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Yeah and now Grated Noise and Omdia. Thirty first day of May. Hey,
there are thirty one days in May, allegedly according to that thing we
call a calendar, twenty twenty four. And this is the O'Kelly effect.
And we're live on a Friarsday. Now. I was live on Thursday.
I did run some stuff on Wednesday. I had a planned guest for Tuesday
that didn't show up. I still haven't found out why. But things are
flowing anyway. It's Friday night, and if you're hearing us live, and
that does mean just let's see, it's about twelve minutes after eight pm because
I went late to the stream. So we're gonna run the show a little
late tonight, but not too much unless I get some participation, how about
that? So if we get more calls, if we get some donations,
I will keep the show going. If you guys want to talk, I'm
already dreading the discussion that we're probably gonna have to have because uh, yesterday's
news, right, Okay, I'll leave it at that. We'll hear more
about it later and you'll hear more about lots of stuff later. I'm sure
I don't know what people are gonna say or if they're gonna bother to call
in, But we're here three one nine, five, two seven, five
zero one six three one nine five two seven five zero one six. And
I didn't even put out the pre show posts on social media to tell people
that we're gonna be live. But come on, man, it's already up
there. Friday nights, we do this every Friday. I try to make
sure we get to this show as long as I got internet, even if
my co hosts can't show up, I try and do this. I don't
think we've skipped more than a couple of shows in the past three years that
I can think of. I mean, well, I guess there was one
I had to skip when I went to Dallas, and what else I don't
I don't think i've skipped a Friday night call in now and at least three
four years, bet Pete, when was the last time we skipped a show
outside of being on the road to Dallas. It's I don't know. I'm
trying to think, now, when did you have your last episode with headaches?
Well? I had know we missed one. I think in there,
well, I was cripp what a year ago maybe, but I mean I
was crippled like a year and a half ago, Like I couldn't even keep
my head up, and there was no way I could produce or nothing.
I mean. But other than that, I mean, there was one time
where I had internet connections that went out right, and I missed that one.
But other than that, it's not We're usually here Friday nights. I
mean, look very rare. You bounced on one show because of internet outage,
and then you had to go to work one night, and you said
it was sick one night. Yeah yeah, or okay, you were sick
one night. But I'm just saying, if you think about it, you
could think of maybe five instances in five years. We didn't show up in
many at all. You count them on one hand. Because when I was
sick was after we got back from Dallas. Remember oh right, yeah,
because we were all sick. Yeah, that's why the whole damn hotel was
sick. I think, yeah, well we were all mad because remember the
well, and we pointed out remember the guy who came by. I think
I'm too sick to be here. But I wanted to come by and cough
and breathe on you. I wanted to share it with the crowd. I
figured I might as well drop this off with you before I leave. I
almost thought we all caught coron ties to China. Maybe he was, you
know, maybe maybe he was an agent of the Biden campaign trying to get
you. What do you think did DeNiro send him? Probably one of my
ex wives. See, now that's way more likely. I could definitely see
one of my ex well, my my only ex wife. Actually got one
ex wife. They're both dead, but one of them died while married to
me, and one of them I divorced, and then she died years later.
But they're family. One of their families would not be beyond sending somebody
to go cough some horrible stuff on me. I'm sure I'll never forget.
We had a guy that worked with us, and it was a Christmas party
and invited to his wife and we're all sitting around drinking a beer, seeping
shit before we eat, and uh, it's something with some comment was made
about which one of them would go first, and she made some comment to
her husband. She goes, yeah, I know. A week after I'm
gone, you'll have some young blonde up there in my house. He started
laughing, and we all looked at it. He goes, well, week
or you can't beat the party, won't be over with by them. Yeah,
Kim tries to say that stuff all the time. I know, you'll
have a woman in here in like a couple of days. I'm like,
where am I getting that from? Uh? Really? Women? I don't
know any women. I don't have any friends. Where am I getting women
from? Really? You don't let me talk to women? How I'm supposed
to get one up here? Jesus? Uh? When's the last time you
see me talk to a woman? You know? I used to hate that.
Well, my actually belonged to a civic organization, so she would constantly
want to go to their events, and I'd go. And these people are
about ten years younger than me. It was a whole different group. You
know. It's funny, but it's like every female that showed up right,
I couldn't send a load to them. I had to hear about it later.
I'm going, like, why the hell do you join the fucking club
if you're so jealous of all these bad women that are members. I just
don't get it. I don't understand women will. That made me nuts when
I was a musician, because if I got to I would always try to
get a girlfriend who really wasn't all that interested in my music. And you
know why, because this way they wouldn't go with me to shows and stuff.
It would be like, no, you go do that. I don't
want to hear it, because otherwise I'll sit there and somebody, inevitably this
will happen, right, some female will come up drunk and like I really
liked your music, and I'll be like, oh, yeah, thank you
very much. You know I got tapes over here. Why don't you buy
a demo or a t shirt or And I'm nice to them, right,
and why because I want them to buy something, right, And by the
way, here's a flyer for our next show. Come to our next show.
And this is the course of doing business now, even when dudes come
over to me who were like, dude, man, you're the best man,
or you know your guitarist is awesome. Man? You know same thing,
right, we'll go buy a tape. Dude. Here here's the flyer
for the next show. Hey, why don't you hang out with us?
I would do that, and inevitably, if there was a woman with me
that wanted to go to the shows, I would spend the next week hearing
about it, you know, like a bit you that woman that had you
know, and she always remembered what they were wearing. I didn't. I
couldn't see nothing. I'm blind as hell. They know this, and they're
going, you know that woman that was dressed just like this, like you
like it? Right? Huh? What? Like? I didn't even rememb
remember who she's talking about. She's got to bring it back up. And
I go, well, okay, I remember vaguely. Oh did I sell
her tape? Oh? I got one. I got one better than that.
The that was part of her of the ball team, you know,
we had our box seats were right behind home plate, so you're kind of
center. And this is an old This is an old stadium that was built
back I think in the thirties or forties, if I'm not mistaken. Beautiful
old architecture style stadium. And it was just a big ramp. He went
about oh hell, not more than twenty feet in any direction. You had
a ramp that went down to the main concourse where all the souvenirs and you
know, vending and all that was going on. Right. So I was
dating a girl at time work for a newspaper. She was a reporter,
and she was gone a lot, so she couldn't make many of the games.
She came one night, She's sitting there in the box and all these
girls that I did, that I had gone to school with, or they
were friends of my brothers, or somehow we knew. I mean, it
wasn't you know the town we were in wasn't that big. You've lived there,
you know, so you know a lot of people. Well, she
said, there one night she noticed all these women were coming up and talking
to me, and then you know about the eighth innut. She goes,
you know, you've been real popular tonight she's kind of getting a little jealous
and all that. I said, what are you talking about? She says,
All those women are stopping to say hi. I said, did you
notice one thing about them? Your reporters. They'll pick this out. She
goes, what I said, they all got a beer while they were here.
I said, it's their boyfriends up in the stands sending them down here
because they know I get my beer quicker than anybody else. All I got
to do is tell one of nam mushers, go get me three beers.
They go get me three beers. She was like getting all ticked off for
no reason. Right, it's just because I knew, I said, every
one of those girls stop by here and say hello to me. I said,
I either went to school with or I know their boyfriend or you know.
So she just couldn't understand. She wasn't from that area, so she
didn't know as many people as anybody had gone to school there for you know,
several years. It was funny, she gave me, l Plus,
they're not gonna be this is the most innocent thing in the world and just
coming up here to get their beer quicker instead of having to stand in line.
Well, and that's more than just the speed of the beer, because
they're also not going to bring you the water down cups that end up circulating,
because after a while when they put ice in that beer, right,
you know, ours were never ice now, no no, no, no,
no, no, no no. Oh. Well, the last time
I went to a minor league game, I believe me, it was like,
try and figure out where they're not selling you the ice down beers because
if they do, it's going to turn the watery beer by the time it
gets around around a bit, right, those guys carry them around. So,
pia, what was the last major league team to get beer in their
stadium? The last major league team hmm, yeah, to get beer in
their stadium and it was brought into the stadium by a football team, not
the baseball team. Gonna guess Colorado, Nope, okay, Toronto Blue Jays.
Toronto Blue Jays. Oh, they were owned. They were partially owned
by La Bat's Brewery. That was the funny thing. They didn't want to
put beer in the ballpark because it would look like Labat's was just trying to
sell beer. So what they waited for was Canadian Football League, the Toronto
Argonauts. When they started their season, they got the license to put beer
in the stadium, and then after that it was there for all you know,
anybody that used the venue, it was right, So the facility is
already there and even if they wanted to hold a concert there while they got
beer, right, Yeah, the Bats at that time, it was like
the number one beer you know in that section of Canada at that time.
That's odd. I didn't know the Bat's was sold in Canada even really but
okay, oh yeah, that's an old, old Canadian brewery. See.
I always think of Molson when I think of Canada, you know, yeah,
Moulson, Moosehead one. Yeah, where was Carling? We're did Carling
story? I don't have to look that up anyway. What news have you
caught up with this week? You know, we've got the big event of
yesterday when the world as we know it ended? Oh God help us.
Yeah, well there's that, right, and but better than that, I
saw something here was kind of funny. Where is it this story? Let
me see? Oh, COVID shots during pregnancy can cause brain damage in offspring,
according to a study. Well what a shock. Also, I heard
that you have an increased a chance of death fifteen years after your shots.
Now, so if you make it through the fifteen I guess. I guess
you break the bubble and you're it's gonna be okay. Let me ask you
a question about that, though, because I would love to say yeah,
yeah, yeah on that. But here's the problem. It has hasn't been
fifteen years since the shot. So where is there empirical proof that you have
a You see what I'm saying you got to get from fifteen years away from
that shot in order to say that there is a trend that happened fifteen years
away from that shot. Or am I crazy? Or are they just doing
the math and going, well, they're making a projection. Let's see what
is it? Are they making a projection going like, look if we multiplied
by ten a year and a half, Well, let's see, here's the
story. Top expert war in facts will keep dying, will keep dying up
to fifteen years after COVID shots. One of the world's leading cardiologists has issued
a bone chilling warning to the public that the COVID vaccination will remain at risk
of dying from the fifteen years after they received their last COVID mRNA shot.
The acclaimed American doctor raised the alarm over long term death the vaxed or in
a news interview with Real America's Voice. Guy's name is McCullough. Let me
go to this the parent story. Oh, David mccollins slay news. Have
you ever heard them? Yeah, but David McCullough put that out. Let's
see, let me get to the main story. Oh hey, somebody pointed
out that. Yeah, we got struck by lightning the one day, but
I think that was on a Wednesday when I got struck by lightning because I
was producing the Donald Jeffrey Show when it happened. If I remember correctly,
this is uh, doctor Peter McCullough and v Peter. Yes, there we
go, Peter or David right, all right, so Peter, I get
his sub stack all the time. Yeah, so I was just curious if
I had that. He's from He's got degrees from Baylor, University of Texas,
Southwestern, University of Michigan, Southern Methodist. Anyway, that's just his
page. I'll put a link to the story in the room, no problem,
Yeah, definitely. Because somehow he's done this, I'll put it in
there. It doesn't I'm not sure how he it is calculations. See,
generally, i'm supportive of McCullough's stuff, and that's why I subscribe to it
and read it. And you know, I don't read everything, but he
does put out podcasts. He's been sounding this alarm since you know, the
shots were the new thing, I mean since warp speed. Mccull has been
out there right, Okay, he's basing this he's. Mccullull was referencing a
bomb sale report published published by the US Food and Drug Administration's Center for Biological
Evolution and Research. The document acknowledges that gene therapy products they very well call
side effects long after they've been administered. According to new scientific evidence, people
could experience major health implications or death between five and fifteen years after receiving an
mRNA injection. Between five and fifteen years. Well, I mean, he
says on page four. Now, this is a quote from the FDA to
Agency advice sponsors to observe subjects for delayed adverse events for as long as fifteen
years following exposure to the investigational GT products, specifying that the LTFU observation should
include a minimum of five years of annual examinations followed by ten years of annual
careeries of study subjects, either in person or by questionnaire. So I guess
what he's I don't know he's taking the fifteen years that they're saying to study
these patients, as you could have problems in that length of time. I
don't know how he You know, the FDA arrives at the ten years after
the five years see generally, I would say, all right, And I'm
generally supportive of Peter McCullough, and he's usually right about a lot of stuff
he says, and he has conversations with other doctors, different scientists, I
mean, and he puts out a lot of good information. But I got
a problem with this when these guys make these extrapolations and they don't have have
all kinds of factors that are unknown that could occur. I mean, a
decade is, you know, in a certain sense, not a very long
period on a timeline, but it's extremely long. Huh. Yeah, ten
years is not long at all, really well, but ten years in a
lifespan of a person is significant. And why do I say that, because
think about this, at any point in time, pick a point on a
timeline, bp't okay, and then go ten years before or ten years after,
and tell me that you know your life or your behaviors or anything else
are not significantly different in some way because of various factors. Right, And
you've got to accept that there's a whole lot that could go into interaction here.
