1 00:00:01,439 --> 00:00:06,799 Off of a weekend that has seen David Benavidez look fantastic in his main event 2 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:11,240 pay per view win over Dimitrios Andre, plus an entertaining card really on the 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,240 pay per view, We're ready to recap that. We're ready to recap the 4 00:00:14,439 --> 00:00:21,320 revenge win for Katie Taylor in Ireland to now become a two division four belt 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,000 undisputed women's champion. We got that to talk about, and on the program, 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,880 we also have the WBC's junior welterweight champion, Reagis Progray coming up here 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,439 on the show Man It's jampacked. I'm TJ Reeves. It's the Fight Freaking 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,960 Night Recap podcast. You are here to hear more from this man. The 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,880 Insider Fight Freaks Unit is his substack after all, Bigfight Weekend dot Com as 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,840 well. Hello Dan Rayfield. Plenty to discuss as we come off the weekend. 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,479 How we feeling as we head into what's about to be the first week 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,600 in December Later on this week, how are you feeling well? You know, 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,119 I'm feeling good, but normally when we get to this time of year, 14 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,960 you know, there's like one or two shows left and by the second 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,000 week of December, at least in my most of my time of writing about 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:10,400 boxing that was sort of like the unofficial offseason was post second week of December 17 00:01:10,879 --> 00:01:14,319 usually through like the second or third week, third week of January. It 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,920 was pretty much nothing going on other than a couple of title fights that would 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,200 typically be on the traditional New Year's weekend in Japan. This year not the 20 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:26,159 case. We got fights every week because you mentioned we got Ryan Garcia coming 21 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:29,719 up, we got the Regis program Haini fight coming up. There's the obviously 22 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:34,040 the the you know, the the flyweight unification between Bam Rodriguez and Sonny Edwards. 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,239 We got the big Mega show in Saudi Arabia the twenty third, plus 24 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:42,519 some other fights that are going on, so plus the Japanese fights. But 25 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:45,400 got in a way going for Undisputed at the end of the year. It's 26 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,120 as busy December as I can remember. We're about to get right into it. 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Again, thank you for finding 28 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,840 us. How are You've done so through a social media link, through Dan 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,920 Substack his newsletter, et cetera. We do our best to promote you can 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,799 help us, rate us, review us, get those going here because it 31 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:05,319 does help us with the algorithms. If you rate and review us, take 32 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,560 ten seconds and do that, especially on Apple podcasts, et cetera. If 33 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:12,120 you like what you're hearing, including the newsmakers, et cetera. As we 34 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,199 keep saying and again, Regi's prograde coming up one on one with Dan prior 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:22,039 to that showdown upcoming with Devin Handy December ninth in San Francisco. All right, 36 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,919 let's get into it. Full disclosure. I was in Indianapolis, Indiana 37 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:28,599 this weekend and on Saturday night, I've returned with my Buccaneers and no Ray 38 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Phiel. I do not want to talk about it. After another loss against 39 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,639 the Indianapolis Colts. You said to me your Giants one on Sunday. I've 40 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,520 not seen the game, but you're conflicted because you like one a better draft 41 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,840 pick right now with your New York team, so because they still stay one, 42 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:47,560 but they're so. The brighter side is the boxing and the pay per 43 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,319 view Saturday night in Las Vegas. I did get to see because of having 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,520 dinner. We traveled there having dinner. College football's on. I did get 45 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,520 to see that Jamal Charlow fight beginning to end. I did see the Benavitas 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,080 fight to the end emphatically at the end of six rounds. So we've got 47 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,759 a lot to go over here from that pay per view. Why don't you 48 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,000 begin here on the discussion with some thoughts. First of all, on the 49 00:03:10,039 --> 00:03:15,719 main event, I'll just say briefly, Benevitez looked fantastic to me. Tell 50 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:17,680 me what you saw. I saw the same thing. I saw a guy 51 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:24,039 that has If you're not familiar with David, now this is like the this 52 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,039 is the blueprint of the way he does his fights. Starts slow, takes 53 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,240 a couple of rounds to figure the guy out, and then let the beatdown 54 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:36,639 begin. Freak figures out what's going on, start coming forward, throwing right 55 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,080 hands, using his uppercut, keeping control of the guy, solid jab when 56 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:46,159 necessary, great chin, and just marching forward, marching forward, marching forward. 57 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,639 And you know it doesn't hurt that in the case of Andred was a 58 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,400 fighter that had been a superb technician and had been a champion in two different 59 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,560 weight divisions. But now you're you know, he's getting into the super midiweight 60 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,080 division, where you know, in certain cases guys can overcome size differences. 61 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,400 But there's the old adage that there's a reason why they created a weight classes, 62 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,000 and this, in my opinion, was one of those reasons because it 63 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:15,560 just looked like a really big guy against a really small guy. And when 64 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:18,360 the really big guy is also a talented boxer and also got a good chin 65 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,639 in good power, that's a very hard kind of mountain to climb. If 66 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,800 you have a great, great, great small guy Mayweather, Roy Jones, 67 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,240 those types of fighters, and they're going up and weight in fighting just good 68 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,160 but not great fighters like I'll use the example of Roy Jones going to fight 69 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,720 John Ruiz. Those are the types of fights where the size is not so 70 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:42,160 much of a bothersome situation. If Andreid was fighting maybe some other superman aweight 71 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,279 Damon Nicholson for example, who he debuted in the weight class against, it's 72 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:48,519 a different ballgame because he's a technician that can box with anybody and he's gonna 73 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:53,439 shut them out like he did against Nicholson in January. David Benavitez is probably, 74 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:56,720 or in arguably I would say, at this moment in time, the 75 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:00,360 second best Supermit Awight in boxing behind the just street a champ Canello Avas and 76 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,079 saw him after seeing that performance. We'll get into that in a minute. 77 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:09,399 Might like David's chances awfully well against Canelo avas So I saw David take two 78 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,959 and a half rounds to sort of work things out, and Andre, you 79 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,279 know, was spirited and wanted to win, came to fight, you know, 80 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:16,639 didn't run or anything like that. And all the people that said he's 81 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:19,040 a boring fighter, you know, could eat their words because I thought that 82 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:24,040 was a very entertaining performance. Despite the loss from Andre, he gave us 83 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,959 our money's worth, in my opinion, showed great heart like I knew he 84 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,120 would. And Benavidez, though he's like that truck going downhill. Man, 85 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:33,040 it's he starts to beat on you and it takes a toll. And the 86 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:36,560 thing about it is tj when you can take a shot and deliver a shot, 87 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,920 your opponents fucked. I mean, maybe that's gonna go on a bumper 88 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,560 stick or too. I didn't know what a punchline would be, but and 89 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:49,680 I will go a step beyond what you're saying here. I think he's a 90 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:56,120 legit threat against Canelo Alvarez to do something similar to Canelo Alvarez. Now I 91 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:59,639 know Alvarez, this could be considered blasphemy. Is a future Hall of Famer, 92 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:03,279 a tremendous fighter, but he's aged and there can be some question marks 93 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:06,720 about some of the competition he's fought in the last couple of years. This 94 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:11,879 guy ain't that he's a lot younger, he's big, he's physical. Yes, 95 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,439 Canelo's gonna have the advantage of having big on the biggest stages and in 96 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,040 with some of the greats previously. But that guy I saw Saturday night is 97 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:24,040 a legit threat to Canelo Alvarez. All right, Well, you never ask 98 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,759 me that before I could agree or disaree. I agree with you. He's 99 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,600 a legitimate threat, no question about it. And that's what we want to 100 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:33,000 see from the biggest boxing stars is dem in fights where they are tested. 101 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,279 And I don't think anybody's going to hold it against David or Canelo if one 102 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,000 of them, if they fight each other in one of them loses the ideas 103 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,720 to see the best against the best. And right now it is inarguable period 104 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,879 that there is another match out there that is a better fight from the point 105 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:55,519 of view of the public, for Canelo Alvarez and for David Denavidez than if 106 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:58,800 they were to fight each other. Now, I understand that it's a business. 107 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:01,079 Believe me, I've done this long enough to know that in and out 108 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:04,560 for sure. So if you tell me that they decide to make a match, 109 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,040 for example, between Canelo Alvarez and Terrence Crawford, I get it from 110 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:13,240 the financial perspective because even though it's a three way class move for Crawford, 111 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:15,839 Crawford's still a bigger name than David is uh. You know, it will 112 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:19,079 have a lot of people that will have an interest in it because to see 113 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,959 how how Crawford can do against a much bigger guy like Canelo Alvarez. So 114 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,000 that would might be the only fight that I could understand if they match that 115 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,279 match instead of a David Bennett Asrawford fight. On the realism meter though, 116 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:39,319 on the realism meter, where would you put that one to ten on a 117 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:43,199 Crawford moving up right now? From what you know, how long you've been 118 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:45,399 doing this, where is that on the realism meter? Well? I think 119 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:47,439 that if Canelo Alvarez watched with David Benavitez, then he'd probably say there's a 120 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:50,000 good chance because he's going to maybe tell us people to go try to make 121 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,879 the fight, because you know, and I'm not knocking Canelo for this, 122 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,160 but if you're sitting there and you're looking at the prospect of a Terrence Crawford 123 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:01,040 fight for a shiitload of money, and you're looking at the prospect of a 124 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,600 David Benavitez for a little bit less of a shitload of money, and I 125 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,000 think there's nobody that could possibly dispute that a Crawford fight, if you're Canelo, 126 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,959 is a much more winnable, easier fight. And I get it, 127 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,199 you take the Crawford fight, but that doesn't mean we have to like it 128 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,079 or agree with it. All I know is this, I've been saying this 129 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,759 even since the play the kalb Plan fight. I said this before the kala 130 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,160 Plan fight. The biggest and the best fight for me as a fan and 131 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,639 and frankly as a journalist because there's plenty to write about also and talk about, 132 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 is him against David Benabtez. That's a huge fight. It's it's the 133 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,600 biggest fight you can get in that way class. I think you know, 134 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,519 the win over Plant burnished his credentials for it. The victory not just the 135 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:45,039 it's not the victory over over Andre, it's the manner in which he obtained 136 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,960 the victory in just a freaking beat down with a knockdown. And you know, 137 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,039 and I thought, let me tell you, I thought that Thomas Taylor, 138 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,120 who was the referee in that fight, did a spectacular job. Yes, 139 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,679 and I'm going to talk about that on two different One was the way 140 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,840 he handled Andred getting his mouthpiece knocked out. Now, I don't believe that 141 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:07,480 Andreid split it on purpose. He got it knocked out of his mouth by 142 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,320 punches. It seemed to me both times. The first time he waited till 143 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,679 there was a legitimate lull, which you're supposed to do and then call it 144 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,200 a quick time out and had it put back in. The second time, 145 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:20,480 he picked it up off the canvas, waited for there to be the appropriate 146 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:22,480 law. It didn't bother with the corner, just stuffed it back in his 147 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,399 mouth. I mean the break was like three seconds. It really wasn't any 148 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:30,120 kind of actual rest period for Andreid after that came out. So that was 149 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,039 handled absolutely perfectly. That should they should take that those two video clips and 150 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,240 when they go to the different organization conventions where the ABC conventions they do workshops 151 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:46,080 for referees, they should show the video of Thomas Taylor handling Demitrius Andreid's mouthpiece 152 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,480 coming out to how to the first how to video, how to do it 153 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,480 correctly? It administered correctly. I agree with you. The second thing a 154 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,320 that Thomas Taylor, who I thought has been a tremendous right for you for 155 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,679 a long time when he was working, you know, under cards in California 156 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,559 before he got the call from that uh which was expanding their referee roles and 157 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,159 brought him in. And as you can tell, he along with a couple 158 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:07,320 other guys, have been getting some of the bigger fights. And there's a 159 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,399 reason I thought that he handled the stoppage in that fight beautifully. Also because 160 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,639 he told U he called the doctor in before the last round, you know, 161 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:20,919 uh uh you know, after after round six, to have him check 162 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,679 him out real quick. Uh. And then he told him, He's like, 163 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:26,039 and I'm not gonna let you. I'm not gonna you know, you 164 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,399 got to show me something. You could hear him stop. You can hear 165 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,240 him say you got to show me something. He let him go, and 166 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,720 then when they went back to the corner, he was very real affirm He's 167 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,320 like, I'm not gonna see another round like that, and and they were 168 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:39,440 not I don't think they were thinking about stopping that at at the moment. 