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Well off of a weekend that has
seen an awful lot, including a title

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win for Shakur Stevenson. Not unexpected, is it? Bye Bye? With

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Todd Rank boxin a wild Sunday Morning
in the US. Sunday Night in Tokyo,

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upset win for Fernando Martinez. He
was dominant surprisingly to win a unified

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junior Bannawey title fight. We got
judging controversy in that fight and also in

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the co feature fight in the Top
Rank show where Robson conssaw ends up winning

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a decision that can only be described
as a robbery. Manda. We have

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a ton to go over and we
got Jaron Boots in us on the podcast

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Boots with Dan Rayfield before the fight
week gets really underway for him homecoming defense.

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A lot to cover. I'm merely
the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves on

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the Fight Freak to Night Recap pod. Hello, Dan Rayfield, good to

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be back with you, my friend. A shame of it. We don't

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have anything to talk about, anybody
to hear from on the show. Yeah,

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I'm I feel this one's going to
go downhill pretty quick. It will

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probably by the way. Find us
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Rayfael getting a little testy right now
because we don't have enough good reviews.

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Review us. It does help us
out five star review. Take ten

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fifteen seconds and review us. That
will help us out. I'm gonna say

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this playfully to you before we ever
begin any discussion, because we have not

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rehearsed this. We don't ever rehearse
this. Are you ready to come over

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to the dark side of the force
with me and fire you some judges and

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fire me some judges because we saw
it again this week and I keep preaching

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from the pullpit. You can come
on down to the altar, mister Rayphaiel,

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you can come on down and agree
with me. We got to fire

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somebody to start setting the tone that
it is unacceptable to see what we are

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seeing. Are you coming over to
the dark side yet? Are you still

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falling out? No? I don't
accept your characterization. I've not been one

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to say you don't ever get rid
of a judge. That has never been

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my opinion. In our my viewpoint, there are certain times where it is

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warranted. There are certain times where
a little kick in the ass and maybe

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some more training is warranted. In
other words, if you have a career

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where you've done a great job or
a very good job, let's say,

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for a long period of time,
and you fuck up on a fight,

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you know, that's not shouldn't be
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it becomes more of a regular thing, then you got to sort of take

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into account. We're going to get
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Oshaki. Oh yeah, but I
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to bed in the middle of the
night, and you go to bed later

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than I do. We went to
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the fights in Newark, the fights
in Anaheim, Ontario, California. Nice

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call, by the way, on
Johnny Fisher first round. You you could

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have cashed on a half round over
under with the under because it didn't even

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make it one minute, a third
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over Alan Babbage, who you know, Okay, whatever I mean that you

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call it. So we had a
ton there, but we had I mean

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early Sunday, we had a horrible
scorecard. And yes it was a decided

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win for Martinez, but we had
a we had a whitewash twelve nothing for

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the guy on the road. So
we got we got bad scoring early Sunday

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morning US time as well to go
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we're gonna get into it. But
what makes it worse doesn't excuse a shit

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scuorecard, but when the right guy
wins, it at least takes you down

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a notch. So because I've seen
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I have seen most of that fight
through technology, et cetera, and

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Martinez clearly won the fight. But
to mark the card twelve bagel is just

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it's inexcusable because clearly ioka one.
I thought three maybe four rounds. So

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but we'll get that. Yeah,
we'll get to that one, all right.

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So let's start with the ESPN Top
Rank show the most prominent one.

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Shakur Stevenson does win, he does
win decisively. We're obviously going to talk

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a bunch more about the controversy of
the co feature fight, but let's give

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Shakur's victory for the WBC lightweight title
defense. It's due. What did you

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see? What did you think?
And is it? Bye? Bye?

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Now? From Top Rank? From
everything we're seeing and hearing, including including

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Bob Arrom not even being there in
Newark, which was fascinating, But go

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ahead, not that fastining I'll get
to that in a second. First of

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all, in terms of Shakor's victory, clear win one. Basically every single

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round, the judges had it anywhere
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You know, I thought eight to
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You know, in my mind,
she court probably won at least ten

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rounds. Could have been eleven rounds. If you're going to give Hartunian any

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rounds, maybe it was the first
two rounds because neither guy did really anything,

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and maybe he could maybe give him
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Possibly there was one round later in
the fight where he actually was the

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only round where he scored double digits
in terms of punches landed. But this

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was a whitewash. This was his
second loss in row. We had him

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much closer, less definitive decision loss
about fifty one weeks ago to Frank Martin

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and who then went out of course
to have the title shot against Travonta.

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Davis looks Chakors in an interesting position
because, on the one hand, he's

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a prodigious talent. There's no disputing
that he's a tremendously talented fighter. He's

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got fast hands, got fast peat, got incredible defensive abilities, he's got

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a great amount of experience as a
pro and his background as an amateur.

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You know, can basically do everything
that you can want a fighter to do,

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except he doesn't have the big punch, and that that lessons sometimes your

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marketability. Because even in his hometown
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he won easily, and yet the
crowd spent quite a bit of time booing

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at times during the fight. And
then there was the shot that the production

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folks from ESPN showed after round eleven
with a steady stream of people literally leaving

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the arena. I've seen that happening
for it. It reminded me, and

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this is a fighter technically speaking in
terms of their boxing that he is somewhat

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reminiscent of as a Mayweather. I
remember being when Floyd Mayweather was an awesome

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talent and he was fighting Carlos Valdimir
for the welterweight World championship. Uh and

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in nine rounds, ten rounds something
like that. Into the fight, people

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were just exiting, like, you
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In the lot, uh, you
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is in Vegas, so it's not
the first time that's happened, but it

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is a little bit surprising when it's
your hometown. I mean, Floyd is

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from Vegas also, so that was
a little surprising too. So that's kind

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of an embarrassment, Uh right there. But he's still won handily, and

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so the question is not is he
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Famer or continue to in you know, embellish his resume and continue to beat

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good opponents and all that. But
it's a second fight in a row.

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That was a disappointment action wise.
He didn't have any injury issues. Cardytunian

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tried much more than De los Santos
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really do any damage. And so
now it's a second fight in a row

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under that circumstance. Although this was
way better than that ship fighting. Yeah,

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but he go was in the free
agency. So here's the point.

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If you are a buyer, your
your top rank, your matchrom you're Golden

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Boy, You're a Frank Warren,
you are PBC, you are whoever you

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want to talk about in the promotional
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a tremendous amount of guaranteed minimum not
guaranteed, but pursas for minimum fights over

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a long period of time. So
it's no secret. I reported this.

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It's been reported widely. They spoke
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that a couple of months ago or
however, long before this fight between him

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and Urtituny was even made cop rank
and offer cha court a contract extension for

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five fights that would give him a
minimum of three million dollars per fight,

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so a total package of fifteen million
dollars minimum. Obviously, that's the that's

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the floor. Anything that's a bigger
type fight, you're going to negotiate for

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a higher purse. But by the
way, let me just h that's a

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lot of money. That's not insignificant
money, No, of course not.

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You can say it's not stratosphere money
like Canelo Alvarez makes or what you mentioned

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Mayweather what he used to make.
Reason, that's a lot. That's a

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lot of money to be guaranteed on
the front end. I'm just saying that.

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Yeah. So so the point is
he turns that down thinking there's you

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know, a bigger part of the
gold elsewhere and so I questioned whether he's

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gonna be able to find that pot
of goal from somebody else, because while

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three million, in my estimation,
is a fair price, is somebody else

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out there gonna beat that, Is
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to uh to keep him active on
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he's gonna have to face those things
now, Bob Aaron, Let's get to

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that for a quick time. One
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the fight, because we heard him
in the corner saying to his corner more

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than once, I'm gonna get this
guy out of here. I'm gonna saying

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it, yeah, And so that
did that. I just thought I would

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add that to the discussion that it's
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Stevenson, I need to look good. I need something spectacular. It's not

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good enough for me to just dance
box score and get another decision here.

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I want to do something. And
I thought some of it was hard to

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tune in trying to survive in the
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So that I just thought that compelling
that he even realized and was verbalizing

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in the corner I'm gonna get him
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and it didn't happen, So go
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that he fought a bad fight by
any means. If you went like that,

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you know he dominated. And the
thing is, and this has never

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really been the way he fights.
Even if he's not scoring knockcouts, he

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doesn't run. I appreciate that he
stands right I mean, right in front

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of the guy, yep, and
makes him miss. The problem is he

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doesn't really make him pay and hurt. And it is fair to say this

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is IY and you may correct me
here. He hasn't come close to losing

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basically in the last that he hasn't
been in jeopardy, hasn't been hurt,

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hasn't been down on the cards and
had to rally. So there's something to

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be said for that. You can
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Every time I literally close to losing. I think he's won every single

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fight he's ever had with not even
a shadow of a doubt. I can't

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think of a single time where he
was in jeopardy, certainly in the last

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three or four years of him being
prominent. I never think of somebody hurting

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him. He's down on the cards
halfway through the fight. Maybe hasn't been

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the case. Even in his last
time he lost the boxing match was in

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the gold medal final of the twenty
sixteen Olympics against Roe against robas Ramirez.

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That was a fight that absolutely was
controversial, that could absolutely have gone either

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way. It's very very close.
He lost it by the skin of his

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teeth. And and and we've seen
what Robasi has become as a quality professional.

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Also so even in his biggest fights, Consasou wipeout Oscar Valdez, knocked

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him down, wiped him out,
Jamal Herring when he won an one,

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when he made his first when he
won the title, uh completely dominating and

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stopped him. Nakatia big step up, complete wipeout, a shutout and knocked

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him down like the guy doesn't lose
rounds for the most party. Even on

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his worst night against Deal Santos with
an injury, easy like eight to four

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kind of fight against the guy that
wasn't doing anything. So no one disputes

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the ability. It's about the marketability. You have to and this and it's

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fair or unfair in boxing, or
you can be a great boxer, and

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God bless you for your abilities and
your talent to hit and not getting all

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that, and that's fine, do
your thing, but it does not entitle

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you to make a gazillion dollars because
the only way to get that money is

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to move the fans, to entertain
them, to create a reason that we

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want to watch you, to to
to give you an emotional attachment to the

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fighter. And so if you're not
in an entertaining kind of fight, that's

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fine, but you cannot get paid
the big big bucks. There's a reason

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why the guys that usually make the
biggest money are in the more thrilling,

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big time fights. Floyd's a little
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not quite sure that all happened,
but God, you know, good for

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him that it did. But if
you take a look at the guys that

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were the biggest paid fighters of their
time, Oscar Tyson Holyfield, you know,

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Canelo pick Manny Pacyaw, you can
Sugar Ray, Leonard Hagler, guys

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that made the big big money through
the years, Tommy Hearns, we can

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go on and on. You know, they made the biggest money because they

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brought out the biggest crowds and the
most hype and fought the best guys and

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we're in thrilling fights. Sure Core
has not yet achieved that. It's again

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not a knock on his bike.
I happen to think he's a phenomenal boxer.

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I rather like I'm not actually anti
Stadt. I hated the Taelo Santos

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fight, but I didn't hate the
performance against you, and I thought he

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did a nice job. I appreciate
the guys that staying right in front of

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the man and make the miss.
That's why I like watching a Winky write,

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for example, even though he never
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I like Pronel Whitaker because he stood
right in front of a guy and made

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a miss. That to me is
a special talent. And he has that.

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But the question is what's it going
to command on the open market.

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I want to answer the question about
Bob Aram. I spoke to Bob Aram

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leading up to the fight because I
used some I wanted his take on the

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Free Agency because that's one of the
pieces I wrote before this fight Bob Aram.

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And again, I don't got to
be carrying Bob Aram's water by no

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means at all. But I asked
Bob if he was going to be at

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the fight. I think I spoke
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Wednesday, I forget what they was. And he's like, look, I

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just couldn't fly cross country again.
I said, Bob, you know what,

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I can't even blame you for that. He had his PI, had

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other PI, had his other family
members there from the New York area that

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represented as he joked, and obviously
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A step son, I guess Todd
de buff was there. Who's the

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president of the company. In any
event, Bob is ninety two or ninety

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three years old. Bob just spent
time in Miami at the at the Tiafimo

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fight. Before that, he had
gone literally around the world for a ninety

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two year old man with his wife, who's no you know, she's she's

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older. Also, they went to
California to Perth, Australia to read for

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the Tyson fury A fight. They
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went to Japan, and they went
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is, he made the point to
me this was in not in any way

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have anything to do with shakors impending
for agency or the desire not to be

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there or anything along those lines.
It was just a mirror that you have

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to sometimes you just you can't do
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And the travelers apps brutal, and
you know, I marvel at the travel

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that Bob has done for a person
that is, but you understand, I'm

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not putting you in the middle.
That's his answer that those that want to

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say you made the effort to go
to all of those fights overseas, which

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was much more brutal travel. And
it's no secret that this true. But

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it's no secret that this guy's been
knocking top rank for the last couple of

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weeks. And for those that want
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has figuratively washed his hands and said
let him go test free agency. I'm

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not even going to be there.
They want to have that opinion. I

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can understand where that opinion comes from. But if you if you read the

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quotes that he gave me about your
core, he I am not disputing that

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that's what he told you. But
for those that want to say, you

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had no problem flying from Las Vegas
to Miami for Tea Fimo Lopez. Why

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didn't you stay on the East coast
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the week. They have an argument. Whatever his answers are, I can

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say that again, I don't need
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our battles, but I will say
this, I have known by there for

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about twenty five years. I've interviewed
Bob Aaron literally thousands of times. I've

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spent time with him on a personal
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a business level. I know Bob
Aaron, probably not as well as anybody

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in the media that exists today in
boxing. I feel like I know him.

