To the Sasquatch experience as Henrymain yes, co host Mike killing from there for
and also the abs Mike ain't doing the night? Ah right, Henry,
how are you? Oh? I can't complain. James is with us today?
Are associated proser James Baker? James, ain't you doing? I might
see that a little cool today? Yeah, it's it's been called for like
three or four days here in Mississippi compared to we were having eighteen ninety degree
weather before that, So yeah, it's kind of weird usual. Let's see
tonight we're kind of going off the cup. The original schedule, the topic
was supposed to be an open mic discussion of Jan Clements the Creature, But
because Sean is not here and so it's all that's familiar with it, we
are going to We're going to delay that tonight. But this is kind of
an open mic night. If you guys want to call in, the phone
number of phone number is three four seven, nine nine six five eighty one
four of you any questions, comments, whatever, call on in and let's
see. There's been some interesting news stories going on. I'm on my blog
right now. We've got apparently there's Todd Tilvan. It can call himself a
authority on fastball Watch, is going to be on coast to coast am,
I believe tonight. I may be wrong on that. Uh oh is it
you lost Bill? Oh? Well, have you heard of that guy before?
Well, apparently he came out with this video last summer which shows something.
I don't know what it shows. It shows apparently, I've seen the
video. It shows something shaky, looks like something climbing up the side of
the mountain. He's supposed to be on coast to coast am tonight, and
he himself for playing the authority on Bigfoot, and he calls himself the discoverer
of the species and the credibill here. It might be interesting that some of
the Crypto Mundo readers called it some of the hard questions of mister Stanley.
Yeah, apparently this guy thinks he's of some sort of a world of sault
wordy on fast Watch watching the discoverer of the species sounds somewhat like someone in
the United States that we know and love the plain that makes outrageous claims.
We won't mention any names here, but now this guy, he thinks he's
some kind of a World Authority on Fastuatch and hum, well it sounds very
interesting, but but just uh, you know these people who claim to be
experts and things like that, they usually aren't. Oh yes, to take
you with a grain of salt. Yeah, there's this about that particular situation.
Uh, well you're gonna do is kind of look at what they produced.
But they work, you know, like we had you know, we
had a discussion about the science that we all have have like I'll have him
so that you know what I report or what the kind of courts or what
do you report? Everyone? And also credible. Yeah, I agree.
I received a couple of interesting documentaries of the past couple of weeks. One
is from Tom's partem called Operations in the Dark Sasquatch Experience. It's very good,
by the way, I gave it a very good rating. I think
it was. I think I gave it five out of five stars. Well,
we know you love the title having that for sure. Yeah, he's
our name, no no, Tom is going to be our cast in a
couple of weeks right here on the Sasquatch Experience and uh, we're gonna talk
to him about his documentary and things like that. Mike, if you're listening,
go ahead and reinvite Bill into the chat them there. The other documentary
I got is called Bigfoot and Encounter with Reality, which was produced by pat
Holdbrook, and that it is based on the work of the past of m
K. Davis and Rick Noell on the Patterson Gimmlin movie and based on the
work that they have done that they have done, the enhancements and things like
that. It's sort of a it's sort of part documentary, part drama.
And I have to say the acting is not all that good in it from
the actor, not the researchers themselves, but the researchers are great. M
K. Davis, Don Keating, Linda Weigel, Chuck's story. There's a
Native American his interviewing named Rainbow Eagle, who are discussed into the Sasquatch,
the Native American perspective on Fasquatch, things like that, he's from the Dark
features, Rick Knowles, Gott Harriet, Mike Hall, Bob Strain have Catholic
Strained husband. He's He and Kaffy been on the show before and it's very
good. And there's a great recreation in that particular documentary of some of the
story. There's even a recreation of the scuok and calf, which is done
with the guy in the suit lying down and reaching over for food much like
much like gorillas do. So they did a recreation on purpose with a guy
in a suit. Well yeah, I mean it was like a reenactment,
you know, a reenactment type thing. Okay, And I think the reenactments
is what it is. And anyway, there's an interesting but anyway, it's
a good documentary. It's really well done. Todd that his family really worked
hard on it. He even interviews his his mother and his father. His
mother was in the was in the trailer house that night when it's when that
when this when this occurred. Apparently something was trying to break in to their
trailer there. Well what happened was the little the older brother Todd partein and
he was in there. His older brother had seen it and then looked at
see it looking through the window. They had a door with an old with
a window on it, one of them crank old cranking one of one of
those types of windows you had to crank to open it. And his brother
saw it and then his mother covered the window with a blanket, so they
wouldn't have to look at it, or he couldn't look in you know,
a welcome back bill, by the way. And it's a pretty scary story
and Todd can tell us more about it when he's on a couple of weeks.
