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Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Do

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you know what time it is?
Jay, It's three o'clock. You know

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what you're supposed to be doing?
I crept up. I crept up on

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me really fast. Radio. Do
you know where you're at? Yeah?

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I was here yesterday about this time. Welcome everybody to Eye on the Ball.

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You're a Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
I'm Steve Rivera, you're jago'saw.

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You know what last I checked?
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our boys sit in with us to
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day. Two and a half men
in today. Welcome to Thursday game.

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After this, we think there's anybody's
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do this because all this other stuff
that we do it gets in the way,

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do I know? But then we
have to give up that other stuff?

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Yeah, decisions, decisions exactly.
This is hey. But if we're

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asking serious, he's serious, we
need an nil deal. We do need

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ann il deal. You know we
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yeah, you know, or or
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chicken yeah, McDonald's yeah, you
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yeah, whatever you got, baby
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okay, cool, Hey, welcome
to Thursday. There's a game tonight,

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so stay up. You might take
a nap. Six thirty Yeah,

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but the game dirty game. Yeah, but in six thirty eight, thirty

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nine, ten and get out by
the Left ten thirty. Yeah, I've

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done it. Yeah, there you
get to go. I have to listen

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to a press cover, so then
figure out what rhymes with something, yeah,

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exactly. Yeah. Okay, Well
they take col today. Uh we're

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going to have a preview kind of
with Reggie Red Gary pick his brain a

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little bit on you know. My
question is what happens to a team?

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How does Oregon State happen? And
then you're coming out of that feeling terrible

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about how you played, and then
Oregon happens, right, and you feel

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like, okay, we got our
stuff together. Now they got cal a

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team they beat the crap out of
just a few weeks ago. And how

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do you get up for that?
And you know as an that you know,

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we've never been in that position,
Steve, as athlete, So I'd

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love to find out from Reggie,
you know what's in the mind of an

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athlete going from kind of extremes,
right, feel really crappy of a sudden,

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you feel really good and now you
got to play a team that you

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know you can kick their butt.
Right. Well, he's he's known as

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a player and as a coach,
So we'll ask him both because you know

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what, his teams as a player
didn't escape what happened last night. It

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happened to them, right, and
it happened probably a time or two.

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And I you know, and I
get it. You know, eighteen to

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twenty two year old kids, they
have ups and downs. And we've always

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talked about all the many things that
can be impacting them. Now you add

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on you know, nil and transfer
portal stuff that's on their minds, you

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know, wherever they're playing. But
you know, just those ups and downs.

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You know, again, Oregon State
had no business beeding in Arizona.

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But then after losing to Oregon State
or Arizona had no business beating Oorcon Well,

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let me tell you last night we
talked about this with Kevin, Kevin

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or Sammy? Uh yesterday some are
the better teams in the country. Yeah,

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guess who lost that with Sammy yesterday? Yeah? No, no Sammy

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or Kevin because it was last a
couple days about who guess who lost last

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night? One of the teams that
you thought, another one Kentucky right at

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home, at home, at home, and then gets another one who just

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made the twenty five And Richard,
you better called out because your momentum were

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your Lobos sucks because they make it
to the top twenty five and guess what

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take it in the shorts. There's
no such thing as momentum. You can't

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tell our You can't tell our our
listeners that they saw I could tell the

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New Mexico because that happened. I
mean, honestly, every day's an adventure,

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which is fun. Yeah, but
guess what when you're the adventure,

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isn't that so fun? Yeah?
Oh man, I don't know. I

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don't know, but you know again, you know, I don't know what

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to expect. I didn't even looked
at the line name. But what you

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guys know what the no I it's
like seventeen. I haven't even looked at

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I'll say, I'll say, yeah, that's a good one. I'll say

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nineteen. You think it's nineteen?
Yeah, you don't think it's over twenty

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way they know last time at their
place, it could be. I'll say

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nineteen though, let's see, I'm
looking it up right now. Typically they

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were doing really well. It gets
to spread. No, not so much.

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Yeah, okay, it makes for
good radio, it does, it

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really does. It's nineteen nineteen,
okay, cool, And I didn't know

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then over under a one sixty and
a half. I wouldn't touch it the

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nineteen a little, especially the team
that doesn't give you full confidence. Yeah

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does it? It doesn't. But
you know they can. You know,

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they can blow you out by forty, right, or they can you know,

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you can take it down to the
way. I don't think the lose,

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but I could see the game being
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point game depending on how Cal plays. I think Cal is playing better than

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they were the last time Arizona played
them, So I don't know. I

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think both well now that we're not
gonna see him anymore after this year,

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Stanford and Cal are on the up
on the up. I don't know how

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they're gonna do in the ACC,
but they have they have better coaches.

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Now, you know who's there coaching
them? Now? God, I can't

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forget. I can't remember the guy's
name. Who the coach at Cal Madison,

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Mark Matson and Stanford. The only
reason I remember because he was at

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Stanford, right, and the Cal
guys at Stanford. I couldn't get Jared

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has out of my brain. He's
the Stanford I mean, the the yeah,

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the Stanford coach. But I'm trying
to look real quick. You know

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Cal is what? Uh there are
seventh or eighth in the league. Yeah,

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but there, I just had it
up here they are. They are

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four and five and eight and twelve, eight and twelve overall in the league.

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Yeah, but more recently I think
they've done a little better more recently,

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right, yes, no, yes, no, yeah, I think.

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So they're coming off went over Stanford, they beat and they beat Washington

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State, which is not a bad
team. Washington State's fourth in the league.

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So it's Arizona, Oregon, Colorado. Hole the moment, Steve,

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Okay, you call it what you
want. I want to call it.

