Hell totally. I can stabilize it. No, I can staylize it.
I just pay the bills auto. Nothing left but Spider Man. But we're
not talking about Spider Man right now. We're talking about sometimes it's cohort who
they never get along. And I cannot wait. Man, I'm putting in
the ether because we know what's happening. When we get that Hugh Jackman,
Tom Hall and team up, that's gonna be fucking cool. The Tom Hall
or the Hugh Jackman Toby team up, that's cool. And these are things
that Kirk looks very confused. We would have thought we would never And then
I'm like, what movie loose? He's Spider Man, I don't, I
just I thought you were going Deadpool route or something. And then he said
Toby because we were talking about that. Out of all them, the equation
I would want if I had to pair them off, maybe we should do
this. I'd want Hugh Jackman with Toby just because that two thousands thing.
I think, uh no, it would probably be better with Deadpool for him
to go to Andrew Garfifthz Spiderman. I thought Tom Hank because he's so innocent
that the same way like and Garfield and Ryan God Ryan Reynolds have kissed before,
so that's where it's like they already have that like that dynamic. So
I'm just trying to think, like who Yeah, I'm just trying to think,
who would you pair with Tom Hollandspider Man, Like who's like the secret
Warst comparison you'd want? Or am I wrong? Would you guys have Like
let's say you gotta pair what storm? That's what I would get with Chris
Evans. Yeah, let's just take that question, Jordan. This is the
Logan retrospective. I'm gonna intro it in a second. I didn't even do
the plugs last episode. Fucking Kyle, you know it comes back from one
episode, gets off the rails. But he Taylor, Yeah, he drops
some white people slurs, Yeah, Taylor. You get to pick out of
the three Spider Man. You get to pair Hugh Jackman with one of them.
Which do you pick? I'm picking to okay, And then you pick
Deadpool with one of them? Who do you pick? Picking Toby? Okay?
If you already picked Toby, so let's say not him. Oh okay,
that's the point. It's like, oh fuck, it's a choice.
You know, I don't know, there's like like those dark Spider Man memes.
I feel like there's something like Toe maguire might fucking be so annoyed Ryan
Reynolds, you know, then may something like he might just get on his
last nerve and then we're gonna re report to Tote MacGuire beating the ship of
Ryan Reynolds on set. I would believe that. Like the funny thing is
unless I of them have like trained mixed martial arts. If we do Secret
Wars, it's like sixty characters and they're like, hey, ass cast,
who would in a fight? I think I'm picking Toe MacGuire like every time
that everybody, you know, like if it's like a hungry situation, Toby's
like chewing throats out with his teeth. He's skullfucking people. I feel like
the d Yeah, I know that's what I mean. Like the videos I've
seen of Toby are like listen and it's just like, man, that guy's
ready to kick some ass. Oh yeah. Ryan Reynolds like saying something on
set and he turns. He's making his fucking like jokes and everything, and
this is to guard like can you be serious? Like yeah, what does
he say, waste my the street, motherfucker, there's cars there. I
can't say. I can't hear the director Ryan, shut the fuck ups,
so you can't take Toby. I last look, we're watching just Toby at
the airport being followed by Bob Brad, which don't do. Don't do anybody,
don't get your videos out. I feel bad because like I never did
this. This was some time we were sitting this ade a wrestler when we
came back from WrestleMania, and my sister wanted to say. I'm like,
no, don't don't do it, because like they constantly complain about, people
will find out their flights and like not even a flight, they'll just go
to the airport like barrage wrestlers. Like, if you're doing that, you're
just a fucking loser. I don't care if you're listening this podcast, your
supporter, this is your time to turn your life around. Don't do that.
Ship. These people are so like as much as we're having a flap
at Toby, can you see Celebt, don't have your fucking phone out in
their face like fuck man? Like it's like, but it did Swawn a
great man. If I also that airport and I took a photo of Toby
and he did that look at me. That would be like, that'd be
good. Oh if I could get that result just to like, I probably
wouldn't. I don't think. No, I don't think he would. He
would be like Kirklan wouldn't know this, but like he'd be like er that
scene in the car in Maxine Taylor with Kevin Bacon and Maxine, which is
that's what I picture Tote would do to these people now. But we didn't
pick, so dead Pool would either go with Tom or Andrew. Who's he
goaling with Taylor? I'd pick Andrew. I think Andrew has the seriousness and
that after what we've seen in the movies to a little bit of humor.
But that serious tone mixed with Deadpool's kind of humor I think would be really
good. I think Tom is too like boyish charm. I think I think
there's Pools already got that boys charm already a little bit to a degree,
but like are rated. So yeah, but I think that would be the
fun of them to get like I would say that still would be fun.
I don't think I don't think it's too much. I think it's the thing
of like Tom's not use that type of stuff, even though now he's a
bit hardened after knowing home, so maybe he'd be Okay. I think if
it's like a PG thirteen Deadpool, I picked Tom like every day of the
week, but the R rated that's where I'd probably go Andrew and the wh
who do you put you with? Hugh? It would have to be Toby.
I think just for the release of those movies, they were like not
same year, right, but like no, it's two thousand and two thousand
and two for so like X X Men two thousand, spier Man's two thousand
and two. Yeah, X three two thousand and three, two thousand and
four, for Spying two, they're all very close. X three two thousand
and six, Spirring three is two thousand and seven. They're all like within
a year two of each other. So yeah, but that's why we're here.
We're talking about all these possibilities because we are doing that. We are
going to be mostly talking about the Logan film, but that's where it's we're
talking about this in a new light in multiple ways because we have Trivia,
we have a few years put up, we got seven years now put a
pass and now we're living in a world where we reviewed it and thought,
oh, this is his last time, but now he is back and we'll
be talking about in the next few weeks. This is probably when the last
retress that go out, But go back and check out. We've re released
all the X Men retros. We didn't have one for Xmen Apocalypse, so
Meet Kirklin and Kyle have re recorded one, so that's gonna be on the
feeds. That was fun to go back and talk about a two and a
half hour meh movie, but we had some laughs along the way. And
then yeah, there'll be Deadpool Woverine predictions, which will be fun, and
then we'll be doing a review, and then we'll also be doing Comic Con
as well that coverage, and then geek fors Day is happening August third.
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and that's the best way to sports because we are independent content creators, so
we very much appreciate that. But we are doing this because Uh Kirkland,
I don't think it was here at the time. It was just upon his
return. And then Taylor did not join the review because he was not an
X Men guy. He had saw it later on. I don't remember if
you. I don't think he saw them feud RD. I think because you
had to see it for Golden Geeks. I think that's why. Because it
was coming around we all said, yeah, you gotta watch that. So
we're doing a review and same thing where we were doing this one as well,
because this was a custardome one where you can't go back. The original
review is me, Kyle, Uh, Dylan Briggs and Jessica, but it
is the old Yetti days, so you can hear our thoughts now or my
thoughts back then. But obviously there are things maybe have changed, maybe not,
I don't know, so that's what we're doing here. So I'm gonna
start with mister Field because you say you've been, you know, you've been
rewatching some X Men movies and even like when you rewatched I can't remember what
it was recently, I like, we're just talking about it. I just
felt like you were like, oh, I got a new appreciation because I've
seen these animated stuff. So how do you feel about Logan now? In
the first X Men maybe it was that, Yeah, I know we're talking
about something. You said, Oh, there's this and that. So how
do you feel now just maybe having more appreciation for the X Men ip and
characters than you did in twenty seventeen? How does this movie line up for
you now? And even and more so, how does the line up knowing
he's coming back and everything? So? Well, yeah, I've I've kind
of got like Hugh Fever right now. I just did real steal, I
did the X Men, that X Men movie, and I dab into a
few others. Yeah, I like him in that, but I was you
know, why else, what's the other tie to Deadpool with that one?
Don't tell me? Yeah, the other tie to Deadpool with that one?
Correctly, he's not going to get it because he's thinking about something in a
completely different route. But he's not thinking of something. The female actress in
there isn't Vanessa, is it? I knew that. I knew he's he's
going through the cast in his mind's like what other actors? Yeah? No,
none of the actors. Uh. The director Sean Levy, who is
directing Deadpool Maulverene. Oh, look at that. I never want to guess
that. He directed Fall Guy, he directed Adam Project, he directed The
Night in the Museum movies. Shout out to the Criminal Summer Hansy. So,
yes, that's the tie that he had. He has worked with you,
Jack before on Real Steel. So there you go. Okay, Well
I like it. I like it. Uh So I getting into this movie,
I think like there's a lot I didn't remember, and so getting into
it again, like I just sipped over it. I'm not actually watching this
movie for X Men. Fuck, so this this film? But watch that
again? How long is this? Goeese? Guys? And that's what he
watched this time too. When I when I mentioned that's okay, when I
mentioned Travis that, yeah, you see this in like a different light now
that I've seen the animated show. It hits with basically every act spend thing
that I've been watching. Because I can I can appreciate, I can understand
things more. And so when we're getting too parts here, can I say
a spoiler? Does it matter for this? Yeah? Yeah, this is
a seven year old movie. Making sure if you don't want to know the
spoilers for Logan, tune out now. Okay, So when we have certain
things there's Xavier having like killed the other X men and whatnot, like it's
like, oh fuck, Like there's a lot of weight behind certain things with
our characters and just the the trauma that's involved with these characters. And yeah,
I just I can really feel the weight behind being like members of just
I'll say, like members of the Old Guard that are just you know,
you're on the cusp of you love the Old Guard. I love the Old
Guard. I brought them up a few times. Yeah. So did you
ever see that Netflix? Mo The Old Garden? It's not the Charlie's one.