All right, I imagine that somebody theoretically BP just bear with me a
moment, if you and I are, you know, eating like we did
when we went to Dallas, right, and that's the way we eat all
the time. Our health will be different ten years from now if that is
the consistent pattern that we take. Now, if we change our diets and
we change our lifestyles, and you know, both of us lose some weight
and this and that, ten years from now, if we consistently maintain that,
we're going to be in different shape. I'm thinking that our bodies are
immune systems. Everything will react differently depending on what you do over those ten
years. So how do you make this overall statement when you don't have a
ten year time period where you can simply pull data off the timeline? Right?
I mean you must have to multiply something else. Like I said,
if you went one and a half years and said, well let's multiply that
right by ten, well, all right, then that turns into fifteen years.
Right. But multiplying or extrapolating simply by numerical assignment doesn't make sense when
you're tracking the interaction with a living organism. In my mind, what if
the environment changes. Is there a difference between somebody who lives in a hot
environment or a cold environment, right. I mean, if you're living in
you know, a place where there's only like two months worth of spring and
there is no summer because it's cold there all the time. I'm thinking that
your body will react differently when it comes to your immune system. You're obviously
not interacting with a whole bunch of stuff like pollen and things like this,
because you don't have the same sort of cycle of plants inaction. Though,
if they if they're facing some of the projection on past results from RM in
a ah, the But that's weird too, because didn't they say I have
a reason. Well, but didn't they say this is a new technology that
has not been utilized before. I mean, it seems to me as though
that was it. Maybe across the board it was no, because the guy
that you know perfected the way to do it and started the whole process.
He came out with these when they started with these vaccines, and he goes,
hey, he says, this isn't what is these things? They have
not gone through any testing. They've not been out long enough to know what
they're going to do. So but that's the point. But they have been
used in certain processes like I give you an example, in the agriculture industry
when it comes to plant or animal husbandry and things of that nature. There's
a lot of this that goes on. That's probably the biggest use of it
right now. It's in the EG industry. Okay, but they but what
I understood is the new element here that nanotech, right, the thing that
is a most dangerous consequence in a lot of people's minds where they think it's
going to be chipped and this, and that the nanotech element was not around.
That was new part of the process was around, but it had not
been tested on a significant population. You see what I'm saying, Like,
where are you getting this from? If it has not been loosed or you
even tested on a significant enough control group, and also a group that would
have no exposure. You have to have a completely separate control group in order
to have a scientific experiment where you can make a comparison here, right,
Like in other words, Okay, you got a population, let's just say
a thousand people that were given the shot, then you've got to have another
thousand that were given none of it and not exposed to it, right,
because they would be the control group. What happens if we don't give them
anything or placebo or whatever. And they never did this, so and again
you still don't have that timeline. And like I said, there are so
many other factors that go into the health of an organism that would contribute to
its lifespan. Yeah, but did you think about it though? Mr Anda
technology has been around since the seventies. Okay, they've you know, it's
well, actually the early sixties, but you know, I guess it's been
its youth has become commonplace in the seventies. So we're looking at what fifty
years of use in certain areas. I'm sure that there are studies that have
been done. I know these studies have been done on the agricultural end of
things to see whether you know, we can even bring this product to market
or this species of hog use in Smithfield hoghouses. You know. So now
I understand and they and they to be able to come up with the fifteen
years. I'm thinking that there's enough out there known that they would think the
five years of extensive monitoring and then another ten years of yearly monitoring. I
guess they're saying that in ten years, all chances of any adverse effects should
have been grown out of the person, or if it didn't have any in
fifteen years, then it's not going to happen. Well, I guess based
on statistics and odds, you know, being that we are supposed to be
in a time period quite honestly, be where I've seen scientific projections that said
that, you know, half of our ozone should be gone, being that
we live in a time period where there's supposed to have been various plagues that
should have hit us by now, okay, epidemics based on other people's projections,
being that the population should have done other things like exploded, well beyond
the alleged numbers that they say they've counted. And by the way, we
have a population decline as far as replacement goes in certain places where that was
not predicted previously. I got to tell you, I don't have a lot
of faith in these scientists and their projections because any of the alarmist stuff that
was ever given to us. I mean, do you remember in the nineteen
eighties that there was that giant hole in the ozone and they said it was
caused by stuff that was you know, it was what was the phrase tetrafluorocarbons
right, Yeah, floral carbons were depleting the ozone okay, and those things,
right, and those things came from spray cans, and they came from
air conditioner units, right, and yeah, exhaust and just byproduct of using
the chemicals. Yeah. Right, So we didn't reduce that stuff too much.
And if you go mathematically with the projections, there was this big hole
and opening in the ozone layer, which, by the way, they had
said that it was caused by all these chemicals. And when I was in
high school, I did a study on it and found that they had seen
a similar phenomena previously, before those chemicals were even in widespread use on the
planet. Okay. And it was again over one of the Arctic masses,
all right, just like it had been in the eighties. I remember the
specific huge hole in the ozone that was either and I don't remember if it
was North or South Pole at this point, but it was over one of
the Arctic masses, either the northern or southern Okay. Yeah, because I
remember when they were having the hearings on banning certain chloral floral carbons on CFCs
that yeah, I remember when all that was going on, you know,
and they're talking to said, well, that's why it's going to melt the
polarized cap. And supposedly we banned the products and the hole has filled back
up and now it's now we're trapping too much warmth. I mean, that's
what that big hole above the North Pole was, is to let the heat
out. Well, who knows. I mean, look, we didn't melt.
There has been a lot of melting of various structures. Right. There
are glaciers that have disappeared. There's you know, Greenland used to be a
lot more icy, it isn't now. You know, there's parts of Russia
that now they can drill into because previously they were solid ice. Exon Mobile
was tracking that at the time, and believe me, they exploited it.
They have definitely continued and that's causing another catastrophe because this is all the these
glaciers received and all this stuff is now exposed. You have the massive amount
of methane being pumped into the atmosphere, right, which is a greenhouse gas,
which is going to cause things to be even worse. You know,
we're gonna die in another ten years, So, I mean, it's always
something. Here's but here's the problem by twenty twenty. If you remember in
nineteen eighty, they were like, by twenty twenty, we're screwed, and
yeah, just go look at Al Gore's film. What the hell was the
name of it? Oh? Oh my goodness, the thing that came out
around two thousand, right, it was like not not long after maybe it's
two thousand and two. Oh man, I can't remember it, but yeah,
yeah, it's big environmental afterate that the British government finally said, okay,
you got it. If you're going to show this in classrooms, you
got to play a disclaimer, right right. Well, but the thing is
I proved in high school by the way, that there was observations after immediately
following World War Two, okay, where they saw the same phenomena, a
larger hole in fact than the one that they said existed based on all these
products. And then I tracked when those products were introduced into the consumer market
and when they were used for commercial purposes, et cetera. And guess what
when there was way less cars on the road in nineteen fifty, all right,
and when there was way less spray cans and way less air conditioning on
the planet, and all that all that stuff that they said was doing this.
We had a bigger hole, a bigger one that nobody knew what the
hell it was for. It was like, why is this a rip open?
And are you know? And I'm like, see, this is a
phenomena that is not fully understood. And that was like my global science thesis
because they had this new science program in my school, which was weird.
It was like an urban experiment global science, and in that class they taught
us about play tectonics and a bunch of things like that stuff. I think
about this though, if you, let's say you wrote a paper and sent
it to the National Academy of Sciences on your experiment that basically came out and
said, this stuff is basically too complicated that anybody could even figure out a
model that you could use. And let's say you did that, you realize
you'd be another skeptic of the hockey stick model and all these other things,
and you would have been canceled for simply coming up with the truth of you
can't predict climate. Well, there's too many variables for you to be able
to say what this Earth is going to do because you have no way to
know what it's done well. Ultimately, my science teacher said that it was
a college level thing that I had done with research and all that, because
I remember no internet in nineteen ninety or ninety one, if you were,
and how old were you at the time. Uh well what nineteen ninety I
was eighteen? So yeah, okay, So you send that paper out,
people start publishing it. You realize the amount of people that would come down
on you with well see back then, no, but you know, go
ten years in advance, and an Inconvenient truth. That's that's the name of
it. You put it in the chat room. Good, an inconvenient truth.
That was the name of al Gore's thing. But he put that out
in what two thousand and two? Is that right? Uh? Things,
Yeah, that sounds about right. Well, let me look that up up.
Yeah, let me look that up and make sure about it. I
don't want to say the wrong thing, but I'm thinking it was two thousand
and two. Either way, it was like right after he lost the uh
presidential uh you know game? Yeah, what was it like? Uh,
let's see two thousand and six. Oh wow, okay, so it was
even further after that. Yeah, IMDb says two thousand and six, YEP
filmmaker Davis Guggenheim, right, directed by Davis Gugenheim. Is that his name,
Gougenheim, Yes, it is Googenheim. And Al Gore? Oh wow,
is this the Did he use the honey nut? Yes he did.
He used the honey nut. Cheerio's b voice actor on there too, Billy
West, the same guy who does ren his stupid Oh no, you know,
Al kind of feels sympathetic for Al. You know, he he hadn't
play second fiddle to Clinton. He had to, you know, kind of
shrug his shoulders and answer when everybody looked to him as to how could Bill
do these things, you know, with Monica and all that, And he,
you know, tried to distance himself and his wife. What does wife
one of the big ones that wanted to censor uh music albums and CDs?
Oh yeah, Tipper gorens Yes, Tipper Gore the parents being married to that,
having to listen to her pitch all the parents music then the parents Music
Resource Center, and she even convinced her husband to have hearings. I love
that, by the way, Those hearings are great, and those were decent
to d Sneyder, his big show up. D Schneider and Frank Zappa go
and and for some reason, I even remember Zappa. I should because I
really loved Zappa, but I always remember D Snyder sitting, you know,
just looking at him like I can't believe on the year. Yeah. D
Schneider was great, but Frank Zappa was the best because Frank Zappa showed up,
like, you know, in a suit and like with his hair done
like nineteen fifty style, like completely you know, but he was clearly it
was Frank Zappa, you know, sitting there going, are you guys really
imagine? So I kind of feel sympathy for Al. I mean, he
had to put up with Tip for all those years. Yeah, and then
he's gonna, you know, he's gonna tell us about global warming and all
the problems, and he sits down to make this movie and for it to
be found so full of crap that a government agency says, if you're going
to show this to our kids, it's not enough for you to tell them
that he could be this is his opinion on something, but you have to
read this disclaimer and provide it to that before we'll let you show it.
