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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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here is your host? DJ Leaves? Well, well, well, we

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get ready for a weekend and has
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we're interested in with a world title
fight in Las Vegas. But we've got

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even bigger news of what's happened Thursday
afternoon and Thursday night to get into.

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You are locked in on the Big
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somewhat competent host TJ. Reeves.
He is our insider. My man has

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had his track shoes on all Thursday
afternoon and evening figuratively. Dan Rayfield from

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his fight Freak to Night, Substack
and Bigfight Weekend dot Com, Good to

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be back with you. Anything going
on? Hey? Is there anything happening

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on Thursday? Are you just a
couple two or three? Thanks? Been

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a little bit of a busy day. Uh yeah. We're ready to get

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into the whole situation with Ryan Garcia
agreeing to a suspension and a fine that

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avoids the big hearing with the New
York Athletic Commission, and you're about to

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exclusively hear from Devin Haney and his
reaction. Now, Haney I should say

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as the podcast gets released Thursday night
into Friday, he may talk to other

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people, but he talked first to
Dan Rayfield, and it's about to be

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right here on the pod. Here's
reaction. That's why you are you my

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friend? I bow to you,
even though they can't see us. I

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bow to you. Well, the
well done on hustling all of this,

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so you're about to get the latest
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So again, follow, subscribe on
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of the way, Okay, let's
lead right into it. Did it surprise

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you that this all got worked out
before there was a hearing? It's easy

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to say in hindsight, Hey,
I saw it coming. But did you

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see some kind of broker deal coming
in advance of the hearing? Will you

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been a bit surprised? As the
news began to come out here that Garcia

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agreed to a one year suspension,
agreed to what the one million dollar perse

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being withheld the maximum fine helped me. If I'm wrong, is ten grand,

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well just let me go through it. Find it. So go through

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that. But did it surprise you
first of all that we got to a

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broker deal here this quickly. It
did not, because I knew that this

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was coming as of about two days
ago. Okay, go ahead. I

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didn't have the details of what the
punishment would be, but I knew that

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there was going to be a settlement
agreement that was coming. I didn't know

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if it was going to be on
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on Wednesday because that was Juneteenth,
which is now a national holiday. So

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the Commission was not working. So
I figured, Okay, if it's not,

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if it hasn't taken place Tuesday,
it's either going to be put out

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on Thursday, possibly on Friday the
Commission. It came out this afternoon.

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I knew about it before the Commission
put out their statement which they sent to

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me. But the end result is
the following the result of the Devin Hainey

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Ryan Garcia fight has been changed.
It is now a no contest, so

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the win comes off of Ryan Garcia's
record the loss comes off of Devin Hainey's

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record. They did not go to
the extent that the Hainey attorney wrote a

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letter to the Commission out asked him
to utilize something that was in their purview,

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which was to make it a disqualification
loss. And when people here are

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the interview that I conducted with Devin
Haney, I asked him about that,

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and they'll hear his response about whether
he wanted to be a disqualification or a

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no contest. There's the tease.
So the other punishment that he takes is

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a minimum one year suspension, but
in the course of that year he has

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to provide clean drug tests. Obviously
he has another positive drug test. That

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ban could extend for quite a lot
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maximum that the Commission can find him
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So they've done that. They find
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also did, and this people have
to remember, this is a very very

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important. This is not something that
the Commission imposed on him, something that

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the Commission and the Devin, rather
the Ryan Garcia and his lawyers agree to.

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It's a settlement agreement. So they
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so therefore they can't complain that they're
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contract purse was one point one million. Now he's making a lot more than

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that for the fight because on the
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of their money on the points on
the pay per view, So he's still

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going to get that money, but
the official contract number of one point one

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million, he has to forfeit that
it goes back to golden point. I

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was led to believe at one point
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of that. I'll just say this
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he's not getting into that. We'll
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the bottom line is Ryan Garcia,
whoever is getting it, he has forfeited

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one point one million dollars. Now
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thousand dollars for being overweight by three
pounds. He claims he also paid what

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he promised at the press conference.
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million dollars? What a bottom line
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gonna give Hainey half a million dollars
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went to public school. That's three
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five million if he did it,
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very least, he gave up six
hundred K on fight night because of that

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situation. So he's got himself a
giant deficit both in terms of his bank

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account as well as his record because
he loses a victory on the record.

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So again, a few weeks ago, when this all came out and I

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broke the story, I took a
lot of incoming from a lot of people

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telling me a liar, telling me
that I was on Devin Hiney's payroll,

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all this other bullshit. The reality
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facts, and I'll stand by all
of my reporting all day long. It

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has been proven a one hundred percent
accurate by the actions that the commission took.

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So the bottom line is this fight
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and maybe down the road, you
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maybe we'll see your remapp Hey two, you've been doing this for a

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long time. This is as bizarre
a situation for the different aspects of the

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fact that Ryan Garcia whipped Devin Haney
in the fight. That was the story

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coming out of that night. And
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delves into crazy and bizarre, which
is he's on a ped and let me

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say this, and I'll take your
reaction, and then we want to hear

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from Devin Haney er in a minute
or two. We're not gonna bury that.

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But this, this whole statement.
As soon as I read the statement

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about the the billions of grams of
positive osterine, but I see you shaking

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your head and the same thing.
Look, you didn't take a one years

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suspension in this agreement because you thought
you could beat this and it wasn't significant.

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I've done, I've been around the
block several times. You took this

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agreement because you realize your phrase is
jackpot. He jackpotted for a serious ped

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and they realized we're not gonna beat
this. Ah, this ahead. I

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don't know this, but again I
feel like I've got the institutional knowledge and

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the experience to make this point.
They took the year because I didn't take

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the year. They were going to
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I don't know that for sure,
but that's my educated guess they had no

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choice on the money. Nobody gives
up that money without a fight. They

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knew they were dead. The rights
on it, the ten K that's like,

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you know, that's nothing, but
that still goes as far as what

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the rules can call for. So
this is a this is a severe penalty.

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I mean, you know, the
the the the the suspension is backdated

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to April twentieth, which is totally
normal. That's what every commission does,

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back dated. He's right, you
know, so it's w'ere here. We

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are already in in the in June, so it's already been you know,

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a few months since the fight.
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to submit to drug testing along the
way. If you know that includes recreational

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drugs potentially or is this primarily what
do we know, just Pedes, I

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don't know about recreational does it's it's
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test for, and they'll they'll and
they won't just take the light way out

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and send it to like the QUEST
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They'll send this to the WADA lab
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Uh So, there's no way of
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reason why the potentially his suspension could
could uh go for more than a year,

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is because if he has some other
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And on top of that, by
the way, not only does he have

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to provide the clean sample, but
again it's they can test him, I

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guess whenever over the next period of
time and uh. And that's the about

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and he has to reapply for the
license, and that's another big part on

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this and others will honor that allegedly
all over the time. You know,

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it's not it's not allegedly. Let's
make that one undercent clear. He is

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banned from boxing the United States of
America for the next until next April when

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he reapplies, and that would go
for even though not technically, but most

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other places he would even conceive of
boxing, the UK, Mexico, probably

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Saudi Arabia by the way, where
the where the boxing matches often are overseen

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by the British Boxing Board of Control. They're not going to license him if

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he's under the suspension. In the
New York State Authletic Mission, and in

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terms of the United States of America, the ABC one hundred percent, he's

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on the bann he's on the suspended
list. He can't get a license in

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Las Vegas, he can't get a
license in California, he can't get a

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license in Florida, Texas, New
Jersey, pick a boxing state. He

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is gonna sit down and not fight
anywhere from now to at least next April.

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All Right, here comes Devin Hanny, and make sure that I lead

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this in correctly because one of the
things you're asking him about is there's also

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the purse bid with Sander Martin,
and Haney is saying I'm not gonna fight

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for a year. He put that
on social media Thursday night, but you're

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gonna hear him in his own words
here in the interview. So that's that's

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kind of interesting. But go ahead, set that up and then we'll hear

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from Devin Hanny. Okay, so
this was not related to the suspension of

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Ryan Garcia. But if you're following
what's been going on in the news is

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just this week, I believe it
was on Tuesday, there was a purse

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bid Ryan for a Devin Haney's mandatory
fight against the number one WBC one hundred

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and forty pound challenger Sander Martin because
of course, when he lost the fight

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against Ryan Garcia, the title was
not at stake because was overweight by three

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plus pounds, so therefore, you
know, he kept the belt. There

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was no way for him to lose
that, so they had the purse bid.

