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Hello there, and welcome back to
the Disconnected. I'm here with Paul rust

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Rider, comedian, actor, extraordinary
musician. Is probably one of the big

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things that I should throw in there
as well, because I love a lot

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of your music. So Paul,
thanks for thanks for coming on here today.

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Oh thank you so much, Tryan
for having me on your podcast.

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Much appreciate it. Thank you.
I mean, I've got so many things

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I want to talk about tonight.
But for the first thing, I currently

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live in Kansas City, Missouri,
and you grew up not too too far

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away from here, from what I
hear, not, yeah, exactly.

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My senior high school senior road trip
with me and three buddies, hitting the

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road and traveling what is it,
five and a half hours from Northwest Iowa,

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Iowa to Kansas City and we stayed
at a hotel. It got pretty

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wild. We stayed at a hotel
that we drove back the next day.

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But you know you, I love
Kansas City, my family who lives there,

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Oh my hitting up the Double Trouble
of worlds of fun and oceans of

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fun. When I was a kid, you could applied me away from that

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timber Wolf roller coaster. I loved
it. The big city of Kansas City

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compared to tinytown I guess, oh
truly though that was true. I mean,

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like to go to a Kansas City
Royals game in that stadium and see

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that dazzling blue shining above me,
and I mean nothing is better than I'm

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sure it's changed. I haven't been
there in probably like twenty plus years,

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but it had like nineteen eighty five
World Series winners emblazoned on the side.

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I was like, just to see
that year be treated so respectfully, I

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love it brought a tier to my
eye. Well, I mean one of

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the things I guess we could talk
about with that, how how do you

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make your way from tinytown, Iowa
to where you're at? Now that's a

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big change. Yeah, well it's
for us, this kookie love of this

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man. Oh, I wanted to
save this before I forget. I wanted

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to share this on the podcast and
say it on record, this observation I

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have. It's cool that you live
in Kansas City because he said that in

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the email and got me thinking,
isn't because of the salt mines they hold

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like the prints of movies not but
like Stanley Kubert that Warner Brothers does own,

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like the original cut of two thousand
and one, and out of respect

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they never show it, but I
think they could if they. I mean,

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it does exist in a Kansas City
salt mine. It is the heart

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and soul of physical media. This
is accurate and I mean funny enough.

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One of the big things my day
job I work for immigration actually and Kansas

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City is it's home of the Caves. They call it. It's the National

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Record Center literally in the side of
a mountain. Here underground, we have

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like twenty six million different immigrant files
that we keep here because it's the safest

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place to keep them. It's it's
wild how many things are archived underground in

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Missouri. That rules that you have
a part of that because I've seen there's

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not much about it online, Like
I don't know if it's like the CIA.

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They don't want to show anything that
people can look at and then sneak

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in and get. But it's so
funny because what I imagined it to be

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and what it looked like was vastly
different, Like I imagine it was going

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to be like caves, like the
holding a torch, and then when I

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went down there, I was like, oh, it's like at the end

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of cabin in the woods that like
Cybertronic all white, clear glass. It's

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cool. Yeh, it's wild.
The Immigration center here that's underground. There

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you'll go you're basically inside a building
and then you come around a corner and

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one of the walls is literally rock
like it juts out into our hallway.

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It's it's pretty crazy because they don't
want to mess with it. It's like,

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let's very cool. Well, congrats, I love that. Yeah,

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our archiving is a big part of
my life, through and through, it

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seems the bravo. But yeah,
escaping, escaping somewhere like Lamar's is not

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is not easy. And I came
from a small town kind of close to

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where you're at now. I actually
grew up in Barstow, California. Oh

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Barstow. Of course it's an awful
place. I hope nobody goes there ever.

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But yeah, leaving a town like
that is hard. How were you

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able to break free? Was it
difficult? Yeah? I must confess I

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was thinking about it before. I've
I never challenged myself to ever go somewhere

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new where I did it? No
somebody before. I grew up in Lamars

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and then I went to the University
of Iowa and I went with two buddies

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who I'm still buddies with, but
like guys I grew up with since kindergarten.

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And I remember the first day I
moved into my dorm room, I

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thought they hadn't moved in yet,
and I was like, my heart was

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racing. I was like, who
am I gonna be with now? Yeah?

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I found other friends at college,
but like it, that softened the

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blow and then after the University of
Iowa, was like, oh, I

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wanted to go to Chicago because of
Second City and the I was familiar going

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visit my sister there who went to
DePaul and I would go see fun comedy

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shows. So I thought, Oh, that's where to go. And then

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a lot of my friends I met
at the University of Iowa, three friends,

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they lived out in la and I'm
like, you don't know anybody in

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Chicago, Yount, you should come
out to Los Angeles. So I moved

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out there and I realized the and
then I really leaned on them, you

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know, stayed at their apartment until
I found a place, and they helped

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me, hooked me up with temp
jobs and stuff. But I did have

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one person angrily say to me,
like fifteen years ago, like you've never

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challenged yourself and never had to go
alone somewhere. I was like, it's

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true, it's true. Well,
I mean this tells a different story,

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like the power of networking. You
got to make friends, You got to

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make you know, find people that
you can rely on and trust. That's

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a big deal too, That's true. And you know, personally I hated

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all of them. It disgusted me
to even be around them, but it

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was just the fact that they were
present and helping me out. Then I

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was like, okay, okay,
I'll forgive that. I loathly just kiddy

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to break into everything. Just be
selfish, that's right. Friends first,

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friends forever of course. Of course, Well, and sadly that's the dark

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side of getting anywhere through some of
these businesses. You have to just simply

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know people sometimes. But I mean, making that first geographic step is kind

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of the hardest part for a lot
of people. Yeah, and then,

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uh, when I I could imagine
that being true and if I had not

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had that, and then yeah,
when I moved to Los Angeles, I

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started doing open mics with my friends
that I met at Iowa, Neil Campbell

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and Michael Cassidy. Neil Campbell who's
a very talented and writer performer in his

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own right, and Michael Cassidy also
talented. And then my band Don't Stop

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Her Will Die. We're still all
a creative crew together. Yeah, after

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we did open mics, it was
right when the UCB Theater had come to

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Los Angeles, and uh, it
was one of those I think if I

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had moved to LA like a year
later, I would have missed out on

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sort of a opening gap where they
were no false modesty. They were allowing

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some less talented folks and through the
door because they needed that calendar filled.

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And I did everything I could to
fill every square like a little rat.

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And then uh yeah, and so
I started performing there and then meeting friends

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and doing stuff with them, and
uh but yeah, it was the move.

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Probably was. I remember, just
to give an example of how it

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was different. When I first moved
to Los Angeles, I needed a key

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maid when I got my new apartment, like a double me and my friend

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Adam needed a key maid, and
I went to get a double made,

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and I was like, oh,
well, where do you get one made?

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I was like, of course,
Walmart. So I googled ball B

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and I was like, okay,
fifteen miles away from here, seems unusual,

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but sure. I got out of
my car and I drove like an

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hour and a half outside like the
La County line to a Walmart, and

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I'm like going up these weird escalators. It was like a retrofitted former mall,

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and then it turned into a Walbart
and I got up and I got

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the key changed, made the double
made, and then of course. Like

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as I'm driving back from Walmart to
my apartment, I passed through like hundreds

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of key stores. It's like every
quarter. So there was some shifts I

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had to make. Did you do
you live anywhere between? Did you bop

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around? Were you in Barstow and
then Kansas City or I well, kind

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of, I actually grew up the
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down. I was born in Pomona, so just outside of LA and then

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lived in Upland for a little while, moved to Barstow, and then I

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moved to Kansas City site unseen about
eleven years ago. Now, oh cool,

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that's awesome. Did do you still
have a family around a different areas?

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This is a funny story because Barstow, if you've driven through there probably

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I'm sure you have at least once. Anybody that's ever driven through Barstow knows

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it sucks. It looks like just
the worst, Like how does anybody live

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in this hell whole type of town? I mean that fully, like with

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everything in me. We moved here
and we're the only one that could leave,

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Like talking about how hard it is
to leave small towns, and somehow

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we've gotten not exaggerating here, both
of our families and like somewhere between ten

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and fifteen friends to all move to
Kansas City after us because we were the

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anchor. They would come and stay
with us, right six months, find

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their own place. And now we've
got our whole everybody here. That's great.

