WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:16.359 Get some facts and come back and Seebee. Get some facts and come back 2 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:20.640 and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and 3 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.960 come back and Seebee. You can't handle the true now told our players you 4 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:27.760 need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats 5 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:31.359 in here looking in the mirror. But I look good. I got my 6 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:35.280 extra bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We 7 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.920 don't need no meals, we don't need no cats. We need more dogs. 8 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:43.880 They are out a detainer. Ah, you're not that detained. We 9 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.399 weren't good. There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm 10 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:48.840 telling you. We laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down 11 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:52.920 for you. He sucks, he sucks, but we laid an egg. 12 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:55.719 That's all I have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna 13 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.920 break it down for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. 14 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.399 We have to figure it out every way eighty down. If you broke 15 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.760 it down, could you really comprehend everything that John Twrtorola was just referring to, 16 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.920 Welcome to the final hour of Exes and bros. Glad you're with us. 17 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:17.799 Our pull question on Twitter and on Facebook. The Facebook is Exes and 18 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:23.719 Bros. The Twitter account is XB Mornings. Here's what it is. Which 19 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.239 National League pitcher should start the All Star Game? Should it be Paul Skeens 20 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:32.959 of Pittsburgh, Should it be Chrisale of Atlanta? Or should it be other? 21 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:38.200 We'll give the results on Monday in the eight o'clock hour. The reason 22 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:42.519 we asked that is because Paul Skeens did something special again last night in a 23 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:49.519 one nothing Pittsburgh win in Milwaukee. Skimes through seven innings of no hit ball 24 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:57.920 fourth pitcher since eighteen ninety three with two outings of ten strikeouts or more and 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:02.239 no hits. His one point nine to zero ERA this year since his debut 26 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:07.599 on May eleventh is the best in the National League. His eighty nine strikeouts 27 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:13.199 with thirteen of those by the way on one hundred miles an hour fastballs, 28 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:15.680 are the most in the major leagues. He's the only qualified starter without a 29 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:21.520 loss since May eleventh. He's unbelievable. He had a note hitter, as 30 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:25.560 we mentioned in Milwaukee through seven innings and he was pulled after ninety nine pitches. 31 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:30.759 They still won the game. He is dare I say that cliche is 32 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:37.479 is he must see TV. If Justin Verlander used to be must see TV 33 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:43.639 and he was, do you think Paul Skens is he sure seems like he 34 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.919 is. I will say this, I think a guy becomes that guy when 35 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:54.039 those without a rooting interest in the Pittsburgh Pirates are looking at the box score, 36 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:58.879 are seeing how he did, are seeing when he next pitches. I 37 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:00.960 think that's the way it used to be for Justin Verlander. I think that's 38 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:04.439 the way it used to be for Max Suther. I know that's the way 39 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.159 it used to be for Bob Gibson and Denny McClain back in the day, 40 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:13.800 Nolan Ryan back in the day, Steve Carlton. I'm not thrusting Paul Skeins 41 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.560 into that greatness just yet, but he is a guy that I think most 42 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:23.560 baseball fans and even casual fans want to see the results of his start. 43 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:29.240 He's been awesome. Speaking of results, the Tigers gave you some yesterday. 44 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.120 Tip your cap to him. They beat the Guardians ten to one. They 45 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.960 won three out of the four. That's all you really ask for. Long 46 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:42.319 way to go, but a hell of a series for them. It's their 47 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:46.719 eighth ten run game this season, the most the franchise has had before the 48 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.560 All Star breaks since twenty sixteen. Who was really good? Riley Green was 49 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.479 really good, three hits, three RBIs. Matt Wierling was really good. 50 00:03:53.520 --> 00:04:00.560 A couple of hits, and he's been perhaps the biggest pleasant surprise the Tiger 51 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:04.560 season. Geoe Orschella had a couple of hits in three RBIs. Suddenly they've 52 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:09.400 won six of seven, and you and I both feel like they should win 53 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:13.800 Game one of the series against the Dodgers that starts tonight. Because Tarrek Skouble 54 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:19.480 gets the start tonight. Kentamaieta shifted to the bullpen. That's a good thing. 55 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:25.439 Well, perhaps overdue, long overdue, but that's a good thing. 