WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.120 To the Sasquatch experience as Henrymain yes, co host Mike killing from there for 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:08.439 and also the abs Mike ain't doing the night? Ah right, Henry, 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:11.640 how are you? Oh? I can't complain. James is with us today? 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.519 Are associated proser James Baker? James, ain't you doing? I might 5 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:19.679 see that a little cool today? Yeah, it's it's been called for like 6 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:25.480 three or four days here in Mississippi compared to we were having eighteen ninety degree 7 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:31.879 weather before that, So yeah, it's kind of weird usual. Let's see 8 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:36.920 tonight we're kind of going off the cup. The original schedule, the topic 9 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:42.079 was supposed to be an open mic discussion of Jan Clements the Creature, But 10 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:46.159 because Sean is not here and so it's all that's familiar with it, we 11 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:51.920 are going to We're going to delay that tonight. But this is kind of 12 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.200 an open mic night. If you guys want to call in, the phone 13 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:59.399 number of phone number is three four seven, nine nine six five eighty one 14 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:03.519 four of you any questions, comments, whatever, call on in and let's 15 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:10.040 see. There's been some interesting news stories going on. I'm on my blog 16 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:15.000 right now. We've got apparently there's Todd Tilvan. It can call himself a 17 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.959 authority on fastball Watch, is going to be on coast to coast am, 18 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:23.239 I believe tonight. I may be wrong on that. Uh oh is it 19 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.319 you lost Bill? Oh? Well, have you heard of that guy before? 20 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:36.079 Well, apparently he came out with this video last summer which shows something. 21 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:38.799 I don't know what it shows. It shows apparently, I've seen the 22 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:45.120 video. It shows something shaky, looks like something climbing up the side of 23 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:48.599 the mountain. He's supposed to be on coast to coast am tonight, and 24 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.879 he himself for playing the authority on Bigfoot, and he calls himself the discoverer 25 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:57.920 of the species and the credibill here. It might be interesting that some of 26 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.959 the Crypto Mundo readers called it some of the hard questions of mister Stanley. 27 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.519 Yeah, apparently this guy thinks he's of some sort of a world of sault 28 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:14.479 wordy on fast Watch watching the discoverer of the species sounds somewhat like someone in 29 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:22.159 the United States that we know and love the plain that makes outrageous claims. 30 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:29.560 We won't mention any names here, but now this guy, he thinks he's 31 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:38.719 some kind of a World Authority on Fastuatch and hum, well it sounds very 32 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:43.560 interesting, but but just uh, you know these people who claim to be 33 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:49.800 experts and things like that, they usually aren't. Oh yes, to take 34 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:54.400 you with a grain of salt. Yeah, there's this about that particular situation. 35 00:02:54.719 --> 00:03:00.680 Uh, well you're gonna do is kind of look at what they produced. 36 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.960 But they work, you know, like we had you know, we 37 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.719 had a discussion about the science that we all have have like I'll have him 38 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.879 so that you know what I report or what the kind of courts or what 39 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:17.520 do you report? Everyone? And also credible. Yeah, I agree. 40 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:23.840 I received a couple of interesting documentaries of the past couple of weeks. One 41 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:29.360 is from Tom's partem called Operations in the Dark Sasquatch Experience. It's very good, 42 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.520 by the way, I gave it a very good rating. I think 43 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:36.960 it was. I think I gave it five out of five stars. Well, 44 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.319 we know you love the title having that for sure. Yeah, he's 45 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:46.840 our name, no no, Tom is going to be our cast in a 46 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:53.120 couple of weeks right here on the Sasquatch Experience and uh, we're gonna talk 47 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:57.400 to him about his documentary and things like that. Mike, if you're listening, 48 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.039 go ahead and reinvite Bill into the chat them there. The other documentary 49 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:05.560 I got is called Bigfoot and Encounter with Reality, which was produced by pat 50 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:12.039 Holdbrook, and that it is based on the work of the past of m 51 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.199 K. Davis and Rick Noell on the Patterson Gimmlin movie and based on the 52 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.759 work that they have done that they have done, the enhancements and things like 53 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:25.360 that. It's sort of a it's sort of part documentary, part drama. 54 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.920 And I have to say the acting is not all that good in it from 55 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.480 the actor, not the researchers themselves, but the researchers are great. M 56 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:38.759 K. Davis, Don Keating, Linda Weigel, Chuck's story. There's a 57 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:43.839 Native American his interviewing named Rainbow Eagle, who are discussed into the Sasquatch, 58 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.079 the Native American perspective on Fasquatch, things like that, he's from the Dark 59 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:56.639 features, Rick Knowles, Gott Harriet, Mike Hall, Bob Strain have Catholic 60 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:01.519 Strained husband. He's He and Kaffy been on the show before and it's very 61 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:08.519 good. And there's a great recreation in that particular documentary of some of the 62 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.680 story. There's even a recreation of the scuok and calf, which is done 63 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.800 with the guy in the suit lying down and reaching over for food much like 64 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:23.319 much like gorillas do. So they did a recreation on purpose with a guy 65 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:27.399 in a suit. Well yeah, I mean it was like a reenactment, 66 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:33.519 you know, a reenactment type thing. Okay, And I think the reenactments 67 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:39.279 is what it is. And anyway, there's an interesting but anyway, it's 68 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:44.120 a good documentary. It's really well done. Todd that his family really worked 69 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:48.120 hard on it. He even interviews his his mother and his father. His 70 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:51.839 mother was in the was in the trailer house that night when it's when that 71 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:58.279 when this when this occurred. Apparently something was trying to break in to their 72 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:03.279 trailer there. Well what happened was the little the older brother Todd partein and 73 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.519 he was in there. His older brother had seen it and then looked at 74 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.560 see it looking through the window. They had a door with an old with 75 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.519 a window on it, one of them crank old cranking one of one of 76 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.560 those types of windows you had to crank to open it. And his brother 77 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:26.639 saw it and then his mother covered the window with a blanket, so they 78 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.000 wouldn't have to look at it, or he couldn't look in you know, 79 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:34.079 a welcome back bill, by the way. And it's a pretty scary story 80 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.920 and Todd can tell us more about it when he's on a couple of weeks. 