169 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,840 But when Thomas said that a second time, Demetri's I'm not gonna I can't 170 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,440 see another round like that. His cornerman said that's it, and they waved 171 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,600 it off. So they saved Andre the embarrassment of being stopped in the middle 172 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,799 of the round. They saved him from having to quit, which I don't 173 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,159 think he would have. They saved their guy from the punishment, and it 174 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,559 was done in a manner that I thought the referee was very respectful to Demetrius 175 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,559 but made his point very clear. Hurt Let's let's call it a day, 176 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:07,600 you know, because he truthfully was doing that at the end of the fifth 177 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,759 round. You got to show me something. And at least to his credit, 178 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,960 Andre was firing back a couple of times. He was brave, he 179 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,000 wasn't just turtling holding listen, Mary iron Mack. But it was obvious at 180 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,759 that point. I say this to you all the time when we talk about 181 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:28,399 fighter safety and we talk about somebody's gonna get seriously hurt. He was on 182 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,840 the verge of getting seriously hurt if you put him back out there again, 183 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,840 that fight was done. Look at the glassy eyes, especially from the fifth 184 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,240 round and then after the sixth round especially that. I mean, that was 185 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:46,240 set up to be dangerous. Demetrius neverbally, but but he's never had that 186 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,240 kind of uh, he's never taken those kind of punches ever. No, 187 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,639 either the force of the punches or the or the number of punches. But 188 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,080 the thing about the Tailor way is when he did shout at him, you 189 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,559 know, you got to show me something during the round. Demetri He's actually 190 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:03,240 found a little bit of a rally there at the end of one of those 191 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,480 rounds and put a couple of punches on David. The problem for Demitrius is 192 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,039 that he's got such a good chin against a guy that was smaller coming up 193 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,159 that they just had no impact. He was like swatting him away, like 194 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,000 if you were at a you know, out at a summer picnic and there's 195 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,759 NAT's flying around your head. So I thought it was a great performance. 196 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:20,080 And then of course, you know in the post fight, we'll get into 197 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,480 it right now about let's bring on Canelo Alvaruz. Yeah, absolutely, I 198 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,279 don't know what Canelo's gonna do, but you could do worse, and we've 199 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,879 had to endure a little bit. I mean the fight with John Ryder. 200 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:37,120 I understand why they did it in Guadalajara back last May, but I mean, 201 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:41,159 this is intriguing. Benavitez has been active, He's scored some knockouts here. 202 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:45,440 The public would want this fight and there, and there would be a 203 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,639 lot of demand. And so now let's see if it gets made. Let's 204 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:52,039 see what one thing about it that was critical is that last week or I 205 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,000 guess the week four whatever it was like, you know, eight nine days 206 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:00,840 ago, at the end of the WBC convention, they formally mandated that Denavide's 207 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:03,480 if he won, the fight, was going to be the mandatory end of 208 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:05,200 the story and they would order the fight. One thing I don't think some 209 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,960 people don't understand about the WBC is just because of the interim champion, which 210 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,039 he is, does not automatically make you the mandatory. They have to tell 211 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:15,639 you you are the mandatory. So this was a case and I actually had 212 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:18,759 a back and forth from the research just to clarify things prior to the fight 213 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,080 on Saturday, and that was if David was the winner, he is the 214 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,559 mandatory. That's the next fight that will order. If Andreid were to have 215 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:28,559 won, he wouldn't necessarily be the mandatory, but that doesn't matter now because 216 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Benevite was the winner, and that is the fight that the WBC will order. 217 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:35,919 I don't know when they'll order that, but I think will be somewhat 218 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,840 soon. And look, at the end of the day, Canello's fighting in 219 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,559 May. David will be perfectly fine to fight in May. If they don't 220 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,600 make that fight, it's a huge disappointment. Now, Canelo's always fought, 221 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:50,200 you know, he's fought great fighters. I mean, and anybody that thinks 222 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,919 it's an easy fight for Benavidez, I know, let me remind you that 223 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,000 he was in the ring for thirty six rounds with Gnati Glufkin, one of 224 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,559 the great punchers of all time, also with a great chin uh and uh 225 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,120 and and he you know, he had his issues in some of those fights, 226 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:07,720 but he still came out without taking a lot of damage, never got 227 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:09,120 knocked off his feet, and you know, got the win in two of 228 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,120 those fights. So you know, while I think David is more in his 229 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,600 prime than Canelo, you know is presently and certainly maybe even more than Ganati 230 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,720 was when they fought each other. Uh, it's not an easy fight for 231 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,639 anybody, I mean, but it's a wouldn't you want to see that? 232 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,360 That's all I know? Yeah, take my money, my hands up, 233 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:30,120 let's do it. Otherwise, what are we doing? I'm gonna tell you 234 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:35,159 right now, Benavide's that's a twenty plus million dollar gate at the Temobile Arena. 235 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,559 That's Rayfiel on site for four days. That's uh, that's that's a 236 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:43,039 pay per view. That is, you know, in the seven to you 237 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,960 know, over seven hundred thousand buys, you know, seven to fifty eight 238 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:50,120 hundred. It's at the same level as a cat's got a chance to be 239 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,639 a million buy pay per view, just because Benavetez has been active enough and 240 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:58,960 created enough buzz that if it's him in the matchup, it could get there. 241 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,200 Could it could? Well, I'm not so sure it gets to the 242 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,879 million mark. And I'm gonna tell you why. When he fought Caleb, 243 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:07,000 Planet was about eight hundred and fifty thousand ish, maybe a little less than 244 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:11,600 that, and Kaylea Plant had a little bit of a lesser prof Truthfully, 245 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,080 he didn't have the bus, but the point is David and Canelo draw from 246 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,759 the same basic fan base, which is Mexican Americans and Mexicans, so you're 247 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,120 fishing in the same pond twice. I always learned from the gurus of pay 248 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,320 per view, people like Don King, people like Bob Aram, people like 249 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,480 Mark Taffet. When you want to have the biggest possible pay per view, 250 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:35,159 you either make the fight between you know, two blacks, two Mexicans, 251 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,320 two guys from whatever same area of the country, whatever it is, and 252 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,679 they mind super deep within their community Barara Morales. But there's a limit to 253 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,720 what it can do, So Canelo and Benavide's have the limit. When you 254 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,919 get the biggest fights is when you match the virgin fan bases. So that's 255 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,799 why Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis did a million plus. That's why Oscar de 256 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,440 la Hoya and Tita Trinidad did the million plus. So why Floyd Mayweather and 257 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,639 pack Ya did the record of all time four million plus because they drew from 258 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:08,080 wildly divergent groups of people. Plus you add the added factor of there being 259 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:12,360 just normal everyday sports fans who aren't boxing fans. Canelo Benavitez is a great 260 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:15,720 matchup, but I don't think it hits the numbers that you think it does 261 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:21,000 because it's still you're still fishing with your same community, and it's not a 262 00:16:21,039 --> 00:16:23,919 mainstream fight. From the standpoint that Benavite's as tremendous of a fighter as he 263 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,879 is still could walk down the street in ninety eight percent of the United States 264 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,879 or more and not be seen or known by anybody. That's a fair point. 265 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,759 But this doesn't change the fact that if for the people who follow boxing, 266 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,480 it's a great fucking fight and we want to see it next period. 267 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:40,080 End of story. I like that. All right, let's move on to 268 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,279 the other parts of the card and again regis Progray coming up one on one 269 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:48,840 with you. So Jamal Charlow did return action fight with Jose Benavitez Junior. 270 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:52,440 Give ben Avidaz Junior, the older brother of David Benavetz's credit. He took 271 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,399 some serious shots. He was firing back. I thought it was an entertaining 272 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,360 ten round fight. I mean, it's not something that goes in the time 273 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:04,599 capsule forever. But for Jamal Charlow's return, there was quality action. He 274 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,920 got the deserved decision. There's my thoughts. What are your thoughts on the 275 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,759 co feature non title fight with Charloe's return. I thought, for a guy 276 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,240 out of the ring twenty nine months, with all the problems that he had, 277 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,960 with the issues over the weight, and all the business that's gone on, 278 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:23,200 and the and the drama that surrounded, you know, his career in 279 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,119 his life, that was a great performance for him. That was a sharp 280 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,119 performance. You know, I have to give credit to Benavidez who came to 281 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,000 fight. But again, I'll talk about what I talked about in the main 282 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,319 event. There's there's a reason for weight classes. Josey Benavitez Junior was at 283 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:41,559 his best really at one hundred and forty pounds and now he's fighting over one 284 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:44,839 hundred and sixty pounds, having not really done much in the last few years 285 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,200 of any real merit. You know, anytime he stepped up, he pretty 286 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,160 much lost. You know, he got knocked out by Crawford, He lost 287 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,920 at Danny Garcia. You know, he got a draw with a just a 288 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,799 sub you know, just a normal kind of fighter. But all that said, 289 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,359 he showed great heart, he showed a good chin, was there to 290 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,559 fight, you know, to do his best. So I respect him for 291 00:18:02,599 --> 00:18:06,319 that for sure, and for Charlotte. Look, you know, it may 292 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:07,720 not have been a WBC midleweight title defense. He may not have made the 293 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,960 weight, he may have been over the contract weight. You know, he 294 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:12,359 might still be surly and have some issues and all that. But at the 295 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,119 end of the day, he fought a good fight and I'm glad to see 296 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,640 him back, and hopefully this is the building block for you know, a 297 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,160 bigger and better twenty twenty four where you can be a little more active and 298 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,440 you know, and fight a fight that we actually want to see as opposed 299 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,039 to just taken on a guy like a benevide this which was a good matchup 300 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,640 in action, but not a thing that sort of got people revved up to 301 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,079 be excited to see it before that actually happened. Let me pay this compliment 302 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,160 to Brian Campbell in his interview after the final. He did a good job 303 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,519 with all the interviews on the pay per view on the showtime PBC card, 304 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,680 because he asked the right questions at the beginning of Jamal Trolo, and you 305 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:49,240 saw a peek into he's having problems. We understand this. We've documented this 306 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:52,680 because he had trouble answering a couple of questions at the beginning. He had 307 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,400 tears in his eyes at the beginning because it was probably all coming back around 308 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:03,799 and coming out of him, and Brian asked very aptly, well done about 309 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:06,680 Hey, was this kind of the safe haven to get back in the ring 310 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:11,440 and put everything else aside? That was that was an excellent question, and 311 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,400 so we saw some of that raw emotion. Now by the same token, 312 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:18,000 there are people go through all kinds of things and we well documented and he 313 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:21,519 has been out for a long time. So here we I'm going to be 314 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:25,000 consistent with this. Here we are back to it again. The WBC needs 315 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,559 to step in and say to Jamal Charlow, what are you doing? Are 316 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:32,039 you defending against Carlos Adamis or not. We're going to set a deadline and 317 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:34,119 if you're vacating, vacating and will elevate him as the champ. I'm saying 318 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,599 that your thoughts on what's next here and what's going to happen. I mean, 319 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:41,200 based on the way that Jamal spoke after the fight, it feels like 320 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,759 he's not going to fight at sixty again. He's going to be a supermedal 321 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,279 weight, and which is fine if you're going to do that make your decision. 