56 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.480 We were just just before the break, we were talking with Dave in Hudsonville, 57 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:40.240 who was a former coach, and we were kind of discussing parent involvement 58 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:45.600 a little bit. I used to go to practice all the time to watch 59 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:49.600 my kids, and I always I was always brutally honest when I coached my 60 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:54.560 kids. I can tell you this. My oldest can verify this. We 61 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.639 were playing a game on the road at night and I pulled my son. 62 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.480 I happened to be the defensive coordinator. I pulled my son, and my 63 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.839 son was pretty upset. But he wasn't playing very well. He was a 64 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:09.120 defensive end. He was just wasn't playing very well. So I pulled him. 65 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:12.560 I said, look, you'll go back in when you're ready to give 66 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.720 us everything you've got. And he was behind me while I was making some 67 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.480 play calls, and after a play he says, all right, I'm ready. 68 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:25.839 I said, no, you're not. That's the common theme when people 69 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.839 get pulled. All it takes him is a play and then they're like, 70 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:30.040 okay, now I'm ready. No, no, no, no. I 71 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:34.879 want you to sit and watch and truly absorb and get that hunger back and 72 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:43.000 understand what it takes. And one of his friends who was a linebacker, 73 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.360 and I rotated four rhymebackers in three spots because we played a four to three. 74 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.439 He said to him, he said, at least it's fair. In 75 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.000 other words, it's not just mean. You're his son, but he's still 76 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:59.120 pulling you. And I'm not making myself out to be some martyr or patting 77 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.120 myself on the back, saying those are some of the things that I think 78 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:05.680 sometimes today's parents forget They think, oh, you know what, my son's 79 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.079 the best, he's got to play all the time. No, No, 80 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.279 you've got to be honest with them. Sometimes it should be more difficult for 81 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.519 your kid to be the coach's son than not. There has to be a 82 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:26.680 higher expectation right. Too many times parents just I remember coaching baseball and a 83 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.600 dad showed up. He hadn't gone to one practice all year, and he 84 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.040 starts trying to coach his son from the batting circle, you know, from 85 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.680 the on deck circle. And I walked over to him between the fence. 86 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:41.879 I said, that's not happening here. I said, you haven't been at 87 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.439 a game all year, and you never come to practice, and that's because 88 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.680 you're busy. I can appreciate that. I understand it. We've been working 89 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.399 with your son, who wasn't very good by the way, But I said, 90 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:55.959 we've been working with your son really hard to gain his confidence, to 91 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.360 improve his confidence, and to help him with his baseball to swing. You're 92 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.839 not going to start coaching while he's in the on deck circle, I said, 93 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:10.800 watch and enjoy give him space. Sometimes it's better that you not coach 94 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:14.920 your son or your daughter. Trust me, my daughter didn't like it. 95 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.639 When I was running their off season programs when she was playing lacrosse. I 96 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:24.000 pushed and pushed and pushed, and I pushed her too, and it got 97 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.040 to be sometimes overwhelming, But you know what, it made her a stronger 98 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:31.279 individual. So I think what Dave is saying is a good it's a good 99 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.439 lesson. On the other hand, as a dad, going to as many 100 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:42.000 practice as I did, I also found where coaches would allow kids. You 101 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.160 got enough coaches instead of sitting like you're in doubles in the off season, 102 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.399 you got coaches centered around the middle of the field chatting it up while they 103 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:55.040 got guys cheating drills left and right. Kids know that those kids cheat the 104 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.279 drills. I see it. How come the coaches aren't seeing it and then 105 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.720 they reward the kids who were cheating the drills. You can't do that, 106 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.920 So there's got to be a balance. I'm not saying parents are always right. 107 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:13.680 They're not, but neither are coaches. And unless you have that rule 108 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:20.160 that fits everybody, then you're in danger of losing a program. Now, 109 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.800 if you had Micah Parsons on your team and he happens to be late for 110 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:30.279 a practice or two. Maybe you turn the either way because he's that good. 111 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.559 But if he's that good and he's your leader, you bring him into 112 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:35.440 your room and you say to him, hey, listen, you're my leader. 