Masks and bottles they slough the microplastic,

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when you're drinking, uh and and

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especially thin plastic bottles are going to
slough off a lot more. The thicker

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the plastic, the more. What
about this plastic cup, I've got my

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iced tea and yeah, so that's
sloughing. So you're drinking on nano.

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You're you're you're literally drinking up to
two hundred and fifty thousand nan syrofoam cup

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that also contains my iced tea.
The cyrofoam is just really really bad for

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you. It's it's a poison.
So when you drink anything, especially hot,

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especially heated foods like coffee and like
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not it's not hot anyway. Well, you're telling me that this McDonald's cup,

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and I just say McDonald's because they
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be any of those fast food places. Yeah, this is terrible for me

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drinking out of absolutely, yeah,
yeah, absolutely, And the best are

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you saying glass only, Racco,
I've said glass only a Mason Jars.

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I drink most of my stuff from
Mason Jars. And add Ikea. They

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have these bottles that I actually took
the top from gross beer. You know,

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the like those flip tops. Remember, So the Ikea glass bottles have

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this plastic one on it. So
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put it on these bottles so that
it's there's no plastic. There's no plastic

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and uh and and there's a ceramic
that actually seals it. So so Raco

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suggests glass and ceramics for your drink. Absolutely, And and a stainless you

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know, and a stainless steel.
What about what about when you keep your

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leftovers in these microwavable refrigeratable plastics.
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Yeah. So and even you know, I mean I'm guilty of it

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on myself. I try to not
do it. But you know when you

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get when you go to the grocery
store and you get your meat, your

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grass fed, grass finished meat wrapped
in plastic, you know, you have

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microplastics in your food already, right, so we need to start, we

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need to start not putting stuff in
plastic. Being aware, well aware,

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awareness is the first step, because
if you don't know, you don't know

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well, and most people don't know. And that's why we do this segment,

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because most people just go along totally
ignorant. And you know, literally,

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you know how many cups of this
I've drank in my life. I

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would have to say hundreds of thousands
easily, right, but it makes a

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good sound in front of the microphone. Yeah, Well, I just want

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people to really know. And you
know, you're not going to be able

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to completely wean yourself, yeah,
because you're always gonna be on the go.

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You gonna get something here. So
so once we know how to get

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rid of it, you know,
because a lot, a lot of a

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lot of the microplastics are being found
in in a feces uh tests, in

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urine. There's actually microplastics in in
a urine tests now that we're seeing and

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and and all over our blood tests. So there this this is a big

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problem, and we still don't know
the long term effects of it yet,

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you know, because we could you
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a dementia issue here specifically from these
microplastics from the nano of particles.

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Uh, that could be you know, a brain damage, are tissue down?

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Who are you? What are we
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It's such a real crazy about the
florid thing. And in these ananoparticles

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is that the government and the CDC
already knew about it. They you can

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read about a floria, you can
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and still they allow it to be
yeah, ubiquitous in our in our

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food supply and our water supply.
Rococostelano has always very enlightening my friend.

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Thank you Guary. Jeff, you're
almost as well spoken as your son.

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Yeah, the night can't takes a
break and comes back at a few seven

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hundred WLW. You come back to
this nightcap on seven hundred w l W

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Gary Jeff Walker sitting down checking in
once again and tonight rejoining us Edimona before

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the first of the year to talk
about being in some really fascinating recording studios

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around the country and the artist and
the people that he met doing that is

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Randy McNutt. He was a writer
for the Cincinnati Inquiry, worked there,

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worked at Ohio Magazine, was freelancing
doing journalism, and then decided to start

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traveling around and going to places and
wound up coming up with these wonderful books,

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And tonight we're focusing on one called
Ghosts, Ohio's Haunted Landscapes, Lost

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Arts and Forgotten Places. There were
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but the things that were important as
we built to the future. I

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think that's a good way of assessing
that. Hopefully, Randy, you can

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help me with that. But Randy
McNutt, Happy New Year, and welcome

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back to the show. Thank you, Jeric, Gary, Jeff, I

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appreciate it all right. So basically
you did you traveled to all these places

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that were some of them ghost towns, other places that were just a shadow

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of their former self. So let's
start out talking about Boomtown and oil in

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Ohio and what used to be well. I traveled around to a lot of

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the ghost towns, which I define
it as a town that no longer exists,

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or one substantially smaller than it once
was, or maybe once swallowed up

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by a growing community, like places
up around Columbus. But I tried to

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find these things. Usually I just
roll into town and find somebody and start

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talking to them. But I had
heard about Wood County and it's up in

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central Ohio, and Wood County had
plenty of ghost towns, and it was

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somebody struck oil there, so all
the thousands of oil workers descended on the

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place, and it was Standard Oil
owned it, and they had Oh my,

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there were so many towns that they
just kept popping up and there the

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people just flowed in there, and
it went on for oh, I don't

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know, about twenty years, and
suddenly the oil dried up and everybody left

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town and the ghost towns just dwindled. Usually what happens is that these towns

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have a purpose. Maybe they're along
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someplace transportation oriented, and if something
happens to that, the towns have no

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reason to exist anymore. And that's
what happened up in Wood County. I

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mean, estimation, how many towns
were there in woodcot that were boom towns

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while there were still oil in the
ground that became ghost towns afterwards? You

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said they were countless, But I
mean, you got any idea of how

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many towns that popped up and then
just went away. No, I don't

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really know for sure, but I'd
say there were at least twenty some Oh

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wow, they were counted, yeah
yeah. And they were mainly just served

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the oil workers. And they had
shacks that were built by a standard oil

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and in them they would have beds, and then in one bed would be

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a worker who worked one shift,
and then he got out of bed and

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went to work, and another one
was coming off work and he'd get in

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the same bed. And that's how
I guess the term hot bed came along,

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because the other guy would warm it
up. Well, I don't know

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that I want to sleep in the
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But they, I mean, they
had they had banks and restaurants and

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bars in the whole thing. Oh
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a guy. I came into a
town called Signette, and it was the

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biggest town in Wood County that was
sort of the hub of all this stuff.

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And I knocked around and went to
one business and the guy said,

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you should talk to Max Schaeffer.
He's he's the local historian and barber and

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he knows everything about it. And
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tracked the guy down and it was
an interesting experience because Max knew everything about

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it. And he said, well, if you want, we can go

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out on the road and I'll point
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we're driving along and he would say
I'd just be driving. He'd says,

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stop tank Town, and I'd look
and there wasn't anything there, and then

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we'd take off again and he would
say Signette or whatever town, and so

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usually there was nothing there, but
he could remember all these stories. So

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he was born in one of these
little towns, and oh, my gosh,

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what would happen is they have this
thing called a go devil and he

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would put that down into the ground
and it would They would put nitroglyster and

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it would explode and then bring the
oil up. Well, as you can

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imagine, back then, they carried
this stuff in wagons, so every so

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often somebody they would just hear this
an explosion, and somebody would turn to

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the other one and say, well, there it goes Joe. And the

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wagon wheel would hit a bumper or
a stone or something and the'd shake it,

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shake the wagon and the nitro was
it was so explosive that it would

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just blow up, and it was
immense. And one time they had a

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gigantic explosion and that it broke out
windows for towns within fifty miles. It

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was. It was incredible what they
had going. But Max, he he

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saved everything he had in the back
of his little mobile home. He had

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a big shd and he brought all
this stuff out and he put it on

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his living room floor and he started
to get it out and he would read,

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you know, yellow newspaper clippings and
musty files, photos, maps,

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and so he handed he handed a
piece of paper to me, and he

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had jotted around all the edges of
it, notes and one of them says

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European Hotel girls booze gambling rough.
The European Hotel, he said, was

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a crazy place, one big fight
breaking out constantly. Once some guys fired

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a cannon into a wall, busting
a big hole in it. All the

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guests came running outside like ants.
Now, if you're wondering how those fools

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managed to find a cannon, I
can tell you for certain that in oil

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towns you have access to anything.
So that's that kind of stuff happened.

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As you're driving with Max through Wood
County talking to Randy McNutt on ghost towns

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in Ohio's particularly tonight when you're driving
around and he said, stop and there's

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nothing there was there, no semblance
of anything left. Was it just open

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fields? Were there dilavidated buildings?
Were their houses? What did you see

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a lot of times we'd just be
driving along and he would say dead town

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and I'd look, but nothing there. Other times there would be a few

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shacks or something. But in Ohio
you don't have too many ghost towns that

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are intact like out West, because
around here, you know, I have

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a lot of humidity and everything and
the wood deteriorates. There are some like

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in Shawnee, Ohio. It's like
an almost like an abandoned town, like

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a wild West looking thing, and
you can roam around. Nobody is there

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except a few people. But anyway, Max would would yell to us and

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he'd say railroad station, cup store, and I'd stop and it might be

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a you know, dilapidated house or
something. And so we stopped in one

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town and he said, this is
where I was born, And there was

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a couple dilapidated homes and one of
them where is where Max was actually born.

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I think it might have been a
town called Galatia. There was a

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few few towns left, and somebody
had spray painted on one side of an

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abandoned church. Haunted house, Entered
your own, entered your own risk,

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and so one science says former home
of Bob Evans. Max turned to me

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and said, the sausage man didn't
linger. I'll tell you what that's That's

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a good place to leave it for
the break. The sausage man didn't linger.

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Randy McNutt, our guest of the
Nightcap, talking about ghost towns and

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haunted landscapes and lost arts forgotten places
around Ohio. Up next, we'll briefly

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touch on the Miami Erie Canal and
the lost places that accompanied that. As

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we continue. Do you know how
much once ou WLW? I'm Gary,

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Jeff and our guests in this half
hour. Randy McNutt continuing to talk about

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ghosts, Ohio's haunted landscapes, lost
arts, forgotten places. A book he

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wrote years ago. It's part of
a three book set. Now is this

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Are these books still in print?
Randy, Yeah, they're still in print.

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They just keep going. I wrote
Ghosts in nineteen ninety six than I

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did the follow up Lost Ohio,
more travels into haunted landscapes, ghost towns,

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and forgotten wives. And then ten
years later I did one called Finding

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Utopia. And I know, you
wait, I know where Utopia is.

