WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:05.200 Um, that was odd. I mean just because the last time that I'd 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:09.560 gone to I mean, I had tended to Antiochian Church for a year in 3 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:14.080 two thousand and seven. But even that, you know, there's not you 4 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:18.559 don't stand up for most of that in the US and Antiochian churches. Um. 5 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:22.640 I was used to the Latin Mass, and then Latin Mass you're constantly 6 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:26.760 on the kneeler and you're standing up and then you're kneeling and and it was 7 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:31.480 just odd to me to be in a Russian parish and getting used to, 8 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:36.679 over several months standing for the entire liturgy. I mean, I know that's 9 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.079 kind of an odd one. But those are only two things I can think 10 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:44.600 of that really were just things I wasn't used to to had to adjust to. 11 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.439 Yeah, I think I think I can kind of not like the whole 12 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:53.520 standing thing to me, that kind of seemed natural, um, but the 13 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.240 kind of like some parts of the liturgy I kind of explained it precisely what, 14 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.799 but like some parts of the liturgy kind of like chanting was definitely took 15 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.480 me some time to get used to it. Not because like not a problem 16 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.760 that I had with chanting, it's just that I never liked that kind of 17 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.480 music. It's not you know, it's holy music, so it's not something 18 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.560 that is proper to talk about in terms of personal preference. But now I'm 19 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.760 kind of like, yeah, like it's something that now I kind of like 20 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:21.560 sing some hymns in my head sometimes because it's kind of like more upbeat and 21 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.480 cheery or some chances that are really cool. But like for the first time, 22 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:27.599 it kind of because I come from a Muslim country, right, so 23 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.560 we're used to calls to prayer, used to the asan, and that that 24 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:37.480 was always annoying to me. Just so hearing something like that was kind of 25 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:40.120 like, I mean, I kind of I kind of don't want this, 26 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.079 right, but it's kind of like, you know, with in the proper 27 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:48.640 context, you start to appreciate that kind of chanting and melody. That's something 28 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.680 that I can say for at least for myself, but I think that's something 29 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:53.239 that most people don't have experienced that. So we got some a couple of 30 00:01:53.239 --> 00:02:00.959 other super chats, Mark with twenty dollars super Chat again really appreciated. Thank 31 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:04.359 you, Mark. He says, I take more products are seeing people turned 32 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.159 towards the East, and certainly used the smearss of aid to put up a 33 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.919 barrier. I think so too. Yeah, and recently using shooting interviews to 34 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:15.199 bolster their positions, and that's something that they do. Taltson Shooting seems odd 35 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.400 to me. I'll say some stuff briefly about him. He always tried to 36 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:23.639 Protestantize Orthodoxy. Even though he had like one decent book about presubpositionism, he 37 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.960 always when he read his blogs and articles. I noticed this because a couple 38 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.120 of a couple of friends posted them to me to kind of like, look, 39 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.319 here's piano substitution at home in Orthodoxy and it's from shooting, ye, 40 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.080 And I'll read about it and it's like the arguments aren't really that good. 41 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.719 I'm not really convinced. But you know, he always tried to Protestantize Orthodoxy 42 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:44.800 and so they're using him as the poster boy. It's like, oh, 43 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.000 look he was Orthodox and he became Protestant. But for like every shooting, 44 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:54.120 they're like ten opposite people, you know, going from not ten thousands, 45 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:00.439 there's a thousand people that are moving from Protestantism to Orthodoxy. So I mean, 46 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.439 I guess I'm happy that they finally found someone they can use after like 47 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:13.120 what like five six, seven years of YouTube apologetics from various people. Cool, 48 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:20.560 but that's not really impressive in my opinion. Yeah, I mean one 49 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.599 thing that I guess what's what's sad about a lot of the online apologetic sphere. 50 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:28.560 And one of the reasons I think that we have the success that we've 51 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:38.560 had is that a lot of people rely on personal experiences, drama, all 52 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:42.080 of the things that are bad reasons, and a lot of people are just 53 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:49.159 banking on bad reasons to not be Orthodox or to be something else. And 54 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.479 I mean, I'm sure Shooting has various arguments that he makes and points that 55 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.080 he makes. I'm not saying that he doesn't make those points, but it's 56 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.639 like for a lot of people, oh we got one, right, It's 57 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.560 like, oh, we finally got one. Oh we got somebody who's not 58 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.840 hanging out with Jay and David anymore. We got him. And they think 59 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:13.039 that like this is really going to be a driving factor in people not becoming 60 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.199 Orthodox or becoming Roman Catholic or Protestant or something, and these kinds of things 61 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:20.879 don't. This is not ultimately what's going to decide anything. Just like talking 62 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:26.399 about moral corruption, it might be relevant, but it's not going to be 63 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:32.759 the ultimate reason why this or that church or religion isn't true. So I 64 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:36.160 mean at a certain level, that's that's different depending upon the system. Like 65 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.759 in Roman Catholic theology, if we were just sitting around saying that, oh, 66 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:45.160 well, the pope is an immoral person, and look how many immoral 67 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.680 priests there are, if that was our only argument, right, like the 68 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:51.519 way Lofton thinks that we argue right, that would not be a very good 69 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.040 argument, not be enough. But that's never been the point. Nobody's ever 70 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.279 been saying that, oh well, let's find out who has less corruption, 71 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.680 and let's these are all just bad reasons. Ultimately, it's going to have 72 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:06.360 to come down to which position is true or false. That's it. You're 73 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.839 not going to determine this on the basis of who can you know, pull 74 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:14.920 up more drama on this or that online person. That's not. Ultimately, 75 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.399 that's only going to work for the lowest tier people. And if you want 76 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:23.160 to pack your ranks with the lowest tier people, go for it, because 77 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.480 but that's not gonna last very long, and that's not going to give you 78 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:30.439 much strength. So I don't think it really Ultimately, it's not gonna matter. 79 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:31.959 I mean, you can find people who switch religions all the time. 80 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:36.399 So what if there's a guy who used to be this and now he's that. 81 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.000 I mean, I've changed my position. So what I think that you 82 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.759 know, when you look at what shooting is real issues were It's like, 83 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:48.720 dude, I mean, how are you even Orthodox that long? And you 84 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:55.639 thought the substitutionary atonement was true? Like where were you getting your theology? 85 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.399 That's like a that's something you should have learned within like the first year or 86 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.120 two of an Orthodoxy. And so here this guy's about to be a priest 87 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.439 and he still thinks penal substitution is true. I mean that's kind of embarrassing. 88 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.920 Yeah, definitely. And one thing is kind of relevant because something that 89 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:18.600 happened recently in Rocrep is I guess they I guess they intitute a new policy 90 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:24.480 or for like, if a priest is going from a different sect to Orthodoxy, 91 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.360 they're gonna be like, make it wait for three years before they receive 92 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.480 him as a priest because of things like this. It was something like this, 93 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.480 and and I think that's definitely, especially today, that's certainly a policy 94 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:39.560 that needs to be considered at the very least, because yeah, I mean, 95 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.959 this just goes to show that, you know, proper education is something 96 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.720 important. Paula Philippe, thank you for the two. Brazilian reality doesn't really 97 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.360 show anything, so I assume he didn't really right, just donated, so 98 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:56.759 appreciate man. Thank you. Frankie d Jay. I have really been struggling 99 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.079 with evolution as an explanatory paradigm for human behavior. Do you have any book 100 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:04.839 recommendations for breaking out of that? So let me say that, like, 101 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:11.839 if you listen to somebody like Professor Edward Dutton, like when he describes evolutionary 102 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:17.199 psychology and human action and interaction at a sociological level, there's nothing wrong with 103 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:24.199 that, and it makes perfect sense because all he's describing is adaptation, and 104 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.199 we do, as human beings, adapt to things, and that's a valid 105 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:35.000 form of evolution. But that's different than the notion of the transmutation of species 106 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:40.560 from a single originator. Right, that's a different thing. Now. I 107 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.240 know that in academia those are connected, but I'm saying that from our perspective, 108 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.920 there's nothing wrong with saying that beings or species adapt to their environment and 109 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:57.399 a lot of what is evolutionary psychology is useful in that way. So that's 110 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.720 true. I don't have a problem with any of that. Like, for 111 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:05.480 example, he does podcasts where he talks about the history of witchcraft and how 112 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:15.319 feminism arises out of witchcraft. Because of the biological imperatives for the for members 113 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:20.480 of the species that reproduce, right, they are usually able to get along 114 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:26.959 in society. They're not abnormal, they're not they're not forced to the fringe. 