1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,080 Off of a weekend that has seen There's no Other Way to Sugarcoated, a 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:12,080 horrible title defense by Regis Progray, a tremendous first round knockout by Tim Zoo, 3 00:00:12,599 --> 00:00:16,679 a weekend that has seen us salute dads for Father's Day, We are 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,320 back in here on the Fight Preach Unite Recap podcast as part of the Big 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,559 Fight Weekend podcast feed. I am these somewhat capable host T J Reeves. 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,920 He is our insider from his Fight Freach Unite substack and Big Fight Weekend dot 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,039 Com. Hello, Happy Father's Day, one last time, Dan rayphel how 8 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:36,280 are you feeling. I'm good. Happy Father's Day to you also and to 9 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:39,439 everybody that's out there listening to us. Raphael would like you to know that 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,200 not only has he gotten Father's Day brunch, and I believe I have this 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,439 correct. I thought the brunch was happening and it has already concluded. All 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,079 right, so the brunch, the brunch did not happen. However, mom 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,520 and niece have come into town. You are saying, you are confirming proof 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,520 of life. You have survived the relatives for the weekend. We're good on 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,879 that front. For Father's Day. Yeah, we've had. This has been 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:10,200 like family like month. I guess because last week my in laws were in 17 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:12,719 town. My father in law and my wife's step mom were here for about 18 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:17,599 a week, had like I think two days in between, as my mother 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,239 said, changed the sheets in the guest room because the next team is coming. 20 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:26,239 So then my niece and my mom are in town. My niece was 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,400 about to be twenty years old in a few weeks, and my mother come 22 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:34,519 to visit for a few days. And on Father's Day, I saw my 23 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,040 family off and they went into a beautiful Washington, DC to the Kennedy Center 24 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:44,120 to see a play. Rayfiel doesn't do plays, Rayfield does. Rayfield does 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,159 the Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast. Yes, so you were texting me, 26 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,840 just so everybody knows, we typically do this later in the day on Sunday, 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,040 but you're like, can we do this? And I said, sure, 28 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,079 we can do this later this afternoon before I go to dinner with my 29 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:00,599 wife and my twin daughters. And you're like, no, can we do 30 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,159 this now? And it's just as you just described on the text message. 31 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:09,280 And I did literally laugh out loud. You put the wife, her mother 32 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:13,560 in law, my mother and the crew has gone to the Kennedy Center to 33 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,719 a play, and Rayfield don't do plays, so you were ready to go. 34 00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:21,599 I love that about you. We are all good here. It is 35 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:23,520 good to have some culture every now. And by the way, you were 36 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:29,039 selling yourself short. You did your son's play, which we understand because that's 37 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,719 your offspring. But he put on a tremendous performance, as we talked about 38 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:35,319 on a previous podcast. And look, I promise we're gonna get to the 39 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,680 fight recaps. But my god, this is gonna be better than bashing Regions 40 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:42,599 program for whatever that title defense was, so stand by. But your son, 41 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:47,680 let me get this straight, was Abraham Lincoln No. No. Five 42 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:53,840 dollar bill. He was a keyboard and a tennis ball in the same play 43 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,280 earlier this school year, earlier this school year. But then there was another 44 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,759 play after that that we just had a weeks ago, okay, where he 45 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:05,680 was a different That was James and the Giant Peach. He was a giant 46 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,479 peach. Well, there's a story, like a kids story called James and 47 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,080 the Giant Peach. James he was a character, uh, the narrator in 48 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,560 that in that particular play. And so but that's different I'm you gotta go 49 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,439 to see your kids. Of course, just finished the fourth grade. Of 50 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:23,120 course, I'm talking about paying money to go to Washington to see a play. 51 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:27,479 I have no interest in on a Sunday afternoon when I'd rather do my 52 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:34,039 pet. Yes yet, but all I'm saying is, young Rayphael deserves a 53 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,479 local Tony nomination for versatility of having played the five dollar bill the keyboard in 54 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,680 the tennis ball. We gotta make that happen in a single in a single 55 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:46,680 play. I mean that is Charlton Heston esque. That is I mean that 56 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:52,520 is Tom Hanks named the Great Actors in the Academy of n Nicholson, I 57 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,960 meaning chauvinistic. Who could I go with Meryl Streep, h Sigourney Weaver or 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,960 whomever from the female side of things? Uh, command performance, command, 59 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,319 perform us and yes a boss move by you send them off with good money 60 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:10,240 and good tickets to the play while you and I do the boxing podcast. 61 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,080 This is a tremendous move. And then when we're done, I can go 62 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,639 relax. I'm gonna watches Baba. Yes, you're gonna watch a little baseball. 63 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,879 I'm going out to dinner with the family. We got the golf on 64 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:19,759 later tonight. You and I've never talked. You're not a golf guy. 65 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,519 I know you're a You're a boxing silence guys. Okay, hockey, you 66 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,480 can't stand, but that's all right. But anyway, the golf is on 67 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,959 LAK tonight as we're taping. So boxing boxing for you, boxing, basketball, 68 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:38,959 baseball, do basketball basketball, Yankees baseball. There we go. All 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,519 right. So now that we got all of that out of the way, 70 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,839 thank you for finding us. It is part of the big fight. We 71 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,439 can podcast feed, rate us and review us. By the way, some 72 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,120 of you have been doing that, rate us and review us, tell us 73 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,600 how wonderful Raypheel is, how horrible I am. We love it all on 74 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:55,000 Apple Podcasts because it helps others find us. It helps us with the algorithm, 75 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,120 and again by the thousands and thousands and thousands, you're finding us every 76 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,720 week hearing us. The audience increase has been tremendous over the course of the 77 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,480 last three to six months or so alone. And we're in fight season right 78 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,839 now. So we come into the weekend with the preview usually overnight Thursday into 79 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,519 Friday, and then with the recap off the weekend. One more housekeeping. 80 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,279 Note it is confirmed, Raphael, I am headed to Las Vegas with you 81 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:25,639 as part of Errol Spence and Terence Crawford Fight Week in Las Vegas late July 82 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,519 for that Saturday night July twenty ninth, and I look forward to being there 83 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,000 with you, and, as we joked, not only on this podcast but 84 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:38,839 the bet Us show, that will be the first time, allegedly, when 85 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:41,279 it happens, unless it happens before that, you and I will be in 86 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,639 the same setting, in the same room together. We have virtually been like 87 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,560 married couple since the middle of last year, but we have not literally been 88 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,639 in the same building, the same room. Yet. What a wonderful world 89 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,399 of technology we're in. I'm looking forward to being there. I will alert 90 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,360 the authorities in Las Vegas people, Yes, get the peeps ready. We 91 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,399 got we got food to consume, we got Fight Week, we got all 92 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:08,399 of it. We got to figure out how we're doing the shows we got 93 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:10,839 we got. Dan's already worried about how are we doing the pod? How 94 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:12,639 are we doing a lot? I'm like Rayfield, we got this, we 95 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,600 got this, We're gonna figure it out. We're in the same place this 96 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,720 time. It should conceivably be easier to execute this stuff, not harder. 97 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,439 So we'll see how that goes. But yes, I am officially booked. 98 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:27,160 You're officially booked. So it's getting real now for that fight coming up, 99 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:30,839 and so we look forward to that. All right, let's get into it. 100 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,519 Let's begin on the happier note of what Tim Zoo did in short order 101 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:41,959 in Australia Sunday afternoon Saturday night, US time in defense of his WBO one 102 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,920 hundred fifty four pound interim title, a demolition job on Carlos Ocampo. I 103 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:48,439 will be the first one to admit I thought he would win, and I 104 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:53,120 thought he would win early. But my god, that was Tyson esque. 105 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,240 What do you make of that? Was Ocampo just completely intimidated in part and 106 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:02,720 got himself destroyed. What do you make of Zoo taking a minute seventeen to 107 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:09,439 wipe him out? He finished the fight in shorter time frame. Then sometimes 108 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:12,839 it takes you to introduce the show, yes, correct or build that up 109 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,439 just then. I think you might have taken less than one seventeen. It 110 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:18,079 took one seventeen for the fight. It might have taken more than one seventeen 111 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,680 for me to build that up. Yes, I do not believe he was 112 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:28,399 intimidated. I believe he is just not that good, defensively deficient and is 113 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,680 not in the same realm of boxer as Tim Zoo, who is fighting like 114 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,040 a man possessed. I mean this fight, the Tony Harrison fight, obviously 115 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,720 that that lasted a lot longer because Tony Arison's a legitimate, quality professional fighter, 116 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,759 and I'm gonna say that Carlos Ocampo is. I'm not saying that he's 117 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,720 not a hard working guy. I'm trying to insult him. It's just the 118 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:56,800 talent level is just dramatically different. As many people like to say. In 119 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,319 this business, there are levels, and we saw not just a different into 120 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,519 one level, but three or four or five levels. He's just not very 121 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,240 good. He doesn't have any defense, he's not very fast. That's the 122 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:09,160 big thing is he didn't know how to get out of the way, didn't 123 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,560 know how to tie him up, and my god, let he got hurt 124 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,079 with the first punch of the fight, and it was his legs. As 125 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:20,160 I thought. A showtime announcer Maro Rolano had the best line where he basically 126 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:22,120 said, you know he's on roller skates. You know, because he was 127 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:24,680 like all over the place with his legs after like he got hit with a 128 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,839 shot and he was backing into the ropes. He just and listen. It 129 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:31,600 was sort of like, you know, the question was, Okay, is 130 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,039 he is he as bad as he was when Errol Spence knocked him out in 131 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:41,360 twenty eighteen and round one or is he at least on a better level where 132 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,159 he may have lost lopsidedly. But he went twelve rounds against Sebastian Pandora at 133 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,399 one hundred and fifty four pounds. That was two fights ago. I think 134 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,279 based on the evidence that we saw from Tim Zoo, he's more on the 135 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:58,879 realm of what we saw against Errol Spence. Now he's been wiped out and 136 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:05,440 just pummeled in the first round by obviously quality opponents, and he's on more 137 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:07,720 on the you're no good level than he is what he was maybe when he 138 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,759 fought Fandora, who has shown that he's maybe not on that level either. 139 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:15,320 Maybe he's not as bad as o'campoll, But I don't know if Fandor is 140 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,639 going to get to the level of an Arrow Spence or Tim Zoo. Look, 141 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,039 Tim Zoo, he's the hell of a fighter. He's the best fighter 142 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:24,440 in Australia right now. He's a bonafide contender. He has the interim title. 