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It's right on fifty two on the
way to see my friends in Ripley in

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Brown County. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And when I was working

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at the Inquirer, I was the
bureau chief in Claremont County and I would

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get out and search for a lot
of ghost towns, and that was one

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of them. It used to be
a commune and it you know, they

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were they were communists and not like
we think of a communists today, but

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they were communal members. And so
that's what happened there was they had a

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commune, they grew everything themselves,
and then the Ohio River came up and

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flooded the place out, killed a
number of people, and that was the

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end of Utopian. It's not a
good place to live in a floodplain,

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no, no, no, not
really hard to get insurance there. But

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the all that's left today there's a
few houses around and a little store.

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But under underground there's an interesting,
an interesting little enclosure. I don't know

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what you call it, but it's
uh, it's under under the ground.

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You go down with the ladder and
you get in there and there's a fireplace

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somehow in there, and it's made
of stone, all all the stones,

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like a stone fence, you know. It's top bottom. It's just like

407
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:13.480
a room. And so I'd heard
about it and I thought i'd like to

408
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.119
see it. So I'm standing standing
out there and I see where it is

409
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:21.840
you can go down, and all
of a sudden, I hear this screeching

410
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:28.400
pickup truck heading for me a fast
beat, and woman jumps out and said,

411
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.480
what are you doing. I said, well, you know, I'm

412
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.239
writing this book. I'd like to
like to check this out. She said,

413
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.880
well, okay. So she gets
out a clipboard and she goes sign

414
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:44.719
here and it was a It just
said, you know, if something would

415
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:49.039
happen to me, she has no
responsibilities. It's what they call a c

416
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:54.920
ya waiver that yeah. And so
I went down. I looked and it

417
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:59.360
was an amazing little room. I
mean, I thought, what did they

418
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.039
use this? And so she said, well, it could have been a

419
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:08.239
chapel. I said, a chapel
underground, okay. And then there's other

420
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:15.519
theories about what it was, you
know, some kind of double worship or

421
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.599
play or something whatever. Well,
what about what about maybe just because of

422
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:24.079
the proximity to the Ohio River,
you know, and and Ripley down downstream

423
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.559
there a little bit and the ranking
House. Maybe it had something to do

424
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.360
with the underground railroad. Possibly possible, Yeah, possible. It was an

425
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:37.679
old thing, I mean it was. You can tell that it was built

426
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.719
a long time ago, probably in
those days them tell me about the Miami

427
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:52.039
Erie Canal. Well, the canal
was built in the made in twenty and

428
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:58.199
eighteen twenties or so. Yeah,
And it ran all the way across the

429
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:06.639
top of Ohio on down through the
western part of Ohio. And there were

430
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:12.880
ghost towns that were all along there
to serve the canal. The canal boats

431
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:20.480
and stuff that would stop, and
the canal would take farmer's crops and anything

432
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:24.039
else to be sold down to Cincinnati
and then to the Ohio River and on

433
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:30.320
down to New Orleans wherever it was
going. And a lot of the towns

434
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:39.000
were thriving places. One grew from
one thousand, five hundred people to twenty

435
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:47.400
eight thousand within ten years. Yeah, And so they were the towns thrived.

436
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:53.239
And the interesting thing about the canal
was that twenty years after it was

437
00:41:53.320 --> 00:42:00.320
built or made, it was pass
a and the railroads came in and that

438
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:07.159
their tracks ran parallel to the canal, and the canals boat came carrying all

439
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:14.679
the materials needed, the iron and
the wood and everything to make the tracks.

440
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:21.360
So really the canals helped build the
railroad that way and precipitate their own

441
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.920
demise in the process. Yeah,
exactly. And the canal, the canal

442
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.679
ran all the way down to Cincinnati, and it ran up around where Central

443
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:37.199
Parkway is today. And after so
many years, the canal wasn't used anymore,

444
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:43.159
but it just stayed there and it
was kind of a stagnant thing,

445
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.519
and when it froze and winter,
kids would get out and ice skate on

446
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:52.480
it. But all the hogs that
were slaughtered, their blood ran down into

447
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:58.960
the canal and it was just a
reddish brown and the canal. Finally they

448
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.840
closed the canal. An interesting thing
was that I wrote this book and I

449
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.480
had this story about the canal,
and one day I was in my office

450
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:15.119
where I worked at the Inquirer,
and a guy count comes up to the

451
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:22.639
door and comes in and he's carrying
these rolled up tubes and he says,

452
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:28.079
hey, I read your book.
I loved it. I'm an artist and

453
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:37.440
I've painted two painting, two pictures
of the canal around Cincinnati. And he

454
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.599
said, I've got limited edition prints. He said, I'm going to give

455
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:46.639
you the two and how nice.
You know, it was very It's very

456
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:53.679
nice. It showed all the old
factories around the canal and things like that.

457
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:59.920
I'm in the canal boats and it
must have been a very dreary place

458
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:05.239
to live around there. But yeah, there were a lot of these ghost

459
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:10.039
towns that were just you know that
today there might be something there, and

460
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.320
a few of them others they don't. There's nothing left. And so this

461
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.519
ran from western New York basically where
the Erie Canal started, and then ran

462
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:24.760
into Ohio, yeah, Middletown and
Hamilton and into cinc Yes, that's right.

463
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.360
Yeah, there was There were locks
in between to raise the level of

464
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:37.559
water, and some of those still
exist, one up in Excello near Middletown

465
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.639
and it's little park. Another one
north of Hamilton. There's part of the

466
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:50.039
canal you can actually see and it's
in a county park. But the Canal

467
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:55.880
still has places where it exists.
Down in Rialto is a ghost town,

468
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.760
oh off of Route seven four seven, north of the Tri County Mall,

469
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:10.320
and it's the canal is in the
old town, which is not much anymore,

470
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.960
but there's some homes and you can
see it. It's empty. And

471
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.400
I went through there and I found
some old guy that had lived there for

472
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.559
many years, and they knew of
a lot of stories from the twenties about

473
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:29.719
about this. But I was really
fortunate that I could do my book in

474
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:35.599
the early nineties. I could write
it and I had people that I found

475
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:39.639
that actually had lived in these places
or their parents had, and they had

476
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.400
a lot of first hand accounts.
If I did it today, I wouldn't

477
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.639
find them, No, No,
you'd have to find anything that they may

478
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:51.360
have written down, or someone that
might be related to them still around.

479
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.920
But yeah, thirty years later,
you're not finding any one hundred and ten

480
00:45:54.039 --> 00:46:00.400
hundred and fifteen year old people that
can give you direct firsthand stories. There

481
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:06.239
were a lot of that. The
canal is was littered with dead people,

482
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.679
mainly Irish immigrants, a few Germans, and they'd pay him thirty cents a

483
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:16.199
day to dig the canal with picks, shovels and wheelbarrows. You know,

484
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.400
they had no equipment to do it. And this would have been in the

485
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:27.199
eighteen twenties and thirties, and it's
said that there was a guy died every

486
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:32.320
sixth feet. Wow. Now yeah, and when they would when they when

487
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:37.960
the workers would get really tired,
one guy said, we'd give them a

488
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:44.280
jigger of whiskey and keep them going. And in one cemetery there's a thousand

489
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.719
of them buried. And part of
the problem was they would get malaria because

490
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.320
a lot of this stretch that came
down here was wooden and swampy. It

491
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.480
was, it came through the Black
Swamp. So yeah, it was.

492
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.119
It was a pretty hideous job.
Would I want to find out more?

493
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.119
Maybe we can focus in on some
particular towns again like Signet, like we

494
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.480
did in the first segment. But
it's always great to talk to you man.

495
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:13.800
You're such a great traveling historian of
the stuff that you've written, and

496
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.719
I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward
to reading the Ghosts books and series of

497
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:23.320
that because I've I just find that
kind of stuff like Lost America really fascinating.

498
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:27.199
Randy McNutt on the Nightcap. Thank
you, my friend, and happy

499
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:32.800
New Year to you, and we'll
continue and oh thanks for tuning in tonight

500
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:37.440
on the Nightcap. We're trying to
give you a reason to stick around.

501
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:44.679
So I thought nothing better, no
one better to provide some really really eloquent

502
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:52.599
and compelling stories and thoughts and opinions
than my buddy Andy Furman. But you

503
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.320
must have got the wrong number.
You much out the wrong number, real

504
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.719
compelling, interesting, everybody's I just
heard a click. I heard a real

505
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.280
big click right now, please come
back, come back, really, come

506
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.679
on, really, But the good
news is what I told to you first

507
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:08.679
of the Happy New Year. Have
you belated? Happy New Year? And

508
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.519
Glidu said, another year with you
on the big one. It's my pleasure.

509
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.679
Hold on. It was my birthday
December twenty second. You didn't say

510
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:21.400
anything about that. I sent you
a freaking Christmas call. What else do

511
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.840
you want to give? I mean, come on, really mean people that

512
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.480
have to have to hand out all
the time go on a street corner and

513
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.199
have your hand out, really don't
deal with me. All right, I

514
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:36.039
didn't get anything from you. My
birthday was the sixteenth. I got nothing,

515
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:43.480
not even a card, Andy,
you didn't get my gift December sixteenth.

516
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.800
No, and I probably won't.
I probably won't. Have you checked

517
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:50.880
for porch pirates in your neighborhood.
Oh no, you know what, Thank

518
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.679
goodness, they don't have any ext
You know what is a computer keek?

519
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:59.079
We have every freaking camera. I
could find their footsteps, their breadth would

520
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.880
be taken. My son is an
it genius. He's got it all lights,

521
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.880
camera action. If you couldn't let
ten feet I put a lot of

522
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.880
a lot of thought and some expense
into your gift, and I'm really upset.

523
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:13.960
I'm in fact, I'm to the
point where I'm saying I'm pissed that

524
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.159
you didn't receive my lovely gift for
your birthday. Andy. That's okay,

525
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.599
that's all right. Maybe it's the
US Post Office. But you know,

526
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.760
the beauty about my talking with you
in our little chats every once a week

527
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.039
is that I could sway away from
the world of sports, which I love

528
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.880
to you know, I love this
mid my life, my livelihood, you

529
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:30.280
know, putting meals on my table. But you know, once in a

530
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.280
while with you, you're so well
versed and you could talk about just about

531
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.519
anything. You really can and you
know, you know just about enough to

532
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.599
get by to fool the public.
You know about every subject. And here's

533
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.079
here's what I want to touch on
today. And if you if you think

534
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.440
it's boring, tell me. You
know, I watch TV and I see

535
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.559
commercials, and the commercials that scratched
my head. We're number one in car

536
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:52.960
sales, We're the number one most
watched newscas. And I'm saying, like,

537
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.880
shouldn't there be some sort of like
credibility factor. Shouldn't there be some

538
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:02.159
backup? Like who tell me that? I'm not trying to ben out the

539
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:06.679
TV stations. I love all the
TV anchors, I love them, all

540
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:08.559
of the sports guys. But there's
one TV station which I won't name,

541
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:14.039
say they were the most watched TV
station news in Cincinnati. It's Local twelve.

