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Make 17 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:11.719 sure you check out the Untold Radio Network for all kinds of exciting shows. 18 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.760 It's free to subscribe. So what are you waiting for? Visit www dot 19 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:21.640 Untold radionetwork dot com. Today. Hey, this is Cammundner with the Dixie 20 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:26.879 Cryptid YouTube channel. You're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odyssey. What a great 21 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.439 podcast, Brian, You're doing a great job. Keep it rolling, brother 22 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.840 either Welcome back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so much for being with us 23 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.200 for the show. It is Friday. I hope you've had a great week. 24 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.400 We have an amazing guest on the show today. But I want to 25 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.879 start as I always do. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to 26 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.439 be on the show, shoot me an email you get me at Brian at 27 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.719 Paranumberworldproductions dot com. Get head over to the website, check out the blog, 28 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:13.960 become a member there and help support the show. I got to sit 29 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.439 down and talk to Rick from right here in my home state of North Carolina. 30 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:23.120 Rick is a BFRO investigator and he has been looking into Bigfoot for decades 31 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.680 and he's had tons of amazing experiences. This is actually a part one of 32 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.919 two with Rick because we talked for over an hour and a half and I 33 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:34.639 broke this up into like forty five minute blocks for you guys, so it's 34 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:38.280 a little bit easier to digest. I'm probably going to have Rick back for 35 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.560 another episode sometime in the future because there's so many stories and encounters that he 36 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:46.080 has worked on as a BFRO investigator that we don't even get into during these 37 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.159 conversations. Make sure you're back here on Sunday for Part two of this. 38 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.800 Towards the end of the conversation, Rick and I start talking about mimicry and 39 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:58.719 some of the things that these creatures are alleged to be able to do, 40 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.680 and talk a little bit about the mimicking car alarms, and if you guys 41 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:06.439 have been listening to that Bigfoot podcast, I think I might have mentioned it 42 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.719 over here. Danny and I did a camp out here on the property a 43 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.520 couple of months back, and we had a really weird situation with a car 44 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.280 alarm. I'll get into that in part two of this, but I'm going 45 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:20.319 to play the audio from that camp out because I had my recorders running, 46 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.120 so you guys, get to hear that in real time and get to hear 47 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:25.599 our response to it. Make sure you're back here on Sunday for part two 48 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.439 of that. But enough of that. I know you guys are ready to 49 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.039 get into it. Rick is on the line and he's ready to go. 50 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:34.680 All this left for you to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy 51 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:57.199 the show. I want to work up my guest of the show. It 52 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.319 is Rick from my home state of North Carolina. Welcome to the show man. 53 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.000 Thank you, Brian, appreciate it. Glad to be here. I'm 54 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:03.960 glad to have you. I been looking forward to this. Let's get right 55 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.879 into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What got you interested in 56 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.759 the subject to begin with? I was out looking for it, and I've 57 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:15.040 always been fascinated in cryptosology and the possibilities of other things UFOs, ghosts, 58 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:19.279 etc. But I wasn't an active researcher. I used to live in Wisconsin. 59 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:26.079 Was crossing the state with a business associate back in twenty ten. Latter 60 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.680 part of the day, we saw something across the road and it was in 61 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:30.800 between Walsaw and Green Bay on our way back, and we saw this thing 62 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.240 across the road, two lanes of oncoming traffic and grass media and in front 63 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:39.439 of us, and it leaped over a fence like a hurdler. Didn't know 64 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.959 what it was, wasn't thinking bigfoot, but knew it was by pedal. 65 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:48.879 I knew the color. It was a rust or reddish wall burn colored brown 66 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.560 that was striking to me, and I was sure it was by peedele. 67 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.639 I was sure. When the thing went over that fence, it hurtled. 68 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.879 I went back usurre to fence it and fences over five foot high. The 69 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.160 guy I was with went into denial mode. Later it's an elk or a 70 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:04.639 moose and all that kind of thing. I wasn't so sure, and that's 71 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:10.000 fine. Maybe he just didn't want to deal with it. But I started 72 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:16.240 diving online research months later found a BFRORO report north at me in Sturgeon Bay 73 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:20.160 area, and it described the same creature, not saying it was the same 74 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:25.560 to me, though it validated what I saw couldn't have possibly been something I 75 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.199 never thought of. Fast forward from then, I just chose to dive into 76 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.920 the subject matter, learn as much as I could about it. Got affiliated 77 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:38.600 with the BFRORO, but on investigations expeditions. I've been out in the woods 78 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:43.360 on this from Florida to British Columbia. I lead expeditions of research is saying 79 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.079 figures. I had a research area in Wisconsin. I lived there for a 80 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.959 number of years. I'd go into pretty much weekly. I've had all kinds 81 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.759 of encounters experiences with these things. I investigate still actively. I've done that 82 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.800 in Wisconsin. I did it in that kind of sea for a little while. 83 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.639 I do it here in western North Carolina, upstate of South Carolina. 84 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:05.279 I get into the follow up with people who do reports and let them out, 85 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.480 so I'm actively involved. I speak at conferences about subject matter. Just 86 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.480 got back from two expeditions that I attended. One helped lead one and lead 87 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:19.560 one take people out in the woods on a regular basis BFRO Expedition and I 88 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:25.240 go out to people's properties when I have possible sightings that I investigate. I've 89 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.279 talked to a lot of people, been to lots of locations. I have 90 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.439 right now three habituation sites I deal with on a regular basis. I've had 91 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.480 visuals of these things. You trust your eyes more than anything else. I've 92 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.879 seen these things, experience them in multitude of ways. I like to talk 93 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.439 about some of that today too. I know these things are real. I've 94 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.759 passed all that clearly evidence turtle myself too, So I know these things. 95 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.959 I don't know everything about them, but I know they are real and these 96 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.240 things do exist. And then I have a just refine. I go to 97 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.399 a lot of conferences and things. But I'm part of an LLC called I 98 00:06:56.439 --> 00:07:00.439 Know Squatch, and we sell merchandise, T shirts, hats, tu challenge 99 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.160 coins. We're at different shows, we have an Etsy store, We're on 100 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.240 Instagram and Facebook. But we do original artwork. I have a partner in 101 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:12.199 the business and he's a creative director, and we do original artwork on this 102 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.759 creature, not just the standard old black silhouette. I believe that's stuff, 103 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.319 but really we do original artwork the way people describe it. So we've got 104 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:21.959 one of the things we call the peak. Everybody's looking around a tree and 105 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:27.240 I can't tell you how many hunters that have told me that I've seen that 106 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.680 kind of thing. That's where we're coming from with that. And we've got 107 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.480 a number of trademarks. Curiously, I own the word whoop, have trademark 108 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.680 that word in this area of retailer as this area of merchandise, if you 109 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.879 will. I've had some fun with it two over the years. That's what 110 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.959 it's all about, is fun. And I am not as far down the 111 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.120 rabbit hole in believing about these things as you are. I'm almost there. 