WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:46.240 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host, 2 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:51.520 Alejandro Rojas, and I am here with nature Boy. I'm supposed to say 3 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:56.920 Martin nature Boy willis Wow. I'll take that title any day. I like 4 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.560 that. Yeah. I thought of that because you said you were out picking 5 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.480 blueberries in the field, and I can just picture you with your little bas 6 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:11.200 basket kind of skipping around, maybe some flowers in your hair. Yeah, 7 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.280 it was uh uh. That's one really great thing about Maine. We have 8 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.040 some beautiful blueberries this time of year, and they are so yummy, really 9 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:23.799 good too. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of blueberries. I love blueberries. 10 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.920 But you know, do you remember the Nature Boy the uh the Bugs 11 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:34.120 Bunny episode. No, oh you don't. It's a really good one. 12 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:38.840 It was a boxing one and like the first contestant and Bugs Bunny was, 13 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:44.120 you know, in his corner was Nature Boy and and this corner Nature Boy, 14 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:47.040 and they show him, you know, and he's kind of walking around 15 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:52.719 and in this corner Killer or whatever his name was, and he's alf wrote 16 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.280 this big, huge guy. So he he uh makes the little time of 17 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:02.640 Nature Boy. So Bugs Bunny him on and and and the hilarity ensues. 18 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.400 Is that the Tasmanian devil on the other corner. No, it's some big 19 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:12.840 dude, but he kind of sounds like the Tasmanium devil in it. So, 20 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:15.039 yeah, it's a very good episode. You're gonna have to look it 21 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:20.680 up. I'll have to. It's probably on YouTube. So and that's something 22 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:25.240 I don't know that the kids get is Bugs Bunny. And you know much 23 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:31.039 of my humor is due to Bugs Bunny. Bugs Bunny was highly influential, 24 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:38.240 perhaps the most influential television show in my life. Wow, how about that? 25 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:40.840 Now? Who was the character that did all the voices? He was 26 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:45.840 really talented, Al Schultz. I think his name was No, No, 27 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:50.520 no, no, no, yes, sure, I think it is No. 28 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.759 I'll have to look well, right, well, you could look it 29 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.879 at it some time. But anyway, well, Martin's looking that up. 30 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:04.240 Let's get back to UFO business. And speaking of UFO business, the guests 31 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.280 we have today is all up in the UFO's business, and that is Earl 32 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:13.800 Gray Anderson. So you may have heard me, yeah, talk about him 33 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.840 because some of the cases that Martin and I have talked about are cases that 34 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:23.599 he has handled or will be handling. In California, and so I talked 35 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:27.360 about him so much, I thought, you know what'd be great to actually 36 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.159 talk to him in person and record it and have it on the show and 37 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:35.879 see what he thinks about UFO hunting out there in California and how he got 38 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:40.960 involved. And I'm glad I did because I think his story is fascinating, 39 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:46.560 so really cool stuff. So we've got Earl Gray a move on UFO Field 40 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:52.800 Investigator coming up in just a few minutes. However, prior to that, 41 00:03:53.599 --> 00:04:00.639 we are talking to mister Willis, who talks to us about UFO news. 42 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.520 First of all, I have to say that's mel blank is the voice. 43 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:09.960 Oh mel blank? Yeah? Yeah remember that now, does it? Yeah? 44 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.479 Sounds familiar? Yeah, yeah, he was talented. He did all 45 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.600 the voices. Anyway, back to UFOs, as you're saying, and uh, 46 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:24.199 also, I'm glad to hear we are on the new radio station. 47 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:27.439 You wanted to bring that up, right? Oh I already did. Oh 48 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.480 you did? Where was I? I was me Brooks? Yeah, yeah, 49 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.680 had to him on your high hel Brooks. But anyway, I had 50 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.199 it before. Well you know, maybe I haven't. Maybe I was talking 51 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:42.680 about it, uh somewhere else but yes we're on kg r A. Thanks 52 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.279 for bringing that up. I guess it was last show. We've talked about 53 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.839 it and it's a lot of fun. Yeah, and say hi to Race 54 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:54.639 if you're listening. Race, Yeah, mister Race, Hobbs Race obviously pushing 55 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:58.519 the buttons and stuff behind the scenes. That's right, that's right. Well, 56 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:02.560 I want to talk about a an event that happened a long time ago, 57 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:08.040 but the guy just recently reported it, and that was a It was 58 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:14.399 a massive metallic triangle in Georgia. This happened back on June first, he 59 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.360 remembers the date, June first, two thousand and eight. So he was 60 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:24.160 driving, He was driving home with a friend and they was headed from Cartersbilt 61 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:30.120 to Canton, Georgia. That is not far away from Atlanta. And so 62 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:36.439 this object was very large and strange according to him. And what is really 63 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:41.759 amazing is that he decided not to tell his friend that was driving. He 64 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.839 was in the passenger side. He decided not to tell his friend about it 65 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:48.879 because he didn't want his friend to think that he was nuts. According to 66 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:55.920 him, so was massive in size and it was the most beautiful chromish metallic 67 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.439 thing he had ever seen. This is according to him, and like I 68 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.160 said, he was so shocked he couldn't even tell his friend, and he 69 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:11.480 waited all this time to actually report it. And you know his in his 70 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:14.600 own words, he was saying, he's seen things in his life he couldn't 71 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:19.199 explain. However, he would find a way to explain them in some way 72 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:23.800 or another. But this craft itself, he thought there was no way to 73 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:28.519 explain away unless it was some type of government craft that is something you do 74 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.279 here a lot. But he said, it didn't appear as if it was 75 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.519 moving at all. It was almost stationary, and there was another little plane 76 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:40.680 in the sky, but he couldn't he couldn't look at anything else but this 77 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:46.199 as he was riding along. And there's a really nice illustration that was entered. 78 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:51.160 I don't know if he did this graphic himself or if that was someone 79 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:57.120 else did it, but it's a check it out. It's writ in the 80 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.439 story. I like the graphic. Although what I on my mind as Georgia, 81 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:06.360 Sweet Georgia, Got Georgia, ah my mom. I don't know why 82 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:10.040 every time I hear about Georgia, I think of that song. I guess 83 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:14.240 I just love it. But yes, This is a really cool sighting. 84 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.680 I mean, it's so strange, this silver triangle. I haven't heard of 85 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:24.040 a chrome kind of metallic triangle story before, and this one, like you 86 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.720 said, you know, really floored this guy. He didn't even tell the 87 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.519 person driving the car because he was so nervous about looking like a goofball. 88 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.600 But yeah, he did a great job on the illustration. It was kind 89 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:41.040 of a funny little side note he put in there that he actually works with 90 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.519 paints, you know, spray paints and stuff, and that he would have 91 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:51.319 done a better graphic. He was kind of someone you can tell who's artsy 92 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:56.720 and was embarrassed about his depiction. But I think it's great. It really 93 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.759 gives you a feel for what this person seems to have witnessed or experienced, 94 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:07.279 and it's really really weird. It does sound like it could be man made, 95 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:13.360 some sort of you know, experimental man made aircraft using a type of 96 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:20.959 cloaking technology. But I mean, even if you had a shiny well, 97 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:24.639 you wouldn't want something to be super shiny because then it would just reflect the 98 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:30.519 sun. So I don't know's it's weird that's true. Also, I don't 99 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.360 I don't know about You know, I don't know about you, but if 100 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.159 I saw something really really strange, I wouldn't care. I would, you 101 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.840 know, I'd want to have more witnesses and yeah, you know, to 102 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.200 the person next to me exactly, Yeah, I would feel that way too. 103 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.240 I'd be like, check this out, check this out. You know. 104 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.639 I'd want them to have their own experience, and then I would want 105 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:56.440 them to relay their experience separate from mine, to an investigator too, so 106 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:00.279 they can get their interpretation, which is important. You know, something think 107 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:07.440 about when you for UFO witnesses is that it is important to not talk to 108 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.360 each other. Okay, right, so then you influence each other's memory. 109 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:22.000 It's better to both write down what you experienced independently as soon as possible, 110 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:28.799 and then you can really relay that. And you know, memory they've discovered 111 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.039 is highly, highly manipulative. It's once people start to talk about stuff, 112 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:39.279 then they begin to their memory begins to change. So if you write it 113 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:45.039 down immediately, you need to refer to your own reference and trust yourself that 114 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:48.960 you had done something. Don't edit your initial thoughts, don't change them or 115 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.679 alter them in any way, because they're going to be the most accurate record. 