143 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,279 He's been waiting for the fight against the undisputed champion Charlot and now for 144 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,879 a while they were supposed to find in January, and I think that he 145 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,559 did when a lot of fighters don't do, which he didn't just sit around 146 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,960 and wait for this shot where it was kind of nebulous when it would be 147 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:45,639 he fought in a March against Harrison risk that mandatory position, came back against 148 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,559 o'campo. Now, I mean it's a calculated risk. I don't think they 149 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,840 thought he was gonna lose. But again, it's boxing, dude. You 150 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:54,960 never know what happens when the when the punchers start flying. And now he's 151 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,440 taken two fights in the span of like three four months. He scored knockouts 152 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,000 in both. And let me tell you when this fight between him and Charlo, 153 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,000 assuming it does take place now the WBO says it's supposed to be in 154 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:07,799 the ring and consummated by you know, the fight actually happens no later than 155 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,320 September thirty. In his post fight interview, Tim Zoo said that he was 156 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,679 looking forward to seeing him in October. Now, I assume if Charlo and 157 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:18,240 Tim and their and their handlers go to the w BO and say, we 158 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:22,200 understand, you gave us a September thirty deadline, but by the way, 159 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,279 you know the fight schedule for October sixth or whatever the data is, I 160 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,240 don't. I knowing the w BO and Paco of our cars from the w 161 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,960 BO and the way they operate, they're not gonna say no. They're gonna 162 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,559 say okay, and that'll take place. So the point is when this fight 163 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,879 happens in the in the fall, assuming that everything goes through, when Charlo 164 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,039 is recovered. Here's the thing. Tim Zoo as sharp as a razor right 165 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,799 now. I mean he's acting. I mean activity is important. I mean 166 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,080 we talked about it all the time. The lack of activity from some of 167 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,480 the biggest names and best fighters in the business, in my opinion, is 168 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,279 one of the things that paralyzes the sport worse than anything. So he's now 169 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,799 going to have in three fights, which in our day ages like you might 170 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,960 as well be fighting every day. Whereas Charlot, I mean, it's not 171 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,559 his fault if he was injured fair enough. But he's now gonna have been 172 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,840 out, you know, for quite a while, over a year. I 173 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,519 get well over a year. And it wasn't like he was the most active 174 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:16,480 guy even before he had the understand point he has. He has the one 175 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,320 fight against Castagno in May of last year, and I just looked it up, 176 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,639 and the previous fight before that was in July of twenty twenty one. 177 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,159 So if we fast forward to September or October, that's one fight in like 178 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,799 twenty eight months. And Sue has fought several times in that. He fought 179 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,399 in the United States before that. I mean he's been he was active in 180 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,759 Australia before that in fights that uh you know, we're we're actually streamed on 181 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,679 ESPN Plus here in the United States. Now he's been fighting his last few 182 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,840 fights on Showtime. Look, he's a he's a devastating puncher. He's a 183 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,720 man possessed. He's got like a dog attitude, not to use as I 184 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,000 don't mean that as a pun based on his dog bight, he's got that 185 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:00,879 dog mentality. Um, you know, the joke is, as I joked, 186 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:01,519 I said, you know, if Tim Zoo's gonna fight like that, 187 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,120 he should get bit by a pitball three weeks before every fight he has. 188 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,720 He was really a good last night. I mean, he was highly motivated. 189 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:13,320 He was highly motivated, and he immediately was calling out as Charlo after 190 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,840 this was over about that, do you as I do, I'm skeptical. 191 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:24,200 Do you believe now that on the basis of having watched him knock Harrison out 192 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:30,279 and having watched what happened here against Ocampo, that we may be less likely 193 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,440 to see Charlo Or do you believe it's such a lucrative fight that if Jamel 194 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,360 Charlo is coming back, and if Jamel Charlo is defending his titles, it's 195 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,240 got to be Tim Zoo here for the money and for the legitimacy and the 196 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,519 other reasons. Because I'm just I'm a little skeptical right now that we're actually 197 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,399 going to see this versus Okay, maybe Jamel Charlo just says I'll drop the 198 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,240 w BO belt and I'll fight somebody else. They'll elevate me. What do 199 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:56,960 you what do you perceive if he does drop the WBO belt, he's going 200 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,080 to be jammed up with another mandatory anyway, Remember he's got multiple mandats or 201 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,120 to handle he's got the mandatory in the IBF, he's got the mandatory in 202 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,799 the WBC. You know you've got you've got a lot of guys, and 203 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:07,519 then those are not going to pay as much money as a Tim Zoo fight. 204 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,879 A Tim Zoo is a premium kind of fight. It's like about the 205 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:15,399 best level fight Showtime can do without putting it on pay per view. Uh. 206 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,960 And I would certainly hope if that fight comes about, it won't be 207 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:18,759 on pay per view. I don't think it will, but you never know. 208 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,320 When it was scheduled for January twenty eighth, it wasn't going to be 209 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,279 a pay per view. And it's a it's a it's a really that's a 210 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:30,559 that's the way if you're buying a subscription to a premium outlet, be it 211 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,720 a streaming service or a premium cable network. Uh. That's the kind of 212 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,559 main event I expect as a paying customer. That's a quality fight. There'll 213 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,759 be a lot of people that think that Charlote will get beat at night, 214 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,639 there's a lot of people think that he'll beat Zoo. One thing I saw 215 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,559 an interview I believe it was on It was a clip that Showtime put out, 216 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,360 So it's on what's the podcast they do with the NBA. Former NBA 217 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:56,360 star Stephen Jacks say, gimme five bonus points the smoke? All that smoke, 218 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,720 I think or all the Smoke is the podcast they do one audio. 219 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,799 Saw the clip and I actually like what Charlot was saying where he's not he's 220 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,440 never been a guy that's just strictly looking to protect the yo. I think 221 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,639 Charlo just as a as an athlete, as a fighter, he wants to 222 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,720 fight the better guys and if he gets beat, he gets beat. As 223 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,639 he said in this clip that I saw. I think that's a great attitude 224 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,159 because no one's gonna if you go in you fight enough that this is what 225 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,240 I don't fighters don't understand this, A lot of them. Charlo does, 226 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,559 I think, I think Tim Zoo does. If you go in the ring 227 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,159 and you fight another quality guy, someone's gonna win, someone's gonna lose. 228 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,039 But if you are the guy that loses, I don't think most people are 229 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:37,519 gonna hold that against you. They didn't hold it against There's every great fighter 230 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:41,879 you can think of. Other than a few select fighters have lost, and 231 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:45,480 they typically when they have lost, it's been to the best guys. You 232 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:48,000 know, did people criticize I mean, yeah, they criticize maybe in the 233 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,639 moment, but in the longer scheme of their careers. Do people criticize Ray 234 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,360 Leonard because he lost to Roberto Duran? Do they criticize Duran because you know 235 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,399 he lost, you know, to Tommy Hearns by a knockout? Do they 236 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,279 criticize I mean, Manny Pakio lost to Floyd or whatever. I mean, 237 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,639 the great fighters are gonna lose. I mean, it's just the way it 238 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:07,360 goes. And what happens is when you fight the other best guys, you 239 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:11,799 can make yourself even bigger because of the fact that you guys did go in 240 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,159 the ring. You you know, you help. Fighters need each other to 241 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:18,759 build their own resumes, their own legacies. And I think Charlo and Zoo 242 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:22,360 is a really outstanding fight. It's probably in my mind, especially based on 243 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:26,000 the way Tim Zoo has fought recently, it's probably just about one of the 244 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,960 better fights you can make. And if you would think back to the ways 245 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,039 of the fights went between Charlot and Castagno their first fight and their second fight, 246 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:35,120 the first fight was called to draw, the second fight he won and 247 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:37,559 became undisputed. Those are both outstanding fights too, So I just think that 248 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,519 if that fight does happen in the fall, it's a big one. I'm 249 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,399 excited. It's a kind of It's the kind of fight I would want to 250 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,600 travel to to go see. You know. I haven't David said the data 251 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:50,440 where it's going to take place or anything like that yet, but he made 252 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,360 that fight bigger by the way he's handling his business in March against Harrison and 253 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,799 the way he did last night against o'campo. And if he hadn't taken these 254 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,519 intern fights and we're just waiting around for a year half of the fight, 255 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,879 there wouldn't be as much interest. Now. I believe boxing fans are even 256 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,360 more interested seeing that fight today than they were, you know recently. So 257 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:11,320 great matchup. Hope it happens. And every time I see him fight man, 258 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,159 it reminds me of his old man Costazu, why I covered in near 259 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,639 the end of his career, and the right hand is something special and the 260 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:22,440 mentality is the same thing. Yeah, it wasn't affected by the dog bite 261 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,200 that we were worrying about. Literally that was up on top of the forearm 262 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:32,799 by the elbow no effect whatsoever. And I loved the commentary being done by 263 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,960 Marl Ronaldo and Al Bernstein and abder Marez was being done in the studio in 264 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,519 New York, and Al was trying to get a key or two, a 265 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:44,559 key out of his mouth, a key to victory. And he even stopped 266 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:48,159 himself and went all big right hand right away. You know, there's several 267 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,240 thousand miles away, seven or eight thousand miles away from Australia watching this on 268 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,879 TV, but he just blasted Ocampo. And I agree with you. I 269 00:16:55,919 --> 00:17:00,279 think it has hyped this fight even more. That is a huge pay per 270 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,680 view in Australia at whatever level, whatever they charge, when Zoo fights for 271 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,559 these four belts against Charlo, He's that big of a deal for some Australian 272 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:12,119 pay per view market with the way that they built it up. And here's 273 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,039 hoping they get it done. Here's hoping that it gets to that point. 274 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:18,359 I mean, just one more We don't have to go for five more minutes. 