That's pretty bad. Michael Moore. It doesn't even have a movie that they
have to put a damn disclaim out for. Well, you know it's look.
You know what's even worse than any of that, though, is you
got to rewind even before the Clinton administration, because al Gore was considered like
literally, I remember getting publications like this because I was I was a junior,
high school and high school journalist, right, So we had publications that
came into the high school newspaper because it was supposed to inform us about stuff
that, you know, if we were going to write about politics or something
that was going on in the country. Believe it or not, we had
a pretty serious journalism teacher. Okay. It was like, you know,
you need to live And this is really strange too, because the New York
Times at the time was not the liberal paper at all, okay. It
was definitely like the most conservative news outlet in the Tri state area that you
could look at, the New York Times, okay, And that was like
his standard, like if you want to be able to write, if you
want to be a journalist, then your stuff better look like it belongs on
a newsstand with this, okay. And he wanted us informed if we were
going to write about, you know, the presidential election that was coming up
in ninety two or whatever. If we wanted to write about that, we
had to be informed. So they wanted us informed about who the upcoming candidates
were and stuff like that, right, because you know Reagan leaving office in
uh let's see now if he ran in eighty right, so eighty eight,
so Bush would take office in yeah, in eighty nine. Right, So
here's the deal at Clinton thing's office in ninety three, I think right anyway,
wait, which Bush are you talking about? Hw? Hw? Yeah,
Okay, you threw me there for a minute, because I thought,
no, the Bush junior was two thousand, right, I took office.
But what I'm saying is they were looking at who the up and comers were
in the party right now. Al Gore was was sort of like the up
and coming, young fresh Democrat, Okay, who was going to come up
with middle of the road ideas common sense. Okay. He wasn't all about
being part of the liberal agenda at the time, all right. He was
somewhat liberal, but he was also seemingly a new blend. Remember the new
Democrats before Clinton came in. Okay, Clinton came in and through personality swept
aside that he was competing with people like Gore and a bunch of people to
get that nomination. When he got in there, Gore was almost like the
the heir apparent, the inheritor, if you will, of the Democratic Party,
Like this was the stuff the Democratic Party was putting out, this is
the stuff that the political press was focusing on. Al Gore is up and
coming, and in fact he even shakes aside and puts aside all of the
misconceptions and problems that most of America has with Southern with Southern politicians and all
this stuff. Al Gore fresh face, and he's young, and his wife
is young, and they're young people who are looking to change America for the
better. They want to improve things. And it's not all liberal. Some
of it is very conservative. They need us to go back to, you
know, the almost make America great again thing, but with a little more
common sense and much more compassion was the idea. I mean, he was
taken. I mean, he's of the old school. You gotta think who
his dad was. His dad was a senator for years too, so right,
you know, and he was used to Tennesse politics, and back then,
you know, you still had the remnants of the conservative Democrats who helped
put Nixon in power. That's what you know, a lot of people think,
oh, yeah, that's when the party switched, right, the Democrats
became the Republicans, And that's all crap. What it was Nixon was able
to capitalize on those conservative Democrats in the South who believed in, you know,
a strong military and law and order. But you would say, some,
yeah, law and order and some of the moralistic things going on there.
You got to realize, you know a lot of these people are also
connected through the Bible Belt. Anyway, I know exactly what to say.
And yeah, Gore was predicted to be one of the up and comers,
right. He was that new group that was going to bring a whole new
faith to the Democrat Party. His problem was he had to lay second banana
to Slick Willing, but Clinton emerged. Now, that's the thing is,
Gore was really thought of as like, we're going to go through all this
and we're going to introduce you to a bunch of people. And that was
the first time I ever saw a whole bunch of life. Generally, normally
we'd get to an election cycle and people go, here's your Democrat, here's
your Republican. Right, most of that stuff was not covered by the news
very much. You didn't read about it in your local paper very much unless
your politician was local to you. Right, this kind of thing. You
know, when Carter was gonna run, certainly they wrote about it in Georgia.
But we didn't read about Carter's run in New Jersey, not until he
was fully in the running. So anyway, Gore was being written about in
advance. There were magazine articles. There was you know, like I said,
the Democrats had publications that they put out talking about the new face of
the Democratic Party, the whole thing. And this guy is not all liberal.
He's somewhat conservative, but he's conservative with compassion, right and all of
that. And what happens is they put together this group and I don't remember
the total group, but I do remember that Clinton was thought of like as
a joke in that group. Here comes his hick from Arkansas that nobody's ever
heard of, and nobody cares about who cares, Yes, that was the
difference. Though Gore was old Democrat, well, he had nepotism. He
had nepotism because of his father and because yeah yeah, and Clinton was this
newcomer who's bucking the system in Arkansas. Who the hell is he? Literally
he supposed to be the outside in the trailer parks. You know, his
mom was, you know, dating alcoholics. You know, this guy's got
no class. Gore was the Gore was the signing star when Clinton came along,
and it's kind of like, you know, pull to Hillary, uh,
like Obama did to to Hillary. Right, it was the same thing.
Gore was ready to step in and then all this gues slick Willie comes
up from Arkansas. Now he's the you know, the great white hope,
and boom, he swept everybody away. And then it was almost like a
concession. I mean, it reminds me of Lyndon Johnson thinking, you know
what, I'm going to be the next guy to run for president. And
Kennedy comes in, right, and what do they do? They go,
well, how about we make you vice president? So Gore takes it thinking,
you know what if we do good things and we show a partnership.
And this is what it looked like publicly. Now I'm not saying this is
the way it really worked, but this was the impression of the politic of
the time is that would wait around. It's a shame too, because Gore
really sucked at campaign. I think if he had campaigned better, he could
have given Bush a better run for his money. But if he was smart
enough to ask for a recount in other counties than he did, he might
have won the thing. Well there's that, But you know, you know
what the real tragedy of it is is that the guy and I remember,
this is where I first developed the phrase that I have carried with me the
rest of my life. Nobody likes it when I say it, and I
don't care. I still use it. The guy has a personality of a
dead fish. He is wooden. He's like, I'm Al Gore and I'm
here to talk to you. I mean, dude, how stilted and fake?
And do you have to be? I mean, he is so insincere
that quite honestly, if you compare, the media didn't help him either,
No they didn't. But you know when they came up with the old line,
yeah, he helped invent the internet. You know, like that,
he just got blown so blown out of the proportion. I'll tell you that
the year he ran probably produced the best political ad I have ever seen,
and it was a Snickers commercial when the guy goes into the voting booth and
he's got the elephant on one shoulder and the donkey on the other shoulder,
and you know, if they're making cracks about you know, Bush, I
look like my father, blah blah blahlah. You know, I wear the
same pants as my father, and the donkey goes. I invented fans.
It was the best commercial ever. I've got to get credit for that well.
And that was hysterical because again here's another little factor of you know,
grandpa's time period. Okay, Grandpa's time capsule here on the ocel. Let's
get to it. The Information super Highway. This was the thing being discussed,
right, and al Gore was part of encouraging that, like we're gonna
have connectivity all over it. And again pre Internet age, because remember the
majority of people did not get a lot of access to what we today think
of as the Internet until what the mid nineties, So not until slick Willy
is in office for some years and we get you know, the miraculous Drudge
Report and things, which, by the way, still practically up to last
year I think pretty much looks like the same website he built in ninety six,
but or ninety five or ninety four or whatever, whenever he built it,
it is. He's got the same he's got the same design on the
page. He just he caters more to a left linking story. Hour let's
put it. Wait, don't is a really mad at Drudge now? You
know, he came out pretty much on the conservative side of stuff when Clinton
was going through all his craft. Because he's in it. Drudge the one
that broke the uh, he broke the Lewinsky story pretty much. But wait
a second, you're telling me that people actually think Drudge is on the left.
Now, Oh, he's sticked off a lot of right wing pundits.
You know. Look, just like in various other instances, if you don't
absolutely support the guy that we say you should, then you're obviously against us
and you're supporting you know, like whenever I say something negative. But there's
a lot well, there's a lot of people calling him out. He Drudge
has made you know, he makes very few comments that end up in the
press, but what he does, and it was a couple of years back
he made it. I think some comments about Republicans in the way that they
were not able to follow through on craft in the Congress and the Senate more
than anything. I mean, I don't think he's really did a big proponent
when it comes to the president. I don't think he's supporting the left though.
What he did probably is you know, actually criticis is he Yeah?
But see, this is the problem. It's just like the stupidity that I
get as soon as I say something negative about Trump, right, what do
I get? I get people going, well, Bill, you know Biden,
Biden, what you support Biden? And I'm like, no, he's
an idiot too. I'm just pointing something out about Trump because he's making the
most noise. You know. It's not that I support the other guy.
But that's probably what happened to him, is he probably criticized the Republicans.
And that's the funny thing, you know, Rush Limbaugh. Even back in
this very same time period, Rush Limbaugh, I was a daily listener to
Rush Limbaugh. I listened to him every single day. He used to do
the Homeless Update with Oh God that the song on there from the guy who
used to do I'll put a spin on you because you man that the wild
guy with the bone through his nose. Remember you know what I'm talking about,
the street screaming Bill Hawkins, screaming Jay, screaming Jay Hawkins. Right.
Well, he did another song called and it just I remember the chorus,
I ain't got a home and no where to go, but I ain't
got a home, right all right? Limball used to play that at the
beginning of his Homeless update, and then he would play buzz saws and chainsaws
and stuff and tell you, now, we're going to go to the spotted
owl update over there in the Midwest, and we're going to talk about how
they're protecting the spotted owl instead of the logging industry. And that's what Limball
was doing on a daily basis. Oh my favorite one was this song.
It was Elvis singing in the Ghetto to it was in the Ugo. Oh
well, he did all kinds of stuff like this. But my point is
that back then, okay, forget about the you know, the showmanship that
was going on, and when he was giving away his radio show and building
that empire where I mean I do I do remember when he broke two hundred
radio stations. He was so happy and he was practically giving the show away
BP. Right, he was showing up in a market and telling people,
look, you take this show, you play it live, simulcast me,
and we'll split the revenue, and I guarantee you're gonna do just fine.
And he was a big proponent of Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. And he hadn't even
done the Rush Limbaugh ties or gotten his TV show yet or none of that
yet. Okay, back then, guess what he was criticizing. Not Bill
Clinton, not until Bill Clinton got in office. Okay, because this is
before Bill Clinton is in office. He was all over hw Bush. You
know why, because he wasn't conservative enough. He was doing the right thing
for conservative Americans who care about America. George hw Bush to Rush Limbaugh,
if you listen to those shows back then, was practically a left because he
wasn't coming and doing the right thing for real Americans, real conservatives, et
cetera, et cetera. Okay, the day that Clinton was declared the winner,
all right, that day, when Limbaugh goes live the following day,
right, that's when he starts on the Democrats, really, and he was
relentless from that point on, all of a sudden, all the criticisms of
the bushes out the window. All of a sudden, the criticisms of you
know, Ronald Reagan did good, but he didn't go far enough. All
of the criticisms of you know, Nixon, they unfairly went after him.
All of that was gone, and he does something else. I'll never remember
hearing Russia. I'm might have to go search an archives, the archives him
ever being critical of Iran contra. Know, just he used to promote every
now and then he would promote. You know, you had g. Gordon
Lyddy had his program back then, and then yes, you had, oh
what's this Oliver North come out and start with his program not long after that.