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There was only one bidder on the
on the fight and it was won

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by Top Right, which is the
promoter now for Sandra Martin. So that

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was only a million and a half
dollars and it's like one point what was

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a one point one and a half
million? The point is he's he believes,

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and I understand where he's coming from. If you win the fight against

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Ryan Garcia and there's no ped use, you come out of that much bigger

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than you were going in. And
so now the mandatory is worth a lot

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more. So he's potentially been severely
financially injured because he thought that fight got

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beat even if the record now shows
a no contest, but there was obviously

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a depreciation, let's call it,
in terms of the value assigned by promoters

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to his next fight, even in
a mandatory, because only one company bid,

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typically at the very least that there's
two companies trying to bid companies will

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pair multiple bids, so if they
see they've got competition, they'll go for

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the bigger envelope, so to speak. But when top ranks Saw at the

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Perst bid, when they show up
and there's no one else there to bid,

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they give him the cheap envelope.
So he has been in his mind

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and understandably financially aggrieved by a little
bit, so he says, and he

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can hear it in the interview talking
about suing Ryan Garcia, and this fight

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against Sander Martin is now worth a
lot less than it may have been had

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he won the fight because there was
no PD use. We'll never know what

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the result would have been without the
peds. But that's his point, and

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I asked him about that. All
right, time to hear from Devin Haney,

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who talked one on one with Dan
Thursday evening. We've got that for

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you right now. Well, you
can start off by just giving me your

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your reaction to Saw. I guess
you've seen the penalty that New York issue

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to Ryan Garcia related to your fight. He gave him a one year suspension.

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He's got to forfeit his official contract
purse of one point one million dollars.

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He's got to be randomly tested.
He's gonna be find the maximum,

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which is thousand by the state.
Can you give me your thoughts when you

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heard about that? First off,
you know, I want to thank God

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Allah, you know, because he's
he's a he's a perfect planner. I

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said this before, I said this, you know, before the fight.

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I said it after the fight.
You know, through this whole process,

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you know, I just you know, kept praying, and you know,

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you know, God has answered my
answered my prayers. You know, I

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want to New York State Atlantic Commission
for for doing the right thing, making

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the right decision. You know,
we've seen you know, these type of

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things happen where you know, the
commissions haven't did the right thing, or

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you know, politics and stuff have
gotten away of the right decision. But

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you know, the Commission, you
know, did the did the right thing.

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So I thank them for that.
I think my my, my fans,

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you know that that you know stood
up for me, the people that

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that stood up for me, the
reporters that that stood up with me.

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You know, because IVE seen a
lot of people, you know, you

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know, just standing up for for
for what's wrong, and and and that

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what's right. And you know,
performance that has been drugs shouldn't be in

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in in no sport, in generally
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end of the day, you know, every time we step in the ring,

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we put our lives on the line. And you know, I just

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want to I just want to be
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that I step in the ring.
And you know, I'm this has made

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me advocate even more for it,
you know, and and pushing for it

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because you know, it can it
could have happened to anybody. You know,

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I think I'm thankful that it happened
to me because I'm strong enough for

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it to to you know, to
to be able to take, you know,

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take what happened and and you know, be move forward and not break

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me. But yeah, so one
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Devin, that that strikes me.
And I think this might be lost on

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some people that follow this more casually
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This is not a punishment that the
Commission just unilaterally imposed on Ryan Garcia.

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Ryan Garcia and his legal team had
to agree to this. They did a

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settlement agreement, so he accepted the
punishment of the one year, he accepted

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to give up that much money.
What do you what do you think that

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says about his guilt or innocence that
he accepted that he's gonna forfeit over a

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billion dollars and take a one year
suspension and random testing during the year,

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et cetera, along with the other
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that they agreed to us. I
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of the day, I mean,
it was it was it was. It

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wasn't much he could do. It
was much. It wasn't much fighting that

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he could that he could do.
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he was guilty. It was proof
and the proof was in the putting.

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So you know, he said he
he had no choice but to accept,

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you know, his punishment. And
I mean, what what what what

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can I really say? Do I
do? I think I you should have

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been banned for even longer. I
think you should be banned from boxing because

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and I think he should have been
fined anymore. I think that I should

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have been receiving you know, some
of the money that was was was forwarfeited

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because I was the one taking the
punches in there. I was the one

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that you know, was affected.
You know, I was the one that

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I think actually that you may be
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what I've been told. But we'll
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of as of as of from my
team, from what I've heard from my

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team, you know, speaking directly
from the Commission, my attorneys and stuff

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like that. No, no,
okay, let me ask you this though.

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What is your perspective and your thought
about the fact that they changed the

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result of this fight to a no
contest. They had the option and know

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your lawyer in a letter to the
commission press for it to be changed to

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a disqualification, which they could have
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they elected to make it a no
contest. What is your thought about

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the no contest. I think I
wouldn't have you know, wanted wanted to

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to to have a you know,
a victory that way. I'm a real

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fighter, and you know I've gotten
you know, thirty one wins, you

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know, being stepping in the ring
and winning the right way. I wouldn't

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I wouldn't have felt right, you
know, it being a victory on my

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record when I didn't win the fight. But the loss does come off your

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record. But the loss comes off
my record because at the end of at

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the end of the day, I
wasn't on an even playing field. I

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wouldn't. I stepped in the ring
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that was taking performance and hensmen drugs, and at the end of the

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day that it's not even it's not
a fair fight. It was and it

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wasn't a fair fight. So I
think that it was it was the right

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thing for it to be removed.
And like I said, I can I

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can only think a lot of that
that that justice was served. So let

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me ask you about this because you've
been in the news last couple of days,

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not related particularly to your fight with
Ryan, but the WBC held the

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purse spid this week for your mandatory
defense of the WBC one hundred forty pound

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title against sand Or Martin. There
was only one bidder on the fight.

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It was one point five million in
change, which relatively speaking, perhaps some

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people viewed it as maybe a little
light on the numbers, and there was

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no competition so they didn't have to
come with the big envelope as they say.

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My perspective is, if Devin Haney
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there is no perhaps you know,
maybe you do win if there's no peds.

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You know, we'll never know for
sure. But suddenly now your mandatory

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is worth the heck of a lot
more that you seem to have been financially

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injured based on the low perspit amount
because of your loss in the last fight,

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even though now it's a no contest. What is that that that has

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a major impact that seems to me
on your next fight situation. No,

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it definitely has had a major impact. You know, haven't made a million

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and a half since you know,
my beginning days of signing with Max from

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right, and I want to say
that was you know, I meane one

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point seven million to you know,
I don't want to speak to that.

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I don't want to speakuns of the
exact numbers, but you know, I

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haven't made a million and a half
dollars since the beginning stages of of of

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of my you know, contract with
matters. So why would why would I

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you know, it just it it
affected me, I was gonna say.

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So. It's so what I'm trying
to make some people understand is that what

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happened in the fight on April twentieth
is not in a vacuum. It's not

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just a situation that occurred on that
day. It's impacting your career in your

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next fight. Also, is that
fair to say? Correct? Correct?

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Correct? And you know, my
my, my, my, My lawyers

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and team will will you know,
do what they got to do to you

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know, and to prove that and
in court and you know against Ryan Garcia

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and you know we will take legal
action, you know, to to you

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know, because it has affected me
not only not only you know, my

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financially, but you know mentally everything. So uh do you do you think

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you're gonna take the Sander Martin fight
under the purspit or you're gonna try to

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look to do something different. I'm
going to you know, spend time with

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my family. You know, this
is everything is fresh. Everything you know

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this this every probably news is fresh. So we're gonna wear our options and

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we'll see what's next. We're in
talks with WBC. Now we'll see Devin.

