WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.040 Fundraising, fraud, and other such wonderful things that have been happening through the 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:11.279 telephone. So let's delve in as we go and try and get some of 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.119 this to go. So let's have a good ring on here. Who's going 4 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:19.000 to answer me that this is going to ring ring, ring ring. Hello? 5 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.079 Well, I have to say thank you, Phoebe. I just wanted 6 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:26.519 to say that. In this latest investigation, Pro public uncovered a network of 7 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:34.759 political nonprofits that exploit donors by redirecting over ninety percent of contributions to fundraisers rather 8 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:40.039 than the promise causes. These groups include the American Breast Cancer Coalition, manipulating 9 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:45.399 compassionate donors who believe in donations day cancer patients, veterans, and firefighters. 10 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:50.759 To evade penalties that have these people have been banned from charitable fundraising, these 11 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:56.359 operators have switched to political fundraising. This loophole allows them to continue their deceptive 12 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:03.240 practices under the guise of political adnolacy, underscoring significant regulatory and oversight deficiencies. 13 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.359 This story is from Pro publica by Elis Somani on June eighteenth, twenty twenty 14 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:12.120 four. So I can tell you why they haven't been banned from political fund 15 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:17.400 raising, and that's because the First Amendment makes it very difficult to ban people 16 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:23.760 from political speech and money. As far as Citizens United Versus Federal Election Commissions 17 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:26.680 concerned, is a form of speech, and it's for political speech, and 18 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:33.920 therefore under Citizens United Versus Federal Election Commission you can't restrict political speech in the 19 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.239 way that was being done. So the First Amendment says that political speech is 20 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.000 the most difficult and highest bar too restrict, and it is now and impossible 21 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.959 to restrict political speech. So political speech under the First Amendment allows the First 22 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:52.359 Amendment to be cannibalized by the First Amendment because the First Amendment allows political speech 23 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:57.439 to advocate that political speech can destroy the First Amendment by advocating for the policies 24 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:04.439 or destroy the First Amendment. Well, I say is this is a dense 25 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.120 article and there's a lot to go. Thank you for illustrating that, Phoebe. 26 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:13.080 Look, here's the issue that I'm saying with all this. So you've 27 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.039 got these people who know how to play these games, they know these loopholes. 28 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:20.000 The reason they can play these games and know these loopholes is because of 29 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.120 how they've been educated. The access to understanding this stuff, you know, 30 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.599 and then the people around them know this type of stuff. Blah blah blah. 31 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:31.479 You know, it's crazy because before I'm just a working class welding guy. 32 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.680 You know, I'm a welding inspector. I'm just I supervise other welders. 33 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.080 I wouldn't know shit about this. This is like so not part of 34 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:47.159 like the daily American working class experience loopholes, and I rs shit and blah 35 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:52.000 blah blah. It's insane. This is my bread and butcher. This is 36 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.400 my bread and butcher, this kind of stuff. Being in the legal field, 37 00:02:54.439 --> 00:03:00.599 this is my bread and butter. I know just where and when people 38 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.360 will start sailing the America's cup, how far they'll get through before the mast 39 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.759 catches, and I will know exactly when they need to turn around and you 40 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.599 know, head for home. This is this is unfortunately, my bread and 41 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:16.159 butter. It's not saying that I endorse or encourage or have clients where I 42 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:21.240 do this for. I am no Saul Goodman in this world or Jimmy McGill 43 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.599 or you know, Gene Tacific, whatever you want to call that character. 44 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:30.680 But as somebody who is legally trained this is one of the problems of having 45 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.560 the law as it currently stands. The tax code as it was current as 46 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:38.840 it currently stands, is volumes. Somebody said that once an appropriations bill was 47 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:46.680 passed by Congress that weighed thirty seven pounds when it was printed off. That's 48 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.319 that's not British pounds, that's US pounds. So for you those of you 49 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:55.800 using the metric system, that's about fourteen kiloas this damn thing weighed. We 50 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:03.599 are talking and absolutely inordinate or waste that he's created by the regulations that you 51 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:09.520 can sail. You can race the Monaco Grolm pre through it and have the 52 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:14.159 entire Formula One World Championship race quite happily through all of these loopholes, and 53 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:18.160 I'm sure Infidel wants to do that. Well, I'll spare the loopholes because 54 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:24.439 I think that they probably already know what they're doing well enough that I'm not 55 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.800 even going to try to explain it. But i will say that one in 56 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:31.480 particular, I noticed Thomas burk and Bush. They mentioned him, and it 57 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:38.279 seemed that almost immediately after being convicted or actually was settled, it was a 58 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:43.720 settlement that when they got these bands and these fines immediately, he just rolled 59 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:49.560 right over to an office edge LLC and under him they found ten different groups 60 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:55.480 that are connected to him that have raised collectively over thirty three million dollars. 