WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:08.119 You know, I've always questioned the biblical angels that come to help or threatened 2 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:13.640 us. Who can think of Gabriel or Michael or Lucifer the fallen Angel. 3 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:18.719 But in today's program, we're going to look at an historical group of angels 4 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:23.559 who came and assisted not only the figures in the Bible, but have been 5 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:30.920 documented in their interactions with different kings and other important people down through the ages. 6 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:37.000 Are these beings on a realm close to the human physical experience, some 7 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:41.880 realm that we are born into, and these beings are here to help. 8 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:48.920 Today's program is the Ancient tradition of Angels with my returning guest Normandy Ellis. 9 00:00:50.159 --> 00:01:27.879 All this and more today on Earth Ancients for Saturday, May six, twenty 10 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:36.079 twenty three. This is Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning. 11 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.040 Hey, Hi, how are you. I hope you're doing well on this 12 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:51.799 Saturday. Welcome to Earth Ancients. When we talk about angels, we can 13 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:57.920 immediately go to the Bible and other religious traditions and think of these beings as 14 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:08.479 these winged creatures who are summoned by the Lord God Yaoi and other religious traditions 15 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:15.759 have names for their gods but today we're going to talk about the possibility that 16 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:21.479 these beings come from a dimension that is aligned with our own, and not 17 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:27.639 only do they come to assist us, they come to present lessons, they 18 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:35.039 come to in many ways help us live this human existence. Now, it's 19 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:38.719 funny because when you think of angels, you don't really think of anything other 20 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:45.759 than the winged creatures. But there is evidence and there are reports of beings 21 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:53.039 that are considered angels who are able to pass through into our dimension and then 22 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:59.400 back into wherever they're located. There hasn't really been a study that I have 23 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:07.159 found where research was conducted to discover where the beings known as angels come from. 24 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:14.879 If it is a trick of light. No one's really substantiated angels until 25 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:22.319 my program today, and we're talking with somebody who has done some significant research 26 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:28.680 and written a book on ancient traditions of angels right up to the present time. 27 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:36.800 And I'm fascinated in this topic simply because as somebody who is a regular 28 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:45.599 meditator who follows some of the Hindu traditions like yoga. I'm just mentioned meditation. 29 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:53.240 These other realms are places that are you're able to contact and move into 30 00:03:53.879 --> 00:04:00.479 if you're interested in that. I haven't been really interested in angels, although 31 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:04.960 I've had as a program director over the years people who have written extensively about 32 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:10.759 angels, and I would say up to, oh, I don't know, 33 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:15.319 five or six years ago, the angel phenomenon was pretty strong. People were 34 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:21.279 communing with their angels. There were people who changed their names from their birth 35 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:26.839 name to given angel names, and I think it gets kind of crazy at 36 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:33.079 that point, but there is something about this that is significant, and there 37 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:39.120 are reports of people calling to their angels in times of distress. Again, 38 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:45.040 if you're a religious person, you may have been taught that that angels come 39 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:54.120 in all shapes and sizes and experiences. But we don't have and this is 40 00:04:54.120 --> 00:05:00.399 what's interesting about today's program. We don't really have an understanding of the different 41 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.920 levels of angels. We know that there's major angels like Michael and Gabriel and 42 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:10.120 of course Luther, the fallen angels, and we've got to be careful not 43 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:15.879 to fall into the Nephelim, the fallen angels, who are featured in a 44 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.360 number of different authors works, and then we can also cross into the Zecharia 45 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.959 Sitchen Nephelim, which is a whole different animal, so we got to be 46 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:31.759 careful on that one. But today we are going to discuss the historical interactions 47 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:41.759 between angelic beings and in question, if these beings are part of our physical 48 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:48.360 reality, how did they get there, What is the basis of their interaction. 49 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:55.199 Is there a hierarchy of these beings, and how do they fall within 50 00:05:55.319 --> 00:06:00.600 the human condition? Do we? I mean, because some people report that 51 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:04.920 there are angels around us all the time, that there are angels that are 52 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:11.959 assigned to us, and they are there for you to call when you need 53 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.920 comfort, when you need guidance. We've had some people on this program who 54 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:24.680 confess that they have called into the angelic realm for support, for help when 55 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:30.199 they are not well, for help and decision making. So that's kind of 56 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.399 interesting when you think of it like that. They're not just there to call 57 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:41.560 when you're having a problem. Perhaps they're there to attend to questions of important 58 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:47.040 questions, decision making, lifestyle, so forth, and so on. So 59 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:51.879 there's a great deal to consider when we start talking about angels. So today's 60 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:57.959 program is with my guest author Norman d Ellis, and we've had Norman d 61 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:03.199 on the number of times. She has chronicled a number of ancient historical events, 62 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:10.720 and we had her previously talking about ancient Egyptian traditions, oral traditions, 63 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.639 and the new book that she's written is called The Ancient Traditions of Angels, 64 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:29.920 The Power and Influence of Sacred Messengers. 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For more information and details 74 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:28.759 on this tour, go to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours and we'll 75 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.440 see the entire itinerary and more details. This is a one of a kind 76 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:39.919 tour with doctor ed Barnhart and Yours Truly. For more information, Earth Ancients 77 00:08:39.960 --> 00:09:35.600 dot Com, forward slash Tours. I would say I have had a fascination 78 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:41.000 with angels for a while, and I've always wondered what are angels? Where 79 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:48.039 did they come from? There's always a religious connotation when you speak of angels, 80 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.200 and I guess that's a little bit of a problem for me. I'm 81 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.279 not a religious person. I was raised a Protestant, and angels are discussed 82 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:03.480 in the Bible, and the pastor and friends would talk about angels, but 83 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.120 I guess I don't really know a great deal about them until now. My 84 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:13.440 guest today has written a book on angels called The Ancient Tradition of Angels, 85 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:20.919 The Power and Influence of Sacred Messengers, and we have with us today Norman 86 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:24.720 d Ellis. She is a prolific writer. I think we had her on 87 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:31.320 a couple of years ago, maybe sooner, speaking on traditions in Egypt. 88 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.919 But this is a very important book on a number of levels, simply because 89 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.279 it doesn't simply get into the spiritual side of it and quote the Bible and 90 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:50.519 give us a pathway into understanding them through biblical texts. It actually is much 91 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.519 much more serious than that, and it gets into historical references in different parts 92 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:03.039 of the world on just how they perceive angels. And what makes this book 93 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:11.759 also quite interesting is Normandy presents her own encounters with angels. So this is 94 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:13.879 gonna be a fun show. So hey, Normandy, welcome back to Earth 95 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:18.360 Ancients. Great to see you. Great to see you too, Thanks for 96 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:24.559 having me back. All right, you opened the book, and I have 97 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:33.200 to say, you present a story of your belief that an angel was there 98 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:39.799 when your daughter was conceived. Oh yeah, And I was thinking really uh, 99 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.799 And then I have to I have to say that I had a similar 100 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.759 situation, but it wasn't at the conception of my son, but at the 101 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.440 time my wife and I were thinking of having a child, and it was 102 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:03.240 very mystical and very strange, and it felt like there was a presence around 103 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.000 us for a period of time. And then it's funny that because I was 104 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.720 