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I wish you the best of luck
and whatever comes down the road.

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But I appreciate your time. Yes, sir, thank you well done with

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being able to get him again.
I prop you that's why you are who

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you are, As I said in
the in the build up, he put

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on social media too that I'm I'm
gonna sit out for a year. I

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think you know. Uh, it's
obvious from hearing his comments, from seeing

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his comments in the days leading up
to everything that was broken here on Thursday.

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You used agreed. He feels damaged, he feels unfairly treated in a

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lot of this, So wrap up
with thoughts. After having talked to him

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as you did, he was thankful
that as he said that the Commission quote

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unquote did the right thing, and
the Commission did do the right thing as

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they should have. They're supposed to
follow the rules and go by what the

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evidence shows, and that's exactly what
they did. I mean. The bottom

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line is how And now in the
in the point of view of the Ryan

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Garcia team, they issued their own
statement in which they still claim that the

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reason for his foul drug test was
because it was tainted supplements. So you

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can choose to believe that or not. My perspective is I don't think that's

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relevant. I mean, I'm a
I'm a strict liability guy. That ship

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was in your system, end of
story. You hate the punishment. So

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based on the rules of the Commission, and the statute in New York State.

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They followed what they're supposed to do. He suspended. He's guilty.

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Again. How it got there is
not relevant. It's that it was there.

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That's the point. And he'll set
out and he can rant and raise

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and everybody can get up in arms. But as I said from day one

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when this all started, TJ.
Ryan Garcia may be a little bit more

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famous than your average person that gets
caught up in a drug testing situation in

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boxing, But this is as basic
as cookie cutter a case as there has

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ever been. Is this simply a
case of athlete sales test, athlete claims

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innocence, athlete is punished, athlete
is suspended in the story, that's what

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this is. We'll see you next
year, baby, and we'll see what

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Hainy does next. Because he may
elect to end up fighting Sander Martin,

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maybe at a different price. I
don't know. He may end up vacating.

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It's weird, it's controversial. Next
move is kind of his as to

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what he wants to do in the
aftermath of that. But again, great

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job getting him on the pod,
and you heard his comments right there.

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As it relates to Ryan Garcia,
Okay, so we've gone for a little

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bit and it is a preview podcast. Oh by the way, speaking of

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Top Rank, they have the most
prominent card because it's got a world title

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and it is Friday night. As
we released the podcast overnight Thursday into Friday.

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It is a Friday night show where
Rafael Espinoza will defend the WBO featherweight

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title in Las Vegas against a fellow
countryman not really known. Sergio Chirino is

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his name. So let's get into
the preview mode because when last we saw

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Ramirez, great upset, when last
December, when last we saw Espinosa,

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excuse me? He beat Roba C
Ramirez last December, big upset, taking

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his title. They don't end up
having a rematch next. Espinoza takes this

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fight next and it headlights headlines the
Top Rank card Friday Night. Dan Rayphiel,

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Yeah, I mean listen. When
they fought in December, that was

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one of the biggest upsets of the
year. It was one of the it's

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not the upset of the year.
It was also one of the best fights

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of the year. A very dramatic, very exciting fight. Both of the

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guys got knocked down, but it
was Ramirez who who got knocked down in

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the fifth round. I mean,
I'm sorry he was Espinoza who got knocked

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down in around five, but it
was it was you know, he stormed

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back and dropped Ramirez in the twelfth
round, and that was very dramatic because

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he needed that. It turned out
to be a majority, a majority decision.

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He won on two score cards,
but the other card was one thirteen

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to one thirteen, and so with
that he wins the title. Big,

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huge upset. I mean, Ramirez
was cruising along against his past opponents since

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shaking off his pro debut pro debut
loss. He had defended the title impressively

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in Japan, and now they're moving
on to bigger and better things. This

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was not supposed to happen. This
is a guy in Espinosa, had been

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fighting for a buck's basically a decade, that had never fought anybody and was

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hand picked. Yeah, he was
big and tall, but by no means

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was this supposed to be a problem. He was fighting in Miami, which

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is where Robasi Ramirez is. You
know, his people are as Cuban countrymen.

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He lives in that south, in
South Florida. Now, so this

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was supposed to be him all the
way, and he didn't just lose,

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but he lost in very dramatic fashion. And so when the fight happened and

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he lost, Top Rank initially was
like, okay, we're in do an

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immediate rematch. The Espinosa team was
like, look, we'd like to do

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another defense. They said, okay, fine. Top Rank signed Raphael Espinoza

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to do a co promotion agreement in
recent weeks. There now partners with Zanfer

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Promotions, who they've done business with
for you know, decades. And so

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if he wins the fight on a
Friday against against similarly unknown Charino, who's

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sort of like the Rafaelspinosa was going
into the res fight, he's just as

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unknown as Espinosa was going to that
fight. Even alluded to that in the

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press conference that you know, I
want to do what he did and come

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out of nowhere basically win the title
in paraphrasing. But if anyway, if

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if Espinosa is the winner on Friday
and next week on the Tea Female Lopez

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undercard, you've got Robasi Ramirez in
a fight. If he wins that fight,

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Top Ranks plan is to do the
rematch between Espinosa and Rimirez before the

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end of this year. Probably you're
looking at like October November in that ballpark

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for the rematch. So there's a
lot on the line for Espinosa. But

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the thing I love about Espinosa,
and this is why boxing is so great.

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You're liking over after ten years toiling. You're like an overnight sensation.

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And he made the point in the
press Conferenceino talking through a Spanish language interpreter,

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that he's enjoying this. He's lily, he's taken in every minute of

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it. He's like, I've worked
hard, you know, I'm enjoying this.

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I just want to keep it going. I mean, it was very

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endearing. It's a very he's a
very likable, uh like a likable kind

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of guy. The way that he
was speaking about it, and in terms

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of Tirino, you know, he's
like, I'm here to tell the same

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story that Espinosa told, which is, you know, pull the upset so

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you know we're gonna win and uh
and and do what he did and pull

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the big upset. So and and
by the way, based on the way

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that Espinosa fought in the fight against
Robas Ramirez and just the general usual way

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that it goes down. When you
got to you know, determined Mexican fighters

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in there, one would anticipate this
will be an exciting fight. Well and

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again, uh, Espinoza lanky fighter, a little taller and very very tall,

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but he got the better of Ramirez
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So uh, let's see what this
looks like on on Friday night.

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And Robas Ramirez is obviously very interesting. I mean I put this on the

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Big Fight Weekend website. I mean
we're not talking about mega money, but

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the bigger money is in the Ramirez
rematch. And if Charino somehow pulls the

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upset, it screws that up,
it screws up the rematch Espinoza and Ramirez.

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And keep in mind down the line, for anybody, any of these

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guys who are featherweight titles in the
right circumstance over the next year or so,

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there's a pretty decent chance they're going
to get a chance. If I

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know you in a way and that's
where you're making huge money, your relative

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toody. So that is the main
event in the immediate co feature. Andres

408
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,160
Cortes, who's a Las Vegas native, unbeaten junior lightweight will fight your guy

409
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Abraham super Nova. We just saw
super Nova in February challenge Oshaki Foster and

410
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,480
lose on a decision in a fairly
close fight. Now Nova right back as

411
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,839
the veteran fighting the unbeaten Cortes.
That's the co feature. What about that

412
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,119
fight? And I know Troy Isley
is on the under card as well.

413
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,079
What else for Friday Night? Top
rank here? Well, the co feature,

414
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,400
like you mentioned, Cortes Noova is
a nice matchup. You got Cortes

415
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:59,480
a few years younger, undefeated on
the rise, and Nova a veteran with

416
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,240
you know, world championship experience.
There's only losses have come against like you

417
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:07,279
mentioned by decision to a Shaki Foster. He did get knocked out a couple

418
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,480
of fights before that in an eliminator
against Robesi Ramirez back before he moved up

419
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,839
to junior lightweight. So, uh, Cortes and Nova, they've been kind

420
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,160
of talking shit back and forth.
Cortes has really wanted this fight, uh.