275 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,160 But it is incumbent right now on Jamel Charlo and his camp to tell 276 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,000 us how healthy are you and are you ready to go? Whether it's remember 277 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:30,839 one for October, let's go. Remember one thing, it's Charlot. I 278 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:33,079 don't believe it's trying to avoid the fight at all. And the reason I 279 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:37,200 say that is because he signed a contract to fight him in January, so 280 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:40,880 I don't know that the terms of that haven't maybe extended for a year or 281 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,839 whatever to do. But there is definitely hold on. There's one hundred percent 282 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,799 unless they did something completely different than ever before. There was definitely postponement language 283 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:53,880 in that agreement. Now, did it last six months? Probably? The 284 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,480 last nine months, not likely, But the point is they already have a 285 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,920 deal that they signed, they're happy with in terms of the money and all 286 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,039 the particulars, so there should be no reason they can't go back into that. 287 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,039 I cannot I'm not going along. I really do to you. I 288 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:11,039 cannot believe and do not go along with it. He's had two more fights 289 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:14,519 and he's not going to ask for more money after he won them both, 290 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,799 so that then maybe it is a time limit. But also if you fought 291 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,319 twice after that, you shouldn't be beholden to whatever the previous contract was when 292 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,759 the other guy couldn't fight. And we'll also remember this well because it's a 293 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:30,839 mandatory fight if they really if that contract is no longer enforced and they really 294 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:34,680 want to get cute, it could go to a purse bit and finish it. 295 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:40,079 And if No Limit Boxing get out bids, it could end up in 296 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,119 Australia too. So I don't think the Charlos would want that. I don't 297 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,920 think Premiere Boxing should. I mean Showtime would have some say over that, 298 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,680 obviously. I think they're planning their intentions that fight takes place in the United 299 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:53,400 States, and certainly the amount of money that Showtime would pay in my knowledge 300 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,680 of the way that they operate is that it would be a higher license fee 301 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,599 to have it here in the United States. It would be it was in 302 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,720 Australia, and in Australia it's going to be at the same time, so 303 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:04,799 they're fans there. It's not going to be messed up because they do the 304 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:08,720 fights in the afternoon anyway, and that pay per view would not be impacted 305 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,359 by sometimes you know here in America, if you're fighting in Europe, it's 306 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,519 not good for a pay per view fight here because the time is not conducive 307 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,279 to that. So the bottom line is, I'm gonna be optimistic. I'm 308 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,119 gonna say I'll see you guys in late September early October, and that that 309 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,519 fight is going to happen all right, by the way, a very entertaining 310 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:32,240 co feature fight. Give me some quick analysis on Sam Goodman the Australian upsetting 311 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:37,160 Raisa Lime originally born in Michigan, been fighting out of Las Vegas for about 312 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,319 the last ten years. Alaim suffers his first loss. He took a risk, 313 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,880 he went and fought Goodman in Australia on the undercard to the Zoo Fight, 314 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,039 and Goodman got the decision win. Some quick thoughts, Dan, I 315 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:52,519 don't know what the exact odds were because we didn't pick it on our show, 316 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:53,559 but I didn't really consider that big of an upset. I mean, 317 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:56,599 they were both on Laim was like two to one when I looked at it. 318 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,960 A lim on the bet Us line was like a two to one favorite, 319 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,160 okay, but he was still going to USh shellya. And the other 320 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,000 guy was also undefeated who had a couple of solid wins on his record as 321 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:07,599 well, not huge wins, but he had beaten, for example, t 322 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,160 J. Dohaney was a former champion. It's pretty good, nothing spectacular, 323 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,400 but that's a solid win. So I felt like it was probably an even 324 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,200 type of fight, and if he had a tip of guy, you know, 325 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:19,599 you might lean towards the hometown guy. But nonetheless, like you said, 326 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,200 they put on a good fight. It was an entertaining matchup. He 327 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,440 wins a split decision. Really, it was a kind of a let's call 328 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,720 it a tale of two fights, if you will. It was pretty much 329 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,920 a leam who really pulled into a good lead in the in the first half 330 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,880 of the fight, worked a body really well, and then with the urging 331 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,599 of his corner, I think it was after a round seven. I guess 332 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,039 maybe it was round six. I forget which one it was, but the 333 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:45,240 corner of Sam Goodman was telling him, you gotta win the rest of the 334 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:47,720 fight. You gotta win every round if you want to get that get this, 335 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:51,880 get this fight done, and and and whether those words were what sparked 336 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,559 it or otherwise, but Sam Goodman came alive and and did an outstanding job 337 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:57,880 over those last I guess it was five rounds where he won most of them. 338 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,640 He was busier, he landed more punches. I thought I was able 339 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,640 to overtake pardon me, I thought Alien was getting tired. Did you perceive 340 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:08,799 that in the tenth eleventh, I thought he was tired and Goodman was still 341 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:11,720 fresh. Sure, I thought maybe maybe a little bit. But Goodman also 342 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,640 was dealing with the cut over his left eye, which certainly didn't help matters. 343 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,440 Listen, here's the bottom line. It was a good competitive fight between 344 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,559 two you know, solid contenders. Goodman, now maybe he was well known 345 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,440 in Australia. American audience now knows him a little bit better. Alien. 346 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:29,480 We've seen you know several times on the show Showtime Cards over the last few 347 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:33,359 years. He was coming off of a pretty long layoff also Alien was But 348 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,599 I mean, I don't just because Alien lost the fight, I wouldn't want 349 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:37,599 to watch I would. I would want to watch him again in a solid 350 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,720 matchup. But the main thing here now for the winner, which was Sam 351 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,680 Goodman, he's going to get the mandatory shot against Marlin to Polis, who 352 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,799 was the unified U title holder in the the w BA and the IBF. 353 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,839 I remember the other two titles in that way class are Stephen Fulton's belts, 354 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:55,519 which he's defending next month against Noya. In a way, and I will 355 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:59,200 give a little a little tease if you will, we will have in a 356 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:03,319 future episode an excellent interview I had recently with Stephen Fulton as we preview that 357 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,880 fight. But Sam Goodman put himself in position to be a player now at 358 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,920 one hundred and twenty two pounds. That's what this fight was about. Good 359 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,039 win for him. All Right, I'll put it off long enough do we 360 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,480 have to how long do we have to? All Right? We reaches Progray 361 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:23,079 successfully defends because they raised his hand and gave him a split decision the WBC 362 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:30,240 Junior Welterweight Championship in New Orleans in a homecoming fight that forgettable doesn't do it 363 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,400 justice. My god, It's almost like we need one of those light flashy 364 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,200 things from Men in Black, from Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith to have 365 00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:45,279 not what was this? This was supposed to be a homecoming and it was 366 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:51,000 just an absolute can I say turd? It was a turd? I what 367 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,000 was that? You get more more vulgar than I do? Let lose what 368 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,839 was? I was going to say a shit show? In the article that 369 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,319 I wrote about it, I did refer to it as a hot mess, 370 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,319 which is which is what it was. This was actually shockingly bad because listen 371 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,079 I've been watching Regious programs for years. I've never seen him. You would 372 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,480 say he's a bad fight, and even Zuria, who I haven't seen as 373 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:14,799 much. But when I watched him, for example, in his only previous 374 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,519 loss against Arnold Barboza, I mean, he lost a pretty wide decision in 375 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:22,559 the end, but it wasn't like I want to gouge my eyes out kind 376 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:23,599 of fight it was. It wasn't like a terrible fight. It was okay, 377 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:27,400 it was solid and uh you know. And when he started off this 378 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,960 fight, he came out with a certain amount of aggression and and and tried 379 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,400 to take it to Regis in the first couple of rounds, and then it 380 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,160 evolved. They both felt the other man's power. There was the lefty righty 381 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,480 situation, Regis of course being a south paw, Zuria being right handed, 382 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,680 so that did not help things. They tripped over each other. There was 383 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,279 what looked like a knockdown of Regis in round I guess it was round one 384 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,000 one wasn't the referee called him slip And when you know, I give Regious 385 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:55,839 credit when he was watching it back with our buddy Chris Mannox, who was 386 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,319 doing the post fight interview in the ring with his own you know, he 387 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,279 admitted that it looks like a knockdown and probably could have been knockdown. And 388 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,319 then of course we just got the legit knockdown a round three on his ledger. 389 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,839 But that was that was the end of the highlights of the fight. 390 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,720 Now, I want to go over copybox with you because this this was amazing 391 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,240 to me and I don't do that. You could have had a preschool or 392 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,480 compute copybox before you give me the numbers on this fight. There was I'm 393 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:23,559 not enough because this is absolutely shocking. I've I've been I've been covering boxing 394 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:30,279 for twenty three years and seeing post fight copy box statistics from probably thousands of 395 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,440 fights, thousands of fights and rarely do I remember then do they stick out 396 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:41,839 that much? This fight is amazing with the statistics. I'm about to shoot 397 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,559 off to you. First of all, we'll get the headline first. Copybox 398 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:51,400 has been tracking fight not every fight in the world, but tremendous announce of 399 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,880 fights, important fights, title fights, etc. For thirty eight years. 400 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,720 They've been doing the biggest fights in the sport. In thirty eight years, 401 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:00,680 think about how many fights they've done. It's got to be. I mean, 402 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,839 I don't know the number, but I mean, have they done ten 403 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,279 thousand fights? I mean probably, I mean, who knows a lot in 404 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,839 thirty eight years they've been doing boxing matches. This fight, they combine zuria 405 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,319 and progress to land according to their stats. Again, they're not necessarily perfect, 406 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:18,839 but they're pretty reasonable. Guide eighty four combined punches from the two fighters. 407 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:23,039 That is the fewest fights landed combined in a fight in the history of 408 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:29,839 copy Box for a title fight. Ever. Now that's punches combined in a 409 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,559 twelve round fight. I think I saw Antonio Margharito once lane eighty four punches 410 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:38,960 in a round or something crazy like that. So that's the first stat that's 411 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,720 like a mind boggling stat. Now when you're take you Now, So what 412 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:45,680 happens is a lot of times after these fights copy Box to the to their 413 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,119 media list, they'll send out the statuet. I mean you maybe see it 414 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,799 on the broadcast, yes, but also send out a statuet with all the 415 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:52,880 things broken down round by round and the percentage in the tower shots and the 416 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,319 jabs and a little notations at the bottom. And they do a great job 417 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,640 with them. I'm giving a big tip of the hat to my boy Bob 418 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,640 Kenobio ever a copy. We love teams, all right, So let me 419 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,920 give you a couple more things about how horrible and how pathetic and know what 420 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,319 a hot mass on, what a shit show? Regis Progray against dan Alito 421 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,839 Zuria is. And I'll, by the way, I'm gonna give Eddie Hernson 422 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,079 credit because for the master or hype man who does nothing but hype up his 423 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,519 stuff. Even he afterwards admitted, we'll get he couldn't hide, but he 424 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:25,279 couldn't hide from him. Here's a few more stats for you. Regis Progray 425 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,680 in round three landed zero of forty three punches according to their stats. Zero 426 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,519 of forty three, yes, now, I there there have been a few 427 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:42,200 times like zero of fifteen. Zero forty three is shocking, terrible. Now, 428 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,920 in round number six he landed I'm sorry. Round six and round and 429 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,160 round eight he's credited with landing one punch in each round and ten. So 430 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,279 in in one round he landed zero, in three rounds he landed one, 431 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,279 and in two other rounds he landed two. Now, if you think that 432 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,839 sucks ass, how about the numbers that Zuria put up? He never landed 433 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,720 that few, but he he landed one punch in the sixth round, one 434 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,319 punch in the seventh round, two punches in the eighth round, two punches 435 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:15,519 in the eleventh round. And you're like, well, how can Regis Program 436 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,480 win the fight when he lands so a few punches because he actually landed, 437 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,720 you know, more than the other guy over over the over the bows rounds 438 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,440 now here's the thing that's crazy about it. By the way, I told 439 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,720 you the eighty four punches was the lowest combined shots in the history of combat 440 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,119 box for a title fight. How about they each landed forty two apiece. 