But it's very interesting. It's a good documentary. Let's see, there's
a petition now out this protect Bigfoot and that is from from Edmonton, Alberta,
Canada. An Edmonton MP has presented the government with a petition to protect
binkfoots. Edmonton Millwood Beaumont MP Mike Lake offered the petition up mark twenty eighth
on the House of Commons on behalf of a constituent convinced bick would exists and
lead of protection. You don't need to make judgment calls on petitions, Lake
told on media incident, we try to do it as a service. Constituents
ask whether or not he believes in Bigfoot. The Tory offered a firm no,
followed by a chuckle. But if he did exist, I'm sure he
would vote in dp's Lake kidded, god Standing thirty three is the Bigfoot seeker
behind the petition. So this odstanding character apparently is behind it not by about
five hundred people, he said. He claims to have at least twelve peconds
of video position that proves good for the exits. He's worked into a thirty
minute documentary. The movie is called Sylvanna, a derivative of a native word
used in Tethers, British club here to describe the shadow guardians of the mountains
and the movie maker. The fact the petition will now be considered by the
government is a huge victory that standing now we're in the nation's business. People
are going to start taking you seriously. People ask me, why would you
do it? It doesn't make any sense. Of course, it makes sense
because I've really found the species. Anyone could go out and next toet these
animals and I can't allow that to transpire. He won't say where in the
Rocky Mountains he caught Bigfoot on camera. When you have a bigfoot discovery and
then with guns show up, he said, people lying to's even cheap because
it's worth millions and you find Vickfoot and become famous. The government has yet
respotted to the petition, but has forty five days from the time who's presented
to do so. That's from maximony of the endocent Sun. So apparently this
Todd standing fellow seems to be behind this. Now, your thoughts, Mike
and Jane, Well, I mean, I think anytime you can get a
government to uh, you know, to officially recognize a species like that,
and you know, if they if they do in fact the vote in favor
of what he's proposing, I think that's all always a good thing. You
know, whether the people voting on it to believe that the creature exists or
not, or whether even most of the people living there believe it or not.
You know, it's always a good thing if you can get get the
law passed and you know, possibly help persuade people that's that hunting it would
not be a wise thing if it should prove to exist, you know,
I mean, at least at least they're trying to do something to try to
protect it in some way, similar to the the local statutes that they have
in in Washington State and also in an upstate New York they have in one
county they have a law that's illegal to on these street too. So I
think if they can get the government to pass it, you know, more
power to them. Yeah, Mike, Oh, I'm sorry, James,
go ahead. It sounds like a good idea, and milet problem is that
may bring undue attention, and people who have nothing better to do may stay
exciting things like that just to get on the news or whatever. That's the
only thing I can see is there's gonna be a lot of people that shouldn't
be out there out there just to do it to you know, make fun
of it, right, And I agree with you, Yeah, Mike,
don't think did you may? Isn't there some sort of a law or wasn't
there some sort of law pass in Whitehall? And I think in that county?
Yeah, there is. There is a law on the books in the
Washington County county state in New York, Washington County where where Whitehall is,
and his old middle similar law in Washington state in one of the counties there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We actually have a question from a fellow
on paltal And that goes by the name seven run. Then can you address
the aspect of people seeing big put blowing red eyes and how you feel on
the net? Now, it's interesting Todder Partain described what the creature that that
may that he and his family saw with glowing red eyes. There's that phenomena.
God Harriet described what he saw with glowing red eyes. Well, what
do you guys think of that? But it's certainly been described in a lot
of eyewitness reports. But but you know, it's hard to say or the
eye was actually glowing or or have a reflection of some type of natural light.
Maybe the creature has a redded, dead reddish tang to the retinas that
it may just reflect light in that way. Hard to say, hey,
if it's fact glowing oil, if it's just a reflection, But many people
have many people have mentioned in their eyewitness which reports that they've seen the glowing
red eyes. Yeah, that's what I actually might be a trick in light.
Well, if it could be something I really don't know. I mean,
if thanks severing for your question though, we really appreciate it. And
again if you guys in the chat room, if you guys have any questions,
you know, type them up and we'll try and answer them best we
can. And again have the number if three, four, seven, nine,
nine, five, eight, one fourth you got to have any questions,
just call on in and that. But what about this petition, Yeah,
this petition to protect Nickfoot, Well, Metacol last year, the host
of the X Zone, he actually came up with a similar petition. Unfortunately,
it got less than one hundred and fifty THO one hundred and fifty fignatures,
so it didn't really get very much of anywhere. I mean, it
was a good symbolic, it was a good symbolic gesture, but I just
didn't really get much of anywhere unfortunately. So I mean, I guess my
question is, how can there be protection for a speche that has not been
proven to invent yet. Maybe they're just being premptive and the there are people
wandering around to make some money to shoot this thing and wind up hurting someone
else or another animal, or you know, shoot some animal that's not I'm
not saying that there's like an animal that's gonna be real close to it.