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They got they got nothing reminds me. It reminds me. You know when

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the citizens used to know and they
you know, they're gonna commine they're gonna

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have like great uniforms onto that'll be
a double whaan. I remember when when

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Kelvin used to coach at Washington State
and the citizen used to do I used

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to do the matchup pairings, who
had an advantage blah blah blah, and

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I had there's a thing called intangibles, and and I put Arizona had all

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the intangibles. Watched you say had
no intangibles? Where's vera? You got

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intangible? Got all over. He
was funny. It was funny. But

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okay, Kevin, could you tell
me what they were? They get there

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and he's a good guy. Okay, So okay, what else anything going

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on? You went to see tennis
last night? I saw I've been seeing

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some tennis. Yeah they're I mean
they're playing well. They're one of the

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sports here that that's on the rise
right now. Yeah, we had the

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coach here. Very refreshing, very
refreshing. He's really good. Well he's

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he's great every time, you know
what you can tell he's I was excited

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to talk about his team. Yeah, he's he likes what he's doing,

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he likes how he's going about things, and you know, and they're winning.

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And you know, anytime you're coaching
and you're winning, you feel a

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whole lot better about yourself. They
got a lot of energy like it.

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Right, Okay, so basketball,
did you see a tweet today? It's

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been an old tweet, but I
think it got through somehow, and I

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guess it's legit from Nause, the
girl of right Nause about why she really

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left the team. No, she
tweeted it. She but it was a

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while ago and someone retweeted it and
I saw it because Mike Luke had a

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like a oh wow or oh no
or whatever, go to Michael Luke's thing,

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and this was like, you know, she left because of academics and

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and schooling. And then I guess
later she tweeted something that well, the

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real reason was it's toxic. She
said that the team was not the situation

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was toxic. And you saw that
what they're doing now, right, They're

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gonna have some some walk on walk
on tryouts because there's not enough TCUs going

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through the same thing. I hope
that's not the case, but but you

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know, there's a lot of things
going on. Uh, we think the

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world of idea, right. Yeah, She's done a great job to get

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the program where it's at. So
we'll see what happens with that, because

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I think the future with the with
the with the women that she has on

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the roster, if they stay,
it hasn't got a chance. Yeah,

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they've got a chance. Yeah,
they've got some players. It's just they

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don't have enough of them right now. I just don't have enough of them,

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right and so have left. That
makes it kind of suspicious. But

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but you know, and the games
that they're in, they're in some games

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despite having just six seven players,
yes, yeah, I think seven?

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Yeah, how do you how do
you? How do you coach a team

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like that when you only have seven? Yeah, and you are gonna get

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into foul trouble. You're gonna get
It's not gonna be easy. That's for

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darch. And imagine this situation in
men in the men's basketball, right yeah,

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if you got one center trouble,
right, well, that goes to

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show you. And we talked about
this this week earlier this week said about

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Arizona's depth. They're playing seven or
eight, right, They're playing seven eight.

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He's trust the seven eight in big
games because that's all we have kind

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of now, although tonight maybe Saturday
Sunday will be not so big games.

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You think, Well, he be
able to put what she found it and

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it was on It was on Instagram, okay o Instagram, Insta and she

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said the school I played for was
a toxic environment. I was losing love

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for the game and needed to leave
a play per after I graduate medical school

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and my basketball career isn't right.
So I saw someone tweeted that from the

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Instagram. But yeah, yeah,
I thought Women's Who Network put that up

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there. Yeah, they must have
found it. And I mean we've kind

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of thought that there's there's some issues
with you know, some people leaving.

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But you know, what's a toxic
environment and what is not a good environment

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for an individual player? Yeah?
Right, you don't know. Uh,

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I mean there's there's players that don't
like where they're at and they don't like

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their coach or whatever, and they
can call it toxic. Is it toxic

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to everybody? There's no way of
knowing, you know, there's no way

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of knowing, and there's no way
we'll ever know without getting into the locker

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room unless you have, like you
referenced the other day that you know,

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or maybe I know, maybe somebody
else did at lunch, you know,

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like they had when the whole football
team went over to the administration office they

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complain about Macca. Yeah, and
that was that was a total team effort.

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Yeah, yeah, a total swarm
on that. Yeah, and an

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s show for sure. That's an
interesting thing. Again, as I said,

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it's just you never know what an
individual players situation is. I mean,

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does it look like there's something,
you know, with all the people

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who come and go. Maybe,
but unless you're there, no way you

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can make a judgment. Sure,
sure, what's and what's toxic for one

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may not be. And I'm not
trying to hell by anybody. It's just

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it is what it is. Okay. And they play this weekend. There's

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a doubleheader you said on Sunday with
them, right day? Right, they

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the women, Arizona women play at
noon against a s U and then the

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men play at six uh Stafford against
them, and then they must play Friday.

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Then do they play Friday? They
don't. They don't have one game

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this weekend or just one game?
Oh okay, okay, goods because it's

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you know it's the ASU weekend.
Okay, well that's who they play on

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Sunday. Okay, all right,
cool, anybody want to call? Please

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do when we have the line open, Yes, the line open. We

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have originate in about to ten minutes, and then in the second hour we're

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gonna have We're gonna have Brian Gettle, who is the media person spokesperson for

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no for exact science, right,
that is that is they they produce or

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they manufacture the cold Guard uh test, which is the sponsor of the tournament.

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You this is too much information.
You don't have to answer. It's

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kind of have you done one of
those? Because we're the age I know,

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I just me either because I've been
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I've you know, I get my
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it still looks really good. I
pay attention to that because you know,

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it runs in my history history.
Yeah, I'm afraid to do it.

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You don't want to know either one
pretty much. I'm a Hispanic man.

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That's our kind of motto. We
don't want to Yeah, no, we

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don't, we don't. But it's
so far, so good. And in

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fact, I just this week on
Monday, actually had my latest pan.