112 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.319 I've had experiences I can't explain. I've found things on our property here I 113 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:54.240 can't explain, but I haven't seen one. So let's talk a little bit 114 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.000 about your encounters. You got out, you started investigating these things. You 115 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.839 said you'd had encounters and experiences and see them. Talk about some of that, 116 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:01.519 and let us know where you were, what you were doing, and 117 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.399 tell us what happened to you. Yeah, sure, glad too. As 118 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.519 I said to one in twenty ten, I didn't know what I was seeing, 119 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.439 but looking back at it, knowing more about it physically, anatomy, 120 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.399 the way it travels, moves, locomotes, be sure that's what I saw. 121 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.879 A Class A and the BFO classifies Class A. You can distinguish it's 122 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.639 not a bear, not a person, and you physically see it. Class 123 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.399 B is like step off of that. Maybe you hear it and distinguish what 124 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:33.399 you're listening to. Like the Ohio Ho. It's something that's it's not again, 125 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.720 not a group of coyotes or a buck in the woods sort of things 126 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:41.240 end. Class C is a little less evident, but I've had I would 127 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.360 call three class as a couple more I would call class b's. In twenty 128 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:50.000 sixteen, I was on an expedition in Colorado, northwestern part of Colorado web 129 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.519 in the mountains, and I was with a group of folks in a canyon. 130 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:56.639 We had scotted out during the day. Five of us we had activity 131 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.320 around us, And what do you do these when you're on a expedition do 132 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.480 things for provocations and I'm not a fan of doing antagonizing provocation. If you 133 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.519 suspect they're around you, hear some of the subtleties when they approach, you 134 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:11.559 should put yourself in a position to be viewed. I do a whole talk 135 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:16.639 on this at conferences, how to put yourself in the best position to have 136 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.440 an encounter. So you do scouting during the day. I always look to 137 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.879 give them the high ground, find ways that they can get to you or 138 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.919 get above you and watch you, observe you. They're great observers, that's 139 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.080 characteristic of VIC But they love to observe, get yourself in a position, 140 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:35.919 and do things to entertain and be comfortable. If you're in a position somewhere 141 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.000 in the forest at one thirty in the morning, several people and you're not 142 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.639 a hunter, then I wouldn't behave like a hunter. I don't think that 143 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.679 helps at all. But you're talking laughing. We'll play Native American music, 144 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:52.960 flute music. Talk works great for me. Maybe do some visuals with a 145 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.960 laser light or a pattern of green laser lights in the woods. We'll turn 146 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.600 on tea like dandles. Lead them on trails. Again, mild provocation, 147 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.440 nothing that's antagonistic, and you make yourself curious. We had done this in 148 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.320 Colorado, in this canyon, we'd done some of that. We heard approaches 149 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.600 around us, pretty sure they were around. And here's where it gets Bucky. 150 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:18.279 Five of us. We saw a white boorb elevate above the trail ahead 151 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.559 of us. But we're observing this thing now. It's only this is August. 152 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.480 It's ten electric tens. It's too pretty bright up. But we see 153 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.480 this thing and it elevates above the trail and it's moving like it's observing us. 154 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.480 Five of us are all We go from laughing and talking to looking at 155 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.759 this thing. It's all you're doing as long enough was taught me look the 156 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.879 other way. So I tapped on the shoulder of the person next to me, 157 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.759 a woman. She's a sheriff from New Mexico. She and I both 158 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:48.519 turned and looked down the trail, and standing in the middle of the trail, 159 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.320 it was a six and a half foot tall black bigfoot and it stepped 160 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.679 out on the trail. Was it ninety feet? We have back and measured 161 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:01.159 the next day, and it went into oh, I've been seeing mode and 162 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.759 started to do that. This is another people observed this motion of a big 163 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.120 foot when they were spied upon, if you will. But it started to 164 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.480 go side to side, like a second basement or a short step in baseball, 165 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.600 and it went back and forth several times. I decided we're staring at 166 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:20.039 it, and then it took off and I checked from where I was standing 167 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.360 in the middle of the trail, and I could have one stepped into the 168 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:26.759 bushes, but we saw it take about three steps, so it went at 169 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.639 an angle, so I think it went towards something, and if it was 170 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.200 a juvenile, maybe it went towards a parent. Or someone that was leading 171 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.919 the group, and there's never one of These things were always in groups. 172 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:39.720 But I took off to the side. That was a good visual for me 173 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:46.480 because I clearly saw the physical characteristics of it. The arms out of proportion 174 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.879 with human long down to the hands out like the knees, thighs were short 175 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.519 or no neck. The head kind of slowed straight down to the edge of 176 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:00.279 the shoulders. You couldn't see the neck in between. Face was and it 177 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.200 wasn't hair in the face black, darkish face, all dark the eyes and 178 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.360 a sclare and the white. It was just the dark in the eyes. 179 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:13.799 I remember seeing that. And the face was flatish accentuated features hair, but 180 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.840 the hair was around the face with some hair I could see on the neck 181 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.320 and on the arms and things. And again this is a few second encounter, 182 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.039 but clearly a visual I could still see in my mind, but was 183 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:31.399 able to distinguish even the way I moved. The people describe these things as 184 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:35.679 dingja on roller skates. All that it moved like it was nice, just 185 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.600 took very often. So the way it moved what I saw clearly know that 186 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:41.960 was a big book. I wasn't in my mind looking back at that I 187 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:46.919 would say features and ninety feet thirty yards pretty close and I could get at 188 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.960 height in my own my top six for two. This was just a little 189 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:58.200 bigger than but it did not antagonize as it didn't bluff charge. I've done 190 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.360 bluff dargs around you, but didn't do that. I just shout off to 191 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:03.919 the side. But it was nervous. You could tell it had to look 192 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.600 on. Oh, I've been seeing sort of thing. And I think sometimes 193 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.200 when you were around these things, and I said earlier, there's always a 194 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.559 group, but I think they deployed the Jewey's a little bit. Let's see 195 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.440 what these people are all about. So I think there was some of that 196 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:22.799 going. In twenty eighteen, I had another visual. So five people again 197 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.159 on a trail above and this was in the mountains of Virginia, down in 198 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:31.679 the southwest corner of Virginia. I won't give you the exact but nearest state 199 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.600 park there. And we were above a lake and we had been walking on 200 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.879 this trail that was on the side of the mountain above the lake. Again, 201 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.840 just after dusk five of us we had activity above us. We could 202 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.080 hear them above us. We're doing the inch worm technique you may know that 203 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:52.360 got popularized in the Finy Big Put Show a bit and if anybody's a member 204 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.840 of BFRORO or reads the manuals and things, it's descriptively tactically used in there. 