542
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.920
It's Local twelve, Andy, It's
Local twelve. It's obvious they're the

543
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.599
most well that commercial But how did
they say it is with there's no a

544
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.639
no backing up of that, no
numbers, no figures. So number two

545
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:28.480
B Channel nineteen has news like twenty
two out of the twenty four hours in

546
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.559
a day. How could they have
for to Channel nineteen? I don't.

547
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.400
I don't look, I'm not trying
to cause a ruckus or problem car dealers.

548
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.800
We're number one, number one on
what sales revenue. How do you

549
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:43.360
just throw out a number to an
advertisement without any backup? How do you

550
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.960
get away with that? We're number
one? And to me, am I

551
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.119
the only one that feels that way. Yes, funny, it's advertising.

552
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:57.440
Advertising puts your product in the most
positive way. Crew, So so if

553
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.159
it's got to be true, guests, doesn't have to be true. It's

554
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:07.639
advertising. Can you tell me advertising
as falls? I mean, when we

555
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.400
were calling something, when we were
calling ourselves, it's not going to be

556
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:14.800
that. When some matter w l
W called itself the big One, were

557
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:19.039
they talking about a personality swants or
were they talking about What were they talking

558
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.199
about when they said the big one? You worked here? When it was

559
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.400
the bag. They're the largest audience, the biggest ratings, and the also

560
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:31.079
signals just one just because we said
so, it said so, but wasn't

561
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.679
so. It was so? Well, maybe maybe a local twelve, maybe

562
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.119
a local twelve. On the way
on the Saturday show, you have joe

563
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.199
Le barbera, I love the music
professor, and I listened he's on w

564
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.000
d JO. They could not go
on the air and call themselves a big

565
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:52.840
one. They're not seven hundred WLW
is okay all right? So uh,

566
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:58.639
maybe Local twelve is according to the
rating services that they use to determine who's

567
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.000
the number, maybe they are in
act the most watched news in Cincinnati and

568
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:07.519
not Fox nineteen or anybody else.
Okay, if they are the most watched

569
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:12.480
news, and they may very well
be, tell me who told you that

570
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.920
you are pointing to two. You're
a news organization. You would not go

571
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.679
on there without a source. You
would not say that I saw such and

572
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.480
such getting shot in the street according
to who You got to have a source,

573
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:28.000
and there's no source there. That's
all I'm saying. I feel so

574
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:35.679
much better. There's a difference between
saying something in an ad and say and

575
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.559
reporting a news story that may have
life or death consequences. There's a vast

576
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:47.119
difference between that is self promotion,
that's rights, and it is something I

577
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:52.400
would purchase. I to go to
the advertising department of seven hundred WW and

578
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:54.840
take an ad out. If I
own the Hamburger stand and call it furman

579
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:59.800
Berger's and take them out, Okay, I probably had the commercial read we

580
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.480
sell the best burgers in town.
Who's gonna challenge me? You'll take my

581
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:07.320
money and run those ads. Well, there's plenty of people that might challenge

582
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.880
you when they heard those ads,
because I just can't imagine you being the

583
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:16.599
proprietor of a burger place where the
burgers actually taste good. Well, look,

584
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:20.800
I had a sports cafe. I
have Furman Sports Cafe back in the

585
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.639
day in Norwood, and I never
had commercials on the radio that said we're

586
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:27.559
the best pizza. We had.
We had good bar pizza, We really

587
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.239
did. I never said that we
had the best bar pizza in town.

588
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:34.599
I'm just saying that there should be
some sort of a monitoring device, a

589
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.440
monitoring person or agency that says,
look, say what you want to say,

590
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:42.360
but at least have statistical residence to
back it up. Again, I'm

591
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.760
not attacking News twelve Channel twelve.
I love them, I love Sheila Gray,

592
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.719
I love them all I do.
But if you're going to say you're

593
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.679
the most watched news show or whatever
by who, I'm sure I'm sure.

594
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.440
I'm sure it's Arbitron or Nielsen or
someone, and I'm sure they have to

595
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.679
stand up. Well, so what
is on the screen? Slap it on

596
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.960
the screen on the bottom of the
screen. Come on, that's all we

597
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:12.519
need more. Come on, a
more microscopic disclaimers on the screen. Those

598
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.599
things drive me to distraction. I
can't stand them. I never read them

599
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.639
because they go by their their smith. They're printed in small prints, so

600
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.199
you can't read them anyway. I
don't think it really matters if it's self

601
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:28.239
promotion or an ad Who are you
trying to protect by making them stand up

602
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.880
to their claim? You protect the
general public to protect people like you and

603
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.719
me, jeez, because I'm not
gonna believe everything I read. Come on,

604
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:39.760
really, you cannot. You cannot
protect everything they inquire way. You

605
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:44.000
could make fun of the Inquirer all
you want. And I understand sometimes the

606
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.719
news is forty eight hours late because
of the deadline, but I never challenged

607
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:51.840
the news stories because they're credible.
Their reporters check check and check. You

608
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.400
know, there's there's some credibility factor
here, you know, you just I

609
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:59.800
don't know. I don't know that
the Inquirer reporters check check and check.

610
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.480
They might check once. I think
they do. I don't know. I

611
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.960
think they do. I mean,
and they talk about the Inquirer. They'll

612
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.199
print anybody anything in their papers.
The hell they even print your you're up

613
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.440
in sometimes and they go over that
with a fine tooth. Cam believe me,

614
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:17.000
do they? Well, it's an
opinion, So what what does it

615
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:22.159
matter whether it's a fact or opinion. If it's if it's in the opinion

616
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.360
page and the editorials. It's an
opinion. You don't have to back it

617
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:29.280
up with facts. What are you
talking about? You back a pin up?

618
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:31.440
I did an opinion piece. I
didn't believe I did. I did

619
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:36.079
an op that piece, and someone
kind of with some NFL player who ran

620
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:37.280
for a thousand yards. It broke
some sort of a record, as say,

621
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.760
wait, run for a thousand yards, but they play sixteen seventeen ball

622
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:45.320
games now in the NFL. Back
when they play twelve games in the NFL,

623
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.159
running for a thousand yards with a
benchmark not now that's a that's my

624
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:54.400
opinion. I guess. I guess
they the people who signed Joe Mixon's contract

625
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:58.599
didn't take into account that it's seventeen
games and it's not a big deal.

626
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:04.119
After he just got a three hundred
and fifty thousand dollars incentive the last the

627
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.679
last week of the season, the
last game of the season, for going

628
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.639
over a thousand yards and scoring so
many touchdowns in a seventeen games. See,

629
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.159
you know what, To compare what
happens back in the twelve game seasons

630
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:19.239
to now is like night and day. Because money right now is not even

631
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.400
based on status's based on how much
my my other guy makes in that position.

632
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.920
The barometer was set in the quarterback
race. You problem Cleveland, where

633
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.239
Deshaun Watson made that kind of money. He pushed everybody up the ladder.

634
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:36.280
And that's what it's all about.
Stats nothing. That's what's something Saturday that

635
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.400
your stats don't do. Now are
incentives. You know, when Jamar Chase

636
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:44.320
caught those four passes on Sunday,
I'm sure there was something in his contract

637
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.960
that said he's gonna get another one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars if he reaches

638
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:51.760
one hundred receptions. That's what stats
are for now, incentives, not for

639
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:57.039
contracts, but for incentives. What
were they before? Four before based a

640
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.719
contract on that you had a bad
year. You know, hey, go

641
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.119
back, there'll be some history.
You know what when a bay Bruce said

642
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:06.000
he wanted one hundred thousand dollars back
to twenty seven. They said, you'll

643
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:07.280
be making more than the president.
You know what, he said, I

644
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.719
had a better yet than the president. He said he was right, He

645
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.840
was right anyway. Anyway, what
I was saying is, who are you?

646
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:21.079
You're trying to protect the general public
from an ad? It's just a

647
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:29.039
commercial andy, and just because because
because what give you say? In other

648
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.760
words, you you could watch anything
on TV and they could smook you into

649
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.320
anything, and you have no mind. That says to my scratch your head

650
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.880
and say, see, I wonder
where they got that stat from one If

651
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.800
it's true, that doesn't bother you. You just let it go like a

652
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.519
flowing water off your back. You
know what, I I sample, I

653
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:51.199
sample the product, and then I
just don't believe the ad. So no

654
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.960
big deal, no harm done.
You know what it's not. It's not

655
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.320
a local twelves or a car dealership's
job or you know, Burger joints job

656
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:06.760
to educate the public. They're there
to serve and there to make the money.

657
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.519
I've never been honest with the public. You and I are such opposite

658
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:19.000
as of the spectrum. The really
let me give you an idea of what

659
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.320
I'm talking about. When nobody is
honest with the public with their advertising.

660
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:29.039
I was a spokes now I was. I was a spokesperson, the radio

661
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.760
spokesperson years ago for Arby's here in
town. And I love Arby's and it's

662
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:37.480
a great franchise. I'm not demeaning
it at all. But when they would

663
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.480
introduce a new sandwich, they would
bring the new sandwich into the radio studio

664
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.960
so I could know what I was
talking about when I did the ad.

665
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.159
Now, when they brought that sand
when they brought that sandwich into the studio,

666
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:54.679
Andy, it looked like it was
it was concocted by a five star

667
00:58:55.360 --> 00:59:00.159
award, five Michelin Star, James
Beard Award winning show, Jeff. When

668
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.519
I'd go to the when I'd go
to the restaurant, any any of the

669
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:09.400
Army's restaurants and order that same sandwich, it looked and tasted nothing like the

670
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:15.199
one they brought me to convince the
general public that this was the greatest sandwich

671
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.239
that they'd ever come out with,
at least in the last six months.