441 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,599 That sucks. But what gave Program the edge and why he was the rightful 442 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,519 winner? And I don't want to even talk about the dopes on Twitter saying 443 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,160 zaria one, because you can't win a fight when you don't land the better 444 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400 punches, you don't throw as many punches, and you don't get the official 445 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,480 lockdown, and you're in the other guy's hometown. So every single metric you 446 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,039 would think about, Regis was the rightful winner. Was it close? Absolutely? 447 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,319 Did the other guy win seven rounds? No, snow possible way. 448 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:02,200 So I had at one fifteen to one twelve, which is seven to five 449 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,519 on the cards in favor of Regis, and I was at eight four and 450 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,519 I had an eight party. So here's some other stats. Or Regis, 451 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,920 by the way, he landed for the entire fight eight point five percent of 452 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,839 his punches. That's pathetic. And the other guy who threw like almost two 453 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,359 hundred punches less only landed barely thirteen and a half percent of his punches. 454 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,400 On more ignominy. You like that word ignominy. Very nice, very nice. 455 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,279 Here's another stat that's fucking mind boggling. And I've literally never seen this. 456 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,359 I mean, if if if our guys at copy Box are listening, 457 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,359 can show me some pressed, you know, a pass fight that might match 458 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,960 this statistic, have at it. Never in my entire time of looking at 459 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000 boxing comfy box stats, which I do after every big show, even small 460 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,200 shows for that matter, that they track, I have never seen a fight 461 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,599 ten rounds, twelve rounds, probably eight rounds, maybe six rounds. Whatever 462 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:55,640 we are not in a single round from both combatants. Neither guy in each 463 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,480 of the twelve rounds ever connected with double digit and punches. Now here's what's 464 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,440 even more mind boggling about that. Now Regis finished the fights trunk. He 465 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,119 landed seven punches in the in the twelfth round and eight punches in the eleventh 466 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,920 round, so his total connects to forty two, fifteen to them were in 467 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,160 the last two rounds. Now Here's the thing, though, so that was 468 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:21,279 the fight high was eight punches landed for Regions in round number eleven and and 469 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,440 and actually Zouria landed to regis Is seven in round twelve or Zouria landed eight 470 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,480 and round twelve. In no other round in the fight that either guy lands 471 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,880 six or more punches. Regis landed six punch ninth round and the fourth round. 472 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:40,400 Zuria's punches landed per round six three, three, six, two one 473 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:47,880 one two, five, three two eight terrible punches landed per round star zero 474 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:55,599 four six two one two one six one eight seven absolute fucking garbage. Yea 475 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,200 terrible all right. And if anybody out there says that that Regis is a 476 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,319 dominating champion, that was pathetic. He said he was nervous because it was 477 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:06,519 at home. The benefit we'll get to that, we'll get it. We'll 478 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,759 get to the reasons why, we'll get to his explanation. And by the 479 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,759 way, he was very self deprecating, and he was actually funny after the 480 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,599 fight, and we'll get to that in a second. But I've heard this 481 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,720 for forty years in boxing, sometimes as a great way to describe bad fights 482 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:25,680 like this. One guy couldn't and one guy wouldn't. So Zuria would be 483 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,079 in the category of the one guy that couldn't. He's not that good of 484 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,880 a fighter, So that puts program in the category of one guy wouldn't. 485 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,759 Why didn't he cut the ring off? I agree? Why wasn't he going 486 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,519 to the body using the jab? He's in his hometown. I really believe 487 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,200 this was one guy couldn't Zoria he's not very good, and one guy wouldn't 488 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,119 program. And I don't have an explanation. Did they watch a single frame 489 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,240 of video on Zuria to scout him. It didn't look like it. It 490 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,480 did not disagree with you. I think it was it was Zuria who wouldn't 491 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,799 because he was petrified, and it was Regis who couldn't because he just was 492 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,200 unable. Maybe he couldn't anyway, but I just I don't think Zaria is 493 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,839 very good period. I know Regis programs a lot better at a world class 494 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,519 level than what we saw the other night, and he wouldn't cut the ring 495 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,400 off, and he wouldn't go at him round after round after round, and 496 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,200 maybe maybe it's going back to the first round. I don't think this was 497 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,559 everything. And he got hit with a punch and he did go down. 498 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,799 It was kind of a little scrum. They were falling over each other. 499 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,599 It was a punch. Maybe that made him apprehensive for a round or two. 500 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,119 But by god, by the sixth round, Dan, by the eighth 501 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,640 round, go at him, cut the ring off, and Regis even said 502 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,839 after the fight, I didn't do a good job of cutting the ring off. 503 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:41,079 I was I was not good tonight is basically what he was saying. 504 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,599 Well, I don't understand where was the adjustment. It looked like they had 505 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,559 not scouted this guy at all. It looked like Regis was not paying attention 506 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,279 to who the opponent was at all by how he fought. And then he 507 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,400 got in the ring and he admitted after the fight again, let's go over 508 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,480 this. He said, I was nervous. I was nervous in the hotel 509 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:04,200 room preparing for this because I'm in front of the home fans and so you're 510 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,559 he said afterwards, Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna say he's lying, 511 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,920 but I mean he was. He's fought at home before, maybe not 512 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,319 as a you know, as the WBC champion coming home after signing a big 513 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,759 free agent contract, but you know, and listen, in the long scheme 514 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,319 of things, this will be quickly forgotten. You know, we've we've had 515 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,000 more combat between us on the show than they had last night the fight. 516 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:25,279 What does Talking Box have us right now? Landed? I don't know. 517 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:30,480 I'm definitely definitely gotta be more. Oh, the incredible. The incredible thing 518 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:35,920 with what you said is eighty four punches landed in twelve rounds means there can't 519 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,039 be more than a couple of rounds where there were ten punches combine landed. 520 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:45,680 It's just bad um. And so now what about the future. And Eddie 521 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,599 Hearn again to his credit, said this was just not very good. But 522 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,359 they actually made a great funny point. It was humorous and a very good 523 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,960 point. Maybe this makes it easier for him to get a Devin Haney fight 524 00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:01,480 or a unification fight because Matiue or Haney or whomever saw that and said, 525 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,599 God, look how bad he looked. They made fun of themselves, but 526 00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:07,720 it may be true that Listen, that happens in boxing all the time when 527 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:10,920 you look Sometimes if you're a fighter that people don't want to fight, and 528 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,000 you keep looking so good, they give you a reason not to fight you 529 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,359 if you go out there and you maybe don't look so good, and they 530 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,279 make people more brave to get in the ring with there. Now, I 531 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,559 happen to think that this just turned out to be a shit fight. Neither 532 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:24,720 guy was on their game, that whatever reasons, the south right handed thing 533 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:28,839 mess things up all the different things that went into this, and that this 534 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920 would be more of an anomaly than the rule because Zarias fight against Barbosa wasn't 535 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,000 a bad fight. We've seen Regis in a lot of good fights over the 536 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,359 years. Certainly, you know his fight with Josh Taylor a few years ago 537 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,480 when their unification was one of the better fights that year. His fight against 538 00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:44,519 Zis a Paida that he won this title in back in November was a tremendous 539 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,480 battle, and we could go on and on about other exciting matchups that he 540 00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:50,240 has been in. So I look at this as sort of like an anomaly, 541 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,200 but it doesn't matter because we're here the day after in our job as 542 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,400 a talk about and dissect and analyze it and make fun of it and there 543 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,279 you go. All right, So we'll see what he gets next. I'd 544 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:00,400 like it to see if i'd like him to fight, uh, you know, 545 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,720 if Hainey decides to go up. I mean, that's a great matchup, 546 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:07,800 obo ascinating fight. But you know, and Eddie Hern mentioned Jack Catterall, 547 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,639 I don't know, maybe that's next, Is it Matthias? Because Matthias 548 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,559 is gonna fight win in a couple of weeks or next month. Well, 549 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:19,960 I mean the strategy was to have those two fight like in the Winter Ball. 550 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,440 I don't think Matthias is happening, most likely because it appears as though 551 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:28,159 he's going to stay with PBC, and despite some reports out there, there 552 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,440 is nothing set yet for late August. But it's a possibility that he'll fight 553 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,079 in late August, but it would be with PBC. Don't forget. The 554 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,400 other fight that's been strongly mentioned is for fight number two. I mean, 555 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,920 it could be Catterall, I suppose, because he's also with Matcham. But 556 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,079 the other fight that they have mentioned is the possibility of fighting the winner of 557 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:50,119 the fight takes that takes place in a few weeks between Richardson Hitchens and Montana 558 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,440 Love, that could be the next fight. And uh, you know if 559 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,960 Richardson Hitchins, you know, beats Love like he should, you know you'll 560 00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,880 hear Richardson Hitching be very mouthy and talk lot of ship leading up to that 561 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,280 fight. Is one thing that richards and Hitchins can do besides show outstanding skills 562 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,360 in the boxing ring, is he can talk. I mean, he hasn't 563 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,159 had the biggest level fight yet to show it, but I know that he's 564 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:15,039 a mouthy kind of guy in that sense, and so that's what you're looking 565 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,280 at. I mean, but but Progray, at least he didn't try to 566 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,760 sugarcoat it. At least try to sugarcoat it. That was a ship fight. 