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Mmm, Hello and welcome to Open
Mind UFO Radio. This is your host

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin Digi Willis Digi Digi. Wow?

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Did yous kind of like digital because
you're like the town dig dude?

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What do you call your failure?
Oh? Tech? No failure? Oh

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yes, jeez you We can talk
more about that later. Yeah. I

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mean essentially what you're talking about,
of course, is there were some technical

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difficulties with your interview recently with Louise
Elizonda. But those are fixed now and

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we'll get into that. But I
do want to talk to introduce the show

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to people who haven't listened before,
and we are getting lots of new listeners.

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Martin, this is exactly, but
we cover credible UFO news in a

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journalistic manner, so we looked at
the substantiated, credible information, and we

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do look at some of the speculation, but we let you know if it's

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speculation. Whereas you know, in
this field, there's tons of crazy speculation

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that is kind of you know,
sold as gospel, but there's a lot

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we don't know, but we're we're
looking into that and there's a lot more

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substantiated information these days it's an incredible
time for credible information in this field.

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But we also review the news the
headlines in this story at the beginning of

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the show, and then we'll be
doing that in a second. That will

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this first segment, and then the
last two segments will be our guests.

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However, we do have guests as
opposed to just one guest on the show,

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so this is really exciting. We've
got a bunch of guys who have

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been following all of this whole Unidentified
television show on the History Channel and this

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Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program Secretive Group
of the Pentagon to investigate UFOs, and

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so I brought these guys on on
a panel to kind of review my interview

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with Luise Elizondo and Martin's and some
of what's going on. So some of

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these guys are Mike Demante of Punk
Rock and UFOs. We've got Joe Murghia

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of UFO Joe dot Net, and
then we've got Danny Silva of the Silva

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Record. So this is gonna be
a lot of fun. Wow. Great,

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I'm just so sorry I missed it. I know you were going to

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be there and there, but that
didn't work. That was too bad.

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I had to go out on the
boat. But getting into the news.

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You know, one of the things
that both Martin and I have gotten to

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do fortunately recently is interview Louise Elizondo. He's done several interviews with Fox News,

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CNN, all these big news They
were a Good Morning America. But

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the UFO people, you know,
people who are kind of more into the

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topic and more educated on the details, haven't been able to get to interview

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them in quite some time. And
Martin and I did get to, so

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we got to ask some specific questions. We also coorinated a bit to make

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sure that our questions were not overlapping, which was a good thing I think,

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because then we were able to get
in more questions because we both had

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limited time. But Martin, I
think that I mean, I know there

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were some technical issues. I was
teasing you about that, but I mean

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your interview was still great. Well, well, thank you. Yes,

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I have no idea what happened,
and it's just like, uh, you

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know, I wrote a blog about
it on my website just because it was

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so unreal what happened. It was
like a curse. I did. I

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did, indeed pull it off,
but I had no idea while I was

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doing it, if if I was
pulling it off or not. And the

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reason being is, well, anyone
can go over to my website. Do

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you mind if I give it out? Oh of course, I always plug

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your website. Yeah, PODCASTUFO dot
com. You can see my blog and

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I go into detail what happened,
but I mean kind of yeah, let's

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not. I won't go into detail
here. Yeah, because it doesn't matter.

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I mean, you got the interview
out and you've done something really cool,

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and I want to make sure people
know this. You re edit it

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where you fix the audio essentially what
your questions are. So if some people

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are too annoyed by the YouTube with
that, you know, with your voice

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essentially being really low, there you've
edited and fixed it where there's another version

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where it's all clean. And luckily, Luise Elizondo, because I tuned in,

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he came across great. I mean
you could hear his voice very clearly.

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Yeah, And after the interview was
over, I did go in and

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listen because I know this is hard
to believe. I had no idea what

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he was saying. I could just
barely really, Yeah, the audio was

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so so hard coming in that I
could I was guessing when he was done

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with a sentence before I'd asked my
next question. So it was it was

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really, really quite a challenge,
and it's just I think my studios haunted.

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I think that's I'm not in my
studio studio now and that's why you

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hear me, right, because stuff
is working. Yeah, but you know,

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it's funny. The whole thing almost
fell apart on both of us,

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and you know, you pulled it
together, you know, I mean we

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both got to notice that the interview
was off, and yeah, we were

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able to reach it. Let's get
into the details of the interview. Actually,

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yeah, uh, because I think
people find that more interesting than how

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we did it. But the details
of your interview, how did you feel

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about the answers he gave you and
what were some of the uh, what

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was some of the information that you
felt was most shocking or or interesting.

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Well, first of all, I
asked him right off the bat about Keith

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Klare's article in The inceptor I think
that's the name of it, Intercept and

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intercept. Yes, thank you,
and so I think he you know,

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he answered the only way he could, because how can you defend you know,

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it's just one of those questions.
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when a says this Keith Klure getting
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is. He wrote an article and
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DoD. You said, uh,
And I think the verbiage is important.

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That Luise Elizondo had no responsibilities to
a tip. That's essentially what he had

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said, And of course detractors,
people like Chlora, took that as saying

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he didn't work for a tip at
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another DoD spokesperson already confirm months ago, back in December twenty seventeen to Brian

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Bender of Politico, that he did
work for a tip. And let alone,

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we have all the people who work
for a tip saying yes, lou

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worked for a tip. But go
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I think what you just said there
is almost more important than a spokesperson as

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other people that say they actually worked
with him. You know, even David

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Fraber mentioned in twenty fourteen that you
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to him as part of that program. And so I think that's just as

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important with all these people saying yeah, I remember him there, you know,

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I mean as a spokesperson, because
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get the straight scoop from any spokesperson
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you know, the way it is, right, So so I thought that,

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you know, he answered that as
best he's as best he could and

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basically ended it with saying, you
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come out and you know, he'll
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side of it. But you know, I mean, what what is he

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going to do produced documents or you
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that. So and then you know, I just thought the the his questions,

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he answered all my questions, I
thought, very well, very thorough

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and again he's not the thing I
really like about him. He's not you

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know, trying to force anyone to
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He just he just puts it out
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But I totally any little tiny bit
of doubt I had about him has gone.

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Now. I totally believe he is
who he says he is and and

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and all that. So I was
really thrilled that I did get that that

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specifically, do you feel that you
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the answers to his question to your
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I think it's more the fact that
I've just I've looked at everything you know

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that I can find and read and
and different opinions on both sides. There's

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like two camps like there is about
everything today and uh and just kind of

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taking it all in and then and
then actually getting to beat him in person.

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I don't know, I just feel
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feel as though I don't have any
thoughts of negativity about him saying what he

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is. I mean, I don't
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the case, or you know,
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And one of the questions I did
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to ask him, and that was
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government contractor currently? And he started
laughing. He said, well, I

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sure wish if I was, I
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So there's there's you know, that's
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out there. I don't know,
you probably got a flot of questions as

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well from people oh yeah, and
then you started asking me questions. You're

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like, I can't. I have
already too many questions. Maybe have Alandro,

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And I'm like, what, don't
send them to me. I already

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have a ton, so I know, And actually some of them you head

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forwarded me. I did want to
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even I might. I don't think
I got into those. But you know

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why I asked you why you believe
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when you meet someone and talk to
someone, there's their character, and you're

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trying to make judgments off of character. Of course that's more subjective, but

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I've always got the sense that,
you know, he's this genuine guy,

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and of course I speak to him
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gets emotional about some things. He
gets frustrated by some things, and

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it's they're very natural responses. And
I think that when you meet him,

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or when you hear him answering these
questions like he answered for us, there's

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no indication there where he's pausing to
make something up or to liar, to

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fabricate. He tackles the question.
Sometimes he feels a little exasperated, you

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know, by the question, but
it'll tackle it and try to answer it

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honestly, and they come across that
way. So if he was some sort

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of still governing, you know,
this was some part of some conspiracy,

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he'd have to be an incredible actor. But you know, let's put all

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that aside and just look at the
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the data itself. That's why I
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it's a lot of the people like
Klare Clare has gotten kind of in these

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online battles, well with me because
he's attacked me on on Twitter, but

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also with Brian Bender, who wrote
that a political article article. And Bender

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has been pretty plain that hey,
dude, you did not do your job.

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You were obvious spinning. And that
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someone in journalism, because sure Sherwood
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is not clear. We know that
there is only limited information a PAO officer

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has. We know this through our
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who's questioning that, also knows because
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was a war correspondent. He's worked
writing about defense, just like Tyler Rogaway,

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you know. But even more of
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I can't say that for sure,
but just to say he's very seasoned.

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He's an editor, for goodness sakes, for Politico on these topics,

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so he would understand that, you
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that information. They Out of everybody
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of the DoD is going to be
the least informed. It's just the way

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it is. I mean, this
is a someone who's not an officer,

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who's not been involved with all of
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know from read that they tried to
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Then we have a host of other
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is all confirmed that Louise worked for
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disingenuous to ignore all of that and
not mention it. If you're writing a

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story. It's great to write a
story about Sherwood. I don't even mind.

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I love that people are trying to
look for the holes and try to

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find the information around it. We
need the truth. But when you write

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a story, you've got to be
honest, and you've got to say Sherwood

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said this However, we have a
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why is there this discrepancy? That
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the way the question should be posed. It shouldn't be an accusation and oh,

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look, this is evidence these people
are lying, and that's the stance

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that was taken. Unfortunately, and
you know, some of these detractors who

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have been very vocal about all of
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we're just you know, innocently.
No, I mean, the main

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person behind all of this got upset
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I believe that one of these documents
that turned out to be real that the

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DoD said wasn't real and then had
to change their story. Sherwood had to

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change his story and say, oh, I was wrong. You know,

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he got mad at me for even
implying or suggesting that this document was real,

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and that's very frustrating. Also,
Sherwood, out of everybody, has

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the worst track record. He's been
wrong in the past. And I don't

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even mean to criticize him so much
because he has limited information. But still,

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you've got to be honest about all
of the data on the table and

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all the data on the table.
Thus far has been has shown that all

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these major players, you know NAP, you know, some of the other

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people, the people involved with a
TIP have been accurate, people like Melan

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Louise I mean, their statements have
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me ask you this, Alejandro,
what what could lou Alessando do to prove

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or does not even really care what
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prove that he did work for a
TIP and that was he was heading a

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tip? Well, you know during
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it's already done. So there is
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There's a document that was a memo
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was a petition essentially for a TIP
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Access Program status. These are the
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term is SAP Special Access Program So
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that allows them is more secrecy for
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them to be able to request to
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That's what they were seeking. They
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George Knapp leaked out this document that
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for. And Harry Reid has confirmed
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a document I used to try to
get SAP status. Now the names were

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redacted in that document, but because
of all of this to do with Sherwood's

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recent statement in Color's article, George
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this from Luis Elizondo and from how
put Off and I've seen this document as

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well, unredacted, and so you
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are part of the program. So
he re released it showing that how put

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Of and Louise Aleixando were part of
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of a tip Not only that,
the reason why he put how put Of

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is because how put Of has been
telling people and I've gotten this from how

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himself saying that yes, Alizondo was
part of the program. When I went

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to the Pentagon, I reported to
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all you need. You it's not
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be honest, I mean that is
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touh, but to have confirm the
people who were involved, to confirm that

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credible people who we know were involved. That's just as good. So what

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would be helpful going forward is maybe
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I do not doubt that we're probably
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be helpful is then people sharing this
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he just doesn't have the information.
I've been saying he should have said,

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according to the information I have,
Luise Elsondo did not have responsibilities to a

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tip because he should have put that
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sure if he would have said,
you know, I know definitely lou did

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not work for a tip. Well, then he's claiming that all these people

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are a lying his predecessor, you
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claiming all these but that's not what
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know any better. This is all
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I've sent him information I know others
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is examining this information and will be
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I think we're going to see him
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Okay, I didn't have all the
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what I found. That's what we
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saying, oh, look this,
this is evidence that the Flair videos were

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not from the DD because this guy
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evidence of this and that. And
then later, when he's educated and documents

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come out to show otherwise, they
make a statement, oh, okay,

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we admit that a TIP was part
of UFOs. The DoD did release those

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Flair videos. So I mean,
come on, Like I've said, there's

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a pattern here. They the DoD
says something counter to something we know,

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or at least indicating something that is
counter to something we know. They're educated,

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then they come out and say,
okay, they don't say we were

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wrong specifically, but they are they
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oh, we got new information and
indeed this was the truth. What Lou

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and the ATIP guys have been saying
was the truth. And we've seen this

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pattern over and over and over again. So, like I put in one

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tweet, what's the definition of insanity? You know, at this point you

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might even be able to say it's
insane to just take sure words word for

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it without more information. Because every
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So I think we have an abundance
of information. We may get more.

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At this point, we need to
move on because this is a waste

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of time to part to rehash this
one question where we already know the answer,

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whereas and we should get into some
of the news. There's a lot

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of great information still coming forward.
Yeah, just one last thing. On

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the redacted letter from George Knapp,
I someone had written me a note that

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that pre dated Lou Alizondo's claim.
Is that is that so I mean that,

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document does say Lou was involved with
a TIP, and and Lou has said

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he was involved with a TIP.
You've got to read and it is confusing,

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and I don't blame people. I've
got an article that's called from ASAPP

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to a TIP. ASAP was the
Advanced Aerospace Weapons System Application Program. A

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TIP was the second program, which
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that's why I written this article. And

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I don't think anybody's broken it down
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people to find out what happened.
Essentially, there was ASAP, which was

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covering all the paranormal researching Skinwalker that
right when it started, people didn't like

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it. There were especially religious factions
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We can't do this. So they
started a subgroup called a TIP that

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focused just on military UFO cases that
they hoped would survive. That's what lou

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came to be involved with, involved
with at first not run and then so

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they were right, ASAP was just
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went away, and then a TIP
luckily survived and they were able to continue

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to investigate UFOs and then in twenty
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does it predate when Lou's ran a
TIP, Yes, but it doesn't predate

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his involvement with a TIP obviously because
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Okay, thanks for that clarification.
It is confusing, so I'd recommend people

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read that article. And that's why
my first question to lou when I interviewed

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him was, you know, as
far as you know, because he's looked

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at that story, that is accurate, right, and he said, yeah,

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it is. And the way he
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he said, oh my gosh,
that's crazy accurate. He's like,

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I don't even know where you got
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feel like I gave you all that
information. He's like, that's the most

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accurate telling of the story i've seen. Those were his remarks to me,

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which, of course I felt very
proud of that, because I just want

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to help clarify all this situation for
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say, and I know we don't
have much time here to talk about anything

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else, but one thing I have
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There's hardly any journalistic media out there
that does as much research and vetting as

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a New York Time before Times before
they publish a story. That's they're extremely

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careful exactly, so if you're questioning
their facts, you better have your stuff

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together. And so far people who
have questioned him have been wrong. And

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even I thought, well, what
they wrote in there doesn't necessarily fit the

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timeline. But if you read my
story I just mentioned, yes, what

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they wrote does even fit the timeline, and I even answer why they excluded

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the afset part, and that's in
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the research was Politico and Brian Bender
I've had some discussions with him, and

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he's tweeted this recently. He talked
with generals, He talked with a bunch

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of high level officials inside the government
when he caught wind of a tip's existence,

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and he verified through these people before
twenty seventeen that a TIP existed.