672
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:23.760
That happens all the time you won, your name was attached to telling the

673
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:29.320
people out there have go out and
buy it because it wasn't meaning your satisfaction.

674
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.320
I don't feel bad about that at
all. They paid me and they

675
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:36.199
gave me some free food, and
some of it was okay. But what

676
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.480
I'm saying is if you look at
McDonald's ad, you look at an Arby's

677
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.960
ad, you look at any of
these food ads where they're showing the product

678
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:49.639
on the commercial, it hardly ever
looks like that when you actually order it.

679
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.880
It never looks like what looks like
on TV. There should be a

680
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:58.800
disclaimer under your guys, there should
be a disclaimer on every food ad said

681
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:05.559
product may not appear as delicious in
person. To be honest with you,

682
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.519
I'm not too sure. I've seen
a lot of those products and what they

683
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:12.880
look like on TV and what they
look like in person, I don't compare.

684
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.960
I mean, I see a lot
of Burger King commercials on TV and

685
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.000
they splap it on there for like
three seconds and then it's off. So

686
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.639
it's basically people talking more than eating
on those commercials. No, No,

687
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:28.440
you're trying to discount my correct argument
on this. Now, you don't have

688
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:34.079
to be you don't have to be
completely honest and advertising if you're saying something

689
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:39.320
that is patently false, that's another
issue. But not showing the accreditation for

690
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:45.480
oh, we've got the best burger
in town. You know, I'm sorry,

691
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.280
you just go way overboard. And
you know what, you think government,

692
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.480
some government agency, the FTC or
the FCC or some of their one

693
01:00:52.480 --> 01:01:00.400
of those alphabet overblown agencies we've got
that our taxpayer dollars are waste on in

694
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.679
this country for no good reason,
just to protect stupid people. I mean,

695
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:08.599
I'm sorry, you just are one
of those. The government is everybody's

696
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.800
daddy. No it's not. It's
not supposed to be andy. You know

697
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:20.119
what surviving dement protect. If you
don't have government agencies at least being some

698
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.000
sort of a watch dog, you
know what, you're gonna have the wild

699
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.920
West, the wild West, open
wild West like it was back in the

700
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:30.599
day. All I'm telling you is
this. You could have some schlock store

701
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.280
on TV telling you bring your car
in here, we'll take care, we'll

702
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.480
give you a free muffler, we'll
give you whatever it means. And it's

703
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:43.119
not if it's not checked out,
if it's not honest, what are you

704
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:45.840
doing? I mean, you've fooled
the public. But I'm going back to

705
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.519
my original statement here. If you're
going to make a statement, just back

706
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.079
it up with statistical facts. That's
all I'm saying. I'm not trying to

707
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.320
say being honest. To back up
your statement statistically and being honest. If

708
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:02.000
you're the most watched news program or
entity in town, fine, God bless

709
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:06.039
you. I'm happy that you are. But where'd you get that information from?

710
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.960
You're you're a news entity. You
said, no better. If you're

711
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.719
telling people you're the most watched,
tell me who told you you're the most

712
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:17.119
watched. That's all I'm saying.
Okay, let's see. I'm I'm looking

713
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:28.440
here. I'm looking here for the
ratings, uh local local news fact sheet.

714
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:34.000
Here we go state of the news
media. And I'm I'm not getting

715
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:38.239
I didn't I didn't enter in Cincinnati, So I'm sorry. Uh. But

716
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:44.800
what I was saying is is that
that is again a promotion. You're not

717
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:47.000
gonna say, well, you know
we're number two, but we're we're trying

718
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.239
real hard to be number one.
That's that would be ridiculous. That wouldn't

719
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.840
be the kind of advertising you would
use to promote your product. All right,

720
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.559
All I'm saying is this, and
maybe because she's never worked in a

721
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.440
newsroom, you don't unders stand if
they don't mention that. Okay, and

722
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:07.880
it comes out that they're not number
one, how do you believe any of

723
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:10.360
the stories that they do on the
air, because basically they're giving you full

724
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:15.239
shoot information to begin with on their
own party. Think about that. Think

725
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:21.159
about you don't argue with me for
the sake of arguing no, no,

726
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:23.519
you know I'm right, You're missing
the point. You're missing the point when

727
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:29.480
you make that argument with me because
I don't believe most of what they projects

728
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:34.840
news and on mainstream media. I
really don't half the stuff. Half the

729
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:39.000
stuff is proper. I want you
to have your mind or just down the

730
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:44.159
middle, get away from your your
normal thoughts process. You're seeing the station

731
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:46.760
that says were the most watched news
in town, most watched, okay,

732
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.800
and then it comes out that maybe
John T'sweather rights somewhere on this radio TV

733
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.960
thing, that they're not the most
watched that channel nineteen is And all of

734
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.559
a sudden, they still having these
stories. Aren't you going to see Wait

735
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.800
a second, that's the station that's
lied to me. They like to me

736
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:05.039
when they said they the most watched, and now you know they get this

737
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:10.159
story over here about you know this, this guy is going to blow up

738
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.199
a crater on whatever's going to be. I don't know this teacher is going

739
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:15.039
to get arrested. Is it true? Do I believe? I don't know.

740
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:18.559
I don't believe their own ratings.
Think about that for a second.

741
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:25.400
I mean, don't use John Keiswetter
as an example, not a good example.

742
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.840
Back when why not? You know
what? You don't have anything.

743
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:34.400
He's ANXI. He's an X.
He's an ex writer for The Inquirer.

744
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:39.920
He used to write media until radio
TV for w v XU. On his

745
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:45.960
website, he still he beats the
Inquirer on many stories he does. He

746
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.639
once featured me on the front page
of the live section of The Inquirer when

747
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:54.519
he was writing for them. And
anybody who's going to feature me as a

748
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.519
big deal and should be touted by
local news cannot be trusted. Ever,

749
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:01.639
Andy, listen to you. You
have you have like a niche to get

750
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.559
any deal, a which to attack
every person and everybody. You really do,

751
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:10.320
and it's not right. You really, I think you need professional help.

752
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:13.760
So I think you're going to see
some some professional people. And I

753
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.880
love you to death, I do, but I think you need to see

754
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:20.840
somebody just to you know, get
your mind. Would who should should have

755
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:25.840
you got? Have you got?
I don't know a psychiatrist, psychologists that

756
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:28.559
you think I should that you would
recommend. Now you're playing with me.

757
01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:30.599
You know what, I'm sure with
your listening audience, someone could call up

758
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:34.679
and say, Gary, I could
probably help you. And who's who's the

759
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:39.840
number one shrink in Cincinnati because you
could direct me to them? And and

760
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:43.039
you wouldn't know that unless, of
course they advertise themselves as that way.

761
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.760
But you know what, those doctors
don't do that. See first of all,

762
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:51.239
doctors and shrinks don't normally advertise on
TV. I don't think I thought

763
01:05:54.519 --> 01:06:00.559
lawyers, syster lawyers, they do
do, and they cause more instead of

764
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:03.840
bad doctor most times. I'll give
you an example by the lawyer advertising on

765
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.280
TV. All right? And I
wrote him a letter the other day,

766
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:13.880
Blake Maslin, I'm watching the Bengals
game, I wrote him. I said,

767
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:15.199
did Blake, I never met you. I'd love to meet you.

768
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:20.000
However, I saw your commercial on
TV and I wish you the best.

769
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:24.239
I wish your success. I'm sure
you have success. If you aren't watching

770
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.599
that commercial for the first time,
you have no idea what the hell you

771
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:30.920
do. It doesn't say you're an
attorney. There were boxing gloves with the

772
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.199
Bengals. I don't know that he's
an attorney or not. Think about that.

773
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:38.840
What's that commercial? When you see
it again? Right, are you

774
01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:44.239
ready to that? Are you ready
ready for what you do? Mil I

775
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.400
love that commercial. It's full of
energy and it has for the very first

776
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.719
time. If you just turned it
on, you have no idea what he

777
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:58.519
does, what he sells. Really, I'm just saying, and maybe it's

778
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.039
not bad it's bad advertising. Then
if you don't know what he does,

779
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:05.159
well, obviously if it's having a
success I've done most of his business might

780
01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:09.639
be word of mouth, I don't
know, and probably is successful. Maybe

781
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:12.679
with the Bengals, I don't know
what it is. If you can afford

782
01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:16.360
TV advertising, eat success might be
doing well. Yes, well, I'm

783
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.519
saying, is a PR guy.
I'm a I've been most of my life

784
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.559
a PR guy in sports. I'm
looking at that commercial and say, I

785
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.400
scratching my head. I have no
idea what this guy does. Really,

786
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.159
I really don't and just remember lastly
thing was out of curiosity to call that

787
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:34.039
number. Maybe that was sometime sometime
when you scratch your head, it's just

788
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:40.119
lice. Just remember that fur ball, fur ball, Happy New Year,

789
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:47.320
God bless you bye. You're getting
it in the natty. That's pointful of

790
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:51.599
us. Until the big timey statue
and this sea views Musketeers playing host egg

791
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:57.920
Yukon Husky. He's a primetime spotlight
event and the Muskies are looking to put

792
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:02.280
on a show. Get the call
live from the Sinta set tomorrow ninety eight

793
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:08.639
on seven hundred wl W and seven
hundred wl w's live stream on the Pretty

794
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:13.280
iHeartRadio app. It's the new year. Time to get credit card debt free,

795
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.399
wipe it all out now with the
loan Prado it's Eddie rates are joining

796
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.840
us. A guest has been with
us many many times, and he's back

797
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:28.159
so often because he has been so
often right about important things concerning the climate.

798
01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:31.640
The executive director of the Climate Science
Coalition and the author of Now how

799
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:36.560
many books are there? Steve for
Gary Jeff, Happy New Year, Happy

800
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:41.920
New Year to you. Started with
the mad mad mad mad mad world of

801
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:46.000
climatism, and then outside the Green
Box, and the newest one is The

802
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:51.079
Green Breakdown, Which one did I
miss well? The original was Climatism.

803
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:57.840
I wrote that in twenty ten,
and it was a hardcover book and four

804
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:00.920
hundred pages, and then I went
on with the color page after that,

805
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:08.119
with a bunch of sarcastic sidebars about
this whole thing. We love sarcastic sidebars

806
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:12.439
here, all right, Steve Gorham. The new book is The Green Breakdown,

807
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:18.800
where you forecast, and I believe
you correctly forecasted the coming failure of

808
01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:26.640
all these green energy plots and plans
to get us away from fossil fuels.

