WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:04.519 It's the land that time forgot. We forgot about it, they forgot about 2 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:08.640 us, and they carried on like time stood still. We take a journey 3 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:13.480 back to the eighteen twenties, and we don't just see eighteen twenties attitudes. 4 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:19.120 We see seventeen twenties attitudes, and we go even further back as we explore 5 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:24.079 colonialism twenty twenty four with Infidel sixty four, Thank you Phebe. For centuries, 6 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:30.000 Indigenous people have faced relentless oppression and erasure of their cultural practices, often 7 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:35.439 justified by the white supremacist nature of colonization and Christianity. Historical policies sought to 8 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:42.479 suppress Native American rituals and impose a Eurocentric worldview, framing Indigenous traditions as primitive 9 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:48.600 or even sinful. This enduring legacy of discrimination and cultural genocide continues today as 10 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:55.159 Indigenous communities struggle to preserve their heritage against systemic forces aiming to literate it. 11 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:59.799 As we delve into this stark reality, buckle up. We're heading into a 12 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.920 mind said more suitable for the eighteen twenties, not today. This story is 13 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:10.560 from The Guardian by Nicole Ockerin on June twenty fourth twenty twenty four. So 14 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:17.280 does no one here since the hypocrisy of this article of a group of Christians 15 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:21.239 turning around and saying that all these ceremonies that they're doing are you know, 16 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:29.359 blasphemous and devil worship and all when the Lutherans himself are engaged in ceremonies and 17 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:34.400 all the kind manners of things, and the hypocrisy of this just stinks. 18 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:41.159 It's my ceremony is not yours. It's my way or the highway. It's 19 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:48.640 Chrysto fascism on steroids. It's it's Andrew Jackson, and you know, his 20 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.439 Marge of tears coming all back again. He was such a wonderful man, 21 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.519 Andrew Jackson. He was such a wonderful president. But anyway, I digress 22 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.640 from my dislike of Andrew Jackson as President of the United States, and I 23 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:08.439 just have to ask, who the fuck are these school administrators to say what 24 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:14.479 the fuck somebody does when they're not in school. Yeah, yeah, that's 25 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:19.280 insane. I think I grew up uber excuse me, uber religious here in 26 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:23.960 the here in the South, you know, and you're conditioned to tell everybody 27 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.879 what the fuck to do, and you tell them what to do no matter 28 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:30.000 where they're at. I had to pull my kid from school, actually from 29 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.080 public school, and I hate this because we you know, we recently did 30 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:36.719 an episode on the issue with private schools here in Texas. Sadly, I 31 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:42.719 had to pull my child from public school because it is so saturated with religio 32 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:47.280 fascisty bullshit that when my kid told their peers that they don't believe in a 33 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:53.319 god, that evolution is a fact, and that you know, and that 34 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.919 they're you know, they they're queer, they were labeled a Satanist. They 35 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.560 were told they were a devil worshiper, they were told that they love the 36 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:06.199 devil and respect the devil, and it got to the point to where they 37 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:09.240 were getting physically attacked, death threats, were being told they were going to 38 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:15.159 get jumped. School administrators knew about it and did nothing. So now it's 39 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:20.280 sad because generally people go to private schools for them to be kind of inundated 40 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.960 with like a religious structure. We had to find a private school that was 41 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:29.039 very progressive and that is very open to people and things like you know, 42 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:35.240 women's rights, civil rights, access to abortion, queer people, trans people, 43 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.479 all the boxes that we all check. So I think it's disgusting, 44 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:43.439 but it's also par for the course. I guess I'm just used to it. 45 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.400 It's no different than what we're used to every day. So the idea 46 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:52.159 that these people can like overreach into people's outside personal lives is no different than 47 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.120 the sodomy laws we used to have here in Texas, Like, who the 48 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.919 fuck are you to tell me what I can stick inside of wear or do 49 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:02.479 whatever? That's insane. I'm not harming anybody. It also has this paternalistic 50 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:11.520 bullshit where they have inserted themselves as loco parents in all aspects of these children's 51 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:16.160 lives because they know best, and how dare you question this? So these 52 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.360 are Indian reservations. I use the term Indian here not as a slur, 53 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:26.040 but because that is the term that is used legally. It's the Department of 54 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.560 Indian Affairs, so I will continue to use that. If there are strong 55 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:34.240 objections to that, please email below. But as someone who uses that term 56 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.560 in a legal context, I will use it in this context. It is 57 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:43.519 not designed as a slur. So the Bureau of Indian Affairs do run schools 58 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:49.800 for what is native Indian tribal land in America. And this is something that 59 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:56.680 is a bit of an odd situation here because missionaries and everything moved onto these 60 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:02.360 lads to quote civilize the tribes that were here before they were The Doors Act, 61 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:08.319 for example, drives through Dibaker wagons, live in houses and drink whisky 62 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:13.199 and whiskey was really great for the culture there because it made everyone alcoholic in 63 