116 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.360 You know, that is really really good advice that you just gave. 117 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:03.600 And you know, I had Class Fond from Sweden on my show recently, 118 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:09.080 and that's exactly what him and his wife did. When they were driving along 119 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.720 they saw these cross shaped UFOs like glowing in the sky like I think there 120 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.279 were five of them, and he said to his wife's ays, don't say 121 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.600 anything. And they got to their house and went inside and they went in 122 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:26.559 separate rooms and wrote everything down. And that's exactly, you know, what 123 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.320 you just said, And it is really a good idea to do that. 124 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:35.639 And it's really hard to understand how your memory can be manipulated, but it 125 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.480 does indeed happen. And I wonder about my own sighting if there's some things 126 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:46.120 in it now that you know that may be different than I remember. Yeah, 127 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:52.320 memory is very malleable, and there has just been steady after steady after 128 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.799 steady. One of the seties I read, what's interesting is they had people 129 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.519 write down what they witnessed right when it happened, and then they had a 130 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.039 group not write down what they had happened. And the group that was interviewed 131 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:09.039 later that had not written it down had remembered better, interestingly enough, But 132 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.440 it comes back to law enforcement. So the point was that once you write 133 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.399 down your experience, people don't try to remember it accurately anymore. So at 134 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.879 that point the memory really gets jaded and messed up. Where the people who 135 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.759 try to remember their citing at least remembered more for a period of time, 136 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.720 but still over time your memory gets messed up, and any questions a police 137 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:39.360 offer officer asks a witness influences and changes their memory just simply by asking the 138 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.600 question. So it's something that's why they do a lot of these studies to 139 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:52.240 train law enforcement, so they're not influencing the witness unintentionally. You do hear 140 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.759 a lot in those cases. Well, they'll cite something along the lines where 141 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:03.919 you know, the recollection was not consistent. In other words, you know 142 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:07.480 changes over time, and I be part of that is a natural you know 143 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:13.279 condition. Yeah, yeah, very interesting stuff. So, yeah, that's 144 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:18.159 a great case. People check that out. Another cool thing. I'm really 145 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.399 excited to talk to you about this. This is a lot of fun. 146 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.519 This is a survey that some people contacted me. So this organization, this 147 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:31.639 group did a survey and they were asked by twentieth Century Fox and the Phoenix 148 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.000 Forgotten film to do this, and they probably got a hold of me because 149 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:41.480 I did a lot of working with Phoenix Forgotten to do some promotion on the 150 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.919 movie, just to talk about UFOs and the Phoenix life. So the survey 151 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:52.240 that was done is yes about Americans belief and aliens. They interviewed about seventeen 152 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.360 hundred people, and what they found is interesting. Now, they highlighted some 153 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.200 points such as you know, in their survey, forty seven percent of Americans 154 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.600 said they believed in aliens. That's pretty interesting. But then they went on 155 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:11.759 to ask about alien abduction and it was less than twenty percent that believed in 156 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:18.480 alien abduction, but still a higher number than I would have thought. And 157 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.320 then there was even less than that who I claimed that they had seen a 158 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:28.799 UFO. But there were some other interesting statistics. So sixteen point seventy four 159 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.399 percent claimed to have seen the UFO. That's not too surprising, you know, 160 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:39.399 not everybody sees one. But twenty seven percent said they knew someone who 161 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:45.559 had reported a UFO. That number actually might even be kind of low. 162 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.320 This is kind of cool. Out of everybody they talked to, forty five 163 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:56.039 point five percent said they had heard of the Phoenix Lights event. That's pretty 164 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.639 surprising to me. Wow, isn't that crazy? That is now, what 165 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:07.600 was the group of people that they surveyed. It was a widespread group, 166 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:13.200 so the numbers I got the link and I had looked at it, but 167 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.080 it was about fifty to fifty male female. It was people from all over 168 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:22.799 the country, so it was a pretty wide group of people. I was 169 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:30.360 just wondering because when it comes down to the amount of people that actually, 170 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:35.200 you know, claim that they had sightings, and I wondered about how where 171 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.759 they came up with twenty seven percent. And the reason I'm wondering that is 172 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.039 how many people would actually ask someone, you know, a friend or something, 173 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:48.279 have you ever seen a UFO unless they'd actually seen one themselves. You 174 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.919 know, it's kind of a well, that's a good point. So these 175 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.919 are probably people who did not ask anybody. I think a lot of times 176 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.000 it just comes up. You know, sometimes friends see something and they're excited 177 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:01.120 about it, and so they tell their friend, oh my gosh, I 178 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:07.000 saw you afote. But I think to your point is a lot of people 179 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.200 will not have shared that information. So even though twenty percent knew of a 180 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:16.919 friend who had seen something. Probably if people were actively asking their friends that 181 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:22.320 that hire might be, that number might be higher. But this was kind 182 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:28.120 of cool, and this wasn't surprising eighty percent of the Arizonans because they did 183 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:33.799 have about three hundred Arizonans in the survey. Eighty percent said they knew about 184 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.120 the Phoenix lights and that's not too surprising to me because it's in the news 185 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:45.159 out here quite a bit. But there are some other interesting things. So 186 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.679 for instance, they asked, do you think the Phoenix lights could have been 187 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:54.000 caused by aliens? Sixty seven percent said yes. Wow. Yeah, that's 188 00:15:54.039 --> 00:16:00.240 a lot of people open to the idea that the Phoenix lights with some kind 189 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.559 of big alien spacecraft. So that's pretty interesting. That is something and you 190 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:11.360 know, I guess mainly from the people that were following that. I mean, 191 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:15.919 how would you explain something that people were describing as you know, a 192 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.320 mile wide or large? Yeah, you know, be really hard to figure 193 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:23.120 out what the heck it was if it wasn't yeah, alien. And what's 194 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:26.679 cool about that too, is that it seems the majority of people out there 195 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:33.840 do believe the witnesses that you know, they did experience something that was really 196 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.960 strange and large and silent, So that's kind of cool, yeap. Some 197 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:44.639 more great questions that were asked is if they felt that that aliens would have 198 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:49.720 friendly or hostile intentions. And this is despite I made a note that you 199 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.480 know this movie Phoenix Forgotten, the aliens are bad dudes who kind of hurt 200 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:57.039 people. And then there was a movie called The Phoenix Incident, and some 201 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:02.320 of my listeners might remember, you know, interview Mike Aram who made that 202 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:06.960 movie, and and that also had some aliens who hurt people and stuff. 203 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:12.680 But only nine percent were sure that aliens would be hostile, twenty five percent 204 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:18.920 believed that they would be friendly, and sixty six percent said I'm just not 205 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:23.400 sure. Yeah, I think I'm in that sixty six yeah, who knows. 206 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.200 So some other funny questions are some questions they asked, some of which 207 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:32.720 were a bit you know, silly or funny, but they asked, what 208 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:37.519 do you think abductions are? Why do you think abductions have taken place? 209 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:44.720 The majority, forty seven point nine percent said genuine interest in human anatomy. 210 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:52.680 The next one thirty seven percent said medical experiments. The rest of the people 211 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.680 are a lot of people. Thirty percent said none of the above, but 212 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.759 twenty five percent said future colonization, So twenty five percent, well, yeah, 213 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:06.160 they're going to collize this, and then a similar to the none of 214 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.960 the above, five percent said other, U, but we don't know what 215 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:15.799 that other was. So other questions, who would you volunteer to be abducted 216 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:21.160 by aliens? I don't think anybody should be volunteering anybody for that, but 217 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.400 the majority was no one, so that's kind of nice. Forty eight percent 218 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:32.559 said I'm not going to do that. That's mean, but about nineteen percent 219 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:40.160 said a frenemie, seventeen percent said myself, nine percent said a colleague, 220 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:45.240 eight percent said their significant other, that's kind of scary, yeah, and 221 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.039 five percent said all the aboves, so they would nominate all kinds of people. 222 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.359 They're clicking off. Okay, here's a list of people to abduct, 223 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:56.039 and then the other and eight percent said other, but I'm not sure what 224 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:00.839 that was. What do you think it would be like to be abducted? 225 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:06.759 Seventy four percentage said terrifying. I think that that's most accurate. Twenty eight 226 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:14.039 percent said enlightening, twenty percent said deadly eleven percent said fun, I don't 227 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:18.880 know who these eleven percenters are, and then about three percent other And then 228 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:23.400 finally, what would you do if you found footage of an alien abduction? 