Off of a weekend that has seen There's no Other Way to Sugarcoated, a
horrible title defense by Regis Progray, a tremendous first round knockout by Tim Zoo,
a weekend that has seen us salute dads for Father's Day, We are
back in here on the Fight Preach Unite Recap podcast as part of the Big
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He is our insider from his Fight Freach Unite substack and Big Fight Weekend dot
Com. Hello, Happy Father's Day, one last time, Dan rayphel how
are you feeling. I'm good. Happy Father's Day to you also and to
everybody that's out there listening to us. Raphael would like you to know that
not only has he gotten Father's Day brunch, and I believe I have this
correct. I thought the brunch was happening and it has already concluded. All
right, so the brunch, the brunch did not happen. However, mom
and niece have come into town. You are saying, you are confirming proof
of life. You have survived the relatives for the weekend. We're good on
that front. For Father's Day. Yeah, we've had. This has been
like family like month. I guess because last week my in laws were in
town. My father in law and my wife's step mom were here for about
a week, had like I think two days in between, as my mother
said, changed the sheets in the guest room because the next team is coming.
So then my niece and my mom are in town. My niece was
about to be twenty years old in a few weeks, and my mother come
to visit for a few days. And on Father's Day, I saw my
family off and they went into a beautiful Washington, DC to the Kennedy Center
to see a play. Rayfiel doesn't do plays, Rayfield does. Rayfield does
the Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. Yes, so you were texting me,
just so everybody knows, we typically do this later in the day on Sunday,
but you're like, can we do this? And I said, sure,
we can do this later this afternoon before I go to dinner with my
wife and my twin daughters. And you're like, no, can we do
this now? And it's just as you just described on the text message.
And I did literally laugh out loud. You put the wife, her mother
in law, my mother and the crew has gone to the Kennedy Center to
a play, and Rayfield don't do plays, so you were ready to go.
I love that about you. We are all good here. It is
good to have some culture every now. And by the way, you were
selling yourself short. You did your son's play, which we understand because that's
your offspring. But he put on a tremendous performance, as we talked about
on a previous podcast. And look, I promise we're gonna get to the
fight recaps. But my god, this is gonna be better than bashing Regions
program for whatever that title defense was, so stand by. But your son,
let me get this straight, was Abraham Lincoln No. No. Five
dollar bill. He was a keyboard and a tennis ball in the same play
earlier this school year, earlier this school year. But then there was another
play after that that we just had a weeks ago, okay, where he
was a different That was James and the Giant Peach. He was a giant
peach. Well, there's a story, like a kids story called James and
the Giant Peach. James he was a character, uh, the narrator in
that in that particular play. And so but that's different I'm you gotta go
to see your kids. Of course, just finished the fourth grade. Of
course, I'm talking about paying money to go to Washington to see a play.
I have no interest in on a Sunday afternoon when I'd rather do my
pet. Yes yet, but all I'm saying is, young Rayphael deserves a
local Tony nomination for versatility of having played the five dollar bill the keyboard in
the tennis ball. We gotta make that happen in a single in a single
play. I mean that is Charlton Heston esque. That is I mean that
is Tom Hanks named the Great Actors in the Academy of n Nicholson, I
meaning chauvinistic. Who could I go with Meryl Streep, h Sigourney Weaver or
whomever from the female side of things? Uh, command performance, command,
perform us and yes a boss move by you send them off with good money
and good tickets to the play while you and I do the boxing podcast.
This is a tremendous move. And then when we're done, I can go
relax. I'm gonna watches Baba. Yes, you're gonna watch a little baseball.
I'm going out to dinner with the family. We got the golf on
later tonight. You and I've never talked. You're not a golf guy.
I know you're a You're a boxing silence guys. Okay, hockey, you
can't stand, but that's all right. But anyway, the golf is on
LAK tonight as we're taping. So boxing boxing for you, boxing, basketball,
baseball, do basketball basketball, Yankees baseball. There we go. All
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Note it is confirmed, Raphael, I am headed to Las Vegas with you
as part of Errol Spence and Terence Crawford Fight Week in Las Vegas late July
for that Saturday night July twenty ninth, and I look forward to being there
with you, and, as we joked, not only on this podcast but
the bet Us show, that will be the first time, allegedly, when
it happens, unless it happens before that, you and I will be in
the same setting, in the same room together. We have virtually been like
married couple since the middle of last year, but we have not literally been
in the same building, the same room. Yet. What a wonderful world
of technology we're in. I'm looking forward to being there. I will alert
the authorities in Las Vegas people, Yes, get the peeps ready. We
got we got food to consume, we got Fight Week, we got all
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are we doing a lot? I'm like Rayfield, we got this, we
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time. It should conceivably be easier to execute this stuff, not harder.
So we'll see how that goes. But yes, I am officially booked.
You're officially booked. So it's getting real now for that fight coming up,
and so we look forward to that. All right, let's get into it.
Let's begin on the happier note of what Tim Zoo did in short order
in Australia Sunday afternoon Saturday night, US time in defense of his WBO one
hundred fifty four pound interim title, a demolition job on Carlos Ocampo. I
will be the first one to admit I thought he would win, and I
thought he would win early. But my god, that was Tyson esque.
What do you make of that? Was Ocampo just completely intimidated in part and
got himself destroyed. What do you make of Zoo taking a minute seventeen to
wipe him out? He finished the fight in shorter time frame. Then sometimes
it takes you to introduce the show, yes, correct or build that up
just then. I think you might have taken less than one seventeen. It
took one seventeen for the fight. It might have taken more than one seventeen
for me to build that up. Yes, I do not believe he was
intimidated. I believe he is just not that good, defensively deficient and is
not in the same realm of boxer as Tim Zoo, who is fighting like
a man possessed. I mean this fight, the Tony Harrison fight, obviously
that that lasted a lot longer because Tony Arison's a legitimate, quality professional fighter,
and I'm gonna say that Carlos Ocampo is. I'm not saying that he's
not a hard working guy. I'm trying to insult him. It's just the
talent level is just dramatically different. As many people like to say. In
this business, there are levels, and we saw not just a different into
one level, but three or four or five levels. He's just not very
good. He doesn't have any defense, he's not very fast. That's the
big thing is he didn't know how to get out of the way, didn't
know how to tie him up, and my god, let he got hurt
with the first punch of the fight, and it was his legs. As
I thought. A showtime announcer Maro Rolano had the best line where he basically
said, you know he's on roller skates. You know, because he was
like all over the place with his legs after like he got hit with a
shot and he was backing into the ropes. He just and listen. It
was sort of like, you know, the question was, Okay, is
he is he as bad as he was when Errol Spence knocked him out in
twenty eighteen and round one or is he at least on a better level where
he may have lost lopsidedly. But he went twelve rounds against Sebastian Pandora at
one hundred and fifty four pounds. That was two fights ago. I think
based on the evidence that we saw from Tim Zoo, he's more on the
realm of what we saw against Errol Spence. Now he's been wiped out and
just pummeled in the first round by obviously quality opponents, and he's on more
on the you're no good level than he is what he was maybe when he
fought Fandora, who has shown that he's maybe not on that level either.
Maybe he's not as bad as o'campoll, But I don't know if Fandor is
going to get to the level of an Arrow Spence or Tim Zoo. Look,
Tim Zoo, he's the hell of a fighter. He's the best fighter
in Australia right now. He's a bonafide contender. He has the interim title.