421
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,559
And it's the kind of fight where
if Cortes can get to win,

422
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,119
you know, it should firmly establish
himself as like a as a as a

423
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,559
solid contender in this weight class,
So there's a lot on line for him

424
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:32,000
too, because he's looking to protect
his undefeated record and take that next big

425
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:34,799
step up to put himself in world
title contention, if you will, possibly

426
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:38,359
against o Shaki. Foster's also with
Top Right. And for Nova, coming

427
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,920
off a loss to Foster in a
world title fight, you don't ever want

428
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,720
to lose two in a row.
That that would be a very big detriment

429
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:47,440
to him. So I think theyre
both know that there's a lot at stake

430
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,319
for both these guys, and you
mentioned him at the other fight. Now

431
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,920
those are the two. His entire
card is only on ESPN Plus. It's

432
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,920
not an ESPN card, so everything
is available on the on the on the

433
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,440
app. But the fight before the
Cortes and uh and Nova co feature is

434
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,240
a very interesting prospect fight. Top
Rank has had been working with Troy Eisley,

435
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,400
who was a middleweight twenty and twenty
United States Olympian. It lives in

436
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,880
the town next to mine in Alexandria, Virginia. He's taken on Milwaukee's Haavier

437
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,720
Martinez, who's also been with Top
Rank for his entire career. Both these

438
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,319
guys are undefeated and now it's time
for them to fight in the pros.

439
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,440
I was a little surprised, frankly
when Top Rank made the fight. But

440
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,519
they're of the opinion of, look, you know, let's see what happens.

441
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:30,599
We're gonna roll the dice and we're
gonna put our guys in with each

442
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,559
other. And the thing that makes
it somewhat intriguing is that if you go

443
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,359
back to their days as top amateurs, they fought four times. It was

444
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,240
two wins for each of them.
Was it was Isley who won the first

445
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,359
two matchups in high level amateur tournaments, in the finals of the NEWS National

446
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,799
Championships, I believe, and then
it was Martinez who gets the wins in

447
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,599
the next two fights in the US
National Championships in twenty and eighteen, and

448
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:56,160
then as well as the twenty twenty
Olympic trials, you know, the US

449
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,960
Olympic team trials. So they've got
a lot of history with each other,

450
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,480
and they're both making the point that
I'm gonna kick your ass in the pros

451
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,759
because this ain't amateurs anymore. So
I'm very interested to see how these two

452
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,480
prospects do when they are in with
each other in a professional fight. Where

453
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,920
they know each other well from the
amateur ranks. And it's not that many

454
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,319
years ago, I mean twenty twenty, you know, in boxing years.

455
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,039
You know, it ain't it's not
that long ago. It's you know,

456
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,079
it's relatively recent times, I guess. So, you know, not not

457
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,200
big, huge, sexy names on
the under card, but those two fights

458
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,839
are intriguing for different reasons. Love
it first mentioned that we will handicap the

459
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,079
main event, the Espinoza title defense
on the bet Us Boxing Show one Eastern

460
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,359
time. That's coming on the bet
Us platforms, as we always say on

461
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,759
YouTube, Twitter, et cetera.
Check us out, we'll handicap that in

462
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,599
the weekend action on bet Us.
Okay to the news you gave us the

463
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:52,400
big news obviously at the top on
the the broker agreement with Ryan Garcia agreeing

464
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,680
to be suspended and forfeit a million
dollars of his perse et cetera. The

465
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,240
one point one millions, a few
hundred thousand among friends, I'm with you.

466
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,720
And also the most important thing is
the loss comes off Devin Haney's record.

467
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,359
It's officially a no contest. So
we covered all of that in the

468
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,480
news. There is other news since
you and I talked on Sunday night.

469
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,839
Hey, how about this. I
can't say that I'm that surprised that Jake

470
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,519
Paul is going to fight in the
interim, And it's interesting that Paul is

471
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,519
going to be back and Amanda Serrano's
going to be back, and the fight

472
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:27,720
card is back at a location where
they both fought before, where brother Raphael

473
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,440
Tampa, Florida, Downtown Tampa,
the home of the Tampa Bay Lightning,

474
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,720
the Amilie Arena. So Jake Paul
will fight a bare knuckle fighter, a

475
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,079
former UFC fighter, a guy that's
actually sparred with him in the past in

476
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,839
Mike Perry, and Amanda Serrano,
while waiting for this mega rematch with Katie

477
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,359
Taylor, will also take a fight. And I've got to be honest,

478
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,839
and I asked a couple of people
in Tampa boxing. I don't know anything

479
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,960
about Serrano's opponent, Stevie Morgan,
who lives here, who lives and trains

480
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,400
in Tampa Bay. I've not heard
no offense. Sorry, sorry, Stevie

481
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,920
the sledgehammer more Morgan, I've not
heard of her. But she is Serrano's

482
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,680
opponent and this is gonna keep the
date of July the twentieth, and it's

483
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,000
now a dizone pay per view.
All right, give us more? And

484
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,920
are you surprised at all that that
these two are still trying to stay active.

485
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,640
I was not surprised by this.
I'll just say that I am surprised.

486
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,720
It's right back here in Tampa Bay. So I'm gonna look to try

487
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:27,599
to cover this in July, which
we shall see. Yeah, I mean,

488
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:32,240
I was not surprised at that they're
fighting leading up to the November rescheduling

489
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,480
date for the Tyson fight. That's
along my off red. Jake Paul's a

490
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,480
young guy, doesn't need that's always
gonna go in the ring and you know,

491
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,519
do what prize fighters do, which
is fight for the prize, and

492
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,880
if he wins, you know,
they'll move on. You know. I

493
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,519
don't know much about Perry in terms
of his boxing ability, but if you

494
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,880
follow UFC and if you're interested in
the bare knuckles fighting, that's what he

495
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,640
does. Apparently he's pretty good in
those realms. We'll see how he does

496
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,799
this strictly a stand up boxer against
Jake Paul. I mean, so there's

497
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,880
some intrigue there because I guess in
terms of the you know among the u

498
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,240
because BKFC is growing that he's one
of the most if not the most popular

499
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,559
fighter on their roster. So we'll
see how he does again in a boxing

500
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,759
match. You know, they're making
it out like, you know, it's

501
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,319
my toughest fight, Bob. I'm
sick of that shit. It's not as

502
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:17,160
tough ast fight, but that's different
matter. So yeah, he's gonna fight

503
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,039
to fight and wait for Tyson still
to go in November on the they wanted

504
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,039
to preserve this July twentieth date.
I'm a little disappointed it's on pay per

505
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:27,559
view, but it is what it
is. As far as Serrano, she

506
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,079
is taking this fight. Amanda is
gonna fight, but Katie Taylor is not

507
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,160
gonna fight. She's gonna wait for
the November fight. But the plan for

508
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,240
sure is that as long as she
comes out of this okay, there rear

509
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,200
match will still take place on that
Jake Paul Tyson. Under and reminder,

510
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:44,599
Serrano was supposed to fight with Jake
Paul on March the second in Puerto Rico

511
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,279
and then had the odd thing with
the hair chemicals that got in her eyes.

512
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,680
Had her hair done literally about forty
eight hours before she was supposed to

513
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,119
fight, hair chemicals got in her
eyes and actually burned one of her hands

514
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:59,480
and could not fight. So she's
been off for a little while. So

515
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,759
this is again, this is a
stay busy situation for her. Well,

516
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,240
she's also going to take the opportunity
to do this fight in the junior welterweight

517
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,720
division. She's not going to be
defending her featherweight titles because she is fighting

518
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:13,599
Katie Taylor at one hundred and forty
pounds, So she's gonna do this fight

519
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:15,000
in that weight class. She has
fought in that weight class before, She's

520
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,599
been a champion in that weight class
before. She has won world titles in

521
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,359
what seven different weight divisions, which
is the record for women's boxing. You

522
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,519
talk about Stevie Morgan, she's got
a good record at fourteen and one with

523
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,279
thirteen knockouts, but if you take
a deep dive into a record, she

524
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,119
is probably one of the easiest opponents
on paper that the man has had a

525
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,319
very long time. Again, take
my word for it. I talked to

526
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,440
an in tune Tampa boxing person who
said I don't know anything about her,

527
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,279
for whatever it's worth. So there
you go, and it's not well the

528
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,160
reason I'm thinking a soft touch.
You call it a soft touch. Usually

529
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,480
this should be a soft touch for
Serrano. But you don't know. We'll

530
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,599
see, well, if you take
a look at her record, she's knocked

531
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,039
out bums in Colombia. I mean
no offense. That's what it is.

