WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:05.679 The Carpentry Show with Robin Clever and Festal A passion for high quality power tools 2 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:10.759 for over ninety five years. Discover the full innovative eighteen volt cordless range at 3 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:18.320 Festal dot co dot uk. Festal with you every day. Welcome to the 4 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:22.640 Carpentry Show with Festal on Fix Radio. I'm Robin Clevert with you for the 5 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:26.839 next hour. In the coming weeks and months of twenty twenty four, I'm 6 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:30.960 going to look at specialisms in our trade in more detail. I'll look into 7 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:34.399 the aspects of the trade that some of us have chosen to focus on and 8 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:38.880 had great success building a business around. We're going to have a first look 9 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:43.240 at timber roofing and structural carpentry, something which is really close to me with 10 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:48.719 my guest Jason Joyced, a timber roof specialist with a growing social media following. 11 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:53.000 So this week I've actually got something really interesting happening. You often hear 12 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:57.159 me talk about my previous week, but this week I am going up to 13 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.920 Skill Build. Now. Skill Build is a competition which starts off regionally and 14 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:06.439 it sort of ends with a big final competition. Now, this is a 15 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:10.799 coming together of apprentices and crafts people, young crafts people from all over the 16 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:15.200 country, all different colleges and in ten categories. So we've got everything from 17 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.280 brick lay and carpentry, joinery. We've even got stone masonry and stuff like 18 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.359 that, and it is an amazing opportunity for these young people to actually compete 19 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:27.200 and showcase their skills. This is going to be in Milton Keynes, and 20 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:36.079 I've been invited by CB and Construction Skills to actually be there and take part, 21 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:38.239 if you like, I'm going to see what's going on. Obviously I 22 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.599 won't be able to interfere with the competitors, but we're also going to be 23 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:46.319 doing an award ceremony on the Thursday evening where we actually give out the prizes 24 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:52.200 to the winners. So I actually think that these initiatives are so important for 25 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:56.879 confidence, for confidence not just for the young people, but confidence in our 26 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:01.239 industry, confidence in the future skills people who will be taking my place and 27 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:06.799 your places as well, and building the homes and repairing the schools of the 28 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.520 future. So I'm really really looking forward to that. Hopefully I'll be able 29 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.800 to give you some of this sort of information that I find out there or 30 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:21.840 things I see in future shows fixed radio time to crack on, I'm Robin 31 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:27.280 Clever and joining me to discuss specializing in timber roof construction is Jason Joyce from 32 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:30.680 Essex. Jason, So, first of all, tell us a bit about 33 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:34.759 your business. Okay, we're all around carpenters, but we specialize in timber 34 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.840 roofs. I like to see tim playing builds excellent. Okay, So and 35 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.439 whereabouts are you? Where about are you working? We're based in Essex, 36 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:46.800 but we tend to travel all over really between Essex Stuffolk, Kent's kind of 37 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:53.000 venture out into East Sussex area and Cambridge. So okay, so who else 38 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:55.479 have you brought into your business and what does that enable you to do? 39 00:02:55.520 --> 00:03:00.000 Work wise? So have you got other people with you? Subby's or employee? 40 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.159 How we work is there's four of us, so we try and keep 41 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.599 it into small team and a lot of our rooms are big enough all four 42 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:09.879 of us. But what we try and do is get double booked, so 43 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:13.560 if anything falls through, we can all jump on the roof. And if 44 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.319 we double booked and we need to split into two teams, then we can 45 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:17.879 pull in as and when we need. So we have a couple of people 46 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.520 at a part time and that just works well for us. We try and 47 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.120 keep it like that. Yeah, that's a really good idea because quite often, 48 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.199 you know, you get people screaming at us saying we need you next 49 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.719 week, we need you next week. And then next week comes and you're 50 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:30.479 ready to go and they say no, the brick layer has not got the 51 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:35.719 plates on or something like that. And so by having that double book situation, 52 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.639 you're right, you can spread a bit thin, or you can all 53 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.800 hammer into something to excuse the carpentry punt. All right, you can all 54 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.520 just get you can all just get stuck into it. And so tell us 55 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.639 a little bit about the structures that you sort of complete. Well, starting 56 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.240 to get the reputation for the HANDCUF roots and specialize in that it's sort of 57 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.759 it's open doors. Were the first ones in. So we get the opportunity 58 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.919 to do more if we choose to. But a lot of people, we 59 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.400 get a lot of people that want to do like self build and I say, 60 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:04.599 look, will you come in and do the structure side. We're not 61 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:09.960 