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So host, welcome for Open Minds
Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio

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is the UFO news authority presenting evidence
and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomena.

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Here's your host, Alejandro Roja.
It is I Alajambro and this is

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open Minds Radio, your UFO news
authority. Thanks for joining us. We've

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got a great show, something new, cutting edge. You know. I

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talked with Nancy Talbot quite a bit. She's a good buddy of mine,

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the premiere scientific researcher of crop circles. Her with her BLT organization that's been

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documentaring the science around crop circles,
and she's got some new stuff. First

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of all, she's got the first
documented evidence of burning at a crop circle.

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Now people have said they have seen
burning every time that she has been

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sent samples of a burn mark,
that it actually hasn't turned out to be

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burning. And she'll explain that.
But in a crop circle in Holland,

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they've actually had some burning. And
interesting enough, that's really what we're going

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to be talking a lot about,
is crop circles in Holland, because they've

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had a lot. England's been really
slow to start. They had one decent

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one. I think that they're getting
so bored that they've had at least a

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couple of marketing ones created, like
a beer a beer glass outside of a

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pub, because the pubs are usually
just swamped with crappies going out there and

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hanging out and drinking and having a
good time. But they haven't had a

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whole lot. But there's been a
bunch of Holland, so this is kind

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of exciting. So we'll talk about
that, and then we'll talk about a

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gentleman who supposedly is able to kind
of scent these crop circles when they're going

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to be made, and been able
to take friends out and go look for

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him and they find them and other
weird stuff like that. So he will

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also be on the show. All
the way from Holland. We've got Robert

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Vandenbroke on and so that's really exciting. So it's a great show, some

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really really interesting stuff that you're gonna
love. So stay tuned. Even if

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you're a skeptic of Robert and I
know there's a few of you out there,

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you're gonna want to listen to the
show because there is some interesting stuff.

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I think you'll like it. And
really i've worked with Nancy. I

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know how Nancy is. She is
very very careful and rigorous scientific researcher.

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You know, she would not support
anything unless she believed it was true and

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feels that she was able to scientifically
document that it is indeed. Just that,

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so really exciting, Steph. I
always love talking with Nancy and Robert

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too. And in this interview,
you know, Robert, even though he's

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from Holland, he kind of and
a little bit shy and reserved because we've

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talked with him before. You know, he comes out and you get to

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hear more of the emotion and stuff
behind what he's been doing. So very

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exciting and especially one of the things
I like about this too is there's animals

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involved. And I'm a big animal
lover and this is a pro just so

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you know, this is a pro
animal radio show ran completely by vegetarians.

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Believe it. I know the odds
are against it, but that just shows

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how evolved we are at Open Minds
Radio other news. Where can you meet

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these evolved beings the Open mind Radio
producers. You can go to moufon in

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July to twenty ninth to the thirty
first in Irvine, California. We're going

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to be out there at the Moufon
Symposium. That's going to be a lot

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of fun. They're going to have
Story Musgrave there, an astronaut talking about

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a UFO signing. I know they're
going to have Joe mcmonagall, who was

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one of the first Army remote viewers. In fact, he was one of

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the he taught other people remote viewing
once he was taught remote viewing. And

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you may be aware that this was
a program where they got Ingo Swan,

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a psychic to teach them kind of
a psychic protocol and how to look at

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things that are far away, such
as Russian submarines and stuff. Of course,

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that's what the Armies interested in,
and this was a program ran for

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a period of time remote viewing.
And now those people who were in that

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program are out doing this privately with
their own companies, so that's kind of

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exciting. Jim Mars talked about this
at our UFO Congress. In fact,

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you can go to our website and
get his DVD and it's awesome. Also,

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we'll be in Roswell this summer as
always. I've been there for the

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last few years. This year I'm
kind of kicking back. Last few years,

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I've been more involved with doing kind
of the organizing. Not last year.

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I guess we kicked back there too. Well. We sell, We

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sell magazines and T shirts and lots
of our cool stuff. We're going to

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have a Roswell edition of the magazine
and some of the authors to two premiere

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Roswell researchers Don Schmidt and Stanton Friedman
wrote for our magazine, you've probably already

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read it already, so you'll be
able to come to Roswell and get those

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two to sign it. So that's
going to be a lot of fun.

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And that's what we're up to this
summer, besides keeping up on UFO news

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to get you the latest and the
greatest. And as you know, you

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can go to our website to see
those UFO headlines, and you can come

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to our radio show and hear our
great news correspondent Jason McClelland tell us all

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about it. Jason's here with me
today. Hello Jason, Hello Alejandro,

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and greetings everyone. This is your
Open Minds news brief for Monday, May

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twenty third, twenty eleven. The
National Geographic Channel aired two television specials over

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the weekend dealing with the subjects of
extraterrestrials and conspiracies. The first special,

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When Aliens Attack, looked at the
scenario of Earth being attacked and invaded by

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hostile extraterrestrials and how humans would respond. The two hour special also explored the

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issue of communicating with extraterrestrials. The
show featured a variety of experts like military

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personnel and scientists, including thefth Shostak, senior astronomer for the Seti Institute.

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Area fifty one Declassified aired immediately following
When Aliens Attack, and according to that

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geo, it revealed what's really been
going on inside the most secretive place on

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Earth. But from the reviews of
the show, it really didn't come through

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with that, didn't reveal anything that
wasn't already known, and kind of hyped

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up a whole lot of nothing with
the shows. And I already know how

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humans would react if they got attacked
by aliens. They would be pessed,

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they would be really upset. Well, yeah, I they wouldn't like that.

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Don't imagine that we'd like being attacked
by anybody, really, I mean,

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being attacked by killer bees. It's
not fun. Yeah, being attacked

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by extraterrestrials. But again, this
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a popular theme right now. We
see it in television shows and movies,

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this whole invasion of extraterrestrials. Yeah, I think they just really quick

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came up with something to phil to
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type of thing. And not only
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being so big the topic right now, so they tried to jump on that,

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and it just sounds like, and
I've seen this before. We've all

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seen this, where these documentaries they
say they're going to be great and wonderful.

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Well, of course, what's a
marketer guy supposed to do watch the

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documentary and say this isn't that great. So I'm going to tell people it's

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not that great. They're always going
to say it's great, and then it

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turns out to be like one guy
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I already knew everything all that stuff
before I watch the show. And this

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is someone who's not even really into
this stuff. Yeah, that's the general

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consensus. It was just a lot
of hype, and I think you're right.

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It was probably just the network wanting
to jump on the bandwagon. They

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looked at all of their other peer
networks. I mean, you've got Discovery

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History, all these other channelsi FI
with all the show, all of their

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shows on the subject or on similar
subjects. Yeah, GEO says, we

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need to get on that. Yeah, and if you feel different, you

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know, let us know our listeners. You can go to contact at open

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what you think if you feel differently, because obviously we didn't get to see

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it. That's right, that's right. It'd be great to hear from listeners,

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to hear what other people thought.
But just the reviews that I read

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and from the few people that I
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too impressed. Yeah, and you're
right. Area fifty one was extremely hot

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topic last week and still is this
week as a result, most likely of

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the release of a new book by
journalist Annie Jacobson, which features interviews with

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ex employees who claimed to have worked
at the secret military base in Area fifty

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one. An uncensored history of America's
top secret military base. Jacobson makes the

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claim that the famous Roswell UFO crash
of nineteen forty seven was actually a Russian

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spacecraft with grotesque child size aviators developed
in human experiments by Nazi doctor and war

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criminal Joseph Mengele at the direction of
Joseph Stalin. The theory isn't that of

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Jacobson's, but rather something she was
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that particular portion of the book,
which is a very small portion of the

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book, is what's grabbing all of
the headlines. Yeah, every major news

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source is carrying a story about this, and that's what she's been saying.

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It's not a big part of the
book, but yeah, in an interview

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with Popular Mechanics, because I know
they're very skeptical and they think, you

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know, the Air Force has already
told us what's happened with Ross. Well,

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so I've been waiting for them to
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well, this doesn't make sense.
But they interviewed her and she they kind

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of pinned her down to it's just
this one anonymous source, and she admitted

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she brought this to the other engineers
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her with her book, and she
floated this idea past them. All of

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these people are not anonymous, they
use their names in the book, and

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they all said they had never heard
of that, some of them saying that

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it's ridiculous, some of them saying
that it's possible because we didn't know what

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was going on. And in fact, we're going to have a book review

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up from Michael pretty soon here.
And I know he's mentioned that a lot

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of top secret projects, important ones
that went on at Area fifty one that

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we know happened there, aren't in
her book, so it's only a small

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slice of what went on there,
what these engineers worked on, which is

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ox cart, which is kind of
boring because that was just a predecessor to

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SR seventy one, some of the
U two stuff, some of the older

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stuff, right, not the sexier
stuff like the stealth or the Bird of

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Prey, which is when Michael talks
about this really crazy look complain that they

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tested out there for a while.
Yeah, Well, it's I don't know

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what to make of it. You
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it's a little frustrating that the news
would latch onto a small, small story

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in this in this big book,
and I've seen many new sources actually give

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it credibility, you know, based
off this one anonymous source. They're maybe

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they don't know, or they're just
using not to bring up the fact that

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there are many named sources who were
witnesses for as well, people who were

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actually involved with the recovery. I
think the issue is they don't know,

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and which is really unfortunate because it
would just take a little bit of research.