322 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,039 Let's get on with it. I mean, yep, you know the 323 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,519 listen. I think we as human beings, we can all understand the issues 324 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:00,400 that anybody might have. We all have them, you know, even if 325 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,920 we're just not on display in the public the way as Charlotte is, if 326 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,039 you're a you know, a public figure if you will, as as a 327 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:12,319 professional athlete. But just because he's having certain issues in his life does not 328 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:18,440 give him carte blanche to hold up the entire WBC middleweight rankings. You know, 329 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,559 that's not fair to the other guys behind him, and that sort of 330 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:23,799 thing, like a dumbis for example. So I just hope he figures it 331 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:27,359 out and go do your thing. I mean, whether he's got the belt 332 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,279 or not, he's still a quality fighter. You know. The reason why 333 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:32,799 he can't win it again or fight for it again, I'm sure they would 334 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:36,160 be if if he really wanted to continue in middleweight and he was unable to 335 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,440 defend, they would make him the champion in recess and give him the shot 336 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,960 when he comes back. But based on his missing of the weight of them 337 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,720 setting the weight over the one sixty limit in the first place, you know, 338 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:47,440 it feels like he's more likely to just stay at super middleweight, which 339 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:49,519 would be fine, and then there's a whole different group of fighters he can 340 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:55,279 take on, and they can let the WBC title go back into play for 341 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,079 a Dumas. But you know, I'm want to give him a couple of 342 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,079 you know, let's let him unwined from the fight a couple of weeks and 343 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:04,519 then we'll reconvene after the new year and see what the plane is. All 344 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:10,799 right. The two other title fights Subreal Matteas looked fantastic, and then we 345 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,240 had whatever I need you to clarify because I've only seen the highlights and the 346 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:18,400 recaps here whatever happened with ergushev and also Lamont Roach gets a split decision win 347 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,680 over Hector Luis Garcia where he scored a knockdown in the final round that proved 348 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:26,359 vital on the scorecards. So give me your thoughts in the recap mode on 349 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,279 those two fights real quick. To wrap up the showtime PPC card, Dan 350 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,359 Rayfield, well, Fermatias, I mean that was a very good performance. 351 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,319 I mean, he's a bad boy, is the bottom line. We talked 352 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,480 about it before the fight. There's a lot of great names in the junior 353 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,279 welterweight division, and nobody ever really mentions I want to They all say I 354 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:48,440 want to fight I want to fight Ryan, I want to fight Tafimo Lopez, 355 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:51,160 and I want to fight this guy. I want to fight Roly Romero. 356 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,480 I want to fight that guy. Maybe Tank will come up and fight 357 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:56,759 me. I want to fight Regis. You know, maybe Haney will win. 358 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,519 I'll fight Hany. Like that's all cool and everything and they're good and 359 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,240 no disrespect whatsoever. But I've literally never heard any other top guy in the 360 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:08,880 way class ever call out or mention Mattias. I did see on Twitter or 361 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:17,759 ex Regis Progra say you know he quote tweeted something from Mattias saying, you 362 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:19,599 know, have about twenty twenty four, So Regis is the one guy I 363 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,640 know. We'll fight anybody, basically is the way I looked at. But 364 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,319 Mitias did a great job. I mean, I remember back when Vasilio Lomachenko 365 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,240 when he was pound for pound number one, and he was doing his business 366 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,920 in a different manner than Mattias. Because Matias is just a straight assassin, 367 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,440 knockout, you know, devastating kind of guy, and you know Lomachenko was 368 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,000 more of the skill, even though he could hurt you here and there. 369 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,000 There was a period where he scored four consecutive with victories where he made his 370 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,279 opponent quit well. Now by making Ergyshev retire on the stool after a round 371 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:52,400 six to retain his title for the first time, he has extended his corner 372 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,519 stoppage streak of his opponents to five consecutive fight so ever. Since he lost 373 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:03,400 his decision in the upset to a Nanion, he has won five consecutive fights 374 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,720 by stoppage in the quarter including avenging the rematch against an Onion, including when 375 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,799 he won the belt against jeremiahs Ponce and now the fight obviously that happened on 376 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,759 night Ergushevu. I guess it was some kind of leg injury. They didn't 377 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:21,400 specified exactly, but end of the fight they stopped on the stool and Mattias 378 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,599 did a great job. Now you know he didn't. He actually looked pretty 379 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:27,039 bad in the first round. But it was kind of like it's similar to 380 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:30,319 Benavide's. You know, he's a guy that's a slow starter. It takes 381 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,759 him a round or two to get into the groove. He made the point 382 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:34,720 afterwards, you know, he usually takes me three or four rounds when I'm 383 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000 fighting the South Pod to get my bearings, and it didn't even take him 384 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:44,920 that long against ergashev uh and he is very much a force to be reckoned 385 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,359 with in the in the junior welterweight division. You know, Puerto Rico has 386 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,279 a new star or potential start. He's not a star yet because he's not 387 00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:53,440 at that level in terms of popularity, but he fights in a very crowd 388 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,279 pleasing manner that you know, the folks in Puerto Rico who've had a lot 389 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,440 of great champions would certainly gravitate towards if you spent any time watching some of 390 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,000 their great fighters like Felix Trinidad or Miguel Coto or you know some of those 391 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,400 fighters. So yeah, listen, I'd love to see Mattias and any of 392 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,519 the big matchups. And you know, he said afterwards, you know, 393 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,920 bringon Lopez Davis Hany you know, if you want this, any pointed, 394 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,960 you know has had the belt over his shoulder. He pointed, if you 395 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 want this, come and get it, and they can make some great fights. 396 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,039 And in terms of the other fight you mentioned, Lamont Roach against Garcia. 397 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,920 Lamont Roach has always been a guy to me. I've watched this kid 398 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960 since he first turned pro. I covered tons of his fights. He was 399 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,200 on a lot of the big undercarts that Golden Boy did. I flew on 400 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:34,640 many airplanes with him and his father because we both live in the Washington, 401 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,920 DC area, and inevitably we found ourselves on the same flights on the way 402 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,359 to the fight and on the way back, so I would hang out. 403 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:45,440 I spent many many of those flights, like in the airport, like in 404 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,839 the game, you're hanging in the Yeah. So Lamont and his dad, 405 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,759 they're they're good people. Lamont's a very technical and very skilled boxer. Maybe 406 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:56,920 not the most exciting guy, not the most outspoken guy, doesn't have like 407 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,240 a big fan base. But this is a guy that's put in his time, 408 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,799 in his effort. You know. He got the first shot against Herring 409 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:04,839 in twenty nineteen. He lost a decision, but it was a competitive, 410 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,319 solid fight. Won several fights in a row a Golden Boy who he's not 411 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,000 with anymore, but they got him in position to be the mandatory again, 412 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,720 and he waited on this fight because Garcia went up to fight right after the 413 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,440 instead of the before the Ryan Garcia fight, instead of defending the title, 414 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:29,039 he went Hector Luis Garcia before to tune up I guess for the Ryan Garcia 415 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,880 fight, Tank fought Hector Louis Garcia. So he took. He took a 416 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,119 fight at one hundred and thirty five PU way class and didn't defend. He 417 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,559 got the you know, the special exception from the WBA, So this was 418 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:41,720 finally the mandatory and it was. It was not a very good fight, 419 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,240 to be quite honest. I mean, the last two rounds were exciting and 420 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:47,000 interesting, but a lot of it was a lot of a cat and mouse 421 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,200 game. Not a lot of punches row and not a lot of punches landed. 422 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,160 Both guys trying to sort of like you know, outslick each other. 423 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,160 Bo when it came, pushed the shove and they started to let the leather 424 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,759 go. Lamont Roach showed some toughness. Eleventh round was very exciting and then 425 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,359 the two you know here you go into this fight. It's a super close 426 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,359 fight. He gets the knockdown with a left hook, and the referee scores 427 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,720 at a knockdown. It turned out that if he doesn't get the knockdown and 428 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,079 it's a ten to nine round instead of a ten eight round, the fight 429 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:18,359 winds up a split draw. Instead, it winds up with him winning winning 430 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,880 the fight on a split decision. And I was very happy for Lamont, 431 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,079 not that I have anything against Carci. I just was happy for him because 432 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:26,599 I know I know him and his team, you know, for many, 433 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,200 many years. The only problem was it was not a legal punch, and 434 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,279 the referee, Tony Weeks, I mean, who has been a great ref 435 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,480 for a long time, he just flat out missed the call and they didn't 436 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:40,559 use the replay. If you watch the replay, he didn't do it on 437 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:45,119 purpose, but one hundred percent it's clear as fucking day. The punch was 438 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,279 not just like on the borderline. It was way behind his head. That 439 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,160 is not a legal punch in boxing. You're not allowed to hit somebody in 440 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,079 that area. Again, he didn't do it on purpose, but it should 441 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,319 have been not It should not have been ruled a knockdown. So if he 442 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:02,279 doesn't rule in a knockdown and fight just goes to its conclusion, it winds 443 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,000 up to be a split draw or yah split draw, and Garcia would have 444 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:11,799 retained the title. So on the one hand, you know he won the 445 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,480 title, good for him, happy for him and all that, but the 446 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,599 manner which it occurred was just sort of disappointing because it wasn't clean. It 447 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,000 was messy. That's as mess as a guess when you win a world championship 448 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:25,000 change his hands in that because of a bogus knockdown in the twelfth round, 449 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,200 that's a problem again. Uh, Hector Luis Garcia was up significantly on the 450 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,319 one card, so the ten eight round did not matter on that one. 451 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,279 He was up by one point. On the other card, wins by three 452 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,440 and then, as you mentioned, down by a point and the ten eight 453 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,200 round makes it one fourteen, one thirteen. Because the only thing, the 454 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,079 other other thing that I will interject here and then we're going to move along 455 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,359 real quick to Katie Taylor and your conversation with Regi's program in just a few 456 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,279 moments here on the podcast. Is that a situation where instant replay can potentially 457 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:03,519 help? I know the WBC has instant not every world organization has instituted it 458 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,039 where they can come back in after the fact. Nevada has had it in 459 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:11,759 the past too and say that's not a legal punch. Do not score that 460 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,920 a knockdown after the fact, and in this case, it would have been 461 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960 after the bell, after the fight's over with, after the final round. 462 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,599 What is your insight. I don't believe that that kind of punch falls into 463 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,480 the category of a reviewable thing in Nevada because it is a judgment call from 464 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,799 the referee, and it was also so close to the end of the fight. 465 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,839 I'm not sure they actually even looked at it in terms of the folks 466 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,079 that are the replay officials. So I know if it had been a matter 467 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,359 of is it a knockdown or a slip? Is it a punch caused by 468 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,119 a punch or an accident? Is a cut caused by a punch or an 469 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:52,279 accidental butt? Those are reviewable things. A judgment call of whether a punch 470 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,759 was you know, behind the head and therefore a foul or not. I 471 00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,200 do not believe falls under that under that category that they can actually of you 472 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,960 the play. But suffice is to say, all the people who are watching 473 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,599 on their television, the commentators, you know, anybody with a YouTube clip 474 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:12,319 or access to Instagram or Twitter or social media right social media, you know 475 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,279 it was behind the head. I mean again again, I'll say this another 476 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,880 time. He didn't do it on purpose. It happened, and he went 477 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,839 down on the shot, but it was not a legal punch. So he's 478 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,480 the champion of the WBA now, but on what merit? I guess there's 479 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,000 a question. Give him credit. He gets the win, as it turns 480 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,079 out, all right, So Katie Taylor does avenge her defeat to Chantel Cameron 481 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:41,640 earlier this year, I must confess again, I was flying with the Tampa 482 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,039 Bay Buccaneers to Indianapolis. I've seen a highlighter two. I've seen the recaps. 483 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,039 I saw my man Rayfield tweeting about the fact that this was a fantastic 484 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:56,000 fight. And Taylor gets the narrow decision win to avenge her loss and become 485 00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,839 undisputed at junior welterweight, the second female to be four bell undisputed in two 486 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,519 different divisions. All right, So give me the quick synopsis here. So 487 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:10,559 she joins Claressa Shields in that little bit of history right there, which is 488 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,880 pretty impressive. And you know, Katie Taylor, we already knew she was 489 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,519 an all time great female boxer between her exploits and the Olympics what she's done 490 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:23,319 as a professional, all the defenses of the title as the undisputed champion and 491 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:27,519 the lightweight division. She previously won a belt at the junior walterweight division, 492 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,599 went up, won it and came back down. But now she's un disputed 493 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,920 in two way classes. In a very very significant fight for members, her 494 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:38,839 first loss, which was the May fight against Cameron, was the homecoming that 495 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,440 was spoilt her first fight in Ireland and she lost a very close majority decision 496 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:47,400 in a fantastic fight. She exercised the right to her immediate rematch as the 497 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,559 A side and the one that offered her the fight, not a mandatory for 498 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:55,039 Chantel or for Katie. They went back to the same arena in Dublin and 499 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,160 as Katie and they did it again and this time it was Taylor who rightfully 500 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:02,359 won the majority decision. And it's like Katie said to the crowd in her 501 00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:04,960 interview after the fight, this was my real homecoming because she got the job 502 00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:07,440 done in a spot where you know, you lose two in a row, 503 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,319 that's a problem. But she got so electric was it because again you took 504 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,240 it all in. Yeah, that was great, appeared that it was great. 