He's been waiting for the fight against the undisputed champion Charlot and now for
a while they were supposed to find in January, and I think that he
did when a lot of fighters don't do, which he didn't just sit around
and wait for this shot where it was kind of nebulous when it would be
he fought in a March against Harrison risk that mandatory position, came back against
o'campo. Now, I mean it's a calculated risk. I don't think they
thought he was gonna lose. But again, it's boxing, dude. You
never know what happens when the when the punchers start flying. And now he's
taken two fights in the span of like three four months. He scored knockouts
in both. And let me tell you when this fight between him and Charlo,
assuming it does take place now the WBO says it's supposed to be in
the ring and consummated by you know, the fight actually happens no later than
September thirty. In his post fight interview, Tim Zoo said that he was
looking forward to seeing him in October. Now, I assume if Charlo and
Tim and their and their handlers go to the w BO and say, we
understand, you gave us a September thirty deadline, but by the way,
you know the fight schedule for October sixth or whatever the data is, I
don't. I knowing the w BO and Paco of our cars from the w
BO and the way they operate, they're not gonna say no. They're gonna
say okay, and that'll take place. So the point is when this fight
happens in the in the fall, assuming that everything goes through, when Charlo
is recovered. Here's the thing. Tim Zoo as sharp as a razor right
now. I mean he's acting. I mean activity is important. I mean
we talked about it all the time. The lack of activity from some of
the biggest names and best fighters in the business, in my opinion, is
one of the things that paralyzes the sport worse than anything. So he's now
going to have in three fights, which in our day ages like you might
as well be fighting every day. Whereas Charlot, I mean, it's not
his fault if he was injured fair enough. But he's now gonna have been
out, you know, for quite a while, over a year. I
get well over a year. And it wasn't like he was the most active
guy even before he had the understand point he has. He has the one
fight against Castagno in May of last year, and I just looked it up,
and the previous fight before that was in July of twenty twenty one.
So if we fast forward to September or October, that's one fight in like
twenty eight months. And Sue has fought several times in that. He fought
in the United States before that. I mean he's been he was active in
Australia before that in fights that uh you know, we're we're actually streamed on
ESPN Plus here in the United States. Now he's been fighting his last few
fights on Showtime. Look, he's a he's a devastating puncher. He's a
man possessed. He's got like a dog attitude, not to use as I
don't mean that as a pun based on his dog bight, he's got that
dog mentality. Um, you know, the joke is, as I joked,
I said, you know, if Tim Zoo's gonna fight like that,
he should get bit by a pitball three weeks before every fight he has.
He was really a good last night. I mean, he was highly motivated.
He was highly motivated, and he immediately was calling out as Charlo after
this was over about that, do you as I do, I'm skeptical.
Do you believe now that on the basis of having watched him knock Harrison out
and having watched what happened here against Ocampo, that we may be less likely
to see Charlo Or do you believe it's such a lucrative fight that if Jamel
Charlo is coming back, and if Jamel Charlo is defending his titles, it's
got to be Tim Zoo here for the money and for the legitimacy and the
other reasons. Because I'm just I'm a little skeptical right now that we're actually
going to see this versus Okay, maybe Jamel Charlo just says I'll drop the
w BO belt and I'll fight somebody else. They'll elevate me. What do
you what do you perceive if he does drop the WBO belt, he's going
to be jammed up with another mandatory anyway, Remember he's got multiple mandats or
to handle he's got the mandatory in the IBF, he's got the mandatory in
the WBC. You know you've got you've got a lot of guys, and
then those are not going to pay as much money as a Tim Zoo fight.
A Tim Zoo is a premium kind of fight. It's like about the
best level fight Showtime can do without putting it on pay per view. Uh.
And I would certainly hope if that fight comes about, it won't be
on pay per view. I don't think it will, but you never know.
When it was scheduled for January twenty eighth, it wasn't going to be
a pay per view. And it's a it's a it's a really that's a
that's the way if you're buying a subscription to a premium outlet, be it
a streaming service or a premium cable network. Uh. That's the kind of
main event I expect as a paying customer. That's a quality fight. There'll
be a lot of people that think that Charlote will get beat at night,
there's a lot of people think that he'll beat Zoo. One thing I saw
an interview I believe it was on It was a clip that Showtime put out,
So it's on what's the podcast they do with the NBA. Former NBA
star Stephen Jacks say, gimme five bonus points the smoke? All that smoke,
I think or all the Smoke is the podcast they do one audio.
Saw the clip and I actually like what Charlot was saying where he's not he's
never been a guy that's just strictly looking to protect the yo. I think
Charlo just as a as an athlete, as a fighter, he wants to
fight the better guys and if he gets beat, he gets beat. As
he said in this clip that I saw. I think that's a great attitude
because no one's gonna if you go in you fight enough that this is what
I don't fighters don't understand this, A lot of them. Charlo does,
I think, I think Tim Zoo does. If you go in the ring
and you fight another quality guy, someone's gonna win, someone's gonna lose.
But if you are the guy that loses, I don't think most people are
gonna hold that against you. They didn't hold it against There's every great fighter
you can think of. Other than a few select fighters have lost, and
they typically when they have lost, it's been to the best guys. You
know, did people criticize I mean, yeah, they criticize maybe in the
moment, but in the longer scheme of their careers. Do people criticize Ray
Leonard because he lost to Roberto Duran? Do they criticize Duran because you know
he lost, you know, to Tommy Hearns by a knockout? Do they
criticize I mean, Manny Pakio lost to Floyd or whatever. I mean,
the great fighters are gonna lose. I mean, it's just the way it
goes. And what happens is when you fight the other best guys, you
can make yourself even bigger because of the fact that you guys did go in
the ring. You you know, you help. Fighters need each other to
build their own resumes, their own legacies. And I think Charlo and Zoo
is a really outstanding fight. It's probably in my mind, especially based on
the way Tim Zoo has fought recently, it's probably just about one of the
better fights you can make. And if you would think back to the ways
of the fights went between Charlot and Castagno their first fight and their second fight,
the first fight was called to draw, the second fight he won and
became undisputed. Those are both outstanding fights too, So I just think that
if that fight does happen in the fall, it's a big one. I'm
excited. It's a kind of It's the kind of fight I would want to
travel to to go see. You know. I haven't David said the data
where it's going to take place or anything like that yet, but he made
that fight bigger by the way he's handling his business in March against Harrison and
the way he did last night against o'campo. And if he hadn't taken these
intern fights and we're just waiting around for a year half of the fight,
there wouldn't be as much interest. Now. I believe boxing fans are even
more interested seeing that fight today than they were, you know recently. So
great matchup. Hope it happens. And every time I see him fight man,
it reminds me of his old man Costazu, why I covered in near
the end of his career, and the right hand is something special and the
mentality is the same thing. Yeah, it wasn't affected by the dog bite
that we were worrying about. Literally that was up on top of the forearm
by the elbow no effect whatsoever. And I loved the commentary being done by
Marl Ronaldo and Al Bernstein and abder Marez was being done in the studio in
New York, and Al was trying to get a key or two, a
key out of his mouth, a key to victory. And he even stopped
himself and went all big right hand right away. You know, there's several
thousand miles away, seven or eight thousand miles away from Australia watching this on
TV, but he just blasted Ocampo. And I agree with you. I
think it has hyped this fight even more. That is a huge pay per
view in Australia at whatever level, whatever they charge, when Zoo fights for
these four belts against Charlo, He's that big of a deal for some Australian
pay per view market with the way that they built it up. And here's
hoping they get it done. Here's hoping that it gets to that point.
I mean, just one more We don't have to go for five more minutes.
But it is incumbent right now on Jamel Charlo and his camp to tell
us how healthy are you and are you ready to go? Whether it's remember
one for October, let's go. Remember one thing, it's Charlot. I
don't believe it's trying to avoid the fight at all. And the reason I
say that is because he signed a contract to fight him in January, so
I don't know that the terms of that haven't maybe extended for a year or
whatever to do. But there is definitely hold on. There's one hundred percent
unless they did something completely different than ever before. There was definitely postponement language
in that agreement. Now, did it last six months? Probably? The
last nine months, not likely, But the point is they already have a
deal that they signed, they're happy with in terms of the money and all
the particulars, so there should be no reason they can't go back into that.
I cannot I'm not going along. I really do to you. I
cannot believe and do not go along with it. He's had two more fights
and he's not going to ask for more money after he won them both,
so that then maybe it is a time limit. But also if you fought
twice after that, you shouldn't be beholden to whatever the previous contract was when
the other guy couldn't fight. And we'll also remember this well because it's a
mandatory fight if they really if that contract is no longer enforced and they really
want to get cute, it could go to a purse bit and finish it.