81 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:43.759 But it's very interesting. It's a good documentary. Let's see, there's 82 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:50.720 a petition now out this protect Bigfoot and that is from from Edmonton, Alberta, 83 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:57.680 Canada. An Edmonton MP has presented the government with a petition to protect 84 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:04.680 binkfoots. Edmonton Millwood Beaumont MP Mike Lake offered the petition up mark twenty eighth 85 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:09.959 on the House of Commons on behalf of a constituent convinced bick would exists and 86 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:15.240 lead of protection. You don't need to make judgment calls on petitions, Lake 87 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.000 told on media incident, we try to do it as a service. Constituents 88 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:23.120 ask whether or not he believes in Bigfoot. The Tory offered a firm no, 89 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.759 followed by a chuckle. But if he did exist, I'm sure he 90 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:31.279 would vote in dp's Lake kidded, god Standing thirty three is the Bigfoot seeker 91 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.480 behind the petition. So this odstanding character apparently is behind it not by about 92 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:40.920 five hundred people, he said. He claims to have at least twelve peconds 93 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.720 of video position that proves good for the exits. He's worked into a thirty 94 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:49.199 minute documentary. The movie is called Sylvanna, a derivative of a native word 95 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:55.160 used in Tethers, British club here to describe the shadow guardians of the mountains 96 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.360 and the movie maker. The fact the petition will now be considered by the 97 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.920 government is a huge victory that standing now we're in the nation's business. People 98 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.680 are going to start taking you seriously. People ask me, why would you 99 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:09.519 do it? It doesn't make any sense. Of course, it makes sense 100 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.279 because I've really found the species. Anyone could go out and next toet these 101 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.160 animals and I can't allow that to transpire. He won't say where in the 102 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.000 Rocky Mountains he caught Bigfoot on camera. When you have a bigfoot discovery and 103 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.519 then with guns show up, he said, people lying to's even cheap because 104 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:31.000 it's worth millions and you find Vickfoot and become famous. The government has yet 105 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.320 respotted to the petition, but has forty five days from the time who's presented 106 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.200 to do so. That's from maximony of the endocent Sun. So apparently this 107 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.120 Todd standing fellow seems to be behind this. Now, your thoughts, Mike 108 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.480 and Jane, Well, I mean, I think anytime you can get a 109 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:54.159 government to uh, you know, to officially recognize a species like that, 110 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.320 and you know, if they if they do in fact the vote in favor 111 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.320 of what he's proposing, I think that's all always a good thing. You 112 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.159 know, whether the people voting on it to believe that the creature exists or 113 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.480 not, or whether even most of the people living there believe it or not. 114 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.799 You know, it's always a good thing if you can get get the 115 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.720 law passed and you know, possibly help persuade people that's that hunting it would 116 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.799 not be a wise thing if it should prove to exist, you know, 117 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.840 I mean, at least at least they're trying to do something to try to 118 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.720 protect it in some way, similar to the the local statutes that they have 119 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:37.879 in in Washington State and also in an upstate New York they have in one 120 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.879 county they have a law that's illegal to on these street too. So I 121 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:45.399 think if they can get the government to pass it, you know, more 122 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.840 power to them. Yeah, Mike, Oh, I'm sorry, James, 123 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.759 go ahead. It sounds like a good idea, and milet problem is that 124 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.440 may bring undue attention, and people who have nothing better to do may stay 125 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.799 exciting things like that just to get on the news or whatever. That's the 126 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.960 only thing I can see is there's gonna be a lot of people that shouldn't 127 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.919 be out there out there just to do it to you know, make fun 128 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.320 of it, right, And I agree with you, Yeah, Mike, 129 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.399 don't think did you may? Isn't there some sort of a law or wasn't 130 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:24.200 there some sort of law pass in Whitehall? And I think in that county? 131 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.399 Yeah, there is. There is a law on the books in the 132 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.200 Washington County county state in New York, Washington County where where Whitehall is, 133 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:39.480 and his old middle similar law in Washington state in one of the counties there. 134 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:45.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We actually have a question from a fellow 135 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:50.000 on paltal And that goes by the name seven run. Then can you address 136 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.039 the aspect of people seeing big put blowing red eyes and how you feel on 137 00:10:54.159 --> 00:11:00.559 the net? Now, it's interesting Todder Partain described what the creature that that 138 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:05.039 may that he and his family saw with glowing red eyes. There's that phenomena. 139 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:11.279 God Harriet described what he saw with glowing red eyes. Well, what 140 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:18.120 do you guys think of that? But it's certainly been described in a lot 141 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.519 of eyewitness reports. But but you know, it's hard to say or the 142 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:30.279 eye was actually glowing or or have a reflection of some type of natural light. 143 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:35.279 Maybe the creature has a redded, dead reddish tang to the retinas that 144 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.240 it may just reflect light in that way. Hard to say, hey, 145 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:43.159 if it's fact glowing oil, if it's just a reflection, But many people 146 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:48.600 have many people have mentioned in their eyewitness which reports that they've seen the glowing 147 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.080 red eyes. Yeah, that's what I actually might be a trick in light. 148 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:58.879 Well, if it could be something I really don't know. I mean, 149 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.480 if thanks severing for your question though, we really appreciate it. And 150 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.519 again if you guys in the chat room, if you guys have any questions, 151 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.879 you know, type them up and we'll try and answer them best we 152 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.960 can. And again have the number if three, four, seven, nine, 153 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.360 nine, five, eight, one fourth you got to have any questions, 154 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.320 just call on in and that. But what about this petition, Yeah, 155 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:24.159 this petition to protect Nickfoot, Well, Metacol last year, the host 156 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.960 of the X Zone, he actually came up with a similar petition. Unfortunately, 157 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.960 it got less than one hundred and fifty THO one hundred and fifty fignatures, 158 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.000 so it didn't really get very much of anywhere. I mean, it 159 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:45.120 was a good symbolic, it was a good symbolic gesture, but I just 160 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:50.720 didn't really get much of anywhere unfortunately. So I mean, I guess my 161 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.840 question is, how can there be protection for a speche that has not been 162 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:01.200 proven to invent yet. Maybe they're just being premptive and the there are people 163 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.519 wandering around to make some money to shoot this thing and wind up hurting someone 164 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:11.879 else or another animal, or you know, shoot some animal that's not I'm 165 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.480 not saying that there's like an animal that's gonna be real close to it. 166 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.159 But if you see, if you got a bunch of guys hunting out there 167 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.759 looking for this specific creature and they know they can shoot it on site, 168 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.120 how many bear dear what other animals are they going to say, Oh, 169 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.720 I was looking for soft squatch and I hit that by accident. Make a 170 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.679 law. Then they can say, well, you were hunting for an endangered 171 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:41.960 specie so we got to now now, yeah, novit. Yeah, I 172 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:46.639 was just gonna say it could also