505 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,839 Atmosphere like we anticipated. Yeah, no doubt. And one of the 506 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,319 things that I think Katie did for the preparation for this fight is if you 507 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,240 remember when she was going into the first fight, I mean, all fighters 508 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,640 will do media and appearances and different you know things leading into their fight. 509 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,559 Go show up at a school, you know, go do the charity thing, 510 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,480 do a bunch of interviews, and so so Katie did a whole ton 511 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,920 of that stuff. We did. We had her on the podcast heading up 512 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,000 to the to the first fight as a guest of ours. She dramatically curtailed 513 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,039 her promotional activities going into the rematch because she just wanted to you know, 514 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,519 do do She did some things, but she wanted to just make sure she 515 00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:56,640 was ready for the fight. I can't blame her for that, you know, 516 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,680 I sent I sent a note to her people trying to get her on 517 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,480 the podcast out of this time, and you know, they declined they were 518 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:06,599 not interested. And that's I didn't take it personal because I don't really other 519 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,519 than a couple of things she did with his own, I don't really see 520 00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,359 her do much of anything for this fight. So that was the right decision 521 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,839 for her. And you know, like I've never met Chantel Cameron. She 522 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,079 comes off as a nice woman also, But I've met Katie, I've interviewed 523 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,519 her the one time I've been to some of her fights. You could meet 524 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,519 a more lovely person, polite, nice. As Eddie Hearn said in an 525 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,880 interview, you never hear anybody say a bad word about Katie Taylor. So 526 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,799 how do you not be happy for what she accomplished. She has given so 527 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:37,160 much to the sport and she gave her and Chantel Cameron a incredibly exciting, 528 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,519 dramatic, uh just electrifying kind of fight on Saturday. It seems likely, 529 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,000 based on what Eddie Hearn and what Katie were saying afterwards, they will offer 530 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,640 Chantel Cameron a third fight to do a trilogy bout. They want to do 531 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,960 it at the big you know, soccer stadium and football stadium in Dublin, 532 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,839 the Croke Park, and it'll be a historical event there. But Katie, 533 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,440 you know, look, she's a first Ball Hall of Famer before she won 534 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,559 the undisputed title on Saturday. Now, I mean you can you can argue, 535 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,839 and I know women's boxing in terms of its history is still being you 536 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,839 know written and not even close to where the men are because they had like 537 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,880 one hundred year head start on the women. But in the in the history 538 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,480 of significant women's boxing, which really started in a meaningful way in like the 539 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:28,559 nineteen nineties with Christy Martin in that group, Lucia Riker, later Laila Ali, 540 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,440 you know, and now what we have today with Claressa and Katie and 541 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:38,799 Chantelle and Serrano and others. You can make a Cojing argument to Katie Taylor 542 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:44,680 based on her accomplishments, the caliber opponent she has defeated, the entertainment value 543 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,799 she has brought, the fan base that she has brought, that she is 544 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,200 the number one female boxer of all time with that of those accomplishments she had. 545 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,039 Look, I'm a huge Claressa. I think she's a phenomenal athlete and 546 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,920 she's you know, she doesn't lose rounds uh, But she doesn't move people 547 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,279 in the emotional manner that Katie Taylor does because of the drama that she has 548 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,640 in her fights, the action that she has in her fights. And quite 549 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,480 frankly, and this has nothing to do with Claressa, it's not her fault. 550 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,599 Claressa doesn't have the caliber of opponents because the population of the top women 551 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,679 that fight in the say, junior middleweight to super middleweight division is far far 552 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,960 less than the caliber of fighters of women that fight, say from the featherweight 553 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,360 to the welterweight division, unerstood, so she's less to have a much deeper 554 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,199 group of excellent opponents to face. And I just I just love the fight, 555 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,159 uh is, I've I've rewatched it, you know, and it goes 556 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,599 by so quick, you know, with the with the with the two men 557 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,320 around. One thing I did think that was tremendous was, you know, 558 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,199 even though they're talking about maybe doing a third fight between her and Cameron, 559 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,360 which would obviously be a mega event, there's still the interest from a lot 560 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,239 of people to see her do a third a second fight rather with Serrano, 561 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,079 the you know, set the bar last year. So I saw that Katie 562 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,519 was asked about that at her postfight presco conference. Because Amanda is on this, 563 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,679 you know, I won't call it a crusade, but it's like her 564 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,840 desire for her future fights to continue what she did in her most recent fight, 565 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,960 which is to have women's championship fights be twelve round fights and have each 566 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,679 of the rounds be three minutes, and Katie was asked about that, and 567 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,960 Katie was like, you know what, I'm down for it, you know, 568 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:21,239 with you know, she'd be willing to do three minute rounds over twelve. 569 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,880 Now the WBC won't go for that, but you know, fights can 570 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,639 be done without the WBC, you know, with no disrespect to either side. 571 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,239 So if there is going to be a third fight between Cameron and Katie 572 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:38,039 or a second fight between Serrano and Katie, and there's both sides are interested 573 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,599 to do that, you know, why not do three rounds, three minute 574 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,039 rounds and twelve rounds. But I'll tell you one thing, the amount of 575 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,840 damage that they do to each other, they're probably better off sticking with the 576 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,639 two minute rounds because Katie and a Chantell took a lot of Yeah, Mark, 577 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,800 that terrible, terrible cut from a head butt led the whole fight. 578 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,880 They both got touched up pretty well. But you know, my hats off 579 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480 to them, end this fight, love the fight, Happy for Katie. 580 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,599 Uh and uh, you know that was that was a real serious fight. 581 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,159 And let me just suggests one our thing. There was the controversy of the 582 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,280 of the knockdown non knockdown in round one the referee did not call it. 583 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,440 She got hit with a jab, Katie. She got hit with a jab 584 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,559 from Cameron, and she went back and she went down to her rear end 585 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:27,280 on the on the punch. But when I watched the replay, to me, 586 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,239 it was clear as day that she stepped on her foot, and the 587 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,559 referee, Roberto Ramirez immediately called it a slip, so he he must have 588 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,599 seen that, but it was maybe not that hundred percent clear to some people 589 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,239 when they showed the replay on the show, like on the broadcast, I 590 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,480 couldn't really tell. When I watched it after the fact, I guess I 591 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,199 saw a different angle. She looked like she stepped on her foot, and 592 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,880 that's why it wasn't called a knockdown. And the reason why that's important is 593 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,400 because if they called it a knockdown, it changes the result of the fight, 594 00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:59,599 similar to what we just talked about with the Lamont roach situation. But 595 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,079 it did and she ends up winning ninety eight ninety two, which is very 596 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,119 wide. It didn't seem fair to me. She won ninety six to ninety 597 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,800 four, and in another scorecard and the third judge called it a draw. 598 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,119 In ninety five ninety five. Now, if that judge doesn't you know, 599 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,679 if it's if it's not a if it's real day knockdown, not a slip. 600 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,920 You know, Cameron's gonna be a ninety five to ninety five on one 601 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,159 card, and she's gonna win on the other card. So she's gonna she's 602 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,400 gonna, you know, win a uh win. You know, she's gonna 603 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,519 win the decision. So that's unfortunate, but it was it was I thought 604 00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,000 it was the right call from the referee and it was a fantastic fight. 605 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:32,880 If they do a third fight, tell me and I'm watching, I can't. 606 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,840 Katie Taylor moves the needle. You and I are in the United States, 607 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,559 but it moves the needle in the UK and in Ireland as we saw 608 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:45,480 with that. Speaking of moving the needle, we are moving forward into December 609 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,440 and there is a pay per view with Regis Prograe and Devin Haney upcoming for 610 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,719 San Francisco on December the ninth. You don't have to wait until December the 611 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,199 ninth to hear about this fight and much more. In fact, you can 612 00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,360 hear about it right now. In a conversation with Dad, I'm very pleased 613 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,960 to bring into the podcast today. One of my favorite guys to interview. 614 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,199 I've interviewed lots of boxers for a long time Regis program. The WBC Junior 615 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:13,639 Welterweight champion. Always fun to talk to. Regis. Thank you for doing 616 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:17,159 this. I appreciate you being here. Oh dang Man, glad to be 617 00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:21,599 a baby ye screen. All right, well, we're here to talk about 618 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,760 a pretty significant fight, certainly a big fight for you, one of the 619 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,000 better fights I think that we've seen on the calendar for the calendar year of 620 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:35,239 twenty twenty three. You're defending your title for the second time against the lightweight 621 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,880 champion, Devin Hainey, who's going to move up and wait, he's going 622 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,920 to challenge you. It'll be December the ninth that Chase Center in San Francisco 623 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,599 live on his own pay per view in the United States. All the lucky 624 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:46,000 folks that don't live out in the United States, they get it on the 625 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,880 Zone as part of their regular subscription package. We'll talk about that in just 626 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,719 a minute, but my first question for you is when you signed with Matchroom 627 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,199 Boxing and Eddie Hearn and there was a lot of possibilities of different fights that 628 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,400 you could have look towards if you had signed with a different promoter. At 629 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,039 that time, Mattrim did not have Devin Haney. He was still going through 630 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:12,000 his process with his previous promoter. Uh, now you have this fight, 631 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,719 So what was it about it that made you so confident that that you'd be 632 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,239 able to get this matchup? Man? Look Eddie. First off, Eddie 633 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,760 came to me, you know, he came to Houston and talked to me. 634 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,239 That was one of the differences between you know, Todd Rank and Mattrum. 635 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,480 You know, Matt Todd Rank flew me out to Vegas and they didn't. 636 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,039 They flew me on Southwest. And people know with me, I'm I 637 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,639 am kind of boogie, you know. I you know, I fly first 638 00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:37,880 class everywhere I go. You don't have to give me a private jet, 639 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,679 but I do fly first class. So they flew me and my potet. 640 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,159 They flew us on Southwest. I didn't really like that. But then Eddie 641 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,239 flew to me in Houston, and you know, Eddie pitched me. He 642 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,159 said, look, this is gonna be the plan. You know, we're 643 00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,880 gonna get your It's a it's a brief fight deal. He said, We're 644 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,320 gonna we're gonna you're gonna get a defense in New Orleans. First, he 645 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,280 already had a date plan lined up and stuff like that. Then he said, 646 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,760 Devin Haney's nah. I don't know if he was, you know, 647 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,000 bullshit. I don't know if he was full of shit or not. But 648 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,599 he said Devin. He literally said Devin Haney would be second. He said, 649 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,039 Devin Haney or Ryan gonna see all something like that, it'll be a 650 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,119 big fight in the second fight. And you know, it actually happened, 651 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,119 and he wasn't yet, Devin wasn't with he was with Todd Rank at the 652 00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:19,280 time, you know, and it all just it just kind of came true, 653 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,559 just like he said it would, and it is happening right now. 654 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,519 So what was it then about Devin compared to any of the other talented fighters 655 00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,000 that were already at one hundred and forty pounds that that made you want to 656 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,719 go in that direction with him coming up away? Because I mean, look, 657 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,719 if you there was Tiafimo Lopez was there with top rank Josh Taylor, 658 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:38,239 we would have loved them sure to have a rematch against him. Hand to 659 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,239 you, your only loss a super close fight. Uh, you know, 660 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,920 Josey Ramirez is with top ranks. Still, that's a fight I'd still love 661 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,400 to see. At some point, you mentioned Ryan's already see it. So 662 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,159 what was it that made you so sort of like, ah, yeah, 663 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,599 Devin Haney, that's that's gonna be a great competitive Well, it was just 664 00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:57,800 you know, Devin is a Devon is a big name, you know, 665 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,719 but it just wasn't just the whole Devin. It was just a whole just 666 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,360 the contract in general, just the whole thing. Because the top rank deal 667 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,000 was a long deal with the Eddie Hearn did. It was a shorter deal, 668 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,639 and he promised me, you know, he did promise me a Devin 669 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:13,159 Haney. He promised me, like a Ryan go see all Devonhaney for the 670 00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:16,719 second fight. And with the top rank deal, you know, I think 671 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,800 it was I think it was the second fight would have been maybe like a 672 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,760 Ramirez or something like that. You know. So if you if you compare 673 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,760 a Devin Haney or Ryan, go see it to a Ramirez. You know, 674 00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:28,920 it is big on that side. And you know, for me, 675 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,480 I'm still glad that I feel I definitely feel like I made the right decision. 