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It looks good. Oh good for
I feel like you know I probably got

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it. Do that you feel like
a sixty year old. I am sixty

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four year old. Will a little
younger and gave you sixties. I'm going

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sixty five. Be a medicare later
this year. I can't walk you,

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Christ makes feel so old. It
make it feel you might have to help

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him across the street next time you're
here. What my weight is down?

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I'm getting back to my playing weight, Steve. But the other thing is

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I can't play. The knees are
bad, the shoulders bad. When I

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played ball with the guys. When
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I couldn't hit. I was all
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a little heavy, I could hit. I couldn't run, no glove,

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you know, I couldn't run.
So what's the point? I knew it

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was over for me when I played
in I got a slow pitch softball team

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with Ryan Finley and those guys Brett
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me at first base and the little
pop fly went up, you know,

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just a fall territory right there in
front of the dog, and I nearly

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fell down trying to catch it.
It hit me in the glove and I

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didn't catch it. That's it.
I can't even catch a pop fly.

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That's my career is over now a
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then they put me a catcher after
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that's like where you put the guy
who can't play. Well. What

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really got me was that's where we
used to put my dad whenever we didn't

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have enough players and he was there
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and it was like, that's why
I am now full circle, baby,

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It was all to catch yourself.
All right, we're gonna clear out of

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here. We're gonna come back.
Reggie Gary but joining us. We'll preview

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the game and the weekend tonight and
ask him some questions just about I want

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to ask you some questions about things
that have been happening with the team over

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on Fox Sports fourteen to fifty.
Hey, welcome back to un the Ball

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Here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
I'm Steve, he's Jay. Now we

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have Reggie Geary from the u A
back in the day and one of the

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analysts now with on radio, Reggie, how are you. I'm good.

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I'm good to you guys. Thank
youh having me on great? Great.

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We want to pick your brain tonight's
game and just what's gone on this year.

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I want to go back to some
of your time too. But Jay,

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I think you have something right.
Yeah, Reggie, you know again

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Steve and I never having been on
the court and having experienced these kinds of

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things. So we're gonna pick your
brain on this. But you know,

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you look at Arizona the last week, week and a half. You know,

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they go up to Oregon State,
They're playing the last place team in

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an environment that's not great. They
get beat. Then they come out of

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that and you're thinking the world has
ended for basketball. They go to Oregon,

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first place team in the league and
then they beat the hell out of

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those guys, and so you know, how, how do you know what's

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the frame of mind? And then
now they're coming out of Oregon, they

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got they've got cal a team that
they beat up really badness, kind of

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roller coaster of emotions. How is
an how is an athlete? One?

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Do you sense? How do these
things happen? And then how do you

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deal? With just the different scenarios
you've got pretty much for every game.

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Yeah, you know, I mean
we always talk about just having that mindset

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that when you when you play for
the University of Arizona, you always have

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a target on your back, you
know what I mean, It's always going

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to be the other team's biggest game. At the game, they circled at

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the game that if they beat you, they're going to talk about, you

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know, to their grandkids or with
their buddies or teammates twenty years from now

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sitting around. And so you have
to go into the game knowing that,

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hey, people get up for you, that this is a big deal.

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Arizona is a big name. And
so it just seems, for whatever reason,

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a couple of times on the road
this year that this group, a

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fairly young group in terms of how
long they've been together, just the mesics

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hasn't sunk in or it sunk in
too late, and they realized, oh,

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hold on, we're in a game
right now, and you know,

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whether it was Wall Zoo or organ
State this past weekend, you find yourself,

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you know, fighting for your life. And in those two instances they

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were unable to under you know,
to to to defeat a team that was

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started bleeding and had momentum. And
so when it happened in Corballis this past

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week, you know, there there
was a lot of question marks. You

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know, Arizona had them played particularly
great, not not only on those two

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road games over the last month.
They had got to that level, and

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we had saw them play early early
in the season, which which saw them

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get to number one, and so
there was real question where it's going into

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Eugene. There was a lot of
anxiety and to see how the team was

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going to respond, and from my
viewpoint, they responded accordingly. And and

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and I had an understanding that you
have to play hard, almost to the

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point of desperation. You know,
you don't want to be desperate, you

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don't want to be out of control, but that to the point of it,

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when you're diving onto the spawns where
you in your mind have to come

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up with this possession you have to
execute, you have to knock these free

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throws down, and you have to
play at that level at all times or

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you know, you can get caught. And so that's the message I think

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that we're all hoping that this this
group you know, takes Yeah, so

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eventually, Well, if you know, and you know you knew this because

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you played it for four years,
every game is the other team's World Series

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or a super Bowl, whatever you
said, because that's just the way it

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is going in you think that right
and play that way, but it doesn't

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work that way. It doesn't always
work that way. And keep in mind

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we're talking about you know, nineteen
eighteen, nineteen twenty twenty one year old.

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You know, so you know,
you have that going. The group

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got a lot of success very early. They got maybe a little too early

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where they just came out the gate
and everyone was, you know, getting

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them, patting them on the back
and getting them so much praise and the

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number one the nation, and you
know, it's very interesting, you know,

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and how you and how you know
you you adjust to that, and

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a lot of times sometimes that that
kind of praise and accolades can be toxic.

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You can get into your group and
really that you're thinking that you're more

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than that you are in terms of
like I don't need to play hard.

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All I do need to do is
walk out and New Jersey will will do

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it for me. And that's not
the case. You have to go out

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there and beat people on the court. And I think that that message is

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getting through, but you know it's
an ongoing thing throughout the season. Well

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that said, nug read, here's
the team, here's the team coming into

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your place where you're very comfortable that
you wailed on you know the last time

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you played, I mean they were
Cal was I mean they were never in

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I'm trying to look here at the
beginning of the game. Is it was

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twenty four to five, twenty six
to five at their place. So how

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do you not come out of the
Oregon game going Okay, we're back and

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then step on the court against Cal
and not kind of rest on that.