But if you see, if you got a bunch of guys hunting out there
looking for this specific creature and they know they can shoot it on site,
how many bear dear what other animals are they going to say, Oh,
I was looking for soft squatch and I hit that by accident. Make a
law. Then they can say, well, you were hunting for an endangered
specie so we got to now now, yeah, novit. Yeah, I
was just gonna say it could also be maybe meaning to spare the lives of
a few foolish people who would want to perpetrate a hope by running around in
a bigfoot soup. You know, maybe the power is a defigure If they
make it illegal to shoot at any large, upright hairy, you know,
bipedal figure, maybe they would save the lives of a few foolish poxers that
wander about in the woods in a suit trying to porpetrate a hope. Yeah,
good point, Mike. Now here's an interesting news item that Well,
first of all, I had to say, I think it's a good idea
to have protection, pre emtive protection for a species. You know, it
was because of Robert W. Morgan's efforts that the that that legislation was passing
in Comdian County, Washington in nineteen sixty nine, you know, where anybody
who was to kill a fast watch would have to pay a ten thousand dollars
fine and serve a five year jail fin. Now it's been reduced. It
was reduced in nine community four down to I think I think it's one thousand
dollars fine and like ninety days in prisoner or something like that. I don't
have it in front of me, but it was reduced still a little bit,
quite a bit in nineteen eighty four, so that particular, but the
law is still on the books, it's still there. You have to wonder,
Henry, what was the reason for them to reduce that, because that
is greatly reduced in the original statute. You know, you have to wonder
what if they went to the barder of voting and passing it and signing it
into law. You got to wonder, why would they revisit it in nineteen
eighty four, and what possible reason could there be for lowering the penalties.
You know, that would seem to be a law that they would pass and
pretty much fall but forget. You know, amongst all the myriad of other
laws that they have to probably review and passed over all the years, you
would think bigfoot law or protection law would be way down on the list of
importance. And why would they even revisit it to lower it the penalties?
It's kind of odd. I would probably check the local courthouse and see if
there was a case against someone specifically, and either they lost or judged somewhere
realized that they were using it for an alternate mean now and that's why they
reduced it. Yeah, that's actually a good question, Mike, and a
good point from James there. Well, you got a questions the chat room
from our good friend Dale Green. Question for Mike, so what for areas
are you going on? In the answer, a big Foot expedition. What
do you think you're going to find? You sedro leaves playing. All right,
Well, I know, of course I'm not gonna give you the heat
exactly emails of where we're going, because we don't want to give that away
in case some hoaxers would try to, uh you know, show up there
on it. But I say we're going to be the ad around that mountain
area there. We're going to be going this next coming weekend Friday Monday.
And how it's how it could be, uh it be interesting, it should
be you know, it would be a nice exp whether we we come away
with anything or not. Now I can say that in this area that we're
olling to has the Dagon has a history of patent activity in the past and
quite recently, and and in fact UH is also going to be joining us
a Honey expedition. It did in fact buying the ass A track, which
was one of the teple track, but I got to say only half one
just had November. I love November six, probably not for them, A
mile of silent whatever. We're gonna be set up at base camp, so
uh you know, definitely an active area and I would not be surprised.
Uhl bods will be climbing some tracks, some other sign maybe some tree breaks.
We're gonna be decloyed there with with a whole of different equipment, full
audio and video eatments, still cameras, phil can with path folet mic set
up and you name it. We're gonna have all sorts of equipment, night
vision that we're gonna be you know, we're gonna be ready for anything,
uh presented stuff. We're gonna have teams both fulk siven day and then and
uh you know, it looks like we're gonna have good time out expeditions.
We'll gets over the guys up and you might remain have have satellite. I
don't have one that faith can't mean they can't, but have several satellites tell
them of double many and I'm trying to like triangular. I know that several
of the numbers you have the as dom and Rhino five thirty twig videos which
side seeing radio or also GPS devices, and they actually will triangulate if one
person is talking to the other person on the radio, it actually gives you
an exact read out of where that guy is. You know that you're talking
to exactly backstanding. So several on the guys in our expedition will have the
gout. It will be interesting to see if anybody has any kind of activity
near them. We'll be able to know instantly exactly where they are and what
area the activity is. It should be very interesting. Wow, yeah,
that sounds great. Let's see, Well you have another question for from seven
round bf on on Ya hu Mean on paltalk. He says, I wonder
what that law referring to the law and protecting fast watch. If he wonders
with that law the imprisonment if a person can still keep the fast watched,
Bonnie, what do you guys think of that? Well, in that kind
of situation, if they've broken the law, the government probably up it.
I guarantee somebody Symare would get enough video that someone would still make or reasonable
and if it was confiscated bout like let's say, for stranger, they're gonna
tell somebody because that's that kind of thing, proof that actually existed. They
couldn't keep that, you know, low key, there'd be somebody somewhere they
go, oh my god, I know what you have now. Oh yeah.