Yeah, I just feel like he'd I think I did. Actually,
Taylor, you gotta get on that. It's called The Little Guard. You
know I should watched it. It's not great. Oh, very mid So
yeah, this this this film, it's uh, it's a heavy film,
and I think that it's it's it's got some scary shit in it too,
like and it does not hold back, Holy fuck, does not hold back
when it does drops in certain sequences, It's like, man, this is
brutal. And I I obviously there are certain things that happened where I was.
I could remember and I was familiar with that they were going to unfold.
But first time going in, if you were to see this in theaters
and you don't know what to expect, A man, I just could imagine
the shock on on like your face, Travis, with like a certain family
scenes, like, holy fuck, this is just crazy. And I think
that just getting to see Wolverine in this light where it's R rated and just
f bombs and he's just fucking killing people left, right and center. It's
just crazy. Like I don't recall this being a Wolverine we've seen in any
other projects. So this is definitely a first. And now to continue that
on and we get a this expanded on and they're not holding back even more
with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, I think is great. I the more I see
Hugh Jackman in these roles. Again, I had Lais Misserablo. That's another
huge Jackman role too that he popped off. And so he's just been on
my watch list lately all these films, So seeing him reprise Wolverine is fantastic.
And getting him in this this scary, angry like position opposite of a
comedic Deadpool, I'm just really excited. I have the more X Men that
I'm getting immersed into right now just gets me more and more hyped up for
Deadpool and Wolverine. So I'm I'm super super stoked on it. And yeah,
I genuinely think that this is a this is a good movie, and
I wish that I got into the animated series a lot sooner so I could
have watched these in theaters and and really taken advantage of it. I mean,
I remember seeing Apocalypse in theaters and I don't know if I saw first
Class, but Apocalypse is the one that I am member seeing here, So
yeah, performance in that movie too. Yeah he's in there for a quick
minute. Yeah, Well you get to hopefully experience all the MCU X men
when they come in. All of them. Well, I just been like
when they do the movies, you know, oh yeah, yeah that way,
but watch them's gonna be just be fucking ship. I just have this
Oh, I just got this bad feeling my gut. I've been so excited
for it now and I just I just got the worst. Like man,
when we get it's like, oh my theater just like this is to me
my X men. It'll look over at Taylor and he's just looking at yes,
fine x men, And then I'm behind you, guys creepy three three
hours back? Oh my god. Yeah what I was gonna say? Oh,
because yeah, we fucking kp beca cells like Jean Gray or something right
there. You wouldn't want that there, So d n d P hit?
Someone removed the uh the Superman photo? Is that gone? I was watching
this, mister Patzer. If you recall, what did you think of Logan
back then? What do you think about it now? Seven years later?
I recall, very well, okay, good, so I love Logan.
No. I this is the second time I've seen this movie. First time
was in theaters with Shaye, and I rewatched it now with Shay. So
it was kind of funny because that was like early in our dating dirty dating
history. You know today she said this was a stupid movie, which is
just blasphemy to me. I said, like, I was just shocked.
I couldn't believe it. I'm like in tears watching this perfect masterpiece of film.
She's dropping that on me, Like come on, yeah, like literally,
yeah, exactly. H she wasn't really watching. She she was half
pay attention. But no, I this is the second time I've seen this
movie. I appreciate this movie so much more now that like kind of what
Taylor said, like now that I've like been more immersed in the X Men
universe, got more experienced with these characters. I love this movie then,
Like I was in tears in the theaters when I saw like just the like
it just totally gut punches you emotionally multiple times, I feel in this movie,
and it hit even harder now I feel like this, Taylor, you
did say this as well, but like I this hits so hard for me
because of pretty much every like Fox x Men thing that I've seen too,
just like the history of thinking back like when I first saw like the first
X Men movie with Patrick Stewart and Hugh and like here we are at the
end of the road and they're just they're old and grizzled, you know,
like their characters are, and it's just it's it's really it's a really really
powerful like just tail I think. And it's like I think it's just a
perfect film. There's one super nitpick thing that I have on this movie that's
super nitpicky, but like beyond that, like this is just this is just
a masterpiece. It's it's so well told. There's just great characters in it.
I guess the villain is like, you know, like that is probably
the weakest part for me. Maybe I guess I'm just specifically Boyd Holebrook.
Sorry, Clay. I I don't think Boyd's bad, but it's just like,
oh, this is like the this is uh Indiana Jones character again,
Like he's just like kind of the same. I feel nobody's gonna appear in
one Secret Wars. You fucking savage is not dropped the F bomb? How
I remember saying savages. I definitely says savages. Sure that's a pizza bed.
That's a pizza bed. And I think for sure he says savage.
I kind of think he does. Okay, savages, I'll drop the F
bomb, you know, like I don't think he actually says that, but
I don't think he says the bomb maybe at the end of this But like
I and like I, I guess like the threat of like the the program,
I guess that's more of what the antagonist of this film is, like
just that whole you have the great and powerful what's his name, the glorious
purpose purpose. Man, I just think of him of Loki. Yeah,
yeah, him, Like I, I think he's really good in his role.
He's not in it much, but like like that side of of the
overall threat of the film. I think that's that's decent. But really it's
the character stuff for me, and uh, this just yeah, like the
small crazy daughter version of Wolverine is is really really entertaining. And I think
like just Patrick Stewart, especially now that like man, Patrick Stewart's getting older
and older, Like I just feel like I get emotional seeing him in like
roles now of just like he is just so fantastic in the's role. Same
thing. It's very similar I feel when I like watch like either The Lord
of the Rings or like other Ian McKellen performances. Just like man, it's
just these men aren't even dead and they're not even dead yet. But I'm
like, I'm like thinking about that, and I'm like, I know,
I know exactly, But now this movie is so fantastic. I'm excited to
break it down with you guys. And yeah, definitely brutal and like from
the get go when like those Cholos are coming to rob his vehicle and just
fuck it. Like the close up shots of this film is so brutal,
all these headgshots that he's doing, like going through people's skulls, a lot
of just like really gnarly like flesh wounds you see as well, either on
Logan himself or on his victims. And uh, yeah, no, it's
it's it's just fucking it's masterpiece, masterpiece of a film. Yeah, no,
I I agree, It's not like unless you're a new viewer, it's
not gonna be a big surprise you because anytime I talk about Marvel, I
say, like the two answers that I accept, maybe there's a third one
in there, But for me, I personally like, it's it's all the
subjective, all everyone's opinions, right, But for me, when I gauge,
okay, what type of Marvel and are you it's like, hey,
what's your favorite Marvel movers? Not favorite? That's more subjective when I say,
like, what's the best, and subjectives are best subjective as well,
there's nothing there but for me best. I accept two answers, and it's
across Spider Verse or it's this, that's those are the two I can almost.
I can I can understand. There's like Winter Soldier, End Game Infinity
where I can understand this. But to me, those are always like strong
thirds. And I would say, Kirkland, would you say your fair is
across Spider Verse? I'm confused? You mean enter enter I'm sorry either way,
No, in the first one is my favorite? Into there's no answer,
That's what I meant. Take it back into the Spider Verse. Spider
Verse one, that's what I want. That's my favorite. Yeah, okay,
and I'm a lot going across as yours though, Right, you put
that up there? No, and then Taylor your ghostwriter, Right, that's
what you got over there? Probably not what's your favorite Marrol movie? Then?
No, what do you think is the best moral movie? That's the
question. Fuck. I do love iron Man too. I knew you were
gonna say iron I knew it Damn. I really want to hear Taylor's thoughts,
but his connection has broken out and he has now gone the best.
That's a conversation for another day. I don't even want to discuss the best
Marral movie, Man the Doorway, Emily Taylor's favorite kids. Wake Up,
We're watching Iron Man one. But no, I think this is the crem
de la creme. I think it's everyone in top form. I have little
Byron Nippicks, and that's where it's something where I'm excited talk about the trivia
and other things. But my thoughts haven't changed that much from when I saw
it the first time to now. I think the only thing that is affected
a little bit is, yeah, Jackman's coming back. But I so I
think it does affect to a bit of like, yeah, it's not as
sad because it's not like the send off, but for me it's still because
it's like of a certain era and it's a certain time, and even then
this new Wolverine could be a different guy. Right, So it's like this
was not the first time, because I actually watched it again last year,
but this is the first time I was watching it being obviously very close to
it. Pool Wolverine. We're three weeks ray, right, So it's like
that idea of hey, this is the last time, but no, now
it's not really. But I'm all for that because I want that movie.