205 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.240 Five people, you'd have one person walk ahead fifty or one hundred yards, 206 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.320 two or three, then catch up and go buy that person. One 207 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.039 person come from behind. But if you're being observed from above, and again 208 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.320 I think that's best practice, you want to get in a position you can 209 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:16.600 be observed and give them the high ground. But it looks like a chain 210 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.639 as it's moving along. It's people, don't these things. Watch people observe 211 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:26.159 people. Hikers, hikers, Hunters are predictable what we do. Hunters take 212 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:31.200 a position and they've got a gun, right I themselves observe abated field or 213 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:35.559 whatever. Hikers are out talking, walking in a groove, taking pictures and 214 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:41.000 walking sticks with an inch worm. People moving in an inchworm manner very erradically 215 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.919 catched up and passing. It's hard for them to distinguish what's going on. 216 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.000 And when they're above and they see that, they get vocal. Sometimes I 217 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.240 was picking up on my parabolic I had headphones in a parabolic. I was 218 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.240 picking this up. You could hear them talking above and again. I don't 219 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.600 know what they're saying, but hear them scurrying around and talking. But this 220 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:01.960 went on along this trail for part of it a half mile and we got 221 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.919 to a point where we stopped and was show starting elevating and go around the 222 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.559 bend above this lake. A couple of us had legged behind at three were 223 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.600 ahead. I took the parabolic down because I look it up a ravine next 224 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:15.919 to us as I was wrapping the cord up. Woman next to me, 225 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.039 who was an investigator from Chattanooga, Lori Wade, I think you may have 226 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:20.799 better ear in a show at some point. Laurie's great friend of mine. 227 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.039 I have a lot of respect for it. But she says, oh my 228 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.360 god, what's that? And she sees the sync come down the ravine aboves 229 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.200 down the left side of the ravine. I look up and I catch it 230 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.559 as it gets behind a tree on the left side of the ravine stops. 231 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.840 I put the parabolic down and gentleman standing next to Jeff Garver also sees it, 232 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:45.720 and this scenk takes off right across the ravine and we see it engage 233 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.559 all them big muscles, engage arms, legs, and I've described it before 234 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.039 as like a running back hit in a hole on a football game. This 235 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:58.039 scene was powerful, black, huge, and we went back to try it 236 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.039 a position because there was a tree across the little were part of the ravine. 237 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.519 Put the tallest person we had behind that. Our guests is this thing 238 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.399 was easy, eight but maybe nine nassive. I recall next day, I 239 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.879 wake up saying, how could anything that big go that fast? It just 240 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.519 motored. Watched it run across pumpets, arms, run right across to a 241 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.519 tree on the other side of the ravine. Stop there, look at us. 242 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:22.440 I'll tell you the force and the power of that thing was scary. 243 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.360 That stuck with me. One in Colorado. I just felt like it was 244 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.840 amusing. The first one I saw out in twenty ten. It really wasn't 245 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.879 sure what I saw at the time, but I got the features and characteristics 246 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.320 of it. Physically, this thing, I know what it was, and 247 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:41.080 on the sheer scale, it was scary. Now we recorded all our observations 248 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.200 on this. You want to hear a stream of cuss words, It's it's 249 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.559 interesting to hear it. We're all just because we can't believe what we're seeing 250 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:53.000 scale wise. But again, three people seeing this, the one in Colorado, 251 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.879 two of us saw. I had somebody with me to saw the one 252 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.720 back in twenty ten. My wife is a good scale. People always say 253 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.159 to me A nice thing is you got people with you every time you saw 254 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.440 one of these. And I do think that's good because you can talk about 255 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.640 it later. And we shared the same observations, and you listen to the 256 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:12.119 recording again, which is best practice. You go out in the woods and 257 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.079 you do this. You should always have a recorder going, but you listen 258 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.119 to your own observations. It helps you. Later you've got the pencil and 259 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.039 paper out and drew. What we saw corroborates all that. It clarifies you're 260 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.559 thinking, So those are three class as I have that I have no in 261 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.319 my own mind. I have no doubt what I saw. It wasn't like 262 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.920 I saw a glimpse of something or a shadow movement. I have plenty of 263 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.279 that. I don't count that as class with these, all three of them. 264 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.079 I saw the arms and legs ahead. I know these things weren't bears. 265 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.799 I know they weren't humans, and gilly suits I know what I saw, 266 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.720 all three of them, even the second one when it activated started to 267 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.960 move. All three of these things were moving at some point in my observation. 268 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.480 What has struck me later is none of that movement could have been human. 269 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:02.119 It's just too fast the things. I have to laugh. I go 270 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:06.839 on expeditions, always tell people trust your vine senses, but you can't outtect 271 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.799 these things yet out run them, and I don't think it can trick them. 272 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:12.440 And I don't believe that either. But if they want a locomo and 273 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:17.319 they want to move, it's pretty dark fast. I got a buddy of 274 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.240 mine, it will remain Anonymous is in South Carolina showed me a video a 275 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.680 couple of weeks ago one of these things moving across his property because he's got 276 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.480 cameras everywhere. He's eleven acres and he's got activity, and his wife's walking 277 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.559 out to the car, and the SNK ticks so off and you can see 278 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.559 it. It's in the woodline, but it's time of year. We could 279 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:34.960 see right through the woods. Full age is not out. And the thing 280 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.440 starts on the right side of his fee and runs all the way across the 281 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.119 top of the horizon through the woods and on the other side. Now he's 282 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.960 got military connections due to his work. That's so it runs the video and 283 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.279 showed it to him and gave me put it in the hands of some military 284 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.480 scientists. They looked out and came back. The thing's going about twenty five 285 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.039 to twenty six miles an hour. That's fast for a bike. I don't 286 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:56.440 know, Brian, I can't go twenty six miles an hour. I'm pretty 287 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.599 sure you can. So. To my point, on their abilities physically, 288 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:06.880 it's amazing, and that's what struck me in all three of these. It's 289 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.279 just the speed, the rapidity of movement, how fast they can move if 290 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.599 they want to is it's shocking. So I would call all three of those 291 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.440 classes. I had a couple others. Probably a notable I'll just throw in 292 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.880 at a research area in Wisconsin used to go to all the time. My 293 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.000 wife and I'd leave apples. I'd put them on a stick up fifteen feet 294 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.720 in the air. I did everything I could to deep bunk and pick the 295 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:32.119 turkeys and the squirrels out of the equation, but i'd lead bags of apples 296 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:33.759 and things out anyway. We got back to the trailhead after doing it as 297 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:38.160 one research air is off a horse trail as part of the Kettle Maraine Forest. 