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Don Schmidt, who we mentioned earlier, he actually gave us an opinion

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piece of editorial guests Edstroyal we're posting
tomorrow. He's done a ton of researcher

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and like you said, he's talked
to named witnesses. These are retired military,

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some of these are deathbed confessions.
These are people an abundance of witnesses

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who have given their name, who
were who they say they were, and

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that's a lot more credible than an
unnamed witness. And also, by the

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way, we do have our special
Roswell issue of Open Minds magazine that's on

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the shelves right now, yep.
And Don Schmidt has more than one article

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in there. He's got one article. But then I wrote an article on

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him and his background, and then
of course we have this Stanton article,

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all both of which are chuck full
of witnesses and evidence, and I mean,

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if you can get an idea and
why these people believe that what Roswell

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happened, and more than that,
Don Schmidt has evidence of or eyewitness testimony

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to these people seeing the creatures and
stuff like that. So and he makes

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a good point in his article if
this supposed Russian plane which they stole from

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the Germans, which allegedly wasn't even
flying, was full of these children that

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were mutilated, which is her idea
that the Germans mutilated, literally mutilated these

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children and put them in there so
they look like aliens. Who was flying

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you know? Remote control? Yeah, well an RCUFO in nineteen forty seven

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advanced technology, my friend, I
guess, so the Nazis did have a

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super UFO program going on. Well, they had missiles, we know that.

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Oh, it is an interesting theory, so kind of interesting to see

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a new take on it. Yeah, I think, you know, it's

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one of those things. It's another
area that comes up. The new media

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has taken off with it. They're
being pretty biased unfortunately not being covering all

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angles. But holy cow, are
they covering it. Yeah, they're covering

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it. I mean they're covering it. Not just one story, but two.

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I'm Huffington Posts had a story today. This is their second story.

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They already wrote a story on this, right, and now they have another

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one out. It's popular. Yeah, fortunately or unfortunately, I don't know.

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Hope only it's bringing us hit star
website. Well, we'll have to

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look at that. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Scientists are aiming a radio

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telescope at select planets in hope of
detecting alien signals. According to space dot

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Com, this new search began two
weeks ago and comes just one month after

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the Seti Institute was forced to suspend
their operations due to budget problems. The

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radio telescope is targeting eighty six planets
that had been selected as world's most likely

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to resemble Earth. NASA's Coupler telescope
provided data that allowed scientists to make this

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determination. The new search for extraterrestrial
signals is led by University of California,

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Berkeley astronomers and utilizes the Robert Z
Bird Green Bay Telescope in West Virginia.

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The largest steerable radio telescope in the
world. Once the scan of all eighty

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six planets is complete, the data
will be made available to amateurs involved with

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the SETI at Home project. As
space dot Com explains, SETI at Home

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harnesses the power of many interconnected home
computers, using them as sort of a

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supercomputer to analyze mountains of data.
There are an estimated one million people who

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participate in the SETI at Home project. Now, I remember a story from

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more than a year ago. I
believe it was actually an IT person at

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a high school here, I think
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putting the SETI at Home software on
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and can So yeah, not a
good idea for the IT guys. No,

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probably should keep that at home.
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we're back to listening to radio signals. Well that's what they do. And

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yeah, I mean people have to
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right, so they still have access
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one here we just talked about.
So yeah, they're not out by any

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means, well not at all.
They do a lot more than just the

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one telescope array set. He's not
going anywhere. Oh no, this is

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an interesting story that you had on
the website, Alejandro. But Salvatory Calederrone

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of the Central Ufalohiko de Benevento,
also known as the CUBMG in Italy,

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sent us a UFO photo last week. Although the picture dates back to two

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thousand and seven, CUBMG staff manager
Angelo Carnante was just sent the picture by

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its photographer. Carnante forwarded the picture
to their image analyst, who believes it

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is a genuine unknown. They have
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an insect, bird, natural phenomena, or conventional aircraft, and find the

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egg shaped and metallic silver color particularly
interesting. An egg shaped UFO. Yeah,

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like this egg, this metal egg
in this guy. It is pretty

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weird picture, you know. That's
why. Well, it's it's great when

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we have these contacts, like we
had the Korean guy. He hasn't sent

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us anything lately, but now we
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us stuff in sightings, you know, because we don't get to see the

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foreign sightings as much the American ones
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that's interesting and it's it's always fun
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these all the time, and organizations
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analysis and you know, sending off
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analyzed. And these are organizations that
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cool to hear. I knows we
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and now they know. Always glad
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there was a great video last week. It's my favorite video from last week.

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It was a flying car UFA and
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time lapse camera by Brett Anthony,
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Kansas City, Missouri, last Tuesday
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in the night sky, followed by
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zipping through this guy. Anthony ruled
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for the lights that was visible in
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flying car sighting occurred at ten pm. A woman who witnessed the lights in

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the sky on Tuesday night posted a
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that the lights were from a medical
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made. Yeah, that's such a
weird video. And of course the fun

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part of that is they're messing around
saying maybe it was Harry Potter, right,

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and it does. It looks like
this car that kind of comes off

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screen and it turns and then goes
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over. It was a really interesting
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was fun. And you know,
one of my pet peeves with the people

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who watch videos and then want to
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to read. They don't read descriptions, they don't read accompanying articles, so

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they don't understand the details of the
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was a time lapse photo. That's
what they were using it for. It

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was a weather cam and they were
showing a time lapse of the full moon

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moving through the sky, and so
people had all their conspiracy theories about,

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oh, it looks like the video
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read the description, it says it, but the movement was fun with the

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time lapse too, because it's like
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sayings, who oh yeah, zooms. So this guy then changes direction,

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comes right at the camera. And
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were having a lot of fun with
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showed this was genuinely surprised. He
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I think one of his coworkers said
did you do that? Did you just

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create that? And he's like,
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all. That's real. So they
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what it was, and they encourage
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it was, and they really didn't
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that was a fun video. We
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on our website and we have an
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A team of scientists from Paris,
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planet gleas of five eighty one d
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thousand and seven. G Liza five
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too cold to sustain life. Based
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scientists think they have a winner with
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eighty one D is a rocky planet
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out of Earth, and it's estimated
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team's study was published in the Astrophysical
Journal Letters, and round and round when

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we go with this habitable planet thing. You know, just at the end

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of last year, we were talking
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determined was suitable for life, habitable
in the habitable zone. And now they

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don't even think it exists. Oh
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G exists. They think it was
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G, they're not sure if it
exists, right, certainly not an exact

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science. Well, after all,
it is twenty light years from Earth,

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so it's probably pretty difficult to know
for sure. Well, hopefully, I

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don't know. If I'm still in
your thunder, you just have to move

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the story up. If I am
the trees the Yeah, they can have

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a system where they may be able
to tell if a planet has trees or

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not. I wonder if it's the
same kind of thing. That's pretty exciting.

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Are we going to run across that
where oh it has trees. No,

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the planet doesn't exists. No,
it's the Sun, you know.

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But it's interesting these things and how
sure they are at the time when they

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make these discoveries. That's when they
backpedal, and you know, you can

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give them an excuse of saying it's
twenty light years from Earth. Yeah,

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that's so far away it is.
But and we have this story. Astronomers

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have found ten potential planets wandering through
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Yeah, they just found out about
this. And these aren't just little

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planets moving around freely. They are
reportedly as massive as Jupiter. A physicist

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from the University of norre Dame,
along with colleagues from Japan, New Zealand

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and elsewhere, are the scientists responsible
for the new discovery, and their findings

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were published in the journal Nature.
While the announcement of these rogue planets is

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surprising, perhaps even more surprising is
just how common these orbit less planets may

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be. As the Huffington Post pointed
out, the team of scientists speculates these

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planets may be more common than the
stars. So forget about knowing whether or

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not a planet exists or not.
It may be in the Goldilock zone.

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We've got these random, humongous jupiter
balls floating around with no orbit. Yeah,

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just in the middle of nowhere.
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which is just a frustration. I
guess with some of these setting guys

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or such Shastack or some of them, they're so certain all the time.