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I can read him well. I
believe that he was being legit when

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he was like I just couldn't do
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impending for agency at all, all
right, because obviously there are other top

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ranked fighters that are on the card
as well, that are on track that

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you would want to see. So
now we'll wait to see. Yeah,

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he has he had, you know, we'll get to the undercard with the

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Abdullah Mason and Keishan Davis and the
O'shaki Foster concerts, I'll fight and other

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prospects. So again, you know, when you're ninety three, you're not

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traveling every single of that. I
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he's in a quandary. He fought
a dominating performance against a reasonably he

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was good, he was not spectacular, and it's a decision win, and

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he's a free agent. I think
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And now we'll see what happens with
Shakur. We've been over that a

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bunch on what might be next and
even and it's going to tie into what

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else we're talking about in the region
on floor tank. But he can't get

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either one because most likely they're fighting
each other. And I grow more and

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more convinced by the day that that
deal is gonna get consummated and we're going

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to see that big fight this far. All right, So rest of the

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card and here we go. Well, you know, before we get to

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that, let's get rid of the
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other fights first and we'll get back
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all right, So the prospect fights. Abdullah Mason won first, Kishawn

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Davis also won, and I got
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fight. But go ahead, what
are your thoughts on those before we go

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off on the judging and the robbery, Ubo Shaki Foster, Go ahead,

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I'll start with Abdullah Mason. That
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broadcast against Luis Labron, Puerto Rican, a veteran who had been in the

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ring with some solid opposition, had
lost five fights, but had never been

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stopped before. Abdullah Mason is a
two year old fighter that has the most

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massive amount of upside that I can
think of of any of the younger fighters

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around right now. A southpaw,
power, speed, poise, so calm

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absolutely destroyed this guy. I mean, I thought he's gonna win the fight,

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let's you know, obviously, But
the guy had never been stopped before,

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and he'd fought some like decent guys
like he had fought like Duke Reagan

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for example, who was an Olympian
who won a medal, and you know,

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he he lost a decision that was
at times competitive. He had fought

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against you know, a couple of
other like okay guys or experienced guys like

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you know Brian Schavalier for example.
You know, nothing, no big names,

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But to think he's going to go
in the ring against Abdullah Mason and

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you know, losing is one thing, but to get absolutely pummeled, knocked

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down twice and just dismissed like he
was a used tissue was a little surprising.

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So Abdullah Mason is one hundred percent
one of the best prospects in boxing,

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and he is looking impressive every single
fight he's had. Uh. I

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like the poise, Like I said, the tight knit family that they're with.

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He doesn't seem to have a lot
of issues or distractions that are outside

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the boxing ring. The focuses on
the job. And uh. You know,

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if you're if you're buying stock and
a young fighter, you know you'd

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probably want to have some Abdullah Mason
stock in your nice portfolio. So that

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was a good win for him from
the standpoint that he beat a good veteran

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who had been around in experience,
but more importantly got He's like all of

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his fights have been on ESPN Plus
as part of the preliminaries, but this

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was the first time he got a
chance to be on the main card,

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to be on actual ESPN, the
network where you're gonna have uh, you

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know, you're on in every bar
in the country, you're on in a

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restaurant, tut all over the place. People are gonna see you, and

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they're gonna they're gonna like that style. Just a fierce style with a tremendous

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uh uh skills and and you know, the the aggressiveness and the power is

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one thing, but he also has
boxing ability and quickness, so he can

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He's like it seems to me at
this point with the defense. Also a

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very well rounded fighter at a very
very young age, So that was impressive

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to me. The other fight that
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That was the fight between Kishan Davis, who was my prospect of the

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year a couple of years ago,
with Miguel Madueno, who was a very

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hard nosed, durable veteran, awesome
chin only one speed in that straight ahead

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fast as possible, you know,
go there and try to bang you out

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of there. Never been stopped before
in this now three losses, including last

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night. Had had a barn burner
fight with Steve Klagget where he lost the

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decision where it threw like about ten
billion punches. That was back in twenty

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twenty three into last year, and
the only other loss he had was to

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a former world champion, Jezreel Carrales
and Kishan Davis. You know, he

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gave him a tough fight from the
standpoint of making it physical, more than

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Kishan's ever faced in his career.
But I thought Kishan looked dynamite in that

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fight. I thought he did.
He he he blunted an absolute animal in

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terms of the aggression, and he
tamed that animal very quickly, and he

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won going away. In the cards. It was nine to one on all

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three score cards. And he showed
some toughness. He showed some grit that

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you know, I suspected that he
had, but you didn't know it because

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we'd never seen it before. Now
we've seen him have to show some great

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and still win every single round.
All right, So what I will add

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to that, I need your help
with the referees name. It's a new

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Jersey referee, I thought, and
I even had this on social media while

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things were going on. I thought
he lost total control of the opponent Midueno,

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and should have been warning him and
taking points away much earlier for holding

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for wrestling, threatening to disqualify him. Get the thing under control and the

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end result is two things. One, he ends up getting struck at the

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end of a round. It wasn't
a massive punch round six. And then

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I believe it was by the way
the referees name that every the referee's name

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is David Franciasi, Frank Frankiasi,
Frank Kiossi, all right. And again,

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in all cases, officials are in
charge and how they control things in

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all sports, whether we're talking about
football, basketball, boxing. In this

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case, it's a much more violent
head to head combat sport, but they

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they're in control. They they can
dict how things go. And when Madueno

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picked up Keishawn Davis like he was
gonna do a John Cena body slam,

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and the man did not even take
a point away for doing that, when

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he clearly picked him up like he
was gonna slam him, I thought he

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lost control of that fight and things
got progressively worse. I would have been

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perfectly fine with take a point away, warn him again, and then take

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him over to his corner if you
have to, and say if he does

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anything else like this, it's a
DQ. Say it through the interpreter or

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whatever you have to do, it's
a DQ. We're not here to do

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the UFC or the WWE or any
other form of grappling, throwing wrestling.

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It further frustrated Keishawn Davis, I
believe because every but every time this guy

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got close to him, he wanted
to grab him. He wanted to grab

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him and hold him around the head, grab him around the wall. You're

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right, but but looking in the
longer picture, first, I don't disagree

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with what you're saying. I'm not
quite as harsh on that it should have

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been a DQ necessarily. I do
think maybe a point was warranted. But

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the point I makeeer is in the
long term of Keishon Davis's career, to

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go through that kind of fight was
actually good for him. To have that

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just absolute guy that was just disregarding
of of some of the rules, and

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you know, he's had to show
some toughness and you want that before you

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get to the big time. You
want to be able to know in your

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heart that you can do it,
and you want the public to know you

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can do it. You want your
team, your promoter, your broadcaster to

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know that you've got something inside you
that you can deal with that type of

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uh stuff. Let me put it
into this guy that runs the commission obviously

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is Larry Hazard. More on him
in a few minutes, and more on

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him in the nostalgia too. By
the way, Uh, he was a

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referee for a long time before he
was ever heading up the commissioner being a

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judge, you think Larry Hazard would
have stood idly by and not penalized that

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guy or threatened that guy with a
DQ. Please. I mean there are

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certain referees even in the present day, you know, I mean in the

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end, though, you know,
I stand by what I said, which

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I agree probably should have had a
point deducted, wouldn't mattered in terms of

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the way the scoring was going.
And uh, now that the fight's over,

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I'm glad that I got to see
Keishan Davis deal with that kind of

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nonsense in that adversity to show the
guy was tough because Keishawn was ripping him

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with shots, he was tough.
But the whole the wrestling, the grappling,

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the pulling him, you know,
twisting, we're procrastinating long enough to

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the big one. All right,
So now we come off of that fight.

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And okay, so first thing out
of the box, this this fight

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is not ever going to go into
a time capsule as an interesting or exciting

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fight. It was a boring fight
with neither fighter with much offense throughout the

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fight. And then we get to
the decision, and comically, for example,

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Mark Kriegel, the unofficial scorer on
ESPN, puts his card up eleven

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to one for Oshaki Foster against Robson
Costasao here for the UH one and thirty

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pound title that was up for grabs. So then you hear the first card

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is one sixteen one to twelve Consasao
on the PAF spin and eye immediately did

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my did my best, Rayfiel?
What are we doing here? One sixteen

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one twelve? Maybe Consisle won four
or five rounds, by the way,

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I must intro in eight rounds.
Tim Bradley in his reaction, actually said

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what are we doing? What are
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been listening to our pot. Yeah, exactly, all right. So that's

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the first card that's read in the
next car, by the way, goes

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to O'shaki and then Consasle gets the
split decision. Shock, stunning, go

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ahead. I had it ten rounds
to two in favor of Oshaki Foster,

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and I'm at a loss. You
had you had Ron McNair, who was

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the judge that had the fight for
Foster, had it one sixteen to one,

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twelve. To me, even that
was being generous by probably at least

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one round. We always talk a
lot of times about the range of acceptable

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scores. In this particular fight,
you could probably have it anywhere from eleven

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to one, maybe nine to three. To me, that sort of felt

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like that's the right sort of thing. I had it ten rounds to two,

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kind of right there in the middle. Timothy Bradley, not Timothy Bradley,

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but Mark Kriegel I believe, had
it, like you said, round

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eleven one. But whatever it was, it was like clearly like to be

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able to find seven rounds to give
to his shocking. I mean, he

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looked like the most shocked guy in
the building when they not not that not

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that fight. He did not win
seven rounds, And I don't believe Jack

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Foster was in was the boss from
the opening bell. It was not scintillating,

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but it was effective. He way
way way out boxed him. He

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landed way more punches, He threw
way more punches. He controlled that fight

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from star to finish. He landed
him in every single except one metric that

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there is except on one of the
cards he did better except on the official

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cards of two judges. There you
go. I love that he controlled it

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start to finish, except the one
clown judge literally gave Consissau the first four

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00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,440
or five rounds in a row.
Am I right where he almost built an

407
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,160
insurmountable leaf. I want to say
he gave him the first six rounds where

408
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:03,440
he basically built an insurmountable leap on
that judge's card. It's just he did

409
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,720
the reason why I think want he
counterpunched some, but he didn't do nearly

410
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,440
enough to win that fight. He
he didn't do anything. Now I'm gonna

411
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,440
say again the judges don't have access
to copy box. Copy box is not

412
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,319
the end all be all. I
say it every single time. But I

413
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,160
will also say, in their nearly
forty years of existence, the statistics that

414
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,279
they provide are a reasonable guy to
a fight? Is it that way every

415
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:30,680
single time? No? Of course
there are anomalies. There are exceptions,

416
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,720
But when you see a fight and
a guy only lands based on their breakdown

417
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,599
and again there's a variance, but
they're generally in the ballpark. It seems

418
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:44,400
to me he landed eleven percent of
his punches only seventy six and eight entire

419
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,079
twelve round fight. And it wasn't
like if you look at the round by

420
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,920
round breakdown, you know he had
one or two big rounds. It was

421
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,799
all spread out, like seven punches
this round, five punches that round,

422
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:57,200
eight punches that round. Not nearly
double digits, double digits in only two

423
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:03,079
rounds the entire fight. Uh,
And thus are the only two rounds that

424
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,839
he actually outlanded a Foster in the
fight. So that off the bat,

425
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,200
you know, that is incredible to
me. And the the real problem here

426
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,920
is this, let's take it.
Let's take a controversial decision, law.

427
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:19,720
Let's say Pacy against Bradley. Let's
take Pacy against Jeff Bourne. You know

428
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:23,200
what I mean, Hey, take
take your pick of some type of controversial

429
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,839
decision. Yeah, it sucks if
you're the guy that gets the loss.

430
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,480
But in the long run, it
didn't impact the earning power of Manny Pack.

431
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,160
Yah. He was still a megastar, still gonna make tens of millions

432
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,920
of dollars in his next fight.
You can take that for the you know,

433
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,640
the biggest high profile you know,
uh, robbery type fights for a

434
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,000
fighter like Oshaki Foster. The only
reason he's making the money that he's making

435
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,960
is because he has the WBC title
belt. Without that belt, he goes

436
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,559
from making hundreds of thousands of dollars
for a fight. Now you know,

437
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,440
I don't know what his contract costs
for in the next fight, but I'm

438
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,000
talking about in general terms. It
wouldn't be out of the realm for a

439
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,839
guy like him to go from making
say like four or five hundred thousand dollars

440
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,240
for a fight like that, to
you lose your title. In your next

441
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,359
fight, you might be making seventy
five or one hundred and when you haven't

442
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,559
made huge amounts of money in your
career, right, that is a massively

443
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,279
damaging loss, massively damaging loss because
you don't ever make that money back.

444
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,200
And so that's the real hurtful part
about this, that these two judges had

445
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:25,039
a direct and dramatic impact on this
man's livelihood. I say, then,

446
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,599
are you coming to the altar with
me that we got to get rid of

447
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:33,400
somebody to re establish You cannot sit
here and have a clown card with everything

448
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,880
you just describe. When these fighters'
futures are at stake, I mean I

449
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000
get. There are two more variables. I get those guys aren't hearing the

450
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,880
commentary. They don't have the compy
box. There's no crowd booming through the

451
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,880
whole The crowd's booming through the whole
fight. So I get that that part's

452
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,960
difficult. I watched this fight largely
without the commentary, right, I'm paying

453
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,960
attention to it, and I have
on another browser I have on very low

454
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:02,480
commentary, the pay per view of
Masbad. So I watched this fight almost

455
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,440
entirely with no commentary. That's right, And I still had and then when

456
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,839
it was over, I turned it
up so I could hear the results in

457
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,640
the reaction, and I was shocked
because I didn't know how they were calling

458
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,440
you other than I saw the brief
graphic when they showed pregles. Those judgment

459
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,319
are sitting there, They're sitting there. I did have the sound up,

460
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,240
and I was also monitoring the Zapeeda
fight, which I wrote about on Big

461
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,920
Fight Weekend dot com with our guys, with Ricky Carroll and Sadeka med writing

462
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,799
other fight recaps. So I was
in charge of the Zapeida so I had

463
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,960
that up on fuller volume, but
I had the volume up somewhat on this

464
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,799
fight, and Tessa Tour and Tim
Bradley kept saying about, oh, Shaki

465
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,920
Foster controlling the action. You know, this is a this is not a

466
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,519
great judge. We're gonna we're gonna
call him out. But the only point

467
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,279
that I'm gonna give the names,
let me give names. Anthony Lundy had

468
00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:47,680
at one sixteen one twelve for Consas, and he's one that gave him like

469
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,839
the first five or six rounds in
a row. And then Paul Wallace had

470
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,759
at one fifteen to one thirteen,
which is just slay less of a joke.

471
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,480
Uh So again, I yet to
find a single person that says they

472
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:03,960
thought Conscias out won. Yeah,
a million people on social media who hit

473
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,960
me up directly. People in the
business, Yeah, who actually thought the

474
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,039
dude won. The Cons's family knows
he didn't win the fight. He did

475
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:15,839
not win the fight. So two
more things about this Foster obviously in tears.

476
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,599
I mean that post fight interview was
tough to watch because he's having to

477
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,759
stand there and say I don't understand
how this happened. And you heard his

478
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:26,880
corner man, I don't know you
know that better? Who that is?

479
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:32,319
Uh? He said, this guy
didn't touch him, which is true with

480
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:36,359
what the numbers you just gave.
He didn't touch him Consissau throughout the fight.

481
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,599
How did we lose? How did
we lose this? Why do we

482
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:41,880
have to do this every single week? I again, I love you,

483
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,519
love my nostalgia with movies. I
love the movie The Game with Michael Douglas.

