Ello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the boys. Season four
for New Fucking WLS cast, it's a late one the season four finale review.
We are here at the end of it all, the penultimate season to
the final season. You know, think about that. I am the clown
Prince of Switching Tress Neil, and I'm joined by the souper syphilis Taylor Field.
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board boys, because we're hitting on some Death Cone five stuff. But what
do you think, Taylor of this episode and this being a close out for
the fourth season, and like I said, the set up for the last
season next year. So I was thinking, like, Okay, this is
Oh, that's not good. As we were going along through the episode,
I was thinking, like, man, I feel like it's like slightly underwhelming,
but just because I felt like we have so much that we still need
to cover. I feel like this is just like this is the finale,
and I feel like all the other finales have kind of really wrapped up that
season kind of in a nice bote, but left it open ended in a
relatively nice way that we know more is to come. This is the last
one, though, well that's exactly so when you get to the end of
this episode. In retrospect, I felt pretty good about it because I feel
like the ending justified and it reflected well on the events of this episode and
the season that this just really acts as that setup. And man, next
season is going to be absolutely bonkers as the final season, and I really
can't wait for where we're at because the things that are going on with some
of our characters here was great and I think that it It caught me actually
by surprise how this episode ended. I was not expecting it. There were
certain characters that had unexpected destinies, I will say, and that was quite
a surprise. But yeah, I'm I'm so excited to see what we get.
But I'm imagining we're going to get like gen V season two first,
and then we'll get Boys season five, which like I don't mind that,
but really, all in all, I just want I just want Boys season
five. I don't want any more gen V stuff, like I can come
after season five or something like that. So even if they just say,
like hey, because they've said you're not gonna like this, they said the
Boys doesn't come out to twenty twenty six, but then like, let's say,
if gen V doesn't exist, you just get no Boy's content at all.
So I feel like GENV with this season is going to be, uh,
it's going to be particular to what it's happening in this show. So
wouldn't you take gen V over nothing? Yeah, I can't answer. It's
not like they're doing gen V in spite of the Boys, just the Boy
Like I feel like it is kind of like, well, this is don't
even know if I would take it, because I just i'd watch it like,
man, this isn't the Boys. I just want the Boys. I
want I want all my characters back, like gen V. You know,
we do, we do, but I guess last season, right, there's
a chance at the very end. So after watching gen V, it was
just like, Man, I like gen V for what it was, but
I really wanted the Boys. The Boys just that special, like all those
characters like the Deep and Black Moar and just how they interact with each other.
You're not you show, Yeah, you're not. Yeah, what does
he say again, I'm responsible for racism? Whenever that first line was that
opening, Oh my goodness, I was laughing my ass off there with the
multiple jokes they're doing there. So is that all your roles, sir?
Yeah, it's a really good episode. Yeah, I am with and his
initial thoughts that I am underwhelmed. I don't think it is this season very
interesting. I'm gonna be interested to watch the season over in the past because
I do. I feel like I said it and now luckily I'm always down
for people to adopt it. But I feel like everyone's taken. They're like,
yeah, this is a setup season. I'm not saying like I said
to the Twitter, I mean like an our sphere of geek first people.
And that's where I do not think it's a bad season. I think the
show is good. It's not anything that I'm worried about. It's not a
step like. It is a step down in my opinion, but it's not
such a mass up down. I'm like, oh man, how they gonna
end this? I don't think that. I do just think that the last
three we finally got a lot of stuff happening. And I feel, like
I said before, there was a lot of character work in this season,
some good and justified in others. Just wait till I get to fucking Frenchy
Man, like just wasting my fucking time this show with this character. And
I like that character, and that's a good thing. That's the thing that
happens at least with the Boys, even if there's storyline you're mail on.
It's like, well, characters are well acted for the Westport, they're well
ridden. It's maybe the story around them that's not well ridden. But uh
yeah, so I this episode still was good, but I did feel underwhelmed.
I think it's the first time for me that the Boys ended. My
hair is a fucking disaster. As look, I just went from the I
got back from the beach, so it's like something else, you know what
gonna throwing the girls headband here? You know, look at this bustles some
rainbows. Yeah, it's the first time because like I can't say till we
get into spoilers, but I just I wasn't it should This is the setup
to the final season and some big stuff happens here. This is the first
season the Boys where I was like, oh my god, I can't wait
till next year as far as I can or whatever, the next season,
I can't wait. Like I'm excited because I like the show, but I
just me in the sense that I'm not on the edge of my seat.