be maybe meaning to spare the lives of 173 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.840 a few foolish people who would want to perpetrate a hope by running around in 174 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:56.000 a bigfoot soup. You know, maybe the power is a defigure If they 175 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.279 make it illegal to shoot at any large, upright hairy, you know, 176 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:05.159 bipedal figure, maybe they would save the lives of a few foolish poxers that 177 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.120 wander about in the woods in a suit trying to porpetrate a hope. Yeah, 178 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.120 good point, Mike. Now here's an interesting news item that Well, 179 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.679 first of all, I had to say, I think it's a good idea 180 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.960 to have protection, pre emtive protection for a species. You know, it 181 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:31.279 was because of Robert W. Morgan's efforts that the that that legislation was passing 182 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.759 in Comdian County, Washington in nineteen sixty nine, you know, where anybody 183 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:41.440 who was to kill a fast watch would have to pay a ten thousand dollars 184 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.639 fine and serve a five year jail fin. Now it's been reduced. It 185 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.159 was reduced in nine community four down to I think I think it's one thousand 186 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:56.120 dollars fine and like ninety days in prisoner or something like that. I don't 187 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:00.559 have it in front of me, but it was reduced still a little bit, 188 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.360 quite a bit in nineteen eighty four, so that particular, but the 189 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.200 law is still on the books, it's still there. You have to wonder, 190 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.919 Henry, what was the reason for them to reduce that, because that 191 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.320 is greatly reduced in the original statute. You know, you have to wonder 192 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.879 what if they went to the barder of voting and passing it and signing it 193 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.480 into law. You got to wonder, why would they revisit it in nineteen 194 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.799 eighty four, and what possible reason could there be for lowering the penalties. 195 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.759 You know, that would seem to be a law that they would pass and 196 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.840 pretty much fall but forget. You know, amongst all the myriad of other 197 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.080 laws that they have to probably review and passed over all the years, you 198 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.279 would think bigfoot law or protection law would be way down on the list of 199 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.360 importance. And why would they even revisit it to lower it the penalties? 200 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.879 It's kind of odd. I would probably check the local courthouse and see if 201 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:58.600 there was a case against someone specifically, and either they lost or judged somewhere 202 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.399 realized that they were using it for an alternate mean now and that's why they 203 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.000 reduced it. Yeah, that's actually a good question, Mike, and a 204 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.639 good point from James there. Well, you got a questions the chat room 205 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.879 from our good friend Dale Green. Question for Mike, so what for areas 206 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.159 are you going on? In the answer, a big Foot expedition. What 207 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.919 do you think you're going to find? You sedro leaves playing. All right, 208 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.000 Well, I know, of course I'm not gonna give you the heat 209 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.759 exactly emails of where we're going, because we don't want to give that away 210 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.320 in case some hoaxers would try to, uh you know, show up there 211 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.480 on it. But I say we're going to be the ad around that mountain 212 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:42.399 area there. We're going to be going this next coming weekend Friday Monday. 213 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:48.320 And how it's how it could be, uh it be interesting, it should 214 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.080 be you know, it would be a nice exp whether we we come away 215 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.480 with anything or not. Now I can say that in this area that we're 216 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:00.159 olling to has the Dagon has a history of patent activity in the past and 217 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:07.279 quite recently, and and in fact UH is also going to be joining us 218 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.920 a Honey expedition. It did in fact buying the ass A track, which 219 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:14.559 was one of the teple track, but I got to say only half one 220 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:21.720 just had November. I love November six, probably not for them, A 221 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.079 mile of silent whatever. We're gonna be set up at base camp, so 222 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.440 uh you know, definitely an active area and I would not be surprised. 223 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.920 Uhl bods will be climbing some tracks, some other sign maybe some tree breaks. 224 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:38.240 We're gonna be decloyed there with with a whole of different equipment, full 225 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:44.880 audio and video eatments, still cameras, phil can with path folet mic set 226 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.720 up and you name it. We're gonna have all sorts of equipment, night 227 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:49.559 vision that we're gonna be you know, we're gonna be ready for anything, 228 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:56.079 uh presented stuff. We're gonna have teams both fulk siven day and then and 229 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.839 uh you know, it looks like we're gonna have good time out expeditions. 230 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:04.440 We'll gets over the guys up and you might remain have have satellite. I 231 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.839 don't have one that faith can't mean they can't, but have several satellites tell 232 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:15.240 them of double many and I'm trying to like triangular. I know that several 233 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:22.160 of the numbers you have the as dom and Rhino five thirty twig videos which 234 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.839 side seeing radio or also GPS devices, and they actually will triangulate if one 235 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.440 person is talking to the other person on the radio, it actually gives you 236 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.799 an exact read out of where that guy is. You know that you're talking 237 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:40.480 to exactly backstanding. So several on the guys in our expedition will have the 238 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:44.119 gout. It will be interesting to see if anybody has any kind of activity 239 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.319 near them. We'll be able to know instantly exactly where they are and what 240 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.359 area the activity is. It should be very interesting. Wow, yeah, 241 00:18:52.400 --> 00:19:00.559 that sounds great. Let's see, Well you have another question for from seven 242 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:07.039 round bf on on Ya hu Mean on paltalk. He says, I wonder 243 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.960 what that law referring to the law and protecting fast watch. If he wonders 244 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.839 with that law the imprisonment if a person can still keep the fast watched, 245 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:26.440 Bonnie, what do you guys think of that? Well, in that kind 246 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:30.000 of situation, if they've broken the law, the government probably up it. 247 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:37.960 I guarantee somebody Symare would get enough video that someone would still make or reasonable 248 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:42.680 and if it was confiscated bout like let's say, for stranger, they're gonna 249 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:48.839 tell somebody because that's that kind of thing, proof that actually existed. They 250 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.519 couldn't keep that, you know, low key, there'd be somebody somewhere they 251 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.720 go, oh my god, I know what you have now. Oh yeah. 252 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:02.039 And of course you have to be careful if someone tells you, well, 253 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:04.599 I've got a fast watched body or I've got a fast watched body part, 254 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:08.759 you know, he has to be careful that you don't get taken in. 255 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:15.200 I've read a recent example. It was in Renada Hinnden's book Well DoD 256 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:19.720 Hunter, Renaedea Hendon's book Fast Watch Bigfoot, The Search for North America's Incredible 257 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:26.079 Creature, where this guy near Bosburg, Washington, claimed at first he had 258 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.960 won a den one in a cane, and then he claimed he had he 259 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:38.119 had a body part in a freezer. And several parties like Renadea Hendon and 260 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:44.640 Roger Patterson and people like that, they were wanting to paint this guy, 261 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.599 you know, trying and he kept helping the anty, you know, and 262 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:56.039 eventually it turned out he didn't have anything, obviously, but it was it 263 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.039 was quite a wild use chase that Renade said he learned quite a bit from 264 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.799 that, you know, from from his days in Boxford. That was right 265 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:08.640 around the time that they found the cripple Foot camp. The tracks, the 266 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:15.920 cripple Foot tracks which was at one eighty nine tracks all lay in line. 267 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:22.720 So yeah, that was that was one of the largest that was one of 268 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.319 the largest you know line of tracks that was ever ever documented as far as 269 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:34.960 I'm worry. Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, Severn, thank 270 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.160 you for that question as well, thank you again. And interestingly enough, 271 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:45.519 the law that there is no law as community County was passed on April Fools 272 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:53.079 Today, nineteen sixty nine, so you know there's a bit of that's very 273 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:57.720 interesting. Thirty eight years ago on April Fool's Day that law was passed. 274 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:07.480 Yeah, you think somebody was trying to make make a little joke with the 275 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:12.920 law by passing it on ap a pool day. No, Well, here 276 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:21.200 is another interesting his item that I found is bigfoot trapsing through tobic Probably not, 277 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:26.079 but it is one ferry behind mysterious tree break times rider. This is 278 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.480 some Friday, a bunch of trees snapped into along the trail at Bay County, 279 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:37.480 Tobco Marsh. I think it's in Minnesota. Have some wondering if it's 280 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:41.839 the handiwork of the big foots Lynn Connley. A base of the artists can't 281 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:48.920 think, Oh, I'm sorry, Michigan, not Minnesota, Michigan. A 282 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.880 base of the artist can't think of what else but a hairy manlike feature or 283 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.000 sasquatch could have done the damage. Last month, about a quarter mile from 284 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:02.799 the parking lot or Marsh, visitors Commonly and friend Charles Robinson at Hanford say 285 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:07.720 they found a group of fifteen to twenty live popplar and oak trees and then 286 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.240 recently been snapped off at a height of two to ten feet. I looked 287 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.200 at it really carefully, said Conley, fifty two. I thought at first 288 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.480 it might have been a bear. There were no claw marks your snaps. 289 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.880 My first inclination was bigfoot. Honestly, it was so weird. The air 290 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.519 was eerie. It was something I can't even hardly describe. Comain and Robinson 291 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.720 left the trees or were getting back into their car when they heard another tree 292 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:36.200 snap. There was no wind, no read reports to snap. Mike Emmanov, 293 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:42.720 servilvisor for the Spainsy Saint Recreation Area in Bangor Toaltionship, which includes the 294 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:47.079 marsh. Said he doesn't know what going to cause the tree breaks. It's 295 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:51.640 probably a logical explanation. Evanov's sends. He said the park gets supports every 296 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:56.519 couple of years about black bears passing through the marsh, and then the story 297 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:03.039 continues, Well that's pretty much it. But uh, the problem with that 298 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:10.440 story is you tend to get a little bit romantic. It's a little bit 299 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.640 of a romantic type thing, you know, where somebody saying, oh the 300 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:18.240 trees not have that's bigfoot, that's done by bigfoot, when there could be 301 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.599 just it could be just a logical explanation. Mike, what are your thoughts? 302 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.440 I'm sorry, Henry, I didn't catch all of what you said there. 303 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.759 Well, basically that was the story about these people in Michigan finding the 304 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:40.920 trees snapped off and blaming it on Bigfoot, and I mentioned that it was 305 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.119 probably it was sort of a romantic thing, you know, to say, 306 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.359 oh, these trees are bigfoot? Did it? You know? What were 307 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:53.359 your thoughts on that? Well? I would buy for sure to just say 308 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.799 right off the top of your head that it was definitely you know in their 309 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:03.200 minds related to Bigfoot at activity. Yeah, I think that's that's definitely uh 310 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:07.160 out of wine. I mean, you know that there's many different different weather 311 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.720 phenomenon that will you know, that will snap trees, especially you know, 312 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.400 if you're up in the Northern States, depending on what time of year this 313 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.079 was, you know, you get a lot of ice storms, you get 314 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.559 a lot of just storms in general, you know that could damage trees, 315 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.680 snap trees, snow and ice. You know, of course it's in the 316 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.079 summertime during this occurred, then then you'd have to take away the snow and 317 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.599 the ice possibility. But you know there is other you know, natural occurring 318 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.519 phenomena that could you know, lead to to tree bakes. Now, if 319 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:47.200 the breaks were you know, just one or two trees and no other trees 320 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.880 in that immediate area were affected, or you know, if there was a 321 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:56.279 very definite twist, and and if the tree was twisted in such a way 322 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.519 that you know, it does not look like it was normal storm damage, 323 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.039 then you know that of course, then I would say, well, maybe 324 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.799 there's the possibility, but just to see some snap trees and to immediately you 325 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.440 know say, well, I think this was big for related. I don't 326 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:14.240 think that's that's good, that's good, you know protocol. I think you 327 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:18.920 have to really examine the area where the damage was and really basically try to 328 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:25.039 woo out any other type of occurrence that could have caused it before you could 329 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.440 get down to it and say, well, you know, maybe this could 330 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.359 have been bigfoot or TAS squad related. But I think you have to rule 331 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.640 the other variables out first, if you're a good investigator, good researcher. 332 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.559 Oh absolutely, Jane, do you have any thoughts. I think that he 333 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.519 hit it right on the head, you know, right on the head there. 334 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.400 I mean, you don't want to just say that's what it is, 335 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.960 because then when they prove it to bear, they prove it the weather phenomenal, 336 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:52.480 that just makes it fork bad. Well, if you jump to any 337 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:59.279 conclusion too quickly, I have so much possibility there could be something completely different. 338 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:07.519 Oh yeah, absolutely, I completely agree with that. And uh well, 339 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:14.119 speaking of weather related phenomena on our good friend Tom Buscardi was out on 340 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:26.119 expedition this past week and with interesting results. He claimed that while they were 341 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.759 out on expedition that their camp was torn up by an F five tornado, 342 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.359 which is interesting because the National Weather Service did not report any tornado warnings or 343 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.599 any any any tornadoes on the ground in the in Lamar County, Texas. 