484
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:47,680
I don't know if you saw that
one with Sean Penn where he's the

485
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,000
investment banker and his brother's playing the
ultimate prank on him for his birthday,

486
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,400
where his whole life becomes a game
because he's a bored guy and there's life

487
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,680
and death situations that are being played
out with paid actors, but he doesn't

488
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680
know it. He has a couple
of life and death situations where he could

489
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,359
have died. Michael Douglass has a
line in that Game when he's being in

490
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:08,359
that movie The Game, where he's
being a ruthless businessman and this guy wants

491
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,359
to resign and he says, no, no, you're not resigning. I'm

492
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,240
firing you because when I fire you, confidence is restored, because action is

493
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:21,960
taken ray fail. I'm quoting that
line. Confidence will be restored if you

494
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:26,400
excommunicate a judge that has a card
like that, You're never working another title

495
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,680
fight again. That's it, baby, confidence will be I can't. I

496
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,640
can't argue on this one. I
mean, the Lundie card is so outrageous

497
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,799
it's just ridiculous. So I don't
I don't disagree. He's a guy.

498
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,200
Also, the other thing about it, he doesn't have a lot of experience

499
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,599
in the world title fight psych.
Some of the other judges shaking cards,

500
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,200
so they have a a shitty card
as an experienced good judge. But you

501
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,880
have a vast history of dozens of
other outstanding scoring, right, you know,

502
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,759
you can't really hold it too muchgainst
them. But let me tell you

503
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:53,680
our thing. I don't think anybody
I'm gonna say this like I said against

504
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:59,240
related to Tim Bradley when he got
the win over uh over many Paca,

505
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,640
where Jeff Forrden got to win over
pak Ya or any number of other guys,

506
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:06,160
don't blame the winner. He was
not scoring the fight. Constale was

507
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,960
an honest fighter, was in there
working his ass off trying to get a

508
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,559
world title. This was his fourth
opportunity. He had lost to Valdez in

509
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,680
a title fight. He had lost
to Shakor when Chakor was overweight and been

510
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,359
stripped of two belts, but he
had the opportunity to win them, but

511
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,000
he didn't. He obviously had the
draw last fall in a great fight against

512
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:25,000
Neverette. So he goes into the
fight two and one in world title fights.

513
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,640
Now he gets the belt over his
shoulders. So for him, I'm

514
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,680
happy, but not the way it
came out. So one more point on

515
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,799
this. Will the WBC step in
here and say this was such a horrible

516
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:43,519
decision. We are saying this has
to be a rematch regardless of whatever else.

517
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,039
Well en thems. Let them step
in and say, Oshaki Foster does

518
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,440
not deserve this, that decision is
terrible. Let's let's do this again.

519
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,000
Well, I think before that happens, that would have to probably before anything

520
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,279
would be initiated on that, Foster
and his team would have to like live

521
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,160
some kind of official protest. They're
not going to do it on their own,

522
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,799
but they will if he does.
Lots of protests. Knowing the way

523
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:07,200
the WBC operates, they may not
agree with him, but they probably will

524
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,400
give it a look. All right, So that's that card. I'm watch

525
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,319
the man. Look we just did
this last week with the Bam Rodriguez where

526
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,359
two of the clown judges don't have
him winning a fight that he was dominating,

527
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,559
including knocking the other guy down.
Because over again, this is worse

528
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:30,079
because damn still won the fight by
a knockout. Agreed, And maybe there

529
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,799
is a slight criticism that Oshaki Foster
could have fought harder like he did at

530
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,880
the end of the Rocky Hernandez fight, could have fought harder in the eleventh

531
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,799
and the twelfth round to be more
dramatic. Now, as it turns out,

532
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,680
you're looking at those cards, those
two judges had Consisao up significantly enough

533
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:50,279
that the eleventh and twelfth round would
not have won the fight for Oshaki Foster

534
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,119
on ten nine rounds. He would
have had to have a knockdown of some

535
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,720
kind or something dramatic. On their
two clown cards, they had the Brazilian

536
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,440
up big enough to get the vision
there, so again awful. Well,

537
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,880
if you look at the card like
Lundy Lundy's card, which was the sixteen

538
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,679
twelve card, you know there was
no way he could have won, that's

539
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,559
right, I mean without knock downs
at the end. Yeah, I mean

540
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,679
he already had him up, you
know, he had him up, but

541
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,039
all through the entire fight like he
had him up. He had him up

542
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:21,000
by what two with two rounds to
go, and I think he gave ninety

543
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,039
six ninety four after the after round
number ten, and then he gave him

544
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,599
eleven and twelve. Right, Yeah, he gave him eleven to twelve exactly.

545
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,400
So it turns out to the extended
the lead like he had given O'shaki

546
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:35,559
rounds nine and ten that allowed him
to cut the lead to two points.

547
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,599
But then he so I guess if
Foster had won eleven and twelve, his

548
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:44,239
cards had a draw and then the
fights at all. Yeah, but still

549
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:46,599
I think that's one thing that in
a in a rematch, and one thing

550
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,119
to learn from is fight harder at
the end in the in the ninth,

551
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,119
tenth, eleventh, and twelve round. Do not take it for granted what

552
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,599
those cards are going to be.
Not excusing those judges. Let's see if

553
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,519
any action gets taken. Let's see
what the WBC does. How we move

554
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,000
on? You want to move on, Let's do it. We got more

555
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,960
to cover, we got another bad
scorecard coming too, and all of this

556
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,480
all right, So William Zapeta did
win. This was simultaneous to the Foster

557
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:17,760
fight with Consasao ending Zaepeida ended Giovanni
Cabrera in the third round. Interesting Sopeyda

558
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,360
took a little bit to get warmed
up in the Golden Boy main event.

559
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,880
In the first round, I thought
Cabrera was very impressive with the jab and

560
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,519
the left in the opening round.
Then about midway through the second Zapeta started

561
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,239
finding the range with the combos and
boom goes to dynamite in the third round.

562
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,920
Big combination, A couple of body
shots, can't get it. There

563
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,800
was nothing at all about a surprise
in this fight. First of all,

564
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,039
Zepeida is not the quickest starter ever. Never for two seconds I think Giovanni

565
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,760
Cabrera was gonna win or even compete. I thought that Giovanni Cabrera is a

566
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,440
glorified club fighter in my opinion,
to knock on him. I'm sure he's

567
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,039
a nice guy. I didn't think
he looked very good when he when he

568
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:58,480
lost the fight against Isaac Cruz that
we saw he won to fight since then.

569
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,159
Zepeida is an animal. There was
no chance that he was going to

570
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,920
stand up. In my mind,
for uh, forget about twelve rounds,

571
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,159
but even probably through the first half
of the fight. I forget what the

572
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:12,320
over under was in terms of half. Actually we didn't okay under, Yeah,

573
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,920
we didn't officially handicap the fight,
but I would absolutely have taken the

574
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,280
under on this fight Zapeida. I've
said it before, I'll say it again.

575
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,559
His offense is his defense. He
throws so many punches, He pressures

576
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,199
guys. It's very very hard unless
you're something special to be able to stand

577
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,159
up to that and take it or
or get away from the shot. Good

578
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,039
body puncher too, and that came
out in this fight again. That's the

579
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,400
shot that ended it. The bottom
shot did it. He just crumpled them

580
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,440
and it just takes one. He's
just a very aggressive fighter. And again

581
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,840
he as we discussed in the preview, Williams of Paida, is number one

582
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,159
in all four sanction body lightweight rankings. He's going to be getting a world

583
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:46,559
title fight. It's just a matter
of which organization is going to make it

584
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:51,159
mandatory officially. First, you know
what's the status in terms of how long

585
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,400
it takes to put it together.
But I'm very confident that probably in his

586
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:58,559
next fight Williams. Beta should be
fighting for one of the world titles,

587
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,760
and you know who it's going to
be again, I guess remains to be

588
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,199
seen. Obviously, if if Tank
Davis and Lomachenko do their fight with each

589
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,320
other, that won't be the case. Chakor Stevenson. You know, that

590
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,519
would be a fascinating fight because that's
you want to talk about. One hundred

591
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,639
and eighty degree difference. Young guy's
an absolute just steamroller, blow you out,

592
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,760
bash your fucking face in, take
you to the body, throw a

593
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,800
billion punches, and not mister defense
and a southpaw, and then you go

594
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,199
with the Shakhor, who's also a
southpaw, but the slickeest, quickest,

595
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,400
you know, skillful guy you can
find. And I thought it was interesting.

596
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,480
I interviewed Oscar de la Joya before
the fight, and Oscar was very

597
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,039
diplomatic, very political, and said, I have not talked to Shakur Stevenson.

598
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:40,920
Believe what you want, he said, However, I'll be happy to

599
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,639
talk to him after his fight tonight, and we would love to make that

600
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:47,559
fight, he said in the ring. Then after it was over, we

601
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,400
would love to make that fight,
but it takes two to tango. I

602
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,199
understand he probably hasn't fucked him because
that would be that would be interfering with

603
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:59,360
But now not to say that guys
don't interfere with could But I say again

604
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,119
what I said to you on the
preview podcast, that would be a compelling

605
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,440
fight. Put it in southern California
with a big crowd and a big gate,

606
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,800
because again, Zapeieda would be a
good draw. Chaqueur is a name

607
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,000
brand that's been on ESPN enough.
I don't know, I don't know what

608
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,400
the finances are. Uh, we'll
see, We'll see what happens with the

609
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,000
paida. But I'm with you,
I can tell you what the fight.

610
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:22,719
If Shaquor was turning down three million
over the course of a five fight contract

611
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,039
at a minimum, I would certainly
say that Williams of Peieda would be the

612
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:30,039
type of opponent that would probably be
higher than just your regular opponent, So

613
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,679
he probably would want more than that
kind of money. And I don't know

614
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,800
if that's there, and Williams of
Paeda's probably not going to do it for

615
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,920
free. I don't know if that
fits into a dizone budget. Obviously,

616
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,440
I say zone because that's where Golden
boy has its fights. I don't think

617
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:44,639
you can make that a pay per
view. Uh, that would be I

618
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:46,519
think there'd be a huge pushback on
that. That's a terrible way. They

619
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,800
don't know. We've had a bunch, We've had a bunch of fights on

620
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,840
pay per view that you shake your
head at. So who knows who's buying

621
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,079
Stevenson on pay per view after the
last two fights come on? And that's

622
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:59,280
another and that's another good point.
But if you had that, you would

623
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,039
have a you would have a tremendous
live gate depending on where you put it.

624
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,559
I don't know if you could get
the Crypto dot Com arena with basketball

625
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,679
season and hockey season for the Clippers, Lakers, and Kings. I think

626
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,400
you overestimate the drawing power of that
fight. You got some different venues where

627
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,280
you could have that fight. Listen, Corkor drew about eight thousand to his

628
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,840
hometown where they had the Upper Bowl
closed. The gate for that fight off,

629
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,519
Bob Aarin was accurate, was going
to be around seven hundred thousand dollars.

630
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,239
Williams Apaida is an outstanding fighter.
He fought in the Toyota Arena,

631
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,480
not exactly the Crypto They didn't sell, you know, fifteen thousand tickets.

632
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,519
Now, it's a good fight,
but it's not like, well, it's

633
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:43,480
just a really good matchup. We'll
see, So what happens with him next?

634
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,360
Anything else from the Golden Boy Carter
show up? Move along? Let's

635
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,320
move move along, all right?
So the Famio pay per view and by

636
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,320
the way, Jaron Nis coming up
with Dan again. He defends his IBF

637
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,280
welterweight title coming in Philadelphia this weekend. Hear him in just a few minutes

638
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,400
before we're ranting, before we're done
ranting. The fan Meo pay per view.

639
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,559
Did see the two UFC former champions
fight. Now, that was a

640
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,039
packed house in Anaheim. I don't
know what the gate is, what they

641
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:13,880
were charging for tickets, but it
was a loud, full electric building.

642
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:20,639
And Nate Diaz did win over George
Masvidal in the main event. Diaz a

643
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,119
little busier, they had They had
some moments where they were trading shots.

644
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,320
Clearly both of them were tired from
what I saw as the fight went on,

645
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,360
to be expected and a little sloppy. So that was the main event.

646
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,400
I'm more interested in the co feature
Shane Mosley Junior and Danny Jacobs and

647
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,039
what are your thoughts on the Anaheim
card. I thought it was to me

648
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:43,320
of all the fights of the weekend
and that when I say what I watched

649
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,039
was the Shakur card, the Zipaida
I didn't get a chance in the full

650
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:51,480
card, but certainly the main event
this pay per view, the Mattroom card

651
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,880
from the UK that was in the
earlier part of the day that started like

652
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,159
Next Generation Prospects with Johnny Fisher.
Everything I watched this weekend, this was

653
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,519
the best card. This was the
most entertainment value. The main event between

654
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,159
the Diaz and Masvidal was was a
fun fight. They had a lot of

655
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,599
people there, over eighteen thousand at
the at the arena where they had this.

656
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:16,000
This was in the US where the
Ducks play hockey, and so they

657
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:21,159
had a lively crowd. Uh.
They had some interesting guys and fights on

658
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,119
the undercard. I thought, for
my money, Uh, this was the

659
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,679
most entertainment value of the weekend.
It just goes to show you that you

660
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,679
can take a guy like an Adz
and a Mazvedal who are known to their

661
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,360
UFC fans for what they did in
the in the cage, who are obviously

662
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,199
very limited in terms of boxing experience. Nate Diaz was fighting this second professional

663
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,320
fight. He had lost uh a
previous decision in a ten rounder to Jake

664
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,519
Paul and Jorge Masvedal had only had
one previous fight that was like in two

665
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:49,880
thousand and five, so you hardly
could count that. Uh. And they

666
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,960
have a rivalry, and they have
a story, and they're compelling and they're

667
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,960
exciting to watch, and they made
a heck of a fight. I mean,

668
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,480
they bought and you know what,
I know, they're not the skill

669
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,559
level of like the top pound for
pound fighters of today, but by no

670
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,280
means that they embarrass themselves. And
I'm gonna tell you right now, mas

671
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Madal and Diaz would probably be able
to hang with some of the I'm not

672
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,719
saying they're going to beat up on
Bivol or better Bev or some of the

673
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,840
other you know, absolute elite light
heavyweights, but you know they would be

674
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,119
in the fight with a lot of
guys that are like on the second level,

675
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:20,679
let's say, just because they are
experiencing combat and they know how to

676
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,079
handle themselves, and they've I guess
shown improvement. I thought Diaz looked way

677
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,800
better in this fight than he did
against Shake Paul, and now granted against

678
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,199
Shake Paul, he was fighting a
much heavier than he normally would be fighting.

679
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,800
This was back in the light heavyweight
division. But I enjoyed the fight.