676 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,199 Well, and I watched the news conference that you guys had with each 677 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,519 other that was out in San Francisco a few weeks ago, maybe a month 678 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:43,320 ago. Uh, I found it striking. Uh. You know Devin Haney, 679 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,800 you know, he likes to talk some smack and that's cool. You 680 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,119 do also, I think that's you know, it's good but not too severe. 681 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,920 But he actually said, and I quote, I'm going to beat the 682 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,360 living shit out of him, meaning he's gonna beat the living shit out of 683 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,679 you. When I heard that, I was a little surprised, because as 684 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,960 excellent of a fighter as Devin Haney is, everybody out of nobody he can't 685 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,400 beat. He can't, he can't he talking about is Devin Devin never beat 686 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,880 the ship out of anybody. Yeah, he's a good boxer and stuff like 687 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,480 that. But I feel like I, honestly, I know I'm a better 688 00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:14,480 boxer him, but I have power, so you know, I can box, 689 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,079 but I can I can hear people really hard. Devin never beat the 690 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,920 ship out of anybody's whole career. You know who did he beat the ship 691 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,639 out of nobody? You know, I can't wait to y'all see that we 692 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:23,800 had a face off with me and him. I said, Devin, who 693 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,880 who did you even knock out? You never knocked out anybody? Like he 694 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,159 just sat there and smile. He didn't know what to saye. You know 695 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,239 he had you know, he he fall on the tenko, He fought camp 696 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:37,239 Bow says he fa Leonora's and he fought Jojo Diaz. For me, all 697 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,599 those fights was you know, he never beat the shit out of any of 698 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:42,480 those guys, you know, like he he didn't hurt none of those guys 699 00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,320 or anything like that. Yeah, he won, but he boxed for twelve 700 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,599 rounds, so he didn't beat the shit out nobody. So he's definitely not 701 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,400 gonna beat the shit out. I'm gonna I'm gonna hurt Demon. I know 702 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,159 I'm gonna hurt Devin, like how Camp is going right now, what I've 703 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:57,400 been doing just even to sparing partners and stuff like that. I know I'm 704 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,960 gonna I'm gonna hurt Devin. You know, if it goes to a round, 705 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:00,840 goes to our round. But I'm definitely gonna hurt. Well, you 706 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,159 finish my sentence for me, because I was gonna ask you, like he 707 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,320 doesn't he's a great boxer, but hasn't really beaten you know, his quote 708 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,639 the shit out of anybody. But you've answered that question. Uh, and 709 00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:14,480 what you thought of that comment? The other thing, as I've noticed, 710 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,599 you know, you guys have gone back and forth on your social media. 711 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,280 You went back and forth out of good back and forth at the press conference 712 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,800 brought a little life to things. Uh, you've been talking a lot of 713 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,000 smack. And that's all good, like I said, But I wonder, 714 00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:25,280 you know, and I don't know the I think I kind of know the 715 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,800 answer to this. But is there like legit animosity between you two guys or 716 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:30,800 is it like, look, you have a lot of steak both you in 717 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,480 this fight. You both have a real desire to win this fight, so 718 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,519 you know, the machismo comes out and you get your hear you know, 719 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:40,599 get your dander up a little bit. Or is there real animosity? I 720 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:44,920 mean it's kind of both. You know, right now, I can't respect 721 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,480 him right now. We enemies right now, you know, maybe after the 722 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,719 final before. You know, I've been around him before, I've been around 723 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,440 b I've been around Devin. You know, we never been friends or nothing 724 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,280 like that, but I've been around him, you know, say hey and 725 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,760 stuff like that. Tom. But you know, that's all. But I 726 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,800 don't, you know, I don't really know him like that. That's not 727 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,800 like a friend of mine really hung out with him before. I just been 728 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,280 around him before at some you know, some events and stuff, but not 729 00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:07,719 like right now. It's no respect that it's really no respect at all. 730 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,039 Like we're going to wall and I want to hurt this man. That's that's 731 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,639 what I want to do. So I don't respect him. I don't respect 732 00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:15,320 the team. I don't respect nobody. That's just, you know, it 733 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,679 is. We do have to fight. That's that's how it has to be. 734 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,000 So I know that this fight's taking place, like I mentioned, in 735 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,719 San Francisco, a city that has not had big time championship boxing for a 736 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,159 very long time. I think you got to go all the way back to 737 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:31,519 the I guess the early two thousands for a Floyd Mayweather fight there that took 738 00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:35,760 place in San Francisco, and certainly not in a big arena. But and 739 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,320 he's from San Francisco, even though he grew up in Las Vegas. I 740 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,719 wonder what are your thoughts about fighting in his hometown. It's not even his 741 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,599 hometown. That's the thing. You know, he's he's just because he was 742 00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,360 boring somewhere, that doesn't mean it's your hometown. You know, he was 743 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,480 he was raised in Henderson the Bad or something like that, you know, 744 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:52,840 So that I mean that's not as you know, hometown, I'm not. 745 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,800 I'm cool with it. I don't feel like it's no hometown favorite stuff going 746 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,119 on, you know. Like me, I'm comfortable in I trained here. 747 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,199 I used to live in California. I won my I became a two time 748 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,239 world champion in California when I fought the pata Is from La and I fought 749 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,679 him in La in course, and it's the same thing. So I'm comfortable. 750 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,840 I'm comfortable here, and you know, it's it's for me. It's 751 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,880 a better place to be here than anywhere else. I like California. Like 752 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,440 I said, I live, I used to live here. I try I 753 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,840 train him, you know, so I'm here for a long time anyway, 754 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,800 So I'm cool with it. So, as I mentioned, of course, 755 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,960 he is the lightweight champion. He's going up to challenge you for your title 756 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,280 at one hundred and forty pounds. So I actually wondered what was your reaction 757 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,920 to having the fight being billed as Hani program like they put you in the 758 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,480 B side, like some guys really care about that. If it was me, 759 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,400 I wouldn't really give a shit because I always say, what's important is 760 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,360 who's hand they raised at the end of the fight. But what are your 761 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,840 thoughts about having, you know, taking the B spot, you know, 762 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,519 being it's called called the Haini program. Yeah, same thing. I don't 763 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,679 care. Man. Look listen, I know he's a you know, he 764 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,880 is a bigger anatomy, but I don't care. You know, like they 765 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,960 can like they can do it it really well. My back is against the 766 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,440 wall and I have more pressure on me like that, I actually performed better. 767 00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:07,920 So this training, like I said, man, this training camp has 768 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,199 been crazy, Like I it's been long and it's been hard, and I've 769 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,079 been doing like super good and sparing and stuff like that. So I don't 770 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,599 man to answer your question, I don't care about none of that stuff, 771 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,559 you know, B side, A side, none of that stuff, you 772 00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:21,440 know, And at the end of the day, it's only like the results 773 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,840 from the fight that count, and that's the only thing that matters to me. 774 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,519 So I don't care. You can say any bro, you can say 775 00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:30,119 whatever you want, but listen, I'm a bus handy ass. Well, 776 00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,039 you mentioned it's been a tough training camp, and uh, people who are 777 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:35,840 gonna hear our interview are going to hear it on an audio, but we're 778 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,760 doing a zoom call so I can see you. And I was like, 779 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:38,920 look at you. It looks like you had a little bit some bruising around 780 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,599 the left either and left. It's crazy, man, this is I went 781 00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:45,199 toward rounds the day. It was like literally the last round and it was 782 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,920 like just scratches and stuff like that. But y'all got a little bruising on 783 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,920 my face right now, no problem. But yeah, but camp been, 784 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,480 Yeah, camp been like super smooth. Man, Like just told rounds to 785 00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:58,119 day. I did it really easy. You know, it wasn't hard. 786 00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,639 So it's far with guys out here in Keller. I went, you know, 787 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,400 I did like a three puck I was. I started a long time 788 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,880 ago. I was in Houston training. Then I came to California for like 789 00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:10,719 five weeks and I went back home. I went back to Texas for about 790 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,760 three weeks and I'm here until the rest of the time. So yeah, 791 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,079 man, it's just everything has been going real smooth. Can I ask you 792 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,920 who put that shiner on you. What's what's his name? We we've been 793 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,360 what's his name? I spoiled with to day? Elijah? What's elijah less 794 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,199 name? Flora, Elijah Flores. I think he is forty seven or fifty 795 00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,880 four pounder. Yeah, well, I can respect that you're giving that guy 796 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,079 a little shine. I'm gonna give everybody that shine, no matter what, 797 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:39,519 I'm gonna give them. They shine. I've been. I'm for me. 798 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:43,599 I'm just thankful that I get to like these dudes get to help me, 799 00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:45,639 you know, because the West Coast fighters they are different from where I come 800 00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:50,320 from the South fighters that the West Coast fighters are different day they have you 801 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,280 know, these dudes are fast, a lot of skill even with a lot 802 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,119 of power also, So you know, I'm just glad to you know, 803 00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:59,039 I get to work with these guys and you know, they helped me out 804 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,760 tremendously. Like I felt a lot in your when you won the title, 805 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,320 the vacant title that had been vacated by Jose Ramirez. You look really sharp. 806 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,079 That was last November. You scored an eleventh round knockout against Jose'spaida. 807 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:13,280 As you mentioned, just a really good fight and you know, you look 808 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,760 really sharp. Like I said, your first defense in June was kind of 809 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,440 like the opposite you fought Danilittoziia, not the original opponent that you were supposed 810 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,920 to fight, and Regis you know you don't bullshit when you talk about stuff. 811 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,599 I'm not gonna bullshit you. You look kind of rough in that fight, 812 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,480 eking out the decision. Not not your best showing. I know you 813 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,840 said that after the fight. What the heck happened in that fight? I 814 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,079 just I think it's just a lot of things piled up, you know, 815 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,920 just having a hometown nervousness, just going back to the walls. I mean, 816 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,639 when you have a hometown, stuff that you got deal with so much 817 00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:45,440 stuff, just doing things I once supposed to do. Before the fight. 818 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,880 Do you have fought in New Orleans before? It wasn't your first rodeo? 819 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,480 I thought when I I guess what when I thought that, it was the 820 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:57,760 same kind of thing that I thought I fought in July twenty eighteen, I 821 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,360 fought the last so yeah, I mean I stopped in the eighth round or 822 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,480 something like that, But it was it was kind of like the same thing 823 00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:06,519 I had. My face looked like this I took too many punches. It 824 00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,159 just wasn't a good performance at all, you know. I mean I stopped 825 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:10,320 them, that's cool. People look at that, but it just, you 826 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,480 know, it wasn't me. So you know, I don't know the New 827 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,960 Orleans curse whatever it is, but yeah, I was just and yeah, 828 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,400 it just wasn't a good performance. And then you know, a couple with 829 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,360 you know, he was a last man to replacement, you know, so 830 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,400 we was training for Leam Powell for the whole time and then he came in 831 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,800 three weeks later and literally he just came just to run around. Yeah, 832 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,000 you know, and of course I'm supposed to do my job and cut them 833 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,800 off and do stuff, but just a lot of stuff going on. Yeah 834 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,920 I didn't you know, I know, I didn't look good. Well to 835 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,800 say, the folks that would be backing Devin in this fight might say to 836 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,320 themselves, if a Regis program couldn't cut off the ring against Daria, how 837 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,079 the heck are you going to do it against a boxer like Devin Hainey. 