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so stay up. You might take a nap. Six thirty Yeah,
but the game dirty game. Yeah, but in six thirty eight, thirty
nine, ten and get out by the Left ten thirty. Yeah, I've
done it. Yeah, there you get to go. I have to listen
to a press cover, so then figure out what rhymes with something, yeah,
exactly. Yeah. Okay, Well they take col today. Uh we're
going to have a preview kind of with Reggie Red Gary pick his brain a
little bit on you know. My question is what happens to a team?
How does Oregon State happen? And then you're coming out of that feeling terrible
about how you played, and then Oregon happens, right, and you feel
like, okay, we got our stuff together. Now they got cal a
team they beat the crap out of just a few weeks ago. And how
do you get up for that? And you know as an that you know,
we've never been in that position, Steve, as athlete, So I'd
love to find out from Reggie, you know what's in the mind of an
athlete going from kind of extremes, right, feel really crappy of a sudden,
you feel really good and now you got to play a team that you
know you can kick their butt. Right. Well, he's he's known as
a player and as a coach, So we'll ask him both because you know
what, his teams as a player didn't escape what happened last night. It
happened to them, right, and it happened probably a time or two.
And I you know, and I get it. You know, eighteen to
twenty two year old kids, they have ups and downs. And we've always
talked about all the many things that can be impacting them. Now you add
on you know, nil and transfer portal stuff that's on their minds, you
know, wherever they're playing. But you know, just those ups and downs.
You know, again, Oregon State had no business beeding in Arizona.
But then after losing to Oregon State or Arizona had no business beating Oorcon Well,
let me tell you last night we talked about this with Kevin, Kevin
or Sammy? Uh yesterday some are the better teams in the country. Yeah,
guess who lost that with Sammy yesterday? Yeah? No, no Sammy
or Kevin because it was last a couple days about who guess who lost last
night? One of the teams that you thought, another one Kentucky right at
home, at home, at home, and then gets another one who just
made the twenty five And Richard, you better called out because your momentum were
your Lobos sucks because they make it to the top twenty five and guess what
take it in the shorts. There's no such thing as momentum. You can't
tell our You can't tell our our listeners that they saw I could tell the
New Mexico because that happened. I mean, honestly, every day's an adventure,
which is fun. Yeah, but guess what when you're the adventure,
isn't that so fun? Yeah? Oh man, I don't know. I
don't know, but you know again, you know, I don't know what
to expect. I didn't even looked at the line name. But what you
guys know what the no I it's like seventeen. I haven't even looked at
I'll say, I'll say, yeah, that's a good one. I'll say
nineteen. You think it's nineteen? Yeah, you don't think it's over twenty
way they know last time at their place, it could be. I'll say
nineteen though, let's see, I'm looking it up right now. Typically they
were doing really well. It gets to spread. No, not so much.
Yeah, okay, it makes for good radio, it does, it
really does. It's nineteen nineteen, okay, cool, And I didn't know
then over under a one sixty and a half. I wouldn't touch it the
nineteen a little, especially the team that doesn't give you full confidence. Yeah
does it? It doesn't. But you know they can. You know,
they can blow you out by forty, right, or they can you know,
you can take it down to the way. I don't think the lose,
but I could see the game being a twelve, thirteen to fourteen point
point game depending on how Cal plays. I think Cal is playing better than
they were the last time Arizona played them, So I don't know. I
think both well now that we're not gonna see him anymore after this year,
Stanford and Cal are on the up on the up. I don't know how
they're gonna do in the ACC, but they have they have better coaches.
Now, you know who's there coaching them? Now? God, I can't
forget. I can't remember the guy's name. Who the coach at Cal Madison,
Mark Matson and Stanford. The only reason I remember because he was at
Stanford, right, and the Cal guys at Stanford. I couldn't get Jared
has out of my brain. He's the Stanford I mean, the the yeah,
the Stanford coach. But I'm trying to look real quick. You know
Cal is what? Uh there are seventh or eighth in the league. Yeah,
but there, I just had it up here they are. They are
four and five and eight and twelve, eight and twelve overall in the league.
Yeah, but more recently I think they've done a little better more recently,
right, yes, no, yes, no, yeah, I think.
So they're coming off went over Stanford, they beat and they beat Washington
State, which is not a bad team. Washington State's fourth in the league.
So it's Arizona, Oregon, Colorado. Hole the moment, Steve,
Okay, you call it what you want. I want to call it.