298 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.039 Anybody wants to your listeners want to look that up. I researched in 299 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:45.319 the air for years northern unit. But as she gets to the vehicle, 300 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:47.799 I get the vehicle to trailhead we're going to go, and I see this 301 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:49.960 stick structure over the woods. I said, I got to take a picture 302 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.000 that because I've written a book on that. Stick structures to me is an 303 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.599 underserved area big foot research, and I've got a lot of photos of them. 304 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.559 So I get out to take a picture of and I look back down 305 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.400 the trail well and the trail goes twenty five yards of bi furcates each way. 306 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.559 And I just glanced on the trail and I see this four foot tall, 307 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:12.519 black running bipedal like thing coming off a one branch of the trail across 308 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:18.640 this the y intersection over the other side, and it just disappeared. I'm 309 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.119 watching it. I see it come and it just runs across the spirit. 310 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.319 Now I wouldn't call out a class A. I don't know what that is, 311 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.519 but it's a physical observation. And whatever I saw that was running on 312 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.720 two legs dispirit. I'ven't talked a lot of witnesses that I've had the same 313 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:37.640 sort of experience. Now you see it, now you don't. I don't 314 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.839 know how that happens, but it is a characteristic related on big book. 315 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.759 And then I was another expedition I think it was twenty eighteen. It was 316 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:49.160 a Northern Georgia on a trail with three other people, and we were walking 317 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:52.920 a trail around side of a mountain late at night and had some activity below 318 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:57.240 is ravine below we're knocking get responses and the forum us stopped. At one 319 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:02.960 point I turned round turned around quick because one of us picked up a signal 320 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.279 on their phone, not as were places no signal, and all of a 321 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.000 sudden got serviced and we all turned to look at each other as I looked 322 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:12.519 back down the trail. So this thing come up out of the ravine and 323 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:18.880 it was gray and huge, and it crawled across the gravel road of the 324 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.720 two track smart too. It went from the where the moonshine was bright on 325 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:27.240 one side of the trail into the shadow on the other and crawled up the 326 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:33.119 high side into the mountain Laurel. We went back to that area, and 327 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.240 so you could see where all the grass was flattened out where it crawled up 328 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.000 out of the ravine, and it had to be four feet five feet wide. 329 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:42.599 This signal belly crawled and I saw no legs. So here's the thing 330 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:47.960 moving across the ground. Huge And then I say it at night to shout 331 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:49.319 again. I wouldn't call us a class A. But it was a belly 332 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:53.759 crawling creature that was gray. They crawled across, came up out of a 333 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:59.079 ravine, crawled across the trail and went up up a ravine on the other 334 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:03.400 side. I don't know of an animal that can locomo like that. I 335 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.680 know for sure it wasn't a coyo. It was too big of a mountain 336 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:10.680 lion, maybe a mountain lion with belly crawl. But at Cavan area, 337 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:14.000 we heard the knocks down blows that we had, We had interaction, We 338 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:18.319 knocked at the response call response type. Think again, I would call those 339 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:22.640 significant encounters. Not a big but standing in front of me. So it 340 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.519 speaks some discerting and I always tried a deep bok, but those are unique 341 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:30.319 too. Let's talk a little bit about a couple of things. This came 342 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:36.119 up recently. I had doctor Hogan Chiro on the podcast a couple of weeks 343 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.480 back, and we got into a very unexpected conversation for me. I didn't 344 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.920 do a whole lot of work before the episode because I thought it was just 345 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.720 somebody coming on to share their experiences, and he surprised me. PhD and 346 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.920 primates and some other things we got into these conversations. One of the things 347 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:56.079 that came up that Hogan brought up was why is it that bigfoot always is 348 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:02.440 the biggest, baddest, fastest, largest, Wrong, It's got all the 349 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:07.200 things right to his point, It was interesting because you do hear that often 350 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:10.799 in encounters, and if these things are flesh and blood like I think they 351 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:12.920 are, it does bring up some things for me. So let me ask 352 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.400 you, as a seasoned researcher who has had so many experiences seeing these things, 353 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.160 do some of the very things that we were talking about. Something that 354 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:25.880 big, let's say eight feet tall, even seven feet tall, being able 355 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:30.519 to drop down and crawl the way you just described or moved twenty five miles 356 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.799 an hour. I've been twenty five miles an hour on a knee bike. 357 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:34.880 We were on an ee bikes up in Radium. When I was up there 358 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:38.000 with Todd last year, I was doing like thirty five. That's fast on 359 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.359 a bike, right, I certainly can't run that fast. Just having the 360 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:47.599 creature be as big as they are, the muscle mass that we're talking about, 361 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:51.799 the perceived strength that would come with that muscle mass, and then being 362 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:56.400 able to move that fast and in a way. Again, this has come 363 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.519 up recently over on that Bigfoot podcast. Win and I did an entire show 364 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.440 about the max footage from the Great North film back in two thousand and what 365 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:08.640 I see in that video, this thing is moving, like everybody has explained 366 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.640 to me, almost like you said, on ice or on roller skates, 367 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.559 or it even looks like a man on a bike. Honestly, the movement 368 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:19.960 is just so unnatural. There's a question in there somewhere. Let me ask 369 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:25.680 you this, just in your opinion, seeing these things and researching these things, 370 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.759 approaching it the way that you do, what is your explanation for them 371 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:33.799 having all the things? It's almost like the superhuman, the superhero of the 372 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.440 cryptids being so big, so strong, so fast. How do you rationalize 373 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:41.680 that as an investigator in your own mind, having seen them do some of 374 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:47.119 those very things, and stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll 375 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:55.240 be right back after these messages. It's hard to rationalize. I am not 376 00:24:55.359 --> 00:25:03.759 an anthropologist, credited study or researcher of apes, humans how things evolve. 