I feel confident I'm doing it. Some people developers and builders, and that's 62 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.400 that's basically that really, So we do the structure side, get them in 63 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.079 a dry it's quite rewarding. And then once we've got to that stage and 64 00:04:15.160 --> 00:04:18.759 then the peace of mind, they can do it at their leisure. There's 65 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.680 a good section of build to do first really. Yeah, and you mentioned 66 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:25.680 something there about the fact that once you much you get called in to do 67 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.279 the first fix. Let's say they get you in a joy tite, get 68 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.399 the joys in, then you come back to do the roof. Once they 69 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.079 see you perform and they're like, what else can these guys help us with? 70 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.279 Or who else do they know that can help us? Because self builders, 71 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:41.199 they struggle to find good trades people. There's no denying that it's really 72 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:44.600 difficult. And the fact that they can say to you, by the way, 73 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:46.680 and if you really like these people, as I do. Sometimes I 74 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:48.920 meet people and I think, God, there's such nice people and they say, 75 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:50.720 would you like the second fix? You think, well, why not? 76 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:55.399 You know? Is that what you do? Yeah? It depends really. 77 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.600 If I feel a at work can be quiet, I'll happily do that. 78 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:01.839 I'm trying to more reputation just to specialize in, but it's nice to 79 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.720 have that option. And if I don't feel I want to do it personally, 80 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:10.560 I'll recommend people and just passitive people that I feel confident with, and 81 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.040 it just tells people out and that's what's about really. Yeah. Absolutely, 82 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.560 So you've also got another aspect of your business that you'd like to focus on 83 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.920 around clouding. So what motivated you to sort of start that up and what 84 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:26.560 have been your results so far? The clodding company was good. It was 85 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.519 what I found is it was trying to find these infield jobs. So what 86 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:32.560 I find is I'd have a two day slot and then before you know that, 87 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.959 I turned into weeks before working use delaying people and I wanted to stick 88 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:41.360 to the date, So I was either delaying people or bouncing between two. 89 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.000 So I found that challenging. So we set up a cloud in because it's 90 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.959 perfectly windfields and they never never need to be in a rush for people that 91 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:51.160 have its way. I felt that we had a little slot to do we 92 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:55.560 could just squeeze that in. But to be honest, it's come really well 93 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.000 and I'll probably keep busy all year round just doing that. What sort of 94 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:03.040 clouding every issue. We've done a lot of large lot of burnt larch Japanese 95 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:11.000 methods so it's quite interesting. Yeah, yeah, barn Yeah, do you 96 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.839 burn it up yourself? Were you buying like that? Yeah? It was 97 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:15.279 bought in like that. But yeah, just doing the edges, you've got 98 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.720 to cut it, so that was interesting doing something different and a lot of 99 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.079 the concrete. So I don't know if that's going to be a phase at 100 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.879 the moment, but yeah, a lot of stuff I like to do. 101 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:30.079 I prefer would Yeah, I do as well. In fact, sometimes the 102 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.040 cladding job's beautiful, isn't it. You can just sort of really lose yourself, 103 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.920 can't you. This is mindless, isn't it. You can just once 104 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:38.920 you set up and you've got your corner set up and your window reveals and 105 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.000 you know how you're going to go. It's just brilliant, isn't it? 106 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.399 Just behind it? Yeah, I do. I love one of those sort 107 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:46.920 of jobs like that cladding. Okay, Jason, let's discuss why you decided 108 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:54.639 to specialize in this next corventry show on Fixed Radio. This is the Carpentry 109 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:58.480 Show. I'm Robin Clevitt, and I'm talking to Jason Joyce about his experiences 110 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.839 taking on tim the roof construction and so, Jason, how do you get 111 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:06.639 into the trade. Leaving school, opportunities are quite small. I wasn't best 112 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:10.800 behaved, and you had free choices. It was either going to get into 113 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:16.319 mischief, army or carpentry. I had a lot of learning difficulties and still 114 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:21.360 to this day. So for me, hands on was the best way to 115 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.759 be skillful of my hands and to release some of that energy as a young 116 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:30.879 teenager. You're learning now, I bet you're amazed at what you can learn, 117 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:32.600 at what you can take on. If you look back at your fifteen 118 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:36.839 fourteen year old self, I bet you could never imagine then what you're doing 119 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:41.279 now. Though. It's phenomenal, isn't it. Yeah, And it's been 120 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.040 only been the last four years that the doors are really opened, has it. 121 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.680 But I mean, I know some of the stuff that you do is 122 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.120 just phenomenal. And who would have thought, you know, would you have 123 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.279 ever thought that when they were saying to you, oh your you know, 124 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.399 your trouble you you was messing around? I was like, that is school. 