Especially a lot of people be like I can't believe they ended on a I
don't care, I'll say it the end. They on a cliffhanger. To
me, it's like the cliffhanger is like a very eat like I feel like
it's gonna get resolved very easily. In like the first episode. I'd heard
that before, so I was like, fuck what happens and the Boys?
So maybe that was it too. But I think there's just certain choices as
well, that character choices, and you know, my spoilers, but still
it's people die all the time, certain characters meeting there and not a fan
of certain things that I think there's about two storylines where I just go,
well, wasn't a waste of time, but it definitely feels less than it
feels like when I have to rewatch the show. There's a few episodes in
season four well go, I don't know if we needed this, this could
have been different stuff. And there's a few other character choices too, So
overall, still like a good episode. I think the episode alone, I
think is like a seven at ten, some good comedy beat, some good
kind of twists, and reveal some good just shit hitting the fans, So
it's still good. I'll always preference that. I just think I am a
little underwhelmed, and I feel like all the Boys season finales have always been
a gripping rip it man. I need season five stat where I like I
do because it's the last one, that's why. But if if I didn't
know it was last one, that's where it start to worry. And this
is where I've said before, this is a good thing that's ending, because
I think sometimes shows run this, I think in that four or five six
territory and they start to run esteem and I'm happy that they go well next
year or whatever. Next season that's the last one, because all my kind
of worries are going, Okay, they're leading to, you know, the
grand finale, even if it felt like they felt hold some stuff back,
and again even in this episode, some of my issues are not that they
held stuff back. It was some choices I just just didn't jive with.
Overall, I don't think there's anything that I I hated or think it is
awful. I think there's one thing they do with a frendsheet that I'm just
like, man again. I just feel like this was they never know what
the fuck to do with these characters, in my opinion, make them really
interesting. So they wasted our time this entire season just to get us to
where we were last year again pretty much to like a few new developed and
it's like man like again. I feel like maybe they should just kill them
off at some point. I don't know. But I like Frenchie, so
I'm not that mad about it. But yeah, so good finale. Not
super strong. I think this season is a mixed bag, but overall because
the writing is clever and the performances are good and there's some cool moments.
Overall, it's still like we'll get into final thoughts and stuff like that.
I think I easily have this ranked last for the boys seasons, but still
like a good show that I was never like, oh man, we're you
know, like we've talked about with Acolade or some other shows lately, where
I go when this choice just doesn't make sense. I have a couple of
those with this show, but they're more to a minor degree where the shows
might miss up the really big stuff, where I think, for the most
part, the really big stuff is fine. There's one I want to talk
to about because I just don't know how I feel about it yet, but
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I felt like that the Shifter would be a little bit more. There would
have been a little bit more to that. But I feel like shifter I
put switching Oops. I ruined that that's okay in my game. I felt
that even Annie's kind of not fallout to it, but her her reactions not
good in my opinion. No, Like I think at the start it was
okay, but it's just wrapped up way too quick. I don't even think
of the start because and like, I'm not trying to make this super serious
because the boys does this and they have a tongue in cheeks sort of thing.
But like Koway, will Hue was sexually assaulted multiple times. He didn't
now but he said yes and willing, but he did not know this.
This person took advantage of him. It's the same to me, would be
the same way if someone sleeping with a talkskape person of they may say yes
to that moment, but they don't know what they're doing. So you don't
do that. You don't. That's a line, and that's where for me
how I get in shows I gotta do like how did you not know what's
me? But you're in the fucking Boys, where some of these characters,
like this character literally could become half a fucking yeah, her memory, so
that's her. I thought they made her go a little too hard on Hui,
especially because some people already I didn't hate it as much, but I
got the complaints, especially if people have suffered from it. Two episodes ago,
they did that with Hue right where he got sectually assaulted a bunch when
he was the web Weaver character, but that was all played for last,
and then again here it's not all played for last, but I feel like
it's I was kind of expecting the anti character to be a bit more I
won't say consoling, but not I was gonna not expect her to be as
hard as she was. As the point where it looked like they were gonna
break up again, I did not think we're gonna go that route because I
don't know. And he even made the speech about how he figured it out,
so I didn't love the handling of that. And then I agree with
you of like, if they're gonna make her mad, then I thought,
okay, they're breaking them up. I don't like it. But they made
her all really worked up to just kind of forgive him very quickly. So
at the end of the day, I kind of just wish that they she
just like they both felt shit about the situation, but not mad at Hughie
of just like, man, you know, even that little freak out she
did about hey, I'm not perfect to have all these issues, I'm nervous
this, I think you still could have done that without her kind of pointing
the finger being like you fucked that girl, like he didn't, like,
there's no way of knowing. And then when he did, he told the
mother's milk that hey, I think something's up. So it's not like he
just kept going around it. So overall that's a thing where the Annie problem,
Like again, it wasn't a huge portion of the episode, and they
did resolve it, so I guess I was, you know, fine at
the end, but I thought it was not the best choice for the show
and that character of Annie in my opinion, Yeah, I would like,
I think for the actress to be able to play that kind of villainouque kind
of approach. I like that she did a really good job. That was
that was a lot of fun. But yeah, the way that the Shifter
just kind of was handled, I didn't really uh for me. It was
just wrapped up too quickly. And I hate that they died. I want,
I do hate that they died. Yeah, because what are they Because
when Annie's skin was falling off, it was just like, you know,
like a skeleton bow muscle to shoot. Do they look like that all the
time when they're not somebody? Do they original form? I know that would
have been like maybe some people have been dis went by, but I thought
they were going to imprison the Shifter and they didn't. Any just broke their
neck. So they don't have any The Shifter doesn't have an original form,
right, because we've got some monologuing of them saying I don't even remember what
I used to look like. I touched my teacher's kindergarten teacher's arm, and
I iized, like they what they used to look like. So there still
was something, There was still an origin point of they looked like something at
some point, yes, but then it changed right once they got their powers?