Well, see, I don't remember North having a program, but yeah,
he used to speak highly of North. Well, yeah, and you
know exactly what was his position North, if I remember correctly with Limbaugh,
North was a patriot who probably you know, took the flak for people to
protect them, and he was protecting people. That was Oliver North as far
as Rush Limbaugh was concerned. When it came down to it, though,
G. Gordon Lyddy had a radio show that he did out of Washington,
d C. And I know that because I went to the d C station
and met him, and he was an interesting guy. Make make no mistake,
he was a real interesting guy. G Gordon Liddy In case people don't
know, I mean he was a Watergate burglar, et cetera. And oh,
by the way, I see that we have Jimmy James on line.
I want to take a quick break and we're gonna bring Jimmy James on and
anybody else who calls in after but Jimmy's first. Okay, three one nine,
five two seven, five zero one six three one nine five two seven
five zero one six. We got like an hour and twelve or thirteen left
of this show unless I get some more caller participation or a donation at ochelly
dot com. Uh, I'm gonna cut the show off like maybe ten after
ten because Aaron Franz will not be live tonight. He has a soccer game
or a soccer tournament for his kids or whatever, so he's taking a break
this week and that means no Uncle, no Aaron, and we could potentially
go four hours or whatever. If you guys encourage it. Show me that
you care, show me that you want to participate, show me that you
want to also, you know, make it so I can afford a pound
of hamburger, like I was talking about recently on I went on that Saturday
night Anarchy show by the way b Pete, just real quick, and then
there was internet troubles, so I dropped out. But I went on there,
and you know, didn't expect to talk about it, but I was
talking about the price of groceries and how it is nobody can afford to eat
and the price of hamburger meat was a big discussion on that show, real
quick, and I had a good time for like I don't know, half
hour or whatever, maybe forty five minutes over there, but it was a
it was a good time. And they do that with the new prisoners over
there live on Rumble. They do it via video. Our our friend Vance
broadcasts over there and usually forgets that we're doing the Friday night show now.
But yeah, this is the thing. There's a lot going on, and
I'd love to hear from you guys out there tonight. Three one nine five
two seven five zero one six. That is the number to call or reach
out to me, Charles dot Ocelly on Skype, And if you ask me
to I will call you into the show. Also, there's been some interesting
stuff in Jfkland this week. Uh, there are developments on the Lancer Conference,
which I am going to be attending and being the EMC again this year
in Dallas, Texas literally being held on the twenty second. It'll start on
the twenty second of November in twenty twenty four this year. But we'll find
out a bunch of things in the coming weeks. I'm trying to add some
new people and if you have suggestions for the Lancer Conference or you want to
make sure that we hook up somehow. By the way, I'm going to
have access to travel discounts, discounts on the hotel rooms, all that stuff.
So do let me know if you want to go to Dallas and hang
with us, because there might be a group of us there. Aaron has
even threatened to maybe go. So that would be great if we got like
Aaron and Uncle at the Lancer Conference. Imagine that one be Pete, what
do you think of that, Well, i'd be great. Have you heard
Mike playing on a ten and again, yes, Mike is going now and
he's going to be a presenter, and just there's rumor that I might be
absolutely in charge of the breakout room where they're going to play stuff as happens,
and we're going to go down for the moment of silence. And I've
even got somebody maybe working on a collective transportation thing for that day, because
again it's gonna start literally, this is gonna be weird where the twenty second
falls on a Friday, just like it did in nineteen sixty three. So
it's going to be an interesting November in Dallas, and I'm going to be
there and hopefully I'll see some of you on that trip. It'll be great.
But anyway, in the meantime, we got a lot of time until
we get to November and the selection, which I'm going to be exhausted from.
I'm sure we could talk about the Trump trial, the Trump hush money
trial, which wasn't about hush money. But anyway, that's what CNN wanted
to tell you for the three four weeks that they had, you know,
wall to wall coverage or gabble to gabble or whatever the hell it is they
want to call it, call us and tell us what's important to you.
Do you want to talk about that, you want to talk about other stuff
you want to talk about. What it is I'm telling you is gonna happen
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the podcast yet, but it'll be out by tonight sometime probably on the overnight.
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Skype message, Nope, they don't want to join. They were just giving
a heads up on something something that I'm not getting paid for and I'm being
delayed, being paid for something anyway, whatever is what it is. Uh,
let's get back to business. What's on your mind? Three one nine
five two seven five zero one six you can join us and b Pete.
Are we ready to open the lineup for Jimmy James. I got a feeling
I know what he's wants to talk about. But anything you want to throw
there before we bring him on. He's been waiting a little while. No,
let's go ahead and bring him all. We haven't heard from Jimmy since
last week. I'm curious as to what his topic will be. True true,
Let's see Jimmy, what's on your mind this evening? There? I
don't know what do you think I should talk about? I think, Jimmy
that whatever I think, Jimmy, if you're asking me, I say,
you should talk about whatever you believe is important. I think you should talk
about whatever it is is at the front of your mind that you want to
share with other people. Whatever it is, That's what I think, Jimmy.
And so well, there's no point of discussing the Trump trial because that's
all for pretend and he's never going to go to jail. You said,
correct, So I shouldn't have to worry about it. That's absolutely certain.
I mean, look, I promise you that all of this nonsense where they're
going, they can make them serve up to four years in prison. Can
you imagine them giving him thirty four counts and four years in prison for each
count, and then he has to serve them consecutively. Can you believe that
they would put Trump in prison for no matter what? One hundred and you
do really well if you consider that they just pulled off. And I have
to admit, this is probably the most convoluted case I have ever heard of
over sixty years. It's nonsense. Yeah, it's not love b Pete.
I've decided to embrace the Cassiary of New York City. I think these judges
are legal scholars. Really, you know, I'm brilliant. I'm going to
take their lead. Go ahead, But well, I'm just curious when they
go to file the appeal, how many different points? You know, when
you file an appeal you have to be pretty precise on either the procedure or
the rule or the law that was broken. So on this one, you
could stand back with a handful of darts and throw them at the indictment and
the transcript of the trial and probably come up to say you had twenty darts
in your hand and just throw paste it page by page on the wall,
indictment and the transcript, and I guarantee you you have out of twenty darts,
you'd find twenty things that you could appeal this on. This is really
the most screwed up case I have ever seen on my life. It all
begs on a premise of this act was illegal, but the statue limitations ran
out. But wait a minute, if we connect it to a different crime,
then we can pull back the statute of limitations and go for a felony,
even though the predicate crime that, by the way, we're not going
to mention and even discuss until closing arguments, and then not even be specific
on what the crime is. We're going to rely on testimony where the prosecutor
alleges that somebody has already committed a crime even though there's no evidence or conviction
anywhere in the world of that fact, and we're going to find him guilty.
But you don't have to be unanimous in your decision, and all of
you jurors can come up with a different crime that he committed as the predicate
crime for these little misdemeanors. So here you go, have at it.
Yeah, well, hang on, BPTE, because here's the thing. If
you and I go and sit in a highly populated area and watch courtroom procedures,
I assure you that we will find that people are being charged under criminal
codes that don't exist, under convoluted connections, under all sorts of things where
they stay in that. And yes we could. We could find anomalies in
any courthouse that we want to sit. But all we got to do is
pick a day. This one case has got to be the most convoluted case
I have ever seen in existence. But I've seen people get charged under codes
that prosecutors ring out, judge stipulate two, the defense attorney stipulates two,
and everything else. And then you know what you do? You go and
you look and you find that it's under an expired criminal code or a one
that doesn't exist. That's not what this criminal code says. This guy read
out a criminal code for pie paper. I've seen this done one week.
I mean, that's very rare. Code constantly gets sad. It's the never
detracted, that's why it's code. It's coded no. But they get changed
by something else comes in and makes an addendum to an existing one, and
they don't give the updated version of it. That happens all the time.
Okay, Like you know, people love to point out those laws that are
on the books here. They're like, you know, you're not allowed to
beat your wife unless your strap is less than you know, an inch wide,
and all this kind of stuff. They don't point out that there were
addendums to those laws, those codes, those criminal whatever, and they don't
point out that at some point that got nullified and why did it get nullified
because of this particular thing that came in, right, And they do that
all the time, which it sweeps through and makes a lot of things that,
yes, they're still on the books, but they've been rendered useless and
people get charged under the things, and if they don't have a good enough
paralegal, guess what happens. They don't discover it, and they literally go
and do time or pay fines based on crap all the time. Okay,
now let's just put that aside. Just okay, Chuck's just a lunatic.
Fine, here's the fun part, do you I mean you really I'll do
the dirty dollar bets because that was suggested in the chat room earlier in the
week. Let's do some dirty dollar bets. And somebody thought I had a
bet with Jimmy James. I didn't that. We don't have a bet currently.
But I'll take dollar action on this, no problem, Okay, you
know, as I guarantee, I'm gonna make money on this. So wherever
you want to go, I will take action on outcomes and different things.
We gotta structure it. Be very specific about what it is you think is
going to happen here. Be pete, but I promise you this, there
will be no jail time for Trump. You want to bet a dollar on
it or do you want to tell me that there's going to be jail time?
And I mean, it's got to survive appeals, it's got to survive
alterations to the judgment and all that stuff which you're gonna happen here because you
know there's going to be appeals. And you want to talk about throwing darts.
You ever see those dark games at a you know, carnival. He
could be sentenced to jail time before the appeals ever kick in. I mean
he could be in jail come election day, right, but he won't.
But that's the thing is, if he's on appeal, they're not going to
put him in jail. On appeal, he's going to h alleged. That's
when he will be sentenced to jail. That's when it's scheduled. That's when
it's scheduled. How about this, How about this, He won't be sentenced
on July eleventh, even though it's scheduled for it. I'll make a dollar
bet with either one on that he will not be sentenced July eleventh for this
case. You want to start there, he will be. He'll be sent
to jail. I'm willing to make that bad Okay, no problem, one
dollar, Jimmy James. He actually has to go and be sent to jail
to serve time, right, not not he's in temporary holding for something or
being processed, but he actually has to go at least day, at least
one day, he has to see four hours he has to sit well,
let's say forty eight because they could take twenty four hours to process him in
a stupid joint Okay, as dumb as that is, and because they got
to content with secret service and all this other nonsense. The thing is,
give me forty eight hours. If he sits in a cell in prison for
forty eight hours, I lose. How's that? No, I don't know
because after twenty four hours, by then someone will have gone to the Supreme
Court and said this is crazy, asked shit, well, I don't know
that he will do forty eight hours, but he mind. Well that's that's
what I'm willing to bet on, because I think he could sit being processed
and nonsense going on for twenty four hours. That's the eleventh. On the
eleventh, let's take a look at what day July eleventh is. But either
way, I promise you he will not be sentenced on July eleventh. It
is a Thursday, a Thursday. Yes, there's a good chance he you'll
do forty eight hours. So you think sentence late on a Thursday, then
that means they're going to run him over to Rikers. They're gonna have to
make arrangements. They might delay half a day just in transport, trying to
get secret service and all that to get him to Rikers. Get him there.
He may not sit in a sale. He'll sit secluded. But you
know say that they're like most courts. You gotta wait till Monday to see
a judge. Well, chance he could pull a weekend. But okay,
I agree with Jimmy. I think I think he's going to be sentenced to
jail time now, whether he actually goes or he's allowed to. You know
what would be more humiliating than putting an ankle honitor on him, making him
stay at Trump Towers? You know it's the possibility, is there that?