680
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,840
I didn't, you know, I
didn't see their fight when they fought

681
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,320
in the UFC. I'm not a
UFC guy, but I did read up

682
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,960
on a little bit. I saw
some clips of it. I get that

683
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,480
it was a huge deal at the
time that they fought, and you could

684
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,639
just tell in the excitement that was
there in the crowd that these folks were

685
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:50,400
really pumped up for this fight.
And having watched interviews and seeing some of

686
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,119
their press conferences and read some of
the quotes, I'd written a preview of

687
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:57,920
the thing, like they are characters
and they are compelling, and it was

688
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,639
interesting. And even though I'm not
a UFC guy, I was like,

689
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,360
by the time this fight was getting
underway, I'm like, I really want

690
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,760
to see what happens now. So
that was interesting to me. I thought

691
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,760
it was a well done pay per
view. I thought the production of fan

692
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,679
meal put together was excellent. The
broadcast team was solid as a rock.

693
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Marroinalo, you know, was the
main blow by blow person who obviously is

694
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,400
experience in boxing, wrestling, MMA, you know, all kinds of different

695
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,199
combat. Sean Porter did a good
job. My old boy Brian Campbell,

696
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,079
who I worked with for many years
at ESPN, thought did a terrific job

697
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,159
on the desk and also doing the
interviews. I mean, it was just

698
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,440
a they ran it first past and
I forget there was that one of the

699
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:36,639
popular MMA fighters was along with Seawan. Who was the other guy, I

700
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,360
can't remember, No, I don't
know who he was, another Sewn Sean

701
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,760
something or other. Anyway, but
the bottom line was I thought everybody involved

702
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,599
the matchmaking, the production, the
promotion, I thought they did a good

703
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:51,599
job. I mean, I'm being
honest about that now. In the in

704
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:53,280
the co feature, which is the
other fight that was sort of intriguing to

705
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,159
me more so going in anyway,
just based on the boxing aspect, was

706
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,920
Daniel Jacobs against Shane Mosey June.
This was a super middleweight fight. Mosley

707
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:06,480
Junior, the son of the legend, the Hall of Famer, who's made

708
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,079
a career for himself after self admittingly
that he was no good early on in

709
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:12,599
his beginning of his career, but
he's come a hell of a long way.

710
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,079
Jacobs was trying to get back in
the ring after a two and a

711
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,000
half year layoff and a controversial loss
to John Ryder, and he looked like

712
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,440
it. He came in. He
didn't look like he was in great shape.

713
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,400
He looked slow. It was not
the Danny Jacobs that I covered his

714
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,639
whole career of This was a fighter
that failed to make the weight. He

715
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,719
came in like a pound and change
over one hundred and sixty nine plus for

716
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,159
a one to sixty eight fight.
You know, two and a half years

717
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:36,599
out of the ring, had no
snap on his punches. And Danny was

718
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,840
a hell of a puncher in his
day. And he got out hustled,

719
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,679
and he got he got out boxed, and he got you know, basically

720
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,079
beat up in the later rounds to
a degree. He got a bad headbut

721
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,440
unfortunately that had him, you know, bleeding down the side of his face.

722
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,480
But you know, Jacobs is a
is a great person. Overcame a

723
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,400
lot in his career with surviving cancer
to come back and win a world title

724
00:44:55,639 --> 00:45:00,159
and engage in some humongous fights.
You know, gave Kenatti Gloffkin in his

725
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,000
prime, the toughest fight he probably
ever had a lot of people thought he

726
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,119
won that fight, competed well against
Canelo, had other wins Sergio Mora,

727
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,639
you know, Chavez Junior, other
fights on the record, a big first

728
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,239
round knockout win, electrifying for the
Battle of Brooklyn when he knocked out Peter

729
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,079
Quillen when they were both at the
top of their game. So he has

730
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:21,880
an accomplished career. But time waits
for no man in this business. And

731
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,360
Daniel Jacobs proved that by the way
that he was his outclass basically because it

732
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,840
wasn't like that competitive. I mean, it was a one sided scores.

733
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:30,880
One of the judges had a shutout
one hundred and ninety the other two judges

734
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,400
had it ninety nine to ninety one. Yeah, and that was performance of

735
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,400
his career to this point. That's
the most significant performance. Now here's the

736
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:43,920
question I always posed to you,
What does that mean? I mean,

737
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,079
certainly we're not going to see him
in a world title shot anytime soon?

738
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:49,920
With no, that's not true,
Okay, But go ahead, all right,

739
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,239
what is your thought? I'm going
to tell you he turned down a

740
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,239
world title shot to get the Jacobs
fight because he wanted the bigger name,

741
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:59,000
he had the opportunity. He may
get the opportunity again, especially off this

742
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,119
win Carlos A Damas in a middleweight
title fight. Now, remember one thing,

743
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,880
Shane Mosey Junior has done a nice
job of shuttling between weight classes.

744
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,079
He's done fine as a middleweight,
but he's also had several fights in the

745
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,199
super middleweight division. This was a
fight where he went back up to super

746
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,719
middleweight to fight against the Jacobs,
but he probably can easily go back to

747
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,559
middleweight where he is now even more
qualified to get a shot against a guy

748
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,679
like a Damas than he was even
before this fight. So I think,

749
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,760
I don't I can't tell you for
sure that the next fight's going to be

750
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,320
a world title fight, but absolutely, based on this win and based on

751
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,440
the performance and the fact that the
weight is, he can go in either

752
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,639
weight class. I see no reason
why he wouldn't. There's not a lot

753
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:43,480
we talk about it all the time, how shitty the middleweight division is in

754
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,159
general. Shane Moseley coming off this
type to win with that name and that

755
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,679
personality gives you a guy that you
can root for, gives you a guy

756
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,960
that is interesting, gives you a
guy that has gotten a lot better who

757
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,079
and the other middleweight he's He's got
a bigger name than the champions. More

758
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,440
people know Shane Mosey Junior's name than
Janebeck or a Domas for that matter,

759
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:04,000
so he can maybe bring something to
the table. So I think without question

760
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,000
he can get a world title fight
in the next fighter too, no doubt

761
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,039
in my mind. And those are
those are the two main fights. But

762
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:12,440
I also wanted to talk about a
couple of the other prospect fights on it.

763
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,280
Yes, so Floyd Mayweather was in
the house because the one fighter that

764
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,679
Mayweather Promotion still has under contract.
His looks like one of the blue Chippist

765
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:23,960
prospects in the business right now.
And this is a kid from Las Vegas

766
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,679
that Floyd's known since the kid was
maybe like eight or ten years old.

767
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,360
He's eighteen years old named Cermel Motan
who's now four and oh with three knockouts.

768
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,840
You've seen him on the preliminaries for
some of the Amazon Prime pay per

769
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,039
views. He turned pro at the
end of last year on a Canelo undercard

770
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,400
and he looked good again. You
know, they put him on this show.

771
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,519
It's kind of at the last minute, but he made it onto.

772
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:47,119
You know, he's one of the
pay per view fights. He scored a

773
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:51,480
second round knockout against a fighter with
about twenty fights, not a great record,

774
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,519
a guy that was basically five hundred, but he looked really good.

775
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,840
Just explosive, fast, very poised
for an eighteen year old as a lightweight,

776
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,360
and just just a good prospect.
Absolutely somebody to keep an eye on.

777
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:02,679
And the other fight, which to
me, this was sort of like

778
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,840
a fun fight. You had a
Motto Vargas, who is one of the

779
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,599
sons of Fernando Vargas, who was
in his corner. Emiliano, who's with

780
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:13,400
top rank, who's the youngest of
the three brothers. He gets most of

781
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,840
the hype, most of the attention, but there's also a Motto, and

782
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,559
there's also Fernando Junior, a Motto
is now eleven and zero. But they

783
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,920
matched him up with and he's a
lightweight. Also they matched him up with

784
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,920
Sean Garcia, who was the brother
of Ryan Garcia. So Ryan Garcia was

785
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,719
in the house and a Motto Vargas
kicked his ass. I mean it was

786
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,559
very impressive. For all the hype
that Emiliano gets, you know, a

787
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,519
Motto said in the post fight.
You know, I know that my brother,

788
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,400
my younger brother, everybody thinks he's
the good one. But let me

789
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,320
tell you, me and my other
brother, we're doing our thing and we're

790
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,679
coming along too, So Wat's out
for us. He's a spitting image of

791
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,039
his father. It is absolutely unfucking
candy, the facial resemblance between him specifically

792
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,480
and his dad compared to I mean, the other brothers look like their dad

793
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:57,639
also, but he looks like that
when I covered Fernando Vargas when he is

794
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,320
an active fighter, if I was
standing in front of I would think he's

795
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,880
Fernando. You had a little deja
vu seeing him on the screen last night.

796
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,000
I agree, so uh. And
Sean Garcia, by the way,

797
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,599
like his brother missed weight by three
point one pounds instead of three point two

798
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:14,440
pounds, ended up getting his ass
kick. And I can't say it was

799
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,920
unhappy to see that after everything that's
gone on with the Garcia Clint Garcia family

800
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,159
over the last couple of weeks.
So right, but am out of Vargus

801
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:22,840
impressed me. He did what can
I say? All right, busy,

802
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:29,079
busy, busy weekend. We did
touch on Johnny Fisher, the Nicholas Cage.

803
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:30,320
I'm putting all the movies of the
nineties and early two thousands. The

804
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,760
car stealing movie has gone in sixty
seconds. This was gone in thirty nine

805
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,960
seconds, where he knocked six seconds
thirty six seconds, I discredited three.

806
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:43,960
So he knocked him down. Babbage
got up and he looked like an elephant

807
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,159
on roller skates. He had no
legs, and the rep said, that's

808
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:49,400
it. You like my metaphors,
that's it. So the real question that

809
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,119
begs here, at what point is
Johnny Fisher in a bigger bout, bigger

810
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,760
consciousness? What say you? Real
quick? Yeah? I think next.

811
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,639
I think they're going to step him
up to a degree. He's a big

812
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:00,880
ticket seller. He's coming along,
he is getting better. You know.

813
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:07,480
We put together a nice eight or
nine punches eight punch combination that ruined Babbage

814
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,840
and TJ. Let me remind you
when we were doing the bet Us Show,

815
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,239
we didn't make the official pick on
this, but on one of our

816
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,320
viewers who was in our question and
answer session, asked me about to despite

817
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:20,039
what was my response? Please you
said it would not surprise me if he

818
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,840
knocks him out in the first round. And then I asked you what the

819
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,360
under was and the under. I
don't care what the under is on taking

820
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,719
the under. Yes, and you
were right on that one. Let me

821
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,280
just while we're you know, breaking
our arms, putting ourselves on the back,

822
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:36,480
one of us had Shane Mosley Junior
to win over Danny Jacobs. That

823
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:39,880
was not you, but you did
have the Babbage Johnny Fisher correct last night

824
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,400
checked I was five and two for
the weekend. I'm with you. I

825
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,199
think the only thing I missed was
the shakur Ko or No. We bothieve

826
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,239
were coming up on Ioka. Ioka
cost us as well in a couple of

827
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,480
moments. But for Fisher, I
mean, clearly this is a match room

828
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:58,559
fighter and there's some options that are
there. So they're talking about matching them

829
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:02,159
up with Dave Allen, which is
a popular heavyweight who's never maybe gotten to

830
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:07,880
the top level, but he's got
experience that seems, off the top of

831
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,079
my head, is like the perfect
kind of fight for Fisher. If you

832
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:13,440
think he can go somewhere, you're
not overmatching him, but you're not putting

833
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,960
him in a complete mismatch either.
It's a fight that the fans would get

834
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,880
behind over there it would probably do
a very good crowd. There'd be a

835
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,320
lot of good talk between the two
of those guys leading into the fight.

836
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,159
Dave Allen has a very well respected
and kind of beloved figure, even though

837
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:29,440
he's never gotten to the top,
top level. That seems like a very

838
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,840
reasonable fight to make, and if
he's able to successfully have a fight like

839
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,119
that, then maybe, you know, you know, depending on how far

840
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,000
maybe then he's in, maybe they
make a fight with him and like a

841
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,960
Chasora for example, right, you
know, or a bigger name. But

842
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,360
but Johnny Fisher is a guy has
started out as a as a just a

843
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,719
guy that could sell some tickets.
That was exciting that they put on the

844
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,119
before the belt cards. And as
he's developed and then put his you know,

845
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,800
his training habits and got himself in
shape and improved his skills and and

846
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,480
obviously has great power, is getting
better. But babbit, being honest,

847
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:06,840
was a much smaller guy, absolutely
made to order. A first run knockout

848
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,760
was what I anticipated. It happened, and that will move on. But

849
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,079
Johnny's fun to watch no matter who
he's gonna be in with. I love

850
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:16,079
watching his heavy heavyweights always ratcheted up
all right. Then we move and Girana

851
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,519
is coming up straight ahead. But
then we moved to Sunday morning, US

852
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:24,679
times, Sunday night in Tokyo,
and the surprise of the weekend not just

853
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,239
that he won, but how impressively
he won in this fight, as Fernando

854
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:36,880
Martinez captured now the WBA and the
IBF Junior bantamweight titles with a twelve round

855
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,039
win. Varying degrees of how wid
the score should have been, but it's

856
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:47,079
shocking from this standpoint that he goes
into Japan and really controlled the fight from

857
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,119
the very beginning. Ioka deserves some
credit because he hung in there. This

858
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,519
is me saying that, but Martinez
was hitting him like Lionel Ritchie. We're

859
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:59,719
going back to the eighties again,
all night long with the uppercuts in close

860
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,599
left, upper cut, right,
upper cut, over and over again.

861
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,400
What a performance for him to win
this twelve That was huge. That was

862
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,920
Martine's best performance of his career because
the fights were on He one against in

863
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Kajas that gave him the title,
and then the rematch. They were big

864
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,679
wins for him, of course,
but I didn't think he was nearly as

865
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,199
entertaining or as on point as he
was in this fight against Ioka. He

866
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,280
had had another fighting mateia against Jade
Barney, which was a much lesser a

867
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,320
guy, which he won in his
second title defense. But this was a

868
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,880
big time fight. This was again
going over to overseas to fighting Japanese sort

869
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,599
of legendary type fighter four division champion
who you know has a fan base,

870
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,559
and that's why the fight obviously was
there, not in Argentina or somewhere else.