229 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:29.960 Because this movie was a found footage movie, so was the Phoenix incident, 230 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:34.880 So if you found footage, you know, some VHS tapes. First of 231 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.039 all, a lot of people wouldn't know what to do with VHS tapes, 232 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:41.319 but you and I, of course are old enough to know and may even 233 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.079 have players. So we popped it in our player, and you know, 234 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.960 it looks like a credible abduction event. What would you do with it? 235 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.519 Fifty percent said send it to the press, thirty percent said post it on 236 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:59.079 social media, twenty about the same, A little less said bring it to 237 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.799 the military, and then fifteen percent said bury it. They would not want 238 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.640 the world to they would bury it. That's kind of weird, isn't it. 239 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.799 Wow? Yeah? Yeah, What would you do in that case? 240 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:17.759 Oh? What would I do? I would? I guess it would depend. 241 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.119 I would go to the press. I would first try to verify it, 242 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.039 though, but I would work with colleagues, some of which are in 243 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:29.240 the press, and then I would probably release it. Of course, on 244 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.039 our site. So then I'd post it to social media and everything. And 245 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.279 luckily we have press that look at our site, so then I think it 246 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.640 would get out to the press. But I would want to have, you 247 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.960 know, some credibility attached to it, so I document how I found it 248 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:48.599 and what some credible people, colleagues, you know, feel about it. 249 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:53.759 So what about you? Sounds good? I would call you, Oh, 250 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.400 thank you. Yeah, yeah, we'll break oeter on it. Yeah, 251 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:04.200 help me like I do off ye. So yeah, we wouldn't bury it. 252 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.119 That doesn't seem to be the best solution. No, no, no, 253 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.519 no, yeah, why would you do that? Yeah? I don't 254 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:14.000 know. Maybe it's maybe it's just scary to them or somehow or something. 255 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.400 Yeah, you're afraid that humanity, of what humanity might do with it or 256 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.359 something. I don't know. But that's a pretty cool survey. It's pretty 257 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.240 interesting, isn't it. Yeah, it's really really great. I'm glad that 258 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.880 people actually participated in it, you know. M Yeah, it's really important 259 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:37.039 to the questions because do you believe in aliens? It's such a broad question, 260 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.640 you know, and it's a poor question because there's so many nuances to 261 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:47.759 that. If you said, you know, do you believe that perhaps there 262 00:21:47.799 --> 00:21:55.079 are is there are you know, maybe microbes on Mars or something like that. 263 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.119 That's you know, you might get more people to answer or something. 264 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:02.960 Do you believe that there's you know, at least some sort of microbes on 265 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.720 some planet? People might say yes, But aliens, you know, may 266 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.400 invoke the idea of you know, like et or something, and then people 267 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:18.759 are probably more skeptical of that idea. Yeah, although I think that you're 268 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.960 going to see that just grow and grow with, you know, the more 269 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:26.680 discoveries there are of you know, earthlike planets out there. I mean it 270 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.839 just the odds are just so high. Now, it's if and you also 271 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:34.920 wonder, when they're serving across section of people, how many people even have 272 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:41.079 an interest in any of this, or you know, they're just replying off 273 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.480 the cuff of what they think. Yeah, And I wonder even to this 274 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:51.559 day, if people know that the majority of NASA scientists and essentially what NASA 275 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:56.240 is doing so much of is looking for aliens. They're looking, of course 276 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.400 for that microbe or they're looking for evidence of some sort of life, not 277 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:06.680 necessarily intelligent life out there. But there's a lot of people who don't follow 278 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.720 nasauro science enough they might not even know of, you know, some of 279 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:15.599 the developments lately in that area. That's so true. Really, yeah, 280 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:22.200 people need to get edgumicated. That's right, that's right, especially on this 281 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.920 topic. So yeah, So that's a really fun news story that I'm glad 282 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.079 we got to talk about, and thank you so much to the people who 283 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.920 sent it to me. They didn't want any publicity, so I won't mention 284 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.880 the name of the group that did it, but they wanted to make sure 285 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:44.000 that Phoenix forgotten in twentieth century. Fox got all the credit for the survey, 286 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.400 and I'm glad they did it, and really interesting and it's cool they 287 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:52.400 came to me. That is great, And it's all right for someone to 288 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.640 share this from your site, right oh heck, yeah please do yeah, 289 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.759 yeah, please do. I guess they shared it with Cheryl too, so 290 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.519 she wrote something up on it. But so myself and share are the Cheryl 291 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:10.000 are the only ones I know who got it. So cool stuff. Great? 292 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.559 All right, is there any more news from you, my friend, 293 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:17.440 not on this side that I can think of? No? All right, 294 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:22.279 well, thank you for joining me once again, and let's go ahead. 295 00:24:22.319 --> 00:25:15.519 And talk to mister Earl Gray after this short break. I am very happy 296 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:21.039 to welcome to the show, Earl Gray. And I should have looked it 297 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:25.839 up. I can't remember your last name Anderson Anderson because I never used to 298 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.359 last name, and you everybody calls me Earl Gray. You know, I 299 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.960 was going to ask, do you actually go by Earl Gray? Uh? 300 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:38.920 Pretty much? And you were born though before Star Trek Next Generation and John 301 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:45.599 Luke Bacar's famous you know interest in Earl Gray. T So where did that 302 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:51.200 name come from? Well, I'm a musician. I'm a working musician in 303 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:55.839 Los Angeles. I have a few baths, you know. And around nineteen 304 00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.319 eighty nine, uh, you know, kind of I was sort of hanging 305 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.319 out in the same crowd that you know, the band X, John Doe, 306 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:10.160 Xcene Servanka and all those guys were hanging out yet and everybody had a 307 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:15.599 little handle you know. X scene is certainly not you know, isn't the 308 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:19.920 singer from X's actual name. But it was just kind of, you know, 309 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.359 kind of a romp and having fun and plus there were you know, 310 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.559 there were certain there was also another guy, Carl Anderson, who was an 311 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.680 R and B singer out here, and people kept confusing us on the Marquee 312 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.599 and such. So I went with Earl Gray back in nineteen eighty nine. 313 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.200 It was not on Star Trek yet. It was just you know, more 314 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.960 or less looking through a cupboard and there's a box of tea, like all 315 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.680 that works, you know, and it was just kind of fun. But 316 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.880 now here I am, you know, it's you know, twenty and seventeen, 317 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.160 and I'm kind of stuck with it. You know. Yeah, I 318 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:59.599 like it, you know, and given your interest in UFOs and I'm sure 319 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.799 you probably probably I'm guessing you were a Star Trek fan and probably a Jean 320 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.319 Luke Bicard fan. Sure, but well the other Earl Gray came before, 321 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.880 you know, Star Trek, the next generation was right. Yeah, so 322 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.960 it's kind of cool that, you know, it is very cool your name, 323 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.880 all of a sudden is a big part of a cool show that I 324 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.960 know I loved, and really, no doubt was one of my inspirations for 325 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:30.960 being involved in all this UFO stuff. Absolutely absolutely, I'm a total nerd. 326 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.279 I mean, ever since I was a kid. You know, my 327 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.400 mom, my mom worked in aerospace, and that's a whole other story. 328 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:42.000 But she was actually Howard Hughes's personal secretary. You're kidding, Wow, not 329 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:47.799 kidding you. And she she worked in some according to her, and when 330 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:49.759 I was a child, you know, she worked in black sites and stuff, 331 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:55.200 and you know, she wound up working as a headhunter for Lockheed Skunkworks. 332 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.720 Actually, wow, that's not too surprising. I know that what was 333 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.640 his name, Van Tassle. I think his name is that Giant Rock? 334 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.680 Yeah, sure that. Howard Hughes used to fly in and fly to Giant 335 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:12.480 Rock literally because there was a a you know, it's big and white for 336 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:17.000 people who have been there. You've been there, I know, and people 337 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.839 would land there and have pie at the guy shop. And this is the 338 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:26.279 guy who said he was talking to aliens and had these gigantic gatherings of UFO 339 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:33.240 people out there in the middle of the desert in California. Valiant thor right, 340 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.359 yeah, the whole thing. So, so, do you currently live 341 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.039 in Las Vegas, because I because it looks like it seems like you're an 342 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:48.480 investigator in California. Yeah, No, I live in in the San Fernando 343 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:53.240 Valley here in southern California. All right, A native you know, I 344 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.319 been here all my life, although I spent a lot of time in Arizona 345 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.359 as well. I love your state, you know, Yeah, it's a 346 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.359 good state out here. Although we love California. I get out there as 347 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.359 much as possible. I'm, I'm we're just crazy about the beach. Uh 348 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.400 there you go. Yeah, you don't have that there No Lake Powell. 