And if No Limit Boxing get out bids, it could end up in
Australia too. So I don't think the Charlos would want that. I don't
think Premiere Boxing should. I mean Showtime would have some say over that,
obviously. I think they're planning their intentions that fight takes place in the United
States, and certainly the amount of money that Showtime would pay in my knowledge
of the way that they operate is that it would be a higher license fee
to have it here in the United States. It would be it was in
Australia, and in Australia it's going to be at the same time, so
they're fans there. It's not going to be messed up because they do the
fights in the afternoon anyway, and that pay per view would not be impacted
by sometimes you know here in America, if you're fighting in Europe, it's
not good for a pay per view fight here because the time is not conducive
to that. So the bottom line is, I'm gonna be optimistic. I'm
gonna say I'll see you guys in late September early October, and that that
fight is going to happen all right, by the way, a very entertaining
co feature fight. Give me some quick analysis on Sam Goodman the Australian upsetting
Raisa Lime originally born in Michigan, been fighting out of Las Vegas for about
the last ten years. Alaim suffers his first loss. He took a risk,
he went and fought Goodman in Australia on the undercard to the Zoo Fight,
and Goodman got the decision win. Some quick thoughts, Dan, I
don't know what the exact odds were because we didn't pick it on our show,
but I didn't really consider that big of an upset. I mean,
they were both on Laim was like two to one when I looked at it.
A lim on the bet Us line was like a two to one favorite,
okay, but he was still going to USh shellya. And the other
guy was also undefeated who had a couple of solid wins on his record as
well, not huge wins, but he had beaten, for example, t
J. Dohaney was a former champion. It's pretty good, nothing spectacular,
but that's a solid win. So I felt like it was probably an even
type of fight, and if he had a tip of guy, you know,
you might lean towards the hometown guy. But nonetheless, like you said,
they put on a good fight. It was an entertaining matchup. He
wins a split decision. Really, it was a kind of a let's call
it a tale of two fights, if you will. It was pretty much
a leam who really pulled into a good lead in the in the first half
of the fight, worked a body really well, and then with the urging
of his corner, I think it was after a round seven. I guess
maybe it was round six. I forget which one it was, but the
corner of Sam Goodman was telling him, you gotta win the rest of the
fight. You gotta win every round if you want to get that get this,
get this fight done, and and and whether those words were what sparked
it or otherwise, but Sam Goodman came alive and and did an outstanding job
over those last I guess it was five rounds where he won most of them.
He was busier, he landed more punches. I thought I was able
to overtake pardon me, I thought Alien was getting tired. Did you perceive
that in the tenth eleventh, I thought he was tired and Goodman was still
fresh. Sure, I thought maybe maybe a little bit. But Goodman also
was dealing with the cut over his left eye, which certainly didn't help matters.
Listen, here's the bottom line. It was a good competitive fight between
two you know, solid contenders. Goodman, now maybe he was well known
in Australia. American audience now knows him a little bit better. Alien.
We've seen you know several times on the show Showtime Cards over the last few
years. He was coming off of a pretty long layoff also Alien was But
I mean, I don't just because Alien lost the fight, I wouldn't want
to watch I would. I would want to watch him again in a solid
matchup. But the main thing here now for the winner, which was Sam
Goodman, he's going to get the mandatory shot against Marlin to Polis, who
was the unified U title holder in the the w BA and the IBF.
I remember the other two titles in that way class are Stephen Fulton's belts,
which he's defending next month against Noya. In a way, and I will
give a little a little tease if you will, we will have in a
future episode an excellent interview I had recently with Stephen Fulton as we preview that
fight. But Sam Goodman put himself in position to be a player now at
one hundred and twenty two pounds. That's what this fight was about. Good
win for him. All Right, I'll put it off long enough do we
have to how long do we have to? All Right? We reaches Progray
successfully defends because they raised his hand and gave him a split decision the WBC
Junior Welterweight Championship in New Orleans in a homecoming fight that forgettable doesn't do it
justice. My god, It's almost like we need one of those light flashy
things from Men in Black, from Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith to have
not what was this? This was supposed to be a homecoming and it was
just an absolute can I say turd? It was a turd? I what
was that? You get more more vulgar than I do? Let lose what
was? I was going to say a shit show? In the article that
I wrote about it, I did refer to it as a hot mess,
which is which is what it was. This was actually shockingly bad because listen
I've been watching Regious programs for years. I've never seen him. You would
say he's a bad fight, and even Zuria, who I haven't seen as
much. But when I watched him, for example, in his only previous
loss against Arnold Barboza, I mean, he lost a pretty wide decision in
the end, but it wasn't like I want to gouge my eyes out kind
of fight it was. It wasn't like a terrible fight. It was okay,
it was solid and uh you know. And when he started off this
fight, he came out with a certain amount of aggression and and and tried
to take it to Regis in the first couple of rounds, and then it
evolved. They both felt the other man's power. There was the lefty righty
situation, Regis of course being a south paw, Zuria being right handed,
so that did not help things. They tripped over each other. There was
what looked like a knockdown of Regis in round I guess it was round one
one wasn't the referee called him slip And when you know, I give Regious
credit when he was watching it back with our buddy Chris Mannox, who was
doing the post fight interview in the ring with his own you know, he
admitted that it looks like a knockdown and probably could have been knockdown. And
then of course we just got the legit knockdown a round three on his ledger.
But that was that was the end of the highlights of the fight.
Now, I want to go over copybox with you because this this was amazing
to me and I don't do that. You could have had a preschool or
compute copybox before you give me the numbers on this fight. There was I'm
not enough because this is absolutely shocking. I've I've been I've been covering boxing
for twenty three years and seeing post fight copy box statistics from probably thousands of
fights, thousands of fights and rarely do I remember then do they stick out
that much? This fight is amazing with the statistics. I'm about to shoot
off to you. First of all, we'll get the headline first. Copybox
has been tracking fight not every fight in the world, but tremendous announce of
fights, important fights, title fights, etc. For thirty eight years.
They've been doing the biggest fights in the sport. In thirty eight years,
think about how many fights they've done. It's got to be. I mean,
I don't know the number, but I mean, have they done ten
thousand fights? I mean probably, I mean, who knows a lot in
thirty eight years they've been doing boxing matches. This fight, they combine zuria
and progress to land according to their stats. Again, they're not necessarily perfect,
but they're pretty reasonable. Guide eighty four combined punches from the two fighters.
That is the fewest fights landed combined in a fight in the history of
copy Box for a title fight. Ever. Now that's punches combined in a
twelve round fight. I think I saw Antonio Margharito once lane eighty four punches
in a round or something crazy like that. So that's the first stat that's
like a mind boggling stat. Now when you're take you Now, So what
happens is a lot of times after these fights copy Box to the to their
media list, they'll send out the statuet. I mean you maybe see it
on the broadcast, yes, but also send out a statuet with all the
things broken down round by round and the percentage in the tower shots and the
jabs and a little notations at the bottom. And they do a great job
with them. I'm giving a big tip of the hat to my boy Bob
Kenobio ever a copy. We love teams, all right, So let me
give you a couple more things about how horrible and how pathetic and know what
a hot mass on, what a shit show? Regis Progray against dan Alito
Zuria is. And I'll, by the way, I'm gonna give Eddie Hernson
credit because for the master or hype man who does nothing but hype up his
stuff. Even he afterwards admitted, we'll get he couldn't hide, but he
couldn't hide from him. Here's a few more stats for you. Regis Progray
in round three landed zero of forty three punches according to their stats. Zero
of forty three, yes, now, I there there have been a few
times like zero of fifteen. Zero forty three is shocking, terrible. Now,
in round number six he landed I'm sorry. Round six and round and
round eight he's credited with landing one punch in each round and ten. So
in in one round he landed zero, in three rounds he landed one,
and in two other rounds he landed two. Now, if you think that
sucks ass, how about the numbers that Zuria put up? He never landed
that few, but he he landed one punch in the sixth round, one
punch in the seventh round, two punches in the eighth round, two punches
in the eleventh round. And you're like, well, how can Regis Program
win the fight when he lands so a few punches because he actually landed,
you know, more than the other guy over over the over the bows rounds
now here's the thing that's crazy about it. By the way, I told
you the eighty four punches was the lowest combined shots in the history of combat
box for a title fight. How about they each landed forty two apiece.