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.920 the end. And what amazes me is that these church run school believe they 64 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:24.600 have a right to indoctrinate over the other religions that are there. On this 65 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.240 show, we talk about religious freedom, we talk about religious tolerance. We're 66 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:32.600 not just atheism here. If you don't like someone else's religion, you are 67 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:38.279 slitting your own throat for your own religion. If you suppress that religion, 68 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:43.360 simply turning around and saying we want to eliminate that religion, give someone else 69 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.519 the right to turn around to you and say they have the right to eliminate 70 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:53.600 your religion. And the way that the Indian tribes were treated historically in America 71 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:59.480 was disgusting, betrayal of tears, the ignoring of treaty after treaty after treaty, 72 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.079 just so that they could be leveled by Pioneers Manifest. Guest, what 73 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:10.120 it was was manifest Jeenosong. I recently finished the book Blood Meridian, and 74 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.920 it just can't help but remind me of that book. You know, Cormick 75 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.600 McCarthy really painted a good picture. I say good, painted a very vivid 76 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:23.279 picture of what we did, and this is just another extension of that. 77 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.199 You know, I'm sorry, I fidel, I didn't mean to cut you 78 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.120 off, but that was what this, what what Phoebe was saying made me 79 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.800 think of that. It's just we're continuing the same elimination of culture, but 80 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:38.959 in a much more subversive, much more implicit type of way, and in 81 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:44.079 a way that we've accepted as a society. We have accepted the authority of 82 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:48.560 Christians. So Christians, you look at We're having a conversation earlier about Ted 83 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:51.879 Bundy. You know, people like Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. I 84 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.720 always bring it up. I don't why I was talking about these guys on 85 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:56.959 these podcasts. Yeah, and I bring this up every time, the way 86 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:01.240 they were well. But there's a reason I bring a Dahmer. But I 87 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.199 will in a second. The reason I bring in those two guys is begin 88 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:08.680 Dennis Rader. I always bring up these three guys for whatever reason, because 89 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.319 they were able to use their standing in the church to hide and plain sight. 90 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.319 We automatically grant a moral authority to somebody who's Christian because we have been 91 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:23.120 inculcated to think that way in respectation. Yes, yes, exactly so in 92 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:28.439 this situation, the reason nobody's like screaming about it and breaking down doors and 93 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.560 is because it's accepted. I don't know, infidel, I mean to cut 94 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.240 you off, man, I'll throw it to you, no worries. But 95 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.279 you know, one thing I wanted to say is that you Phoebe was talking 96 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:42.120 about the hypocrisy of them talking about these pagan rituals. The reality is is 97 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:49.680 that Christianity is filled with rituals that they stole from older culturals that are pagan. 98 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:53.879 Yeah, man, she's a they literally, I mean, Christmas, 99 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.720 when you look at it, is loaded with pagan imagery, as most of 100 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.959 the other holidays are. And you know, when you look at this case 101 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:05.240 in particular, you know, you look at the situation of how these people 102 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.120 in the Lutheran Church here are talking about pagan worship and demonizing these children for 103 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.800 what they've done. You know, it goes even further than that, because 104 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.120 you know there are people. There was one case for one woman, her 105 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.639 children were not allowed to return to the school the next year because she was 106 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:30.160 involved in some type of indigenous ritual. So they did they children, Yes, 107 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.200 they penalized the children for this. One of the other kids, one 108 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.480 of the ones that's in this group of three who were who got in trouble 109 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.080 for this particular sunrise dance in the first place, they did a project and 110 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:46.000 they had the White Mountain Apache crest on it and she got an f for 111 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.080 depicting pagan worship. So this, I do think though, that we are 112 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:56.200 seeing an example of, as Jason mentioned, the normalcy of Christianity being the 113 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.159 dominant religion make this even worse. You know, we're putting the Ten Commandments 114 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.600 in schools in Louisiana and other states, and because that's normal, that's what 115 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.240 we're supposed to do. One of the people who one of the co sponsors 116 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.639 made the comment when they ask about what about children who aren't Christian, They're 117 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.440 like, well, just don't look at it. And so that is, 118 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.840 you know, that is a dismissive attitude that we're seeing here because these people. 