1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:06,599 Ello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the boys. Season four 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,199 for New Fucking WLS cast, it's a late one the season four finale review. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,280 We are here at the end of it all, the penultimate season to 4 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:22,440 the final season. You know, think about that. I am the clown 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Prince of Switching Tress Neil, and I'm joined by the souper syphilis Taylor Field. 6 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:31,079 Oh boy, it's not what you want to get, but yes, 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,640 ladies and gentlemen, go check out. There's lots in the feed right now. 8 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:40,159 There is the finale review for Accolyte. There's a big old three hour 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,799 newscast which was I think maybe our best newscast year. I think we had 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,399 lots of fun on that one. That was just like I think that that's 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,200 those are the ones that we keep going too long. That's why, because 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,200 we're having a good time, you guys just review Twisters. So check out 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,600 that. That'll be on the feed the same time this is, and then 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,399 there's this and then next week. Lots a bunch of good stuff are really 15 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:02,640 good. Side Quest episode, we got comic Con coverage and dead pul Wolveren 16 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:03,840 is a week away Taylor. At this time, we would have seen the 17 00:01:03,879 --> 00:01:07,599 movies. So yeah, and we're doing Comic Con predictions, so you want 18 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:11,319 to subscribe next week with lots of stuff, and then two weeks from now 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,920 August ser Geek first Day. Oh god, I'm not gonna give you whole 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,359 roll, but four events eight our stream to celebrate the nine year anniversary. 21 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:23,040 There's a way to make that stream go longer. To support us on Patreon. 22 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:26,319 You can find all the details there. But there's Geek Versus, our 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Debate of Fighting Dead, latest War of fictional characters. We got our twenty 24 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:34,560 twelve Golden Geeks, which is our oscars. We have the Trivia Battle, 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,920 which we did just did all the roster reveals on the last news episode, 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,120 and then me and Taylor will be wrestling in our fourth match to you know, 27 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:47,159 settle some squabbles and everything like that. But luckily, you know, 28 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:49,200 sometimes the geek versus like civil war, but not like what's going on the 29 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:53,799 board boys, because we're hitting on some Death Cone five stuff. But what 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,719 do you think, Taylor of this episode and this being a close out for 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,400 the fourth season, and like I said, the set up for the last 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,879 season next year. So I was thinking, like, Okay, this is 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,800 Oh, that's not good. As we were going along through the episode, 34 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,560 I was thinking, like, man, I feel like it's like slightly underwhelming, 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,599 but just because I felt like we have so much that we still need 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,400 to cover. I feel like this is just like this is the finale, 37 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:23,879 and I feel like all the other finales have kind of really wrapped up that 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,199 season kind of in a nice bote, but left it open ended in a 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,879 relatively nice way that we know more is to come. This is the last 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,000 one, though, well that's exactly so when you get to the end of 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,280 this episode. In retrospect, I felt pretty good about it because I feel 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,240 like the ending justified and it reflected well on the events of this episode and 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,039 the season that this just really acts as that setup. And man, next 44 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,479 season is going to be absolutely bonkers as the final season, and I really 45 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:55,080 can't wait for where we're at because the things that are going on with some 46 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,919 of our characters here was great and I think that it It caught me actually 47 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,439 by surprise how this episode ended. I was not expecting it. There were 48 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:09,960 certain characters that had unexpected destinies, I will say, and that was quite 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,719 a surprise. But yeah, I'm I'm so excited to see what we get. 50 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:19,240 But I'm imagining we're going to get like gen V season two first, 51 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,039 and then we'll get Boys season five, which like I don't mind that, 52 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:25,639 but really, all in all, I just want I just want Boys season 53 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,639 five. I don't want any more gen V stuff, like I can come 54 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,120 after season five or something like that. So even if they just say, 55 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,879 like hey, because they've said you're not gonna like this, they said the 56 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:42,439 Boys doesn't come out to twenty twenty six, but then like, let's say, 57 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:45,599 if gen V doesn't exist, you just get no Boy's content at all. 58 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,719 So I feel like GENV with this season is going to be, uh, 59 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:54,000 it's going to be particular to what it's happening in this show. So 60 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,759 wouldn't you take gen V over nothing? Yeah, I can't answer. It's 61 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,960 not like they're doing gen V in spite of the Boys, just the Boy 62 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:04,840 Like I feel like it is kind of like, well, this is don't 63 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:08,439 even know if I would take it, because I just i'd watch it like, 64 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:11,080 man, this isn't the Boys. I just want the Boys. I 65 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,960 want I want all my characters back, like gen V. You know, 66 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:18,399 we do, we do, but I guess last season, right, there's 67 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:23,839 a chance at the very end. So after watching gen V, it was 68 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:26,240 just like, Man, I like gen V for what it was, but 69 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:30,079 I really wanted the Boys. The Boys just that special, like all those 70 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,079 characters like the Deep and Black Moar and just how they interact with each other. 71 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:39,120 You're not you show, Yeah, you're not. Yeah, what does 72 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:45,480 he say again, I'm responsible for racism? Whenever that first line was that 73 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,639 opening, Oh my goodness, I was laughing my ass off there with the 74 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:55,279 multiple jokes they're doing there. So is that all your roles, sir? 75 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,759 Yeah, it's a really good episode. Yeah, I am with and his 76 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:08,319 initial thoughts that I am underwhelmed. I don't think it is this season very 77 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:12,399 interesting. I'm gonna be interested to watch the season over in the past because 78 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:15,079 I do. I feel like I said it and now luckily I'm always down 79 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:17,600 for people to adopt it. But I feel like everyone's taken. They're like, 80 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:19,839 yeah, this is a setup season. I'm not saying like I said 81 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,839 to the Twitter, I mean like an our sphere of geek first people. 82 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:29,279 And that's where I do not think it's a bad season. I think the 83 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:30,839 show is good. It's not anything that I'm worried about. It's not a 84 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:33,120 step like. It is a step down in my opinion, but it's not 85 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,279 such a mass up down. I'm like, oh man, how they gonna 86 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,879 end this? I don't think that. I do just think that the last 87 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:43,639 three we finally got a lot of stuff happening. And I feel, like 88 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:46,879 I said before, there was a lot of character work in this season, 89 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:50,720 some good and justified in others. Just wait till I get to fucking Frenchy 90 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,519 Man, like just wasting my fucking time this show with this character. And 91 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,319 I like that character, and that's a good thing. That's the thing that 92 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:00,160 happens at least with the Boys, even if there's storyline you're mail on. 93 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:04,720 It's like, well, characters are well acted for the Westport, they're well 94 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,319 ridden. It's maybe the story around them that's not well ridden. But uh 95 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:15,920 yeah, so I this episode still was good, but I did feel underwhelmed. 