So yeah, yeah, that definitely that's true. But yeah, I
agree with you good And I think she did a good job. I really
liked the interrogation of just like she's calling her al like, oh, you
you know, pretend this is a bad thing, but really you feel shitty
about it and you know you're a bad person. You're doing newis and oh
because you do this and that. So I thought she did a really good
job portraying both of them. And I think she just made the Shifter feel
really creepy, like and that makes sense because they what they're doing in Huie,
but just like something very off and unsettling about that character. So I
think she did a very good job of traying that because the other times the
shifter's been somebody, they've just been running or doing just random stuff. So
mm hmmmm hmm. Yeah, So I'm trying to think, is there's anything
else? Oh, I guess they got engaged, but we'll see if that
happens. Obviously they're in trouble. He's got to propose again, right,
because the engagement doesn't count. Let's see if they make it first, you
know, because who knows. They're all in trouble near the end there.
But I want to get your thoughts on Butcher because this is one where it's
not a native for me. I have to see where they go with season
five. I'm just in the middle of it, where this whole episode it's
I'm dying, I'm dying, I'm dying. They bring in Ryan, who
that to me is the same thing messy where I feel like each episode they
go back and forth of did they want to be the good kid that's gonna
turn or is he just like his dad? In this episode, like,
I don't know, it's weird that they've already even this season, they reemphasize
that they've given him kind of a compass to know what's right and wrong.
But then they tell everything about Homelanders done and his reactions to kill Mallory,
which you know, rip to Maley no other four seasons just gets fuck her
neck fucking broken. But so he's dying and then he just agrees to let
Jefford Dean Wargan te over. So for some reason, when he let jeff
for Dean Morgon take over, why is he just like Yield? Why is
he not dying anymore? Ah, I have no idea, I really have
no idea. It's just the v that he has. I guess, like
I really, he had told us it didn't work. Remember when hewing him
talked about it. I have no answer for this. I really am not
sure. I need more context. Yeah, so that's what I need to
see more and sho happened. But I just really hope it's not that like
it's a mental thing of like, oh well, we pretends to be the
bad person. He's healthy. I I find it just very odd. And
that's why again where this is when the or this is the weakest season.
They just spend this whole season building up that he's running down any time,
and then when he popped up in the clubhouse, he was just fine.
He was moving fine, his red eye thing was gone. So I need
some more. But would you feel justified if they say it's just like a
mental thing that when he pretends to Jeffer dein Morgan he can get rid of
it, because for me, that doesn't really work when they've spent the whole
season tell hims it's like a physical illness, you know, yeah, I
mean it's they're saying he's got tumors and everything going on. Right, six
months to live and he's near the end of that. Yeah, he's looking
pretty good considering. So I I don't know if they say it's just a
mental thing, I'm not really gonna buy that, and I I I honestly,
jefferdy Morgan was like, let me take over. So that's what I
took it as, right. Yeah, I just was kind of going into
this this episode thinking, Okay, he's gonna die here. He's gonna I
mean, I was hoping he wouldn't die here on that. No, he
didn't sound glad because yeah, he's got shit to do and I want to
see him have that face off with Homelander, and I feel like, Okay,
we're gonna get that and he'll die next season. Yeah he's him and
Homelander are gone. They're probably gonna just die together and something like that.
So so yeah, he gets that. Mallory, how do you feel about
Mallory dying? And God, what Ryan? Where are you a Ryan?