reading this, reviewing your book again and thinking and going wow, that kind 105 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:15.600 of reminds me of my situation. Why did you think it was an angel 106 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:24.600 that made me think it was an angel. Yeah, I guess I thought 107 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:30.120 in retrospect it was an angel. At the time, I just thought there 108 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:37.600 was some vibration, some music that was following us the retail, and you 109 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:39.200 know, at first I thought it was coming from one of the houses where 110 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.679 we had passed on our walk, and it just kept following us. It 111 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:48.000 followed us through the whole town. Wow, and that was beautiful, and 112 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:54.000 I thought, where where's that coming from? You know, And and anyway, 113 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.960 so that was the night that she was conceived, and it was later, 114 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:05.480 oh gosh, some sometime later, you know, Um, I had 115 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:13.679 a dream about angelic beings standing over this huge caltron of the world and creating 116 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:20.639 uh, I guess you would say astrological constellations like planets and square and planets 117 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.919 conjunct and you know, planets in this in particular sign. And so I 118 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:30.000 was helping them make this plate, you know, putting them all together, 119 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:35.080 and the angels I said, who, that looks like a really interesting chart. 120 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.279 That person's going to like got some really big work to do, and 121 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:48.720 the angels go, yeah, so jump in. Yes. So it was 122 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:54.080 like I kind of put that dream of my own conception. I'll say, 123 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.799 into what was happening with Elena, and I was hearing the music of the 124 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:05.759 spheres. I think I was just hearing these things moving around me, vibrations, 125 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:11.000 tones, And that's what angels are to me. They are constructions of 126 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:20.440 vibrations and tones and energies that move around us and take form. I wanted 127 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.919 to I wanted to ask you, and you work with in traditions of various 128 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.320 ancient people. You write about the initiation and traditions of Egyptians and so forth 129 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:37.720 and so on, would you say that the incarnation of a physical being like 130 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:43.600 yourself, like us here on Earth, is in one realm, and then 131 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:54.360 the angelic realm is connected in some way. In other words, if we're 132 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.919 on this physical realm, but we also have if we understand our ancient spiritual 133 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:05.360 roots, that there is a physical and then there's these uric fields that are 134 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.679 around us, and then perhaps there's other levels of consciousness that are written about. 135 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:15.440 Did the angels fall into that area somewhere? Yeah? I think they 136 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:20.840 do. I think that. Uh. I think it was meister Eckhart who 137 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.679 said, that's all an angel is an idea of God, you know. 138 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:35.279 So it's it's a it's a level of consciousness UM that expands down to us 139 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.600 because we are also levels of consciousness. Although we have free will, all 140 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:43.960 light is a level of consciousness. So we and the angels are of the 141 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:54.320 same, are kindred spirits in a way. Yeah yeah, so so on 142 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:02.639 some level we incarnate from a soul or spared into a physical body. Where 143 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:07.879 does the angel fall? How? How do we understand? Is their writing 144 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:15.120 about the incarnation of an angel or are they always present? I believe they're 145 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:23.440 always present. That each human soul has its own, what they would say 146 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:30.440 in the East ishtadvata, their own personal angel, their own personal divinity that 147 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:40.639 guards them and protects them. It cannot keep us from exerting our own free 148 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:45.639 will. But we don't always do what our angels want us to do, 149 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:49.039 you know, And a lot of times we want to do stuff that's not 150 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:53.279 good for us. So the angels will kind of try to manipulate things around 151 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:59.559 so that that doesn't happen, you know, or give us the message that 152 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:06.079 idea, you know. But I think it's um. I think that there 153 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:11.440 there are a level of consciousness that is permeating the entire universe, all of 154 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:18.200 them, and that they are like a little uh if we could think of 155 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.359 it on a molecular scale, they're you know, they're like molecules and atoms 156 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.759 that are part of a larger body. Interesting. You know, it's funny 157 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.640 because I was thinking you in many ways, you've written a science of angels, 158 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.039 the scientific approach to them, who they are, in many ways, 159 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:42.519 how they function in this book, the ancient tradition of angels. It's fascinating 160 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:52.480 that the Bible is so filled with angelic contact. You know, What's was 161 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.559 it that people at the time that the Bible is written, and of course 162 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:03.559 it's gone through just various iterations and version. Was it was it that people 163 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:10.000 were more sensitive to the asiatic presence in the u during the time of the 164 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:15.400 figures of the Bible or what? Well, that's a good question. I 165 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:22.319 mean, I'm sure it's it's because of a prevalence of a belief in angels 166 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:27.680 that come to us through um, you know, like the Zoroastrians and and 167 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:33.079 folks like that, through the Egyptians. I wouldn't exactly say they called them 168 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:38.000 angels, but they had spirit beings, winged spirit beings, UM. And 169 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:45.960 I believe the UH the Jewish tradition was likewise with many many angels. You 170 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.799 find so many more angels in the Old Testament than you do in the New 171 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:55.240 Testament. And the reason for that, so I was told, was that 172 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:03.000 Jesus was to become the fulfillment of the prophecies of the angels, and so 173 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:08.279 there are fewer angels that are doing things, but he seems also to be 174 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:15.799 surrounded by them at various times in various stories. Yeah, yeah, let's 175 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:21.440 get into it. What is an angel? What in your definition? Uh? 176 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.200 Where do they fall? What? What I mean? We'll talk about 177 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:32.559 what their function is, but what is a What is an angel? Well, 178 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:36.079 I'll go back to what meister Eckhart said. It's an idea of God. 179 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.240 You know, it's God's idea. Uh, it's his messenger. It's 180 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:48.240 a messenger that comes from the Creator. So the great cosmic essence being whatever 181 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.160 you want to call it, you know, He she him it. They. 182 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.000 Um, you know, maybe they because in the Bible it says God 183 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:00.119 says we have made them like us when he used to talking about people. 184 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:08.519 So maybe it's a they. But I believe that angels are the way that 185 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:18.319 the universe communicates with itself. It's it's like they're messengers. But when you're 186 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.359 sleeping, you have messengers in your sleep that come to you. We don't 187 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.279 always call them angels, but there are beings from the spirit world that come 188 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:37.079 and tell us things and scare us away from certain paths. And yeah, 189 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:42.200 so I think that's more or less what they are. That there's their thought 190 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:49.559 forms that the Body of God has created for us. We have to consider 191 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:55.319 stretch our minds a bit to consider that we are also the body of God. 192 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.720 You know that we are as much as the angels are. We are 193 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:07.440 the body of God. We're particularly different species because so they say we have 194 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.279 free will and the angels do not read that in your book, I was 195 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:21.000 like, why would why would the creator manifest a being or beings and not 196 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:26.160 allow them to have free will? Well, hey, some good question. 