96 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,399 I think it's the first time for me that the Boys ended. My 97 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,079 hair is a fucking disaster. As look, I just went from the I 98 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,360 got back from the beach, so it's like something else, you know what 99 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,199 gonna throwing the girls headband here? You know, look at this bustles some 100 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:36,160 rainbows. Yeah, it's the first time because like I can't say till we 101 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:42,120 get into spoilers, but I just I wasn't it should This is the setup 102 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,319 to the final season and some big stuff happens here. This is the first 103 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:47,079 season the Boys where I was like, oh my god, I can't wait 104 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,800 till next year as far as I can or whatever, the next season, 105 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:53,959 I can't wait. Like I'm excited because I like the show, but I 106 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,319 just me in the sense that I'm not on the edge of my seat. 107 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:59,720 Especially a lot of people be like I can't believe they ended on a I 108 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:00,839 don't care, I'll say it the end. They on a cliffhanger. To 109 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:04,160 me, it's like the cliffhanger is like a very eat like I feel like 110 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,240 it's gonna get resolved very easily. In like the first episode. I'd heard 111 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 that before, so I was like, fuck what happens and the Boys? 112 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:15,160 So maybe that was it too. But I think there's just certain choices as 113 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,000 well, that character choices, and you know, my spoilers, but still 114 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,720 it's people die all the time, certain characters meeting there and not a fan 115 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,160 of certain things that I think there's about two storylines where I just go, 116 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,879 well, wasn't a waste of time, but it definitely feels less than it 117 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:33,399 feels like when I have to rewatch the show. There's a few episodes in 118 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,160 season four well go, I don't know if we needed this, this could 119 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,759 have been different stuff. And there's a few other character choices too, So 120 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,160 overall, still like a good episode. I think the episode alone, I 121 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,240 think is like a seven at ten, some good comedy beat, some good 122 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:50,360 kind of twists, and reveal some good just shit hitting the fans, So 123 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,800 it's still good. I'll always preference that. I just think I am a 124 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:59,399 little underwhelmed, and I feel like all the Boys season finales have always been 125 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:03,920 a gripping rip it man. I need season five stat where I like I 126 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,160 do because it's the last one, that's why. But if if I didn't 127 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:09,240 know it was last one, that's where it start to worry. And this 128 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,040 is where I've said before, this is a good thing that's ending, because 129 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,120 I think sometimes shows run this, I think in that four or five six 130 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,000 territory and they start to run esteem and I'm happy that they go well next 131 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,240 year or whatever. Next season that's the last one, because all my kind 132 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,040 of worries are going, Okay, they're leading to, you know, the 133 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,519 grand finale, even if it felt like they felt hold some stuff back, 134 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,960 and again even in this episode, some of my issues are not that they 135 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:37,279 held stuff back. It was some choices I just just didn't jive with. 136 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,919 Overall, I don't think there's anything that I I hated or think it is 137 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,320 awful. I think there's one thing they do with a frendsheet that I'm just 138 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,639 like, man again. I just feel like this was they never know what 139 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,080 the fuck to do with these characters, in my opinion, make them really 140 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,279 interesting. So they wasted our time this entire season just to get us to 141 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,120 where we were last year again pretty much to like a few new developed and 142 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,080 it's like man like again. I feel like maybe they should just kill them 143 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,200 off at some point. I don't know. But I like Frenchie, so 144 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:11,039 I'm not that mad about it. But yeah, so good finale. Not 145 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,759 super strong. I think this season is a mixed bag, but overall because 146 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,240 the writing is clever and the performances are good and there's some cool moments. 147 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,879 Overall, it's still like we'll get into final thoughts and stuff like that. 148 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:28,320 I think I easily have this ranked last for the boys seasons, but still 149 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,200 like a good show that I was never like, oh man, we're you 150 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,039 know, like we've talked about with Acolade or some other shows lately, where 151 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,679 I go when this choice just doesn't make sense. I have a couple of 152 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,399 those with this show, but they're more to a minor degree where the shows 153 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,720 might miss up the really big stuff, where I think, for the most 154 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,279 part, the really big stuff is fine. There's one I want to talk 155 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:50,120 to about because I just don't know how I feel about it yet, but 156 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:56,360 we will get there. Anything else nonspoilers you have to say, I don't 157 00:09:56,399 --> 00:09:58,960 think, so okay, well we're gonna get into spoilers, so we're gonna 158 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,200 your ad break and then we'll be right back after this, and we're back, 159 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,600 and they quick showed out to Patreon unless you want to wait til geek 160 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,960 first day, because if you up your tier or join the Patreon we will 161 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,240 go longer and the stream will make increments soon with the increments of ten, 162 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,240 fifteen, twenty, a half an hour or stuff like that. It'll be 163 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,679 a good time. But you can also right now if you just want those 164 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,120 episodes ad free an early exclusive. You don't want to listen to those ads. 165 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:28,279 You enjoy Patreon right now, so we appreciate everyone that is on there 166 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:35,559 right now. Here Where do you want to start? Oh my goodness. 167 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,559 I felt like that the Shifter would be a little bit more. There would 168 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,440 have been a little bit more to that. But I feel like shifter I 169 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,879 put switching Oops. I ruined that that's okay in my game. I felt 170 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:56,200 that even Annie's kind of not fallout to it, but her her reactions not 171 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,399 good in my opinion. No, Like I think at the start it was 172 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,279 okay, but it's just wrapped up way too quick. I don't even think 173 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,360 of the start because and like, I'm not trying to make this super serious 174 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,600 because the boys does this and they have a tongue in cheeks sort of thing. 