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Well, it's a fantastic place to
live. And I've not just saying

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this, I've said it before,
which is like the if I could live

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in the rolling green hills of Iowa
and the under the big blue, bright

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blue skies, I would if I
could also, you know, auditioned for

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parts in Drake and Josh. How
am I going to do that? Living

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in a beautiful part of the country. At least there's no controversies rounding anybody

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from Drake and Josh in the news
in the last three months. Yeah.

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Literally, My first speaking acting job
I booked was awed Drake and Josh,

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where I played a guy who at
a science fair he has a watermelon lamp

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with a working light bulb and they
say to this guy, Hey, hey,

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dude, you had a watermelon lamp
last year. You know what I

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you know what my character said,
but this one is seedless. Hey,

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all right, get that zag Card
being hired by monsters might be able to

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get health insurance this year. Nice
yes, by the grace of a monster.

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Oh gosh. And I mean around
that time, I imagine it probably

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wasn't quite as difficult to break through
as it is now. It's wild how

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much stuff has changed already in the
last eighteen years. But the Internet becoming

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so big and streaming of course without
a doubt. I remember right before YouTube,

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remember Google Video was trying to fight
it out or throw their elbows trying

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to You'd watch some stuff on it
and it'd be like, this might be

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the wave of the future. And
then YouTube obviously, and then yeah,

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it's interesting because or interesting to me. But when internet comedy like hit not

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that the talents were comparable, but
it reminded me of stories I would hear

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about, like after Nirvana hit it
big, anybody who had like a rag

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band, major labels were like signing
up like the Lonely Island hit it big,

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like they carved, like they're the
greats, they originated what this is.

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And then TBS, the Turner Broadcasting
System, is like, we're gonna

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do this super deluxe dot com and
it's like, y'all don't understand this is

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gonna go to you. Everybody's going
to YouTube. Yeah, and that lesson

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still is it be learned three times
o verright now people are like they're always

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just gonna go to the main shoot
or whatever. The you know, it's

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had the least resistance too. Yes, yes, exactly. So yeah,

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that like shook out. But it
also was great in terms of there was

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this thing a Channel one oh one
that was going on in Los Angeles,

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and Drew Carey was paying for the
bandwidth so people pre YouTube could put up

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their TV series. He was amazing. Yeah, and was he always been

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just this amazing person. I know, I know Drew carries the weight of

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all of our burdens. That's a
nice way. It was an easy pun.

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I love it too easy. You
have you have some very specific projects

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I would love to dive deep into
if that's okay. This is I've got

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a decent sized audience, but this
is probably only gonna be for like six

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of them. I personally grew up
in Marching Band, so I adored Scott

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and I am so jealous that you
were on the Aquabat Super Show. What

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the fuck? How was that?
Oh? That's great? I thought you

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were gonna mention too. I played
a sky loving character in an episode of

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Brooklyn nine nine, so I was
going to get there after aquabats. But

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aquabats are fucking legendary. Do insult
you? Of course, just alphabetically,

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aqua Bats comes before Brooklyn nine nights. Of course, obviously you always interview

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in alphabetical order. No, yeah, that was. It was such a

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thrill. It was like five days
in the Santa Clarita area, which is

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just like great Seami Valley, sort
of beautiful, big mountains and uh uh

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hanging and hanging out with like five
sweetie pies. Uh, I'm just saying

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that the amount of band members,
it's not if there's six. I don't

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mean to say there were five and
you're like, no, who's he?

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All of them were and uh it
was really fun because it was a lot

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of just thinking about it now.
Uh. It was a lot of homemade

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aesthetic stuff, which I really appreciated. And then obviously like their sense of

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humor and spirit was great. And
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was friends with them. They asked
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asked me and I said yes,
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and did it. It was fun
nice. I grew up listening to them,

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watching them. I growing up in
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up there. So I drive down
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places, squatch some of these big
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on a hell of a show.
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for four live. Yeah, and
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in like four months. I'm thinking, like maybe I could take my kids

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this time at rules. Oh my
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kids? If you don't mind me
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and about to be eight year old
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Well birthdays are exciting when you're eight. So hey, that's cool.

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Both of my kids are special needs, two autistic kids, and one

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of them has ADHD. And I
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struggled with OCD. Was that was
that something that was true? Yeah?

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like many things, it started off
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uh. And it wasn't like anything
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like that my mom wishes, my
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lists and stuff. And at first
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I was just like, oh,
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about efficiency and it's the opposite of
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are very open and open minded and
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got on some medication, which did
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going and talking to a counselor shaking
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having the space with the meds to
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gonna have a little clearance here to
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now been canceled. They took it
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encountered other people in my life who
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stuff. Wow, and they're like, oh my god, did you just

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sleep the whole time, I was
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like talks you up and then the
other timbit that you'll share when somebody finds

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out like, oh, you also
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uh kind of a bummer. How
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the two Columbine killers, the only
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they're like, what were these boys
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them up to do such a thing. It's like, oh, yikes,

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okay, well hopefully we'll send a
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even bring that up because it worked
for me. But I mean typical big

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form of they cancel it because of
the marketing. Probably I think so.

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I think so. Probably it was
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Yikes. No, I primarily,
like I've talked about this on here before,

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somebody that struggles with ADHD and is
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with as much as I can be. It's important to show people you can

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still do things when you've got stuff
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uh, it's it's nice to see, especially from somebody from a small town

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that was struggling with that that you
can have resources, you can have a

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supportive family, you can find your
way to to make it big and run

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your own Netflix show. I mean
that's that's no, that yeah, that's

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right on. Yeah, I appreciate
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but all people. That's yeah,
it's it's nice the aspect of you know,

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also in one's work. Yeah,
if that can be I don't want

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to say it's like hardesting the power
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like if it can be put to
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way like there's there's a power in
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and not to mention as a writer, I'm sure that the just the I

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don't know, the unique experience of
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characters, which, unfortunately for a
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struggle with some of those. But
other people that are seemingly just perfect don't

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ever have to deal with those.
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said po Buddy's nerfect. So I've
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yeah, well Tom Cruise would make
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up that episode. You brought up
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was working on that? Because man, that that show started to take off

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around when you were on it.
Yeah, it's funny with right when a

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series gets distributed and people are watching
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it ruled. Hey, my friend
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producer of the show. He hooked
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to do sco stuff. I got
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I got to wear a little pork
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filmed on a at a real high
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you're an ere area with like adolescents
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they could care about what anybody's It
really is like a nice refresher when you

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come to where you're like, this
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they're looking at you like you guys
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just an inconvenience for them. Basically. Yeah, yeah, but Andy,

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he rules man. He Andy Samberg
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show that Neil Campbell he's the other
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animated series that's about that's like a
comic riff on Indiana Jones style adventure National

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Treasurer style stories. And the highest
compliment I can give it is that every

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joke is different every episode. There's
not like two puns like they'll have one,

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you know, it's like it's very
impressive. And the little mcguffins in

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each episode they could be real deal
of mcguffins and a real deal Anyanna Joseph.

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They're not goofing around, They're like
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just like love that sort of stuff. It's a fun show to watch.

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Amazing amazing Netflix. I brought it
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a huge, huge influence surrounding the
industry of the last few years. But

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two things primarily that are a big
deal on your resume. I'd love to

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talk about Paul Rubens a little bit. Of course, you get to write

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a movie with him. How was
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a lot of us grew up with, grew up respecting, and then in

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the twenty tens decades after you probably
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you get to suddenly go to work
with this man like that that's got to

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be a dream come true. Yeah, it was a dream coach true.

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And you know you saying you get
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That truly was like the first two
like session writing sessions or meeting him.