113 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:41.320 You're setting an example for everybody. I can't keep allowing you to show 114 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:46.120 up late to practice. You're better than anyone I've ever coached, but that 115 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.840 doesn't mean I can't bench you or not start you at the beginning of the 116 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:58.240 game. Because rules are rules. Kids notice that they recognize it. And 117 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.759 we're talking just kids here. We're not talking at the collegiate level, because 118 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.200 I don't know what it's like to coach at the collegiate level. And this 119 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.039 is so I love because I think every single college athlete or high school athlete, 120 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.080 they have that one coach they remember that left an impression on them. 121 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.919 So it's extremely important to make sure you make the most of it if you 122 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:20.080 get the chance to coach exactly right. And I hope the coaches feel the 123 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.559 same way, and I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do. The 124 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:28.120 good ones do, and the good programs recognize it, and the good programs 125 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.080 have that consistency that's what makes them so good. All right, we dive 126 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.720 into some football discussion. It's a good segue into some football discussion on some 127 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:41.960 of the best running backs and safeties are. Where are the Lions players on 128 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.679 those rankings? We get to that on the other side of ex'es and bros. 129 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:54.000 Across the great state of Michigan after this with Danzickerson, Hey, Tiger's 130 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.559 fans, A new baseball season means a new season on Michigan's favorite island destination, 131 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.759 Mackinawe Island, Baseball Spring and mackinaw Island things that return every year, 132 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.519 reminding us what a great state we live in. Shake off the winter blaus, 133 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.639 take in a game, and plan your trip to America's top summer destination, 134 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:16.360 Mackinawei Island dot org. 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Is this because it's a Friday? 158 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.000 I would assume so? Oh yeah, the weekend is in sight chef. 159 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.120 That's good stuff. Welcome back x'es and Bros. Monday through Friday from six 160 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.639 until nine. Yeah, Trent keeps us on our toes. There's no doubt 161 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:37.120 about it. I can't necessarily dance to that good tune like one used to. 162 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:39.440 Every day we have a Poe question for you. We put it out 163 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.240 on our Facebook page x'es and Bros. We put it out on Twitter XB 164 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:48.120 Mornings. We ask you to vote as often as you like today's question and 165 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.039 we'll have a result for you on Monday. Today's question is which NL pitcher? 166 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.960 Which National League pitcher should start the All Star Game in Texas? Is 167 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.279 it Paul Skins and Pittsburgh, Is it Chris Sale of Atlanta or is it 168 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:07.399 other Well yesterday's poll question was which of these events are you most interested in? 169 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:16.600 And we bring this up only because baseball dominates right now with fringe activity 170 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.080 in the other sports. Okay, like Jamie Bickerstaff being hired as a Piston. 171 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.960 That's a good that's good stuff. Free agency, that's good stuff. 172 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:30.360 But it's a short shelf life. And it's the same thing with these NFL 173 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:35.279 rankings that we talk about on a pretty regular basis. It's all good fodder. 174 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.039 But day to day, what are you watching? What are you following? 175 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.759 Your following baseball? But there are there other things in sports. So 176 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:48.080 we asked you which of these events are you most interested in? Euro Soccer 177 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:54.279 Championships, Wimbledon, which is down to the women's championship, the Scottish Open, 178 00:13:54.480 --> 00:14:01.159 which just played round one, or the NBA Summer League, of which 179 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:09.320 most teams you do not know. I'm telling you right now. You look 180 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.919 at the Summer League like I watch I know, kind of geeky. I 181 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:20.080 watch parts of not all of it. I watch parts of the Lakers game 182 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.759 the other day. No, not for the name. I wanted to see 183 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:28.799 Dalton connect, so I look at Dalton Connect. He scored twenty points. 184 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.360 Just about every other player on that team. I had no flip, an 185 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.159 idea, no idea did you? I don't know? Anyway, That's why 186 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:43.440 we asked you the pole question. So what are the results, Trent Ballely 187 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:48.399 of that pole question from yesterday? Which of these events are you most interested 188 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.159 in? Euro Soccer Championships came away in first place with forty one percent of 189 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.360 the vote, Scottish Open with thirty percent, wimbled in with nineteen percent, 190 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.879 and the NBA Summer League bringing up the re at only ten percent. And 191 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.440 as always, we thank you for your engagement. Always vote on the question. 