119 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:26.480 They actually think that they are reaching out and saving these poor and hate 120 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.320 to say it this way, but it's what they're acting like. We're we're 121 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.240 going to save the savage. We're going to get the savage out of them, 122 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.759 and we're going to make them good, proper white people. Because that's 123 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.360 what it comes across. Because at the end of the day, you mentioned 124 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.840 it being out of school. They that's what they want. They don't want 125 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.000 to change you in school. They don't want to make you be something they 126 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.399 want you to be in school. They want to change who you are. 127 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.480 And that is what we see time and time again with Christianity being a dominant 128 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.720 force. It's not enough to make you smile and go along and go at 129 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.440 the flow while you're here in front of us, but they want to change 130 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.440 the way you think, the way you behave, and literally who you are 131 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:11.799 as a person. It's a subjugation of will. That's the thing. Yes, 132 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:18.120 Christianity at its core is a religion where you sacrifice your own will, 133 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.279 your own desires, your own preferences, the things that make you tick as 134 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.679 a human being. And what they're seeing with these children and with this community 135 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:33.840 are people who are exercising their will, devoid of these pieces of crap telling 136 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.039 them what to do, and they can't have it. And it's it's disgusting 137 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.440 because they would rather have these children out of school. They would rather have 138 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.120 these people uneducated. They would rather penalize them and punish them for not falling 139 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:54.200 in line others rather than edify them and help them become strong. See see 140 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.080 the extremes is the other possible to look at Afghanistan where women do not get 141 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:03.759 a secondary or higher education because they want to keep them in line, yep. 142 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.759 And the easiest way to do that is to keep people ignorant they want. 143 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:13.159 These Lutheran church schools are the tip of the iceberg of white acculturation of 144 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:20.799 American Indian tribes. It has been going on so long that it has become 145 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:31.200 normal in American legal, cultural, and other aspects of society. Because when 146 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.600 Britain turned up, when the Dutch turned up, they generally didn't give the 147 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.879 monkeys about the natives. They were just like, fine, we'll leave you 148 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:41.440 over there. I mean, just look at the war at the Battle of 149 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.960 River Raisin, when you had the British on the same side as the tribes, 150 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.159 and you had the French on the same side as the Americans, the 151 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.279 British and the Dutch who turned up were not the issues. It was those 152 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:00.840 with the religious vent that decided that manifest destiny was the way forwards, and 153 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:03.639 manifest destiny was what was going to be done, and we were going to 154 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.600 manifest it across this whole continent, from ocean to ocean, and it didn't 155 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.440 matter who got in our way, because those pioneers they had that land and 156 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.879 it was their land, and didn't matter who was there to start with. 157 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:22.240 And it's exactly the same nonsense today with the sovereignty of the tribes being under 158 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.159 mind again and again and again. Because these churches have been there for a 159 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:31.440 while, and because the Bureau of Indian Affairs schools are seen as not being 160 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:37.279 of the high enough quality. That screams that they're getting away with things they 161 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.559 really shouldn't be getting away with and it shouldn't be allowed. And it tells 162 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:46.879 you the level that the Department of Interior gives to the Bureau of Indian Affairs 163 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.919 and the Bureau of Indian in Affairs, Department of Education, that is what 164 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.000 he's looking at. You shouldn't be having a separate Department of Education just because 165 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.879 they're children of Native Americans Indian tribe. You shouldn't be having that. It 166 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:07.399 should be one unified education system across the country. You shouldn't be having this 167 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:13.440 three tier education system. And you have these top tier schools that hoover up 168 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.559 all of the money, these schools that are infiltrated by Ryan Walters and co. 169 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:22.360 And then you have these other schools that are Bureau of Indian Affairs, 170 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:24.000 who is seen to be at the very bottom of their heat. No, 171 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.039 well, I agree, because what we're seeing is a separate but equal We're 172 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.559 seeing blacks and whites only still. And what happens is, and this really 173 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.759 stood out to me, is that if you keep people poor and ignorant and 174 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:41.639 uneducated and more or less ostracized, you're creating stigma. Stigma is a self 175 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:46.480 perpetuating psychological state after a while, and you keep perpetuating that stigma. And 176 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:52.200 if people are marginalized and they're treated as others, they're seen not as humans. 177 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.399 You can't help, but you can't help but see it that way. 178 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.440 They're dehumanized. We don't just see it when it comes to this group. 179 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:05.159 We see with every other group that isn't point sys gendered heteronormality of certain kind 180 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.559 of correct Christian Yes, No, I agree, I do, absolutely, 181 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.639 Yeah, I know I know if it'll see it in Louisiana and in moving 182 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.080 to Texas. I know you've seen it. I've seen it growing up too. 183 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.799 It's it's and you know, and I think that in the last fifteen 184 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:22.840 twenty years it's gotten a lot worse. In the last four years, it's 185 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:24.720 gotten a lot worse. And when you look at people you mentioned Phoebe, 186 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:30.679 you mentioned Ryan Walters in Oklahoma, that is part of the problem because they're 187 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:35.000 they're openly what they used to say and try to, you know, skim 188 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.759 along the edge to sneak in what they want to sneak in. Now they're 189 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.039 openly saying it. I mean Ryan Walters is saying, hey, let's