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It was really just me looking at
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like that's pee wee who's talking,
But that's also Paul like I had,

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Like true, it took like eight
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into like a reality of But no, he was definitely the Yeah, like

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you said, I mean just meant
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was why I loved comedy. And
when he passed away, he you could

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tell anybody who was creative and cool. It was like David Bowie or Prince

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or something. It was like when
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I feel like a special place from
people who It's the really kind of cool

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alchemy between this misfit is speaking for
a misfit feeling I have, but the

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work is trans is so great,
it kind of transcends that. So like

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Grandma's you don't like listen to David
Bowie songs and like you know what,

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like it's really cool what they managed
to pull off. So I think losing

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that sort of creative spirit in the
world is great. There was nobody else

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like him. And I'm trying to
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memories that I could share with him, but I don't think I've ever shared

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this. I'll just do it here
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once at a party and he turned
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the mid to late eighties, and
Bob Dylan was there. He was star

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struck by Paul and was like,
I am a really big fan of yours

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and Paul was like, oh,
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about that. Bob Dylan doesn't give
it up for anybody, and he ate

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crossing roofs to tell people and shake
their hands. Anybody who's still living,

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I mean, anybody he would do
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he recognized this guy is the man. He's doing the thing that you know

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Bob Dylan did, which is just
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to the public. It's really cool
what he pulled off. Paul is he's

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one of those like I hate to
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but I mean, he is such
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of character no matter where he's at, and he's one of those that is

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accepting of everybody. And so because
of that, it feels like most people

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that grew up around that time have
at least one story where you're like,

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fuck, yeah, I really love
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and cool to do that, and
that's a lot of people aren't like that.

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There's so much like gate keeping bullshit
around that, Like Jim Henson is

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probably one of the only other ones
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he just wants everybody to be happy, like mister Rogers type of feeling exactly

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exactly, I think, you know. To that point, there is like

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a very pivotal moment in the first
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that decides everything, which is u
pee Wee. It's a small moment,

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but pee Weee comes out and he
starts up his sprinkler and he calls out

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to the neighbor like hey, I'm
gonna water my lawn now, and the

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neighbor goes. He smiles, he
loves it. He's like, okay,

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pee Wee, and he closes the
window and pee Wee turns up the sprinkler

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and it sprays all over the guy's
glass, and the movie makes it a

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point. They take time and the
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laughing. He loves it, And
I can't think of any other comic character

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who that's the choice is he does
something and everybody loves it. It's usually

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the like shaking the fists your fist
at Ernest, what it Earnest get us

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into. But uh, I love
her, I don't get me wrong,

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but uh but yeah, he he
found a way to make that really funny,

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and you gotta imagine it's some sort
of utopia for him, that that

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that was the idea that everybody could
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and everybody would find it interesting rather
than threatening or I man, I swear

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I could just gush over Paul for
like the next hour. But there's there's

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something about getting to work with somebody
like that that I'm insanely jealous, but

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also just I can't imagine how like
writers' rooms for the rest of your life

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will be affected by what you were
able to feel during that time. Yeah,

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it's true. And getting to sit
you know, side by side and

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writing with him. It's a Before
I met him, I tried writing a

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script that was like, oh,
I'm going to try to write a Peewee

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style script because I was I mean, any big adventures like my favorite movie,

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favorite comedy, and I was like
oh, And I tried to write

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it. I remember it was really
long and boring and not funny. And

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when I met Paul and we started
working together, I was like, Oh,

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this is great. I'm gonna find
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is. I discovered it's a It
helps when you're a genius, like like

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like, oh, that's what it
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do uh. But he it was
all about minimalism. And his whole thing

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was I don't when I write something, I don't want somebody on page twenty

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five ta have to think and go
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they're talking about. And so the
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dialogue was like spare. And so
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if I'm in a writer's room or
anything, but just reading a script or

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watching something in a TV movie and
I'm like, oh, this feels a

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I don't know if the word is
target or if that's the right when something's

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slow or something like my response here, sorry, you are fine speaking of

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brilliance and not to like worship you
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was. I was an early convert
to love. For anybody who's never seen

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it, three seasons on Netflix,
one of in my opinion, one of

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the great modern, like very indie
feeling comedies that you don't get the option

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to see through like modern sitcoms,
because it's something that had to have a

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chance taken on it. But one
of the things I wanted to lead into

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with this is it's clearly incredibly personal. It's you, your wife, There's

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so much put into it. How
just first of all, how do you

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get something like that out of you
and onto the screen for everybody when it

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means visibly so much to you.
I can't imagine behind the scenes, like

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how much that actually takes out of
you. Oh well, thank you Ran

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for your kind words. First of
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My was co created with my wife, Leslie Arfin, and myself and

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Judd Apatow. The three of us
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Leslie and I wrote a treatment for
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to those characters who decide to move
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they decide to And we pitched that
and Jud like the characters a lot and

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like the relationship, and he said, oh, I've had this idea for

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a long time of wanting to do
a TV show that's about one relationship.

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So he asked if we'd want to
work on that, take these characters and

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apply it to that. So then
the three of us started writing that and

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uh yeah, in terms of it
being personal, you know, it is

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uh well, uh you know for
starters. The I loved working on the

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show in the process. It was
great period. And the sharing personal parts

408
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.360
of oneself in order, you know, knowing that that's like, uh in

409
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:55.079
sort of what Judd makes that that
stuff when it when the choice is to

410
00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:06.760
be personal, it's best to be
as as as possible. It's funny.

411
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:14.679
They're really kind of exaggerated Leslie and
I. When we first started writing it,

412
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.719
jud was like, well, you
guys kind of are healthy, you

413
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.920
go to therapy, you talk about
this stuff. It's like they can't be

414
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:28.679
there. You should have them way
further before they're you know, have any

415
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:39.440
sort of insight with each other,
and so so we uh we did like

416
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:46.519
figure out like, oh, what's
kind of the most comically exaggerated versions of

417
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:53.719
each character. I and Leslie and
I were both very conscious that when making

418
00:35:53.760 --> 00:36:00.400
something about that that people would watch
and go, oh, you could see

419
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:08.159
connections to real life. It's really
easy to go or we never wanted to

420
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:24.559
go down the path of Gus.
My character writes a song and everybody goes

421
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:29.760
like, Gus is a great guy
and he wrote a great song and we

422
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:37.360
love him like that was an added
hump to like writing it. I'm to

423
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.199
answer your question of like writing personally, that was the hump that was hard

424
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:47.199
for me to get over, which
is if I just wrote a character who

425
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:52.800
was original and nothing about me,
I would give them more credit and I

426
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:59.119
would let them do nicer things and
kinder things, but like not wanting to

427
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:05.039
like be like this is about us
and this is why we're really great like

428
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.559
so, and I think the choices
that were made were all correct, But

429
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:15.159
watching it, I'm like, oh, yeah, this show goes harder on

430
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:21.639
ourselves and maybe we should maybe we
could have been easy. Now I'm really

431
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:27.000
happy with how it turned out.
But and just to what you were saying

432
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.960
about streaming and stuff, in the
similar vein of Lonely Island kicked down the

433
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:43.559
door so others may pass through.
Just something happened around twenty eleven or twelve

434
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:52.719
thirteen with Lena Dunham with girls like
taking the in the best way possible.

435
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:58.000
She rules, and if I was
her, I would be sitting back and

436
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:07.440
thinking all mfors got shows based on
what I put out there. I mean,

437
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.440
Louis had a precedent to it,
but I don't know, I really

438
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.559
feel like she laid out the blueprint
of how somebody does their point of view

439
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:23.960
comic show in this day and age
where it's not corny, and people did

440
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:32.440
different things with it stylistically and stuff. But it just so happened that streaming

441
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:38.800
Netflix that all was a cooking right
when she was giving everybody the recipe.

442
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:46.679
So you know, again not trying
no false modesty, but it's similar to

443
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:51.679
the UCB thing of like they need
encounter filled. With Netflix, it was

444
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:57.440
like, oh my god, they
just have deep archives that need to be

445
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:05.920
filled. And so that was But
yeah, now what twenty twenty four streaming

446
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:12.320
services people are outside of Netflix,
people are what would you say, scratching

447
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:16.639
their heads? Is that the best
way to put it. People are scratching

448
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.960
their heads. It's a good way
to put it. We'll go down that

449
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.760
path a little more in a minute. I'm sure good. Yeah, yeah,

450
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:29.920
yeah. Your show was one of
the first shows to unfortunately be like

451
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.440
it's tied to the whole Netflix does
three seasons and it's over sort of thing.

