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Oh, we got a great one
for you today from Kenny Bunk, Maine.

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We sit down with a guy named
Jeff Park. Jeff was a professional

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soccer player for MLS, but he
is the ultimate underdog and his grit and

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determination will inspire you. But first
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Maine in the village of Webster.
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Dan's dad was the offensive coordinator for
the Buffalo Bills back in the Super Bowl

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years. That's right, and now
Dan is the owner of Cobblestone on Maine.

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It's an eighteen hundreds cobblestone church that
has been thoughtfully renovated and repurposed into

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a charming, one of a kind
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there. The menu items are fantastic
and they're all fresh and locally sourced,

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really creative appetizers, great salads and
handhelds, and a full selection of delicious

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entrees, all in an inviting farm
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Hello and welcome, Thanks for getting
your pod on. Thanks for telling a

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friend. That's how we spread the
word about the Pirate Ship. Today from

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Kenny Bunk, Maine, where I
didn't expect to do a podcast. Uh.

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It is my younger brother's birthday and
every year he has a huge Labor

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Day party. It's called moran Stock. Even went and got a fluorescent sign

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that I put on my social media
that you can see for moran Stock.

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And then it's just this big debauchery
party with an eight piece band, and

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he's got some really interesting friends,
including Jeff Park, who is here.

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But you didn't spend the night.
No, you didn't camp out, you

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missed out. I got a I
got a young one. That's h not

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the easiest day. Things go a
little bit sideways. Got you holds the

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youngest six six Okay, yeah,
so SHOT's bit by a bug. Good

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luck. So here, Now this
is gonna be interesting because Jeff, you

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were a professional soccer player in Seattle. I was. I was drafted by

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They were called the Metro Stars at
the time, the Metro Stars. Then

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they changed over to the Red Bulls
and then oh in New York. Yeah

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okay, yeah, wow, she's
there. I was there for about five

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years. How did it draw when
you were playing down there? So we

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were in Giant we were in Giant
State, were playing in Meteeah, well

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the old before the MetLife. And
I mean we got like twenty five thousand

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yeah if you're lucky, Yeah,
but you're in an eighty thousand I know,

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over seventy thousand person stadium minute.
Why do you think like when it

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comes to that level? Because four
years now, my boys coming up and

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my oldest is twenty two and his
brothers twenty one, and I'm a thirteen

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year old. They played soccer.
There's been a real push for youth to

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place soccer in this country, and
yet it still doesn't really catch on.

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And we see celebrities like I live
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York. The Glacier families from there. The Glaciers own the Tampa Bay Bucks,

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but they also owned Manchester United.
So there's a real interest from Americans

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in European football, but yet we
don't. It doesn't seem to play at

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that level as much. Yeah,
I mean, I think it's a combo

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of a bunch of things. I
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know, most of our parents didn't
play the sport in my generation. I'm

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forty one, so yeah, they
didn't. I'm fifty two. My parents

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didn't know, they didn't play or
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Pelee came in, you know,
he did his you know us tour thing

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right with the Cosmos and they were
able to draw like eighty thousand people somewhere.

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Yeah, you know, and so
you didn't have your parents pushing you

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to play soccer. They were,
you know, pushing you to play football,

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right, Baseball, basketball, the
sports they knew. Yeah, and

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so you didn't have that push and
that knowledge from that generation. So I

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mean when you're looking at like spreading
and pushing the sport, there wasn't anybody

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that was able to do that at
the time and very few. So it

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was what was the attraction then for
you? As you say your parents didn't

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play You're a guy in his early
forties. Now, well, I wanted

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to play football, but my dad
played football, and he was like,

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you're not playing football at seven o'clock
at night. You know, if you

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got school the next morning, you're
not playing football. You wanted me to

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stick with my academics, Yeah,
you know, do alright with that and

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then I can play baseball or basketball. Where did you grow up? Right

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outside Philly in Downingtown? Okay,
so it's about forty minutes west of Philadelphia.

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Yeah, so at that time it
was that the Horse Country. Lancaster's

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about forty minutes thirty five forty minutes
another west of US. Okay, So

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they that's where all like the Mennonites, and yeah, they had great food.

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They do. They're good people.
We still see them up in the

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finger Lakes. Yeah. Yeah,
the great furniture. Yeah, yeah,

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great builders and we I've worked with
a couple of them, and like the

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you know, they're good people and
they you know, they were a little

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bit west of us. So our
town was small at the time, and

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then literally like twelve years later,
our town was like quadrupled. Yeah,

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and because great school district really good
in sports. At that time when I

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was going through the high school,
we had a great crop of like four

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generations of of of kids. Okay, so all of our coaches I didn't

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know at the time, but all
of our coaches that were you know,

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pushing us at the at that level
of the junior high, the high school

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and all that knew we you know, this is the time to push and

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you know, make a name for
soccer in this area. Yeah. So

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that's I mean, did you win
like like where we are, we have

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sectionals and then states and that sort
of thing. Yeah, so I uh,

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you know, I got into it
when I was you know, seventy

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eight, played in the wreck ball
and all that got started getting really good

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at it and then asked for junior
high. We pushed our team like seventh,

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eighth, ninth, tenth grade years
were really good. So they knew

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if they pushed us, you know, once we got to high school,

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you know, are that four or
five years, we're gonna be pretty good.

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Yeah. So we won back to
back States. Wow, yeah,

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we were, we were, we
were good, and then we should have

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won it my sophomore year. Pulled
that mic just a little closer, you

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can just pull the whole thing,
yeah towards you. We we uh,

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we won States back to back,
but we you know, should have won

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it the year before that too,
so we should have had three. So

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did you go on a scholarship then
the college I got? So it's my

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grade sucked. I wasn't good.
Wasn't good? Yeah, crazy, crazy

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story. So I went to ended
up going to Drexel. My coach,

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my head coach for my high school
team, played for the coach at Drexel.

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Okay, so he's like, look, you gotta take this kid.

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He's not so you went as a
walk on. No I got. I

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ended up getting a scholarship. I
went, They gave me a scholarship.

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I only went to like two or
three visits. I played for FC Dalco

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the best club in arguably in the
country at the time, and I got

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overlooked. My grades weren't good.
I went to drect so they offered me

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a full ride. I was like, I don't have any options, but

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I'll take it. Yeah, so
you know, they're like, look,

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you gotta get your grades up.
So crazy story was, I got to

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the end of the year. I
negotiated with my English teacher the semester before.

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I was like, look, you
got where are you currently when you

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say high school school? Now you're
negotiating at trying to get into college,

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right, I need a certain GPA. Yeah, it's like a two five

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or something like that. I was
at at the time. I knew I

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had to like basically get a's and
b's. The rest of the school year.

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Yeah. So I go like mid
term like decembrish, I'm like,

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listen, miss Purdy, that was
her name. If I get high as

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the next two semesters, will you
raise that B that I got in the

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second semester so that I got to
get into college. And the lady was

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like, you know, I'll give
you a chance. Yeah, So I

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go. I ended up getting like
ninety three ninety four the next two terms,

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and I go back. I get
my grades at the end of the

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year and I'm like, hoh shit, like I'm below the two the two

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five. If I don't get a
two five with my SAT but that wasn't

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that high, I'm not going to
college. So I call her. I

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go in after the I get my
final grades and I go into like the

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administrative office at my high school and
downtown. I'm like, I gotta call

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this teacher. You know, I
was supposed to she was supposed to change

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my my past my in like,
who are you saying this too? At

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the time, I'm saying to the
administrator like whoever, like was sitting at

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the what are you just looking at
me like you're crazy? So I said,

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you know, I needed get in
hold of her, can you call

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her on the phone, Like,
basically, my scholarship my college depends on

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her changing that B to an A. Yeah. So I get in touch

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with her. She's like, yeah, I did make that deal with the

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Jeff all right. So I give
it to the administrator right that was sitting

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at the desk, and she's like, yeah, change it to an A.

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She changes it. My grade from
like A two is like a two

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three nine went to a two five
perfect. And I was in I was

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in college, And let me ask
you something, because I was much the

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same way all the and my parents
were teachers, right, But you have

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kids, now, if you had
just applied yourself, of course, you

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know what I'm saying, Like you
got nineties, you were capable, and

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does that frustrate you, Like with
your own kids, would you be harder

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on them because of that knowing they
have that ability? Like that was always

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my thing too, is that most
of the time if I showed up,

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you know, it depended Like I
ran track in the spring, and for

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whatever reason, every spring my grades
went up. I don't know if that

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was the running was great with like
add and I had something, but I

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was always probably low eighties. If
I showed up low nineties if I even

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just tried a little bit, you
know what I mean, and that that

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kind of thing. It's almost like
because when I graduated high school, my

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father said to me, I don't
know whether to shake your hand or kick

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your ass. That's exactly what he
said. Dumber than you got scholarships and

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stuff. And I'm looking at a
guy who clearly you're a smart guy,

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athletic guy. You did it and
you negotiated. I mean that's even like

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that's even a skill. That's a
better skill. Well, yeah, I

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had to figure something out because I
was like, look, if I don't

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get it, I'm done. Like, I don't know, I'm not going

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to community school. Yeah, I
mean I know I have the athleticism to

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play at the next level. Yeah, but how do I get myself to

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be able to be eligible for that? What a great thing, though,

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to learn to to have that drive, you know, if there's a goal

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to be able to reach that and
you did it, Well, that's what

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sports teaches you. I mean,
it's yeah, you got a common goal

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obviously amongst the team, and then
you got your individual goal of your own

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performance and what you need to do
to prepare yourself, and you know,

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unfortunately I didn't learn the self performance
part until I was like in my mid

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twenties. What did your parents do? My dad was self employed. He

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did a lot of landscaping contracting,
and then he kind of found his niche

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later in life with like, you
know, basically subbing up with one of

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the biggest companies in the country that
owns water businesses throughout the you know,

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all the states. So he kind
of got tied up with that, and

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that's what made him because I mean
when I was little, I mean it

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was it was tough. You know, We've got a self employed working all

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the time and that's seasonal, ye
that stuff. And he was, I

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mean, he's arguably the hardest working
guy I've ever met. Never stops.

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It's just that you need good luck
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Mom was around. She ended up
doing her own thing. My parents split

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when I was twelve, which that
was that was arguably one of the biggest

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obstacles in my whole life, you
know, I mean I I kind of

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went into the you know, not
the dark period because as a kid you

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don't even know it like that.
You act out, you do stuff,

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you start drinking and yeah, you
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That derailed me for a while.
But I always had that thing in

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me that I knew, you know, I could turn it on at any

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time, and I did it at
the right times. I mean obviously,

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like you know, I had friends
that all played sports with me, and

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they all kind of fell by the
wayside. Still my best buds, Like

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we hung out all the time.
It's just that they chose to party and

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hang out with the girls and stuff. I just chose that I could try

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to find that balance and I ended
up finding it. But you know,

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it always hurt my grades because I
ended up going to summer school to you

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know, my junior year. I
was like, shit, I gotta bring

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all my grades up now. Yeah. But even that self awareness, I

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think it's really an important thing at
a young age, right, what are

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you junior or sixteen? Yeah,
And at that time, I had a

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lot of anger towards my dad and
everything because the divorce and what was going

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on with the family, and I
kind of, you know, I leaned

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on myself. I didn't really you
know, I had a relationship with him,

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but I didn't have that that he
was my guide to hard work.

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He wasn't my guide to like,
what's the blueprint to success? Would you?

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I always use this term, I
said at once, and my mother

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got really offended, But I go, you're almost like a feral child.

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Yeah, you know what I mean, you kind of figured it out on

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your own. And I don't know
that that's necessarily a bad thing. I

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think like parents today try to do. I mean, there's way right in

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the term helicopter parent. We hear
it. You're also coaching now you must

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witness some of that, you know
with parents in sports. Yeah, a

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little bit, but that's uh,
I think that's amazing. Student. You

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get to Drexel, yep, and
you do all four years. I did

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four years. I got to my
fourth year and it's a five year program

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there. Okay, so I figured
out. I was like, look,

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I gotta just get by, you
know, I'll load my schedule and then

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I'll pick and choose because at that
time, you were I don't know if

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they still can you can go through
the semester. That semester and you can

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go halfway through and drop classes that
you're doing bad in. Yeah. So

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I was like, I'm gonna load
up and like that whatever I did,

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Yeah, whatever I do good in
I keep, whatever I do bad,

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I drop, And then you had
to keep a certain credit load, right,

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and plus now you're a student athlete, which is like a full time

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job. Yeah. So I ended
up doing real well in the beginning,

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and you know, I had like
a three zero or something like that,

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and then it started spot like going
down and I'm like, all right,

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I need to just keep it at
a certain level so that you know,

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I'm eligible for that season. So
I there was multiple times where I think

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it was like two years my sophomore
in junior year, my coach Lou Mill

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came out to me. It was
like, look, Jeff, I gotta

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get a tutor for you the whole
time, or you know, you need

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a man up and be a man
and figure out how to do this this

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balance of school, partying and and
soccer. And I'm like, f off

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man, like I got this,
Like I'm gonna you know, now you're

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coming to me now when I'm not
doing good. But you know, where

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were you when I was, like, you know, starting every game basically

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as a freshman, running the show, helping the team win games. You

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were started right out of the game. Yeah, alright out of the gate.

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I was a center back in high
school and then college soccer is completely

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different than like I played with Delko. We played in the flat four.