838 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,400 Right, I want them to say that. I want them to say that, 839 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,000 you know, I want everybody to say that. You know, I'm 840 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,519 this number two time champion. Of course I know how to cut off the 841 00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,599 ring. You know, like I said, it just just that night. 842 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:01,679 It was just off night. You know. The thing is in boxing, 843 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,800 you know, in every other sport you might have an off night, like 844 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,000 you know, a basketball player might have off night, but they get to 845 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,719 come back. In boxing, you have an off night that people think that's 846 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,280 your identity. No, it's not my identity. I just had an off 847 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,920 night, that's all, you know. So people look at us all he's 848 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,800 done, and he's this and that. But I mean for me, I 849 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,440 embraced it. I like that. It's cool. I hope that. You 850 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,039 know, if they looking at any fight, look at that fight, you 851 00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:27,719 know, and try to study that, and you know, think I'm gonna 852 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,880 be like that now. Hainey said before that fight occurred that he was already 853 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,280 looking your way, thinking he might want to fight you when he moved up 854 00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:39,320 and went from lightweight to junior walterway before you fought Zaia. But his father, 855 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,920 Bill Haney, who was also his manager or trainer, was ringside for 856 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,719 that fight. Do you feel like the bad performance or the shaky performance, 857 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,519 however you want to describe it, was it silver lining because that's you know, 858 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,199 whether he said he wanted to fight or not. What maybe if pushed 859 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,159 them to really pursue the fight, was thinking, you know what, we 860 00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,559 just saw the way he performed against Syria, let's go for it. Do 861 00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:00,440 you think it was the silver lining to get through this matchup? Yeah, 862 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,360 I definitely, for sure, for sure, for sure. You know, 863 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,360 if I would have went out there and not one or two rounds, they 864 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,480 would have never came to close to me. I know that. You know, 865 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,519 Devin Haney says people say things like that all the time, but that 866 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,400 really, you know, that really put the candle on the cake. When 867 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,800 at that performance, Bill was there, he was like, all right, 868 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,679 you know, I see it. You know he was coming a scout. 869 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,199 So yeah, I mean, that's exactly why he was there. That's exactly 870 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,360 why he fighted me. If I would knocked him out quick, this wouldn't 871 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,039 even I would have been fighting my managory. Do either of you guys have 872 00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:32,679 a rematch clause in that fighting No, No, for either one of you 873 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,639 guys. I don't know that one. I don't. I don't I don't 874 00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:39,199 I don't have I don't need one. I don't know what he has but 875 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,760 I don't have one. I feel like I don't need one. So, 876 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,559 as I said earlier on, there's this is like a A it's a good 877 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:46,880 matchup. I think every boxing ben is like, yo, that's a good 878 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,599 fight. Uh. There's been a lot of debate among the diehards that while 879 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,000 it's on a regular The Zone subscription around the world, in the United States, 880 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:57,800 it's a pay per view, and uh, I just wanted your point 881 00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,239 of view, do you. I mean, because a lot of people are 882 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,199 like, you know, I subscribe to the Zone four classy fights like this, 883 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,599 and now they're putting every like real big time fight on pay per view. 884 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,840 I wondered, what's your perspective on it. Obviously, you know, 885 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,920 you may be able to make more money potentially if it hits, but maybe 886 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,360 a lot less people might see it. I just wonder where you come down 887 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,360 on that sort of back and forth about this should be a pay per view 888 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,679 or it shouldn't be a pay per view. Well, I mean, I 889 00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:23,119 think it is a big fight. I definitely think it's a big fight as 890 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,199 far as pay per view. You know, I don't run that stuff. 891 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,239 You know, that's that's the business side of people, you know, a 892 00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:31,159 print on pay per view. For me, the only thing I just hope 893 00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,320 it does good. You know, hopefully a lot of people see that. 894 00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:37,320 I just hope it does good. Is it is a you know, it 895 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,079 is a big fight for boxing, so you know, I just hope a 896 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,159 lot of people don't tune into it. And I want to just wrap up 897 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:44,960 with this. I mean, I don't want to look too far ahead. 898 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,280 Obviously, you got a tough fight in front of you. Everybody's looking forward 899 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,960 to it. Of course, if you win the fight, I wonder what 900 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,360 other big things do you want to do? You mentioned you don't think there's 901 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,880 a rematch clause? Is there some other opponent that you look towards some of 902 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,840 the guys that we just talked about earlier. Is it the possibility of moving 903 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,400 up to the welterweight division? Is it just just putting on a long rain 904 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,199 as a junior welterweight champion? What is? What do you think is? 905 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239 Uh? It is for you down the road? Well, really, I 906 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,440 feel like I'm gonna say one forty my rest of my career. You know, 907 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,960 somebody look up to his like I always looked up to his marble Hagler 908 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,559 say that one sixty his whole career. You know, I have the discipline 909 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,599 to do that. I've been you know, I've been feeling good. I've 910 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,199 been on my diet. I you know, I trained year round. So 911 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,519 I definitely feel like I'm gonna stay at one forty. And you know, 912 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,199 I want all the big fights. That's that's the only thing I want. 913 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,320 I want all the big fights, if it's big money fights, if it's 914 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,480 for the belts, whatever it is, I just want the big fights. 915 00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:36,320 You know, I'm at the stage in my career. You know, I 916 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,000 don't want no you know, tune up type of fights. I don't want 917 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,079 no homecoming type of fights, none of that stuff. I want all for 918 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:45,280 me, all big fights. So whatever that means, that's that's just what 919 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,880 I want. If it's you know, and and right now, luckily i'm 920 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,079 at the I'm at the weight right now. Well, it's it is a 921 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,360 lot of big fights. You know, I'm around that one thirty five want 922 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,599 forty one forty range, one forty seven range. And you know, for 923 00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:59,000 me, I'm gonna stay at one one forty my rest of my crib. 924 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,280 But you know, you do have a lot of big names out there, 925 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,039 you know, Roally has a belt. Ta Fema has a belt. Ryan 926 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:10,760 gonna see it. What's his name, the other IVF champion, Yeah, 927 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,320 he has a belt. So for me, it's it's just you know, 928 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,000 all the big fights, even like a Javonte Davis or something like that. 929 00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:20,480 Like just for me, all all the big fights, that's the only thing 930 00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,519 that I want, you know, big big, big money fights, big 931 00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:28,280 name fights, and you know, just yeah, that's all. And I 932 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,480 still want to see the Romeros fight five years ago and Rameriors. Yeah, 933 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,320 if it's a for me, yeah, if it's a big fight, then 934 00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,719 Romeiro mirror is also. You know, even if for like a Josh hillorymatch, 935 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,800 you know, I don't I don't know how likely it is because I 936 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,599 don't know if he's gonna stay at one forty with one forty seven. But 937 00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:44,880 for me, I told you what I'm doing. I'm gonna stay at one 938 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,519 forty you know, the rest of my purr. And so I plan on 939 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,440 keeping my belt and just defending my belt the rest of my purr and maybe 940 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,840 hopefully, you know, become an undisputed champion if the politics allowed. Well, 941 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,800 you have a big fight coming up. Like I said at the beginning, 942 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,920 of his interview. That's going to be December of the ninth. You're 943 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,480 taking on Devin Haney, Regis. I wish are the best of luck in 944 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,840 that matchup. I appreciate you doing this and thank you so much. Thanks 945 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:13,559 man. That was going, thank you you bet good stuff there from Regis, 946 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,760 and I know he's looking forward to this pay per view and there's some 947 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,519 chuckling and rolling of the eyes that it is a pay per view offering with 948 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,920 Devin Haney, but it is coming up December ninth in San Francisco. And 949 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,719 look, he's a guy that's kind of bounced around in different promotions. Now 950 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,559 he's back here under the match room umbrella for this fight with Haney, looking 951 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:37,519 forward to it. Good conversation right there in the build up. We still 952 00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,079 got a couple of weekends to go, Dan. Yeah, this is the 953 00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,800 second fight of a three fight contract with Mattriman. Regis is a great talker. 954 00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:47,000 He's very good at building up his fights. He's a pleasure to talk 955 00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:52,719 to. He's an interesting person. You can talk about subjects other than boxing. 956 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,360 Our interview obviously was mainly about boxing, for sure, for obvious reasons. 957 00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,079 But I've had conversations with him just you know, and it's private conversation. 958 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,280 Whe I've seen him at fights and stuff. You can talk to them 959 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,920 about a lot of different subjects. He likes to travel, he's you know, 960 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,320 interested in history and just he's more more than just boxing, even though 961 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,239 that's what he does and what's his uh, what he's known for. But 962 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,800 look, he's he's uh, he's convinced he's gonna gonna knock out Devin Haney. 963 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:21,800 He believes he's uh, he's the better puncher, the bigger man. 964 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,800 He feels like he can hang with him in terms of the boxing ability, 965 00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:28,320 and uh believes he's gonna show a lot of people, uh what he's made 966 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,559 of. And I actually thought the one thing that I asked him about that 967 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:34,719 I was very receptive to his answer and just loved it, was when I 968 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,599 asked him about the perceived disrespect that some have taken it that he is the 969 00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:43,159 guy that's the title holder in this fight, and instead of calling it Prograe 970 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,639 versus Hani, he is the B side. You know, it's Hany versus 971 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:50,480 program, even though it's Hainy challenging for his title. And you know, 972 00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:52,840 his thing was like, I don't care you know, and I love that 973 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,840 because too many guys make too much about that, who walks in the ring 974 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,320 first, who gets introduced first, what they call the fight, who's on 975 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,280 what side of the poster? And as I've always said, the only thing 976 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,400 I would care about if I was a boxer is whose name do they announce 977 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:09,639 last over? And that's mine when they raise my fucking hand. And that's 978 00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:13,320 the same attitude that Redis has, and I absolutely love it. And make 979 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,400 sure I get paid is the secondary thing. I love that, and again 980 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,199 that fight coming up December ninth, are some news you are happy about? 981 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:24,880 This? Speaking of his own pay per views? What is this? I 982 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,360 see a reasonably priced it looks like if this is to be believed, December 983 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,840 twenty third Heavyweights pay per view with the two heavyweight co main events with Anthony 984 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,079 Joshua and Deontay Wilder fighting separate people other title fights on the card. What 985 00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:43,960 reasonably priced pay per view that doesn't normally go in the same sentence I listen. 