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Yeah, you just can't. You
just have to, you know, realize

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that, you know, there's only
there's only certain things you can control,

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and one of those things you can
controls your effort and energy and how you

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approach the game. And you have
to come out with that right, that

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right mindset, or it's going to
occur again. And so I always play

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from position of like of just kind
of a little bit of fear in terms

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of I don't want to get embarrassed, I don't want to lose. The

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only way I can counteract that is
just to play as hard as I can

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and be relentless and persistent and just
you know, doggedly determined as I can.

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And so you just have to have
that mindset because keep in mind,

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yeah we did go up to Berkeley
and and and really you know, just

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you know, just take them out
of the game from the very beginning.

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But this is a cal team that's
playing better right now. They've won four

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of the last six. They beat
us LA at Pauly Pavilion, they went

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home and beat a Colorado team that's
pretty good, only lost to Organ by

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seven. And Eugene beat Washington,
beat Washington State, you know, be

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cow I mean, excuse me,
beat Washington State and Stanford. So this

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is the thing that you know,
has a new coach and Jared Hass.

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The first time we saw them,
they were discombogulated, had the worst shot

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selection on Earth, probably weren't doing
the things naturally. The coach won it.

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But over the last three and a
half weeks they start to come together,

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and so they're believing a little bit
right now, They're going to come

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in there with energy. So if
Arizona's going to fall back, that all

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the Jersey is just going to win
it for us. You know, they're

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going to find themselves in trouble.
So you're a coach for a long time,

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obviously, how do how did you
communicate this to the guys you were

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playing? How old were they too, They're in the mid twenties, I'm

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assuming. Yeah, so I know. I I I've coached for fourteen years.

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I was at the high school level. I was with coach Olsen for

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a few years here at the University
of Arizona. I was at SFU and

408
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:27.519
with Matt Doherty, and then I
was a head coach for eight years.

409
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.759
I have almost five hundred, you
know games as a head coach in uh

410
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.640
D League and also six years in
Japan. And so most of the guys

411
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.039
I've worked with, especially as a
head coach, I know they were they

412
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.799
were professionals, not with the NBA
experience, Guys who had graduated college or

413
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:51.160
had long term overseas experience, and
so deperate motivation factor. You know,

414
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:53.119
it's you know, now, these
guys are professionals, are playing for money.

415
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:59.039
So now we're talking about mortgages and
and and you know, kids tuition

416
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.839
and their livelihood, and so maybe
getting that message across it a little bit

417
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:04.079
a little bit easier, especially in
the fact that you can be cut if

418
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.559
you're not playing well, and I'll
bring another American in here. So it's

419
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.200
a little bit more than a colder
world. But when I was dealing with

420
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.119
college kids, it was just,
you know, just getting them to understand

421
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.440
that it's the other team's biggest night. Coach Olsen always used to say,

422
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.759
Hey, having Arizona on your chest
isn't enough to get you excited. That

423
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.680
maybe you came to the wrong place, just knowing that they're you know,

424
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.599
there's a target on you and they're
coming after you, and you have to

425
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.359
prove, you know that you're a
LEA level player and this is a lead

426
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.880
level program. No, no,
I was going to go there with you.

427
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.279
Sometimes it didn't always work. In
fact, let me say this.

428
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.680
You were doing the game this weekend. There was a shot of the assistant

429
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.119
coach Rick. Is it Rick?
Who's the assistant? Yeah? Rick,

430
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.440
So he was he was talking to
Pele on the sidelines, and I felt

431
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.720
like it was kind of like indifferent
to the instruction or listening to the coach.

432
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.039
I don't know if you saw that. I noticed it too, and

433
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.279
I'm thinking that's strange. And then
someone texting me later and night says,

434
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.480
don't think kids listening. I'm thinking, no, kids don't care. I

435
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.640
mean you, how do you how
do you deal with the kids because they're

436
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.880
kids and you you have kids,
and we all have kids, they don't

437
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:12.480
really want to listen. Yeah,
you know, I really can't speak on

438
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.880
on that. You know, I'm
sitting their court side kind of looking at

439
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.519
the game, so I don't really
get an opportunity to set to bench or

440
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.119
or what's going on there. You
know, I think all the guys respect

441
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:25.240
to you know, respect the coaches. Sometimes you're frustrated with your own play

442
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.240
and then it's like something like a
parent comes over to you and tell me

443
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.799
what you do wrong. You don't
want to hear it. But I think,

444
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.839
for for me, from you know, my opinion, you know,

445
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.039
to get players to listen to you, you know, to really do what

446
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.359
you want them to do to a
degree or take your suggestion. At least

447
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.599
for me, it comes from a
place of caring that you know, it

448
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.640
started from day one when they first
you know, in the recruitment or women

449
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.240
on campus. That I think,
if if, if you really invest in

450
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.720
a kid and really get to know
him on a personal level, and you

451
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:53.839
have a touch point with him every
single day, and in practice, you

452
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:59.000
know, you're communicating to hey,
everything that I'm working with you and telling

453
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.200
you is just better man, And
I just want your dreams to come true.