And of course you have to be careful if someone tells you, well,
I've got a fast watched body or I've got a fast watched body part,
you know, he has to be careful that you don't get taken in.
I've read a recent example. It was in Renada Hinnden's book Well DoD
Hunter, Renaedea Hendon's book Fast Watch Bigfoot, The Search for North America's Incredible
Creature, where this guy near Bosburg, Washington, claimed at first he had
won a den one in a cane, and then he claimed he had he
had a body part in a freezer. And several parties like Renadea Hendon and
Roger Patterson and people like that, they were wanting to paint this guy,
you know, trying and he kept helping the anty, you know, and
eventually it turned out he didn't have anything, obviously, but it was it
was quite a wild use chase that Renade said he learned quite a bit from
that, you know, from from his days in Boxford. That was right
around the time that they found the cripple Foot camp. The tracks, the
cripple Foot tracks which was at one eighty nine tracks all lay in line.
So yeah, that was that was one of the largest that was one of
the largest you know line of tracks that was ever ever documented as far as
I'm worry. Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, Severn, thank
you for that question as well, thank you again. And interestingly enough,
the law that there is no law as community County was passed on April Fools
Today, nineteen sixty nine, so you know there's a bit of that's very
interesting. Thirty eight years ago on April Fool's Day that law was passed.
Yeah, you think somebody was trying to make make a little joke with the
law by passing it on ap a pool day. No, Well, here
is another interesting his item that I found is bigfoot trapsing through tobic Probably not,
but it is one ferry behind mysterious tree break times rider. This is
some Friday, a bunch of trees snapped into along the trail at Bay County,
Tobco Marsh. I think it's in Minnesota. Have some wondering if it's
the handiwork of the big foots Lynn Connley. A base of the artists can't
think, Oh, I'm sorry, Michigan, not Minnesota, Michigan. A
base of the artist can't think of what else but a hairy manlike feature or
sasquatch could have done the damage. Last month, about a quarter mile from
the parking lot or Marsh, visitors Commonly and friend Charles Robinson at Hanford say
they found a group of fifteen to twenty live popplar and oak trees and then
recently been snapped off at a height of two to ten feet. I looked
at it really carefully, said Conley, fifty two. I thought at first
it might have been a bear. There were no claw marks your snaps.
My first inclination was bigfoot. Honestly, it was so weird. The air
was eerie. It was something I can't even hardly describe. Comain and Robinson
left the trees or were getting back into their car when they heard another tree
snap. There was no wind, no read reports to snap. Mike Emmanov,
servilvisor for the Spainsy Saint Recreation Area in Bangor Toaltionship, which includes the
marsh. Said he doesn't know what going to cause the tree breaks. It's
probably a logical explanation. Evanov's sends. He said the park gets supports every
couple of years about black bears passing through the marsh, and then the story
continues, Well that's pretty much it. But uh, the problem with that
story is you tend to get a little bit romantic. It's a little bit
of a romantic type thing, you know, where somebody saying, oh the
trees not have that's bigfoot, that's done by bigfoot, when there could be
just it could be just a logical explanation. Mike, what are your thoughts?
I'm sorry, Henry, I didn't catch all of what you said there.
Well, basically that was the story about these people in Michigan finding the
trees snapped off and blaming it on Bigfoot, and I mentioned that it was
probably it was sort of a romantic thing, you know, to say,
oh, these trees are bigfoot? Did it? You know? What were
your thoughts on that? Well? I would buy for sure to just say
right off the top of your head that it was definitely you know in their
minds related to Bigfoot at activity. Yeah, I think that's that's definitely uh
out of wine. I mean, you know that there's many different different weather
phenomenon that will you know, that will snap trees, especially you know,
if you're up in the Northern States, depending on what time of year this
was, you know, you get a lot of ice storms, you get
a lot of just storms in general, you know that could damage trees,
snap trees, snow and ice. You know, of course it's in the
summertime during this occurred, then then you'd have to take away the snow and
the ice possibility. But you know there is other you know, natural occurring
phenomena that could you know, lead to to tree bakes. Now, if
the breaks were you know, just one or two trees and no other trees
in that immediate area were affected, or you know, if there was a
very definite twist, and and if the tree was twisted in such a way
that you know, it does not look like it was normal storm damage,
then you know that of course, then I would say, well, maybe
there's the possibility, but just to see some snap trees and to immediately you
know say, well, I think this was big for related. I don't
think that's that's good, that's good, you know protocol. I think you
have to really examine the area where the damage was and really basically try to
woo out any other type of occurrence that could have caused it before you could
get down to it and say, well, you know, maybe this could
have been bigfoot or TAS squad related. But I think you have to rule
the other variables out first, if you're a good investigator, good researcher.
Oh absolutely, Jane, do you have any thoughts. I think that he
hit it right on the head, you know, right on the head there.
