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My name is Jason vic I live
in Saint Paul, Minnesota. I'm forty

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four years old. I'm a backpacker
outdoorsman. I love the outdoors. I

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have many hobbies that are connected to
my careers. And my very first encounter

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was back when I was about four
years old. I was living in a

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small apartment in the projects with my
mother. I was a very little child,

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so I decided that night that I
was nervous and I was going to

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spend the night in my mother's bed. But I was laying there. I

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had gone to sleep, and for
me, I had felt that I had

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woken up in the morning, and
I'm guessing it was morning because the sunlight

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was starting to come in. I
could tell that it wasn't very cloudy.

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I mean, it was so surreal
because the sun was coming in. It

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was like I could tell every detail
in the room. And I was laying

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on the left side. And this
is where it gets really strange. Laying

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there knowing the sun was coming in. I remember every detail. Now that

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I'm forty four, I remember every
detail as if it was yesterday. And

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that's why it feels so very real
for me. Laying there, I looked

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over my left arm, and I
saw this what I could only imagine it

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to be was and this work it
gets crazy, is like, oh my

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gosh, it's so hard to say, like a demonic wolf. And it

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came out from underneath the bed,
and I remember its face. It was

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brown, It was complete full of
hair, as if you were looking at

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a dog, but with a very
demonic demeanor. The eyes rare yellow,

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the nose was black, and all
it had was was kind of a oh,

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what would you say, kind of
a snarl, very white, jagged

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teeth, and it just it was
very brief. It reached over and it

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scraped my left arm. And that's
where it gets really strange, because for

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a I would say, oh gosh, a few weeks I actually had a

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scratch on my left arm. And
I remember every detail as if it was

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yesterday. This demonic dog like creature
is coming over the left side of the

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bed and it just wants to scratch
my arm, and the sun's coming in.

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My mom is asleep, and that's
where it ends. It disappears,

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it goes into just complete nothing.
And I have no other memory of that

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morning besides that, but being forty
four and looking back and seeing myself as

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a four year old child. It's
one of the very first memories I've ever

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had. I don't have a lot
of memories as a child because I grew

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up in a very, very abusive
and horrible childhood. But the crazy part

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is that I can remember that day, that morning as if it was yesterday

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now that I'm forty four, remembering
for a four year old child, and

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that is what it's absolutely astonishing for
me. So that was my very first

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dog man encounter. Was a flesh
and blood? Was it completely spiritual?

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Well just imagine, I mean,
it comes over the bed, it disappears,

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so you know, you'd be the
judge as far as you know.

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Was a paranormal? Was it supernatural? Was a pre natural? Was it

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demonic? I can tell you right
now that I was absolutely afraid. I

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was terrified being a four year old
kid seeing these type of things. It

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was absolutely a nightmare. It was
my very first experience, but it was

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an absolute nightmare. And to this
day, remembering all the details tells me

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that it was something that was completely
substantial, something that was completely real,

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And there's just I wouldn't know how
to discredit it. As far as my

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very first experience. Now going into
my second experience, now that I'm living

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in a certain apartment here that I
lived in for almost ten years here in

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Saint Paul, Minnesota. I had
two dogs, Gabriel and Kaija. They

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have passed away as about two and
a half years ago this encounter happened.

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I would say it's twenty twenty three, so I'm guessing that this encounter happened

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back in Oh gosh, I think
it was like twenty nineteen something like that.

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I had two boys, two boy
pit bulls, Like I said,

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Gabriel and Kaija, very big pit
bulls. They were one hundred and ten

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pounds apiece, big boys. But
they were also my medical service dogs.

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I had trained them and I made
them my medical service dogs, and that's

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the reason why they could live with
me in my apartment. Anyways, my

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boy Gabriel was the biggest of them. He was one hundred and ten Kaija

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was ninety eight pounds. But he
was a big boy. But he was

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also a very sensitive boy. And
I would get in later in our talk

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about paranormal experiences, but he could
always tell when something almost paranormal was happening.

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He would react in a certain way. That we'll get into later.

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But I was taking my boys to
go potty. So basically I had it,

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you know, go out my door, I take the elevator down,

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and go out the back of the
building. So we took the elevator down.

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We're going out to the back of
the building. Now it was nighttime.

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It was very dark outside. I
lived right next to a major highway,

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which is literally zones throwaway. I'm
guessing about the entrance ramp for the

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highways about gosh from where we were, I'd say about maybe seventy eighty feet

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away, and it goes right on
down. It's a right hand entrance,

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and then it goes on too Highway
ninety four, which runs right through Minnesota.