125 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:00.319 I was a class clown in school. So it was kind of you 126 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:01.680 just have to sort of prove it to yourself, isn't it. So where 127 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:07.160 is your interest? So where is your interest in structural carpentry come from and 128 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.160 how did you learn those skills? Well, I always enjoyed being on the 129 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.959 roof. It's hand for the tools. You're up outside during the fresh air, 130 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:16.040 and you left the loane to do what you've got to do. And 131 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.519 I think, I don't think these starite agents now are what they used to 132 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.839 be many years ago. A lot of them inexperience and I didn't like the 133 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.199 lack of organization. So if I was on the roof, I could finish 134 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.480 it completely done and get paid. And I think I tried to get away 135 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.960 from the site work and it was quite challenging because you go for small little 136 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.679 companies. You enjoyed a nice people, but the money wasn't there, So 137 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.840 is what do you do? And I remember listening to an audio with Robert 138 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.240 Kazaki reached their poor dad, and I said, you know what, I'm 139 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.200 going to start my own business. And I see there was a roof near 140 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:52.080 me not being started, and they was there. So I said, look, 141 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.519 guys, you need a hand. I've done a few rules which would 142 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.120 be interested as help. And they said, now I've got my own guys. 143 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.159 So I stead of giving in when I got my best pictures up. 144 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.840 I sent it to buy email. We rang it straight up and said right, 145 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.120 come and do this group. No going back out a maze. That 146 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.480 was it. But that took a lot of guts, isn't it. Yeah, 147 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:13.039 I mean I get quite nervous, to be honest, I'm quite nervous 148 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.840 one to you. It's what I am. But it's the only way you 149 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.759 get buy. I keep pushing yourself. I mean, that's amazing. It 150 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:24.159 reminds me of years ago. I went to Mortar and I was fascinated with 151 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.279 the build there because they excavate a hole, take all of the limestone out 152 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.120 the hole, cut that into bricks, and build the house. It's phenomenal. 153 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:31.840 And once they get it all built and ready, it's ready for what 154 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:37.399 they call that plaster in And the local plaster goes along and paints his number 155 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.080 on the building, and that means I'm ready and I'm available to do it. 156 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.000 It's basic marketing. But you know, turning up and saying to a 157 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.559 builder, it's horrible walking onto anyone's site, Isn't it Absolutely horrible? Because 158 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.799 you know people just like, who the hell is this walking on the site? 159 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.399 Is he going to nick my tools or something you know. But yeah, 160 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.120 yeah, yeah, but that's really I mean, that's really brave and 161 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:58.919 sensible thing to do. And that was the thing that obviously tipped you over 162 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.840 for I can do this. I'm confident and you know you've proved it. 163 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.399 So so that was an opportunity. So you saw in the market that you 164 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.039 thought, I'm going to go from site work to going to do smaller works 165 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.840 with nicer people hopefully, And you're right, small building firms are generally much 166 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.840 nicer places to be, aren't they not? Just the fact you haven't got 167 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.480 those awful rules, which I know that we have to have, but it's 168 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.320 much more straightforward. And was it at that point you sort of realized that 169 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:30.519 specializing in something like this could create some success for you. Yes. What 170 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.679 I was finding was so I was turning up to look at jobs, and 171 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.320 I was saying, I'm really glad your enthusiastic they could see it shine through. 172 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.399 Yeah. For me, I like the challenge, And what they were 173 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.919 saying is we've had six people look at the job and now one's been interested 174 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:46.440 because it's too complicated. Really, So for me, I'm self taught. 175 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:48.240 So every time I do a roof, I say if I can get over 176 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.879 there, I wouldn't do anything, and then before you know it, next 177 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.080 job, next job, and just keep going. There's some good colleges in 178 00:10:54.120 --> 00:11:00.879 the country that actually teach roof construction. West Suffolk College, Iris recently villaged. 179 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.840 Sorry, I recently visited and it was amazing what they're doing over there. 