61 00:04:55.720 --> 00:05:00.240 And then this is just so odd because they are taking advantage of this same 62 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.839 people. It's like they're mining from the same farm of people who have good 63 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.959 intentions. And you know, it's almost like a church. You know, 64 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:12.319 you find the people with the good intentions and the people who have a bleeding 65 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:14.920 heart, a heart that they want to be in the world to be a 66 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.040 better place. And they hear who wouldn't want to help cancer patients, who 67 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.279 wouldn't want to help veterans, And so they take these causes that reach in 68 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:27.079 and grab people by the heart, and what do they do. They take 69 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.480 advantage of them. And that's where I have an issue with this whole thing 70 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.040 of well, it's First Amendment, so we really can't touch it. I 71 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.800 get what they're saying, but the bottom line is is that I don't think 72 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:44.720 Thomas Burkinbush's First Amendment rights a freedom of speech would be inhibited if he wasn't 73 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.920 allowed to be in political fundraising. He may have to go find a real 74 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:54.639 job but they're IRS is saying they're not. They can't do anything about it. 75 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.519 This blows my fucking mind again. I know, construction workers, welders, 76 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.040 all the guys, everybody, and then the trades in the industries. 77 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.680 IRS will go after each one of these guys for ten thousand dollars, fifteen 78 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:09.360 thousand dollars, twenty thousand dollars. They have plenty of time to go after 79 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.720 the fucking low hanging fruit, which is the poor in the working class, 80 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.600 just like we see in the fucking legal system and every other system. They 81 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.160 target the poorer working class. But somehow, some way, this it's easy, 82 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:23.279 it's easy eat. But somehow this thirty three million dollars all we don't 83 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.959 know what to do with it. It's disgusting to me. It is so 84 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:30.800 fucking discussing because the tax code is written to allow these scurits to operate. 85 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.360 I mean, these five twenty sevens they operate quite openly. These five twenty 86 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:39.600 sevens, they spread lies when they are given the chance. I mean, 87 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.120 does anybody remember Bush v. Carry two thousand and four? Do why the 88 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.199 review to remember that election? Yes? Unfortunately, why the review to remember 89 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:53.800 a five to twenty seven that was called swift Veterans for Truth, so that 90 00:06:54.040 --> 00:07:03.600 organization spread lies about drown Kerry getting his purple still rubbish. But you can't 91 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:10.000 touch them because it's political speech. You can't touch them because it's an advert 92 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:14.920 through A five twenty seven. You can't touch them because the Supreme Court has 93 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.279 codified that you can't touch that kind of speech in a fair and open, 94 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:23.680 democratic society. Whether I agree with that is absolutely relevant, But that's what 95 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.680 the current state of the war is. What you have here, though, 96 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:30.759 is you have scam PACs. I mean, the people that donated the Swift 97 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.240 Boat Veterans of Truth knew that they were a George W. Bush leaning organization 98 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:39.160 that was going to attack John Kerry somehow. The fact that they used a 99 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:43.680 broad version of the truth, which is probably you know, truth calling it 100 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.120 that is probably not an accurate statement by me. But these scam pacts, 101 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:51.160 they are not actually doing what they're saying. You actually have to have some 102 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:58.439 kind of political output to actually be a political action committee. There's no political 103 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.480 output in these action committees because what's going on is nepotism, hoovering up of 104 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:09.879 funds on other things that are unrelated to the politics that is being advocated in 105 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.480 advanced here. So what's going on. It's the lining of the pockets and 106 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:18.720 aunts of themselves, are the companies of sisters, of wives, you name 107 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.160 it. Everyone's in on the game on this because it's millions of dollars and 108 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.560 it's really difficult to get out because of Supreme Court, in its infinite wisdom, 109 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.319 has said, political speech is money. Political speed is not just what 110 