That sucks. But what gave Program the edge and why he was the rightful
winner? And I don't want to even talk about the dopes on Twitter saying
zaria one, because you can't win a fight when you don't land the better
punches, you don't throw as many punches, and you don't get the official
lockdown, and you're in the other guy's hometown. So every single metric you
would think about, Regis was the rightful winner. Was it close? Absolutely?
Did the other guy win seven rounds? No, snow possible way.
So I had at one fifteen to one twelve, which is seven to five
on the cards in favor of Regis, and I was at eight four and
I had an eight party. So here's some other stats. Or Regis,
by the way, he landed for the entire fight eight point five percent of
his punches. That's pathetic. And the other guy who threw like almost two
hundred punches less only landed barely thirteen and a half percent of his punches.
On more ignominy. You like that word ignominy. Very nice, very nice.
Here's another stat that's fucking mind boggling. And I've literally never seen this.
I mean, if if if our guys at copy Box are listening,
can show me some pressed, you know, a pass fight that might match
this statistic, have at it. Never in my entire time of looking at
boxing comfy box stats, which I do after every big show, even small
shows for that matter, that they track, I have never seen a fight
ten rounds, twelve rounds, probably eight rounds, maybe six rounds. Whatever
we are not in a single round from both combatants. Neither guy in each
of the twelve rounds ever connected with double digit and punches. Now here's what's
even more mind boggling about that. Now Regis finished the fights trunk. He
landed seven punches in the in the twelfth round and eight punches in the eleventh
round, so his total connects to forty two, fifteen to them were in
the last two rounds. Now Here's the thing, though, so that was
the fight high was eight punches landed for Regions in round number eleven and and
and actually Zouria landed to regis Is seven in round twelve or Zouria landed eight
and round twelve. In no other round in the fight that either guy lands
six or more punches. Regis landed six punch ninth round and the fourth round.
Zuria's punches landed per round six three, three, six, two one
one two, five, three two eight terrible punches landed per round star zero
four six two one two one six one eight seven absolute fucking garbage. Yea
terrible all right. And if anybody out there says that that Regis is a
dominating champion, that was pathetic. He said he was nervous because it was
at home. The benefit we'll get to that, we'll get it. We'll
get to the reasons why, we'll get to his explanation. And by the
way, he was very self deprecating, and he was actually funny after the
fight, and we'll get to that in a second. But I've heard this
for forty years in boxing, sometimes as a great way to describe bad fights
like this. One guy couldn't and one guy wouldn't. So Zuria would be
in the category of the one guy that couldn't. He's not that good of
a fighter, So that puts program in the category of one guy wouldn't.
Why didn't he cut the ring off? I agree? Why wasn't he going
to the body using the jab? He's in his hometown. I really believe
this was one guy couldn't Zoria he's not very good, and one guy wouldn't
program. And I don't have an explanation. Did they watch a single frame
of video on Zuria to scout him. It didn't look like it. It
did not disagree with you. I think it was it was Zuria who wouldn't
because he was petrified, and it was Regis who couldn't because he just was
unable. Maybe he couldn't anyway, but I just I don't think Zaria is
very good period. I know Regis programs a lot better at a world class
level than what we saw the other night, and he wouldn't cut the ring
off, and he wouldn't go at him round after round after round, and
maybe maybe it's going back to the first round. I don't think this was
everything. And he got hit with a punch and he did go down.
It was kind of a little scrum. They were falling over each other.
It was a punch. Maybe that made him apprehensive for a round or two.
But by god, by the sixth round, Dan, by the eighth
round, go at him, cut the ring off, and Regis even said
after the fight, I didn't do a good job of cutting the ring off.
I was I was not good tonight is basically what he was saying.
Well, I don't understand where was the adjustment. It looked like they had
not scouted this guy at all. It looked like Regis was not paying attention
to who the opponent was at all by how he fought. And then he
got in the ring and he admitted after the fight again, let's go over
this. He said, I was nervous. I was nervous in the hotel
room preparing for this because I'm in front of the home fans and so you're
he said afterwards, Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say he's lying,
but I mean he was. He's fought at home before, maybe not
as a you know, as the WBC champion coming home after signing a big
free agent contract, but you know, and listen, in the long scheme
of things, this will be quickly forgotten. You know, we've we've had
more combat between us on the show than they had last night the fight.
What does Talking Box have us right now? Landed? I don't know.
I'm definitely definitely gotta be more. Oh, the incredible. The incredible thing
with what you said is eighty four punches landed in twelve rounds means there can't
be more than a couple of rounds where there were ten punches combine landed.
It's just bad um. And so now what about the future. And Eddie
Hearn again to his credit, said this was just not very good. But
they actually made a great funny point. It was humorous and a very good
point. Maybe this makes it easier for him to get a Devin Haney fight
or a unification fight because Matiue or Haney or whomever saw that and said,
God, look how bad he looked. They made fun of themselves, but
it may be true that Listen, that happens in boxing all the time when
you look Sometimes if you're a fighter that people don't want to fight, and
you keep looking so good, they give you a reason not to fight you
if you go out there and you maybe don't look so good, and they
make people more brave to get in the ring with there. Now, I
happen to think that this just turned out to be a shit fight. Neither
guy was on their game, that whatever reasons, the south right handed thing
mess things up all the different things that went into this, and that this
would be more of an anomaly than the rule because Zarias fight against Barbosa wasn't
a bad fight. We've seen Regis in a lot of good fights over the
years. Certainly, you know his fight with Josh Taylor a few years ago
when their unification was one of the better fights that year. His fight against
Zis a Paida that he won this title in back in November was a tremendous
battle, and we could go on and on about other exciting matchups that he
has been in. So I look at this as sort of like an anomaly,
but it doesn't matter because we're here the day after in our job as
a talk about and dissect and analyze it and make fun of it and there
you go. All right, So we'll see what he gets next. I'd
like it to see if i'd like him to fight, uh, you know,
if Hainey decides to go up. I mean, that's a great matchup,
obo ascinating fight. But you know, and Eddie Hern mentioned Jack Catterall,
I don't know, maybe that's next, Is it Matthias? Because Matthias
is gonna fight win in a couple of weeks or next month. Well,
I mean the strategy was to have those two fight like in the Winter Ball.
I don't think Matthias is happening, most likely because it appears as though
he's going to stay with PBC, and despite some reports out there, there
is nothing set yet for late August. But it's a possibility that he'll fight
in late August, but it would be with PBC. Don't forget. The
other fight that's been strongly mentioned is for fight number two. I mean,
it could be Catterall, I suppose, because he's also with Matcham. But
the other fight that they have mentioned is the possibility of fighting the winner of
the fight takes that takes place in a few weeks between Richardson Hitchens and Montana
Love, that could be the next fight. And uh, you know if
Richardson Hitchins, you know, beats Love like he should, you know you'll
hear Richardson Hitching be very mouthy and talk lot of ship leading up to that
fight. Is one thing that richards and Hitchins can do besides show outstanding skills
in the boxing ring, is he can talk. I mean, he hasn't
had the biggest level fight yet to show it, but I know that he's
a mouthy kind of guy in that sense, and so that's what you're looking
at. I mean, but but Progray, at least he didn't try to
sugarcoat it. At least try to sugarcoat it. That was a ship fight.
Let's move on, let's do and again he's a great talker, and
again give him credit because he owned up to it after it was over with.