452
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.559
And I think it made sense with
Love. It felt like it felt

453
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.880
like a really nice bow on the
end of it. But I mean not

454
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.920
that Read Hastings is one of my
biggest viewers or anything. But how was

455
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.000
it working with Netflix? Did it
feel like a decent arena for you?

456
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:54.960
Oh? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were down for whatever

457
00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:01.480
we were stoked to do. And
I'm sure that had so much to do

458
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:10.639
with Judd the working relationship, But
even when he's not wasn't present, the

459
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:17.639
relationship was strong. I felt that
it was like, oh, I'm around

460
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:28.440
people who love movies and TV shows, which was like not always apparent in

461
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.519
other production companies and studios. You'd
be sitting there and be like, I

462
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:38.519
think you figured out a formula about
wedding crashers and you're trying to repeat this,

463
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.920
is that what this meeting is about, Like where it's like meeting with

464
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.960
Netflix, there's people who were just
like gaga about getting to get to do

465
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:55.320
this cool thing. The it's interesting
with the Yeah, in terms of the

466
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.599
process and stuff, because with what
you were saying about the three seasons,

467
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:06.960
I've heard Yeah that people I don't
know if this is true, but it

468
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:12.239
does sound like some kind of wheel
got wrapped around the axle where people who

469
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:20.800
were audiences don't want to get into
a show unless they know there's a bunch

470
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.519
of them and it finishes ye.
But streaming services don't want to green light

471
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:32.840
a show unless they know people are
watching. And so I do think those

472
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.800
two kind of different things that they
get into logger heads. It seems like

473
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.000
HBO has figured out still where it's
like putting a new episode out every Sunday

474
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.280
right before people go back and see
other human beings as a pretty smart way

475
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:52.960
like get people stoked for a thing. But I don't know if you're going

476
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.960
to bring this up. But it's
also you know, we got to do

477
00:41:55.000 --> 00:42:04.639
a lot of Blu Ray talk on
love and so we're talking about like a

478
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.599
character goes like, why would you
need these blue rays? Everything's on the

479
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.039
internet anyway, which we were like
took some perverse delight, but like ye

480
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:19.719
calling it. But then the next
season she finds like a Blockbuster card in

481
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.519
my wallet and she's like, oh, all the cool people I knew like

482
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.840
worked at Blockbuster, and it's true, like I remember think of that,

483
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.920
and but then Blockbuster was dead and
doing it on a streaming sery it just

484
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.800
seemed like rubbing it in. I
felt terrible. I always loved that.

485
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.400
And the there's I think there's one
of the scenes in an early season you

486
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.760
have a whole bunch like a giant
stack of DVDs or something. Yeah,

487
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:49.480
yes, this was a great one. Yes, the right the I'm getting

488
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:54.480
rid of them, I'm throwing them
out. But I don't know if I

489
00:42:54.199 --> 00:43:02.440
if you know this, but my
first after like some logging transcribing jobs for

490
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:13.239
reality TV shows, I hit the
jackpod of getting to log and transcribe raw

491
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:19.519
video footage for behind the scenes features
on DVDs. Nice and I love that

492
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.199
job. It was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's some real

493
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.320
Fly on the Wall stuff. Speaking
of Fly on the Wall and love,

494
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:30.760
just a cool little bit of Trivia, one of my friend's bands. His

495
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:36.000
song is actually in Love. There's
a Yeah, there's a scene where you

496
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:39.199
walk into a coffee shop, a
non district, nondescript coffee shop, and

497
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:43.000
it's his is the one playing in
the shop. Yeah, what's the band?

498
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:49.159
What's a Crusoe c r U s
o E. He's been on the

499
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.960
channel before too. Yeah. I
was helping Funny Enough with marketing for his

500
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.599
band back then, and he was
like, Hey, my band's gonna be

501
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:58.840
on this show Love that's coming out
on Netflix next month. We gotta hype

502
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.280
it up and like all the marketing
for it and everything nice. That's awesome.

503
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:09.800
Yeah. Our music music supervisor,
Lyle Workman, he was the guy

504
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:15.840
who would find all these great songs
and then also uh or and would write

505
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:22.599
the scores and stuff. And I
found out later that he was the guitarist

506
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.719
on this Frank Black album I loved
growing up, called Teenager of the Year.

507
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.880
And what happened was Frank Black just
recorded all of these songs they were

508
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.920
ready to be released. He met
Lyle and he was like, could you

509
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.280
play guitar just over this one song? Lyle? This isn't from Lyle.

510
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.280
This is like he had this own
legendary status and then I met him.

511
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.599
It was like and then Lyle played
like a little guitar one track and Frank

512
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:51.480
Black was like, could you play
guitar on all of them? And he

513
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:52.960
does and it sounds amazing, and
I was like, oh my god,

514
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:58.360
you're the dude. So that was
cool. Yeah, you know, talking

515
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.679
about working with people that loves physical
media and stuff, one of the big

516
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.039
ones that I left out, you
were an interesting not not super long or

517
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:13.159
big character, but Inglorious Bastards quite
obviously is a massive physical media advocate and

518
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.760
fan and has been for decades.
Like he was making waves with that obviously

519
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:21.960
in the early nineties. How was
that set, Like, I imagine you

520
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.119
weren't there for a super long time
to shoot that. Yeah, you know

521
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.079
what. The way the schedule worked
out was I would work a day and

522
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.480
I'd maybe get a few days off
and work another day. So yeah,

523
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.519
I got to be around. It
was great. I was like, I

524
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:45.800
mean, I still am movie mad, movie mad. I love movies,

525
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:53.679
and so I think it was twenty
seven on set, and so being a

526
00:45:53.760 --> 00:46:00.159
movie mad person in his late twenties
getting to be on set with the movie

527
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.199
mad director who loved movies. It
was a dream come true. It was

528
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:14.000
really awesome. And there's things it's
funny in retrospect working on other stuff.

529
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:22.679
The comparison, I go, oh
wow, that was special. It enhances

530
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:37.480
in its specialness. One thing that
I noticed he did that like jud did

531
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:42.760
and it really helps a performance.
So if you directors out there when you

532
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.400
hear this, I think Tarantino's talked
about it before too. He just stands

533
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:52.199
by the camera like right off to
the side and just like watches the actors

534
00:46:52.519 --> 00:47:01.039
and I've I did my best acting
with jud with him right out of my

535
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:09.280
purview, trying to act best for
Daddy, like whatever kind of sad emptiness

536
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.639
actors feel where they have to have
that void of like immediate like oh this

537
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.960
person is into this. I couldn't
understood it, And like, hey,

538
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.679
he's got like some of the best
acting, not just the ear he was

539
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:28.800
making movies, but all movies.
People, some actors with the biggest resumes

540
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.159
on Earth, their best performances are
in his movie. So but yeah,

541
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:37.159
oh man, he owns the New
Beverly So I go there and I get

542
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:43.679
to see movies there, and he
just purchased a vista in the neighborhood and

543
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:50.519
I went and saw the New Beverly. I just saw Muppets Take Manhattan and

544
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.559
that was really fun. Speaking of
Jim Henson, I've got a Muppet tattooed

545
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:59.760
on my arm right, that's all. I've got. Animal. Yeah,

546
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.119
Animal is my daughter's favorite. Nice. Yeah, I got her through the

547
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.039
door an animal watching over me.
I'll at the top there every time.

548
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:13.239
The rules, Animal Rules. I
got to go to the New Beverly in

549
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.079
twenty twenty two. I think it
was when I went back to La visit

550
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:21.800
Jeremy that set up this conversation as
Oh, Jeremy, man, the New

551
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.400
Beverly was. It's like a mecca
for people that love movies. It just

552
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.840
feels special. There's something about sitting
in there that's like, oh, like

553
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.719
this is this is it? Like
this is what we've been yearning for for

554
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:38.519
a long time. Oh yeah,
from top to bottom, like from outside

555
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:45.360
that the Marquee letters are changed every
day for the movie, which when I

556
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:50.840
was a kid, the specialness of
driving by our theater downtown and seeing the

557
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:57.119
Marquee letters changed for the new movie
was like tablets coming down with like the

558
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.760
tech Cobama. It was just like
what with Vegas coming to theater. This

559
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:07.559
is so thrilling and uh uh and
then you step through there and why my

560
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:13.840
god, it's the whitest array of
candy you've ever seen. And the popcorn

561
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:19.719
tastes so good. You realize what
what have I been putting in my mouth

562
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:24.480
at these AMC theaters? It's true. It's true. Also, as long

563
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.719
as I'm bitching about AMC, you
know what I've always wanted when I'm getting

564
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:35.880
sticky uh drinks and beverages, I
want to keep pressing the same digital screen

565
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:40.159
as every single humid in the theater. And oh I like it where I

566
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.280
go up to a coke machine and
it has every variety of coke except coke.