They got they got nothing reminds me. It reminds me. You know when
the citizens used to know and they you know, they're gonna commine they're gonna
have like great uniforms onto that'll be a double whaan. I remember when when
Kelvin used to coach at Washington State and the citizen used to do I used
to do the matchup pairings, who had an advantage blah blah blah, and
I had there's a thing called intangibles, and and I put Arizona had all
the intangibles. Watched you say had no intangibles? Where's vera? You got
intangible? Got all over. He was funny. It was funny. But
okay, Kevin, could you tell me what they were? They get there
and he's a good guy. Okay, So okay, what else anything going
on? You went to see tennis last night? I saw I've been seeing
some tennis. Yeah they're I mean they're playing well. They're one of the
sports here that that's on the rise right now. Yeah, we had the
coach here. Very refreshing, very refreshing. He's really good. Well he's
he's great every time, you know what you can tell he's I was excited
to talk about his team. Yeah, he's he likes what he's doing,
he likes how he's going about things, and you know, and they're winning.
And you know, anytime you're coaching and you're winning, you feel a
whole lot better about yourself. They got a lot of energy like it.
Right, Okay, so basketball, did you see a tweet today? It's
been an old tweet, but I think it got through somehow, and I
guess it's legit from Nause, the girl of right Nause about why she really
left the team. No, she tweeted it. She but it was a
while ago and someone retweeted it and I saw it because Mike Luke had a
like a oh wow or oh no or whatever, go to Michael Luke's thing,
and this was like, you know, she left because of academics and
and schooling. And then I guess later she tweeted something that well, the
real reason was it's toxic. She said that the team was not the situation
was toxic. And you saw that what they're doing now, right, They're
gonna have some some walk on walk on tryouts because there's not enough TCUs going
through the same thing. I hope that's not the case, but but you
know, there's a lot of things going on. Uh, we think the
world of idea, right. Yeah, She's done a great job to get
the program where it's at. So we'll see what happens with that, because
I think the future with the with the with the women that she has on
the roster, if they stay, it hasn't got a chance. Yeah,
they've got a chance. Yeah, they've got some players. It's just they
don't have enough of them right now. I just don't have enough of them,
right and so have left. That makes it kind of suspicious. But
but you know, and the games that they're in, they're in some games
despite having just six seven players, yes, yeah, I think seven?
Yeah, how do you how do you? How do you coach a team
like that when you only have seven? Yeah, and you are gonna get
into foul trouble. You're gonna get It's not gonna be easy. That's for
darch. And imagine this situation in men in the men's basketball, right yeah,
if you got one center trouble, right, well, that goes to
show you. And we talked about this this week earlier this week said about
Arizona's depth. They're playing seven or eight, right, They're playing seven eight.
He's trust the seven eight in big games because that's all we have kind
of now, although tonight maybe Saturday Sunday will be not so big games.
You think, Well, he be able to put what she found it and
it was on It was on Instagram, okay o Instagram, Insta and she
said the school I played for was a toxic environment. I was losing love
for the game and needed to leave a play per after I graduate medical school
and my basketball career isn't right. So I saw someone tweeted that from the
Instagram. But yeah, yeah, I thought Women's Who Network put that up
there. Yeah, they must have found it. And I mean we've kind
of thought that there's there's some issues with you know, some people leaving.
But you know, what's a toxic environment and what is not a good environment
for an individual player? Yeah? Right, you don't know. Uh,
I mean there's there's players that don't like where they're at and they don't like
their coach or whatever, and they can call it toxic. Is it toxic
to everybody? There's no way of knowing, you know, there's no way
of knowing, and there's no way we'll ever know without getting into the locker
room unless you have, like you referenced the other day that you know,
or maybe I know, maybe somebody else did at lunch, you know,
like they had when the whole football team went over to the administration office they
complain about Macca. Yeah, and that was that was a total team effort.
Yeah, yeah, a total swarm on that. Yeah, and an
s show for sure. That's an interesting thing. Again, as I said,
it's just you never know what an individual players situation is. I mean,
does it look like there's something, you know, with all the people
who come and go. Maybe, but unless you're there, no way you
can make a judgment. Sure, sure, what's and what's toxic for one
may not be. And I'm not trying to hell by anybody. It's just
it is what it is. Okay. And they play this weekend. There's
a doubleheader you said on Sunday with them, right day? Right, they
the women, Arizona women play at noon against a s U and then the
men play at six uh Stafford against them, and then they must play Friday.
Then do they play Friday? They don't. They don't have one game
this weekend or just one game? Oh okay, okay, goods because it's
you know it's the ASU weekend. Okay, well that's who they play on
Sunday. Okay, all right, cool, anybody want to call? Please
do when we have the line open, Yes, the line open. We
have originate in about to ten minutes, and then in the second hour we're
gonna have We're gonna have Brian Gettle, who is the media person spokesperson for
no for exact science, right, that is that is they they produce or
they manufacture the cold Guard uh test, which is the sponsor of the tournament.