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All of their statements are, oh, we're so sure about X, Y,

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Z and then and it's just so
unwise and it's unscientific, honestly for

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them to be so certain about all
of these things when they aren't certain at

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all, and when history shows that
the majority of times in science, when

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you make a statement that this is
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just the opposite. I think we've
learned there is no absolute and we don't

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know anything. Yeah, they've just
got to learn. They got to take

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that cue that perhaps this is the
case. This indicates so far that this

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is the case based on what we
means versus likely. But yeah, we

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don't know, Yeah, we don't
know. We got to teach these guys.

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Maybe we have to put together a
little course, a lecture that we

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go and perform at these scientific institutions
called the I don't know course. Everybody

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say it with me, I don't
know so and that's the answered every single

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question on the test. Who knows? But you know what, that's the

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excite to me, that's the exciting
thing about space. Yeah, I know,

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unknown? That unknown as exciting.
Give them all of our satellites and

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everything out there, taking all the
pictures we do, doing all the chests

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we do, all the rovers we
put down on the Moon and anywhere else,

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we still don't know anything. And
we've got to be comfortable with not

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knowing because the more we discover,
and we discover more all the time.

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The more we discover we don't know, there's more to it, and there's

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more we need to discover. Right, that's great. We're always going to

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be looking and discovering, you know, that you're going to be that guy

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who goes out on the limb and
that you're absolute. You're going to be

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like the joker who said we shouldn't
be here right now. You'll be like

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this goofball who says in the world, he still says it's gonna end on

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October twenty first, so we'll make
fun of him again on October twenty first.

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Yeah, all right, Alejandra,
that is it for the news.

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Remember to check out these stories and
more at Openminds dot tv, your source

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for UFO related news. I'm Jason
McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent,

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and you've been briefed back to you, Elle Undro. All right, thank

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you Jason for briefing us all.
Some of the stories that we've got lately

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on the website are very exciting.
Now today we have a story on cattle

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mutilations in the San Luis Valley of
Colorado. Of course, some of you

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may know that the San Luis Vallee
an area where my family's from. It's

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very strange. Lots of weird stuff
going on out there, and there have

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been It's where cattle mutilations began.
Two thousand and nine, there were a

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bunch of cattle mutilations. And for
those of you who read our magazine,

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you'll remember in the second or third
issue I had a story out about cattle

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mutilations in Colorado in two thousand and
nine, something like nine animals that were

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discovered during that period of time.
In March alone, we're about three of

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these, and then in October November
was the next patch where one rancher,

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Manuel Sanchez, had about four animals
killed within a three week period. In

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fact, he was so distraught by
this these were all calves that he sold

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off all of his calves. But
now it's happening is again. Luckily this

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wasn't a calf that he found dead, but a mother of a calf that

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he found mutilated on his ranch just
a little while ago. And Chuck Szukowski

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comes to the rescue. Of course, he's the guy who we talked about

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who did the investigations on the mutilations
in two thousand and nine. So he

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went out there to take a look, did some write ups and reporting,

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and I always keep in contact with
Chuck and so got up to speed on

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that, and I wrote a story
and he's got a great group post Interactive

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that puts together these news videos for
him, and so they have a really

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cool video too that we've got embedded
into the story, so you'll have to

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check that out. Also, one
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of this talk about Area fifty one
that's being left out of these stories is

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how we know about Area fifty one
in the first place. And all of

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you can probably answer that question.
The answer is Senior Robert Lazaar, Bob

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Lazar, when he came out and
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Napp in Las Vegas in eighty nine. That's how the public really knew about

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Area fifty one. Before then,
there were some stories here and there,

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and actually KOs was on the cutting
edge back in the eighties. They spoke

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to an engineer who or security guy
who worked there, who gave him a

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little bit of information and gave him
the name Area fifty one. Prior to

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that, you know, people had
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by Groom Lake, and that's kind
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were the first to report, and
then eighty nine the Robert Lazar story hit

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just like this Area fifty one story
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of a sudden, the whole world
knew about Area fifty one. It quickly

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became the most famous air Force base
while at the same time being the most

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secret and officially denying. The officials
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that's an important story, of course, because we know Bob Lazarre said he

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worked at Area fifty one, a
special place called S four where he was

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back engineering UFO technology, so extraterrestrial
technology to be specific. So I wrote

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a little story on that with some
great maps too. In fact, one

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of the maps I got from the
Area fifty one book that just came out,

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it was actually from the government organization
with a very cool name. They're

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called the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,
and they release this map and Annie Jacobson

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put it in her book. So, and like I said, we're going

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to have ourselves more stories up in
the Antie Jacobson book. Don Schmidt's official

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rebuttal to her book tomorrow, and
then the day after that we'll have Michael

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Schrat's review of the book and some
of the interesting points and more that I

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made earlier he'll be talking about so
that's going to be great. Otherwise,

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all this stuff that we just talked
about a little while ago, you can

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find that and more up at our
website. So check it out Openminds dot

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tv and you'll find all that information
there. However, now that we're done

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with the news, it is time
to listen to this excellent interview some really

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interesting information from Nancy and Robert.
So let's listen to Nancy and Robert.

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Okay, so we've got every on
the line. We have Nancy Tealbot crop

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circle researcher extraordinaire from Bot Research,
and Robert Vandenbroke from Holland. Hello,

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Hello, and hello to you too. All Right, it's very exciting to

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have you both on. And I
know before we get into some of the

408
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:30.200
Holland where this is related to actually
Holland Circle, you have found some evidence

409
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.400
of burning in a circle, Nancy, we have, and in just a

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00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:40.400
minute we wanted to get into that. Robert and I have a special surprise

411
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:47.079
for you and the listeners tonight,
and it has to do with an American

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00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:53.759
crop circle. There have only been
two possible ones reported and one of them

413
00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:00.200
happens to have come from a man
in Virginia. I don't know this guy.

414
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:06.319
He simply emailed me that there was
a circle in Virginia, and he

415
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:12.240
sent me a photograph and he told
me that it was along a very whirl

416
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.720
part of Virginia, a road that
he drives every day, and when he

417
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.960
saw it, he went to photograph
it, and he said he saw no

418
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:25.799
footprints going in the grass. And
it was only one small circle, about

419
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:31.200
ten to twelve meters in diameter,
and he said he couldn't see any footprints

420
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:37.720
in that. And so he was
letting us know, and I was getting

421
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.599
ready to put it up on the
USA Crop Circles listing. I gave you

422
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.279
that link I think Alejando that you
can set up for people. And just

423
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:52.279
as an afterthought, I emailed a
copy of it to Robert, because I

424
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:59.480
sometimes do these things. And I
wasn't thinking of asking him anything about it,

425
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:05.319
just letting him know that the circles
had started here in the US.

426
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.799
So I had no sooner done that
than the phone rang and it was Robert.

427
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:17.839
And what did you tell me?
Robert? Yes, I was get

428
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.759
the picture. And when I was
seeing the picture, the first impress what

429
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:30.000
I was get. That sounds a
little bit bad, but that was the

430
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:35.319
message that I was get when I
was see the picture was on Middley that

431
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:40.160
it was a fake circle. And
I was getting image vision in my head

432
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:50.559
very strong from a young boy with
blonde hair, a little bit two in

433
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.400
the neck, how you call it, about halfway down his neck? Yes,

434
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.519
yes, yes, and a black
cat on. And I was get

435
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.920
very strong the name Mike, and
I would see that very clear, see

436
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.880
that he was a paper boy,
that he was bringing the newspapers by the

437
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:15.519
people. And I was knowing in
one second for sure that he was the

438
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.000
maker from the circle. And I
was getting very strong the name Mike in

439
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.000
my head. It was so clear, so coming so quick in my head

440
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:30.679
that I was called Nancy, and
I was saying, watch out, there

441
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:40.840
is this fake and I was saying
what my vision was, and shef told

442
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.559
the man that and maybe Nancy can
tell what's going on now. I will

443
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:52.760
be happy to when he told me
all this. It's interesting to me because

444
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:59.760
I'm learning to pay attention to these
very first instincts that Robert keeps telling me

445
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:02.119
that that's what you're supposed to listen
to. And I had had this funny

446
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.320
feeling when I read the email that
the thing was fake. I just had

447
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.480
a feeling, but I ignored it. I didn't pay attention. I went

448
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.519
ahead and wrote the whole thing up. So I wrote. I emailed back

449
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:19.000
the man who had first told me
that you know that he found the circle

450
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:24.239
and had sent me the pictures.
And I told him that there was this

451
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.199
friend of mine, a medium,
a Dutch medium, Robert Vandenbroca, who

452
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.000
I had sent a copy of the
picture to, and that Robert had given

453
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:42.280
me some information which I wondered if
he could corroborate. And I then said,

454
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.719
you know, what Robert saw was
a young teenage boy with sandy blonde

455
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:54.320
hair a black cap. He was
a newspaper boy delivered the newspapers, and

456
00:35:54.760 --> 00:36:00.480
Robert saw him making the circle.
And then he also got the name Mike.