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We were able to like I was
playing right back, getting up and down

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the line, and more of a
defensive position. Yeah okay, so but

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still but still like I was getting
a position. I get into college and

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so I end up playing like like
in a three back, and I ended

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up. He was like, look, I don't give a shit what you

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do. You're gonna mark their best
player and just follow his ass all around

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the field. And I'm like,
you were that good a defensive player.

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Yeah, I'm like, but not
sexy. I was like, this isn't

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what I signed up for. Man. I was like, but I'll do

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it. So I would go in
and I would I'd play the game and

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I would literally just run around with
like some of these all American kids and

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just just lock them up for the
game. But I was running everywhere on

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the field like I wasn't playing a
position. I was just you know,

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canceling out their threat so that we
would you know, we would win games

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to one, or we'd lose games, you know, to one. But

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it wasn't you know. It wasn't
what I wanted. So I finally went

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to him my like junior year,
and I'm like, I'm done with this

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man, Like I don't want to
be running around the field and just looking

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like I'm not affecting the game all
card of the game. And they're like,

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yeah, I'm affecting their game,
but not ours. So he's like,

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all right, I'll give you a
chance. He puts me in like

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midfield attacking center mad I end up
scoring like six or seven goals in like

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five games, and then all of
a sudden we were winning games like three

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two, and then it came conference
and he's like, go right back to

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that market. Not like why,
I don't know he was. He was

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a forward I believe as a coach, but they shifted their mindset like from

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us winning games like high see.
That's like to me that you're you're coaching

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not to lose, which I think
is a bad exact form. And that's

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how I looked at it. Look
you're I was like, if we can

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win, that's all that matters.
Like if we win four to three,

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if we win five two, like
it doesn't matter we won, Yeah,

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like you care more about like if
we, you know, tie games,

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or if we you know, leak
goals, Like who gives a shit?

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If you if you're winning, who
cares? Right, So he ended up

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shifting me back to that man Mark
system and we went into the conference and

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we did all right, but we
same same mentality. We would win games.

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Now, what's the form. Everybody's
familiar with its kind of well the

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college football format. So it's somewhat
confusing, I think for people along the

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way. But do you get into
like with hockey they have the frozen four,

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do they do the same thing.
Do you get down? Yeah?

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No, they So you got your
conference, you gotta win out on your

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conference. We we never won.
I don't believe the conference and we never

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got But we had a couple of
years because we had like basically all the

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Philly kids that were kind of rejected
from big schools. Yeah, but we

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we had like we had probably like
eight nine Delco boys that were like we

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we had a legit tea. So
guys you had already played with then,

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yeah, like they were either yeah, they were either a year above me

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or a year below me. So
we had a great group. I mean,

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unfortunately we didn't really do the best
that we could. There was a

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lot of like injuries and stuff that
happened, and you know, guys didn't

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really perform like they did at club
in college because I mean, everybody thinks

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they're the ship when they're in you
know, when in big, big games

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and stuff. But when things get
hard and you're you're playing a basically like

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in a beer league, you're like
where guys just beat the shit out of

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each other the whole time, it's
different. You know, like the game

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wasn't sexy then it was who's got
who who can basically bully the other guy.

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I played soccer for a brief period
and I didn't really understand the game,

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and we didn't have it coming up
growing up. So I had gone

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to West Point to a summer camp
to learn to play. I still couldn't

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really figure it out. So I
used to just run through guys and there

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was one team they would punch me
right in the face every time. For

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whatever reason, I kind of liked
it. I did. I enjoyed that.

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But that's a because there's a lot
of movement in soccer and a lot

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of communication and it's actually if you
if you watch at the professional level.

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It's it's a beautiful game. I
mean when they're playing, he can almost

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see the patterns and the triangles and
the you know, if you know what

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you're looking for. So from Drexel, you go, yeah, so it's

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from Drexel. I spoke to my
coach. My coach was like, look,

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Jeff, you want to play at
the next level. And I was

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like, yeah, definitely do And
he's like, all right, well I

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think you can. I'll make some
phone calls because he obviously has been around

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the game for so long, he's
got connections with different people. Fortunately,

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you know, he was he coached
and knew Bob Bradley. He used to

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it was the Metro Stars coach at
the time, and they were like,

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look, we'll get you a trial
with them and Kansas City because they knew

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both coaches. So I was like
all right. So I basically said to

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myself, all right, I know
I'm going somewhere, right. And it

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comes the end of the year and
I'm like okay, So I finished it

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my senior year fall season, I
go into their like are you gonna sign

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up for classes? And I'm like, fuck, no, I know what

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I need to do. So I
drop out and not drop out of school.

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I just don't sign up for classes. So I spend the winner there

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at my the Drexel training facility,
and I was like, I'm going to

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train as hard as I can.
So what like being a student athlete and

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all, you know, I think
it's a it's a different thing. One

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of my sons is on a Division
two team. He's a thrower, so

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he's and there's workouts and scheduled stuff. But when you're doing a team sport,

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he's more individual, right, it's
his performance, his practice, and

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they got you know, a bunch
of guys. But I think it's got

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to be very different because then there's
also meetings, right, and you probably

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were watching film and so that that
believe it or not. So the game

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has progressed so much from when I
started, when I was in college and

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then when I was in pro.
When I was in college, we watched

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a little bit of film, Okay, not much. You know, like

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things weren't really as available then.
You didn't really have like the they had

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all Like all the technology now is
come where you can literally have a camera

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on every single player or know their
distance travel like we used to wear like

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the monitors and stuff. They're like
little sports pro level, the pro.

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In college, you didn't have anything
really, So it was just starting to

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develop in the in the early two
thousands, and you know, I we

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we had our meetings, but not
really So I went in and knowing that

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I was going to go to the
next level somehow or at least be seen.

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So I trained every day. What
would that what would that take?

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What like what would that be?
So I wouldn't I would get up at

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like six o'clock in the morning.
If you have a coach or were doing

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this on nobody really impressed. Nobody
even know, like they didn't really know.

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My only guy that knew really what
I was doing was my athletic trainer.

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Why did you not tell anybody?
I don't know. I think I

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think, yeah, I think it
was just like, look, I'm gonna

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do this on my own, Like
I have a big belief a lot of

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times, right that if you have
an idea like that, ye don't tell

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anybody because they're gonna go damn man. Everybody tries to get to that level

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and they start to put the doubt
in your head. And if you just

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go and do your thing, you
can do it. I love the surprise.

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I love like being the guy that
nobody like. I've always been counted

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out, been cut from. I
got cut from Daco when they first started.

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I got from States. I got
like overlooked constantly. And what made

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you keep coming back and not give
up? What is that? It was

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just a self drive. Man.
It was like it was just like the

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I mean, I don't know,
a deep belief in yourself, just that

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that that belief and this is all
self made because you remember, like you

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is your dad? My dad's pushing
me at all? Or dad was a

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yeller and he was like, you
know, he didn't know the sport.

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Ye my mom didn't know the sport. They just they just knew I was

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a great athlete. Okay. They
were like whether he's a baseball player or

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a basket obviously not basketball wasn't tall
enough. But baseball I was really good

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at and and soccer. So even
till this day, I joke with my

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parents, I'm like, do you
even know like what all sides is?

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Do you even know what position I
truly play? And they would be like

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trying to spit it out to me. I'm like, you've watched me for

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like twenty five years, and but
that's that's that's it is the American way.

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But it's a great testament to you. Yeah right, Yeah. I

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was just like, look, it's
like me going to your work and being

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like, oh, I know you're
the the director of the of like your

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office area or you're like the head
secretary whatever, but like I don't know

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what that is, and I ask
you and I watch you go to work,

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like once a week I come and
watch you like do your thing,

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run the office, run your appointments. And then I come back to you

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and I go, but what do
you really did? You know? I

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mean, like the same thing with
my dad, Like I always a self

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made man, so I'm like it's
not like I go up to him like

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all right, so do you actually
do the payroll yourself? Yeah? Like

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I know all that because it's like
I guess it's just like I've been in

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sports and stuff so long that I
and I've traveled, I've been able.

409
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,559
It's just funny that you think after
twenty five years that they would take like

410
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,680
more of an interest to even learning
watch a YouTube video anything. But I

411
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,559
think that their response was always like
I just love watching you play sports.

412
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:52,079
Which is quite a comment. Yeah, like, and it is a compliment.

413
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,480
I mean, my parents sacrificed everything
for me, you know, like

414
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,279
they might not have been there always, but they are always willing to like

415
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,640
get me the new cleats, always
will in to drive me to practice.

416
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Shit, they forgot to pick me
up sometimes, but like, I think

417
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:08,440
that's normal. And then like my
dad and my mom would they were divorced,

418
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:12,119
my dad got remarried, and they
would drive up from the Filly area

419
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,440
up to New York when you were
when you were I was playing for five

420
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:21,119
years, they came up to every
single game together. X uh step mom

421
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,519
in the cart, my dad wi
them. Yeah, they would sacrifice everything

422
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,039
to come watch me play. So
it was pretty cool. I mean,

423
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,119
I look back on it now and
I'm like, man, like, it's

424
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,680
all my mom's just she's very She's
an unbelievable woman, very spiritual, very

425
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:44,000
like can forgive. And obviously you
know, well for the first years it

426
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,480
was a shit show. It's like, well, I'm trying to overcome everything.

427
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:51,359
That's a amazing testament of love,
which I mean it sounds corny,

428
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,799
but it really is. And the
fact that they would put aside their differences

429
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:57,279
piling a car and come see you
play at the pro level. But take

430
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,039
me back to that. You're training, You're doing this on your own.

431
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,039
What are you doing? So every
morning I'd get in there like probably like

432
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:10,319
six thirty because I knew the trainer
okay, only had a window of like

433
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,440
an hour and a half to be
there with me. Oh so this guy

434
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,559
would help you just kind of it's
funny. So what do you do is

435
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,839
I'd go in, I'd run like
two miles, just all out on the

436
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:23,319
treadmill in his in his like office
area. What is it like sprinting?

437
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,920
I'd run as fast as I could
give me a mile time. So I'd

438
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,359
like I'd run under six minutes every
single time. Yeah, so but I

439
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,519
was never done that since I was
like fifteen minute and it sucked and I

440
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,559
never was a runner. But I'm
like, I gotta do this, like

441
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:38,920
because I know at the next level, old guys are going to be fitter

442
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,359
than me, stronger than me,
and I have to like stand out somehow.

443
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,359
So I'd do that and then he
would, you know, rub me

444
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,640
down, get any I saw me, get any work done on me.

445
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:53,319
And then I'd go upstairs and play
like an hour and a half of one

446
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:57,400
on one basketball with him, and
I'm like, I know basketball, and

447
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,720
I know that that type of those
types of one on one movements and you

448
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,480
know, jumping, sprinting, you
know, being able to like fall,

449
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:12,400
get up shoot, land and the
movements were similar but very different almost.

450
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,039
I was last training mentality. I
had never heard of that. That's very

451
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,440
interesting. But the fitness level is
unreal, yeah, because it's like you're

452
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,480
going at it for an hour straight. You know, you'd take your water

453
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,440
breaks, but you're going and you're
jumping, getting rebounds, getting slammed,

454
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,200
fall and getting up shooting, you
know, trying. Like it was different

455
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,880
movements that I was like, look, I don't do this in soccer all

456
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,920
the time, so I need to
work on everything. So I'd play for

457
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,799
like an hour hour and a half
with him. After I ran them like

458
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:42,720
the two miles, then I'd go
down into the training room, like the

459
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440
weight room, yeah, and I'd
just go at it for like another hour

460
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,480
when you were doing weights, I
mean, lighter, more reps. I

461
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:55,200
did everything at that time. I
didn't. I just don't want to get

462
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,480
to soccer players aren't really that big. I mean the a big, but

463
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,279
they're not. They don't put on
the muscle or the like that. Well

464
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,559
you're running, you almost want to
be leaner. Yeah, So I'd work.

465
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,960
I had the the weight trainer in
there with me, and he would

466
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,920
just show me some you know,
whatever exercise I need to do for that

467
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,960
day. I didn't want to take
up people's time because I didn't want him

468
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,039
to be like, well, Jeffson
here doing this and he's I got other

469
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,519
teams coming in, he's distracting them. And so I did my thing.

470
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:29,440
I just kept going and I did
that every day for you living on campus

471
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,240
at the time. Oh yeah,
she's living on campus, not taking any

472
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,880
classes, and no one's flying at
you with hey man. No, I

473
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,640
don't know how I pulled it off
because nobody once asked me, like,

474
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,240
I guess because the season was over
and they're like, we don't really need

475
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,240
him anymore, Like he's not like
my my college coach didn't pick up on

476
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,960
nobody went to him, like Jeff
didn't register for any classes. Yeah,

477
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,400
So I was like, I don't
care that I keep going. And then

478
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,599
like but it was like how many
days and a half, how many days

479
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,559
a week are you doing that?
I was doing it every day, five

480
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,400
six days a week, five six
days a week, the same routine,

481
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,880
the same routine every day. I
get in the cold tub after it stretched.

482
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,920
I did everything just to keep myself
become so popular now, Yeah,

483
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,000
and you're seeing them like I've been
taking a cold shower to start my day

484
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,519
for a couple of years. But
it's a cold shower, not even close

485
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:22,839
so cold top, but it gets
the It's like it gets the I think

486
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,440
it was like all the like adorphins
and neurons and everything going. And you're

487
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400
people still do that at all,
not so much. I mean I did.