180 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.279 But they're few and far between. So you're right. What you've got 181 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.039 to do is literally earn it on the job. And with roofing, especially 182 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.600 if you're extending an existing building, there's so many things that can be out. 183 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.039 The brick layer might just not be particularly good at setting out in the 184 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.440 ground, so at the time it comes up to you, it's out of 185 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.759 parallel, it's out of square, it's out of level, and you just 186 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.840 have to basically get over it, you know what I mean. It's it's 187 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.200 just one of those awful things. So is that the most enjoyable aspect of 188 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.480 structural carpentry that you do? Exactly problem solving? And when I get asked 189 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.120 by a client and they say, looks any chance to do it this way 190 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.759 and look speak to the architecture architecture, is that it can't happen. Said, 191 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:43.519 that's fine, but I've got as on behalf of the client. There's 192 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.440 the way we can overcome that. Yeah, I would like to give them 193 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:52.159 that opportunity to do so. And there's been times we're designed to designed to 194 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.000 have gone to the engineer or building control and we've made it happen and that's 195 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:00.360 rewarding. It certainly is. And again that's a confidence thing because when you've 196 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.080 got a bit of paper and it's got an R I B A Architects stamp 197 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.559 on the side, and you sort of think, actually, I know for 198 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.840 a fact if we take that steal out and put a timber trust here, 199 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:13.279 for example, we can make the job better. It's a really hard thing 200 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.320 to actually overcome. But again with confidence, you build your confidence. It's 201 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:22.000 brilliant, isn't it. Fixed Radio? This is the Carpentry Show with first 202 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.240 All on Fixed Radio. I'm Robin Clevitt. So I would need to look 203 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.120 at different specialisms within our trade and those working in them. And still on 204 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:33.039 the line with me today is Jason Joyce, who is a self described timber 205 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.720 roof specialist. So, Jason, are there any particular memorable jobs that you've 206 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.399 worked on. I think one of the best ones was done is an Emerson 207 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:45.279 Park and you're run for Genetics and that had a total top route. It 208 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:50.840 had ninety two triple timbers for hi ull scarf twented and we had three big 209 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.200 curved dormers. I would say it's member. It was a really nice job, 210 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.960 nice nice buyer and it was really enjoyable to do. Yeah, that's 211 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.960 the one with the barrel vault dormers. They looked at absolute business mate, 212 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:05.559 they did. So can you talk us through some of the most impressive timber 213 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:11.440 roof and timber frame structures that you've also completed, Well, that's chanting. 214 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:15.080 There's been a few, I quite like the one in Hawsham, which is 215 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.279 the curve roof. There's three meters different height between a lower end of the 216 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.240 ridge to the high end. Every raft was a different peach. We started 217 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:26.600 off at twenty six degrees I believe to about sixty two degrees, so that 218 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.120 was interesting. Recently we've done a little job at the Tower of London on 219 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.440 a little turret roof and that was an honor to be there. Amazing, 220 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.919 amazing. You should be knighted for that one, mate, I'll tell you. 221 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.000 But going back to that one that you're talking about in Horsham, which 222 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:45.320 was absolutely phenomenal. I've got a question about that roof, Who on earth 223 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.559 is go insulated and how's it going to be done? Yes, good question. 224 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.480 So this is some of the things that come into conversation becaus when we 225 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.240 were talking about the steels and trying to get the fire, talking about the 226 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:01.679 cats back in underneath. Now none of the papers much for various things like 227 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.080 that. It was going to be sell text because of the angles. What 228 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.960 they're going to do now is they're going to put expand in home in there. 229 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.559 So we've been back with counter back the timber and eighteen milk pie on 230 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.480 that and it was the last day to day. We've just managed to get 231 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.399 that curve there. Yeah, and the guys out measuring the zink, so 232 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.559 he'd be getting ready to stall the next face and we'll be back and into 233 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.559 year training would be good BlimE me. Yeah, it was. It was 234 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.360 an amazing job that could keep you busy for some time, I reckon. 235 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.120 So that's amazing And I would imagine that would have been one of the more 236 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.960 challenging projects that you've taken on. Yeah, I was challenging because it's so 237 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.000 much you think about it not just for the carture side. It's getting not 238 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:46.720 just the consistent flow. If whether the steels vary, they might have given 239 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:48.879 upstands of the steel. So you're trying to get that natural curve, beging 240 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:54.000 all the class forwards, the information hourison to finish on the outside, try 241 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.279 and type, make sure it works for ever other trade. Yeah, no, 242 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:00.559 it's amazing and people need to have a look at your Instagram to actually 243 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:05.399 see all of those amazing pictures. Okay, so that's what sort of kind 244 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.159 and tell do you work with and how do you find it other than turning 245 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.679 up and saying I can do your roof. I think when it first started 246 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.600 it was a lot of pictures off