175 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,840 But like Koway, will Hue was sexually assaulted multiple times. He didn't 176 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:22,600 now but he said yes and willing, but he did not know this. 177 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,480 This person took advantage of him. It's the same to me, would be 178 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,639 the same way if someone sleeping with a talkskape person of they may say yes 179 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,200 to that moment, but they don't know what they're doing. So you don't 180 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,559 do that. You don't. That's a line, and that's where for me 181 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,960 how I get in shows I gotta do like how did you not know what's 182 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,480 me? But you're in the fucking Boys, where some of these characters, 183 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:48,200 like this character literally could become half a fucking yeah, her memory, so 184 00:11:48,279 --> 00:11:52,000 that's her. I thought they made her go a little too hard on Hui, 185 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,039 especially because some people already I didn't hate it as much, but I 186 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,759 got the complaints, especially if people have suffered from it. Two episodes ago, 187 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:01,879 they did that with Hue right where he got sectually assaulted a bunch when 188 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,320 he was the web Weaver character, but that was all played for last, 189 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:07,919 and then again here it's not all played for last, but I feel like 190 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:15,840 it's I was kind of expecting the anti character to be a bit more I 191 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,639 won't say consoling, but not I was gonna not expect her to be as 192 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:20,879 hard as she was. As the point where it looked like they were gonna 193 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,360 break up again, I did not think we're gonna go that route because I 194 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,759 don't know. And he even made the speech about how he figured it out, 195 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,440 so I didn't love the handling of that. And then I agree with 196 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,519 you of like, if they're gonna make her mad, then I thought, 197 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,799 okay, they're breaking them up. I don't like it. But they made 198 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,039 her all really worked up to just kind of forgive him very quickly. So 199 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,799 at the end of the day, I kind of just wish that they she 200 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,480 just like they both felt shit about the situation, but not mad at Hughie 201 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,240 of just like, man, you know, even that little freak out she 202 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,240 did about hey, I'm not perfect to have all these issues, I'm nervous 203 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,960 this, I think you still could have done that without her kind of pointing 204 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,360 the finger being like you fucked that girl, like he didn't, like, 205 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:03,240 there's no way of knowing. And then when he did, he told the 206 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,000 mother's milk that hey, I think something's up. So it's not like he 207 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,000 just kept going around it. So overall that's a thing where the Annie problem, 208 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:13,919 Like again, it wasn't a huge portion of the episode, and they 209 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,200 did resolve it, so I guess I was, you know, fine at 210 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,240 the end, but I thought it was not the best choice for the show 211 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:24,000 and that character of Annie in my opinion, Yeah, I would like, 212 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:31,200 I think for the actress to be able to play that kind of villainouque kind 213 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,399 of approach. I like that she did a really good job. That was 214 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,840 that was a lot of fun. But yeah, the way that the Shifter 215 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,320 just kind of was handled, I didn't really uh for me. It was 216 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,759 just wrapped up too quickly. And I hate that they died. I want, 217 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,759 I do hate that they died. Yeah, because what are they Because 218 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,879 when Annie's skin was falling off, it was just like, you know, 219 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,320 like a skeleton bow muscle to shoot. Do they look like that all the 220 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:58,200 time when they're not somebody? Do they original form? I know that would 221 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,840 have been like maybe some people have been dis went by, but I thought 222 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,200 they were going to imprison the Shifter and they didn't. Any just broke their 223 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,639 neck. So they don't have any The Shifter doesn't have an original form, 224 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:13,159 right, because we've got some monologuing of them saying I don't even remember what 225 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,799 I used to look like. I touched my teacher's kindergarten teacher's arm, and 226 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,600 I iized, like they what they used to look like. So there still 227 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,679 was something, There was still an origin point of they looked like something at 228 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:30,120 some point, yes, but then it changed right once they got their powers? 229 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,480 So yeah, yeah, that definitely that's true. But yeah, I 230 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,159 agree with you good And I think she did a good job. I really 231 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:41,480 liked the interrogation of just like she's calling her al like, oh, you 232 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,639 you know, pretend this is a bad thing, but really you feel shitty 233 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:46,080 about it and you know you're a bad person. You're doing newis and oh 234 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,279 because you do this and that. So I thought she did a really good 235 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,799 job portraying both of them. And I think she just made the Shifter feel 236 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,919 really creepy, like and that makes sense because they what they're doing in Huie, 237 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:01,600 but just like something very off and unsettling about that character. So I 238 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,879 think she did a very good job of traying that because the other times the 239 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:07,799 shifter's been somebody, they've just been running or doing just random stuff. So 240 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:13,679 mm hmmmm hmm. Yeah, So I'm trying to think, is there's anything 241 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,679 else? Oh, I guess they got engaged, but we'll see if that 242 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,799 happens. Obviously they're in trouble. He's got to propose again, right, 243 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,320 because the engagement doesn't count. Let's see if they make it first, you 244 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,039 know, because who knows. They're all in trouble near the end there. 245 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:35,080 But I want to get your thoughts on Butcher because this is one where it's 246 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,559 not a native for me. I have to see where they go with season 247 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,440 five. I'm just in the middle of it, where this whole episode it's 248 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,440 I'm dying, I'm dying, I'm dying. They bring in Ryan, who 249 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,480 that to me is the same thing messy where I feel like each episode they 250 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,679 go back and forth of did they want to be the good kid that's gonna 251 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:54,159 turn or is he just like his dad? In this episode, like, 252 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,799 I don't know, it's weird that they've already even this season, they reemphasize 253 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:03,399 that they've given him kind of a compass to know what's right and wrong. 254 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,480 But then they tell everything about Homelanders done and his reactions to kill Mallory, 255 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,399 which you know, rip to Maley no other four seasons just gets fuck her 256 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,639 neck fucking broken. But so he's dying and then he just agrees to let 257 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,720 Jefford Dean Wargan te over. So for some reason, when he let jeff 258 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,799 for Dean Morgon take over, why is he just like Yield? Why is 259 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:30,080 he not dying anymore? Ah, I have no idea, I really have 260 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:33,559 no idea. It's just the v that he has. I guess, like 261 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,519 I really, he had told us it didn't work. Remember when hewing him 262 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,799 talked about it. I have no answer for this. I really am not 263 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,759 sure. I need more context. Yeah, so that's what I need to 264 00:16:44,759 --> 00:16:47,440 see more and sho happened. But I just really hope it's not that like 265 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,360 it's a mental thing of like, oh well, we pretends to be the 266 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:53,080 bad person. He's healthy. I I find it just very odd. And 267 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,960 that's why again where this is when the or this is the weakest season. 