197 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:34.759 There's something about the servitude. It's like, okay, you are an angel, 198 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.599 and we're got in a second here ask you about the function of an 199 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:45.400 angel. But it's almost like you are in servitude to these physical beings on 200 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:49.160 the planet of Earth, and so because you're in servitude, you're not allowed 201 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:55.640 to have free will. Right, It's almost like that's almost like what it's 202 00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:00.400 all about. But that's just curious. We're God's science experiment. Well that's 203 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:08.759 really interesting. That's a fascinating fact that we would be an experiment. Um. 204 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:15.119 What what are the functions of an angel? What they are a creation 205 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:22.599 of h Yeah, they're made to so they say, they're made to worship 206 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:29.720 God, to announce God's presence in the world. They're made as messengers, 207 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:36.119 um, so to give us a clue as to what God's will might be 208 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:41.079 in a particular area. And they are also if God says this is what 209 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:48.400 I need to have happened, you know, like uh, sorry Adam and 210 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.480 Eve, but you got to leave the garden. The angels are gonna you 211 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.359 know, take care of that as well. So they do three things to 212 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:04.400 my understanding. Interesting, and you know we hear about the angel protectors, 213 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:12.599 the angel messengers. Um, there's even um stories of warrior angels. I'm 214 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:21.960 not sure you probably know the specific names of these angels, but they all 215 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.200 have names and personalities. It sounds like right, there are like the ninety 216 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:33.920 nine names of God, although there are many many more than nine. They 217 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.000 are and ask each angle in aspect of God. You know, it's like, 218 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:45.599 Um, God's fire, God's h warmth, God's beginning, God's ending. 219 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:52.960 You know. He's like, yeah, So the angels have names that 220 00:23:53.359 --> 00:24:00.440 are healers. Uh, you know that are all the capacities that we need 221 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:07.440 for angelic beings on, you know, to help us keep earth going. 222 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:15.319 Okay, So, as a as a servitude being, would you say that 223 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:22.519 they are assigned to individuals when you call on them? Or are they assigned 224 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:27.759 to groups like a family or how does how do they function in terms of 225 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:34.960 the servitude? Well, I think I think it's hard for us who are 226 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:41.519 physical entities to think of them as non entities, but they are. They 227 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:47.759 are a conglomerate of energies. An angel is a conglomerate of energies, a 228 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:55.240 conglomerate of consciousness. It's like the molecules that make up gold. There's more 229 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:57.960 than one molecule. So you can have a molecule of gold, and I 230 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:02.559 can have a molecule gold and it can still be the same gold and doing 231 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.440 the same thing that gold does. Um. So that's how the angels work. 232 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:17.599 They're they're part of a sort of like their quantum. It's the best 233 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:23.200 way to explain them their quantum. Okay, that's deascinating. You mentioned a 234 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:30.880 hierarchy of angels, and there's a number of famous biblical angels that like Michael 235 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:40.759 and a whole series of names. Um, if there's these major angels, 236 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:47.839 what are they like overlords or demi goddess or are they like generals? How 237 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:52.640 do we how do we characterize these these these noted angels. I think they've 238 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:59.559 always been described as as part of God's army, whatever that means, you 239 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.920 know, because we're used to thinking of it, and in that term, 240 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:08.519 the hierarchical ways that they're looked at. I mean, I don't know that 241 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.240 a hierarchy of top to bottom is the way that we should look at them, 242 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.359 because in that case, the arcane just would be closer to the bottom 243 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:22.839 than they would be to the top. But there are Cherubim and Seraphim and 244 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.400 oh my gosh, there's like nine levels of angels. Some are are just 245 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:36.319 whirling wheels of light. Some of them are eyes, you know, some 246 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:41.640 of them have multitudinous wings, so they say, you know, eight to 247 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.160 twelve to ten, some are burning, some are you know, there's the 248 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:49.279 thrones, the virtues, the you know. I mean, I'm not all 249 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:55.599 steeped up on my Catholic unless I'm reading it from But there's a whole bunch 250 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.599 of them, you know, Seraphim, Cherubim, the thrones, the virtues, 251 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:07.200 and then down at the bottom there's the archangels and then the angels just 252 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:17.960 the regular day to day personal feeling angels. M fascinating. So the yeah, 253 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:25.480 so the archangels are are They're the closest thing that we can identify as 254 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.720 angelic with wings and human form and you know that kind of thing. Um, 255 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.359 And whether that's what they look like or not, I have no idea. 256 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:40.119 You do mention that you've had a sense of them being in your presence, 257 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:45.599 like flashes of light and perhaps a feeling or a pressure on your like 258 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:51.880 they're touching your shoulder or something like that. Um. The classic sense of 259 00:27:51.920 --> 00:28:00.279 an angel as a being in long swathing clothes and and wings. Is that 260 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:07.759 a good approximation or have there been over the centuries different views of them in 261 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:14.640 terms of their appearance? Well, there are different views and in terms of 262 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:23.079 their appearance, like the Islamic angels have more of a fiery aspect to them. 263 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:33.920 Okay, they're more flame oriented. The the Devatas of the Eastern tradition 264 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:38.240 don't really have wings, but they have these long flowing robes that just seem 265 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:42.200 to float in the air, you know, and that's what carries them up. 266 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:47.440 So again, it's a perception, you know, of how we see 267 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:52.920 the angels. Okay, let's talk a little bit about their abilities. They 268 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:59.440 seem to be, you know, somewhat demigoddish in a way of being able 269 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.880 to make things happened. Uh, they going to be in a protective mode. 270 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:12.480 What do we know about their the their abilities? Um? They you 271 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:19.400 know, the stories that we have of angels that Okay, I want to 272 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:26.039 I want to tell a story about Eliezer ben Judah of worms. He was 273 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:33.880 the Jewish rabbi that was kind of responsible for figuring out who all these angels 274 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.480 were and was like a precursor to John Dee. Okay, So he had 275 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:45.759 he had this angelic code of light that he would use to speak with angels. 276 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:52.200 He would write them letters. He saw them all as part of gamatria, 277 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.720 you know, or numbers and geometry, and that's the way that he 278 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.039 perceived them. Um. And I'm going to just say the were his angels, 279 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:11.359 but he um, he began to work with them to sort of influence 280 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:18.960 events in a way, which is not necessarily what we should be doing with 281 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.720 angels. You know, we shouldn't be trying to send them out to do 282 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:30.640 our laundry or something. But he worked with these angels to take messages to 283 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.680 God to do these certain things, and he was granted. He was living 284 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:44.000 in precarious times. His wife and his daughter were killed by the Christian crusaders 285 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:48.079 who came into his home and and they, you know, they thought she 286 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.880 had a lot of money, and they burnt things down. And so anyway, 287 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.920 he had these students, and the students who studied with him wanted to 288 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:06.079 go to one side of town to meet this profit. And they had to 289 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:14.079 go through a difficult part of town. And Eliezer been Judas said don't, 290 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.559 don't do it, you know, it's too dangerous. And they said, 291 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.480 no, we're gonna go. We've got the angels with us, and he 292 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.720 said, that's not what they're for. So anyway, they went, and 293 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.240 they used all the protections and the spells that they knew to keep the angels 294 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:36.759 on their side, and they went and they were unharmed, and um when 295 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.359 they got back and they told the rabbi what they had done. He said, 296 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.519 no, no, you cannot treat them that way. You cannot treat 297 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.880 them as if they're your personal you know, slaves. Your soul is too 298 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.039 meant to build and develop on its own. It's not for you to go 299 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:00.519 