Yes? He I think this judge, because of the notoriety he's gotten off
of this, has got just a big enough ego that he's going to be
the one to sentence him to time. No, We're going to get every
piece of dirt on this judge possible. And I'm telling you right now,
I've already been out there. You can't. You can't. Oh No,
there's more qualifi any more than's already been done. There's more connections to the
money his daughter's making off this case and raising money for the Democrats. You
know, he's the judge is conflicted from get go, so you can't get
it more conflicted. I think this judge has got a big enough ego he's
going to be the one known as given Trump. I have an unfair advantage
over you. I know that they are locked and loaded with more dirt on
this judge that has not been seen in public yet. So I I happen
to know difference the judge. Okay, I'm just telling you, but look,
forget it. Forget it. Thank you. Do you think they can
take this judge down by July eleven? I have two bets that I'm willing
to make here, okay already, and I want you guys to take the
challenge. I mean forty eight hours, not in a holding cell, but
actually doing time. Okay. Now, if he's if he's under the control
of the North of New York Correctional Facility, that's he's full. He's full
of Dome European specific. He's got to be in a cell. Yeah,
he has to go to a lot. He goes into custody. He's in
freaking jail. It counts. But no, because that's not the same as
custody you or I would be in. I'm talking about he actually goes to
a cell to serve time. There is a difference between that and being held.
There is a difference. And that's all I'm saying. Forty eight hours.
If you're so convinced that they want to give him jail time. Two
days, I mean two days nothing. Oh, he's gonna get jail time.
Now it's a matter whether he goes through the door or not off.
But yeah, I guarantee you this judge is gonna give him. I guarantee
you probably give him jail time. Okay. So I am willing to make
two different bets here. One that he will not be sentenced on the eleventh.
There will not be sentencing on the eleventh. It will either be delayed,
moved, nullified, something will happen before the eleventh to make it so
he's not sentenced. One. Two, he does not do forty eight hours
serving time, not being held temporarily or being processed or hanging out in the
courtroom holding cell or none of that crap. I mean actually going to a
facility where we start ticking off your time that you're serving two days forty eight
hours. He won't do it. So there's my two declared bets. Okay.
Two about he might send some due he might sentence him to thirty days,
but he's gonna for sure sentence trump his sentence. Peter Navarro, who's
eighty year old lawyer, presumed for ninety days for not showing up to Nancy
Close his kangaroo court. Okay, well, Peter are si. Peter Navarro
doesn't have the same protection Trump does. So you're telling me you're willing to
take that that did. Actually he did. Actually he did because he had
executive privileged because he was Trump's lawyer, and that's what he claimed. And
yet they wanted him to break his that privilege and he wouldn't do it.
That's lovely. You know, the guy that Trump put in as the ambassador
in Israel was actually, you know, a serial killer, Robert Durst lawyer.
You know that anyway, whatever, I don't care. Forty eight hours
you're claiming to me that he'll do it. What what is this deal?
Did you know that lawyers are bad depending on who they represent. No,
no, no, Well take a look at the guy's actions and him working
for Robert Durst and tell me, tell me that this guy is a great
guy. Anyway. It's just one of the connections between Trump and Durst that
ought to be out there, but it's not getting out there. So look,
tell me something. Forty eight hours. Sorry, man, I'm getting
way off line because I didn't even want to. Honestly, Trump, I
just say that those judges I love their wild justice system. I liked it.
I'm gonna make my own summary judgment. It's crazy. You should get
in on it. I say, go, get you a shingle and see
if you can get a justice of the peace. By the way, it
is possible to get it in upstate New York and apply for it up there.
Do it, Jimmy, go ahead, But in the meantime, forty
eight hours you're willing to take that bet against me or what by the end
of the year. By the end of the year, Trump will do forty
eight hours off of this case you're telling me, Yeah, I would say,
before the end of July, he will be in good joint. Fine,
I'll take that bet exactly that way. Forty eight hours he serves,
forty eight hours by the end of July. One dollar you accept yep.
First, all right, Jimmy, Jimmy and I are down for a dollar
on forty eight hours before the end of July. So be pete you you
want to take me up on either one of those bets that either he doesn't
get to because I don't like the limitations you put on them. You don't
like the limitations, Okay, well, yeah, I'll pocket I'll pocket my
money on this one. I'll sit back and I'll hold the buck, Okay
with you and Jimmy. But no problem. Yeah, I'm not. No.
I think he's gonna get whether he serves or not, I don't know,
but I think he's gonna get sentenced for time. Whether he can be
out on bail while his appeal happens, I don't know this judge. I
would think. See, he pushed the judge to the point of having to
put him in jail for contemned okay, and then he backed off for some
reason and let me out of the judge, we'll throw you in the clink
for contempt. Yeah, but he didn't, didn't put him in So okay,
how about this then, forget about the forty eight hours. You don't
like that limitation. How about I say he does not get sentence on July.
Lation is sitting in a cell. He could be under control Department of
Corrections for forty eight hours. To me, that counts. You ain't got
the ability to go where you want. You ain't free, okay, But
to me, being in prison and being in custody are slightly different things.
And you know, technically speaking, he was not allowed to leave the court
during the proceedings. You know, well, considering that he's in custody because
he was convicted of a crime, Yeah, you're pretty much in jail.
All right, Well, then we'll skip that one. I have another question
July eleventh. He absolutely gets sentenced on the eleventh. I don't see the
reason that would postponent. I really don't. I mean, because I don't
think this judge appeals it. He's not. I don't think he's going to
back off just waiting for the appeal. He's going to go through. This
judge is going to be retiring before too long. And this is his claim
to fame. This is his swan song. He's going to ride it just
as high as he can. He's going to be the guy known and said
Trump to jail unless he's roved, unless he is removed from the bench sometime
before the end of the year. From the bench. You can't remove a
judge in what six weeks. Nah, ain't gonna happen. Okay, fair
enough, But but here's the thing. If a huge enough scandal comes out,
I mean, you could see a guy resigning, retiring even but anyway,
leave that alone. He gets sentenced on the eleventh. I mean,
that's an easy no matter what comes out, he's gonna have the media playing
dodgeball for him for at least a month maybe, but they could give him
a month, so there's no way they get him off the bench. I
don't think you're gonna see him going in six I'll make a bet on that.
Whether the judge is still on the bench in six weeks, I don't.
I don't have a time frame on exactly when he's gonna get this Detroyd,
but he's gonna get destroyed. So the thing is, I don't have
a reasonable time frame on it. However, I'm pretty certain that if we
get to the end of the year and Trump is re selected, this guy
does not have a good future. But anyways, oh no, he doesn't.
I'll go ahead and tell you now, it's time the Republicans or people
on the conservative side of things start pulling some of the same crap these Democrats
have been pulling. If I were Trump when I got in there, I
would clean house at the DJ Okay, all right, here's almost put in
these positions. Oh I'm sure that that will do whatever you gotta do and
go after every effort that you pulled this ship for the past eight years,
You're gonna you're gonna get You're gonna get that. That show. I'm sure
of it. So tell me something is is he sentenced on the eleventh or
not? You're not willing to take me up on that. Yeah, I'll
give you a dollar. Okay, you will don't see anything? Are you
getting this judge out of the way by that delayed like one day because he's
got cold or something. I mean, that don't count. Look if if
they are bound and determined as you guys think they are, to make an
example and to do this, and this guy you think he's gonna let it
slide for a day, even, why would he do that? I say,
any delay at all, maybe maybe that judge's PMS will be rageing that
day. I don't know whether this problem, Well, I guess in the
moment could happen. I got you. But in the modern world, I
guess I get Well, you know, the guy could just wear a diaper.
I mean, if he really wants to get it done, he could
just go in there with a diaper or a MAXI pad, you know,
cotton shoved up his butt like he's about to get electrocuted. It's fine.
Uh so you know if you want to take it or not. That is
the limitation, very simple, whether it's delayed by a day or a week,
or a month or a year. I say he does not get sentenced
on the eleventh. I'll take up on that. Okay. So I got
VP for the sentence on the eleventh, all right, and I'm writing this
down what depends, so I just, you know, make sure I don't
forget. We can always go back to the tape. Absolutely absolutely, So,
Jimmy, do you want to take me up on that that he's absolutely
sentenced on the eleventh or no, because you're afraid he might get a cold
and it'll be delayed by a day or whatever, you don't want to do
it. I don't see what's so special about the eleventh. I'll say the
eleventh, give or take a couple m now, because I don't know what
could get arranged if they delay it. But I just I have this certainty
that they will delay it and do something different. But that's as far as
I can go. I mean, it's difficult to know all of the ins
and outs of the games that are about to get played here, because you
know, some things are variables. Bpee took it up, so okay,
I'll think. So I got some inside information, I figured absolutely, okay,
So there it is, all right. So this is how far I've
gone. Anybody else wants to get in on the dollar bets, no problem.
And those are the two that I've been able to lay out so far.
And I've done it based on the stuff that these guys have said that
you know, they're absolutely going to send some by this date. This guy's
going to do time. And I say, no, let's watch and learn.
If I'm wrong. I'm wrong, I'll go with it, and I'll
see what happens. I mean, it'll probably be even more interesting and exciting
and worth my three dollars I could lose here so far, so it'll be
worth the entertainment value. It'll be definitely worth the entertainment value if it does
not go the way that I see it going. But otherwise I'm going to
be yawning and sitting there going, gee, I wonder how it is yet
again, because Trump has never had a criminal record of any kind for no
matter whatever, she's done. He's never been held accountable for any sort of
accounting chicanery, which he's been called out for accounting chicanery many times before,
but never prosecuted for it. Whether it was he was claiming bankruptcy and the
inability to pay people, or he decided not to pay on contracts had them
take him to court and pay pennies on the dollar, it doesn't matter.
He's never been taking a task for any of it. It's just business as
usual. A question though, that has come up. You know, we
had the we had the civil trial on his business ventures that was pretty much
stacked against him, and then we had the other civil trial of was it
E. J. Carroll or whatever her name is, sued him for sexual
assault. It was funny he was found guilty of a sexual assault in a
civil court but doesn't have to register as a sex offender. That's interesting because
it's not civil. Had this case which was so blatantly rigged before it even
started that you know, you got to wonder. Now we've heard so much
about white privilege, and you know, white elite people usually are the ones
that benefit from white privilege, and I don't see where Trump has had any
white privilege shown to him in this state of New York when it comes to
legal matters. So I'm wondering, is now Orange people going to be a
protected race? I don't know. That's that's a good question. Maybe there
should be the new Orange is the new white? You know kind of thing.
I don't know. Then, well, look, Eene Carroll, the
reason why he doesn't have to register as a sex offender is because, get
this, regardless of what the media tells you, he's not convicted of a
crime. Why that's a criminal. But I can't believe through a civil proceeding
you wouldn't have to no, because it's civil damages. It's not Look look,
listen, wait a minute. The rules of New York law have been
so convoluted in three cases coming out of New York that you can't say that
they couldn't convolute something else but you and make him register. I mean,
that's what's so screwy about this. The three cases in New York that have
been thrown at Trump had stood the Jewish prudence system on its head. But
you'd have to reinvent the English language. Look OJ, right, remember OJ?
You remember OJ? Doesn't everybody remember OJ? You know he died not
long ago, rest in whatever the hell, OJ, I'm not sure how
to feel about you. But here's the deal. He was what acquitted on
murder and then found lible in the wrongful death of his ex wife and Ron
Goldman. Right, so there's no registering. He's not a felon based on
that, not until later when they got him caught up in that other thing.
He's not a felon. He doesn't have to be known. He's not
a murderer technically because he was found in a civil case liable for wrongful deaths.
No, you're comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing you know, going
through the court system and what Las Vegas and La I'm just saying New York
has convoluted the rules so much that it's not going to surprise me that the
next person they go after they might have them have to register or something,
even though they didn't commit a crime. Both of those Trump didn't commit a
crime, But he's been feeling he's been what found guilty three times both of
the case both of the cases that I'm talking about where there was a result
before he gets caught up in that thing later the wrongful death and the murder
case are both California cases. Okay, And if I want to tell me
point, my point is simply that New York is so screwed up that don't
be surprised if they start requiring you to register as a sex defender after a
civil suit goes against you. You're telling me it's that screwed up New York.