So it still is a great story overall, because I think what they do
best is take out the legacy part right, take that all because that was
supposed to be it. Right, this is Jackman's last time, and that's
why you're sad. Take that out. What this movie does so well is,
you know when I feel like when we watched this in twenty seventeen,
and obviously you know because you've seen the movie. When you start this movie,
you know Logan is gonna die. Anytime I think people have seen this
movie, you know he's gonna bite it. But what I think is a
great success of this movie is, and movies try to do this whole time
and they don't achieve it, is when you get to that third act,
man, do you not want him to die? You want him to make
it, You want him to leave with those kids, You want him to
be with X twenty three Laura, you want him so bad. Ants one
of those tragic endings where it doesn't matter to me that Hugh Jackman comes back
because in this story here, even just this, not even taking into account
the other movies those help, but this story right here of man when he
goes through in his life, he loses all his friends and colleagues because of
Xavier sick. He loses Xavier, even Calban, he gets insubmit, family
murdered, All this stuff happens, and all the other tragedies that have happened
in his life, and he's just like he's so close to getting away from
all of it, you know, well again, who knows, not a
perfect world, right, But just like he has a new lease on life.
He's finally starting to bond with someone that's his kin, and he makes
that sacrifice and the last scene is still like heartbreaking. I'll choke up a
little bit watching. I've never had time where I don't. And that's where
it all still stands up. And that's what I'm saying. My nickpicks are
about the same nippicks of like, yeah, the fucking iPhone video thing,
that's still a stupid thing of like how did she why is she making a
little mini documentary for the exposition? Like there's some moms right, okay,
But that's where we've all, like I think we've always said before that when
a movie's bad, those things pile up and they stick out. But when
a movie is great, you tend to go Okay, I'll let that side.
That's the cliche expression of no movie's perfect, you know, And that's
where even with the villains, for me, they are nowhere near like the
Ba Tire, like there may be c plus but like even then, they're
just so minor, but they're just obstacles. And I'm fine with that with
this movie. I think there's some movies that this specifically shows you don't need
to have a Thanos or Heath Ledgers Joker in every movie to make it great,
because to me, I don't really want to spend that much time with
the films. I'm fine with them being corporate government pieces of shit that I
can see Laura and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine just tear right. I don't need this
all this reason because it's like we live in a world with those type of
people. If you were to sit me down and be like, hey,
we could have this great flesh out story with the villain, but we're gonna
lose time with Hugh We're gonna lose time with Charles, We're gonna lose time
with Laura. Absolutely not, Like that's where I wouldn't want to take away
from any of that. Sure, if you could pitch me on, oh
I got extended cut, Yeah, sure maybe, But if you're talking about
this movie, if you want to get this run time, that's where I'm
fine with these villains. You know. It feels to me very similar to
how No Time to Die went, right, Like Rammy Mallock's villain, Like
not not anything amazing, but like we also got to spend more time with
the character that spoiler alert was gonna perish in that film, which is very
similar to this one, right, and like we got more time between him
and the characters around the daughter. Yeah, and like I wouldn't take the
other version over that, right, So yes, yeah, but maybe an
extended cut. Well, I guess we would have known by now in the
vault. And I'm the opposite where I think I like Richard E. Grant
and Boyd the same. I like boy just as a cool heavy and I
like Richard Grant is like this obsessed scientist that is like back to the Vibes
and Weapon X and there's just even little stuff where I know people might not
think it's a big thing, but for me, it is where they are
minor villain. And then I love the first time Richie Grant talks to Wolverine.
He just kills him so like carelessly, like it's not a big death.
That's just like, oh you're that guy. Well I am boom done.
And that's where it's just like that to me, He's like, yeah,
that's perfect, like that's what this villain needs. Just like, hey,
off the screen, back to the action and back to the character studies
we're doing, and yeah, everybody is fantastic. I'll always say Hugh Jackman,
I don't know if I'll argue he should have won the Oscar. I
think personally should have, but he should have been nominated. There's at least
two slots on there. I could for sure take off and you know,
I got a couple of nooms here and there. But I think Hugh Jackman,
that's where it's tough and I'm interested to see, but that's where it's
just a machine of promotion because he's like, man, I watched Dead Pull
Wolverine. I think this is the best work I've ever done with the character.
And that's where I go, you know, I love you, Jackman,
but I think you're fucking lying through your teeth because I think it is
one of these things where it's like, I don't see how you can top
this. There's Deadpool moving will be good in a different way, but it's
like from a pure performance. The only performance I think that is on the
level of this if is a Keith Ledger's Joker, And that's saying something like
I think it's that good of a performance. Patrick Stewart's great as well,
but just because Hugh was like it's his movie. It's like he's almost in
every scene in this movie, right, he has to carry it the whole
time. So that's where it's even more impressive than Ledger, because Legi gets
to pop in be really flashy and great, and then Bail has to carry
the bag for almost three hours right where Hugh he is the main character.
He's given such like a heartbreaking, stoic performance where you're still rooting for him.
It's just all round. It's still like I said, it's my favorite.
I got it. It's always back and forth, but I got it.
I think under two hundred Dark Night but I I love this movie.
This is still the pinnacle and it makes me sad with I love a lot
of things Marvel does, but like with them owning Fox X Men or Fox
Now, I just don't know if we're ever gonna get like the Way with
Joker or like the Batman when it's like, okay, there's like the popcorn
Flix, but then there's like the film the Cinema. It's like, are
we ever gonna get that again with Marvel movies? And I don't know if
we are. I really, I really don't, because I think Deadpool movie
is gonna be something else. I think it's gonna be have some aspects of
that, but it's gonna be more like Deadpool and that's fine. But I
watched this and it's just like, man, we're so lucky that Fox them
did take a chance on this and let him do just like a very deep
character study with a character that could have just been well, let's have him
fight another big mutant again, you know. Yeah. Yeah. With Hugh,
it's like it's interesting because this is a character that's very much not in
his prime, right, Like we've seen Hugh b Logan in prime, like
in those those early X Men Days, I guess not the first film,
but like really like the yeah, exactly, like like we see him in
his prime, in his peak, but like Hugh himself, this is like
peak Hugh in this role, and he is just firing on all cylinders.
He's a fucking grumpy old man and he is doing that role so well.
But he also just has so much like inner turmoil and like emotion like under
just the scars that he has on the surface, and it's just just sadness.
There's just a level of this man is like it's one of the best
betrayals of depression. I feel like, just like that scene where he's just
sit there and he's like trying to push his claws back in, but almost
seems like he's kind of like cutting himself too, like just to like feel
something. It's like, you just feel that's why this movie too, You've
got to be in the right mood. Even though I will watch all time
and it's like a it's a kick in the nuts type of movie. It
hurts you. You know, it's not a feel good film. No,
no, so I his character in this you guys already have said it.
But yeah, you're just seeing him in a light that we have not seen
before. While he's always kind of angry and broody and moody and all whatnot
and many different mediums and this though, getting to see this old school logan.
I'm sure there are comic books that explore this, but to get an
actual, like cinematic expl sperience where you're seeing old man logan and it just
feels like a dystopian spinoff, like you could you could slap this on to
like would you look at it as a sequel to the other X Men films.
I don't know, like you could fit it into and your you could
head candidate however you want, into whichever timeline, because we know there's different
timelines obviously with X Men. And I think that's that's what makes it interesting,
because you can look at this and think, well, yeah, there's
other logans out there. This is not just the definitive like be all end
all of his story, but this is one of these logans that just had
a fucking horrible falling out, like an ending to his career. It did
not pan out well. And yeah, it's he really delivers, just it's
it's depressing as he knows he's getting to that point where he's dying, but
he's choosing to die. He's letting it happen. He's letting it slowly because
he's not taking care of himself. He's treating himself like shit. And yeah,
it's just the way he has this relationship with Charles, and Charles is
just popped up on medication, isn't all there mentally at this time, and
is having like horrible seizures that are causing like fuck, this is the amount
of pain it's causing everyone else, but he's able to actually like truck through.
And that's one of my favorite scenes too, is when everything is kind
of slow mo and like the guys in the hallway with the guns holding up
Charles and like their eyes turned to face them and he's moving. I'm like,
fuck, man, that's the all I mean, you're already you're a
bad guy, but man, you're a bad guy in a fucking bad situation
because this guy's able to come and cut you down. Like oh, it's
just it's crazy. But he does such a good job. And the dynamic
he has with uh, his daughter too, is it's really really interesting and
how he just just just doesn't care about her and whatnot. But that just
kind of changes and his disbelief doesn't care about these kids too. And I
like the break into the fourth one with the comics being introduced as well.