Because we've told those before where I felt like, you know, in the
last season they had him smile at Homelander killing that dude, So he's evil
and then a couple of times he's been good and then he's been evil,
and think of of course it is a younger teen character, so you can
say they're changing with the wind. For me, I think that gets you
only so far. But uh, And I'm sure he didn't mean to kill
Mallory just like his mom, but he did. So what did you think
about that whole scene and engage or sequence there. Yeah, Mallory definitely didn't
approach it right, and I think it could have gone a lot differently if
she just stayed calm and allowed Butcher to keep doing what he was doing because
what he was doing was working. And I like that moment between them,
but I think she was just worried Butcher is going to die before the plan
worked, right, probably. Yeah, so she ruined it, she botched
it, and that's unfortunate because she paid with her life for that. So
you have that. But Ryan is an interesting character because again he doesn't.
I like what Butcher said to him, like, am I I promised your
mom that I would keep you safe and if the safest place is in the
tower with Homeland, or if that's where you think the samest place is,
then I'll let you go. Like I love that so much, Like that
was a great line, and I think that that really swayed him over.
But yeah, him, he's just a very conflicted child. I don't know,
like it's a lot of pressure to just to dump on him, saying
you need to kill your dad. That's not gonna sit well with any child.
That wasn't the great method to do it. It's not the great or
the fact that your dad raped your mom or like they're just they were not
stacking their cards very well in this moment. So I understand why he got
conflicted, and it's unfortunate that Grace should not have pressured him like that.
Grace should have just understood, like, hey, you're not gonna be able
to contain him. He's already at the door, so he can leave whenever.
And I mean, that's what he did, and she paid for it
with her life, and it's unfortunate we didn't get her the season at all.
I think this just like this is the only time, and she threatened
them with those concrete floors or wash like I can see la it and stuff.
So yeah, it wasn't the grace, but I do I guess I
didn't have a problem with her dying because I just felt like she was desperate
and especially with everything that was coming down with Newman being exposed, et cetera.
With Butcher but die, I think she was literally just doing hell Mary
because she thought, man, if this could go back to him, that
could be the end of us, right, So that's why I was kind
of fine with from her perspective. Again, for him, it was an
acciment for him to kill her. That's a that's a big set for the
character. So we'll see again. I don't know what's gonna happen. But
do you guys think the Gemon will show up in The Boys season five?
I don't know who that is, so don't If you can explain it cycle
Man in a non spoil, like a non spoiler, don't give everything away,
then great. Because even today I've seen there's like a picture This is
not a big spoil for your tail, but there's a picture from one that
I'm guessing near the end of The Boys, and it's like Butcher standing from
the White House and then there's a bunch of soups flying in the air,
and they recreated that poster with Homelander and stuff. So it's like an illusion
for what's gonna happen, right, So, but yeah, I don't know
what you Man is because we I've never read I've read combooks, Big Marvel,
DC Guy, but never had read The Boys, and I might even
though I hear from everybody that the show is like miles better than The Boys,
that they do the adaptations much better, and the Boys is way more
kind of even more trying to go for the shock value stuff. So I
don't think it's on the high immediate list. But uh so, yeah,
Butcher gets there, there's all of office we're in tuble with all the other
characters as well too. But he gets to the clubhouse. They're making up
this idea for Newman's gonna turn us off in expose all stuff because she's lots
of vaught info. Yeah, all that could jazz right, And because later
or earlier we learned that in of course, all the files were deleted,
And I guess I should mention this for this portion where they're on the news,
their version of Fox News, and Homelander wants her to meet she's a
soup. She won't, so he just lasers her in the face, doesn't
do nothing. So that's where it's it's interesting because I did I thought they
maybe made Newman a bit weak because I why would she not just try to
pop home at her head. That's why I was sitting the whole time,
you know, because I just I feel like she would know he's crossing line
and can't be contained, so you have to even contain it yourself. And
it's not like it worked out for because she was a goner anyways, right,
So I yeah, I don't know. How how do you feel about
even just Newman overall in this episode with the reveal of her to the world
being soups the president. You know, they framed him for the murder,
I guess, but then they framed some other people. But and just the
fact of you know, she's she's gone. You know, she's a big
character for multiple seasons and just like that, it's over with. Yeah,
I I was surprised that they killed her off. But again it's it's something
that I blame it on Ryan, because Ryan, I mean, he could
have just made the right choice, and Butcher would have been like, oh
good good son, good son, and then not gone off to go kill
her. So it's very unfortunate, but this is where we're at. I
think it was kind of a It's a sad callback because her daughter goes to
the Red Room Academy or institution, which is very saddening. But John Carlow
Desposito is still out there, right, so he's got a yeah, I
guess. So the last time we saw him he was with Newman, right,
so I wonder what happened to him so freedom, But I get yeah,
I just thought they were together. But were you fine with her meeting
ran like that, like being done with the show or do you think there's
gonna be a bit more meat on the boat? And also the same thing
I said that I found as a call on or an issue. Did you
find she just kind of gave up after Homeland and reveal this stuff? Like
because we always wondered like could she pop home? Onder his head, and
I thought we I thought she was gonna try and then it wouldn't work and
it be like a fuck, I can't do it. But I guess I
just didn't buy her. Just she felt like way too much on the Defense
after that secret came out. Yeah, she was in the Defense, And
I like how Holmander was just phased out and ignoring everything that was happening in
that interview, and so basically he just, yeah, he just lazers her
and then she just like her eyes glaze over and it just is all downhill
for her. So yeah, yeah, I didn't again hopfefway till next season.