115 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.960 Whereas in the time, say when witchcraft was beginning to be popular in 116 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.080 the Middle Ages, this these were the proto feminists because they were the ugos, 117 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.639 they were the nasty hags right, that couldn't get a man, and 118 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:50.480 so they became they found ideological systems that would validate them, such as witchcraft, 119 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:54.720 right, and so he has a great analysis of that, and he's 120 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:00.159 looking at it from an evolutionary psychology perspective. But I don't have to. 121 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.080 I can listen to that and believe that without accepting the notion of, you 122 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.720 know, the evolution of all species from a single organism. I mean, 123 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:16.320 I think that's ludicrous and nuts. So books that break out of that paradigm. 124 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.360 Sarah from Roses Justice Creation Early Man, who is a classic. I 125 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:22.799 mean, a lot of this book is Church fathers, and a lot of 126 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:28.799 this book is critiquing the philosophy of evolution. So I've always critiqued it from 127 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.000 I'm not a scientist, so I don't critique it from the perspective of biological 128 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.399 science. I critique it from the perspective of philosophy. But you know, 129 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.320 there's a good essay in the books, sort of Nosis by Titus Bruckhart that's 130 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:46.639 probably the best sixty page critique of philosophy that I've ever read. So I 131 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:52.399 would recommend that. Yeah, definitely recommend. And Paulo, I guess it's 132 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.559 kind of he said another tude. Basically probably he didn't show, but I 133 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:01.279 saw his question, so will answer that. He says, I became Orthodox 134 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:03.759 online, but here in Brazil has almost no Orthodox church. What should I 135 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.840 do? I think, definitely, And if you join the Orthodized Christian Discord, 136 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.039 now people are going to say, oh, your discord church. No. 137 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.080 If you go to the Ortodized Christian Discord, you can find some priests 138 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.960 there like Father Justin for example, um and Father Mihail. These are some 139 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.720 priests that you can contact and kind of like have them help you and so 140 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:30.000 that when you get you know, at a certain point they can baptize you, 141 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.159 and and and and all that kind of stuff. Um. Other than 142 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:37.720 that, I heard some Brazilians having Orthodox churches there. I don't know which 143 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:39.240 part of Brazil you're living. It's a big country zone. You know, 144 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.759 it's possible that it's nowhere near you. But um, you can definitely contact 145 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:48.440 some of the priests that we have in the discord. As I said, 146 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:54.240 father justin talk about this with him. What I will recommend you personally is 147 00:10:54.399 --> 00:11:00.200 do do the prayers right, read scripture, do the Orthodox prayers, um, 148 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.159 and just you know, learn more about the faith every single day and 149 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:09.039 pray for you know, you to be baptized and for this to be resolved. 150 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.399 And UM, work on resolving that to the best of your capacity, 151 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:18.879 and God will help you, you know, over time. And this will 152 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.000 be I suppose an experience a test that you will go through. Right, 153 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.200 So even if you had a church near you, you know, it won't 154 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.320 be like an instance, but like oh okay, you're baptized instantly or anything, 155 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.399 even that will have like a trial period. So maybe this is your 156 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.559 trop that's the way I will kind of look at it, because this isn't 157 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.120 the first time I'm kind of hearing this question, But I think this is 158 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:43.480 kind of like and obviously get spiritual guidance from the people from priests, trustable 159 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.240 priests that can help you with your situation. Right. So as I said, 160 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:48.679 I listen to some of the people, uh in a dust where you 161 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.200 can look at living Orthodox part and behird Bylka. He also helps out with 162 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.519 this kind of stuff. So you have a couple of options. What would 163 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.440 you say, jay to someone who doesn't have an Orthodox church need. I 164 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:03.559 mean, someone was in a similar situation in Ecuador and he had to kind 165 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.799 of just search around and eventually he was put in contact with a Serbian Orthodox 166 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:13.240 priest eight hours away. So but he was still able to be baptized. 167 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:18.440 And they're still able to have church. Uh, you know in periodic increments, 168 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.879 so it's not impossible. Um, and you know you can you can 169 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:28.000 organize it eventually to where you can find somebody who will baptize you. Yeah, 170 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:33.039 definitely. So hopefully hopefully that helped you out to Paula, And yeah, 171 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.000 sorry for making you super chat twice. A guess I should have seen 172 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.759 the question it, but it didn't. It just didn't appear on stream yard. 173 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.919 That's why. Um, so we got we got a couple more super 174 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:48.879 chats. Um Alex did a ten pounds super chat asks what is your stance 175 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.159 on the Book of Enoch? Greetings from London. So this is pretty popular, 176 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.039 right, people like to talk about the Book of Phoenoch. Uh, 177 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:58.600 well, we'll just say to this Jane, because the main argument said, 178 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.639 all this part of biblical canon, it's part of eachypy can. But you 179 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:07.639 know you're not part of the sided in the Book of Jews. So I 180 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.919 don't believe in sold of scriptura. So I don't have any problem with extra 181 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.159 canonical books having valid traditions. So I think that the Book of Enoch is 182 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:24.639 a describing a valid a tradition of the angels from Genesis six. And you 183 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.320 know, if we take the Duro canon serious, there's at least three places 184 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:33.440 in the Duro canon that affirm that Genesis six is talking about actual titans or 185 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.279 giants. So, I mean, I've always had the view that Genesis six 186 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.200 is talking about angels, even though that's a minority position. I mean, 187 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.159 the first three centuries of the Church Father is the majority position believe that it's 188 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.919 angels. After Augustine, that shifts in the majority position becomes that it's just 189 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.600 kind of powerful ancient war lords and people like Nimrod or something like this. 190 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.720 So the giants, that is so, But I've always thought it was, 191 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.600 Uh, giants. I've never changed my view on that, just because of 192 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:09.120 the Book of Jude And if you're Orthodox and you have you know, the 193 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.879 full Deutero canon. Uh. There's again MacCabe is one of the Maccabee's texts 194 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:20.639 Judith Uh. And one other text maybe in I forget the other there's three 195 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:30.000 texts that that explicitly explain that Genesis six is talking about actual titans. So 196 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.200 to me, that's that's what it ought to be. But I don't like, 197 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.159 I don't I think this is a legitimate area where people could disagree theologically. 198 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:43.399 There's no you're not a heretic if you if you doubt giants, you 199 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.320 know what I mean. Yeah, And and there's there's different patrician positions on 200 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.360 the giants as as well. Yeah. One of the reasons I've noticed people 201 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.080 like the giants theeries that allows them to explain to the violence parts of the 202 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.000 Old Testament. It allows them to understand it much cleared. This is violence 203 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.519 against those giants, and so it kind of feels like, oh, okay, 204 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.559 that sheds the new lights, right, But that's what Enix said. 205 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:09.919 Yeah, m hmm. I mean that's one of the reasons for the flood. 206 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.039 Is there is that so uh and and also because it sounds really cool 207 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:22.360 and necessity. But I that's that's I see here. I mean, if 208 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:24.480 you look at the end of Judith, I'm going from memory. I haven't 209 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.039 looked at this in a long time. I think it's Judith's like sixteen. 210 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:33.240 I forget the Maccabe's text. Uh, here it is. Yeah, So 211 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:45.279 second third Maccabee's two Sorry Jay, you're muted. Uh yeah, mute yourself 212 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.159 please. Yeah, it's this has a this court has a short in it, 213 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:54.480 so if it gets touched, it automatically mutes. But second Maccabee's excuse 214 00:15:54.519 --> 00:16:02.039 me. Third Maccabee's two sites. It says that it's speaking of God, 215 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:07.480 you destroyed those who acted unjustly, amongst whom were the giants who trusted physical 216 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.320 strength and boldness, and you brought the great flood. So you might say, 217 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:17.200 well, that's just uh you know the warrior class or the you know, 218 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:18.799 the nimrods that want to be worshiped. But if you go and look 219 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.960 at what Judath says, I think the term in Judith sixteen is Judah sixteen. 220 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:26.960 By the way, I think the term is the Titans. So it's 221 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.159 actually it's even clearer in Judith. Does that make sense? Do you want 222 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.360 me to find the text? I can do that, you can take. 223 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:44.080 Yeah. So Judith sixteen says, but the Lord Almighty thwarted them his enemies 224 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.799 by the hand of a woman. For the mighty men did not fall by 225 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.720 young men, nor were the Titans and their sons struck down. Nor did 226 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:57.639 the giant the tall giants attack them. But Judith, in the beauty of 227 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:03.279 her appearance, disabled them. And there's another text Baruk three twenty four to 228 00:17:03.359 --> 00:17:12.839 twenty seven and Wisdom sixteen seven, and they discuss the least being Titans as 229 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:18.400 well. Anyway, I don't know, you can go look these texts everyone, 230 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.200 but they all they discussed the Titans basically. Yeah, and you've mentioned 231 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.400 Paruk. I kind of it kind of came to my mind. It's very 232 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.640 much off topic. But you know, when it comes to the kind of 233 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:34.599 detercanonical debates like about the dutricanonical books within Protestants and Orchdocks and Roman Catholics and 234 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:41.160 so um. And this is the point I remember you making in certain wisdom 235 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.680 texts in the dutricanonical books, where a lot of them prophesied Christ. Right. 236 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.000 Like, So when you mentioned Baruk, I think Beru thirty six to 237 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:53.279 thirty eight straight up says something like the wisdom of that God descended on earth 238 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.599 and conversed with men, right, So, like something very explicit like that, 239 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:02.640 and like there's very different from these other dutreconomical books like that as well. 240 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.799 I think it was from Yeah, it's from the Dewey Rayms edition. 