488
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,920
I had such a when we get
to that part of my my life.

489
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,960
Yo, I had such a strict
regiment for so long. Yeah,

490
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:41,119
I mean I've let myself obviously go
of that because I'm not the hardest thing

491
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,920
is I don't like as athletes,
as you leave the game, it's like,

492
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,319
what do you have as a goal
or what drives you? Yeah?

493
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,319
Next, And that's the hardest thing. And that's why we I mean,

494
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,920
I'm not going to say we all, but that's why you know a lot

495
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,720
of us have problems with the next
part of our life because you don't have

496
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:04,680
that at the locker room. The
well you hear. I mean one of

497
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,599
the things. You know, I've
been around a lot of the Buffalo Bills.

498
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,920
They do training camp at my old
Alma Mata in Rochester, So for

499
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,240
years we would go and interview the
players and you would see guys, I

500
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,920
mean, even like Tom Brady talking
about it's when this is over, the

501
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,960
roar of the crowd, that kind
of appreciation for what you did. And

502
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:30,599
I mean, I would think like
professional athletes at any level, you know,

503
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,720
it's it's an amazing thing, and
it's like being a gladiator, right,

504
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:37,799
You're going out there. It's both
entertainment and sport and you're doing something

505
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,640
that people appreciate you all that they
can't do. Yeah you know, yeah,

506
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,200
I mean we so we had I
had like different phases of my career

507
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,160
where it was like I had that
feeling, yeah, the roar because it's

508
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,279
like I went to Seattle and that's
that was a proper club. Yeah,

509
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,000
through and through. So you go
when you try it out for the revenue.

510
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,359
So you did how long did you
train this way you were training for

511
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,319
I trained about a month and a
half. So it comes to draft.

512
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,279
I think the draft I'm trying to
remember back. I think the draft was

513
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:15,200
in what do they have anywhere?
Like? Okay, so four people who

514
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,160
are fans of the NFL. There's
the combine they do. Okay, they

515
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,160
had it. I got I didn't. I was on the waiting list or

516
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,599
something like that. Some bullshit.
Okay. I mean, I don't know

517
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,240
if that's true or not. They
just never invited me. They did not

518
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,519
invite you to the combine. Okay, So I go. I go,

519
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,119
right, so now you get a
tryout though, because they know the coach.

520
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,519
But no, I'm still in Drexel. I'm doing one of my last

521
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,039
days. It's the draft day,
okay. So I'm sitting there and I'm

522
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:42,119
like, I'm listening to the early
part of the draft like on the internet,

523
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,039
and I'm seeing people get drafted.
They didn't. I don't even know

524
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,799
if they had audio then it might
have just been like popped up. So

525
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:51,920
it pops up, and I'm like, all right, they're twenty in.

526
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:53,400
I'm like, I'm just gonna go
work out. Like I don't even think

527
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,359
I'll just bank on the tryout.
So I go. I go, already

528
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,640
tried out. No, So I
go into I go and start training at

529
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,119
Drexel again that day the day of
the draft, and I get done like

530
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,719
three hours later, and I look
at my phone. I didn't even go

531
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,840
back to check the what was going
on with the draft. I look at

532
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,840
my phone and they're like fifteen voicemails
and like all kinds of shit going on

533
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,519
with my phone. So I'm like, what's going on? So I get

534
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:23,800
out of the gym, I walk, I shower, I go out and

535
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,119
I'm like, I got the old
flip phone. I'm like trying to scroll

536
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,239
through see who called. And I
start listening to them. They're like,

537
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,440
holy shit, man, you got
fucking drafted. Bro, look at you.

538
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:38,599
So I'm walking out and I'm like, I he's They're fuck. They're

539
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:42,880
messing at me. Like the guys
my teammates all knew I was on,

540
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,199
you know, going like to try
to go on trials. And I get

541
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,239
home and I'm like, I're not
home. I'm like halfway and I listened

542
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,760
to like four or five and everybody's
cheering in the background, and then I'm

543
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,360
like, oh my gosh. So
I call my dad. I'm like,

544
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,280
Dad, I think I got drafted, and he's like my response to it,

545
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:04,840
how the fuck do you think you
got drafted? You either did or

546
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480
you didn't, which is a national
thing to say, but that would have

547
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,159
been I didn't know. So I'm
like crying. I'm like, holy shit,

548
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,760
like this is everything I've worked for
for the last like ten years,

549
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,719
like fifty, you know, fifteen
years whatever. And I get to my

550
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,039
room and I pull it up and
there I was the last pick of the

551
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:28,360
draft. Wow, mister mister irrelevant. Yeah. I went on the ESPN

552
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,039
first take when they had it back
in when I after I got drafted.

553
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Oh, they had you on there. Yeah, They're coming my hair and

554
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,880
shit, and I'm like, my
hair's all along and I'm like, no,

555
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:38,480
no, no, I'm going on
with a beanie. So I go

556
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,519
on with a beanie and they're like, what do you want to be called?

557
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,719
The guys like you were number sixty
they called like the I think it

558
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,559
was in football. They called him
like mister irrelevant. Yeah, so I

559
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,320
didn't even think of it, like
if they gave me some time to think

560
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,599
about it. And I was into
like the WWF at the time. How

561
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:55,320
the ww I was like, call
I would like to be called the Big

562
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,280
Show. And they started laughing their
ass off, and I was like,

563
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,480
that's all I got for you,
man, because it's like you said this

564
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:06,519
sean first take. Who was hosting? Was it stephen A? No,

565
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,599
it was it was a woman and
somebody else. I forget who. Oh

566
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,519
it might have been you know the
guy that had like two different colored eyes.

567
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,719
Yes, and I can't remember his
name. Yeah, he was amazing.

568
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,079
He's kind of not in the he's
not really in. Yeah, the

569
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,360
ESPN has done a whole bunch of
changed, but he was there back.

570
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,880
That was back in two thousand.
Do you say this on TV? I

571
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,320
want to show? Yeah? I
want to be called the Big Show.

572
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,039
Okay, So I like I had
I had. I wasn't like being overly

573
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:38,159
confident, but I was like,
dude, I made the show. Yeah,

574
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,639
the Big Show. Yeah, that's
kind of what through my head.

575
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,880
What happens when you when you say
that on TV and now you're going to

576
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,199
go to a team and they probably
heard about it. Did they give you

577
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,360
any ship? No? I didn't
give us anything. They started laughing because

578
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,159
they knew I was. I'd been
training at that point for like a month

579
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,880
with the team. But when I
went up, so I drove myself up.

580
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,559
This is how funny it is.
I call I don't even nobody calls

581
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,119
me to tell me I'm drafted.
I'm like, what the No one from

582
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,599
the team called me. From the
Metro Stars calls me, so I'm like,

583
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,880
what the Maybe they called my parents
like home line or something like that

584
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,119
to get in touch with me,
because it's like they didn't have my cell

585
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,519
So I'm like what do I do? So I called the Metro Stars and

586
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:27,639
I'm like, uh, this is
Jeff Park and I think I got drafted

587
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,480
number sixty, Like what's my next
steps? They're like, hold on you,

588
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,760
this is really Jeff and I was
like yeah, Like nobody's reached out,

589
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,480
like can I can I talk to
like one of the coaches or something?

590
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,800
Can I talk to Bob Bradley?
Like yeah, let us put Bob

591
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,320
on real quick. And Bob gets
on. He's like he's mister like military,

592
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,559
Jeff, what's going on? Man? Like yeah, congratulations, we're

593
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,719
gonna be starting camping like two weeks. Ready, get yourself up here.

594
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,840
I'm like, well, what do
you want? Where do I go?

595
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:02,000
He's like get yourself to a hotel. This is like I'm like what all

596
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:07,000
right? So I get like any
hotel, Like is there a team hotel?

597
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:08,199
Like what do I do? He's
like, just grab yourself a hotel.

598
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,760
We'll we'll give you the perdium and
we'll we'll pay you back after,

599
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,519
you know, if you make the
team. And I'm like, okay,

600
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,679
here we go. This is on
your own, on my own dime.

601
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,199
I'm in college, like this is
hang on, like, this is on

602
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,079
your own dime. And if you
don't make the team, if you eat

603
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:28,679
just only yeah you eat it.
Professional sport is. But see this,

604
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,119
this is how it works. They
know within like the first week, if

605
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:36,159
you're good enough to stay, and
then they'll add you to the to the

606
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,079
team hotel or whatever. So I
get ready, I get myself going and

607
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:44,480
my I didn't really have my car
sucked. I get going in my car.

608
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:50,199
My fucking brother put something in like
the oil or something in the gas.

609
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,480
My car breaks down on the side
of PA Turnpike. I'm driving up.

610
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,719
I got practiced the next morning,
right. Can you imagine if like

611
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,360
you just got drafted and she's just
like, yeah, get yourself up here.

612
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:05,239
Yeah, and you don't show up, And I was like, there's

613
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,800
nothing stopping me. So I pull
over on the side of the road.

614
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,320
My car's like got smoke coming out
everywhere. Call my mom. I'm like,

615
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,800
you need to get your ass up
here. I'm on the side of

616
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,119
PA. I need to get your
jeep and you gotta I gotta take it

617
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:20,920
up. And she starts laughing.
She's like, all right, I'll be

618
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,519
there. My mom and my dad, who were both divorced, jumping the

619
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,440
and so that they can. Like
my dad's following her. My mom's swings

620
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,119
in front of me. I jump
in her jeep. It's like nine thirty

621
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:36,280
at night. I gotta be up
there and then get in the hotel,

622
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,400
check in and be ready for practice
the first day of the next morning.

623
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:44,360
So I got up there and like
that. That's awesome that they yeah,

624
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,239
any cars all. I was like, just take care of my car.

625
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,719
I don't know how you're getting it
off off the PA Turnpike. Did you

626
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,639
ever find out how they did?
They just totaled it. Man. It

627
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,559
was like the thing was so old. I used to do all kinds of

628
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,960
crazy shit in that car. So
now you get to the Metro Stars and

629
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,920
so obviously you make the team.
Well, yeah, after they I didn't

630
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,679
have all. I was on living
off of was the perdium. Yeah,

631
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,960
so I didn't sign a contract until
probably a week before the season started,

632
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,320
and they were fucking with me the
whole time they knew I was. They

633
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,920
brought in all these guys, like
these top names center backs and stuff like

634
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,920
that, like veterans from the league. Yeah, and I beat him out,

635
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,840
man, like I was able to. And I played alongside who's still

636
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,079
today arguably the best defender I've ever
been around, the US has ever produced

637
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,760
was Eddie Pope. So he's like
one of the he was at that time,

638
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,159
like arguably the biggest US player,
him and Claudia Arena and all them,

639
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:45,480
but Eddie was the man, and
I ended up starting next to him,

640
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:49,199
and him and I played together for
a couple of years until him and

641
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:55,280
until Eddie and Bob got and like
started knocking heads and then left. So

642
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,800
you signed that first contract, Yeah, my contract was twenty eight grand.

643
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,280
I was living in Hoboken, New
York or New Jersey, and I ended

644
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,360
up jumping in with like the rookie
that was like yeah, but there was

645
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,079
people making less than me. It
was really unreal, man, So I'm

646
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,440
living how long is this season?
Then? Dude? We went from at

647
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,159
that time. We went from I
think it was March March. Yeah,

648
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,280
well we started we started preseason in
January, and it was like the longest

649
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,800
hell of life at that time for
me. Or you're you're traveling all over,

650
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:37,599
You're you're down in you know,
Central America training uh in like ninety

651
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:40,119
eight degrees to get you ready for
the summer months in so they fly you

652
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:44,400
all down there. Yeah, we
go all over and we go to New

653
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,519
York are, we go to Florida, We go down to Central America.

654
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:50,559
When you're down in Central America?
Do you play Central American clubs at all?

655
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:52,559
Yeah? Yeah, it was a
different style. Yeah, you learn

656
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:57,559
things from Yeah. I mean their
their technique is unreal. Man. Those

657
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,280
guys, you know, the crowds
are crazy either throwing shit at you,

658
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,800
like literally like piss at you and
like rocks and I mean I saw,

659
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,000
I'll get that later, but like
I saw like a diaper getting thrown in

660
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,719
one of my coaches, like a
dirty diaper, and like did it was

661
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,360
crazy? Wow? Luckily it was
throwing preseason, so we didn't get that.