You this is too much information. You don't have to answer. It's
kind of have you done one of those? Because we're the age I know,
I just me either because I've been told to do one. Well I've
I've you know, I get my p s as every every three months and
it still looks really good. I pay attention to that because you know,
it runs in my history history. Yeah, I'm afraid to do it.
You don't want to know either one pretty much. I'm a Hispanic man.
That's our kind of motto. We don't want to Yeah, no, we
don't, we don't. But it's so far, so good. And in
fact, I just this week on Monday, actually had my latest pan.
It looks good. Oh good for I feel like you know I probably got
it. Do that you feel like a sixty year old. I am sixty
four year old. Will a little younger and gave you sixties. I'm going
sixty five. Be a medicare later this year. I can't walk you,
Christ makes feel so old. It make it feel you might have to help
him across the street next time you're here. What my weight is down?
I'm getting back to my playing weight, Steve. But the other thing is
I can't play. The knees are bad, the shoulders bad. When I
played ball with the guys. When I played ball with the guys back home,
I couldn't hit. I was all glove. And now that I got
a little heavy, I could hit. I couldn't run, no glove,
you know, I couldn't run. So what's the point? I knew it
was over for me when I played in I got a slow pitch softball team
with Ryan Finley and those guys Brett Era and my son, and they put
me at first base and the little pop fly went up, you know,
just a fall territory right there in front of the dog, and I nearly
fell down trying to catch it. It hit me in the glove and I
didn't catch it. That's it. I can't even catch a pop fly.
That's my career is over now a n tenth my career is over. So
then they put me a catcher after that, you know, slow pitch softball,
that's like where you put the guy who can't play. Well. What
really got me was that's where we used to put my dad whenever we didn't
have enough players and he was there to watch. We put him there,
and it was like, that's why I am now full circle, baby,
It was all to catch yourself. All right, we're gonna clear out of
here. We're gonna come back. Reggie Gary but joining us. We'll preview
the game and the weekend tonight and ask him some questions just about I want
to ask you some questions about things that have been happening with the team over
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iHeartRadio app. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rovera and Jay Gonzalez
on Fox Sports fourteen to fifty. Hey, welcome back to un the Ball
Here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, he's Jay. Now we
have Reggie Geary from the u A back in the day and one of the
analysts now with on radio, Reggie, how are you. I'm good.
I'm good to you guys. Thank youh having me on great? Great.
We want to pick your brain tonight's game and just what's gone on this year.
I want to go back to some of your time too. But Jay,
I think you have something right. Yeah, Reggie, you know again
Steve and I never having been on the court and having experienced these kinds of
things. So we're gonna pick your brain on this. But you know,
you look at Arizona the last week, week and a half. You know,
they go up to Oregon State, They're playing the last place team in
an environment that's not great. They get beat. Then they come out of
that and you're thinking the world has ended for basketball. They go to Oregon,
first place team in the league and then they beat the hell out of
those guys, and so you know, how, how do you know what's
the frame of mind? And then now they're coming out of Oregon, they
got they've got cal a team that they beat up really badness, kind of
roller coaster of emotions. How is an how is an athlete? One?
Do you sense? How do these things happen? And then how do you
deal? With just the different scenarios you've got pretty much for every game.
Yeah, you know, I mean we always talk about just having that mindset
that when you when you play for the University of Arizona, you always have
a target on your back, you know what I mean, It's always going
to be the other team's biggest game. At the game, they circled at
the game that if they beat you, they're going to talk about, you
know, to their grandkids or with their buddies or teammates twenty years from now
sitting around. And so you have to go into the game knowing that,
hey, people get up for you, that this is a big deal.
Arizona is a big name. And so it just seems, for whatever reason,
a couple of times on the road this year that this group, a
fairly young group in terms of how long they've been together, just the mesics
hasn't sunk in or it sunk in too late, and they realized, oh,
hold on, we're in a game right now, and you know,
whether it was Wall Zoo or organ State this past weekend, you find yourself,
you know, fighting for your life. And in those two instances they
were unable to under you know, to to to defeat a team that was
started bleeding and had momentum. And so when it happened in Corballis this past
week, you know, there there was a lot of question marks. You
know, Arizona had them played particularly great, not not only on those two
road games over the last month. They had got to that level, and
we had saw them play early early in the season, which which saw them
get to number one, and so there was real question where it's going into
Eugene. There was a lot of anxiety and to see how the team was
going to respond, and from my viewpoint, they responded accordingly. And and
and I had an understanding that you have to play hard, almost to the
point of desperation. You know, you don't want to be desperate, you
don't want to be out of control, but that to the point of it,
when you're diving onto the spawns where you in your mind have to come
up with this possession you have to execute, you have to knock these free
throws down, and you have to play at that level at all times or
you know, you can get caught. And so that's the message I think
that we're all hoping that this this group you know, takes Yeah, so
eventually, Well, if you know, and you know you knew this because
you played it for four years, every game is the other team's World Series
or a super Bowl, whatever you said, because that's just the way it
is going in you think that right and play that way, but it doesn't
work that way. It doesn't always work that way. And keep in mind
we're talking about you know, nineteen eighteen, nineteen twenty twenty one year old.