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:37.480 you see here. It's the almighty dollar bill, it's the almighty fifty cents, 111 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:43.120 it's these coins are political speech. Apparently this is a form of political 112 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:48.679 speech, which is absolutely absurd, that's fuscinating. I don't even consider this 113 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.120 political speech. So then, and that's the problem where the code clearly needs 114 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.279 to be rewritten, because essentially what you have is you have a group of 115 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.879 people who are in the business of raising for a political cause under the guise 116 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.919 of charity. And if you're going to use a charity as your front of 117 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.919 saying this is to help charities, then at some point I think that you 118 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.960 need to be able to legally demonstrate that some charitable organization is reaping those rewards. 119 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.639 And because at this you just have fundraising for the act of fundraising to 120 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.000 give it to other groups who are supposedly fundraising for the same thing. It's 121 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:31.960 really just a rents and repeat onraising. What they're doing here. What they're 122 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:37.080 doing here is they have the same thing as a peer review circle. Here. 123 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:43.120 So for those of you who have seen episodes on creationism and evolution and 124 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:48.559 intelligent design, where you have these groups of so called scientific researched things that 125 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.600 have been peer reviewed, where they haven't actually been independently peer review by group 126 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:54.639 of peers, They've just been peer reviewed by group of people who would agree 127 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.759 with the same or what you have here is you have the same circle the 128 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:01.799 okay, we all raise the money, will pay you to do the appmin 129 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.360 who will then pay you to do the appmen who will then pay you to 130 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.600 do the appening, who will then pay you to do the appening, who 131 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.320 will then pay you to you to you, And the output of this is 132 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:18.120 so minimal that it is absolutely mind bending. The layers of shell that you 133 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.919 have to go through to get to the core that then shows that there is 134 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:28.399 absolutely nothing in the middle of this at all, apart from a few hundred 135 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:33.240 dollars here and there going on an advert here and there for breast cancer, 136 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.159 as was listed in the article. This lawsuit, which is now on class 137 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:43.000 action by the individuals in California who have been targeted by these scamp acts, 138 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.879 is going to be very interesting because if a judge entertains this class action, 139 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.559 you could be looking at not just millions, but you could be looking at 140 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:56.039 Alex Jones style settlement here or Alex Jones style judgment in the billions. Because 141 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.840 this undermines the democracy that this nation is built on. The republic that the 142 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.679 United States is built on, has to have these kinds of safeguard rails to 143 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.679 stop the First Amendment from being used to cannibalize the First Amendment. No, 144 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:15.799 I agree, And what this reminds me of these are the same people who 145 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.840 you know, they don't want to tax churches, and churches don't have to 146 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.639 open books, churches have we I live down the street from Joel Ostein's church, 147 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.840 Lakewood, literally down the street. I passed by that fucking monstrosity every 148 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:30.360 day. And the guy has billboards in all the If you drive around Houston, 149 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.960 Texas, in the poorest areas, you have Ostein billboards. It's ridiculous. 150 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.240 He's doing a billboard campaign he has logos. It's a fucking business that 151 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.679 takes in money that is not taxed, and it's under the guise of a 152 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.200 nonprofit. They can, they can see elections, they can they can endure. 153 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.080 I mean, it's insane what these people can get away with in plain 154 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:56.120 sight. And but if we mentioned on our shows any type of leaning towards 155 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.919 it, we can all of our ship could be taken from us. It's 156 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.480 insane. All of our see books, they're open, you can look through 157 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:07.080 them. But somehow, the same motherfuckers who push for this religious exemption, 158 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.120 You're gonna see these guys in the same churches doing the same things with the 159 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.759 same causes, with political motivations. It's all the same shit. But they, 160 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.759 like you said, Phoebe in much better way than I could. These 161 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.159 motherfuckers wrote the laws for themselves so that way they can do this shit and 162 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.759 then continue to vote other people in to continue to add more amendments to these 163 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:28.320 fucking laws so that way they can keep bolstering their fucking bullshit while the working 164 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.039 class just suffers. And then the I R S which I mean paying taxes 165 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.480 when we have billionaires not paying it to it to me is just as evil 166 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.360 as it gets. But you got people coming after the fucking working class while 167 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:43.720 these other motherfuckers are raking in the benefits of the working class people trying to 168 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.799 donate to a good to a good fucking cause. It's it's so evil to 169 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:54.000 me. You absolutely, I've ether of you two sent the TV each other 170 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.039 way a little bit. Yes, yes I have. I'm not so. 171 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.679 In one of the final series, one of the candidates for presidents goes and 172 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.879 gives a speech out of black Church, and that is seen as normal. 