I got a question that surprised me. I got a question. Then
you're telling me that, literally, the New York legal system is more screwed
up than the calib foreign legal system. Yeah, oh, this is a
surprise to me. But my point does stand in that naturally, if you're
held liable in a civil proceeding, it is not the same as being criminally
held accountable. It's a difference. So you know, I'm just saying,
maybe maybe this is a case where they couldn't convolute it enough, they couldn't
cross that boundary. It's literally it's a different judge, it's a different type
of procedure in any jurisdiction. These things are not remotely close. I mean,
if you think about the standard of evidence in the King trial Martin Luther
King Junior, the civil action that took place where they had all these people
held accountable and the wrongful death of Martin Luther King Jr. And James Arrolray
is the convict, and he was working on having his case set aside.
But that was a criminal situation. When they get their symbolic settlement in Memphis,
right, that's a civil procedure. Nobody else has to go to prison,
even though they had a whole slew of people that were supposedly liable for
the wrongful death and the violation of the civil rights of doctor Martin Luther King
Junior in his assassination. So I'm just saying the way it normally stands is
a civil procedure not the same as a criminal one. This time, this
is a criminal procedure convoluted as it is. That's a difference. So you
know, they don't put you in jail over a civil thing unless you violate
a court order, and that's a separate situation. You're being held in contempt
of a court order things like this, But generally speaking, penalties, they
can't apply prison time and things like this to you in a civil case.
So therefore they can't do things that restrict your freedom, like make you register
as a sex offender, on and on. So that's why Trump is not
registered as anything because he was found guilty in a civil proceeding anyway. And
actually and actually the trial was for rape, and the jury acquitted him,
and the jury and the judge wrote a summary judgment claiming the judge bought them
guilty on his own of so called sexual assault other than rape, right,
and so in a criminal and in a criminal proceeding, it is very difficult
for a judge to set aside a jury's verdict. In a civil proceeding,
a judge can easily set aside a jury's verdict. A judge to do it
in a criminal case too, they can they No, it's not just as
easy. That's a little different, is no. Just If a judge decides
to set aside a verdict, he can do it for any reason that he
deems all representative of setting it aside. It's his discretion. It's not as
no, no, no, depends on the jurisdiction. No, a judge.
See, that's the thing about judges. They do have that ability to
set aside a verdict in any case. It's no harder. All he has
to do is state why he's setting it aside and make an order. It's
that simple. But what I'm saying is our jurisprudence system has already been set
on edge now that we have political prosecutions that blatantly are political prosecutions. We've
just stepped over the line into a third world country. And if you think
it's bad now, it's only going to get worse now that people see what
they can get away with in our courts of law. Because it doesn't matter
that it's just three years down the road it might finally make it to appeal.
It's what's going on now. People have been bankrupted over this January sixth
crap and all the Russian influenced crap where people were hauled in before the FBI
and they said something that they could turn into line to the FBI, and
then they make our life a live in hell and ruin them financially for the
rest of their life based off nothing. It's gotten to the point now that
we are in a third world judicial system. So you can make all the
comparisons between New York and California and the federal level all you want. You're
seeing something that's been alluded to a point right now that if you think it's
bad, now, just wait. The fascists are in power and they are
using whatever means necessary to get what they want. Now it has moved into
the judicial end of things, and that's where we're screwed. We have three
proms of government in this country. Two of them were heavily corrupted. This
one is the third. And now you're starting to see the corruption that's in
the judicial system. We've seen it for years. It really really started coming
to light once you saw the Russian craft with Trump and we went through six
years of bullshit and people being prosecuted for lyon to the FBI or getting caught
in an contradiction and it turns into charges of lying to the FBI. And
now you're financially ruined trying to defend yourself from these assholes in power. And
you just wait. You think it's bad, now, it's going to get
worse when you corrupt that third rail. Worse. Screwed, all right,
So, according to various According to various sources, I want to tell you
how wrong you are about this. Setting aside a jury verdict in all cases.
You can do this in various civil judgments. True, However, if
you do that and you set aside a not guilty verdict in a criminal case.
If you attempt to do that, it is an automatic violation of the
defendent's fit Amendment rights. That is in the majority of jurisdictions in the United
States, the majority. Okay, So you can set aside a guilty verdict.
As a judge, it is easier to do that. There is a
differential between the two things. You can set it aside because there is a
problem basically declaring a mistrial and you can produce a summary verdict, but it
doesn't stand that easily. They drop on appeal very easily, unless you have
an extremely good reason to say that the process was went wrong, it was
corrupted, the jury was bought off, something like this. That is the
only way that that works. But when you try and set aside a not
guilty verdict, you got a problem. It doesn't stand in almost every jurisdiction
in the country set aside a not guilty verdict. That's right. If you
try to set aside a not guilty verdict, like let's just say political prosecution
judge, I've never heard of anybody ever setting aside a not guilty verdict.
That's because they can't go ahead and take a look at That's what I'm trying
to tell you. In a criminal case, there's a difference a verdict of
No, wait, we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about it's
easy for a judge to set aside a prosecution, a conviction in a court
case. I'm not even talking about not guilty verdicts. That wouldn't even have
It's not even I wouldn't. That didn't even enter my lexicon. I don't.
We're talking about two different things. I'm trying to just explain that there
is a difference in the rule between criminal jury verdicts and sibyl. That's all
I'm trying to explain to you is that there's a difference there in what can
and cannot be set aside by a judge. It is not the same simple
process in a civil case. Though, you can pretty much declare that a
whole bunch of things went wrong and this this is just was not done correctly
and the jury misunderstood because et cetera, et cetera, and as an officer
of the court, the judge has the right to set aside all kinds of
stuff in civil cases criminal cases. Sorry, your constitution is supposed to have
supremacy over that. Yeah either no no, no, no, no no.
This judge had the ability when the when the jury case back and say
guilty on all thirty four counts. He could have very easily said, I'm
setting that verdict aside. It's a simple process. It's not as easy as
it is in a civil case, is my only point. Yes, it
is in criminal cases, and I'm reading directly from US legal dot com.
In criminal cases, judges may disregard a jury's guilty verdict and acquit or grant
a new trial if they believe the evidence was insufficient to support the decision made
by the jurors. Judges may also set aside a verdict if they believe the
verdict was reached on a basis that violates the US or respective state constitution,
or if the legal theory on which the jury based their decision does not conform
to law. And that is specifically what we have here. Because the judge
told the jurors that it didn't matter that they weren't unanimous on whatever proposed crime
Trump committed, but these lesser felonies were now brought up to may felonies because
of its direct connection to that crime that they could basically decide in their own
minds he was guilty of. This is the judge could have set this aside
very simply. All he does is make the order judgment notwithstanding a verdict or
judgment that sets aside a verdict based on the fact that there was a problem
in the evidence or procedure. Yeah, it's I'm telling you there's a difference
between civil and criminal. That's the only thing I'm trying to explain to you.
No, the difference between civil and criminal is is that a civil trial,
a judge can set aside a verdict regard and how much money should be
awarded by the jury to the planet and those damages. The amount is totally
distinct from compensatory damages. That's where they get into the degree of what they
can and can't dismiss or that they can bring down based on a cap But
it's as simple for any judge to set aside any verdict of a jury by
simply making the order to set the decision aside, plain and simple plan and
simy why that's that's in the plain and simple Listeners to this show go ahead
and check out what it is. I'm saying here that there is a difference
between these two things, because find out for yourselves, and I'll leave it
at that. Jimmy, I'm gonna put you on hold. I don't want
to sit and keep arguing about it. But let's see who else is on
the line. We got a new caller, and maybe he's got something else
in mind. He wants to discuss, or he wants to continue on anyway,
who do I got? No, I'm gonna hey, I'll put a
different fit out there. I gotta I'll bet a dirty dollar to a shiny
five dollar because the GPS brought up Canadian beer. My voote would be Mexican
beer is far better than Canadian beer. How the hell are we supposed to
make that bet work? Let me see here, a dollar to a five
first the ball and second Canadian versus Mexican beer. What are you telling me?
Dose Ekies beats out Moulse and what what do we say? Oh?
Yeah, oh yeah, okay, I have no idea how to run this
bet. Beat Pete. You want to help me out and tell him now,
there's no way that a dose Akies is better than a Moulten gold.
And I don't care who you are there. You don't compare beer and ale,
so well what what what is corona considered? I don't even know beer?
Okay, look man, I don't even know how to place that bet.
But if somebody wants to take you up on it, I mean,
by all means, I don't even know how to how to measure that one.
It's out there. But more more seriously, you're talking about food prices.
I was on last last Saturday's Saturday Night Anarchy thing. I dropped in
on him and we started talking about food prices and how nobody can afford to
eat. But yeah, go ahead, yeah, well I I My family
is multi generational farmers on both sides, and agriculture has changed quite a bit
that I would look at something that nobody looks at or discusses, and that's
the middle man. And the middle man is run by a cartel and it's
a JBS and beat Processing, Cargill and Archers Daniels Midland. To start looking
in there, and then you're going to see where your food why your food
prices are so high? Well, when you mentioned Cargill, what you're talking
about is these grocery distribution hubs right, that come in and make these mass
deliveries to a lot of different places. Now, some corporate entities like Walmart
has their own trucks, right, you know, you'll notice that seven to
eleven has their own people. Now, I don't know if they own the
trucks or if they've hired a separate company, but they have a particular set
of individuals in an area where they do distribution. And it's all supposed to
be through the approved stuff that comes from Southland Corporation. Only you have God,
I'm trying to think of some of the other names, but there were
a bunch of them out there at one point, the big grocery distributors that
I used to have to deal with. And even if you're a convenience store,
an independent convenience store, you might be dealing with one of these.
And yes, indeed, they jack things up. That's why on that show,
by the way, we were talking about these share programs where you go
to a local person who raises a handful of cattle, and what do you
do. You buy a portion of a cow in advance, right, and
that way you and a couple other families turn around and divide up the cow.
When it's time to slaughter it, and you're supposed to get your share
of the meat based on your investment, your percentage of whatever came out of
it. Stuff like that, And I said, you know that as well
as when it comes to vegetables and other commodities that are being grown locally,
where you might actually have some insight in that how the food is being created,
what is being treated with? What are the farmer's standards. Are they
using monsanto only seeds or have they come up with you know, some of
the what do they call those things? The seeds that are still good and
haven't been screwed with yet? What do they call those? Sorry, I'm
sorry, I lost my train and fun on the name of the seeds,
the manipulation. They're not genetically modified as what I was trying to say.
Yeah, right, there's a name for that, but go ahead. Yeah.
No, The point I was making is I was talking about the farm,
of the family farm. What was the ability to farm. One of
the things is that the prices have gone up, the farmers price that they
sell to a lot of the middle miss those prices have been suppressed, and
so what happens is the small gone out, the big companies and financialization has
bought most of the major farms. And I've just seen that right that bro
and the small farmer gets based out, they can no longer compete, right.
Well, what I was saying on that program was that we can approach
people, and I did find the term I'm looking for the organic or non
GMO seeds is heirloom. They call them heirloom seeds in some cases. So
anyway, you could go to a farmer locally and find out if they're using
heirloom seeds or if they're using the regular GMO stuff, and sometimes you can
make an investment in their crops. Now, these are not big agg companies.
I'm talking about, you know, the small family farmer, which barely
exists anymore, no matter how much they use it as a you know,
as a whistle out there and tell you about we are for the small family
farmers, most of them, not even some of the deceptions are interesting out
there where some of these larger or medium style companies have turned around and turned
some of their workers into allegedly owners of plots of land right so that they
can qualify for a bunch of these programs. And meanwhile it's all actually being
collected by one guy who owns, you know, a big huge chunk of
land that he's you know, made partial owners of the people that are actually
working the land. And it's all a scam. These guys don't collect any
money. They just have their name on a piece of property, so I
guess it helps with their credit rating. But other than that, you know,
you might be able to go find out and buy yourself a portion in
advance of something that's being grown, and that way you could work with a
local farmer who's got a small farm because the big agro companies are not going
to work with you like this, and you might be able to save some
money. But here's the sad part about that. That's not saving you money
anymore either, because whatever they're using has all been jacked up. You know,
you go to the local feed supplies anywhere in this country, you're gonna
find out, guess what everything, whether it's you know, the vaccination for
your dogs to not have rabies, or it is you know, organic sprays
that they might try to purchase or feed for the animals or whatever. Yeah,
all that stuff is jacked up. Now, So where do you get
relief from a the biochemical nightmare that is coming out of the big agro companies.