You know, so you know, you have that going. The group
got a lot of success very early. They got maybe a little too early
where they just came out the gate and everyone was, you know, getting
them, patting them on the back and getting them so much praise and the
number one the nation, and you know, it's very interesting, you know,
and how you and how you know you you adjust to that, and
a lot of times sometimes that that kind of praise and accolades can be toxic.
You can get into your group and really that you're thinking that you're more
than that you are in terms of like I don't need to play hard.
All I do need to do is walk out and New Jersey will will do
it for me. And that's not the case. You have to go out
there and beat people on the court. And I think that that message is
getting through, but you know it's an ongoing thing throughout the season. Well
that said, nug read, here's the team, here's the team coming into
your place where you're very comfortable that you wailed on you know the last time
you played, I mean they were Cal was I mean they were never in
I'm trying to look here at the beginning of the game. Is it was
twenty four to five, twenty six to five at their place. So how
do you not come out of the Oregon game going Okay, we're back and
then step on the court against Cal and not kind of rest on that.
Yeah, you just can't. You just have to, you know, realize
that, you know, there's only there's only certain things you can control,
and one of those things you can controls your effort and energy and how you
approach the game. And you have to come out with that right, that
right mindset, or it's going to occur again. And so I always play
from position of like of just kind of a little bit of fear in terms
of I don't want to get embarrassed, I don't want to lose. The
only way I can counteract that is just to play as hard as I can
and be relentless and persistent and just you know, doggedly determined as I can.
And so you just have to have that mindset because keep in mind,
yeah we did go up to Berkeley and and and really you know, just
you know, just take them out of the game from the very beginning.
But this is a cal team that's playing better right now. They've won four
of the last six. They beat us LA at Pauly Pavilion, they went
home and beat a Colorado team that's pretty good, only lost to Organ by
seven. And Eugene beat Washington, beat Washington State, you know, be
cow I mean, excuse me, beat Washington State and Stanford. So this
is the thing that you know, has a new coach and Jared Hass.
The first time we saw them, they were discombogulated, had the worst shot
selection on Earth, probably weren't doing the things naturally. The coach won it.
But over the last three and a half weeks they start to come together,
and so they're believing a little bit right now, They're going to come
in there with energy. So if Arizona's going to fall back, that all
the Jersey is just going to win it for us. You know, they're
going to find themselves in trouble. So you're a coach for a long time,
obviously, how do how did you communicate this to the guys you were
playing? How old were they too, They're in the mid twenties, I'm
assuming. Yeah, so I know. I I I've coached for fourteen years.
I was at the high school level. I was with coach Olsen for
a few years here at the University of Arizona. I was at SFU and
with Matt Doherty, and then I was a head coach for eight years.
I have almost five hundred, you know games as a head coach in uh
D League and also six years in Japan. And so most of the guys
I've worked with, especially as a head coach, I know they were they
were professionals, not with the NBA experience, Guys who had graduated college or
had long term overseas experience, and so deperate motivation factor. You know,
it's you know, now, these guys are professionals, are playing for money.
So now we're talking about mortgages and and and you know, kids tuition
and their livelihood, and so maybe getting that message across it a little bit
a little bit easier, especially in the fact that you can be cut if
you're not playing well, and I'll bring another American in here. So it's
a little bit more than a colder world. But when I was dealing with
college kids, it was just, you know, just getting them to understand
that it's the other team's biggest night. Coach Olsen always used to say,
Hey, having Arizona on your chest isn't enough to get you excited. That
maybe you came to the wrong place, just knowing that they're you know,
there's a target on you and they're coming after you, and you have to
prove, you know that you're a LEA level player and this is a lead
level program. No, no, I was going to go there with you.
Sometimes it didn't always work. In fact, let me say this.
You were doing the game this weekend. There was a shot of the assistant
coach Rick. Is it Rick? Who's the assistant? Yeah? Rick,
So he was he was talking to Pele on the sidelines, and I felt
like it was kind of like indifferent to the instruction or listening to the coach.