We'll see what I'm saving. I'm saving this compybox computer. I'm gonna
screenshot and save it because it's so horrible. So it's like it's horrible,
and it's in a funny way. It's so bad. Yes, It's like
it's like there's a meme out there. The only thing I could think of
when you were saying that is there's an all time college football meme whenever there's
a bad game of Frank Beamer, the Virginia Tech coach, when they were
playing an awful, awful game against Wake Forest in the ACC and the meme
is like, the final play of regulation falls incomplete, and Beemer got two
fists up, smiling and yelling, and it says, Virginia Tech nothing Wake
for Us, nothing into regulation. A college football game that has finished zero
zero, headed to overtime, and he's got both fists up smiling. That
was progrey Zoria last night. Just get us to the final bell, God
Almighty, all right, let's move on. Oh oh. We put the
podcast to bed. The preview podcast a Big Fight weekend preview podcast. We
then do the bet US Live show on Friday, as we typically do,
do our handicapping and try to figure everything out. And then comes the news
that Oscar de la Joya has gone to US District Court in Nevada to sue
Ryan Garcia for the enforcement of their agreement because he believes Garcia is violating their
agreement and trying to act without them without Golden Boy Promotions as his promoter.
All right, Dan, you have written about this. We wrote about it
also on Big Fight Weekend dot com. There's some there's some fascinating points to
both side. You've also done some digging on your own. As we release
this podcast late Sunday in a Monday, what do you have. What's the
latest? Well, the crux of it is, as you said, they
sued Garcia in the US District Court in Thevada They and this the shoot has
geared more towards they had to sue Ryan in this uh in this lawsuit to
go along with because they also sued his advisor slash attorney Guadalupe Valenci, who
has worked with Ryan for quite a while. And what they're accusing them of
doing is it's a few different things. One is trying to negotiate with third
parties, you know, just to make people so they understand the promoter and
the boxer contract gives the promoter the exclusive rights to negotiate all contracts, all
things related to their boxing events, as well as broadcasting agreements and that sort
of thing. And they claim that after going back and forth and trying to
have a meeting of the minds and talk to them, and that they were
getting nowhere. That Golden Boy was put in in a position where they had
no other ways but to bring this action because they felt like Valencia was going
behind their back, without their permission, without their approvals, and trying to
negotiate and and interject himself in either network deals, talking to other promoters,
talking to other opponents, etc. And uh, and from Golden Boys perspective,
then if you read any promotional contract, that would certainly be against what
the rules of the road are. So they are suing for for those purposes.
They're not looking for money from Ryan Garcia. They're looking for a court
to say you are the rightful promoter for this length of time, this is
your agreement. And you know they they are trying to stay what's the word
they're not, you know they're they say they're not trying to breach their contract.
They have continued to offer Garcia fights and opponents and try to negotiate and
do the things in good faith you're supposed to do when you have these types
of agreements. But it's very obvious that Ryan and and Loupe do not want
to be with Golden Boy. That's been pretty much the way it's been going
on for quite a while. Remember, he signed the they had out.
This is not their first soap opera issue. They had issues, you know,
a few years ago. They were able to smooth those over. Ryan
ended up signing a long term extension that gave him a huge pay raise and
a big bonus. I have heard he got a signing bonus around two million
dollars back when he signed this contract in twenty nineteen. And now we're in
the midst of that agreement. But the allegations that they make in this lawsuit,
which I published the full ten pages of it on my substack, they
claimed that even they made allegations during the negotiations of the fight between Ryan and
Jervante Davis, that Valencia was inserting himself and doing things that were not his
under his domain, and you know, and then of course it never helps
when as we've seen over to like the last couple of weeks where Oscar lashed
out at Ryan on Twitter and Ryan gave it right back to him, and
I thought that was probably the dumbest thing Oscar possibly. It don't even if
you believe that you don't attack your star client, your biggest name. You've
already been down the road with Kennelo Alvarez who left you at you know,
for for not the same reasons, but he was upset about it. And
so when when the attorney who was going to represent Ryan in this litigation,
a lawyer named James Poe, James bow Pearl, who I was in contact
with the other Knight, who gave me a statement on their behalf. I'm
going to read part of this well, and this is telling this is uh,
this is this is it's it's it's about more than just the letter of
the contract. They're pissed off at Oscar, and this will tell you how
and why Golden Boys obligated to promote and enhance Ryan Garcia, not malign him
on Twitter and file a public, baseless lawsuit against him. So they're taking
what Oscar did his own unforced error, if you will, against Ryan on
social media, and they're gonna rub his nose in and they're gonna make him
pay for it. And uh, you know, it's nobody knows how this
is going to turn out, but you know it's going to be really interesting.
I mean, if if Ryan ever has another boxing match for Golden Boy
Promotions, because he doesn't want to be with them to fight on some other
platform. Loupy V people should know this also, and I listen. I'm
I have friendly relationships with Golden Boy. I've known Lupian, been friendly with
him for a while and Ryan since since he's a kid. It's all good
from my perspective. But my you know, we don't bullshit on this podcast.
Lupy Valencia also has a close relationship with al Haman. He I believe
wants to have Ryan fighting under the PBC banner, believing that not because he's
just a nice guy, because he believes that the way that PBC and Showtime
operate can enhance Ryan's marketability and earning power much more than can be done staying
with Golden Boy and fighting on the zone. That is their opinion, and
that is my opinion. Okay, so let's get to a couple of very
juicy particulars on this. What happened first before the Friday filing of the lawsuit
is that Valencia I don't know. It's not clear to me if Valencia wrote
the demand letter or if this bow Pearl that you talked to wrote a demand
letter, which is the first step in legal seedings, whether you're going to
arbitration or whatever. You and I are both well versed in legal LEAs.
I know a lot of the fight fans your eyes glaze over, But this
is important. Pay attention, savages, pay attention, peeps, Rayfield class
in session. Just so I'll explain it very briefly. We don't have to
belabor the point. The lawsuit was in response to the previous week's letter that
somebody on Garcia's team sent demanding mediation because they were accusing Golden Boy of several
breaches in the pot and that was signed back in twenty nineteen. Okay,
so there's two or three important points. One of the things they're saying in
that demand letter is that California law where this was agreed to, says that
the maximum you can have a personal services contract promoter and fighter artist and promoter
for music, whatever it is, the maximum is seven years. So what
they are alleging in the demand letter is you signed Ryan in November of twenty
sixteen, and as of this November, we contend he can go with anybody
he wants, because under California law, you can't lord over him unless he
agrees to a new deal. And he ain't agree into a new deal.
That's in the demand letter. Well, let me just let me interrupt your
last seconds. Yes, there's a very good chance that Golden Boy would say
before he signed the extension there was at least a day or two break of
the contract that there was not a argument. Furthermore, and this is very
important because I was around that, I covered it and wrote all about it
at the time. That seven year California law that you spoke about is the
exact same law that Oscar de Lahoy exploited to get out of his contract with
Top Ranked years ago. So he's well familiar with it. So you know
now the shoe is on the other food. That's right, and it's a
good point that you make. Here's another fascinating thing where in the demand letter
where they are angry with Golden Boy, that Golden Boy required Ryan Garcia to
have one hundred and twenty thousand dollars deducted from his purse. Not the end
of the world, but not insignificant. It's not like it's ten bucks or
a thousand bucks. They had to pay to Zone apparently step aside money so
that Showtime and Premiere Boxing Champions would be in control of the broadcast, blah
blah blah, so that that fact alone is not at all surprise. That's
part of the negotiation to make it happen. I can understand. I don't
know how common it is, but I can understand. If you've got points
of contention back and forth, the fact that you're having to cut out of
your own purse to pay the broadcaster, I can understand where that would urcue
that's in the demand letter there by the way that they're mad about that.
Anyone say that Ryan Garcia did not do everything in his possible power, And
we talked about it at nauseum leading up to the fight, that Ryan Garcia
made the fight with Tank Davis happen so much to the point that he had
to go into his pocket and pay part of that money to allow that fight
to happen. Not a lot of fighters to do that. And I will
praise or I don't care what anybody says. Ryan Garcia was desperate to fight
a top guy. I give him credit to the fact that the loss is
irrelevant to me. I think that he showed a lot of balls to do
it the way he did it. He was not taking no for an answer,
and this says, now you know, as they say, clean up
an aisle four is what's going on right now? You got that right,
okay, And so now you have the response and you brought up Canello Alvarez.