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He said, the sentiment was ATIP
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I said, okay, do what
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anything to do with it because it's
too crazy. So Bender talked and he

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tweeted this. He talked to very
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well well well established at this point. A TIP exists what we need to

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do. And you know, you
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which we're going to see and unidentified
that we wouldn't have a television program based

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on these guys that were the Navy
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you know, essentially, it's so
well established at this point. I think

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it's it's kind of silly to be
wasting our time with it, to be

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honest, I mean, we got
to move on, right And speaking of

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moving on, I think we're almost
out of time, aren't we. Yep,

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gotta move on, you know that
eighty song. But one of the

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articles I want to mention too in
the news, because I did post news

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at the front page of Open Minds
dot TV is won by Task and Purpose,

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which is a great journalist who actually
talked to the Navy and the Air

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Force about their thoughts, and the
Navy said, well, there's a prolifilation

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of drones out there, so we
don't know what some of these uabs may

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be or UAPs UFOs, and then
an Air Force guy said, but you

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know what, drones probably don't have
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it's kind of interesting. We've got
this conversation about going on about this stuff.

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So that's a great article. A
number of other great articles. But

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thank you Martin so much. You
bet. I can't wait to listen to

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the roundtable. I'm sorry I missed
it. Yeah, that's to be there.

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Yeah, we're hoping Martin could join
us, but it didn't work out.

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But thank you so much. Let's
go ahead and listen to that roundtable

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after this break. I am super
happy to welcome back on the show,

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but this time all at once,
our expert panel on a tip and to

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the stars. We've got Joe Murghia
also known as UFO. Joe Hey,

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Joe, Hey, hell Hungo,
thanks for having me, my pleasure,

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so happy you guys could all make
it. But we've got also got Mike

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Demante of Punk Rock and UFOs.
Thanks for having me again. It's good

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to finally talk to some of you
guys quote unquote in person. Yeah,

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how cool is that? And then
finally Danny Silva, who runs the Silver

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Record what's good, Aleejandro, thank
you for having me. I'm ready to

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do this all right, We're ready
to rock, So this is gonna be

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fun. I guess the first thing
I want to mention now, I think

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did all of you get to hear
my interview with Lou? I think,

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Mike you said you didn't yet.
No, no, not yet. Cool,

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so we'll be able to give you
some information from it that you are

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not aware of. But of all
the things in the interview, and the

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first thing I'd like to talk to
you guys about that shocked me the most.

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And you know some of us have
even talked about this on Twitter publicly.

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But when I asked him about the
crash retrieval stuff, mainly because I'm

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really skeptical about crash retrievals in the
first place. And of course I've put

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a lot of effort into investigating Roswell
and the others, and you know,

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it's mostly anecdotal information. We don't
have a whole lot there. But then,

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as you all know, Eric Davis
is a proponent that there are crash

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retrieval programs out there, and I
asked him about that a few weeks ago.

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I think you all have talked to
him about that too, some of

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you so. But with Davis,
it doesn't surprise me. I've heard him

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go there. He goes into lots
of really wild areas. But I was

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shocked with Lou. I wanted some
clarification around his statements on news, Fox

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News and other places. And I
kind of had had this idea that it

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was just his personal opinion that there
might be programs out there. But then

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I said, but this is something
you can't prove, right, And he

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said, no, I wouldn't say
that. So to me, means if

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it was if he was hard pressed, if for some reason somebody put the

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screws on him and he had to
out, you know that there is a

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crash project, that he would be
able to provide evidence to prove that there

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is indeed a UFO crash program.
That to me was probably the most shocking

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thing up to the group go ahead. I don't think there's any way that

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the government that isn't holding some of
these pieces, especially with to the stars

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openly talking about the Adam project.
The government definitely has stuff, and the

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question is do they have a whole
craft or large pieces or did they have

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small pieces? But help put off
kind of let the cut out of the

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bag when he said to George Knapp
on Coast to Coast he said a whole

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craft would be highly classified. So
I felt like that was a big hint.

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Mm hmm. What about you?
What do you guys see? I'm

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amazed that, you know, he
didn't just say no comment. I'm not

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prepared to talk about that on Tucker
Carlson because he's he's done that in the

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past plenty of times when when it's
a question he doesn't like he can't answer,

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he'll say, I'm going to defer
and just leave that one alone.

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But on a national news broadcast cable
cast, he's basically telling everybody in the

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world that the government has pieces of
a craft and then Eric Eric Davis,

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alad, what were Eric Davis's exact
words, because he it seemed like he

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even expanded on materials. He said, what was the word he used?

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Davis? Well, I can't remember
in particular, but the gist of what

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he told me when I kind of
was plugging him on this and he went

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into this really long tension about how
he knows this is that it is secondhand

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information. He essentially said, when
you work on so many top secret projects,

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you run across a lot of people
and in the back, you know,

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when you're talking, they begin to
when people begin to trust you,

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they start to share information. So, and why I bring that up is

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so the details are murky and still
a bit you know about what he knows

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are exactly what he's been told.
But yeah, I mean it sounded like

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craft and pieces type of stuff,
actual crashes. Yeah, it definitely sounded

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that way to me. One of
the reasons why for us or you know,

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people are into this suff the kind
of phone on the radar, because

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this is stuff we've been hearing for
years. But it's still interesting to see

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him just kind of drop that comment. You know, Yeah, we've been

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hearing it for years. I think
what. It's just. Hearing it from

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Elizondo is a little different for me
at least because he was actually in the

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Pentagon, and I'm used to over
the years hearing because i mean I've known,

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you know, since Skinwalker. Davis
is a guy who had the weird

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experience at Skinwalker. You're used to
hearing some weird stuff from Davis over the

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years, I guess, is how
I'll put it, even how put off.

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00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.920
I mean, he started doing remote
viewing and everything, so he's been

407
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.759
into some odd topics. But then
to hear that backed up, it's pretty

408
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.880
shocking. To be honest, I'm
still a bit skeptical. You know,

409
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:27.039
what do they I mean, a
crash to me means an aircraft of some

410
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:32.480
sort or some sort of craft actually
crashing and retrieving. I mean, that

411
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.480
would be a lot of material that
would be retrieved. What's crazy about this

412
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:41.319
is that everyone is saying that's across
the board. Diana Pasoka, Jacques Vala,

413
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.400
to the Stars, Eric Davis,
louiell A, Zondo. You know,

414
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.240
even people that don't agree, like
Stephen Greer, I think, would

415
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.680
probably say that. So it's not
just coming from one source, It's coming

416
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:53.839
from everyone, and it is hard
to believe, but once you start hearing

417
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.759
it from everywhere, you know,
I'm pretty certain of that fact. Now

418
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.960
it's go ahead. It's just it
seems like it's a coordinated effort, and

419
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.559
that's conspiratorial. They all got together, but it's like all of a sudden,

420
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.839
within a month or so, it's
like every one of them are saying,

421
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.440
yeah, you know, they're talking
about us having craft, and they

422
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.839
didn't talk about bodies yet, but
I wouldn't be surprised if that's somewhere down

423
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.880
the line. And then you know, it's like, what do you think,

424
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.359
I mean, you think it's just
random. I mean that aleixandle is

425
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.680
bringing us up on Tucker Carlson.
I think so Tucker asked him, and

426
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:36.200
I don't think that it was impressed
him on it. And I don't think

427
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:43.440
that they coordinated questions. I would
doubt that, And that part definitely didn't

428
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.279
sound like it. I mean,
typically those appearances are really hectic, where

429
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.319
you know, they're like, we
gotta get you on. You know,

430
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.200
it's enough just trying to get the
person in the right seat with the camera

431
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:59.319
in front of him, Lettling coordinating
other things. So and I think we

432
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.839
can tell that by some of the
clothes that lou is wearing when he does

433
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:08.319
some of these interviews that he's just
kind of rushing over and getting in front

434
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.519
of the camera. But some of
his outfits, you guys, gotta admit

435
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.640
some people have teased him about it, but they're pretty interesting. I'll wear

436
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.680
it backwards hat every once in a
while. Not, actually I probably won't.

437
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.839
I'm not gonna fault him for it. No, I'm not gonna fault

438
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:28.039
him. It's just funny, yeah, right, not with a suit.

439
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.759
It's it's kind of endearing. And
while we're on this topic, just to

440
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.079
tease the show a little bit,
uh, yeah, there was a scene

441
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.319
that we thought was really funny with
the beginning where he goes to talk to

442
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.920
Kevin Day and he's got that giant
backpack for no apparent reason. I think

443
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:46.200
he planned on maybe possibly sleeping out
in the backyard and I don't know.

444
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.359
That's what I was thinking. Is
he going to camp out in the yard?

445
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.880
I don't know what's going on here, but that was pretty funny.

446
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.079
But sorry, to get back to
the more serious point, crash retrievals.

447
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:02.400
Yes, I think that, but
I personally feel that We've heard this all

448
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.759
over the years. What's new and
why we're hearing a lot of things brought

449
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.960
up again is that now we have
this guy who worked in the Pentagon working

450
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.119
on this stuff, and so now
all of these topics get brought up because

451
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.840
we're kind of throwing the stuff against
the wall. What about this? What

452
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:22.079
about that? What about this?
And to find out what he knows about

453
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.159
some of these things that other people
have shared. It's not too surprising that

454
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.480
he would. To me, I
feel that there's enough evidence that there is

455
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.639
a CRASH project. Now he may
be getting all of his info from Davis,

456
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.480
because we have to remember Lou was
not a UFO guy till two thousand

457
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:46.000
and nine or ten, and when
he got into OSAP Slash a Tip and

458
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:53.440
Bigelow was essentially the main contractor mostly
running stuff by then. So Lou would

459
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:59.920
have them began working very closely with
the Bigelow group essentially you know, Dave

460
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.039
and put Off, so they would
be very influential on you know, what

461
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:12.400
his views would be on this field. I think you guys agree with that,

462
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.159
Yeah, definitely. And you know
Bigelow has the pieces. According to

463
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.559
the New York Times, and they
may not be in Vegas, but there

464
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.199
it sounds like they got them somewhere. And it's just, you know,

465
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.159
like I said earlier, if all
these private people have them, the government

466
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:36.000
definitely does. And so I found
sorry, go ahead, Danny, that's

467
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:40.320
okay. I found the quote where
he did Davis gave to James Ian Dolly.

468
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.960
It said Luis Alexando's brief answer to
Tucker Carlson's question about whether the US

469
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:52.119
government is in possession of recovered crash
and landed UFO technology hardware is one thousand

470
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.639
percent accurate. So those are the
words Davis used. Alexond used those words.

471
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:00.840
So it's going just a little further
UFO technology hardware. So like to

472
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.199
me, I'm thinking maybe it's just
a piece, but that sounds like a

473
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.440
little more than that. And it's
funny with Danny just said about you know,

474
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.400
we talked about the Allys in the
New York Times article, and I

475
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.000
think Leu said, well, the
reporter got that wrong. It wasn't Allys,

476
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:20.599
it was meta materials. But Leslie
Keene was on an NPR show the

477
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.639
other day and that was brought up. The person read the Metal Allies part

478
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.559
and Leslie did not she didn't say, well, we got it wrong.

479
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.119
It's not metal alloyes. She's stuck
with that story, and she's kind of

480
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.920
and she was kind of implying that
that's what it was. And she didn't

481
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.360
back down and say, well,
yeah, it's mad materials. She's stuck

482
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.960
with. She didn't say anything about
that. So I'm kind of curious.

483
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:45.159
Wish she impressed on that point.
She wasn't pressed. She wasn't pressed.

484
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.199
He just read the article and mentioned
metal allies and she said, we stand

485
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.880
by our reporting. M H.
What can't be tough, I've done.

486
00:36:52.039 --> 00:37:00.159
Science reporting is really difficult because you've
got to take these complex scientific concepts and

487
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:06.239
boil them down for the public to
understand. And and sometimes you know,

488
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:12.559
and the scientists want accuracy more than
anything. They don't want it to seem

489
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.480
like they don't even understand their own
programs when other scientists look at it.

490
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.239
And it's hard, and this is
why scientists don't like to talk to the

491
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.880
media. And it sucks because I
think that's why they've got such a bad

492
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:27.000
name right now. But so I
could see how they were trying to But

493
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:34.360
the difference is alloys. That's a
very important scientific difference, uh an alloy,

494
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.400
Yeah, it's gonna and other people
have made this argument, you know,

495
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:42.920
not reflect something unusual, whereas a
meta material or something like that would

496
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.960
possibly. I think it's all the
same terms. Doctor Gary Nolan has been

497
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.000
the forefront of this, and they
called it alloys. And then I think

498
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.519
doctor Nolan, you know, was
saying he coined the term to start calling

499
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:58.760
it meta materials M and now that
started to confuse people. And now doctor

500
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.719
Nolan has said, well, let's
stop calling them meta materials, let's call

501
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:05.320
them ul ultra materials. But it's
all just terms, I think at the

502
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.800
end of the day, and I
think the New York Times was probably describing

503
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:13.519
the same thing, right, Yeah, that's a really good point. Now

504
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:19.480
when we're on the topic of Davis
and put Off, you know, obviously,

505
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.320
and we'll talk about this a little. I don't want to really disparage

506
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:29.280
characters, you know, people too
much personally, but there's of course this

507
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:34.599
group of people who seem hell bent
on taking to the stars down. What's

508
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:39.519
interesting about this is that these people
are people who have been in this field

509
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.519
for so long, they've been wanting
to get information out. Now, when

510
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.840
people get information out, they bash
those people as it's just weird. It

511
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.639
seems like this is what they wanted
but instead of and it would be different

512
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:57.360
if they were being fair, because
I think that's great if you're being fair,

513
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.679
but this isn't fair. And one
of the things that they've hinted at

514
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:07.400
is going at the credibility of Davis
and put Off. And like I've said,

515
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.599
even I sometimes can kind of take
some of the things with a grain

516
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.320
of salt, just because you know, they've been I'm used to them talking

517
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:20.119
about these really weird things. But
these guys are very well established. Like

518
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.559
Davis has said, he's worked on
very many projects with very many different companies

519
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:31.000
that are secret and continues to do
that. He's definitely a respected engineer who's

520
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.119
implanted into that community. He's established
himself. Same with put Off. Put

521
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.840
Off all the way back in the
seventies, started working on government projects.