377 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.160 But if you follow it from an evolutionary standpoint, you got to ask the 378 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.799 question you're asking, which is why do they have these abilities? Did they 379 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:17.279 evolve this way? So it gets back to if they're indigenous, dominad pognitive, 380 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.240 it's et cetera, et cetera. I relic commod got to be the 381 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.880 words of the day a couple of years ago, and I've talked to Meltin 382 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.599 about that a lot. But I don't know why they have these abilities. 383 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.960 Do I think it's evolutionary? No, people say, because at some point 384 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:32.480 you're gonna say, what do you think it is? Rick, And I'm 385 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:36.119 going to say, I think they're physical creatures because I have an agreement with 386 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.920 you. But I think they have paranormal ability and paranormal characteristics that they can 387 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:47.400 use if they need to. So for some reason they have these abilities, 388 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.599 whether it's physical meaning they can really move fast, or now you see them, 389 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.079 now you don't or mimicry Ei. They're very good at mimicking things. 390 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.759 They're superhuman, and they do have superpower relative to other animals, relative to 391 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:06.319 other cryptids. As you said, why is that? Are they indigenous? 392 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:11.440 Is it evolutionary? Do they have abilities that they needed at some point for 393 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.839 some use on this planet? The more questions than answers you. I'm not 394 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.079 a put of theory out there in front of you and say this is what 395 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.119 it is. But I've heard theories that how they're not from this planet and 396 00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.039 maybe they were put here to what's Tom Powell say? They could have been 397 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.920 put here to mine years ago or something, And I don't know that. 398 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.799 It doesn't seem to me they have abilities that were natural on Earth in order 399 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.400 to succeed. They see in the dark, look at all the things, 400 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.960 and who wind up looking at them saying what are the paranormal things? The 401 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.359 physical characteristics or whatever? I think we got to stop thinking that way too. 402 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.039 So let's stalk about a couple of those things with that give off when 403 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:55.000 you're around them. They foul electronics. Safe to say, when you're around 404 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.759 these things electronics fall, phones go dead. I can't tell you how any 405 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:00.759 task cam recorders. I've had I just go dead after it's fully charged. 406 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.000 There's just some folks interesting. One guy at the phone was down to fifteen 407 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:11.160 percent recharge around me. That's a new one. EMF readings go, you 408 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.000 get high EMF around them or even places they've been. One of the gentlemen 409 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.839 I do with the bituations got them on the site. He's getting THEMF readings 410 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.519 down in the area that they come to all the time and his property and 411 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.799 are twenty times normal. Now, how can that be? But I don't 412 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.680 know. Eye shine, eye glow? What is that all about, Brian? 413 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.480 Why do they so people? You can call it whatever you want. 414 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.640 I don't really care the nomenclature eye shine, eye glow, bioluminescence, blah 415 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.880 blah blah. I don't really care what that is. I've seen these things 416 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.400 different colors. I've seen amber. I've seen a light blue. I've seen 417 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:48.039 the eyes project like a flashlight on the path in front of them. Light 418 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.880 blue. I've seen white. I've seen red. So two pairs of white 419 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.839 eyes with two sets of red down in front of them. The whites are 420 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.640 up around seven feet, the red were down off four or five. You 421 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.759 see the shadows around. I belied he had two adults, two Jewy's below 422 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.240 them. I've seen that. I don't know how that happens to me, 423 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:08.519 it's all observational evidence. But for some reason they have the ability, superhero 424 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:14.359 ability for their eyes to project and for their eyes to shine. It's not 425 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:15.720 like catching a deer in your red headlamps when you're out in the wood, 426 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:21.880 but they're bright and they do that infra sounds apping, that whole thing. 427 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:26.079 I've been around that bend zapped, experience it for sound, recorded it, 428 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.319 seeing it down audacity. I don't know what all that. I do know 429 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.839 in for sounds apping, and we could talk about that more. It's not 430 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.559 a great feeling. But they have the ability to do that. Now you 431 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:41.440 could say that's evolutionary and they develop that so that they could immobilize prey and 432 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.480 then get the deer, and maybe it works for them that way. I 433 00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.920 could accept that to a degree. That to me makes some sense because it's 434 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:52.240 some big cats elephants out they mobilize. There's there's trailcam. I saw saw 435 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.559 them little while ago up in Michigan. Trail cam got the deer in the 436 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.799 foreground and a deer look like it's deer the headlights and the bigfoots in the 437 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.720 background. So maybe that's something I could accept that way, But what's with 438 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.799 the eyeshine? Why do they have that? And if they do have an 439 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.279 ability to phase in and out, we talk about the predator thing and everything, 440 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.960 but what's that? Why why can they do that? They clearly could 441 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.920 see in the dark and they see the way you know, way better and 442 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.519 it's in the dark, but they're observed during the day two. I had 443 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.319 a discussion with some folks a little while ago that was, you can mind 444 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.119 the database of vet it out reports bfro has and more of the observations or 445 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.640 in the daytime that at night. Somebody said, I really have to look 446 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.599 at that. But okay, are they daytime creatures or nighttime creatures? Maybe 447 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:42.279 both? Mind speak and that comes up people get words and images in their 448 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:47.559 mind when they're around these things. I have experienced that a couple of times. 449 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.599 I don't know what that is. So it brings up a whole question. 450 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.200 Why do they communicate they have a high mind, if they can communicate 451 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.720 with each other telepathically, if that's an ability they and I don't know if 452 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.519 it is or if it isn't, why do they not. Well, whistle 453 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:10.200 rock clack one observational characteristic which we look at and say humans don't have that 454 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.519 and animals don't have it's superhuman. It's a superpower, you know what. 455 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.079 As soon as you observe it, it brings up another set of question, 456 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.960 which is really why this is a gift keeps on giving and a this while. 457 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.920 And I find it fascinating it. But I'm okay with it all being 458 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:29.680 evidence and just observing it and talking about it like we are. But yes, 459 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.839 they do have abilities we don't have. I don't think they're all evolutionary. 