I always had issues the Butcher things. So when he came back looking
all perfect, I was like, Okay, what's going on here, and
the fact that he killed Newman, I don't know. I felt like they
were they made a good case in the episode to sell even though she was
maybe enemy number two, why she has to stay alive and for Butcher just
to kill her again. This idea of oh if Butcher's kind of mentally possessed
by the spear Jeffery de Morgan, who's willing to do his violent stuff,
that doesn't really interest me because I liked that last season Butcher we got a
character of arc of him really caring about the boys and Hughes specific right where
they did that, and they kept them away from the boys a lot this
show, and I feel like they didn't interact. They kept they kept writing
in that him and Mother's Milk were getting together. Right, So I was
not a as of right now, I was not a big fan of him
just coming in and killing Newman. I thought it was kind of done for
shock value. In my opinion, it just was odd to why he was
so gone home just to make sure she should die. You know, yeah,
I mean she's definitely a serious threat, so there's that. But I'm
with Hue, it would have made more sense to kind of have her in
your court, I think as far as Yeah, she's definitely a very powerful
ally, So it's unfortunate that she's gone and you have the tentacle stuff was
just brutal. Jesus. Yeah, no, that's uh, that's that's unfortunate
to say the least, especially because I guess her daughter would have saw that
too, even though she got knocked out. Imagine her daughter's waking up.
And I guess I will say shocking. Did not think new was gonna get
it. Did not know. I know, Uh, home Lander had said
he had took temp veee, but we weren't sure just v in general,
but we weren't sure. If you got any traces. He didn't show anything,
but his powish is like a technical thing, and uh yeah, it
makes an orphan there and then oh god, what happens after that? He
just kind of he's gone for the episode. Next time we see him was
at the end, right, Yeah, yeah, and I really liked his
called a hueye, So I liked that but nice. Yeah, So I'm
I'm mixed a positive on it. Need to see more, but uh,
I digress. He's the only one who escaped at the end, driving away
listening to his music. Yeah, and he's gonna be want to break them
all out. That's why it's like for me, it's like everyone's like on
a cliffhanger. It's like, is it cliffhanger? I feel like we just
know that he's gonna give no fucks to go around and want to break him
up in my opinion, So, uh, I guess we'll see. Uh,
let's see. So Homelander, I guess we've talked about him, but
kind of talked about around him. His first plan of killing no new been
with the with the shifter that didn't work. So he's just an emotional wreck.
After he's crying on the couch she had And eventually Sage does come back
and reveals that even if some of the things in work, she's kind of
been working behind the scenes on certain things to expedite this process. So what
were your thoughts there? Sorry expedite which process? Gosh, who was just
talking about I just slipped now too, we just double slip. Oh my
goodness, what was uh? Oh holeblander Because with Sage she was talking about
you remember, she was talking about that even if even if she like it
was her his issues right, like her, he was bound to make mistakes
and it yes, and she was like covering for those as well. Yeah,
I think it's I think it's I don't know. She I feel like
I have to attribute to her because they got the result kind of what they
wanted. Like she said, it was a little hard to get there and
it was a little murky. But it also to me feels like, hey,
you're this guy that's in the room and you're trying to show off what's
going on. It's a whole bunch of mistakes happening. Be like, oh
no, I meant for that to happen. YadA YadA. Yeah, when
Newman's like you gotta take prisoners and he's like, all right, yeah,
I do that. Yeah that's exactly it, and so yeah, just very
very bold. But she's like, oh, we're gonna go to phase two,
YadA, YadA, YadA. I feel like she's she's she's got her
plan, and she's the showrunners aren't even really properly letting the audience know what
the plan is, so it's hard to follow along with it. I just
feel like at this point, she's taking credit for just the different small victories
that happened for the Soups, So I don't have much else I can really
add to it, aside from I mean, it's probably not the last time
that we're gonna see her get hurt. No, she's the lobotomy. Yeah,
well she's definitely gonna get fucking destroyed too, I mentioned at some point,
But yeah, and interesting scene a Homelander when he was just convinced that
she left, he's, oh, I threw like trash. I'm not saying
they're gonna become a romantic item, but I'm feeling that they're definitely gonna be
more bosom buddies come next season, because it felt like he really appreciated that
she kind of stood up still by him. Right, other stuff that he's
doing this episode, he's looking at his pubes again for some fucking reason.