809
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.920
And we'll be getting into that obviously
in this discussion tonight, but I wanted

810
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:34.199
to start with telling you this morning. The first my wife always gets up

811
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:40.279
before me, and she's got what's
passing for news on the TV. You

812
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:44.640
know, it's local mainstream TV.
God bless them. They do a wonderful

813
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.319
job letting me know what the weather
is. But when they try to tell

814
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:50.920
me what the weather's going to be
six months, a year, ten years

815
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:56.279
from now, I have my doubts. So anyway, this morning I just

816
01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:00.239
got out and got my first cup
of coffee and sat down just is.

817
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:05.960
One of the news anchors said was
reading a story about how twenty twenty three

818
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:11.960
is going down on record as the
hottest year. Ever, how many times

819
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:16.199
do we hear this and it's simply
not true. Yeah, that's what they're

820
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:20.680
saying, and they are, and
then they qualify it. They say since

821
01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:26.159
eighteen eighty And it may be that
that is the case since eighteen eighty we've

822
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:29.760
had about one degree temperature rise in
one hundred and forty years. But they

823
01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.399
always say the hottest year ever,
which isn't the case if you look back

824
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.600
in history and use of proxy evidence
to go back in warmer times in the

825
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:42.800
past. But it makes great headlines. Yeah, well, here's the thing.

826
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.800
There was no disclaimer said since the
eighteen eighties it was And you know

827
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:55.239
what for the average television viewer who's
not hip to real data like you and

828
01:10:55.279 --> 01:11:00.079
I have become because this is what
we're studying. But for the average person

829
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:10.520
who number one has a limited amount
of information purposely I believe also has the

830
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:15.359
most of us have the attention span
of goldfish. If not. You know,

831
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.720
so, we're drive by news people. I think Rush Limball used to

832
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:24.079
call it the drive by news.
You just you drive by, you hear

833
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:28.239
a headline and you think, well, you know the story without them going

834
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:31.880
into the full details. So I
think that's what's happening. Again, I

835
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:38.079
think that's the case. Unfortunately,
it's most of these climate articles are wrong

836
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:40.920
when you really look, if you
look into the evidence, if you're going

837
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.359
a little bit deeper and look at
the evidence, you find that they're not

838
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:47.960
correct. But yeah, that's that's
the latest headline, the hottest year on

839
01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:55.039
record from the BBC, for example. But that record only that's the thermometer

840
01:11:55.119 --> 01:12:01.199
record down back to eighteen eighty and
there as many many examples of of when

841
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:05.880
it's been warmer in the past.
Uh. There's also news headlines about uh

842
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:12.760
there from ice fields in Norway that
are receding. They finding out all these

843
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:18.319
human artifacts from a while back.
Every time glaciers in Switzerland pullback, they

844
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:25.560
find horse bridles and wagon wheels.
There's a white spruce stump in the Northwest

845
01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:31.279
Territory of Canada that's that's about fifty
kilometers above the tree line. What's it

846
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:35.880
doing up there? They radiocarbon dated
and it's about four four or five thousand

847
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:39.920
years old, so it was warmer
back four or five thousand years ago than

848
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:43.239
it is today. I don't believe. I don't believe there were as many

849
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:49.119
human beings expelling CO two then,
and there certainly weren't fossil fuel vehicles or

850
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:56.840
appliances then, So what what else
could It was almost nothing until about World

851
01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:00.079
War two. That's really where the
modern industrial emission and start to rise.

852
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:06.119
And in the case of the oceans, for example, NASA points out that

853
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:12.159
the oceans have been rising for twenty
thousand years. They've risen three hundred and

854
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:15.960
ninety feet one hundred and twenty meters
in twenty thousand years. But we've only

855
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:20.039
been omitting any CO two since about
the end of World War two. So

856
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:27.000
these things are mostly driven by natural
factors, and man made additions are very

857
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.920
very small. Yeah, I mean
almost negligible, within just a few tents

858
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:36.000
or hundreds of percentage points, right, Yeah, But that's not what the

859
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:41.720
press says. They say, Boy, you know, we were in the

860
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:46.520
we've entered the area of global warming, the United Nations says. And I

861
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:50.520
was trying to remember if I talked
about Hillary Clinton on the last one,

862
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:57.159
former senator and presidential candidate. She
wants to start counting climate depths. Now,

863
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:02.000
she saw how effective that was with
COVID nineteen, when you could look

864
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:04.680
up every day and see the number
of deaths worldwide. Well, she wants

865
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:09.840
to do a daily total of climate
deaths worldwide. Well, so you know,

866
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:14.039
this is all a messaging thing,
and you want to talk about that

867
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:17.680
particular issue, and it's not your
field of expertise nor mine. But we

868
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:24.760
found out that about as many as
two thirds of the people listed as dying

869
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:30.399
from COVID actually died with COVID and
they died of something else. So even

870
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:36.560
those numbers have been inflated to levels
that stretched the bonds of believability to me

871
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:41.560
anyway, Yeah, they were distorted. But climate deaths would really be goofy

872
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:47.000
because all of the evidence shows that
warmer weather is better for people and they

873
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:50.279
get less. You know, all
our illness occurs during the winter months,

874
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:55.920
COVID and influenza and everything else.
That's when people get sick and when they

875
01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.720
get congested and all the rest.
And more people die during cold months,

876
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:04.520
warm months in every nation of the
world. So climate counting climate deaths would

877
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:08.239
really be goofy. A little bit
of warm it would be great. I

878
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:12.319
was out there shoveling snow this morning, and I'd have to start a group

879
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:17.560
called Chicagoans for Global Warming. Are
you do live in the suburbs of Chicago?

880
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:21.520
Is that correct? Southwest suburbs.
Yeah, it's really the first snow

881
01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:26.359
we've had this year. And even
I was talking to a radio guy in

882
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:29.000
Minnesota this year their first snow up
there. It's been a little bit of

883
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:33.720
a low snow year. But we
got a lot of folks predict that snow

884
01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:41.199
is going to disappear. Doctor David
Weiner of the UK Meteorological Office said in

885
01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:45.159
about two thousand he said children won't
even know what snow is. But the

886
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:49.279
crazy thing and by the way,
we have about there's about thirty lawsuits states

887
01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:55.880
that are suing oil companies around the
country, and particularly in Colorado. The

888
01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:01.800
ski industry is suing oil companies because
snow is disappearing. But the crazy thing

889
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:06.319
is that it's really not disappearing.
Your listeners can go to a thing called

890
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:14.960
the Rutgers Global Snow Lab at Rutgers
University and satellite data. They measure snow

891
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:17.560
extent, which is the amount of
area that is covered by snow every fall,

892
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:23.439
winter, and spring and the data
shows that despite a little bit warmer

893
01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:28.520
temperatures, we've actually had snow that's
increasing in the winter, snow extent and

894
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.920
increasing in the fall. It is
declining in the spring, but overall it's

895
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:36.640
very, very solid and it's not
going away. Snow is still with us.

896
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:41.279
And of course this year, if
anybody, even the drive by people

897
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:45.560
have been paying attention, they have
mentioned this on mainstream news. We're being

898
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:50.399
affected in this country by El Nina's
out in the Pacific, which is a

899
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:56.760
warmer pattern that has nothing to do
with man made production of fossil fuels or

900
01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:01.359
the use thereof Well, that's the
thing is Earth's climate is driven by cycles,

901
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.520
and our weather is driven by cycles. There are long term cycles that

902
01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:12.319
drive the ice ages every twenty to
one hundred thousand years, and those are

903
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:16.000
affected by Earth's position and our orbit, the tilt of our axis, the

904
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:20.880
precession of our axis. Then we
have cycles about every fifteen hundred years that

905
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:26.560
they think are driven by the Sun, which account for warm periods during the

906
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:30.920
Medieval Warm period one thousand years ago
and the Roman Warm period two thousand years

907
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:36.359
ago when the Romans conquered the Mediterranean. With those the soldiers wearing those short

908
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:41.239
skirts. And then we have short
cycles, short term cycles, as you

909
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:45.760
say, the Aino Southern oscillation.
We have a Pacific decatal oscillation, a

910
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:49.279
temperature cycle in a Pacific. We
have an Atlantic multi decatal oscillation. And

911
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:54.800
these things move a degree or two
over forty sixty years. And that's happening

912
01:17:54.800 --> 01:18:00.000
all over the world. And those
things are not from your neighbor's sport utility.

913
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.199
Well, these are these are natural
factors, all right. More with

914
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:08.159
Steve Gorham in a moment as we
continue on this night cap seven hundred w

915
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:15.680
l W Progressive commercial presss plung haul
dramas the night covered Dale's Ring in a

916
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.239
blink. Well, listen to the
author of the Green Breakdown, which predicts

917
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:26.520
the coming failure of all these these
green things that they're asking us to adopt

918
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:30.319
in our lives and forsake fossil fuels. And Steve, once again, we're

919
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:35.960
already seeing lots of lots of cracks, lots of chinks in the armor of

920
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:42.800
the green New Deal folks who are
pressing us to you know, collect cattle

921
01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:47.520
farts and stop breathing and stop using
gas stoves and all the rest. So

922
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:55.159
what is the latest example of that. Have you got an example where the

923
01:18:55.239 --> 01:19:00.600
green energy thing just isn't working for
people? Was a bunch of them.

924
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:06.119
You mentioned the cattle. We have
a lot of restrictions that nations are trying

925
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:12.840
to put in place for the agriculture
industry, and the farmers are pushing back.

926
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:17.640
In Netherlands, in New Zealand,
in Germany and many other places.

927
01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:24.439
They're trying to say, well,
don't use nitrogen synthetic nitrogen fertilizer, which

928
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:29.159
is used in about half of the
world's food production because it produces greenhouse gases.

929
01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:33.520
And then you got those problems with
cattle roaming around and emitting methane from

930
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:38.880
the nose end and the tail end. Some people are talking about feeding seedweed,

931
01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:43.680
seaweed. The cattle is trying to
so much for grass, grass fed

932
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:49.159
beef, huh, seaweed and reduce
those emissions. That's kind of a goofy

933
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:54.840
thing. Matter of fact, in
Australia, about ten years ago they actually

934
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:59.920
passed a law that said you could
they have these things they call a feral

935
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:05.720
camels. There's about a million camels
roaming Australia and emitting methane from the nose

936
01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:10.600
end and the tail end, and
they were actually giving carbon credits for a

937
01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:15.880
little while if you were shooting camels. So I think they've stopped that practice.