662
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,679
Our asses kicked too bad then when
we started playing them in bigger cup

663
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:28,800
games and stuff. Like that,
which was insane, Like when we played

664
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,079
Monterey in them Yeah, I'll tell
you that later, but that was I

665
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,880
saw shit there. I'm like,
oh my gosh, I can't. I

666
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960
mean, but it was like preseason
was tough, man. And then I

667
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,559
didn't sign, like I said,
until like the week before the season,

668
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,519
and then they named me the starter, not the first game, but the

669
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,119
second game, and I started the
rest of the rest of the time in

670
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,199
all five years in New York,
playing in Giant Stadium. Yeah, and

671
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,639
then I but then I got me
in. Uh. Bob Bradley kind of

672
00:42:54,679 --> 00:43:02,159
got yeah, didn't really see eye
to eye anymore. And then he got

673
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:07,039
fired, and then Moe Johnson came
in. Was basically like he threw me

674
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,760
out. He threw me this is
when I when things started clicking. He

675
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,079
threw me out of the team for
the rest of the year. There's like

676
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,320
a week left and he's like,
go to the fuck home. You know,

677
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:21,000
I'm tired of you sulking and going
back and forth with like all your

678
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,599
shit, get a personal trainer and
come back next season and you'll have your

679
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:30,199
spot again. Why was that?
What was going on? It was just

680
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,119
like at that time I was getting
blamed for everything as a rookie. I

681
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,079
was like, or my second year, sorry, I was like, things

682
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,119
were just you know, I was
just tired of getting blamed for shit,

683
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,880
like everybody, like the coaches were
always like, oh, you should have

684
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,719
done this. It was tough,
Like mentally it was tough, Like I'm

685
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,960
like going through all like the grind
and everything like that. I had big

686
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,400
expectations because after that year, my
rookie year, everybody was like, you

687
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,079
know, you have chance to be
on the national team. You need to

688
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,239
just keep yeah, keep pushing yourself. Eddie Pope was next to me.

689
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,239
I was like, shit, I
don't have a there's I can learn from

690
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,679
the best. But I was immature, you know. I mean I was

691
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,800
still getting out of like I was
still I kind of fell into that like

692
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:15,480
you know where I'm starting to like, I know I'm good enough, but

693
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,000
like, oh, I'll take the
foot off the pedal a little bit.

694
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:22,119
Well, there's also probably you're in
one of the biggest cities in the world

695
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:27,119
and there's a certain segment. I
mean, I don't know, but I'm

696
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:31,440
gonna say hockey has the hockey bunnies. I would assume that there's women yeah,

697
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,400
and you know, now for I
mean definitely for the guys that wanted

698
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,880
them, they were there. Yeah, I was. I was dating a

699
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:44,800
girl who ended up being my wife
at the time, and I just I

700
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,880
was focused on that and I knew
what I what I wanted to do.

701
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:50,519
It's just that, you know,
I was still partying like I was in

702
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,840
college. You know, I was
still do dumb shit. I was like

703
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,039
I went down to like Monday night
football games and like Philly, Yeah,

704
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,320
and like got hammered and then like
the next morning, Dan, are you

705
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,639
an Eagles fans? My middle son
is an Eagles fan, but they're some

706
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,360
of the I mean, they're that's
violent there, but you're I was an

707
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,599
Eagles fan, So yeah, no, no one's gonna mess with you.

708
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:14,400
But I mean that's the closest thing
we have to Central Americans throwing bags of

709
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,760
piss snowballs with batteries. So yeah, it's like did I used to.

710
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,239
I did a lot of dumb shit, Like I drove back up like six

711
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,920
in the morning and like was hungover. Yeah, you know, and you're

712
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,079
thinking that it doesn't it doesn't.
You're thinking no one's seeing this or they

713
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:34,360
didn't really see it. Because all
of us young kids, we were all

714
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,599
like they knew, like they could
smell the alcohol on us and stuff,

715
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,440
and they were they weren't like,
please buy it. But like I didn't

716
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,800
do it all the time. But
it's just like it wears on you.

717
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,000
Man. You're traveling, uh like
forty fifty times a year, and you

718
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,960
know, you're not going first class, you're not going even private, you're

719
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,639
going in commercials. So you're sitting
with everybody. Yeah, and you know,

720
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,239
like you're getting your ass just beat
up everywhere you're going. You're flying.

721
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,960
I was flying probably like thirty five
forty thousand miles a year. Wow,

722
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:05,920
and just you know, on the
grind. So and I wasn't like

723
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,599
and we never determined. The season
starts marches that time, March, and

724
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:14,960
then it goes to it's going to
like November November. Yeah, so it

725
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,360
was a long season. And then
and then and then you have like basically

726
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,320
you have like the first week you're
finished normally, like the first week of

727
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,960
November, and then you're off like
the rest of November December, and then

728
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,960
you're back in the first week of
January. But it's like, you know,

729
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,039
I always had a routine where I
take three weeks off completely, let

730
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,199
my body completely heal, right,
heal, and then you know, then

731
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,400
go at it again and you do
two three days and then you get into

732
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,280
preseason, and it's just so when
this coach, this new coach comes in

733
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,800
and says, get a trainer and
all, that's when it sort of clicks.

734
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,639
Yeah, it was starting to click. I was starting to like that's

735
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:53,679
when my body, Like I was
like, my body's breaking down. Like

736
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,760
I didn't. I didn't have many
injuries, like I had a hamstring here

737
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,239
and there and some ankle tears.
But so I was like my wife's brother

738
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,920
at the time, we were like, look, we got to figure a

739
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,559
way to like keep you healthy,
strong and push you so that you you

740
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:13,159
you do all your hard work basically
in the off season and then you work

741
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:16,760
your ass off during the season training. But also but you're like your levels

742
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,320
aren't going to drop. And I
was like I was doing everything, man,

743
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:28,000
like I would. I work like
NonStop starter all the time. I

744
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:32,760
got into like the you know,
I was are there bonuses and things much?

745
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,679
I was stupid. I ended up
getting like a an agent, which

746
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:39,119
I was like, this is dumb. So I ended up after like two

747
00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:43,599
years, I was like, I'm
going to sign a new contract. Well,

748
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,320
after you sign that new contract at
the time, it's like you get

749
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,239
it's like a one year contract with
like three or four year option for club.

750
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,199
Okay, so you're screwed and it
only goes up like ten percent a

751
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,599
year. So dude, by the
time I was done five years, I

752
00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:00,320
was making I think like it was
like fifty five sixty grand and how much

753
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,199
are you spending on personal trainers?
And then I was I was a lot.

754
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,519
You know, I was able to
like I was probably to get sponsored

755
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,360
and stuff. Well no, so
my no, not like to that.

756
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,440
So I worked my own Nike deal. If that's what you're talking about.

757
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,880
I did that. I worked my
own Nike deal. And that's like for

758
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:21,199
later. But I literally sat with
my cell phone in my pocket and it

759
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:28,559
was warming up and the Nike heads
scout slash like runs Brad's self was his

760
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,880
name, ran Nike Soccer, and
I called him like fifteen times a day,

761
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:37,239
wrote them emails and it was like
I needed a Nike deal. And

762
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,960
he finally was like you got you
got fifteen minutes, I'll call you blah

763
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,920
blah blah, and I'm like,
shit, dude, like I'm in the

764
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,760
middle of training, just quite the
hustle. You get some hustles. So

765
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,719
I was like fuck it. I
was like I run over act like peing

766
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,719
and I get on the phone with
him and I'm like you. I was

767
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,119
like, you need to you need
to sign me. I'm gonna be I'm

768
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:57,920
gonna I'm gonna make the national team. He's like all right. He's like

769
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,039
all right, You're gonna sign with
Nike. And it was like a ten

770
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:04,679
thousand dollars deal. But it was
like, dude, now I got all

771
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,159
Nike gear, everything I want.
I can wear Nike every time. Do

772
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,199
they give that an addition to paying
you or is that in It was like

773
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,320
here's your payment. Isn't even in
cash. It's like here's your product.

774
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,559
Yeah, get ten thousand dollars worth
of product. That was awesome. All

775
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:22,920
right, I'm cool with that.
But now I got Nike and now I'm

776
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:27,039
a Nike man. Yeah. Instead
of like you could cut your own individual

777
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,360
deals. There was no contractual anything
again at that time. Now yeah,

778
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:31,760
And it was like he's like,
I'm not giving you cash and I was

779
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,519
like why and he's like, you're
not on the national team, and I

780
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,159
said, well, I'm gonna be
there, and he's like, I don't

781
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:38,400
give a shit. When you get
on the team, maybe then i'll talk

782
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,719
to you. I didn't get there
for another four years, but I got

783
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,039
there. You did get on the
national national team for year. So after

784
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,519
how so your five years in New
York it kind of clicks for you.

785
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,000
It's reminding me as you say that. I don't know if you watched the

786
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:59,239
documentary on Netflix, Redeem Team,
and it's the basketball team after you know,

787
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,360
our dream team. They were winning
bronze and stuff at a game we

788
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,880
invented, right, it's not it's
not soccer or football as they call it

789
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:13,480
over overseas U And I think like
all the young guys, lebron and some

790
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:16,000
of the young guys were out partying
and they're coming in from partying. It's

791
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:22,039
like three four in the morning,
and here comes Kobe Bryant coming down to

792
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,599
go work out and get a workout
in pre workout, and that's when for

793
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:28,440
them they all kind of went,
that's it. So is that sort of

794
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,920
what happened with you? You kind
of got to that discipline level. I

795
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,119
don't know, it was like I
think it was at a point where I'm

796
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,920
like, either I'm gonna make this
or I'm not. Ye, Like,

797
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,360
I'm at a point I'm at a
crossroad, so whether I make it.

798
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,039
So this isn't the first time you
ran a crossroad. Yeah, but to

799
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,320
get into directlow, you got it
it. I've done a lot of dumb

800
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,199
shit, and I always know,
like there's there's always a crossroad where like

801
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,800
I come to where I'm like,
either I'm going the opposite direction or this

802
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,199
is my time to to excel at
what I'm doing. Yeah, And like

803
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,760
so I do this, and I
do it for like a good year and

804
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,840
a half and then I trained my
ass off. I have a personal trainer.

805
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,480
I go to practice, get done
practice, going to New York City.

806
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,360
I trained for another two hours with
a personal trainer, and I'm taking

807
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,159
all these supplements and all this stuff. Like I'm going home after that at

808
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,400
like four or five o'clock in the
afternoon. I mean you, I mean

809
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,800
meanwhile, I'm starting at eight in
the morning training and I'm getting home at

810
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,280
like five o'clock. Because you've got
the rush hower and all that bullshit up

811
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,519
in New York jumping in the Epps
and salt tub and stuff. I do

812
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,639
all that. I'm like eat,
I'm eating certain foods, I have a

813
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:43,360
certain diet, I have certain weighted
out foods. I take my foods with

814
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,559
me on certain trips and stuff.
Because the foods we were eating at the

815
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:50,079
time was shit. We were eating
like slop compared to what they do now.

816
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,159
And I was part of the part
of the reason for that, because

817
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,119
I was like, everybody made fun
of me, but I brought all the

818
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,719
best foods. I ate the best
foods, and I'm like, this is

819
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,840
how we should be eating. And
like the teams started like years after started,

820
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,719
you know, putting that into their
their their diets and stuff. So

821
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,719
let me just interrupt and I apologize. So, uh, I have a

822
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:16,320
friend named Brian Gionta. Brian was
an HL player I Want a Stanley Cup

823
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:22,440
pretty young and then became I think
the second American to be captain of the

824
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,880
Canadians, where it's like you know
huge, yeah, life there. Yeah.

825
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,360
So and he's retired. He then
went, you know, did some

826
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,360
time with the Sabers and then the
Bruins and wrapped up his career and played

827
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,239
for Team USA Hockey. But he'll
say to me like I'm watching my kids.

828
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,119
He goes, they'll go into the
pantry and get like a sleeve of

829
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:45,280
oreos, and I go, you
don't know what you're doing to your body,

830
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,320
you know. And I gotta think
that that's sort of your mentality too.

831
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,599
Yeah, I mean it definitely was. And at that time, it

832
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,519
was like to Terrell Owens and all
that. And I was watching these guys

833
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:59,320
and I'm like, they're freaks about
like their profession. Yeah, I was

834
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,559
like, I need to I need
this in my life to see if I

835
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:07,679
can get to the national team.
I was never in the national team program,

836
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,719
which at that's how a lot of
the kids came up. Yeah,

837
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,079
they and then that's how they get
on the national team. So I'm doing

838
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:19,480
this speed forward. I end up
one year half towards the end of this

839
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,159
is there's the end of my career
in New York and this is why I

840
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,480
left New York. So I get
to the end of the fifth year there

841
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:31,119
and I get pop for PDS.
So I'm training my ass off doing all

842
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:37,400
this stuff, and all of a
sudden, I get a phone call after

843
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,119
training one day. They're like it's
like the Union or something like that from

844
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:44,440
so are they testing regularly. Oh
yeah, I got I get tested like

845
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,440
four times a year, okay,
and all during season. And the guys

846
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,280
like, Jeff, you're you're positive
for like bullet own or whatever. That

847
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,719
was like what Mark McGuire tested positive? And I was like, well,

848
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,800
how's that possible? It was like
all I take is supplements and stuff.

849
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,039
I don't know how it is,
Jeff, but you know there's no way

850
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,280
you can get out of this really, like it's whatever. The like,

851
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:13,480
the policy is, whatever you put
in your mouth is your responsibility. And

852
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,880
I was like, oh, so
it took like a couple hours to digest.

853
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,519
Did you was there anything you didn't
know? This is what I found

854
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:28,079
out. So I when when it
happened, there was a goalie of mine,

855
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:31,159
he was training with the same trainer. We were taking these powder recovery

856
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:37,199
drinks. So at the time,
I'm like, nobody's talking about how tainted

857
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:44,199
the powders are from like your supplement
shop or anything like that. There's there's

858
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,840
steroids in there are in the powders. I used to think like at that

859
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,880
time, like you have to shoot
something into my answer my shoulders. I

860
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,840
would too. I would have thought
the same thing. Yeah, and then

861
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:00,280
they started coming after we got nailed. We got nailed. Then Richard Thus

862
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,719
from the Magic got nailed, and
then like a picture from the Phillies got

863
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,480
nawn. All like on the similar
stances, like we are all like shit,

864
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:14,920
like we're not. Can you guys
sue those recovery drink companies. You

865
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:21,000
can't because there's like they it says
like not FDA approved or something like that.