He even says, I just love disgusting, like he's just disgusted with himself,
you know. Before we continue, Cycleman Claify said, well, but
it's basically the X Men and the Boys universe, so they have time for
that. There's always a chance I could see them easily if you ask me,
other than like a cameo or looting or just like a scene over the
side, I would say no, but I could see there being some sort
of X Men type team in here, because they try to parody everything,
So if they're in the comics, I could see them trying to make that
and maybe Butcher works with them or something. I don't know. What do
you think about this idea of the X Men kind of light in the Amazon
runs the Boys. That's a cool kind of concept, Like I think we're
definitely getting that, Like through the Seven I would say, but I imagine
this would be like a good version of that. But it's hard because like
all the soups that are trying to turn to good, like Newman, are
just being killed, right, So yeah, it's hard to say if we're
gonna get that. She was turning good, but it was a very last
minute turning good. Let's be honest. She threw in the flag when like
she literally had no other options. It's not like, well, you know,
this is the right move to do. Her daughter is well to be
killed. She got killed. I guess she probably shouldn't have taken that deal.
But super Mike says, like the season overall, but definitely the week,
guess feels like a part one when they split the last book in the
series of two movies. I could agree with that. This definitely feels like
that part one, itis and everything. So I really want Soldier Boy to
fight beside the boys against Homelander. That's what's tough, because yeah, that
was the it's not an end credit but semi credit scene where Homelander has been
given the information where he can find god what's his name, Soldier Boy.
I don't know because last season they made pretty clear that he wants nothing to
do with him because he thought he was a disappointment. Now I wonder if
he's gonna wake him up when you know this, like Homelander is happy with
the world so that he can be like, look what I built, you
know, the same way you know you want me to do something. But
uh, yeah, I I don't know how to feel with that one.
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly where I where I stand with that either.
That's I feel like it's something we're just gonna have to see how it plays
out. Yeah, let's see you there. So what else have we talked
about? We talked about Homeland. Oh right, he also got Matt at
Ryan because he found that picture of Butcher. So he freaked out again,
Why would Ryan leave that out in the open like that he was in a
backpack but like his shit was everywhere in the main living room. Well and
it's like it doesn't matter too because like Comelander can see through a backpack,
right, It's like you gotta get that out of there. But yeah,
so we talked about Ryan a bit. There wasn't much more Homelander stuff going
on, but yeah, I just and again I thought that what they It's
interesting because they did hit upon that again remember the whole uh you know,
where he grew up, and they talked about how you're always gonna need kind
of approval from somebody. When he found Soldier boy, he was like weeping
over his fucking like frozen body. So it's like the guy told you who
you were, disappointment of fuck off. So I really don't know what's gonna
happen there, but I guess that will make it could play a lot with
Ryan still around Homelander and a big threesome of like son to father to grandfather
and away right of everything. I would actually like if Soldier Boy has a
liking to Ryan and doesn't like Homelander. I think that would be really really
good. But even if Butcher's gonna die, I feel like Ryan, I'm
still going with Ryan has to be the one to kill Homelander. Do you
agree. I feel like it needs to be that way, but I don't
think they'll do it that way. I hope it's Butcher because Butcher I think
deserves it. But I just felt that that's how they're gonna do the I
don't know the send off is that's how always the new soup, and this
time he had to kills fathering it. So I really don't know. I'm
trying to think. Obviously, Firecracker not going good. That medicine seems to
be a backfiring, but better in the back half of the episode. But
it did. It's funny though, I thought for sure, and so I,
you know, worked myself into a shoot here brother they I thought for
sure when she was coughing that somebody meaning Ashley had like picked like like used
that virus on her, because the way she was coughing, her water,
her makeup's running, her eyes are starting to water. I thought for sure
it was not it was gonna go the route that I pitched. I thought
for sure. Oh my goodness, I just lost my train. Thought I
was having these late night reviews. What was I just talking about? Now?