I don't remember if that was in any of the other X Men films.
No, and that's where, like you said, and I think that's a
smart thing. They purposely put it in twenty twenty nine because they want it
to be away from the sequels and not feeling it was connecting anything, and
that's where it the legacy helps. But I still feel like it does a
good job of I could show this movie to anybody I think with like,
of course they like this type of stuff, right, like great ar more
darker character study. But I think if they've not seen Andy x Men,
they could wash this and take away where Okay, it's like a Gunslinger movie.
It's like, you know they watch Shane and any thing. It is
a hey, this is a guy who used to be somebody and now he's
kind of a nobody, right, he's down on his luck, like it's
the classic fallen hero tail. And that's where it's smart. Where this could
be the original X Men one, it could be what happens is the first
class one. It could be a different one, could be the Dead Pull
Wolverine one for all we care, right, but that thing where it does
have a timeless that it just you don't need that other stuff. And that's
where the Combico's gonna help too, because it's like, Okay, at any
point you could see that they would have been heroes and people like fascize them,
right, Like we talked about that we review the boys, right,
tay, and that's what they do where the seven o'clock is so big,
they do movies about and all these campaigns. Right, Like you could see
if the X Men got to a point where maybe it is like the Deadpoo
Wolvery Wie work, he's wearing an outfit and everything like that, right,
they were a whole united team that there's comments and stuff. So that's what
I do like is it's of course if you have the legacy, especially with
a connection of him and Charles, that helps immensely. But I don't think
it like holds it down where something like you know, we're joking, but
like from into the spire Verse and Lacrosse, I think Across is still great,
but I feel like you almost have to watch into the spire Verse right
to get a lot of those connections and characters and everything, you'd be picking
up a lot of the slack where Logan, I don't think you have to
do that, And there's tons of movies, like you know, there's tons
of mo you have to write. You couldn't do that with like Return of
the King, but that's something different. You couldn't do that with Endgame,
but that's something different. Where with this where that's when it's like, hey,
we're gonna make a one off story about Logan. That's where they're very
smart, tickey, let's not make it very sequel base. They answer some
things of hey, the Munes are dead, Charles did this as died off
due to sickness, but it's not specific like oh Scott died on this day
and exave your kid. It's like, no, it's all up to your
imagination. I think that helps in this one because then you don't get in
that like oh, well this breaks this canon and this doesn't make sense here
and yet to like again, I'm not trying to bring into like the current
day stuff, but like I think we tell below the Acolyte too, right,
where sometimes they do stuff you're like, oh, you're putting yourself in
a box of like what's canon and not cannon And now it's like you're saying
something here where this is so smart to just be like, hey, it's
just them in the future. And I like the future because it is it
feels like our world the setting, but it feels like a little bit different,
you know, just like little minor things, whether it's tech and it's
just like the area, whether it's just like even times where he's driving around,
it feels somewhat not I won't say dystopium, but it feels like,
oh God, what am I thinking? What is it when like the stock
market crashes and everything crashes? A depression, That's what it feels like.
It feels like kind of a newer depress in the world, and like a
law of a law. It just feels like there's a lot of criminals that
are out and about doing stuff, like the way Logan just gets carjacked in
the moment. So I liked that they didn't go too futuristic as well,
don't focus on that, just make it semi our time with a few changes
here and there, like like what's his name, Donald Blake, just him
having a robot arm. It's just, oh, that's the thing in this
world now people have that prosthetic. It's not this big thing of like,
oh my god, look he's got a robot arm and fuck, like those
are the little things that like, like the self driving like trucks and exactly.
Yeah, that's even like his limo, even the limo that he drives
Like it's like, okay, I haven't seen that model out. It's clearly
it doesn't look like a hover car, but it also doesn't look like a
modern car. And yeah, I think it's twenty twenty nine is what they
said the year is, Yeah, which is crazy that we're like fast approaching
that. It's like, oh my god, we don't have all that shit
we're gonna. I can't wait for that self driving car. I can't wait.
I've been waiting. What do you need the hand for? You still
got your hands beating me another one? I got a self driving car that
exist cerial set kind of kind, And I think you still need like I
need them to be really good so you don't need a license. But those
those trucks are not good. No, they ran everyone on the fucking run.
That's what I mean. I need to wait till their prime and then
I'll get those. I will say, if motherfucker get out on the road.
Uh, if there's ever robot for sex and I get one, I
will never do any self pleasuring with set arm because I feel like one risky
business. Yeah yeah, like I get it. If you only have robot
arms, then fine, but no at that, like, yeah, that's
that's even Ronald Blake use the other arm even like volunteering for that. I
feel like if I still got good work in arms, like I'd be hesitant
to. But like, you know, if I was in a tragic accident,
can use my legs. I'm the first one to sign up for fucking
robo legs. That'd be awesome. Oh, I couldn't wait. Imagine the
runs you do? You know, Oh I'd be podcasting while running right now
with the green screen. Well, that would be bad for the audio.
It's like great about your land of them like the Hunter? Yeah, Kurl,
I wanted to ask you because I'm not sure if it was done.
Blake Be said, there's one thing that kind of stuck in your crawl?
What was it about this movie? What's the minor? Nippi? Super yeah,
super nippicky, but when it happened, I just kind of like looled
and like come on, like really like that was my reaction, and it
was the very tragic farm sequence when yeah, probably is it X twenty four
Is that what other Logan is murders his whole fucking poor family murders Patrick Stewart,
when he's like just like yeah, like yeah, literally, like all
of that is really touching, really wonderful. And then like later on you
have Logan like fighting X twenty four for his life and then you literally just
have out of fucking nowhere, the owner of the home, the dad in
the vehicle lines up this this truck shot to just like destroy X twenty four
perfectly to just like not hit him in Logan like I know he was trying
to shoot Logan at the end, and then he just drops dead there.
It's like, come on, man, that guy was deader than Biden on
the ground on it was bored and yeah, it's just like it was just
so much of a stretch I felt to get that guy on the ground and
then get him in the vehicle. That dad said, no matter how many
bolts, I mean, no matter how many family members are dead, I'm
driving, That's what he said. He hadn't been dead of man like I
I guess I get that your whole family's gone, your own desk door,
I'm gonna go take someone out. But like the fact that he just linds
up that shot. It reminded me of like the Strangers movies, when you
know you get that one character the second Strangers, he's always jumping in his
vehicle. He's always jumping. Yeah, exactly the no, not the remake
to every movie. Actually he's in that truck right in the first one.
He doesn't really use it as a villain, but yeah, or as a
weapon, but he tries doing that. That's not That's not time about Strangers
anymore. Big jump, though. I just felt to us get that and
it's like, oh, okay, that's how we disable this threat. Kirkland,
have you uh understands from our friends. Have you watched Civil War yet?
No? Okay, I'm excited for cooling you watch that. I feel
like there is a scene like this that I think is more gregious. That's
gonna bug this shiit of you in Civil War And the good thing is you're
not gonna like it's not a smo because you're not gonna know what happens.
But I just fagus like, are you fucking kidding me? Because this one
bugs you. There's one where it's like, oh, I don't know,
but yeah, I can kind of get on board with that a bit.
I do like it as like a last fuck you of like, hey,
he doesn't know this guy's gonna heal, So I like that he's gonna use
whatever ounce of power he has left to take out this guy that murdered his
family. So I do enjoy that, and that is probably I think front
start to finish. It might be my favorite sequence in the movie, because
there's lots of good ones, like when we'll like for action, when Wolverine's
all juice up in the woods, that's you know, chills right there.
That's fucking super good. Oh yeah, for sure. When you got actually
him saying good baidle lored, that's the emotional stuff. But that whole sequence
of from the dinner to the ending point it's also good because like the dinner,
you get to see Logan for once, like it's the first time in
the movie. He's like laughing and has a smile I think, and genuinely
just feels somewhat comfortable, even though when he's putting Charles the bed, he's
like, weirdet the fuck out of here. He's like, no, no,
let's enjoy the night, like just call him and he's like, no,
we gotta go. And Wolverine was right because he just was worried that
things were gonna go down. But I love they just trying to tell him,
like, enjoy it, take it in because we don't get many of
these nights. And then the stuff happens with the farmers whatever, that's just
some fine, just plot development stuff. But yeah, like you were saying,
Kirkla when they get back and he's saying this whole you know life he's
talking about that he's figured out that he was the one that killed the Munes
accidentally or the X Men. He feels so bad and then that like slow,
like it just logan wi what do you think is logan? It's actually
everybody walks the room and they don't reveal anything until the stab and then you
see the face and obviously we've seen the movie before, so like I know
it's coming with the first time. That was such like a what the fuck
is going on right here? Like why does he look different and why like
why do he stab him? And it's such a it's such a good,
awesome, well done, well paced, well edited moment like top to bottom
from everything even to little stuff like I know they're not in it as much,
but when him and X twenty four gold face to face, how many
fucking times when we're watching a flash being like these two flashes, someone looks
off sometimes when they're talking to each other, like their face, like when
they're together, even when they're fighting, they're smart to use like a stunt
guy and they shoot like it just feels like he's right there. But something
is heartbreaking as that goes down off, So yes, we lose Xaber.