192 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.120 We do find this stuff very interesting. Shep how about the NBA taken 193 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.639 dead last? I guess yeah, it does surprise me a little bit. 194 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.919 I think I'm more surprised at the European Championships. I mean, can you 195 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.960 name the two teams that are playing for the title right now? It's Spain 196 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.960 and England and it's on Sunday at three o'clock. I'm a little anomaly because 197 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.960 my brother is a soccer nut, so he's had it on all week last 198 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.679 couple of weeks, so I've been following it a little bit. But I'm 199 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.919 with you. I'm a little shocked to see that a lot of people are 200 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:46.120 tuned in same. England was a pre tournament favorite co favorite. Spain is 201 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:50.000 one of four times England's there for a second straight year. Interesting though, 202 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.799 interesting results and thanks for participating. We do appreciate that. I'm going to 203 00:15:54.879 --> 00:16:02.039 give you a name and tell me if you recognize it. Okay, all 204 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:10.759 right, Will Baker doesn't ring a bell. Piston's summer league roster played at 205 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:21.120 LSU. Dannis Jenkins no sir. Piston summer league roster six' three played 206 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:26.960 at Saint John's. See I look at this entire there's there's three names I 207 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:33.039 recognize. Three on the Piston summer league roster. Ron Holland should be Ron 208 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:41.879 Holland Jr. He's the first round pick. Bobby Clintman, he's who they 209 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.480 traded for. And Marcus Sasser, who played for the Pistons a year ago. 210 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:55.960 You and I both watch college basketball. I do not recall watching Aaron 211 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:02.720 Estrada at Alabama, but he's on their summer league roster. Anyway, let's 212 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.240 get in their summer league. By the way, the Piston Summer League starts 213 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:12.599 tomorrow against Philadelphia. We have a text let's get to the text. We 214 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:15.599 do, and there's a lot to chew on. It's a little long, 215 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.400 so bear with me, He says. Matt Manning has been jerked around the 216 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.839 last three years, up down, back up, then back down, holed 217 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:26.039 from starts early, and that kid has sandpaper to him. Probably no coincidence. 218 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:27.680 He's regressed. They should groom that kid to be the closer. He 219 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:32.240 has great one to two inning stuff. I have never seen an organization keep 220 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:36.400 young guys down in the minors four or five or even six years without ever 221 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:42.599 seeing a shot up north. Wow. Uh, good for you. I 222 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:48.480 love the passion. I would say. I don't know if he could be 223 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.960 a closer. It's an interesting thought. I haven't thought about him as a 224 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.680 closer. I thought about Alex Fayato is one, but he only has the 225 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.240 two pitches you have to as a close. You don't need a ton of 226 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:06.720 pitches. Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman two really good examples. You do not 227 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:07.880 need a ton of pitches. Here's what you do need to do. And 228 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:15.880 this is why I don't think Manning is a closer. You must command two 229 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:22.359 pitches. You must be able to throw either of your commanding pitches to any 230 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:30.440 hitter on either side of the plate, in any count. That's what you 231 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:40.119 need to be an effective closer at the major league level. So that's why 232 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.680 I don't think Matt Manning is a closer. That's number one. He does 233 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:51.079 not have an overpowering fac There's nothing in his arsenal that is elite. And 234 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.680 I think in order for you to be an effective closer, I don't care 235 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.880 who it is right now in the past, whether it be Craig Kimberrel who's 236 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:03.759 still pitching, whether it be Josh Hater, I don't care, Emmanuel Class, 237 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.960 I don't care. You have to be able to have something elite, 238 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.079 and you have to be able to command two pitches and throw it in any 239 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:17.160 count to any hitter. Okay, those are That is not a belief, 240 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:21.720 that is a fact. Matt Manning cannot do that. He has not been 241 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:29.039 able to do that. That's why Jason Foley's so effective. Okay, it's 242 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:36.680 an overpowering fastball. He's got at least one really good outpitch, all right, 243 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:38.920 and he gets ground balls. You don't get a ton of strikeouts. 