532
00:33:55,359 --> 00:34:00,119
When you're fighting those the types of
opponents that she's fighting in Colombia, and

533
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,440
you're now you're going in the ring
with Amanda Serrano. On paper anyway,

534
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,559
it should be easy work. And
by the way, you're not looking to

535
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:09,199
put a man of Serrano in a
hugely tough fight when you've got millions and

536
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,599
millions of dollars riding on a rematch
with Katie Taylor in a fight that people

537
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,800
actually want to see. No one
gives a shit about Serrano fighting Stevie Morgan.

538
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,960
They're putting this on the show to
keep her busy, see if she

539
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,159
can get a knockout and whatever.
You know, obviously you know I'm not

540
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,559
denigrating her knock in Stevie Morgan.
She's got a great opportunity to make a

541
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,679
name for herself against a real opponent
if she can beat a Mandatano. Not

542
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,960
not the no Council's been knocking off
in the first round in a series of

543
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,360
nothing six rounders in Colombia. And
one other note about this is when they

544
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,639
had that December of twenty twenty one
show, they packed the place. I

545
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,639
was there. I don't know that
this will sell out, but I wouldn't

546
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,559
again, this is a big fight
area, no pun intended on our Big

547
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:58,239
Fight Weekend podcast. This is a
huge boxing historical heritage area of the last

548
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,840
forty or fifty years. And Jake
Paul brings a different audience too along with

549
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,119
it. So let's see, let's
see what that looks like for a month

550
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,719
from now for July twentieth, and
again it will be a dizone pay per

551
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,159
view. I'm trying to recollect off
the top of my head. The other

552
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,039
the other fight in March was supposed
to be regular to Zone where Paul was

553
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:20,400
the co feature. Serrano was supposed
to be the headliner. They're trying to

554
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,719
make as much as they can out
of this and put something on. So

555
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,400
there's there's what it's worth added to
the pay per view list? Any anything

556
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,519
else there on that? Or shall
we move on? Are we moving on?

557
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:35,360
We can move on with the news
Uh, Canelo Alvarez and William Skull.

558
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,519
I'm about over asking you about perse
bid delayed, perse bid, perse

559
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,000
bid delayed perse bid. So I'll
tell you what happened, all right,

560
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:49,920
give me the update because this smells
this reek of step aside go ahead.

561
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,800
So they haven't actually said what the
permeters of their so called deal is yet.

562
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,639
I'm not really sure what the big
secret is. And I've reached out

563
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,519
to the IBF. The IBF says
they're not even sure about it, and

564
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,079
I've reached out to the Canelo team
and they don't want to talk about it

565
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:06,480
at the moment. But nonetheless,
they were supposed to be the purst bit

566
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:10,239
for his mandatory against William Skull.
Uh this past Tuesday. That was the

567
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,840
second time that had been postponed and
Tuesday was the new date. So you

568
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,320
figure, okay, what's gonna happen. As it turns out, they made

569
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,199
some kind of agreement. Uh,
the people that promote William Skull agon Sports

570
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,440
out of Germany. They made mention
of a deal on their Facebook page and

571
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,480
announce that there really has been nothing
publicly yet from the Canelo team. But

572
00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:30,199
the bottom line is they made it. Am I not mistaken. Can Interrupted

573
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,400
Agon announced they're fighting. Agon said
we're gonna fight in Canelo. I thought

574
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,360
they did. I thought they said
they were intimating we have a fight.

575
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,719
No, no, not to my
knowledge. And even if they did,

576
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,719
I don't think that's accurate. Even
if they made even if they said it's

577
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,599
even if they said they're fighting him, I don't think that means it's next

578
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:51,679
as in like September or whenever Canelo
laces them up the next time. What

579
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,480
it tells me is that they made
a deal. He'll probably fight on Canelo's

580
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,440
next undercard in the fall. By
the way, he fought on the Haimimongia

581
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,599
undercard that just took place in May. That didn't happen by accident. You

582
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:07,119
know TGB Promotions, which promoted that
event on behalf of Canelo. You know

583
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,079
they worked with him. TGB,
according to the folks at Agon Sports,

584
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:14,239
were the ones that worked out whatever
they worked out, So they were dealing

585
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,480
Canellos still been dealing with them and
PBC, even though he's not signed to

586
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:21,280
them or anything like that, but
theyre have some type of working relationship there.

587
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,920
And so the upshot here is that
most likely Canello is going to be

588
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,880
able to keep his undisputed title intact
for whatever his fallfight is, and they'll

589
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,559
put a Skull off for a little
while and at some point he'll either fight

590
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,000
him or by that time maybe I'll
have lost or I'll have vacated or whatever.

591
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,480
But we will not be put in
a position to decide if we really

592
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,400
care to buy Canelo Alvarez against I
can already weigh in. I'm not in

593
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,679
any position to care. I do
not care about that. They're not fighting.

594
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,079
They shouldn't be fighting. But all
right, let's see, let's see

595
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:58,119
where it goes from here. One
thing we know, William Skull's getting paid

596
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,800
for the step aside and probably going
to end up on a fight where he

597
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,719
gets a decent payday. So what
you gotta do is here, here's the

598
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,119
blueprint. Go back and look at
the history of the fights of one Bakra

599
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:15,039
Mirtaziliv. He had become the mandatory
when Jermel Charlotte was the IBF Junior middleweight

600
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,280
champion, and he went on the
way to defend and ultimately unify and become

601
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,760
undisputed against Castanio. They had to
go through two fights. After the draw,

602
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,400
he was supposed to fight Matazlov.
After that, they did multiple step

603
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,119
aside deals. If you take a
look at his record Matazlov, you'll see

604
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,480
he fought on not only Charlotte undercards, but other undercards at PBC and he

605
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:38,000
made seven figures in step aside money
just going along with the program to fight

606
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:44,519
on those undercards. When it came
time after Charlot lost to Canelo for Charlotte

607
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,199
to finally make the mandatory on the
day of the purse bid, he vacated

608
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,480
and then it was a couple of
months later where Matazlav fought Jack Colka in

609
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,599
Germany for the vacant IBF title.
He won the fight and now he's the

610
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:59,280
IVF champion, so he got a
lot of money, didn't after tango with

611
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Charlo, fought a much easier fighting
col Kay won the title and now has

612
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,079
the belt and we'll see what he
does in this first defense. So my

613
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,519
point here is this, this is
a blueprint that has been laid out.

614
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:12,480
It feels like what's going on with
Skull is going to follow that same situation.

615
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Take whatever he can get on these
undercards and make a lot of money.

616
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,320
Let Canelo do his thing, and
at some point Canelo will retire,

617
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
he'll lose, he'll vacate, whatever
the case may be. And at that

618
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,280
point, William Skull can fight whoever
the next available guy is for the vacant

619
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,960
title. Now, one thing I
don't like about that. It's fine if

620
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,679
your skull and you're willing to do
that. It's fine if Canelo is willing

621
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,119
to do that. In the IBF
will play ball. What I don't like

622
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,159
about that is everybody else in the
IBF rankings behind those guys. It backs

623
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,519
them up because it doesn't give number
three or four or five a chance to

624
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:46,039
ultimately fight for the belt. Agreed, no kidding, But here are the

625
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:50,760
games that get played at the top. And you know, and I don't

626
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,000
want to go down a rabbit hole, but these are the games that David

627
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,760
Benabitez has been number one in the
WBC and the interim champion for over a

628
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,159
year and he and he can't get
a fight, and the WBC won't do

629
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:04,920
anything to make Canelo fight him.
So in the IVF they ordered the fight.