241 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.079 Can see this. This is our God, and there shall no other be 242 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:12.079 accounted of him, comparison of him. He found outs all debate of knowledge 243 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.279 and gave it to Jacob, his servant, and to Israel's beloved afterwards. 244 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:19.920 He was seen upon earth and conversed with men, right. So that's yeah, 245 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.359 yeah, So I think that kind of tells you that, you know, 246 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:29.440 there's a reason why these dutroeconomical books were still considered to be important by 247 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.440 Christians historically. It's because they were prophesying Christ. Yeah, yeah, they 248 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.599 have. They have exactly prophetic texts. There are referenced many many times a 249 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.839 New Testament. I understand that. So is the book of menech but Um. 250 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.880 For example, Baruck three says, Oh, Israel, how great is 251 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.799 the house of God? How far reaching other places that he possesses? It 252 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.000 is great, It has no end. It is high and immeasurable. The 253 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:59.880 giants that were born there, those that were renowned from the beginning, became 254 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.480 very large in size, and we're very skilled in war. God did not 255 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.200 choose them, nor did he grant them the way of knowledge. Instead, 256 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:10.839 they perished because they failed to attain wisdom. They perished through their thoughtless counsel. 257 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:18.519 There's one more tax. Wisdom sixteen seven also mentions the Titans, and 258 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:21.480 again to me, these are just I forgot. There's four of them. 259 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:26.920 These are four taxs that to me suggests that if we take the Dudo canon 260 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:33.400 seriously, then it's not just talking about men, it says. Wisdom sixteen 261 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:44.039 seven says, excuse me, it's Sirac sixteen seven. There was no atonement 262 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.599 for the ancient giants who turned away from God because of their strength he did 263 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:52.039 not spare the cities in which Lots sojourned, whom he detested because of their 264 00:19:52.119 --> 00:20:03.880 arrogance. Anyway, Yeah, five pounds donation from Louis Carroll. Think you 265 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:08.599 appreciate the donation. He asks most straightforward arguments against the papacy, any easy 266 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:15.319 to understand resources responding to arguments like Jesus built church on Peter de roc for 267 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.839 low i q lay person. So every John Peter talks about the rock or 268 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.319 the cornerstone, it's not referring to him, it's referring to the person of 269 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:33.920 Christ. The ancient canons equate the jurisdiction of Rome to other jurisdictions. Every 270 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:41.119 Ecumenical council when they discuss canons relating to bishops and jurisdictions in Rome. There's 271 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:48.640 never any statement of universality in the universal in the ecumenical Canons. So nothing 272 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.119 of the Acumenical Council's dogmatic statements over the canons. And you see a consistent 273 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:59.559 pattern. You can find the thirteen fifteen page essay at my website that covers 274 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.160 all the examples from all the Ecumenical councils of the cannons that conflict with Vatican 275 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:11.799 one. Those are easy examples. I mean the fifth councils called to rebuke 276 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:18.400 the Pope Vigilius. We know that now from the Price Book, right um, 277 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.559 Honorius is you know, condemned as a heretic, not once, but 278 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.799 three times over. And it's not because he made a mistake he's or oh 279 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.359 he was all right, but you know now he actually was. It is 280 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:36.599 called a heretic three times over, so he taught theological error. How could 281 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:41.559 the Vatican one be view be correct if an ecumenical council can excommunicate and condemn 282 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:47.960 a pope. I mean that means that the papacy is not indeffectable because Honoria 283 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.359 is deffected. I mean, it's very simple. So these are straightforward arguments. 284 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:57.160 Other arguments alike in the Middle Ages, the papacy under the Gregorian reforms, 285 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.839 even admitted by the by Roman Catholics in the eleventh century. In the 286 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:07.920 Gregorian Reforms, you have a revolution in the papacy. So if you know, 287 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.079 Eve's Kongar and other people can write books admitting that the papacy underwent a 288 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:17.640 revolution, how can you accuse the Orthodox who want to believe and operate the 289 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:21.880 way things operate in the first thousand years of being the innovators, or of 290 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.400 being the schismatics is rom and innovated by their own admissions, by their own 291 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:29.759 theologians. I mean. The other great argument that David has pointed out is 292 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:36.880 that Uniate the existence of Uniates itself refutes the papacy. And guess what, 293 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:41.440 a lot of Roman Catholics are just now understanding the implications of this state. 294 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.400 It took them like three years, I think, to realize this. But 295 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.279 I'm seeing debates between Uniates and Latin right, Roman Catholics on it is acceptable 296 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.200 to venerate Saint Gregor Polmus as a Satan now right, because for years they 297 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:00.279 say, oh, Saint Gregor Polymus is a heretic, but their own church 298 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:06.640 accepted by the alternity off the Pope himself, which they cannot deny, that 299 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.359 Saint Gregor Plymus is a saint, is a holy t elusion that is completely 300 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.480 allowable to celebrate him. And it's not just Saint Gregor Palmus if you think 301 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:22.880 that's that's just it. Even Nestorious tis that the Nestorians, basically they are 302 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.839 also celebrated in the Sierra Malabar and the Kaldian liturgy, so exactly exactly. 303 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:33.119 So you've got all of these people that are heretics for centuries and now they're 304 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:37.480 quote saints that Roman callis can venerate. Yeah, and something to do with 305 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.039 truth. It's just literally whatever the papast he says at this time becomes true. 306 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:49.319 And one of the reasons why since the nineteen forties they can now revere 307 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:56.799 people who were for centuries heretics is because of famous Uniate historians and writers like 308 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.799 Francis Dvornick. He's a Uniate priest who, by the way, wrote a 309 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.000 giant book on the history of intelligence agencies. Well, he wrote this book 310 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:08.240 in nineteen forty eight called the Phocian Schism, which basically rehabilitated Photius. Oh 311 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.839 he's cool now, he's so the very guy who was like the image of 312 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:18.319 the Orthodox schismatic for a thousand years. Oh no, he's cool. He's 313 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.920 a saint now. I mean that alone ought to tell you that the Roman 314 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:26.599 Catholic system is not about theological truth that is objective, that is unchanging. 315 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:34.319 It's an evolving doctrine and theology. And a lot of them admit this, 316 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:41.599 right, they say, if it evolves, yeah, oh maybe maybe Origin 317 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.799 is a saint now, and some of them will be like yeah, yeah, 318 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.839 yeah, yeah they okay, so it doesn't matter if you teach the 319 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.079 Trinity anymore. Mh They call Origin a church foder old radio. They culter 320 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:56.359 TOOLI the church foder Old rady. So it's just one more step left in 321 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:02.920 that direction. And that's exactly where the perennialism in the natural theology Aboutican too 322 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:11.480 goes hmm exactly and what it's a lot of it. Another example I'd use 323 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:14.960 to kind of like use against papacis kind of like the four Techomenical Council, 324 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.240 where the Tone of Leo is hailed as this ex cathedral the document or Christology 325 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:25.359 is not only heavily critiqued by the very bishops that are directly under his jurisdiction, 326 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:30.799 the Illyrian bishops, it was the Council itself a skeptical on the document, 327 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.519 which is what resulted in the five day Theological Commission ran by the Patriarch 328 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:41.480 of Constants, Noble Patriarch Anatolius Cross referencing the right the Tone of Leo with 329 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.440 the writings of Saint kil of Alexandria. Right. This is an argument that 330 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.200 Ortox have been stored to use against Monophysites, but it's an argument we can 331 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.279 use against Roman Catholics to show that, well, like, just ask yourselves 332 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.480 this, Roman Catholics, can this happen today? Literally? Can a pope 333 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.160 say in a council and an ecumenical council that he didn't even call, Right, 334 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.559 Let's say there's an excomunical council. The pope didn't even call it. 335 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.279 Someone else called, and the pope goes and he writes a theological document and 336 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:10.880 he says, this is ex cathedral. You're going to accept this, And 337 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.279 then his own bishops say, actually, this is heretical. I'm not going 338 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.960 to accept this. You better fix this or I have questions about this document. 