567
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.360
And I'll not to mention you spent
a lot for that ticket and for

568
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.559
each of those snacks. Yes,
and they're they're basic snacks that you had

569
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.880
you pulled off seven to eleven style
off I con session. Oh, I

570
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:06.480
could go odd and odd, but
hey, we don't have to bring one's

571
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:10.159
glory up by putting down other things. I can just say the new Beverly

572
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.679
is great. I don't have to, so let's stay on new bed.

573
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.239
What's some of the best double features
you've been able to catch? Oo right

574
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:23.760
on. I saw my first one
I ever went to in two thousand and

575
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:30.920
four before Quentin I think owned.
It was Fast Times at Ridgemond Eye and

576
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:38.559
Valley Girl, and that was cool
I saw. I don't think this was

577
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:44.679
a double feature because it was a
late night, midnight screening. Joe Dante

578
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:55.880
brought his the preview screening print of
Gremlins that had some scenes that were cut

579
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.519
out after the previews were like,
oh, you don't need this scene in

580
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:07.559
that scene, and you know,
it's interesting when you go to uh or

581
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:13.039
I have a hang up, like
when I'm at the New Beverly and I've

582
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:22.079
grown past this, but to see
somebody who like outwardly loves movies publicly sometimes

583
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.719
it gets me nervous. It's kind
of like quite easy. People don't like

584
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.679
this, like I'm conditioned to think, so even in a theater of movie

585
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.119
lovers, I'm still like, guys, let's not nerd out here too much.

586
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:44.840
Okay, there's there's so I remember
at the very beginning of Gremlins,

587
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:52.119
this like white print on black disclaimer
came up that was like you were watching

588
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.360
a preview, and you know it
had been there since it was put on

589
00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:00.719
there early nineteen eighty four where they
had this previous reading, and my heart

590
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:05.000
sang, oh my god. I
flipped out. I couldn't believe I was

591
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.360
getting to see this. And I
remember a guy in front of me in

592
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.480
the but I'm keeping it cool,
right, I'm like, I don't want

593
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.920
to be a nerd. I'm loving
this. And then this guy right in

594
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.840
front of me, he does kind
of this little like jump in his seat.

595
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.639
He's so happy about this this favor
too. And I remember thinking,

596
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.880
like, cheap it, cool man, what did blow it? That's the

597
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.000
rule of AMCs. You're allowed to
do it at the new BIV, I

598
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.360
don't. You're right, you're right
at an AC. Gotta keep you cool

599
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:37.199
about a new BEV. Yeah,
but saw shampoo there, I saw recently

600
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:43.519
saw Airplane top Secret double feature.
That's a big, amazing and the best.

601
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.880
And this will be the last New
Beverly memory I'll share with you.

602
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:52.840
I don't mean to bore you,
but the I think that, thank you,

603
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.360
I had the best New Beverly experience
I had. I think was the

604
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.400
last time I went. When I
went to Airplane and Top Secret, which

605
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:07.920
was I got to sit next to
a family that had brought like their twelve

606
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:12.400
and like fourteen year old sons,
and I don't think they'd ever seen airplane,

607
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:19.719
and they were like losing their shit, laughing so hard. And it

608
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.760
was the laugh that I forgot about
at home when you watch them and I've

609
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:30.880
seen them like two dozen times,
but like the laugh of you laugh because

610
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:35.760
it's just an immediate laugh and then
like five seconds past where you realize,

611
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:39.880
like they got me with that,
say stupid joke, and you start laughing

612
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.679
at yourself. That was the cool
experience the New Beverly, and I would

613
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.599
notice it with those kids. They
would like laugh and then a new scene

614
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.960
would start, but they'd still be
reflecting on that crazy joke about how the

615
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.119
boy ate his foot because he got
stuck in the fridge, you know.

616
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.960
But yes, it was great.
Are you a comedy fan of Airplane?

617
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.559
Top Secret? Make it good?
I mean, I have a heart,

618
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.480
right of course. I got really
lucky. I've been to the News BEV

619
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.320
once and it just so happened to
be that I got to go for a

620
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.440
double feature and it was John Waters
night. I got to see Polyester and

621
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:24.000
Serial mom and I because it was
him in that place. I oh he

622
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:28.000
was there. No, he was
not there, But it was just that

623
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:36.320
to watch people that will appreciate cinema
that's as out there as John Waters in

624
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:42.400
a cinematic mecca like the New bev
Is, it's a surreal experience to understand,

625
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.159
like, no, there's there's like
one hundred and fifty people that will

626
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.119
leave here happy following a John Waters
film, which is not always common.

627
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:58.880
The only John Waters movie where there's
walk ins not walk outs, people fighting

628
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:05.199
for the samel rama from Paul to
get autographed by the person they saw it

629
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:10.159
with, Yeah to to you know, dovetail to back to Paul Rubins.

630
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.639
He was friends with John Waters,
so he would tell me fun John Waters

631
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.199
stories and oh, you know,
John Waters came to visit a couple of

632
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.880
weekends ago and he would tell me, you know, about what they did

633
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:28.159
and what they talked about. But
he told me that after the Peewee movie,

634
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:34.239
we wrote, uh, John Waters
saw it and emailed Paul and he

635
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:39.199
you know, said he liked it
and compliments from people he respect or compliments

636
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:43.880
from friends. In terms of Paul. In John Waters case, it means

637
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:52.639
a lot but the particular compliment he
gave uh, I thought was really cool

638
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.960
and just says a lot about what
they're The two of their friendship was about.

639
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:04.519
He said, that was a great
movie. I you know, I

640
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:13.280
really liked it. I'm so happy
there was none of that ironic, hipster

641
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:19.079
bullshit comedy. I was like,
oh, cool, like and that's you

642
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:21.239
know, Paul and I thought we
didn't use that term, but we talked

643
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.800
about how. I was like,
it's okay if something gets corny, it's

644
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:28.360
funny to be corny, it's funny
to be genuine. We don't have to

645
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:31.760
like iron irony it up. And
the fact that John waters like Doug that

646
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.440
made me very happy. Genuine camp
is a good thing. Yes, exactly.

647
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.519
Uh, we don't. We don't
have a ton of time left.

648
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:44.840
And we barely talked about physical media. What's what's the story with you in

649
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.480
physical media? It seems like you're
as deep into this as some of us.

650
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.920
Oh yes, okay, Well what
did I first get bit by the

651
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:59.840
bug? My man Joe's movie House
and Lamar's Iowa, it's funny. Couple

652
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:05.719
days ago, we were driving somewhere. She said there was a long line

653
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:07.800
outside a coffee place right next to
this ice cream place. She like,

654
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.880
it's called Jenny's. I was like, wow, look at that long line

655
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.280
outside the coffee place, and she's
like, yeah, why do they hate

656
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:24.480
Jenny's. I was like, I
don't either or but yeah in Lamar's Iowa.

657
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:30.719
I remember when my we would rent
a VCR player, and then we

658
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:37.519
had to make some exchange where now
that we bought the VCR, we can

659
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:42.559
rent any movie, so we don't
need HBO anymore. So when we got

660
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:47.960
the VCR, we lost HBO.
I think the very first VHS tape I

661
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:54.960
remember watching was a Temple of Doom
on like Christmas morning. My family had

662
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:00.360
rented it and we watched it.
Blew my mind and it was cool too,

663
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.880
in the way like home video could
work, which was I woke up

664
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.679
that morning to my sister talking about
it with my dad because my sister had

665
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:13.119
seen it in theaters, but my
dad started watching it the night before on

666
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:17.079
tape. And truly, I've thought, like my parents, they love thrillers

667
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:22.599
and suspense movies. They would rent
them probably Wednesday Thursday night, right they

668
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:31.000
rent a video. A lot of
my understanding of like movie storytelling is hearing

669
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:39.159
my mom resummarize a movie that my
dad fell asleep to. It'll be like,

670
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:44.559
so she had to get the key
to order the lock in order.