and do the things that are harmful and then try to wiggle your way out 300 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:01.960 of it. He said, so, if you don't want to be in 301 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:07.240 trouble with the angels, you have to go back there and go back there 302 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:13.119 without the angels. Right. So they said, okay, So they went 303 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:20.480 back there without the angels and they died. No boy. Yeah, it 304 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:22.480 was like, oh so, I don't know if that was kind of a 305 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:28.799 harsh lesson. Yeah, you know, but that's a story that they tell 306 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:35.160 about how and why not to ask angels to do your bidding, you know, 307 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.680 only not my will. But fine, that's how we approach the angels, 308 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:45.920 and that's how the angels approach their role from God. You know. 309 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.799 It's like, well, maybe I don't think it's such a good idea that 310 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.599 you give these humans free will, but if that's what you want to do, 311 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.559 will do whatever you want us to do. God. I think there's 312 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:06.119 sort of some correlation to those two stories. That's a brutal lesson those those 313 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:13.000 people learned in accessing the angel realm. How would you say, we're supposed 314 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.359 to work with angels? Are we supposed to only have them come and give 315 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:22.880 us inspiration as needed? Or is it more of they you call in and 316 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:30.160 it because we've had people on the program who apparently work with the angelic realm 317 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:38.799 and they are called to help during times of distress, as you just your 318 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:46.200 example shows. But in other cases it could be people wanting to know what 319 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.279 their angel name is. I think that could be a little too far. 320 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.119 But you know, in this day and age, a lot of things go 321 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.720 that the so called New Age movement talk about abuse, you know, getting 322 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.720 the angel to give you your angel name. I don't know if that's all 323 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:09.000 about. But what do you say is a purpose in terms of what they 324 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:15.000 can be? How do we interact with them? Well, Um, char 325 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.880 Casey used to summon angels. He summoned Michael. Michael was the one who 326 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:28.639 came to him and gave him messages of healing and prophecy. And you know, 327 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.440 I think that was a good use of the angel. Yeah, you 328 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.639 know, there was a wonderful use of the angel, and he had this 329 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:40.079 large group of people who loved being with him and talking to Michael and talking 330 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.400 about what Michael had to say about the future of the world. And then 331 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:51.039 one time this angel came in named Halliel. It was an angel that was 332 00:34:51.480 --> 00:35:00.360 not invited but was on the sidelines, and you know, Vetted apparently came 333 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:05.400 in and Edger Casey started talking about visions of the end of the world, 334 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:07.920 and the people said, no, we don't want to talk to that angel 335 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:13.519 anymore. And he said, well, he's coming to tell you some information 336 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.519 that you need to know, so well, we don't want to talk to 337 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.519 him anymore. And so Casey had to say, sorry, but they don't 338 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:25.440 want to talk to you anymore. Um, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. 339 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.360 Yeah, you actually I remember reading that. That interesting the bringer of 340 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:39.719 bad news in a way angel. Um yeah, that's amazing. Did did 341 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.840 Was there any other communication with any angels in Casey's a fascination of mine, 342 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:51.320 So when you brought that out, Wow, yeah, amazing. H Did 343 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.199 he have any other angels that communicated through him as a as a channel. 344 00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:02.199 I believe that he did, but those were the two public ones. Yeah. 345 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:06.360 If that makes sense. Yeah, of course, Rudolph Steiner, he 346 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:10.760 had Michael, you know, come and work with Rudolph Steiner head and he 347 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:17.960 came and worked with his teachers. He Michael came and taught through Rudolph Steiner 348 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:23.679 to his Waldorf School teachers. Wow and us. And the first lesson that 349 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:29.480 all the kids got when they came to school was to a picture of Michael 350 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:31.880 on the board, because he's always there to protect you. Yeah, so 351 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:39.880 Michael Muss became a celebrated day. Michael must September twenty five amazing. In 352 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.400 your book, you you explained that we have souls, We incarnate many many 353 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:52.320 times, but angels don't have souls. I find that amazing. And it's 354 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:59.400 almost like they are ever present, ageless beings that you know, are here 355 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:05.360 on an unseen level, but they're still kind of around us. Talk a 356 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.360 little bit about that, would you, Okay, I, you know, 357 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:13.920 And a lot of it's only going to be from my own poor understanding of 358 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:21.800 what I think is going on there. I believe that we have souls because 359 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:31.840 we are here to experience life, that formless being created for us. So 360 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:37.239 that he could understand I'm saying, he could be a she e, so 361 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:43.599 that that being could understand what life was. He's I mentioned before, it 362 00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.320 was like an experiment. Let's see what they do, Let's see what they 363 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.800 know, Let's see how they respond to all of this. And so in 364 00:37:50.840 --> 00:38:00.199 a way, we live our lives and we have karmic responsibility for our thoughts. 365 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:07.639 That's basically our thoughts before our deeds. We have karmic responsibility for that. 366 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.000 And so that is a way that God will call, you know, 367 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:22.760 the large being comes to know itself it's possibilities. It's through the choices that 368 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:28.239 the creations have made for it. Now the angels are just created as you 369 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:34.000 know, the servants of but where the oh, what do we say? 370 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.599 Like the foot soldiers in the in the life pattern. But we're a part 371 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.679 of God. We're a piece of God, and we have these godlike abilities 372 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:46.760 to keep generating new lifetimes because we want to learn about this experience known as 373 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:54.960 Gaya or Earth. And it's always been told to me that, you know, 374 00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:01.480 it's kind of like a college university and we can go back and forth 375 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:12.039 and experience lifetimes on Earth to you know, and have people around us to 376 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.039 interact with. And that's just kind of a lesson, and what you're saying 377 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.800 is that these angels are part of that in some way, which is interesting. 378 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.440 They're there to kind of either be like umpires, I don't know if 379 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:31.840 that's a good term, or or more overseers to make sure that the life, 380 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.440 perhaps the lifetime script is fulfilled. Would that be a good assessment, 381 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:43.320 Yeah, that the lifetime script is fulfilled? Yeah, I think so. 382 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:49.519 Of course we have free will not to fulfill it. 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I guess today is 398 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.840 Norman d Ellis, who has written a new book called The Ancient Tradition of 399 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:16.480 Angels, The Power and Influence of Sacred Messengers. And we're getting a sense 400 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:23.960 of just what these biblical angels were all about and their function here on earth. 401 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.039 You know, it's funny because I'm just trying to you know, we're 402 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.559 talking on religious connotation, but you actually in a minute here, I want 403 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:42.639 to talk about these Yazzi yaz Ed angels. Those are a fascinating type of 404 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:46.079 angels. Talk for a little bit about the different kinds of angels. Are 405 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:54.559 the specific types that have appear to have quite a a lot of ability. 406 00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:02.960 So who what are they? The yaz Z and the Yazis are well Yazad 407 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.880 means God, okay, so in their language, the Yazdis are a group 408 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:17.320 of people who are fairly isolated. They live in Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq 409 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:23.360 area. Now now what we know is now rares around there, and they're 410 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:30.000 fairly isolated. They are not Sufi's, but they are a little bit like 411 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:37.280 Sufi's. They have religion that is not written down, it's it's delivered mouth 412 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.400 to ear. So they are not the people of the book, you know, 413 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:51.519 they are different. They're divinely inspired and received messages from the angels. 