454
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:06.319
And if they believe that and care
and realize that you care about them,

455
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:11.680
then when he's having those moments of
frustration or times that you need to

456
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.039
talk with him, he's more accepting. So I think comes from a place

457
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.279
of this relationship before you know,
instruction. All right, So you you

458
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:19.720
you were at the at the last
cal game and then you were just talking

459
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.839
about how they're playing so much better. Right now, what's been the difference

460
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.319
over there? When? What do
we expect to see tonight? Yeah,

461
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.559
I mean, like I said,
the first time he saw them, if

462
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.039
they just didn't know a good shot
from a bad shot, if they just

463
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.799
seem you know, they And I'm
gonna give our credit, our defense credit

464
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.359
as well. I thought defensively we
were really good that night. We were

465
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.079
engaged, took them out of a
lot of their actions. So popping that

466
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.640
tape in there to show the guys, hey, when we're playing at a

467
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.079
high level, we can be disruptive. We can really take this team out.

468
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.480
If we do that, we have
enough firepower to really, you know,

469
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.039
blow them out again would be the
message. But to say, hey,

470
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.559
this team is playing better, they're
playing better on the road, they're

471
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.759
playing better at home, and we
need respect them and that if you look

472
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.480
at a Jalen Tyson, you know, Jalen Tyson is one of the top

473
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.160
scores, if not the top scorer
in the PAC twelve right now. Dangerous

474
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.640
player, uh Keyante Kennedy. You
know, he had a fantastic game against

475
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.680
I think Stamford last time out with
with his energy and what he brought.

476
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.000
He's an older player, so they
have they have a couple of dudes,

477
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.119
and I'm sure they're gonna do whatever
they can to see if they can hang

478
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.960
around late and steal one. But
you know, I think Arizona still has

479
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:27.599
the horses to kind of pull away. Yeah, no, I agree with

480
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.240
you. Also, just with you
with you, Riggie, because you know,

481
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.039
obviously I covered you for all that
time. You guys only lost back

482
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:40.279
to back games three times? What
was the magic with that? Tommy hasn't

483
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.279
lost any but three in your four
years is pretty good. Yeah, I

484
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.400
think that's really good. I mean
I did. I didn't know that number,

485
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.160
to be honest with you, but
yeah, you know, you just

486
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.000
you hope you learn from your mistakes. And I think maybe during you know,

487
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.759
the ninety two through ninety six seasons, we had we had leaders on

488
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.160
our team that if we if we
did have a loss, that you know,

489
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.920
they were going to be honest.
The coaching staff was going to be

490
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.200
honest in a good way, so
it wouldn't occur again. So it only

491
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.799
happened three times. I take him
on a pride in that that that,

492
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.079
you know, we learn from our
lessons and we try to get better.

493
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.160
So one of the other big things
that I've been talked about recently is the

494
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.319
play of Kyl and Boswell had a
really nice game against Oregon on Saturday.

495
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.799
How many games, let's say,
if you're in a slump, how many

496
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.079
games do you how many games good
games do you have to have before you

497
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.839
consider yourself out of a slump or
or where you feel like, Okay,

498
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.400
I've got my stuff back together.
It's obviously it's not just one, right,

499
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:37.720
but how many does it take for
you to feel Okay, I got

500
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:42.960
it back. Yeah, that's a
good question. I think I probably would

501
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.200
say three to five games. Somewhere
in there. We're like, Okay,

502
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.519
I got my groove back, I'm
feeling good. Like you know, I

503
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.039
think probably three five is a good
number. You know, Kylin, he's

504
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.799
a really good basketball player, keep
in mind, you know, and he's

505
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:59.559
not an excuse. It's just the
reality of the situation. He's only eighteen

506
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.440
years old. He's still learning a
lot about himself and the game, you

507
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.599
know, you know, even as
good as he is right now, there's

508
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.039
still, you know, so much
more. And I watched him, and

509
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.119
I'm a big fan of his,
and I'm just like, man, this

510
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.119
kid's gonna get such a bright future
if he just keeps studying and learning,

511
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.000
because he puts the work in.
He comes in, he puts the shots

512
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.000
up, with his staff, with
his father. I mean, so he

513
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.240
puts the work in. You know, he just got caught in his head

514
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.400
there, which a lot of young
players do. And you know, it's

515
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.279
probably in all Honestly, the first
time he struggled, I'm sure at the

516
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.480
zero points he had, you know, the two games, especially that first

517
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.359
one, I'm sure that's the first
time that ever happened to him. So

518
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.160
he took a little you know what
I mean, he took he took a

519
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.359
little knock to the psyche. To
his credit, he worked his way out

520
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.000
of it in the organ game.
He needs to build upon that tonight.

521
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.200
But you know, to go back
to the answer, I say three to

522
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.000
five games, all right, Yeah, okay, that's a good question because

523
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.200
I'll bring it up late. I
mean, like we got if we have

524
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.799
a bad show, we got to
have three or five good ones before we

525
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:55.440
can say yes, we've had a
momentum with three or four or five bad

526
00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:01.039
shows. That's why we have Reggie. So how how do you stop a

527
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:07.839
bad Yeah? I always encourage kids
to double down. I always when I

528
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:09.519
was playing, or especially especially when
I was coaching and I was working with

529
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.559
guys you know, through that process, and I even I even spoke to

530
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:15.839
uh, you know, uh,
you spoke to to some bar players that

531
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.359
hey, when you're struggling, double
down. You know, we brought you

532
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.079
here here at the University Arizona,
an elite level program because you're you showed

533
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.640
in high school that you're an elite
level player, and you've showed that during

534
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.319
your time here. You know,
fall back on that confidence. But double

535
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.720
down on aggression. Don't shrink away
if you're if you're missing shots and you're

536
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.359
a good shooter, don't stop shooting. You know, take a little bit

537
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.000
of the Caleb Love mentality and say, hey, I'm going to shoot my

538
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:44.559
way out of it. It becomes
a return to the team. The coach

539
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.680
will pull you out and pull you
aside and he'll do some adjustments. But

540
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:51.559
as a player, stay competent,
stay what you do. Stay in your

541
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.000
bag. In terms of like,
you know, go do what you do

542
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.200
well. You know, do what
you do well, and have confidence in

543
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:00.039
that, and eventually the percentages will
even themselves out. You will find you'll

544
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.200
find your place. Okay, super, So you finally got my book.