339 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.680 And then the other bishops say, oh, okay, let's let's cross 340 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.279 reference this with the writings of saints and see whether it makes sense. Imagic, 341 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.279 Can this happen today in the Roman Catholic Church? Absolutely not. It 342 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.599 cannot happen in a Roman because this is not the ecclesiology of the Roman Catholic 343 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:38.319 Church, right, and people don't really yet this And the doctrinal development point 344 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.680 so this needs to be made clear, is that the Roman Catholic understanding of 345 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:49.119 doctrinal development is the idea that that doctrine that is originally EVI, David, 346 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.160 you want to take this question. I gotta use the bathroom. I gotta 347 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.960 whiz. Yeah, yeah, I'll take the question. Yeah. Sure. 348 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.759 The basic premise of doctoral development that use this for icon veneration too, right, 349 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:06.960 The basic premise is that the doctrine that developed in the in the Vay, 350 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.799 that it developed originally was not Apostolic. So let me talk about icon 351 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:18.359 veneration. For example, Roman Catholics will literally say, like in Dave admitted 352 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.839 this, right transhorned, They've already admitted this. They will say icon veneration 353 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.200 is not Apostolic. They will say it's not apostolic, it was not supposed 354 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:30.799 to be part of but it developed logically too icon veneration and it's legitimate because 355 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.359 it makes sense. Right, that's the main argument that they use. It 356 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.799 just makes sense. Now, it's the same thing with the papacy, right, 357 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.319 the papacy did not really exist in the in the Vatican one form. 358 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.720 It just developed into the Vatican one form. So this is the basic argument 359 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:52.039 of Numanism. So we as Orthodox, we don't believe in Numan's idea of 360 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.240 doctrine development. When we speak about doctrinal developments, we say this doctrine was 361 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.559 always apostolic. It is routed or under standing of this doctrine. While this 362 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.559 doctrine remains static the same as it was established from the from the get go, 363 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:10.759 this doctrine is just developed in this sense or understanding or concepts of theological 364 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:15.079 ideas are become better over time. This sense of development is not heretical, 365 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:21.039 but the sense of Roman Catholic development, where the doctrine itself changes, that 366 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:26.240 is heretical. That is unacceptable. And this is something that again Ybara himself 367 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:32.880 admits, and I think his debate against Father Patrick. I'm not too sure, 368 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.160 but I think he admits this in his debate against Father Patrick. So 369 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:41.480 he admits that the papacy is doctrine developed. So it's that that just ends 370 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.839 the debate because it just means that it's not apostolic if it is. If 371 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.519 it is not an apostolic, then it's not a true doctrine. There's a 372 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:53.599 double mind the thing going on here, which is difficult because on the one 373 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.759 hand, you have you know, Newman and people arguing for development of doctrine. 374 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:02.680 And then around the same time you have Pious the Tenth, the pope 375 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.640 writing Pacinity Dominici, where he says that the notion of the evolution of dogma 376 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.559 is a Modernist heresy. So that's the most famous and cyclical condemning the modernists, 377 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:17.559 and he basically says that modernism is the conglomeration of all heresies, and 378 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.200 it's any it's all the heresies into one. And one of those key elements 379 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.200 is that everything is in the process of evolving and moving. You could have 380 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:30.799 never had this without the papacy first innovating and being an evolving institution. Back 381 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:36.480 in the Gregorian reforms. This is even argued by Roman cathoe theologians now like 382 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:40.640 the Eaves Kongar in his I think it's his nine hundred years together or something 383 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:47.279 like that, so admitting that, yeah, we underwent evolution, underwent massive 384 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.559 renovation and change in the church, by which they say this is a good 385 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:53.720 thing. But then by the time of Pious the Tenth, when this is 386 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.680 being used in quote liberal ways, he says, no, no, we 387 00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:02.759 got to get rid of this idea the evolution of dogma. And they'll try 388 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:07.599 to come out with a million different Scholastic evolution is not development to those are 389 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.680 different things. Let me give you a new made up scholastic different. Now 390 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:15.119 it doesn't work. It's the same principle because either the dogmas stay the same 391 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:22.200 or they don't. Yep, and let's go to the next question. Heard 392 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.839 and five dollars, super Chat asked, is Eastern Orthodox closed to rejoining it? 393 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.480 Orientals or Roman couple are splitting in two? I won't say there's any 394 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.279 chance of being they're being splitting in two, but I think it's referring to 395 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:40.839 Moscow's schism. My take is that it's rather the Orientals and Roman Catholics that 396 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:45.319 are supposed to be rejoining the Orthodox Church. We're not the ones. We're 397 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.119 not the ones that change, We're not the ones that became a different church. 398 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.880 It's rough out of the other ones. And I don't think there's going 399 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:57.519 to be an institution institutionalized union between the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics, like 400 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:03.319 on a real scale. What is really going to happen is that Roman Catholics 401 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.000 Orientals are going to come back to the true Church. Though there's also twenty 402 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:14.920 twenty five nice stuff which which by the bay as someone who has been there. 403 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.400 It's a very small city. I don't I don't think it's going to 404 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.480 house that a lot of people. It does happen, but if it does 405 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:25.319 happen, but yeah, I don't think it's It's just what's coming in twenty 406 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:30.039 twenty five is a repeat of this, a new false Florentine union. And 407 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.880 David cover this video several years ago. I mean, it's going to cover 408 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.000 this book several years ago. I recommend this book because you'll notice the parallels 409 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:44.119 between the geopolitical pressures at that time to have this false union and the exact 410 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.160 mirror geopolitical pressures in our day to have this false union. So that's what's 411 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:53.039 going to happen in twenty twenty five, unless it's just totally unpopular, right, 412 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.079 I mean, if they keep pushing for this kind of thing and nobody 413 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.359 buys it, they'll just wait and you postpone it to try to have this 414 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:12.359 false union. And yeah, Rigovic sends five pounds, appreciate it, U 415 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.279 five pounds, supertract Rich dream Jay, any chance we can do half the 416 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.519 tour in Italy? So is that is that an option that can be used, 417 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.720 like having half of the tour for people who just wants to do that, 418 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.759 you can just message a father Vladimir. I don't know, so he's 419 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.839 the organizer, I don't. I mean, I'm you're a free human. 420 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.319 I mean, I'm sure you could do whatever you want. So you know, 421 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.440 you can come and go and show up. I guess you want to. 422 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:40.400 But in terms of like staying at the places that he's organizing, hotel 423 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.319 wise or whatever, you'd have to ask him. I don't know. Yeah, 424 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:46.880 yeah, I'm just attending. I don't. I don't have anything to 425 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:51.559 do with organizing. But you can just ask him. Yeah, Max the 426 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.759 Confessor attend dollars, supertracts think you. Max Lofton is strange. He treats 427 00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:00.680 Orthodox, it's a couple of discord servers, some archbishops and think to none 428 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:01.759 of it has to do with parish life, and he treats us like we 429 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:07.920 have RC. Ecclesiatra. I definitely agree what he It's the typical case of 430 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:13.319 trying to frame your opponent by taking the worst case examples of that view while 431 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:19.039 completely ignoring the actual essential aspects of that view, by forming a completely different 432 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.279 opponent and just battling that he's not really attacking ortodox because he's not interested in 433 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:28.799 covering Orthodox. He's really just interested in growing his own image, trying to 434 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.720 make himself look good, trying to become this channel, and just trying to 435 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:38.079 use these indecent tactics to draw low quality people, because it's only low quality 436 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.680 people or people who have no clue, like generally have no clue that's going 437 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.119 to be attracted to this kind of low quality appologies. But the thing about 438 00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:50.359 the Internet is that it just takes a couple of clicks to know what the 439 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.880 truth actually is. Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I 440 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:58.319 mean, you know, he's been at this for so long, relying on 441 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:02.240 drama because he knows that he'll get you know, he'll get more. He'll 442 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.079 get three times more views covering us from a drama perspective than he does when 443 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:12.119 he tries to do his own boring, unwatchable theology talks, which again get 444 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.719 like eight hundred views. So he'll get like seven thousand views if he does 445 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.719 something based on drama. But the problem is that that he hasn't still figured 446 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:24.519 out that drama streams aren't gonna get you a like David said, consistent intelligent 447 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.519 watcher base that's gonna get you a low tier drama basse. And when you 448 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:35.480 try to base streams around drama. I saw this when you know, there 449 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.039 was blood sports period when Andy was was basing his channel around blood sports. 450 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.559 You can get a quiet you can get a growth spurt from that, But 451 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:52.079 that audience is not there for serious theological you know, historical documentation, transformation 452 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:53.920 of their life. They're there for the drama, and then once the drama 453 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.840 is not cool, they move on. So it's a it's a it's a 454 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.199 come and go audience. And uh, you know, the majority of his 455 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:10.719 rambling and oft repeated replies are simply that orthodox. He's got problems too. 456 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.360 You got problems too, Yo, Look, they got problems. I mean 457 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:22.400 if our argument was we didn't have problems and you've got problems. Hut. 458 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:28.880 Yeah. If our argument was that we have problems, he has problems and 459 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:34.079 we don't, that might be a sufficient response. But the argument has never 460 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.360 been that. It's always been the nature of the problems. For example, 461 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.360 if your system is built on the papacy, and the papacy is an institution 462 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.400 that is defected and taught heresy, then that problem is a unique problem which 463 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:52.840 destroys and cancels out that whole system. Right, That's different than saying there's 464 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.519 a bunch of corrupt and skittles priests in Rome, and there's less skittles priests 465 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.599 in Orthodoxy, Therefore Orthodoxy is true. But like you said, the majority 466 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.280 of his stuff is just straw man like knocking down positions that we don't hold 467 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.280 or that we don't adhere to. He finds like one random Orthodox person saying 468 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.440 something and it's like, look at this Orthodox du Look I knocked it down. 469 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:20.679 Bro ha ha, Look all right, that's like it's that low tier. 470 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:30.280 So um, let's see. I mean what you remember his defensive pache 471 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.880 Mama. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember even 472 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.400 responding to that. His his his argument was literally, no, Pope Francis 473 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:43.719 believed it was the Virgin Mary, and that's what it should be considered to 474 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.039 be. And if you believe that it is the paka Mama demon, then 475 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:52.440 you're committing grievous mortal sin. First of all, who are you to designate 476 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.440 who is committing what kind of a mortal sin? Whatnot? You're just a 477 00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.639 fat idiot. Secondly, is that this completely goes against psychnographic theology, because 478 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:07.039 the whole idea of the likeness between an image and what it is depicting is 479 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.199 that it depicts the thing that it is supposed to be depicting. So if 480 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.559 you have a water I use this exactly example, if you have a water 481 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.519 bottle and you say this water bottle is actually an image of this pencil, 482 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.639 then you're an idiot because they have nothing. They don't have anything in common, 483 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.199 and in that, in that they're both objects. So yeah, I 484 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:32.239 mean, yeah, I mean this looks to me Mama is a woman marries 485 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:37.760 a woman. Therefore the same, Yeah, it has nothing to do. 486 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.000 They basically have nothing to do and for most part between each other. It's 487 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.719 the same thing that the Paca Mama and the Virgin Mary paka Mama is a 488 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.239 demon conjured up by the imagination of a bunch of you know people in in 489 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.639 America. The Virgin Mary is an actual, historical a woman who gave birth 490 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.719 to God. That's a huge difference, and they look very different, They're 491 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:00.599 depicted in very different ways, they have different characteristics. And again it's what 492 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.760 Saint Theodore the Student says, as you pointed out, what is the you 493 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.400 know, the the image depicts the person, right, and so it has 494 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.440 to have personal likeness. The pacamama has no personal likeness with the Virgin Mary. 495 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.599 They're completely his whole unlated word concept fallacy over imagery. There is the 496 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.840 whole basis of Roman Catholic syncretism. Yeah, and they they you know, 497 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.480 they defend in culteration, which is just an idiotic practice for what they called 498 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.559 the basis. Exactly, they make images of idols and they say it's Christ. 499 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.280 That's that's like saying that's like making an image of Zeus and saying it's 500 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:39.599 it's it's the Father, which ironically there's actually in the semi Techomendical council Um, 501 00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:45.960 there was an instance that they cited a life of a saint where in 502 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.960 that instance someone was making an image of Christ, but it was like the 503 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.000 image of Zeus, and the icon writer his hand basically stopped. He couldn't 504 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.320 write it properly because it was and I it was it was an image of 505 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:00.920 Zeus. It wasn't an image of Christ, right, and so he had 506 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:02.599 to edit the image. And I talk about this in my video and icon 507 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.880 Innovation. I mean, this is right. The natural theology premise is premised 508 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:15.320 on the idea of the theistic fallacy that because there's commonalities, the reference is 509 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.079 the same. But you just show how absurd that is. Like the fact 510 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.599 that Pacha Mama is female and the fact that Mary is female. It does 511 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.440 not equate to the same reference because they share characteristics. This is just so 512 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:32.760 stupid. Oh, pokemona pregnant. So yeah, that it's just all of 513 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.800 these like like similarities. I just I mean, just think about natural theology, 514 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.280 right, there's a common monotheism because they all believe in one God. 515 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.280 Okay, so if I believe that the one God is satan Am I part 516 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:50.519 of the monotheistic tradition, why not exactly? Well, no, you see, 517 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.920 there's got to be these other Okay, but see now it because it 518 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.880 gets to be arbitrary as to what it has to have these specific properties, 519 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.880 these essential properties, but not these But well, if you're a Christian, 520 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.800 one of the essential aspects of God is that he's a trinity. So and 521 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:10.119 that that already kind of does not work with the so called monetistic system. 522 00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.599 But you know, at the end of the day, you know, let 523 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.559 Roman Catholics say that we worship the same God at Muslims too. I guess 524 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.440 that's because now they're defending that. I mean, it's quite right, because 525 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.800 the Vatican, that's no stra autata is Vatican to theology. Because when I've 526 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.559 like when I looked into like religious discourse for the first time and I had 527 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:32.119 a traditionalist disposition all this this kind of stuff. I looked into this kind 528 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.679 of stuff and I looked at Roman Catholics and they will talk about, you 529 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:37.400 know, if you don't believe the Roman Catholic dogma, you're not part of 530 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.440 true faith. And it sounds really you know, it appealed to me a 531 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.159 lot, like I really started respect Roman Cavolson because of this attitude. And 532 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.639 then I will just see stuff like oh, by the way, we worship 533 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.400 the same God as Muslims, by the way, and if you don't believe 534 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.400 that, you're heretics, like what that that doesn't make it. That's that 535 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.119 doesn't make any sense. And any argument they make they use, it's just 536 00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.039 kind of like these flimsy arguments like oh, well, Paul talks about the 537 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:04.960 un known God and that means the Pagans worship actually worship the Father, so 538 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.599 you which is like says you don't know him, that's why it's called the 539 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:13.920 unknown God. If he was teaching natural theology, he would say the known 540 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:20.639 God, yeah, exactly, and these it They just use these flimsy arguments. 541 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.760 That doesn't really well. I'll think about once again, how many people 542 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.880 get tripped up on the word concept fallacy. This is just a version of 543 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:35.840 word concept fallacy as applied to iconography and imagery. I mean icons imagery. 544 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:40.159 All of this reality for us is iconographic, right, Everything is iconographic for 545 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:49.119 us, the whole world. And that's why making the mistake in theology theological 546 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:53.119 discourse from words and sentences of word concept fallacy is the exact same mistake that 547 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:58.880 the Roman Catholic is making with religious imagery in a word concept fallacy, same 548 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:05.840 move, same mistake by confusing commonalities with identical reference, the fact that those 549 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.800 commonalities does not mean that the reference are the same. Let me give you 550 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.079 another example. If I say, this is the example I use, I 551 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.840 think in I can't remember it was one of the livestream anyway, But I 552 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:23.480 say, I'm going I have treasure buried at the Promised Land in the underground 553 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:28.199 of the Promised Land, and you fly over to the Holy Land, and 554 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.800 you find where you think I'm talking about, and you dig up and you 555 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:37.519 find out, oh, there's nothing there. Now, I gave you a 556 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.519 place. I gave you a location, a precise name. I gave you 557 00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.519 treasure, you know, a specific reference, all of this, and you 558 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.039 find out, oh, no, I wasn't talking about the Holy Land. 559 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.079 I'm talking about the evangelical bookstore down the road for me that's called Promised Land. 560 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:59.320 And I buried twenty four gold bars in the basement there. So think 561 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.159 about all the cominaloities that were there, right, the name, the reference, 562 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.280 the gold is there. I mean, you had all these specifics right 563 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.920 that you thought was a place, and it was a totally different place. 564 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:19.559 So does that not illustrate the fact that just because there's common properties doesn't mean 565 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.000 the reference is the same. It's just like so obvious. I can't believe 566 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:27.280 anybody would think that. And it's a baden switch, right. It's like, 567 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.760 oh, Muslim, you and I we worship the same god because we 568 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:32.760 both call upon one God. And then all I do is I say, 569 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:39.679 well, what about a theistic Satanist who calls upon Satan as the one God? 570 00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:49.480 So clearly one God doesn't refer to the same God just because it's quote 571 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:53.519 one God. This is really simple. Yeah, And even as you said, 572 00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.559 even the common properties like oh, omnipotent, omniscients, et cetera, 573 00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.719 et cetera, they don't do it. Yea, you have at the same 574 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.519 idea. That's because in our theology you can't have you can't scale down the 575 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:14.440 divine attributes and have the same reference. For example, when Basil's arguing with 576 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.239 Eunomius, and Eunomias says, I believe in Father's Son and Holy Spirit. 