349 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:17.039 You know Lake Powell if you go up north a little bit. So you 350 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.880 said you were a geek, a bit of a nerd, and to prove 351 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.359 that to me, you know, earlier we had the Skype video on and 352 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:27.359 you were showing me some of your UFO models. Do you do you actually 353 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:33.359 build those models yourself, like from scratch. Uh, you know, I'll 354 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.519 go get like the old Tester kits and stuff just kind of you know, 355 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:45.079 it's my my version I guess of a fidget spinner. I guess building UFOs 356 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.160 plus you can't really buy you know, pre made UFOs or I guess you 357 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.559 probably could, but probably cheaper to make them yourself, you know, I 358 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.759 mean they have they have quite a few models. So you know, I've 359 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.799 got like my little t R three B. You know, it's like, 360 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:03.519 well, you know the government hasn't hasn't really admitted that that's there, is 361 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.440 it? But there is a model, you know, uh huh. Somebody 362 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.480 made it, you know, went from a little blueprint there. So it's 363 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.160 just fun, you know. Yeah, it's cool. And I was going 364 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.000 to stay because, like you were showing me the model of like the Bob 365 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:22.440 Bazaar area fifty one UFO there, and it didn't look like it was out 366 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.839 of kit. It was pretty large, so you must have built that from 367 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.519 scratch. No, it was a kit. It was Wow, that's a 368 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.559 big one sport model. Yeah, you can. You can find them, 369 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.079 you know, just have to google UFO plastic models. You know, a 370 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.920 bunch of stuff will pop up. Yeah. I built a Roswell Tester model, 371 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.720 but I have no idea what happened to that over the years. I 372 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.160 think it's in a box maybe somewhere, if I didn't throw it away. 373 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.440 Yeah, yeah, I've got that one too. I mean, I have 374 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:53.680 all of them. So let's go back to the beginning and what originally got 375 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.960 you interested in UFOs. Did you have your own sighting or was it something 376 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:03.319 else was growing up around my mom my mom when I when I was very 377 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:10.640 young, you know, four or five, six years old. My mom 378 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.160 was now a housewife. She she was not working for Howard Hughes anymore. 379 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.759 And she started talking a little bit to me. She was talking about, 380 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:27.079 well, she talked about stuff that I didn't hear of mentioned again until years 381 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:30.759 later, that she, you know, she had worked in some underground you 382 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:37.200 know, deep underground military bases. Wow, this was back in nineteen fifty 383 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.640 eight. My mom said that you would go out to the middle of the 384 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.440 desert, you take a little elevator has kept on going down. It was 385 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.000 an Otis elevator. She said, there was just like going up in a 386 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.839 skyscraper in Chicago or something, except that was going down, you know, 387 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.440 and she felt like, you know, well, they didn't really tell her 388 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.319 a lot or what to expect, and she she thought that, you know, 389 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.039 this can't be right, you know, we must have it's either really 390 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.000 slow or well, no, it was just going down really quickly. And 391 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:13.039 she said that back in nineteen fifty eight, they had a little city down 392 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.359 there under the desert. And she didn't mention the name Area fifty one or 393 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.960 Edwards or anything like that. You know, she was talking to her kid 394 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:30.720 and my mom obviously she had taken security ofs and the best I can. 395 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.359 You know, well, I do know now you know that she wasn't supposed 396 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.599 to be talking about this, and she certainly wasn't supposed to be talking about 397 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:43.960 deep underground bases. And as the years went on, she talked about aliens 398 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.519 too, with great authority, like she knew what she was talking about, 399 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.960 you know. She would say, like, for instance, I remember when 400 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:58.279 the Betty and Barney Hill story it came out in Life magazine, and my 401 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.720 aunt and my cousins were out visit, and my mom and her sister were 402 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:06.680 talking in the kitchen about that article it was in I guess it was was 403 00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.960 it Look magazine, I think, And my mom told my aunt that, 404 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.839 well, this could very well be true, and my aunt's sort of giggling 405 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.640 and and and then it sort of started getting heated, you know, because 406 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.119 it was scary, you know, what she was talking about. And my 407 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.319 mom said, well, I just I just do know you know through my 408 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:34.480 work and such, that you know that there are other races out there, 409 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:39.119 and you know, this sounds like it could very very well be true happening, 410 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.640 you know. And I remember, you know, they were reading like 411 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.519 the little part where it says well, they stuck a needle in her navel. 412 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:46.640 And I remember, like, you know, at this point, my 413 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.920 cousins and I were around the corner kind of listening in, and I'm elbowing 414 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.920 my older cousin, going, what's a navel? What's a naval He's going, 415 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.559 you know, it's a belly button. You know, they stuck a 416 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.279 needle in her belly button like aliens, you know. And I remember, 417 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.400 you know, that was the first time where I just really felt like the 418 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:12.639 willies the first time, like just this strange, prickly feeling over my body, 419 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.119 you know, thinking about this, and it was just kind of you 420 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.960 know, like having occurred and ripped off of your universe and seeing it in 421 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.599 a different way, and there were some scary elements out there that perhaps were 422 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:31.320 uncontrollable by us, you know. And you know, that was really where 423 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:37.239 my whole obsession with UFO started. And I started taking books out at school 424 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.400 and I sort of did a little show and tell in fourth grade and I 425 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.599 got in trouble. I mean, the teachers were because I started talking about 426 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:50.440 UFOs and I started talking about my mom, which I was not supposed to 427 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.679 do. And after that, the teachers actually got a hold of my mother 428 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:58.119 and he said, well, your son's sort of talking nonsense, you know, 429 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:01.039 and maybe you can, you know, kind of And so she got 430 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:07.440 me home and you know, I got like that raised eyebrow talk from her. 431 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.000 And I was like nine years old at the time, and I just 432 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.760 well, you know, son, I wasn't supposed to tell you the stuff. 433 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.199 You were really really young, and you know, I was just I, 434 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.159 you know, I And she didn't say this, but I feel, 435 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:27.800 personally, Alejandra, like she felt like she needed to tell somebody, you 436 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.840 know, and that I was safe, that I was young enough to forget 437 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.280 about it. And the thing is, I didn't forget about it. I 438 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.199 kept bringing it up. And I brought it up, you know, till 439 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.960 the day she died, you know, and she kept her secret clearance up 440 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:46.960 until nineteen ninety nine when she passed away. And finally, you know, 441 00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:51.119 when she was on her deathbed, you know, my mom had gotten many 442 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.159 cancers, and we pretty much had hypothesize that the cancers had come from her 443 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:59.840 work because she was you know, at these black opsites, you know, 444 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:02.519 under the desert. They had it under there for a reason, you know, 445 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:08.599 for secrecy, and probably dangerous materials as well. So the sixth time 446 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.199 my mom had cancer, that was the time where she was, you know, 447 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.880 seventy four years old. She'd kind of given up, you know, 448 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:21.639 her sixth bout with it all unrelated cancers. It wasn't fantastasizing so much as 449 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.960 it was just reappearing, you know, she'd just been irradiated somehow. And 450 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:34.480 she finally kind of talked with a little less obfuscation involved. And she still 451 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:39.000 wouldn't mention like bored aliens or but we'd kind of talk around the subject and 452 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:43.960 she didn't. It wasn't like she disregarded it or said it was untrue, 453 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:50.519 you know. Pretty interesting. Yeah, I had a story with a guy 454 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:52.719 a couple of things. Guy had a story with a guy who worked with 455 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:58.480 my sister, and they rented out furniture as a furniture rental place, a 456 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.440 real popular one, and they would rent it for stars and stuff. But 457 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:06.199 one of the delivery guys said the military ordered some desks and stuff that he 458 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.000 drove out to the desert. And this was New Mexico where they do have 459 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.679 you know a lot of bases and stuff all out here in the southwest where 460 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.280 we are, and yeah, he drove down. He didn't see anything, 461 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.880 you know, and then this thing opens up in the desert and he drives 462 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:23.800 into it. This elevator takes him down. He doesn't know how far. 463 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.079 They're told to unload this stuff in a hallway and it was just this big, 464 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:34.119 long, concrete hallway with doors every so often, and then they went 465 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.800 back. It's pretty weird. But also I wanted to mention, you know, 466 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.679 about your mom, it's not so far fetched that she could have got 467 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:45.079 sick because they do stuff they're not supposed to be doing. And we know 468 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.920 this because there's a big Area fifty one case in the nineties with Bill Clinton 469 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:55.440 where they because and Bill Clinton essentially had to say, you know, they 470 00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:01.679 couldn't be sued for doing all of these illegal things with like nuclear waste and 471 