522
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:47.079
Sure they were weird, including psychic
phenomena. But that psychic program that he

523
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:54.639
worked with the CIA and the Stanford
Research Institute on existed for years and was

524
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:02.360
recreated in different military brand. Uh. And you know, law enforcement was

525
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:08.119
relying on this remote viewing project that
they did, so he obviously is very

526
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:15.679
established as well inside of you know, working even on fringe topics with government

527
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.159
agencies. So these guys are very
well established. I think it's going to

528
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.079
be you might be able to call
some of the things they say and to

529
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.599
doubt, but you're not, i
think, going to be able to completely

530
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:35.360
destroy their their connections and their you
know, relationships inside. I'm sorry,

531
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:37.599
I was gonna I was gonna add
something to that kind of what you were

532
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.480
saying earlier about we're talking about the
you know, the disparancy between like meta

533
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.480
materials and other things that are called. So this is what's happening right now

534
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:52.000
is the detractors are basically nidpicking on
little words and they're just blowing it up.

535
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.840
And I've never seen anything like this
in any other form of study,

536
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.039
especially you know, my experience in
journalism, and like you know, you

537
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.599
see Brian Benner going after these people
on Twitter because he's an actual journalist who

538
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.079
covers national security and politics and I'm
pretty sure, you know, some of

539
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:15.280
those topics have even more, even
more avenues to go down. But yet

540
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.760
he's having to defend these things that
he probably shouldn't even have to be defending,

541
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.679
and a lot of times, you
know, in journalism, which is

542
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.679
kind of a Some people may may
not agree with this, but we rely

543
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:31.320
a lot on official titles, which
is necessarily a bad thing. But these

544
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.280
official official titles, if they're saying
something that's not credible, then they're the

545
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:40.000
ones who have to pay for it
later. But nothing these people have said

546
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:45.480
so far is not credible. So
there, their titles alone led them to

547
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.639
be trustworthy. And the stuff they've
they've been saying, it's been backed up.

548
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.440
So they're gonna find every little thing
to nitpick in twist to try to

549
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.920
fit, try to fit this narrative
that somehow Louill Zondo isn't who he isn't

550
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.559
who he he claims to be,
or whatever other you know, theories that

551
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.000
they're pushing out, or this is
all to push a TV show, which

552
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.519
is the dumbest thing I ever heard. So it's just interesting how they're latching

553
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.400
on to these little words here and
there and they're just blowing them up.

554
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.280
Yeah, to that point, I
think that's why they really focus in on

555
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.760
and pick on me the most,
because I am a bit of the runt

556
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.199
of the litter. I mean,
I have the least credentials, you guys

557
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.840
like go at them face forward more, but you know, head on.

558
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:32.000
But I mean, I don't have
the credentials of a Brian Bender, of

559
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.760
a Leslie Kane, of a George
Nap. But but it's bled over because

560
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.400
I was I was accusing them of
What you're saying is that Leslie's got it

561
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.199
wrong, George has got it wrong. When you're calling into question the quotes

562
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.800
that I'm getting from George and Leslie, then you're calling them into question,

563
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.760
and now it's kind of become more
of a full frontal attack on George and

564
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:59.239
Leslie Kane as well. But yeah, I wanted to hear Joe because you've

565
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:04.679
been you know, deep and heavy
in all of this too. I mean,

566
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.480
the fact that we have Brian Bender
going at these people is amazing.

567
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:15.119
I mean, the guys, the
credibility of political defense writer is just couldn't

568
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:16.920
ask for more to have him involved. And he gets down and he gets

569
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:20.599
down to Louis and goes at these
people. But it's like, yeah,

570
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.119
if you believe you, you have
to discount George Knapp, Leslie, Keene,

571
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:30.800
Ralph Lumandahal Helene cooper Al put off
Eric Davis, all people Harry Reid

572
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.599
who've talked about working with Alessando,
and it's like, so all those people

573
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.400
are a lying and we're supposed to
believe you, And you said it's weird.

574
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.039
Yeah, I don't get it either. I've seen I mean, I've

575
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.679
seen de Bunkers, so that's part
for the course. But when people have

576
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:49.920
spent decades researching UFOs, those are
the people who are going after Alessando and

577
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.360
TTSA and a Tip. I don't
get it. I don't know if it's

578
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:57.719
ego or it's jealousy. I know
Lou touched upon the jealousy and said,

579
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.440
there's no reason to have jealousy.
We're all looking we're all striving for the

580
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.480
same same you know, same thing. We just want to we want to

581
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.320
get the truth. We want to
get this information out, and it just

582
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.440
it's just a it's a drain having
to deal with people within the community.

583
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.920
It's just a waste of time to
tell you the truth. Here's another thing.

584
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.760
People don't realize that these aren't rogue
journalists. They work for organizations that

585
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.320
have to vet and approve of every
source and everyone they talk to first.

586
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:28.840
So the editors have to trust their
sources too, So it's not just Napp

587
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.800
and Keen saying, hey, I'm
gonna do this story. It has to

588
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.719
be approved, the source step be
approved. That's every large every large publication

589
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.840
operates that way, exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's what you know.

590
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.480
I think a lot of people don't
realize that, you know, these aren't

591
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.800
some you know, journalists coming out
of the woodworks and they're doing this on

592
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.800
their own. No, they're getting
approval by their company, and a lot

593
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.960
of times, you know, they're
working for obviously they're working for uh,

594
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.840
you know, a news organization is
also a corporation's corporate interests as well.

595
00:44:55.239 --> 00:45:00.159
So I don't think they would be
risking potential advertising revenue or readership if they

596
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:06.280
didn't think that the story was credible
or that the sources are credible. Right,

597
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:08.440
and for something for a topic like
this, which you know, to

598
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.039
the mainstream, maybe you know,
kind of kind of out there, but

599
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.079
still we've got you know, Kevin
Klory is one of the journalists writing.

600
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.079
Of course, he's kind of been
very anti to the stars, and I

601
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.559
think that Brian Bender has called him
out and I agree, and I think

602
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:29.480
that the problems with his story are
more stark for those of us who are

603
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.360
in journalism because there were some rules
that were broken. I mean, sure

604
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:40.000
he did get an information from the
d D, from the spokesperson that Surewood

605
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.440
said that, you know, lou
didn't have any responsibilities towards a tip that

606
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.440
is a you know, that is
something to write about. That's a piece

607
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.599
of news. You know, he
should be writing an article about that.

608
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.599
But the problem with that article,
if you look at it in an unbiased

609
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:59.760
way, is to say, well, the spokesperson's saying that, However,

610
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.360
we have a lot of credible information
that says the opposite, So what's the

611
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.880
problem here, and writing an article
about that is fine? But he totally

612
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.639
did not include any of all of
this credible information. So he didn't do

613
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:16.599
his due diligence in that article,
which is why to a journalist it's obviously

614
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.679
has a bias. All of this
is what Brian Bender has been calling him

615
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.599
out. So let's look at Brian
Bender. Brian Bender has no loyalty to

616
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:30.159
any of these people. He's talked
about some of his skepticisms and problems with

617
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.119
things, but you're right, he's
working for Politico as a defense editor.

618
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.159
He has a lot on the line. If he says something that is not

619
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.480
that or even if he's perceived as
being biased, he could get in a

620
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.679
lot of trouble and it would hurt
his credibility. So not only that,

621
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:52.119
when Bender is talking, at least
for me and you probably feel the same

622
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:54.320
way, Mike, maybe you guys
others, you sit and you listen because

623
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:59.159
you're learning. You're learning how it's
done. And he made some great points.

624
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.400
You don't go to foya if you're
with Politico. For instance, I

625
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:08.360
contacted Sherwood, I've contacted I've gone
to the media inquiry lines to get ahold

626
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:12.159
of these people. That's where you
go. You go straight, and that's

627
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.000
where they want you to go to
talk to these POA or PAO people.

628
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:21.039
You don't put in a foya.
You put a foya in when all else

629
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.360
fails and you know you're not going
to get anything from it for maybe months

630
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:28.920
or years, so you go direct. That's why you don't see the foyas

631
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.320
So Brian Bender, you're learning.
This is how journalism is done. Leslie

632
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.400
Kane, maybe you can be a
little critical of her because she's written a

633
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.480
UFO book and she's written about UFOs. But the article was in the New

634
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.960
York Times, Like she said,
it was well vetted, and New York

635
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.360
Times is known for vetting their articles. I mean, even Tyler Rogaway said

636
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:51.440
New York Times just got this stuff
handed to him. I don't agree with

637
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.639
that. They did some work.
I've interviewed Leslie several times. I know

638
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.840
and I know her. I know
the work that they did. Who's another

639
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.199
journalist that's been called out, Oh, George Nap. George Knapp. You

640
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.440
can cast some doubt on him because
he's been writing about paranormal stuff for a

641
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.360
long time. But at the same
time, I think that shows that he

642
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:14.280
has even more skills at being credible. Because he's written about all of this

643
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.480
stuff for a long time, he's
walked that gray line, you know,

644
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.559
putting his credibility at risk. But
to this day he has not been called

645
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:29.119
out or has not displayed any overt
biasedness. Instead, he's written great stories

646
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:34.000
that win awards. He's won so
many damn awards it's crazy. So this

647
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:39.599
is obviously someone who's skilled enough to
look at these situations and be a credible,

648
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:45.079
you know, report in a credible
way. So none of these people,

649
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.639
they're all pretty bulletproof, especially when
it comes to the goofy people who

650
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.360
are the detractors. So I mean, like you say, the credibility weighs

651
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:59.039
heavily on the side of these credible
journalists. You know, we jump in

652
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:00.880
a real quick and here's the thing
people don't another people don't realize too,

653
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.719
is that just because you have expertise
does not mean a when's to a bias.

654
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.320
Just because Wesley Kean's written books on
UFOs doesn't mean there's a perceived bias

655
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.039
in her writing the story. If
you look the New York Times story,

656
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.599
I even, you know, I
interviewed Rob Plumitthal. I was, you

657
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.840
know, I was gonna ask about
that quote they have to show balance from

658
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.719
the harbor physicists, which is an
awful quote. They threw that in there

659
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.719
to show balance in the story.
It wasn't just here's what these uh,

660
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.760
these pilots saw. They threw in
a counter quote to kind of, you

661
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.639
know, maintain that balance. And
you know, the story that story came

662
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.840
about because they saw a screener of
to the of unidentified identified the two the

663
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.280
stars and say hey, here's an
advanced green to go to your own work.

664
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.360
They decided to do that on their
own. And what Ralph said to

665
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.039
me was makes sense. There's there's
plenty of room in the paper to do

666
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:51.840
a review or entertainment story on it. Those are totally two, totally different

667
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.679
things. So you know, the
show in this that article was separate.

668
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:57.039
I think a lot of people failed
to realize, you know, they want

669
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.360
to make these connections where it's just
some huge corporate can conspiracy. And you

670
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.440
know, Brian Benner's appearing on television
because political allows him to do you think

671
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.079
he's how much money, if any? Do you think he's he's singing from

672
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:12.119
being on that show. Not a
lot, Yeah, not a lot.

673
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.119
We got to take a quick break
and then we're going to come back and

674
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.960
talk more about these topics. So
I'm with Mike Demante of Punk Rock and

675
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:24.679
UFOs, Joe Murghi of UFO Joe
and uh Danny Silver of the Silver Record,

676
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:51.519
and we'll be right back here listening
to Open Mind GUFO Radio. Welcome

677
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:55.159
back to Open Mind's UFO Radio.
I am your host, Alejandro Rojas,

678
00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:00.400
and I have a superstar and at
least for me, dream Team pan here

679
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:06.480
talking about the unidentified television show and
of course the organization's affiliated with it,

680
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.920
including A Tip and to the stars, a tip being the secretive Pentagon program.

681
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.079
I like to use the term secretive
because it wasn't necessarily classified as secret

682
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.360
or all of it, so it
would I like the term that the media

683
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:24.320
seems to have picked up also as
secretive. But we've got Joe Demante here

684
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.440
of Punk Rock and UFOs, We've
got Joe Murgiott who runs a website UFO

685
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.760
Joe, and we've got Danny Silver
of the Silver Record. So Danny,

686
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.159
we were just talking about, you
know, kind of the detractors and some

687
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:42.880
of the heavy hitters that they're they're
going against and quite frankly looking kind of

688
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.360
shabby against. What is your take
because you've been in there as well?

689
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.559
You know, first off, I
think we just need to keep in mind

690
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.760
that there's so many crazy details and
with all of this stuff with a Tip

691
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.440
and us app and all of us
that have been following it this whole time,

692
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.400
at least since twenty seventeen, you
know, we're still fuzzy on certain

693
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.800
details, and so no one's going
to be right one hundred percent of the

694
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:12.880
time. The only person that's been
there from the beginning. Really that's a

695
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.719
reporter, is George Knapp. So
he's to me, he's the most credible

696
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:24.119
person, you know, so you
can pick apart anything that you know,

697
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.679
the New York Times are even political
says if it's a tiny little detail,

698
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:32.360
but they get the general story right. But then they probably did also make

699
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.719
some errors. But then you look
over at the other side of it,

700
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.320
and these guys are making massive,
huge errors. They're saying it's aviation for

701
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.480
you know, a year and a
half and and doing all these other things.