414 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:59.039 And the big angel is named Tsmellic, who's a peacock angel, and he 415 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.960 would be kind of like what we would think of as as a Michael. 416 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:12.239 He was in heaven and he came to Earth and m yeah. He They 417 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:16.599 basically created all of the Yazedi people. They believed that they are descended from 418 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:23.360 angels. That's fascinating and that's in their history, I guess, huh. 419 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:30.719 And the word that they have for angel is Mellick Emmy llie k And you 420 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:37.679 know, I think that's why Hollywood gave Raymie Mellick, who was Freddie Mercury 421 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.920 in the movie. He's Yazdi who grew up in London. But I think 422 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:50.639 they gave him the cold shoulder because he was a little odd. But I 423 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:55.400 think that's fascinating. I think it's very fascinating. And do these people regularly 424 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:01.920 commune with the angel realm? Oh? Yeah, they are. They have 425 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:10.320 these sheikhs who are called Shamsies and they are embodiments, believe that they are 426 00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.159 embodiments or at least partially embodying angels. And they stand up on the edge 427 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:19.840 of the cliffs in the morning before the sun rises, and they sing the 428 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.599 sun up. That's their job, is to sing the sun into rising every 429 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:30.840 morning. And I think that that's connected to what we think of as Rumi's 430 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:37.280 friend Shams was a sun singer. You know, we don't know much about 431 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:42.960 Shams, but from what I can tell when I start reading about him and 432 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:47.719 things that apparently he wrote, he probably was a Yazedi. That's fascinating. 433 00:45:49.159 --> 00:46:00.199 Do you have a sense that this uh Yazdi group is perhaps a last end 434 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:07.559 and of perhaps earlier people, pre flood, people that had regular communication with 435 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:15.719 the angelic Realm? And I asked this question because you mentioned the ancient Hindus 436 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:20.719 and that the fact, the fact that the rig Veda mentions angels, and 437 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.880 that's one of the oldest books in the world that we still had right right. 438 00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:34.079 Um, the Yazidis are akin to because they live so close to Mount 439 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:39.920 Arrarat, they're akin to Noah. Excuse me. And they are also descendants 440 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:46.079 of Noah. And we know his story is that he was told that there 441 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:50.199 was going to be a big flood and to build the arc, and so 442 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.559 he did and that's where his arc landed and that's where he got off. 443 00:46:55.079 --> 00:47:01.599 But he um, he built it according to a book that has disappeared, 444 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:07.559 a sacred book. Uh, that was called the Book of Rosael, which 445 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:15.360 is a book of angels and a book of magic. It's the Book of 446 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:24.239 Rosael has all kinds of things about numerology and astrology and gamatria and angelic names 447 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:30.360 and alchemy and you know, and and also plant medicine and what kind of 448 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:37.000 stuff would do what and it was it was The story goes that the books 449 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:43.440 were given to Adam. It was the originally the Book of Adam that that 450 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:50.400 God gave to Adam as a consolation prize because he had been thrown out of 451 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.679 the kingdom and Adam was so upset us, and so God said, okay, 452 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.719 I'll teach you some of the secrets of heaven, but don't show the 453 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:06.920 angels. Okay. So Adam has this book and the angels come to him 454 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.679 and say, oh, Adam, what's in the book? You know? 455 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:14.719 Until he starts reading to him, and anyway, he gets in trouble and 456 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:19.599 they take the book is taken away from him, and he's thrown into the 457 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.400 river up to his neck in water for I don't know thousands of years until 458 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.599 he's all old and wrinkly, and finally God feels sorry for him and gives 459 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.519 him the book back, and it's handed down from to his sons, to 460 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:36.199 their sons, to so and so until it manages to get into the hands 461 00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.920 of Noah. And after the flood, the story goes that the book disappears. 462 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.440 So who knows about the book the magic book? You know? Yeah? 463 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:55.920 Yeah, but Noah and the people have descended from Noah. We're supposed 464 00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:01.199 to be in touch with the angels that could understand and read the book. 465 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:08.159 Fascinating. Um, And you mentioned Genesis. There's an angel in Genesis that 466 00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:13.559 you write about it, and I'm gonna try to speak his name. Is 467 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.960 is it tas Melick. Yeah, that's the peacock Angel. Well that's the 468 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.840 one you mentioned. Yeah, that's the peacock Angel. And it must have 469 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:30.440 been a fairly high level angel just because of the function of his ability, 470 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:38.639 Right, he created all this the sub angels beneath him, like archangels beneath 471 00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:47.360 him who embodied then embodied themselves into physically into sheikhs later. So he's kind 472 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:53.920 of like a archangel Michael. But some people think that the archangel Michael, 473 00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:02.159 the Angel of Light, is also Samael, who is Lucifer. So there's 474 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:10.880 like this connection between those two that some cultures make. What the truth is, 475 00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.119 I have no idea. It's fascinating. Let's talk about fallen angels. 476 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:22.239 What are fallen angels? Are those truly angels who have not followed the guidance 477 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:29.039 of the Lord and have fallen off the tree? Or is there some other 478 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:35.440 indiscretion that they performed that got them in trouble? I like I like your 479 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.840 phrase, have fallen off the tree, because supposedly every angel's name is written 480 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:44.000 on the leaves of the Tree of Life, and the ones that fell off 481 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:49.480 were the falling leaves. That was good. That was a good one. 482 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:58.440 Uh, let's see what are fallen angels. Um. I can never wrap 483 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.800 my mind around the fact that there's some supposed to have no free will and 484 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:07.480 yet they will fully disobey God. Yeah, they say, they say, 485 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:12.639 I'm not going to help you make that that human person, because you know 486 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:14.840 they're going to be your downfall. They're going to be your trouble. And 487 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.480 God says, no, I want you to go get me to clay and 488 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:23.079 so I can make them. And even the Earth Angel, the Guya angel, 489 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.000 says nope, I'm not going to give you my clay. No, 490 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.960 they're going to be your downfall. They'll ruin the world. And God says, 491 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.519 you know, this is my great experiment. You know you'll do what 492 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:39.079 I say. And it's the Angel. I think Gabriel is the one that 493 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:50.920 gets everything that is needed together to make mankind, which some say is the 494 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:57.960 reason that he's so invested in being the primary messenger to humankind. Gabriel is 495 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:04.719 the primary messenger angel because he's he agreed to put it all together, so 496 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:08.480 he has to keep us all on the straight and arrow. So and when 497 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:14.079 you say messenger, he's spoken about in of course the Bible and other scriptures 498 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:19.159 but does he come up and you, I would think as somebody who could 499 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:27.840 see the signs of him, Gabriel, Is he appearing in the works of 500 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:34.480 certain individuals like political leaders. Is his influence on artisans of the day? 501 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.519 Talk a little bit about what his influence might be. I don't know. 502 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:45.159 That's such a really good question. I'm sure he's still making his influence. 503 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:53.320 Felt um, he seems I would I would not be able to answer that 504 00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:59.719 question, Okay. I was curious because you know, the way you write 505 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.639 and the details that you have in your book make me think that there are 506 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.519 the influences of the angels, those voices in the back of our mind, 507 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:15.199 the inspiration, the muse as we call it for the artisan people, even 508 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:22.480 the adventure the inventors, the scientists have muses that they that come to them 509 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.360 when they sleep or when they're daydreaming. And you know, there's a story 510 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:30.920 of Einstein, uh, kind of falling into a light sleep and then he 511 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:40.760 invented M square you know, am equals square or whatever. Yeah, Um, 512 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.760 I think that those are angels. I think, in my opinion, 513 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:53.639 Gabriel is the one who's doing most of the teleporting of information to humankind. 