That's terrible. Wolverine gets in and again to show like what a good character
is and bad character is. Laura's getting carried away, He don't care.
He runs right past her. He gives no fucks about her in that because
he needs to check on Charles, and he gets to Charles just and like
a heartbreaking that just gets me every time when he's just saying that Charles like
it wasn't me, it wasn't me, Like he just wants Charles to know
that he didn't kill him, despite Logan actually having some probably anger with Charles
and at times probably wishing he was dead because he's such like a like anchor
on his life for him, just to make sure to know, hey,
like I didn't do this to you. Get the fight, which I think
is really good to the burial and just at least it has water, and
Jackman's just doing so good, like just acting wise. He's trying not to
cry what he is. Lord grabs his hand, he pulls it, he
beats the shit shirt like that is just like it's like twenty five to three
minsters, like the best comic book stuff ever in all the stuff we reviewed
and talked about, and that whole farm sequence holds up every time, even
though I agree with you that yeah, maybe maybe he got a little extra
st impact there to make it across and everything. But apart from that,
love it so so question here so why like in every other scene, this
this all like younger Wolverine was just objective based and just angry and pissed off
and going. But why did he send the doorway for like five minutes?
Listen to Charles like it's fair. I don't know he was interested. He
was like, oh I want to hear this story. You know, I
don't know it, so, yeah, I really don't know. I don't
know if it was like somehow they were like, you know, I had
controls from Richard dy Grant, but yeah, you're right where he is just
a bowl in china shop And in that time he takes a moment to hear
Charles out, so he's only it's too dark. He maybe you can't see.
Yeah, he yeah, he walked in there any freedom because he saw
this at first. That's a need that is a mute. So he obviously
has a father son relationship, like a very close bond relationship with Richard Grant's
character then, right, I don't think so Richard Grant was like, oh
my son, like and they were saying like, oh, he only listens
to you, right, and well like when when you sees Richard E.
Grant like dead, it's like crazy, I don't know, he didn't he
doesn't yell, he doesn't say that, yeah, shooting his bone claws.
I don't take it as a father son. I take it more as like
a like captive situation where I'm not saying he would want to get up,
but like almost like a Stockholm syndrome where you know nothing. Remember as I'm
watching it Thrones, remember what Ramsey Bolden did to uh Reek, Like that's
the way I kind of think, well, not so much, but like
in that equivalent of I don't think he looks at him like a father,
like lovingly figure, like the same way Logan does to Xavier. There's definitely
a chain of command there, don't get me wrong. He obeys him,
but I don't think it's like a loving thing. I think it's just a
purely massive This is probably the only person he's really known, so it is
like maybe him, I feel like it's the opposite because Richard Grant's character like
he's like a son. I don't think he generally looks him as like a
son, but the way he speaks to him is in a very i'd say,
like a platonic loving way. And again it's probably just put this at
the stage because Wheneber when like he's he's all battle damaged after the car fucking
hit him, and then they're trying to like heal him up and inject him,
and he's he's like he's not like diggery, like oh my boy,
but he's like, oh, you know this will make you feel better and
you'll be back. We're gonna heal you up and you're gonna be good,
like he's talking very like sweet to him. So I don't know, it's
just it feels like there's something else, like some kind of like extra layer.
Though it's also though like a scientist would talk about that for his like
life's work, right, like it's probably, oh yeah, totally, that's
probably. That's probably. Yeah. It's like a property thing, I feel
more than anything, because they don't really make Richard E. Grant out to
be a good guy, so I would just imagine that it's very just like
if this was a defective model, like he would just murder him the next
day, like there is no agree heart attachment to it, even though he
only likes, yeah, good, we're gonna then his fucking eye just starts
like coming in like the animation like it's not bad, it's just like the
actual visual of like the eyes starting to grow. It just always grosses me
out when they juice them up there. I feel like it's in a way
where just to keep the project happy. But I agree with Kirking, where
if one dies, he would just be making the next twenty five and be
acting the exact same way. I think it's just to keep it in check.
But uh yeah, like you said, he's not a good guy.
He admits at the end of the film that he fucking like helped poison the
mute population, like he helped he de genocide. You know that's not by
putting it in cereals and foods and everything. Like what a what a terrible
way. But so I got a harvest water well right, yeah, your
water hole. But I guess it was a smart way because all these movies
that we talked about are watched in the path is always sentinels or this or
that or a here. They're always going for like a big, you know,
attack or something. But he did it a slyway. World. I
just put in their their drugs and their food and their water system and everything,
and it worked out. Of course, we still got those kid mutes
running around too. So it's he a character that exists in other formats or
is he created for the base. I think he's like based off a character
where it's very similar, but he's not the exact same, or if he
is, it's like another minor like Weapon X character. No one that I
come to mind where it's like, ah, this is a big but no,
it's just kind of like a guy Dunal Blake is because he's from all
men, Logan, but so I'm sure even by name he might have there
might be a character with that name in the comic books, but I don't
think he's a Strikers Strikers, yeah, which I like that. I think
it's makes it more personal. That's what he said because he's confronted Striker or
did he say Striker? What he didn't say Striker? No, because I
don't think he's just like my father, and my father like basically made use
when he said it to Logan and Logan but that could you. So then
I thought that adamantium was what was poisoning him, so that's how I took
it there. And then he's like, wow, I killed your dad,
And then I thought that he killed Striker. Well, and his last name
is right, so it's not strike for sure unless he married a woman and
took her name, so you never knowing like that happened. No, I
think he's just like a random scignist because just the way where Logan's like,
I probably killed your dad. Why bring up the dad then like, like,
who the fuck cares if it's not Striker. I think it was just
a like tie to Weapon X, like just because we have nothing with his
character that movie. Now, Oh man, damn strike. Who thought William
Striker would be the siding point for Taylor's Perfect ten or not? But yeah,
I think they're just a tie to like like that's why he's smart and
he has all this stuff, and I assumed it was Striker. But at
the same time, it's just like this fucking family is just like Logan's worst
enemy. Like if that is the case, oh yeah, absolutely, but
who knows. Maybe it's a name change. Dale Rice a scientist who his
father's under ice. He was killed by fleeing wolverine, so he's wore was
just running and it's a guard. Yeah, so it set this guy up
for revenge. Are they saying he's a guard and you say doctor Rice a
scientist? Yeah, doctor works. Yeah, he's got another kid on the
way. He's gotta earn more bills weekdays, he's in the last weekends.
What's all doctor Rice? Oh yeah, nothing, just here for another ship.
He's just like swat it out the same spot. Here's his movie appearance
photo. It's like a blurry image of like the guy Loan kilt, what
appearances? Yeah, Apocalypse, Yeah, I mentioned just saw him. Why
didn't we bring him up in the well? They because they did. It's
funny because the director didn't want this a time and anything, but you didn't.
We didn't talk about the apocalypse and credits scene, but they did that
to tie into Logan because the end credit scene, Apocalypse is then gathering his
DNA to make sure they have it. So that's how they create lore and
everything like that. But they don't do that because I think they were like,
Okay, that's cool, but we're still we're just doing our fucking movie.
You don't need to tie it to it. But that's where because that's
where you can make the argument that Logan is technically in the first class timeline
if you want to be specific, and it's not the Hugh Jackman that we
knew in Love because he went back in time and everything. But again I
don't think it really matters, but shout out to doctor Rice. Hardly knew
THEE, hardly knew THEE really hardly knew here at that picture. So what
do you guys say about X twenty three, I have nothing but just glowing
marks, fantastic stuff. Love every scene, love the action stuff. It's
just Dad Vickian obviously, just an accolade who continues to be great despite you
know she was in the show for too much. But uh yeah, I
don't have too much sake because it's just all praise, love all those scenes
with Charles Logan, like just just good stuff there, great dynamic. Yeah.
I think she's way better than I remember being, and I already loved
her from that first viewing. She's a lot more brutal that I remember being.
I quite like that that is the case, because it's like, especially
at the end, like when Logan drops the line like don't be what they
made you, and because that's been like a major thing that he had to
fight, right like throughout his origin of being the WEAPONEX and just being like
a killer and like like he talks about that quite a bit in this movie
or just his battle with that. So really like that whole dynamic. It's
funny too to just like see her in this and I am assuming this is
her first role, right because it said introducing Daphne Kei and then the cast
game. Yeah, and like man, she is just so like underused these
days, like especially looking at Acolyte like to this, it's just like,
man, like she's not bad in Acolyte, but just so underused, right,
Like like she is just so quality and she's like main character pretension.