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.079 stuff like that because they were top secret. What they did was top secret 472 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.960 and we couldn't let their processes get out. And they just said that the 473 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:17.199 base in Nevada, they wouldn't say the term Area fifty one at the time, 474 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.280 but yeah, it was a big thing where unfortunately people were dying because 475 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:29.559 they were burning waste in like giant pits and stupid, stupid crap just because 476 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.440 they didn't have to adhere to the laws. It was that particular case that 477 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:37.320 kind of opened up the door with my mom where she just kind of, 478 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.480 you know, you saw her just kind of do a whole full body sigh 479 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.239 and we started talking with yeah, because I wanted her to lawyer up, 480 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.320 and you know, because they you know, my mom got paid well, 481 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.639 but not that well, you know, for a trip to Europe every year 482 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.519 more or less she'd go to you know, every year, she'd rent a 483 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.800 flat in England and she'd spend her summers there, and that we weren't a 484 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.559 rich family. I mean, we were just sort of you know, lower 485 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.199 middle class, but you know, that was Mom's little tree. Sad. 486 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.199 It's sad what to think of what these people were thinking. They were putting 487 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:14.280 people's lives at risk, and they knew they were doing that. And sure, 488 00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.360 maybe these people are paid well, but it's not worth you know, 489 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:24.159 their lives and putting people's lives at risk. So really sad stuff. Yeah, 490 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.960 well, she said that she was proud of what she had done. 491 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.559 That she you know, she she thanked me and and and said that you 492 00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.480 know, no, she would never do that, that she was proud of 493 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.199 what she had done. She'd done it for her country, quote unquote, 494 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:44.320 and that was kind of that she wouldn't talk about about actually, you know, 495 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.039 filing a lawsuit against against them whoever it was. I mean, it 496 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.559 would have been technically the US government, I guess, so we would have 497 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.800 had, you know, figured out much branch. But well, that's fascinating 498 00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:00.679 and extremely fascinating. And I could talk to you probably the whole show just 499 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:07.440 about your mom and our background and what she's done, but it's already times 500 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:15.360 flying by, So I do want to talk to you about then when you 501 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.840 got involved with move On? Uh, And I guess why and how. 502 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:25.920 It's been about oh, two and a half years ago that I you know, 503 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.679 I've been watching a lot of the Hater one shows, of course, 504 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:37.199 you know, which was a wonderful production, I thought, And uh, 505 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.920 you know, I've been reading UFO books all my life, just not obsessively. 506 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:49.880 Yeah, maybe about five six years ago I really started started tracking it 507 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.159 down more. You know. It was it was sort of like, well, 508 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.360 I know that this is an actual phenomenon. You know, I have 509 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.639 something that a lot of people don't have, and that I grew up. 510 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.239 No, this you know that it was sort of a fact that I grew 511 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:10.960 up with that we had been in contact with extraterrestrial civilizations. And so I 512 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.159 just really started kind of doing the armchair investigator kind of thing, reading a 513 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.519 lot of books, you know, searching the Internet, and it became more 514 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.519 obsessive for me. I really wanted to I mean, back then, you 515 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:25.599 know, I was hoping, well, I want to be able to prove 516 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.320 this is real, you know, with apart from my mom's stories, which 517 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:36.159 of course I haven't. I wish, you know, I could, you 518 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.960 know, I tommed along. I guess I'm doing a bit of disclosure apparently, 519 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:44.199 but you know, I don't have you know. So when I joined 520 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.360 MUFUN, I got to know Jeff Krauss, our state director, initially through 521 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.239 Facebook, and he thought that I would make a good field investigator. You 522 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.519 know. He said that as a musician, you know, I'm kind of 523 00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.199 a jammy musician, you know, and that he felt that was important that 524 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.000 you had to have good instincts, but you also had to be able to 525 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.039 hit the note. You know, there's science behind it, but there's also 526 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:12.719 an instinctual element to it. So Jeff mentioned, you know that he thought 527 00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.880 that I would make a good field investigator, and it was sort of like, 528 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.159 well, you know, this is just feels like everything's sort of falling 529 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.159 in line, and this is part of it. So I went and I 530 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:29.639 did. I read the Field Investigation Manual and it went. You know, 531 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:31.199 I did it in about a week. To tell you the truth, you 532 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:36.880 know, I just kind of applied myself. I had some orthopedic surgery done, 533 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.239 so I was off for you know a little while, so and you 534 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:46.159 know, I really just took to it. I love investigating UFOs, you 535 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:51.519 know, I guess I do have a knack for you know, you know, 536 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.559 you get to where after you've done enough cases to where you recognize certain 537 00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.639 earmarks of cases that some probably you know, to gate a little more thoroughly 538 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:06.039 than others. And uh, you know, I love Moufon because of the 539 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.440 science element, because I am kind of a science a stickler for science, 540 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.960 right, And I've noticed that, and you're you're not afraid. And I 541 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.199 know this is a struggle. I was an investigator with MUFAN and I work 542 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.920 with them. It's always a struggle to tell people who are convinced that they've 543 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:30.679 captured something unusual that most likely they didn't, and uh, you know you've 544 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:36.440 given your experience, you've seen, uh you know what they've captured before. 545 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.519 Uh, And it's not a it's an honest mistake. A lot of times 546 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:44.039 we've learned the hard way because we made the same mistake the witness did and 547 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.639 then we learned otherwise. So I know that's hard to do, but I've 548 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.079 noticed that you do that. And we'll get into a couple of those instances. 549 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.079 But I do want to ask because it is kind of a you know, 550 00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.920 a topic right now. The last and had some pretty French stuff. 551 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.440 Some of the speakers were talking about secret space programs and you know, Obama 552 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.280 being on Mars and this whole secret space war with Aliens and stuff like that, 553 00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.039 I mean, and some people felt, you know, oh, I'm 554 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.880 so mad at Moufon that I'm leaving. And I can understand, you know, 555 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:22.400 I appreciate everybody's perspectives. But how did you feel about that And did 556 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.679 it really actually ever make you feel like I'm out of here audios moof On 557 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:32.360 or were you just kind of like hey to each their own? Yeah? 558 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.480 I was more hey to each their own, I mean the way I mean, 559 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:45.800 I am very very concerned on one level that I think day two of 560 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.960 the symposium. Day one had some really interesting speakers, and I think even 561 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.880 day two had like like one or two kind of you know. I think 562 00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:59.320 Tom Killer was one of the guys, and he's usually really good, you 563 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.199 know, but the Corey good stuff. I mean, there's you know, 564 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:08.679 Richard Dolan talked a little bit about this at the symposium on day one actually, 565 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:14.639 right, and and I'm pretty much I fall in line with him that 566 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:19.920 there's you know, there's a good UFO story, right, and sometimes you 567 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.519 know, if the person doesn't have anything to gain from it, you know, 568 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.920 I always have to look at that when I'm when I'm doing a particular 569 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:30.519 case, you have like a scientist come out and report a UFO or an 570 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:37.159 astronomer, say, the providence is a little more present there, right, 571 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:44.679 And if there is not, you know, quantifiable evidence other than the person's 572 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.440 story, if the person doesn't have a whole lot to gain from it, 573 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:51.880 or they have something to lose as far as you know, respect in their 574 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:58.480 field, I tend to give them a little more liberty there. And and 575 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.119 you know, there there are UFO stories, you know, I had had 576 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:06.719 one last year that just knocked my socks off. And the guy had absolutely 577 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:12.079 nothing to gain from it. It was a full on disc with and he 578 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.159 did not see it occupants, but he saw people walking towards this disc. 579 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:20.679 It was hanging over the ocean. And you know, I grilled the man, 580 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.320 you know, four or five different times. We talked about it and 581 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.280 talked about it. The story didn't change. He didn't add anything to it. 582 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.280 He didn't embellish his facts to make it more interesting. I mean, 583 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.639 it was pretty interesting right up front. And I gave that case an unknown 584 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.039 even though it was a historic case. It happened back in nineteen ninety two. 585 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.079 The man didn't have anything to gain from the story and he had everything 586 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.119 to lose. And so, you know, but when I have you know, 587 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.159 there are other you know, we prefer to have the cases that have 588 00:46:54.280 --> 00:47:00.800 science, that have multiple witnesses, that have educated witnesses. For instance, 589 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.639 we had a recent sighting and