866
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:22,960
Most supplements will have that. I
don't know if they've changed now because

867
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:28,000
I'm not really like yeah, up
with it. But at the time I

868
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:32,440
send the so I send the bottle
like a bottle of the stuff that I

869
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,119
have. And the crazy thing was, I mean the name of the names

870
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,920
sent it. I sent it to
a lab and in Chicago to get tested.

871
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,400
I'm like, I gotta go.
I gotta know what the fuck I

872
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,159
just took, Like I want to
know, Like, so this is all

873
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:49,960
on your own again? Yeah,
well, my like we it was like

874
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,760
four grand or something like that to
get it all like completely dissected. So

875
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:58,280
I get it dissected and then or
tested, and they come back They're like

876
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:07,840
Jeff reading this and the molecular structure
is almost identical to the steroid. You

877
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,679
can't really tell the difference, but
it's it's we've never seen anything really like

878
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,960
it, but if you look at
it, it looks very similar. So

879
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:21,280
I'm like, fucked, I'm done. So I get called into the Uh

880
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,920
what is their policy in MLS have
one? That's this is why it's you're

881
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,840
saying, I'm done, and I'm
going on, look, thought, we

882
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,159
all watched the stuff with baseball where
pet's prevalent in MLS, probably not or

883
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:38,119
not that. So that's the funny
thing. You're the first funny. But

884
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:42,400
I'm always whenever, like, whenever
something happens to me, I'm always like,

885
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,800
people learn from your pioneer, Yes, pioneer from badness and goodness.

886
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:52,480
I guess. So I uh,
I go into the Commissioner's office. Don

887
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:53,719
Garber sits me down. I'm sitting
at the table. I'm like, I

888
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,920
know, fucked. I know he's
going to make an example of me.

889
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,800
It's like, Jeff, we've we've
never had a steroid case. And I'm

890
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,280
like a, yeah, I know, and my name's on the ESPN ticker

891
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:09,840
park gets gets pop for pds and
then all of a sudden, I'm like

892
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:14,119
he's like I'm gonna make an example
of you. I'm sorry, but I

893
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:15,079
have to. And I was like, you gotta be kidding me, Like

894
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,239
I didn't know what I was doing. Like I didn't, I wasn't shooting

895
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,400
up at that point. Did you
have the results back? Yeah, and

896
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280
I showed. I mean, he
just did the old flip through, you

897
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,519
know, like real quick. He's
like, I was like, I didn't

898
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:31,800
lawyer up. I didn't do anything
like that. The union was fucking weak.

899
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:36,280
They weren't like they're basically we're like, oh, we can't really help

900
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,280
you, jes Did you wish you
had lawyered up or did you feel like

901
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,960
the union would help me? Like
okay, you know, like the players

902
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,320
union would be like look, but
at that time, they never had a

903
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,880
case. So I was like,
I'm gonna have to eat this. Yeah,

904
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,400
I mean literally, And he's like, we're gonna hit you with a

905
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,679
ten game suspension and we're gonna find
you like ten percent of your salary.

906
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:00,679
I was like, I make like
sixty grand dude, you're gonna take that's

907
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,679
like everything to me and I'm not
going to be able to play for ten

908
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,159
games. I was like, that's
a third of the season. I was

909
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:08,840
like, all right, So,
I mean I'm crying as I go out.

910
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,920
I'm like, this is I mean, I think my career is over

911
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,760
because I'm like, whenever, like
you're the first or something, you could

912
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,800
lose everything because they're like, I
don't want to touch this guy. Meanwhile,

913
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,920
I'm out of fucking contract too,
So I'm like And that was the

914
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,519
year Seattle came in and was like
the so when they have the new team

915
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:34,159
come in, they get to pick
from all the unprotected players like it is

916
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:40,559
in most sports. So New York
calls me the Jeff Vegas, he was

917
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:44,840
the direct sporting director, calls me. He's like, Jeff, we want

918
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,199
to resign you. And I was
like, oh, yeah, where the

919
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:52,760
fuck were you guys when I was, you know, basically getting dragged through

920
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,119
the mud. He told me to
leave. The team told me to stay

921
00:58:54,159 --> 00:59:00,239
away, didn't allow me to talk
during this whole pet You think they were

922
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,360
like, go so that team doesn't
back you. The Union's week. They

923
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,480
all just tell me to leave.
So I left. I mean I kind

924
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:08,679
of left that out, but they
left. They were like, dude,

925
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:13,360
just stay away. We went through
like a fricking crazy playoff run. Made

926
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,159
it to the MLS Cup and with
the Red Bulls. The Red Bulls.

927
00:59:16,239 --> 00:59:21,079
Yeah, they turned in the Red
Bulls and they were like, just stay

928
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:22,639
away, which, by the way, I would love to know what's in

929
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,000
Red bull I mean, I like
it, but you know it's give a

930
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,119
bunch of shit. Ye give me
a heart attack, drink too much of

931
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:31,320
it. But so they called me
during the MLS. This is what really

932
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,639
pissed me off. They called me
during the MLS Final and they're like,

933
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:38,239
we want to fly you out,
come out with the team, but you

934
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,800
can't stay in the team hotel.
You got to stay at a different hotel.

935
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,119
We don't want any distractions because they
thought what the press would be and

936
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:50,039
the press and start eating it up
because they kind of forgot about it,

937
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:53,440
like they they drilled them for the
first you know, three or four weeks

938
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,719
when when it happened, and then
after that it kind of went away and

939
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,599
they were like, so game suspension
and then no, no, I'm still

940
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:06,639
on the team because the suspension just
started. So I'm like two games in

941
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,840
because they counted the playoffs and all
that ship too, so they're like,

942
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:14,239
let's just you can count it,
and I'm like you motherfucker's dude, you're

943
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,880
gonna ask me to cut you.
First, you tell me to stay away

944
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,679
from I'm basically a cancer. You're
the red headed step shot. Yeah,

945
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,880
and you and then you want to
invite me out. But but you say,

946
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,000
I can't really be around the team. I gotta stay somewhere else.

947
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:29,360
I can't even really like are they
paying for that? Yeah, they'll pay

948
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,159
for it. But I'm like,
I'm like the like the ghost, like

949
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,679
you're the forgotten guys. Team camaraderie
is that, Yeah, it's like,

950
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,880
dude bonding. Everybody knows who I
am. Yeah, they know that I'm

951
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,480
not a cheater. They know I'm
not like trying to. Yes, my

952
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:45,679
fitness level was insane, and I
was like, but that was because I

953
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:49,519
was working like an extra two three
hours a day on top of what I

954
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,519
was doing on training. Yeah.
And then they so they offered me a

955
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:57,119
contract and I was like, go
fuck yourself, dude, I'll take my

956
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:01,559
chances in whatever comes to my next
endeavor or with whatever team. And then

957
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:07,239
Seattle snag me. Yeah, and
were they paying more? Oh yeah a

958
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,280
lot? Good? Yeah, But
that was I mean, I could talk

959
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,280
for days on the next because then
I was going to you. I went

960
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,239
to Europe and tried out and tried
to go over there, but I got

961
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:20,400
fucked over there too, because they
all that's when the internet started taking off.

962
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:24,159
The stuff follows you everywhere. I
went everywhere. Ye So who were

963
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:27,480
you trying out for it? I
was. I went over to Germany.

964
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:31,559
I was with like a couple of
teams over there, Augsburg. Did you

965
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,679
get on those teams? Trained with
them? Okay? But they ultimately at

966
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,880
the end of wehere like, look, we can't we saw what happened to

967
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,320
you. We can't really take a
chance. Plus like my my ego,

968
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:45,920
my you know, my confidence was
struck at that time. I was like,

969
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,159
fuck, I know, like people
are talking about me. I know,

970
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,360
like I'm not really like where I
want to be. And like I

971
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:58,159
went to the big club Anderlecht at
the time in Belgium, and that was

972
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:04,280
where Lukaku, the big he's all
over Europe now, he was training.

973
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,719
He was sixteen years old. I
was there with him and they were like

974
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,840
the ender like sporting director says to
me, goes all right, Jeff,

975
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:15,880
you know we like your agent,
but you know you're not on the national

976
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,679
team and you know, we'll see
what we can do. Either you'll be

977
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,920
here for two three days or you
could be here for a while, and

978
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,320
we like you, we signed you. And I said okay, and I

979
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:32,039
was. I was there for like
two three weeks all on my own dime.

980
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,639
Agent wasn't paying shit. I was
like, I gotta make this.

981
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,239
I was like, dude, I've
been here for two weeks with the under

982
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,199
twenty one team because they don't like
you to play with the first team unless

983
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:45,519
you're a national team player. How
old were you at the time. I

984
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:52,920
was like twenty seven, okay I
think, And they were like I finally

985
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,800
had my agent. I'm like,
dude, you gotta call this director again.

986
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,880
Like the sporting right, I've been
here for two weeks. I'm training

987
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,000
with them, I'm playing games.
Yeah, I'm like, did something.

988
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:06,679
Either it's good or it's really bad, Like I forgot about me. So

989
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,840
I was training with like Lukaku and
all those like studs that were like sixteen

990
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,000
years old, guys were going to
like massive clubs like Man United, Chelsea.

991
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,239
Like I'm like, I'm playing with
these kids, like I'm holding my

992
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,000
own. Yeah, they're sixteen and
I'm twenty seven. But I mean,

993
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,159
if I can, you know,
sure these twenty and then the other guys

994
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:29,719
were like twenty. I was like, if I can bang with them and

995
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,400
like at least not stand out like
a sore thumb, like I should at

996
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,960
least have a chance at like a
lower you know, like a you know,

997
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:42,119
the Belgium league's good, but it's
not like the Premier League or Italy

998
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:47,320
or Spain or whatever. So it's
crazy. Make that team the guys said.

999
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,079
He's like, oh, yeah,
Jeff, you were really good,

1000
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,840
but guess what you're You're not on
the r US national team. And I

1001
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,800
was like the movement, the US
movement of players around that time, when

1002
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:02,000
guys like the Clinton MCS were playing
over there, there was only a selected

1003
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,199
few that were doing really well,
and the clubs weren't taking chances on Americans

1004
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:10,519
because they were like, they're just
great athletes. They're not soccer players.

1005
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,239
We don't want to they're not footballers, we don't want them over here.

1006
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:23,000
And what's the difference than in their
mind? So they we just weren't technically

1007
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:26,079
as interesting. Yeah, and you
played this game since you were seven or

1008
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:30,480
eight, which was it was the
truth. We didn't we didn't have the

1009
01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:34,159
full understanding, and we didn't have
the technique to how to play the game

1010
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:40,199
and how to play the chess match
against another chess player, right like we

1011
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:43,480
were checkers. Were were good at
checkers, but we weren't great at chess.

1012
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:45,920
That's really. They knew how to
move off the ball, they knew

1013
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,920
how to like play the game,
and they knew like they live and breathe

1014
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,599
it. They go to school,
they play soccer. They go to school,

1015
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:57,400
they play soccer like they're any academies. They're not. Their life is

1016
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,760
soccer. Yea. You know,
they all know what they're doing, and

1017
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,199
you know they that's they grew up
around the best game. And that's why

1018
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,320
it doesn't all the way back to
the beginning of the conversation, that's why

1019
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:11,079
it doesn't take off. Here is
good because it's everything to them there.

1020
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,920
You know, here we're just another
league that's not a top league. You

1021
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,039
know, Europe is. Everybody from
the US that even knows anything about second

1022
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:24,039
knows the Europe's the best best league. Does your confidence, which gets hit

1023
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:28,960
with the peed, kind of go
up knowing that you lasted about a month,

1024
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:31,840
right, three weeks well with a
European club one of the best and

1025
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,719
playing against as guys who said are
studs at that game? That had to

1026
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:38,960
be a boost for you. Yeah, it was good. It was good.

1027
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,239
It was definitely a boosts. I
kept getting pulled back and forth because

1028
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:45,360
Seattle had my rights. Okay,
they were working on a contract back at

1029
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,320
home, because I was like,
look, I can't stay here forever,

1030
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,559
like I'm bleeding money, like and
I'm not going anywhere, so how are

1031
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:56,239
you paying for all this? I
just I mean, I had money stashed

1032
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,079
and I was like, look,
I'll bet on myself and like I'll just

1033
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:01,880
keep going until like I run out
of money or I make a team.

1034
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:04,639
Yeah. So I got to a
point where like I went back to Seattle.