702
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:49.480
So you know, there's there's errors
going around for everyone. So I

703
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.360
just think that we need to keep
that in mind. Yeah, that's a

704
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.280
great point, and a great point
is I think along those lines. George

705
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.079
Knapp has been here the longest.
I mean, he has sat on a

706
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.760
lot of this information and finally able
to release a lot of information, which

707
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.000
I know he's ecstatic about. You
know, as journalists, that's what we

708
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:13.920
love to do, is share the
information with the public. He has been

709
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:17.760
proven accurate time and time again,
and so as Lou and really from the

710
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:22.840
beginning, even with Lou Alizondo,
he made claims that the DoD countered and

711
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:27.920
you know there's always nuances, and
so I think we kind of all waited

712
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.679
to hear what the DoD would say
or what would come to light. George

713
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:37.960
has been there to verify lots of
LOUTH claims, which over time have also

714
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.800
been verified by the DoD, and
they've had to change their story, which

715
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.840
to those of us who have followed
UFO stories, it's not surprising because we've

716
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.320
seen this over the years. They
had to do this with Stephenville, a

717
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.960
very famous sighting, they had to
do this with the incredible sighting in two

718
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:57.519
thousand and eight at Chicago O'Hare.
So we've seen this over and over again

719
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.960
before, so it's not too surprising. And you know who has taught me

720
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:07.920
the best teacher to show me that
these Public Affairs offices typically get it wrong,

721
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:13.159
and has demonstrated it and just slammed, dunked and in the face of

722
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.079
the PAO offices, has showed they've
been wrong over and over again. John

723
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:21.920
Greenwald of the Black Vault. But
for some reason when it comes to this

724
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.760
story, after years I've interviewed him, you can go back and listen to

725
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:28.679
my podcast with him. We've had
so many over this very topic, and

726
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:30.199
he's like I don't know why they're
lying to me. I don't know why

727
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.880
they're giving me wrong information. But
in this case, he's the guy not

728
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.039
only that is backing the DoD.
Every time they say something. He's like,

729
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.079
oh, they've got it right,
and Lou's got it wrong and he's

730
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:49.000
been wrong every time. But he
also is the guy that the DoD has

731
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.960
been going to first. Why are
they giving John information? They're not giving

732
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.280
it to me. They're not even
giving it to George or others a lot

733
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.519
of the time. Instead, they're
going to John first. In fact,

734
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.920
I knew this. I even said
this. I think on the show,

735
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.159
when the DoD has to change their
story about the Fleer videos that they did

736
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.800
release him, I'll bet they'll release
him to John first, and they'll be

737
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.079
a spin already pre prepared. And
of course they did, and they had

738
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.880
this ridiculous spin that was just I
feel that we blew out of the water

739
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:22.400
in seconds. Yeah. I think
when they get things wrong and I hear

740
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.440
Lou talk about it, it's the
talking about it being a giant, brasy

741
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.119
bureaucracy and it's just one hand not
knowing what the other hand is doing.

742
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:34.920
And I've had Eric Davis tell me
that too. But then you know,

743
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.719
so it's like, you know,
nothing the fary is going on there.

744
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.119
But then you hear what you just
said, and they're purposely going to somebody

745
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.519
who's negative against all this, and
they're going to Greenwald first. It makes

746
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.920
you think that there's more to it
than just bureaucracy, right. Yeah,

747
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:53.000
this kind of goes to I think
there was Tom. I think Tom said

748
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:57.119
this months ago, I think before
the scenon all started, about how there

749
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.599
is this kind of infighting, this
war kind of within the pen gone about

750
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:05.400
this This caun obviously be you know, a concerted effort to try to muddy

751
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.480
the waters is having somebody say,
you know what besides trying to get this

752
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.079
out and it's going to get out, but let's, you know, let's

753
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:15.920
throw a wrench in it. Well. Bender even tweeted, I think yesterday

754
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:22.199
that Lou has more enemies on the
inside than he has allies. And we

755
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.800
know and you know, Lou even
admitted this that to be at because he

756
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.079
doesn't like to talk bad about anybody
on the inside, but that there were

757
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:34.400
people who did not like him coming
forward with all of this information. He

758
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.760
says that a lot of them have
changed their tune now that they've seen it's

759
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:42.360
been positively received by the public,
but that there were a lot that were

760
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.480
upset. And I can see this
from the Public Affairs Department. I can

761
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:50.800
see how they would be like,
hey man, you know you're on our

762
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.840
team and here you are out outing
all of this stuff. We're being totally

763
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:58.800
caught off guard. Now we've got
to answer questions about UFOs and we're not

764
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:00.519
ready for this. You could have
given and as a heads up, but

765
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.840
I think if you see it from
Lou's perspective, if he would have given

766
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.800
them a heads up, they might
have ran to their bosses to try to

767
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:13.159
shut up Lou and that would have
created more problems. So, you know,

768
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.039
in order to get this information out, which is what we've all been

769
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:19.960
striving for for years, it had
to go down this way. The DoD

770
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.639
is not happy about it, but
they've really got a dummy up. They've

771
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:28.639
just got a you know, deal
and quit undermining their own credibility by countering

772
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:34.239
it and then having to correct their
statements later on. That's how I feel.

773
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:38.239
I remember early on LOUI said he
got death threats from people inside the

774
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:43.519
Pentagon, so I mean that's some
people were obviously even more more than just

775
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.840
upset if you're making death threats against
them, right right, So let's get

776
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:53.480
into the show. Last night's show
which episode two of Unidentified. I've read,

777
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.519
at least Joe, some of what
you've written about the episode. I

778
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.519
want to start off with Danny,
if that's all right, what did you

779
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.559
think of the show last night?
Maybe feel for you to get into details

780
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.719
spoiler alert. By the way,
I liked it the first two episodes.

781
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:15.360
They've seemed to be more for people
that aren't up on the on the details

782
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.360
of the story like we are,
so the general public and even just people

783
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:23.960
in the UFO community that aren't up
on the TTSA stuff. My favorite thing,

784
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:28.880
and I wrote a blog about it, was that the A tip hotspot

785
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:32.159
map. I thought that was really
interesting and it was had a lot of

786
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.440
Easter eggs for us to kind of
go back and look at. But other

787
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.960
than that, you know, they're
they're dig get into this cataline the hotspot

788
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:44.960
thing. I also thought it was
interesting that they put out there, you

789
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.800
know that maybe it could be our
tech, or at least they didn't deny

790
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.760
it. Yeah, they showed both
sides of the story, so I thought

791
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.480
that was pretty fair of them.
They made a strong argument, I think

792
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:59.840
by the end, especially that it
could be our tech, which was interesting

793
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:06.159
and fair. But yeah, Joe, what do you think? I agree,

794
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.800
And it's funny with the time because
we know Tyler Rogueway of the Drive

795
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:14.320
has written a couple of articles that
highly suggests that it may be our tech

796
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.239
in two thousand and four, in
the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen incidents, so

797
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:22.000
I took some notes. Bender called
the secret test of our tech a reasonable

798
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:28.360
hypothesis, possible that Alezando didn't know
about it. The female wingman said maybe

799
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.840
they were vectored into a live range
and the object under the water was maybe

800
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:37.039
a sub Alexando said that there were
a tenor arrays connected to government activity that

801
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.360
maybe played a role in the two
thousand and four events, and then he

802
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.960
said, we can't rule out that
we have tech to achieve those hypersonic speeds,

803
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.639
and then Justice said, hypersonic craft
want to travel above five thousand feet.

804
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.239
The tic TAC went down to sea
level, so that was kind of

805
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:55.239
against the hour tech argument. But
then Justice at the end he said that

806
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.800
it's possible it's black budget tech.
But if so, somebody would know that

807
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.639
you're operating near that area where they
were doing the exercise. But if an

808
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.639
admiral was in charge and didn't make
a report, it could be because it

809
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:15.000
was an operational text test. Not
everybody gets to know everything. So I

810
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.360
was I was surprised they went there. I mean, I didn't expect that.

811
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.239
I still think that probably they don't
believe that, and they're just saying

812
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.519
those things to be fair. You
know, you hear some of the interviews

813
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:30.760
and with Chris Mellon and lou and
they really don't seem to believe that angle,

814
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.280
but they did play it up in
the show. And then when Alejandro

815
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:38.960
interviewed la Pey what's his first name, that the Anthony Leapey, he said

816
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:43.559
that he spoke to Justice on and
off the record, which I thought was

817
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.360
interesting, and he said basically,
yeah, the technology that they saw is

818
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:52.079
so much for it's beyond anything that
he worked on as far as propulsion system.

819
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:59.039
So that's the other argument that it's
not ours and Mike, yeah,

820
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:00.639
I was just saying, whether they
believe that or not, it's still pretty

821
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:06.079
I think it's it's good that they
include those those other perspectives in the show,

822
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:10.840
because the show does come across as
a very credible argument to make,

823
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:14.800
you know, regarding the subject.
Like, you know, I talk about

824
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:16.639
the stuff with my friends and my
fiance all the time, but like last

825
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.840
night, she watched the episode with
me and she was glued to the TV

826
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.960
just because like the way it's presented, they do a really good job of

827
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:28.440
presenting this very down the middle.
Obviously their opinions may be different, but

828
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.320
they do try to try to at
least present an alternative argument that I think

829
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:37.840
will keep mainstream viewers interested. You
know, it's not like it's ancient Aliens,

830
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:42.239
where it's you know, mostly one
side of the argument that they are

831
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.519
providing, you know, these alternative
solutions, whether they believe them or not.

832
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:47.880
And I think that's a good thing. You Know. What I was

833
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:54.519
really impressed with with that side of
their investigation is that they covered like there

834
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:59.960
have obviously been people out there doing
the same thing. Tyler rogue Away,

835
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.760
I think it's probably one of the
most skilled because he just writes about defense

836
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.840
for the drive war Zone, and
he, like you said, wrote up

837
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:09.440
that whole thing. He's written a
couple of things. First, about how

838
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:15.159
these radars came in line online in
twenty four and twenty fifteen. I would

839
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.440
argue the technology, of course that
we would have would be vastly different between

840
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.719
two thousand and four and twenty fifteen. That's kind of one issue with that

841
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.199
idea, I think. But he
also brought up how this is a testing

842
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:30.880
zone, the Catalina Island area.
It's a huge oceanic kind of area where

843
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:36.920
there's aerospace on underwater military testing that
goes on, which is a really great

844
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:42.079
point also, which is why you
see those radars and antenor are raised on

845
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:49.800
Catalina. But also that the well
just about all this testing and everything.

846
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.280
But I thought it was great.
Oh the missile the missile tests that they

847
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:59.119
covered as well. But what's cool
is that they on their own doing their

848
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:05.280
own research, which had made the
same discoveries that Tyler Rogaway this season Defense

849
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:09.119
Writer had discovered as well. So
I think it just showed that they did

850
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:13.920
some really good work, which they
should. I mean, with the crew

851
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:21.960
that they have researching what the potential
you know, more mundane answers could be.

852
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:23.559
I think that it showed that they
did a really good job. They

853
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:29.920
answered Roguaway's questions and others which I
doubt Roguaway was expecting, and some of

854
01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.280
these others who thought, man,
I really got a scoop here. I

855
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:35.679
really picked up on something that I'm
sure they didn't. Well, they did

856
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:37.719
pick up on that, and we
saw that. Not to mention, the

857
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:42.039
TV show was probably recorded last year
before a lot of these articles came out

858
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.920
exactly. It reminds me, you
guys probably remember this because we probably all

859
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:51.079
retweeted it when Lou tweeted, you
know, a few images. I think

860
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:52.679
maybe to the Stars did I don't
remember, Lou doesn't have a tweter.

861
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.480
What am I talking about? But
it was probably to the Stars where you

862
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:03.360
know where it showed Tom and him
doing adventures and stuff. This was probably

863
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.719
like a year ago, and now
we know this was part of the show,

864
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:11.119
so you're right, they shot this
stuff a long time ago. A

865
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:14.440
lot of stuff that the MI shooting
was before the show even exists. Some

866
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.320
of the footage in the first episode
was from when Tom took a camera with

867
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:19.840
him to the very first one of
the very first times he went to the

868
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:25.679
White House, which was initially supposed
to be the Secret Machines documentary film.

869
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:31.039
That's a really good point. So
Tyler Rogueaway's article, and this is a

870
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:38.880
tough one. I think that there's
the whole Bigelow side. He really needs

871
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:45.119
to look into the history of Bigelow
and how his investigations and how to the

872
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:49.719
Stars. It's very much a continuation
of like Bigelow's National Institute of Discovery Sciences

873
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:54.960
and BASS, which was, you
know, a partner with a TIP.

874
01:04:55.239 --> 01:05:00.199
We can even see that in the
name BASS is the Bigelow Aerospace Advanced what

875
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:04.599
Weapons or no system space, Yes, space studies, but it's still got

876
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:12.239
that terminology in there that's similar to
a TIP and these other organizations. But

877
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:17.039
you know, it's a lot of
the same players. Halan Davis, for

878
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:23.599
example, Comb Kellahar was one of
the scientists for who still works for Bigelow

879
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:27.960
Aerospace, was with to the Stars, and then you have some new people

880
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.519
that are in there. But Tyler
Rogaway kind of was taking this this angle

881
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.960
and I did address this with Lou
that you know, Tom got a lot

882
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:43.519
of cooperation with the military and that
you know, this all could be like

883
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:46.920
a big propaganda thing for the military
to make them look good, which is

884
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.480
kind of the angle Tom took to
them that in all this UFO stuff,

885
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:54.400
you guys are looking like the villain. That shouldn't be the case. I

886
01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:59.280
want to help change that. However, what Lou said is it's ridiculous to

887
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:03.000
say that we're kind of being pulled
by the nose, but that we are

888
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.440
cooperating, because it would be silly
of us not to cooperate, uh,

889
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:12.960
to work with them, And obviously
the Navy has been very cooperative with coming

890
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.920
up with UFO protocols and then also
allowing these pilots to be on the show.

891
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:20.840
What do you what do you guys
think of that? I'm kind of

892
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:26.639
still digesting it. I think it's
funny that a lot of fans of To

893
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:31.880
the Stars want to believe that To
the Stars is basically another arm of the

894
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.280
government. They want that, and
yeah, the detractor the detractors look at

895
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:40.000
that and they say that's a huge, horrible, bad thing. So it's

896
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:45.960
kind of funny that how everyone looks
to that that particular theory differently. Yeah,

897
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:50.800
and I'm not mister UFO history,
but I was reading up on I

898
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:54.079
found an article in the New York
Times. It was I think it was

899
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.920
it was in the eighties. But
they were talking about Nightcap and Nightcap had

900
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:01.679
a ton of former government people working
with them. And I don't know,

901
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:06.400
Alejandra if you know history, but
were they facing the same criticism as far

902
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:10.840
as people who used to work for
the government working for them, Because to

903
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.679
me, it's like, yeah,
there are people in our government and intelligence

904
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.920
agencies that are interested interested in this
subject. So it's like that's that's I

905
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:23.559
would expect that. So now that
they're interested and they're actually helping push this

906
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:28.320
topic along and and actually we're open
to DeLong helping them get this information out.