671
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:46.159
Oh why was that locked? Because
he told her? But I'm like,

672
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:50.519
oh, okay, this story's shaped
up to be quite the pop boiler here.

673
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:59.079
But then yeah, then I remember
we would tape stuff off of HBO

674
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:04.239
free weekends, So I had Peewee's
Big Adventure like on tape, but with

675
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:10.599
like call this number to get HBO
free every year, every day, and

676
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:17.400
then that crew into just really I
don't know how you feel if you're in

677
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:25.280
the same age range, but no, outside of this kind of like twenty

678
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:30.920
year age range, nobody, A
lot of people didn't get that awesome like

679
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:37.960
from age birth. I don't know
until when you're a teenager til college,

680
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:45.079
until you're eighteen, where you have
so little power and control over your life

681
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:52.519
to be able to get this little
slice of control. And it's entertainment and

682
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:59.119
particularly you know, filmmakers talk about
our creators like, oh, I went

683
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:01.960
to the theater and I saw this
movie a dozen times and it study I

684
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:10.320
do think, like wow, this
peer group they had Batman nineteen eighty nine

685
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:17.760
on a tape and watched it one
hundred times and true just comforts of the

686
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:25.800
VHS tapes. The Back to the
Future Part two, Death becomes Her who

687
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:31.360
framed Roger Rabbit. These like Zamechas
VHS movies, but oh, they meant

688
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:35.320
everything to me. They were so
they were perfect, and like Tim Burton

689
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.159
movies, they're just like so perfect
for a kid, They're like really fun.

690
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:44.239
And then in high school, having
the freedom of going down and indie

691
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:50.719
cinema was we might not have had
the art house theaters we wanted, but

692
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.199
you just had to wait a year
and Reservoir Dogs would eventually get to your

693
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:59.599
video store and you get to watch
it. And a guy got in trouble

694
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.840
for red Reservoir Dogs to us.
He was like, you guys, blew

695
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.000
it. I told you when I
gave it to you you couldn't let somebody.

696
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:12.880
We're like, we're sorry. And
then yeah, once I got to

697
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:21.280
college in Iowa City, there was
that's re entertainment and they it was I

698
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.679
mean, you know people go to
like college where it's like the oh,

699
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:30.920
there's knowledge in those buildings and I
can get them. That's my ticket.

700
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:38.320
Not being cheeky like having that video
store where it had all these movies that

701
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:44.760
I've always wanted to see, but
they just couldn't touch the chain rental places

702
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:50.000
where I lived. Ye Oh,
I flipped out like I was ready,

703
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:57.280
Last House on the Left and Bad
Ronald and stuff. It was just like

704
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.760
it was so great. So once
I moved down to Los Angeles, that

705
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:07.800
stuff was dying. You could still
go to video stores, but then that's

706
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:13.400
yeah, when the love of DVDs
and Blu rays and beyond came in.

707
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.280
I actually grabbed some faves. If
I can show you, Hell, yeah,

708
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:22.840
please, because I know it's an
audio medium, but no, this

709
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:30.599
is video as well. Actually,
good thing I wasn't wearing my shirt that

710
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:32.599
has turds all over it. Oh
my god, I would have been so

711
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:40.440
embarrassed. I get it. This
is one of my favorite Blu rays.

712
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:49.920
It's this Grazing Cane where it includes
a special feature where this guy had heard

713
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.960
the movie got re edited after test
screenings to be something different and he was

714
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:57.960
like, well, I'm gonna re
edit it and put it online. And

715
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.480
Brian de Palmas saw it. He's
like, hey, I like that.

716
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:06.079
Can we put it on the DVD. It's so cool? And then I

717
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:10.559
have a four year consideration DVD for
the Kid and I, which is this

718
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:20.280
Wow Penelope Sphears movie from the early
aughts where it was funded by Tom Arnold's

719
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:29.079
neighbor who is like a bagillionaire,
and he wanted his neighbor to write his

720
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:34.800
son into like a true lifestyle movie
because his son loved true lies. So

721
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:39.480
Tom Arnold made this kind of like
meta movie where it's about him writing into

722
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:45.320
true lives movie for the Sun.
But it ends with him with some brief

723
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:49.719
cameos from Arnold Swarzenegger and Jamie Thee
Curtis where he walks into a room and

724
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.800
they're there. Do you know what
The first thing he says to him or

725
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:59.559
he whispers to himself when he sees
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jamie Thee Curtis from across

726
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:04.400
the room, he goes, he
goes, what is real? That's how

727
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:10.960
weird this movie is. I'm very
happy to have that. And then over

728
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:15.719
COVID when I was losing my mind, I started getting into these order brothers.

729
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:20.639
Uh what would you call them?
Library style kind of yeah, like

730
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:29.719
uh bulet kind of yes, yeah, back when And it's so cute because

731
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:33.199
when they came out, they thought
like professors were getting it or something.

732
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:38.400
These the backs have essays like I
remember the back of the Risky Business one

733
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:43.800
is like the character from Risky Business
is in the mold of the Halden COFFEELDS.

734
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:45.719
I'm like, what is this ship? This is crazy guy. I

735
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.400
love that it reads with an accent
too. You push a button that it

736
01:04:50.440 --> 01:05:00.719
does that. But I got this
shining one because I heard that when this

737
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:05.320
is in the movie theater, the
end credits had a blue color to the

738
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:10.400
font, and when it came out
on this video, everybody was like,

739
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:16.280
the blue font gets too stream.
You can't see it. So the next

740
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:20.840
one that came out in nineteen ninety
or whatever, that video they changed it

741
01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:27.400
to uh white or black. So
the only way you could see the blue,

742
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:30.440
even DVD blue rays. The only
way you could see it is it

743
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:35.840
was meant to be seen in theaters. Totally worth it. Blue colored font.

744
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:40.320
YEP, I'm gonna have to check
the four K because I believe they

745
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:42.800
went back to the original negative for
that. I wonder if it's back blue

746
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.559
again. Oh my god, I
bet it's blue again. And now I'm

747
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:49.679
an idiot. And then the lastly
I have, yeah, a Warner Brothers

748
01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:57.800
thing of a Dressed to Kill and
pre yeah that poster rules and then pre

749
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:05.599
DVDs. It's a release that puts
in like a minute of unedited footage so

750
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:12.440
people could see it on video.
Yeah, what about you? What?

751
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.440
What would you say was your first? Uh? I'm curious, like when

752
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:20.199
you walked into a video store,
what comes in your mind as a rental

753
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:24.920
on the shelf? Well, funny
enough, I've told the story in here

754
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.960
a few times, and I don't
think I've ever heard somebody tell a similar

755
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.880
story. But I feel like Lamar's
and growing up in Barstow kind of had

756
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.440
a similar experience. People couldn't.
People have never really been able to fathom,

757
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:36.960
Like you grew up in California,
you had access to everything, and

758
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:44.119
it's like Barstow is nothing, and
when you think about it, they don't

759
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.800
have anything around them for like forty
miles. So all we had was the

760
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.000
mainstream titles and the big one that
was for me. When I was eight

761
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:53.559
years old, my mom and dad
let me pick what I wanted to see

762
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:56.719
and my first big like this is
my first big boy movie. I picked

763
01:06:56.760 --> 01:07:00.280
Halloween. I was eight years old. We got to watching the movie.

764
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.000
My dad offered me five dollars to
go run out and touch our backyard fence,

765
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:09.800
and I said, screw you,
I'm going to bed. But yeah,

766
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:14.079
that was the first big thing,
and I for years I was just

767
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.719
the same thing as you, like, recycling some of these VHS tapes that

768
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.920
otherwise I don't have access to anything
else. If I don't watch this forty

769
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.199
three times over the next six months, I'm not watching anything. So of

770
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:28.719
course I'm gonna watch it forty three
times. So the big thing is kind

771
01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:30.079
of like you, we haven't even
been able to talk about music yet.