And this is the very compelling point where these two things are similar.
What Cannello was contending back in the fall of twenty twenty is, I have
a deal with you, Oscar, if you go and make a separate deal
with a broadcast outlet to Zone and think that that can come back and dictate
to me on my deal. Uh. And ultimately Oscar got told you're gonna
lose on this point. There's a very very big difference though between the two,
and this is very significant. Go ahead, when Oscar and Cannello broke
up, they could have made their deal and done a fight. Here's the
thing. If the Zone wasn't going to approve certain opponents for Canelo Alvarez,
Golden Boy was on the hook to pay Canello like literally thirty five million dollars.
And so when when the Zone comes to them and says we're only going
to give you twenty five, that was going to mean it was going to
be a giant amount of money that Goldenway was gonna have to risk, and
they really had no choice but to push it out a release. But Ryan
Garcia his minimum, his minimums, and what they owe him. Now he's
being paid more than his minimum. My understanding is that every fight that Ryan
has had on his contract so far, he's only been paid the minimum one
time. Everything else has been substantially over the minimum. But the point is
the number of dollars that they are risking to pay Ryan Garcia is far less
than what they had to pay against for a Canello fight, So they'd be
willing to do that with Ryan. They weren't going to gamble, you know,
eight figures on a possible losing effort with Canello in terms of the business.
And this is why you are who you are, because you've got great
insight on this, and I hope the fans will loving it because I'm loving
being educated on this too. But still the premise is the same that they
are going to argue, which is, we have a deal with you,
Oscar, and if you go and do a deal with de Zone for all
this other stuff where we got to pay step aside money and it angers us
that doesn't have anything to do with us. He's going down the same road
in that regard, and I'm not saying they're gonna win the Garcia side.
I'm saying they're gonna make the same argument that we have a deal separately with
you than your broadcast. Here's the other thing about Ryan's contract that again nobody's
given me a copy of the contract, but I've been told this by multiple
sources that are familiar with the agreement, that he does have a carve out
in that contract to go on pay per view. That does not specify that
that pay per view must be on the Zone, because when he signed that
contract extension, the zone wasn't even doing pay per view. The whole premise
for having a pay per view carve out in the agreement was, yes,
yes, we're with the Zone, but if we do pay per view,
or we want to be able to do pay per view if necessary, and
if our broadcast or to zone doesn't do pay per view, we need to
have another outlet that does, which means an independent place ESPN Showtime, maybe
HBO gets back in whatever. You understand my point, Yes, now the
zone does pay per view, but it doesn't change the terms of his agreement.
And one interesting aspect of this is Steven s Poza, who was doing
this on purpose and as a savvy guy in part of the negotiation. Even
a couple of years ago, when they were talking about a proposed Davante Davis
fight, he was doing interviews. He did an interview with us on this
podcast, He did an interview with numerous people. I heard him say it
several times. He kept saying, Ryan Garcia does not have a deal to
brought to Be's exclusively broadcast onto Zone for pay per view, exactly what you
just said. And so it's almost like he was planning it and putting it
out there. Ryan, if you want to do a deal for pay per
view, we can make it happen. And eventually that is what happened for
the Davis fight. So I just I thought that part was interesting because putting
it out there right view was born after Ryan's contract was signed. So it's
all pay the lawyers and figure it out. Let's just let's just fast forward.
Is he ever fighting again for Dala Joya? Give me a prediction.
I don't think he is. What I don't know the answer. I mean,
he isn't until he is is the bottom in other words, they can
they can make an agreement and make up and kiss any moment I think they're
divorced. I mean it's not. It's not looking good. But I'm not
going to make a prediction because business things weird. Shit happens, so you
know, for me to make a prediction is my stance. He's not fighting
anymore for dale Hood. I mean I would lean towards I would lean towards
no. But I'll tell you what if the if the contract is enforceable,
and the judge says, so Ryan Garcia had aged, you know, at
his age, with the amount of money he can make and the events he
can do, it's not impossible that he would fight for them again. And
I'm gonna give you an example. And Oscar Daloway is in the crux of
it again. When he split with Top Rank, it was under terrible circumstances.
It was brutal, it was part of that whole personal services thing,
and and lots of other issues that came up between him and Bob Aaron and
we thought that was going to be it. Well, time passed and they
made up and they ended up doing a lot of fights together. After that,
Oscar was promoted by Bob Aaron for you know of several other fights during
his career, including the big time fight he had with Bernard Hopkins and the
fight before that, and there might have been even one or two after that.
But the point is, anything can happen if the if the deal is
right, you know they can make they can make it work. Well that
they will or not as a different story that yes, can they and will
they two different things. Well, So Oscar is the he needs to understand
that the things that are happening right now with him as a promoter are the
same things that happened when he was on the other side, and he should
take a quick minute and take a deep breath and reflect them what it was
like when he was in Ryan Garcia's position and he was fighting with Bob Aaron.
Because in this scenario, Oscar is now Bob Aaron understood she was on
the other foot. Like you said, Okay, a couple of other news
items, some nostalgia, and then we are going to get out of here.
Uh okay, So you've got confirmation here that it is happening. David
Benavitez, David Morrell, I know you've been in contact with Sampson Lucawitz,
here about this, give me the juice that you have found out. What's
the latest. Well, if you remember from a few weeks ago, it
was Sampson Lucawitz, you know, going public and saying they had made an
offer to Eddie Renoso to do a fight between Cannelo Alvarez and David benavide Is
in September, you know, a so called fifty million dollars offer. And
Samson said, well, I sent them a WhatsApp, I texted him,
I emailed them, and you know, none of his stuff must work because
he's never answered me. Now, I'm pretty sure knowing Eddie Renoso, who
I have communicated with in different facets, are different ways. I'm pretty sure
he got those messages and they just didn't think that they needed to go down
that road. If they want to make an offered of Denavidis, they would
do so, not the other way around. But the point is Sampson now
as well aware as his showtime and everybody involved, that for whatever reason,
Cannell Alvars is not pursuing a fight against David Benavides for the follower David Morrell
for that matter, and keeping in mind of course, not that this is
the reason why Canello would do it. Besides the fact that they're good fights,
they both happened to be among Cannello alvars as mandatory challengers, David Morrell
as the mandatory as a WBA's regular tide holder at super middleweight and David Benavides
likewise as the WBC's interim champion. Nonetheless, with that being the case and
them knowing that that's not happen, Sampson has told me that they are absolutely
working towards and finalizing a deal for David ben and Vedas to fight against David
Morrell, probably later this year and in the fall. I guess uh,
maybe it slips over into the very beginning of this year, but most like
it's going to be the towards the latter part of this year, and that
I must tell you. While it may not be a mega bazillion pay per
view type fight the way that Jervonte Davis was against against Ryan Garcia, maybe
not even at the level in terms of pay per view as a as a
as a Devon Hainian of Assilly Lomachenko. If you're a boxing fan, that
is a great matchup and it's not even I guess one hundred percent whether it
be a pay per view or a regular showtime. Knowing the way this unfortunate,
the way the business works, I would imagine they will try to put
that on a on a pay per view. But the point is tremendous battle
two young guys, two hungry guys, two undefeated guys, two guys you
know, with those secondary to sort of belts in the super middleweight division,
and that's what you want to see. You want to see the best against
the best. I mean, don't you think that would be just a spectacular
fight. I mean, I can the way we've seen benavidis perform recently,
the way we've seen the way that that David Morrell has performed. I mean
he's coming off a monstrous ko one before that he had to beat down on
your Basinuli put him into hospital. I mean, he's he's a devastating puncher
and fighter also, as has Benevidio, so uh, you know again and
talking to Sampson, he says, and I quote, this is the plan.
We don't have anybody else, and we have an agreement. Now maybe
that agreement is not signed, but they're they're making David Denividias against David Morrell
and that's a great matchup for boxing pants And the rumor has been October.