What? I what was I just talking about? You're talking about what's
his name? Soldier boy? No? No, no, I thought I
talked about Soldier Boy already. Oh, fire cracker. I thought for sure
she got sick. I thought for sure she was probably virus. So I
was gonna laugh if fucking Homelander was giving her a bunch of shit and she's
just dying on them. But no, I guess she's just having a allergic
allergic. I just probably something not good for the body. Shouldn't' probably not
supposed to be producing breast milk when you're you know, not preyingnant. But
she survived. They had this whole thing where they're gonna start killing Vought employees
that they didn't trust, and then eventually as she figures out that she was
on that list, and man, I was so excited. I know,
you know, Cycleman. You say, oh, I really want Soldier Boy
to fight with the boys. I was pitched just a couple of weeks ago.
If like, I really want Ashley the team with the Boy some way
together, and I think it's gonna happen. I don't know what power they've
given her. I feel like they're going to give her a power that's not
gonna do well for Like, I don't think she's just gonna well, yeah,
that's about it. But I was disappointed that we didn't get to see
the power. I thought for sure we'd see it this week. It's Deep,
Well it did sound painful. Yeah, they had that moment with Deep
fucking be like, tell me on the smartest one, tell me actually the
smartest one other than Homelander, and then he kills the guy. So uh,
they they've I'm happy for that. I can't wait for the Deep just
to get fucking destroyed next year again. A character that doesn't need any uh,
doesn't need any redemption. So uh, let's see, given that Soldier
Boy's old fashioned, that might not like the world Homelanders trying to make.
I agree, Like, I just feel like, from Homelanders point of view,
there's no way around this other than I guess that's just hey, I
became the ruler slash dictator of the world. I am a worthy successor of
you. I don't know, it's a it's an aw thing. So yeah,
let's see. So we had firecrackers, she was killing people. She
was like run after people dying. Got some more black and noir in there,
which at one point he just had a heart on after he killed somebody.
So murder boner that that's something that killed the wrong Yeah he did.
I don't know. There's so many fucking girls name ash I can't tell you
who it is. So were you disappointed when you get to see what Ashley's
power was? Yes, and no, I'm very curious what she has going
on. I totally forgot that she has a wig, so I thought this
the juice just totally the just fucked her up and her hair just fell off
immediately. So yeah, oh god, can we go in friends? Shee
I. We talked about this at the beginning of the season. Seems like
for the fast Free seasons, seems like they're sent up to be a couple,
but they're going a different route. Sure, we'll go with it.
I didn't really like the right with the route with I think his name was
Ryan and he killed his family. And I don't know if you liked I
don't think you no, so but for me now it's like we need rewatch
this. Other than even then, I don't think any of it had a
meaning because the one storyline was, hey, I've done a lot of bad
things. I should go to prison. What happened, Well, Mallory got
him out of prison, and you know he's gone. So then also we
had this idea of well, him and Comico can't be together for some reason,
and what do we do here or together? I wish they just put
them together in the first episode. Here do some of these storylines with them
as a couple. But sure we got her first words here of her saying
no. But I do agree with some people that maybe I love you would
have been better. But I again, I like these characters. I just
think this whole thing was messy, and I feel like they thought, well,
we can't just put them together right away, so let's create some obstacles
that maybe don't make the most sense, and then eventually we'll get them back
together. So I felt like, not incompletely for their maybe not Comico's story,
but more so French She's I feel like was a waste and I feel
like in general just not I don't know, it just felt like a waste
of time. Now now that we know they're just they got there together now,
you know. Yeah, I agree, it's it doesn't make sense to
have him go to prison, I guess jail throughout the first half of the
season just to hie him away. I don't know. He overcomes that,
and so does Chemico as well. But as much as I like both the
characters, I don't think they were utilized very well in this this season unfortunately.
But I really like Frenchie and I really like Chemiko. So them being
kind of a thing right now is it's good in my books. But yeah,
I just I feel like it took too long to get here. We
didn't need to waste and do all this membo jumbo that's now completely irrelevant.
It's not going to be called upon in you know, the final season at
least, I don't think it would be what them being together. No,
Like just like French, like he's journey and all that stuff too. Probably
not they just accepted of like, well, we're right for each other.
We don't have to be the best and moving on, which is like,
it's all right, but I just I don't know. It just felt like
they maybe could have done this episode one, but they're like, well,
we don't know how to write this relationship with these two, so let's have
them broken up and him can be with somebody else. Ninted, so again
happy they were together, but just didn't love the journey we got to.
We talked about Butcher, we've talked about Hueie, talked about Homeland or Mothers.