871
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:50,559
And I was surprised that he showed
not only the type of skills that

872
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,159
he showed, but the amount of
punches that he threw, Like that's not

873
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:57,039
I'm not that I've seen like a
million Fernando Martinez fights, but of the

874
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,760
handful of his fights I have seen, including the Bornea fight fight and the

875
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,119
two Ankahas fights, I was not
to say he's not a guy that gets

876
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:07,679
there and tries to make a fight, but I was a little surprised just

877
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:15,440
by the the combination of his skills
and the output and the precision. I

878
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,679
thought he really put everything together.
I want your opinion. I think part

879
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:21,840
of it is maybe father time is
caught up with Ioka a little bit,

880
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,119
because he did not look like even
early in the fight that he had the

881
00:54:24,159 --> 00:54:29,800
same reflexes, the same you know, snap on the punches, whatever,

882
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,519
and maybe that was part of this. And then we're going to get into

883
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:37,119
the scoring here us as well.
I mean, Martinez clearly won the fight,

884
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,639
but the score, the scoring is
comedy for this one as well.

885
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,880
But Ioka is not. He was
not coming off some like crazy long layoff

886
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,039
or huge injury. You know,
he had fought on December thirty first,

887
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:51,400
this last fight, so you know, seven months I mean, in this

888
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,719
day and age of boxing is not
exactly you know, a massive layoff.

889
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,800
So yeah, I mean he's thirty
five years old and the other guy's younger,

890
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,840
and so you know that does take
it all. He's had a lot

891
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,639
of fights, He's been in the
ring with a lot of quality guys.

892
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:07,000
It's you know, it's it's also
the rounds you know that the guys have

893
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,639
been in. If you take a
look at Ioka, you know this is

894
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:13,599
now you know, he's three hundred
and thirty plus rounds. You know,

895
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,679
the other guy is literally half the
rounds. So Ioka is now at three

896
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:21,159
hundred and thirty one professional rounds.
Fernando Martinez after that fight is now at

897
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,920
one hundred and fifteen rounds, and
that is a big difference. And the

898
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,039
amount of damage you've taken those other
one hundred and fifteen rounds, you know,

899
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,360
it's probably a lot more than Fernando
Martinez has taken in all one hundred

900
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,280
fifteen rounds he's had so far in
his career. So from that standpoint,

901
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,800
yes, but again I was impressed
because Martinez came with a good game plan

902
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:42,679
and he executed offensively, keeping those
punches going. You said about uppercuts through

903
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,639
some body shots, the ability to
take a punch, because it's not like

904
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,480
Ioka didn't land shots. Ioka landed
a lot of good shots, but he

905
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,920
took them. And this is a
huge win, and we talked about it

906
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,079
beforehand. Not only does he unify, he you know, he keeps the

907
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:00,199
IBF title, he wins the IOKA
WBA title, and he puts them up

908
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,719
in position for what I think would
probably now be a very entertaining and big

909
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,239
time fight against Bam Rodriguez. Bam
said this was the fighter he wanted next.

910
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,280
Obviously, we got to wait to
see what takes place in terms of

911
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,679
whether a strata uh you know,
illegally and officially executes his rematch, right

912
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,599
it seems like he will. But
even if he does, fine, so

913
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:22,079
he fights Bam in the rematch at
the end of the year, and uh,

914
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:23,559
you know, and Martinez right now
is not I don't think he.

915
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:27,960
I mean, I'm not sure who
he's with in terms of promotion. He's

916
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,440
not with any of the big entities
to my knowledge. Uh, maybe they

917
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,880
do a thing where match Room if
they really want to make the fight,

918
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,119
you know, you do, you
do the rematch between uh between Bam against

919
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,400
Estrata, and you bring Martinez to
that card. You put him in a

920
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,960
defense against you know, a reputable
opponent, and set up you know,

921
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,239
if they both win, we're finding
each other to unify. I mean,

922
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,079
those are the types of things that
that promoters do all the time. So

923
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:52,840
we got I would I'd be very
interested in that. Martinez made that a

924
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,880
much more interesting fight now than it
was a couple of days. And he

925
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,000
was tremendous and by the way,
he fought hard tenth round, eleventh round,

926
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,320
twelfth round to make sure that he
got the win. It turns out

927
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,440
on one of the cards. Let's
go to the comedy again, and I

928
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,280
promise we're getting the boots in US. One of the cards was twelve bagel

929
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:13,519
twelve nothing for the visiting fighter.
I thought this was interesting in rewatching the

930
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:17,400
fight. I have seen the rewatch
of the fight from the ESPN deportis ESPN

931
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:23,920
Knockout Feed. Their unofficial scorer gave
Martinez the first three rounds their unofficial score,

932
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:30,159
then gave Ioka two rounds and through
ten their unofficial score. I'm not

933
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:34,400
sure who it was had the fight
five five all right for what it's worth,

934
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,360
which means on his card Martinez needed
the last two rounds we do one

935
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:44,719
twenty one toh eight. The reality
is that Martinez probably you know, the

936
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:51,119
right score quote unquote right score,
probably like eight four right. I'd go

937
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:52,960
to one judge had one judge had
at nine to three, not out of

938
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,639
the realm, and one judge had
it twelve zero, which was kind of

939
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:59,239
surprising. That judge, by the
way, is Edward Hernandez, who's a

940
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,800
California so again, but compared to
what we just went through with the Oshaki

941
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,280
Foster fight, this is fucking child's
play because clearly the right guy won the

942
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:13,159
fight. The scoring was all fucked
up, but it doesn't impact the result.

943
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,119
It doesn't impact the livelihood of the
either man involved. So I'm not

944
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:20,440
saying you let it slide, but
I can't. I don't have it in

945
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,599
me to muster more indignation for the
second time in this show. So I'm

946
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:28,719
done talking about the score. Indignation
is done. Martinez gets the win,

947
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,440
great win for him. We'll see
what happens with him next. I know

948
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,119
what's happening next for Jiron boots Ennis. That is his homecoming title defense for

949
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:43,000
the IBF Welterweight Championship that he owns. He's fighting David Abanezian coming up in

950
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,760
Philly this Saturday. But you don't
have to wait for later in the week.

951
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:50,800
You got boots Ennis right now with
Big Dan. Well, it's my

952
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,199
great pleasure to be joined on our
podcast day by none other than the IBF

953
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,039
Welterweight Champion of the World, Jaron
boots Ennis. Boots thank you so much

954
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,480
for doing this. I appreciate your
time. How's everything going getting ready for

955
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,239
your fight? I appreciate you.
Thank you very everything going great. You

956
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,159
know, can't wind it ill you
know with that town, well that folks

957
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:12,239
know you are scheduled to make your
first title defense Saturday night at the Wells

958
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,199
Fargo Center in your hometown of Philadelphia. You're taking on the challenger, David

959
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:20,639
Evanestin, who's thirty four and one
with eighteen knockouts. You, of course,

960
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:23,719
John, are thirty one and oh
with twenty eight knockouts. What's intriguing

961
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:25,920
team about this fight? A few
different things we're going to get to.

962
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,119
First of all, you know,
because you got thirty one fights, it

963
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:32,480
feels, I think to a lot
of people you've been around kind of forever,

964
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:37,480
but you're still only twenty seven years
old and making your first defense.

965
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,400
But the big thing about is you
get to go home to Philadelphia, to

966
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,400
the Wells Fargo Center, your first
fight with your new contract with Mattroom Boxing.

967
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,280
There's gonna be a big crowd on
hand. Mattroom Boxing has been saying

968
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,360
there's gonna be well over ten thousand
people in attendants. We'll see. There's

969
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,519
still some time before the fight.
But how big of a deal is there

970
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:57,239
for you not only making a first
title defense, but to do it,

971
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,280
you know, in your hometown,
the great fight city Ofhiladelphia, Pennsylvania.

972
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:04,960
Oh, that's a very big deal, you know, just the first fight

973
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,679
at the Wells Fargo Center. You
know, well, and you know it's

974
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:12,679
a buzzing to be able to you
know, fight in the Wells Fargo Centnate,

975
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,039
I had just running the bill in
like March, okay, and I

976
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:21,400
had told my edit use the game, and I told my my security,

977
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:22,840
I said, I said, one
day'm an sell this place out. And

978
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:28,719
then one or two later, you
know, I did the partnership with met

979
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:32,159
Stroom and you know now here now
you know, basically sell this place out,

980
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:36,159
you know, in fight here in
my hometown to some my world side

981
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
in my hometown. Yeah, and
you said it's the first fight at the

982
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,800
Wells Fargo Center. Just so people
are clear, they renamed that building.

983
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,360
They have had fights in the venue. But since it's been that call call

984
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,000
that this will be the first card. And uh, and you're the headliner

985
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,119
and you're, like I said,
you're taking on Evanescim. But I want

986
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:55,800
to ask you about this fact.
Originally you were scheduled to take on your

987
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,920
mandatory challenge at Cody Crowley. You
guys have announced the fight, You've done

988
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,320
the press conference. He was undefeated
at twenty two and zero. Unfortunately,

989
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,719
Cody had an eye problem where he
had surgery and he was not medically clear

990
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,400
to do the match, and they
had to switch and find a new opponent

991
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,480
for you and Evanescian. Do you
have any any sort of letdown in the

992
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:15,480
change or for you with sort of
Cody Crowley, fine, Avanessian finance all

993
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,440
the same to you, what's your
your take on having the opponent change up

994
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,000
on you like that. It's just
always saying to me, I'm just glad

995
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,960
to be baking, glad to be
able to you know, fight. I

996
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,639
told him before, I told Eddie
before, before the fight even, I

997
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,079
say to make sure I have a
backup just in case. And you know,

998
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,440
you know he did and what he
fels I want, you know,

999
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:42,079
I don't care who, who who
he would have filed. I just wanted

1000
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:43,679
as long as i'na be able to
fight, you know, in front of

1001
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,800
my friends and his family, you
know, on July thirteenth and Edge wellis

1002
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,719
Circo Center in from the beautiful Show
and get a knockout. I ain't really

1003
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:52,880
care who it was. So you
mentioned about, you know, excited to

1004
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,079
fight at home, fight the opponent
you're fighting, defend your title. Before

1005
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,880
you got the IBF title, you
had won the interim title. The champion

1006
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,199
was Terrence Crawford. He had become
the undisputed champion last July with his big

1007
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:08,239
performance and knockout against Errol Spence.
After that was over, he declined to

1008
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,239
fight you because even you were the
manager. I don't think he was necessarily

1009
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,639
ducking Boots Ennis, but he had
sort of other things to do that was

1010
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:19,559
put on him very quickly after the
fight. In any event, that title

1011
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:23,559
became vacant and you were then elevated
to the full champion from your interim status.

1012
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,760
What was your take on that?
Were you disappointed that he didn't fight

1013
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,599
you, that you didn't get the
opportunity to sort of win the belt outright

1014
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:36,599
in the ring against the reigning champion. I always wonder how fighters process that

1015
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:39,679
when that happens. I mean,
you always want you always want to take

1016
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:42,440
the boat, you know, from
a champion, and that was the goal

1017
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:46,400
took about from the champion and Phil
better. You know, that's way better,

1018
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,960
you know, by taking about beating
him up and things like that,

1019
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,639
but you know, you know it
is what it is enoughing I could do

1020
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,840
it. It was out of my
control. Were you of the opinion that

1021
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,599
he was somehow avoiding you or you
understood sort of like the business choices that

1022
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:04,360
get made in this business, in
this sport. Honestly, I don't even

1023
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,880
know. I don't know, okay, fair enough. Well, one thing

1024
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,960
you may be familiar with if you're
studying up on David Avanessian, is that

1025
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,159
you know that it was in December
of twenty twenty two, two fights ago

1026
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:20,239
for David, that Terrence Crawford knocked
him out in the sixth round to retain

1027
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:22,880
his title. At that time.
David has won one fight since then.

1028
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:25,559
And even though you're not fighting Crawford, you got evanesc In, but I

1029
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:29,599
know you would have liked to fight
Crawford. Is it at least sort of

1030
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,519
maybe mildly in the back of your
mind that maybe I can show up Terrence

1031
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:37,760
crawfor a little bit by knocking David
Evanestin out even more quickly than Terrence Crawford

1032
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,639
did. No, I really don't
care about it. I'm, like I

1033
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,599
said, if I'm excited to be
begging the ring, and that's my main

1034
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:47,480
thing, being back in the ring, putting on the show for my friend

1035
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:52,360
and family, and uh, you
know, and being thrown in a big

1036
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,760
statement with a big knockout. I'm
going ahead fun and put on a show.

1037
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,119
Now, I really really don't care
about He's a the guy that knowing.

1038
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,719
Now, when you when you prepare
for evaness and sort of what is

1039
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,960
your scouting report on him? What
have you seen if you've looked at video,

1040
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:09,119
or what's your take on his style? I know you obviously believe very

1041
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,719
strongly you're gonna win and win the
fight by a knockout, but can you

1042
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,480
just give me your team's thought process
and the type of fight that he brings

1043
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,480
into the ring. I mean,
he kind of fight like my last opponent,

1044
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:25,440
like Will. You're just not as
big for pressure as it. You

1045
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,960
know right in front of you.
Don't move here. It's gonna be a

1046
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,840
long night for him, gonna be
a long light or gonna be a short

1047
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,119
night. You know it's gonna be. It's gonna be along with short night.

1048
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:38,480
If you do what I'm saying,
I get what you saying. You

1049
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:40,639
think you think you're gonna end this
fight early. I think is that?

1050
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:43,480
I mean, that's I hear the
confidence in your voice. I know Evanescan

1051
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,960
from having to watch him plenty of
times. We saw what he did with

1052
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,639
Crawford. You feel like, I
mean not to say you're taking him lightly

1053
01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:50,400
or anything like that, but you
think this is I get the feeling you

1054
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:55,440
think this is easy work. I'm
definitely not taking it likely lightly at all.

1055
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,239
You know, I'm going to know
the show, have fun, we

1056
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,079
smart take my time beating up,
you know, breaking down in uh froming

1057
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,360
a beautiful show. Like I said
before, you know, I don't take

1058
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,159
nobody lately at all. You know, I mean focuses him right now,

1059
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:12,480
that's it. That's all. Get
him up out of or away and at

1060
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:16,440
Im Victoria's you know, make carry
they you know it's bigger and better team.

1061
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:20,880
But I mean focus is David Evan
Eedian. So I had mentioned when

1062
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,360
we were just starting out the interview
that this was gonna be your first fight

1063
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,119
since you signed with Eddie Hern and
mattrom Boxing. Prior to that, you

1064
01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:31,960
had been fighting regularly on the PBC
cards because you were associated with with Showtime

1065
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,159
and they were doing all those events
when Showtime came to an end. Uh.