567 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,960 Let's move on, let's do and again he's a great talker, and 568 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,559 again give him credit because he owned up to it after it was over with. 569 00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,920 We'll see what I'm saving. I'm saving this compybox computer. I'm gonna 570 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,519 screenshot and save it because it's so horrible. So it's like it's horrible, 571 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,239 and it's in a funny way. It's so bad. Yes, It's like 572 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:44,840 it's like there's a meme out there. The only thing I could think of 573 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,800 when you were saying that is there's an all time college football meme whenever there's 574 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,000 a bad game of Frank Beamer, the Virginia Tech coach, when they were 575 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:55,159 playing an awful, awful game against Wake Forest in the ACC and the meme 576 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,519 is like, the final play of regulation falls incomplete, and Beemer got two 577 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:05,119 fists up, smiling and yelling, and it says, Virginia Tech nothing Wake 578 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,599 for Us, nothing into regulation. A college football game that has finished zero 579 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,280 zero, headed to overtime, and he's got both fists up smiling. That 580 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,000 was progrey Zoria last night. Just get us to the final bell, God 581 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,320 Almighty, all right, let's move on. Oh oh. We put the 582 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,679 podcast to bed. The preview podcast a Big Fight weekend preview podcast. We 583 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,519 then do the bet US Live show on Friday, as we typically do, 584 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:34,639 do our handicapping and try to figure everything out. And then comes the news 585 00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:38,360 that Oscar de la Joya has gone to US District Court in Nevada to sue 586 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,280 Ryan Garcia for the enforcement of their agreement because he believes Garcia is violating their 587 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,840 agreement and trying to act without them without Golden Boy Promotions as his promoter. 588 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,000 All right, Dan, you have written about this. We wrote about it 589 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:59,079 also on Big Fight Weekend dot com. There's some there's some fascinating points to 590 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,480 both side. You've also done some digging on your own. As we release 591 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,599 this podcast late Sunday in a Monday, what do you have. What's the 592 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,239 latest? Well, the crux of it is, as you said, they 593 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,679 sued Garcia in the US District Court in Thevada They and this the shoot has 594 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:22,039 geared more towards they had to sue Ryan in this uh in this lawsuit to 595 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:28,480 go along with because they also sued his advisor slash attorney Guadalupe Valenci, who 596 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,159 has worked with Ryan for quite a while. And what they're accusing them of 597 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:36,480 doing is it's a few different things. One is trying to negotiate with third 598 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,000 parties, you know, just to make people so they understand the promoter and 599 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:44,559 the boxer contract gives the promoter the exclusive rights to negotiate all contracts, all 600 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,800 things related to their boxing events, as well as broadcasting agreements and that sort 601 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,559 of thing. And they claim that after going back and forth and trying to 602 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,719 have a meeting of the minds and talk to them, and that they were 603 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,599 getting nowhere. That Golden Boy was put in in a position where they had 604 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:05,400 no other ways but to bring this action because they felt like Valencia was going 605 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,119 behind their back, without their permission, without their approvals, and trying to 606 00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:15,000 negotiate and and interject himself in either network deals, talking to other promoters, 607 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,760 talking to other opponents, etc. And uh, and from Golden Boys perspective, 608 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,039 then if you read any promotional contract, that would certainly be against what 609 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,719 the rules of the road are. So they are suing for for those purposes. 610 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,679 They're not looking for money from Ryan Garcia. They're looking for a court 611 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,599 to say you are the rightful promoter for this length of time, this is 612 00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,280 your agreement. And you know they they are trying to stay what's the word 613 00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:43,559 they're not, you know they're they say they're not trying to breach their contract. 614 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:47,000 They have continued to offer Garcia fights and opponents and try to negotiate and 615 00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,880 do the things in good faith you're supposed to do when you have these types 616 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,440 of agreements. But it's very obvious that Ryan and and Loupe do not want 617 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,400 to be with Golden Boy. That's been pretty much the way it's been going 618 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,320 on for quite a while. Remember, he signed the they had out. 619 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,280 This is not their first soap opera issue. They had issues, you know, 620 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,800 a few years ago. They were able to smooth those over. Ryan 621 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,599 ended up signing a long term extension that gave him a huge pay raise and 622 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:15,960 a big bonus. I have heard he got a signing bonus around two million 623 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,519 dollars back when he signed this contract in twenty nineteen. And now we're in 624 00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:24,599 the midst of that agreement. But the allegations that they make in this lawsuit, 625 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:29,760 which I published the full ten pages of it on my substack, they 626 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,960 claimed that even they made allegations during the negotiations of the fight between Ryan and 627 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,440 Jervante Davis, that Valencia was inserting himself and doing things that were not his 628 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,559 under his domain, and you know, and then of course it never helps 629 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,079 when as we've seen over to like the last couple of weeks where Oscar lashed 630 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,960 out at Ryan on Twitter and Ryan gave it right back to him, and 631 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,000 I thought that was probably the dumbest thing Oscar possibly. It don't even if 632 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,719 you believe that you don't attack your star client, your biggest name. You've 633 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,800 already been down the road with Kennelo Alvarez who left you at you know, 634 00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:06,000 for for not the same reasons, but he was upset about it. And 635 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:10,519 so when when the attorney who was going to represent Ryan in this litigation, 636 00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:15,079 a lawyer named James Poe, James bow Pearl, who I was in contact 637 00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:19,840 with the other Knight, who gave me a statement on their behalf. I'm 638 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,199 going to read part of this well, and this is telling this is uh, 639 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,039 this is this is it's it's it's about more than just the letter of 640 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,519 the contract. They're pissed off at Oscar, and this will tell you how 641 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:36,039 and why Golden Boys obligated to promote and enhance Ryan Garcia, not malign him 642 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,360 on Twitter and file a public, baseless lawsuit against him. So they're taking 643 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,559 what Oscar did his own unforced error, if you will, against Ryan on 644 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:47,800 social media, and they're gonna rub his nose in and they're gonna make him 645 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,360 pay for it. And uh, you know, it's nobody knows how this 646 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,599 is going to turn out, but you know it's going to be really interesting. 647 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:58,400 I mean, if if Ryan ever has another boxing match for Golden Boy 648 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,360 Promotions, because he doesn't want to be with them to fight on some other 649 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,559 platform. Loupy V people should know this also, and I listen. I'm 650 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,960 I have friendly relationships with Golden Boy. I've known Lupian, been friendly with 651 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:13,559 him for a while and Ryan since since he's a kid. It's all good 652 00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:17,280 from my perspective. But my you know, we don't bullshit on this podcast. 653 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,880 Lupy Valencia also has a close relationship with al Haman. He I believe 654 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,599 wants to have Ryan fighting under the PBC banner, believing that not because he's 655 00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,599 just a nice guy, because he believes that the way that PBC and Showtime 656 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:37,599 operate can enhance Ryan's marketability and earning power much more than can be done staying 657 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,400 with Golden Boy and fighting on the zone. That is their opinion, and 658 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,480 that is my opinion. Okay, so let's get to a couple of very 659 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:49,559 juicy particulars on this. What happened first before the Friday filing of the lawsuit 660 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,599 is that Valencia I don't know. It's not clear to me if Valencia wrote 661 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:57,480 the demand letter or if this bow Pearl that you talked to wrote a demand 662 00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,039 letter, which is the first step in legal seedings, whether you're going to 663 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:04,360 arbitration or whatever. You and I are both well versed in legal LEAs. 664 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,880 I know a lot of the fight fans your eyes glaze over, But this 665 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,159 is important. Pay attention, savages, pay attention, peeps, Rayfield class 666 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,960 in session. Just so I'll explain it very briefly. We don't have to 667 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,079 belabor the point. The lawsuit was in response to the previous week's letter that 668 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,480 somebody on Garcia's team sent demanding mediation because they were accusing Golden Boy of several 669 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,119 breaches in the pot and that was signed back in twenty nineteen. Okay, 670 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,280 so there's two or three important points. One of the things they're saying in 671 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:36,320 that demand letter is that California law where this was agreed to, says that 672 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:43,599 the maximum you can have a personal services contract promoter and fighter artist and promoter 673 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,480 for music, whatever it is, the maximum is seven years. So what 674 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,760 they are alleging in the demand letter is you signed Ryan in November of twenty 675 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:59,519 sixteen, and as of this November, we contend he can go with anybody 676 00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:02,679 he wants, because under California law, you can't lord over him unless he 677 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,159 agrees to a new deal. And he ain't agree into a new deal. 678 00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:07,440 That's in the demand letter. Well, let me just let me interrupt your 679 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,960 last seconds. Yes, there's a very good chance that Golden Boy would say 680 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,960 before he signed the extension there was at least a day or two break of 681 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,679 the contract that there was not a argument. Furthermore, and this is very 682 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,800 important because I was around that, I covered it and wrote all about it 683 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,800 at the time. That seven year California law that you spoke about is the 684 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,400 exact same law that Oscar de Lahoy exploited to get out of his contract with 685 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,639 Top Ranked years ago. So he's well familiar with it. So you know 686 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,079 now the shoe is on the other food. That's right, and it's a 687 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:40,159 good point that you make. Here's another fascinating thing where in the demand letter 688 00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:46,199 where they are angry with Golden Boy, that Golden Boy required Ryan Garcia to 689 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,760 have one hundred and twenty thousand dollars deducted from his purse. Not the end 690 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,159 of the world, but not insignificant. It's not like it's ten bucks or 691 00:43:54,159 --> 00:44:00,320 a thousand bucks. They had to pay to Zone apparently step aside money so 692 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,480 that Showtime and Premiere Boxing Champions would be in control of the broadcast, blah 693 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,760 blah blah, so that that fact alone is not at all surprise. That's 694 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,039 part of the negotiation to make it happen. I can understand. I don't 695 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,400 know how common it is, but I can understand. If you've got points 696 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,840 of contention back and forth, the fact that you're having to cut out of 697 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,280 your own purse to pay the broadcaster, I can understand where that would urcue 698 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,000 that's in the demand letter there by the way that they're mad about that. 699 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,639 Anyone say that Ryan Garcia did not do everything in his possible power, And 700 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:36,519 we talked about it at nauseum leading up to the fight, that Ryan Garcia 701 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,960 made the fight with Tank Davis happen so much to the point that he had 702 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,639 to go into his pocket and pay part of that money to allow that fight 703 00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:45,880 to happen. Not a lot of fighters to do that. And I will 704 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,800 praise or I don't care what anybody says. Ryan Garcia was desperate to fight 705 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,559 a top guy. I give him credit to the fact that the loss is 706 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:55,920 irrelevant to me. I think that he showed a lot of balls to do 707 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,360 it the way he did it. He was not taking no for an answer, 708 00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:01,159 and this says, now you know, as they say, clean up 709 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:05,119 an aisle four is what's going on right now? You got that right, 710 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,599 okay, And so now you have the response and you brought up Canello Alvarez. 