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And it was dark out, but
there were street lamps. There is

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a road. There's the on ramp, but there's also a road that runs

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east and west, and we were
facing south looking into the road. We

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had come downstairs, we're outside,
we're facing that direction and my boy Gabriel

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turns to the right and I'm like, let's go potty. Come on,

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yo, hey, let's go to
the bathroom, Like come on, let's

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go, guys, but he wouldn't
move. I was jerking the leash,

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and I noticed he's not moving.
Now, my boy Kaiser is kind of

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just meandering about on the leash.
I had extender leashes which allowed the dog

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to go up to thirteen feet,
but Gabriel was locked looking to our right.

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So he's looking west. And basically
it's a large yard, no fences

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or anything like that, but it's
it's a large yard next to the building.

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And if you look about eighty ninety
yards in that direction, you're just

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going to come into some houses and
a fence. He's locked in that direction,

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and when you look down there,
it looks dark, so it doesn't

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look like a yard that's completely lit
up. Now there are lights. Part

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of the yard is lit up,
but that part of the yard is dark

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because there are no lights at the
very end of that part of the yard,

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just just a fence and some houses. I look over in that direction

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and Gabe went into his pit bull
stance, chest out, legs centered,

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just ready to take on whatever is
going on in that direction. I look

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downward and I see this black shape. Now to kind of give you some

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kind of idea what this black shape
look like. This is where it gets

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difficult because a second I saw it. It took off. It moved with

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preternatural speed, a speed that you
just you can't attribute to anything that's natural

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or to anything that you could associate
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kingdom, or a bird or anything. And to give you an idea of

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that shape, here on Vic's channel, the opening credits, there's that picture

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of the werewolf with a muscular body, the muscular legs. You know,

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you got that long thigh leg going
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And what I saw was whatever it
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But the blackness literally looked like I
was looking into a black void.

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I saw no details, I saw
no fur, I didn't see any details

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whatsoever except for it like a black
void. And then the overall shape.

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And what I would say, you
know what we think about when we think

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about werewolves, like from the movie
Underworld, just the long legs, the

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muscular body. But now seeing it
as a black shape, I saw it

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go from left to right and it
took off with speed I can't even imagine

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it. It was so quick,
but it left an impression in my mind

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that I can't forget. I just
saw the legs shoot out and the body

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moved forward. The legs I saw
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and two, one thousand, three, one thousand, I would say about

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three or four seconds, and it
just took off from left to right and

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then disappeared behind the building. Now
it didn't look like a physical, flesh

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and blood body. It just looked
like a black, voided shape. But

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the shape was defined, but the
details were not. And that was my

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second encounter. And like I said, my boy Gabriel, my big tan

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colored pitball, he was always very
sensitive to this stuff. And whenever we'd

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go outside, I would say about
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he would look in that direction.
Even before that encounter, he would look

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in that direction and he would wonder, like what am I staying over there?

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He just had a look on his
face, like what's going on over

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there? I need to protect my
owner, Jason, I need to protect

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all of us, And he would
just look in that direction and just want

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to completely protect us. He wanted
to completely just just get in between whatever

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was in that direction and us.
In most days, you know, we'd

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go potty and we'd go about our
business back there, but there would be

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times where he would just lock into
position, eyes locked in that direction and

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he just wouldn't move until, you
know, after several minutes of just urging

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him to go. So that was
my second encounter and my third encounter leading

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up to four here. My third
encounter, it was again at night.

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I was with my best friend Samus
Josh. He lives on the fourth floor

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of my building. I live on
the third floor. We're both outdoors and

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we're backpackers where hikers were bushcrafters,
And just to give you an idea,

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we live in the inner city,
so we live in the ghettos of the

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inner city of Saint Paul, so
us being a doorsment, bushcrafters, backpackers,

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all that stuff, YadA YadA.
We are kind of a rare bunch.

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And when I get into more about
me, you'll kind of see why

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it might be a little bit rare
to be what we are, especially in

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this area. We're kind of the
only ones. But we were going to

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go for a walk down by the
Mississippi River where we go a lot.

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We have like a little campfire.
We have a little metal stove that we

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can set up and you put wood
inside of it and you can make yourself

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like a little fire, because of
course we don't want to have a big

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bondfire in the middle of the city, but we have like a little concentrated

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fire. Well, we drive over
to Minneapolis, which is west of Saint

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Paul. We live in the Twin
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That's call the Twin Cities. And
Minneapolis is about all i'd say,

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about ten fifteen minutes from where we
live. And we would go through downtown

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and go to a certain area to
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We park our car. It's I
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about nine ten o'clock. You know, we're kind of night alls, so

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we go out late. We parked
the car, we walked down a hill

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and we get on this paved path
that you could bicycle on, you can

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walk on, and it meanders through
kind of like a city park. So

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we meander through this path and we
get to the river and we decide to

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have a campfire in our little concentrated
stove. And I would say it was

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about oh gosh, maybe yeah,
I think it was about April April or

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May. So we know that the
snow was starting to melt. You know,

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we have our camp fire. It's
facing the river, and we're just

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slightly off the pavement of the path
and we're sitting on a bench. There's

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like a little bench there which makes
it easy just to sit in front of

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a fire. Well, I guess
it was about one or two o'clock in

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the morning and we decided to go
home, so we shut everything down,

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we break camp, so to speak. We put our backpacks back on,

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and we decided to take the path
back to the car. Well, this

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is going to lead up into our
two experiences because we had them together.