1066
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,320
My understanding is that you know you
had been and involved in conversation possibly

1067
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,159
signing with PBC. Obviously that did
not work out. Can you say what

1068
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,280
happened in that situation and what was
sort of the the sales pitch if you

1069
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,719
will, that Eddie gave you that
that made you decide, you know what,

1070
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:54,000
I'm gonna go sign with mattrom Boxing. I just want I just want

1071
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:57,119
what was best for my career.
You know, I'd like to stay active,

1072
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,480
you know, and that's that'd be
my whole thing. Stay actor,

1073
01:05:59,519 --> 01:06:02,320
stay busy, you know shirt.
You know, do you feel like that

1074
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:08,679
would not have been the case that
you've been with PBC, Oh, that

1075
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:15,000
you wouldn't have been busy? I'm
not. I just I just like the

1076
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:17,440
way that Eddie move move as guys
and things like that, you know,

1077
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,639
you know fight frequently. So see
keep keep the shirt right. And it

1078
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:25,360
seems like it's been a pretty good
promotion, like because they said they've talked

1079
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,800
about that there's going to be a
huge crowd, and since you've never really

1080
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,960
fought in a big arena in Philadelphia, I think you got to be pretty

1081
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,159
excited about the fact that they are
going to have, you know, that

1082
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,039
big, big, big throng of
folks. And so what ather thing I

1083
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:39,440
was thinking about is when you go
and you walk out for your ring walk

1084
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,639
Wells Fargo Center, your first title
defense, big crowd for you, cheering

1085
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,000
you on. Is that the kind
of and you're as a champion, as

1086
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,639
a reigning champion, is that sort
of like the moment as a as a

1087
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:50,199
young fighter coming up that you dreamed
about, Like, can you envision how

1088
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:54,519
that's gonna feel, just emotionally when
you have that happen, you know,

1089
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,079
on fight night? Uh, It's
it's all still amazing, you know.

1090
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:02,280
I said before, I said,
I just rung the bill, you know,

1091
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,119
and in March at the six Ers
game, and like I said,

1092
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:09,559
I told you, I told my
security all we will say the place out,

1093
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:11,639
and now I'm doing it. So
it's gonna be a blessing. It's

1094
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:14,000
gonna be everything, you know,
everything I've you know, I'm pained of,

1095
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,679
you know, and I can't wait, you know, I'm ready.

1096
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:19,480
I'm ready to recite it. So
at twenty seven years old, it seems

1097
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,119
like in boxing for the most part, fighters are you know, in their

1098
01:07:24,159 --> 01:07:26,800
prime, approaching their prime, or
right in the middle of their prime.

1099
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,440
Do you feel like at your age
now with the title, uh, getting

1100
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,360
involved in bigger events that you that
you are now in your prime of your

1101
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:39,679
career. I definitely feel like I'm
getting here. I feel like I'm getting

1102
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:45,000
there here yet, I definitely feel
like I'm getting here. So beyond evanescent

1103
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:46,239
because I know we've discussed that,
you think it's going to be a long,

1104
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,639
short night as we discussed what are
the kind of goals that you have

1105
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,280
beyond you know, just obviously retaining
your title? Is it? Is it

1106
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,639
making the pounds for poundless? Is
it maybe moving up and weigh at some

1107
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:00,519
point and winning titles another way?
Class's sort of what's what's sort of on

1108
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:04,000
the laundry list the checklist for Jeron
Boots, And that's about the things that

1109
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:08,760
you would like to accomplish in your
career before it's all over. Oh,

1110
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,400
well they don Victoria's you know,
make sure they not looking at it,

1111
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:15,960
Damon and he's in it, or
you know, Stanfolkers left in. But

1112
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:21,119
my main goal is to be undisputed
at one forty seven at this fight,

1113
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:25,119
you know, I want to collect
the rest of the bolts and then move

1114
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:28,800
up to fifty four into the same
thing at fifty four and against sixty against

1115
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,479
sixty eight, maybe sixty eight.
Oh, you think you can go as

1116
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,520
high as one sixty eight. Wow. Yeah, I mean I know I

1117
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,640
can. I would have to see
how my body feeled or you know,

1118
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,159
being a being a heavy. Okay, So I just want to wrap up

1119
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:44,840
with this and uh, you know
your goal you've established, as you just

1120
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,840
said, you'd like to somehow figure
out a way to navigate the politics and

1121
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,239
become the undisputed champion. But I
wonder along the way to doing that,

1122
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:54,000
what do you think is sort of
the big fight for you at welterweight.

1123
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:57,439
Terrence Crawford is not coming back to
that weight class. Obviously, you have

1124
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,600
the WBC champion Barrios, Mario Barrios, He's supposedly in conversations perhaps to be

1125
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:06,079
fighting against Manny Pacao. Stanny Onis
is there, He's undefeated, obviously a

1126
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:11,399
good fighter, maybe not the biggest
name in the world. Brian Norman is

1127
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:15,479
probably about to be elevated from the
WBO once the Crawford belts are all vacated.

1128
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,880
So when you look at those group
of champions, besides yourself, what

1129
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,079
do you view or maybe there's something
else as your big fight quote unquote big

1130
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:28,239
fight in welterwait angle all all of
them, you know, because the all

1131
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,039
big fights that you all have a
boat, so one of them, so

1132
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:35,600
you think that you can maybe run
the table and then hey, that's that's

1133
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,920
not Yeah, that's that's That's what
I'm going to do, you know.

1134
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,560
And like I said, don victorious, you know, next Saturday, and

1135
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,600
that's the goal. You know,
a ton of ton of unified and you'll

1136
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,680
be undistooted to collect these boats.
Well, I guess before you can start

1137
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,159
collecting all the other belts that you
don't have, you got to take care

1138
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:53,479
of your business against David Avanes.
And you say it's going to be a

1139
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,199
big win for you and a beautiful
performance. As you said in front of

1140
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,199
the hometown Boots, I wish you
nothing but the best in your perform it's

1141
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:04,600
in your fight Saturday at Wells Fargo
Center live on his own. I thank

1142
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,359
you very much for your time.
I wish you the best of luck.

1143
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,720
Thank you. I appreciation you,
bet, Boots, thank you so much.

1144
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,840
All Right, So again there's a
lot of excitement in his camp and

1145
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,079
in the Philadelphia area. What kind
of crowd are they going to have?

1146
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:23,399
Et cetera. And I've said over
and over again, I'm anxious to see

1147
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:27,039
what this guy can do at the
highest level now as the IBF champion at

1148
01:10:27,079 --> 01:10:30,359
one forty seven. Wrap it up
as we head full full into Boots in

1149
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:33,359
this week here. Hey, listen, Boots is a pleasure to talk to.

1150
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,079
He's a very friendly and very engaging
young man. It's his first defense.

1151
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:40,760
Like you said, he's got the
title because he was interim champion.

1152
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:45,279
Terrence Crawford had won the undisputed title
when he unified everything against Errol Spence,

1153
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:48,239
and his next fight was supposed to
be the mandatory against the IBF champion or

1154
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:53,079
the IBF mandatory rather, which was
Ennis. He've decided that that was not

1155
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:55,439
his liking for a lot of differ
reasons. I don't think he was ducking

1156
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,319
Ennis, but obviously, you know
he's gonna make huge amounts of money for

1157
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:00,720
this Magam fights. Anyway, while
we would have liked to see that fight,

1158
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:03,960
Ennis becomes the full title holder.
So this is the first offense.

1159
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,199
But so what's intriguing to me about
the fight? Because I'm being honest and

1160
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:13,239
I don't disrespect Avanessian, but its
just my opinion that he has no fucking

1161
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:16,239
shot in the fight at all.
Okay, So the question is how how

1162
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,800
one sided is it? How quickly
does it end those types of things.

1163
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:26,560
Avanescian in twenty twenty two fought in
a in an Omaha, Nebraska, in

1164
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,760
a got a title shot against Terrence
Crawford. This is in the fight before

1165
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,319
Crawford fought Errol Spence when he was
you know, did his own thing with

1166
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:35,159
B L K pron and we're not
with a big promoter, and he got

1167
01:11:35,279 --> 01:11:40,039
knocked out in a devastating fashion in
the sixth round. He has since won

1168
01:11:40,119 --> 01:11:43,039
one fight, that was in December, and now he goes into this fight

1169
01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:46,399
against Enny. So I asked Nnis
in the interview that you heard, you

1170
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,399
know, would it be a feather
in your cap because you wanted the fight

1171
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,000
with Crawford if you go in there
and not only because he was talking knockout

1172
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,479
that I'm gonna knock the guy out. Could you do if you did it

1173
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,880
quicker than Crawford, would that at
least be a statement for you? He's

1174
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:01,680
I don't really care about that,
which is fine. I'm going to be

1175
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,159
interested in that. Like if he
can get rid of the guy around the

1176
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:08,239
same time five six, seven rounds, you know, then you know you're

1177
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:11,199
talking as opposed to if it drags
him into like you know, ten to

1178
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:15,479
eleven, twelve or even perhaps the
distance. So not that that's a disqualifying

1179
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,680
factor of his how good he can
be if he happens to go deep into

1180
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,880
the fight with Evanescin or doesn't get
the knockout. But I'm looking for that

1181
01:12:23,239 --> 01:12:26,680
because I think that the guy is
going to just destroy Evanescian and and this

1182
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,920
is gonna have thirteen thousand plus or
so probably in that building at the Wells

1183
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,960
Fargo Center. Philadelphia hasn't had a
big fight in quite a while. And

1184
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:40,680
he's a very very exciting and talented
and cool guy to deal with. I

1185
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,960
mean, I've enjoyed, I've been
I've been talking of Boots and covering him,

1186
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:46,880
you know, since he was in
the early days of fighting on Showbox.

1187
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,199
So good luck, we'll see him
in a big spot here for him

1188
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:56,079
personally in this homecoming fight in Philadelphia
at the Wells Fargo Center. It's where

1189
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:59,159
the Sixers and the Flyers play basketball
and hockey. Let's see what it looks

1190
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:01,039
like for this week. But you
get that in advance of fight week,

1191
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:04,800
all right, A couple of other
news items, then some nostalgia before we

1192
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:11,680
are gone. Canelo Alvarez. We
keep saying that Edgar Berlanga seems to be

1193
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,159
the leading name that he would fight
in September. Nothing's official, and now

1194
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,159
a name has emerged that I think
has perked some people up. Let's say,

1195
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:24,399
in the UK in particular, how
much how much credence do you put

1196
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,279
in the name Chris you Bank Junior
being kicked around? What say you?

1197
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,800
Oh? It's absolutely it's definitely being
discussed and it's definitely being gone back and

1198
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,880
forth between the camps. Now,
my good buddy Chava over at ESPN Deporte's

1199
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:40,359
reported this story that that was a
possibility that he would fight him. In

1200
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:44,119
my own sources that I checked in
with after that came out confirm absolutely one

1201
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,399
hundred percent that they are talking about
doing that possible fight. But Berlanga remains

1202
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:51,079
another candidate. Also, the one
thing that I was told is that the

1203
01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:56,319
third candidate that seemed to be in
some of the reports was also still the

1204
01:13:56,399 --> 01:13:59,520
Jamal Charlotte possibility. I'm told that
is just simply not in the case,

1205
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,359
which happy about because you know,
if you if it's a by, if

1206
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:06,840
it's a choice between Charlo Berlanga or
you Bank, whatever you think about them.

1207
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,279
My opinion, Charlotte would be absolutely
the last of those three that I

1208
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:14,079
would be interested in. You know, I don't love the U Bank fight

1209
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,720
personally speaking. I'm personally more interested
in the Berlanga fight for a lot of

1210
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,880
different reasons. But you know,
you Bank. You know, at least

1211
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:25,239
he's fought good guys at super middleweight. He's you know, beat James de

1212
01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:28,640
Gail. He you know, he
beat Arthur Abraham. He's you know,

1213
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,199
fought Billy Joe Saunders and a loss, even though it was a number of

1214
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:33,359
years ago. He's fought you know, other guys that have had accomplishment in

1215
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:38,680
the super middleweight division. Now.
The one thing that some people have confused

1216
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,600
is that if he did fight you
Bank. From what I am told,

1217
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,720
this is not being discussed as a
fight to do in the UK. This

1218
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,760
would still be come September fourteenth,
which is the Mexican Independence Day weekend Saturday

1219
01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:54,800
in Las Vegas, even though there
is a UFC card that same night where

1220
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,279
I guess they're gonna have the first
ever combat event at the new Las Vegas

1221
01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:01,520
Sphere. They would still go forward
and do a Canelo fight at you know,

1222
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,760
either the T Mobile or the MGM
Grand Garden Arena. Uh, they're

1223
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,479
not. They're not too worried about
that. The sphere for a combat event,

1224
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,840
my understanding, will only hold probably
what twelve thousand, and it's probably

1225
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,800
less that with all the kills because
of the way it's constructed, with the

1226
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,000
you need for the for the television
and all that. So it will also

1227
01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:20,119
be a big event. But there's
room to do those two big events because

1228
01:15:20,119 --> 01:15:24,600
I I I still am convinced.
No one has ever shown me any data

1229
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:30,079
to the contrary that the audience of
a boxing big star fight like a Canelo

1230
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,560
or a big UFC fight, that
the overlap is minimal, that it's just

1231
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,800
that it doesn't eat away from one
or the other. I mean, I

1232
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,319
don't think you want to go out
of your way to schedule things against each

1233
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:42,960
other. But if you did,
it's not like if you were scheduling two

1234
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,800
big MMA things against each other,
or two big boxing matches against each other,

1235
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:48,720
the two at the same time.
I don't think we'll have much of

1236
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,840
a It will be a net.
So whoever it's going to be, if

1237
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,039
it's you Bank, that's fine.
I mean, you Bank will talk it

1238
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:59,199
up. He's a good interview,
he'll he'll, he'll speak and you make

1239
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:00,960
it intriguing. And if it's Berlanga, obviously you've got the element of the

1240
01:16:01,399 --> 01:16:05,520
big Mexico Puerto Rico and Berlanga talks
a lot of shit. That'll be a

1241
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,119
big part of it. Now a
lot of people are saying, well,

1242
01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:11,960
you know he's still duck and David
Benavite's and you know what, Obviously,

1243
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,199
like every boxing fan, of course
I would like to see Canelo fight David

1244
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:17,439
Benavidez. He has not shown interest
in doing so. But I will say

1245
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,279
this in terms of September specifically,
say whatever you want about last fight,

1246
01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:25,119
next fight, this, that,
the other, that the WBC should have

1247
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:29,000
ordered the mandatory, they should have
forced his hand whatever. In the reality

1248
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,079
of the world that I live in, David Benavides, even if Canello said,

1249
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:33,920
Okay, fine, I'll fight David
Donavites, he's not going to be

1250
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:39,000
ready for September because he has a
torn ligament in one hand, he's got

1251
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,920
another injury in the other hand,
and he got cut in the last fight

1252
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,640
that was just a couple of weeks
ago, So he's not going to be

1253
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,920
ready to go back into a training
camp in a few weeks, so he's

1254
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,760
not available for September. Understood,
yep said, at the end of the

1255
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:57,439
day, whatever Canelo's reasons for not
wanting to fight him, even if he

1256
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,359
changed his mind and said, okay, fine, bring him on September fourteenth,

1257
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,359
David is probably not available to do
a match on that day. So

1258
01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:04,880
now you go beyond that, all
right, and who's the who's the next

1259
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,680
opponent And we'll find out in due
time, because that's about sixty days away

1260
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,880
from now. I think we're gonna
find out probably in the next week or

1261
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,760
so. All right, good tease
on that. Okay, you mentioned about

1262
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:18,880
Sean Garcia, the brother of Ryan
Garcia, losing on the undercard of this

1263
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,960
Fan Meo pay per view in Anaheim. Ryan Garcia was there. We we

1264
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:26,880
haven't really covered this and we don't
need to go on and on about it,

1265
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,359
but Garcia, we did touch on
it a little bit on the bet

1266
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:36,159
Us Show. I believe Garcia has
been reprimanded by the WBC. Golden Boy

1267
01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:42,479
has disavowed him now after racist comments
he made an in an online social media

1268
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,600
live interview. Garcia tried to play
it off as joking throughout throughout the interview.