Didn't do too much in this episode. It did a lot save but
nothing with his family or anything like that. Trying to think what other characters
may I miss that we hadn't talked about yet. I really liked the opening
of when it was like I said, I'll get the exact statement here that
fucking the deep said where is it? Oh, I don't see it here,
but yeah he did. They were just talking about like racism in a
video and he was like, I am responsible for Oh, I take the
responsibility for racism. So they just make it sound dumb. And then they
also talked about they had a whole movie shot but just ex accident they made
a background joke. So that was funny enough. I'm sure to think,
is there any main characters we haven't touched upon yet or storylines talked about Newman
her daughter talked about them. I think that's it. I think. So
I'm trying to think of any other storylines, but I can't really think of
anything. It's just it's just it's a big setup, right, Yeah,
you know, I should think that there's anything else, but I think,
yeah, we mostly I think we mostly covered it. I guess, yeah,
we forgot to say. Yeah. I did say a little bit Newman's
dead, that they framed the president for it, and now they have a
president in office that like wants to be This first call was to like be
indebted. Yeah, and even in the middle of his like acceptance speech,
Homelander like interrupts it and takes it over and everything. So that's gonna be
interesting and scary and it's it's it's weird because I always thought this one was
gonna be the route we'd go. I thought Homelander one day would snap and
then we'd see it. But it feels like it's just gonna be more than
the guys. He's gonna do bad stuff. But it's like, oh,
he'll have liars to tell people for the greater good. And then I get
worried that when Homelander dies, there gonna be like fucking statues of him,
right, like they'll think he's oh you know, and I mean he did
kind of snap this episode. I feel like with him, like Ashley,
get me a list of all the people that have dirt on us and then
kill them. It's like, well, that's snapping. That's definitely snapping,
But like the public wouldn't maybe know that, right, Like it is snapping,
But I meant like a public we got that last season. But I
meant like killing many people in the public and heroes and stuff, which I
think we'll definitely get next year at least. Yeah, that's true. Anything
else, can't think of anything, can't think of anything? Then what would
you rate this season at a ten overall? Oh, I would probably go
I'd probably go eight out of ten. And I'm not giving it like I'm
pretty sure i'd give any other season higher number. But I'm going with the
eight just because I feel like there's some things that are I don't want to
say filler, because with the Boys, even the filler episodes always feel like
they're moving the narrative forward, but I feel like we just got some stuff
that wasn't necessarily done the best of ways in the show or the season.
Sorry I should say, but I understand it's also a setup, and so
it just comes down to personal preference, where like set up stuff just gets
a doctor point or two and I understand that it needs to happen. But
that's why I like the other seasons more because you get a season that's start,
middle, finish and it wraps up its whole season of events in a
bow, but it leaves things open ended a little bit. Like with Stormfront.
I feel like that season introduced her and then it wrapped everything up with
her in a great way, and it was like, holy crap, this
is this is nuts. But I'm just telling myself that the next season will
be, uh, it'll be heavily just balls to the like getting in.
It's not gonna have any set up stuff because we've already gone through all the
set up stuff. It's just gonna be crazy. I think there could be
like a setup for episode one, maybe episode not one, but I could
see one set up episode still doing a soldier boy and what Butcher's been up
to and the Boys and Annie and everything like that. But I'll go one
point lower. I'll go seven tout ten. I think this is the first
time I've gone that low. I think all the seasons have been nine or
higher. I don't think I've ever given a season something out of ten because
I feel like there is always some storyline, like some of the Deep or
someone. I'm like, oh, we don't need so much of this,
but last we got it. So yeah, I gonna go seven. Seven
is my range of like I'll rewatch things. I think this is more of
a season that I would No. I guess that's a weird thing. I
don't watch seasons TV just by themselves, other than maybe Dexter Breaking Bad.
But I always start I'll be like, oh, just watch the first thing
that I keep going, so for me, I can't do that with the
boys, so I'll have to watch these things. But yeah, so it's
not that to me, is like a good It's a good season, but
definitely the weakest and definitely some just kind of minor head scratching choices and just
a few you know force, I know we just did act like this week,
but you know, no punic tended just like forced issues there. So
yeah, anything else, uh where's that? It's for the voice and it
was interesting to see what Butcher's gonna do with the virus. He managed to
get it from Frenchy, So yeah, that's it's a big one. That
is hopefully can I don't know. I was gonna say Mass produce it,
but I don't trust Butcher, you know, I really don't, not because
eventhing it will set off. I just think he'll make something that could screw
it up or something. So but yeah, we will be back for season
five, maybe the trailer whenever we get that years from now. And I
promised you it'll not be boring.