I mean, you don't want to just say that's what it is,
because then when they prove it to bear, they prove it the weather phenomenal,
that just makes it fork bad. Well, if you jump to any
conclusion too quickly, I have so much possibility there could be something completely different.
Oh yeah, absolutely, I completely agree with that. And uh well,
speaking of weather related phenomena on our good friend Tom Buscardi was out on
expedition this past week and with interesting results. He claimed that while they were
out on expedition that their camp was torn up by an F five tornado,
which is interesting because the National Weather Service did not report any tornado warnings or
any any any tornadoes on the ground in the in Lamar County, Texas.
That's where they were in the Parents, Texas area in Lamar County around Pat
made Blake. So you have to wonder because there were straight line winds,
but no tornadoes that were reported. Matter of fact, there has been a
tornado reported in that area. Yes, it's about two thousand five I think
in that particular area. So you have to wonder about that. And well,
you know, now I'm not trying to band back the carding by well,
let's just say his expedition just wasn't that good. It didn't really produce
the results he wanted. He was filming his reality show, which was called
Capturing Bigfoote and just things just didn't go too well for him. The I'm
sorry, go ahead, you just figured that he used out as an excuse,
and you know, because he didn't get anything you really wanted to have.
Yeah, right, exactly. But apparently a group that was with him
apparently they cornered something. They think they cornered a small female. Fact Watch
and a fellow named David Holly reported that a and I'm not one to I'm
not one to to say, oh well, I'm not one to say that
they didn't that they didn't see something. I don't know what they saw.
But they saw something. I don't know what. I had no idea what
they saw. What they supposedly trapped. They said they cornered this thing,
you know, so I don't know. And they found tracks, although the
tracks looked suspiciously like well, tracks that I've seen before from certain hoaxers.
So well, I'm a little dubious of the track. I'll say that much.
Yeah, that's all I'm going to say. But now they were down
there for about three four days and basically all they got was tracked and possible
signing and that was about it. So Mike, I'm gonna turn it over
to you, and uh, let me get your uh your comment on the
on the Piscotti expedition and his finding of tracks, well just general the whole
thing, well, I mean, as you as you you know stupid pointed
out and the you know, Piscotti's expeditions, I mean, any of them,
are all of them as a whole, you can say, you know,
they they they tend to to not quite live up to their billing in
a lot of cases. Now I know, I know he has. He
has purportedly had some close up encounters. I know. I know Steve Coles
was with him in in one instance in Texas and Steve Coles, you know,
sore with his own eyes through through a feneral scope. I believe it
was they saw that was a very state area, the very area where they
were, you a fan, very Miriam So so I know, I know
he has gotten close columns to a possible preacher or at least what to say
it was. It was thoughts to be a preacher. It was it was
something of of you know, what they described as a good size or you
know, larger than human size. And uh, I know Steve Cole saw
it, and I know they had a skeptical reporter with them at the time
from some local paper down there. That was a record that was very skeptical
and he was allowed to look through the the device and he sort of shape
too. So I think that got him a little bit, you know,
a little bit more on the other side of the fence of the possibly believing.
But I mean, you know, the whole the whole fiasco with with
the with when he announced that he had the creature captured, that that kind
of turned a lot of people off to him. Now, now, granted,
he was saying that he was in fact hoax by by the people that
he was working with that told that they had in fact had the creature,
you know, in custody. So he's claiming that he was actually hoaxed by
them, which is possible. But I just think that, uh, you
know, it did a lot to tarnish his image with a lot of people,
and I think he's going to have to work very hard and probably take
quite some time to to rebuild his credibility, uh to what it was,
you know, before that incident, that for that that claimed the capture incident,
because I think that definitely did him at the service and it definitely harmed
his credibility. Do I think that the guy is a complete hoaxer? No,
I think that I think that he is out there looking, and he
certainly goes around the country. He certainly, you know, spends quite a
bit of his time traveling to different uh you know, alleged hot spots,
and and I think he really is, you know, trying to solve this
mystery. But you know, I think sometimes he becomes a little a little
too much Peaky Barham and not enough you know, not enough investigator. I
think some times he you know, he sometimes he's a little more of a
showman than than an actual researcher. But uh, I believe his intentions are
overwhelmed. But yeah, well you know, you know what they say about
good intentions. The Road to Hell has said the good intention, So well,
I completely agree with you, Mike. I do you know, you
really hit on some good points there. I completely agree. Go ahead,
well you look at you look at a lot of your you know now major
trying to think like reporters look vestigators, lad, And it's exactly what he's
saying is he's not checking into the facts. And then he's looking like Heralda,
you know, because he's not given enough for the information initially to say,
you know what, I need to know more about this because put it
on TV before I say, like thinking and if he you know, he
does his reputation. Oh yeah, James, I agree with you. No,
I'm very reticent to call the man the hoaxer. You know, I
will not sit here and say the man is a hoaxer because I don't know
the thing he is. He never been caught hoaxing. He's been caught,
you know, stretching the truth a little bit, you know. That's about
all I'll say about that. He's been caught stretching the truth of you times,
but the cover is actual hoaxing. No, No, he's never been
caught doing that, saying, very reticent to call anybody a hoaxer at this
point, as long as I don't feel comfortable of saying someone's a hoaxer unless
I know for sure they are. That's what I'm saying. You know,
I'm not trying to and I'm not saying that he's not doing a good thing,
you know, because yes, at least he's getting out there. It
could be done better. I'll just say that it could be done better.