545
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.960
Obviously, did you read your chapter? The first the first thing you did

546
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.639
have? I had so funny said
that I got. Thank you for the

547
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:14.119
books. I appreciate that. When
you gave it to my son grabbed it

548
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.159
and he was sitting in the back
seat and he and he read it,

549
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.480
and uh and he said, Dad, I read your chapter and I thought

550
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.880
that was pretty cool. So thank
you for that. But I haven't had

551
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.719
a chance yet. It's been a
while. I can't get read it because

552
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.760
if you had, I would have
said, you haven't called me with any

553
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:34.119
complaints factual errors. Okay, we'll
talk to you next time. You do.

554
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.519
So, Jay, when you asked
that question of Reggie with the how

555
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:44.039
do you get out of so?
When is momentum? So? What is

556
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.119
momentum? His one game is that
momentum right now? Exactly? I didn't

557
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.599
say that. No, no,
but that's what I know he's going.

558
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:55.159
No. Look, I've you know, I'll put this on my golf thing.

559
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.159
Okay, I'll play terrible, I'll
have a great round. Right then.

560
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.239
I think I'm gonna do it again. I think, you know,

561
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.480
I think exactly. And I come
out the next time and I played like

562
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.079
I did two rounds ago. I
was crap, exactly. No, you

563
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.599
know, I get it. And
that's a great, great analogy because that's

564
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.599
where it's mostly right. Because in
golf you have one winner one weekend,

565
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.639
another winning one. We can't they
can't really put them together. Yeah,

566
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.320
and you know, and I do
feel, you know, golf is you

567
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.719
know, you know, one of
the few sports that I play anymore.

568
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:24.079
But you know, I play that
and I have a great round of golf,

569
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:27.440
and I think I'm gonna do that
again the next time and the next

570
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.559
time and then yeah, I you
know it takes me another year to have

571
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:32.320
another round, Like, well,
the thing is and it's an individual sport.

572
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.119
It's on you, right, not
a team, not anybody else another

573
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:37.920
team. Thing right, Okay,
okay, all right, let's take our

574
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.320
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576
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surging I on the Ball. Hey, welcome back to my I'm the Ball

612
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hero on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jacinsaus got our

613
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:36.639
guy sid and today I was trying
to figure out your last name, and

614
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.639
I could remember, so I did
say, Sid just said all the guys

615
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:43.679
have first name. So we didn't
want any stockers kids with stockings, Right,

616
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:45.199
Okay, Hey, so what else
is going on? Well? And

617
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.679
I like the conversation with Reggie,
you know, and again the bottom line

618
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.840
is you're talking, you're talking about
kids, and they're they're you know,

619
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.519
inconsistency, inconsistencies, and you know, in terms of one, you know,

620
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.239
one game to the next. Yes, you know, if you're at

621
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.440
Arizona, you know, the expectation
is that you're gonna go out there and

622
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.039
have you know, the team you're
playing is it means everything to them,

623
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.000
and you've got to get up to
that level, you know, right,

624
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.960
You've got to get up to that
level of call it intensity or whatever.

625
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:17.599
And if you don't, you're gonna
run the risk that you're gonna get beat

626
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.480
And they've been beaten a couple of
times. We talked with you about this

627
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:25.599
before, right, you played soccer
baseball. It's called human nature. It

628
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.000
happens in high school high school sports
as well. When you get I know,

629
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:34.559
for my team, we had a
high seed my senior year and we

630
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:39.000
hosted a playoff game God beat.
So it's just yeah, I mean,

631
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.719
yeah, you know, you just
don't know. And then we've seen it

632
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:44.920
over the years. You know.
I was talking about that, you know,

633
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.199
that Alabama game in the in the
in the ninety you know tournament where

634
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.039
they just said, we didn't come
out ready to play. And there's been

635
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.199
other games like that in other situations
like that. Well, I'll give you

636
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:59.039
two East Tennessee State in Santa Clair, right of which Dredgy was part of

637
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.840
it. And how do you explain
that except that you just weren't ready.

638
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:05.039
Yeah, and you know, and
that's why, that's why one of the

639
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.400
things that you know, you know, people want to see. I think

640
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.920
people want to see some panic or
something or some anxiousness, anxiety and Tommy

641
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.400
Lloyd and he's not going to he
knows, he knows that this is what

642
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.840
you're dealing with when you're dealing with
college athletes, white situations. Just to

643
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.039
get out there and get them to
play their asses off the next game,

644
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.199
which is what he's always been able
to do because he has yet to lose

645
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.920
two games in a row, you
know, since he's been here. So

646
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.159
he always gets his guy, he
gets their attention for sure, you know,

647
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.199
because they always come out and play
well the next time around. But

648
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.880
you know, they had this stretch
of going six and five, you know,

649
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.280
and you know they beat Oregon and
now they've got, you know,

650
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.159
a couple of games at home,
hopefully gets some momentum this weekend, Steve,

651
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.320
and then head to the Mountain schools
next week, which is going to

652
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.760
be a very hard road. It's
going to be a very tough situation.

653
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.079
Given to history, give right,
right, Utah Colorado have proven to be

654
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:57.920
tough places for Arizona to play.
Maybe that gets their attention, right,

655
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.800
they know, Look, we don't
we you know, we been beaten here

656
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.239
a whole bunch. Let's let's get
our a game on both games, right,

657
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:07.920
Okay, good luck. We'll get
to that next week, going yeah,

658
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.039
exactly, Well we get to that. Okay, let's talk about that

659
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.800
subject. You're talking about the coaches? Yeah, so okay, so,

660
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.639
uh, you're you're gonna initially think
why are you even talking about this?