244 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.920 You don't have to get a ton of strikeouts, but you've got to be 245 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.559 able to get outs. So I don't think Matt Manning can do that. 246 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:51.359 With that said, however, your frustration and keeping him down in the minors 247 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.880 is understandable. Now there's a part of me that says, well, you've 248 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:03.240 you've got to earn your your stay in Detroit is four and seven with a 249 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.839 five point eight e R earning your stay in Detroit, No, it's not 250 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:12.160 okay. Is two and three with a three point eight e R earning or 251 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:18.759 three point four e R A you're earning your stay in Detroit. That's better. 252 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.079 But no, it's not a bad option. It's not a bad option. 253 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.799 That's a fifth hard right on paper. Yeah, that's what he is 254 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:34.039 last year is a three point five e RA earning a stay in Detroit with 255 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:38.319 with five wins. I would like him more than I would like kentami Eta. 256 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.720 But there comes a point in time. There's comes a point in time 257 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:49.240 when you grow up. Is probably unfair, but you've got to start acting 258 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:56.400 like a starting pitcher every day. And he works hard. But there there's 259 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:02.759 no doubt about that. I've seen it firsthand. He's twenty six years old 260 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:04.920 and he's he's in triple a and he's not performing. It's not like he 261 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:10.039 hasn't had opportunities. I think that's why we, as Tigers fans and followers 262 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.480 of the team get so frustrated because I've tried to be in Matt Manning's corner, 263 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.240 but at some point you got to give me something. Man I agree. 264 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:25.200 Has he been given enough breathing room or space to fail and respond from 265 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:30.000 that? That's I think what perhaps the texture might be alluding to. We'll 266 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.160 talk more of that and get into some NFL discussion on the other side when 267 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.839 we wrap things up on X's and Bros. Right after this. 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It's got everything you could possibly imagine, especially the golf. 303 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:55.000 Go to Tullymore dot com today. Okay, we were talking about some 304 00:24:55.160 --> 00:25:03.799 of the well, these lists that websites come up with, most of them 305 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:08.039 very informative, but it's worth talking about because well, when we started it 306 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:14.559 was remember was like defensive tackles for ESPN plus. Not everybody gets the plus, 307 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:18.599 but I do, and I wanted to share it with you. They 308 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:25.960 go over each position over an eleven day span, defensive tackles, edge rushers. 309 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.759 There's one edge rusher in there from Detroit, and obviously it's Aiden Hutchinson. 310 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:36.440 He is a top seven pass rusher according to executives. And that's the 311 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:41.119 whole key to this. This is not written out of opinion. This is 312 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.599 based off talking with executives, coaches, and scouts, right, And it's 313 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.799 also not fans, so popularity contests doesn't really play a factor. Yeah, 314 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.920 great point. Yeah, that's exactly it. So we went with defensive tackles 315 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:57.119 early on, and there were no defensive tackles for the Detroit Lions, so 316 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.359 Alim McNeil would be the first guy you think think of. There was nobody 317 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.519 there from a defensive end standpoint that really, quite honestly didn't get to yesterday. 318 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:11.880 Miles Garrett TJ. Watt. I'm going by memory here Micah Parsons, 319 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:17.480 Nick Bosa. For example, Max Crosby, former Eastern Michigan Eagle Aiden Hutchinson 320 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:23.000 was ranked sixth on that list. A guy named Trey Hendrickson, who I 321 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.799 really like Cincinnati was in the top ten. Well, you know what I 322 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:32.400 found interesting, Rashan Gary was an honorable mention. What I found interesting was 323 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:38.160 that Joey Bosa, who's with the Chargers while his brother is ranked fourth, 324 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:44.599 Joey Bosa got the also receiving votes, in other words, not considered in 325 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:49.039 the top ten or in the honorable mention category anyway. So that was the 326 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:56.319 edge rushers. Today, we're going to give you the running backs and the 327 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:02.240 safeties. So the running backs. How many Lions running backs? Let's face 328 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:03.240 it, there's only two? So why would I even say that? How 329 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:08.839 about I just say this, where do you think Kmir Gibbs is Jamiir Gibbs 330 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:15.680 And where do you think David Montgomery is? If either are in either the 331 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:22.960 top ten honorable mention are also receiving votes, where do you think executives and 332 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:30.920 coaches and scouts put them? This is so tough because they kind of they 333 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.640 split the carries so evenly that I don't think either one of them gets to 334 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.880 fully tap into what they could be doing on a worst team, like we 335 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.359 talked about the Giants the other day with Saquan Yeah, and behind that all 336 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:47.720 line everything, I'm gonna guess they're both in the Also received votes. Jamiir 337 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:53.240 Gibbs is ranked eighth. Ooh, I like it. Yeah, highest ranking 338 00:27:53.319 --> 00:28:03.079 three, lowest ranking unranked, but the highest ranking. Wow, that stunned 339 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.920 me a little bit. Christian McCaffrey's number one. That doesn't surprise you, 340 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.480 does it. No, that's the highest ranking. His lowest ranking was four, 341 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.559 so no one thinks he's outside of a top five back. Yeah, 342 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.000 I'd love to talk to the guy who voted him for four. He's the 343 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.680 best back in the league with a sledgehammer in my opinion. Agreed. Bryce 344 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.960 Hall is number two, highest ranking two. Get this, lowest ranking unranked. 