it wasn't as flashy as some of the UFO 590 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.679 you know reports that you see in the journal and such, but I thought 591 00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:16.559 it was quite compelling. It was four PhD uh four PhDs up on the 592 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:23.039 rooftop of the Caltech Astronomy building. Wow, calibrating calibrating a new a new 593 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:28.519 radio, a ham radio antenna they were installing up there. Uh. The 594 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.079 one woman was, uh, you know, she has a PhD in astronomy 595 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.239 and also in radio astronomy, and uh, anyhow, they're they're struggling with 596 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:44.159 this intenta on the roof and they see a UFO and they reported the UFO 597 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.639 and uh, you know, I'm talking with this woman. It's got two 598 00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:51.039 PhDs and it's sort of like, well, you know, I don't have 599 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.679 a PhD in anomy, So what do you think? What do you think 600 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.840 you saw? What was that? And she said, well, it hovered, 601 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.760 you know, it had two bright turquoise lights that were just just like 602 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.199 laser points. The thing just hung there and then when it's shot up into 603 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.599 the atmosphere, shot up in the stratosphere. We saw it go up, 604 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.119 and we know, you know, we're used to looking at you know, 605 00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.840 objects that are way up in the atmosphere. Wow. And none of us 606 00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.840 could explain this thing. The only thing that we could. You know, 607 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.440 most people on that rooftop were skeptics, and now there's a big question mark 608 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.199 in their lives. They saw something that they could not could not explain. 609 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.199 Wow, that is really cool, and especially because, like you said, 610 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.639 the great thing and people say, oh, a big deal, they got 611 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.880 a PhD. It's just three letters or whatever. But people like this, 612 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:45.480 especially in astronomy, are very skeptical, which is a good thing when it 613 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:52.559 comes to science. So it definitely gives more credibility when someone of that nature 614 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.400 is saying, hey, this is really something unusual. Yes, And you 615 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.400 know, because this woman is a scientist, you know, I was. 616 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.559 She was able to you know, like go to colored charts to give me 617 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:07.360 the exact color of the lights. She was able to give me, you 618 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.480 know, approximate distances. And you know, unfortunately she didn't have a FIATA 619 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.119 light up there on the roof when she when they saw it. But you 620 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.159 know, I thought that was a very very good case. Awesome, that 621 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.559 is a good one. So great. We'll get into more cases that you've 622 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.119 talked about after the break here, but we're going to take a kg r 623 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.320 A station break right now. For those of you in the podcast. We'll 624 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.199 be back in just a couple of seconds. For those of you on kg 625 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.719 r A, stay tuned for some ads that keep kg r A rolling, 626 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.480 so be sure to uh check out some of these advertisers and their products that 627 00:49:44.519 --> 00:50:23.480 are coming up in a second. All right, we are back with Earl 628 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:29.800 Gray Anderson and we were just talking about a really cool case that you had 629 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:37.840 at Caltech where I'm assuming then that case was you closed as an unknown. 630 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.920 Yes, that was an unknown, and I was really happy about that case. 631 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.719 It's one of my favorite cases I've had. Oh, you know, 632 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.000 I've investigated hundreds of cases so far, but that's definitely in my top five. 633 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:52.639 Yeah, that sounds like it. That sounds like a great one. 634 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.800 But another case because what's funny And one of the reasons, you know, 635 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.559 I thought it'd be fun to have you on and listeners wouldn't mind. I 636 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.360 think it interesting. I think the listeners find it interesting too to talk to 637 00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:07.559 people who investigate UFO. So I think anytime we talked to any move On 638 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.800 Fieled investigator, it's fun. But your name has certainly been coming up quite 639 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.480 a bit lately, and it's not just because you are a listener, thank 640 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:21.760 you very much, but because you've been handling some of these California cases that 641 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:28.159 Roger and I have been featuring at the Openminds dot tv website, and one 642 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.360 of them that we spoke about lately was now you have some more information on 643 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:37.360 and we'll talk about that a bit. But this was at I think Contact 644 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:38.920 in the Desert. I don't think we identified what it was, but it 645 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.199 was a UFO conference, you know, a few months ago out in the 646 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.960 desert, and the people felt they got a video of a jet chasing a 647 00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:51.360 UFO because there were two sets of lights. The first one was solid, 648 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.440 the second one was blinking, and I think it was with a night vision 649 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.920 camera. You can tell us more. But how did that case turn out? 650 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:08.679 It was a questionable case. Now, I had closed a case the 651 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:14.199 year before that was from the Contact in the Desert SkyWatch and it was the 652 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:20.320 same group of people and and you know it was you know, there were 653 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.079 like fifty people out there with the IR glasses and I'm not going to mention 654 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:30.440 people's names here, but that one, you know, we had multiple witnesses 655 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.800 and it was kind of like, oh wow, you know, well maybe 656 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.360 they really did see a UFO And we did close that as an unknown. 657 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:45.159 A year goes by, it's the exact same event and lo and behold, 658 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:53.440 like like it was scheduled. We had the video that you're speaking of, 659 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:58.320 you know, where it appears line of sight that a jet was chasing down 660 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:06.519 a UFO and anyhow, we were somewhat troubled. Not somewhat troubled, we 661 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.960 were very troubled that, you know, I mean, there were really only 662 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:15.360 three, really three things that it could have been. In fact, I'm 663 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.880 going to I've got the case file open yere, and I'm going to read 664 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:32.519 what I finally pretty much decided here that more or less, either give me 665 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:39.559 one second here because I'm scrolling, here we go. So this was what 666 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:47.119 it finally really came down to that I have to suffice that either number one, 667 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:53.719 extraterrestrials are currently working in tandem with a for profit UFO SkyWatch group making 668 00:53:53.880 --> 00:54:01.360 annually scheduled appearances, or the second choice is that this, you know, 669 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:08.000 was just a spectacular coincidence that for profit UFO group just happened to be present 670 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:14.280 for the second year in a row to experience an even videotape with IR, 671 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.960 you know, technology that which most of us aren't lucky enough to have even 672 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.880 seen once in our lifetimes, and they turned a profit to boot so synchronicity, 673 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:31.519 I don't know, or number three that we have to figure that it 674 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:37.599 was a planned hoaxed event. And I really struggled. I mean, I 675 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.360 couldn't really see any other choices between those, and it may be, you 676 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:50.440 know, somewhere between maybe somebody is hoaxing them. But it really would be 677 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.559 easy to make a video like that by sending a heating element up in a 678 00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:57.760 drone. You wouldn't be able to really see it. It would be very 679 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.679 dim with the you know, if you're using your naked eye, but through 680 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:07.760 eyer glasses it would be quite spectacular. And you know, it's a line 681 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:12.000 of sight video. I don't think that anything was being chased by that jet. 682 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.400 It wasn't a scrambled jet. It was just jet, you know, 683 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:20.400 flying over the desert like they do. You know, someone had made the 684 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.480 comment to which it seems valid, is that the lights, two sets of 685 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.880 lights are actually on the same aircraft because they are moving at the exact same 686 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.239 speed, they're pretty close to each other. It's just one set of lights 687 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:37.000 was blinking and the other wasn't, which which makes sense as well. I 688 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:42.119 didn't think that it was a UFO being chased by a jet. Yeah, 689 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.639 And you know, and I know what you mean because I think the problem 690 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:53.719 is I believe that your first scenario, you know that aliens are coincidentally visiting 691 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:59.519 annually, you know, this for profit event. I think the organizer's many 692 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.159 of the people they're believe that they believe that they're you know, trying to 693 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:07.079 communicate with these aliens and bring them in, and that's what they think is 694 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.320 happening. But as you probably know, and I know, when you're in 695 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:16.199 these groups of people doing these skywatchers looking for UFOs, there's or even at 696 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:21.800 a conference at all, people suspend their beliefs. I mean, even with 697 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.639 the Moveline Symposium or the UFO Congress, where we have some people I'm not 698 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:30.880 always aware of how fringe or wild some of the claims that some of the 699 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.559 speakers that are going to make, and it's their you know, right to 700 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:39.480 do so, but people will gravitate towards this really fringe stuff and there's like 701 00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:44.840 this suspension of belief. And it does happen at contact. I mean, 702 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:50.400 there was a picture that clearly was not an alien, of someone like standing 703 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:54.360 behind the panelists, and you know, later people were able to show who 704 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:59.039 it was and everything, but they were convinced they even were showing me, 705 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:04.119 look, we captured an alien. I was speaking that year at our conference, 706 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.440 