772
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.679
But I got into the music scene. I was in marching band. I

773
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:41.480
was playing bass, playing guitar and
hosting shows and doing like scheduling promoting for

774
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:43.800
some bands. I worked at a
radio station for a couple of years,

775
01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:46.480
and the bands started to become like
close friends, and we'd start talking,

776
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:50.039
like what inspired some of your songs? And they start telling me like it's

777
01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:54.159
these punk rock bands and like,
you've never seen evil dad, let's talk

778
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.760
about that. And I was like
nineteen years old and went, I've never

779
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.760
even heard of evil dead. Let's
go find out what that is. And

780
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:04.480
so I from that kind of like
you, I was about like entering college

781
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:09.000
age, and I'd have to go
to a bigger city to find i don't

782
01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:12.800
know, like Circuit City to find
their DVD section. I'd be like one

783
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.840
evil dead sir, and I'd buy
it, and I'd go home and be

784
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:19.279
liked, what Where's this been my
entire life? And I fell in love

785
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.880
with that shit, and so I
started eating up all this like B and

786
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:27.880
cult cinema that has been the past
of my life ever since then, it

787
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:32.479
feels like, yeah, oh dude, totally. In high school there was

788
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:40.359
a video update in Sioux's City that
somehow just got their hands on the most

789
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:46.760
far out stuff that was all like
B movies things, exploitation films. But

790
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:51.479
what was so thrilling about it was
they weren't formulaic, Like they didn't have

791
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:55.920
to mean I'm saying the obvious thing, but like that was like I had

792
01:08:55.960 --> 01:09:03.000
no idea movies could be transgressive or
flagger, and so was doubly mind blowing.

793
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:09.640
Like and to be able to like
pick something, roll the dice and

794
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:14.399
have it pay off with your group
of like it was the best You mentioned

795
01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:18.520
marching band, What do you play? I grew up, I played clarinet,

796
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:23.119
taught myself bassed clarinet, and then
because they're similar, I taught myself

797
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.840
how to play saxophone because I was
dying to be in the jazz band,

798
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.359
so I borrowed my teachers Barry sax
went home, and over a summer taught

799
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:34.560
myself how to play baritone saxophone.
I rode with that for a good four

800
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.479
or five years, and then rise
I was about to graduate, I picked

801
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:41.439
up a guitar, picked up a
bass. I bought a drum set on

802
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:45.119
Craigslist for like three hundred dollars.
I had a room full of instruments and

803
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:49.920
then sadly sold everything to be able
to move to Kansas City. And it

804
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:54.319
was. It was a huge part
of my life and it got me out

805
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:56.960
of California. It was one of
the big things. Like that room made

806
01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:00.439
me like fifteen hundred dollars so I
could, yeah to pack the new wife

807
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:08.520
up and we moved to Kansas City
together. Oh that's fantastic. What do

808
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:13.159
you do you cross any paths with
musicians or the music world in Kansas City?

809
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.359
Is it or is it a thriving
or not? I don't know.

810
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.920
It's it's okay. We're close to
Lawrence, Kansas, which has had a

811
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:24.239
bunch of like emo bands sprung out
of Lawrence. Oh yeah, he u's

812
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.720
out there. It was very similar
to Iowa City, where you could tell

813
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:31.880
a band is going to the next
city with college kids. Yeah, but

814
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.319
this, I interrupted, Sorry,
what were you saying? No, you're

815
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:38.840
You're fine. I was just a
random happenstance. One of the bands that

816
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:43.720
stayed with me that introduced me to
Evil Dead in California. I come out

817
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:46.239
here years later, literally, like
I don't know, seven or eight years

818
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.920
later, had no but I didn't
know anybody here. I was looking for

819
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:55.279
a new job because my wife was
pregnant, and I went to sell insurance

820
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:58.640
to a plumbing company and the guys
like, I don't want your insurance,

821
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:00.399
but you're a good salesman. You
want to come, like, see if

822
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:01.760
you want to work for us.
So I rode with him for a day

823
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.520
and I was with him for like
six hours, and we're going back to

824
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:08.479
the shop and he goes, just, I like you, what do you

825
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:10.840
do for fun? I'm like,
well, I'm super into music. I

826
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.720
love music. He goes, oh, my son's in a band. What

827
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.119
kind of music. Do you like
The band that I love that stayed with

828
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.840
me in California that I have tattooed
on my leg. His son was the

829
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:24.239
guitarist, and I had no idea
he was from here, and I just

830
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:29.039
ended up in his van sixteen hundred
miles away from home. That rules.

831
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:32.640
Yeah, I love it. It
was the weirdest show brand. It's it's

832
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.680
there. I don't think they're they're
an active band anymore, but they're an

833
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:41.199
active punk band that was from like
ten thousand two all the way up to

834
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:45.119
like twenty sixteen. Yeah, that's
awesome. I love that. You know,

835
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:56.039
you've seen punk band evil Dead.
Like the secret handshake that underground music

836
01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:00.920
has with underground movies is great.
That's awesome and and a lot of times,

837
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.000
yeah, as somebody who likes a
band you like, well also like

838
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:09.439
a movie they think you'll like,
and and so it goes a lot of

839
01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:13.960
those they end up inspiring each other
and the way that those those creatives thrive

840
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:18.319
from each other. There's so much
that I've discovered because of those those webs.

841
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:23.319
You just follow a thread that somebody
brings up, and suddenly a movie

842
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:27.159
you find is your next favorite movie. For years. Yeah. I mean

843
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:33.600
there's very few bands that kind of
everybody can. You can play a song

844
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:36.840
and everybody's like, oh, I
like this song, I like this band.

845
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:42.239
And truly I can only think of
like maybe three, but one of

846
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:47.239
them is like a horror influenced funk
band, The Misfits. Everybody loves the

847
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.520
Misfits like truly, I've never been
anybody who's like they suck, Like yeah,

848
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:58.119
they make people really happy and it
is some combination of that music and

849
01:12:58.199 --> 01:13:04.199
what they're thinking about. How you'd
be some Halloween version of Scrooge if you

850
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:09.840
didn't like that well, And to
bring it full circle as we end this

851
01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:14.800
thing, I feel like that community
it really kind of grasps a lot of

852
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.000
the same things we were talking about
with Paul Rubens and Henson, Like it's

853
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.880
one of the most inclusive we will
care about each other communities ever, Like

854
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.520
the DIY punk scene is classic.
You know, if you fall down and

855
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:29.399
the pit will help you back up. If you're needing a dollar to get

856
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:31.920
on, the bus will pay for
it. Like it's one of those everybody

857
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:35.359
just loves you and will happily take
you in no matter what. I know,

858
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:40.880
I was talking to somebody a couple
of months ago at like a just

859
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:44.439
a backyard party. We're hanging out, we're talking, and I was like

860
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:48.039
talking about how the two of us
it could like bring a tear to our

861
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:55.920
eye thinking about how the punk scene
was like open to all. So the

862
01:13:56.079 --> 01:14:02.760
sweetest thing on earth, which is
you would see like a uh, like

863
01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:15.279
a young gay or lesbian be friends
with a goth and they're friends with hardcore

864
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:20.000
kids. It's just like because it
really doesn't matter. It's just sort of

865
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:27.319
like we've got this corner. You
know, we're on the outside, and

866
01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:31.159
so yeah, whatever community that comes
together around it, it's it's the best.

867
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:38.000
But similar with a you know,
horror fans, it's so funny with

868
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:43.760
a bunch of little sweeties they are
yep, it's like raising our kids.

869
01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:45.800
We uh, it's it's a kind
of a scary time for a lot of

870
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.199
people in some of these towns and
stuff, and so we're raising our kids

871
01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:51.319
with special needs and we have to
have that talk. You know, you

872
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:55.720
come home and they've had like active
shooter drills or something. We're like,

873
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:59.840
hey, if something ever happens,
find like the meanest looking person with piercings

874
01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:02.479
all over their face with the craziest
hair. That person will help you.