268 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,480 They just spend this whole season building up that he's running down any time, 269 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,919 and then when he popped up in the clubhouse, he was just fine. 270 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,119 He was moving fine, his red eye thing was gone. So I need 271 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,519 some more. But would you feel justified if they say it's just like a 272 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,880 mental thing that when he pretends to Jeffer dein Morgan he can get rid of 273 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,720 it, because for me, that doesn't really work when they've spent the whole 274 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,359 season tell hims it's like a physical illness, you know, yeah, I 275 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,359 mean it's they're saying he's got tumors and everything going on. Right, six 276 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,480 months to live and he's near the end of that. Yeah, he's looking 277 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:32,480 pretty good considering. So I I don't know if they say it's just a 278 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:36,519 mental thing, I'm not really gonna buy that, and I I I honestly, 279 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,000 jefferdy Morgan was like, let me take over. So that's what I 280 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:41,279 took it as, right. Yeah, I just was kind of going into 281 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:45,440 this this episode thinking, Okay, he's gonna die here. He's gonna I 282 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,759 mean, I was hoping he wouldn't die here on that. No, he 283 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:51,960 didn't sound glad because yeah, he's got shit to do and I want to 284 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,400 see him have that face off with Homelander, and I feel like, Okay, 285 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,440 we're gonna get that and he'll die next season. Yeah he's him and 286 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:00,880 Homelander are gone. They're probably gonna just die together and something like that. 287 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,839 So so yeah, he gets that. Mallory, how do you feel about 288 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,359 Mallory dying? And God, what Ryan? Where are you a Ryan? 289 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,319 Because we've told those before where I felt like, you know, in the 290 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,920 last season they had him smile at Homelander killing that dude, So he's evil 291 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,079 and then a couple of times he's been good and then he's been evil, 292 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,599 and think of of course it is a younger teen character, so you can 293 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,480 say they're changing with the wind. For me, I think that gets you 294 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:27,160 only so far. But uh, And I'm sure he didn't mean to kill 295 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,759 Mallory just like his mom, but he did. So what did you think 296 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:36,519 about that whole scene and engage or sequence there. Yeah, Mallory definitely didn't 297 00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:38,759 approach it right, and I think it could have gone a lot differently if 298 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,599 she just stayed calm and allowed Butcher to keep doing what he was doing because 299 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,000 what he was doing was working. And I like that moment between them, 300 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,559 but I think she was just worried Butcher is going to die before the plan 301 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,920 worked, right, probably. Yeah, so she ruined it, she botched 302 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,079 it, and that's unfortunate because she paid with her life for that. So 303 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:07,079 you have that. But Ryan is an interesting character because again he doesn't. 304 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,119 I like what Butcher said to him, like, am I I promised your 305 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,039 mom that I would keep you safe and if the safest place is in the 306 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,599 tower with Homeland, or if that's where you think the samest place is, 307 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,720 then I'll let you go. Like I love that so much, Like that 308 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:23,039 was a great line, and I think that that really swayed him over. 309 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,440 But yeah, him, he's just a very conflicted child. I don't know, 310 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,079 like it's a lot of pressure to just to dump on him, saying 311 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:33,359 you need to kill your dad. That's not gonna sit well with any child. 312 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,160 That wasn't the great method to do it. It's not the great or 313 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:40,119 the fact that your dad raped your mom or like they're just they were not 314 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,039 stacking their cards very well in this moment. So I understand why he got 315 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,279 conflicted, and it's unfortunate that Grace should not have pressured him like that. 316 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,880 Grace should have just understood, like, hey, you're not gonna be able 317 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,200 to contain him. He's already at the door, so he can leave whenever. 318 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:56,240 And I mean, that's what he did, and she paid for it 319 00:19:56,279 --> 00:20:00,920 with her life, and it's unfortunate we didn't get her the season at all. 320 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,839 I think this just like this is the only time, and she threatened 321 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,559 them with those concrete floors or wash like I can see la it and stuff. 322 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:10,200 So yeah, it wasn't the grace, but I do I guess I 323 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,480 didn't have a problem with her dying because I just felt like she was desperate 324 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:17,240 and especially with everything that was coming down with Newman being exposed, et cetera. 325 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,440 With Butcher but die, I think she was literally just doing hell Mary 326 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,160 because she thought, man, if this could go back to him, that 327 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,079 could be the end of us, right, So that's why I was kind 328 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,039 of fine with from her perspective. Again, for him, it was an 329 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,480 acciment for him to kill her. That's a that's a big set for the 330 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:34,839 character. So we'll see again. I don't know what's gonna happen. But 331 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,599 do you guys think the Gemon will show up in The Boys season five? 332 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,119 I don't know who that is, so don't If you can explain it cycle 333 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,200 Man in a non spoil, like a non spoiler, don't give everything away, 334 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:51,039 then great. Because even today I've seen there's like a picture This is 335 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:52,039 not a big spoil for your tail, but there's a picture from one that 336 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,200 I'm guessing near the end of The Boys, and it's like Butcher standing from 337 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,119 the White House and then there's a bunch of soups flying in the air, 338 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,440 and they recreated that poster with Homelander and stuff. So it's like an illusion 339 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,599 for what's gonna happen, right, So, but yeah, I don't know 340 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,680 what you Man is because we I've never read I've read combooks, Big Marvel, 341 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,240 DC Guy, but never had read The Boys, and I might even 342 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:15,799 though I hear from everybody that the show is like miles better than The Boys, 343 00:21:15,799 --> 00:21:18,799 that they do the adaptations much better, and the Boys is way more 344 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,319 kind of even more trying to go for the shock value stuff. So I 345 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:26,880 don't think it's on the high immediate list. But uh so, yeah, 346 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,160 Butcher gets there, there's all of office we're in tuble with all the other 347 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,359 characters as well too. But he gets to the clubhouse. They're making up 348 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,920 this idea for Newman's gonna turn us off in expose all stuff because she's lots 349 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,799 of vaught info. Yeah, all that could jazz right, And because later 350 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,640 or earlier we learned that in of course, all the files were deleted, 351 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,519 And I guess I should mention this for this portion where they're on the news, 352 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,519 their