I don't know if you saw that. I noticed it too, and
I'm thinking that's strange. And then someone texting me later and night says,
don't think kids listening. I'm thinking, no, kids don't care. I
mean you, how do you how do you deal with the kids because they're
kids and you you have kids, and we all have kids, they don't
really want to listen. Yeah, you know, I really can't speak on
on that. You know, I'm sitting their court side kind of looking at
the game, so I don't really get an opportunity to set to bench or
or what's going on there. You know, I think all the guys respect
to you know, respect the coaches. Sometimes you're frustrated with your own play
and then it's like something like a parent comes over to you and tell me
what you do wrong. You don't want to hear it. But I think,
for for me, from you know, my opinion, you know,
to get players to listen to you, you know, to really do what
you want them to do to a degree or take your suggestion. At least
for me, it comes from a place of caring that you know, it
started from day one when they first you know, in the recruitment or women
on campus. That I think, if if, if you really invest in
a kid and really get to know him on a personal level, and you
have a touch point with him every single day, and in practice, you
know, you're communicating to hey, everything that I'm working with you and telling
you is just better man, And I just want your dreams to come true.
And if they believe that and care and realize that you care about them,
then when he's having those moments of frustration or times that you need to
talk with him, he's more accepting. So I think comes from a place
of this relationship before you know, instruction. All right, So you you
you were at the at the last cal game and then you were just talking
about how they're playing so much better. Right now, what's been the difference
over there? When? What do we expect to see tonight? Yeah,
I mean, like I said, the first time he saw them, if
they just didn't know a good shot from a bad shot, if they just
seem you know, they And I'm gonna give our credit, our defense credit
as well. I thought defensively we were really good that night. We were
engaged, took them out of a lot of their actions. So popping that
tape in there to show the guys, hey, when we're playing at a
high level, we can be disruptive. We can really take this team out.
If we do that, we have enough firepower to really, you know,
blow them out again would be the message. But to say, hey,
this team is playing better, they're playing better on the road, they're
playing better at home, and we need respect them and that if you look
at a Jalen Tyson, you know, Jalen Tyson is one of the top
scores, if not the top scorer in the PAC twelve right now. Dangerous
player, uh Keyante Kennedy. You know, he had a fantastic game against
I think Stamford last time out with with his energy and what he brought.
He's an older player, so they have they have a couple of dudes,
and I'm sure they're gonna do whatever they can to see if they can hang
around late and steal one. But you know, I think Arizona still has
the horses to kind of pull away. Yeah, no, I agree with
you. Also, just with you with you, Riggie, because you know,
obviously I covered you for all that time. You guys only lost back
to back games three times? What was the magic with that? Tommy hasn't
lost any but three in your four years is pretty good. Yeah, I
think that's really good. I mean I did. I didn't know that number,
to be honest with you, but yeah, you know, you just
you hope you learn from your mistakes. And I think maybe during you know,
the ninety two through ninety six seasons, we had we had leaders on
our team that if we if we did have a loss, that you know,
they were going to be honest. The coaching staff was going to be
honest in a good way, so it wouldn't occur again. So it only
happened three times. I take him on a pride in that that that,
you know, we learn from our lessons and we try to get better.
So one of the other big things that I've been talked about recently is the
play of Kyl and Boswell had a really nice game against Oregon on Saturday.
How many games, let's say, if you're in a slump, how many
games do you how many games good games do you have to have before you
consider yourself out of a slump or or where you feel like, Okay,
I've got my stuff back together. It's obviously it's not just one, right,
but how many does it take for you to feel Okay, I got
it back. Yeah, that's a good question. I think I probably would
say three to five games. Somewhere in there. We're like, Okay,
I got my groove back, I'm feeling good. Like you know, I
think probably three five is a good number. You know, Kylin, he's
a really good basketball player, keep in mind, you know, and he's
not an excuse. It's just the reality of the situation. He's only eighteen
years old. He's still learning a lot about himself and the game, you
know, you know, even as good as he is right now, there's
still, you know, so much more. And I watched him, and
I'm a big fan of his, and I'm just like, man, this
kid's gonna get such a bright future if he just keeps studying and learning,
because he puts the work in. He comes in, he puts the shots
up, with his staff, with his father. I mean, so he
puts the work in. You know, he just got caught in his head
there, which a lot of young players do. And you know, it's
probably in all Honestly, the first time he struggled, I'm sure at the
zero points he had, you know, the two games, especially that first
one, I'm sure that's the first time that ever happened to him. So
he took a little you know what I mean, he took he took a
little knock to the psyche. To his credit, he worked his way out
of it in the organ game. He needs to build upon that tonight.