She's just have some side person that like doesn't make it after just a few
episodes, Like I hope that, you know, if if it goes,
if everything kind of alignes and she can reprise the role as an older X
twenty three, that would be fantastic because like even just like when she's not
saying like most of the films, she's not saying anything but just her like
facial features, like she just looks like a weapon X right, like like
like she's just like pissed off, Like she just looks like Logan like how
he stereotypically would be of just like a grumpy like beat him up first,
you know, and like ask questions later. Like it's just I really like
the way that she portrays the character without saying anything. She kicks ass.
And yeah, later on when they give her like just more lines or just
lines in general to actually interact with other characters, and yeah, it's uh
yeah, no, she's fantastic. Was she supposed to be in New Mutants?
No? No. The only thing that I think was rumored after this
that before the buyout, because this is twenty seventeen and then they get about
the year after. I think they were talking about doing a daffing Keene spin
off where you could do is spin off with her and those younger kids.
And I would have been fine, because I not to lie, like I
love those young mutants, but like I liked them enough where it's like I
could take a movie of them doing adventures like still running from the government or
something like that, Like I liked that dynamic enough they could bump into someone
else. So I think that was the only thing rumored that they were gonna
make a movie with her. But then obviously the buyout happened, so that
never happened, and figures crossed she's in Wolverine and Nedpool. She said she's
not, but you know people all the time, so hopefully it happens.
Yeah. I think she was fantastic. Aside from Acolyte, I have not
seen her in anything else, and I was looking at her list and she
hasn't been in a lot of things. This was like a I think a
TV series it looks like she was in. But she's fantastic. She's scary
and she does a great job. Her character too, is absolutely terrified when
those fucking clause come out of her feet and she's just fucking kicking into the
bodies. It's fucking nuts. And yeah, she's she's terrified, But I
love her. I love her chemistry and her dynamic with Charles. I really
really like that, and I think it's I don't know, there's something kind
of unique about it because she's just she's speaking, uh well, actually she's
she's not even saying anything. She's just listening and just hearing what's going on
around her. Finally at the end she starts talking and speaking, and I
like that. It's like a fun development in our character and the relationship as
it progresses between Logan and her near the end of the movie. So yeah,
and just kind of leading to this little colony of munits that are prepping
to just kind of depart and go over the hills and make it up to
up north and get out of there, be safe from the government. Canada.
South Canada, Yeah, South Canada, Canada. But she just feels
like for for these child actors, they all feel like really really confident and
like they don't feel like kids. They feel like they're adults. And I
like that because it feels like after all the tribulations they've gone through through all
this genetic testing and these labs and whatnot, they've they feel so much older
than they are. I can't be kids because they didn't get a child.
You would age up pretty quickly when it's like if you make a mistake,
you could die. So it's like right away, you know, it's that
change is perspective. So yeah, let me look at my notes here.
What was I gonna say? Oh yeah, I loved every like father daughter
like dynamic, like like the touching ones are great, but also just when
she's like doing things that just annoy him, Like I just love those sequences
too, Like when early on, when she first comes to where Charles,
Caliban and Logan are at and he's like trying to grab her bag and like
just open it, and she's just like fucking death, grip on it and
just like not easing up, and like she's just got that like her old
face, like she just like fuck you, yeah, Charle. Like Charles
of course, was being like the old man in the chair, like a
Logan like Laura. We got Laura now and she's pretty much just he's pretty
just communes will be mut you know, and your daughter. Yeah yeah,
so I I I love how like annoyed Logan is with Caliban, with life,
with with Charles, and now he's got this other dynamic in the fold
that he doesn't want any part of, right, like they already have their
own issues. He just wants to get the sunseeker, go out in the
ocean and just fucking whatever that ends. Yeah, essentially, right, like
that is his goal, Like I think life's mission right now. It's a
strange goal, but I think there's part of it where like I think your
plans just for him and Charle, like it's I guess it's a go out
there and live. And I don't think it's just like they might just go
there and kill themselves like or like something like that, because he has that
bowl and he's been thinking about it. So it's just like you never really
know what the full plan is there because like I still imagine Charles, if
he has those seizures, it's like once we hard to get messed, and
if he has those seizures. I guess you have to be really far out
but eventually still gotta go. If let's say their plan is a little on
the boat, right, it's like he's still gotta go in and get gas
or if there's other boats around, so it's like you're not like you could
that situation could happen again. So that's why I think it's like with it
being called The Sun's Secret, it's one of those things like I don' I
don't think they're gonna be lasting too long on that boat, you know.
I think something was up with that boat. So I could definitely visualize him
doing a mercy death on on Charles, like in his sleep or something.
And then just yeah and anti bullet, like he brings Caliban with him and
he just fucking blows up in the sun. It's just a triple suicide,
which I do love where they're like Logan's lane, now's whole plan and he's
like, what take you on the boat And he's like, yeah, what
about He's like sun Seeker. It's like and he says, somebody I'm burning
in the sun, Like I big fantasy e merchant. I loved tell O
Ladies back day. I got canceled. I love him this role because like
he uses his comedic charm, but in like a very dry, cynical comedic
way, not the way he usually does. So I love Calvium. That's
a character. It's like if they're extending cut, I would love to see
more of calvan just up the little things. I love his look where when
he can't go outside, so he has like some big spar cowboy hats,
like he looks like it's just like some guy like you would build in a
video game or something as your character. But he's doing that because to protect
himself, right, and just brutal way as a torture him throughout the movie.
And but he has a great hero moment too, you know, like
true he's just like oh see the light and just like good stuff. He
is like yeah, like when when they keep him alive and it's just like
this fucking poor bastard, like like he's not gonna be able to die.
Really, They're just gonna keep him for tracking and he's hunting his friends,
right, otherwise he just gets tortured like just yeah, it's I'm glad he
was able to pocket those frags. Yeah, that's what we don't get in
that situation, you know. Oh that would have been Charles and Logan on
The Sunseeker. Yeah, oh yeah. The other one I was gonna mention
with the Daughter Father Dynamic is when Daphne keys just like playing with like the
locks in the car and it's just like going on and off, and she's
just like looking at Logan when he's like stop it, stop it, and
he's and she's just like trying to fucking annoy him at that point. They're
just so good at selling those scenes, like it just feels so authentic.
And then of course you have huge just like is blood pressure. It just
feels like it's at like two hundred in this whole movie. Like he is
just so like just hard at everything. Adam an teen could get to it.
The other one I love is at the end, like Charles is dead.
He passed out, so she drove for a little bit and then it's
I think right before getting passed out. Another time she drives the full time
and she starts to speak and he's like you could speak the whole time,
and then she starts just to ramble off. He's like he pulls a tope,
but he's like shut up, He's like, shut the fuck up,
and he yells at and then she starts saying the people's name and he's like
who's that? Who is that? Like like it's just so like I don't
give a fuck about these kids' names, like who is that? Like he's
just so so befuddled because like this is what he's going through. He's lost
Charles and he's just stuck with this girl. Which I forgot Mntion when you
brought that scene. Like I said jokingly with a serious but I do love
that Patrick Sewart plays is whenever Laura's around, he has this like burst of
energy and it's like it's not exact, but it's like the closest he could
be to what the original Xavier was. Right, you could see it there
where it's almost like being around Logan's just like fucking hard ass and like cynicism
has almost there's other things and being sick, but it feels like just being
around just Logan has almost impacted him that way too, where it's like,
man, you're stuck with this guy who's always bitter, where before he used
to be stuck with students and even though they were sad and scared, they
still were youthful and wanting to learn, he would teach them. There's like
this symbiotic relationship where Logan that has to be a terrible symbiotic relationship, especially
at this point in Logan's life. So well even says it right, like
it's no way to live, like he's he's just like getting doped up in
a fucking metal can in the desert somewhere, like yeah, and I think
it's fallen very far from his Ivory tower of the the Xavier Mansion. Oh
yeah, it's no Winchester. And I think it's like they don't fully go
there. But I feel like it's almost a play on like assisted but as
a death or it's assist a death right, and I feel like they touch
upon medical assisted to induce death or something. Yeah, and I feel like
they touch upon that more so just the first act. Then they kind of
go away because the adventure starts. But it is that thing of like the
Exavier's almost asking him just to at that moment kill him. So that's why
it's funny when it's not funny, but it's like heartbreaking, a full circle
moment when the X ray four does kill him, because it's almost like Exavier's
almost would rather do that, like just set me free, because yeah,
he's just like a He's just like a in Logan's mind, like a rabbit
animal he locked up, and that's why it's like lots of times when animals
are rabbit or they're very violent, that's why he just put them down because
their life would just be whatever, whatever it was, if they have a
like raid syndrome, if they have a brain injury, if they had terrible
owners it's like, Okay, they might be alive, and is there any
like is it worth in being alive just be in like a casier home life.