457
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:06.480
So I wrote this to this guy, and this is what he wrote

458
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:13.519
back to me, Dear Nancy,
this is amazing information. Our Roanoke Times

459
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:21.079
newspaper is delivered early in the morning
by a teenager named Mike. I spoke

460
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:25.800
with him once when I was up
early one morning about my interest in UFOs

461
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.840
and crop circles. Well, then
after I got that, I called him

462
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.480
and I said, could I get
a little bit more information about this Mike?

463
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.280
And you know, he is the
paper boy. He does go up

464
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.000
and down this street every day doing
his deliveries. He is a teenager.

465
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:54.559
He wears a cap, and he
has the sandy blondish hair about halfway down

466
00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:00.679
his neck. According to the man
who told me all of this, Now,

467
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.360
Robert is in Holland. The cop
circle is in Virginia. Yeah,

468
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.360
I mean I we're waiting now.
The man who reported all of this is

469
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:15.760
going to get up really early tomorrow
to meet this mic when he arrives at

470
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.880
the door with the newspaper, and
he's going to try in a very gentle

471
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:28.360
way to find out whether, in
fact, this kid actually made the circle.

472
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.599
But with all of the other information
from Robert being completely spot on,

473
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.119
I'll bet you that kid made that
circle. That is unsure that he must

474
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:45.440
do this. Yes, but this
is for skeptical people, very prooful this

475
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.159
information. I cannot know that I
have only seen a picture from the circle

476
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:55.760
and almost get to the information.
And is that that give an insights in

477
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:05.639
that there's really uh consciousness from out
the real crop circle makers with me on

478
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:12.760
that moment that told the truth.
I that's that's that's that that That was

479
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:17.719
a strong story and a little bit
of funny story, very funny. Now.

480
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.960
Rather you've talked about in the past, how when you get these feelings,

481
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.360
or you get these senses and visions, emotions come along. Could you

482
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.639
kind of get the sense of why
the kid was doing it to be malicious

483
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.199
or just for fun? Did any
type of emotion come along that way?

484
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:43.079
Yes, I feel that he did. This boy have a little interest in

485
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:51.000
gfos and in crop circles. He
found it sensational in a little bit chop

486
00:38:51.239 --> 00:39:00.440
this sense. And he's not a
bad boy. He will create some Yes,

487
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:07.159
he will make a joke with it, and he wonder if public say

488
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.440
something about it. Of the people
flipped out when they see it, of

489
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:17.800
thinking that they come on out space
there a sort of yeah, childless id

490
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:25.639
it's it's more a joke from him, Why it's he Yeah. He also

491
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.639
tell me Robert that he had some
friends who you thought might be in on

492
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:37.719
the joke. Yes, they know
from him. There are three four people

493
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:43.199
around him what I see, and
they know from his joke and he hoped

494
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:47.480
that the newspaper may be paying attention
to it. Of the research people come

495
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.840
and they believe it if they say
that the circle is real, you know,

496
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.880
and then they have fun. Well, if he made it, it's

497
00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:01.920
really going to blow in mind.
But this is good. When he gets

498
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.519
news that I was noted on that
moment, intuitive, then he must know

499
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.360
that there is also a real phenomenal. Yeah, there's something real is going

500
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:16.239
on here. Well that in Tennessee
there's a more elaborate crop circle from the

501
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:23.719
twelfth That one also has a very
uh that one looks really fake to me.

502
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.519
Yeah, I'm following it. It
does look that way. It does.

503
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.840
And as I've posted on the USA
Crop Circles page again, you really

504
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.360
need to do. If he'd got
to have Robert there, you've got to

505
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.880
do all the science work to figure
it out. But it's sure it looks

506
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:46.079
awful mechanical to me. Wow,
that's incredible. This is a great story.

507
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:51.079
I can't wait to hear what happens
in the morning. Me either.

508
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:57.159
And I'll let you know. Let's
jump right away and get this burning evidence

509
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.159
out of the way, because Robert's
got lots of neat things to tell about

510
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:06.920
the new circles in Holland many years. For many years we have been getting

511
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:16.519
reports from time to time from people
field workers about finding burned plants in one

512
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:22.320
or another crop circles. Every single
time that samples have been sent to us

513
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:29.840
for analysis, we have found that
in fact the blackening was not caused by

514
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:36.320
burning. It was caused by an
opportunistic fungus, the spores of which are

515
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:42.920
in the air floating around all the
time, which attack any open cut or

516
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.159
break on the plants. Because all
that moisture inside the plant, that's where

517
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:52.920
all the nutrients are that help build
the seed heade, you know, develop

518
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:59.840
the seeds, and this fungus will
immediately attach itself to any break in the

519
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:05.519
outside stem and then colonize it.
And as they reproduce, there get to

520
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:10.679
be lots and lots of them.
And with ustilego it's usually black. Sometimes

521
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:15.800
it will be red, but more
often it is black. And if it's

522
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:21.599
been had some time to really colonize, it really does look like the plant

523
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.199
is burned. But in fact,
in every single case up until now,

524
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.360
it has always been usedulego. This
is all, by the way, a

525
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:37.719
new report that is on Robert's page
on the bot website, the BLT Research

526
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.360
flat dot com forward slash Robert and
it's one of the reports down at the

527
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.639
bottom. At any rate, last
fall, this is August of twenty ten.

528
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.719
In a circle not too far from
Hooven where Robert lives, a very

529
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:57.559
interesting circle occurred. That it had
a very beautiful oval circle as part of

530
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.119
it, a bunch of other circles, and an arc a ring that was

531
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:07.599
only about about half finished. At
the very end of this arc or ring

532
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.360
half ring, there were a number
of plants that were quite blackened at the

533
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.239
top, and their pictures here that
show everybody what we're talking about. You

534
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:21.360
knew that that crop circle was happening
too, didn't you, Arbaert? Yeah,

535
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.800
sure, I was get a very
strong sense and I was getting fission

536
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.840
from that place, and I was
know in one second this was the first

537
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:35.480
that was coming up in my mind
that I must go to to death field.

538
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.800
And in front of me was driving
me to that field that he was

539
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:46.639
founded and that's there. And didn't
you tell me? When we found the

540
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.960
black stalks, there were only a
few of them, and these are the

541
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.920
seat heads. There were three or
four, and then there was one stalk

542
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.639
that was cut at sort of a
forty five year degree angle and it was

543
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:05.920
black also, yes, And I
think you said that when you saw the

544
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.239
circle going down in your mind you
saw some sort of burst of energy go

545
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.320
upward right at that place. Yes, yes, yes, it was.

546
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:21.920
The vision that I wasn't get was
that the energy was made the circles and

547
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:29.199
that he uh lets the lest the
lest energy was coming free on that point

548
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:35.119
from the burned h seaheads. Yes, so the energy left the field at

549
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.360
exactly that point, you think,
yes, yes, yes, Well it's

550
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:46.360
a very interesting uh formation under u
uh I started to say, Andreas Alejandro,

551
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:51.960
because it not only it doesn't have
those seatheads, which in fact are

552
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:58.599
burned, it has this really very
interesting oval shape to one of the circles.

553
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.039
That's a very rare shape in the
cross circle things. And in fact

554
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:07.000
most of them that have this oval
shape have only occurred in Holland. There

555
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:13.079
have been a few elsewhere. But
we did send one of the seedheads to

556
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.400
Phyllis Binger, the analytical chemist,
you know, and she carried out her

557
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:25.760
standard infrared spectroscopy work to identify the
blackening. And in this case there's no

558
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.960
question it's due to carbon, you
know, actual burning and not to use

559
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.039
the lago. Now, Robert,
do you get a sense, I mean

560
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.920
burning isn't typical as far as I
know, this is the first burning type

561
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.400
of thing. Or the plants have
been burnt? Do you get it's the

562
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.440
first time where we are sure of
it? Huh? Do you know why

563
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:52.760
these plants were burnt? Is it
a different type of energy than usual?