But you know, to go back to the answer, I say three to
five games, all right, Yeah, okay, that's a good question because
I'll bring it up late. I mean, like we got if we have
a bad show, we got to have three or five good ones before we
can say yes, we've had a momentum with three or four or five bad
shows. That's why we have Reggie. So how how do you stop a
bad Yeah? I always encourage kids to double down. I always when I
was playing, or especially especially when I was coaching and I was working with
guys you know, through that process, and I even I even spoke to
uh, you know, uh, you spoke to to some bar players that
hey, when you're struggling, double down. You know, we brought you
here here at the University Arizona, an elite level program because you're you showed
in high school that you're an elite level player, and you've showed that during
your time here. You know, fall back on that confidence. But double
down on aggression. Don't shrink away if you're if you're missing shots and you're
a good shooter, don't stop shooting. You know, take a little bit
of the Caleb Love mentality and say, hey, I'm going to shoot my
way out of it. It becomes a return to the team. The coach
will pull you out and pull you aside and he'll do some adjustments. But
as a player, stay competent, stay what you do. Stay in your
bag. In terms of like, you know, go do what you do
well. You know, do what you do well, and have confidence in
that, and eventually the percentages will even themselves out. You will find you'll
find your place. Okay, super, So you finally got my book.
Obviously, did you read your chapter? The first the first thing you did
have? I had so funny said that I got. Thank you for the
books. I appreciate that. When you gave it to my son grabbed it
and he was sitting in the back seat and he and he read it,
and uh and he said, Dad, I read your chapter and I thought
that was pretty cool. So thank you for that. But I haven't had
a chance yet. It's been a while. I can't get read it because
if you had, I would have said, you haven't called me with any
complaints factual errors. Okay, we'll talk to you next time. You do.
So, Jay, when you asked that question of Reggie with the how
do you get out of so? When is momentum? So? What is
momentum? His one game is that momentum right now? Exactly? I didn't
say that. No, no, but that's what I know he's going.
No. Look, I've you know, I'll put this on my golf thing.
Okay, I'll play terrible, I'll have a great round. Right then.
I think I'm gonna do it again. I think, you know,
I think exactly. And I come out the next time and I played like
I did two rounds ago. I was crap, exactly. No, you
know, I get it. And that's a great, great analogy because that's
where it's mostly right. Because in golf you have one winner one weekend,
another winning one. We can't they can't really put them together. Yeah,
and you know, and I do feel, you know, golf is you
know, you know, one of the few sports that I play anymore.
But you know, I play that and I have a great round of golf,
and I think I'm gonna do that again the next time and the next
time and then yeah, I you know it takes me another year to have
another round, Like, well, the thing is and it's an individual sport.
It's on you, right, not a team, not anybody else another
team. Thing right, Okay, okay, all right, let's take our
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hero on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jacinsaus got our
guy sid and today I was trying to figure out your last name, and
I could remember, so I did say, Sid just said all the guys
have first name. So we didn't want any stockers kids with stockings, Right,
Okay, Hey, so what else is going on? Well? And
I like the conversation with Reggie, you know, and again the bottom line
is you're talking, you're talking about kids, and they're they're you know,
inconsistency, inconsistencies, and you know, in terms of one, you know,
one game to the next. Yes, you know, if you're at
Arizona, you know, the expectation is that you're gonna go out there and
have you know, the team you're playing is it means everything to them,
and you've got to get up to that level, you know, right,
You've got to get up to that level of call it intensity or whatever.
And if you don't, you're gonna run the risk that you're gonna get beat
And they've been beaten a couple of times. We talked with you about this
before, right, you played soccer baseball. It's called human nature. It
happens in high school high school sports as well. When you get I know,
for my team, we had a high seed my senior year and we
hosted a playoff game God beat. So it's just yeah, I mean,
yeah, you know, you just don't know. And then we've seen it
over the years. You know. I was talking about that, you know,
that Alabama game in the in the in the ninety you know tournament where
they just said, we didn't come out ready to play. And there's been
other games like that in other situations like that. Well, I'll give you
two East Tennessee State in Santa Clair, right of which Dredgy was part of
it. And how do you explain that except that you just weren't ready.