907
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:33.760
I my first response is not that
it's some nefarious behind the scenes program

908
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:39.760
where they're trying to trying to push
disinfo disinformation on us. I'm happy they're

909
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:43.800
involved, Like like Danny said,
yeah, TTS folk TTS, people who

910
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:47.719
support tt SA are happy that they're
helping push this story out, whether or

911
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:51.719
not there's disinfo. I have not
seen anything that set my alarm bells off

912
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.800
that said, you know, that's
that's really pushing it. I don't believe

913
01:07:55.800 --> 01:08:00.679
that it's been so basic so far. It's been basically unidentified objects in our

914
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:04.039
airspace. We don't know what they
are. I think you're right in that

915
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:10.519
Nightcap, there's a total difference between
then and now. Back then, everybody

916
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:15.559
was patriotic and it was good to
see the government and military as being good

917
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.520
and helpful and doing positive things,
not like it is now, where it's

918
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:25.039
kind of the trend to see the
government as evil and bad and anything that

919
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:30.600
they're touching has got to be some
sort of nefarious type of thing. So

920
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:35.119
that's the difference now. Nightcap,
even in that environment, was criticized for

921
01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:40.000
that. But even you know,
one of their consultants, who was an

922
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:46.720
Admiral killing Code hilling Cotter, he
even you know, kind of got conspiracuatorial

923
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.399
with the Air Force and was saying, which was accurate, that the Air

924
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:55.199
Force was spinning this when they actually
take it more seriously. But then as

925
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:57.960
time went on, you know,
hilling Cootter left the group, and then

926
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.720
people started saying he was part of
the combarracing, He's part of MJ twelve.

927
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:04.039
So they dealt with that. They
did have that, but not to

928
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:09.319
the degree that you would now.
So it's really interesting and strange, Yead

929
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:13.840
to see how people are handling this, I think, and I think Bender

930
01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:17.920
has talked along these lines at least
to me, what Lou expressed seems accurate.

931
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:23.279
They and you can see this through
the history of Big Low Aerospace and

932
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:28.079
the different groups they have been pushing
to research this topic and to make it

933
01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:32.960
more credible throughout the years, trying
to work with inside organizations, and that

934
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:39.640
now they've just got more of that
going on than ever before, mostly because

935
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:45.239
of you know, connections that Melon
and Justice and Lou have that they definitely

936
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:49.800
want to work with their partners on
the inside. That doesn't mean that I

937
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.680
think they're driving the narrative. I
think to the Stars is driving the narrative

938
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:59.760
because you guys follow this very closely, and that's what it appears to be.

939
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:02.720
That's what we see is to the
stars looking at something, not being

940
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:06.520
told to look somewhere. But you
know, they're the ones prodding. I

941
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:11.640
don't think the government wants us to
look at crash retrieval projects or any of

942
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:16.359
this sort of thing, and the
DoD Public Affairs Office is obviously not happy

943
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.239
about all of this. What do
you think, Joe, all right,

944
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:27.319
Yeah, yeah, I don't know
if they're thrilled about I would think they're

945
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:31.760
not thrilled about crash retrieval programs,
assuming that assuming they even know about that

946
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:35.479
stuff. It's not so black budget
they don't even know. But as far

947
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.239
as you know, I said,
I don't think there's anything controver as far

948
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:45.439
as conspiratorial or something related to this
information. But when DeLong talks about some

949
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:48.560
of the stuff he was told,
you know, it's so fear based some

950
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:53.399
of it early on, when he
would talk about that stuff. Maybe they're

951
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:58.199
putting out that story because Kit Green
has spoken about how the way they get

952
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:02.119
information out is they tell this really
outland this scary story, and it gets

953
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:06.239
people all frightened. But then when
the truth comes out, it's something a

954
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:11.479
lot less proseeic. It's not prosic, but it's a lot less scarier,

955
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.880
and it's people like, oh,
that's the truth. Okay, the other

956
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:16.319
story was really scary. I can
handle this. So it's kind of like

957
01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:19.560
the technique they use. And I
don't know if that's what went on with

958
01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:23.079
DeLong, but I don't know what
you guys think, But some of the

959
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:28.640
stuff he talked about was almost all
fear based. Yeah, And I wasn't

960
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.439
a fan of that, the whole
threat narrative, but I could see why

961
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:34.720
they'd use that threat narrative to get
other people in the government to get their

962
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:41.880
attention, because it goes beyond just
you know UFOs. Then then it becomes

963
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:44.159
it there's something you know, like
they've said, for there's something you're a

964
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:45.800
Scott. We don't know what it
is and we can't control it. So

965
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:48.520
I guess by that definition, yes
it is a threat. But as long

966
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:53.039
as you're not pushing the whole evil
alien agenda, I'm fine with it.

967
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.079
No, I agree, I agree. I have no problem with the threat

968
01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:59.000
because I know they have to use
that to get funding and get the interest

969
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:01.560
of certain people in kind. But
as long as as long as some of

970
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.880
that scary stuff isn't brought up again, because DeLong doesn't talk about it anymore

971
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:10.159
and it hasn't been brought up by
anybody else into the stars. So I'm

972
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:12.520
good as long as they don't bring
that up again. Course, of course,

973
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:14.800
maybe that's the truth. I don't
know. I don't know really what.

974
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:16.880
We don't know what's going on.
We don't know what's going on behind

975
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:19.720
with the phenomena. I mean,
who knows. Maybe there is a really

976
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:23.680
negative aspect to this. We all, I mean, we've all talked about

977
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:26.880
it, we've all considered it.
I kind of you know, I just

978
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.439
sit here and I listened to those
guys that I feel like they really know

979
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:33.119
what they're talking about. Eric Davis
also, you know, mentioned that I

980
01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:39.239
think recently to you, Alejandro,
that you know, nothing good has came

981
01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:43.760
out of this. Then there is
you know, a whole series of people

982
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:47.359
that say it's it's totally positive.
But I just kind of sit out on

983
01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:49.880
that one. And then I just
listened to To the Stars and all these

984
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:53.520
other people, and if Leu and
Tom are saying it, then I just

985
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.880
figure they know what they're talking about, you know, and and there's something

986
01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:00.600
to the nature of what they're sharing. So, for ample, the majority

987
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:08.159
of To the Stars is sharing what
they're finding in their research and investigation.

988
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:14.239
So people like Lou Chris Mell and
Steve Justice are more careful, how put

989
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:17.960
Off who barely ever talks publicly,
They're more careful about what they're saying.

990
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:26.039
However, others like Davis Davis is
getting uh he's willing to share rumors,

991
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:30.880
which is fair. You know,
he's an educated person. He's capable of

992
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:35.439
sharing what is more credible and it
and I think we should pay attention to

993
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:40.479
what Davis has said, and then
you've got Tom, and Tom is not

994
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:46.359
only sharing rumors, he's sharing his
personal opinions and his own assumptions or skeptics

995
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:50.359
or you know, kind of his
what he thinks is going on by putting

996
01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:57.840
his connecting his own dots, so
it's less based on research. But that

997
01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:04.560
also I think makes Tom more sceptible
to putting forth messages are that he's given

998
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:10.640
to put forth, so he would
be more susceptible to possibly putting out information

999
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:15.479
that you know, insiders may want
out. So that's kind of one thing

1000
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:18.520
that he's got to be careful with
too. But that means, of all

1001
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:23.079
the people, you got to take
his information with a little more grain of

1002
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:29.319
salt because it's also his interpretation of
what things are going on and what role

1003
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.520
they want him to play. I
think one indication where he may have gotten

1004
01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:40.800
it wrong was in those Wiki leaks
when John Podesta that had arranged that meeting

1005
01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:45.000
and it was mcaslyn I believe who. You saw this email from Tom right

1006
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.840
after their meeting that said, hey, mccaslyn was saying he was skeptical in

1007
01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:53.159
that meeting, but he's not as
skeptical, as he alluded to. So

1008
01:14:53.800 --> 01:15:00.279
that just shows that maybe Tom misinterpreted
some of what mcchaslyn had told him earlier,

1009
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:03.960
or maybe even went too far and
sharing more than mcaslyn wanted to share.

1010
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:10.600
But the point being that there's levels
of credibility or with all of the

1011
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.000
sourcing of this information, and people
change their mind over time. Yeah,

1012
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.159
that's a really good point too.
And we don't know some of these guys,

1013
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:24.399
you know, generals and otherwise they
have opinions too that aren't necessarily based

1014
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:29.720
in what they know, but what
they believe to be true. So that's

1015
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:31.239
the other side. But I think
you all have great points. And one

1016
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.520
great point that you all make is
when people talk about this narrative, they're

1017
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:43.439
pushing a negative narrative that fits their
agenda. Is that Davis has been around

1018
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:46.399
for a long time. So if
he's sharing that he believes that there's this

1019
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:51.520
isn't good, that he believes there's
aliens in his findings are that they're not

1020
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:57.800
nice, then then you know this
is based off of years and years of

1021
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.279
gathering information. So but like you
said, who knows what the truth is

1022
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:06.239
and you know what we have coming
up and let's talk about this next is

1023
01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:11.640
these uh, you know, negative
experiences that happened in Brazil that I think

1024
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:15.760
they're going to cover in the show. No, I didn't know. I

1025
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.960
didn't know that either. I'm looking
forward to that then big time because I

1026
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:25.159
think Kolaris is one of the most
amazing Can you summarize it kind of and

1027
01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:30.840
I don't know if I can.
I'll try though, basically over what was

1028
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.640
it like a month or something like
that. I'll probably get some facts wrong

1029
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:43.560
here, and basically UFOs is kept
coming, uh and visiting various areas of

1030
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:48.159
Brazil. It wasn't just Clari's Island. Vallet was the main investigator on this.

1031
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:54.800
After the fact, it happened so
much that the Brazilian military was called

1032
01:16:54.840 --> 01:17:00.319
in. Also the a lot of
journalists were called in. What I find

1033
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:05.399
really interesting is how Pudoff and other
people keep bringing it up. Putoff says

1034
01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:11.520
that, you know, I think
there was like fourteen or sixteen hours of

1035
01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:17.319
footage, there's data, there's everything. Various people have also investigated it.

1036
01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:21.000
I've been I've been doing a deep
dive on this. I'm actually and I'm

1037
01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:27.159
planning to come out with a blog
about it. But there's also you know,

1038
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:34.000
facts basically that say that Bass and
Bigelow later on went and investigated it

1039
01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:40.399
and kind of took it on a
different angle. Also, one thing that

1040
01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:45.000
seems to legit happen was people died, maybe like ten or twelve. People

1041
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.560
were getting shot with beams of light. Just the craziest things that you'll ever

1042
01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:54.640
hear. I have no idea why
there hasn't been some big movie about it.

1043
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:57.359
It seems like it could be something
like a really huge blockbuster. But

1044
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:00.600
I don't know if this is a
something they're trying to put out there more.

1045
01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.279
But yeah, I didn't know Unidentified
was going to cover that, So

1046
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:08.279
I'm pretty excited about that. I
don't know it for one hundred percent,

1047
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:11.520
but I'm pretty sure. But yeah, go ahead. Did you others want

1048
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:16.159
to add to that? Nope,
He's got it. You know. It's

1049
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:20.119
like, it's just weird that that
kind of stuff's happened in Brazil and we

1050
01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:25.960
don't have anything really close to that
here. I mean, we have we

1051
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.720
have people, you know, cast
Landrun, but that was you know,

1052
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:30.640
that seemed like a side effect,
like you know, from the from the

1053
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:35.039
technology did seemed like it was an
overt attack like in Brazil. But so

1054
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:40.479
I mean, if they're going to
cover that negative case, that kind of

1055
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:42.800
stuff, they should try to.
I don't know if they're going to cover

1056
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:45.399
anything positive because there are people that
claim. First of all, you got

1057
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.159
the abductees and the free report,
which is almost all positive experiences, and

1058
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:51.960
then you have then you have people
saying that they were healed with their UFO

1059
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:56.239
encounters, people healed of cancer that
pets, you know, on the brink

1060
01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:59.399
of death coming back. So it's
like there's positive stuff too. I don't

1061
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:02.960
know if it is unidentified just going
to focus on the negative aspect of this.

1062
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:11.560
I've been told that there was other
similar incidents to Kolari's around the world

1063
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:15.319
and we just don't know about them. So I find that pretty interesting.

1064
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:20.000
Well, we know they're going to
cover Rendal Sham, and I did ask

1065
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:23.920
Lou about that, and I even, you know, added that, hey,

1066
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:26.920
you know in the New York Times
it said you were testing looking at

1067
01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:30.239
people who had physical effects from encounters. Is that the aspect you're you're going

1068
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:34.199
to cover in Rendal Sham And he
kind of sidestepped it and said, you're

1069
01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:39.039
gonna have to wait to see in
the episode, but he didn't deny it

1070
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:41.680
to me. I think they are
going to go there with Rendel Sham,

1071
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:46.920
and of course the guys there feel
they had negative effects from their encounters with

1072
01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:51.000
uh, these objects. I don't
know if they'll even go into you know,

1073
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:59.399
Burrows fighting for VA medical benefits related
to this encounter and heart issues he's

1074
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:03.800
had that he leaves stem from this
issue, something that was speculated in a

1075
01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:13.000
UK document called the Condine Report that
he felt was helped him get his VA

1076
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:16.279
funding. But there were weird things
that happened to his medical and his service

1077
01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:21.600
records that he had to get help
from the Office of John McCain to correct,

1078
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:26.520
and finally he did get his VA
benefits. I've got interviews with him

1079
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:30.239
and his lawyer on this when that
happened, but that may be the angle

1080
01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:34.119
they cover. We'll have to see. But what's interesting is, you know,

1081
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.880
Danny, you've written about this.
I think we've all kind of kept

1082
01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:42.439
an eye on this. Is this
whole project that's gone on where at least

1083
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:46.159
Gary Nolan is out of Stamford.
It's kind of looking at people who have

1084
01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:50.560
paranormal experiences to determine why is there
something in their DNA or their brain or

1085
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:55.560
what's going on here. And Eric
Davis even admitted he was one of their

1086
01:20:55.560 --> 01:21:00.439
guinea pigs and he gave him samples. It's amazing work. Kick Green is

1087
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:04.239
involved. I don't pretend to understand
it all. It's kind of hard for

1088
01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:10.960
me to talk about it, but
you know, they that was put out

1089
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:15.920
there for a reason, and I
think it's really important and now that it's

1090
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:18.279
out there in the public realm,
people can build on it. I think

1091
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:23.279
Elejandre, you sold yourself a little
short, because lou actually did kind of

1092
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:27.279
give you a good answer. He
said, you'll see quote a comprehensive picture

1093
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.600
of the effects on our men and
women women in uniform that this that this

1094
01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:36.119
phenomenon has that may include even medical
effects. So I'm really looking forward to

1095
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:40.960
seeing who they spoke to about that, if it's not just Burrows. To

1096
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:45.359
the clearest thing, how put Off
told George Knapp last year on Coast to

1097
01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:48.880
Coast that to the Stars was going
to be trying to get some of this

1098
01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:54.640
video and data and put it out
And I actually asked him about it and

1099
01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:58.479
he told me everything that they're doing
with that right now is going to be

1100
01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.960
in the show. That's probably where
I got it. I remember seeing them.