1035
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:10,760
I trained with them again in the
following year in their preseason. So

1036
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,679
the whole year went by with me
bopping around the teams. Then I go

1037
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,239
back to Seattle the following year.
So they've already played their first season in

1038
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:23,119
the MLS, so their inaugural season. You're not part of that team,

1039
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,119
but they have the right on paper, but they don't have me on the

1040
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,159
team. So I because they gave
me some low ball offer, I was

1041
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:32,239
like, I'm not signing that like, I'll see you, see you guys

1042
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,920
later. So I came back.
They offered me again. I said,

1043
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,480
nope, see you. I go
back to Europe. I go to a

1044
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:44,679
new agent. He's in Germany.
He puts me, he puts the Germans

1045
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:50,440
are funky. He puts me in
a renovated jail cell room, which was

1046
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,920
a hotel. So the Germans love
weird shit, so they he bought a

1047
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,320
jail and he renovated all the all
the jail cells into hotel rooms. They

1048
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:05,280
still yeah, yeah, oh yeah, dude. It was crazy. And

1049
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,280
that was like when like you didn't
really you couldn't you. I couldn't make

1050
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,119
like, uh, you know,
foreign calls and calls back to the US

1051
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:16,559
because like you'd have to use like
a hard line or you know, you're

1052
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:18,880
like they didn't have the good plans, would cost you a fortune if you

1053
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,519
didn't. I didn't have a lot
of money. So I was like,

1054
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:24,920
screw it. So I'm living in
a jail cell for like another month,

1055
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:29,760
literally bunk bed, pisser right next
to your toilet, right. Really,

1056
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,800
this is the whole I lived in
a jail cell for like a month and

1057
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,559
a half, and I trained every
day. I ran through the streets and

1058
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:40,039
everything like that, hoping that i'd
get a call from a team over there.

1059
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:44,760
I got a call. I went
there and Dusseldorf. I trained there.

1060
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:48,400
I thought I did all right.
I only got one sniff with the

1061
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,239
first team and the guys were like, oh, dude, like this,

1062
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,320
he's not on the same song and
dance. It's not on the national team.

1063
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,480
I haven't even played competitive soccer like
an over a month, I mean

1064
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:02,480
over a year, so I'm like
a bit rusty, like I'm not really

1065
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:08,280
like I noticed myself, like my
fitness is is. My fitness is good

1066
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,039
for like the first half of training, and then it's like it's just not

1067
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:15,639
up there because you're doing different movements
and I can't get that unless i'm training

1068
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:17,800
every day with the team. Had
I haven't trained with the team for like

1069
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:23,119
six months at that time, And
you know, then I went down to

1070
01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:29,279
Augsburg and on a train by myself, and I'm like, I gotta I

1071
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:33,279
gotta like somehow like make this.
And finally I got to a point where

1072
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,359
I was like enough's enough. Like
I was in Belgium again, went back

1073
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:41,039
over to Belgium teams like yeah,
we'll sign you. They were in like

1074
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:44,680
a relegation battle, and I'm like
I literally left in the night. I'm

1075
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,159
like I'm done, Like I I've
done everything I have. It's just not

1076
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:53,159
in God's plan. And like I
got I'll go back to Seattle. I'll

1077
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:57,720
re establish myself and that will be
it. And that's what I did.

1078
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,600
And did they come with a better
offer? Not much more. I sat

1079
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,239
with it. So it was pretty
crazy. I sat with the owner.

1080
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:06,399
I told him like, look,
I don't want to play for this coach.

1081
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,920
Trade me now to la. He's
like, look, Jeff, you're

1082
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,359
too good to trade and we know
you can get you for less than what

1083
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,920
anybody else is you know, willing
to pay, so we're not going to

1084
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,079
trade you. And I was like, well I need more money and he's

1085
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:25,800
like that's and I'm like right across
for the its like I'm not playing for

1086
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,239
your coach. Get rid of me
now. And he's like I'm just not

1087
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,920
gonna do it, man, and
I'm I'm done with money, like I

1088
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,760
have like maybe like a couple of
grand left to hold me over. And

1089
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:42,920
I was like fuck it. And
I basically had my agent. I was

1090
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,319
like bet every bet the whole house
on my performance. So your performance for

1091
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:53,039
what? So this is how I
got my money back. I was like,

1092
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:56,279
bet everything you got on my performance
because I'm gonna bet on myself.

1093
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,159
And he's like, we'll give you
a base salary, like let's say of

1094
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:02,760
one fifty, okay, and then
we're gonna hit you. We're gonna give

1095
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,720
you massive bonuses if you play a
certain amount of games, and if we

1096
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,520
win certain amount of games, and
if you have a certain amount of minutes.

1097
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:15,439
So this is significantly more money than
you started twenty eight. Now you're

1098
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,720
one fifty plus the bonuses. Now
we're playing a little bit at that time,

1099
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,800
like guys are still making a shitload
more. But I wasn't on the

1100
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:27,239
national team, like it didn't have
really much say so I was like they

1101
01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:30,920
my agent put it in the contract
that they bid on it, signed it

1102
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:32,600
right, and I'm like, all
right, it's up to me now.

1103
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,800
So again, so again I bet
on myself. But I like this because

1104
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:44,800
everywhere like this is where just to
take a little tangent, I always think

1105
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,279
self esteem, right, is something
we here talked about a ship ton when

1106
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:50,880
it comes to kids, and I
would always say, yeah, but you

1107
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,640
can't you have to. That has
to be sort of earned. Anytime you

1108
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,119
see a kid winning, push them
further, push them further. You did

1109
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,640
that with nothing, like no nobody
really doing it. And every time you

1110
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,119
bet on yourself, it's paid off. So why wouldn't it pay off this

1111
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:09,640
time? I mean, I mean
you did it getting it out of high

1112
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,239
school. You negotiate together, I
mean all the way through. Yeah,

1113
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:15,520
I always I always had to try
something because it was like, look,

1114
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,640
I'm either going to try it and
fail or I'm not. I don't want

1115
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,359
to ever look back and say,
like I should have done that. Okay,

1116
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:27,880
So I bet on myself and it's
crazy because like I'm watching I did.

1117
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,840
I played really well during the preseason, but they weren't gonna let me

1118
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,479
start because they you know, they
knew that, Like I was an asshole

1119
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,920
for two years, a year and
a half whatever, and it's the p

1120
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:42,199
D thing. These are guys will
fuck with me in the in the locker

1121
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:44,720
room and be like hey draft or
came here, let's I got something for

1122
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,399
you. Like, but they knew
that I was a good person. I

1123
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,239
worked hard. But I'm saying,
like with the coaches and stuffy kind of

1124
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:55,079
everything kind of fell Away. They
knew like I had to like basically walk

1125
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:57,800
in the first couple of weeks with
my tail between my legs and just be

1126
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,520
like, look, you're gonna take
whatever comes your way. You're gonna feel

1127
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,039
like the size of an aunt at
times. You're gonna just walk in the

1128
01:12:05,119 --> 01:12:09,319
room when it gets all quiet and
people are looking at you, and like,

1129
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,279
you just have to deal with it. So I dealt with it.

1130
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:15,800
And then the contract I signed,
and then after the first game, I

1131
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:21,039
mean, it sucks for the guy. He tours ACL the first game,

1132
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:26,239
so that means I'm the starter for
the rest of the year. I hit

1133
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:29,800
every single bonus, So what does
that mean? Money in my contract?

1134
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,600
And it rolled into my next contract, and so I literally went from one

1135
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:39,760
fifty to two fifty and then just
kept climbing from there on and got on

1136
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,920
the national team. Where does that
come in? I played with the Ziggy

1137
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:45,920
Schmidt, which was a great He
ended up being a great coach. Didn't

1138
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,199
like him at first because I wanted
to play with Bruce Arena. Because I

1139
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:53,600
played with Bruce who was the national
team coach and then he was New York

1140
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,279
Red Bulls coach, and I played
with him and loved him, and that's

1141
01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,920
where I wanted to be in La
And then so Ziggy I trained played with

1142
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,840
him for a couple of years.
He was a great soccer mine, one

1143
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,960
of the best the US ever produced. And he threw in a good word

1144
01:13:10,039 --> 01:13:14,920
for me with Jurgen klinsming As when
he was the national team coach. So

1145
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,840
all this time, Bob Bradley ended
up getting the national team coach, and

1146
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,119
him and I couldn't stand each other
at one point, so Bob ended up

1147
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,760
like I never got a sniff to
go with the I just I knew it

1148
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,960
wasn't ever gonna happen. Was I
good enough? I probably wasn't consistently good

1149
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:31,359
enough, but I was. I
was there for a kid. I should

1150
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:34,399
have been called into a camp.
A little bit of politics play into this

1151
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,840
too, So then yeah, Bob
got fired after eight years, so I

1152
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,479
had just had to like suck it
up. And then Jurgen came in and

1153
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,920
I played two years with Oh yeah, I was on year two with Ziggy

1154
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:54,520
and I get my wife's pregnant and
she delivers our first kid, and I

1155
01:13:54,560 --> 01:14:00,359
get a phone call from the national
team in December, late December and they're

1156
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:04,000
like, Hey, a guy just
got hurt. We want you in camp.

1157
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:08,520
You're getting said you're the next guy
in let's go. So I'm like,

1158
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,279
oh, fuck, dude, I
haven't really trained because my wife had

1159
01:14:11,279 --> 01:14:14,720
a C section. I've been like
she broke her fifth meta tarsla on her

1160
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,560
foot. I'm like basically playing dad, like like mom as well at night.

1161
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,159
So like I'm like, it's been
really hard to train. I like,

1162
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:25,640
it's my first time with a kid. You don't say any of this

1163
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,840
to them, No, I do
later though. I do later when he

1164
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,840
when he calls me into camp,
and I'm like, I'm fit, but

1165
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,720
I'm not as fit as I should
be because like I had and I didn't

1166
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,680
know I was getting called into camp. Yeah, So I get into camp

1167
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:42,359
and he's like and I'm working my
ass off. And then they know because

1168
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:46,079
they everything's they do like fitness tests
like via two max I connected to your

1169
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:49,560
mouth and you run on a fucking
treadmill as hard as you can for as

1170
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,279
long as you can, and they
know it takes all your readings for your

1171
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,720
your you know your vitals, everything
like that, so they can they know

1172
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,279
if you're fit, like you can't. You can't fake. It can't fake

1173
01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:04,159
that ship. So I get to
the dine and he's like, Jeff,

1174
01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:10,199
you look pretty fit out on the
field, but your vo two tells me

1175
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:14,159
you're not. And I'm like,
I was like, you're going, you're

1176
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:17,640
You're right. I'm being honest with
you, Like my my wife just had

1177
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:23,520
a C section, you know,
I didn't know I was getting called into

1178
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:28,119
camp, like I wasn't really as
fit as I should be. But if

1179
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:31,279
you, if you let me kind
of push myself through this, I'll I'll

1180
01:15:31,319 --> 01:15:35,000
show that I'm fit and I'll make
sure that like you don't regret it.

1181
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:39,560
So I ended up like being one
of the fittest guys towards the end.

1182
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,560
It gave me a second chance.
Then and then it happens the next year

1183
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,720
too. It happens the next year
because my wife got pregnant. I didn't

1184
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,239
know we have we have Irish twins. Sure I have that sixteen months apart

1185
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:57,119
my guys and the same thing happens, and I'm like and this time,

1186
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:00,840
I'm like, I was like,
you're going, like, just let me

1187
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:05,439
ride this out. And he does, and I started taking all their supplements

1188
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:10,479
they were given and I ended up
having the highest view of two in camp,

1189
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,680
and they were like I never I
knew I was just a pond.

1190
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,880
I knew I wasn't like a guy
that was going to be with the national

1191
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,600
team because I was twenty nine at
the time. I'm like my careers,

1192
01:16:18,119 --> 01:16:20,720
like, you're not going to take
a chance with me when you got younger

1193
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,800
guys that are like really good too, you know. But I ended up

1194
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:30,199
getting a cap down and where was
it? Panama? I went in played

1195
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:34,520
there, I went to two camps, went all over with them. You

1196
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,840
know, what is Nike doing doing
all this? Not much? I mean

1197
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,319
I'm still that's still like yeah.
I was like, look at this point,

1198
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:45,880
like I can't really negotiate. I'm
not like gonna burn a bridge and

1199
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,199
just call the guy out and be
like, look I need more money.

1200
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:53,520
Like I wasn't really looking for it
like that. All I cared about is

1201
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:59,439
the product looking looking like an athlete, being part of something and you know,

1202
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,960
basically having it that. You know, all the other national team players

1203
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,640
and all the other people in camp
saw me getting my gear, saw me

1204
01:17:09,039 --> 01:17:13,279
like getting my boots delivered to me. You feel like you you kind of

1205
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:15,079
made it in a way where you
shit like I got my own you know,

1206
01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:18,399
I negotiated my own deal like which
most guys don't like. And I

1207
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,239
regret maybe some of that, like
I should have had a good agent where

1208
01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:24,359
I was like, dude, you
do all the work for me, yeah,

1209
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:27,760
like do everything. Yeah, But
I ended up developing the relationships.

1210
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,439
So it was like you've been on
yourself. You're a bit of a maverick,

1211
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,479
like all the way through because I
got screwed before where where the agent

1212
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,439
basically signed me a new deal but
he knew I wasn't making much more money.

1213
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,520
It's just that he wanted to collect
a percentage. And I basically told

1214
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,359
the fucking guy. I was like, I'll give you your like ten grand,

1215
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:46,560
but go fuck off. This is
the last time I ever pay you

1216
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:50,520
because like you basically basically shot me
in the foot. Now I'm tied in

1217
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,960
for you should have told me I
would have been tied in for another five

1218
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:59,520
years at a ship at a ship
deal. So when you are the national

1219
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,680
team ends, do you stay with
Seatten? Yeah? Yeah, I went

1220
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,399
back to Seattle the last year.
This was my last year with them.