345 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.279 That's a big, big disparity. No, didn't get hurt last year, 346 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:37.240 right, Yeah? Nick Chubb is three, highest ranking one, lowest 347 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:47.839 ranking unranked. Sakwon Barkley highest ranking two, lowest ranking ten. He comes 348 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.880 in at number four overall. Number five is Jonathan Taylor from the Colts. 349 00:28:52.599 --> 00:29:00.440 Highest ranking two, lowest ranking unranked. Little surprising by that. Injury an 350 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:07.480 issue. B John Robinson, He's ranked six, highest ranking, one lowest 351 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:14.680 ranking unranked. It's interesting considering he's, you know, just gonna dive into 352 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:21.119 a second year. Yeah, that's bizarre. Josh Jacobs is seven highest ranking 353 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.079 two lowest ranking unrankedy. Yeah, last year he was at number three, 354 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.920 so he's dropped down to seven. Them Jamior Gibbs, here's what they write 355 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.519 about Jamior Gibbs. Well, b Jehn Robinson was the top back in the 356 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.920 twenty twenty three drafts. Some scouts preferred Gibbs's skill set of versatility. That's 357 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:44.759 why Detroit selected him number twelve. Change of pace, fast, elusive, 358 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.319 versatile at AFC, executive set, dynamic in the past game. Not a 359 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:53.440 typical North South runner you love in a run heavy offense, but he can 360 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.960 break explosive plays with the snap of a finger, which is scary in our 361 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:04.359 league. Despite the presence of David Montgomery, viewed as a powerback, the 362 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.160 Lions made sure Gibbs was heavily involved. During his rookie season. He averaged 363 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.960 four or five point four yards per carry out of the shotgun formation, best 364 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.039 among running backs. Also led the league win rushing to the right side six 365 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.440 point three, which is interesting too. I didn't know that he's just ahead 366 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:27.039 of Derrick Henry who's in at number nine, and Travis Aten who is at 367 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:33.039 number ten. The honorable mentions, so you know Gibbs is eight. Now 368 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:38.359 that means you also said Montgomery is You thought he was an honorable mention, 369 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.400 right, you said he and Gibbs. Okay, here are your honorable mentions. 370 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:48.079 Aaron Jones, Kenneth Walker, former spartan Isaiah Pacheco, which surprised me. 371 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:53.119 I thought he'd be in the top ten. James Cook, Alvin Kamara. 372 00:30:53.319 --> 00:31:03.119 Look how far he's fallen. Yeah, Joe Mixon and DeAndre So DeAndre 373 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.400 Swift got more respect in this poll than David Montgomery did. He did, 374 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.680 mind blowing although Swift had a really good year. He was a pro bowler 375 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.720 last year and gained over a thousand yards. He did, and in fairness 376 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.000 to him, it was the first year of his career that he stayed healthy 377 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.920 and played the whole season. So, yeah, here's what's surprising me about 378 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:25.960 their right up And tell me if this strikes you in any way. They 379 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.920 right had the soft label in Detroit, but overcame that. Did you ever 380 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.240 view him as soft? No, just injury prone. Maybe that's what they're 381 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:38.119 getting at, but I agree that's not the right verbiage at all. No. 382 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:45.839 To me, that's that is very I think that is hostile. Unfair. 383 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:52.079 Yeah, unfair, Yeah, absolutely, I don't think that's I don't 384 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.039 think that's cool at all. I'm not gonna sit here and say I miss 385 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:01.200 him every day. I thought he was I thought he was a very good 386 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.440 back. I don't think he was great. I thought he was very good, 387 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:14.319 and I felt I felt comfortable with him in the offensive backfield, if 388 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:19.079 that makes sense. What's surprising to me is when people go, oh, 389 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:24.119 he's the soft label. Look, they played sixteen games seventeen starting last year, 390 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:34.319 so they played sixteen games with DeAndre Swift. He played thirteen his rookie 391 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:40.480 year, thirteen his second year, and fourteen his third year, so he 392 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:47.200 missed a total of eight games. I don't understand how that makes you soft. 393 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.079 You missed eight games in three years, and we don't know it's all 394 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.680 injury. I can't recall every single time. I don't get it. That's 395 00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:04.720 very strange to me that you would label him with that type of track record. 