1101
01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:08.319
But however, though I wasn't I
wasn't sure if he meant that everything

1102
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:11.359
with Cholaris would be in the show
or just everything all the information they're trying

1103
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:14.479
to put out was going to be
in the show and not including Clariss.

1104
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:18.880
So I have no idea. But
you've got a great point. So is

1105
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:23.640
it is that the aspect they're going
to cover rndal Schman, maybe they may

1106
01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:27.319
be even covered Day because Day,
of course, it's that he feels he's

1107
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:31.680
had some emotional effects from the whole
encounter. Uh, you know, Fraverer.

1108
01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:35.239
Unfortunately an organ made fun of that
a bit. It seems that's why

1109
01:22:35.239 --> 01:22:41.159
I wanted lou to go on the
record saying that he backs Day and yeah,

1110
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:43.159
we wanted to get into that.
So we'll get into that now,

1111
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:46.920
I guess. But that and you
know, that's genuine. I think that

1112
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:53.000
it looks bad for Fravor to make
fun of, especially any military guys affecting

1113
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:58.960
PTSD. I mean, my degree
was in industrial and psychology, uh and

1114
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.520
and it covers those sort of things. But there could be a number of

1115
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:06.920
reasons. You don't even have to
have the experience personally to experience PTSD from

1116
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:14.920
it, so, but an experience
where your your job is to look and

1117
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:19.880
understand what all the aircraft are in
your arena, and you know your hyper

1118
01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:23.960
sensitive to that, as Day seems
to be. I think that was reflected

1119
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:27.760
in the show last night. Kevin
Day was part of it. You know,

1120
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:31.680
that would be shocking if you see
this crazy stuff going on on your

1121
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:35.239
radar screens and then you you know, send some jets in. Which is

1122
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:41.680
interesting too that Fravor in the show
did admit that the Princeton did you know,

1123
01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:45.159
zero them in or at least send
them to go look at the tic

1124
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:49.920
TAC and and I could see how
someone would be affected that. You know,

1125
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:55.079
you nobody knows what this is,
and you've got this giant secret that

1126
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:59.479
there's these crazy things flying around and
you know you can't talk to anybody or

1127
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:04.119
nobody takes seriously. That would be
world changing. Well that makes me wonder

1128
01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:08.319
if Fraverer is aware of some of
the stuff, like Kevin Day has said,

1129
01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:11.760
outside of the emotional aspect of it. When I did my interview with

1130
01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:15.520
him, he kind of alluded to
heightened senses of abilities, which was kind

1131
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:20.680
of weird considering he wasn't you know, abducted or or you know what I

1132
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:25.319
mean, it is a quote unquote
experiencer, so it'd be it's kind of

1133
01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:30.800
weird that Kevin has these claims of
you know, without having you know,

1134
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:33.079
these experiences that others have to kind
of have some of the same reaction.

1135
01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:35.720
And I'm not discrediting you know,
what he said at all, because I

1136
01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:41.560
you know, I really appreciate him
coming forward. So if Frever knows fravor

1137
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:44.800
knows anything about that, or is
you know, you know, just kind

1138
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:47.279
of making comments on you know,
like you said, like the PTSD thing,

1139
01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:50.119
which would be kind of a really
bad look. I think it was

1140
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:54.039
a really bad look. It was
the worst when I was when I was

1141
01:24:54.079 --> 01:24:56.920
listening to that, I was so
mad that he was doing that because I

1142
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:01.039
met I met all the guys that
Mega con and Kevin's a great guy.

1143
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:02.720
You know. I don't know what
happened to him. I don't know what

1144
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:06.760
he's going through, but to just
even bring up PTSD at all, it

1145
01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:10.239
was just like you said, it's
such a bad look. Why even go

1146
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:13.760
there? Just don't even talk about
it. And the other thing is like

1147
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:17.560
you know we have we have Pjaus
who said his data bricks were confiscated.

1148
01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:20.279
I totally, one hundred percent believe
him. He said there's other witnesses.

1149
01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:26.000
He mentioned Roger who actually had to
sign NDA's and then Jason Turner to me

1150
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:30.199
is a really important witness. He
claims there was a seven to ten minute

1151
01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:32.359
video of the tic TAC and he
says there are other people in the room

1152
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:35.439
that saw it, and he's not
going to name them because he wants to

1153
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:38.760
leave it up to them obviously,
if they don't want to come forward,

1154
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:42.199
if that's true, I mean,
that's that's a huge thing. I mean,

1155
01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:44.199
and I know Fraber said, nope, this is it. This is

1156
01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:47.680
the only video. So hopefully in
the future we see more witnesses. But

1157
01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:51.880
but you know, they need to
feel comfortable coming forward. What won't help

1158
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:58.239
that is somebody like Fraver is saying
making you know, poking fun at PTSD

1159
01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.439
and basically he's basically calling these guys
liars. And that's if I'm a witness,

1160
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:04.119
I'm like, you know what,
and I see that I'm not coming

1161
01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:06.159
forward. I don't I don't need
that in my life. I don't need

1162
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:09.880
to be called a liar, So
I'm just gonna shut up. That's a

1163
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:14.239
great point. And one of the
things I'm looking back actually right now in

1164
01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:16.920
my interview at Day and one of
the things that he's it was all of

1165
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:20.560
a sudden privy to is the idea
of human post effects. And his quote

1166
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:24.800
he said to me, was concerning
human post effects and on what might happen

1167
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:28.159
when seven billion people are suddenly smarter, more present, or able to heal

1168
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.560
and can manifest things. So it's
pretty interesting with someone with no prior knowledge

1169
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:34.680
to this, you know, has
a sighting and is able to kind of

1170
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:39.279
read up on it to kind of, you know, learn about just the

1171
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:42.439
you know, besides that the nuts
and bolts of the UFO siding. So

1172
01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:45.439
I commend Kevin for that about,
you know, kind of reading up on

1173
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.399
Jackson Lay and Eric Davis and all
this, you know, because he knows

1174
01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:53.079
the stuff. Yeah, yeah,
And I mean what happens over time is

1175
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:57.840
memory does change. Our memory is
certainly very fallible, especially you know,

1176
01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:02.479
even after something happened, and you
know, the longer time goes exponentially,

1177
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:08.119
we begin to forget and even get
false memories. Our memory is malleable where

1178
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:11.840
it can be influenced by things that
we hear late later on. And that's

1179
01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:16.119
why I'm really careful with witnesses,
because you know, it's just hard,

1180
01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:20.600
especially something that happened fifteen years ago, that you're going to remember all the

1181
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:26.960
details accurately, and you could innocently
be remembering things wrong. There's been so

1182
01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:33.199
many studies around this, so we
don't know what influences have happened that maybe,

1183
01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:39.720
or things that are being you know, connected to that experience that actually

1184
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:43.560
aren't connected to that experience. So
we don't know. But I think that

1185
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:46.319
for me that Lou put it really
well when he answered my question. He

1186
01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:49.479
said, Frav knows what he knows. They knows what he knows. You

1187
01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:54.239
know, they were in two different
places, so even you know. When

1188
01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:57.479
I first asked Lou about this,
he said, I don't ask them what

1189
01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:00.760
they know about things they don't directly
experience. I don't care. All I

1190
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.920
want to know is what did you
deal with? What did you see?

1191
01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:09.600
What is your first hand experience?
Which I thought was a great response because

1192
01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:13.039
that makes sense. I mean,
that's where they would be the authority on

1193
01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.960
their first hand experiences, not what
someone else is doing. And you hear

1194
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:19.600
Lou often saying I don't know.
I wasn't there, ask him, ask

1195
01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:21.920
them, you know, I don't
know. Why are you asking me what

1196
01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:27.760
someone else did? So that makes
a lot of sense. And in this

1197
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:33.079
case, you know, Day has
his first hand experience and Fraver has his,

1198
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:40.880
but the other witnesses, Yeah,
this whole what we saw on the

1199
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:45.319
show last night, this tic tac
or this object that went under the water

1200
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:55.880
and then traveled at these incredible speeds. That was kind of a holy Coca

1201
01:28:56.000 --> 01:29:00.800
moment. I feel probably for a
lot of people in this show, and

1202
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.039
it's funny. Uh. Jeremy Corbell
interviewed a witness who was who says he

1203
01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:11.479
was there Trevor, and he basically
said it went under the water. So

1204
01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:14.119
it's not it's not just one person. It's not just Gary Vore. He's

1205
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:15.119
saying that I know he heard it. He said he heard it from a

1206
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:21.600
sonar tech and that's saying witness said
he saw a different type of video where

1207
01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:26.720
it was actually UFO shaped like flying
saucers. So I don't know. Maybe

1208
01:29:26.800 --> 01:29:30.079
hopefully we'll here, we'll hear from
Trevor one day, maybe he'll be in

1209
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.239
the show because Jeremy Corbell alluded to. He didn't say that, he said,

1210
01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:36.039
just pay attention. He brought it
up again. Just remember what this

1211
01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:40.359
person said. I don't know if
it was in reference to what Gary vore

1212
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:45.159
he's found out about as far as
underwater, the sonarch contact, or if

1213
01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:47.479
Trevor is going to be on the
show. Yeah, they might be.

1214
01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:49.840
I don't think he is. I
don't think Trevor is on the show,

1215
01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:54.079
but I could be remembering wrong.
I did want to say that, you

1216
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:57.880
know, Lou has kind of stuck
to the facts as far as Kevin Day's

1217
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:01.359
experience. You guys may know better
than me for off the record comments,

1218
01:30:01.399 --> 01:30:08.840
but he hasn't spoken about that.
I've heard about anything that happened after the

1219
01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:13.840
the Kniamts encounters to the guys personally. I also thought it was really interesting

1220
01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:18.720
that they included Gary Voorhi's story about
how the the date it was taken.

1221
01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:23.000
You know, that's been that's been
denied by some other people, but they

1222
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:26.279
put it in. They put it
in the show. One other thing I

1223
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:28.960
can clear up a little bit is, uh, you know, George NAP's

1224
01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:32.920
gotten a little bit of flack because
he was the one interviewing Fraveror, and

1225
01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:36.439
he made that comment that you know
the stories of BS. I can tell

1226
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:42.159
you that that isn't George Knap's opinion. He was reporting and it sounds kind

1227
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.279
of sounds like it when you listen
to it, but uh, he was

1228
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:49.600
reporting what Fravor was saying. So
it was more of a quote of Fravor

1229
01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:53.960
and George Knapp was, you know, basically just being a journalist and trying

1230
01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:57.880
to get him to comment on what
he was saying. There's some insight there

1231
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:01.520
too, because the way Joe asked
the question, and I know this got

1232
01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:04.319
some people upset. Joe, you
got upset. I think I told you

1233
01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:09.479
because I was there, and you
know, immediately I go up there and

1234
01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:12.680
George is all excited and we're like
little schoolgirls. He's like, did you

1235
01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:14.760
hear that? Did you hear that? And we were talking about all the

1236
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:18.039
stuff that he talked about and the
questions and even more that Fraver had told

1237
01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:23.239
them offline. But so we were
all excited about it and you know,

1238
01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:27.000
geeking out on all of this.
But he did something it's kind of like

1239
01:31:27.079 --> 01:31:30.359
I can't remember the name, it's
it's kind of like mirroring. So in

1240
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:35.760
other words, where you portray the
sentiment of the person you're interviewing so that

1241
01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:42.840
you are trying to get them there
again. So essentially, frav at some

1242
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:47.279
point expressed to George in the way
that George was expressing to him what he

1243
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:51.319
had felt about the other witnesses,
and George was trying to get him back

1244
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:57.720
there to express, you know,
honestly in front of this crowd, what

1245
01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:01.239
he had expressed to George earlier.
So George is asking the question in the

1246
01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:05.760
manner those answers were given him to
try to elicit that same, you know,

1247
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:11.359
kind of response from Fravr, which
it did. I don't know,

1248
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.279
you know, in a way.
I'm not sure it was completely fair,

1249
01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:19.439
but to be honest, because it
would have been fair to challenge Fraverr on

1250
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:25.119
the spot there. I think that
would have been fair for the other witnesses

1251
01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:28.479
if someone would have done that.
But and that didn't happen. They kind

1252
01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:31.079
of moved on to other topics because
there was so much more to talk about.

1253
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:39.600
But the one the primary witness that, of course Jeremy and George have

1254
01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:45.399
talked to is Fravor. So a
lot of what they are collecting or seeing

1255
01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:48.760
is kind of influenced by Fraverr's input, you know what I mean? All

1256
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.520
right? I know, and you
know, I don't think either one of

1257
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:56.880
them spoke with any of the four
witnesses at MEGACNS. So yeah, their

1258
01:32:56.880 --> 01:33:00.079
only witness that they've spoken to I
believe is Fravor and Jeremy spoken to some

1259
01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:04.800
other people. But I understand that's
what George's intention was. But that's to

1260
01:33:04.840 --> 01:33:08.039
me, that's not how it came
across. So I said, you know

1261
01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:10.600
what, maybe it's just me.
So I took it and I played it

1262
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:14.319
for a friend and she's like,
no, that's not that's not how it

1263
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:16.600
sounds. It sounds like he's calling
it bullshit and b yes, sorry,

1264
01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:20.880
but you know, you know,
I tru George's got the track word,

1265
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:25.680
so I believe that wasn't his intention. But yeah, it would have been

1266
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:28.439
nice. I would love to have
those guys, I think would love to

1267
01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:30.880
meet with Fraber and talk about it, and I'd love to be able to

1268
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:32.920
see if they can, you know, hash it out and talk about stuff

1269
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.479
because he wasn't obviously wasn't on the
Prince and he couldn't he couldn't be everywhere

1270
01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:40.039
at the same time. I know
he thinks that a lot of stuff would

1271
01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:43.399
have come to him, But as
pj U said, there's some stuff that

1272
01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:45.880
he knew that there's no there's no
way Fraber would know about it unless he

1273
01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:48.760
was read into something. It was
so classified, like the data bricks,

1274
01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:53.279
they were very classified, and unless
Fraber had a need to know, he

1275
01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:56.840
wouldn't know about that. Mm hmm. And just for the record, you

1276
01:33:56.880 --> 01:34:00.960
know, George has he interviewed Kevin
Day on Costa Coast. He promoted Dave

1277
01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:02.760
Baby the name it's encounters on Coast
to Coast, So I just wanted to

1278
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:06.199
mention that too. Yeah, yeah, and you know, George is human

1279
01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:13.359
and he's gathering information just like we
are, and it's helpful that people are

1280
01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:17.479
grabbing information from other angles. But
yeah, because I had talked him about

1281
01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:24.239
this, and I know afterwards others
had talked to him about this too,

1282
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:29.760
so he got more education, I
think afterwards on all of this as well.