564
00:45:52.639 --> 00:46:00.199
Or is I have a feeling that
the energy was very strong to a was

565
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:05.760
very busy when I was The energy
was very busy when I was found the

566
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:12.360
circle, I was feeling very welcome
presence, very positive, very busy,

567
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.800
very heavy, and I was also
get a feeling that I was having something

568
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:24.280
to do with a strong magnetic healing
process that it was neutral. Is it's

569
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:30.960
something there a healing process, he
says, And he says, healing the

570
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.400
earth there right, Yes, exactly, yes. And it was a very

571
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:45.079
strong electromagnetic entity there with a very
strong electromagnetic field. That was I was

572
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:51.480
feeling also on my head and around
me, and a pressure the same when

573
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:57.039
you sitting along in a car sometimes
you can feel that also a little bit

574
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.880
pressure. And I was also feel
that there, and I was get a

575
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.880
feeling that it was a very strong
energy that was coming free on the last

576
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:13.239
moments from the circle when he was
fixed. He was looked like or he

577
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:19.239
was not exactly fixed it was,
but he was. It was. Yeah,

578
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.599
that was the feeling that I was
get And the energy was pulsating there

579
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:30.199
and coming free if the less kind
of a last burst of energy before it

580
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:36.320
took off, Yes, exactly,
yes, yeah. Well it's strange because

581
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:43.639
these were the few standing stocks right
at the end of that arc and they

582
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.360
are definitely burned. Now I'm not
saying that there has never been another burned

583
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.840
plant in a formation. I'm saying
that in every case where these samples have

584
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:59.760
been sent the it was not burning, and it's conceivable that they're this burning

585
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:02.719
has occurred elsewhere, But you know, the samples are never sent to us,

586
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:07.400
and so we have no way of
knowing. But it's important for people

587
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.920
who go to crop circles and who
are interested in the whole thing to not

588
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:19.880
jump to conclusions about many things.
So it's very easy to make one conclusion

589
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.039
when you simply don't have enough information. Better to keep your mind open,

590
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:30.800
and I think to do practice what
Robert says about listening to your very first

591
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:42.760
instinct, because he says it's always
the right one. I'm sorry what you

592
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.559
say all one hundred oh, the
importance of sampling and testing, Well,

593
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:51.519
that's the way you wanted to prove
it. But what I'm saying is an

594
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:57.679
awful lot of people who are interested
in crop circles jump very quickly to one

595
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.719
conclusion or another, and then are
absolutely pos it is that whatever conclusion they've

596
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:08.239
come up with is right, and
often it's not right. And so if

597
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:14.880
you keep an open mind and pay
attention to many details, the chances are

598
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:19.320
you're gonna learn more than if you
think you know all the answers right away.

599
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:24.159
Yeah. So, And the last
few weeks have been busy out there,

600
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.960
Robert, Robert Carey has been jumping
like crazy. Yes, yes,

601
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.760
yes, Should we start with Easter
circle, Robert, Yes, yes,

602
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:44.199
Okay, Eastern night. I got
a very nice telephone call. It was

603
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.920
I don't know three, it was
three or four o'clock in the morning.

604
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:54.159
Robert's time, and Easter is very
important to it. It's a time that

605
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:59.559
really matters to Robert and to me
too. Curiously, of all the holidays,

606
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:04.400
it's my favorite, and it's also
his, and we were wondering if

607
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:09.679
circles would come, because often in
Holland they have started right around or right

608
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:17.400
on East weekend. And apparently on
Good Friday, something had preceded all of

609
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:21.960
this, and Robert knows what it
is, so let him tell you what

610
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:30.360
happened on Good Friday. First.
Yes, Good Friday is for me most

611
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:37.000
years and special day. For years. Now they are happening strange things then

612
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:45.679
around me. I found beautiful things
that that sometimes happening, and I get

613
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:57.199
very strong and a feeling I must
tell it better, I think so almost

614
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:06.360
going back a little bit in the
last weeks thirsday before, yes, yes,

615
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.960
yes, yes, I was also
a couple of days before, most

616
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:20.079
weeks before, I was thinking many
times on Sint Franciscos. He wasn't a

617
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:28.440
person mysticus a very long time ago
Sint Francis. Yes, yes, And

618
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:32.960
I was warning him so that the
reason was that he was loved animals very

619
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.239
strong, and that he was talking
with the animals and the animals was coming

620
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.960
by him and loved him, and
I was, I feel so strong love

621
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:51.719
to animals, and animals are so
sweet and so pure and so beautiful.

622
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:58.360
People can learn so many things from
animals, and I was I feel that

623
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:05.480
love from my nature to do them
while I was thinking many times out of

624
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:10.400
the blue on Saint Francis, and
I was not knowing the reason exactly from

625
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:17.000
it. And on the day before
Good Friday, I was sitting on my

626
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:23.559
motorbike and in one second the tears
was rolling out my eyes and I was

627
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:32.000
feel so strong the presence, the
energy and that sounds maybe very heavy minds,

628
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:38.599
feel very strong, the consciousness and
the love energy from Jesus on that

629
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:45.039
moment, from the message that he
was heavy with peace and that people must

630
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:52.400
have respect for each other. And
I was feel sort of tears that many

631
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:59.320
people forget it and don't pay attention
to their intuition and to their love,

632
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:06.000
and us feel so so pain,
so pain that many people don't acceptate this

633
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.679
laugh and it's very easy to acceptate
that. My dad, they have troubles

634
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:13.960
with it. And that was I
was feel the pain and that was coming

635
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.840
from an extra extra and factor that
was not for me. Mark coming out

636
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.960
I think another dimension. Can I
interrupt the minute when you said exercise,

637
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:30.679
you mean experience? Yes, yes, from out another dimensions? Yeah?

638
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.559
Okay, yes, yes, yes, and I was driving to my home

639
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:43.039
and I was go to to grunt
me and to to take to do easy

640
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:49.280
normal things. And and the day
when the day was coming from good Friday,

641
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.119
I was in the afternoon going with
my mother to the special fields where

642
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:58.760
I have seen the first crop circle
was forming. I was see that with

643
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.239
light bulbs usually years ago, and
that's throw me a very special place.

644
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:06.800
And I was there with my mother
and my mother was also asked in her

645
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.119
head she does not telling me that
for help for all the people on the

646
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:15.840
world, and then that are coming
more insights and more love. And I

647
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:21.400
was get that in my head that
she was asked yet, and I was

648
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.159
asking her that and she was yes, I was asked that. On that

649
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:28.000
moment, I was making pictures there, but I was coming nothing on the

650
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:34.599
pictures. And the energy was very
good. And I was there and the

651
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.239
sun was shining and it was good. And he was going to home.

652
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:45.199
And then I was put my camera
on the practice room and don't pay too

653
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:51.159
much attention to it, and don't
will too hurt too hard. That was

654
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:57.440
coming something on the picture. I
was mean, he's not trying to make

655
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.480
something come on the picture. He's
just letting things happen as they will.

656
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:07.639
Yes, exactly, I don't push
things. And I when uh the energy,

657
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.280
when the light of God, of
you, of how you will call

658
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:15.920
that, uh, then that the
will that there was something coming on the

659
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:19.559
picture, when the other dimensions will
that that it's good, you know.

660
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:25.159
And I let the nature go their
own way. And later in the evening,

661
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:30.159
I was coming on my practice room
and I was watching on the camera

662
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.960
and there was nothing to see,
and I was making on that moment shooting

663
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:44.480
pictures, and I was get in
my head very strong the message that Francisco,

664
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:52.079
since Francis energy was around me,
and that animals are the same.

665
00:55:54.679 --> 00:56:00.320
I say that the same importance as
the humans, and that they are they

666
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:06.239
living also forever in other dimensions.
They have also souls, and I know

667
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:12.880
that they are the same. They
have the same importance as sure. Sure,

668
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.199
and when you hurt an animal,
they can feel that and it is

669
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:21.360
very painful. And that they have
the same rights on this planet and also

670
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.280
on other planets. Maybe there are
many eco planets in the universe, but

671
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:30.400
also on this planet they have the
same rights the animal the life forms that

672
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:37.239
here are and I feel that very
strong, and that there's a very important

673
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:42.360
message for people that people don't think
that they are more than animals, that

674
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.960
that is very important that people realize
that and that they know that they have

675
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:52.079
also feelings. And I was making
more pictures and it was very beautiful and

676
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:58.079
you can see it also on the
Easter reports on the website from Nancy onless

677
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:02.880
moments when people were watching they can
see very sweet animals. And there was

678
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.920
of that moment when I was taking
pictures. They was coming on the camera

679
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:13.320
and I was jumping in the air
or was so happy, and most beautiful

680
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.679
animals was coming on the picture.
Sort of. There was one that looks

681
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:23.519
kind of like a cat, yes, some sort of a feline creature.

682
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:30.119
There was one that looked like a
little robin red breast right, yes,

683
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:36.599
yes, and then one like one
I saw. But I think I saw

684
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:38.960
a picture that you sent where it
looked like a or it's on the website

685
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.039
kind of wait wait, wait,
wait, wait, we're not there yet.

686
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:45.360
Wait a second, that we're talking
about Good Friday. And on Good

687
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:50.840
Friday, a man's face appeared that
maybe it's Saint Francis. Who knows,

688
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.840
because there were no photographs back then
and nobody is certain what say Francis looked

689
00:57:54.920 --> 00:58:00.000
like, but a man's face appeared. Then there were a number of pictures

690
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:04.239
that a whole bunch of them.
I didn't put them all in. That

691
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:08.199
looked kind of like figures of monks. Then there were some of the creatures

692
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:13.480
and one looks kind of like a
cat, one is a little bird like

693
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.039
a robin, and one there were
a whole bunch of these, but I

694
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:22.679
only put one in of a duck. Yeah, which, no, no,

695
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.440
no, no, no, no, we're not there yet. We're

696
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:29.760
not there. That was not on
Good Friday. That was that was later

697
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.400
later. Oh yeah, yes,
it was later, Yes, go for

698
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.840
it, yes, okay, I
was just going to say the swan.