396 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.440 I do remember in Hard Knocks when Deuce Staley was still the running backs 397 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.880 coach for the Lions, when they were featured on Hard Knocks, and I 398 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:14.720 remember there was some narrative out there that Deuce was kind of pushing them to 399 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.079 play through some injuries and okay, moving up a little bit. Maybe that's 400 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.160 where this comes from. But I'm with you, I don't. It doesn't 401 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.759 make a whole lot of sense. Yeah, that's that's a good memory. 402 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:28.119 I don't remember that playing through injury though. That's always been to me, 403 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.960 it's always been a fine line. You know, you play through injury. 404 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:37.720 This is the big bad, tough attitude. And look, I'm usually in 405 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:45.240 line with that, but those those teams also were really flipping bad. Do 406 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.359 you play through the injury, risking further injury and then suddenly you hurt your 407 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.920 team long term h and yourself obviously, or do you take a game off 408 00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:01.880 per doctors trainers orders to try and make sure you're at least ninety percent next 409 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:07.559 time. That's up to the individual, I suppose, and it's really tough 410 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.440 because I think the individual almost always wants to play well the team. Doctors 411 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.280 clear him. Well, you hope they do. You hope the individual always 412 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.119 wants to play. I think part of the problem in sports in general has 413 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.920 been it's not always up to the coaches or the players, it's up to 414 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:32.559 the trainers. The trainers have as much power as many ancillary coaches because players 415 00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.880 are going to those trainers, and the trainers are like, look, I 416 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.920 don't want to be responsible for losing Trent Ballely the rest of the season, 417 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.400 and suddenly he blows out an MCL So I think what we ought to do 418 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.239 have him sit out a week, or have him sit out the first few 419 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.719 days of practice, knowing in the end the coach will say, if he's 420 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.559 not practicing, he probably be unplaying. If he's not practicing by Friday, 421 00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.519 he ain't playing. Sure, you know, not one of those situations of 422 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.039 you know, a situation where a guy is playing the final game of the 423 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:13.079 year in a Super Bowl. So anyway, I was surprised at that label 424 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.559 because I don't agree with it, nor do I necessarily remember it. Here's 425 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:24.679 their top safeties. Now we know that the secondary for Detroit is an issue. 426 00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:31.840 It's hopefully been being rectified with the drafting and the signing of certain players. 427 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:37.320 You know that we've gone through it already. Detroit has probably how many 428 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.400 safeties that you would look at and say, all right, yeah, I 429 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:49.719 could see them realistically, maybe none, maybe none, But how many would 430 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.519 you say and where would they be? I would guess Kirby Joseph is an 431 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:58.800 honorable mention and Brian Branch It's hard because I don't know what position is he 432 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.000 He's kind of a nickel corner slash safety, so it's it's tough. But 433 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.599 what do they have? Ship So here's what they have. They have Brian 434 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:15.960 Branch as an honorable mention. The best safeties in football according to executives, 435 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:23.719 coaches, and scouts on ESPN plus Antwine Winfield number one with Tampa, Kyle 436 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:30.440 Hamilton with Baltimore number two. He I think he's the best, Jesse Bates 437 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:38.039 with Atlanta number three. Makea Fitzpatrick with Pittsburgh at number four, Javon Holland 438 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.800 with Miami at number five, but a Baker at number six with Arizona. 