1269
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:53,119
He's also talking about child rape,
for example, in addition to racist

1270
01:17:53,119 --> 01:17:59,039
comments. Clearly we have said for
two or three months not well his arrest,

1271
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,840
including covering a rest for destroying a
Beverly Hills hotel room. Clearly all

1272
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,920
the people that said he was trolling
leading up to the to the fight against

1273
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:09,600
Haney, I said from day one, this is real. He's got problems.

1274
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,359
This is not a troll. Maybe
partially, but absolutely he's fucked up,

1275
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,079
you know, drinking, drugs,
partying, the whole thing issues,

1276
01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:21,039
allegedly headed to rehab, but not
in rehab severy night yet so well,

1277
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:24,800
he actually tweeted like I skipped reeap
to go to my brother's fight. Like

1278
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,439
that doesn't to me, that does
not show any level of seriousness about recognizing

1279
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,960
your problem. But to think about
it is this, It's one thing if

1280
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,920
you want to say crazy shit,
it's one thing that you get busted for

1281
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:39,920
peds or even like you know,
you had had a bendur and you fucked

1282
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,319
up a hotel room. I mean, you know, we've seen plenty of

1283
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:45,720
the rock stars do that, and
that's not cool, but it happens.

1284
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:49,920
I find it very difficult to come
back in our society when you go on

1285
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,760
your social media of your own free
will and you write the following, fuck

1286
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,359
all inward, and he spelled it
out, fuck all Muslims, and that's

1287
01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:03,960
what he wrote, among other things
that were very very inappropriate. Then he

1288
01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:09,560
went on his own live stream and
he said, I hate N word,

1289
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,920
I'm anti black, I'm the KKK. Hey, let's go bring George Floyd

1290
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,800
back to life and go kill that
N word again. That you do not

1291
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,640
come back from that in our society. I mean, I was just reading

1292
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:28,760
an article in the newspaper unrelated to
Ryan Garcia about what's the actor's name that

1293
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,640
was in Seinfeld that played Kramer,
Michael Richards. Michael Richards who said some

1294
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:39,600
unfortunate racial things in one of his
comedy acts. Right was basically he's been

1295
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,439
has been. Yeah, he's basically
been canceled for fifteen years since he did

1296
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,199
that post Seinfeld. Now, I
don't I'm not I'm not saying that people

1297
01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:48,359
should be canceled for fifteen years either, because I do think they are can

1298
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:53,720
show real sorrow and regret for what
they did, and you know, people

1299
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,720
deserve a second chance. But right
now, Ryan Garcia is in my opinion,

1300
01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:00,920
he's just fucked up, and honestly, he should get the derision.

1301
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,840
It's one thing to feel compassionate for
somebody that has a mental health problem,

1302
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,000
whether that it's dealing with an alcohol
problem or a drug problem, but you

1303
01:20:06,079 --> 01:20:10,159
cannot say things like that, Yeah, I know, because I'm gonna use

1304
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:13,960
them. I mean, we've heard
this before representing other other sort of comments,

1305
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:16,439
but it's the very famous line from
the great poet Maya Angelo. But

1306
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,800
people show you who they are,
Believe them. Yeah, And if you're

1307
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:25,079
saying these types of things and then
you make some half ass apology where you

1308
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:30,000
try to make excuses and and kind
of I was choking around is one of

1309
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,920
them? We're joking around. We
should dig up George Floyd and kill that

1310
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:35,920
in again. Is not a fucking
joke. Noah, Yeah, all right,

1311
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,800
so this was interesting too. On
the de owned Golden Boys show,

1312
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,399
Oscar de la Hoya address this prior
to the main event fight and said,

1313
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,000
listen, I am somebody that has
been in rehab. He said, I

1314
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:49,279
have been in touch with Ryan Garcia, and he goes. The thing that

1315
01:20:49,319 --> 01:20:54,640
I don't understand is every time I've
talked to him, he's fine. He's

1316
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,600
talking about the future, he's talking
about having to ride out the suspension.

1317
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,319
Oscar even revealed we were looking at
trying to do some kind of an exhibition

1318
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,720
with him to get him paid.
He didn't say what kind of exhibition,

1319
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:11,800
boxing exhibition, would it be something
else? Uh, But Oscar Oscar even

1320
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,640
said at this point, I don't
understand this, and we are basically he

1321
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,079
said, we as Golden Boy,
don't condone this. And he's got to

1322
01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:23,680
go get help. So there's where
it stands, well where at because he

1323
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,760
said I'm going to rehabit. Then
he blew it off to go to his

1324
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,079
brother's boxing match, and uh,
and then I saw him being escorted out

1325
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:31,479
of the arena by police or security
apparently there was. And by the way,

1326
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,359
let me tell you, when you
say the kind of shit that he

1327
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,840
said, there are people out there
that are going to be far more offendive

1328
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,359
than I who may take a hand
and say, yeah, you want to

1329
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:43,680
say that to my face, bro, and and and maybe have a knife

1330
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:45,760
or maybe have a gun or maybe
I know, you know, some other

1331
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,159
way to take care of that.
We don't. We don't wish that it

1332
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:50,600
escalates to those kind of things.
But this is what you're doing. And

1333
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:57,079
so uh yeah, the trouble only
magnifies even more for him, and we'll

1334
01:21:57,079 --> 01:22:00,399
see long run if he can ever
get his act again. There's a lot

1335
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:01,760
of belief he's never going to get
his act together at this point, the

1336
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,840
way he has spiraled down one,
all right, and still facing the rest

1337
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:12,079
of the suspension and facing the vandalism
felony charges in California. And by the

1338
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:15,800
way, if there is the type
of I mean, just from what we've

1339
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,359
seen, the drug and alcohol problems, he's got a long road to conquer

1340
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:21,359
that because that's forever. That's forever
that you're trying to get that that Oscar

1341
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:26,000
talked about, he was in rehab
for drugs and alcohol four different times.

1342
01:22:26,319 --> 01:22:30,439
So in his trust, be very
he was being very open about that.

1343
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,560
All right, nostalgia And then we
are done. Have we talked enough about

1344
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,479
bad judging on the previous show and
on this show I think we have coming

1345
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,680
up on Tuesday, it is the
thirteenth anniversary of a of an absolute awful

1346
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,079
decision and you've you've talked about this
before in the podcast that led to one

1347
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:53,840
of the most fascinating punishment punishments for
all three judges elaborate on this real quick

1348
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,439
well. This of course is the
junior middleway fight that took place in Atlantic

1349
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,640
City between Paul Williams and Arislondi Lara. Both of them were world champions,

1350
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:05,640
although they weren't at the time.
This was a non title fight. Williams

1351
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,680
had won a world title at welterweight, Lara had you know, went on

1352
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,880
and became a champion in the grym
midleweight division. They both had excellent careers,

1353
01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:15,279
but this was like an HBO card. They did this fight in the

1354
01:23:15,319 --> 01:23:17,520
boardwalk hall in a Lytic city,
but not in the big maner in.

1355
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,000
It was in the smaller venue upstairs. I covered this fight, this is

1356
01:23:21,399 --> 01:23:30,000
like you said July ninth, twenty
eleven, and Paul Williams looked like he

1357
01:23:30,079 --> 01:23:32,079
lost basically every round of the fight. You know, Paul was getting beyond

1358
01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:39,199
his best days at that point.
Paul was a ridiculous handful for anybody when

1359
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:42,079
he was at his best. But
this was the second to last fight of

1360
01:23:42,119 --> 01:23:44,079
his career. Obviously, he probably
would have still thought if he hadn't had

1361
01:23:44,079 --> 01:23:47,439
the motorcycle accident, but he was
already pretty well done because the fight before

1362
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,800
this, Just to put it in
context, this was Paul's comeback fight after

1363
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,920
at the About in the end of
twenty ten. In November, that's when

1364
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:02,159
he took the massive and I mean
massive, second round knockout loss against Sergio

1365
01:24:02,199 --> 01:24:04,960
Martinez in a middleway title fight.
People have always asked me, like,

1366
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:09,680
what are the biggest knockouts you've ever
been to? I always cite Paul Williams

1367
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,079
getting drilled by Sergio Martinez is among
the top two or three knockouts. First,

1368
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,239
that was yes. So now that
was November of twenty ten. Fast

1369
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:23,720
forward now eight months to eight nine
months to in July of twenty eleven,

1370
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,920
he comes back against Laura, who
at the time was undefeated. Uh and

1371
01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:32,079
you know it's a high stakes fight
HBO main event, and Lara runs him

1372
01:24:32,079 --> 01:24:35,000
out of the ring. Everybody,
I mean, I was ringsidn everybody had

1373
01:24:35,079 --> 01:24:38,680
him winning, you know, nine
to three, ten two whatever. I

1374
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,880
mean, just a wipeout for Laura, who absolutely fucking played with him.

1375
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:45,279
And then, of course, like
all the nonsense, it certainly seems apropos

1376
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:48,600
that we're discussing it today after what
we saw in the Oshaki Foster fight about

1377
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:54,439
twenty pounds twenty five pounds south.
Anyway, the scores are read, one

1378
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,760
judge has it one fourteen to one
fourteen, so a draw, which is

1379
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,239
like, you're like, that's a
horrible fucking card. He got away with

1380
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:04,600
it because he didn't get the derision
because uh, that was Al Bennett'scorrek Caar,

1381
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:10,680
Donald Gibbons and Hilton Whittaker had the
fucking audacity to score that fight for

1382
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:15,279
Paul Williams one sixteen, one fourteen
and one fifteen one fourteen. And I

1383
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,279
just remember very specifically sitting there in
my chair and like hearing those scores and

1384
01:25:19,279 --> 01:25:24,159
looking at like the other media,
uh people in my area looking around,

1385
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,359
and and nobody nobody's even saying anything. It was all sort of like like

1386
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:31,119
we were all trying to process.
Like I think the thought was maybe if

1387
01:25:31,119 --> 01:25:33,560
we don't say anything for like the
next five or ten seconds, they're going

1388
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,840
to come back to the microphone and
say, we have a mistake. Yeah,

1389
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:41,439
reread their scores correctly. Didn't happen, And so you mentioned about the

1390
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,199
punishment. Now, I don't know
if this is an unprecedent. Think I

1391
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:46,399
can't say that it's never happened,
but certainly in my experience at least at

1392
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:49,680
the highest level on a way of
covering fights for almost twenty five years,

1393
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:55,439
I don't ever remember this happening.
They did. They the New Jersey Uh,

1394
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,319
their their regulatory board, the New
Jersey Commission. It's not really a

1395
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:03,319
commission, they call the Athletic Control
Board. They suspended all three judges,

1396
01:26:03,399 --> 01:26:08,439
not including the judge that scored to
fight a draw. They they suspend all

1397
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,000
three judges. That was like a
big, big deal, big story.

1398
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,159
Uh. And I have to tell
you, I'm not sure if any of

1399
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,760
the judges have ever scored another fight
since then or they were permanently put out

1400
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,560
the passer. So that goes to
your content, your your concepttion. Now

1401
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:27,000
we go back to Michael Douglas in
the game. Actually confidence is restored in

1402
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:31,520
the process. So that was that
was a huge, huge thing. They

1403
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,039
had done the full review and they
didn't find you, look, they were

1404
01:26:35,079 --> 01:26:38,800
seeing that anybody try to get a
bribe. Was there any sort of like

1405
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:42,640
thing on tour. They didn't find
any evidence of any kind of sketchy business

1406
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,439
like that. Uh. They just
suspended all three of them, uh for

1407
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,640
pending additional training. And I don't
know if they got training or they didn't.

1408
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:53,439
But I don't remember if anybody's ever
scored again, and I've never heard

1409
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,399
of I've never heard of any of
those three guys, and you've been around

1410
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,920
much longer since the aular judge he
did. But I'm talking about title fights

1411
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,399
or whatever, New York, New
Jersey. You ever heard of any of

1412
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,079
them? And you know so,
Hilton Winker, I'm looking on his box

1413
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:09,720
Treck. He did come back and
have some fights after that, but not

1414
01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:13,319
he hasn't had at least according to
box Treck, he has not done any

1415
01:27:13,319 --> 01:27:17,960
fights in twenty sixteen. Since then, Donald Gibbons also did some other fights

1416
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,319
in twenty sixteen, but I don't
remember remember being in any kind of significant

1417
01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:25,520
fight. Hasn't worked anything since then. And Al Bennett, that was the

1418
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:30,119
guy that had the draw. He
actually judged up until twenty twenty. Did

1419
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:32,640
come back after a long sabbatical,
but again hasn't judged in a while.