699
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.679
What is interesting, especially with that
picture is the texture I mean in the

700
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.800
duck. Yeah, in or in
the duck. It's very strange. It

701
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:51.079
almost looks like, uh, kind
of the ectoplasmic ghost pictures. I mean,

702
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:55.599
it looks very interesting texture in that. And just as a sidelight here,

703
00:58:55.639 --> 00:59:01.119
you should know that for a couple
of weeks a duck, a local

704
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:07.199
duck in Holland, had taken up
some residents in Robert's garden. He was

705
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:12.880
enjoying the duck, but it was
going to make a nest and lay eggs,

706
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.719
and there is no place in the
garden for it to take its babies

707
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:20.880
to swim, and so it has
left the garden now to go and raise

708
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:24.119
its children. But at any rate, these pictures had all come and Robert

709
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:28.519
was tickled with them. Yeah,
and we kind of passed over because it

710
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:32.480
is pretty important, this image of
a man, and it is fairly clear,

711
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.239
with a mustache and a bald head, maybe some grayish hair maybe in

712
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.800
the background you can kind of see, but it looks like possibly a picture

713
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.639
of Saint Francis. Well who knows, because we don't really know what Saint

714
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:50.760
Francis looked like. But it certainly
is a very clear face of a man

715
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:58.519
with a bald head, and certainly
he could be Saint Francis. Anyhow,

716
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:06.280
after these pictures were taken, Okay, let me think I'm looking real quick

717
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:10.199
through the record. So yeah,
that was they Okay, yes, So

718
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:20.719
then I guess it was on the
Saturday night before Easter. The late that

719
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:27.039
night, this is like around midnight, just before Robert suddenly gets the feeling

720
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:31.360
that he gets this nervous kind of
energy he feels when a circle is actually

721
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:37.760
forming, and he knew it got
strong and strong and strong, and he

722
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:42.920
knew that it was happening. And
he called this lovely neighbor of his who

723
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.800
is a friend of his mother's,
who is also interested in the circles,

724
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:52.079
and she will drive Robert to the
fields at night. Robert never goes into

725
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:58.559
the fields alone at night, because
some people in Holland have said that he

726
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.880
was making the circles, and some
of the farmers have gotten angry, and

727
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:08.679
so Robert he simply does not ever
go into any field at night alone.

728
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:15.239
So he called Alan, and Ellen
came and did drive him. And Robert,

729
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:21.440
who wasn't exactly sure, No,
he was sure this night, he

730
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:22.840
knew where they were going. So
they get in the car and off they

731
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:29.480
head towards this field in near Woodenhead. And as they got close to the

732
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:36.199
field, Robert saw what I think
I understood, a white or perhaps slightly

733
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.480
yellow arc of a light of some
kind over one of the fields. Robert,

734
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:45.159
yes, exactly, yes, I
will see this exactly the field.

735
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:49.400
When I was at home, I
was starting very nervous, and I was

736
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:54.840
feel very strong that I must go
to that field. There was no very

737
01:01:54.960 --> 01:02:00.320
quick that I must go there and
I must call her a friend of me,

738
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.800
and she was driving me through the
field. Uh, and it's true.

739
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:09.039
I'm not go lonely to to get
also the proof that there is a

740
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:14.559
witness with me, that she can
also explain that I not make the circles.

741
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:20.519
And we was found. We was
there and it wasn't light white.

742
01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:27.480
I was usual white, yeah,
Aura, and can are all right?

743
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:37.000
Yes, yes, Aura also uh. And that was hanging half above the

744
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.360
field and I was when I was
walking in the field, I was foundain

745
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:50.079
very pretty, very sweet uh beautiful
uh formation in the grass and the energy

746
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:54.239
was very very sweet on this moment. It's a beautiful formation. It's one

747
01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:01.800
of the most complicated ones that happened
so far. And it's really very very

748
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:08.400
beautiful, all soft and fluffy in
the grasses. No footprints, no boardmarks,

749
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:14.400
nothing, just this beautiful, lovely
thing, which the pictures are all

750
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:20.480
in the report, which again is
at the bottom of Robert's homepage on the

751
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:27.960
BLT website just BLT research dot com. Forward slash Robert with two b's rb

752
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:31.239
b e r T forward slash.
You scroll down to the bottom, you'll

753
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:37.719
see the report. So he goes
to the field with Ellen and he feels

754
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:43.480
the sweet energy in the circle.
And he gets back in the nighttime around

755
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:47.199
three I think three thirty, and
called me to tell me about it.

756
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.400
And while he was telling me,
he told me about the pictures that had

757
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:59.559
happened on Good Friday. But by
this time his father had already taken those

758
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:04.679
photos, grasp off of the chip
and put them on Robert's father documents everything

759
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:10.519
on the computer and then he blanks
the chip and puts it back in the

760
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:15.079
camera so it's fresh and ready to
go. And Robert did not have any

761
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:21.719
of the pictures in his himself,
and all he could do was tell me

762
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:26.320
about them, and I got very
excited and I wanted to see them.

763
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:30.519
But his father was sound asleep at
this point. So it suddenly occurred to

764
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.440
Robert, I think this is the
first time. I think it's the first

765
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:38.400
time this ever did occur to you. I don't know, but he suddenly

766
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.480
said to me, wait a minute, I don't have to wait until my

767
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:46.599
father gets up. Why don't I
just ask if it's possible that the pictures

768
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:55.920
will come again? And darned if
they didn't right away. The monk like

769
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.079
figures came. This was you know
that night Easter night, how the light

770
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:06.360
ball images came. The little robin
came again, and the duck came again

771
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:13.199
many times, and the dearest little
creature came was this one. I'm calling

772
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:17.480
the chihuahua bunny, which I don't
know. I've never seen a chihuahua that

773
01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:21.400
looks like this, but some people
have told me now that there is a

774
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:27.159
chihuahua with great big ears like this. Yes, some of them do.

775
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:32.400
Some chihuahua's little heads and big ears
like that. Super cute. Yeah,

776
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:36.800
it's so cute. They are so
sweet. And when you're watching in the

777
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:44.039
ice and then your your heart is
melting. It's funny too. Because I'm

778
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.719
gonna have a carload of chihuahuas in
a little bit here. My mom went

779
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:50.000
out of ten. I gotta go
pick up her four chihuahuas and take her

780
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:58.360
to my house where I already so
I'm gonna have the house. Yeah to

781
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.400
earth. Oh yes, yes,
Oh, I love them. They're super

782
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.480
cute. They're really funny. Well, one of the things that I thought

783
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:13.679
was most important about this particular incident
is that Robert never has ever tried to

784
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:23.280
make anything happen. He only has
been receiving whatever wanted to come. And

785
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:28.679
this time he was amazed when he
asked that maybe, you know, if

786
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.840
it was possible, would they please
come again? And I don't know which

787
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:38.519
one of us was the most surprised
that they did come again. And I

788
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:42.719
don't think that's ever happened before,
has it? Robert? No? No,

789
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:48.400
then I will exactly. That's very
good. How you explain that.

790
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:54.079
I say all the time, thank
you when there is something happening, and

791
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:59.639
thank you that it is happening.
And I will not ask too much one

792
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:03.960
day give from from above so many
things that I say only thank you.

793
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:10.519
Ma. I was Nancy is working
so hard. She is a very good

794
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.280
friend of me. Is he working
for years for yeas for me? As

795
01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:18.280
you do, very strong her best, and you make beautiful reports that that

796
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:23.159
saved my name a little bit within
the Netherlands. I was getting lots of

797
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:30.280
critic not correct critic and see do
research and see can prove lots of things,

798
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:35.599
lots of evidence that it is real. And that's that's good for the

799
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:41.360
other dimension, that they get a
chance that people believe it. And I

800
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:45.400
was thinking, okay, that does
have a good reason to ask, maybe

801
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:49.719
over the wire coming back, and
when it's happening, then it's then it's

802
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:54.679
fine. When it's not happening,
that's okay. When I was asked and

803
01:07:54.840 --> 01:08:00.079
letter three and not pushing too much
or focus myself too much, and I

804
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:05.440
was feeling really easy. That was
also for me a surprised it was going

805
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:12.880
on the camera and yeah, that
was I was happy with it that Nancy

806
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.359
can get the pictures and see that, and it was coming a new image

807
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:27.840
from a very cute Yeah, are
you feeling then? Also the love for

808
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:32.640
the animals again, its external kind
of emotion. Yes, he was.