577 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.679 You believe in Father Son and Holy Spirit. Does debate if we just took 578 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:27.760 that phrase, would that mean that Basil and Unomius have the same God. 579 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.000 Of course not, because what Unomius means by father son is Spirit is totally 580 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.119 different from what Basil's saying. So the fact that it's the same words, 581 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.239 and even though there's some overlap, Unomius could say I believe in the three 582 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:45.039 omnis. Did Basil believe in the Unitarian concept that Eunomius has. Of course 583 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.599 not, And everybody can recognize this, Okay, Well, then the same 584 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:54.440 applies to Mauslims and Jews when they have a Unomian concept of the one God. 585 00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:00.280 And that we don't have that deity. And I think, especially at 586 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.760 the point about same Basis against Unomus, one of the things he argues is 587 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.079 that, well, we have knowledge of God because of the things that come 588 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.920 down to us, and that allows us to have direct knowledge and perception in 589 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:17.480 some senses of God, whereas you have this understanding both in Unomus's view and 590 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:22.599 the other unitary views, where like it's like it's just this merely conceptual idea, 591 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:27.960 just something you conjure into your mind, and you just have some similarities 592 00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.119 between these conceptual ideas that you have in other people, and you say, 593 00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:36.719 well, we actually thinking the same exactly because it has some attributes are in 594 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.679 common between these conceptual ideas, where the same basiness thing, No, we 595 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:45.079 have experience with God as Orthodox Christians as well. There's also that caveat of 596 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.719 this kind of practical aspect of same basis theology as well. It doesn't really 597 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:55.679 exist in these other religions either. Next question, right, I mean there's 598 00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:01.599 a fine line between saying, yeah, if you look at pagan religions, 599 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:09.119 there are commonalities with ideas in you know, Christianity, but that doesn't equate. 600 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:13.679 I mean, this is the same argument that like perennialists make or that 601 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.440 freemasons make that, oh, well there's commonality, so it's all the same 602 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:24.679 religion. It's it's it sounds really strange to me that like people people defend 603 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:30.559 this. But anyways, next question is love and NBA ten ten euros super 604 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.880 chat. Appreciate it. Thanks for the great work you do. I know 605 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.800 that it is not part of your typical repertoire, but think about doing a 606 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:39.840 stream on the importance of reading the lives of saints. They are not emphasized 607 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.800 enough. Well, from my perspective, will basically answer the reason why it's 608 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:45.920 not emphasized enough here is because well, first of all, there are other 609 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:51.719 channels to emphasize it much better base and these are people that have alternity, 610 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.280 like priests, monks, clergy, they are good at that. There's also 611 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.000 channels, like there's different channels that talk about lives of saints. I'm not 612 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:06.159 opposed to reading or talking about them, it's just that it's something that I 613 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:12.119 myself, I considered myself as student in that and I unless it is for 614 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.559 my own personal benefit, like just like reading it and then teaching it just 615 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.920 to like understand it. Better. I don't really plan on talking and it's 616 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.320 it's it's again, it's something that I just think it will be strange for 617 00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:29.280 me to kind of do videos about that content the same view, because I've 618 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:35.280 always noted and explained my limitations and the sphere of what I cover, And 619 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.599 like David said, you know, the whole point of this is not for 620 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.679 you to intellectually sit around and think about these things, but going into the 621 00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:46.679 church. And when you go into the church, you will have ample opportunity 622 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:52.000 to invest your time and your efforts and your attention into those things because your 623 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.960 priests and your spiritual father will be guiding you in those things. So my 624 00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.880 channel is never going to be a a guru spiritual guide channel because that's not 625 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:06.000 what I do. And everybody knows I've always said that I don't do that, 626 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.880 and so I stick to the lanes in which I can speak to you 627 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:15.760 know, ideas with proficiency, and it's not my job to be your moral 628 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:22.960 guide or your guru or and it just to me. It really there's a 629 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.199 fine line there. I don't know how exactly to balance this, but over 630 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.679 the last several years, I've seen a lot of people who you know, 631 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:36.119 maybe they're good intentions, but they turned their channel or their Twitter or their 632 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:40.280 outlet into this manifestation of how much they pray and pray with me and look 633 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:44.840 at all this piety and look at all and these people. I mean I'm 634 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:50.559 not saying everybody, but sometimes people go nuts and it just irks me. 635 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:54.800 Like even when people do live streams and they're like really preachy, that's not 636 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.320 me. So you know, you will get enough of that when you come 637 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.159 into the church and when you have a spiritual father who will be dealing with 638 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:07.199 you on a weekly basis as you go to communion and as you confess your 639 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.079 sins, and he's going to tell you what saints to read that are appropriate 640 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.880 to you. So you need to be looking for these types of things from 641 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:20.599 your spiritual father, not from internet people. Yeah. I mean, if 642 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.880 anything, I think it will be suspicious if you talked about spiritual issues all 643 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.639 the time. I think that will be genuinely suspicious in some sense because it's 644 00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.320 not it's not a it will be like it will be like a YouTube person 645 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.599 talking about giving financial advice. I mean, it's just not there. It's 646 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.280 just not their lance. So if I'm going to say something like spiritual it's 647 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.639 always going to be perfect, but I say it or not. But not 648 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.199 spiritual advice, because there's someone that has that authority that can do. All 649 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.119 I can do is point you to direction and the lives of saints. What's 650 00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.239 important is that you know, if we do live in a time where there's 651 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.320 a lot there's not a lot of people who can give spiritual guidance. It's 652 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:57.320 built still people that you know, spiritual fathers and stuff. There's still priests 653 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.800 and all of that. But the lives of are the saint help us direct 654 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:06.760 us to the royal path in that sense if we're missing that. But as 655 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:07.599 I said, it's like what am I gonna do? Am I going to 656 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.719 give an analysis of the life of Saint Anthony? I mean I can't really, 657 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.239 like I will be uncomfortable doing that. Whereas but dogmatic stuff, that 658 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:20.920 stuff interests me. I think I have the mind to comprehend it and tell 659 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.599 it to people and to kind of convince them using it. And that's kind 660 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:28.159 of like how I use what I am decent that I think it's just also 661 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:32.239 an optimization thing. And unlike other people, because some people they like, 662 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.360 you know, the spiritual mystical aspect of Orthodoxy, and so because they like 663 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.519 it, they have to be in opposition to the dogmatic aspect to it, 664 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.599 which and they say, oh, you know, that doesn't matter, which 665 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.480 actually doesn't matter. You kind of have to know a little bit about it. 666 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.440 At the very least, you don't have to, you know, hate 667 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.280 what I or Jay do or other people do. You can just say that's 668 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:58.440 not my thing. My thing is this. I respect that. Likewise, 669 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.679 it's kind of like some people are in tune with the dogmatic stuff and they 670 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:06.559 still have to do look into this mystical stuff. I think we both have 671 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.800 to deportos into the both aspects, right, the mystical and the scholastic aspect 672 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.800 of the Orthodox fate. But some of us can have preference in an affinity 673 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.559 towards one aspect of it more than the other. That's not bad. That's 674 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.559 just you know, personality, right, It's a personality thing. That's how 675 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.440 I see it. So I think some people take it too far and try 676 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.239 to denigrate the other time. Most of the time I see people denigrating those 677 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:34.960 who focus on the dogmatic aspect of the more than the other one, because 678 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.559 that seems to be more acceptable to do nowadays. So I think that's completely 679 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.159 wrong and I will recommend people not to have that kind of an approach. 680 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:51.800 Next super Chat, William Kane asks do you believe there are neutral spirit beings 681 00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:58.039 like faithful gnomes, trolls, goblins or the old demonic beings. I don't. 682 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.480 I can't answer this question. I can't ask I don't. I mean, 683 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:06.199 all those things sound pretty demonic to me, so yeah, but just 684 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:12.159 kind of like like neutral spiritual beings to me. It's uh. Most I 685 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:17.840 know is Saint John Damascus talks about ghosts, but he says ghosts aren't real. 686 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.880 So he says ghosts aren't made up. But then in the same work 687 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:29.920 he says dragons are real by the way, which is um, there's there's 688 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:31.639 that's like a short PDF of it going around. Other than that, I 689 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:37.960 don't really, I don't think I can really answer that question, William. 690 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:39.639 Um. I mean I would say the tendency of you know, when you 691 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:45.039 read people who talk about these kinds like people who take d MT trips or 692 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.400 you know, people who do LSD and they encounter these kinds of entities that 693 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:53.400 are elves or whatever. I mean, they typically are saying pretty demonic stuff. 694 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:59.119 So that's a pretty good sign. M Yeah, I noticed that too. 695 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.920 Oh you're gonna you're gonna like this one. Jay, this is a 696 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:08.119 really a person who is very mentally healthy and someone who can totally be very 697 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:15.840 respected. Gave us a super chat. I can't believe I'm sending money to 698 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:21.239 heretics, no refunds. But how can I debate you Nestorian heretics. I'm 699 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.559 Coptic and want you to join. Well, we're already in the Orthodox Church. 700 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:28.400 We will want you to join the Orthodox Church. But I think I 701 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.239 have a couple of tips. First of all, three, people with respect, 702 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:36.360 especially people you don't know, because if you just go guns blazing, 703 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:38.599 we're not going to really tell you seriously. As I said, take you 704 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:44.719 for the money, no refunds. Number three, we do have free time 705 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:49.000 on discord sometimes where we have open Q and A and we talk with people. 