And b can you get a price break anywhere anymore? Is my big
question? And guess what. Out of six guys on that show, nobody's
actually got the answer. Nobody knows. And they're from you know, all
different parts of the country. I mean from Texas, where you know,
there is some people working on getting a beef agreements, you know, with
individuals so that they can buy into the cows, like I was talking about
at the beginning. Here there are people doing that. And guess what,
because of the other you know costs that come into play here, none of
it is saving anybody any money. You might have a shot at getting healthier
food, though, and you could get it locally, which you know,
I believe in supporting a local economy as opposed to you know, supporting an
international corporation. But I think that we've reached a screene point where there is
no price break and there's almost no reliable way to escape the you know now
bear as opposed to monsanto, you know, cartel when it comes to seeds
and growing anything. Now, maybe I'm wrong, Danny, Maybe you know
something about this because you're a multi generational farm person. Maybe I'm wrong,
tell me about it. You're not wrong, You're not wrong. I mean,
if you're trying to start like a family farm, you're beholden. You
know you've got to get GM to get loans to farm bills. Right basically
catered to the large agribusiness. But one thing that fortunate work I'm here in
northern California is almost all year round. I can go to farm rooms markets
and we can get fresh fruit and vegetables. Matter of fact, we've a
my home, made a big horse for my life's made a wonderful garden.
And that effect we have an abundance will be given away so and there will
be no testicides. It'll be as organic as we can get. Well,
one I wish I lived near you, and even in Georgia. Here,
you know there are people that maybe not I don't see farmers' markets very often,
and I tried to go to one not too long ago that wasn't there,
even though it's said on the internet it was occasionally, believe it or
not, at flea markets. There are people now showing up and this is
a newer phenomena I understand now. Maybe I'm wrong about this too, but
this is apparently a newer thing that's happening in a lot of local communities where
there are people who have you know, a big garden at their home and
are bringing their extra vegetables to the flea market. Okay, now I'm not
saying, you know about the quality or anything, but in some cases these
people are selling you know, home grown for cheaper than what you might get
at the grocery store. And I don't know, maybe you got a better
shot as opposed to buying you know, Mexican tomatoes along with your you know,
South American bananas and god knows where the hell the lettuce came from.
That's probably filthy as hell, you know, in your local supermarket. You
might do better go into the flea market for some fresh produce every couple of
weeks. It's a weird phenomenon, and that's what I've been hearing about,
and I've seen it here in Georgia at Smileys, which, by the way,
BPT, if you come to visit me at Georgia again, I really
do want to make a trip to Smiley's if we ever get a chance on
a weekend and show you this place because I don't know. I love flea
markets. They are a lot of fun. And I'm telling you if you
can find some organic or affordable food there, go go do it. I
mean, because we all need a price break here. But Danny, you
got any advice for anybody as far as price breaks or how to get healthier
food or anything else aside from the obvious, which is if you have land
available and the wherewithal to do so, grow anything you can yourself. What
else you got for people outside of that? I was, I was just
I would just cojere to the ground. I mean where you were here.
We have several places within I'm within ten minutes getting fresh fruit and vegetables usually
on the weekends. The city I live in they put up the place.
Sacramento has several they have co ops with they just you know, they're like
they're just they call them, you know, natural food markets and organic farmers
or small bit family farmers. They sell the products there. And I know
we found a particular three range draink meat company. They grow their beef,
and my daughter and my wife they'll go in and buy meat and we'll put
it all in the freezer, and you know, it's pretty good stuff,
you know what. You know what I wish I would see re emerge.
And you're gonna think I'm nuts because the way I describe New Jersey all the
time. But bear with me a second. When I was first, you
know, the earliest adulthood, I mean, I got right out as soon
as I can, got my apartment. I finished high school in my own
apartment. Right. One of the great things that somebody's mom helped me discover
was that there was Now I know, everybody thinks I'm nuts when I say
this, and people are going to laugh, but you know, Jersey it
does say it's the garden state. At one time there was lots of stuff
being grown there. I know it's funny to a lot of people nowadays,
but believe it or not, there is a lot of agriculture in a certain
part of New Jersey. It's not a huge state, but there is a
tremendous swath of it, you know, comparatively speaking, that is devoted to
agriculture. So what happens is there were in let's see, in nineteen ninety,
in nineteen eighty nine and ninety there was what they called food cooperatives and
what you were able to do. Is you end up with a bunch of
groceries during half of the year. Okay, once a month, you could
go there and collect groceries for half a year. And it was interesting because
it was all stuff that was grown and then collected and brought to the cooperative
area. And what it was is that you had to pay in advance.
Okay, you paid, like you know, if I paid right now,
say I would go around July first. If I paid around June first,
and go around July first to the cooperative and collect a percentage of what was
brought together by the food cooperative. And that money was supposed to be divided
among all the people that either you know, you know, kept the animals
and then slaughtered them and brought them in, brought in portions of them,
whether it was chickens or it was you know, occasionally we got some beef,
but not too often. But there were chickens and other things that were
brought in there. And then there was also carrots and cucumbers and all kinds
of stuff that was either grown in large private gardens that had become part of
the cooperative or on small farms in New Jersey. And you would get a
collection of things. Now, the only difficulty was that you had no predictive
nature. It was sort of like you signed up for everything, and whether
it was a place that was, you know, independently making bread out of
wheat they grew, which, by the way, if you can get bread
that's made from wheat that's grown locally, to you, it is the smarter
thing to do for your health. If you're living in an area and you
take the local wheat, you're much better off eating that bread as opposed to
the bread from wherever the hell they've been storing what they're calling grain somewhere else.
But anyway, that's a side issue. But vegetables and meat, mostly
vegetables grown locally, could be collected from all these resources, all these places
and brought together if people organized it into what they called food cooperatives. Now
I've heard that term used in recent years, but I'm thinking to myself,
this is a way that small farmers and gardeners could get together. Even if
you just got people together with gardens, and by percentage, if you got
you know, say, one hundred growers together of various things, this could
be a way to do it. They get funding from the fact that people
pay the month before and they get funding throughout your growing season depending on where
you are. I mean, obviously this would change based on location, and
you could collectively bring it together. It benefits the person buying the food because
they're getting locally grown food. It encourages people to buy and to create their
gardens and their small farms or to keep their animals. It encourages them to
do that locally. I don't see how that's a lose situation at all.
If you're getting a fair amount of food for what it is you have to
invest. Now. Back then, I could put fifty dollars in and that
was, you know, I think the minimum. You got fifty dollars,
and it bought you a share of what is collected all together. In some
months it was bigger than others out way more than I would have gotten taken
that fifty dollars to food Town or shopright or shopping bag or whatever the hell
was locally available at the time. I remember it was food Town and Acme
and stuff like that in Jersey. But it doesn't matter. It's irrelevant.
You got better grown stuff, cleaner things by people that actually care about it
and take care of their plants and their animals locally. Not saying it's flawless,
but it's an idea. And you know, the only thing in Jersey
you couldn't do the milk. But in some locations you can even get raw
fresh milk straight off the farm. In Pennsylvania you were able to do that,
but it was not legal in Jersey. I used to actually have somebody
that went to Pennsylvania and would collect money from a bunch of people and come
back with a trunk full of glass bottle milk, and you had to bring
back your bottles in order to get a refill on the farm. And it
was thought of as a private transaction because technically speaking, you're not allowed to
sell your raw milk straight from the farm nless the FDA approves it and you
have it cooked and sanitized and tested and da da da da dah. But
I was getting raw milk from a Pennsylvania farm because I was part of a
milk club along with the guy who made the trip from Jersey who we all
had to, you know, throw an extra tip a couple dollars worth of
gas from everybody filling up his trunk with glass bottles. He actually made a
little money, going for a day to Pennsylvania and coming back with our milk,
not saying we had enough milk for a month, but it was another
way to attack this. And these are the kind of things that I think
could save a lot of people who are not able to keep fed. I've
been having trouble keeping my small family fed. I know almost everybody I talked
to is having the same trouble. And I want to know, do you
guys have any thoughts on that. I'll start with Danny, I'll go to
be Pete and then we'll go back to Jimmy and see if anybody else calls
in. But what are your thoughts on this? Guys? Is there a
way out that we could start to, I don't know, cooperate with one
another. I mean, you know, don't just I can't go to that
farm. He's a trunk who cares. It's about food. It's not about
politics, it's not about race, it's not about it's about food, and
you get it from a local person. I think it's a win win situation.
So what are your guys thoughts on co ops? Danny, I'll start
with you. Yeah, I think co ops, any type of local is
a good idea and everybody's got to eat, you know, so anything that
you know, I just would enjoy. In California, there's quite a bit
of a a farm to fork movement here. I mean, still the big
agg is going to be king because they've got the deeper pockets, because there's
a lot there's definitely an underground movement, not an underground but a more local,
cooperative movement to move towards that type of They seem when I've gotten they
seem to be busy and a lot of oil shops and the same farmers.
So you get it, like you said, you get a good idea of
where your food's coming from. Well, and sometimes you feel better you help
the neighbor and you get a better value. Well. And there's the thing,
right is I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm dead
wrong about this, but I feel like if you go farm to table and
you're able to do this on a local level, like I said, it
seems like a win win deal to me. And it seems like one of
the ways that we can fight back against what's happening right now. I don't
know, maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like this is one of those
things that could add, you know, a little bit of strength to our
ability to survive wherever it is we're sitting. I'm all for it, and
I think we should investigate ways to encourage this or maybe it already exists where
you the listener are sitting and listening to me right now. I don't know.
I am not saying that I know this, but this is a big
deal in my mind. Okay, I think this is one of the those
things that we have to do. This isn't like, oh, wouldn't that
be nice. I think this is one of those things we're going to have
to do soon in order to make life livable. Man, I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong. So Danny, tell me what what what else do
you think about this? You have anything else you want to add? I
mean, I want to see if you're and Jim James has an idea you
know about this or just don't think Well, we're also real quick. I
know I have heard some on some public radio stations that there's actually urban farm
has become quite popular, like where there's areas where they're kind of like an
area may be blighted and there might be a lot and they're starting you know,
co operative urban farming, and I think I agree. Anything we can
do to kind of uh add some form of competition in a healthy way,
it would be would be value to everybody, especially the conserner. That would
be my thoughts, right, And I mean, look if it if it's
succeeded enough to take a bite out of some of these you know, local
extortion projects they call grocery stores. Like I know, BP, you didn't
like it when I brought up Pigley Wiggily, but I'm telling you they're robbing
us here in this neighborhood. They have the highest prices of any I mean,
they are higher priced than Kroger or you know. The only thing they're
not higher price than is like, you know, the organic food store.