460 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.799 Just in summation put two lines under this, and we may not have 461 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.640 observed all the abilities they have. Yeah, it's one of those things that 462 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.240 I've went back and forth on so many times because I've talked to so many 463 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:51.160 people who have had very many of this same experiences that you've had that can't 464 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.640 be explained. Let's take one step at a time. One of the earlier 465 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.640 interviews, I was just on another podcast. I was telling you I was 466 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.720 a guest on a podcast earlier today, and one of the things I was 467 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.880 talking about was some of the earlier interviews I did here on sasquatch Ot to 468 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.240 see and I look back now on some of those interviews. At the time 469 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.759 I was hearing these people talk, I thought they were crazy. I'm not 470 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.200 gonna lie, just some of the things were so out there, but now 471 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.119 have been vetted out over years of looking into this and talking to so many 472 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.559 other people who've had very similar experiences. One of the first ones talked about 473 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:29.359 he called it being zapped or infrasound or something. Sitting on his porch and 474 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.039 he has these things. He said, he had these things in and around 475 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:36.319 his property, and he believed that this big male would get pissed off at 476 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.960 him because he would get too close to a couple of the juveniles that he 477 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.160 was interacting with, to the point where he said he was at arm's length 478 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.799 with his female trying to feed her candy, and he felt like he got 479 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.759 zapped. He would get sick, he would experience things that a lot of 480 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:55.079 people have explained in the infrasound thing. I rolled my eyes back then, 481 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.119 and frankly, I've done it a couple of times recently when people tell me 482 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.599 those things. But when you hear it over and over, there's got to 483 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.559 be something there because something physical is happening. There's a physical reaction that many 484 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.079 people have when they have that experience. So let's talk about it. For 485 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:13.480 you. You said you'd experienced that a couple of times. Let's talk about 486 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:17.400 those experience. What was going on when the infrasound situation or possible infrasound or 487 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.519 zapping happened, and what was it that you experienced so one of them that 488 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.880 it comes to mind really well, it's not an expedition. It was in 489 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:32.440 north central western part of Wisconsin. There were five of us. We were 490 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.240 out on a trail pitch black dark and came to a gravel road which went 491 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:43.400 off of the land. We were on the park land and we saw some 492 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.039 type of an orb thing in the field moving around below us. As we 493 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:50.480 were entering this really pitch black part of the forest. It got to the 494 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.519 point we stopped and you could we heard some things around us, but we 495 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:58.279 weren't all in that havey were being observed. Thought about it, so we 496 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.680 did some stupid things. We turned on corn He started playing some rock music 497 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.319 and different colored lights and I had some little halloween lights you could push on 498 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.200 and they sent off strobes and colors and everything. I don't think that went 499 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.839 over well. So we did this in it dark for a little while and 500 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.319 started to pick up and we could hear a movement around us. It started 501 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.720 to get the creepy feeling, and let's get out of here. So we're 502 00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.880 going to reverse turn around and go back out to we had a ways to 503 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.160 go a few hundred yards, get back to where it got clear, you 504 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.720 know, because we're in this deep dark part of the forest, but we 505 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.960 think things are around it. And the other investigator with me, he says, 506 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:36.680 I'll lag back a few steps, and I walked ahead with the other 507 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:44.240 folks. They was a father, mother, and college son. So I 508 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.519 started walking with them and we're going along and all of a sudden, behind 509 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.160 me, this other research syst to me, I'm getting zap getting I said, 510 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.319 what do you mean. He says, I feel bad. I got 511 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:59.759 fight or flight terrible, and I'm getting this awful feeling like all all through 512 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:04.119 me. I said, where's it coming from? Because I believe it's directional, 513 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.039 but they can send it, and he says off to my right, 514 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.000 right at my two o'clock. I said, okay, I say it, 515 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:10.960 just slow down, you I'm gonna come back. No, you guys keep 516 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.800 walking a little bit ahead, and we just keep maybe it'll stay with me. 517 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.480 And so we continue to walk, and all of a sudden, one 518 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.360 by one, the father it's a wall. It's just like you walk right 519 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.039 into a wall. And he says, whoa, I can't go any further. 520 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.719 And I said, what's the matter, And he says, it feels 521 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.440 like electricity. The sun walks into it, bang, like a wall. 522 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.559 And I still, I'm gonna step behind him. I haven't felt I say. 523 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.079 He goes, I can't move, and he's uffing and buffing. I 524 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.239 walk into it bang, and I could feel it and literally it felt like 525 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:47.000 I stuck a screwdriver and an electric souck. It's going through my arms, 526 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.760 over my shoulders. I can feel it tingly in my arm. And it's 527 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:52.920 not good. It's immobilizing. It's not a good thing. It's all through 528 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.719 it. So now you get all of us. Here's a curious thing. 529 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.199 A woman in the group doesn't get it. She's walking parallel with us. 530 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.679 She's fine. Now the four men we all got it. We're standing there 531 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.400 and you don't feel like you can continue. You feel like you can't walk. 532 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.360 But you've got this feeling radiating through you of static electricity on ten and 533 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.920 it's not good. And it's heaviness too. There's like a you're breathing, 534 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:20.199 trying to catch up with your breathing, trying to work your way through it. 535 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.119 You can't fight through it though, you can't. That made that mistake 536 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.679 a few times. You can't. But I said, all right, we've 537 00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.000 got to keep walking. We've got to keep going. So we're just taking 538 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.519 slow steps. I'm talking to the woods, which I do all the time. 539 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.559 All right, we're sorry we should have played all that music back there, 540 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.079 and we're sorry for the lights. We mean no harm. We're leaving. 541 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:43.039 This is your part of the woods, this is your place. We 542 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.079 didn't mean to be disruptive. We're just curious about you. We're going. 543 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:49.960 Please let us go, and we continue to walk. Did you walking gradually? 544 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.760 It subside dropped off as we got away, but it hung around a 545 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.039 bit. It was at least three to five minutes where that was pretty pretty 546 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.519 intense. Where it was four men all the mobilize having a hard time putting 547 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.159 one foot in front of the other, and the kid golleg she was gonna 548 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.880 get nauseous, so it was you're heavy breathing when you're it's like a shock. 