It makes it harder for him to, you know, the next big thing
he has for people to take it serious when he has. The last bake
thing was look like a hoax and it wasn't. And maybe it wasn't his
fault. Maybe he got that information or maybe he believed in it just a
little too much and said we're gonna run with us because it seems great.
But I didn't really check into it. And that's that's where his downfall is,
is not checking his facts again and again, you know, because every
time he puts out one of these reports, it just makes him look worse.
Yeah. Yeah, I tend to engrave with that. Mike. Well,
he think, well, like you said, I'm not about to imply
anybody as a hoaxer without definite, concrete proofs. I just wouldn't do that.
I think he is trying to do in his mind what what what he
feels is is uh, you know, important research. And I think he
is out there making the attempts to make some type of discovery. I mean,
if you look at it this way and think in these terms, you
know, a hoaxer does not have to travel around the country, visiting many
different state spending a lot of his own money out of pocket from what I
understand, going all these different places. I mean, let's face it,
if he wanted to hoax something, all you have to do is go into
the woods one time, maybe twice. You know, he wanted to do
two hoaxes, you know, one one in the early part of the year
and one the later part. You know, you wouldn't have to be out
there practically almost every month. It seems like he'd go in someplace. You
know, why would you have to travel all around and uh and be bothered
it. You know, anybody can just go out once and uh and claim
a hoax. You know, you don't have to keep constantly going out.
And it seems like he does travel around quite a bit, and he he
does hook up with other researchers. Like I said, I mentioned Steve Couls
but there's another's he does try to network himself with other legitimate researcher. So,
you know, I feel the guy is you know, he's definitely trying
to uh do the right thing. But as as James said, I think
he might have been led stray by other people. He might have been fed
some false information or not bought at double check, which of course is his
own you know fault. I mean, he should have double checked all his
facts and stuff before he goes and makes that kind of an announcement. But
you know, maybe he was pulled up in the heat of a moment or
what have you, but it certainly can't a shadow of doubt on him,
and you know it damaged to you know, he did himself and in a
way, he damaged his own credibility, and uh, you know, I
think it's gonna take quite a while of a really good, solid research efforts.
And maybe this is why he's trying to network with other legitimate researchers,
because maybe he feels that this will, you know, help but improve his
image once again, to get out there in the field with a lot of
other legitimate research. I mean, I'm just guessing it. It's just a
wild gat to the high part. But you know, maybe he feels it's
some type of damage control. But I think the guy is trying to get
out there. He's making the effort to be in the field. I mean,
you know, to me, if you're gonna if you're gonna be a
hoax, or you don't have to travel all around the country and go to
all this trouble. You know what I'm saying, you can holax right in
your backyard, so to speak, at my what's anyway? Oh yeah,
yeah, I agree with you on that, Mike. Okay. The phone
number is three four seven nine nine six five eight four. You guys,
any questions, comments, whatever, call on in and I can belavely agree
with you. What kills the scarney is you know? Number one? He
hands the association with Divan Marx. And we know that Ivan Marx have produced
several hope films, some of the most ridiculous looking films and then in photographs
that I've ever seen, you know, But yet the Scarty counts them as
real. And that hurts his credibility too, the fact that he counts these
things it's real. The problem is that the you know, we know,
we know, we in the Bigfoot community know these things are hopes. But
your average person out there in the you know, Joe Blow, they don't
know that much about the Scarty. They don't know about Ivan Martz. You
know, they see this bigfoot in Vincent. They say they've had a fighting.
Let's just you know, assume they've had a fighting. You know.
Well, they figure, well, we don't have anyone else to report it
to. Just let's report it to this guy. You know. This is
the guy who's pretty much visitable and out there. You know, we don't
see guys like John Green or m. K. Davis or Sean Parker or
Henry may or Mike Killing, you know, promoting themselves. We see this
Tom mc carty. So let's tell him about our siding, you know,
and and what happens is they tell him and he he has the investigation of
a siding. The problem is though he believes just about anything that you're telling.
That's his whole problem, you know. And that's not a reflection on
him. It's just that that's the whole thing. He believes anything that somebody
tells him, and that's what happened. It's over romanticism. I think our
good friend Severn run Bs mets that in the chat room there. It's not
so much hosting, you know, it's it's over romanticism. You know,
this GUARDI tends to just believe anything that he told. Yeah, and you
can't have that blind safe and be a scientist at the same time. Yeah,
that's very true, Jane, Mike, did you have any follow up?