344 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:48.200 That's where they were in the Parents, Texas area in Lamar County around Pat 345 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.519 made Blake. So you have to wonder because there were straight line winds, 346 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.240 but no tornadoes that were reported. Matter of fact, there has been a 347 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:03.960 tornado reported in that area. Yes, it's about two thousand five I think 348 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:08.720 in that particular area. So you have to wonder about that. And well, 349 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:14.599 you know, now I'm not trying to band back the carding by well, 350 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:19.680 let's just say his expedition just wasn't that good. It didn't really produce 351 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:26.200 the results he wanted. He was filming his reality show, which was called 352 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:36.599 Capturing Bigfoote and just things just didn't go too well for him. The I'm 353 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.720 sorry, go ahead, you just figured that he used out as an excuse, 354 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.960 and you know, because he didn't get anything you really wanted to have. 355 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:55.759 Yeah, right, exactly. But apparently a group that was with him 356 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:03.119 apparently they cornered something. They think they cornered a small female. Fact Watch 357 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:11.640 and a fellow named David Holly reported that a and I'm not one to I'm 358 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:18.720 not one to to say, oh well, I'm not one to say that 359 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.680 they didn't that they didn't see something. I don't know what they saw. 360 00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.960 But they saw something. I don't know what. I had no idea what 361 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.400 they saw. What they supposedly trapped. They said they cornered this thing, 362 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.920 you know, so I don't know. And they found tracks, although the 363 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:45.960 tracks looked suspiciously like well, tracks that I've seen before from certain hoaxers. 364 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.640 So well, I'm a little dubious of the track. I'll say that much. 365 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:56.920 Yeah, that's all I'm going to say. But now they were down 366 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.799 there for about three four days and basically all they got was tracked and possible 367 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:07.640 signing and that was about it. So Mike, I'm gonna turn it over 368 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:15.519 to you, and uh, let me get your uh your comment on the 369 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:22.160 on the Piscotti expedition and his finding of tracks, well just general the whole 370 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:27.119 thing, well, I mean, as you as you you know stupid pointed 371 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.680 out and the you know, Piscotti's expeditions, I mean, any of them, 372 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.680 are all of them as a whole, you can say, you know, 373 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:41.119 they they they tend to to not quite live up to their billing in 374 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:42.960 a lot of cases. Now I know, I know he has. He 375 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.799 has purportedly had some close up encounters. I know. I know Steve Coles 376 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.559 was with him in in one instance in Texas and Steve Coles, you know, 377 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.559 sore with his own eyes through through a feneral scope. I believe it 378 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.480 was they saw that was a very state area, the very area where they 379 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.640 were, you a fan, very Miriam So so I know, I know 380 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:11.079 he has gotten close columns to a possible preacher or at least what to say 381 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.839 it was. It was thoughts to be a preacher. It was it was 382 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.119 something of of you know, what they described as a good size or you 383 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.680 know, larger than human size. And uh, I know Steve Cole saw 384 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.920 it, and I know they had a skeptical reporter with them at the time 385 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.240 from some local paper down there. That was a record that was very skeptical 386 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.119 and he was allowed to look through the the device and he sort of shape 387 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.759 too. So I think that got him a little bit, you know, 388 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.640 a little bit more on the other side of the fence of the possibly believing. 389 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.880 But I mean, you know, the whole the whole fiasco with with 390 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.759 the with when he announced that he had the creature captured, that that kind 391 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.000 of turned a lot of people off to him. Now, now, granted, 392 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.240 he was saying that he was in fact hoax by by the people that 393 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.759 he was working with that told that they had in fact had the creature, 394 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.200 you know, in custody. So he's claiming that he was actually hoaxed by 395 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.519 them, which is possible. But I just think that, uh, you 396 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:13.640 know, it did a lot to tarnish his image with a lot of people, 397 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.319 and I think he's going to have to work very hard and probably take 398 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:22.240 quite some time to to rebuild his credibility, uh to what it was, 399 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:27.039 you know, before that incident, that for that that claimed the capture incident, 400 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.640 because I think that definitely did him at the service and it definitely harmed 401 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.480 his credibility. Do I think that the guy is a complete hoaxer? No, 402 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.119 I think that I think that he is out there looking, and he 403 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.640 certainly goes around the country. He certainly, you know, spends quite a 404 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.160 bit of his time traveling to different uh you know, alleged hot spots, 405 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.759 and and I think he really is, you know, trying to solve this 406 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:55.079 mystery. But you know, I think sometimes he becomes a little a little 407 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.640 too much Peaky Barham and not enough you know, not enough investigator. I 408 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:05.000 think some times he you know, he sometimes he's a little more of a 409 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.880 showman than than an actual researcher. But uh, I believe his intentions are 410 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.400 overwhelmed. But yeah, well you know, you know what they say about 411 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:19.680 good intentions. The Road to Hell has said the good intention, So well, 412 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.640 I completely agree with you, Mike. I do you know, you 413 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.319 really hit on some good points there. I completely agree. Go ahead, 414 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.920 well you look at you look at a lot of your you know now major 415 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:36.400 trying to think like reporters look vestigators, lad, And it's exactly what he's 416 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:42.880 saying is he's not checking into the facts. And then he's looking like Heralda, 417 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.319 you know, because he's not given enough for the information initially to say, 418 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.440 you know what, I need to know more about this because put it 419 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.440 on TV before I say, like thinking and if he you know, he 420 00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:01.200 does his reputation. Oh yeah, James, I agree with you. No, 421 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.079 I'm very reticent to call the man the hoaxer. You know, I 422 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.360 will not sit here and say the man is a hoaxer because I don't know 423 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.079 the thing he is. He never been caught hoaxing. He's been caught, 424 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.840 you know, stretching the truth a little bit, you know. That's about 425 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.079 all I'll say about that. He's been caught stretching the truth of you times, 426 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.960 but the cover is actual hoaxing. No, No, he's never been 427 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.280 caught doing that, saying, very reticent to call anybody a hoaxer at this 428 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.760 point, as long as I don't feel comfortable of saying someone's a hoaxer unless 429 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.079 I know for sure they are. That's what I'm saying. You know, 430 00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.840 I'm not trying to and I'm not saying that he's not doing a good thing, 431 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.360 you know, because yes, at least he's getting out there. It 432 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.840 could be done better. I'll just say that it could be done better. 