And that's where it's like, well for me, it's like that's a
no. And that's where I think Xavier's kind of like, well, like
what he sees Calban Wolverine, that's it. And he just wheels around his
fucking chair all day. And that's that's really any even him, Like when
he's pushing Logan's buttons at the beginning, see if it does such a good
job off, you never know like is he having mental slips or is he
just fucking with Logan? Sometimes and before I fax, I don't have my
notes. I just still fucking love. That's another highest scene when he does
have the seizure. Still love that choice of the sow motion death and killed
everybody, Like I feel like in a lesser movie, that's where you do
that. But that's where you have another big action scene where Logan's throughout the
hotel kicking ass, Like I love just step by step executing people while their
froze and just so cool and so kind of barbaric when you see in slow
motion, you know, so good stuff. Yeah, it seemed a little
unnecessary for him to do, like the rock climbing thing on the on the
walls, like down the hallway. It seems a little unecessary because when it's
in the room, like he's not doing that, you know, it's just
like, how do we make this more intense? Oh just fucking use use
your claws to climb through the hallway. Super minor nimpick. But yeah,
that that moment too, Like I was showing just how brutal we get head
shots in this, but like just the close ups of like right through the
office, it coming like yeah, like Taylor was talking about with that one
guy, but he's just like, oh fuck, that's the way he doesn't
see me. That's the worse because I'd much rather beat speeches. Imagine,
you just see this guy and like it's ten seconds of him coming at you.
It's like, oh, and you know he's just gonna kill you,
you know, yeah, and you're already in excruciating pain because Charles is melting
your brain inside. Yeah. Uh, Steve Merchant as freaking hilarious, hilarious.
I think that my favorite roles with him is just like Hall Pass was
was that was a movie, but I like the whole end credit scene with
him that was like that was fucking great. But then him in movie forty
three, he's hilarious and then what is he in that? What's his story?
Again? He's with it. It's like the daring. He's on the
date and they they I can't remember what her name was, but they just
keep daring each other to amp it up more and more and more and it
just gets super outrageous. Taylor loves the movies. Yeah, yeah, I
have. Yeah. Remember that's like my most memorable one where he's got the
ball sock, the hair falls super down water like elbows and like throw up.
But yeah, I think I think he's great in this I like that.
He's just he's a mutant that has capable tracking abilities to find other mutants
and even his backstory too. He used to work with though, right,
like I get it, like in the team it's great, but it's like,
what do you do? The trade off isn't good considering he can't be
in the sunlight. I'll definitely that's that's too. I google them when I
was watching Logan, and then I got that pop up his strength. Yeah,
enhanced senses. I think strength and sense always always the munes. No,
it's something to do with like he like spread it, should pull it
up, spread it, spread his legs spread, He's a good fuck or
like like like spread leg or something like. It's it's nothing good, Caliban,
you have zerosexual stamina. That's your mutant power. Oh yeah, you
pre come by just the woman looking at you. So he can send to
the mutants with a twenty five hours radius. As his adrenaline levels rise,
his strength would also increase the superhuman levels. He could absorb fear generated energy
from others and redirect energy against them. So someone's freaking out, he could
just take their fear and amplify it and just make yeah you think you're scared
now. It was, but it's kind of like he's that's kind of like
that crank you know, or crank too. You know, his adrenalin levels
rise and he gets stronger, so shout out to crank, crank too.
You're like, like specifically the second one, crank, Well, that is
more about adrenaline. The crank. Ye first one is a shocking, right
right, Well, no, it's a heart rate. Oh yeah, yeah,
Well that'd be more adrenaline, wouldn't it. Well, then I think
you're right there. I think the second one is more shocking. Then I
might not have seen the second one seen the first Seconde's fucking wild. It
gets even more crazy because yeah, he is the electronic heart right And yeah,
I think that one is the shocking. I can't wait to retch of
those one day. But yeah, he's uh, he's an interesting character and
it's just it's luxually. He gets caught in that situation where he's just kind
of strut along in a cage and just has to like he gets beaten up
and abused and he just just to tell them where they are. But I
like that he you know, he went out as a hero. He pulled
grenade out. I can't remember what his line was. It was something to
see the fire, see the fire. Somehow he got this grenade. I
can't remember how he got it where he pulled him from. But imagine if
he didn't say a lion, though, he probably would have killed fucking Donald
Blake. But you know, he had to, he had to be a
baller. Hey look at me, Hey look at me. Even though that's
one thing I like about Donald Blake, I like, I do like his
machi. I'm a I'm not as big as fan as Clay Patron Clay,
but I am a big old boy Holberg fan. And this is the role
that I fell in love with the guy. And I love his interaction with
Logan in a little like Oh Wolverine, I was such a fan as a
kid, like he is threatening, but in that scene not really does genuinely
feel like he is like a fan and he's like, that's how worrisome too.
It feels like he doesn't even think Logan's a threat, Like that's what's
kind of sad. It doesn't even look like he didn't feel like he's in
no danger. Even says like, oh, it's such a sad, like
he had an up sad way he talks about wishing because saw him his prime.
That's where it's like, even in that moment, maybe he could have
beat Logan because Logan's just so tired. Even with those guys, the criminals,
he has a tough time and nowadays he doesn't heals fast, right,
So but I do love him multiple times talking about being a fan of Wolverine.
And again it's in the trivia and I think the the well I'll get
too to bring up player. But with the X twenty fourth thing, I
think they did a great job because I remember I think I probably said this
on the original review. I feel like we've seen that in so many movies
where it's a clone or it is like the exact same version as the hero
but the villain. And I think because it's in small dust is in the
way they did here, I think is fantastic. Where in the script I
could have read that and like, eh, this might come off like the
clone a few Jack Ben and Wolverine, Like I could see someone being like
this could really backfire and be very cheesy, not work, And I think
they they made it work and made it look very realistic. So yeah,
I think Boyd. Holbrook's character is definitely this. This is probably my most
favorite rule that I've seen him in The Predator, No, not The Predator,
and I mean I've only seen him in the Three Roles style Destiny,
The Predator, and this, but this is definitely my favorite. I put
this one top. I probably put The Predator second and then dial in Justiny
last, just because he's so outrageous in that one. At least he's got
he's kind of composed, and I feel like he's in The Predator. I
feel like he's he's actually, oh, I don't want to say, like,
I feel like he's acting in that, but I feel like he's actually
portraying a different type of character as Daladstin. I feel like he's just showing
up and he's just shooting. He's a Nazi shooting Roman lesionaires of an airplane.
So yeah, any uh, any other notes there? How would you
rank at Kirkland? What do you do with that? What do you do
with that? But I've seen some eyes that that all the eyes are all
over the place right now, Brooks, my old Brooks. What's another like
big movie that he would have been in that I might have well, you've
seen them all and he and Jones Predator and is it literally just the three?
I feel like there's maybe one more, but I don't know if you
guys saw it. I used to get him and Charlie Hurt. He's in
twenty one Sandman. No. No, if I were to rank them,
I think Diala Destiny is my second one for the memes. This one would
be first, and then uh yeah, whatever the other one is. Oh,
he isn't Bike Riders. That's good. I'm gonna watch that hopefully.
This writer. Did you ever see the host? Which one was sure?
She ronan? Oh? No, I didn't. I've never seen that either,
but he was in that. Interesting. Okay, I think here we
can do in here we're double oil Brook. Is there anything else? Any
other other notes you have? Birklan? Uh? It was interesting to get,
like I said, I well off cast. I told you I watched
this and then Apocalypse, and to get Caliban like two different versions of the
character like back to back was interesting because it's it's kind of a niche mutant,
like you never really showed up right in animated series or any other live
action thing, but they just had him here like it to me, it's
just an interesting pairing with like Logan and Stewart because these are like major like
X Men, like Mount Rushmore characters, and you've just got Caliban here,
who's like not even really an X Men member, right, Yeah, to
my knowledge at least, so I'm sure he's been like a hat of pass
or something. But yeah, yeah, well, but no, I really
liked him in the dynamic of of of our other characters, even though it's
a very tragic. It's just end I guess that he has. But I
actually just remembered a scene to shout out when I forget that the gentleman's name,
but the guy that I had an issue with that was dead on the
floor that got in the in the in the truck, and then they went
to the water repair and these fucking like just like big hat guys come in
with their cowboy boots and they're in their shotgun and they're just like big,
mean mugging these guys. And it's just so funny to me because like Logan,
like you know, he like takes off his shirt, he's got his
white feeter on, and man didn't really talk about it. Hugh Jackman's fantastic
this movie but he is fucking jacked as well, Like in this like he
gets so shredded for this role. He's just like so massive, and there's
these guys like trying to like intimidate this one guy, and they're like,
oh, look he's got he's got muscle with him, and you know,
Logan has no fucking time for these idiots and their shit. He just walks
right up, grabs grabs his shotgun, like breaks the guy's nose, and
then he just snaps it over his knee and like, yeah, if I'm
with that crew, I'm out of there. I I am, I'm not
fucking with this guy. But then but then, like the dad character,
he's just like, oh, he got some train in a and I'm like,
man, this guy just snapped a fucking shotgun over his knee. Yeah,
I'd say he's got some tree. It was just like, I don't
know, it's I assumed maybe he was gonna say something like mutant related,
but just like, oh, this guy knows how to fight. It's like
that there's a little bit more going on than just that. But ill,
yeah, I guess just because so many of them are dead, they might
not be thinking about that writing, especially because like Charles, I guess that's
tough age wise, I guess, but maybe that's what they just think that
they've they're just so died off that app why wouldn't this be a mutant.