711 00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:13,960 And this is the very compelling point where these two things are similar. 712 00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:17,920 What Cannello was contending back in the fall of twenty twenty is, I have 713 00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:22,320 a deal with you, Oscar, if you go and make a separate deal 714 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,039 with a broadcast outlet to Zone and think that that can come back and dictate 715 00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:32,400 to me on my deal. Uh. And ultimately Oscar got told you're gonna 716 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,920 lose on this point. There's a very very big difference though between the two, 717 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:42,679 and this is very significant. Go ahead, when Oscar and Cannello broke 718 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,039 up, they could have made their deal and done a fight. Here's the 719 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:50,000 thing. If the Zone wasn't going to approve certain opponents for Canelo Alvarez, 720 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:54,000 Golden Boy was on the hook to pay Canello like literally thirty five million dollars. 721 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,159 And so when when the Zone comes to them and says we're only going 722 00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,599 to give you twenty five, that was going to mean it was going to 723 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,599 be a giant amount of money that Goldenway was gonna have to risk, and 724 00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:07,079 they really had no choice but to push it out a release. But Ryan 725 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,239 Garcia his minimum, his minimums, and what they owe him. Now he's 726 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,000 being paid more than his minimum. My understanding is that every fight that Ryan 727 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:19,159 has had on his contract so far, he's only been paid the minimum one 728 00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,320 time. Everything else has been substantially over the minimum. But the point is 729 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:28,320 the number of dollars that they are risking to pay Ryan Garcia is far less 730 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,960 than what they had to pay against for a Canello fight, So they'd be 731 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,320 willing to do that with Ryan. They weren't going to gamble, you know, 732 00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,880 eight figures on a possible losing effort with Canello in terms of the business. 733 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,800 And this is why you are who you are, because you've got great 734 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,159 insight on this, and I hope the fans will loving it because I'm loving 735 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,960 being educated on this too. But still the premise is the same that they 736 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,519 are going to argue, which is, we have a deal with you, 737 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,320 Oscar, and if you go and do a deal with de Zone for all 738 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,679 this other stuff where we got to pay step aside money and it angers us 739 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,840 that doesn't have anything to do with us. He's going down the same road 740 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,199 in that regard, and I'm not saying they're gonna win the Garcia side. 741 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,239 I'm saying they're gonna make the same argument that we have a deal separately with 742 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,039 you than your broadcast. Here's the other thing about Ryan's contract that again nobody's 743 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,920 given me a copy of the contract, but I've been told this by multiple 744 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,920 sources that are familiar with the agreement, that he does have a carve out 745 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,480 in that contract to go on pay per view. That does not specify that 746 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,519 that pay per view must be on the Zone, because when he signed that 747 00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,800 contract extension, the zone wasn't even doing pay per view. The whole premise 748 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,840 for having a pay per view carve out in the agreement was, yes, 749 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:38,280 yes, we're with the Zone, but if we do pay per view, 750 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,960 or we want to be able to do pay per view if necessary, and 751 00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,679 if our broadcast or to zone doesn't do pay per view, we need to 752 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,840 have another outlet that does, which means an independent place ESPN Showtime, maybe 753 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,480 HBO gets back in whatever. You understand my point, Yes, now the 754 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,559 zone does pay per view, but it doesn't change the terms of his agreement. 755 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,480 And one interesting aspect of this is Steven s Poza, who was doing 756 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,480 this on purpose and as a savvy guy in part of the negotiation. Even 757 00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,719 a couple of years ago, when they were talking about a proposed Davante Davis 758 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,360 fight, he was doing interviews. He did an interview with us on this 759 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,400 podcast, He did an interview with numerous people. I heard him say it 760 00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,480 several times. He kept saying, Ryan Garcia does not have a deal to 761 00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:25,039 brought to Be's exclusively broadcast onto Zone for pay per view, exactly what you 762 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:29,519 just said. And so it's almost like he was planning it and putting it 763 00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:30,920 out there. Ryan, if you want to do a deal for pay per 764 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,320 view, we can make it happen. And eventually that is what happened for 765 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,159 the Davis fight. So I just I thought that part was interesting because putting 766 00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:46,159 it out there right view was born after Ryan's contract was signed. So it's 767 00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:51,800 all pay the lawyers and figure it out. Let's just let's just fast forward. 768 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,440 Is he ever fighting again for Dala Joya? Give me a prediction. 769 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,159 I don't think he is. What I don't know the answer. I mean, 770 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,079 he isn't until he is is the bottom in other words, they can 771 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:05,599 they can make an agreement and make up and kiss any moment I think they're 772 00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:07,960 divorced. I mean it's not. It's not looking good. But I'm not 773 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,519 going to make a prediction because business things weird. Shit happens, so you 774 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,360 know, for me to make a prediction is my stance. He's not fighting 775 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,920 anymore for dale Hood. I mean I would lean towards I would lean towards 776 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,000 no. But I'll tell you what if the if the contract is enforceable, 777 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,280 and the judge says, so Ryan Garcia had aged, you know, at 778 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,559 his age, with the amount of money he can make and the events he 779 00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:30,280 can do, it's not impossible that he would fight for them again. And 780 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,679 I'm gonna give you an example. And Oscar Daloway is in the crux of 781 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,280 it again. When he split with Top Rank, it was under terrible circumstances. 782 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,519 It was brutal, it was part of that whole personal services thing, 783 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:43,760 and and lots of other issues that came up between him and Bob Aaron and 784 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,960 we thought that was going to be it. Well, time passed and they 785 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,280 made up and they ended up doing a lot of fights together. After that, 786 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,639 Oscar was promoted by Bob Aaron for you know of several other fights during 787 00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,199 his career, including the big time fight he had with Bernard Hopkins and the 788 00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:58,960 fight before that, and there might have been even one or two after that. 789 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:01,760 But the point is, anything can happen if the if the deal is 790 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,800 right, you know they can make they can make it work. Well that 791 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,679 they will or not as a different story that yes, can they and will 792 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:14,840 they two different things. Well, So Oscar is the he needs to understand 793 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:19,840 that the things that are happening right now with him as a promoter are the 794 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,039 same things that happened when he was on the other side, and he should 795 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,000 take a quick minute and take a deep breath and reflect them what it was 796 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,159 like when he was in Ryan Garcia's position and he was fighting with Bob Aaron. 797 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:35,159 Because in this scenario, Oscar is now Bob Aaron understood she was on 798 00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:37,679 the other foot. Like you said, Okay, a couple of other news 799 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,400 items, some nostalgia, and then we are going to get out of here. 800 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,519 Uh okay, So you've got confirmation here that it is happening. David 801 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:50,320 Benavitez, David Morrell, I know you've been in contact with Sampson Lucawitz, 802 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,880 here about this, give me the juice that you have found out. What's 803 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,719 the latest. Well, if you remember from a few weeks ago, it 804 00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,199 was Sampson Lucawitz, you know, going public and saying they had made an 805 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,920 offer to Eddie Renoso to do a fight between Cannelo Alvarez and David benavide Is 806 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,840 in September, you know, a so called fifty million dollars offer. And 807 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,920 Samson said, well, I sent them a WhatsApp, I texted him, 808 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,119 I emailed them, and you know, none of his stuff must work because 809 00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,280 he's never answered me. Now, I'm pretty sure knowing Eddie Renoso, who 810 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,320 I have communicated with in different facets, are different ways. I'm pretty sure 811 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,639 he got those messages and they just didn't think that they needed to go down 812 00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:28,000 that road. If they want to make an offered of Denavidis, they would 813 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,920 do so, not the other way around. But the point is Sampson now 814 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,880 as well aware as his showtime and everybody involved, that for whatever reason, 815 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,159 Cannell Alvars is not pursuing a fight against David Benavides for the follower David Morrell 816 00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:40,480 for that matter, and keeping in mind of course, not that this is 817 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,239 the reason why Canello would do it. Besides the fact that they're good fights, 818 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,719 they both happened to be among Cannello alvars as mandatory challengers, David Morrell 819 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,920 as the mandatory as a WBA's regular tide holder at super middleweight and David Benavides 820 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:58,800 likewise as the WBC's interim champion. Nonetheless, with that being the case and 821 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,360 them knowing that that's not happen, Sampson has told me that they are absolutely 822 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,719 working towards and finalizing a deal for David ben and Vedas to fight against David 823 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,000 Morrell, probably later this year and in the fall. I guess uh, 824 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,559 maybe it slips over into the very beginning of this year, but most like 825 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:15,239 it's going to be the towards the latter part of this year, and that 826 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,519 I must tell you. While it may not be a mega bazillion pay per 827 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:24,000 view type fight the way that Jervonte Davis was against against Ryan Garcia, maybe 828 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,440 not even at the level in terms of pay per view as a as a 829 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,599 as a Devon Hainian of Assilly Lomachenko. If you're a boxing fan, that 830 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,639 is a great matchup and it's not even I guess one hundred percent whether it 831 00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:38,000 be a pay per view or a regular showtime. Knowing the way this unfortunate, 832 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,039 the way the business works, I would imagine they will try to put 833 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:45,760 that on a on a pay per view. But the point is tremendous battle 834 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,920 two young guys, two hungry guys, two undefeated guys, two guys you 835 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,599 know, with those secondary to sort of belts in the super middleweight division, 836 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,400 and that's what you want to see. You want to see the best against 837 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,840 the best. I mean, don't you think that would be just a spectacular 838 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,480 fight. I mean, I can the way we've seen benavidis perform recently, 839 00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:06,519 the way we've seen the way that that David Morrell has performed. I mean 840 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,840 he's coming off a monstrous ko one before that he had to beat down on 841 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,039 your Basinuli put him into hospital. I mean, he's he's a devastating puncher 842 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:16,480 and fighter also, as has Benevidio, so uh, you know again and 843 00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,480 talking to Sampson, he says, and I quote, this is the plan. 844 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,000 We don't have anybody else, and we have an agreement. Now maybe 845 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,559 that agreement is not signed, but they're they're making David Denividias against David Morrell 846 00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:30,559 and that's a great matchup for boxing pants And the rumor has been October. 