433 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.079 It makes it harder for him to, you know, the next big thing 434 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:58.719 he has for people to take it serious when he has. The last bake 435 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.880 thing was look like a hoax and it wasn't. And maybe it wasn't his 436 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.320 fault. Maybe he got that information or maybe he believed in it just a 437 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.320 little too much and said we're gonna run with us because it seems great. 438 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.880 But I didn't really check into it. And that's that's where his downfall is, 439 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.480 is not checking his facts again and again, you know, because every 440 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.000 time he puts out one of these reports, it just makes him look worse. 441 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.000 Yeah. Yeah, I tend to engrave with that. Mike. Well, 442 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:31.599 he think, well, like you said, I'm not about to imply 443 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.639 anybody as a hoaxer without definite, concrete proofs. I just wouldn't do that. 444 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.960 I think he is trying to do in his mind what what what he 445 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.840 feels is is uh, you know, important research. And I think he 446 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.199 is out there making the attempts to make some type of discovery. I mean, 447 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:54.760 if you look at it this way and think in these terms, you 448 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.639 know, a hoaxer does not have to travel around the country, visiting many 449 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.440 different state spending a lot of his own money out of pocket from what I 450 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:06.960 understand, going all these different places. I mean, let's face it, 451 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.840 if he wanted to hoax something, all you have to do is go into 452 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.920 the woods one time, maybe twice. You know, he wanted to do 453 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.440 two hoaxes, you know, one one in the early part of the year 454 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:17.199 and one the later part. You know, you wouldn't have to be out 455 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.360 there practically almost every month. It seems like he'd go in someplace. You 456 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.199 know, why would you have to travel all around and uh and be bothered 457 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.639 it. You know, anybody can just go out once and uh and claim 458 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.119 a hoax. You know, you don't have to keep constantly going out. 459 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:36.719 And it seems like he does travel around quite a bit, and he he 460 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.000 does hook up with other researchers. Like I said, I mentioned Steve Couls 461 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:44.320 but there's another's he does try to network himself with other legitimate researcher. So, 462 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.159 you know, I feel the guy is you know, he's definitely trying 463 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:52.440 to uh do the right thing. But as as James said, I think 464 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.039 he might have been led stray by other people. He might have been fed 465 00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:00.039 some false information or not bought at double check, which of course is his 466 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.280 own you know fault. I mean, he should have double checked all his 467 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.679 facts and stuff before he goes and makes that kind of an announcement. But 468 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.079 you know, maybe he was pulled up in the heat of a moment or 469 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:14.159 what have you, but it certainly can't a shadow of doubt on him, 470 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.880 and you know it damaged to you know, he did himself and in a 471 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.840 way, he damaged his own credibility, and uh, you know, I 472 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:25.119 think it's gonna take quite a while of a really good, solid research efforts. 473 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:30.119 And maybe this is why he's trying to network with other legitimate researchers, 474 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.440 because maybe he feels that this will, you know, help but improve his 475 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.280 image once again, to get out there in the field with a lot of 476 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.800 other legitimate research. I mean, I'm just guessing it. It's just a 477 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.559 wild gat to the high part. But you know, maybe he feels it's 478 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.960 some type of damage control. But I think the guy is trying to get 479 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.719 out there. He's making the effort to be in the field. I mean, 480 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.480 you know, to me, if you're gonna if you're gonna be a 481 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.559 hoax, or you don't have to travel all around the country and go to 482 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.679 all this trouble. You know what I'm saying, you can holax right in 483 00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.719 your backyard, so to speak, at my what's anyway? Oh yeah, 484 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.400 yeah, I agree with you on that, Mike. Okay. The phone 485 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.880 number is three four seven nine nine six five eight four. You guys, 486 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.079 any questions, comments, whatever, call on in and I can belavely agree 487 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.320 with you. What kills the scarney is you know? Number one? He 488 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.760 hands the association with Divan Marx. And we know that Ivan Marx have produced 489 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:29.199 several hope films, some of the most ridiculous looking films and then in photographs 490 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:31.960 that I've ever seen, you know, But yet the Scarty counts them as 491 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:37.119 real. And that hurts his credibility too, the fact that he counts these 492 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:42.079 things it's real. The problem is that the you know, we know, 493 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.239 we know, we in the Bigfoot community know these things are hopes. But 494 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:53.119 your average person out there in the you know, Joe Blow, they don't 495 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.639 know that much about the Scarty. They don't know about Ivan Martz. You 496 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.719 know, they see this bigfoot in Vincent. They say they've had a fighting. 497 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.800 Let's just you know, assume they've had a fighting. You know. 498 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.599 Well, they figure, well, we don't have anyone else to report it 499 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.440 to. Just let's report it to this guy. You know. This is 500 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.079 the guy who's pretty much visitable and out there. You know, we don't 501 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.639 see guys like John Green or m. K. Davis or Sean Parker or 502 00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:23.719 Henry may or Mike Killing, you know, promoting themselves. We see this 503 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.679 Tom mc carty. So let's tell him about our siding, you know, 504 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.840 and and what happens is they tell him and he he has the investigation of 505 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:37.719 a siding. The problem is though he believes just about anything that you're telling. 506 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.519 That's his whole problem, you know. And that's not a reflection on 507 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.679 him. It's just that that's the whole thing. He believes anything that somebody 508 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:52.360 tells him, and that's what happened. It's over romanticism. I think our 509 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.000 good friend Severn run Bs mets that in the chat room there. It's not 510 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.360 so much hosting, you know, it's it's over romanticism. You know, 511 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.599 this GUARDI tends to just believe anything that he told. Yeah, and you 512 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.880 can't have that blind safe and be a scientist at the same time. Yeah, 513 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:12.639 that's very true, Jane, Mike, did you have any follow up? 514 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.719 No, not really. I don't think I'll leave that alone. I 515 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.320 don't really have any doctive comments on that. I wanted to mention that recently, 516 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.719 our good friend Eric Altman and our other good friend ranger Jim Cassy gave 517 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.719 a presentation recently. And where was that, Mike, Indiana. Yeah, 518 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.280 I believe, yeah, they were quoting. There was a story on them 519 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.800 in the Indiana Gazette. I believe it was right. Yeah, I thought 520 00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:44.280 that was very interesting. You know that Eric, Eric and Tim have both 521 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:47.400 been on the show before, and they gave a presentation on a fast Watch. 