we're 190 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.480 going to put the Bible in every class. We're going to make sure the 191 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.399 Bible's taught everywhere, that the Bible is the standard that we're going to do 192 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:54.240 everything by. So when you have this even happen. No, I mean 193 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.000 that, and of course version of the King that same version, the Catholic 194 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:03.799 version, which version, But see that that's the problem and That's one thing 195 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.720 that a lot of Christians don't understand is that when they hear this, they 196 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:09.519 go, yeah, they get on board. You know, all those school 197 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.279 shootings, shootings happen after we got took prayer out of the schools, and 198 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:18.840 they make up all these nonsensical things that in their heads sounds good inside of 199 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.799 their echo chamber. But what most often they forget is that ultimately, when 200 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:28.399 the Christians come into power, and we do have a theocracy in this country, 201 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:33.320 who decides who's Christian enough? Because we saw three hundred years of war 202 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.639 in Europe where everyone decided, well, it's us, and no, it's 203 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.200 not you, it's me, And then that sectarian violence is something we're going 204 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:46.480 to cry out loud, Yes, we're going to see that brought back if 205 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.519 we're not careful. Right now, what we're seeing is just the continuation and 206 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:56.240 an escalation of what's been going on for hundreds of years in the native community. 207 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.000 But we also should be able to look at that and say, you 208 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:03.000 know what, that's the canary. That's the canary that should be telling us 209 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:08.399 that this problem is getting emboldened and these people are getting worse and worse because 210 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.440 they are more and more convinced that they're right. And not only are they 211 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.600 more convinced they're right, but while they used to be on the fringe, 212 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.480 and they used to be on the outside, and they used to be just 213 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.120 trying to work in there with let's do creation is of okay, one intelligent 214 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.879 design, and they were trying to inch their way in. Now they're saying, 215 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:29.000 you know what, forget all that, let's just bring the Bible in, 216 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.360 let's just bring in this, and let's just be open about it. 217 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:36.320 So when we're seeing this in mainstream education, you can forget it on the 218 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:40.159 people that they don't give a shit about anyway. Let's be honest, they 219 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.559 don't give a damn about people of color, they don't give a damn about 220 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:48.399 the indigenous people in this country. They that you mentioned a third class educational 221 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.240 system, well they don't give a shit about it. So if we're going 222 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.480 to yes, and so if we're going to amp up Christianity, because like 223 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.360 some of these parents said, you know, we sent our kids to these 224 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.440 schools because it gives them a better opportunity, and so that is a poor 225 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.920 reflection on their original options of schools. But there you go, yes and 226 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.720 yes, and when you see that, and they're going to this and dealing 227 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.039 with this, continuing to deal with this, because this is not a new 228 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.680 problem. It's only going to get worse, and it's only going to be 229 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.680 greater numbers of people. You know, and the Christians themselves, like you 230 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.279 mentioned to Jehovah Witnesses or the Latter day Saints are the group that I was 231 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.160 secked, I was raised in. They should be paying attention because if they 232 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.160 were, they'd realize that one day you're going to be on the out and 233 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.960 you're going to be the ones that are pagans, You're going to be the 234 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.079 thems, You're going to be the one that's othered. It's like the TV 235 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.000 show and the book The Handmaid, and it's supposed to be a work of 236 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:51.200 fiction. Worryingly, it is getting closer and closer to being a premonition of 237 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:57.200 reality. There are religions there that are so extreme when it was written that 238 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:02.400 it was deemed to be landish could be got away with. If you wrote 239 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.200 that book today and you released it, it would be too close to the 240 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.839 bone to be able to be released in the way that it was without it 241 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:18.839 causing consternation and Controversy of the Wazoo because it envisages the United States of America 242 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:27.599 evolving into a unitary theocracy where a certain sect of a sect of Christianity at 243 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:40.400 its most extreme literalist interpretation runs America and every other sect of Christianity Islam, 244 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:45.440 Judaism, atheism, paganism is all off by the wayside. It's all in 245 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.400 the bin. And there's a scene in the TV show of the judicial system 246 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:53.519 in the Republic of Gilia, which is the country that takes over the United 247 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:57.640 States, and they have these two women who have had an affair with each 248 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.839 other and they don't get an offense. And the only evidence entered in is 249 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.960 they read our passage from the Bible, and the judge says, do you 250 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:10.160 swear on the Bible? It's true. Yes, they're convicted. Hang her, 251 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.160 put her back over there. That is not a reality I ever want 252 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.720 to live in, and you shouldn't want to live in it either. And 253 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.519 if you don't want to live in that reality, tell us in the comments below.