1420
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,319
But even when they went back and
had other assignments, it didn't seem like

1421
01:27:36,359 --> 01:27:41,479
they were doing anything of significant nature, major television fights, world championship fights,

1422
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,079
things along those lines. So that
was one where you can disagree with

1423
01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:47,399
the way the commissions deal with things
at times. The New Jersey folks got

1424
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:54,079
that one right by getting rid of
those three bumps all right seventeen years ago

1425
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:57,560
on the night that we're recording this
July seven, two thousand and seven,

1426
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:03,560
a huge, big one point Fornito
don Air. Tell me more about this

1427
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,000
as a legendary fighter that you talked
a bunch about. But what about the

1428
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:10,479
nostalgia here as well for July seventh, Well, this was the coming out

1429
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,479
party. I mean, people really
didn't know much about no Needo at the

1430
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,159
time. He wasn't a big name. He might I think he might have

1431
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:18,159
been on a show box perhaps,
or maybe that was even his brother boy

1432
01:28:18,199 --> 01:28:20,079
he was. He was just like
a good up and coming guy, but

1433
01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:24,119
no one really knew much about him. And Vic Darchinyan, who was the

1434
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:27,640
IBF champion at that time, was
a big knockout artist, and they were

1435
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:32,239
fighting on an undercard of Showtime in
you know, he was defending the world

1436
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:38,720
title against Donair, and this was
the This was the introduction of what of

1437
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,359
what became a legendary fighter. A
guy that ended up in Donair won titles

1438
01:28:42,359 --> 01:28:45,680
in four different weight classes, five
if you count an interim title. He

1439
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,880
won in the in the junior bantamweight
division, became a Fighter of the Year,

1440
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:53,840
engaged in a Fight of the Year
in his first bout with in a

1441
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:58,239
Way, and just had a remarkable
run unified titles at one hundred and twenty

1442
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:02,479
two pounds. Was the first ever
to go through the VADA testing not only

1443
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,119
for a particular fight, but twenty
four to seven, three sixty five,

1444
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:10,680
and this was the start of the
legend where we learned all about the massive

1445
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:15,159
and incredible left hook the Donair owns. This was a spectacular victory, you

1446
01:29:15,159 --> 01:29:18,279
know it was. It was it
overshadowed. The fight was in Bridgeport,

1447
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:23,920
Connecticut because one of the fighters in
that in the main event was Harvest Simms,

1448
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,920
who was from that area. He
lost his junior middleweight title in the

1449
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,000
main event the Canadian fighter Joachim Alcine. But the one that stole the show

1450
01:29:30,079 --> 01:29:34,520
was Donair. Absolutely flattening and I
mean flattening d'artagnian, who was a hell

1451
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,199
of a fighter in his own right, undefeated, big knockout artist, and

1452
01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:42,039
he put him away with one gigantic
punch in round number five. Beat him

1453
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:44,640
again a few years later in a
rematch when Vic was no longer at his

1454
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,079
best. But this was when you
know, Vic was in his prime and

1455
01:29:46,119 --> 01:29:48,800
at his best, and No Needle
but his blow him away and went on

1456
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:50,840
to have, you know, a
Hall of Fame career. I mean,

1457
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,199
whatever happens if he comes back and
fights again. I don't know if No

1458
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:57,319
Needle was going to fight again.
He's coming off the fight last July where

1459
01:29:57,319 --> 01:30:01,600
he lost the title in a world
title fight for a vacant title against Alessandro

1460
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:08,000
Santiago on that Errol Spence Terrence Crawford
card. Since yeah, he hasn't thought

1461
01:30:08,039 --> 01:30:11,439
since then, I haven't heard of
anything in the works. But if he

1462
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,560
is, if he is done with
his career and he's forty one years old,

1463
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,960
but he became the oldest fighter ever
to win a flyway title for example

1464
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,079
when up and weight came down and
wait went all the way up to the

1465
01:30:20,079 --> 01:30:24,560
featherweight. Anyway, this was the
start of the legend and from there on,

1466
01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:27,840
don Air was part of the boxing
consciousness for the next you know,

1467
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,039
from that time forward, and it
was a great Victorian and we got to

1468
01:30:31,039 --> 01:30:33,760
see the birth of one of the
great fighters of our time in terms of

1469
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:39,119
his high accomplishment. And one more
piece of nostalgia in parting, and that

1470
01:30:39,359 --> 01:30:44,199
is July seventh would have been the
great legendary trainer from the Cronc Gym and

1471
01:30:44,279 --> 01:30:49,039
the longtime HBO broadcaster after that,
the Emmanuel Steward would have been eighty years

1472
01:30:49,079 --> 01:30:55,680
old on July seventh of twenty twenty
four. I know you've talked even on

1473
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,800
the anniversary of his passing, and
you've talked on other occasions too about Emmanuel

1474
01:31:00,319 --> 01:31:02,680
and your friendship with him throughout covering
the sport. What else, what else

1475
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,760
here do we want to say about
this? Well, every time that the

1476
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,560
anniversary has come around of you know, his passing or perhaps his birthday,

1477
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,720
you know, I think about him. I think about him more than that,

1478
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,880
I tell you the truth, because
he was a very important part of

1479
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,960
my early days as a boxing journalist
where I got to know him, and

1480
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:21,159
I always remember, like my first
interaction with him. I had spoke to

1481
01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:25,760
him on the telephone when I first
started working at USA Today because I was

1482
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,119
writing an article about Thomas Hearns who
was going to have a fight, and

1483
01:31:29,159 --> 01:31:30,199
I was doing a piece for the
paper about that. But that was a

1484
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:32,920
couple of months before I ever met
Emmanuel. When I went out to cover

1485
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:39,279
my first ever fight in person for
USA Today as the official boxing national writer.

1486
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,199
I went to New York City to
cover Lennox Lewis against Michael Grant.

1487
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:46,680
This is in April of two thousand
and Obviously, Emmanuel was Lenox's trainer,

1488
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,079
and so I went to the workout
at the Madison Square Garden Theater where all

1489
01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:51,800
the media was and the guys,
you know, we're going to do their

1490
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:57,640
their media workout. And at that
workout is the first time I met Emmanuel

1491
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,079
in person, and I remember he
came over she because he didn't know what

1492
01:32:00,119 --> 01:32:02,840
I looked like. He just had
spoken to me on the telephone. But

1493
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,560
the week of that fight they had, we were doing the new rankings that

1494
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:10,000
we did for USA Today that that
was one of my responsibilities. So for

1495
01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:13,560
the very first time we ever had
them in the paper coincided with that fight

1496
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,279
week, so they made like a
big deal about it, and they put

1497
01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:18,760
my picture with the rankings in the
paper. Now, normally when the rankings

1498
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,439
would run, they didn't put my
photo, but for the very first one,

1499
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,319
they sort of introduced me and put
my picture in the paper and with

1500
01:32:25,359 --> 01:32:29,359
the rankings. The whole thing Emmanuel
had seen that as to a lot of

1501
01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:31,520
the boxing people and was thrilled that
the paper was covering them, and that

1502
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,199
having spoken to me and having read
the rankings sort of as it was relayed

1503
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:39,079
to me, like, Okay,
he must he seems like he knows what

1504
01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:41,920
he's talking about or what he's doing. So I remember meeting him at that

1505
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,439
workout and he comes up to me
again I never met him before, immediately

1506
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,439
gives me a big hug, and
from that moment forward, Emmanuel and I,

1507
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,399
you know, developed a close relationship. I consider him a friend,

1508
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,439
like a guy. We could talk
about things that were not even boxing related

1509
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,680
sometimes, but he always wanted to
talk about boxing and and just he had

1510
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,800
one of the greatest careers of ether. Here's the thing, one of the

1511
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,119
greatest careers ever. What puts him
in the Hall of fame. He's known

1512
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:08,800
mostly for being a great a great
trainer, but people forget sometimes he was

1513
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:13,840
also a great manager. Obviously,
he was a broadcaster because the the generation

1514
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:15,520
that didn't necessarily know him as a
trainer came to know him and loved him

1515
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,760
as a great broadcaster on HBO,
where he had some of the most great

1516
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:24,920
calls and just he just gave off
such a degree of like just love for

1517
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,600
the sport and just happiness giddiness when
he would see a good fight, but

1518
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,199
also was honest if he saw a
shit fight or somebody did and did not

1519
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,880
approach things the right way, he
had no problem of speaking his piece about

1520
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:40,199
that. And I mean he's known
obviously for the three biggest names that he

1521
01:33:40,279 --> 01:33:45,119
trained. That's Lennix Lewis, Thomas
Hearns and Vladimir Klitschkow, three all time

1522
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,760
greats, you know, two heavyweight
champions, and obviously Tommy Earns part of

1523
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:51,000
the Four Kings. But I went
and I looked up what I'd written about

1524
01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:54,359
him when he passed, because I
just I knew I had made this list.

1525
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,800
So besides the guys at the CRONC, which included like Hilmer, Kinty

1526
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,760
and other fighters that came out of
that stable, obvious Hearns was part of

1527
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,800
that guys that he trained at one
time or another who were well known.

1528
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,640
This is just a few of them, because he trained dozens of guys in

1529
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:12,680
no particular order, Mike McCallum,
Jimmy Paul, Michael Moore, Dennis Andres

1530
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:16,239
Milton, McCrory, Dwayne Thomas,
Gerald McClellan, Evander Holyfield, Oliver McCall,

1531
01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:20,199
john, David Jackson, Julio Sezar
Chavez, Oscar de la Hoya,

1532
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:26,399
Prince Nasim Hahmed, Jermaine Taylor,
Chad Dawson, Miguel Coto, and Canine

1533
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,960
Bundridge, all who were guys at
one world titles at one time or another.

1534
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:35,880
That's just that is beyond and I
think, as you were rattling that

1535
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:40,960
off, I never knew about Chavez, I never knew about Prince Nasim Hamed

1536
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,399
and some of those other names because
you just think of him synonymously with the

1537
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,000
Kronk fighters, with Hearns and then
with the heavyweights. But it's amazing.

1538
01:34:47,319 --> 01:34:53,760
Here's what makes him so great.
Among other things, he had the ability

1539
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:57,840
to take a fighter from literally the
beginning like a Hearns and developed him.

1540
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,840
He was with a lot of guys
at the very beginning, empty a lot

1541
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,720
of these Crownk guys and build them
from day one to champions. He also

1542
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:10,960
became the ultimate hired gun where if
a guy needed a new voice or something

1543
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,640
to help change things around or a
new direction, where he could come in

1544
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,039
with a fighter that was already very
experienced and kind of remold them. I

1545
01:35:16,079 --> 01:35:20,119
mean, the job he did with
Klitchkow took him from being a guy who

1546
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:25,359
had been you know, had gotten
knocked out. Their first fight together,

1547
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,960
he got knocked out by Layman Brewster. Matter of fact, today also Sunday

1548
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,119
is the anniversary of the rematch when
he knocked out Brewster to retain the heavyweight

1549
01:35:33,359 --> 01:35:35,880
with the manual in this quarner.
But he lost that first fight with Manny

1550
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:41,760
in Las Vegas against Brewster, they
didn't separate, and from then on he

1551
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:46,640
was a pivotal part of helping Vladimir
to what became his historic second title reign

1552
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,640
with the you know a million you
know, stayed on top for like a

1553
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:54,800
decade. Emmanuel with Glitchkow will be
the first one to tell you that he

1554
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,279
would never be in that position if
it wasn't for Emmanuel story, because he

1555
01:35:58,279 --> 01:36:02,479
helped them both in terms of his
game offensively and defensively, but more importantly

1556
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:05,800
the mentality. Emmanuel, as great
of a trainer as he was, was

1557
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,600
the ultimate psychologist. I have told
this story before, I will tell him

1558
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,560
briefly once again. The night before
Lennox Lewis had his rematch with Hassin Rockman,

1559
01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:16,720
which he was coming off a very
devastating knockout loss that cost him the

1560
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:20,840
heavyweight title. A lot of people
thought that Lennox was awfully fragile mentally going

1561
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:25,359
into that rematch. And I sat
with Emmanuel Stewart at a little lounge at

1562
01:36:25,359 --> 01:36:29,560
the Mandolin day was myself and maybe
three or four other reporters, and you

1563
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:30,760
know, just shooting the shit.
This was not like for interviews. We

1564
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,960
were just hanging out night before the
fight, and Emmanuel says, I gotta

1565
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,399
go, guys, I gotta go
up, but I gotta see my champion

1566
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,600
and I got to get his head
right. And Lennox Lewis came out and

1567
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,600
I don't know what Emmanuel said to
him, but he had Lenox in great

1568
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,600
shape mentally and physically. And Lennox
Lewis came out the next night and absolutely

1569
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,800
fucking flat and Rockman in the center
of the ring, right where the Don

1570
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:55,800
King logo crown was what it looked
like from the overhead picture that Rockman's wearing

1571
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,880
the Don King crown. But that's
the kind of guy Emanuel was have hing

1572
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,520
in great shape him with the game
plan, have the motivation, speak to

1573
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,880
them psychologically beforehand, and then when
you're in the ring, have no fear

1574
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:10,640
to tell them what you think.
I know, think about Lennox Lewis in

1575
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,359
the Mike Tyson bite. He's beating
the shit and the Mangos getting pissed because

1576
01:37:13,359 --> 01:37:15,439
han't knock him out. You know, he's still in there throwing that shit,

1577
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:16,520
and now've turn that shit over and
get this motherfucker out of here.

1578
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,800
He's still dangerous. He was screaming
at him and he's winning every single round.

1579
01:37:20,039 --> 01:37:24,079
When Klitschko was going the distance,
it looked like with Eddie Chambers and

1580
01:37:24,119 --> 01:37:27,479
they're into the eleventh round in Vladimir
spot Oh dominating win, but it's not

1581
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,279
exciting anybody. He's like, we
don't need another shit decision. We don't

1582
01:37:30,279 --> 01:37:31,399
need to go twelve rounds with this
man. Get this. You know.

1583
01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:33,000
I don't know if he said get
him out of here and use this to

1584
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:38,199
the F word, but he basically
dressed him down. And Vladimir, you

1585
01:37:38,279 --> 01:37:40,159
see on the video, he's like, okay, okay, okay, leave

1586
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:42,760
me alone. And he went out
there and we're like fifteen seconds off in

1587
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,479
the fight. He fucking flatten Chambers
Emmanuel had that way about him sure where

1588
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,520
he could give you the tough love
and also give you the love love,

1589
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:54,439
and I love the Manuel Stewart would
have been eighty on July seventh, Man,

1590
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:59,039
what a show. Tons on the
recaps, Boots in this week this

1591
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:01,039
week for the ib F welterweight title. You heard from him on the pod

1592
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,600
News and Nostalgia. Make sure you're
following, make sure you're subscribing. Are

1593
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,600
we ready to have a good week? We ready to rock on? I

1594
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,319
hear in the hot, hot summer
of July, Brother Rafaeld, we gave

1595
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:15,399
him a ton on the Fight Freaks
for night recap. I'll do us a

1596
01:38:15,399 --> 01:38:17,199
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Please, yes, rate us review us

1597
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:20,039
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1598
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:24,439
Tell them how wonderful Rayfield is,
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1599
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:28,520
fighters and and are somewhat capable hosts. Yes, and by the way,

1600
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:34,800
I will applaud and give top billing
to whatever a mission or organization deletes a

1601
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:39,439
judge as a championship judge. In
response to some of this, can we

1602
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:44,319
do that once to make things know? All right? With that? Brother

1603
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Rayfield, have a good week,
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a good recall. So there is
Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves.

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