Facebook because I had this routine where I'd 247 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.279 get onto the last ten stiles and I'd just be posting all the time. 248 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.039 Or I'd pass places and i'd been knocking on doors. Literally if I see 249 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.440 someone who's got a fourteen, I'd put a lease it through and I had 250 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.200 written out, don't look, get in touch. And I think over time, 251 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.440 I choose the quality builders that I would like to work for, and 252 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.320 we've got lots of property developers, so it's gradually bit by bit and I've 253 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.519 noticed that it's sort of changes changed, especially with like the economic slowes down 254 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:46.279 which happened at the moment we're trying to go more higher end by and tell 255 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:52.440 yeah, who may be less sort of affected by cost of living crisis and 256 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.320 rising interest rates and well, inflation's coming down, so that's a good thing, 257 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.320 so hopefully we should see rates follow and so talking about finding sort of 258 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.000 better work, better qualities of work. We're in winter now, so what's 259 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.759 your seasonal approach with your business? Sort of you still taking an outdoor work 260 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:12.039 always? Yeah, the worst of the weather gets the more we take it 261 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:17.120 on betaween know others. One that's so true, isn't It is so true? 262 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.559 And let's be honest. You can have an amazing December, can't. 263 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.799 You can be dry and cold, which is absolutely perfect. It's October this 264 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.720 month this year was one of the wettest on records. So you just don't 265 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.440 know, do you. You can never tell. You just got to get 266 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.440 on with it. I've worked a board of work to Australia, Canada, 267 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.480 so I know the extremes to remind myself, but this took its toll on 268 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:40.600 me this week. I think when you look at your friends and they smile 269 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:44.840 or or are they just are the grumpy? It does make you laugh and 270 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.480 you just get up of it. Yeah. Absolutely proper, proper geezers. 271 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.879 That's what we are. We get out and get stuck into it. Anyway, 272 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:53.759 let's come back to wrap up our chat as we're running out of time 273 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:02.480 on today's show on Fixed Radio The Builders Station Campentry Show Monday from three and 274 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:07.079 catch up anytime at Fix Radio dot co dot uk the Builder Station Fix Radio. 275 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:12.160 I'm Robin Clevitt wrapping up my chat today with Jason Joyce about his experiences 276 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:18.079 focusing on timber roof construction. What's your dream ambition, Jason, Perhaps a 277 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.519 structure or project that you're yet to take on that really interests you. Oh, 278 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:25.359 that's challenging. I see what I do really like. I like to 279 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:30.440 a church roof, So I'm really a seat steep steeple roof or an eyebrow. 280 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.119 Yeah, that's amazing. I've done both of those things. I did 281 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:38.279 an eyebrow in Windsor and I was literally young and who was a big extension 282 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.880 had a huge gable gable roof at right angles to existing that was a piece 283 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.640 of cake and it was huge, and I spent you know, a couple 284 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.480 of weeks getting it all up and building it. And then they had an 285 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.000 eyebrow. They said, we want to match this eyebrow and the roof next 286 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.960 to it. And it must have taken me half the time to do one 287 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.359 our eyebrows. It did do the rest of the roof, and they were 288 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:57.960 saying, what you've been here? Do you know what I mean? It's 289 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.720 kind of like it's one of those okay, tell us about your plans for 290 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:07.279 twenty twenty four and beyond. Okay, next year. We've done a lot 291 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.799 of new durabields for those who don't know where that is, the concrete field 292 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.519 with the Palistine installation, so they're quite good because that they think they take 293 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.279 time, so that will open up the doors for a lot more internal work. 294 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.359 I've also started networking with a lot of people around the country. We've 295 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.240 come through timber roofs. So my plan is to take on as much work 296 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.559 as I can, getting people going to be local. If we're busy, 297 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:30.599 I can lead them to their own device. If not, we've got a 298 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.079 line of work and hopefully the weather would be good and we can carry on 299 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.640 camping out and traveling around. Well, I reckon you're going to smash it 300 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.880 mate, There's no doubt about that. You are ambitious, and you're keen, 301 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:42.920 and you can most of all do the work and get it done. 302 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.119 So how can people connect with you online? I would have a look my 303 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.240 Instagram account. Take us out there and I'll get back to anybody that contacts 304 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.839 me and Google JC timber Rooths. That's this. Thank you so much for 305 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.880 your time today, Jason. I'll catch up with you soon. Thank you. 306 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.799 You can hear this show again from ten pm with more great music right 307 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:08.039 here on Fix Radio. 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