But I agree with you, it's I could say something else, like it's
not a negative, it's just like it's just a funny thing that happened.
Yeah, yeah. And then I do love when they come back and they're
talking Next went four like I'll give you five grand a week, and that's
the start. And then next twenty four, just fucking Richardly Grant, No,
he can a bat, she's coming by. I just want someone to
do a deep fake and take X twenty four, play some like Slough from
the Goonies, and I would just love to see that entire movie like that.
That's all I got. I then Trivia, Yeah, I'm just thinking
about Sloth talking. I don't I don't want to say the line. I
feel like it's yeah, you mutants. That's how Chrie Grant calls him back.
Hey you guys, quite a line. Epic line. Shut the Slough,
trivia you. Jamond said this was the hardest movie he had ever trained
for. He induced a dehydration forty eight hours prior to filming scenes of Wolverine
shirtless losing the war weight. He added that this method is dangerous and no
one should attempt to do it at home. Jackman uese the same technique fighters
older earlier and lame as rob So he just didn't drink any fluids for forty
eight hours, so it must have been a tough time. But Sir Patrick
Stewart claim that much of the dialogue of the Dinner tapes. The dinner table
scene in which Logan Charles tell the family about the school for mutes was improvised
with the actor's request or by the actors at the request of the directors.
Mangled after having film takes the scripted dialogue, so I guess they had a
script they film it, but then they just said, hey, freestyle and
then that's the scene they went with. And I found later on too they
just again doubled down on Okay, yeah, that was more improv so which
made sense. They've done the role for so long, it's like, just
talk about your characters. So director's James Mangle was so impressed by the commitment
of Laura's stunt double Resa Keageer. Maybe he decided to give her a role
in the movie. She was cast as the role of Pine Girl, pine
Cone Girl, the mutant, So there you go. But yeah, lots
of yeah, lots of those flips and dips that they did, it would
be someone else. And then they had dots on their face and the ha
cgi Daphne Keane's face on there, so funny enough. Hugh Jackman admitted to
having two Linger regrets about retiring for the role of Logan Wolverine. He never
appeared in an Avengers movie, and then he never appeared in a Deadpool movie.
Jackman said that Deadpool is such an enormous hit and recurring gig, and
we almost made postpone the retirement, but it was too far. But here
we are. We're three weeks away from getting the Deadpool and we're only a
couple of years away from Avengers. Because even at the time this recording,
the fucking guy couldn't even say no. They asked him and what did he
say today, Well, this is the first interview, and I don't know
what to say. And that was his quote of like, are you in
the next Avengers movie? And that was this quote, I don't know what
to say so your boy is in the next or whatever secret war is.
Like they they could even figure out like a good like plot, like oh,
say this first superhero movie ever to be nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay.
So it's a nice fun nugget there. Shuit got more. But Professor X's
blast was done by shooting the footage in shake, then restabilizing it in the
frame and post, resulting the footage containing stream motion blur and smear effect both
organic and very unusual, which is funny because that makes sense because in Adrenal
Roll, there's actually one scene where I had to do that where Shaky can
and I want a bit clear, and that's where it's like, oh,
when he says like, oh that's smart, where you purposely just shot it
to almost like look like shit, and then you go in a post to
try and like fix it up, and that gives it this effect. So
very cool there, Let's see. Sabertooth was originally going to have a small
role where he helps Wolverine X twenty three and Professor X when they arrive in
Oklahoma. Lev Shreiver was even approached for the role. There was going to
be a scene where Logan and Encarater is kind of an underground railroad for mutants.
Railroad, a kind of let's see which might have a cameo for a
well known character. Both scenes were removed because the team behind the movie didn't
want abundance of cameos or mutants in the movie, which I kind of understand.
I still wish there was a way to get Sabertooth in there. They
do like that connection. I think liv does a great job, but I
understand where they just didn't want to feel almost like what we said, where,
oh, where's this tie into what's that? And we're all these mutes
from everything? And unfortunately we're not getting him in Deadpool and Wolverine, So
that's kind of a bummer. So that's uh, is a relative Pablo Pablo
Schreiber, Oh god, right, I forgot about I'm they're not actually relatives,
are they? Yeah? They are? Oh what I didn't know this?
But are they brothers? They do look a little like I guess bullshitting
me. No, they're definitely related to liv Yeah, Max will leave and
Charles Schreiber. There's a whole fucking bunch. But you didn't say Pablo,
you said Max, No, No, Because he's it's Google lists out the
siblings to him. Okay, there you go. Uh we kind of went
over this, but James Mangles said they did play around the idea of the
Clone being a different film, like a Sabertooth or something, but the same
thing. He said he didn't want a bunch of questions of why Sabertooth here,
or why Sabretooth working with this person, et cetera. So they just
wanted to clean slate. And again, I think that was the smart route
to go of just say you don't got to connect to anything. Millie Bobby
Brown additioned for the role of X twenty three, so that that was probably
a very different trajectory. At one point, Let's see, when Charles Xavier
suffers the seizures, Hugh Jackman did not merely act if he was being pushed
away. Instead, he was held back by a rope pulled by two men
in order to give him more with a supertrayal. So each time you're seeing
those scenes, there's cgied guys pulling Hugh Jackmann with a rope, so that's
pretty fun. And then finally, Sir Patrick Stewart lost twenty one pounds to
play at elderly and sick. Charles Xavier Stuart claimed he had a steady weight
since he was a teenager and never deliverately lost weight. Hugh Jackman generally held
Stewart in all the scenes that Wolverine was carrying him. So there you go,
there you field. What would you give this movie on ten? Oh?
I would probably go like, is it still like a perfect movie for
me? No? But I still really really like it a lot, And
for that reason, I'm gonna go nine out of ten. I think that
there are some some spots that are maybe just a little too slow for me,
but other than that, I can still easily get on board with just
the characters and just the tribulation that log is going. So I just think
that there's a there's there's a lot of juice in here, and I'm happily
going to revisit this film. I honestly, after Deadpool and Wolverine, I
might revisit a lot of these X Men films and go back to them.
Oh, so I think this is great. I'll watch real Steel. Isn't
his rabb look? Get that in there? It again too so very late,
So I want to get crickled in the score, So I got apologize
everybody, but yeah, score, just like that soundtrack, which is a
ten out of ten. This is a ten out of ten movie, but
not the first dude movie, right, that was the that's at eleven at
ten. Uh No, I I absolutely love this movie. It's hard to
find faults. Like I mentioned a couple pretty much just one nitpick that was
like a like a true minor nitpick. My other observation was just kind of
funny observation. But no, it's it's a fantastic film, and it's definitely
not one that I like would rewatch often. Clearly, this is only I
mean clearly with that statement, like I've this is only second time I've seen
the movie. But it h like maybe in like another seven years, you
know, like I'll come back and just just go through the Locan experience again.
But no, it's it's super great film. Awesome. Yeah, no,
I echo the same sentiments. Ten out of ten. This is a
top tier com book film. This is one, like I said, I
got a play second just being on dark night. It is just the cream
of the crop. What you want to do is look at this. Of
course, not everything can be this exact with the swearing the radar and this
exact story, but just the essence of what I enjoy a lot, the
character study and taking your time, everything making sense for the most part.
Sure there's a little nitpicks here and there, but really just having a nice
cohesive story and just brilliant performances. And yeah, like I said, I
hope that in years to come we will be talking about something with Marvel that
is this quality. But I don't know if we are because even the Dark
Knight, there's stuff like even the Batman where I go, okay, like
to me, that was close, or you could even argue me, it's
better. That's all opening, right, even Joker, Okay, we got
close. Other than Sony animation, I don't live action wise, I don't
know how close we're gonna get. But yeah, one of the best,
so they Joen, that is it. Like I said, I think Apocalypse
would have dropped by now. Are alreadys dropped, and then there'll be Dark
Phoenix and then yeah, I think we've dropped everything, and then soon dead
Pool will just be around the corner, which should be tons of fun.
So promise you it'll not be boring. All of s