522 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.360 And of course Eric is from Pennsylvania and he's a president of Veslvania Victims 523 00:40:52.400 --> 00:41:00.440 Society. Tim is an independent researcher from the state of Maine, and they 524 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.159 are both members of the ABM, and they were great to see them get 525 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.760 that exposure and give that publicity. You know, I hope that that publicity 526 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:14.800 will result in people wanting to report signing and in things to them, you 527 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.320 know, rather than to discovery. He would, you know, sort of 528 00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.159 he was sort of bringing a circus at sphere to it, you know. 529 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.559 And again, if not a reflection on him, it's just that that's what 530 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.840 it tends to be. I mean you I imagine you guys would agree with 531 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.519 that. Yeah, well, it certainly has name recognition. I'll give him 532 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.280 that much, as with some other people that have name recognition, some other 533 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:44.760 high profile guys, but not everybody has name recognition in the best possible way, 534 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.639 if you know what I mean that some individuals that have name recognition that 535 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.880 doesn't necessarily do them do them the best service let's say I give you a 536 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:58.159 perfect example. My name's James Baker, you know, with some people of 537 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.400 that name that you know because there were second Terry of States and other people 538 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:06.039 because they went to jail. I'd rather go to secretary of State. Yeah, 539 00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.400 that's that yuilp by association, name association, you know, things like 540 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.599 that. But you got to take that with the good I guess when it 541 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.000 comes to that kind of thing. But yeah, I'm just starting down. 542 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.679 I'll say this, he does get out there, he does get out there, 543 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:28.679 you know, and he does investigate. I'll say that much for him, 544 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.840 you know, And I mean that's a positive thing, you know, 545 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:37.719 it's it's a rare thing to have someone who's actually investigating. Now, where 546 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.920 where I draw the line is when he starts saying, uh, well, 547 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.039 when members of his group start talking about how nine eighty percent of us don't 548 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:50.519 do anything and there's only the two percent to get out there and actually do 549 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.880 something. You know, that I draw the line on. And I really, 550 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:01.559 I really that's it kind of offends me. It kind of offends me. 551 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:07.320 Even though I'm not a field guy. It doesn't offend me because you 552 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.920 know, hey, the armchair guys just as important. We do just as 553 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.719 much important works as the U as the as the field guys. You know, 554 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.960 and hey, it don't work for the it don't work for the armchair 555 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.000 guys. The field guys wouldn't have the information they need out there. You 556 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:29.199 know, if you know what I'm saying, I mean, Mike and James, 557 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.599 would you agree that the armchair guys are just as important pronounced as a 558 00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:37.440 field guys. But I feel like Henry, like you know, you can't 559 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.960 have one without the other. It's absolutely imperative that you have both types of 560 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.079 researches involved. Otherwise, you know, we're never going to solve this mystery. 561 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.079 Can't strictly just do field research without doing your your homework, so to 562 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.519 speak, at home or online or however you do it. But you know 563 00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.440 there's plenty of research to be done all out of field that you know that 564 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:04.000 is is very important to that. I don't think you can do one without 565 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.800 the other. I think you have to have both together to get the whole 566 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.559 picture. And I think that the armchair guy, you know, his analyzing 567 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.440 the field day that actually helps the field guy because the simple fact is is 568 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:20.840 they may put them in a whole new direction. Because the guy at the 569 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.960 field said, you know what, I did this really well. But the 570 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.119 guy at home says, you know what, he did this really well. 571 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.920 But if you would have gotten this little piece extra, which I probably would 572 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.480 have been around there, you would have you would have gotten that extra piece 573 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:37.000 that we needed. And then the next time he goes out, he goes 574 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.760 looking for that then and finds it. It works still one step closer. 575 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.800 Oh yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that, Jans differently, Yes, 576 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.280 I can really agree with you on that. And another thing, another 577 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.000 thing to keep in mind, Henry's a lot of researchers are bolt. You 578 00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:59.239 know, a lot of researchers that that do go into the field do spend 579 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.800 a fair amount of time doing what's you know, common and returned to his 580 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.719 armchair research. I mean, you know, I know for myself, I'm 581 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.280 one of them that, you know, when I'm not in the field, 582 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:12.440 I'm on the computer, really, you know, searching for any kind of 583 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.199 data that I can find. And you know, I'm in the process of 584 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:21.639 building my own personal database. I have collected the information on over two hundred 585 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.159 citing reports or encounters in New York State. I have over sixty something in 586 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.159 New Jersey, and I'm now in the process of starting to build a a 587 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.119 Pennsylvania and counters database. So, you know, I think there's a lot 588 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.000 of people that forss over those lins and do both, which you know, 589 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.480 obviously is great because you're you're you're you know, you're helping folk. You 590 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.599 know, both ways, you're doing field research and you're doing the armshair, 591 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:50.480 which of courtse is very important as well. Oh yeah, I think they 592 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:52.280 go hand in hand. You know that, that's kind I look at it. 593 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:58.559 I believe that the armchair and the field research go hand in hand. 594 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:04.440 You know, I don't do much field research anymore because of geographical location. 595 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:09.079 There's just not a whole lot of acivity going on around here. And also, 596 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:13.800 you know, my family needs me around here too, you know, 597 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:20.480 to help out with things around the house. So you know, it's besides, 598 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.159 I really don't I don't have my own transportation anyway, I don't have 599 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.119 my own vehicle, so I'm unable to you know, go in a moment 600 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.559 to know this to investiate some some something thirty miles or forty miles away. 601 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:37.480 So yeah, well, certainly I'll say field research is not for everyone. 602 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.920 You know, field research is quite demanding. You know, it's demanding of 603 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.199 your of your free time, it's demanding of of of you physically, you 604 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.760 know, to get out there and sometimes hype for miles and miles you know, 605 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.079 in your search for clues. It's demanding, you know, mentally, 606 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:59.039 physically, you know, financially. You know, it's not for everybody. 