630
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,039
The WS he'd never ordered the fight. That's true, there is definitely

631
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,639
a difference. One more news item, and that's Virgil Ortiz. We have

632
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:14,960
been wondering whether or not he would
be on the August third card. Tim

633
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:20,719
Zuo not able to fight because the
gash on his crown of his head from

634
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,360
the Sebastian Fundura fight from the elbow
and the loss in that fight is not

635
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,920
healed well enough. The latest is
now he's not gonna be on the stacked

636
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,360
August third card, but instead what
is what's his next move? What's up

637
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,360
here with this? So the bottom
line with this was the Saudi's Turkey al

638
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,480
Chic and the rest of the team
over there that puts these events together.

639
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,440
They were obviously really interested in Virgil
versus Tim Zoo what boxing fin would be.

640
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,559
That's a great matchup. But for
whatever reason, when the other possibilities

641
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,880
that were approached about replacing Tim when
Tim was not going to be available,

642
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,519
and they brought up names like Sir
Hey Boachik, who looked really good winning

643
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,039
the interim WCC belt on the Fondora
and Zoo undercard. He was a name

644
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,920
that was brought up. Ericson Lubin
was another name that was brought up.

645
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,199
The Olympian and recently signed a Golden
Boy fighter. Charles Conwell was brought up.

646
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,199
I mean I would have had no
problem with any of those three fights.

647
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,719
They're all interesting for one reason or
another. Maybe Lubin not as much

648
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,760
because I felt like he lost to
Ramos when they fought their fight. But

649
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,440
be that as it may, they
decided we're not going to put that fight

650
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,719
on. They were more interested to
reschedule the Virgil Ortiz against Zoo, perhaps

651
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,440
in one of the big shows are
doing in the fall in Saudi Arabia.

652
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,199
My sources told me that tim Zu
was not interested in fighting in Saudi Arabia.

653
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,760
So the bottom line is Virgil Artis
will have his own date in August

654
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,480
on one of Golden Boys shows that
are that are on his own, and

655
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,880
I think they're trying to finalize the
Boacheck fight, which is a good fight,

656
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,960
So we still may see Virgil versus
Boicheck, it just will be in

657
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,199
its own main event on a Golden
Boy de Zone card as opposed to on

658
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,199
what is still a stacked card on
August IRV that's headlined by Crawford and Madromov.

659
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:59,079
All right, you will keep us
up to date as you're always locked

660
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:05,079
in with the fight news nostalgia time. We were talking on the previous podcast

661
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,519
about Oscar de la Hooya and Shane
Moseley Staple Centered Well twenty one years ago,

662
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:14,480
Friday June twenty one, two thousand
and three, Lenox lewis final fight

663
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,719
with the Tally Clitchko for the heavyweight
title. You were right there for that

664
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,320
one. Roughly what three years after
dal la Hooya and most you had become

665
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,559
an La veteran at that point where
the d La Joya Mosley was your first

666
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:32,119
you now had become a vet of
getting in and out of Hollywood and all

667
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:36,519
of that. So what do you
remember. Obviously it's the final time we

668
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:38,840
saw Lennox Lewis. I covered a
lot of fights in Los Angeles, and

669
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,119
this is probably those two fights that
you mentioned Mosley de la Hoya, the

670
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:45,920
first fight and this fight are maybe
the two best fights I've covered in Los

671
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,480
Angeles, even though I've covered,
you know, quite a few of them,

672
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:52,960
both in Carson and Staple Center and
other venues in and around Los Angeles.

673
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,679
But look, this was one of
those fights where if you go back

674
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,159
and you look at the history of
how it came, that was a totally

675
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:01,079
like an accident that had happened in
the first place. First of all,

676
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:06,119
number one for many, many many
years from the moment this fight ended up

677
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,519
until just a few years ago.
This was the best heavyweight fight I had

678
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,480
ever covered, a tremendous, tremendous
battle. It was ultimately replaced by the

679
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,960
twenty seventeen fight of the year between
the Tally Clitchco's brother Vladimir Klitchkow in his

680
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,079
great epic fight with Anthony Joshua for
three of the heavyweight belts that took place

681
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,639
in Wembley Stadium that I was fortunate
enough to be ringside for, and then

682
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,719
as great as Lennox Lewis and Clitchcow
and Anthony Joshua and the other clitch Goo

683
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,559
where it was supplanted by what is
today the greatest heavyweight fight I have ever

684
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,920
covered, and that was the heavyweight
title fight, the third bout between Tyson

685
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,280
Fury and Deontay Wilder, which is
just another legendary, epic, all time

686
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,239
great heavyweight title fight. But Lewis
against Clitchkow was fantastic. But just to

687
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:51,599
explain what happened, they were supposed
to do a double header. It was

688
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,039
going to be an HBO pay per
view fight double header. Lennox Lewis was

689
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,639
in with one opponent and the tally
Clitchco was in with another opponent, and

690
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,280
the plan was do this as a
review and then when they both win their

691
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,119
fights, we will match them with
each other in the fall in the mega

692
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:09,360
fight Vladimir Vitally versus Lennox for the
heavyweight title. But what happened was in

693
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:13,360
a couple of weeks or so,
maybe ten days or so, was very

694
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,880
very close to the fight you had
Vitali Klitschkow's opponent Kirk Johnson. Take that

695
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,639
back, Lennox Lewis's original opponent,
Kirk Johnson had an injury, and when

696
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:29,239
that happened, rather than completely take
the card down, they basically said,

697
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,280
what about doing the fight on an
accelerated basis and forget this double header nonsense.

698
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,280
And not only did both sides agree, So I guess they paid off

699
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,840
the opponent for Klitchkow, who was
supposed to fight somebody else, Cedric Boswell,

700
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,239
if my memory serves and so Boswell, you know, I just say

701
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,239
to the audience, he's doing this
off the top of his head and comes

702
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,719
up with Cedric Boswell, which is
a name that I haven't heard in twenty

703
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,199
three five years. You're amazing.
I don't remember if Cedric Boswell ended up

704
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,719
fighting some other opponent on the under
party. Does anybody else the bottom line

705
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:06,719
remember it? Other than Boswell's family, nobody would remember it. Continue on.

706
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,119
We got Clitchco and Lewis is the
bottom line. So what happened was,

707
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:14,199
instead of going on pay per view, HBO, the big daddy of

708
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,440
the time, went beyond their normal
boxing budget. They went upstairs to the

709
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,880
top executives and got a special budget
grant. You know, there's anybody that

710
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,400
runs a big company always has some
money stashed in the in the emergency fund

711
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,440
and the rainy day fund, in
the piggy bank, however you want to

712
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,880
call it. And they put up
at the time an extraordinary amount of money

713
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,960
for a live network fight, not
pay per view. HBO paid ten dollars

714
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,960
to put this on the network live
from Staple Center. They made a big

715
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,400
show out of it, and Lenox
Lewis fought Clitchko instead of waiting till the

716
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,199
fall, and they took it off
of pay per view and put it live

717
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,159
on regular HBO. That is amazing. That'd be like if they took like

718
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,480
Alexander Usik and Tyson Fury and put
it on regular de zone or you know,

719
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:59,159
took some other megafight and put it
on non pay per view. It's

720
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:04,239
like unheard of. They made a
huge beez is suddenly on regular absolute same

721
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,320
sort of situation because this was the
heavyweight fight that everybody wanted at the time,

722
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,159
and so, uh, they fought
the fight. Now, Lennox did

723
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,159
not come in great shape because he
was training for a different opponent who I

724
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,000
think he felt was going to be
a pretty easy opponent relatively speaking, in

725
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:21,559
Kirk Johnson. Uh, but they
made the fight on short notice and they

726
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:23,119
went in there and they turned in
one of the all time classic fights that

727
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,800
was an absolute slug fast. These
are two very big men. One of

728
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,440
the rare times Lennox Lewis was in
with a fighter that was bigger than him

729
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,000
because flitzch Go you know, Lynn
Lennox about six foot six and Vitally is

730
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,360
about six seven six's eight,
a big, big, big men,

731
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,000
both heavy heavy duty punchers, and
they just went to town and they slugged

732
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,079
it out. And you know,
at the time of the stoppage, it

733
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:45,960
is a fact that Lenox was behind
in all three scorecards. But a lot

734
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,840
of people have said in a in
a derisively towards Lenox. In my perspective

735
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,719
is okay. He was losing on
the cards until he got the knockout.