and I think they genuinely believe they're getting these UFOs and aliens. But 707 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:14.840 as we know, you know, there's probably other explanations for and it often 708 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:20.159 turns out there is for these things that you're believing to be you know, 709 00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:24.679 paranormal. Yes, well, I mean it leads me back to Newfon's mission 710 00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:30.639 statement that it's supposed to be the scientific investigation of UFOs for the benefit of 711 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:37.960 humankind. It's not you know, the gut feeling investigation of UFOs or or 712 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:43.280 the you know, we have a crowd of people here and we all you 713 00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:46.239 know, are hoping to get abducted tonight, you know, investigation of no 714 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:52.000 you know, I mean it comes down again. You know, my friend 715 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:58.000 and mentor and state director Jeff Krause, he has a little saying and he 716 00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:02.119 told me this one I first started doing what it is that I'm doing here, 717 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.159 that you know, you've got to keep an open mind, but not 718 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.840 so open that your brain falls out. And that's really truly sort of my 719 00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.199 my credo, you know, and approaching this that you know, if I 720 00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:21.360 were doing this on my own, then perhaps some of the more you know, 721 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.119 fringy stuff would be more acceptable. You know, You've got your little 722 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:29.159 gray basket that you got off to the side there, you know, and 723 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.920 you know, and I'm Earl Gray, so I certainly am a great gray 724 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:39.360 basket, you know. But because I'm investigating for, you know, an 725 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:44.599 organization that's coming up on its fiftieth anniversary in two years, you know, 726 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:52.000 the scientific principles behind Moufon are very very important to me. I you know, 727 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:59.079 I really hope to keep Moufon centralized on that mission statement. And that's 728 00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:00.320 the way that I invest to get these things. You know, I have 729 00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:05.360 an open mind. I hear some crazy stories, and some of them I've 730 00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.920 called unknowns, you know. I mean some of them have been spectacular, 731 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.320 and you could even call fringy, but you know, there was enough providence 732 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:19.440 to them that, you know, I gave it an unknown classification. But 733 00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:23.719 I really want to have the science there. I don't go by gut feelings, 734 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:29.920 you know, I really want to have the science there. And you 735 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:31.920 know, the contact in the desert video just did not cut it for me. 736 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.880 Yeah good, Yeah, and understood because when people came up with those 737 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.760 other explanations and I. You know, that's the hard thing with lights in 738 00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:45.239 the sky too. I mean you could see a mothership, you know, 739 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.199 and a jet chasing it, and your video comes out to be, you 740 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:53.480 know, one light in the sky and another blinking light that looks just boring 741 00:59:53.679 --> 01:00:00.800 and lame. So I mean it's hard. But in this case, and 742 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:07.360 knowing people involved, you know who I and and we had talked about this, 743 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:14.280 you feel are prone to mistaken identity, you know, on a regular 744 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:19.280 basis that you know, another case of mistaken identity. But it's interesting, 745 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.599 you know, this, this kind of crowd mentality that happens. Crowd mentalities 746 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:30.079 always scare me, you know, because because people in big groups can can 747 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:34.920 be scary, they can convince each other to do some some sure some Monty 748 01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.920 Python. You know it's a witch. You know, it's a witch. 749 01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.920 You know. Yeah, I mean, you know life of Brian stuff, 750 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:44.159 you know, I mean, yeah, you know. I mean, it's 751 01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:51.159 it's much easier to accept stuff that you probably wouldn't normally accept when there's fifty 752 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.440 other people that are you know, raising their hands up in the air, 753 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:57.880 you know, shouting, you know, power up or whatever it is that 754 01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.400 they were shouting out. There. You know, Oh right, that's a 755 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:07.400 good point. People will yell power up and expecting the UFO to turn their 756 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.719 lights brighter. I guess they're assuming the UFO is powering up. And what's 757 01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.199 funny about that is, okay, so they have some sort of technology where 758 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:21.360 they get brighter when they power up. It's funny because Lespiegel is always saying, 759 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.119 what's with the lights? Are they headlights? Why they have? Yeah, 760 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:30.119 it's so funny, but yeah, and that serves to this mentality and 761 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.039 getting people on a frenzy. And you know what to counter that people because 762 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.719 you know, I think some people get embarrassed because later on they're like, 763 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.119 you know why, you know, we were all sitting there and convinced that 764 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:43.880 this was this, but I know it wasn't. I should have maybe said 765 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.559 something. The thing is to counter that, it's just be cognizant of it. 766 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:50.400 Be careful. When you're in a crowd and you feel yourself kind of 767 01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.119 getting excited with everybody else, start to think, oh, you know, 768 01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.760 am I falling into this kind of crowd mentality thing. I better take a 769 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:59.920 step back and look at the big picture. So you always have to be 770 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:05.360 checking yourself and UFO investigators got to be doing that all the time, checking 771 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.039 yourself. You have to, there's no you know. I mean, sure, 772 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:13.559 I've got Jeff over me, who's great. You know, he checks 773 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:15.360 on me, and every once in a while he'll say, oh, look 774 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.559 at this case. Can you know are you are? You? Come on? 775 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.280 You know, and every now and then, you know, I don't 776 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.079 always agree with Jeff, and you know, there are certain unknowns that I've 777 01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:28.880 certain cases I've closed as unknowns where he might not have, you know, 778 01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:32.880 but we're mostly on the same page. And the science has to be there, 779 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:40.039 you know. And if if MUFAN leaves their scientific principles behind, who's 780 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:46.480 going to be who's going to actually be investigating UFOs in a way where say 781 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:52.119 a scientist might actually look at that report and and and think, well, 782 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:57.280 maybe there is something to this. If we become a new age entertainment company. 783 01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:02.400 There's there's already new age UFO entertainment companies exactly. You know. That's 784 01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.880 a good point. And when I was doing pr with move On, people 785 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:07.880 would attack us all the time, why don't you do this or that? 786 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.480 And I used to always say, because someone else is doing that. Move 787 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:15.480 On is doing something unique and needs to focus on what they do because it's 788 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:20.199 something that no one else is doing. You can go other places for these 789 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.800 other things you're looking for. Yes, And that's not a slight on the 790 01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:28.320 other people doing these other things. It's great they're doing that, but it's 791 01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.880 just not what we do. But I do want to move on. I 792 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:35.119 know you have some other cases you want to talk about. So, yeah, 793 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.079 so you have some other recent sightings that you think were pretty cool. 794 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:43.840 Yeah, sure, I was. I was telling you a little bit about 795 01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:49.159 you know, and and all UFO cases aren't flashy. In fact, the 796 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.639 more important cases are usually not the flashy ones. You know. It's the 797 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:58.039 stronomers on the roof seeing something that they can't explain that to us might look 798 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:02.639 like a prosaic object. But there's no way to explain those two laser pinpoint 799 01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:06.480 lights, you know, hovering there and then going up into the stratosphere. 800 01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:10.920 We don't, you know, at least, there's nothing that we're being told 801 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.639 that we have that can do that. But every once in a while, 802 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:19.400 you know, you'll get a case that that is flashy too, and kind 803 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:25.840 of and this was I I think I was talking a little bit about this 804 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:33.920 earlier, but I really loved this case was from a few months ago and 805 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:41.960 it was case number eight three three eighty four, and I talked a little 806 01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.159 bit about this. It was a historic case from nineteen ninety two, but 807 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:50.199 it was quite a profound sighting and it really had, you know, some 808 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:56.920 question marks for me about exactly what did this guy see. I'm just going 809 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.400 to read you his narrative here in the report, oh right. Because I 810 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:04.119 was driving home from a date late in mid August nineteen ninety two. I 811 01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:06.960 lived in Olmita, but it was a beautiful night, so I decided to 812 01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:12.840 take the long way home by taking Palas Verdes Drive north, which snakes along 813 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:17.000 the cliffs of Palas Vertices. After driving through Lunada Bay, I could see 814 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:24.199 in the distance a greenish glow coming from Point Vincente Cove direction. As I 815 01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:30.079 got closer to the greenish bioluminescent glow grew, I finally rounded the corner where 816 01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:32.960 the turnout to the cove was, and the glow by then was all consuming. 