986 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,840 I was very surprised. So a couple of days ago, the read 987 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,679 seasons folks in Dizonne announced that this fight card on pay per view will be 988 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,199 carried by design. It was assumed by most that the Zone would be involved 989 00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:59,679 in some fashion, but it wasn't for sure. So they announced that they 990 00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:04,360 will be the worldwide broadcaster of this fight, and they made the point in 991 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,920 the press announcement that there will be other outlets, depending on where you live, 992 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,800 that will also have the ability to carry it. And so that tells 993 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,239 me that yes, you can buy it on his own pay per view and 994 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,960 they'll probably be the ones that produce it and that sort of thing. But 995 00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:23,639 it also means to me that at some point, as the fight gets closer, 996 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,440 it'll probably wind up being available on other platforms in other countries. So 997 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,719 in the United States, for example, it would not surprise me whatsoever if 998 00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:36,360 it does wind up being available the same broadcast for the same price, but 999 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,239 you'll be able to buy it on ESPN plus, maybe you'll be able to 1000 00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:43,480 buy it on Fight TV, you know. In the UK it'll be on 1001 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,400 his own, But it will not surprise me whatsoever because Frank larn is so 1002 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:50,119 deeply involved as the main promoter of the event in Saudi Arabia that goes on 1003 00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:53,519 his broadcaster in Britain, which is TNT Sports box Office, the pay per 1004 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:59,119 view arm of TNT Sports. So but so it'll be wildly available. But 1005 00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:02,599 the best part about it it was after they charged, was it eighty five 1006 00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:07,480 dollars or whatever? Eighty dollars a Tan Fury Naganu fight card, right, 1007 00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:13,239 and what they charged typically not when I say they just pretty much everybody like 1008 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,920 PBC, you know, den't see fights less than seventy The fight that we 1009 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,199 just saw with Benavide's and and you know the fight Andre that was a seventy 1010 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:24,599 five dollars pay per view. You know, even when top rank I think 1011 00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:28,960 when Loma fought Haini early in there, I think they charged sixty five for 1012 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,039 that pay per review. That was still you know, it was a little 1013 00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:34,440 bit cheaper. This fight with eight fights, and I don't know if they're 1014 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,599 going to show all eight fights on the pay per view or some will be 1015 00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:37,639 on the pay per view, some will be like on a you know, 1016 00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,039 a freeview or whatever. I mean, I mean, they're they're all good 1017 00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:44,039 enough fights where I can't imagine they would put these fights on and not show 1018 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:45,480 all of them, especially on his own where you don't have to, you 1019 00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:49,000 know, you just it's a stream that they show hours and hours and hours 1020 00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:53,679 and stuff thirty nine to ninety nine. I mean, I'm like a reasonably 1021 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,840 priced reasonably priced I gotta be honest, that's a hell of a price like 1022 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,880 that should entice people to say, you know what, fuck it. I'm 1023 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,920 not going to go try to steal the signal for forty bucks. I'm buying 1024 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,639 the fight. I'm gonna get a perfect stream, and I'm gonna have my 1025 01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,960 pizza and beer or whatever. But I mean, you know, when you 1026 01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:14,400 charge eighty and eighty five, some people take the attitude of that's crazy. 1027 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,800 Fuck them. I'm gonna just go find this, you know, find the 1028 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,639 signal or I'm gonna watch it on YouTube afterwards or whatever. Had forty dollars. 1029 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,519 It's almost like, yeah, at forty bucks, I gotta buy it. 1030 01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,599 So, you know, I don't know if they make it up in 1031 01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:28,760 volume or whatever, but that's a if you're a FANI, that's a good 1032 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,880 price for that pay per view. You got Joshua in a legit fight, 1033 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,880 Deontae's in a legit fight, Kergovic not so much of a legit fight, 1034 01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:39,679 Bvoll in a somewhat legit fight, Alpatie in a pretty solid fight, Dubois 1035 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,559 and Jerl Miller definitely a toss up kind of fight. Mac mndouve against your 1036 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,800 boy Kabiel that's a solid fight. And then Frank Stanchiez Junior five that's not 1037 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,079 much of a fight, but it's the old that's like the first fight of 1038 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,320 eight. So for forty dollars, you know, take my money, thank 1039 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:59,679 you, all right. Also, Showtime did confirm during the pay per view 1040 01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:02,480 brun cast the December sixteenth show in Minneapolis, which will be their final show. 1041 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,840 We're all still trying to figure out why it's not a better car or 1042 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,559 a pay per view to go out with a bang, but whatever, they 1043 01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:14,199 did confirm the opponent for David Morell. You've been reporting this, go ahead, 1044 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:15,480 Well back up for a second. I don't think you want to go 1045 01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:17,440 out on a pay per view. Number one, They went out there their 1046 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,119 last pay per view with Dnavides and and Andre. You want to have a 1047 01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:23,719 real show on your network and close it out the right way with a nice 1048 01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:28,760 tribute video and a highlight package. And you know this card is kind of 1049 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,039 part for the course of what they've been doing on their non pay per views 1050 01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:36,039 this year. Anyway, that said, it blows away that trap that HBO 1051 01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:37,159 served up on their last show, which one of the worst shows they ever 1052 01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,760 had in their history. This is at least some good solid names. And 1053 01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:45,199 you know in the opener is Chris Klobert versus Jose Valenzuela in their lightweight rematch. 1054 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,280 That's a very solid, evenly matched kind of fight. They had a 1055 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,760 close fight the first time around, so no problem with that. The fight 1056 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,599 that was that had not yet been reported. I had reported that Julio Caesar 1057 01:01:55,719 --> 01:02:00,679 Martinez would be in the co feature defending the WBCs weight title, but and 1058 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,960 I had posted a thing on social media earlier and they confirmed this on their 1059 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,599 broadcast. His opponent will be a fighter and an undefeated fighter named Angelino or 1060 01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:13,440 Dova eighteen oh to one with twelve knockouts. He is from Venezuela, twenty 1061 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,760 eight years old and he's got a string. You know, he's undefeated, 1062 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,079 but he's got some solid wins over the last few fights. Angel A Costa, 1063 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:24,280 who was a former titlelder at one aweight axel Aragon Vega, who that's 1064 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,039 a very solid win. You know, he's been beating the guys you should 1065 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,199 be so I think that's actually a pretty good matchup. If you're a fan 1066 01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:37,159 of flyweight boxing, and Julio Caesar Martinez has rarely left anybody wanting more action. 1067 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,360 He's always a guy that delivers, So I think that could be definitely 1068 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,480 a fireworks kind of fight for this card. And then, as we've talked 1069 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,000 about, the main event was confirmed, which I've reported in a few weeks 1070 01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:52,320 ago, David Morrell defending his WBA Regular Supermitawait title against Senna Egbeco. This 1071 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,840 was a fight that was previously scheduled but was but was called off because of 1072 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,920 a problem with them that Deco had taken in his pre fight medical exam. 1073 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,159 I am told that that whatever that issue has been resolved and he is now 1074 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,400 clear to fight. So that's your show. So we will close out showtimes 1075 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,679 thirty seven year history with that triple header. And you know what I got 1076 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,599 to tell you, TJ. I'm watching the paper VI the other night, 1077 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,000 and numerous times during the course of the broadcast they kept referring to it as 1078 01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:23,719 our final Showtime pay per view, and it's finally starting to sink in. 1079 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:29,079 I wanted to cry about ten times well, and they were very you know, 1080 01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,840 they were sentimental even on this pay per view too. And talking about 1081 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,400 that's going to be the last show in the end of thirty seven years of 1082 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,320 the run, etc. So there's some time to build that up now. 1083 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,400 In many ways, by the way, that was In many ways that was 1084 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,119 the end because a lot of the people who showed up for the fight in 1085 01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,800 Las Vegas over the weekend, that's the last time allot of thse people a 1086 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,039 going to see each other, at least in the context of a Showtime event, 1087 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,079 because not many people are making a trip to Minnesota to Minneapolis in the 1088 01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:58,760 middle of December for this level of a show where it's going to be zero 1089 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,239 degrees outside most likely. So yes, they'll still do the show and hopefully 1090 01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:05,719 they'll give us a proper tribute reel. But it feels like this is like 1091 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,840 the coda, if you will, to the history. And by the way, 1092 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,679 they will show for those who didn't get a chance to see the Benavidas 1093 01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:17,400 fight and haven't like try to find it on the internet anywhere. Showtime will 1094 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:23,280 replay the main event in its entirety on this coming Saturday night. All Right, 1095 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:29,239 nostalgia time, you have in previous conversations brought this fight up. Tyson 1096 01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,679 Fury on November twenty eight, twenty fifteen, eight years ago, Tuesday did 1097 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:42,840 become the IBFWBAWBO heavyweight champion and win the lineal title, but not exactly an 1098 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,840 all timer in that win. So it does make the rundown, but we 1099 01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,679 don't have to prolong that it was not a tremendous fight. You were not 1100 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,199 their ringside, and then Fury went off the deep end. Let's be honest, 1101 01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:58,000 let's be truthful with his problems with alcohol, with drugs, with humongous 1102 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,760 weight gain and disappeared after this. But he did win on that night eight 1103 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,519 years ago. Listen, that means he's been the lineal champion for eight years 1104 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:09,559 now. You can disagree with some of the opponents he has facing that timeframe. 1105 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,519 You can be disappointed that he was off for so long because of his 1106 01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,039 issues. You could perhaps think to your yourself, he shouldn't be considered a 1107 01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:19,039 lineal champion because he did have, you know, almost a three year break 1108 01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:26,760 in between. And I always maintain had Wilder and Joshua fought at that time 1109 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,719 during that span when Fury was out of action, out of the ring, 1110 01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,320 and they were both holding the ouph of that titles, and they were both 1111 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:38,320 undisputed part of what makes a fighter the lineal champion, besides, of course 1112 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,960 the man who beat the man, is that when there is a break in 1113 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:45,280 the lineage in terms of man who beat the man, it's who does the 1114 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:50,360 world coalesce around. Had Wilder and Joshua fought during the sabbatical of Tyson Fury, 1115 01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:55,880 I'm fairly sure that the fans in the media would have coalesced around the 1116 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,079 winner of that fight, But they're the ones that didn't fight, and they 1117 01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:00,719 were trying to make the fight, and their teams didn't make that fight, 1118 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,320 and they didn't make that fight, so they never got a chance to have 1119 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:09,239 the world coalesce around the winner. So therefore, when Fury came back, 1120 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,039 it was pretty much still status quo in the rest of the division, and 1121 01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:15,360 so therefore he had never been beaten, and so he's still the lineal champion. 1122 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,320 So you can agree with that or disagree them, but that's my perspective 1123 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,440 on it, and I think that's very logical. And then he went, 1124 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,840 of course, had a couple of tune ups, had the Great Trilogy with 1125 01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:29,519 Deontay Wilder, with you know, a couple of fights in there between him 1126 01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:31,440 and Tom Schwartz and him and out of Whaling and those fights, and then 1127 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,199 of course he's had the Dylan White, Shasora Nagana whatever. But this is 1128 01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:39,360 not about the merit of those matches. It's about that he's the lineal champion. 1129 01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:42,800 And the way he became the lineal champion was by bumping off Vladimir Klitico 1130 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,719 eight years ago, at a time when Vladimir had become a historical figure. 1131 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,480 He had rained for over ten years or close to it, he had made 1132 01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:54,840 you know, eighteen defenses. He had gotten to the point where he was 1133 01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:59,199 in the same conversation in terms of the statistics with people like Joe Lewis and 1134 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,159 Larry Holmes and terms of the length of reign, number of defenses. As 1135 01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:08,719 a matter of fact, Vladimir Klitschko has appeared in more heavyweight world title fights 1136 01:07:08,719 --> 01:07:13,719 than anybody who ever lived in terms of overall in his multiple reigns as champion, 1137 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,679 and Tyson Fury won that horrible, horrible, horrible fight to become the 1138 01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:21,480 lineal champion. So again we're not talking about about if it was good, 1139 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,880 if it was bad, and I'm talking shifty on the facts. He won 1140 01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,840 the fight, no doubt, as I've always said, it was one guy 1141 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,599 looked terrible and one guy looked worse. Fury, I thought looked terrible, 1142 01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:33,960 and I thought Ladimir looked worse. That was Vladimir on probably, you know, 1143 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,159 other than when he lost by knockout, was like his worst performance, 1144 01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:41,559 because he showed he was not done. He had a lot left after that, 1145 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,199 the way he fought against against Anthony Joshua, even though he lost. 1146 01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:48,920 And it's unfortunate because I would have been interested what Fury could have done if 1147 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:54,679 he had rained in that talent and not been on drugs and not had the 1148 01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:59,119 mental health issues he had, and not been drinking and not been using cocaine, 1149 01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:03,159 and not being stripped of titles and not not making mandatories and all that 1150 01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:05,559 kind of basins. And one of the things about that fight people forget about. 1151 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:10,159 You know, there's a lot of discussion right now because of the fact 1152 01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:13,280 that Terrence Crawford was stripped by the IBF of the weld Away title, you 1153 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,119 know, pretty short order after he fought in the summer against Aerol Spence. 1154 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:23,439 Tyson Fury within i want to say, ten days, two weeks whatever it 1155 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:29,359 was, was ordered to fight the mandatory in the IBF and that was not 1156 01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,439 going to happen because he had a rematch clause with Clitchcow which he never honored 1157 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,600 and fucked Clitchko in that respect. He got stripped to the IBF title even 1158 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,520 before he failed all the drug tests. So it's just bringing back a lot 1159 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,680 of bad memories about that time. But it is the anniversary, and that's 1160 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,800 what we do here in this podcast. We talked about anniversaries a good, 1161 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,680 bad, or ugly. That was ugly, but it made him the millennial 1162 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,600 champion. All right, you're going to brighten up a little more real quick. 