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We were taking the path back to
the car, and off to the right

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of the path, to the right
of us is kind of a woodsy area,

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and then off to the left of
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really nowhere to go beside just going
straight into the river. Well, off

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to the right is like I said, the woods. But on the path

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as we were walking, as we
walked about five or six minutes, and

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there was blotches of snow on the
path. And you know, to be

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honest, that late at night,
I don't know how we noticed it,

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but maybe that's the whole point that
we did notice it, like it was

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that substantial. We looked down on
the ground. We had head lamps on,

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but there's still the light coming off
the river. I got the moon.

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There's a police stage where they trained
canine dogs right across the river,

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so they had huge standing lights and
all that kind of jazz. So it

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is kind of lit up a little
bit. It isn't pitch black. And

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we noticed in the snow there was
a blotch of snow I would say about

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a couple of feet wide. And
then the rest of us pavement we noticed

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two tracks. This is key two
tracks. So we looked down at the

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track and what we see captivated us
I would say for about twenty or twenty

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five minutes. I mean it really
captivated us. We looked down and we

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see this dog print. I mean, if you want to call it that,

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but we see this dog print that
was absolutely huge, mongous like it.

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It was the biggest thing we've ever
seen. We did not see four.

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We saw two, two right next
to each other. We see the

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general pad of the dog print,
and we see you've got the toenails.

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Like I said, an average dog
print, except this wasn't averag in size.

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It was gigantic. We thought to
ourselves, Okay, what could this

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be because at this time we're not
thinking dog man. That would have been

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the furthest thing from our mind at
that point. We're looking down at this

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print and through our minds, we're
talking to each other. Through our minds,

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we're thinking, like, what can
this be, Like we had to

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get answers, Like it was that
big of a print that we had to

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get answers. We're thinking, okay, great Dane Irish wolfhound mastiff, and

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we keep saying, no, it's
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Then we're thinking Bobcat because bobcat prints
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so they can walk on top of
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but it doesn't look like a cat
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too big. So anyways, we
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our brain and we could not figure
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was just the largest dog print on
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I said, we saw two next
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four. And there was room to
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that huge section of snuff. It
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have seen four prints. No,
we saw it too, and like I

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said, it captivated us for about
twenty or twenty five minutes. Finally we're

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just like, we don't know,
let's just go home. But we talk

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about it every now and then we
talk about it. We reminisce about it,

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like now that we know about dog
men more. I've always been into

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all this kind of stuff, but
now that we're really into this stuff,

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both me and Josh, I remember, we're really into this stuff. I'm

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more of a believer than he is. He's more of a skeptic. He's

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more I'm not going to one hundred
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At least that's what he tells me. But he believes, and I know

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for me, I believe. Like
I said, I've had my own encounters,

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you know, and everybody else who's
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to be a fool not to believe. Too much has happened, and you

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get to a point where so much
has happened that you just how do you

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keep denying it at that point?
Like how do you keep saying no,

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No, it can't be how do
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talk about those prints and all that
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Well that leads into the fourth encounter
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the same area there were the prints. This was about a year later.

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We're walking on that path once again. It's about one two three in the

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morning. We're walking that path to
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that was where we had the fire. We're next to the river. There's

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the police canine training area across the
river. So we're taking that same path

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a year later back to the car. And this is where it gets strange.

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It's quick, it doesn't last long, but it happens. We're walking

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the path and all of a sudden
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path, it's kind of like sections
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you got your bushes, you got
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But in that particular section of the
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our headlamps. So we're walking down
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the right. We stop. You
know, we're thinking, okay, oh,

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maybe it's a deer, maybe it's
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Is that closest to me. I
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would say about five six feet off
to my right, I'm looking at two

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sets of eyeshine, and I would
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tallest eyeshine that I saw was taller
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I'm six foot, just under six
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two. We look over and it's
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by much, just a little bit
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set of eyeshine was just a few
inches below that. So I'm guessing the

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tallest one was probably about six five
six six, and the shortest one was

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about oh, i'd say about maybe
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guessing maybe more like five to eleven. But we look off to the right,