938
01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:19.600
But that was actually a law that
was passed by the Australian legislature.

939
01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:28.079
But there's a bunch of bunch of
crazy things going on, and these things

940
01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:32.239
are going to meet higher energy prices. They're going to mean electric electricity blackouts.

941
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:38.520
The more we push this green energy, let's freedom, because they want

942
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:43.239
to take away electric vehicles and your
gas stoves. And by the way,

943
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:50.960
the President invoked let's see the Defense
Production Act a couple months ago because it

944
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:56.079
was you know, must have been
a climate emergency, so it's an act

945
01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:59.760
that's supposed to be used in times
of war. The product the Defense Production

946
01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:03.880
Act Act to come up with one
hundred and sixty nine million dollars to subsidize

947
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:10.479
heat pumps for people. So that's
the latest. Let's declare an emergency and

948
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:15.319
try and use the Defense Production Act
on the climate, and then we're going

949
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:18.840
to have transnational energy shocks like they
have in Europe right now. In England,

950
01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:23.159
they have winter energy bills that are
two or three thousand pounds, are

951
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:29.760
very very high. People are putting. We've actually in New England, we're

952
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:32.680
over one thousand dollars in an average
size house for winter energy bills as well.

953
01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:38.520
But in England they're putting newspaper on
the inside of their windows. They're

954
01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:43.920
actually coating their windows to try and
cut down their energy use and insulate their

955
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:49.840
places. And the International Energies Agency
calls that being more efficient, but it's

956
01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:54.439
really a loss of standard of living. But this is why this is going

957
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:56.800
to break down, because people are
not going to put up with this.

958
01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:00.560
At some point, they're going to
demand a return to low cost, reliable

959
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:08.159
energy, right of which we have
in abundance. It's the biggest producer of

960
01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:11.840
petroleum in the world, the biggest
producer of natural gas. We kept the

961
01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:17.159
lights on in Europe last winter literally
between ourselves and Qatar shipping very large amounts

962
01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:23.960
of liquified natural gas to Europe.
We ship propane. Most of the propane,

963
01:22:24.039 --> 01:22:28.720
the liquid propane gas that is produced
the United States goes to more than

964
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:32.399
half of it is exported, goes
to Asia and goes to India where they

965
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.239
distribute it to people so they don't
have to try and heat their homes with

966
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:42.439
the charcoal or with cow dung or
other sorts of things. So we're really

967
01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:46.600
an energy pillar in the world today, and it's a great thing. Unfortunately,

968
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:50.279
it seems like our government wants us
to get rid of all that and

969
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:58.119
buy all sorts of expensive batteries and
metals from China for cars and put up

970
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:01.319
wind and solar and get rid of
our advantage in hydrocarbon fuels. Do you

971
01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:04.840
see a story where the green idiots, as I like to call them in

972
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:12.399
England, I believe, were slashing
the tires of tesla's. I thought that

973
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:16.279
was the answer. Drive a tesla, save the planet. Yeah, they

974
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:19.399
said they were big cars though.
See, big cars are bad. It's

975
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:25.600
not only ones that burn gasoline or
diesel. If they're big, they're bad.

976
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:28.119
So we got to get rid of
all the cars to put everybody in

977
01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:34.680
cities, get rid of the suburbs. Yeah, the crazy protests, no

978
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:40.960
no bound you know, especially those
people that glue themselves to the floor in

979
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:44.119
the museum. You know what I
would do with those folks. I would

980
01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:46.079
just cover them with the tarp and
I'd leave them glued on the floor there,

981
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.960
and when they were sitting in their
own waist, they'd eventually decide well,

982
01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:57.039
maybe this isn't such a good idea, but it's really sad what's going

983
01:23:57.079 --> 01:24:00.359
on in a lot of places.
Well, it's sad the idiot, see

984
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:05.319
and that just the nodding along to
the narrative that fossil fuels and carbon are

985
01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:13.840
killing the planet. The planet is
greening and see it. And we're actually

986
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:19.239
not at record levels of CO two
by any means. You mentioned the fertilizer

987
01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:25.920
that's being zeroed in on, and
to eliminate that, the nitrogen fertilizer.

988
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.720
A lot of people, a lot
of people have been attacking that for many,

989
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.680
many years, a nitrogen fertilizer.
One of the problems the Earth had

990
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:39.439
with agriculture was as shortage a fertilizer. It's for all of history, it's

991
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:45.560
been a struggle for farmers to get
enough nitrogen into crops, and they used

992
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:50.000
to use a manure. Of course, if you look, I've got in

993
01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:58.880
my in my third book, Outside
of Green Box, I had a picture

994
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:02.399
of a guy standing on skulls this
huge pile. He was like a forty

995
01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:06.720
foot tall pile of bison skulls.
What they did was they were killing the

996
01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:12.159
bison and they're grinding up their bones
for a fertilizer, and then off the

997
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:17.439
west coast of Australia and Peru,
they discovered these three hundred foot high hills

998
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:24.720
of batguano and bird guano and they
started shipping that all around the world.

999
01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:29.479
But by nineteen hundred it looked like
the world was just going to be short

1000
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:33.199
of fertilizer because the population was growing
and we didn't have enough. And then

1001
01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:44.039
a couple of Germans found a way
to synthesize nitrogen from the air from nitrogen

1002
01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:48.600
gas. They made an ammonia and
nitrogen fertilizer under high pressure and high temperature,

1003
01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.359
and they first they used all that
to go into the German war machine

1004
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:56.079
to build ammunition. But by the
end of World War Two those plants were

1005
01:25:56.159 --> 01:26:02.680
converted to fertilizer plants. Literally,
about half of the world's population today wouldn't

1006
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:08.920
be here if we didn't find a
way to create synthetic nitrogen. That's another

1007
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:15.039
thing that green idiots want is they
want population reduction. It's anti human.

1008
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:19.520
It's not just anti fossil fuels.
The whole movement to me is anti human

1009
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:28.399
because if everything happened the way they
see it happening to save the environment,

1010
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:35.199
they would actually destroy about a billion, maybe two billion, maybe more people

1011
01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:41.000
because they simply wouldn't be tenable to
continue to live and pay to live.

1012
01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.920
Tell me if referring to the new
book The Green Breakdown by Steve Gorum,

1013
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:50.039
I don't know if you've got this. I just heard this the other day

1014
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:55.600
though, that wind turbines, which
are such a darling of the green crowd,

1015
01:26:56.399 --> 01:27:02.520
actually require eighty gallons of oil to
operate, to lubricate. Is that

1016
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:06.039
is that something like that true,
Steve, as far as you know,

1017
01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:11.640
well they do they use. You
wouldn't have wind turbines without Without steel,

1018
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:17.279
which is produced from hydrocarbons. Without
composites for the wind turbine blades, which

1019
01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:23.319
is produced by the chemical industry from
natural gas and from from hydrocarbons, you

1020
01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:27.960
wouldn't have wind turbins. You wouldn't
have cement for the base. By the

1021
01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:33.000
way, when you when you produce
cement from calcium carbonate, you emit loads

1022
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:39.439
of carbon dioxide just producing cement for
for for concrete, and then you have

1023
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:42.439
to use a bunch you have a
bunch of furnaces to make the concrete.

1024
01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:47.239
So everything that goes into producing a
wind turbine is produced from hydrocarbons, and

1025
01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:53.720
that's that's often the case these it's
not only wind turbines too, it's it's

1026
01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:57.479
you know, we just had about
eighty thousand delegates that in Dubai at Top

1027
01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:01.159
twenty eight and they were all wearing
suits that were synthetics from hydrocarbons and shoes

1028
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:08.000
and ties, and they flew in
on aircraft that we're burning jet fuel.

1029
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:13.439
So our modern society is based on
coal, oil and natural gas, and

1030
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:16.760
it's going to be a long,
long long time before that changes. Well,

1031
01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:19.880
that's kind of refreshing news. In
the meantime, we're going through the

1032
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:48.119
birthing pains of people who are uninformed. And in it is the Nightcap on

1033
01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:53.039
seven hundred WLW. I am Gary
Jeff Walker, and our next guest is

1034
01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:58.760
someone who's a very accomplished guy.
I mean, he's the CEO and founder

1035
01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.800
of the Guard Watches, which are
really really nice time pieces, to say

1036
01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:05.920
the least. That's the massive understatement
of the year on that particular point.

1037
01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:12.119
Also was A Star and The Walking
Dead, which my wife really loved.

1038
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:17.159
I'm not too much into zombie things. He's also a filmmaker and he is

1039
01:29:17.319 --> 01:29:21.560
someone who people seek his opinion on
a lot of things going on because he

1040
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:27.920
has those opinions and he's brave enough
to come out and state them. Elon,

1041
01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:30.279
Sirillovitz, Welcome to the Nightcap.
It's great to have you on the

1042
01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:34.479
show. Thanks so much for having
me. I appreciate. I will tell

1043
01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:43.399
you that you're gonna hate this,
but I actually discouraged my wife from watching

1044
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:48.199
The Walking Dead back in the day
because I would occasionally make fun of the

1045
01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:55.600
dialogue. I said, the best
writing on that show is they really spent

1046
01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:58.960
a lot of money on writing in
that show, but actually it was a

1047
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:03.159
very, very grit which has legions
millions of fans still to this day.

1048
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:09.520
What role did you play on The
Walking Deck Politic? Yeah, I played

1049
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:12.760
a character called Wesley. It was
originally cast as a whole other character and

1050
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:17.560
they changed it for crazy reasons,
but yeah, it was originally I played

1051
01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:21.880
this character called Wesley who's from Hilltop. The show did get a little bit

1052
01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:27.640
convoluted after season five, for sure. It kept changing who was running the

1053
01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:30.000
show to start off with Frank Darbahn
and Scott Gimble and like everyone had their

1054
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:32.920
own view or vision for where the
show should go, And it was a

1055
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:36.920
much better show when it was more
character driven and out that like huge world,

1056
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:42.520
where there were fifty storylines going on
five hundred characters. It just became

1057
01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:45.960
too complicated for most people to follow. Well, yeah, and to continue

1058
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:48.960
that level of dialogue up from the
writers, I mean must have been brutal

1059
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:55.399
as well. But here's the thing
were did you always have an interest in

1060
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:59.279
acting? How'd you get involved in
that? Yeah? I've always loved acting

1061
01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:02.359
since I was a kid. I
like the idea that you could affect people

1062
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.880
by just going up on a stage
or on TV and playing these characters.