514 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:59.760 He's the one who announces the births of Jesus and so on. But he's 515 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:06.360 all the one who laid the green scarf into the lap of Muhammad and said 516 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:12.400 recite, you know, and that was the Koran. And it just you 517 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:17.800 know, sometimes when you're working as a writer. I know, when I'm 518 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.840 working, sometimes it doesn't feel like it's me. It's coming through me. 519 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:29.679 But yeah, and I don't know that I would say I'm channeling Gabriel, 520 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:37.920 but there's some definite energy there that's helping me. Yeah, And you have 521 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:44.480 to wonder, does our unconscious I work with the angelic realm to bring through 522 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:52.599 information, inspiration, life saving data, so forth and so on. Are 523 00:54:52.639 --> 00:55:00.559 we intrically involved with this angelic realm as part of humanity? I mean, 524 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:06.159 that's what I'm curious about. Well, I think so. You know, 525 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:22.480 the whole thing about Linda's Farn in Scotland was because Dorothy McLean and her husband 526 00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:30.920 Peter, they got in meditative states, they got information, They were talking 527 00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:36.639 to the angels and they told them, you know, dig here, plant 528 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:43.039 these things. I mean, they were able to grow cabbages that were this 529 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.599 big, you know, they were able to grow in places that you know, 530 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.880 it was sand and seawater, and how could they do that? But 531 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.280 the angel said, we'll take care of it, we'll figure it out. 532 00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.519 So they built this whole community at Linda's Farn that was based on that, 533 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:07.119 and I think that's really fascinating. Now they listened to their angels Peter or 534 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.679 Peter what was his name, Peter? Oh my goodness, I wish I 535 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:17.559 could remember his last name. Anyway, interesting. Yeah, I'm just I'm 536 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:23.519 just I'm curious because you know, we're always wondering this, uh, these 537 00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:31.679 other vibrational levels that are part of the human condition. And you know, 538 00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:37.000 for those of us who are not religious, who who don't read the Bible 539 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:45.639 or the Quran or or the cabal and these other books of religious living, 540 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:52.119 you know, that's where we're getting the information about the angels. But for 541 00:56:52.239 --> 00:57:00.119 those regular joes, I guess for me, I'm thinking this r talk with 542 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:07.039 angels? Or me you're wondering, can I talk with angels? Yeah? 543 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:12.039 Yeah, yeah, Okay? Is it? Is it a gift? Or 544 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.960 I mean, are you say, are you considered as sensitive? Or is 545 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:24.239 this something that anyone can access. Mary Oliver had this phrase that she said 546 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.800 she has in one of her poems that says, only if there are angels 547 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:37.920 in your head will you ever see or experience one? So they're already there. 548 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:44.239 They're part of your consciousness. There they questions. They have access to 549 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:50.199 us because they're part of our consciousness because in a very quantum way, we're 550 00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:55.599 made of light as the angels are, and quantum mechanics tells us that no 551 00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:02.920 two things that have ever been to get there at any one time can be 552 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.159 lost from each other. Even across the expanses of the universe, we still 553 00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:15.719 have a connection. And yeah, so I think that that's that's part of 554 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:21.519 it. The book's called The Ancient Tradition of Angels, The Power and Influence 555 00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:28.199 of Sacred Messengers, And I'm speaking with Norman d Ellis talk a little bit 556 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:35.760 about this, Uh, the main fallen angel, Lucifer, and where he 557 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:42.000 fits as a fallen angel because he's supposed to be the one who suggests evil 558 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:46.719 things and perverts us and turns people into zombies and stuff like that. I 559 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:52.519 mean, I don't know how far it gets, but what is it about 560 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:59.039 arts out is samael. Did you ever see the show Lucifer on TV? 561 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.840 Oh? I love that show. I love it too, and I started 562 00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.800 looking at it through the lens of like, okay, is this correct? 563 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.639 Is this correct? And a lot of it seems like it fit to what 564 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:15.639 my understanding was. And I'll just quote the Lucifer on that show. He 565 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:21.480 said, I didn't make you do anything. I only punished you for doing 566 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:27.880 it. Oh, and so I think that it's like, yeah, that's 567 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.519 pretty interesting. Yeah. So is he one of the ones that that decided 568 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:38.159 to go against the God and not follow directions and then he was banished from 569 00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:45.639 the higher levels of their dimensions. Yeah, he was the one who said, 570 00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:52.840 I do not want to participate in making of humans because they're just going 571 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:57.519 to come to no good end, you know, And I'm not going to 572 00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.559 do it, and I don't you can't make me do it, and so 573 01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:06.199 God casts him out, you know. And when God said okay, you 574 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.639 got to go to the farthest ends of the universe, he and his other 575 01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:14.400 angels at the farthest ends of the universe. So the story goes look down 576 01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:17.760 and they see humanity and they say, okay, we're going to come down 577 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:22.360 there and see what they're up to. So that's where we have the whole 578 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:29.039 stories of the fallen angels and the new Feelum and you know, like yeah, 579 01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.639 right, so, and I don't know whether I believe the Feelam or 580 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:39.280 the children of angels or ancient aliens. You know, it gets confusing if 581 01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:45.360 you follow the Bible too quickly and then you read Zecharia Sitchen's work because the 582 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:52.440 nifflin or ets according to him. So yeah, yeah, talk about angels 583 01:00:52.480 --> 01:01:01.480 who can become embodied physically embodied. Is this something that happened rarely or is 584 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:08.960 this something that happens only with great effort. Well maybe we would have to 585 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:13.920 ask an angel to really tell us how frequently that happens. But there are 586 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:21.320 stories that you know, the story in the Bible of Tobias and Tabbitt where 587 01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:28.320 there was Gabriel appears as a man who walks with this young boy who's being 588 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:32.559 taken to marry this woman. She's been married seven times and every time she 589 01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:37.679 marries someone, the person dies and his father doesn't want him to go, 590 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:39.679 but the angel says, no, he's got to go. You know, 591 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:45.039 God wants him to go. Yeah, So he's walking with this boy and 592 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:52.280 they think she's a spider woman, but the truth was that she she the 593 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.760 men got sick. The land that they were living on was was poisoned at 594 01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.039 some point. So the angel tells her go ahead and marry him, and 595 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.679 we'll take you to some different place, and they live happily ever after, 596 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:10.320 you know. But the angel came not just as a person to walk him 597 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:15.719 along the road, but as a healer. And it was they say, 598 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:22.960 Gabriel. And he healed the sorrow in the young woman's heart by bringing her 599 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:29.719 someone to love. He healed the loss in the young man's heart so that 600 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:35.119 he could find someone to love. And he healed the doubt and disappointment. 