version of Fox News, and Homelander wants her to meet she's a 353 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,039 soup. She won't, so he just lasers her in the face, doesn't 354 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:07,039 do nothing. So that's where it's it's interesting because I did I thought they 355 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:11,000 maybe made Newman a bit weak because I why would she not just try to 356 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:14,279 pop home at her head. That's why I was sitting the whole time, 357 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,240 you know, because I just I feel like she would know he's crossing line 358 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,480 and can't be contained, so you have to even contain it yourself. And 359 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:26,079 it's not like it worked out for because she was a goner anyways, right, 360 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,720 So I yeah, I don't know. How how do you feel about 361 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:34,599 even just Newman overall in this episode with the reveal of her to the world 362 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,839 being soups the president. You know, they framed him for the murder, 363 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,599 I guess, but then they framed some other people. But and just the 364 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,559 fact of you know, she's she's gone. You know, she's a big 365 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:51,400 character for multiple seasons and just like that, it's over with. Yeah, 366 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:56,559 I I was surprised that they killed her off. But again it's it's something 367 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,359 that I blame it on Ryan, because Ryan, I mean, he could 368 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,680 have just made the right choice, and Butcher would have been like, oh 369 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,279 good good son, good son, and then not gone off to go kill 370 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:11,440 her. So it's very unfortunate, but this is where we're at. I 371 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,720 think it was kind of a It's a sad callback because her daughter goes to 372 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:23,400 the Red Room Academy or institution, which is very saddening. But John Carlow 373 00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:29,000 Desposito is still out there, right, so he's got a yeah, I 374 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,759 guess. So the last time we saw him he was with Newman, right, 375 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:37,319 so I wonder what happened to him so freedom, But I get yeah, 376 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,039 I just thought they were together. But were you fine with her meeting 377 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,359 ran like that, like being done with the show or do you think there's 378 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,799 gonna be a bit more meat on the boat? And also the same thing 379 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:48,000 I said that I found as a call on or an issue. Did you 380 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,599 find she just kind of gave up after Homeland and reveal this stuff? Like 381 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,279 because we always wondered like could she pop home? Onder his head, and 382 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,519 I thought we I thought she was gonna try and then it wouldn't work and 383 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,240 it be like a fuck, I can't do it. But I guess I 384 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,279 just didn't buy her. Just she felt like way too much on the Defense 385 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:07,000 after that secret came out. Yeah, she was in the Defense, And 386 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:14,880 I like how Holmander was just phased out and ignoring everything that was happening in 387 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,759 that interview, and so basically he just, yeah, he just lazers her 388 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,119 and then she just like her eyes glaze over and it just is all downhill 389 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,200 for her. So yeah, yeah, I didn't again hopfefway till next season. 390 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,359 I always had issues the Butcher things. So when he came back looking 391 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,599 all perfect, I was like, Okay, what's going on here, and 392 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,920 the fact that he killed Newman, I don't know. I felt like they 393 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,200 were they made a good case in the episode to sell even though she was 394 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,160 maybe enemy number two, why she has to stay alive and for Butcher just 395 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,160 to kill her again. This idea of oh if Butcher's kind of mentally possessed 396 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,160 by the spear Jeffery de Morgan, who's willing to do his violent stuff, 397 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,680 that doesn't really interest me because I liked that last season Butcher we got a 398 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,240 character of arc of him really caring about the boys and Hughes specific right where 399 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,440 they did that, and they kept them away from the boys a lot this 400 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,880 show, and I feel like they didn't interact. They kept they kept writing 401 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,240 in that him and Mother's Milk were getting together. Right, So I was 402 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,759 not a as of right now, I was not a big fan of him 403 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,119 just coming in and killing Newman. I thought it was kind of done for 404 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,640 shock value. In my opinion, it just was odd to why he was 405 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,240 so gone home just to make sure she should die. You know, yeah, 406 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:33,440 I mean she's definitely a serious threat, so there's that. But I'm 407 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,720 with Hue, it would have made more sense to kind of have her in 408 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:41,839 your court, I think as far as Yeah, she's definitely a very powerful 409 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,480 ally, So it's unfortunate that she's gone and you have the tentacle stuff was 410 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:52,839 just brutal. Jesus. Yeah, no, that's uh, that's that's unfortunate 411 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,400 to say the least, especially because I guess her daughter would have saw that 412 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,720 too, even though she got knocked out. Imagine her daughter's waking up. 413 00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,759 And I guess I will say shocking. Did not think new was gonna get 414 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,400 it. Did not know. I know, Uh, home Lander had said 415 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,160 he had took temp veee, but we weren't sure just v in general, 416 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 but we weren't sure. If you got any traces. He didn't show anything, 417 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,079 but his powish is like a technical thing, and uh yeah, it 418 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:18,119 makes an orphan there and then oh god, what happens after that? He 419 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,599 just kind of he's gone for the episode. Next time we see him was 420 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,440 at the end, right, Yeah, yeah, and I really liked his 421 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:27,359 called a hueye, So I liked that but nice. Yeah, So I'm 422 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,559 I'm mixed a positive on it. Need to see more, but uh, 423 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,160 I digress. He's the only one who escaped at the end, driving away 424 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,000 listening to his music. Yeah, and he's gonna be want to break them 425 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,279 all out. That's why it's like for me, it's like everyone's like on 426 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,839 a cliffhanger. It's like, is it cliffhanger? I feel like we just 427 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,160 know that he's gonna give no fucks to go around and want to break him 428 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,000 up in my opinion, So, uh, I guess we'll see. Uh, 429 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,799 let's see. So Homelander, I guess we've talked about him, but 430 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,240 kind of talked about around him. His first plan of killing no new been 431 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:04,240 with the with the shifter that didn't work. So he's just an emotional wreck. 