No, not really. I don't think I'll leave that alone. I
don't really have any doctive comments on that. I wanted to mention that recently,
our good friend Eric Altman and our other good friend ranger Jim Cassy gave
a presentation recently. And where was that, Mike, Indiana. Yeah,
I believe, yeah, they were quoting. There was a story on them
in the Indiana Gazette. I believe it was right. Yeah, I thought
that was very interesting. You know that Eric, Eric and Tim have both
been on the show before, and they gave a presentation on a fast Watch.
And of course Eric is from Pennsylvania and he's a president of Veslvania Victims
Society. Tim is an independent researcher from the state of Maine, and they
are both members of the ABM, and they were great to see them get
that exposure and give that publicity. You know, I hope that that publicity
will result in people wanting to report signing and in things to them, you
know, rather than to discovery. He would, you know, sort of
he was sort of bringing a circus at sphere to it, you know.
And again, if not a reflection on him, it's just that that's what
it tends to be. I mean you I imagine you guys would agree with
that. Yeah, well, it certainly has name recognition. I'll give him
that much, as with some other people that have name recognition, some other
high profile guys, but not everybody has name recognition in the best possible way,
if you know what I mean that some individuals that have name recognition that
doesn't necessarily do them do them the best service let's say I give you a
perfect example. My name's James Baker, you know, with some people of
that name that you know because there were second Terry of States and other people
because they went to jail. I'd rather go to secretary of State. Yeah,
that's that yuilp by association, name association, you know, things like
that. But you got to take that with the good I guess when it
comes to that kind of thing. But yeah, I'm just starting down.
I'll say this, he does get out there, he does get out there,
you know, and he does investigate. I'll say that much for him,
you know, And I mean that's a positive thing, you know,
it's it's a rare thing to have someone who's actually investigating. Now, where
where I draw the line is when he starts saying, uh, well,
when members of his group start talking about how nine eighty percent of us don't
do anything and there's only the two percent to get out there and actually do
something. You know, that I draw the line on. And I really,
I really that's it kind of offends me. It kind of offends me.
Even though I'm not a field guy. It doesn't offend me because you
know, hey, the armchair guys just as important. We do just as
much important works as the U as the as the field guys. You know,
and hey, it don't work for the it don't work for the armchair
guys. The field guys wouldn't have the information they need out there. You
know, if you know what I'm saying, I mean, Mike and James,
would you agree that the armchair guys are just as important pronounced as a
field guys. But I feel like Henry, like you know, you can't
have one without the other. It's absolutely imperative that you have both types of
researches involved. Otherwise, you know, we're never going to solve this mystery.
Can't strictly just do field research without doing your your homework, so to
speak, at home or online or however you do it. But you know
there's plenty of research to be done all out of field that you know that
is is very important to that. I don't think you can do one without
the other. I think you have to have both together to get the whole
picture. And I think that the armchair guy, you know, his analyzing
the field day that actually helps the field guy because the simple fact is is
they may put them in a whole new direction. Because the guy at the
field said, you know what, I did this really well. But the
guy at home says, you know what, he did this really well.
But if you would have gotten this little piece extra, which I probably would
have been around there, you would have you would have gotten that extra piece
that we needed. And then the next time he goes out, he goes
looking for that then and finds it. It works still one step closer.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that, Jans differently, Yes,
I can really agree with you on that. And another thing, another
thing to keep in mind, Henry's a lot of researchers are bolt. You
know, a lot of researchers that that do go into the field do spend
a fair amount of time doing what's you know, common and returned to his
armchair research. I mean, you know, I know for myself, I'm
one of them that, you know, when I'm not in the field,
I'm on the computer, really, you know, searching for any kind of
data that I can find. And you know, I'm in the process of
building my own personal database. I have collected the information on over two hundred
citing reports or encounters in New York State. I have over sixty something in
New Jersey, and I'm now in the process of starting to build a a
Pennsylvania and counters database. So, you know, I think there's a lot
of people that forss over those lins and do both, which you know,
obviously is great because you're you're you're you know, you're helping folk. You
know, both ways, you're doing field research and you're doing the armshair,
which of courtse is very important as well. Oh yeah, I think they
go hand in hand. You know that, that's kind I look at it.
I believe that the armchair and the field research go hand in hand.
You know, I don't do much field research anymore because of geographical location.
There's just not a whole lot of acivity going on around here. And also,
you know, my family needs me around here too, you know,
to help out with things around the house. So you know, it's besides,
I really don't I don't have my own transportation anyway, I don't have
my own vehicle, so I'm unable to you know, go in a moment
to know this to investiate some some something thirty miles or forty miles away.
So yeah, well, certainly I'll say field research is not for everyone.