661
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.199
But Jeff Hafley, who's been the
head coach at the at Boston College of

662
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.239
four years. As the head coach
there, he leaves Boston College to go

663
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.119
be the defensive coordinator for the Green
Bay Packers. So he's taken a coordinator

664
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.119
job, an assistant coaching job in
the NFL, and you'd rather do that

665
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.880
than be the head coach at Boston
College. Pete Thamil, who who from

666
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.039
ESPN who broke the story, said
he has a source that said part of

667
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:49.800
the departure, blaming part of the
departure unquote the state of things at the

668
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:54.440
college level where coaching has become fundraising
nil and recruiting your own team and transfer,

669
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.599
which is what we've been talking about. How it's it's less ex's and

670
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.920
o's and and and and trying to
win games and more of the outside stuff

671
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.800
just to hold your team together and
all the stuff that you got to do,

672
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.400
you know, reasons that we talk
about. We talk with Mike Andre,

673
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.599
we talk with Dave Rubil, We've
talked with Andy Lopez that they do

674
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:19.239
not want to be coaches in this
in this environment. And then in light

675
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.360
of that, Kirk herb Street,
who you know, sort of the college

676
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:30.199
you know, the uh everybody people
listen to him, tweets out college CFB.

677
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.000
College football in its current state will
be seeing more and more coaches heading

678
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.880
to the NFL without boundaries and regulation
that makes sense, coaches get real opportunities

679
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.400
in the NFL will be gone.
This trend will continue until there is a

680
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:49.440
new governing body and he creates a
CBA collective bargaining agreement with it's a players

681
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.639
entity or union that would include issues
like n A L, NIL transfer portal

682
00:42:53.639 --> 00:43:00.360
and eventually revenue sharing. The sport
aspiraling this is this statement really worries me.

683
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.440
The sport is spirally not out of
control as we know, and many

684
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.000
of these coaches are not sticking around
and waiting just a new reality for the

685
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:13.760
sport. Hard about spiraling out of
control? You know the podcast that I

686
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.000
listened to everyone, uh, the
College Football Inquire with with Pat Forty,

687
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.400
Dan Wetzel and Ross Stalinger. They've
like the last three podcasts have been about

688
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.639
all this stuff. You know,
this lawsuit by Tennessee yesterday and it just

689
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:32.000
makes you feel like, how can
college athletics survive this? How can they

690
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.119
even survive? They're not going to
They're going to know because because with the

691
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.239
laws that need to be put in
play, with what the laws of our

692
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.559
our country are regarding employment and anti
trust and all those things, how can

693
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:52.599
college athlete athletics be structured in a
way to satisfy all the laws, but

694
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:54.960
and then continue to exist. And
I don't see how they won't. It

695
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.239
won't because that's why they need to
break off in one yeah, big world

696
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.039
of football and keep that separate from
then everything else. Yeah but even Okay,

697
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.320
but let's say that. Yeah,
but let's say that happens, Steve.

698
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:09.000
Even so, unless you get an
antitrust exemption like the NFL has and

699
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:14.400
all the other major sports happen,
how do you make rules that comply with

700
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.559
everybody else's employment rules? I don't
know how that. I don't that smarter

701
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.760
minds than me. But the thing
about is when they gave when they started

702
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.079
this is what three years now,
NL, they were not thinking of any

703
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.440
any of any of this and then
they open the doors and now they can't

704
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.239
be shut. Yeah, you know, Tennessee files away. Okay, here's

705
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:37.800
here's one of the bottom line.
Nancy double A exists and it's the NCAA

706
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.719
is an organization, is a membership
organization of all the all the schools.

707
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:46.440
Right, all those schools make the
rules and approve the rules by voting.

708
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.239
Right, So rules are made.
They they vote and say Okay, these

709
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.760
are the rules we're gonna play under. And then Tennessee breaks those rules and

710
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.639
they sue the n C double A
saying we don't like these rules. Well

711
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.079
you made the rules. What the
hell are you doing? Right, And

712
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.800
that's what a judge ought to say, but instead what a judge is gonna

713
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:07.599
say, you're right, these rules
are bad rules. They're they're they're you

714
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.519
know, you can't have these rules, so Tennessee, you don't get in

715
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.039
trouble. You know, Tennessee was
out, you know, getting nil deals

716
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:22.239
with players that hadn't even signed with
Tennessee. And that's what that's what they're

717
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:27.639
being investigated on. Tennessee was part
of those rules being rules, right,

718
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.679
and now they're finding a lawsuit against
those rules. Right. Well, there's

719
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.480
so many things with these rules and
non rules. Because it's not so much

720
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.000
Jay, you're on the team,
we're gonna give you ten thousand dollars.

721
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.400
It's it's it's now as an enticement
rank well and and you know, and

722
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.280
and I wasn't smart enough to think
of this, but I you know,

723
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.159
again, listening to the podcast,
I heard this, and I said,

724
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:52.199
I understand what they're what Tennessee is
saying is if we can't offer money money

725
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.880
to a player before they get here, then how can they make an informed

726
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.519
decision on where they want to go
Because because other schools, right, because

727
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.880
you may go to Tennessee may say
Okay, we're gonna give you this.

728
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.400
Well, they can't say that it's
against the most So they get to Tennessee.