432 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:10,359 After he's crying on the couch she had And eventually Sage does come back 433 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:12,599 and reveals that even if some of the things in work, she's kind of 434 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:18,119 been working behind the scenes on certain things to expedite this process. So what 435 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:30,240 were your thoughts there? Sorry expedite which process? Gosh, who was just 436 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,920 talking about I just slipped now too, we just double slip. Oh my 437 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:41,440 goodness, what was uh? Oh holeblander Because with Sage she was talking about 438 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:48,079 you remember, she was talking about that even if even if she like it 439 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,960 was her his issues right, like her, he was bound to make mistakes 440 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,519 and it yes, and she was like covering for those as well. Yeah, 441 00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:03,279 I think it's I think it's I don't know. She I feel like 442 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,880 I have to attribute to her because they got the result kind of what they 443 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,319 wanted. Like she said, it was a little hard to get there and 444 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,759 it was a little murky. But it also to me feels like, hey, 445 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,519 you're this guy that's in the room and you're trying to show off what's 446 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,680 going on. It's a whole bunch of mistakes happening. Be like, oh 447 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:19,960 no, I meant for that to happen. YadA YadA. Yeah, when 448 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,079 Newman's like you gotta take prisoners and he's like, all right, yeah, 449 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,880 I do that. Yeah that's exactly it, and so yeah, just very 450 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:30,640 very bold. But she's like, oh, we're gonna go to phase two, 451 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:37,079 YadA, YadA, YadA. I feel like she's she's she's got her 452 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,519 plan, and she's the showrunners aren't even really properly letting the audience know what 453 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:45,880 the plan is, so it's hard to follow along with it. I just 454 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,359 feel like at this point, she's taking credit for just the different small victories 455 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,480 that happened for the Soups, So I don't have much else I can really 456 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,480 add to it, aside from I mean, it's probably not the last time 457 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,279 that we're gonna see her get hurt. No, she's the lobotomy. Yeah, 458 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,319 well she's definitely gonna get fucking destroyed too, I mentioned at some point, 459 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:10,440 But yeah, and interesting scene a Homelander when he was just convinced that 460 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,680 she left, he's, oh, I threw like trash. I'm not saying 461 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,880 they're gonna become a romantic item, but I'm feeling that they're definitely gonna be 462 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,079 more bosom buddies come next season, because it felt like he really appreciated that 463 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:26,160 she kind of stood up still by him. Right, other stuff that he's 464 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,960 doing this episode, he's looking at his pubes again for some fucking reason. 465 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,920 He even says, I just love disgusting, like he's just disgusted with himself, 466 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,599 you know. Before we continue, Cycleman Claify said, well, but 467 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:44,200 it's basically the X Men and the Boys universe, so they have time for 468 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,279 that. There's always a chance I could see them easily if you ask me, 469 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,400 other than like a cameo or looting or just like a scene over the 470 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,079 side, I would say no, but I could see there being some sort 471 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,480 of X Men type team in here, because they try to parody everything, 472 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,160 So if they're in the comics, I could see them trying to make that 473 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,519 and maybe Butcher works with them or something. I don't know. What do 474 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:10,200 you think about this idea of the X Men kind of light in the Amazon 475 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:17,640 runs the Boys. That's a cool kind of concept, Like I think we're 476 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,759 definitely getting that, Like through the Seven I would say, but I imagine 477 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,960 this would be like a good version of that. But it's hard because like 478 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,039 all the soups that are trying to turn to good, like Newman, are 479 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,759 just being killed, right, So yeah, it's hard to say if we're 480 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,599 gonna get that. She was turning good, but it was a very last 481 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,000 minute turning good. Let's be honest. She threw in the flag when like 482 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:41,519 she literally had no other options. It's not like, well, you know, 483 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,559 this is the right move to do. Her daughter is well to be 484 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,880 killed. She got killed. I guess she probably shouldn't have taken that deal. 485 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200 But super Mike says, like the season overall, but definitely the week, 486 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,559 guess feels like a part one when they split the last book in the 487 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,200 series of two movies. I could agree with that. This definitely feels like 488 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,400 that part one, itis and everything. So I really want Soldier Boy to 489 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,359 fight beside the boys against Homelander. That's what's tough, because yeah, that 490 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,680 was the it's not an end credit but semi credit scene where Homelander has been 491 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:18,000 given the information where he can find god what's his name, Soldier Boy. 492 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,240 I don't know because last season they made pretty clear that he wants nothing to 493 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,400 do with him because he thought he was a disappointment. Now I wonder if 494 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:33,200 he's gonna wake him up when you know this, like Homelander is happy with 495 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:34,480 the world so that he can be like, look what I built, you 496 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,680 know, the same way you know you want me to do something. But 497 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,960 uh, yeah, I I don't know how to feel with that one. 498 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,400 Yeah, I'm not sure exactly where I where I stand with that either. 499 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,799 That's I feel like it's something we're just gonna have to see how it plays 500 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,079 out. Yeah, let's see you there. So what else have we talked 501 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,519 about? We talked about Homeland. Oh right, he also got Matt at 502 00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:01,759 Ryan because he found that picture of Butcher. So he freaked out again, 503 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480 Why would Ryan leave that out in the open like that he was in a 504 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,160 backpack but like his shit was everywhere in the main living room. Well and 505 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,119 it's like it doesn't matter too because like Comelander can see through a backpack, 506 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,519 right, It's like you gotta get that out of there. But yeah, 507 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:19,240 so we talked about Ryan a bit. There wasn't much more Homelander stuff going 508 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:24,759 on, but yeah, I just and again I thought that what they It's 509 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:29,359 interesting because they did hit upon that again remember the whole uh you know, 510 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:30,960 where he grew up, and they talked about how you're always gonna need kind 511 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,160 of approval from somebody. When he found Soldier boy, he was like weeping 512 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,039 over his fucking like frozen body. So it's like the guy told you who 513 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,920 you were, disappointment of fuck off. So I really don't know what's gonna 514 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,039 happen there, but I guess that will make it could play a lot with 515 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,480 Ryan still around Homelander and a big threesome of like son to father to grandfather 516 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,799 and away right of everything. I would actually like if Soldier Boy has a 517 00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,839 liking to Ryan and doesn't like Homelander. I think that would be really really 518 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,599 good. But even if Butcher's gonna die, I feel like Ryan, I'm 519 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,200 still going with Ryan has to be the one to kill Homelander. Do you 520 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,920 agree. I feel like it needs to be that way, but I don't 521 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,480 think they'll do it that way. I hope it's Butcher because Butcher I think 522 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,920 deserves it. But I just felt that that's how they're gonna do the I 523 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,640 don't know the send off is that's how always the new soup, and this 524 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,119 time he had to kills fathering it. So I really don't know. I'm 525 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,200 trying to think. Obviously, Firecracker not going good. That medicine seems to 526 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,279 be a backfiring, but