817 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:38.519 I pulled the car over in the turnout they have half expecting to see 818 01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:42.800 a movie that was being shy. I got out of the car as I 819 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.719 walked to the cliff's edge. I noticed three people to my left looking down 820 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:50.719 at whatever was in the cove. It was unusual because I saw no other 821 01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:54.440 car parked there. It was dark, but I could tell it was a 822 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.280 family of three, a mom, a dad, and a small boy. 823 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.119 The mother had her arm around the child. I continued to the cliff's edge 824 01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:05.559 and peered over and directly in the exact middle of the cove, hovering eight 825 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:12.280 feet above the water with a classic saucer shaped dome craft rained with green lights, 826 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:15.360 with no more than it was no more than fifty yards from me. 827 01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:19.039 It was big, at least forty feet across. It was domed and had 828 01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:24.519 unreal skin. The closest thing I could compare it to is a slick, 829 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:29.159 oily puddle. The rainbow colors were dull but prismatic, and had a swirling 830 01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.039 motion. It began to hum, and as it did, the water beneath 831 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:36.440 it began to bubble and steam. I yelled over to the family left of 832 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:41.920 me, but they stood there silently, motionless, mesmerized by what they were 833 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.639 seeing, or so I thought. I was beginning to get spooked. I 834 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.159 wanted to see the craft submerge or take off. But I was getting an 835 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:54.800 overwhelming feeling of dread. I couldn't believe my luck or my eyes seeing this 836 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:58.559 astonishment up so close and personal. I looked over to the family, but 837 01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.800 they were rounding the corner, heading down the path that led to the water's 838 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:05.000 edge. That was it. I wasn't going to stick around. I got 839 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:09.119 in my car, I took off. This story has been weighing on my 840 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:17.039 mind lately. Thank you for the Catharsis that was his narrative and speaking with 841 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:21.239 him. You know, there were so many details that it really stood out 842 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:26.320 to me, you know, and this was an intelligent man, you know, 843 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:31.159 he was a writer. He said that this had haunted him for years, 844 01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.440 that he felt like perhaps he should have tried to grab the family, 845 01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:39.079 you know, that maybe they were under some kind of you know, malevolent 846 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:43.320 control. But you know, he was afraid, you know, he was 847 01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.719 scared, and he finally just and he said that he was so afraid that 848 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:50.800 he could smell the fear on himself. You know, he was sweating and 849 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:54.519 that you know, there was fear in the air, you know. And 850 01:07:55.360 --> 01:08:00.000 you know I remember once picking up accidentally picking up a handful of black widows, 851 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.599 spiders, well, moving some stuff in the garage, Oh my gosh. 852 01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:05.880 And I remember smelling fear. I know what that's like. And so 853 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:10.960 when he you know, it just really ranged bells and there were so many 854 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.159 details. And again, you know, this wasn't one of those cases where 855 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:20.840 I had trace evidence left over, but it was after speaking, you know, 856 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:24.880 after reading the man's report. Well, you know, so much of 857 01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:28.600 it has to do with when you go and interview the witness. Yeah, 858 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:32.479 and you'd want to get them to repeat the story multiple times. If that 859 01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:35.680 was a movie, then the next day he would have read in the paper 860 01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:41.159 about a family with their young child gone missing. Right, But there was 861 01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:44.239 nothing like that. You know, he never heard anything more about it, 862 01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.680 and it waited on his mind for since nineteen ninety two, and he he 863 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:51.680 more or less, let me see, I'm going to look for when I 864 01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:57.720 was interviewing him, Well, we're about out of time. That's okay then. 865 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.560 But it was a very good case. Yeah, And like you said, 866 01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:09.039 that is a really interesting one. And you know the impact and this 867 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:14.560 goes to speaking to being a UFO field investigator, speaking one on one with 868 01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:19.000 these witnesses can be fascinating because you know, for some perhaps his story might 869 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:23.960 not feel as interesting. But when you're talking to a person one on one 870 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:30.399 and you find them to be very credible people with incredible stories, I mean, 871 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:34.760 it really grabs you. I mean, it's a if you're into this 872 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:39.880 field. That's why I tell people that they should become an investigator, because 873 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:43.840 there's nothing like it talking to these witnesses one on one. Yeah, it 874 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:46.439 changes. I mean, it changed the way that I look at the universe, 875 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:53.680 like I can honestly say that it took it from you know, well 876 01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:58.039 I know this theoretically to you know, I know, I mean, I 877 01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:04.159 know that there's a phenomena there that can't be explained in prosaic terms, and 878 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:08.720 we're looking for that. You know, we want to, you know, 879 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:14.319 we want to sort of throw rocks at all of these UFOs that and the 880 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:15.920 stories, you know, and see what stands up, what holds, and 881 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:24.439 what you know remains true. And that's the scientific you know, oul comes 882 01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:30.800 razor and you know, we definitely approach it that way. But in approaching 883 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:38.000 these cases with that attitude and trying to remain skeptical purposefully, you know, 884 01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:42.439 I can walk away from the phenomenon, say there's something there and there's something 885 01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:47.199 that's going on, and it's very very real. It's has meaning for us. 886 01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.279 It's one of those deep questions like is there a God? Are we 887 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:55.640 alone in the universe? And do they know about us? There are deep 888 01:10:55.720 --> 01:11:00.640 questions and you know there's almost a spiritual element behind it. You know, 889 01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:05.960 it's like deep cosmology, same same kind of feeling that I get, you 890 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:13.079 know when reading about you know, dark matter in the universe, and yeah, 891 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:17.720 it's a exsistential type of thing. Absolutely well, thank you so much 892 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.840 for coming on the show. Really really interesting stuff like I thought it would 893 01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:25.760 be. And yeah, we'll have to bring you on to talk about some 894 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:30.920 more cases eventually. I'd love to thank you. Alejandra yep, thanks so 895 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:36.119 much, and keep on investigating. I'll do that, keep on looking at 896 01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:41.680 take care of my friend. Thank you so much to Earl Gray Anderson for 897 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:45.880 joining us today on the show. That was a lot of fun, all 898 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:49.279 of the news that Martin and I talked about at the beginning of the show. 899 01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:53.920 Of course, as usual, you can find at Openminds dot tv. 900 01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:58.239 And by the way, thank you for Martin joining us as well. He 901 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:01.600 runs podcast UFO, which is another great show, so check that out, 902 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:06.439 Google it and you'll be able to find it. But good stuff. So 903 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:12.199 I also want to thank Caleb Hanks. He creates the Open and the Close 904 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:16.279 music and systematics. They actually do that bumper music that you're hearing. Pretty 905 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:20.800 cool stuff if you ask me. So those are great people who have a 906 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:26.119 volunteer to donate their music and they're just people who make music on their own 907 01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:30.319 time. Really really cool stuff. And if you want to hear more about 908 01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:32.800 Caleb's music, you can go to open minds dot tv and click on the 909 01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:38.199 UFO radio tab and see some more. Thank you to kg r A for 910 01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:42.039 hosting us. It's a lot of fun being on this station with all of 911 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:47.359 the other great podcasters. And I want to remind you not only can you 912 01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:50.760 find the news on a daily basis at open mindst tv, and you can 913 01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:56.000 follow us on Facebook and Twitter. You can find the information there. You 914 01:12:56.039 --> 01:13:00.039 can also follow the UFO Congress on Facebook and Twitter. Why is it that 915 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.359 important because we got new news coming up about the UFO Congress on a regular 916 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:09.520 basis. Registration is open, so go check out Ufocongress dot com to find 917 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:13.399 out how to register. It's at the beautiful week of paw resort. You 918 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:17.079 definitely want to be there. Tons of UFO speakers, tons of UFO people, 919 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:20.960 and we've started to post some speakers, and this is of course you 920 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:25.600 guys on the radio show always get to hear about this first. But you 921 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.760 can see some of those speakers there. We got Tl Keller, he's an 922 01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:33.439 aerospace engineer. We've got Jennifer Stein talking about crop circles. We have Don 923 01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:39.560 Schmidt talking about UFOs. We have Bryce Zabel. Oh I haven't even posted 924 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:42.560 him yet, but well, I'll tell you more about him later. You 925 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.119 can also go listen to my podcast interview with Bryce. But we're also having 926 01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:50.840 Steven Bassett, which is kind of nice because he's been off in Europe and 927 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:56.720 he hasn't been doing many conferences, but he is a friend of the Congress 928 01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:00.199 and he's a friend to open minds, so we're going to be happy to 929 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:03.279 have them there. He's always good for kind of rallying the troops, getting 930 01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:09.319 everybody really excited about the topic, so he always adds a lot of energy. 931 01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:12.359 But as usual, we're gonna have a lot of great speakers and a 932 01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:15.479 lot and some surprises in store for you. We always try to, you 933 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:19.720 know, outdo ourselves and bring you some really cool stuff, So stay tuned. 934 01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:26.439 Visit ufocongress dot com for more information on that. That's right, ufocongress 935 01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:30.079 dot up. Otherwise, we'll talk to you guys next week with another great 936 01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:33.720 show. I hope you have a wonderful week, and thank you so much 937 01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:39.520 for joining us once again. Until next time, Audio's mood toutos