706 00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.480 And if you want to debate at that moment you want to find that 707 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:55.159 opportunity, you can use that opportunity. But you're not I seek after a 708 00:53:55.159 --> 00:54:00.079 debate. Two times I've regretted the one time that I did it and I 709 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:05.880 realized that it's not I shouldn't be seeking to debate some random person because it's 710 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.719 not just not going to work out. I have obligations, responsibilities in my 711 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.880 life. I don't have complete free time where I can debate just people who 712 00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:15.880 ask me to do. You know, and the fact is you're just some 713 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:22.719 unknown dude who speaks in a very mentally unhealthy manner. Bib will we take 714 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.679 this seriously? But I really, I really do appreciate the money that you 715 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.039 that you're sent that that definitely really really you know, I'm going to enjoy 716 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:36.280 spending that for sure. You have anything to say, I think over the 717 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.800 last four or five years, we've given ample opportunity with hundreds of hours of 718 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.199 people to come to freely challenge and debate. We've done this in discord, 719 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.000 We've done it on Twitter, I've done it on live streams. So the 720 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.400 idea that you know, you're you haven't the people haven't had the opportunity to 721 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.719 do this is just simply not true. Maybe you're new to what we talk 722 00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.199 about, and if that's the case, I mean you can request us to 723 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.599 come in the discord or to set up a discussion with me or David and 724 00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.000 maybe down the road we can do that. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, 725 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:12.480 we have discord sessions where we talk with people and answer their questions or 726 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.239 debate if anyone shows up, and if they don't show up, that's their 727 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.119 loss. I mean, as I said, we both are busy people who 728 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.519 don't have infinite free time. So but it seems like you do have a 729 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.119 lot of free time. But I mean, hopefully you find something to maybe 730 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:29.320 you can use that free time to listen to my playlist and actually learn about 731 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.760 or time. I mean, David, you've done two or three in the 732 00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.840 past debates with you know, people of that persuasion. Yeah, and and 733 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:42.800 those debates for I didn't have to do those debates. I seek those debates 734 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.800 knowing that it didn't profit me, and I went through those because it was 735 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:51.280 risky or et cetera, et cetera, whereas these are unknown people. And 736 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:53.360 at the end of the day, it worked. But it's like, especially 737 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.159 the second debate was just not even a proper debate. It was disrespectful to 738 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:02.519 the whole idea of a debate. So I just learned my lesson that I 739 00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:07.199 had to be more, I had to have higher standards or otherwise it's just 740 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.800 going to be just low bi Q snooze fists. But that debate worked at 741 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:15.719 the end of the debate as well. So next question is Max of wait 742 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.920 he already have you already looked at this? Have you heard of this? 743 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.880 Like appen of Jesus, argued quetzal Quatl was St. Thomas the Apostle, 744 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:28.760 I've ever heard of this before? Or I mean, I don't know about 745 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:35.480 that specific example, but I mean I was looking into jesuit um the culturation 746 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:39.920 when we did the Apocalypto stream because in the movie Apocalypto, Uh, they 747 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:49.360 make reference to various Mayan in in you know, Mexican deities that our goddesses, 748 00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:57.480 and they built the Chapel to the Virgin where Juan Diego, you know, 749 00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:04.960 supposedly had the miraculous Mary apparition or whatever our lady Guadalupez. What I'm 750 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.639 trying to think of, um and uh, you know, the irony, 751 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.480 of course is that it's really just an appropriation of the goddess worship that's referenced 752 00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.199 in the movie Apocalypto at that site. And when you listen to what the 753 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:22.320 goddess called for, the irony is that she's obviously demonic, right, this 754 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:29.760 entity is demonic because of the she got mad supposedly when they tore down her 755 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:31.800 goddess temple and they were going to build a church. Well, now, 756 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.239 wait a minute. If she gets mad that the church is being built to 757 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:40.800 the Virgin, then you can't say that the goddess indigenous goddess worship was preparing 758 00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:46.039 for the Virgin like they they're two different things. So um, I'm not 759 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:51.079 surprised that Jesuits to do that, because the whole idea again of inculturation is 760 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.840 to play a kind of abate and switch, right. I mean, I 761 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:59.440 think there is a valid Orthodox approach to inculturation, which Innocent of Alaska did 762 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:06.639 with the but it doesn't trade on these bait and switch ideas that Pacha Mama 763 00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:14.840 is marry the other a super chat. I think you couldn't like this one, 764 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:16.840 Frankie D five dollars super chat. J. Do you ever do Christopher 765 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:22.119 Vulcan impressions? Yeah, but it's not very good. He's for some reason, 766 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:23.119 he's really hard for me to do. But if you go and watch 767 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:28.000 the video that I did maybe five years ago, I have celebrity impressions, 768 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.119 and I think there's two of them, and Christopher Walking is in both of 769 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.920 those. I'll spare you right now because I haven't worked on it in a 770 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.280 while. I mean, come on, man, he you know he made 771 00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:39.960 a super chat. You gotta try, right, you gotta try it a 772 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:45.679 little bit at least. I don't know Christopher Vulcan, but i'd like your 773 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:51.000 impressions. So just to go watch the video because it's better in the video 774 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.239 than I would be able to do it right now? All right, all 775 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:59.000 right, well that's what what video we're talking about again. I can maybe 776 00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:05.400 link that and him Jay Dyer Celebrity Impressions, It'll come up. And I 777 00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:10.000 think I'm pretty sure if Walking is in there, Um, is it the 778 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:15.320 fifteen vacky celebrity impersonations in nine minutes one? Or is it the best? 779 00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:20.480 It's the one that has nine nine thousand views from three years ago? All 780 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.440 right? Yeah, yeah that one right, I'll I'll post it at light 781 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.079 Chat. So yeah, I think Chris walkins in there, Frank, you 782 00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.119 can see it. And I think a lot of my impressions are better than 783 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.480 they were back then, Like I've a lot of these people. I've gotten 784 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:37.719 better since then. Yeah, Chrisia Walking is in there. M all right? 785 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.039 All right? Cool by the way, we have a live event. 786 00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:45.440 I'll be doing impressions this weekend at a big event in Nashville. So if 787 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.559 you're in the Tennessee area or the surrounding states and you want to come to 788 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.480 uh this weekend, it's a two day event. Chase Haggard will be there 789 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:58.400 playing music. His Gyp Gypsy Jazz duo will be there. I'll be there. 790 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.639 That big pop star dude, Jim Levy will be performing. He's had 791 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:07.280 a munch of number one hits on pop radio. Uh, there's a whole 792 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:13.800 bunch of people. Um Harrison Smith owen. Um, I think Rachel is 793 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.400 coming down there. I don't. I don't think Rachel's speaking. But ah, 794 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.119 so if you're in, if you want to come to this Rebels for 795 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.679 Cause, come down and see that this this weekend Rebels for Cause dot com, 796 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.119 get your tickets there. I think she's discounting some of the tickets now 797 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:35.280 too. So since we're getting close to the end, all right, all 798 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.960 right, sounds sounds good. Um. Other than that, it seems like, 799 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:44.199 all right, well, Matt, I this this stream ended up just 800 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.519 being like a massive orthodox CQ and a stream. But that's that's fine. 801 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:52.400 I mean that's always that's always cool. Um. I think it's definitely beneficial 802 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.199 for a lot of the people as well. UM, definitely appreciate the support. 803 01:00:55.239 --> 01:01:00.440 I mean massive amount of use obviously because of this guy right here. 804 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:07.519 But UM, really appreciate you coming here, mister J. I gotta get 805 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:12.400 something, mister j J. Soy Dyer. Um, so if you if 806 01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.639 you come to our live event in California, you'll see this guy up here. 807 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:23.239 So uh, oh my gosh, I need to spend money on consumer 808 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:28.760 goods please, I need to spend money. Oh yeah, you know what 809 01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:32.199 I'm gonna use that. I'm gonna use Adams money to buy funk pops. 810 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:44.079 There you go your fun No exactly, yeah, um uncle cop func gonna 811 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:52.079 be pretty difficult because I don't think Funco cops com Funco cops. All Right, 812 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:57.039 I realized just now, funk you got? You got Funco cop Bro, 813 01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:02.119 You're you're a ne story. How can I funk funko Storian? You're 814 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:07.280 a funk Storian piece of crap? You got Funco copped? Anyways, I 815 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.599 don't think you have Funko pops here in Turke I've never seen one. But 816 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:15.840 um, I remember that you're consider yourself lucky that that contagion doesn't spread. 