better in the back half of the episode. But 527 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,119 it did. It's funny though, I thought for sure, and so I, 528 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,440 you know, worked myself into a shoot here brother they I thought for 529 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:50,839 sure when she was coughing that somebody meaning Ashley had like picked like like used 530 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,519 that virus on her, because the way she was coughing, her water, 531 00:33:55,599 --> 00:34:00,000 her makeup's running, her eyes are starting to water. I thought for sure 532 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,440 it was not it was gonna go the route that I pitched. I thought 533 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,320 for sure. Oh my goodness, I just lost my train. Thought I 534 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,519 was having these late night reviews. What was I just talking about? Now? 535 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:14,559 What? I what was I just talking about? You're talking about what's 536 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:16,760 his name? Soldier boy? No? No, no, I thought I 537 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,119 talked about Soldier Boy already. Oh, fire cracker. I thought for sure 538 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,519 she got sick. I thought for sure she was probably virus. So I 539 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,760 was gonna laugh if fucking Homelander was giving her a bunch of shit and she's 540 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,920 just dying on them. But no, I guess she's just having a allergic 541 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,480 allergic. I just probably something not good for the body. Shouldn't' probably not 542 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,760 supposed to be producing breast milk when you're you know, not preyingnant. But 543 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,320 she survived. They had this whole thing where they're gonna start killing Vought employees 544 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,079 that they didn't trust, and then eventually as she figures out that she was 545 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,920 on that list, and man, I was so excited. I know, 546 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,360 you know, Cycleman. You say, oh, I really want Soldier Boy 547 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,800 to fight with the boys. I was pitched just a couple of weeks ago. 548 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,039 If like, I really want Ashley the team with the Boy some way 549 00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,519 together, and I think it's gonna happen. I don't know what power they've 550 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:04,320 given her. I feel like they're going to give her a power that's not 551 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,599 gonna do well for Like, I don't think she's just gonna well, yeah, 552 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,599 that's about it. But I was disappointed that we didn't get to see 553 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:13,400 the power. I thought for sure we'd see it this week. It's Deep, 554 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,400 Well it did sound painful. Yeah, they had that moment with Deep 555 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,119 fucking be like, tell me on the smartest one, tell me actually the 556 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:22,519 smartest one other than Homelander, and then he kills the guy. So uh, 557 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,199 they they've I'm happy for that. I can't wait for the Deep just 558 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,599 to get fucking destroyed next year again. A character that doesn't need any uh, 559 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,079 doesn't need any redemption. So uh, let's see, given that Soldier 560 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,320 Boy's old fashioned, that might not like the world Homelanders trying to make. 561 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,320 I agree, Like, I just feel like, from Homelanders point of view, 562 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,159 there's no way around this other than I guess that's just hey, I 563 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:50,920 became the ruler slash dictator of the world. I am a worthy successor of 564 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,599 you. I don't know, it's a it's an aw thing. So yeah, 565 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,519 let's see. So we had firecrackers, she was killing people. She 566 00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,280 was like run after people dying. Got some more black and noir in there, 567 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,119 which at one point he just had a heart on after he killed somebody. 568 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:10,000 So murder boner that that's something that killed the wrong Yeah he did. 569 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,440 I don't know. There's so many fucking girls name ash I can't tell you 570 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,519 who it is. So were you disappointed when you get to see what Ashley's 571 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:22,840 power was? Yes, and no, I'm very curious what she has going 572 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,559 on. I totally forgot that she has a wig, so I thought this 573 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,079 the juice just totally the just fucked her up and her hair just fell off 574 00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:37,920 immediately. So yeah, oh god, can we go in friends? Shee 575 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:44,000 I. We talked about this at the beginning of the season. Seems like 576 00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:45,559 for the fast Free seasons, seems like they're sent up to be a couple, 577 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,320 but they're going a different route. Sure, we'll go with it. 578 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,639 I didn't really like the right with the route with I think his name was 579 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,559 Ryan and he killed his family. And I don't know if you liked I 580 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:59,719 don't think you no, so but for me now it's like we need rewatch 581 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,480 this. Other than even then, I don't think any of it had a 582 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:06,800 meaning because the one storyline was, hey, I've done a lot of bad 583 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,400 things. I should go to prison. What happened, Well, Mallory got 584 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:15,400 him out of prison, and you know he's gone. So then also we 585 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:22,239 had this idea of well, him and Comico can't be together for some reason, 586 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,760 and what do we do here or together? I wish they just put 587 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,760 them together in the first episode. Here do some of these storylines with them 588 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,480 as a couple. But sure we got her first words here of her saying 589 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:36,039 no. But I do agree with some people that maybe I love you would 590 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:39,360 have been better. But I again, I like these characters. I just 591 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,719 think this whole thing was messy, and I feel like they thought, well, 592 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,320 we can't just put them together right away, so let's create some obstacles 593 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,159 that maybe don't make the most sense, and then eventually we'll get them back 594 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:54,000 together. So I felt like, not incompletely for their maybe not Comico's story, 595 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:57,440 but more so French She's I feel like was a waste and I feel 596 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,920 like in general just not I don't know, it just felt like a waste 597 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,400 of time. Now now that we know they're just they got there together now, 598 00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:07,559 you know. Yeah, I agree, it's it doesn't make sense to 599 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:13,119 have him go to prison, I guess jail throughout the first half of the 600 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:16,639 season just to hie him away. I don't know. He overcomes that, 601 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,800 and so does Chemico as well. But as much as I like both the 602 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,360 characters, I don't think they were utilized very well in this this season unfortunately. 603 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,119 But I really like Frenchie and I really like Chemiko. So them being 604 00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:34,079 kind of a thing right now is it's good in my books. But yeah, 605 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,840 I just I feel like it took too long to get here. We 606 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,239 didn't need to waste and do all this membo jumbo that's now completely irrelevant. 607 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,159 It's not going to be called upon in you know, the final season at 608 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,920 least, I don't think it would be what them being together. No, 609 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,760 Like just like French, like he's journey and all that stuff too. Probably 610 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,320 not they just accepted of like, well, we're right for each other. 