1063
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:11.359
And it also was an interesting path
to pursue as a career choice because you

1064
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:14.560
pretty much live a thousand lives in
one life. And I always love the

1065
01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:16.359
idea of that. You know,
you don't choose one career path. When

1066
01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:19.079
you're an actor. You get to
play not that you actually are, but

1067
01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:21.920
you get to pretend at least that
you're a doctor, that you're an astronaut,

1068
01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:26.319
that you're fighting in a zombie apocalypse, and you go through these really

1069
01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:30.600
crazy experiences that are on set.
You know, the production values sometimes really

1070
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:34.079
really high. It's almost like you're
actually living it. So it's just a

1071
01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:39.840
cool industry to be in in terms
of what you get to do. Maybe

1072
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.720
that's the key for a lot of
people. I get in trouble for saying

1073
01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.640
things like this, but I don't
care. Maybe that's the one of the

1074
01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:49.520
key components of or the allure of
the trans community is you get to pretend

1075
01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:56.039
you're someone else. Well, you
know, it's interesting if we want to

1076
01:31:56.079 --> 01:31:59.840
jump right into that, but yeah, I think there's a the hyper need

1077
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:03.760
for value in acting actually has a
similarity to what you see in the trans

1078
01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:08.720
movement. There's a lot of actors
who place their entire identity and value in

1079
01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:14.239
what they're achieving as actors, not
as human beings, and so they're willing

1080
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.439
to have very parasitic, unhealthy behaviors
to feel like they're valuable. And you

1081
01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:20.760
see that again in the trans movement
of people don't have an identity outside of

1082
01:32:20.920 --> 01:32:25.399
I'm trans. That's where my value
comes from, and so the second you

1083
01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:29.119
challenge it or question it, it
becomes this major attack on who they are.

1084
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:33.039
And again, I believe there's this
much deeper issue going on in society

1085
01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:38.079
nowadays, which has to do with
moral relativism, the destructive destruction of objective

1086
01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:41.479
truth, which ties into all of
this, which is why people seek these

1087
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:45.840
made up identities, these man made
identity. You are absolutely one hundred percent

1088
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:50.880
correct, in my opinion. There
are some serious, serious underpendings of as

1089
01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:56.560
you said, moral relatively, and
in this country, you know, this

1090
01:32:56.640 --> 01:33:00.439
country in particular, the United States, even its founders said that the Constitution

1091
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:06.239
was written for a moral people.
And you see these outside forces that are

1092
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:12.880
trying to tear that down. All
of the institutions, whether it's the Constitution

1093
01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:18.720
or you know, government or any
kind of guiding hand in society they want

1094
01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:24.840
to tear down, whether it's a
statue of someone or so yeah, I

1095
01:33:25.199 --> 01:33:29.239
believe you're dead on on that,
and it goes a lot farther than the

1096
01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:31.920
trans community. I wanted to ask
you too about the watch company. Where

1097
01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:38.520
did that come from? Guards?
So, yeah, my dad is my

1098
01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:42.399
inspiration in life. I'm lucky enough
to have a really great example what it

1099
01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:45.840
means to be a man. And
you know, he's helped me through a

1100
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:47.479
lot of stuff at some rough patches
in life, and he's really gotten me

1101
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:53.199
through them and he always stood by
me. It's just again a really great

1102
01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:56.079
person to look up to and I
wanted to say thank you to him somehow

1103
01:33:56.159 --> 01:33:59.720
when I kind of I had some
health issues that he helped me overcome and

1104
01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:01.039
all the stuff, and what I
wanted to do was get him a watch.

1105
01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.760
And I realized there was no watch
that really captured what I wanted.

1106
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:06.720
And I had a design background,
I had a background previous, and I

1107
01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:11.039
was able to prototype out a watch
for him, and that kind of just

1108
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:15.199
naturally ended up turning into a company. I made him the watch. I

1109
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:16.600
gave him the watch. People saw
it, some of his friends liked it,

1110
01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:20.279
put it on forums, people started
requesting it off of the forms,

1111
01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:24.880
and then we just kept going from
there. Well, we had the We

1112
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:29.039
just this past weekend had the Golden
Globes, or as I like to call

1113
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:34.439
him, the Who Cares Awards.
And I noticed in the pitch from AJ

1114
01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:40.960
about you winning a courage Award?
Was this on Tucker Carlson in his new

1115
01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:45.079
venue, his new format? Or
when did you win the Courage Award?

1116
01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:49.520
And for what reason were you awarded
the Courage Award? Elin? So,

1117
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:56.239
yeah, it was the Patriot Awards
from fostreple awarded it. Yes, yeah,

1118
01:34:56.239 --> 01:35:00.279
it was. It was during the
or a year after the defunct police

1119
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:05.199
movement things started. I had put
up through my company a campaign called Speak

1120
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:10.119
Truth. We did a you know
videos, we started supporting police and humanizing

1121
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:13.720
law enforcement and doing campaigns, and
about a year later they reached out and

1122
01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:17.399
they said, you know, for
your work, we'd like to give you

1123
01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:25.159
this award. Totally unexpected. It
was very surprising during the defunct police hoopla

1124
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:30.560
everything that went to see how no
one was willing to even just never mind

1125
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:32.520
stand up for police, but at
least humanize them, at least say hey,

1126
01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:35.720
let's just look at what's objectively going
on here. It's not easy being

1127
01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:42.279
a cop. Bilifying police as we
have for the past decade or more has

1128
01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:48.159
resulted in obviously a significant impact on
the quality of policing in terms of our

1129
01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:51.840
We're limiting them from what they can
do. We're constantly vilifying them, We're

1130
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:55.880
making interactions worse for them. So
of course it's going to have an impact

1131
01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:58.760
on them. They feel like they're
constantly under attack. And I was pretty

1132
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.680
much trying to humanize them, saying, if we want to fix this problem

1133
01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:06.920
that you guys see in society,
maybe the approach is one from a place

1134
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:11.359
of highlighting the best and people.
I've done this, you know, I've

1135
01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:15.600
done this with numerous campaigns, But
I believe that though if you want to

1136
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.800
help police, the way to do
it is to celebrate them. You can

1137
01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:23.479
still point out issues that happen,
but to be objectively reality based in your

1138
01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:26.600
approach to it. You know,
they try and generalize all police based on

1139
01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:29.399
the actions of a few police things
that would not stand with any other group

1140
01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:32.399
of people. And it's kind of
a similar approach to what I did when

1141
01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:38.000
I tackled the whole toxic masculinity thing
and did a response to Jillette, where

1142
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:42.439
we did a video called what is
a man Humanizing Men? And I always

1143
01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:45.960
use my company to do it because
that's my biggest platform, and it's important,

1144
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:49.279
I think for companies to put out
ads and messages like this that counter

1145
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:54.439
the ones that other huge companies like
Target and and Jerry's and all these companies

1146
01:36:54.439 --> 01:36:58.239
put out. You need to have
some degree of advertising on the other side

1147
01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:01.159
that counters it. So other companies
and even people in society see that it's

1148
01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:05.079
a message that they can support in. So many people are self censoring nowadays.

1149
01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:08.840
Well, if a company stands up
and puts out an ad people self

1150
01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:14.600
censor less in the era of cancel
culture. That is very courageous Elon,

1151
01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:20.840
and I commend you for that.
Also a filmmaker, what kind of films

1152
01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:26.159
have you been making just documentaries on
things that you feel are important or what

1153
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:30.359
are you doing with that? So
I was always fascinated by these two experiments.

1154
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:32.560
I've just been shooting a documentary y
act called Cancel, but it's really

1155
01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:39.520
on psychogenic epidemic, which are a
form of mass hysteria when a large percentage

1156
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:43.880
of the population starts behaving you radically
or believing things again that are objectively untrue,

1157
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:48.119
often resulting in some kind of atrocity
or tragedy in society. So I've

1158
01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:54.319
been seeing indications that a percentage of
the population is affected by a psychogenic epidemic.

1159
01:37:54.359 --> 01:37:58.159
I wanted to research it. There's
something called the Milgrim experiment which came

1160
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:01.039
out after World War Two, which
is the shock experiment where they shocks people,

1161
01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:04.239
and they wanted to see how far
people would go shocking people because of

1162
01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:09.760
authority. That's a real quick rundown
of the experiment. It's obviously more complicated

1163
01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:12.159
than that. But what they found
out is that people were willing to shock

1164
01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:15.640
people to the point of believing they
were killing them just because authority was telling

1165
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:18.520
them to and that the accountability wasn't
on them, and it wasn't that they

1166
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:21.279
didn't have empathy. They were crying
as they were doing it, but they

1167
01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:26.560
just followed orders. And then the
ash experiment is one that shows how in

1168
01:38:26.600 --> 01:38:30.079
a group, people will deny what
they see with their own eyes just to

1169
01:38:30.079 --> 01:38:32.479
fit in with the group, to
the point of believing in some cases that

1170
01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:36.520
they're seeing something different. And so
those two experiments inspired me to kind of

1171
01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:41.439
go out and examine the phenomenon behind
to see how much is that play today?

1172
01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:45.079
And we created a fake reality TV
show called Canceled where we would see

1173
01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:48.319
if people would cancel somebody how far
they would go to ruin the evening.

1174
01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:54.319
Yeah, it's pretty hardcore. Where
that Where is that going to be available?