847 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,440 So let's see when they officially sign it and getting according to Sampson, he 848 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,199 says to me, most likely October or November. Okay, stay tuned because 849 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,599 this dovetails into Canelo Alvarez like you just mentioned, and we mentioned him a 850 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:46,320 couple of times. Who is Canelo fighting? U Badu Jack? We hardly 851 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,760 knew you as a potential Canelo opponent. What is up here? Bad Do 852 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,039 Jack is not going to be the fighter? Why for Canelo? Well, 853 00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:57,119 first of all, let's back up a minute. If you remember back I 854 00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,719 don't know what was it a year and a half ago or so when there 855 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,079 was some questions about who Cannello was going to fight, and Eddie Renoso showed 856 00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:08,079 up at the WBC convention when they were making the various mandatories and the promoters 857 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:12,960 were going through there there reasons why their guy should get this fight, and 858 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,440 there it's like an open forum, and Eddie stood up and he asked a 859 00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,519 WBC if they would allow Canello, if they would sanction it for him to 860 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:24,320 go as he was their super middleweight champion to challenge then a WBC cruiserweight champion, 861 00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,480 Iluma Macabo, and they said okay, and there was a lot of 862 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,440 conversation that maybe that fight would happen, you know, in the point being 863 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,400 that you know, Makaboo maybe not a superstar, but a strong guy, 864 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,480 a durable guy, a powerful guy with a ton of knockouts, a south 865 00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:42,480 paw, and if that fight happened, Canello would the interest for him would 866 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,559 be to have the opportunity to win a world title in a fifth weight class, 867 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:50,440 because he has won titles at junior middleweight, middleweight, super middleweight, 868 00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:52,880 light heavyweight, and if you go to cruiserweight, which would be obviously the 869 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,719 upper echelon of where you could go in terms of his weight to become a 870 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,400 five division champion. And so it looked like that might happen for a little 871 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,679 while. Then that petered out and it didn't happen, and so subsequently Macabu 872 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,800 ended up fighting against Bad Duke Jack on the undercard of the Tommy Fury Jake 873 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,679 Paul fight earlier this year, and Bad dud Jack, who has won, 874 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,280 by the way and been a tremendous fighter for a number of years, He's 875 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,440 been a champion at super middleweight and at light heavyweight, and he won the 876 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,519 fight he stopped. He cost me my over on that pick. I'm still 877 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,760 additive about that, but no, no, in all seriousness, he put 878 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,239 on a tremendous performance that that that card. He won the title in the 879 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:36,039 twilight of his career and became a three division champion. And so now Canello 880 00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,119 was sort of like, as he's looking for a September opponent, Bad Duke 881 00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:43,480 Jack's name was one that was mentioned by their team about going up to fight 882 00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:45,719 him and again try to go for a cruiserweight title, and so they had 883 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,239 had conversations with the people at Skills Challenge in Saudi Arabia, which is the 884 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,760 promotion company that Bad Dud Jack signed with not that long as he has been 885 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,559 fighting regularly in the Middle East. He's now living in Dubai and he is 886 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,639 a devout Muslim and that's the sort of place he wanted to be, and 887 00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,440 so there was the thought that if they make the match, it would come 888 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,440 to Saudi Arabia. However, this weekend, Bead Dude Jack went on his 889 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,840 Twitter feed and he quote said, I won't be fighting Cannelo next, they 890 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,679 said, us said the waight difference is too much. They wanted to drain 891 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,199 the old man and fight me two hundred pounds under the cruiser weight limit for 892 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,760 the title. Plus they wanted to rehydration class. So Canello wanted to bring 893 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:29,639 him below two hundred, make him ever rehydration clause, and and bed du 894 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,360 Jack just you know, he would be willing to fight Canello, I believe, 895 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,039 but he knows his body and it's not going below two hundred and it's 896 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:38,920 certainly not doing it and then having a ten pound rehead or whatever the number 897 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,800 of the pounds were rehydration class. The point here is that bad Dude Jack 898 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,519 has now removed himself from contention to be the next opponent for Canello. So 899 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:51,360 it's like Cannello's opponents are kind of dropping like flies because we all want to 900 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,119 see him fight Benabdes. But if you take if Benabedes is fighting morel that 901 00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:58,440 takes like the next best two super middle weights out of the equation. And 902 00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:01,760 if that dude Jack is not fighting him as the cruiserweight option, uh, 903 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,559 you know, now you start. Peeble says the money's not right for the 904 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,920 r and they also weren't able to work to wait out there. So now 905 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,880 you take people off the table. I mean, you don't got to be 906 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,239 a fucking rocket scientist to say, let's see what happens on Saturday, June 907 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,639 twenty fourth. If Edgar Berlanga destroys UH when he goes into the ring uh 908 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:25,199 and takes on Jason Quigley and does what he's supposed to do, I might 909 00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:29,159 be willing to put a small wager that the next opponent we see come September 910 00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:31,519 is next Goo versus Puerto Rico against Berlanga. Right right, that makes sense. 911 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,559 It is a sense. But the rumors still out there that it's Jamal 912 00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,840 Charlow moving up, which again I'm not interested in then in either of you 913 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,559 right now, because the guy hasn't fought for two years and he's gonna have 914 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:45,119 to move up to fight Canelo. You know, thank you, no thank 915 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,119 you on that. But who is he fight? I think that I think 916 00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,679 that if I had a uh, you know, handicap it, let's say 917 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,920 that I would probably Again, this is all depended upon whether Berlanga wins and 918 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,719 looks okay doing so. Uh. I think there's probably a decent chance that 919 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:06,159 he would fight Berlanga before he fought Charlo. Okay, I kind of am 920 00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,360 not really that pump for either one of them to bet. Well, we'll 921 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,719 see if they come back around to Beeble and work the terms out on whatever 922 00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:15,679 it is. And I totally understand Beeble's point of view because he's given a 923 00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,760 couple of interviews that we haven't really talked about on our podcast, which is 924 00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:22,840 I'm not fighting him for the same money I beat him. And the second 925 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,199 point is I agree with this. What's in it for me to fight him 926 00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,559 at light heavyweight and beat him again? What's in one for him? Well, 927 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,920 then give him more money because obviously the money isn't right right now for 928 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,280 that. The other thing would be for the prestige of being undisputed at one 929 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:42,440 sixty eight if that's what Beeble wants to do. So let's see if they 930 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,960 come back around on that. Beeble's got his own problems because you know, 931 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,039 he's not fighting Canelo. You know, I'll due respect my buddy Vadim Kornilov, 932 00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,639 who was his manager, who I've known for many years, who's been 933 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,360 on our podcast with Beeball a few weeks ago. You know, they keep 934 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,039 talking about they're gonna try to make this fight with better Be it for undisputed 935 00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,719 at light heavyweight, and that's just not happening. And the reason it's not 936 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,800 happening, I mean, I guess technically they can make the match, but 937 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,519 I won't be undisputed because unless the WBC benz, which I don't think they're 938 00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:08,639 going to do so. Mauricio Suliman has been on record numerous times over the 939 00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:12,719 last few weeks saying they are sticking to their guns and not going to allow 940 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,840 Bible to fight for the for their light heavyweight title, based on what they 941 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:22,280 said back when Russia invaded Ukraine that they're not letting the Russian fighters fight for 942 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,119 their titles and those types of challenges. Now people can say it's hypocritical because 943 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,719 better b of Hiss Russian himself, and yes, of course he's born in 944 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,519 Russia, grew up in Russia, fought for the Olympic team from Russia twice. 945 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,239 But he's lived his entire career, fought his entire career fourteen or so 946 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,400 fifteen years out of Montreal. He's a Canadian citizen, ETC's he builds himself 947 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,960 as from Canada. That's where he lives. That's where his family is. 948 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,559 I mean, basically he's Canadian. It's you know, he immigrated, let's 949 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,840 say, to Canada, you know when his pro career began. So I 950 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,760 get the nuance there. But nuance in boxing and Twitter are not one that 951 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,920 all make of a good combination. All right, Very good with all of 952 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,800 that said, somet algia before we are done, not one, not two, 953 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,719 but three different anniversaries. A couple of them were actually Saturday, speaking 954 01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:13,360 of Oscar de la Joya deal Lajoya Shane Mosley, Sugar Shane Mosley one tremendous 955 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:19,159 fight. Also Jermaine Taylor and Saint Petersburg, Florida's Winky Wright in an epic 956 01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,840 battle that ended up being a draw in Memphis. You WoT ringside for both 957 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:28,159 of these fights on June seventeenth, that one was in two thousand and six 958 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,079 and then coming up Actually, as we released the podcast on Monday, is 959 01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:38,440 the thirtieth anniversary of Tito Trinidad winning the IBF welterweight title, his first championship, 960 01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:44,039 just twenty years of age. Lots of nostalgia, Rayphael around this weekend, 961 01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,280 around Father's Day weekend, give me some more. Well, starting off 962 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,480 at dal Laia Mosley. One. Of course, they fought two fights. 963 01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:53,840 The second fight controversial decision in favor of Shane Mosley. Kind of a forgettable 964 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,280 fight in the ring that was for the junior middleweight title. But the welterweight 965 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,800 title fight they had in two thousand that we're talking about, which is the 966 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,000 anniversary twenty three years ago. Awesome fight to this day, one of my 967 01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,679 most favorite fights I've ever covered. A brilliant tactical battle with massive amounts of 968 01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:14,000 action. Also two guys really at the top of their game, fast offensive, 969 01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:17,519 defensive, speed skills. They had a local rivalry because they were friendly 970 01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:23,360 since their kids. They had come up in the amateurs together. Shane Moseley 971 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,039 sparred with Oscar to help him out when he was preparing for the nineteen ninety 972 01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:31,440 the nineteen ninety too Olympic Games when he ended up winning the gold medal. 973 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,800 They've known each other forever. That was a big part of it. It 974 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,159 was the first ever fight at Staples Center now Crypto Arena in Los Angeles. 