You know, field research is quite demanding. You know, it's demanding of
your of your free time, it's demanding of of of you physically, you
know, to get out there and sometimes hype for miles and miles you know,
in your search for clues. It's demanding, you know, mentally,
physically, you know, financially. You know, it's not for everybody.
It's it's you know, you really have to have the wherewithal and the and
the determination to uh to stick with field research because it's it's not such an
easy road. It does. It does require a lot of a lot of
your your your resources, your your your money, your your time, your
you know, your effort, and it's just not for everyone. But you
know, thank goodness, we do have some people that that do get out
there in the field because you need both. You do need armchair research as
well as field research. And if it wasn't for those guys that did get
out there, there would be a lot of things that we don't know about
and vice versa. You know, the armchair is also important research, but
you know, you need people need to understand it. It's it's not so
easy to get out there and to do field research and certainly. Uh,
if you really get involved with it, you really want to try to uh,
you know, you want to make an effort to be you know,
fairly regular field researcher. It's you know, it's not such an easy thing.
You can't go out, you know, just one time and consider itself
field research. You have to go out time and time again. And you
know the kind of research is, you know, ninety nine percent walk if
you find any evidence at all, and one percent guesswork on where you might
find it. So it's you know, it requires many, many, many
trips out into the field over and over and over again to really try to
come up with any kind of shred of good you know, physical evidence,
Oh, absolutely absolutely, And field work can be very exhausting, you know,
some you know, I would imagine that when when the field guys come
back, I imagine they are absolutely exhausted, just just tired, sore,
you know, wanting to take a shower, wanting to sleep for about two
or three days. I can imagine that it's very tiring on the on the
field researcher, you know, but God bless you guys, you know,
the guys who get out there and really do the grut work. They really
do the grut work, you know, And I tell you, I command
you guys, go ahead, James, I think that wasn't me. That
was yeah, that was me. I mean, I was just going to
say that. Yeah, I can personally attest the you know that I've been
on, you know, several expeditions, quite a few, and I can
tell you that, you know, it does. It does take a toll
on you, especially when you're trying to do the night ops, you know,
when you're trying to do the night takeouts. There's been many expeditions where
I've been on a you know, weekend expedition and probably got a total of
four hours or five hours sleep over two days. So when you're trying to
stay up all night and then look for clues all day in the daylight,
it can be quite quite a toll. It takes on you. By Sunday
when we're ready to leave, you know, I'm eager to get out of
the woods and get home and get a hot hour and get into bed,
that's for sure. Yeah, Yeah, definitely mind And I understand yeah,
well, yeah, you already mentioned earlier about your expedition coming up next weekend.
I understand mister Coles is going to try and join you guys. Absolutely,
he's not going to try. He's a definite. Let's looking catastrophic comes
up in the next few days. He's a confirmed, definitely going to be
there. And you know we're going to have a good group. It looks
like this weekend. You know, in the past we haven't quite had the
numbers of people that we had hoped for. A lot of people had said
they were going to go, and then you know, the league or two
before you start getting all this. One can't make it that and we can't
make it. You know, things happen in life. We understand as researchers,
we're doing this all on our free time, and you know family comes
first and other obligations. But you know, as as it turns out,
so far, I have not heard from a single person yet that's backed out.
And you know, we're leaving this this next Friday morning, so I
think we're going to have to put suize group this time. This will be
great because the more guys in the Warriors we have out there in the it's
on the mountains and the hills at the valley's looking the better. Well,
make sure if you have a website or anything that you will post what you
guys find over the trip. Yeah, we absolutely do. We have a
form and then we also have a main website, and we will be posting
the findings on both of those. Website address is www dot Nestra dot net
last jupole d r u p a L, and we will definitely be posting
findings there. We also have a forum, which I'm not quite sure.
I think it's simply a nestraform dot net. I believe we've changed it,
and I always get confused between the old address and the new. But yeah,
but in any event, if you do, if you do a Google
search for Netra forum or just Netra in general, it will show up.
You'll you'll definitely get some other things. Funny enough, there's there's an organization
called the Northeast Nomobile Racing Association which also is NAT for the initials, so
that will come up on searches. But if you do a search, you'll
definitely find us. But the main website is NASA dot net, flash stupil
d r u p a O, and we will definitely be posting whatever finding
we have on there, as well as discussing and the very next night that
we come back, Monday night on Steve Cole Show, will be the guest
several of us, and we'll be talking all about our expedition, fresh fresh
from the field the day it's the next day. Yes, okay, guys,
I'm gonna go ahead and wrap it up, getting post of time.
So our guest next what do you? Will hopefully be international big for Society.
President Ray Crow and Steve Coles will have tomorrow night Doctor Hitter Theirrenbach.
So James Michael, thank you guys for being on tonight, and Mike thanks
for Sean bl oh absolutely, Henry glad to glad to do it. Yep.
And until next week y'all be good or be good. Then it has
been the Fastlog experience.