1175
01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:59.439
When it is? Right now?
You know, we've talked to every

1176
01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:01.680
major plat there's interest from a bunch, so it's just a matter of where

1177
01:39:01.720 --> 01:39:03.960
it ends up. I don't know
yet, but there's some really cool people

1178
01:39:03.960 --> 01:39:06.640
in it. Jeorge Peterson's in it, Roseann bar is in it. I

1179
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:11.800
know this is controversial, but Alex
Jones is in it, and there's just

1180
01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:15.359
a lot of Jimmy Dores in it. We have voices from every extreme,

1181
01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:19.199
de Snyder from Twisted Sisters in it, so essentially we have everyone you can

1182
01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:21.800
go from, as much to the
right as much to the left. We

1183
01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:26.600
tried to get every opinion in there
and discuss cancel culture and kind of what

1184
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:30.479
people see in society. And then
we covered this this really great story of

1185
01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:32.760
this guy, Emmanuel Cafferty, who's
like was completely ruined, just a regular

1186
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:39.920
guy because of this phenomenon. So
it's it's an interesting documentary. All right,

1187
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:46.680
let's let's talk about biological men playing
women's sports with Elon Cerulovitz. The

1188
01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:55.159
USA Boxing has now said, yes, biological men men people who were born

1189
01:39:55.399 --> 01:40:03.079
as males can now participate against females, biological females, and they are going

1190
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:06.520
to the extra step of making sure
you got to cut your junk off before

1191
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:10.920
you can play. I guess didn't
they state that, or you have to

1192
01:40:10.960 --> 01:40:17.800
have genital reassignment and the hormone thing. But what is lost on these people,

1193
01:40:19.079 --> 01:40:23.640
I think lost on them, and
what most of us see is they

1194
01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:29.319
are very definitive biological differences between men
and women, whether they're on hormones or

1195
01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:33.239
whether you have cut their junk off. I mean, it's still men are

1196
01:40:33.800 --> 01:40:41.880
stronger, they're bigger built, and
they're faster than women. That's again,

1197
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:45.239
you would talk about people not believing
stuff and right in front of their eyes.

1198
01:40:45.279 --> 01:40:49.279
I mean, and I liken it
when you said that, I remembered

1199
01:40:49.319 --> 01:40:55.159
about all the reporters who were standing
in front of burning buildings back in twenty

1200
01:40:55.199 --> 01:41:00.079
twenty calling it a mostly peaceful protest. I mean, yeah, don't believe

1201
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:05.039
you, Pete the lion of don't
don't believe you're lying eyes or what the

1202
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:10.600
camera is showing you, obviously,
but so just your thoughts on this,

1203
01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:15.479
right. You want to talk about
somebody who definitely deserves a Courage Award if

1204
01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:18.600
she hasn't won one already. Is
Riley Gaines, of course, the All

1205
01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:25.479
American swimmer from Kentucky. I believe, yeah, Riley Gaines is amazing.

1206
01:41:25.520 --> 01:41:30.680
And there's this charity called Icons who
documents and gives a voice to all these

1207
01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:34.880
women who are losing places to biological
men. And not only that, they're

1208
01:41:34.880 --> 01:41:38.720
taking away these young girl's scholarships when
they speak out. There's a lot of

1209
01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:41.920
stuff happening behind the scenes, and
it's much more pervasive than people realize.

1210
01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:45.520
I only found that out when when
speaking to the people at ICONS about what's

1211
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:48.119
actually going on, and so very
troubling. And again, sorry, go

1212
01:41:48.159 --> 01:41:51.239
ahead, no, no, I'm
sorry, there's there's a terrible delay in

1213
01:41:51.279 --> 01:41:57.880
this line, so please just ignore
me. Okay. Well, the the

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01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:02.000
biological changes that happen for puberty can't
be undone. That's something that's very important

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01:42:02.039 --> 01:42:03.960
to know. People think like,
oh, yeah, you just go on

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01:42:04.039 --> 01:42:08.720
hormones and you do gender reassignment surgery, all of a sudden, you're biologically

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01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:11.359
a woman. No you're not.
You still have the tendons, the ligaments,

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01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:15.199
the bone structure, everything that's developed
over years is still there. You're

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01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:18.000
still structurally a man, and so
you still have a massive advantage. I

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01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:23.439
mean, if Mike Tyson in his
prime went through gender reassignment surgery, he

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01:42:23.479 --> 01:42:28.199
would still be and I mean this
honestly. Women would die in the ring.

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01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:31.039
He would crush them. And that's
where we've gotten to in society.

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01:42:31.039 --> 01:42:35.199
I mean, we've gotten further than
that. This is one step less extreme

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01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:39.159
than what we were doing with prisons, where we were putting biological menu have

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01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:44.000
the history of actually abusing women in
prison with women because they said that they're

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01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:45.960
now women. That's how far our
society has gone down the rabbit hole.

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01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:49.520
So is it surprising no? Is
it tragic? Yes, But again it's

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01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:54.840
our silence, it's our inability to
push back against it out of fear that

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01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:59.520
allows and this is the definition of
a psychogenic epidemic to take hold. People

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01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:03.199
are suffer because we're allowing them to
believe things that are objectively untrue, and

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01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:06.880
society is going along with it.
That is a psychogeneic epidemic. Do you

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01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:12.720
believe there was some of that going
on during what I call the scamdemic COVID

1233
01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:19.000
nineteen because yes, because there were
some things that patently not true, but

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01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:26.560
you know, the WHO and the
CDC and the drug companies all told us

1235
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:29.720
it was true. I mean,
as many as two thirds of the people

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01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:34.600
who were listed as COVID dying from
COVID only died with COVID, they died

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01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:41.840
of something else. But that ginned
up the fear and what you're talking about,

1238
01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:45.560
I believe, yeah, And people
were willing to be completely inconsistent in

1239
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:48.840
their positions day to day just based
on what they were told. In other

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01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:54.359
words, again objective reality and truth
stopped mattering. They were just seeking some

1241
01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:59.199
kind of peace away from the sphere
that they were constantly being, that was

1242
01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:00.720
constantly being in posted on them.
So the only way to treat that,

1243
01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:03.560
if you look at how a psychogenic
epidemic wor, it's one of the primary

1244
01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:06.520
things you need is for people to
be in a fear state, because they

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01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:10.640
will seek anything to get out of
that state. They'll hand over all their

1246
01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:14.319
rights, they'll hand over their power, their freedoms, everything, just to

1247
01:44:14.359 --> 01:44:16.640
feel better. And it's exactly what
we saw during the pandemic. We saw

1248
01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:21.399
people literally go from one day saying
masks are bad, masks are good,

1249
01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:25.279
masks are bad, masks are good, just based entirely on what Fauci was

1250
01:44:25.279 --> 01:44:28.880
telling them. We saw people saying
that it was okay to be at a

1251
01:44:29.479 --> 01:44:32.920
to have a million people on a
Hollywood boulevard torking in the street and drinking

1252
01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:36.119
champagne bottles with no masks on in
the name of BLM. But if you

1253
01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:41.600
went to a Trump rally and were
a outside, you were a super spreader.

1254
01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:46.720
There was no consistency between their how
they managed to analyze what was going

1255
01:44:46.760 --> 01:44:53.199
on with COVID. They would just
automatically accept whatever narrative was told to them

1256
01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:57.560
and vilify and attack anyone who disagreed
with the mainstream narrative. If you said,

1257
01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:00.560
hey, this vaccine is new,
there's no real data to support that

1258
01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.760
it's safe. I take a vaccine, not a vaccine. I take a

1259
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.880
medication, and I have to stop
taking it, which is a PCSK nine

1260
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:10.640
inhibitor because I have a genetic defect. Nothing to do covid. It has

1261
01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:15.920
to do a cholesterol anyway. This
vaccine or this not vaccine. This injection,

1262
01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:20.520
I think went through ten years of
testing, and even then after it

1263
01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:25.079
went through human trials and everything,
after ten years, it still had a

1264
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:30.359
run, a private run in society, and then after that they release it

1265
01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:33.239
to people like me. Even then
they still say that it's considered a new

1266
01:45:33.279 --> 01:45:36.760
drug. They give me a nurse
I can report to twenty four hours a

1267
01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:41.239
day to monitor and have to update
it costly. And we're talking about fifteen

1268
01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:45.119
years in of human trials. But
I'm supposed to believe that the vaccine after

1269
01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:48.079
one year of no human trials is
the safest thing in the world for COVID

1270
01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:51.560
without questioning it. I mean,
it was just an absurd No doctor in

1271
01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:55.800
the world would agree to that position. And then if you were a doctor,

1272
01:45:56.439 --> 01:46:00.560
a very very well respected doctor like
doctor Malone, they would attack who

1273
01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:03.720
helped contribute to the creation of MRINA
technology. They would attack you. What

1274
01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.399
he said, we don't know the
safety profile. They would attack you and

1275
01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:10.560
try and destroy you. All these
people who say listen to the science,

1276
01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:15.079
stopping a science denier were willing to
attack reputable doctors who are the top in

1277
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:18.319
their field the second the doctors didn't
say what they wanted, which shows you

1278
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:24.760
the great hypocrisy here. Oh absolutely, I love the term that you've come

1279
01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:29.760
up with, this epidemic, so
we can put it into the Cincinnati lexicon

1280
01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:33.720
and the people listening here on our
fifty thousand. What is the epidemic you're

1281
01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:40.399
talking about, Elon, Well,
it's called a psychogenic epidemic. It's a

1282
01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:43.279
term that Yeah, it's a term
that's been used to you start to sell

1283
01:46:43.319 --> 01:46:46.279
in witch trials. Is an example
of a psychogeneic epidemic exactly. I think

1284
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.439
more people need to rediscover what that
is and what it means. So the

1285
01:46:50.479 --> 01:46:56.199
next time this crops up and it
will there's no question it will people have

1286
01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:00.560
a handle on it. Oh,
this is a psychogenic epidemic. They're trying

1287
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:02.960
to start another one, and and
they you know, they're trying to get

1288
01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:10.399
us in a fear state just to
control it. Exactly. Well, it's

1289
01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:14.039
it's been very rewarding having a chance
to speak with you tonight. I really

1290
01:47:14.119 --> 01:47:15.880
appreciate your time. I know took
you out of your busy day. You

1291
01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:19.319
got so many irons in the fire. I'm surprised you've been picked up the

1292
01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:25.279
phone at all, but you Elon's
Rulevans. Thanks you very much and I

1293
01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:30.199
wish you all the success with your
company, E Guard Watches and the docu.

1294
01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:34.000
I want to know about the documentary
when you've got that ready, absolutely,

1295
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:36.560
I'll keep you I'll keep you posted
on it, all right, talk

1296
01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:42.479
about it when it's ready. Fantastic. Elon's Ruleovts on the night Cap as

1297
01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:46.039
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