729
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.320
Then they find out what they're getting
and they've signed with Tennessee. Then

730
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.719
they find out Washington might have given
them more, and they said, well,

731
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.440
that's again, that's not American.
You know, you should be able

732
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.679
to provide your services to the highest
bidder. You get to do that,

733
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:25.000
I get to do that. It'll
get to do that when he, you

734
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.760
know, goes looking for a job
out of college, right, you're going

735
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.079
to find a job that is a
combination of the place you want to work

736
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.519
and the money you want to make. So let me ask you guys,

737
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.760
both of you guys and maybe some
callers or two. Do you think they

738
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.639
should have even opened the door to
n L They could, They couldn't stop

739
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:46.440
it, Steve. It was under
they had already lost in court that players

740
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.360
were allowed to make money off their
name, image and like, but they

741
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.000
couldn't stop it. But it's not
in this way. I mean, it's

742
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.599
well, that's just it. Then
then they tried they didn't make any rules,

743
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.440
and then they tried to make it. They did not prepare for what

744
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.360
that. Yeah, and the lack
of preparation is yeah, yeah, yeah.

745
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.840
They thought this is never going to
happen, and then it did and

746
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.840
then they were stuck. But even
so, but Tennessee is saying is there

747
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:15.159
shouldn't be rules. They're they're saying, this athlete should be able to go

748
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:20.639
out to Tennessee and Alabama and Georgia
and see where and see who's you know,

749
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.719
who's going to provide them? Do
you know the best place to be

750
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:27.440
that happens, you know, No, of course it happens. But it's

751
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.480
against the rules. Of course.
No, there's different. That's what Tennessee

752
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:32.719
is getting getting in trouble for you. I get it. So there are

753
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:36.679
rules before all this. Now the
rules for this. You know that they're

754
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:38.960
going to circummend those rules. But
back to the back to the point of

755
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:44.519
the coach uh leaving Washington College to
the NFL. They don't want to deal

756
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.199
with this. I wouldn't either.
I wouldn't either. We've seen, We've

757
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:50.039
talked to the coaches. Uh,
they make a lot of money to do

758
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.000
it. I think they taste it. They get there and then realize,

759
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:55.679
what the heck did I get myself
into? I need to get the hell

760
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.840
out. I mean, do you
think the Jetfish, now that he's at

761
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.039
Washington where he's now bidding against the
big boys for the best players? You

762
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:06.239
know, uh, you know to
going that he's not going to just get

763
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:07.920
sick of that and want to get
into the NFL as soon as he possibly

764
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:12.880
can. What did we talk about? What's his next step to the NFL

765
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.239
Florida or the next or the NFL. But you know, any coach show

766
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:20.800
is you know, there's going to
be a point where I I I'd rather

767
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.639
go to the NFL where free agency
in the front office. Yeah yeah,

768
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.159
and I can just coach. The
problem is there's aren't going to be very

769
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.360
many jobs in the NFL. Yeah, we've already seen how quickly, so

770
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.559
I want to do the NBA.
Oh we don't want you. You're not

771
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:36.039
good enough. Okay, good luck, good for you, good luck with

772
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.280
that. Yeah. It's like these
kids, honestly, these kids who declare

773
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:43.199
you know how many people declare and
guess what they don't end up on a

774
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.039
roster? Well, whose problem is
that? Yeah? So you know it,

775
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:54.079
Just see what my my heart burnt
on. This is that college college

776
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:59.559
you know, particularly college football,
but college athletics as a whole. It's

777
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:05.840
just not gonna be what we grew
up watching it be. And it's it's

778
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:10.039
gonna become up it is now it's
professional sports. And to me, it's

779
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:14.880
like the beauty of it was that
it wasn't professional sports. It was about

780
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.719
your school and and your your allegiances
to that school and and you know,

781
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.519
and playing for a school. No, well it is, I mean,

782
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:24.039
that's what it's supposed to be.
And but it's not gonna be that any

783
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:28.719
For most it is because you're cheering
these the name on the back or the

784
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.840
name on the front right the back. And there's another reason why I'm not

785
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:36.440
a sports fan because and I don't
play your fantasy league because you have to

786
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.440
be loyal to the players that you
picked. But that's why I'm not any

787
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.199
good. I'm loyal to the people
I picked and I should be trading them

788
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.400
away to get better players. And
that's why. And now do you know

789
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.679
outside the Dodgers, do you know
have the rosters anywhere else? I don't

790
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.280
know the Dodgers roster. To my
point, I know about eight guys.

791
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.000
You know my point because back in
when I was your age, said I

792
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.960
knew, you knew the twenty five
guys. No, I could give a

793
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.559
crap, because it's too dificult to
understand where. You don't know who's where.

794
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.559
Absolutely NFL, I know, even
growing up in the o waits and

795
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:10.760
even find I'm sure you guys too. NFL teams you had three players that

796
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:16.199
that's these are their guys, but
now you don't know they may not then

797
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:21.119
may be elsewhere the next year.
So sure, and there usually wide receivers

798
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.360
who are completing in one of these
things. And that's why I haven't bought

799
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.360
jerseys in a while as well,
because you buy a jersey, right and

800
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.159
then boom. Yeah. I make
fun of people who go to games still

801
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:35.280
wearing jerseys for a guy who played
on that team and has played on two

802
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:39.079
other teams since then. Right,
okay, perfect example, my wife,

803
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.960
Justin Turner has been one of her
favorite players. Right, She's got a

804
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.079
Justin Turner Dodger shirt and she's got
a Justin Turner Red Sox shirt. I

805
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:49.440
was making fun of her the other
day. Now the Blue Jays not get

806
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.679
the Blue Jays one, so you
know, yeah, he went to When

807
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:58.000
did he go to the Blue Jays
this week? Ah? Sid, My

808
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.440
wife's really going to be upset.
It's gonna cost you another. I gotta

809
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.960
go get her another damn shut all
right, she's gonna be really upset.

810
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.320
I hope she's listening all right,
Top of the Hour, Well, be

811
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.480
right back with Sid and breaking new