Other than that, just to buy crap. They are charging you more at
Pigley Wiggly than anywhere else. I mean, this is why people are shopping
at Family Dollar and the Dollar Tree for groceries. They're trying to escape Pigley
Wiggly, and some of them can't. They don't have the mobility to even
go a couple more miles away. I mean, it's just what it is,
be Pete, but it's not Pigley Wiggily's fault. It's just what happens
in certain urban environments. Your thoughts be pete or did I put you to
sleep? No, you're not gonna you know, you're not gonna change my
opinion of the pig. If they're charging more of that area, they're charging
what they think they can get away with. The American dream. But when
it comes to our state is heavily ag. It's our number one export UH
in this state. And we do have some excellent programs from field to fork
for I mean, it's amazing what our AGG department will do to help people
get in the business. If you want to raise it, catch it,
grow it, they will help you get it to market. They have specific
programs set up for that. So the problem is this, you know,
most people that go to the grocery store, they don't even know where's stuffs
coming from. You have a company like Smithfield, largest port producer in the
US, is now owned by the largest port producer in the world, which
is China. Other companies that have been bought out heavily through these like companies
like Berkshire Halfway buying into certain well let me let me ask you. Yeah,
let me ask you a geographically specific question then, because I know for
a fact there's plenty of hog farms in North Carolina. Okay, local guys
raising hogs, right, plenty of them. Now, how is it that
if you want to buy a pork product and I don't really eat pork,
but if you want to buy pork, how is it that you're not going
to one of these local guys? Or is there such a thing as this
cooperative ideal that I was talking about? Is there something like that so that
BP could go get bacon from a guy who's making it right there in North
Carolina? Or are you you know? Is that not there? Is there
not a connection between You've got independent stores other than your big grocery stores and
things like that. The Nahunta Pork Center up north of Goldsborough, nahunas one
of the biggest pork for you know, processors in the area. Buy anything
there. There's local, there's a store, there's a small store in is
it pink Kill or Deep pink Kill? I believe it is. You can
go down there by a whole hall, get it butchered anyway that you want.
That's the thing about Pigley wigglei'es now Pigley Wiggily still keeps an active butcher
in their stores to do their own butchering when it comes to I mean,
they'll buy beef, they'll buy pork, you know, whole halves and cut
them down for sale. It's your big companies like Smithfield and Tyson and things
like that that are being influenced by the you know, the the investment firms
and and companies from other countries that you know, want to come here and
buy in. Like I said, Smithfield was uh. They were based in
Virginia for years and years and years and they were just bought out by the
largest pork manufacturer in China. So you know, Smithfield Foods, you weren't
gonna see you guys had a chicken Yeah, you guys had a chicken plant
that was not far from where I lived in Kingston. And we've had several.
You've got the you've got the butterball turkey plant that's up in Goldsborough,
but right there in Kingston, you've got oh crap, uh, not Smithfield.
The label looks like Smithfield though it's something like that. It's it's a
it begins with an S something Farms. Let me look it up. Yeah,
they built built a huge feed meal process to process all the food that's
going to their chicken houses. And they've got a processing center which used to
be the old Frosty Morn packing plant. Morne was a local beat product company,
hot dogs, maloney, things like that years ago. Right now,
there was not Smithfield, let me look them up. Yeah. Now,
there was a place that was just outside of the borders of the very very
black part of Kinston that had a grocery store that was sourcing literally it's hot
dogs and stuff from some place locally, and I think it was the hot
dogs in the chicken mainly that they had coming in there and that was being
made locally. And Sanderson Farms they were put out of business, the one
that was right outside there. Yeah, Sanderson is the ones that came in
back in the nineties and built up real heavily in this area. They've got
a lot of the chicken houses. Now. Tyson used to be. Tyson
had a bunch of houses down here the Central Soil, which is another company.
I think they're located. I want to stay out of Arkansas, and
I'm not sure they had a lot of houses in here and over time Sanderson
said, hey, this is a good place for us to go in and
build a processing center. So it's a whole new it's not that old.
They have a lot of turnover. They employ a lot of people, a
lot of migrants work there. But they've gone the whole route. They not
only built a processing plant, but they also built the feed meal operations so
that they could service their farms. You know. They they have brooding houses
and things like that where they provide the chickens to the growers and then they
come and pick them up when they get of weight for processing. It's the
whole big, you know, convolute thing. But yeah, we've got Smithfield,
We've got Butterball turkeys. We've got House of Rayford Turkeys, which was
brought out by butter Ball. Murphy Brown is probably the biggest hog producer in
this end of the state. And there Murphy Brown is actually a subsidiary of
Smithfield Foods. Even the guy who ran even the guy who I was working
for as a as a commercial glass glacier, and we were putting in commercial
and institutional glass, I mean in schools, prisons, all that stuff.
I mean, I was carrying around hundreds and hundreds of pounds of freaking you
know, all sorts of different glass uh and and bulletproof stuff and all that.
You know, that guy had hog farms. It was like it was
wild man. It was. It was like it seemed like anybody who had,
you know, a pretty well established business of one type or another,
some sort of you know, a service thing that kind of was part of
servicing something else. Larger people that you know, did blacktop work stuff like
that, they all seemed to have. Oh yeah, and also I own
a hog farm. I couldn't figure it out when I was there, but
I was sitting there saying to myself, how is it that Smithfield and these
other companies have squeezed them out? And I remember that grocery store, like
I said, going out of business that was locally sourcing at the very least
chicken and hot dogs. I know, it sounds crazy, but they told
us when we went there that they were basically being put out of business by
the big boys, like they had arranged it so that they could no longer
be there. They weren't gonna they were starting to, you know, make
it more restrictive what it is they could bring in. They were wanting regulations,
Health Department. Everything came down on their heads and they shut it down.
And that is the end of local sourcing. So you have no idea
where happen to crap was coming from that they were packaging there. And also
you had no idea as to whether you were actually able to buy the stuff
that was being packaged locally, even at the food line or wherever else.
I don't understand this shuffling food through our system. It's like Danny was saying,
in the middle midlines around here and in this state, food lines went
through. They redid all their stores. They took out the basic, they
took out the butcher. Yeah, now all their stuff is processed, packaged.
When he comes in the door just goes from the you know, the
frozen truck to the frozen case, but it's on the shelf, but it's
all delivered now. So Pigley Wiggley, some of your I GAS, which
was what International Grocers Association or some some of their stores still have in house
butchers. I know there's there's a group of stores here called carly C's.
They've got I think eight or nine stores around the done area. They have
their in house butchers, so you can still find them. It's hard to
you know, when when the company's biggest food line, which you know everybody
thinks is American company, No, they're owned by a Scandinavian company, have
been for years. IM really look at who owns the big companies now with
most of them have foreign dies. One of the biggest, one of the
biggest food companies in the US is Nestley and they're you know, they're partially
owned by uh, China and other countries, so they're they're getting their fingers
into it. It's getting harder, but luckily our state has the ability to
find local sourcing. You know, if you I don't know how many people
watch PBS, but there was a program on there where a local chef they're
in Kinston started a restaurant and was buying all of her stuff locally and what
was it the farmer and the chef uh Nia has now turned into like a
family style restaurant because the owner has decided to invest more time down in the
South Carolina area. So she's kind of slowly making her way out of Kinston.
And you know, she was very popular. She's written some very popular
books and it was a program on PBS for several years the series ran.
So there are programs in place. We're lucky in this state. There's a
lot of states that don't have the programs set up that our Agriculture Department,
and a lot of it is done through our agg department, our local social
services, our local community colleges. There's a big push for especially with the
new technology that's entering the field of agriculture. It's amazing some of the things
that come out of North Carolina State in the way of processing and making the
small farmer viable in today's big market competition. Well, it's really set up.
Well, I'm really proud of what the state has done agriculturally to help
the small farmer. Yeah, but do you have access to it? Is
my question as a consumer? Do you have access? As a consumer?
Yes, do you have access? There's our ag department runs a got to
Be n C program where they actually go out and promote getting these local products
to our local markets and helping them move out of North Carolina into regional markets
and then being able to sell their goods, you know, say the entire
East coast. All right, but that doesn't sound like you personally have direct
access. It's like they put it in your stores and then you got see
more middleman. Jimmy, do you guys have stuff like this where you are,
like I was talking about with the cooperatives? Or can you get organic
or locally grown stuff? Or hell, would you even want it where you're
at? I don't know, you know, tell me what do they have
that kind of stuff for you? Do you have says to it locally?
Is that a possibility? And by the way, we're coming toward the end
of the show unless uh, either a we get some new callers or b
uh somebody makes a donation. So that's the end of that pretty soon.
I'm gonna let people give their final word. But Jimmy, you got any
thoughts on this? Uh? Uh? Yeah, there's probably that stuff around.
But my fear is if I did that stuff, I'd don't look like
Bobby Kennedy Junior. Full of worms and mercury. Oh you're already weird.
Youre weird? Yeah, fair enough, worried about the brain worms? I
got you. That's fine. If that's your worry, man, I'm with
you. It's okay, sucker. Rather go with the good old process.
Food did not have to get dewormed. Mm hmm. So instead of I
hunt here and I cut open deer and I see they have tuberculosis. Sec
fish them open. I see these black spots all inside them. They're full
of worms. You couldn't live office after you die before age fifty, just
like one hundred years ago. Wow. Okay, well, if that's the
case, I mean, you know, I'm hoping that's not the case here
in Georgia. But then again, I haven't slaughtered an animal in Georgia,
so I don't know, only that the bullbine the bowbye flew or whatever.
Huh Okay, hey, fair enough, So b Pete, We're about ready
to close out the show. You got any thoughts? No ours, another
good show. I even helped two hours flew by pretty quick. All I
can say is looking forward to doing it next week. Other than that,
appreciate Jimmy for calling in and our other caller from California there. Yeah,
I've opened up the line and they helped make the show. Definitely, absolutely
realize we got through two hours that we were really ever even touched on the
Trump issue very much. So no, you could consider that a win.
Shut Thank god I did not. I was so not looking forward to like
two hours of drowning in that, but who knows. Next week is another
option. And for you guys, look, I've got Danny and I've got
Jimmy, both on the open line right now, So if either one of
you wants to jump in and interrupt me, do it. But otherwise,
I think I'm going to put a cap on this one for the week and
tell you that no, no, Aaron Franz tonight, but he'll be back
next week along with Uncle. I think they had a soccer game or something
to do. But I do appreciate all you guys who have decided to listen,
and if you're catching this on the replay, I appreciate you as well.
We're adding new things to the replays, by the way, I don't
know if anybody noticed, but we got some May Brussel stuff running, which
everybody said I should do, so I ran the earliest recordings I had of
May Brussel and I'm going to add to him this weekend. And also I
got the Mike Swanson conversation from yesterday, which by the way, covers for
about an hour plus hour and fifteen. I think the Trump trial and what
Trump is doing in Virginia, and how he's looking a primary out a guy
who disagreed with him, I guess in Virginia, and what's happening in local
politics where Mike is also Wall Street Window retiring as a news website, so
that's going to be out of the way. And if you go there now,
you'll see that there's just that note up there. That's the only thing
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you do. And I still highly recommend Mike's books and will continue to support
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So that's that. And yeah, at all times I could use a
little help over here. I got a phone bill and something else coming up.
Then I gotta pay. And I know it's tough. It's the beginning
of a month and everybody's suffering. But we got to find ways out of
this. And I hope that I've given you some sort of ideas tonight.
Maybe explore your local food systems, see who's growing things, See if there
is a cooperative, and if there isn't, perhaps you could start one with
just a handful of people and we could begin to push back a little bit
against the food system, the ridiculousness. I mean, you're having stuff trucked
in from foreign nations that you're going to eat. I mean, Jimmy's happy
with the processed food, but I'm not. And I'm also not happy with
the cancer and the diabetes and the ozempic and Jesus Christ. Anyway, no
matter who you are, where you are, when you are, I want
you to remember that I'm merely o'celly. All of you are indeed the Effect,
and I'm working on that book too, so that'll be coming out soon.
We'll be talking about Lancer in the upcoming weeks and whatever else you guys
decide to join in with on Friday nights. And this was another one on
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or on Tuesday of this coming week, and hopefully Jefferson Morley will follow through
and show up coming week and others that I'm trying to book. Good Time