809
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:38.680
He was when whenever, when something
like this is happening, he can that's

810
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:43.560
exactly what he's feeling. And in
this case, it was this feeling about

811
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:51.640
the animals and how important that it
is for humans to take into consideration to

812
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:58.880
remember that animals do have feelings,
many of them have feelings very similar to

813
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:03.760
ours, and that they can suffer, and that we need to be more

814
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:12.640
conscious of this as and also just
more conscious generally, you know, of

815
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:17.920
all living things. He has.
The message that was getting very strong was

816
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.079
also and it was a very strong
message. I was here that very strong

817
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:30.560
in my head that people must first
learn to let every other life form on

818
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:35.560
this planet, on this very little
planet, living their own way and have

819
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:44.199
respect for it. And also humans
discriminate a lot. They discriminate people with

820
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:49.319
another color, with another culture.
And many people will have contact with extra

821
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:57.039
terrestrial life, and they are very
well know of there is life on other

822
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:01.000
planets. Sure there is life on
other planets. And but they must first

823
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:09.159
try to have respect for the other
life forms on this planet planet before they

824
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:15.319
coming in contact with life forms from
other planets. They discriminate each other very

825
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:23.119
dead every day, and when they
have contact with with with creatures from other

826
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:29.680
planets, they discriminate them. Also
they look different, they have other they

827
01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:34.920
have maybe also our culture. They're
living in another way. And and that's

828
01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:42.560
a very important message becoming closer and
closer by that that it is possible to

829
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:47.760
get contact with with life forms from
other planets. That's also possible maybe fe

830
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:56.159
the UFL wave, also scientific with
the telescope that we have, the scientific

831
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.680
research the satellites, that the RI
is coming maybe single and that's the risks

832
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:06.680
coming communication. And we must people
must learn we we we are more modern

833
01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:12.479
and modern and get more technical things
that that it's coming closer to us.

834
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:18.000
And yeah, people most frustly learn
on this little planet to have respect for

835
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.960
each other, and you know when
there is coming more. And that's that's

836
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:27.680
a very important message. That's also
in the world. Can we expect to

837
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:35.079
get along with or be welcoming or
have any sort of positive interaction with creatures,

838
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:41.640
lifeforms, beings whatever they are from
somewhere else if you can't even respect

839
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.960
each other, right, Yes,
Yeah, that was basically the very strong

840
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:50.000
message that Robert was getting. Yeah, I love this story also because I'm

841
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:55.359
a big animal. Ever I'm a
vegetarian, so I just love that the

842
01:11:56.079 --> 01:12:01.119
whole h this particular incident and now
more circles came in the few days after

843
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:05.920
that. I want to make a
point about one because this was something else,

844
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:12.199
totally unique that has happened. The
second circle, the next circle to

845
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:18.239
happen, and people can see the
details about these circles on the Crop Circle

846
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:25.079
connector that is the big website in
England, and if they click on World

847
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:30.079
the International Circles and then scroll down
to the Netherlands, they will see all

848
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:33.520
the pictures about these next several circles
that we'll have about two. We'll have

849
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:39.920
these on the YouTube video for this
and okay, well, the second one

850
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:45.239
occurred just a few days later,
the night of April twenty eight, twenty

851
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:53.399
ninth, and let me see,
I don't even know what's oh here.

852
01:12:53.560 --> 01:13:00.039
Okay again, Robert told me he
had this very strong intuition that another circle

853
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:05.680
was getting ready to form somewhere near
him, and he kept seeing what he

854
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:12.119
told me was a large circle with
three smaller circles around it, but he

855
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:16.159
was not at all sure where it
was going to be. He waited and

856
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:21.319
waited for this information to come,
but finally it was too strong the feeling,

857
01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:26.319
and so even though he didn't know
where, he called Ellen again,

858
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:30.720
and she again came around midnight on
the night of the twenty eighth to pick

859
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.880
him up. And he told me
that the minute he sat in her car,

860
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:41.399
he saw exactly where they were to
drive, and they did. They

861
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:45.640
drove to this nature preserve, which
is not too far away on the edge

862
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:49.439
of Hooven, and when they got
there, sure enough, there was a

863
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:56.880
formation in the field. Now,
apparently Ellen chose to stay up on the

864
01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:01.720
dike rather than mash the grasses.
Robert went down into the field a little

865
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:08.479
bit, not very far, and
felt the energy and reported to me that

866
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:15.119
he felt a tingling on his skin. He said, he said he felt

867
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:21.239
the formation was a functional one,
that it was had healing energies. He

868
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:26.880
could hear the cows in the field
in the next field over, they were

869
01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:32.439
bellowing and making noise. He could
hear dogs barking and noises which sounded like

870
01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:40.720
wild pigs grunning in the woods as
a big woods right there. The two

871
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:44.760
of them stayed there, It's not
quite I'm not quite sure exactly how long

872
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:50.199
that half an hour or so,
and then something amazing happened. Both Robert

873
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:56.600
and Ellen saw something. Tell what
you saw, Robert, Yes, yes,

874
01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:00.760
exactly if you were standing there and
in one from the satellites circles,

875
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:05.000
in the small circles, I mean
around the bigger circle. In one circle

876
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:11.960
was coming light out of ground.
He was glowing. And I was see

877
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.159
it first, and I was telling
to Ellen. She was buying me as

878
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:20.680
she was seeing also, and I
was thinking maybe I will see it psychic

879
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:29.159
only she was also see it.
This was really very real light that you

880
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:31.920
both saw your eyes. Yes,
yes, it was was physical in this

881
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:38.520
dimension and yes, it was very
strange. We will seeing it both that

882
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:45.159
the light was coming out the circle
out of ground and the circle was glowing.

883
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:49.560
And I'm happy that she was also
see it. That makes it easier.

884
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:56.279
And the most time a day was
it. This is about twelve thirty

885
01:15:56.439 --> 01:16:00.319
one o'clock in the morning by now, during the middle of the nighthood can

886
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.960
Yeah, so the circle, the
glow is clear as a bell. You've

887
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:08.119
got to pitch black dark field.
It's a nature preserved there no houses,

888
01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:12.720
no lights, nothing, And the
circle that was glowing was clear as a

889
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.720
bell, you know, in the
middle of the field. And you got

890
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:20.600
a sense. This one was about
healing. He's that's what he told me,

891
01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:25.520
healing the earth inside. He thought. I mean, I gotta read

892
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:29.520
what each of these is different,
and I write down exactly what he tells

893
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:34.479
me. He said he had the
feeling that this was a functional this was

894
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:39.640
a business like formation. It had
a job to do, and it was

895
01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:45.720
healing the ground in this place.
Yes, yes, yes, exactly so

896
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:57.880
in the round and also puts in
your in the lay lines a more upduilds

897
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:09.560
enochy and consciousness, more growing up
consciousness that's going more into collective minds from

898
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:15.800
the people that they grow more,
and yes, that they can grow more.

899
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:21.399
And that was also also grounds very
physical for moder Well, something else

900
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:26.359
you told me was that you said, during the ten minutes that you were

901
01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:32.079
watching this glowing circle, you Robert, felt that you were being given a

902
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:40.439
message that many more soul groups or
light beings are coming to Earth now from

903
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:47.319
interplanetary places, from other dimensions,
that they are coming to help humans to

904
01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:55.720
get this greater awareness, you know, in preparation for actually meeting eventually.

905
01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:02.840
Yes, yes, exactly, that
there is that also planets, other eco

906
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:11.439
planets, in other star system solar
systems, that they coming more in levels

907
01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.720
with each other. It's also more
in contact with each other. That there

908
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:25.239
is coming more complete, complete collective
consciousness. Yes, uh huh. Then

909
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:30.840
there were within within not very many
days, I guess a week later now

910
01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:35.319
there have been two more. And
each of these, Alejandro is getting progressively

911
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:45.159
more complicated. Yeah, more apples, pretty and different circles, lattice circles

912
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:53.079
and swirls. Isn't it interesting also
that although there have been several thousands of

913
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:58.520
crop circles around the world now in
the last thirty years, that none of

914
01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:03.399
them look exactly we arelike and that
these that are in these more complex events

915
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:10.960
which are occurring around Robert now,
although they are definitely much more complex than

916
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:15.760
in the past, they don't look
like any other circles anywhere. Yeah,

917
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:20.680
they're very individual, They're very pretty
and elaborate, and they have their own

918
01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:27.680
different quality to them. Yes they
do, Yes, yes, yes they

919
01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:31.479
do, and then nay. The
ninth, this next one appeared. Robert's

920
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:38.680
birthday was the seventh, and on
the eighth he and his friends Roy and

921
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:43.399
Stan had been out celebrating, and
when they got home around eleven o'clock,

922
01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:48.800
shortly after Robert was dropped off,
he again had this feeling, you know,

923
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:55.640
that something's going on. And God
bless Ellen because she gets a lot

924
01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:00.840
of calls in the middle of the
night. But she came again, and

925
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:08.000
off they went to where was this
field? I have to look and read

926
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:12.760
and see where. Oh this is
Houven Okay, and off they went to

927
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:16.600
this one. And this was interesting
because when they arrived at this field,

928
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:23.680
it was where these circles had Some
circles had already appeared. These new circles

929
01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:30.479
were farther away into the field and
Ellen and Robert both then experienced and this

930
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:38.319
is a physical experience, this time
a very strong rotating energy. In fact,

931
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:44.960
they became dizzy and even slightly nauseated. Yes, exactly, yes.