1163 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:58,800 Nineteen years ago Monday is Marco Antonio Berrera and now now you're talking their 1164 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,720 trilogy fight WBC Junior Lightweight Title two thousand and fours. Fight of the year. 1165 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,119 By the way, did this fight also have the Round of the year. 1166 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,600 I'm looking at this rundown. This rundown was for like five sentences about 1167 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,039 this fight, including you being there. Give me the synopsis please, yeah, 1168 01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:19,039 listen, it was the fight. Look, everybody remembers and loves and 1169 01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:26,840 holds a high esteem and romanticizes about the great first fight between Barrera and Morales. 1170 01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,119 It took place in two thousand on HBO as a standalone one fight Boxing 1171 01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:34,560 after Dark sort of. It was at the anniversary of the creation of the 1172 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,239 show, and they put on one of the all time classics. It was 1173 01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:43,239 a one hundred and twenty two pound junior featherweight unification fight that will stand the 1174 01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,880 test of time forever and ever and ever. Then they had the rematch, 1175 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,359 which was another excellent fight, but maybe not the same level as the first 1176 01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,159 fight. But they were now one and one, so that the trilogy was 1177 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:55,079 inevitable. So the way that they worked it out with they didn't go back 1178 01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:59,359 to back to back the way say Gaddi and war did, or Vasquez and 1179 01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:01,680 Marquez did. Uh. They spaced these out by it by with a couple 1180 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,640 of years between each fights. But when they finally got to four and both 1181 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,920 guys were still you know, high fighting at a high level. Uh, 1182 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,079 they they did it again this time. Uh this you know, the second 1183 01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:15,159 fight, third fight, we're on HBO pay per view, whereas the first 1184 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:18,359 one was a regular network fight. Uh. This time it's for the junie 1185 01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:23,119 you know, the WBC junior lightweight title that Morales held, and there was 1186 01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:26,079 one in one. Uh. They still hated each other's guts, you know, 1187 01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:28,279 they had that one of the bitterest rivalries. Ever. They're cool now, 1188 01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:30,680 I guess with each other. But back at that time, and like 1189 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,920 I said, I covered uh the second and third fights in person. Uh 1190 01:10:33,039 --> 01:10:36,439 that did the The level of disdain that these two men for had for each 1191 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,399 other and their teams, frankly, was as off the charts as anything I've 1192 01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:44,119 ever seen in all the bad quote unquote bad blood fights I have covered. 1193 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,199 And they put on an absolutely spectacular fight. So the point I'm making here 1194 01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:51,399 is this, while the first fight gets most of the attention and the love, 1195 01:10:53,319 --> 01:10:57,239 the third fight is just as good, is just as classic. In 1196 01:10:57,279 --> 01:11:00,439 some ways, just is even more important because it was the time breaker, 1197 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,199 and it was for history. They were fighting not only for the Morales, 1198 01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:06,840 you know, sanctioning body title in essence, as we've talked about with other 1199 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:13,000 fights, this has been said as I've heard it then describe Ali and Fraser. 1200 01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:15,119 They were not only fighting for the heavyweight championship in Manila. They were 1201 01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:18,439 fighting for the championship of each other. And that's a Barer and Morales were 1202 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,119 doing. After twenty four hillacious rounds with each other, now going another twelve 1203 01:11:23,119 --> 01:11:26,439 to make it thirty six rounds. An absolutely classic fight. It was the 1204 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,239 twenty oh four pretty much consensus fight of the year. Round eleven is as 1205 01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:33,920 breathtaking as anything you'll ever see. Round five of the first fight was considered 1206 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,600 by many the round of the year in two thousand. Round eleven of the 1207 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:42,000 third fight is way up there, also an extraordinary fight. It was a 1208 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,239 privilege to be ringside at the MGM for that matchup. And while it doesn't 1209 01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:49,680 necessarily go on my list as the greatest fight I've ever covered, because I 1210 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,880 was there for Corrals Castillo and other great fights, also, yep, this 1211 01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:59,239 is high high on that list of just where you as a journalist are taught 1212 01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:01,279 to, you know, keep your emotions in check. But it was the 1213 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,439 kind of fight where when the fight's over, you, even as a reporter, 1214 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,840 not because you're favoring one guy or the other, you just want to 1215 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,399 stand up and applaud and and and give your props and your your appreciation for 1216 01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,960 what these two guys did. And it was an incredible, incredible fight. 1217 01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,000 All right, good stuff there with all the nostalgia. Also, by the 1218 01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:24,199 way, twenty five years ago on Tuesday, Costa Zoo had a title defense 1219 01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:28,880 that was an entertaining fight defense. Oh it was uh what was it? 1220 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,039 It was to win the interim title. And so this this makes the rundown 1221 01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:36,039 because we talk a lot on this show about famous fights. Morales Breer three, 1222 01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:38,840 I would think that's a pretty famous fight. It was the fight of 1223 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,000 the year. Klitchko Fury might have sucked the route, but it was still 1224 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,880 the heavyweight championship of the world and all that. But sometimes, you know, 1225 01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:48,800 I like to I like to bring attention to fights that maybe a lot 1226 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:53,079 of people haven't watched or they're not all that familiar with, right, you 1227 01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:55,640 know, that was a great fight that they might want to like investigate a 1228 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,279 little bit. That's one of those sort of I consider it like a lost 1229 01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:01,800 classic, if you will. So you go back to nineteen to nineteen ninety 1230 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,880 eight, so twenty five years ago, coming up in a couple of days. 1231 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:09,520 This was just a regular boxing after dark cart on HBO. This was 1232 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,640 typical of the kinds of shows that they did in that time frame. They 1233 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,920 did a tremendous doubleheader where you had in the main event, you had who 1234 01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,119 at the time was the WBC featherweight champion, Luisito Espinosa, who had made 1235 01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:24,920 like six or seven defenses, a top notch Filipino fighter that was in the 1236 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:30,319 middle of an excellent title reign. He fought the outstanding Kennedy McKinney, who 1237 01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:32,279 had been a champion at bandonmwaight and junior featherweight, was now trying to win 1238 01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:36,319 a title in a third way class. Say that correctly. Memphis native Kennedy 1239 01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:43,159 McKinney as well had had the barn burner with Barrera in the very first ever 1240 01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:45,119 main event on Boxing after Dark. He was one of the guys that, 1241 01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:48,600 you know, when Boxing after Dark was created, it was made mostly for 1242 01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:53,600 the smaller fighters, you know, featherweights and junior featherweights and you know, 1243 01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:57,560 in a little bit further up the scale. So that was the main event 1244 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,760 and McKinney got blown out by Espinoza in the second round and just not a 1245 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:05,039 memorable fight, but the opening fight on that card. Remember Casazu had he 1246 01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:10,039 had he made his biggest fights on Showtime and became a Hall of Famer on 1247 01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:13,319 Showtime and had a contract with the network and fought you know, many of 1248 01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:15,359 his biggest fights there. But before that he was with HBO and he had 1249 01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:20,039 gotten knocked out by Vince Phillips and lost the IBF title and a huge upset 1250 01:14:20,119 --> 01:14:25,520 in a very very good fight that just shocked everybody with the result of that 1251 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,600 match. So he was making his way back and he met up with Dio 1252 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,760 Bellis Hurtado, who was a Cuban defector who had given as a completely unknown 1253 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,520 guy. Like you want to talk about guys who were obscure, you know, 1254 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,520 Hurtato was not known at all. He had defected, didn't speak English, 1255 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,840 hadn't really been on TV much. He got an opportunity absolutely out of 1256 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,960 nowhere to fight Pernel Whittaker on HBO uh and gave him the hardest fight of 1257 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,800 his life. As they're trying to set of the Dala Hoi fight. This 1258 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,880 is in ninety seven, and you know, Whittaker not a big puncher, 1259 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:58,479 as everybody knows. He had knocked him down, and Whittaker amazingly with Oscar 1260 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,000 de la Hoya sitting ringside thinking and his gigantic fight is going down the toilet. 1261 01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:05,079 Pearnel. Whittaker scored an eleventh round knockout over Hurtado, but that would 1262 01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:10,359 go down I think as a very acceptable, acceptable win. He went on 1263 01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:13,359 a long winning streak after that fighterur title. He got very, very busy, 1264 01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,680 and he got in a position to fight Kasazu for the then interim title 1265 01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:19,920 of the WBC T one hundred and forty pounds, where the winner would then 1266 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:24,680 fight for the vacant title against Miguel Angel Gonzalez, who was an excellent Mexican 1267 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,880 fighter at that time, who had fought Oscar de la Hoya. So they 1268 01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:33,039 meet for this interim title in the opening fight on HBO, and it is 1269 01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:35,680 like I said to you, I consider it like a lost classic. This 1270 01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,560 is a fight that if you want to see it just a great shootout between 1271 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,159 two good fighters. Kasazu at the time, no one was thinking he's a 1272 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,800 Hall of Famer because he hadn't established himself at that level yet. Hurtado was 1273 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,640 only lost going into that fight was against Pearnel Whitaker, who was, you 1274 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,039 know, one of the all time greats and was just about to fight Oscar 1275 01:15:51,079 --> 01:15:56,640 de la Hoya in a welterweight title defense, and out of nowhere, Kasazu 1276 01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,960 w and deb Beels Tourtato put on this fucking war where Coasazuo is down in 1277 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,600 the first round, her Toado is arms taking back. Cosazu is down twice 1278 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:08,399 in the first round. Her tato was he was knocked down first, was 1279 01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,640 badly hurt, and Zoo comes back, walks right into a punch, gets 1280 01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,640 dropped, gets dropped again. They battle it out, they go back and 1281 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,560 forth. It's a great fight. Round five, Cossazu knocks down her title 1282 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,439 two more times and gets a knockout. But this is like a wild shootout 1283 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,920 and nobody ever brings it up or talks about it. So while I love 1284 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:29,000 to talk nostalage on this podcast and we bring up the big mega fight anniversaries, 1285 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:30,560 I saw this one on the calendar and I'm like, you know what, 1286 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,680 I want to talk about Cosazoo and Diabell's artato because it's a lost fucking 1287 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,119 classic. So find that on YouTube. Watch this fight. It's a lot 1288 01:16:39,119 --> 01:16:44,720 of fun five rounds, and it was like an early building block of Cossazou's 1289 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,920 resume because that turned out to be a really good win for him. It 1290 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,279 put him in position to fight Miguel Angel Gonzalez for the title, which he 1291 01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:56,319 ended up winning in parlaying into other unifications to become the undisputed champion and h 1292 01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,319 I just absolutely loved that card because I loved Espen McKinney as a matchup, 1293 01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:02,640 even though it turned out to be a little bit one sided. And then 1294 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,760 Kasazu and Hurtitos told the show as the opener, just a great fucking file 1295 01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,079 fight. They did this outside at the Fantasy Springs in Indio, California, 1296 01:17:11,119 --> 01:17:14,560 where Golden Bay has so many of its events. But if my memory serves, 1297 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,000 this was an outdoor fight at that time, they didn't have their arenas 1298 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,920 just yet. Anyway, definitely worth your your twenty minutes to go find it 1299 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,960 on YouTube and watch the show, because I watched. If we watch the 1300 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,560 whole fight, Paul Card, I think the two fights will together only lastly 1301 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,319 forty five minutes. Anyway, kasas Zu debusser titled twenty five years ago, 1302 01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:36,399 go watch it. Your public service nostalgia announcement from one Dan Rayfield to close 1303 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,880 things out, Busy Busy off the weekend again, a highly entertaining fight card 1304 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,479 that we recapped in Las Vegas. The showtime PBC card Katie Taylor gets your 1305 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,079 revenge. You heard from Regis program, you got some news, you got 1306 01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:53,039 some nostalgia. I think we're about done here. That's a show that the 1307 01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:56,199 shows. That is a show, and we'll put this one to bed. 1308 01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:00,960 We'll get ready for Ryan Garcia, who you heard immediately previously on the preview 1309 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,079 podcast and his fight with Oscar Juwarte this week, along with the other boxing 1310 01:18:04,079 --> 01:18:06,880 action in the preview later in a week. It'll be December when you and 1311 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,960 I do this again, going into the preview mode with that, Dan Rayfield, 1312 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,199 have a good week this week. We appreciate it as always. By 1313 01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:16,399 the way, you failed to mention that I was six and one on our 1314 01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,199 bet Us show. You were six and one on the bet Us show, 1315 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:25,279 and I ended up what five and two because Benavidez got andred out of there 1316 01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:28,600 like you said that he would. I think that makes meek ten and two 1317 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,880 over the last two weeks. All right, we like that you're making money. 1318 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,640 Bet Us Show one Eastern time on Fridays on their platform. We did 1319 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,279 well. Listen, have a great week. All good here, Thank you, 1320 01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:41,680 my friend you bet there's Dan Rayfield on Merely TJ Reeves. We appreciate 1321 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,279 you being with us, follow subscribe, rate us, and review us as 1322 01:18:44,279 --> 01:18:47,119 well on Apple Podcasts, Freaker, Spotify. It is the fight Freaks You 1323 01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:49,800 Night Recap podcast Off the Weekend Back