601 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:37.960 And the grandfather, the old man who said, no, no, it'll 602 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:42.639 never come to any good. So anyway, he was a healer, but 603 01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:49.000 he just appeared as a person walking along the road, assisting him along the 604 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:58.159 path. And Adam Abraham eats with these three angels, you know, before 605 01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:02.199 Sodom and Gomorrah, and they eat and drink and you know, talk just 606 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:07.320 like men. They don't have wings or anything, but they're bringing a messages 607 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.119 from God, you know. And so you need to get the heck out 608 01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:17.480 of here, you know. Do you think that happens in our current age 609 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:25.360 where an angel will manifest into some physical form to be among us and maybe 610 01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:32.840 provide information or communicate when needed. I do. I think I've met one 611 01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:39.360 about that. Yeah, I was in Egypt, and I was still I 612 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:45.000 wasn't used to binding my way around all these different places. And I found 613 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:52.679 this image of isis that I wanted at this statue of some kind of statue. 614 01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:57.800 Yes, And I went back for it and everything was closing, and 615 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:02.480 bought the statue. And then after I had done that, all the shops 616 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.639 were being shuttered and I couldn't and the lights were gone out, and I 617 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:10.280 couldn't figure out where I was. I didn't know where my hotel was. 618 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:17.000 I was by myself, and I feel someone behind me, walking along behind 619 01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:23.639 like they were gonna take my wallet and probably me. And so I kept 620 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:26.920 crossing the street and they would cross, and I would take a different alley 621 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.679 and they would take that same alley, and I kept trying to get my 622 01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:36.840 way back, and I was totally completely lost and frightened of beyond anything I 623 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.320 had ever felt before. And this little carriage comes around, you know, 624 01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:45.360 horse and buggy comes around the corner, and there's a young boy in it, 625 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.920 and he appears in the street light and he's just all right in the 626 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:55.400 street light and he says, lady, your hotel is that way, and 627 01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:58.599 I was like, thank you, and I run towards the hotel and sure 628 01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.480 enough there it was. Then I stop after I'm in the lobby and go, 629 01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:05.920 how does he know where my hotel was? I don't know that guy 630 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:12.119 from Adam, I know, you know, so I do believe he was 631 01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.320 an angel. I love that story. Yeah, you have that in your 632 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:21.840 book. Um, what what angel would you say is the most influential for 633 01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:27.119 you? I mean, do you read back into the Bible, do you 634 01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:34.000 read about specific events that were that included angels that were impressed impressed you? 635 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:41.440 Or what? What? What angel would you say is the most important too? 636 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.800 Um? The angel that helps me with my studies, roseel Okay as 637 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:56.000 a metaphysician, I calling Rosael to help me understand numerology, astrology, metaphysics, 638 01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:00.400 physics, you know. And how do they help you? Um? 639 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:09.199 Is it comprehension and absorption of data? Yeah, it's just Um, when 640 01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:13.199 you're reading something and you say I don't get this. Oh yeah, and 641 01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:15.760 so then you fall into a dream and you wake up and you go, 642 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:20.880 oh, I get it. You know like that. Okay, so, 643 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:27.639 M yeah, I think that's an important angelic being for me. But the 644 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:32.280 other one that I'm getting very fond of lately is Pennel. Who's the angel 645 01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:40.800 that wrestled with Jacob. So they say it's the angel that wrestled with Jacob 646 01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:46.760 on the cliff and you know, he threatened him like let me go, 647 01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:49.920 let me go, tell me your name, that kind of thing. And 648 01:06:50.360 --> 01:07:00.239 Pennel is an angel who saves us from our own human stupidity. Boy, 649 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:05.039 can I use that? You know? He saves us from our own stupidity? 650 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:17.119 And who was more egoic and selfish and manipulative than Jacob taking his brother's 651 01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:24.920 wives and his cattle and his land and you know, taking him to another 652 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:28.840 place where you'd never find him. And then finally the day that he had 653 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:33.360 to confront his brother, he's standing on that cliff before the sun came up, 654 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:38.519 wrestling with this angel. He couldn't tell if it was a man or 655 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:43.960 you know, a giant or an angel, And it turns out it was 656 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:51.079 an angel, Penny On, so that angel incarnated and so he was wrestling. 657 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:57.639 Wow. Yeah, yeah, the story real fun speaking with you. 658 01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.800 This book just came out The Ancient Tradition of Angels. I just saw it 659 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:06.480 came out March seventh, and so those of you listening, it's available on 660 01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:13.519 Amazon, I'm sure local bookstore. It's produced by Bearing Company, which is 661 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:20.680 distributed by Simon and Schuster. M Normandy can people? Do you have a 662 01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:25.239 website people can go and check out? I do. I am so easy 663 01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:31.039 to find Normandy Ellis dot com. Oh my godness with an eye? Yeah. 664 01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:36.840 And do you have updates on where you'll be speaking? And I do? 665 01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:43.479 All my books are there, all fourteen of them, all the places 666 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:45.520 I'll be doing talks. I try to keep it updated. It seems like 667 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:49.600 things change all the time. Yeah, but wherever they can catch me. 668 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:54.600 Yeah, great there. Yeah. Isn't it nice that the conferences they're starting 669 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:59.039 up again because they were all pretty much closed for three years, you know, 670 01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:05.840 the pandemic. Yeah, it is good. Yeah. So last question, 671 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:12.119 how how do you think people should approach an angel if they would like 672 01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:19.640 to communicate? Do you have any suggestions for that? Yeah? My way, 673 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:25.479 I'll tell you my way. I like to get into a quiet place, 674 01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:30.880 usually in the evening, light a candle and say I invoke light into 675 01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:39.520 this place I invoke the highest beings of intelligence to come and speak with me 676 01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:44.439 and to put their arms around me and show me what I need to see. 677 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:50.439 Usually works, okay. And if you're not necessarily a sensitive person and 678 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:56.800 can get a sense that there is a presence, what would you say is 679 01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:04.439 another acknowledgement of an angelic being in your presence? Would it be a flesher 680 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:09.520 of the flack of light, a flicker of light, or a knowledge of 681 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:13.960 it? Or what would you say would be a helpful guide? A flicker 682 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:18.199 of light is good. But also don't ignore the fact that the angels will 683 01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:23.960 give you synchronicities. You know, things will come to you in threes. 684 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:29.720 You'll be thinking about something and then the answer appears. And the more often 685 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:34.319 you say it's not a coincidence, thank you spirit, the more often it 686 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:44.399 happens. So interesting, that's so interesting. Synchronicities of three, that's like 687 01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:49.560 a divine number, I guess. Yeah. Wonderful Normandy, real pleasure as 688 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:53.399 always, and much luck on this new book. I love the cover. 689 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.960 They did a great job on this cover, didn't they do bomb cover? 690 01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:00.680 I love that? Yeah, thank you. I didn't have anything to do 691 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:02.920 with that, but I was just going to say, hopefully you didn't have 692 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:09.159 to pound the pavement too hard to get them to do this, because it's 693 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:14.000 a beauty. Its beauty. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. 694 01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:28.359 Always a pleasure. It's really interesting to note that we forget so much 695 01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:33.119 when we incarnate, and we talk about lifetimes here on the program, and 696 01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:42.399 the Hindu traditions of understanding and working with reincarnation, karma and you know, 697 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:48.479 working with our ancestors day of the dead, and you know, meditating. 