549 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.400 That was not good. So that was one time. But said still 550 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.360 the woman she didn't get it, and I figured that out. I could 551 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.000 your eyes and say, we disrupted a family unit of them back there, 552 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.079 and they're pissed off. It was because we're in the woods and made a 553 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.000 lot of noise and maybe the alpha female of the group gave us a good 554 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:29.159 zapping and it was sympathetic to the woman. Knew the woman in our group 555 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.159 was not part of that and said, okay, you've met. I'm going 556 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.480 to let you all have it. But that was not good. That was 557 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.000 not a good feeling. As far as napping i's happening experiences. That was 558 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:42.559 not a good one. That one felt electric. I'll give you one of 559 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.360 the quick one on it, because I'd probably forgotten more about the quitting than 560 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.840 I'll remember. But I saw the one in Virginia that I described that class 561 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.400 A and when we saw the come down the ravine and go across again, 562 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.800 and I think they will single out the person in the group that's the leader 563 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.960 or the tallest. Usually at them, it seems almost like, if we 564 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.880 make the leader of the group, who we perceive to be the leader of 565 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.519 the group, feel uncomfortable, the others will subside. I got said I 566 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.639 was tallest of the five, and I got this feeling, and literally it 567 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.639 felt like somebody just all of a sudden, but a piano on my shoulder. 568 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.679 It was this massive weight. I fight through it. I'm gonna keep 569 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.920 walking on the trail. I could take it out. I just was standing 570 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:29.679 there again, You're heavy breathing, and the weight is just compressing right down 571 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:34.639 on your shoulder and not letting go. Just an awful feeling. I didn't 572 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.440 get no oxious or anything. I had somebody standing there with me. You 573 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:38.719 all right, you're right kind of things. I'm all right, I'm buying, 574 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.400 but we got to go back. This is it, and I want 575 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.000 us to do any further. I'm getting the message and turn around her. 576 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.679 We did. Now. Interestingly enough, I mentioned my friend Lauria. She 577 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.519 was there. She continued up the trail and went around the corner again. 578 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:58.079 We're above this leg and she goes around the corner into the more Mount Laurel, 579 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.719 thinking and stuff. She comes back after a few min we're slowly walking 580 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.679 back the rest of it, she says, I can't go any further. 581 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.360 That's why what happened. She says, I got a voice in my head 582 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.320 when I came around the bend up there that said please turn around, please 583 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:14.239 go please stop, turn around, please go back. And she said I 584 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.679 did it. She didn't get zapped, but she got these words in her 585 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:21.719 head over and over which said turnaround. That happened when we had a visual. 586 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.960 Three people saw that large black bigfoot come down that were being above us. 587 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:30.599 So we got a class A someone getting zapped in a message and her 588 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.239 mind. All at this encounter, I dismissed it all. If you want 589 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.719 to to me again, it's all evidence. Let's talk a little bit about 590 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.599 the mind speak, the telepathic communication thing. You said you'd experienced that. 591 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:44.800 What was that like for you, because I believe Laurie told me about that. 592 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:45.599 It might have been in person when I hung out with her up in 593 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.239 the Smokies last year, or she talked about it on the show, or 594 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.440 possibly both. But what was the experience that you had specifically with the mind 595 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.599 speak of the telepathic communication. So one of the best ones that's very clear 596 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.199 with me was years ago, and I mentioned the northern unit Kettle Maraine Forests 597 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.639 in Wisconsin, a research area. I said, there, that's new to 598 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:07.960 this. But bumble and bumble around when you're first doing this and you go 599 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.639 in the woods and you do things, and later on you look back. 600 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:13.440 I said, what, tack, I do that for you. It's pretty 601 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.320 stupid. But I would go insteadat's going out at night. I would get 602 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.239 to some areas in the woods before the sun came up, and I would 603 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.760 walk horse trails, or i'd go back in the woods and solo. I 604 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.800 didn't know what tech I was looking for. I was just n't observed and 605 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.519 see if I hear a knock or something. I'd walk along shallow and make 606 00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.960 noises, whoop noises or whistles. I'm in this area near the any of 607 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.280 your listeners know there, near the Parnell Power which is a big observational tower 608 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.639 up in a hill and northern new to the Kettle Maraine. I was in 609 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.039 a horse trail not far from there, and I'd been in the woods for 610 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:51.559 a couple hours. So it got to a spot I went off the trail. 611 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.000 I thought I saw a print in er a bog, and then I 612 00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:01.559 saw this area of all these bows, trees newly torn down, and saplings 613 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.079 torn down or laid out almost in a nest. I'm saying, what kind 614 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.159 of creature could have done that? So I'm over picking these things up and 615 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:12.480 looking at them, and they're all five feet long and laid down across each 616 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.519 other. So what the heck? What kind of creature could have done this? 617 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.840 I'm just puzzled. But you're a bigfoot and you're around You're looking and 618 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.800 saying, who the heck is this human out here following my potential lipst And 619 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.639 you know, seven thirty in the morning, the sun's just going on. 620 00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.840 What the heck's he doing? That's how I was looking back. I felt 621 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.800 it was an annoyance. So back out on the trail, walking along, 622 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.239 I come to a clearing, I go and I step off and I walk 623 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.760 them in this clear I see a deer standing in this clearing. It's dough. 624 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.559 What struck me as I got very close to it, I didn't know 625 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:49.360 why. I said, why is this things now moving its feet from me? 626 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.000 And it's kind of look in its eye like you can't move, like 627 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.480 it's scared to death. And I'm saying to myself, I didn't scare it. 628 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.519 Why is it doing so? Later on, get back to our prior 629 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:04.000 conversation, and if they can use zapping to immobilize something. Maybe it was 630 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.639 prey and it was in the prey window that moment. And here I comes 631 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.960 froll along my back back and my walking stick and making noise in the woods 632 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.360 and picking up part of a potential nest. Figure that out. It wandered 633 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:20.360 away from me. As I stepped out of the clearing back onto the trail, 634 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.239 these pebbles started coming out of the woods over my shoulder, and I'm 635 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.960 saying, what in the heck is that? Then some acorns they're hitting me 636 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.199 in the back of my shoulder, and I stop and I pull out my 637 00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:36.719 binoculars and I look in the woods and say, what in the heck is 638 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:38.599 doing that? And I'm calling out, hey, what are you doing? 