1221
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,840
I on really spent three seasons,
but it was amazing there by far the

1222
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:15,079
best club. I mean we had
we had owners that were worth like five

1223
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:19,359
hundred million dollars. Drew Drew Carey
was an owner. Paul Allen wasn't it

1224
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:26,720
was an owner. Drew carry Joe
Roth, he was like big, big

1225
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:31,239
time in in Hollywood. He was. He did like the Johnny Depp What

1226
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:34,000
was that crazy movie that they did? He did. He's done a lot

1227
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:36,319
of movies, but at that time
when I was there, they were doing

1228
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:42,600
that crazy one. It was the
the old not play but the old movie

1229
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,640
Wanka. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, factor Yeah he redid that.

1230
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,199
Yeah, he redid that. So
he was out there and it was amazing.

1231
01:18:51,239 --> 01:18:57,079
You got everything you wanted, beautiful
training facility, forty five thousand season

1232
01:18:57,119 --> 01:19:00,600
ticket holders. Everybody knew you would
say, you know whatever. They felt

1233
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,039
like, however, you've been playing
on the street, ye supporting you,

1234
01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:08,720
you know, giving you everything that
you want, going to restaurants and stuff

1235
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,640
like. You felt like a pro. That was the first time in my

1236
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,960
life I felt like a pro.
Interesting And at that time, did the

1237
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:23,520
Galaxy sign Beckham? No, that
was before. So when I just left

1238
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,000
New York, we played against Beckham
the first game that he came to New

1239
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:30,159
York. We want I think it
was five four. Did that help soccer

1240
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:32,920
in the United States? It is
unbelievable, man, I mean it was.

1241
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,319
I don't know if it's as big. It's probably not as big as

1242
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,880
the Messy thing, because obviously,
Messi is arguably the best player to ever

1243
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,760
walk the planet, do you think
so? Yeah? Yeah, so even

1244
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:48,079
over Ronaldo is some people that debate
Ronaldo Ronaldo is a better maybe a better

1245
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:56,399
like score, but Messi is a
better teammate and he makes everybody else around

1246
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,720
them better. Yeah, I mean
Ronaldo not taking anything away from him.

1247
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,399
I still I think he's you know, sure one A or one B,

1248
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,720
whatever you want to call it.
And you know he's Messy at the end

1249
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,199
of his career then is that why? I mean he's at the end.

1250
01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:13,319
Yeah, he's I think thirty seven
now, so he's he's coming, He's

1251
01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:16,000
coming to an end of his career. He's still he's coming here. If

1252
01:20:16,039 --> 01:20:19,439
we're not as technically sound, just
a nice way to go out and make

1253
01:20:21,039 --> 01:20:27,680
he's getting he's getting a nice welcome
or you know, sending off because I

1254
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,560
mean, I I played against guys
that were I mean I've played against them

1255
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,319
all. Yeah, the only guy
I really like at the top of his

1256
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:35,600
game that I haven't I never got
the play against Ronado, but I played

1257
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:44,119
against what's his name, like Ronaldinho
at two, Iniesta, like all,

1258
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:48,159
like Rudy, like I played against
Kaku. I played against all these guys

1259
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:51,119
at the top of their game.
You know, at that time some of

1260
01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:57,199
the best players that ever. You
know, we were playing against you know,

1261
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,399
Barcela when that Barcela were in the
Champions Leagues. Yeah, and you

1262
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,520
know, obviously we're losing like five
six one, but you know we were

1263
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:09,239
out on the field with them and
being able to, you know, be

1264
01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:12,399
amongst some of the greatest players that
ever played. When did you know it

1265
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,399
was all kind of done for you
what? I never knew. So I

1266
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,880
literally woke up one morning and that's
why it's so hard. I woke up

1267
01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:26,800
and I couldn't really walk. My
equal librium was completely off. It was

1268
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,479
down in DC. I signed.
After I went from Seattle, I went

1269
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:35,439
to Philly, my hometown, and
I couldn't stand it there. I was

1270
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,359
like I told the coach, I
was like, I played for a year,

1271
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,960
I had a great year, and
I was like, I need to

1272
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,760
leave, like this is we're trading
at a fucking uh what's it called a

1273
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:53,399
park, like fifteen minutes away from
the stadium, like nothing, no consideration.

1274
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,199
No, obviously they were trying to
get to that point. But I'm

1275
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:57,960
like, look, I'm coming to
the end of my career. I just

1276
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:01,039
was on the national team. I'm
not like going to getting in a fifteen

1277
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:05,720
passenger van getting going to a park. Holy shit, you know, training

1278
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,640
in some like shit field, and
then like getting back in the van and

1279
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:15,439
going. It's like you went from
a class Seattle to like D class Philly.

1280
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,640
Wow. And they had a lot
of young, good players. That

1281
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,279
was one good thing. But I
told him I'm done and I was going

1282
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:25,680
back to Seattle because they would trying
to trade for me in the beginning of

1283
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,840
the year that year. Yeah,
and I said, oh, I'm good,

1284
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,279
I'm gonna stay here. And then
finally at the end of the year

1285
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:33,159
of Philly, I was like I'm
done. Like I told the coach,

1286
01:22:33,239 --> 01:22:35,119
I'm like, I'm out of here, man, like you gotta trade me.

1287
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:41,039
And DC Sweat like came in at
the last minute and offered Philly some

1288
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:45,960
great deal for like allocation and like
a position in like foreign draft pick or

1289
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,920
something or next draft, and I
went to DC and then I literally played.

1290
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:55,399
It went from the worst team they
were the worst team in the division

1291
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,760
to the best team. And then
I woke up one morning and my career

1292
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,520
was over. I could walk,
I couldn't really drive. What was going

1293
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,520
on? So I got I went
to see like a shipload of doctors.

1294
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:13,119
I went to Johns Hopkins. I
went to like George George Washington Hospital.

1295
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:16,000
I went and like had two ear
surgeries. They thought it was a busted

1296
01:23:16,079 --> 01:23:19,399
fistila in my ear where there was
like a puncture in your ear drum area.

1297
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:25,880
Then I finally went I didn't work. Went to Johns Hopkins, saw

1298
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:30,319
like the house of doctors with like
five six guys with them, and they

1299
01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:32,880
all were like, so when I
moved my head, my eyes keep ticking

1300
01:23:33,119 --> 01:23:36,159
like a like a one of those
grand clocks, you know what I mean.

1301
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,920
And they don't they stop very slowly. So like where I am,

1302
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,199
like you can't run around a soccer
field, like you feel like you're going

1303
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:53,760
to fall over. And it's so
there's a there's a canal in your ear

1304
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,000
that lets the fluid go in and
out and it tells you where you are

1305
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:01,399
in space. Well, I got
hit so many times in the head that

1306
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,800
you know, mine's like ten percent
open. That's from heading soccer, yes,

1307
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:10,079
and getting hit from heading everything.
I'm just getting the shit kicked out

1308
01:24:10,079 --> 01:24:13,920
of you. I had like seven
eight concussions like hardcore ones. Yeah,

1309
01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:16,520
that's interesting thing because we don't you
don't think as things like that. We

1310
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,960
don't think it concussions as much from
soccer. And I'll hear people go,

1311
01:24:20,319 --> 01:24:24,960
there's way more in soccer, and
I'm it's not as is it talked about.

1312
01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:27,720
Maybe I'm not in the soccer world, but I don't. Yeah,

1313
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,439
it's not as much in that world. You're not like, got to be

1314
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,720
careful today. Guys like, let's
not try to head the balls, and

1315
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,920
they're like, dude, let's work
on them. We're gonna lump balls into

1316
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,319
you and you're gonna head the ball
as far as you can't out of your

1317
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:42,239
space. And I'm like, shit, I hate that day. Like you

1318
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:45,840
do it like once every couple of
weeks, like just yea clearing balls out

1319
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,000
of your head and stuff, and
I'm like, fuck, your eyes are

1320
01:24:48,319 --> 01:24:53,600
like your your ears are ringing,
your eyes are like fluttering around, You're

1321
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,079
seeing black spots Like, I mean, you just did it, like you

1322
01:24:57,159 --> 01:24:59,600
didn't know. So that's how like
my career came to an end. Man,

1323
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,239
Like I literally woke up and that
was it improved. No, I'm

1324
01:25:02,279 --> 01:25:05,399
not really not at all now really, But the hardest thing for me was

1325
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:11,800
that, you know, I lost
my medical, so my my contract was

1326
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,239
void. They didn't sign me.
My medical was gone, and I had

1327
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:19,760
to find my own way on like
what's what what what's going on with my

1328
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:24,199
life? Like am I like gonna
be a vegetable or am I ever gonna

1329
01:25:24,279 --> 01:25:27,520
like be normal again? And like
they don't give a shit. It's it's

1330
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,039
it's a factory. They just pump
you through it. Nobody really does truly

1331
01:25:31,159 --> 01:25:38,079
care about like their athlete or there
you know that person that they're that's invested

1332
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:42,720
in your in your investment or your
team. Right. Yeah, I mean

1333
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,920
it was just like it was really
a tough pill for me to swallow it

1334
01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:48,880
and like I'm still bitter about it
because it was like magic, you know,

1335
01:25:49,119 --> 01:25:53,680
whatever profession you had, Like your
guy got hurt and you're like all

1336
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,479
right, yeah, good luck,
go find your own doctor. You don't

1337
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,760
have medical anymore. And we're not
paying you and uh, yeah it's time.

1338
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,359
See you later, but thanks,
next guy up. Will they do

1339
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:09,279
anything along the lines of the NFL, because you can't be the only guy

1340
01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:13,560
that something like this has happened to
at the professional soccer Dude, there's guys

1341
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,439
that got all kinds of lawsuits and
stuff that I know from stuff like that.

1342
01:26:17,159 --> 01:26:20,560
It's any class action that you can
I don't know. I don't I

1343
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:25,279
really have lost touch with the league, so I don't really follow too many,

1344
01:26:25,359 --> 01:26:28,119
but I know there was one or
two cases that were going through.

1345
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:36,119
They went to like serious like parts
of the of that like lawsuit. But

1346
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:42,119
I don't know whatever happened to it
because it was like, it's so there's

1347
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:46,720
so many things at play, like
did he like unwillingly go back on in

1348
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,880
the field? Did he did they
let him go on the field. Did

1349
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,680
it happened right at that moment?
Lawyer? You know, I mean,

1350
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,439
it's just like things get so caught
up. You know who it was,

1351
01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:00,479
So what do you what do you
do after so this ends, you go

1352
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:06,239
through that, you realize that soccer's
over. Any chance to coach at that

1353
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:10,399
level, any desire to do that. I wanted to, but then I

1354
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:15,760
was like, my wife's parents were
doing good work, so I wanted to,

1355
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,159
like I wanted to see if I
could get a different identity. Okay,

1356
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:23,359
do I wish I stayed with soccer? Yeah? I do wish I

1357
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,640
did. I wish I was involved
in it, But at that time I

1358
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,399
was so angry sure of how I
was treated. And then like I tried

1359
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,960
a couple different like contacts that I
had, but they were like, oh,

1360
01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:36,560
well, you're gonna have to you
know, work at the youth level

1361
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:40,720
and then work your way back up. And I'm like, damn, dude,

1362
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,000
do I want to make like I
just I wasn't making great money,

1363
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:45,319
but I was making good money,
and like, do I want to like

1364
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:50,520
barely make money and then just be
working? Like yeah, because they're gonna,

1365
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,920
like, I know what happens.
They flip you from one team to

1366
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,359
the next team, and then you're
running camps, then you're running this Then

1367
01:27:56,399 --> 01:27:59,239
you're gonna have to come in and
do like, you know, promos you're

1368
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:01,239
gonna have to do because you're a
former player, You're gonna have to do

1369
01:28:01,359 --> 01:28:04,000
some interviews. You're gonna have to
I know, I know the game,

1370
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:08,039
and it's like I do you want
to work your way all the way back

1371
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:13,840
up to like head coach or and
there's like a ship ton of levels and

1372
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,079
you're not I went from working like, let's say, from eight in the

1373
01:28:16,119 --> 01:28:20,720
morning till like two o'clock in the
afternoon, not complaining about it, but

1374
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,520
you go being a coach, you're
working from eight in the morning until like

1375
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:29,600
five maybe seven o'clock at night because
you've got a night practice and you're getting

1376
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,920
paid a third of what you were
getting paid before. About like going to

1377
01:28:32,039 --> 01:28:35,920
Drexel, I thought about that too, but then it was like Drexel is

1378
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:42,119
a it's not a soccer powerhouse.
Could I make it one if I was.

1379
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:45,760
There's no guarantees because I might not
be a good coach. Yeah,

1380
01:28:47,119 --> 01:28:50,880
but they don't have the facilities,
or they didn't have the facilities at the

1381
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:56,880
time. Maybe they're getting better now. It's not a campus, I think

1382
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,000
if the campus doesn't have the field, it's not like a like a Penn

1383
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:04,359
State or Maryland, like where the
you know, the fields are right there,

1384
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:09,439
right there. It's like seven eight
blocks away in West Philly, which

1385
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,560
isn't really the best area. How
many things we learn that from fresh Princeville

1386
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:18,239
air fresh Philadelphia, board and raised. Right there we go. It's legit

1387
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,840
there you can you can. You
go down the wrong street, you might

1388
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:26,760
not be coming back in one piece. So how do you get from Seattle

1389
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,640
to Kenny Bunk here? I mean
we're sitting here. No, I was

1390
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:36,359
in. I came back to pay
did my thing for a while. Then

1391
01:29:36,399 --> 01:29:40,640
I went to what was your thing? I just kind of bopped around,

1392
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:45,439
did some like you know, jobs
here, jobs there, train here,

1393
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,560
train there. I was going to
do a youth program. Then realize I

1394
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,640
was like getting into with the wrong
people or I'm like I don't want to

1395
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,880
be doing all their work for them, like they're just using my name and

1396
01:29:56,359 --> 01:29:58,680
that I'm gonna have to do all
the work and they're not gonna do shit.