932
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:51.399
And this time again it wasn't just
Robert experiencing this, it was Ellen also.

933
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:58.760
Sometimes when Ellen is with Robert,
she will see some of the things

934
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:03.760
that he sees, but usually she
doesn't. And this year she has been

935
01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:11.399
hoping that she would actually see more
things, not scary things because she doesn't

936
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.399
want to be scared, but more
things to give her confidence, you know.

937
01:21:16.399 --> 01:21:21.199
And in fact she is now,
she's already she saw the blowing light

938
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:27.119
and it kept blowing. They finally
were too tired and they left, and

939
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.720
when they left, the circle was
still glowing. Yes, they left it.

940
01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:36.239
Yes, yes, that's very strange. And the next time they go

941
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:41.880
and this time they've got this rotating
energy. And you did say, Robert,

942
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:47.760
that you felt, you said very
strong that the reason people experience such

943
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:55.439
strong physical effects when the energy is
present is because it is coming from a

944
01:21:55.680 --> 01:22:00.159
very big consciousness. Yes exactly,
yes, very big. That's that's that's

945
01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:08.479
that's that's that's it's it's the energy, very it's they are coming out the

946
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:15.199
rooms, out the space, wrom
the hunique creator, very strong, very

947
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:20.439
it's coming right to the point from
your soul, and it's it's a very

948
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:30.399
transformats power. It's it's it's the
consciousness. This sort of consciousness is coming

949
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.680
by the most people when the body
is dead, when you're coming in the

950
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:40.560
other dimension of life after the death. Yeah, then then it's coming more.

951
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:45.319
This sort of consciousness. Man,
it shows themselves. Not many times

952
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:51.640
when people live on earth, they
sleeping for a big part. And that's

953
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:58.239
man, we're living in a time
that that's more open. And the words

954
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:02.840
you said in English exactly as people
listening can tell Roberts English. You can

955
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.279
understand what he says, but sometimes
a few of the words are a little

956
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:12.720
funny in English. Exactly what he
said to me that night was people are

957
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:19.159
sitting now in a mystical revolution,
and the phenomenals around me, the energies

958
01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:26.000
around him, are working to help
us all feel and hear in a totally

959
01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:31.359
new way. Wow. Yes,
yes, we're sitting in a mystical revolution.

960
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:35.680
I love that bit. Yeah,
that's great. Now we're running out

961
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:42.960
of time, unfortunately, And there
was one more circle on that twelve Yes,

962
01:23:43.039 --> 01:23:45.680
there was there was another one in
grasses, the great, big,

963
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:50.359
huge one with a spiral in it, and lots of little circles, and

964
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:56.840
you know, I think if people
can read the details, I post them

965
01:23:56.920 --> 01:24:02.319
right away on the Crop Circle Connector
in the Internet National section under Netherlands.

966
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:10.439
And when there's something unusual like the
glowing circle, we take samples and everything

967
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:14.000
and we'll do a write up on
that for the BLT site. But we

968
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:15.920
have to wait until we've done all
the work, you know. But the

969
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:20.000
rest of them will put up very
quickly on the Netherlands site, so that

970
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:25.319
if more comes up this summer,
which it looks like it's going to be

971
01:24:25.399 --> 01:24:28.600
a busy summer, that we get
them up there as quickly as we can

972
01:24:28.680 --> 01:24:31.359
on the Crop Circle Connector. So
far, I think your area in Holland

973
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:36.800
here has been busier than England,
it has this year, and with pretty

974
01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:42.760
your circles too. Yeah, they've
got a close start and they were ramping

975
01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:46.279
up for their tourists crop circle season, but so they start thus far.

976
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.560
But you've got a lot of great
beautiful ones, and there's been, you

977
01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:55.880
know, a really magnificent one that
just come in Indonesia. I'm sure you

978
01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:00.640
saw that too, and Mexico had
an interesting one, so I didn't see

979
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.119
that. Maybe they're spreading out all
around the world. Yeah, spreading that,

980
01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:09.520
sharing the love there, sharing the
wealth a little bit for everybody.

981
01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:12.960
Thank you so much for having us
out a hundred. Thank you. Was

982
01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.920
there any part words, Robert,
something you wanted to share you felt maybe

983
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:26.000
that is important? Yes, I
will thank you that you you talk with

984
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:31.760
us on your radio show and that
you will take the work from Nancy serious.

985
01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:38.560
Am I experience serious? And I
will say to people, believe what

986
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:44.000
you see, believe what you feel, and that it is very important for

987
01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:49.239
people that they know that life has
reasons how difficult it is, and that

988
01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:59.760
we when we give each other each
other the hands and we will take care

989
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:04.840
for of each other and will bring
love, then we can make a better

990
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:11.439
world. And I still believe in
it. And maybe it's not for us

991
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:15.960
generation, we can work and when
we believe in something, than it's possible.

992
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:23.239
Robert, you said that you know
kind of being prepared to make contact.

993
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:29.319
Do you feel then that the math
is more people will be able to

994
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:34.960
interface with these other entities soon?
Yes, yes, yes, I'm sure

995
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:41.800
when people take the first thing that's
coming up in their minds many times,

996
01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:45.279
and what they feel, not what
they think, and what they feel takes

997
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:50.560
serious. Then they are doors opening
for them and then they that change life,

998
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:58.640
and that makes life lots easier.
Yes, so all we got to

999
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.760
do is love each other people.
How hard can that be? Love each

1000
01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:10.159
other and love the animals. Isn't
that easy and wonderful? And then we

1001
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:14.439
all we won't need to go any
more where for the rapture because it'll all

1002
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:18.199
happen here and we'll have heaven on
earth and it's just gonna be wonderful if

1003
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:23.079
we let it be that way.
Come on, listen to the message.

1004
01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.920
So that was a lot of fun. I really thank Robert and Nancy for

1005
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:30.840
coming on the show. Really,
I think this stuff is terribly interesting.

1006
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:33.399
I really like this guy. Of
course I always said I like everybody,

1007
01:27:33.720 --> 01:27:39.039
but you know, it just seems
a genuine nice guy. And of course

1008
01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:43.840
he gets a lot of points here
at Open Minds for saying nice things about

1009
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:49.720
the animals. But oblt research dot
com is where you go to see all

1010
01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:55.800
of this stuff, and the material
Crop Circle Connector always has the latest crop

1011
01:27:55.840 --> 01:28:01.199
circles and Nancy sends the crop circles. She comes across there immediately. Also,

1012
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:05.680
that's pretty much the hub for crop
circles, and those are the two

1013
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:11.399
places you can go. So next
week, next week, we're actually taking

1014
01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:15.000
the time off, but we are
going to have a show. What I'm

1015
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:19.199
gonna do is I've got this two
hour interview with Darryl Simms, the Alien

1016
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:24.319
Hunter. And of course if you
saw it, I can't remember what Comedy

1017
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:28.800
Central show it's called, but they
made fun of Daryl Simms the Alien Hunter.

1018
01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:33.119
But he's a really interesting guy.
I did this interview like five years

1019
01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:35.800
ago or something like that. I
kind of dug it out of my archives,

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but it's not one that I've shown
on that played on the show or

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over the podcast yet. So since
we're gonna be out of here, we're

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gonna be taking the day off like
everybody else. I'm pre programming list to

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play on Monday, and it'll be
just a two hour interview with Darryl Simms,

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the Alien Hunter. He's been studying
abductions for decades. In fact,

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he's the one you discovered that scoop
marks Floress under black Light. We'll be

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talking about that, we'll talk about
his personal experiences which are very interesting,

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and we'll talk about his background in
UH. He has training as a police

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officer in the military investigative work,
and he brings that alte bear on the

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abduction research and he doesn't like these
little gray fellows. I'll tell you,

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weren't you of that right now?
So if you feel similarly, you can

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listen to the show and you'll love
it. But maybe they just need some

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love too. Thanks for listening to
Open Minds Radio. Don't forget to visit

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Openminds dot tv for more UFO news, and we will talk to you next

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week. People, Tou tou to
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