639 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:44.280 What is nothing? So I walked another ten twenty yards. It starts again, 640 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.440 small pebbles, acorns coming out of the woods, flying over my shoulder, 641 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.039 hitting me in the shoulder. I stopped it again, pull out it, 642 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.119 but I could stare up into the woods to my left, don't see 643 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:58.000 anything. Now I'm starting to get pissed off. What the heck, is 644 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.920 what is going on here? I take a few more steps. Third time 645 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.719 happens again. A corns are hitting me the back of the head, on 646 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:07.360 the shoulders. I stop. I got the binoctars out. I'm staring intensely 647 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.519 into the woods and I'm calling out and I'm saying, who's there. I'm 648 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.760 yelling into the woods, and all of a sudden, a matter of feet 649 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.920 behind me, twenty feet, a tree gets pushed over. I think it's 650 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.400 going to hit me. I hear it right behind me, and this massive 651 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.440 tree is cracking. We've pushed over. And that if you ever heard a 652 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.880 tree get pushed over cracked in the woods. It's intense. This is close 653 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.239 twenty feet it's close behind me, and I think I have to turn and 654 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:43.960 see this. But I'm scared, and in my mind I hear run, 655 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.320 run the word run over and over. Run, don't look back. Run. 656 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.079 I can hear it right now, don't look back. I take off 657 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.320 running, but I don't look back, and I run two hundred and fifty 658 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.639 yards plus to the head of the trail, get my vehicle and whole ass 659 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.880 out of there. Now, I remember I'm driving down the road, and 660 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:06.960 I call my wife, I say, you can't believe what just happened to 661 00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.320 me, and you think you're having a heart attack. It's just it's awful. 662 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:14.239 But I heard those words in my head. No. I went back 663 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.119 within a day or two, dragged my wife back there with me, went 664 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.360 down up just slide off the trail, and here's this tree that's broken off 665 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.480 at about nine feet off the ground. Its snapped off right next to the 666 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.679 trail, just off the trail. I was standing on the trail. This 667 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.960 is just off the trail, Like I said, it was close twenty feet 668 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.280 and it snapped off right there. And I stepped down to take a look. 669 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.800 There's footprints around, massive footprints I count I remember counting five, six, 670 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.320 seven of them. There's grass around. I'm too stupid to know what 671 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.679 to do. Then I don't have a cast to get. I don't know 672 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:46.400 what this is. Earthie hot in my and I'm like, what am I 673 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:50.400 looking at? And she's up just up in the trail a little above me, 674 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.800 and she hears from the hill above us something goes and she says, 675 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:55.719 she said, you hear that. I go, what was that? Because 676 00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.840 I'm stepping around, she says, and it does it again. And she 677 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.760 said, something is making a noise. It sounds like whoa above us. 678 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.079 So I said, let's get out of here. So we take off, 679 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.159 we get out. I drag another guy back in there within days. It's 680 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:14.320 an investigator to leave anonymous, but I dragged him in there, and we 681 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.199 go up the hill. It's just above that, and there's two on the 682 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:21.960 hill in the foliage. Up there, there's two trees snapped off at about 683 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.000 eight nine feet in the air. We'll twisted snap. So this is stick 684 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.280 structures. There's two of them side by side, and we find a pile 685 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.079 of scat up there that's the size of a football. At the base of 686 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.159 these things, I think it's an observation post area where they were looking at 687 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.639 us. I think what happened to me with the tree be and pushed over 688 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:44.639 below, I just happened to be and wandered up to an observation area. 689 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.559 Because these things will have centrees and areas. They travels a lot, and 690 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.000 I think I was at that we saw the footprints. There were multitude of 691 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.320 footprints in this place. That tree that was pushed over next to me. 692 00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.519 The other investigator that was with me, estimated is an engineering guy. That 693 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.960 was eighteen hundred pounds in Now this thing being snapped at that high eight ten 694 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.840 inches acrosstree kind of thing that takes a lot of four. The reason we're 695 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.599 multiple footprints are I think it was more than one. So you had a 696 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:14.519 couple of alful males there and I'm yelling in the woods with my binoculars, 697 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.880 who's fooling with me? Throwing rocks and pebbles out, and they decaid, 698 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.840 We've had enough of this. They just snapped it. Reached up and grabbed 699 00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:22.880 this tree at eight nine feet above them and just twisted and snapped it over 700 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.920 it behind me. Scared to snot out of me, But I did hear 701 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.599 those words in my head as I ran, and I did not look back. 702 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.519 Mind speak, call it what you want. I remember those words clearly, 703 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.880 scared to echo. That was one mine speak. I had another one 704 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.039 in Iowa years later. Shorter story. I was with a group and weird 705 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.360 a dark area near a swamp, and I closed my eyes and I was 706 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:46.400 just talking, saying, I know, if you're there, let me know 707 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.719 you're there. And I got in my mind that meant the image other an 708 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:54.079 arch looked like it would have vegetation on it shaped like a Saint Louis arch, 709 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:58.920 and it was greenish yellow looming. I'd like if you had a glow 710 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.119 stick you lit up a glows it was like that color. Months later, 711 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.039 I was doing some research again. We had in the woods three thirty in 712 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.199 the morning with a buddy of mine. This as the sun was coming up 713 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.559 five thirty ish, we came over a hill and I saw an arch. 714 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.199 This is months later. I'd forgotten about the image in my mind. Here's 715 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:21.480 this arch that's fifteen twenty feet across at the base nine feet high, and 716 00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:25.039 it's a bunch of vegetation all twisted and tied together into an arch over a 717 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:30.199 trail. And the sun the way it's coming in is illuminating and lighting this 718 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.800 thing up, and you can see it through the forest. I look at 719 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.920 this, I said the guy with Steve. I've seen that thing. I 720 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.920 saw that thing before months ago. This is in September. That image was 721 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.280 in my mind back in April and May of that year, so four or 722 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.360 five months before I saw that same thing. Now I understand anybody's listening saying 723 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.639 it's a bunch of woo and all that. I'm just telling you what happened. 724 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:53.639 I didn't go out looking for this arch. I've forgotten about it. 725 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.079 I remember getting an image in my mind months before that. I don't know 726 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:00.880 what that means. I don't know how that can be. Those are two 727 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.519 incidents. One is an image that was conveyed to me my mind. The 728 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.360 other words, I don't know how that happens. Maybe those are the superpowers 729 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:13.079 you were referring to earlier, but it's part of the mystery. They say, 730 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:22.960 you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I don't want 731 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:55.239 to be a world happened, job, job, chard everything, joy for 732 00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:29.280 me, joy stay right to come in from the wayside. States still stays 733 00:48:34.239 --> 00:49:15.320 inside in st st state. Stills also basons unstate passist as asst US instant