817 01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:22.519 I remember going to um, like a like a nerds store, I like 818 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.000 not even gonna call it like a comic store, Like it's a Nerds store 819 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:30.760 in England, and um, they were like massive shells, like complete like 820 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:32.880 massive shells dedicated to Funko pops. And it's like to me, it's like 821 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:38.360 insane, Like I mean, it's like just I don't know why people like 822 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.719 it. It's I don't I'm not gonna be that's sad. I mean it's 823 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.559 just I don't know, you know, man in the in this country or 824 01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.920 you know, we were gonna talk about men's stuff, but we ended up 825 01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.119 in theology. That's fine with me. But um, yeah, I mean 826 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.000 that's just a different time. It's just a yeah, a sign of the 827 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:58.880 decay and the cancer of you know, the West, that it's turning into 828 01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:04.800 this ridiculous thing. Yeah. I mean back then, there used to be 829 01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.360 collector items, like people will collect specific things and that was kind of like 830 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:13.440 a cool hobby. But now it's just like buying something from their like about 831 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:17.599 their favorite superheroes, the Cape shit nonsense, which they're like producing a lot 832 01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.800 of that stuff. And and have you noticed like there's a lot of movies 833 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.360 coming out and games coming out that's just the repeat of the previous popular ones, 834 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:30.320 like yeah they're supermakes now, yeah it's weird. Yeah. I think 835 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:34.599 the thing with Funco Pops is the thing that really makes me mad is that, 836 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.639 you know, we used to have a lot of bookstores in cities that 837 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.360 you muted jusif accidentally every time I would go to a new city. Uh, 838 01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:49.880 you know, I like to go to bookstores, and and nowadays bookstores 839 01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.800 are basically just like Funco pops and toys and knick knacks and trinkets. And 840 01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:59.679 I mean, to me, it's just like a sign of I don't know, 841 01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:02.639 some sort of weird apocalypse or something. I'm not literally saying it's into 842 01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:06.239 the world, but I mean it's just sad that we can't have, you 843 01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:11.400 know, bookstores and people interested in you know, education, real information. 844 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:15.519 Everything's replaced with just just relate. By the way, the reason that I 845 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:17.800 have some people are wondering is that in the live events that we do, 846 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:24.519 I actually have a debate with the funk a Pop. So the Funko Pop 847 01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:28.920 and I have a debate and then um, basically, the funk O pop 848 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:32.639 gets destroyed. So put it that way. Yeah, yeah, I mean 849 01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:38.440 it's crushed, is what I'm saying. All right, well we got it. 850 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:43.079 We got a super shock while we were talking about the Funco Cops bunch 851 01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:45.559 of I spend five dollars. How do you defeat the argument that, since 852 01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.000 the Bible is written by man, any interpretation of it is all just a 853 01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:56.480 matter of opinion, Well, just because something. And first of all, 854 01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:00.360 the fact that something is written by a man, I mean all books are 855 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.960 written by men, and all books are then interpreted, So the fact that 856 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:11.199 it's interpreted has nothing to do with it being opinion. So this is confusing 857 01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:15.679 two different things. The fact that you interpret something does not make that merely 858 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.639 your opinion. But secondly, the Bible is not any random, mere book. 859 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:25.079 It's a book of divine revelation. And one of the ways that we 860 01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:30.039 know that is by the not just a transport argument, but by the many, 861 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:34.679 many, many prophetic future prediction statements that it has. So the messianic 862 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:40.880 prophecies, of which there are many, not just a handful, those are 863 01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:46.280 things that attest to the inspiration of the text, and so that those are 864 01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:53.920 objective things that have nothing to do with one's personal opinions. Another thing I 865 01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:57.880 will kind of like the another vase to kind of get get at it is 866 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.159 that we have a normality will tortu which the church to pull it in ground 867 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:05.880 of truth that establishes the correct way to understand the doctrine exposited by scripture. 868 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:13.320 So that mechanism is in the Orthodox shure. That mechanism is fundamental in understanding 869 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:17.880 what is the true doctione. Because Orthodoxy is not a religion there there is. 870 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.199 There's the book, and then you read the book, and then you 871 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:24.400 get the doctrine. It's there's a doctrine, there's a dogma first, and 872 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:29.639 the book is the exposition of that. So there's a completely different frame of 873 01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:34.320 understanding. There's a collective, communal understanding that goes back, you know, 874 01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:39.880 two thousand years of how to understand the text, which is another guard against 875 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.800 it just being like a Protestant concept of you know, it's my interpretation versus 876 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:47.880 your interpretation. Yeah, um, this is a funny comment that I that 877 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:53.280 I that I that I saw Frankie D five dollars super chat J. What 878 01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:59.360 movie is your famous quote? Pure chaos? From I don't know. That's 879 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:00.639 the term that you can hear to a lot of them. I think you're 880 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.039 talking about when I'm doing an impression of Jordan Peterson, and i'd say pure 881 01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:10.559 chaos. So it's Jordan Peterson, it's not movie Oh yeah, might be 882 01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:15.559 that. Um, maybe it's maybe he's referring to some other impersonation that's like 883 01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:20.400 you're impersonal movie character. I don't know Peterson. Yeah, it's got to 884 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:24.199 be. That's the only time I remember ever saying something like that. But 885 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:28.639 what was the other question? The the well, the other question, Well, 886 01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:30.679 it wasn't a question, wasn't a super check musition. It was just 887 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:36.079 Mark pointing out that there's a recent prop video about why people are becoming Orthodoxynus 888 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:43.199 because a lot of prop pastors are j G h E. Why. So 889 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:45.880 I guess you got to ask yourself, why why does that happen? How 890 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:51.119 does that? How does that even happen in the first place? Um, 891 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:57.079 that's something that I think people can ask. But we're we're nearly we're nearly 892 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.360 getting to three hours. I did not expect the streams to be to be 893 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:02.800 this long, but I think definitely, like the whole men's stuff, and 894 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:05.559 like some other cultural stuff. I think that definitely another stream. I mean, 895 01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:12.159 I enjoy talking to you about pretty much anything, and hopefully you have 896 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.800 the same view about meat. But I really appreciate you coming here. Anything 897 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.479 you want to kind of say before be close to stream, anything you want 898 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:24.279 to kind of shout out or let people know, I would just say that, 899 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:28.720 you know, remember that all the work that we've done is not to 900 01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:34.520 have a mere intellectual discourse going on. It's to tell people that, you 901 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:38.520 know, you actually have to get into the church and you find healing in 902 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:43.319 the actual local church. So hopefully you can find a solid one around you, 903 01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.479 not one that's liberalized. So I would just say, you know, 904 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:53.560 look for ro corpor look for Serbian, look for Romanian, look for Antiochian 905 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.840 parishes around you, and uh, you know, try to check out and 906 01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:00.840 see if they're solid. Because that's all in the final analysis, not about 907 01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:06.000 internet stuff. It's about to actually going to church. Yeah exactly. I 908 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:12.560 mean the whole point of doing these streams and helping people it's to give them 909 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.359 reasons to become Ortodox, enjoy Orthodox church. It's that's the whole point of 910 01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:17.640 fit. I mean, if that if it doesn't result in that, then 911 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:25.560 it doesn't what we've done hasn't really concluded in something that we want to conclude. 912 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.560 And so one of the things that I've done, especially with you and 913 01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:31.199 even like these days with me, which I kind of I guess I didn't 914 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:35.840 really expect. But I see a lot of people well that like point that 915 01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:40.239 talk about how the videos you do, the videos I do, the videos 916 01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.760 redo together, and all of this kind of stuff like help us. Like 917 01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:46.159 recently I saw on Twitter someone who was Protestant when I saw him for the 918 01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:50.399 first time and then he's not Worthodox, basically saying that the stream we did, 919 01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:54.600 the debate review stream, we remember that fully equa one which I think 920 01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:57.800 was like our debate review I think was a masterpiece on that topic. I 921 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:02.159 think definitely anyone who's interested like advanced aspects of the relationship between the Holy Spirit 922 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:05.319 and the relation between the Holy Spirit and the Sun and how they relate to 923 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:09.479 the Father that that debate review stream we did, I think it's like the 924 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.199 number one for sure, because it touches on so many important things related to 925 01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:15.079 the debate. He said, for example, like oh yeah, that that 926 01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:19.640 video like really helped me understand the Orthodox position, like the stuff that that's 927 01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:25.680 what we're trying to accomplish, is that so help people give reasons, give 928 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:28.720 them reasons to become Orthodox. And so if you go to an Orthodox churchs 929 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.840 then yeah, what we've done is done, and we leave you to the 930 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:34.039 hand of your spiritual father, to your priest, and yeah, you know 931 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:39.520 that it's their job, right, it's their job. We've done what we 932 01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.800 could have done, right, So I want to kind of close up with 933 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.000 that as well. So thank you Jay, and thank you everyone, especially 934 01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:51.840 thank you to the super chatters. If you want to support Jay or I 935 01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:58.720 and I right then you can do so by looking at the description below. 936 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:00.640 You can support me on Patreon. You can support Jay on what do you 937 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.239 have? Rock on my website. You can subscribe it rock fan on my 938 01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:09.239 website. Yeah, rock Fin definitely checked James rock Fin out because he has 939 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:13.600 a lot of Rockfin exclusive videos there as well. And that's it. Yeah, 940 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:15.720 thank you for watching this and I'll see all of you next time, 941 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:21.880 maybe in the next video on the next streme goodbye and take care and let's 942 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:27.640 see if it's my stream yard is kind of laggy right now.