1283
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.119
So who knows what he thinks now
he may think. I'm sure he

1284
01:34:31.159 --> 01:34:35.560
does think something totally different because we're
all learning as we go here, so

1285
01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:40.680
we've gone quite a bit over But
I want to give you all a chance

1286
01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:44.520
to talk about any other items you
want to talk about. So why don't

1287
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:49.159
we go around and maybe let's start
with Joe, is there something else you

1288
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:56.840
want to bring up that to the
group. Let's see. I would love

1289
01:34:57.079 --> 01:35:04.199
I really was amazed that when Christopher
Mellon was on Fox Radio he brought some

1290
01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:08.439
of the guy brought up the guy
brought up Area fifty one. The interviewer

1291
01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:13.399
and Mellan talked about how there's eight
members of Congress stipulated by law. It's

1292
01:35:13.640 --> 01:35:15.520
Section one nineteen of Title ten,
and no, Danny, I have not

1293
01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:17.840
looked it up yet. I would
love to. I actually want to read

1294
01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:23.439
that. But he said, if
they ask a question about even the most

1295
01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:27.720
secret of SAP programs, they're entitled
to a straight answer from the Department of

1296
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:30.119
Defense. But then he says,
he says, yeah, they're entitled to

1297
01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:34.560
a straight answer in theory, and
I just thought it was like he's bringing

1298
01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:38.800
up in theory. He put that
in there, and it's like, yeah,

1299
01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:41.399
they should be able to get information, but I don't think that's the

1300
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:44.079
way it works on some of these
programs. And that's when I thought about

1301
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:48.399
some of the SAP crash retrieval bodies
programs. Yeah, you know that Greer

1302
01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:53.039
has talked about, Mitchell's talked about
and that the Eric Davis Lee It's mentioned

1303
01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:59.239
with Admiral Wilson that even Admiral Wilson
couldn't get this information. So it kind

1304
01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:01.039
of like, to me, I
thought, I thought that, and I

1305
01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:05.560
know I'm just I'm extrapulating here,
I'm speculating, and that's what Melan was

1306
01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:10.039
getting at. But he seemed to
have it ready that he was talking about

1307
01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:13.920
Section one nineteen and the most secretive
sensitive SEPs. I don't know what you

1308
01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:15.720
guys think, but to me,
that was that was really interesting, one

1309
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:19.159
of the most interesting aspects of this
past week, which was an amazing week

1310
01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:24.600
for us. It was crazy.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Danny Yay.

1311
01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:27.479
I was just saying this. It's
I agree, it's crazy. It was

1312
01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:31.600
really crazy. It was a historic
comment. Really yeah. Well I'll add

1313
01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:34.439
to that, and that's what I
this will be my talking point. What

1314
01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:38.920
I want to end with. I
think it's interesting too to see going forward,

1315
01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:43.640
which current senators are gonna you know, you know, we're gonna see

1316
01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:45.560
who are the ones who are read
in or even with the upcoming elections,

1317
01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:50.039
just to see who's interested in this
topic besides Andrew Yang obviously, but just

1318
01:36:50.039 --> 01:36:54.039
to see some of the incoming incoming
freshman members of the House, just to

1319
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:57.359
see how much stay know and what
their interest is, because I think,

1320
01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.039
you know, even though this is
the start, you know, conversations and

1321
01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:03.840
potentially could lead congressional hearings and people
being read in. I think this is

1322
01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:06.600
the start of it. But at
the same time, I think it's not

1323
01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:11.319
going to be a priority going into
twenty twenty. But I think it's a

1324
01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:14.920
start, which is still good.
You know. I was going to say,

1325
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:18.000
and and Danny's kind of written some
stuff down this route. I know

1326
01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:23.880
is that two things that Chris Mellan
I think he knew it so well because

1327
01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:28.439
that was part of his job when
he was doing this stuff in the White

1328
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:30.920
House. So I think it probably
would have even been his job. Hey,

1329
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:33.840
we want to know this, go
find it out. So what Chris

1330
01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:38.880
Mellon knows is people may or may
not share it with them, And if

1331
01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:44.479
they have some inkling of a notion
that something's going on that's not being shared

1332
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:45.960
with him, that means they're going
to have to go to battle and say

1333
01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:49.720
no, we want this information and
then fight the fight to get it and

1334
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:54.119
maybe not get it. Who knows, you know, how these battles might

1335
01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:57.640
go on in the background, but
that yeah, like he says they should

1336
01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:00.880
share it, but who knows if
they will. We might have to go

1337
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:02.760
to bat to try to get it, or we might just say, all

1338
01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.319
right, I guess we're screwed.
We're not going to get the answers.

1339
01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:14.000
But another interesting thing about that is
that Harry Reid I am positive he was,

1340
01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:17.159
as far as intelligence, part of
that gang of eight that I'm sure

1341
01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:21.520
I believe that Melon's referring to.
So Harry Reid would have been one of

1342
01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:26.760
those people. So Chris Mellon might
be telling us something else. Why is

1343
01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:32.560
Harry Reid starting ASAP to look into
some of this stuff, trying to get

1344
01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:39.000
ASAP where he used a term by
them a tip SAP access to be able

1345
01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:42.960
to find that information out when Harry
Reid had the ability to find that out

1346
01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:46.000
himself. So maybe he felt he
wasn't getting all the answers that he was

1347
01:38:46.039 --> 01:38:50.840
supposed to get. And some people
have suggested this that a tip might have

1348
01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:57.239
been partially kind of especially this SAP
well, he even mentioned there's discussion about

1349
01:38:57.239 --> 01:39:00.960
this the whole reason they wanted the
SAP status was so they could get access

1350
01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:06.640
to information and other special access programs. So it seems like there was a

1351
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:12.600
lot of information that a TIP was
a tool to get more information on what

1352
01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:17.279
was out there, but of course
they were denied SAP access. And the

1353
01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:21.399
big question for me is, Harry
Reid, did you go ask these questions

1354
01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:26.439
and were you denied information? What
did you try to find on your own

1355
01:39:26.840 --> 01:39:31.199
given the power of your office,
which is huge? I mean he was

1356
01:39:31.239 --> 01:39:36.159
he was a very important person.
That's a great point. And I did.

1357
01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:41.720
I mentioned to him some of the
other programs and if they were located

1358
01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:45.279
in a special access program and he
said they'd have to be. And that

1359
01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:47.600
interview George Snapp did with him,
it's like he mentioned other programs and he

1360
01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:51.239
gave that little sly smile, which
I tweeted out. I was like,

1361
01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:54.439
what is he trying to tell us? So, yeah, that's a great

1362
01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:58.760
point. Yeah, So what does
Harry Reid know? What does he really

1363
01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:01.119
know? But there's other players in
this said just are not going to share

1364
01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:04.960
what they know. I mean,
Harry Reid is tight lipped, Bob big

1365
01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:10.239
Low, I mean, he rarely
gives any interviews and claims to know there's

1366
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:14.279
aliens here, but won't share why. He believes that how put Off is

1367
01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:17.600
very good at holding stuff close to
the vest. Fortunately, we have people

1368
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:21.199
like Eric Davis, who you once
you get him going, it's hard to

1369
01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:27.880
get him to stop. But yeah, it's it's it's a lot of fun.

1370
01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:30.760
This is just so interesting. We're
getting so much information. And it's

1371
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:34.800
funny because, like I talked about
with George Knapp, he's someone who really

1372
01:40:34.840 --> 01:40:39.319
geeks out on He gets so excited
like like we do about all this stuff.

1373
01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:43.119
It's like, well, just imagine
some of these guys trying to get

1374
01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:49.680
this information for literally decades and now
there's this huge avalanche of flow of information.

1375
01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:57.800
How amazing that would be. And
speaking of information coming out, I

1376
01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:03.880
wrote a blog about Long again mellon
comments yesterday that I published. You know,

1377
01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:10.000
DeLong is saying that towards the end
of the series, we're gonna see

1378
01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:15.800
current program agents. They're not going
to show their face. I took that

1379
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.560
as meaning the United States. I
mean, he didn't clarify that, but

1380
01:41:18.800 --> 01:41:21.479
that's what we've been wanting this whole
time, is to know about the current

1381
01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:27.319
program going on. You know,
Lou has told us that there is a

1382
01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:30.039
current program going on. It may
not be named ATIV, but it's alive

1383
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:32.520
and well, I think, is
how he put it, and so that's

1384
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:39.960
gonna be really huge. Another thing
that I'm just totally flabbergasted by is that

1385
01:41:41.239 --> 01:41:45.000
Tom and Melan have both talked about
NATO allies coming forward and talking about experiences.

1386
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:48.359
I have some of the quotes right
here. Tom said you will see

1387
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:53.720
the intelligence agents of other NATO allies
towards the end of the show, and

1388
01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:59.399
then Mellan said, in fact,
as our investigation unfolds over the first six

1389
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:03.039
episodes season, we're going to be
presenting information from an ally that's been having

1390
01:42:03.119 --> 01:42:11.039
very similar experiences. So you know
what if we get New York Times level,

1391
01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:15.560
you know story about another country.
I'm just speculating here, but something

1392
01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:19.640
big may come about with us,
and I think everyone really needs to pay

1393
01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:25.039
attention to that. I think it's
rans go ahead. I was gonna say,

1394
01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:29.000
I think that speculation. I think
it's it's warranted because they had cameras

1395
01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:30.279
with them when they were in Rome
as well, so when they did the

1396
01:42:30.279 --> 01:42:34.199
conference in Rome, so I think, yeah, it's definitely a European nation

1397
01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:39.279
for sure, and I think it's
going to be collaborated with another article,

1398
01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:43.079
not where they did it on purpose, but I think everything is timed if

1399
01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:45.840
one of the last episodes is when
this is revealed, you know. I

1400
01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.880
think they're definitely been working side by
side with some of these governments in terms

1401
01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:54.119
of when the stuff gets out there
to kind of to kind of parallel with

1402
01:42:54.520 --> 01:43:00.159
when the episode airs. I hope
there's video. Yeah, I think I'd

1403
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:02.640
be more excited if it's Italy,
but I kind of they've mentioned France before.

1404
01:43:02.680 --> 01:43:05.960
I think it might be France.
The reason I'd be excited if it's

1405
01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:11.680
Italy because we haven't heard as much
from them historically, whereas we've heard a

1406
01:43:11.680 --> 01:43:16.119
lot from France because they have their
own official UFO organization that's been going since

1407
01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:20.319
the seventies. That was Jacques Vallet
had a role in getting that rolling actually,

1408
01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:27.840
And so if we do get to
see current members of whatever the program

1409
01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:30.439
is called, I mean, that's
probably one of the more exciting things I

1410
01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:34.399
can think of. I cannot wait
for that. And the naysayers, what

1411
01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:38.680
are they going to say? Will
well know these people are just these people

1412
01:43:38.720 --> 01:43:41.600
along, They're not part of the
program. What the program exists now,

1413
01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:45.359
and these guys are saying, we
are investigating UFOs encounters with the military,

1414
01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:48.039
and it's happening right now. It's
going to shut up a lot of those

1415
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:53.600
naysayers. It may also change how
the public views this because when they read

1416
01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:57.239
the New York Times article, a
tip was in the past, even though

1417
01:43:57.239 --> 01:43:59.800
we know it was still going on, but that you know, it was

1418
01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.600
basically said in a lot of these
media outlets that it was over with,

1419
01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:08.760
And I think that kind of put
people's minds at ease in a way.

1420
01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:14.800
But what if the public now knows
there's a current program investigating things right now

1421
01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:17.560
as we speak, And I think
that may change how people view the subject.

1422
01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:21.000
If they don't do it, Yep, if they don't do it,

1423
01:44:21.039 --> 01:44:28.079
I can just picture Danny taking screenshots
of every person in the last few episodes

1424
01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:31.119
and trying to figure out who all
these people are. I'm assuming they're going

1425
01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:33.960
to be in silhouette. I would
think they're not going to show their faces.

1426
01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:36.600
I think that's what DeLong said,
right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1427
01:44:36.640 --> 01:44:39.359
he said they're not going to show
their faces, but hey, we're

1428
01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:44.199
going to get their their side profile. Oh yeah, I'll be happy with

1429
01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:47.479
voices. Yeah. So finally,
predictions. Anybody got a prediction? I

1430
01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:55.000
got one. My prediction is we
will hear clarification, more clarification from the

1431
01:44:55.079 --> 01:45:01.000
DoD backtracking even more from their statements. I'm absolutely certain that awesome. I

1432
01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:06.439
mean, I personally have shared information
with Sherwood and I know he's read it

1433
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:10.000
because I know he only got a
couple of emails that day on this,

1434
01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:14.239
and I haven't begun my campaign to
really bug him to get more information.

1435
01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:17.439
But I know I'm not the only
one who shared information. And of course,

1436
01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:19.720
like I said, I'm the run
of the litter. I don't have

1437
01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:25.119
an organ even Klas would have more
pull that George and app works with.

1438
01:45:25.159 --> 01:45:29.439
But people like Bender with Politico,
who says essentially that he's looking for some

1439
01:45:29.439 --> 01:45:32.279
clarification, Politico has a lot of
cloud. They're going to get a response

1440
01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:38.199
of some sort. So I'm sure
that we'll get even more clarification. There

1441
01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:44.359
any of any other predictions also,
But I'm just going to buy these comments.

1442
01:45:44.399 --> 01:45:46.479
So yeah, I'm just waiting for
the program in the current program and

1443
01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:49.680
the NATO thing. Yeah, I
don't have a prediction, but I do,

1444
01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:53.439
can I bring up one other thing, because I really want to get

1445
01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:56.319
you guys, your take on this, any idea, you know. The

1446
01:45:56.319 --> 01:46:00.239
New York Times has now written several
articles on this, not unmentioned of Awsapp,

1447
01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:03.119
and I know they would like to
get people who are actually in the

1448
01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.640
program so they can get you know, so they can get an interviewed with

1449
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:09.880
one of those people. And they
may be really difficult to get it,

1450
01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:13.880
but I would think they would at
least mention and that's how the program started.