439 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:49.000 Derwin James number seven from the Chargers. Derwin James a couple of years ago 440 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:53.440 would have been at least top three. Kyle Dugger for the Patriots at number 441 00:36:53.480 --> 00:37:00.159 eight, and then you go all the way down to nine and ten before 442 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:07.239 you get to the honorable mentions where they have Brian Branch had an outstanding rookie 443 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.360 season. He recorded seventy four tackles and three picks. Has natural coverage ability, 444 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.199 so that allows him to play in the slot and over the top. 445 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.239 He's also an instinctive player that has a knack for finding the ball and making 446 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:25.400 plays on both phases. That's from an NFC personnel evaluator. CJ. Gardner 447 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.559 Johnson, former Lion now with the Eagles, also and in the honorable mention 448 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:38.960 also receiving votes. Perhaps not who you thought. Melafon wo ooh is also 449 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:44.320 receiving votes. Not Kirby Joseph. That's a sleepy pick. But I don't 450 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.920 hate it. That's surprising to me. It is, Oh, it's very 451 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.960 It's shocking to me, but I I I'm not super I kind of like 452 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.880 that someone out there, whoever it is, has some stock and iffy because 453 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.800 that bodes well for the secondary. Well, it's interesting only before this standpoint 454 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:07.199 from me, So that comes from executives, scouts and coaches, and you 455 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.039 know, obviously player personnel, which is part of the executives CBS Sports comes 456 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:22.360 out with players who are poised to have an all breakout season, included Kirby 457 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:30.159 Joseph. So you got one guy who's not even mentioned. You got another 458 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.840 article. This is based on writers. It's not based on the guys who 459 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:43.239 break down film and break down numbers. But this is you know, somebody 460 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:49.679 who feels like you know, with these writers who take analytics into the argument, 461 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.880 into the discussion, they feel like he's ready for a breakout season. 462 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:58.760 True Media has a metric that measures the passer rating by opposing quarterbacks against coverage 463 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:07.320 players. Kirby Joseph ranked third last season, had four interceptions. He's going 464 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:13.280 to have better talent around him, and he, according to this article on 465 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:19.119 cbfsports dot com and through the data analytics, is going to put himself in 466 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:24.360 a Pro Bowl and all Pro consideration. Isn't that interesting? I'd welcome that 467 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:31.280 in a heartbeat. Well. Absolutely, but that's to me, that's a 468 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:39.280 perfect example of how the different opinions can be so vast. He's not even 469 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:46.559 mentioned in one, but he is highlighted in another. There are other guys. 470 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:52.639 I don't think there's another lion in that all breakout team, but there 471 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.960 are some like there's a Jalen Carter involved, a Christian Harris and Terrell Bernard 472 00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:05.159 as linebackers. But Joseph along with ji Ere Brown of the forty nine ers 473 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:15.159 are listed as Safeties Honorable mention former Michigan Wolverine Dax Hill with the Bengals. 474 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:21.519 How about that? It's good stuff. I love that so many Lions are 475 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:27.320 on the radar, even if it doesn't come to fruition. People are taking 476 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.159 note of the progress. And what it tells you is you could have a 477 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.480 breakout season, you could be an All Pro, you could be a Pro 478 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.840 Bowl. There's a lot that has to happen in order for that to take 479 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:45.280 place. But people are recognizing that they are developing into much better players, 480 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:51.880 thus a much better team. They're looking for guys who are gaining that improvement, 481 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.960 thus gaining the respect. And this is the first time in my life 482 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.559 I can recall this sheep. I mean with the Lions specif. Yeah, 483 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:07.360 there are certain players from my experience in covering the Lions for as long as 484 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.840 I have, certain players who always resonate with me, like Benny Blades resonated 485 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:16.159 with me covering him and seeing him go about his business. You had so 486 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.480 many good players at each level, you know, whether to be Porchet and 487 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.480 Ball up front and Spielman in the middle as a linebacker and Benny Blades in 488 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:31.840 the secondary. You really thought, Wow, each level of that defense has 489 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:36.719 got an impact player. But this this feels like a revolution where like the 490 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.360 whole team is getting eyeballs. Everyone is turning their heads watching this team National. 491 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:44.800 Yeah, it's not just each level. Yeah, you're right, like 492 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:50.199 McNeil, things are big expected of Lee McNeil. Inside, Aiden Hutchinson's already 493 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:55.199 established azelone, He's already established. You expect big things from Campbell right secondary, 494 00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.159 Brian Branch, Joseph with the secondary, it's like every single guy, 495 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.000 isn't it. Well, I think a lot of that. If you're looking 496 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.559 at corners, it's strictly because you and I believe that Terry and Arnold is 497 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:13.679 going to be an impact player right away. Correct. I don't know if 498 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.320 National people feel the same way as we do. But it's a good discussion 499 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.079 and it's fun to have and it's always fun to be with you on x'es 500 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:23.840 and bros. 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