1397
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,560
So I started doing different ventures and
stuff, and then I got into

1398
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:08,199
the environmental world and run an environmental
company out of I was in New York,

1399
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:12,319
living in North Jersey and some of
the biggest hospitals in the country,

1400
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,159
basically getting rid of all the bad
stuff out of buildings and stuff and then

1401
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,479
do similar work up here. Yeah, but we I was like, oh,

1402
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:27,079
they got like some of the old
oldest housing stock in the country.

1403
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:31,640
So here here, Yes, So
I'm like, my yeah, the odds

1404
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,600
of me finding more business up there
is going to be good because A they

1405
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:41,159
got less people and b they got
a lot of homes that and commercial properties

1406
01:30:41,239 --> 01:30:45,119
and places that need that service.
So you ever wanted to go be like

1407
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:48,800
a personal trainer, even for somebody
where you could do at the private level.

1408
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,880
I mean think of guys like yourself
that were, hey, man,

1409
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:56,479
if I just had this, I
could get to the national team. Yeah,

1410
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,600
I mean what it takes. Yeah, if I wish, I kind

1411
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,479
of did it. The toughest part
about that is, like again, it's

1412
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:06,760
all hustle. It's hustle man and
finding the people that are willing to pay

1413
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:12,720
and yeah, and it's like I
kind of wanted like a normal, like

1414
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,159
I'm home on the weekends type of
life because the soccer world isn't. You're

1415
01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:20,880
gone, like, like I told
you, like forty probably forty times a

1416
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:26,800
year for a week in the preseason
you're gone for like three weeks stretches normally,

1417
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,039
and then you know during the year, you're gone every other weekend.

1418
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,600
Just how it is like and if
you're a coach, you might be gone

1419
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,479
for like a week at a time
because you're or a scout, you're gone

1420
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,920
for Like I know the guys that
started, they were scouts before they got

1421
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:45,479
to certain stuff, and they were
gone for you know, two months down

1422
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,479
in South America and then they would
fly to Africa and then they'd be like

1423
01:31:48,079 --> 01:31:51,520
they just and you fly to all
the ship places you're like to find this,

1424
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:57,000
like this diamond in the rough.
You know. So what about now

1425
01:31:57,119 --> 01:32:00,000
in terms of your own fitness and
stuff? Do you keep it? In

1426
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:04,800
so many years being very disciplined,
do you still keep some sort of discipline?

1427
01:32:05,399 --> 01:32:10,640
Not really? I mean obviously I
eat right, yes, But the

1428
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:15,119
hardest thing for me is like I'm
dizzy as shit when I'm doing these exercises,

1429
01:32:15,239 --> 01:32:18,399
Like I feel like I could fall
over. So it and like I

1430
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:23,800
always say to people, it's like
it's hard to push yourself when you don't

1431
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:27,119
really have a big end goal,
right, Like when you're an athlete and

1432
01:32:27,319 --> 01:32:30,479
you're in a team sport, you
got the amazing locker room, and then

1433
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,960
you have that goal and you're all
working your ass off to get to that

1434
01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:38,840
goal, and then you have your
personal goals. When you're in a real

1435
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:44,279
world in life, it's like maybe
I should set myself a goal of like

1436
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,159
and on the athletic side, like
I don't know, maybe a five k

1437
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,760
or running a marathon, But can
you do it with them? That's the

1438
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,399
thing. It's like sometimes it feels
all right, and other times it's like,

1439
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,840
dude, I'm like all over the
place. There's nothing they can do

1440
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,279
for that. They can't. They
say, there's a surgery that they could

1441
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:03,920
try, and if they mess up, you're going to be a vegetable the

1442
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,680
best of your life. Jesus,
yeah, because you'll be like sick.

1443
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,079
So it was like yeah, and
then they're like, Jeff will call you

1444
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:15,199
when those cocolar implants come in that
we've been testing on monkeys and we'll see

1445
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:17,680
if it works for you. And
I'm like, fuck, I want to

1446
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:21,520
put that in the back of my
head my skull and then have it connected

1447
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:26,279
to my ear and then like no
way, man, yeah, Like I

1448
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:29,960
don't want to take that chance.
So what did you learn from sports?

1449
01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:32,279
What do they what do they teach
you? I mean to me, I'm

1450
01:33:32,399 --> 01:33:39,399
just talking to you. I will
I see a guy that uh learned a

1451
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,840
lot about his own self resilience,
Yeah, I mean all of that.

1452
01:33:43,119 --> 01:33:47,239
So every obstacle every time it came
down to I gotta do this, not

1453
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,760
get to the national team. You
know, push yourself further than probably most

1454
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:57,079
guys even in professional soccer, trying
to get on the European team. I

1455
01:33:57,159 --> 01:33:59,479
mean maybe there are other guys too, I don't know, but I would.

1456
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,359
But that's that's amazing with no real
I don't want to say no real

1457
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,159
support basis because that doesn't seem fair. Your parents certainly went and tried to

1458
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:11,479
do what they could, but it
sounds like nobody that's they're going, hey,

1459
01:34:12,079 --> 01:34:14,560
you got to do this. Yeah, I mean, it's just all

1460
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,560
self starter. It's I think it
was self start because of the timing,

1461
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,520
you know what I mean, Like
if I was working now to that same

1462
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:28,199
goal, you'd you'd have that you'd
be able to access that easier. Yes,

1463
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:30,760
you know you have. You can
emulate people, you can watch people,

1464
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,840
you can train like people. You
can get a trainer because they're everywhere

1465
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:38,800
now. So I think that,
you know, it was just about the

1466
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:45,520
resources I had. Obviously, my
parents gave me maybe not the sports you

1467
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:49,239
know, direction, but they gave
me the direction of what it takes to

1468
01:34:50,279 --> 01:34:54,680
the end where where that goal is
or what you want to be in life,

1469
01:34:55,199 --> 01:34:59,560
you know, and I and I
struggle now because it's like it's it's

1470
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:01,840
it's it's not sports, it's not
you know, you're you're at a different

1471
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:08,720
part that's a lot harder in life
where you're coming off of that high and

1472
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:14,920
you're you're trying to like re establish
yourself and live a good life and find

1473
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,319
a good path and and and a
good balance. But you don't have,

1474
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:24,600
you know, that same drive that
you did as an athlete. And that's

1475
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:28,439
the but like it's it's like anything
in life, you just got to keep

1476
01:35:29,319 --> 01:35:34,560
pushing and keep finding. Did you
use sports psychologists throughout or any became big

1477
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:39,359
now? Yeah, it's big Now
it wasn't post for yourself, Like that's

1478
01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:44,800
a big transitional stuff. No.
No, I you know one of my

1479
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:49,079
friends that I played with, he
became a sports or his team became a

1480
01:35:49,359 --> 01:35:55,479
like his group became a good They
wanted to build a business that they would

1481
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:59,880
help athletes. All the MLS guys
like hotlines and stuff that you can call

1482
01:36:00,199 --> 01:36:02,520
and people you can talk to or
we can fly to see you. Because

1483
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,960
mental health became such a big thing
that none of us, we didn't know

1484
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,359
what mental health was when we were
first playing. And shit, if you

1485
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,199
if you said you were a little
bit feeling a little bad today, yeah,

1486
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:16,239
because you go, yeah, okay, go sit on the bench and

1487
01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:18,560
I'll talk to you in like a
couple of weeks. When it's you know

1488
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,720
that that's how it was, Like
it didn't or you're like in a funk,

1489
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,840
like you weren't feeling good, like
they called a slump. You know,

1490
01:36:26,039 --> 01:36:29,479
like we can't use you because you
suck right now. It's just how

1491
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:30,319
it was. I mean, the
thing is like, do we go too

1492
01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:34,199
far or there should be a little
more suck it up and push through.

1493
01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:36,600
I think there's gotta be a good
balance. Yeah, that's tough, I

1494
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:41,239
feel like, but it's it's delicate, man, It's like it is delicate,

1495
01:36:41,239 --> 01:36:44,520
but it's also well, it's one
of these things where you know,

1496
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:46,600
if somebody said, I can look
at you, go you don't feel well

1497
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,319
today, I can see it.
Yeah, right, Or you're injured and

1498
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:53,319
this is I can see it and
you've got to recover. We can't see

1499
01:36:53,359 --> 01:36:55,720
this stuff in the head and we
go, why is that person being an

1500
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,720
asshole? Or what's wrong? You
know? So there's that sort of thing,

1501
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,239
but you do coach your daughter's team. Yeah, I just I got

1502
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:06,960
this my second little season. I
guess you'd go. We had the spring

1503
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:11,640
and now we got the actual fall. It's hard, it's fun, it's

1504
01:37:12,119 --> 01:37:15,279
it's not hard. It's uh,
the patience is hard. That's what I

1505
01:37:15,319 --> 01:37:18,359
mean. I mean because you were
yeah, because you see things you played

1506
01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:23,119
at the top. Yeah. Yeah, and with my kids catching my kids

1507
01:37:23,279 --> 01:37:26,479
stuff, because they basically look at
me like I'm an asshole, Like why

1508
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,439
do you push trying to push me
so hard? I'm like, because I

1509
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:30,239
see potential in you. Yeah.
Like if I don't give a shit about

1510
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,640
you, I'll just be I won't
say a word. I'll just kind of

1511
01:37:34,039 --> 01:37:36,960
graze over you and just say,
hey, let's go girls, and uh,

1512
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,279
let's see if you can try this. I always think, like I

1513
01:37:42,039 --> 01:37:46,680
try sometimes to think of professional athletes
whose kids also played at the professional level,

1514
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:54,359
and very few have ever surpassed the
parent that played at the professional level.

1515
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,439
Some did. I mean you had
Ken Griffey Junior was better than his

1516
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,720
dad. Yeah, but a lot
of these guys had it. It's almost

1517
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,319
like you had it too easy,
you know. You hear Michael Jordan's kid

1518
01:38:02,399 --> 01:38:08,079
go. I never flew commercial until
I was twenty one years old. You

1519
01:38:08,119 --> 01:38:11,520
know what I mean. It's a
different life where there is something about that

1520
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:17,279
always that drive that almost comes from
the I don't want to say lack,

1521
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,399
but there's this I'm gonna. I
don't know what it is. You know,

1522
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,319
I have all this, Why am
I gonna? Why do I need

1523
01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:27,119
to go outside? I got a
flat screen TV and air conditioning. Netflix,

1524
01:38:27,159 --> 01:38:30,079
I'm fucking fantastic. You porns here. I'm fine, I'm putting on

1525
01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:35,880
good but but this is something where
I wonder sometimes if you're gonna see uh,

1526
01:38:36,039 --> 01:38:40,479
stuff dropping? Maybe not because we've
you know, everything's right here,

1527
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,119
everything's right here. Yeah, all
available now is And that's the tough thing

1528
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:47,399
about it. It's like getting your
kids to you know, go outside and

1529
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:51,359
yeah, put the phone down,
right, the tablet down and not have

1530
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:57,920
a fit for a couple hours.
It's like a chart. Yet there's some

1531
01:38:58,079 --> 01:39:00,920
good stuff, like as you said, the actually to training in this year.

1532
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:02,399
I mean, I have a thirteen
year old who's got a motor in

1533
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:06,239
him and he's finding guys online that
are like you. Now. He started

1534
01:39:06,279 --> 01:39:10,319
a window washing business and made a
couple hundred dollars. He was cleaning out

1535
01:39:10,359 --> 01:39:13,479
garbage cans, and he's got that
motor to go and do those things.

1536
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:16,000
And some of that is the influence
that he's seeing online. And on the

1537
01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:19,039
other hand, there's you know,
the bad with it. So I don't

1538
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:23,159
like anything. There's good and bad, but I do think it takes drive.

1539
01:39:23,239 --> 01:39:26,920
It's I'm really impressed. This has
been a lot of fun talking to

1540
01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:31,640
I had no ideas. It's fascinating. I always say to people, it's

1541
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,359
never a straight path to wherever you
want to be. No, it's never

1542
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:38,720
a straight path. That's a that's
a good point. It's not. And

1543
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,079
there's many different ways to get there. But god damn, that's uh.

1544
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,760
I just love the always coming to
that crossroad like I mean, They're gonna

1545
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:46,880
make it or I'm not. I'm
gonna make it or I'm not. And

1546
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:50,720
every time better myself, right down
to the contract. I'll bet on myself.

1547
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:55,439
And that's that's the way everybody should
do it. Well, we'll wrap

1548
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,760
it up. I think we took
more time than anybody expected, so I

1549
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:04,279
apologize. I kept no good.
This's great man for Jeff Park professional soccer

1550
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:15,079
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1551
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