698 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:54.760 Now, a lot of people don't meditate. They think it's a waste of 699 01:11:54.840 --> 01:12:02.920 time, and we're not indoctrinated into these sacreditions that are worldwide. You know, 700 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:08.920 in the ancient parts of the world. We're too busy, we don't 701 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:12.359 want to sit still. But I gotta tell you, when you begin to 702 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:16.560 meditate, a whole bunch of changes take place, not only physically, but 703 01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:25.720 through your brain and through spiritual connections. You can meditate and there's actual techniques 704 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:30.039 where you can connect with etheric beings, working with different dimensions, so forth 705 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:35.239 and so on. As crazy as that sounds. As crazy as that sounds, 706 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:44.720 they're beginning to validate this type of connection and it just makes sense that 707 01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:51.399 it's some period in our history, perhaps Prediluvium, pre flood and sprinkling, 708 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:57.439 after that period that we were trained to work with the higher realms. And 709 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:02.279 within the higher realms there's the angelic realm, and you know, who are 710 01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:05.119 these beings? I keep you know, I was, I was a little 711 01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:14.439 unsatisfied with some of the some of the content of this program because I wanted 712 01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:19.640 to know where are these people people, where these beans come from? You 713 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.520 know, is it a is it on the you know, what is the 714 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:29.000 etheric? How many levels of dimensions are there is? Is it infinity? 715 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:34.600 You know? You know, or if you're religious, where's heaven? Where's 716 01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:40.359 heaven located? And within that realm of heaven? Where are the angels? 717 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:43.520 Fault? I know some of you biblical scholars listening, you're gonna go, 718 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.239 well, if you go here and then you go there, and then you 719 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:50.039 have to say hi to Michael, and Michael, here's your story, and 720 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:57.760 then he signs an angel to you. You know, I think it's amazing 721 01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:01.640 that they don't have free will. We have free will, they don't. 722 01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:10.640 That's very that's servitude, and that's been perhaps why Lucifer got sick of it. 723 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.600 And said I'm doing my own thing, and then he was banished. 724 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:18.720 Oh man, all right, anyhow, that was kind of fun, interesting 725 01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:26.000 to know. And that book just came out, The Ancient Tradition of Angels, 726 01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:32.560 and you can get it on Amazon. So something to consider if you 727 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:36.359 are a fan of Earth Ancients. You know that we do tours every year, 728 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:41.800 and we got a fun one coming up in November. It's our Maya 729 01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:47.399 of Tabasco and Chiappest Tour. It's November tenth to the seventeenth, and this 730 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:55.159 is a new tour for us because we are hosted by doctor Edwin Barnhard. 731 01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:59.199 He is going to be showing us what's going on. We'll have some lectures 732 01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:02.800 from him. And I'm excited about this one because I've not had a chance 733 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:08.439 to go to Leventa, which is the one of the oldest cities of the 734 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:12.479 Olmec. And not only are we going to see the ruins of the Olmec, 735 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:17.079 but we're gonna go to this outdoor museum that's noted for its megalis. 736 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:26.079 And when I say megalis, these are granite blocks weighing between five and fifty 737 01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:32.640 tons, intricately carved in the figures and other characters thousands of years old, 738 01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:39.680 you know, at least three thousand years or older, and they're just amazing. 739 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:43.520 I just can't wait. Plus, this is the one of the locations 740 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:48.159 that has the largest collection of these heads. They think they're ruler hits, 741 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:54.920 but they have helmets on. There's even some suggestion that they have a some 742 01:15:55.039 --> 01:16:00.279 technology here and there. All that is the first day that we're in Vera 743 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:04.760 Homosa, which is real close to Leventa. Next day we get on a 744 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:11.880 bus and we head south to Chiapas and the Grand City of Polanque. I've 745 01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:16.960 never been there, really looking forward to that. And Ed was a major 746 01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:23.600 figure in mapping Polanquet about twenty years ago, so we're gonna hear about that. 747 01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.840 And then the second day we're there, we're going to get a private 748 01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:32.439 tour of the off limits stuff, the pyramids, the buildings, the temples 749 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:35.399 that have not been excavated. We're gonna hear all about that from him, 750 01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:40.520 and then we're gonna go to a couple of other places. Is I think 751 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:45.640 we're all in all, it's like six seven different locations, including these world 752 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:50.600 class museums that very few people go to, and those are the real diamonds 753 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:59.239 in the rough Because there are figurings holding technology. There are all kinds of 754 01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:03.000 wonderful items to check out November tenth through the seventeen. For more information, 755 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:09.119 go to earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours. Look for the Mexico banner. 756 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:13.840 Click it you'll see the entire itinerary. We're half full. We're only 757 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.239 taking thirty people, and all you gotta do is get five hundred dollars in 758 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:23.960 to hold your space and then you can pay the rest in a couple of 759 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:31.960 payments. Earth ancients dot com forward slash tours Come and join us. Hey, 760 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:36.439 I'm really excited. We just confirmed doctor John brandon Burg. John has 761 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:42.399 been ill and has been moved around. He went dark on us Jesus last 762 01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:47.680 year and I found out that he was working on a hush hush project for 763 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:54.439 a contractor to NASA. But he has agreed to spill the beans. He's 764 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:59.720 a friend. This is a program. It's called Confessions of a NASA Scientist. 765 01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:04.640 This is all about death on Mars, the civilization that once existed there 766 01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:12.359 tens of thousands of years ago, and new evidence from not only the satellite 767 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:18.640 array that's there, but some rover footage that has not been exposed to the 768 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:27.680 general public. This is a tragedy befallen the United States citizens. We pay 769 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:33.119 billions of dollars to NASA to give us the true story of these planets that 770 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:40.279 are in our cosmos, and we're told there's no form of current or past 771 01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:46.159 life on the planet Mars. Mars is bustling, not only with ancient ruined 772 01:18:46.239 --> 01:18:51.199 cities, but we think there could be life forms that are still there. 773 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:58.399 We don't know if there are a form of Homo sapien sapien or other creatures, 774 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:02.199 but there are life forms there. But what's really maddening for me is 775 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:13.439 the continual exposure of ruins through satellite imagery, the evidence of a horrific event. 776 01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:16.399 Doctor Brandon Brook will give us details on this event. He believes it 777 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:24.960 was a nuclear event. And what is happening now with SpaceX and other NASA 778 01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:32.640 Space Command projects. It's looking like and by the way, there's some new 779 01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:38.479 writings by people who are having contact with ET's, most notably Whitley Streaber. 780 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:46.560 He just published a book called Them ThM and in that book he describes what's 781 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:53.039 going on with NASA, and it's just a continual lie to cover themselves because 782 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:57.800 it's gonna it's looking more and more like they're going to be humiliated with other 783 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:06.239 countries ending probes and orbiting satellites around Mars and the information coming back, and 784 01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:11.479 so at some point they're going to have to come clean. But who knows. 785 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:15.439 Anyhow, this is a special program, Confessions of a NASA Scientist. 786 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:19.920 It's going to be in May for recording it ahead of time. I'll be 787 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:25.960 in Egypt when it airs. But it is going to be a beauty and 788 01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:30.560 he is a lot of fun because he's just flat out an open book. 789 01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:38.079 He has told me that there are a few things he cannot discuss, most 790 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:45.479 notably the current lineup of Mars missions are that are coming up, so we 791 01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:50.039 won't go there, but he's agreed to kind of give us the load down 792 01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:56.520 of what he knows and what's being covered up, and it's just inexcusable. 793 01:20:56.640 --> 01:20:59.680 I'm just really tired of it. So I can't wait for that. All 794 01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:04.319 right, John, doctor John Brandenburg is coming your way. All right, 795 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.880 that's it for this program. I want to thank my guest today, Norman 796 01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:13.439 d Ellis. In her new book The Ancient Tradition of Angels as always the 797 01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:17.840 team of Ruth, Thomas, Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this podcast 798 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:24.560 happen. Thank you, I appreciate it. All right, take care of 799 01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.359 be well, and we will talk to you next time.