1451
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:17.199
Because nobody really, unlike besides us, because we follow it so closely,

1452
01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:20.920
people who are just you know,
just getting into this subject, they

1453
01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:25.600
have no idea that it started with, you know, Skinwalker Ranch and the

1454
01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:29.680
DEA scientists, according to George Knapp, you know, having the experience at

1455
01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:32.399
the ranch and that started everything.
And nobody really knows about that unless,

1456
01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:35.239
like I said, you're obsessed with
the subject like we are. Any ideas

1457
01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:41.039
why they haven't gone there? What
I would argue that they haven't really gone

1458
01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:45.399
there yet because it hasn't the current
story that the most recently it hasn't really

1459
01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:48.039
went to that specific story. I
think they're doing an all encompassing story about

1460
01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:51.239
the beginning of the program, then
yes, I think that would be included.

1461
01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:54.880
But I think just from what the
previous story was talking about, I

1462
01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:58.760
was talking about specific incidents, so
they didn't go too far into the background

1463
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:04.039
of it. I think it's because
it's so sticky and weird. What the

1464
01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:10.079
heck was Skinwalker. It's a really
difficult situation to deal with, and like

1465
01:47:10.119 --> 01:47:14.560
a lot of the skeptics complained,
they didn't find anything. All they left

1466
01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:18.319
with was some anecdotal stories and nothing
hard. I mean, these are credible

1467
01:47:18.359 --> 01:47:23.119
people. I think they're great stories
and people you can believe, But so

1468
01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:26.840
what do you cover, especially that's
credible. There is tough and in New

1469
01:47:26.920 --> 01:47:30.800
York Times they were actually the first
before George Knapp came out to say it

1470
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:35.279
was a DEA agent who helped inspire
all of this. But they said the

1471
01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:42.399
DAA agent wanted to meet Bigelow on
a ranch in Utah that is like a

1472
01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:49.840
laboratory used as a laboratory for Bigelow
and his paranormal investigations. That's how they

1473
01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:55.760
framed it. Now, no doubt
Leslie Kane and I'm sure Ralph Blumenthal knew

1474
01:47:55.760 --> 01:47:59.439
what that ranch really was, but
they didn't go there. In that first

1475
01:47:59.479 --> 01:48:01.600
story. When I asked Leslie came
about it, she said, well,

1476
01:48:01.680 --> 01:48:04.439
lou only told me about a tip, so all we covered was a tip,

1477
01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:08.680
which makes sense, And Louis even
said I didn't want to share anything

1478
01:48:08.680 --> 01:48:12.000
about He keeps saying that as APP
I didn't work on ASP. I worked

1479
01:48:12.039 --> 01:48:14.520
on a tip, So I think
that's a lot of it. Of course,

1480
01:48:14.560 --> 01:48:17.520
there's a lot of access to ASAP
that they can have because they just

1481
01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:21.199
have to talk to the big low
people Davis how put Off, who all

1482
01:48:21.239 --> 01:48:26.319
were part of that investigation and part
of ASAP, so they're as apps.

1483
01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:30.239
So there's people they can talk to
to do a story. But it's tough.

1484
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:31.920
What would be the story. I
mean, essentially it would be a

1485
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:38.479
recap of skin Walker, which is
just weird and doesn't have kind of the

1486
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:44.000
gravitas of any real hard findings.
Yeah, I would accept the going to

1487
01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:48.119
go into skin Walker. Just the
facts that a DIA scientists actually had an

1488
01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:51.600
experience and that started everything. Just
that, I mean, just that's how

1489
01:48:51.640 --> 01:48:56.119
everything began, and it's nowhere to
be reported. It's not really reported anywhere,

1490
01:48:56.119 --> 01:49:00.000
although you said they did mention the
DEA scientists, which I forgot about

1491
01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:01.920
out. Yeah, I would love
to see a deep dive into ASAP.

1492
01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:04.760
The thing is, we don't.
We still don't know a lot about it.

1493
01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:09.600
A lot of it is guarded and
classified or whatever you would call it.

1494
01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:13.199
And even with Skinwalker, George Knap
said, we know about one percent

1495
01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:17.399
of what happened there or what's going
on there, especially now, so there's

1496
01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:21.800
just a whole lot that's behind the
scenes. Everyone thinks that os APP and

1497
01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:27.039
a Tip was mainly the dirts,
and you know, George Naples also commented

1498
01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:30.039
that that was barely part of it. You know that they had fifty employees

1499
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:33.560
investigating, and there's all this other
stuff that we don't know about os APP.

1500
01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:36.119
I just hope it comes out,
at least for us so we can

1501
01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:40.920
find out more. I want to
know what the DA guys experience was.

1502
01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:45.560
I'm so extremely interested in what that
might have been. I could tell you

1503
01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:48.199
what Jeremy Corbel said. I was
actually gonna I really want to write a

1504
01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:53.439
blog about this, but so so
maybe I should save it for the blog.

1505
01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:55.840
But all right, I'll let you
know what Jeremy said. I know

1506
01:49:55.880 --> 01:49:59.640
what George said. George said he
was in the he was in the corner,

1507
01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:03.439
and he looked over somebody's shoulder and
he saw something up over somebody's shoulder,

1508
01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:06.359
and I never got details. And
then one of the interviews, I

1509
01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:13.800
don't remember which one it was,
Jeremy Corpel said that he saw a It

1510
01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:16.600
was Now I got to think,
you guys talk about something. I will

1511
01:50:16.600 --> 01:50:19.840
try to remember exactly what he said. Oh man, this is exciting.

1512
01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:23.680
I want to know. It was
something scary. It was like an orb

1513
01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:27.239
or I don't remember what it was, a shadow person. Well, and

1514
01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:30.840
what's interesting is nothing had happened for
years. I mean, of course you

1515
01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:34.439
guys have known this. We've heard
George talk about that, but that the

1516
01:50:34.479 --> 01:50:39.960
phenomenon was dormant for years, and
then this guy shows up and something happens.

1517
01:50:40.479 --> 01:50:45.600
And then here we are with a
television program about a whole government project

1518
01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:49.199
that was based off of because this
event happened. So you know, I'm

1519
01:50:49.239 --> 01:50:53.239
thinking, as I'm talking right now, a lot of the guys, like

1520
01:50:53.680 --> 01:51:03.600
George or John Alexander calls this a
sentient pre cognitive phenomenon, and this phenomenon

1521
01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:11.680
is the reason ASAP and a tip
and the television show Unidentified and Lou got

1522
01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:16.000
all of what we're talking about on
this show is all started from this friggin

1523
01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:20.840
event that hopefully Mike can remember what
it was. Yeah, point, you're

1524
01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:25.600
right, I can't remember right now. I promise I'm not holding back.

1525
01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:27.920
Well, you know what, let's
save it for the blog. As much

1526
01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:30.439
as I'd like you for you to
share it, go ahead and write the

1527
01:51:30.439 --> 01:51:34.560
blog and we'll just plug. So
punk rock and UFOs dot com is Mike's

1528
01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:41.319
blog where you'll be able to get
that Danny just talked about Joe's Joe's Oh

1529
01:51:41.399 --> 01:51:44.760
Joe, this is Joe. I'm
sorry. That'll be on UFO joe dot

1530
01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:46.479
net if I can remember, I
have it written down somewhere, and I

1531
01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:49.479
will write about, oh I got
your voices mixed up. You guys have

1532
01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:54.960
it similar so Joe. So check
out UFO joe dot net and just save

1533
01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:57.359
it for your blog. This will
plug your blog, so people have to

1534
01:51:57.359 --> 01:52:00.359
watch UFO Joe. And it's not
some crazy like an alien like somebody told

1535
01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:02.720
me all it was an alien.
I'm like, no, it's more it's

1536
01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:08.039
more scientific. It's more like geometric
shape type thing. And I'll figure it

1537
01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:11.520
out. But we're all on Twitter. People don't like Some people don't like

1538
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:15.039
Twitter you've got to get on Twitter. I mean, especially every reporter knows

1539
01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:17.000
that's where all the news is happening. Of course, when you're watching the

1540
01:52:17.039 --> 01:52:19.840
news, you're all talking about somebody
tweeted this, of course the president,

1541
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:25.279
but somebody tweeted this, somebody tweeted
that. But you know, all of

1542
01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:29.279
these guys are on Twitter and they're
sharing all of their stories. They're all

1543
01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:32.039
you know, you guys, I'll
tell you all right now, you're doing

1544
01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:35.760
the best work in this field.
You guys are digging and finding the most

1545
01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:41.560
important information and getting those stories out
there. I'm just so thrilled that you

1546
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:45.720
all are paying attention to this and
writing your blogs because you're you're really doing

1547
01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:49.239
some awesome work out there. And
I highly recommend everybody check out these guys

1548
01:52:49.279 --> 01:52:51.720
blogs. Of course, I'll have
links to all of them in the show

1549
01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:56.439
notes. But thank you all so
much. Thank you Mike, thank you,

1550
01:52:56.520 --> 01:53:00.760
Joe, thank you, Danny,
thank you all. Thank you.

1551
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:05.159
You're a great model role model for
us, and thank you for what you

1552
01:53:05.199 --> 01:53:08.600
do. You've been doing it a
lot of years. Well, it's a

1553
01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:10.720
thriller. I think we all feel
it. It's a lot of fun.

1554
01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:13.760
So it's a privilege, and it's
even more of a privilege to have people

1555
01:53:13.800 --> 01:53:17.840
like you in here also, especially
when we're getting attacked by knuckleheads who should

1556
01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:23.560
know better and do know better.
So what can you do? But thank

1557
01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:26.199
you guys so much. This was
a lot of fun. Thank you.

1558
01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:29.319
Thanks for having us. Yeah,
thank you for having us, and thank

1559
01:53:29.319 --> 01:53:30.720
you for letting me be in the
room with a bunch of heavyweights. So

1560
01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.479
appreciate it. Actually I've lost a
lot of weight. I've been on the

1561
01:53:33.560 --> 01:53:39.359
Kedo diet. Thank you so much
to Mike Demante of Punk Rock and UFOs,

1562
01:53:39.439 --> 01:53:43.840
Danny Silver of the Silver Record,
and Joe Murghia of UFO Joe for

1563
01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:46.720
joining us today. We're going to
have links at the bottom in the show

1564
01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:51.479
notes to all of their pages,
and I would suggest you definitely follow these

1565
01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:57.279
guys and their social media, especially
Twitter. We talked about this. Twitter

1566
01:53:57.319 --> 01:54:00.000
is where it's happening, man,
Brian benders on here, that's where news

1567
01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:01.920
people are. There's just a lot
going on. You get boom boom,

1568
01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:06.079
up to the minute information on what's
going down. So I highly advise you

1569
01:54:06.159 --> 01:54:10.640
follow us all on Twitter. In
fact, you can see some of these

1570
01:54:10.680 --> 01:54:15.520
guys, you know, getting in
there and having these little verbal battles with

1571
01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:20.439
well, I guess these would be
textual battles with some of the other detractors

1572
01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:25.479
in there, But lots of exciting
stuff going on with these guys. I

1573
01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:30.119
highly recommend that you follow them because
there's lots of interesting stuff that goes on

1574
01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:32.039
that falls through the cracks that I
don't catch what these guys do, so

1575
01:54:32.600 --> 01:54:39.479
check them out. Otherwise, I
do want to also tell you be sure

1576
01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:44.960
to check out our interviews if you
haven't, my interview and Martin Willis with

1577
01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:48.239
Podcast UFO his interview with lou Elizondo. I mean, there hasn't been a

1578
01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:51.800
lot of information to come out that
at least, you know, answer some

1579
01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:56.359
of the questions that we've been dying
to ask, so we were able to

1580
01:54:56.359 --> 01:54:59.960
get some great information out on those. Otherwise, I want to give you

1581
01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:02.840
some UFO Congress updates. We're going
to have Kevin Day at the event,

1582
01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:06.840
so we just announced that Kevin Day
was a radar operator. You can see

1583
01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:12.680
him in the latest episode of Unidentified
Very Cool Guy. Of course, I

1584
01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:15.479
interviewed him a few weeks ago,
but you'll be able to meet him ask

1585
01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:19.079
your own questions of him at the
conference. That's going to be great.

1586
01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:23.520
Another person we added is James Fox. Of course, I've had him on

1587
01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:26.159
the show quite a bit, so
those of you who have been listening for

1588
01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:30.159
a while know him well. He
created what are some of the best documentaries,

1589
01:55:30.239 --> 01:55:32.920
most credible documentaries out there on the
topic, Out of the Blue,

1590
01:55:33.039 --> 01:55:36.279
and I know what I saw,
and he's got a new one coming out.

1591
01:55:36.520 --> 01:55:41.960
When you hear who's been involved with
this new project, it will blow

1592
01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:45.760
your mind. I get all of
these secrets and I'm always dying to share

1593
01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:48.640
this stuff with you guys. But
what I can share is he's interviewed some

1594
01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:54.359
of the most incredible people that you
could regarding this issue. So if you

1595
01:55:54.479 --> 01:55:56.560
sat down, if you thought,
you know, I would love to hear

1596
01:55:56.600 --> 01:56:00.319
from this person or that person.
He's interviewed them. This next documentary it's

1597
01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:04.399
going to be incredible and he'll be
able to share information about it and it'll

1598
01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:09.319
it's gonna come out soon after the
UFO Congress, so you're gonna get a

1599
01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:13.079
heads up on all of the cool
stuff that's in there at the UFO Congress.

1600
01:56:13.199 --> 01:56:16.399
Just go to ufocongress dot com to
register. Use the code save twenty

1601
01:56:16.439 --> 01:56:21.960
five. That's uppercase save two five. When you're checking out, you'll get

1602
01:56:21.960 --> 01:56:26.800
twenty five dollars off. I'm hooking
you up. Dude. You gotta come

1603
01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:29.960
and plus I'd love to see you, so come in and say hi.

1604
01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:33.920
It's gonna be a ton of fun. That's September fourth through the eighth in

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downtown Phoenix, Arizona. So ufocongress
dot com. Otherwise, I guess that

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is about it for now. Be
sure to join us next week. We've

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got a great show. It's gonna
be Nick Pope, who worked for the

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Ministry of Defense at their UFO desk
and he's always got great insights into all

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of what's going down with all of
this because he's got experience working in the

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government for this type of thing.
He also will be talking to us about

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these new uk UFO documents that have
been published, so it's like, you

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know, they said that they released
them all, but they didn't, So

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find out more about these files next
week. I want to thank Martin Willis

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a Podcast UFO for joining us at
the beginning of the show with the news.

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I want to thank Caleb Hanks for
the intro and the atro music of

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the show. He's got great stuff. Sometimes people ask about his music because

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they love it so much. I
do too. If you go to the

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open Mindsufo radio site at openminds dot
tv, you'll be able to see a

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link to his stuff. He posts
a lot of his music for free,

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and it's all really good stuff.
I also want to thank Systematics for the

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bumper music, and I want to
thank you the listeners for being here once

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again. Until next week, audio
smooth tutos you mus