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we see the two sets of eyeshine, and Josh is like, oh,

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maybe it's dear, and I'm like, are you serious? And I'm

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looking at I'm looking at these things, and and then in that instant,

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like like if you just want to
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I felt this overwhelming sense of fear. I felt this overwhelming sense of just

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leave, get out of here,
go, go go. I started praying

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for strengths, Like I said,
this is happening all the blank of an

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eye. I'm not saying anything out
loud, just internally, I'm like,

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whatever this is, whatever these feelings
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way to just to be strong because
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But it kind of crosses my mind
like this isn't normal, this isn't right,

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this isn't natural, and I'm feeling
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to get out of here. Well, we're looking at this eyeshine, and

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this eyeshine didn't seem to react like
deer. This eyeshine was like penetrating and

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it was staring right at us,
and whatever was there, it was not

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moving. It was not moving at
all. It was like it was just

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locked there. I mean, you
think about deer, and you know,

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we're two big guys. I'm muscular
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fifty pounds. Josh is six two, and we both got our backpacks on

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larger backpacks. We got gear with
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you know, and we're talking out
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and whatever this is, it's not
going away. It's just staring at us

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with a penetrative stare. Like I
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and I'm like, Josh, let's
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just go. Well, the eyeshine
stayed there, kept looking at us,

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and I kept looking over my shoulder
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we just continued on the trail.
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we have our talks about that eyeshine
and now that we know more about dog

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men and I'm more into all this
stuff at this point. It does raise

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the question, like what were we
staring at? What was that feeling of

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overwhelming fear, thinking like we need
to get out of here when we see

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Dear? Do we have those feelings
when we see Dear? Do we feel

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like absolutely terrified and afraid and like
we need to get out of here.

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And I'll get into later about those
feelings of fear that washes over us later

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in the show, but yeah,
that was it. We walked home.

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To this day we talk about it. My friend Josh thinks he wants to

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feel that it's dear because I just
honestly, I think he just can't come

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to terms with maybe it being something
else. But my experiences weren't like I'm

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seeing this big, crazy creature chasing
us down a trail, attacking us,

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chomping us jaws. My experience goes
a lot deeper than that. I would

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like to help people with these experiences
because of what goes back, like when

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I mentioned in experience I had when
I was four years old, when whatever

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that was, that demonic being or
whatever you want to call it, came

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over the bed and scratched my arm. From that moment on, I was

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having spiritual experiences so severe that the
older I got, the more severe they

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got. And I would like to
help people with their trauma and their experiences

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because I feel that it changes people's
lives when they have these experiences, or

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when they have any kind of paranormal
experience, and maybe it's not dogment per

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se, maybe it's a paranormal experience
or supernatural experience that they suffer in their

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life where they might need support,
they might need someone just to listen and

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to accept what they have to say. Something to to be somebody who's just

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going to be on their side,
someone who's not going to laugh at them,

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judge them, condemn them, but
someone to just be a peer support.

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I'm not a psychologist. I'm a
social worker, but I'm a good

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listener. I like to believe that
I'm intelligent, and i'd like to believe

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that, you know, I've got
some wisdom to offer. I just want

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to help people. After my car
accident where I broke my back, I

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got hooked on my pain pills and
I had to go into rehab to get

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off those pain pills. I wasn't
scoring on the street, but my pain

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doctor was prescribing absolute crazy amounts and
crazy dosages of pain pills. Long story

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short, I had to go into
rehab to get off the pain pills correctly.

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I learned in rehab that my purpose
in life was to serve people,

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was to be of service and with
all the experiences, because I mean,

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I talked about my dogment experiences,
but that's nothing compared to my paranormal and

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supernatural experiences, especially when it comes
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the demonic My experiences are absolutely intense
and many, many, many of them,

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and I would like to help people
with any of that. I've done

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so much in that realm, in
that particular area of focus, that I

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would like to be that person for
somebody else that would listen, not judge,

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not condemned, would help, just
be a complete supporting factor, and

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not to support and listen, but
give them the tools and to give them,

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let's just call them weapons and shields
to defend themselves and to go on

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the attack against these things, whether
it's dog men, paranormal, demonic,

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I mean, whatever, I mean, they're all kind of the same thing.

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At least that's what I believe.
But for anybody who would like to

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reach me, VIC is going to
leave a link to my Facebook account where

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you can contact me about anything dogmen
or paranormal, any type of experience you've

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had that may be troubling, or
something that's related to the show, or

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any experience. You'll leave a link
to my Facebook account and we'll go from

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there. So I appreciate everybody who's
listened to me tonight. It's been an

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absolute honor, and I hope to
be of service and to be of help

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and Just check out that link and
we'll talk, hopefully sometime soon. I

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appreciate it, Thank you,