875
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:10.000
Oh that's true. That's a look
for the helpers. Look for the the

876
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:14.319
tattooed helpers. There's mister Rogers again. Love it. Yes, yes,

877
01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:18.920
yes, Paul, this has been
amazing. I feel like you're a new

878
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.199
friend. I could just talk to
the next four Ryan, same Man,

879
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:28.520
same Sorry we can't talk further,
but if you ever want to have me

880
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.119
come back again, I would love
them. There's so much more to that

881
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:36.600
we can chat about. You know. The one thing I'd be remiss not

882
01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:45.079
to share with physical media is,
Dude, those commentaries. They are God's

883
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.720
gift. Like dogs or cats.
I'm like, who's handed we shake to

884
01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:56.560
get audio commentaries? They are so
great and just giving shout outs to the

885
01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:02.159
ones I love. There's a David
Fincher Robert Town commentary for Chinatown that's amazing.

886
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.680
I think my first commentary I ever
heard is one of my favorites.

887
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:12.039
It's Alexander Paints for Election. Wow. I really love that one. And

888
01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:17.319
the one that recently I listened to
and it blew my mind was Steven Soderberg

889
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:25.079
does a commentary with Mike Nichols for
Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf yep, and

890
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:29.720
man, they should just do that
with all commentaries. Just have somebody who's

891
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:34.439
a fan talking to the filmmaker,
because the filmmaker when they're alone, they

892
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:39.760
they're too bashful maybe or something to
share it. But if you have somebody

893
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:43.800
just like straight up kissing your ass
and going, hey, genius, why

894
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.239
did you make that choice? Well? I did, it gets them to

895
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:51.279
open up. Same. I've noticed
if a filmmaker does a European interview,

896
01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:57.000
like not in America. In America, they'll be like cage and not answer

897
01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:00.640
questions straight. But in Europe either
because they want to seem smart or they're

898
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:06.760
just choosing their words carefully so they're
not like misunderstood. The Coen Brothers won't

899
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:13.680
open up in a French interview.
It's the best. So as we go,

900
01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:15.560
what's the what's the deal with physical
media for Netflix stuff? Are we

901
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:18.920
ever going to be able to get
love? You think, dude? Maybe

902
01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:23.159
it was because I knew we were
going to be doing the podcast today.

903
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:29.079
I had a true just chill,
a shutter go through my spine of like,

904
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:34.119
I don't think it'll ever go on
physical media. So it's it's owned

905
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:44.039
by Netflix, so it's you know, it's there and hopefully it will always

906
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:49.119
be there. Knock on wood.
But yeah, I actually was the like

907
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:54.560
this morning, I was like,
should I contact jud to see if he

908
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:58.039
has the discs so I can walk. I mean, it's the same with

909
01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:01.359
like some of my friends made some
really brilliant like funnier die videos that just

910
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:05.680
kind of got lost to the sands
of the internet when one company buys out

911
01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:14.640
the other. So, man,
I would love it because there if there

912
01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:24.600
was mainly because our scripts were always
overwritten with more scenes than we knew we

913
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:29.560
could fit in, and there was
we had six days instead of five to

914
01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:32.600
shoot stuff, so we would shoot
stuff wow it hopes to see if it

915
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:38.319
could just if it worked, it
would get in. And a lot of

916
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:43.279
times those were like really it was
nice to have time to explore. But

917
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:49.800
when we went from like first from
the you know, we'd usually lose like

918
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:56.760
ten minutes of scenes per episode that
I would like. And with a show

919
01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:03.560
that's kind of like one of those
more slice of life stuff that unfortunately we'll

920
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.359
have to go sometimes in terms of
runtime, but I'll have the things that

921
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:11.880
are most interesting in terms of character
So that would be cool if there was

922
01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.720
ever a physical release having like people
get to see those scenes. But uh,

923
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:23.760
why can't they do deleted scenes on
everything streaming? Hey if I could

924
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:29.439
click on Punky Brewster season two and
get to see the deleted scenes from episode

925
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:32.600
four whenever I wanted, Oh,
I Adrea, I can imagine clicking on

926
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:36.640
Love and being like season three episode
three. Let's listen to Paul's commentary on

927
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.760
this and talk about the making of
specific episode. Why not they should live

928
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:46.359
there. I was part of that
cool, little, funky weird season four

929
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:53.000
of Arrested development where they the original
plan was that they could be sequenced out

930
01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:56.880
of order and you'd be able to
kind of make sense of the story.

931
01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:03.920
And then they realized due to network
stuff, they weren't able to show them

932
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:09.359
out of order, so they had
to show them. But that was like

933
01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:17.680
a true Oh there's a new world
of streaming and somebody's trying to figure out

934
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:23.239
how to make the most of it. Yeah, do they do that?

935
01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:26.800
Now? Are their little? I
mean this is a physical media shaw,

936
01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:30.039
who cares what they do? I
just didn't know if the stuff out of

937
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:35.239
secrets now and in very small ways, like there was a You ever watch

938
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:40.760
any Cynthia Rothrock movies like old martial
arts movies. Oh I wish I did

939
01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:44.960
so. Uh. There is a
company out of the UK named Eureka that

940
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:49.039
put out a Blu ray release last
year that because of playing stuff in Hong

941
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:53.239
Kong and then taking it to mainland
China and then taking it to the US

942
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:57.159
and the UK, these movies have
like four cuts because some of them they

943
01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:59.439
want them longer, some of them
they want them shorter so they can play

944
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:02.000
more movies of them want to edit
for TV whatever. So there's like four

945
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:05.359
or five cuts of this movie.
And this company in Eureka, they worked

946
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:08.720
on the disk in a way to
make it. If you just put in

947
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:12.800
the disc and press play, it
chooses a random ending for you to come

948
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.680
up. Like the old like how
they would show Clue in the theater,

949
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:17.560
you don't know what ending you're going
to get, and this this Blu Ray

950
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:20.479
disc does the same. You can
go to the menu and choose which ones

951
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:24.039
you can see them all, but
you can just I'm gonna have a good

952
01:21:24.119 --> 01:21:26.920
night, put it in and play
the loto and see which one I get.

953
01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:32.119
That rules. I mean, I
could list a hundred of the exclusive

954
01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:39.680
charms that like physical media offers that
no other thing does. But one that

955
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:45.279
I've noticed with the when you were
saying alternate cuts, I'll watch horror movies

956
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:49.279
where they get European scenes and they
add them end to the thing. So

957
01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:57.920
I saw it with The Mutilator and
From Beyond and The Prowler. All three

958
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:02.880
of these movies had this thing happen
where during the most intense part of the

959
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:08.399
kill is also the point where they
have to go to the other stuff that

960
01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:12.520
got like cut out, yep and
put in and it's okay, it just

961
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:16.399
it looks a little different the color
or whatever. So in the same way

962
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:20.520
that people I know who saw like
slasher movies the TV edited versions are like,

963
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:27.399
yeah, it's just as scary to
use weird slow mo or weird dialogue

964
01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.800
boom switching around to get around violence. It sounds like a weird like feeling.

965
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:34.159
Yeah, I love it. Now
when I watch those alternate cuts,

966
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:40.199
when the color starts to change,
I'm like, oh boy, we got

967
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:43.960
an uncut st here. What's gonna
go down? It's thrilling, Like it's

968
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:46.880
just one of those small little perks
that can only come from this world.

969
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:49.840
Well, I mean you said there's
one hundred, so that that will have

970
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:53.520
to be the next conversation. We'll
get you back and we'll list one hundred

971
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:57.359
reasons to love physical media. Perhaps
that's great. Yes, we'll do like

972
01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.720
ninety nine bottles of beer in the
wall, but mos of why we love

973
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:05.199
this? Hell? Yeah, well, I know we both got to go

974
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:09.079
be Dad's. So thanks for hanging
out tonight. This has been Thank you,

975
01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:13.720
Ryan, remarkable. I'm thrilled to
have you on here. Now when

976
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:17.159
this ends, will you still be
here? So I can, you know,

977
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:20.800
officially say goodbye okay, because I
don't want it to be like,

978
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:25.880
okay, great being on the show
and then it goes black. I'm like

979
01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:29.880
what, So, yes, thank
you for having me on the show.

980
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.000
I hope people enjoyed it, and
yeah, I'd love to come back again

981
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:39.479
sometime. Thank you for listening to
the Disconnected podcast. There's one big thing

982
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:41.720
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983
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