736
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,239
What the hell is the difference?
He stopped him. It was a brutal,

737
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,280
brutal, brutal, hideous cut that
he in fled on clitch Go over

738
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,239
his eye. It wasn't from a
head butt, it was from clean punching.

739
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,920
He had multiple cuts. And remember
Clitchkow had had a lot of grief

740
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,719
against him because of the perception about
how he quit against Chris Bird with a

741
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,800
very severe rotator cuff injury that you
can't see. You can see a guy

742
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,760
when he's caught and bleeding, you
see a rotator cuff. All you see

743
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,360
is the guy's shoulder. You have
no idea what's going on. So he

744
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,559
got a really bad rap. They
called him bitch Go, they called him

745
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,199
quitch Go. It was like a
whole big to do when he quit that

746
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,840
fight. And so when this fight
was about to be stopped and he's bleeding

747
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,239
like a stuck pig and one of
the worst cuts I ever have seen in

748
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,880
my entire time as a boxing journalist
or as just a fan watching on television.

749
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,559
He was just begging to go on, and you know, but at

750
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:43,079
the end of the day, they
had to stop the fight. It was

751
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,880
such a severe cut. So he
he won back a lot of the people

752
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,079
that he alienated or made boo him
because of the balls and the heart that

753
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,000
he showed against Lenox to I'll back
you up just for this reference. If

754
00:47:55,039 --> 00:48:00,519
you remember just recently the tim Zoo
bleeding all over the place, This is

755
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:04,719
gruesome with that eye and bleeding from
that fight. When you go back and

756
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,840
relive it, and it's not a
surprise that they halted it and you were

757
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,480
right there watching the blood and watching
all of it. Yeah, it was.

758
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,119
It was a rough one. It
was a hell of a fight.

759
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,119
And you know at that time,
you know, there's been now many many

760
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,880
more major fights in Los Angeles in
the years that have passed incon but there

761
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,119
really wasn't a lot for a number
of years. There were not a lot

762
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,119
of big megafights in Los Angeles.
He had dale Oy and Moseley the first

763
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,320
one that we talked about. That
was one of them, and there hadn't

764
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,360
been a heavyweight world title fight in
Los Angeles. You know, in a

765
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,519
few decades, got to go back
a number of years before the right Fury

766
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:39,440
eventually fought Wilder in La in their
first place, like twenty nineteen. Right,

767
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,719
it took sixteen more years, but
you got to go back into like

768
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,719
I think the late sixties or early
seventies before there had been another heavyweight world

769
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,039
title fight in Los Angeles, so
that was another big sort of big deal.

770
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,440
There was a lot of conversation that
they would have a rematch. There

771
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,960
was a lot of people chasing both
guys around, throwing money around. In

772
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,800
the end, Lennox, you know, to retire, I think, and

773
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,039
I had this conversation with Lenox over
the years. He liked the idea of

774
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,920
everybody chasing him for the rematch.
He liked the idea of people throwing money

775
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,119
at him. But in the end, he just didn't like the idea of

776
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:13,960
going back to another training camp to
be in solitude for eight weeks to train

777
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,320
his ass off to go in there
and fight with Hell the Clitchkow. Lenox

778
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,719
had made huge amounts of money.
He was not a young man anymore,

779
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,119
h and he retired on top.
And I knew this at the time.

780
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,679
I said this to Lenox personally.
You know, if you don't come back,

781
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,960
your legend is going to grow with
every passing year because when I was

782
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,199
covering him as an active fighter,
Lenox got a lot of grief from a

783
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,360
lot of people. He never got
the respect that he deserved. I was

784
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,159
always viewed within the American boxing media
as a Lenox guy, and I'm proud

785
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:44,239
of that. I was a Lenox
guy, and he deserved the accolades that

786
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,400
he never got from a lot of
my ringside colleagues who treated him like shit.

787
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,679
I always gave him the respect that
he deserved, and he proved himself

788
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:57,480
because of the two shocker losses to
call and Rockman on the one punch that

789
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:00,000
they would never give you the credit
because despite that, he as you articulated,

790
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:05,039
and we've talked about it even recently. He beats Evander Holyfield. He

791
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:09,800
flattens Mike Tyson as well, and
that was yeah. But even before that,

792
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,440
he beat a lot of He beat
Tommy Morrison by knockout, he beat

793
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,880
Michael Grant by knockout. He'd beat
Andrew Gillata by knockout. He knocked that

794
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,800
Razor utick in a brutal you know
on a been a big time knockout I

795
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,239
mean he had he had beaten a
lot of good fighters. I mean he

796
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,639
was not beating bums. Uh,
he just did not get the credit because

797
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:28,440
you know, he wasn't. He
didn't have a big personality. He didn't

798
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,320
particularly love talking to the media.
I think they'd held that against him.

799
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,280
He uh, you know, he
spoke with the British accent. He wasn't.

800
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,079
He didn't. He didn't sound like
a tough guy. But he can

801
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,320
fight his ass off. And uh, you know it was it was proven

802
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,840
in this case because he stood up
to clipch go. Yeah, okay,

803
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,639
fine, he was behind on the
cards, but in the end, you

804
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,079
know, he he as I've talked
to you many times, he brought his

805
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,920
own two judges because those two judges, the left and the right, ripped

806
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,440
open one of the grossest worst cuts
he'll ever see and a heavyweight fighter any

807
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,960
fight for that matter. And uh, you know, I always respected Lennox

808
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,559
for the way he retired. Uh
he stay too long. He walked away

809
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,960
on top. You know, I
had an opportunity after his retirement to spend

810
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,000
a lot of time personally with Lenox
because we worked together when when I was

811
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:12,320
doing the job on the Epics,
Network as their analyst, and Lenox was

812
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,360
my broadcast partner, and we spent
a lot of time together. And you

813
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,119
know, Lenox is a good man, and he was a great fighter,

814
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,239
and this was this was the last
I mean talking about going out on a

815
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,960
high note. You fight one of
the great heavyweight battles of all time,

816
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:27,880
you retain the heavyweight title, and
then a few months later you have a

817
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,159
press conference and you announce your retirement
and you know, I just did a

818
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,960
very fast week and you stay retired, which is what your point is.

819
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,920
When he was tempted to maybe come
out otherwise, all right, Red a

820
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,400
great fight, that was though,
right. So that's the by the way,

821
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,840
when I talk about on the show
sometimes I'll say, I hope that's

822
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,639
like a good old fashioned heavyweight slobberknocker. That's what that was back now,

823
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,519
that was twenty one years ago.
So interesting on the weekend June twenty second

824
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:58,960
is the twenty second anniversary. The
year before same weekend, but the year

825
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:05,719
before Marco Antonio Brera Eric Morales two
won by Barrera in Las Vegas. You

826
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,000
were ringside for that June twenty second, two thousand and two. What stands

827
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:15,400
out as those guys fought epic,
epic fights. What stands out about the

828
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,000
second one? So this comes about
two years after their first fight, which

829
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,760
I had just been hired as the
boxing writer at USA Today but had not

830
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,400
yet started that job. So I
remember watching the first fight, which is

831
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,440
the classic first doubt of this trilogy, watching that fight knowing if I had

832
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,559
started, like a few months earlier, I'd probably be at the fight.

833
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:37,480
So that always kind of ate me
up that I wasn't able to be there.