975 01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:43,800 So the two hometown guys fighting for big stakes, the welter white title HBO 976 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,400 pay per view that night, just a huge event. I always say to 977 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,079 myself, even though I started covering boxing for USA Today on a full time 978 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,199 basis earlier part of two thousand and to cover a few fights before that for 979 01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:00,360 other places I had worked for me The first really big fight I ever covered 980 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,280 in person that I traveled for and was ringside for was Dale lejoya Mosley one. 981 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,159 I can remember it as vivid as anything. First time I ever traveled 982 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:12,679 to California and my life business or otherwise, first time I ever was in 983 01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:15,840 Los Angeles. First time I met Oscar and Shane, whose careers I chronicled 984 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,679 for many many years after that. Oscar to this day, even still as 985 01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:24,280 a promoter. First time I ever met in person most of the staff from 986 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,199 top rank. My first time I ever met Bob Aram and his team, 987 01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:31,440 you know, Bruce Trampler and uh and Lee Samuel was the great publicist at 988 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:37,079 the time, Todd de buff the you know, the Bob Stepson and the 989 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,320 president of the company. And I will never forget my first I had spoken 990 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,000 of Bob several times on the phone. Of course, I'd been writing about 991 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,519 boxing for several months before I went to LASS. I had gotten hired in 992 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:52,480 March of two thousand, started at USA today, but didn't travel to a 993 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:54,480 top rank event until that June. So a few months later. So I 994 01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:58,960 had talked to Aaron several times on the phone. I walked into the to 995 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,239 the Media Center and Staples Center. However, many days before the fight, 996 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,440 and and Bob came over and said, he's the man that saved boxing at 997 01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:07,920 USA today, and give me a big hug. That was my interest to 998 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,960 because we were starting to cover boxing much more than we had before I was 999 01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:16,840 hired to cover boxing. Anyway, a spectacular fight. I've never been like 1000 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,840 really a starstruck kind of person, but I was sitting ringside, and it 1001 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,679 didn't matter where you looked. In every single direction you looked, any which 1002 01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:27,039 way you saw somebody famous that you recognize. A politics names, Give me 1003 01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:32,480 some names, Pamela Anderson, Sydney Sydney Potier, Mel Gibson, I mean 1004 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:39,199 Magic Johnson, I mean the team basically the eighteen. Just to put it 1005 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,280 like this, I remember this is as clear as day. There was an 1006 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,079 Associated Press reporter who covered a lot of LA based things, and she was 1007 01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:51,519 there as a secondary reporter for the Associated Press named Beth Harris. And she 1008 01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:53,719 maybe she's still out there doing her business. But we were sitting next to 1009 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,280 each other at the fight, and there were so many movie stars. I 1010 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,960 think Tiger Woods was there. There were so many movie stars in famous athletes 1011 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,400 and just different famous people that we were like literally writing on a piece of 1012 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,719 paper between us, like all the famous people that we saw sitting ro all 1013 01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:12,039 within close proximity to us, like you know, very close to where we 1014 01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:15,039 were. It was just an amazing event. But then the fight was fucking 1015 01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:19,280 spectacular, close fight, highly contestified, great battle around in the twelfth ROMD 1016 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,000 where they both sold out and went for the knockout. I mean, one 1017 01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,559 of the great calls from Jim Lample. You know they're both going for it 1018 01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:28,360 in a classic pitch battle, and I never forget as clear as day, 1019 01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:32,000 Oscar dale Oya got hit with an uppercut and his face turned towards Press Row 1020 01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:36,039 and I swear to god, your eyes just caught his eye at that moment 1021 01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:40,360 and he was looking at it if we got tagged with that punch. A 1022 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,880 remarkable fight. Shane won the decision, rightfully won the welterweight WBC title. 1023 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,519 A lot of people put him number one on the pound for pound list after 1024 01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:50,039 that victory and to this day. It's one of the great fights that I've 1025 01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:57,119 ever covered. Love it again. Winky and Taylor was a draw in Memphis, 1026 01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:01,079 and you believe that fight was even scoring. Yeah, that fight was 1027 01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:05,360 in Memphis, Tennessee at the FedEx Forum. Uh that not the Pyramid where 1028 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,239 we talked about the last Louis Tyson fight. Take kind of like around the 1029 01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:15,639 corner from where the FedEx Forum now Bill Street exactly. H and H. 1030 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,320 Taylor and Winkie put on a hell of a fight. It was I thought 1031 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,800 it was a draw, but this was like the people should remember, this 1032 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,119 is the legitimate middleweight championship of the world. Winky Wright was had been undisputed 1033 01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:29,599 at junior middleweight. This is the three belt here. He had beaten Shane 1034 01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:33,360 Mosley. He's now fighting Jermaine Taylor for the middleweight championship. Jermaine had had 1035 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,039 won the title from Bernard Hopkins. He had vacated different titles or have been 1036 01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,119 stripped or what. Everybody's still had two of the belts and he defended them 1037 01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:43,960 that night against Winky Wright. And most people thought it was not going to 1038 01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,320 be a great fight because Winky was not known for being, you know, 1039 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,880 an action fighter. Anybody that has watched him knows that his game was just 1040 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:56,199 he was a phenomenal a phenomenal defensive fighter, uh, not unknown for a 1041 01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:59,960 big time offensive output. But they made a much better fight than I think 1042 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:04,400 anybody possibly could have imagined that it would have been. And uh, and 1043 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,920 it turned out to be a really good fight, contested fight. And then 1044 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,239 the thing is it became kind of a joke later, Uh, Winky they 1045 01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:14,400 were going to do a rematch after the draw, and Winky was upset with 1046 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,119 the money and made certain demands that that that just were just out of the 1047 01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:21,760 realm of reality. And when I was working at USA today, we ended 1048 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,559 up because I thought it was a terrible decision that he made from a business 1049 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,880 point of view. Every bad decision that a boxer made in terms of their 1050 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,320 economics became known as a graduate of the Winkie Right school of boxing business where 1051 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,679 that term initiated from. But that fight between him and Jermaine go on go 1052 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,320 on YouTube because it kind of is like a lost classic in a way. 1053 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,559 A lot of those fights of that, like mid two thousands, uh, 1054 01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,920 that don't get talked about a lot, But that was one of those really 1055 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,519 outstanding battles, and uh, you know, Jermaine Taylor was a hell of 1056 01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:50,400 a fighter during his during his dead prime. You know, he may not 1057 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,000 be going to the Hall of Fame, but he's got quite a bit of 1058 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:57,599 accomplishment. And Winkie right, you know, besides that draw, he had 1059 01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,800 one win after that against Ike Coorte, then lost his three fights. But 1060 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,199 he's now in the Hall of Fame for rightful reasons, including beating Felix Trinidad, 1061 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:08,360 including the two victories over at Shane Mosley just uh you know, two 1062 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,639 two top fives after best that night, and when Winky Wright had beaten Felix 1063 01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:15,760 Trinidad just before that, had beaten Shane Mosley twice just before that. In 1064 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,320 my man wink again, I always relate this whenever we talk about it. 1065 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,599 We talked about it a few weeks ago that when Winky was fighting back in 1066 01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:25,840 the nineteen nineties, at times he was making like fifteen grand to go over 1067 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,599 to France. Fifteen grand. That didn't cover his expenses to go and fight. 1068 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,960 So when the guy started winning bigger, more marketable fights, I can 1069 01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:36,960 understand your eyes light up and you want more dollars from where you've come from. 1070 01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:40,920 So I get I get that too, and he had a Hall of 1071 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,079 Fame career as well. And then a lot of thought people thought he won 1072 01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:46,480 that fight against against her Man. I thought it was a draw. And 1073 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,280 then also speaking of Tito Trinidad, that was thirty years ago that he won 1074 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:59,079 his first world title in June of nineteen ninety three destruction of Maurice Blocker. 1075 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:03,079 We've talked a lot about Tito Trinidad as well on this podcast. That was 1076 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,960 his first real quick that was the first world time always one of my favorite 1077 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,159 fighters. That was a showtime fight took place in San Diego, wasn't actually 1078 01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:14,519 the main event. He fought Maurice Blocker on the undercard, who was at 1079 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,039 that time the ib of Champion. The main event that night because Terry Norris 1080 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:20,640 is from the San Diego area. He defended the WBC one hundred fifty four 1081 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,199 pound title the main event and scored a third round knockout against Troy Waters. 1082 01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:28,680 But the historical fight that night was we didn't know it at the time, 1083 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,479 but the twenty year old Tito Trinidad in his coming out party to many people 1084 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,680 with a not just a knockout of Maurice Blocker, but a devastating knock at 1085 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,279 a Murraic Blocker. In my recollections, that Maurice Blocker must have been on 1086 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:42,039 the campus for you know, two or three minutes, like trying to shake 1087 01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:45,479 the cobwebs and get out of that monstrous just a and it was a classic 1088 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,960 Tito Trinidad left hook. And at twenty years old, you thought you're seeing 1089 01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:51,399 like a future Hall of Famer and a guy that was going to be on 1090 01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,760 the pound for poundless and be an all time great and all these things you're 1091 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,439 running through your mind. And guess what he did every single one of those 1092 01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,800 things. And he won that welterweight belt, defended it, you know, 1093 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,760 many many times, ultimately became a champion at one hundred fifty four pounds in 1094 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,800 a devastating fashion against David Reid defense and a great all time fight against Fernando 1095 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,840 Vargas. Became a title holder in the middleweight division with that memorable knockout in 1096 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:18,279 incredible atmosphere against William Joppy, and then of course met his waterloo against Bernard 1097 01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:23,279 Hopkins. But the night that he beat Maurice Blocker, all you could see 1098 01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:28,520 was this just possible future superstar, one of the great exciting young fighters, 1099 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,239 Puerto Rico's next big thing, and he lived up to every single one of 1100 01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:35,960 those hopes. Just a just a really great knockout in a great performance. 1101 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:42,359 And the excitement that I had for Tito Trinanot's career after seeing that was like 1102 01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,399 palpable. And you know, he's been one of my favorite fighters for many, 1103 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,039 many years, and I love the guy, big punching, Puerto Ricans, 1104 01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:51,079 superstar Hall of Fame fighter. We have thirty years ago, TJ. 1105 01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:56,439 I know we are getting old. We have given you a ton on the 1106 01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,960 recap podcast here, lots and lots, whether it be the Tim Zoo win 1107 01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:05,159 whatever that was with Progray's defense in New Orleans, some fight news, fight 1108 01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:11,079 nostalgia. I think we're good here. We're ready to roll on with another 1109 01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:14,560 week off a Father's Day again. You've got a regroup with the troops after 1110 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,159 they get back from the play. Good luck to you. I've got dinner 1111 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,439 tonight for Father's Day. As we tape the podcast, we release it overnight 1112 01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:25,279 into Monday, Sunday night into Monday. We'll be back with a preview podcast 1113 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,520 coming up later this week. Again on the schedule. We're always previewing into 1114 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,039 Friday, recapping, coming off the weekend, overnight, Sunday, in the 1115 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:35,119 mind, anything else. So are we good? My friend? I think 1116 01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:39,199 we're good. Just let I didn't go to the fight? Yes, or 1117 01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:42,680 yourself? Five bonus points on that when Boss moved by Raphael. There you 1118 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,399 go. There is Dan Rayphel. Read him on the Fight Preach Unit substack 1119 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,920 Bigfight Weekend dot com as well. We thank you for finding us here, 1120 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,319 Follow or subscribe to the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. You've been listening to 1121 01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:55,960 the Fight Freak Shoe Nights recap for Dan Rayphel. I'm TJ Reeves. Have 1122 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:56,479 a great week.