607 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.440 It's it's you know, you really have to have the wherewithal and the and 608 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.840 the determination to uh to stick with field research because it's it's not such an 609 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.239 easy road. It does. It does require a lot of a lot of 610 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:15.400 your your your resources, your your your money, your your time, your 611 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:17.800 you know, your effort, and it's just not for everyone. But you 612 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.400 know, thank goodness, we do have some people that that do get out 613 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:25.320 there in the field because you need both. You do need armchair research as 614 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.079 well as field research. And if it wasn't for those guys that did get 615 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.440 out there, there would be a lot of things that we don't know about 616 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.400 and vice versa. You know, the armchair is also important research, but 617 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.840 you know, you need people need to understand it. It's it's not so 618 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:45.440 easy to get out there and to do field research and certainly. Uh, 619 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.199 if you really get involved with it, you really want to try to uh, 620 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.320 you know, you want to make an effort to be you know, 621 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.800 fairly regular field researcher. It's you know, it's not such an easy thing. 622 00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.480 You can't go out, you know, just one time and consider itself 623 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.679 field research. You have to go out time and time again. And you 624 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.440 know the kind of research is, you know, ninety nine percent walk if 625 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.639 you find any evidence at all, and one percent guesswork on where you might 626 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.360 find it. So it's you know, it requires many, many, many 627 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.360 trips out into the field over and over and over again to really try to 628 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.760 come up with any kind of shred of good you know, physical evidence, 629 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:30.599 Oh, absolutely absolutely, And field work can be very exhausting, you know, 630 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:37.119 some you know, I would imagine that when when the field guys come 631 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.400 back, I imagine they are absolutely exhausted, just just tired, sore, 632 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.079 you know, wanting to take a shower, wanting to sleep for about two 633 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:52.280 or three days. I can imagine that it's very tiring on the on the 634 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:57.320 field researcher, you know, but God bless you guys, you know, 635 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.679 the guys who get out there and really do the grut work. They really 636 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.760 do the grut work, you know, And I tell you, I command 637 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:15.559 you guys, go ahead, James, I think that wasn't me. That 638 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.719 was yeah, that was me. I mean, I was just going to 639 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:22.079 say that. Yeah, I can personally attest the you know that I've been 640 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:27.920 on, you know, several expeditions, quite a few, and I can 641 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.840 tell you that, you know, it does. It does take a toll 642 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.800 on you, especially when you're trying to do the night ops, you know, 643 00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.639 when you're trying to do the night takeouts. There's been many expeditions where 644 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.760 I've been on a you know, weekend expedition and probably got a total of 645 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.360 four hours or five hours sleep over two days. So when you're trying to 646 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.079 stay up all night and then look for clues all day in the daylight, 647 00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.960 it can be quite quite a toll. It takes on you. By Sunday 648 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.199 when we're ready to leave, you know, I'm eager to get out of 649 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.800 the woods and get home and get a hot hour and get into bed, 650 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:05.960 that's for sure. Yeah, Yeah, definitely mind And I understand yeah, 651 00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.599 well, yeah, you already mentioned earlier about your expedition coming up next weekend. 652 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.480 I understand mister Coles is going to try and join you guys. Absolutely, 653 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:20.119 he's not going to try. He's a definite. Let's looking catastrophic comes 654 00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:23.000 up in the next few days. He's a confirmed, definitely going to be 655 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.760 there. And you know we're going to have a good group. It looks 656 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.199 like this weekend. You know, in the past we haven't quite had the 657 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.199 numbers of people that we had hoped for. A lot of people had said 658 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:36.320 they were going to go, and then you know, the league or two 659 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.480 before you start getting all this. One can't make it that and we can't 660 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.920 make it. You know, things happen in life. We understand as researchers, 661 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.480 we're doing this all on our free time, and you know family comes 662 00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.920 first and other obligations. But you know, as as it turns out, 663 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.079 so far, I have not heard from a single person yet that's backed out. 664 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.800 And you know, we're leaving this this next Friday morning, so I 665 00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:59.119 think we're going to have to put suize group this time. This will be 666 00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.199 great because the more guys in the Warriors we have out there in the it's 667 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.159 on the mountains and the hills at the valley's looking the better. Well, 668 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.559 make sure if you have a website or anything that you will post what you 669 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.679 guys find over the trip. Yeah, we absolutely do. We have a 670 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:20.679 form and then we also have a main website, and we will be posting 671 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:28.400 the findings on both of those. Website address is www dot Nestra dot net 672 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:34.079 last jupole d r u p a L, and we will definitely be posting 673 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.599 findings there. We also have a forum, which I'm not quite sure. 674 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:44.920 I think it's simply a nestraform dot net. I believe we've changed it, 675 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.079 and I always get confused between the old address and the new. But yeah, 676 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.360 but in any event, if you do, if you do a Google 677 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.920 search for Netra forum or just Netra in general, it will show up. 678 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:59.719 You'll you'll definitely get some other things. Funny enough, there's there's an organization 679 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:04.760 called the Northeast Nomobile Racing Association which also is NAT for the initials, so 680 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.880 that will come up on searches. But if you do a search, you'll 681 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.920 definitely find us. But the main website is NASA dot net, flash stupil 682 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.039 d r u p a O, and we will definitely be posting whatever finding 683 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:21.039 we have on there, as well as discussing and the very next night that 684 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.119 we come back, Monday night on Steve Cole Show, will be the guest 685 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.280 several of us, and we'll be talking all about our expedition, fresh fresh 686 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.480 from the field the day it's the next day. Yes, okay, guys, 687 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.840 I'm gonna go ahead and wrap it up, getting post of time. 688 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.079 So our guest next what do you? Will hopefully be international big for Society. 689 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:45.039 President Ray Crow and Steve Coles will have tomorrow night Doctor Hitter Theirrenbach. 690 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:51.079 So James Michael, thank you guys for being on tonight, and Mike thanks 691 00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:55.760 for Sean bl oh absolutely, Henry glad to glad to do it. Yep. 692 00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.199 And until next week y'all be good or be good. Then it has 693 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:00.760 been the Fastlog experience.