834
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:39,639
But now you fast forward a couple
of years later, and I'm now

835
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,119
entrenched at on the boxing beat at
USA Today, and I go to Las

836
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:45,639
Vegas to the MGM Grand one of
the many great fights. We talked a

837
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:50,599
lot about the MGM history last week
with relation to their one hundredth championship event

838
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,920
with Tank Davis and Frank Martin,
but Morales and Burra, this was a

839
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,480
very highly anticipated fight. Morales was
the WBC's featherweight champion, Brera was the

840
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,639
clear number one guy besides him,
and everybody had anticipated this rematch. They

841
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:06,639
ultimately fought three times, with about
two years in between each fight, but

842
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,119
it was Berera that got the close
win. I split decision in the first

843
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:13,800
fight. A lot of people thought
that Eric rightfully should have gotten the win

844
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,519
in the second fight, I mean
in the first fight. Rather, so

845
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:20,320
they fought the rematch, and this
time it was it was a Morales victory.

846
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,039
In this fight, I mean,
this was it was the more tactical

847
00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:25,199
than the first fight, more tactle
than the third fight. If you wanted

848
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:29,320
to grade the trilogy, you know, sometimes there's that trilogy where one of

849
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,199
them is the one that sort of
maybe a little more forgettable, where the

850
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:36,199
other ones are the legendary fights.
Because number one is a legendary fight.

851
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:37,800
In number three was the fight of
the year that year, in a legendary

852
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,880
fight. But the second one,
on its own was an excellent fight.

853
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:44,880
But when you compare it to the
action that went down in the first two

854
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,199
fights, I mean, I mean, sorry, in the first and the

855
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:49,440
third fight, it doesn't really kind
of hold the cam to it. This

856
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,559
fight had also been postponed at one
point because of an injury, so the

857
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,519
anticipation was raised even more because it
had been put off by a couple of

858
00:53:54,519 --> 00:54:00,639
months. But another fantastic fight between
two great Hall of famers, and you

859
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:02,960
know, all you can say is
uh. It was just a It was

860
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,360
a great honor to cover, not
only cover their their trilogy. I personally

861
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,079
was at the second and third fight, but their whole careers. But they

862
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:14,760
are defined by their fights against each
other, not so much the second fight

863
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,079
in particular that we're talking about,
but the scope of the three fights,

864
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,360
don't I remember this from when we
were talking about it in recent times earlier

865
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,800
this year. They really hated each
other, genuinely, do I remember this

866
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,599
right? And they come to smooth
it over and have more respect for each

867
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:35,000
other, and that often happens after
their careers. But truly there was big

868
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:39,079
time hatred between the two when this
rematch was happening. Yes, more Yeah,

869
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:44,920
there was a big division among their
class within Mexico. Morales was the

870
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,480
Indian quote unquote from Tijuana, from
the poor neighborhood, and Brera was from

871
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,280
more of an affluent community from Mexico
City. He had gone to college or

872
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,000
shoul. I don't know if Marco
went to college, but his parents were

873
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,360
professionals. I think one of them
was a college professor, right was a

874
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,920
lawyer, so he was much more
educated than Morales. So it was like

875
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:07,000
a within within the for those of
us who are us gringos. You just

876
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,320
see their two Mexicans. So within
their within their Mexican culture, there was

877
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,760
a class distinction. It was he
Brer was the upper class type of guy,

878
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,719
the the wealthier guy with the education
and Morales was the guy that was

879
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,679
from the you know, from the
street, from the ghetto, that didn't

880
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:27,280
have the education, that came from
a much poorer, uh poorer background,

881
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,760
you know, growing up in a
small apartment above a boxing gym in Tijuana.

882
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,639
And so they clashed over that.
That was sort of the basis of

883
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:37,920
the rivalry. Uh, and they
there was really serious bad blood. Now

884
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,400
years and years later, Uh,
they were able to get to the point

885
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,000
where now I won't say they're friends, but they'll talk to each other.

886
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:50,159
They've had meals together, like I've
seen them do public things together. I've

887
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:53,519
seen them in It was Valdez,
wasn't it where they brought them together.

888
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:57,960
It was a it was a fight, top rank brought them together and they

889
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,719
were smiling, mugging of the cameras, sitting by each other without trying to

890
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,559
stab each other with plastic silverware at
a lunch. I mean they got along.

891
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:08,559
As my point, they brought them
in to help promote that fight because

892
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,920
the way it was positioned, and
I understand this that a lot of people

893
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,440
thought that that was a fight that
could be like one of the Bremralis fights

894
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,639
in terms of the action. And
by the way, it was a very

895
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:24,199
very close fight. Yes, Marco
Antonio Brera received the unanimous decision one thirteen

896
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,679
on two score cards, one sixteen
to one twelve on the other. But

897
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:31,199
Harold Letterman, who I mean,
if you're a boxing man, you definitely

898
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:35,440
respect Harold Leerman. He scored the
fight one fifteen to one thirteen in favor

899
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,760
of Eric Morales, so seven to
five on two cards one way, seven

900
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,360
to five on Harold's card the other
way. It was a really close fight.

901
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:44,920
I actually before we started to tape
this, I went to go look

902
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,159
up my scorecard and I couldn't find
my I have it somewhere. I have

903
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,840
noted all of the big fights I
have scored. But you've had a busy

904
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,840
Thursday. You've had a busy Thursday
with the Devin Handy stuff. I can't

905
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,960
remember how I scored that fight.
I mean, it sounds kind of crazy,

906
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:00,800
but I've been Fortunately you remembered Boswell
off the top of your head,

907
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:06,599
will forgive you that you can't recollect
twenty two years ago if you had Morales

908
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:08,880
or Barrera winning. I'll tell you
this though, because I had the end.

909
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,920
This was not the end of their
rivalries. The other point too,

910
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,719
which is you've been saying right,
because I fought two years later and one

911
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,480
of the greatest fights I've ever been
to. But the thing that's funny about

912
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:21,119
is I remember when having missed not
been a ringside for their first fight,

913
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:22,920
even though I had already been hired
as the boxing writer at the USA today,

914
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,599
like literally packing stuff while I'm watching
the fight, you know, in

915
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:31,239
my living room of my old apartment. When the rematch was made, knowing

916
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,960
I had missed the first fight in
those first few years of my time at

917
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,719
the newspaper and having been a you
know, being a full time boxing writer

918
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:43,400
in the early days of my career, I was as excited to go to

919
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:45,000
Vegas to cover this fight as anything
because I had missed the first one,

920
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,800
as I mentioned, so I was
as pumped up as could be, and

921
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,960
I had covered some other fights that
that Barrera had had in the interim before

922
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,800
he got the rematch, so I
had interviewed him a few times, and

923
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,599
I was just so super excited to
cover this fight. And and it was

924
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:04,079
a pleasure and a joy to cover
every Morales and Brier fight that I covered,

925
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:06,880
you know, whoever they were fighting
against, and to see these two

926
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,719
guys against each other at least two
of their three fights, you know,

927
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,079
I would say that's one of the
highlights of my time on boxing. In

928
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,599
the second fight, while not the
classic of one or three, was still

929
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,159
a worthwhile thing to watch. They
boxed beautifully and gave a lot of great

930
00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:22,000
action. That was a super close
fight. And again that anniversary is Saturday

931
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,440
the twenty second, twenty two years
ago, June twenty second, two thousand

932
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:30,320
and two. Man a lot on
the show, and again we head to

933
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,440
a weekend that has speaking of Vegas, a Vegas featherweight world title fight,

934
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,000
Waffi Lespanoza, speaking of Mexicans fighting
his Mexican countrymen in Charino in the main

935
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,519
event, Sergio Toarino. And again, as you hear us as we released

936
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:47,239
the podcast, that is Friday Night
not Saturday Night, Friday Night in the

937
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,920
top rank main event. Listen,
busy show, great job, I prop

938
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,000
you again forgetting Devin Hainey on and
I hope the fans enjoyed that. In

939
00:58:54,039 --> 00:59:00,639
the aftermath of the agreement, that
Ryan Garcia has taken a suspension and been

940
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,559
levied with the punishments and what's next
for Hani, we'll find out. You

941
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:06,639
heard him in his own words on
this podcast. That's why you need to

942
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:09,519
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943
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:15,960
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944
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:21,360
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949
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:43,360
We're off the weekend with the Fight
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952
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