611 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,480 We don't have to be the best and moving on, which is like, 612 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,599 it's all right, but I just I don't know. It just felt like 613 00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:05,760 they maybe could have done this episode one, but they're like, well, 614 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,159 we don't know how to write this relationship with these two, so let's have 615 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,719 them broken up and him can be with somebody else. Ninted, so again 616 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,079 happy they were together, but just didn't love the journey we got to. 617 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:20,440 We talked about Butcher, we've talked about Hueie, talked about Homeland or Mothers. 618 00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:22,039 Didn't do too much in this episode. It did a lot save but 619 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:27,679 nothing with his family or anything like that. Trying to think what other characters 620 00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,760 may I miss that we hadn't talked about yet. I really liked the opening 621 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,199 of when it was like I said, I'll get the exact statement here that 622 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:43,920 fucking the deep said where is it? Oh, I don't see it here, 623 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,079 but yeah he did. They were just talking about like racism in a 624 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,840 video and he was like, I am responsible for Oh, I take the 625 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,599 responsibility for racism. So they just make it sound dumb. And then they 626 00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:57,079 also talked about they had a whole movie shot but just ex accident they made 627 00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,440 a background joke. So that was funny enough. I'm sure to think, 628 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:08,079 is there any main characters we haven't touched upon yet or storylines talked about Newman 629 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:16,960 her daughter talked about them. I think that's it. I think. So 630 00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:21,039 I'm trying to think of any other storylines, but I can't really think of 631 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,239 anything. It's just it's just it's a big setup, right, Yeah, 632 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:29,519 you know, I should think that there's anything else, but I think, 633 00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,920 yeah, we mostly I think we mostly covered it. I guess, yeah, 634 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,519 we forgot to say. Yeah. I did say a little bit Newman's 635 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,920 dead, that they framed the president for it, and now they have a 636 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,960 president in office that like wants to be This first call was to like be 637 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,280 indebted. Yeah, and even in the middle of his like acceptance speech, 638 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,400 Homelander like interrupts it and takes it over and everything. So that's gonna be 639 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,760 interesting and scary and it's it's it's weird because I always thought this one was 640 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,239 gonna be the route we'd go. I thought Homelander one day would snap and 641 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,639 then we'd see it. But it feels like it's just gonna be more than 642 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,559 the guys. He's gonna do bad stuff. But it's like, oh, 643 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,760 he'll have liars to tell people for the greater good. And then I get 644 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,760 worried that when Homelander dies, there gonna be like fucking statues of him, 645 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,519 right, like they'll think he's oh you know, and I mean he did 646 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,320 kind of snap this episode. I feel like with him, like Ashley, 647 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,440 get me a list of all the people that have dirt on us and then 648 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,519 kill them. It's like, well, that's snapping. That's definitely snapping, 649 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,440 But like the public wouldn't maybe know that, right, Like it is snapping, 650 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,119 But I meant like a public we got that last season. But I 651 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:36,039 meant like killing many people in the public and heroes and stuff, which I 652 00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:39,960 think we'll definitely get next year at least. Yeah, that's true. Anything 653 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,920 else, can't think of anything, can't think of anything? Then what would 654 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,320 you rate this season at a ten overall? Oh, I would probably go 655 00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:58,719 I'd probably go eight out of ten. And I'm not giving it like I'm 656 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,320 pretty sure i'd give any other season higher number. But I'm going with the 657 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,679 eight just because I feel like there's some things that are I don't want to 658 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,880 say filler, because with the Boys, even the filler episodes always feel like 659 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,320 they're moving the narrative forward, but I feel like we just got some stuff 660 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:20,320 that wasn't necessarily done the best of ways in the show or the season. 661 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,360 Sorry I should say, but I understand it's also a setup, and so 662 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,880 it just comes down to personal preference, where like set up stuff just gets 663 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,239 a doctor point or two and I understand that it needs to happen. But 664 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,559 that's why I like the other seasons more because you get a season that's start, 665 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,639 middle, finish and it wraps up its whole season of events in a 666 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,639 bow, but it leaves things open ended a little bit. Like with Stormfront. 667 00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:46,719 I feel like that season introduced her and then it wrapped everything up with 668 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,199 her in a great way, and it was like, holy crap, this 669 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,960 is this is nuts. But I'm just telling myself that the next season will 670 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,639 be, uh, it'll be heavily just balls to the like getting in. 671 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:01,920 It's not gonna have any set up stuff because we've already gone through all the 672 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,960 set up stuff. It's just gonna be crazy. I think there could be 673 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,400 like a setup for episode one, maybe episode not one, but I could 674 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,320 see one set up episode still doing a soldier boy and what Butcher's been up 675 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,519 to and the Boys and Annie and everything like that. But I'll go one 676 00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,079 point lower. I'll go seven tout ten. I think this is the first 677 00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,960 time I've gone that low. I think all the seasons have been nine or 678 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,400 higher. I don't think I've ever given a season something out of ten because 679 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,840 I feel like there is always some storyline, like some of the Deep or 680 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,039 someone. I'm like, oh, we don't need so much of this, 681 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,679 but last we got it. So yeah, I gonna go seven. Seven 682 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:44,559 is my range of like I'll rewatch things. I think this is more of 683 00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,360 a season that I would No. I guess that's a weird thing. I 684 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,679 don't watch seasons TV just by themselves, other than maybe Dexter Breaking Bad. 685 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,159 But I always start I'll be like, oh, just watch the first thing 686 00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:55,760 that I keep going, so for me, I can't do that with the 687 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,639 boys, so I'll have to watch these things. But yeah, so it's 688 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,840 not that to me, is like a good It's a good season, but 689 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:10,119 definitely the weakest and definitely some just kind of minor head scratching choices and just 690 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,880 a few you know force, I know we just did act like this week, 691 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,079 but you know, no punic tended just like forced issues there. So 692 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,000 yeah, anything else, uh where's that? It's for the voice and it 693 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:29,119 was interesting to see what Butcher's gonna do with the virus. He managed to 694 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:34,000 get it from Frenchy, So yeah, that's it's a big one. That 695 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,559 is hopefully can I don't know. I was gonna say Mass produce it, 696 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,039 but I don't trust Butcher, you know, I really don't, not because 697 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,639 eventhing it will set off. I just think he'll make something that could screw 698 00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:47,480 it up or something. So but yeah, we will be back for season 699 00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:51,639 five, maybe the trailer whenever we get that years from now. And I 700 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,400 promised you it'll not be boring.