So let's see when they officially sign it and getting according to Sampson, he
says to me, most likely October or November. Okay, stay tuned because
this dovetails into Canelo Alvarez like you just mentioned, and we mentioned him a
couple of times. Who is Canelo fighting? U Badu Jack? We hardly
knew you as a potential Canelo opponent. What is up here? Bad Do
Jack is not going to be the fighter? Why for Canelo? Well,
first of all, let's back up a minute. If you remember back I
don't know what was it a year and a half ago or so when there
was some questions about who Cannello was going to fight, and Eddie Renoso showed
up at the WBC convention when they were making the various mandatories and the promoters
were going through there there reasons why their guy should get this fight, and
there it's like an open forum, and Eddie stood up and he asked a
WBC if they would allow Canello, if they would sanction it for him to
go as he was their super middleweight champion to challenge then a WBC cruiserweight champion,
Iluma Macabo, and they said okay, and there was a lot of
conversation that maybe that fight would happen, you know, in the point being
that you know, Makaboo maybe not a superstar, but a strong guy,
a durable guy, a powerful guy with a ton of knockouts, a south
paw, and if that fight happened, Canello would the interest for him would
be to have the opportunity to win a world title in a fifth weight class,
because he has won titles at junior middleweight, middleweight, super middleweight,
light heavyweight, and if you go to cruiserweight, which would be obviously the
upper echelon of where you could go in terms of his weight to become a
five division champion. And so it looked like that might happen for a little
while. Then that petered out and it didn't happen, and so subsequently Macabu
ended up fighting against Bad Duke Jack on the undercard of the Tommy Fury Jake
Paul fight earlier this year, and Bad dud Jack, who has won,
by the way and been a tremendous fighter for a number of years, He's
been a champion at super middleweight and at light heavyweight, and he won the
fight he stopped. He cost me my over on that pick. I'm still
additive about that, but no, no, in all seriousness, he put
on a tremendous performance that that that card. He won the title in the
twilight of his career and became a three division champion. And so now Canello
was sort of like, as he's looking for a September opponent, Bad Duke
Jack's name was one that was mentioned by their team about going up to fight
him and again try to go for a cruiserweight title, and so they had
had conversations with the people at Skills Challenge in Saudi Arabia, which is the
promotion company that Bad Dud Jack signed with not that long as he has been
fighting regularly in the Middle East. He's now living in Dubai and he is
a devout Muslim and that's the sort of place he wanted to be, and
so there was the thought that if they make the match, it would come
to Saudi Arabia. However, this weekend, Bead Dude Jack went on his
Twitter feed and he quote said, I won't be fighting Cannelo next, they
said, us said the waight difference is too much. They wanted to drain
the old man and fight me two hundred pounds under the cruiser weight limit for
the title. Plus they wanted to rehydration class. So Canello wanted to bring
him below two hundred, make him ever rehydration clause, and and bed du
Jack just you know, he would be willing to fight Canello, I believe,
but he knows his body and it's not going below two hundred and it's
certainly not doing it and then having a ten pound rehead or whatever the number
of the pounds were rehydration class. The point here is that bad Dude Jack
has now removed himself from contention to be the next opponent for Canello. So
it's like Cannello's opponents are kind of dropping like flies because we all want to
see him fight Benabdes. But if you take if Benabedes is fighting morel that
takes like the next best two super middle weights out of the equation. And
if that dude Jack is not fighting him as the cruiserweight option, uh,
you know, now you start. Peeble says the money's not right for the
r and they also weren't able to work to wait out there. So now
you take people off the table. I mean, you don't got to be
a fucking rocket scientist to say, let's see what happens on Saturday, June
twenty fourth. If Edgar Berlanga destroys UH when he goes into the ring uh
and takes on Jason Quigley and does what he's supposed to do, I might
be willing to put a small wager that the next opponent we see come September
is next Goo versus Puerto Rico against Berlanga. Right right, that makes sense.
It is a sense. But the rumors still out there that it's Jamal
Charlow moving up, which again I'm not interested in then in either of you
right now, because the guy hasn't fought for two years and he's gonna have
to move up to fight Canelo. You know, thank you, no thank
you on that. But who is he fight? I think that I think
that if I had a uh, you know, handicap it, let's say
that I would probably Again, this is all depended upon whether Berlanga wins and
looks okay doing so. Uh. I think there's probably a decent chance that
he would fight Berlanga before he fought Charlo. Okay, I kind of am
not really that pump for either one of them to bet. Well, we'll
see if they come back around to Beeble and work the terms out on whatever
it is. And I totally understand Beeble's point of view because he's given a
couple of interviews that we haven't really talked about on our podcast, which is
I'm not fighting him for the same money I beat him. And the second
point is I agree with this. What's in it for me to fight him
at light heavyweight and beat him again? What's in one for him? Well,
then give him more money because obviously the money isn't right right now for
that. The other thing would be for the prestige of being undisputed at one
sixty eight if that's what Beeble wants to do. So let's see if they
come back around on that. Beeble's got his own problems because you know,
he's not fighting Canelo. You know, I'll due respect my buddy Vadim Kornilov,
who was his manager, who I've known for many years, who's been
on our podcast with Beeball a few weeks ago. You know, they keep
talking about they're gonna try to make this fight with better Be it for undisputed
at light heavyweight, and that's just not happening. And the reason it's not
happening, I mean, I guess technically they can make the match, but
I won't be undisputed because unless the WBC benz, which I don't think they're
going to do so. Mauricio Suliman has been on record numerous times over the
last few weeks saying they are sticking to their guns and not going to allow
Bible to fight for the for their light heavyweight title, based on what they
said back when Russia invaded Ukraine that they're not letting the Russian fighters fight for
their titles and those types of challenges. Now people can say it's hypocritical because
better b of Hiss Russian himself, and yes, of course he's born in
Russia, grew up in Russia, fought for the Olympic team from Russia twice.
But he's lived his entire career, fought his entire career fourteen or so
fifteen years out of Montreal. He's a Canadian citizen, ETC's he builds himself
as from Canada. That's where he lives. That's where his family is.
I mean, basically he's Canadian. It's you know, he immigrated, let's
say, to Canada, you know when his pro career began. So I
get the nuance there. But nuance in boxing and Twitter are not one that
all make of a good combination. All right, Very good with all of
that said, somet algia before we are done, not one, not two,
but three different anniversaries. A couple of them were actually Saturday, speaking
of Oscar de la Joya deal Lajoya Shane Mosley, Sugar Shane Mosley one tremendous
fight. Also Jermaine Taylor and Saint Petersburg, Florida's Winky Wright in an epic
battle that ended up being a draw in Memphis. You WoT ringside for both
of these fights on June seventeenth, that one was in two thousand and six
and then coming up Actually, as we released the podcast on Monday, is
the thirtieth anniversary of Tito Trinidad winning the IBF welterweight title, his first championship,
just twenty years of age. Lots of nostalgia, Rayphael around this weekend,
around Father's Day weekend, give me some more. Well, starting off
at dal Laia Mosley. One. Of course, they fought two fights.
The second fight controversial decision in favor of Shane Mosley. Kind of a forgettable
fight in the ring that was for the junior middleweight title. But the welterweight
title fight they had in two thousand that we're talking about, which is the
anniversary twenty three years ago. Awesome fight to this day, one of my
most favorite fights I've ever covered. A brilliant tactical battle with massive amounts of
action. Also two guys really at the top of their game, fast offensive,
defensive, speed skills. They had a local rivalry because they were friendly
since their kids. They had come up in the amateurs together. Shane Moseley
sparred with Oscar to help him out when he was preparing for the nineteen ninety
the nineteen ninety too Olympic Games when he ended up winning the gold medal.
They've known each other forever. That was a big part of it. It
was the first ever fight at Staples Center now Crypto Arena in Los Angeles.
So the two hometown guys fighting for big stakes, the welter white title HBO
pay per view that night, just a huge event. I always say to
myself, even though I started covering boxing for USA Today on a full time
basis earlier part of two thousand and to cover a few fights before that for
other places I had worked for me The first really big fight I ever covered
in person that I traveled for and was ringside for was Dale lejoya Mosley one.