Yeah, and you know, and that's why, that's why one of the
things that you know, you know, people want to see. I think
people want to see some panic or something or some anxiousness, anxiety and Tommy
Lloyd and he's not going to he knows, he knows that this is what
you're dealing with when you're dealing with college athletes, white situations. Just to
get out there and get them to play their asses off the next game,
which is what he's always been able to do because he has yet to lose
two games in a row, you know, since he's been here. So
he always gets his guy, he gets their attention for sure, you know,
because they always come out and play well the next time around. But
you know, they had this stretch of going six and five, you know,
and you know they beat Oregon and now they've got, you know,
a couple of games at home, hopefully gets some momentum this weekend, Steve,
and then head to the Mountain schools next week, which is going to
be a very hard road. It's going to be a very tough situation.
Given to history, give right, right, Utah Colorado have proven to be
tough places for Arizona to play. Maybe that gets their attention, right,
they know, Look, we don't we you know, we been beaten here
a whole bunch. Let's let's get our a game on both games, right,
Okay, good luck. We'll get to that next week, going yeah,
exactly, Well we get to that. Okay, let's talk about that
subject. You're talking about the coaches? Yeah, so okay, so,
uh, you're you're gonna initially think why are you even talking about this?
But Jeff Hafley, who's been the head coach at the at Boston College of
four years. As the head coach there, he leaves Boston College to go
be the defensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers. So he's taken a coordinator
job, an assistant coaching job in the NFL, and you'd rather do that
than be the head coach at Boston College. Pete Thamil, who who from
ESPN who broke the story, said he has a source that said part of
the departure, blaming part of the departure unquote the state of things at the
college level where coaching has become fundraising nil and recruiting your own team and transfer,
which is what we've been talking about. How it's it's less ex's and
o's and and and and trying to win games and more of the outside stuff
just to hold your team together and all the stuff that you got to do,
you know, reasons that we talk about. We talk with Mike Andre,
we talk with Dave Rubil, We've talked with Andy Lopez that they do
not want to be coaches in this in this environment. And then in light
of that, Kirk herb Street, who you know, sort of the college
you know, the uh everybody people listen to him, tweets out college CFB.
College football in its current state will be seeing more and more coaches heading
to the NFL without boundaries and regulation that makes sense, coaches get real opportunities
in the NFL will be gone. This trend will continue until there is a
new governing body and he creates a CBA collective bargaining agreement with it's a players
entity or union that would include issues like n A L, NIL transfer portal
and eventually revenue sharing. The sport aspiraling this is this statement really worries me.
The sport is spirally not out of control as we know, and many
of these coaches are not sticking around and waiting just a new reality for the
sport. Hard about spiraling out of control? You know the podcast that I
listened to everyone, uh, the College Football Inquire with with Pat Forty,
Dan Wetzel and Ross Stalinger. They've like the last three podcasts have been about
all this stuff. You know, this lawsuit by Tennessee yesterday and it just
makes you feel like, how can college athletics survive this? How can they
even survive? They're not going to They're going to know because because with the
laws that need to be put in play, with what the laws of our
our country are regarding employment and anti trust and all those things, how can
college athlete athletics be structured in a way to satisfy all the laws, but
and then continue to exist. And I don't see how they won't. It
won't because that's why they need to break off in one yeah, big world
of football and keep that separate from then everything else. Yeah but even Okay,
but let's say that. Yeah, but let's say that happens, Steve.
Even so, unless you get an antitrust exemption like the NFL has and
all the other major sports happen, how do you make rules that comply with
everybody else's employment rules? I don't know how that. I don't that smarter
minds than me. But the thing about is when they gave when they started
this is what three years now, NL, they were not thinking of any
any of any of this and then they open the doors and now they can't
be shut. Yeah, you know, Tennessee files away. Okay, here's
here's one of the bottom line. Nancy double A exists and it's the NCAA
is an organization, is a membership organization of all the all the schools.
Right, all those schools make the rules and approve the rules by voting.
Right, So rules are made. They they vote and say Okay, these
are the rules we're gonna play under. And then Tennessee breaks those rules and
they sue the n C double A saying we don't like these rules. Well
you made the rules. What the hell are you doing? Right, And
that's what a judge ought to say, but instead what a judge is gonna
say, you're right, these rules are bad rules. They're they're they're you
know, you can't have these rules, so Tennessee, you don't get in
trouble. You know, Tennessee was out, you know, getting nil deals
with players that hadn't even signed with Tennessee. And that's what that's what they're
being investigated on. Tennessee was part of those rules being rules, right,
and now they're finding a lawsuit against those rules. Right. Well, there's
so many things with these rules and non rules. Because it's not so much
Jay, you're on the team, we're gonna give you ten thousand dollars.
It's it's it's now as an enticement rank well and and you know, and
and I wasn't smart enough to think of this, but I you know,
again, listening to the podcast, I heard this, and I said,
I understand what they're what Tennessee is saying is if we can't offer money money
to a player before they get here, then how can they make an informed
decision on where they want to go Because because other schools, right, because
you may go to Tennessee may say Okay, we're gonna give you this.
Well, they can't say that it's against the most So they get to Tennessee.
Then they find out what they're getting and they've signed with Tennessee. Then
they find out Washington might have given them more, and they said, well,
that's again, that's not American. You know, you should be able
to provide your services to the highest bidder. You get to do that,
I get to do that. It'll get to do that when he, you
know, goes looking for a job out of college, right, you're going
to find a job that is a combination of the place you want to work
and the money you want to make. So let me ask you guys,
both of you guys and maybe some callers or two. Do you think they
should have even opened the door to n L They could, They couldn't stop
it, Steve. It was under they had already lost in court that players
were allowed to make money off their name, image and like, but they
couldn't stop it. But it's not in this way. I mean, it's
well, that's just it. Then then they tried they didn't make any rules,
and then they tried to make it. They did not prepare for what
that. Yeah, and the lack of preparation is yeah, yeah, yeah.
They thought this is never going to happen, and then it did and
then they were stuck. But even so, but Tennessee is saying is there
shouldn't be rules. They're they're saying, this athlete should be able to go
out to Tennessee and Alabama and Georgia and see where and see who's you know,
who's going to provide them? Do you know the best place to be
that happens, you know, No, of course it happens. But it's
against the rules. Of course. No, there's different. That's what Tennessee
is getting getting in trouble for you. I get it. So there are
rules before all this. Now the rules for this. You know that they're
going to circummend those rules. But back to the back to the point of
the coach uh leaving Washington College to the NFL. They don't want to deal
with this. I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. We've seen, We've
talked to the coaches. Uh, they make a lot of money to do
it. I think they taste it. They get there and then realize,
what the heck did I get myself into? I need to get the hell
out. I mean, do you think the Jetfish, now that he's at
Washington where he's now bidding against the big boys for the best players? You
know, uh, you know to going that he's not going to just get
sick of that and want to get into the NFL as soon as he possibly
can. What did we talk about? What's his next step to the NFL
Florida or the next or the NFL. But you know, any coach show
is you know, there's going to be a point where I I I'd rather
go to the NFL where free agency in the front office. Yeah yeah,
and I can just coach. The problem is there's aren't going to be very
many jobs in the NFL. Yeah, we've already seen how quickly, so
I want to do the NBA. Oh we don't want you. You're not
good enough. Okay, good luck, good for you, good luck with
that. Yeah. It's like these kids, honestly, these kids who declare
you know how many people declare and guess what they don't end up on a
roster? Well, whose problem is that? Yeah? So you know it,
Just see what my my heart burnt on. This is that college college
you know, particularly college football, but college athletics as a whole. It's
just not gonna be what we grew up watching it be. And it's it's
gonna become up it is now it's professional sports. And to me, it's
like the beauty of it was that it wasn't professional sports. It was about
your school and and your your allegiances to that school and and you know,
and playing for a school. No, well it is, I mean,
that's what it's supposed to be. And but it's not gonna be that any
For most it is because you're cheering these the name on the back or the
name on the front right the back. And there's another reason why I'm not
a sports fan because and I don't play your fantasy league because you have to
be loyal to the players that you picked. But that's why I'm not any
good. I'm loyal to the people I picked and I should be trading them
away to get better players. And that's why. And now do you know
outside the Dodgers, do you know have the rosters anywhere else? I don't
know the Dodgers roster. To my point, I know about eight guys.
You know my point because back in when I was your age, said I
knew, you knew the twenty five guys. No, I could give a
crap, because it's too dificult to understand where. You don't know who's where.
Absolutely NFL, I know, even growing up in the o waits and
even find I'm sure you guys too. NFL teams you had three players that
that's these are their guys, but now you don't know they may not then
may be elsewhere the next year. So sure, and there usually wide receivers
who are completing in one of these things. And that's why I haven't bought
jerseys in a while as well, because you buy a jersey, right and
then boom. Yeah. I make fun of people who go to games still
wearing jerseys for a guy who played on that team and has played on two
other teams since then. Right, okay, perfect example, my wife,
Justin Turner has been one of her favorite players. Right, She's got a
Justin Turner Dodger shirt and she's got a Justin Turner Red Sox shirt. I
was making fun of her the other day. Now the Blue Jays not get
the Blue Jays one, so you know, yeah, he went to When
did he go to the Blue Jays this week? Ah? Sid, My
wife's really going to be upset. It's gonna cost you another. I gotta
go get her another damn shut all right, she's gonna be really upset.
I hope she's listening all right, Top of the Hour, Well, be
right back with Sid and breaking new