I can remember it as vivid as anything. First time I ever traveled
to California and my life business or otherwise, first time I ever was in
Los Angeles. First time I met Oscar and Shane, whose careers I chronicled
for many many years after that. Oscar to this day, even still as
a promoter. First time I ever met in person most of the staff from
top rank. My first time I ever met Bob Aram and his team,
you know, Bruce Trampler and uh and Lee Samuel was the great publicist at
the time, Todd de buff the you know, the Bob Stepson and the
president of the company. And I will never forget my first I had spoken
of Bob several times on the phone. Of course, I'd been writing about
boxing for several months before I went to LASS. I had gotten hired in
March of two thousand, started at USA today, but didn't travel to a
top rank event until that June. So a few months later. So I
had talked to Aaron several times on the phone. I walked into the to
the Media Center and Staples Center. However, many days before the fight,
and and Bob came over and said, he's the man that saved boxing at
USA today, and give me a big hug. That was my interest to
because we were starting to cover boxing much more than we had before I was
hired to cover boxing. Anyway, a spectacular fight. I've never been like
really a starstruck kind of person, but I was sitting ringside, and it
didn't matter where you looked. In every single direction you looked, any which
way you saw somebody famous that you recognize. A politics names, Give me
some names, Pamela Anderson, Sydney Sydney Potier, Mel Gibson, I mean
Magic Johnson, I mean the team basically the eighteen. Just to put it
like this, I remember this is as clear as day. There was an
Associated Press reporter who covered a lot of LA based things, and she was
there as a secondary reporter for the Associated Press named Beth Harris. And she
maybe she's still out there doing her business. But we were sitting next to
each other at the fight, and there were so many movie stars. I
think Tiger Woods was there. There were so many movie stars in famous athletes
and just different famous people that we were like literally writing on a piece of
paper between us, like all the famous people that we saw sitting ro all
within close proximity to us, like you know, very close to where we
were. It was just an amazing event. But then the fight was fucking
spectacular, close fight, highly contestified, great battle around in the twelfth ROMD
where they both sold out and went for the knockout. I mean, one
of the great calls from Jim Lample. You know they're both going for it
in a classic pitch battle, and I never forget as clear as day,
Oscar dale Oya got hit with an uppercut and his face turned towards Press Row
and I swear to god, your eyes just caught his eye at that moment
and he was looking at it if we got tagged with that punch. A
remarkable fight. Shane won the decision, rightfully won the welterweight WBC title.
A lot of people put him number one on the pound for pound list after
that victory and to this day. It's one of the great fights that I've
ever covered. Love it again. Winky and Taylor was a draw in Memphis,
and you believe that fight was even scoring. Yeah, that fight was
in Memphis, Tennessee at the FedEx Forum. Uh that not the Pyramid where
we talked about the last Louis Tyson fight. Take kind of like around the
corner from where the FedEx Forum now Bill Street exactly. H and H.
Taylor and Winkie put on a hell of a fight. It was I thought
it was a draw, but this was like the people should remember, this
is the legitimate middleweight championship of the world. Winky Wright was had been undisputed
at junior middleweight. This is the three belt here. He had beaten Shane
Mosley. He's now fighting Jermaine Taylor for the middleweight championship. Jermaine had had
won the title from Bernard Hopkins. He had vacated different titles or have been
stripped or what. Everybody's still had two of the belts and he defended them
that night against Winky Wright. And most people thought it was not going to
be a great fight because Winky was not known for being, you know,
an action fighter. Anybody that has watched him knows that his game was just
he was a phenomenal a phenomenal defensive fighter, uh, not unknown for a
big time offensive output. But they made a much better fight than I think
anybody possibly could have imagined that it would have been. And uh, and
it turned out to be a really good fight, contested fight. And then
the thing is it became kind of a joke later, Uh, Winky they
were going to do a rematch after the draw, and Winky was upset with
the money and made certain demands that that that just were just out of the
realm of reality. And when I was working at USA today, we ended
up because I thought it was a terrible decision that he made from a business
point of view. Every bad decision that a boxer made in terms of their
economics became known as a graduate of the Winkie Right school of boxing business where
that term initiated from. But that fight between him and Jermaine go on go
on YouTube because it kind of is like a lost classic in a way.
A lot of those fights of that, like mid two thousands, uh,
that don't get talked about a lot, But that was one of those really
outstanding battles, and uh, you know, Jermaine Taylor was a hell of
a fighter during his during his dead prime. You know, he may not
be going to the Hall of Fame, but he's got quite a bit of
accomplishment. And Winkie right, you know, besides that draw, he had
one win after that against Ike Coorte, then lost his three fights. But
he's now in the Hall of Fame for rightful reasons, including beating Felix Trinidad,
including the two victories over at Shane Mosley just uh you know, two
two top fives after best that night, and when Winky Wright had beaten Felix
Trinidad just before that, had beaten Shane Mosley twice just before that. In
my man wink again, I always relate this whenever we talk about it.
We talked about it a few weeks ago that when Winky was fighting back in
the nineteen nineties, at times he was making like fifteen grand to go over
to France. Fifteen grand. That didn't cover his expenses to go and fight.
So when the guy started winning bigger, more marketable fights, I can
understand your eyes light up and you want more dollars from where you've come from.
So I get I get that too, and he had a Hall of
Fame career as well. And then a lot of thought people thought he won
that fight against against her Man. I thought it was a draw. And
then also speaking of Tito Trinidad, that was thirty years ago that he won
his first world title in June of nineteen ninety three destruction of Maurice Blocker.
We've talked a lot about Tito Trinidad as well on this podcast. That was
his first real quick that was the first world time always one of my favorite
fighters. That was a showtime fight took place in San Diego, wasn't actually
the main event. He fought Maurice Blocker on the undercard, who was at
that time the ib of Champion. The main event that night because Terry Norris
is from the San Diego area. He defended the WBC one hundred fifty four
pound title the main event and scored a third round knockout against Troy Waters.
But the historical fight that night was we didn't know it at the time,
but the twenty year old Tito Trinidad in his coming out party to many people
with a not just a knockout of Maurice Blocker, but a devastating knock at
a Murraic Blocker. In my recollections, that Maurice Blocker must have been on
the campus for you know, two or three minutes, like trying to shake
the cobwebs and get out of that monstrous just a and it was a classic
Tito Trinidad left hook. And at twenty years old, you thought you're seeing
like a future Hall of Famer and a guy that was going to be on
the pound for poundless and be an all time great and all these things you're
running through your mind. And guess what he did every single one of those
things. And he won that welterweight belt, defended it, you know,
many many times, ultimately became a champion at one hundred fifty four pounds in
a devastating fashion against David Reid defense and a great all time fight against Fernando
Vargas. Became a title holder in the middleweight division with that memorable knockout in
incredible atmosphere against William Joppy, and then of course met his waterloo against Bernard
Hopkins. But the night that he beat Maurice Blocker, all you could see
was this just possible future superstar, one of the great exciting young fighters,
Puerto Rico's next big thing, and he lived up to every single one of
those hopes. Just a just a really great knockout in a great performance.
And the excitement that I had for Tito Trinanot's career after seeing that was like
palpable. And you know, he's been one of my favorite fighters for many,
many years, and I love the guy, big punching, Puerto Ricans,
superstar Hall of Fame fighter. We have thirty years ago, TJ.
I know we are getting old. We have given you a ton on the
recap podcast here, lots and lots, whether it be the Tim Zoo win
whatever that was with Progray's defense in New Orleans, some fight news, fight
nostalgia. I think we're good here. We're ready to roll on with another
week off a Father's Day again. You've got a regroup with the troops after
they get back from the play. Good luck to you. I've got dinner
tonight for Father's Day. As we tape the podcast, we release it overnight
into Monday, Sunday night into Monday. We'll be back with a preview podcast
coming up later this week. Again on the schedule. We're always previewing into
Friday, recapping, coming off the weekend, overnight, Sunday, in the
mind, anything else. So are we good? My friend? I think
we're good. Just let I didn't go to the fight? Yes, or
yourself? Five bonus points on that when Boss moved by Raphael. There you
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