173 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:07.799 Goes and gives a political campaign speech from the pulpit, and that's seen as 174 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.399 normal. Yes it is, which just unfortunately is mind bending. The fire 175 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.879 on three's and five twenty seven's they're supposed to be completely different in how they 176 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:24.440 are operated, But these scampacts and these churches that you mentioned, Jason, 177 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:31.000 they seem to be operating in identical manners, taking money and endorsing things they 178 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.039 shouldn't be endorsing, or doing things they shouldn't be doing. Infidel, are 179 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:41.480 you doing that? Oh? I like to sleep at night as little as 180 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:46.320 I do, so no, I could live with myself doing this, because 181 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:52.720 what is so insidious about it is they are taking advantage like the same group 182 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:58.200 of people that Joel Austein that Jason mentioned is taking advantage of. They're taking 183 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:03.039 advantage of working class people who want to make the world a better place, 184 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.200 who want to improve things, who are looking for things to be better, 185 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:11.039 and they're taking the people who are least capable of providing money in resources for 186 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:16.159 others, and they're enriching themselves with it and ignoring the people who they're claiming 187 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.159 are going to be the benefits of it. And that's what makes it so 188 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.960 unforgivable. It's not just that they're benefiting from something and they're scamming here and 189 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:31.799 there. It is the very basis and the fundamental principle of the organizations that 190 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:37.399 they exist within to do this. It's not a it's not a bug, 191 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:39.759 as I said earlier, it's a feature. It's one of the things that 192 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:46.600 they want. And really, groups like this are almost indistinguishable from churches. 193 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.960 They they're they're doing the same thing under a different guys, and they're they're 194 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.759 getting away with it and they're going to continue to get away with it unless 195 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.600 somebody cause a stop to it. And that's problem because those in power have 196 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.960 no incentive to do that because I can be sure that some of the money 197 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:11.440 that these people are raising is going into political action committees for people who have 198 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:16.919 no interest at all in cancer patients, are veterans, or firefighters, or 199 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.240 all the other causes that they purport their support. They don't give a shit 200 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.120 about them either. They've shown that so they're more concerned about these groups have 201 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:33.000 called them out. The Firefighters Union has said stop giving money to this pact. 202 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.159 They are nothing to do with supporting firefighters. When you have those groups 203 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:45.559 that are purportedly the beneficiaries of these actions saying stop, these people are frauds. 204 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:50.559 These people do not help us. That should raise serious alarm bells about 205 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:56.360 the regulations that are in place here, because what is going on here it's 206 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:02.240 not regulation. It's not even turn a blind eye. It's opening the doors 207 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:06.279 why as you can, and saying please carry on as you were before, 208 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:08.440 but sign this piece of paper so that it looks like we're actually doing something 209 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.799 to see the problem is is the people who are giving to these groups. 210 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.639 They don't get a phone call from the from the fire department saying, hey, 211 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.879 there's a bunch of scam people calling. They get a phone call from 212 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:26.759 someone who gives them a sob story or tells them something that pulls at their 213 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.840 heartstrings, and they go, oh, that's terrible. Yeah, I can 214 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.159 try to give a little bit to that. And so the problem is is 215 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:38.080 that the ones who are doing the outreach are the ones that are perpetrating the 216 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.240 problem. Because firefighters actually have a real job to do. They can't go 217 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.679 around in forming the public. They got things that they actually need to do. 218 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.159 Whereas these people, all they need to do and all they want to 219 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:55.639 do is capitalize on people who want to help other people. And that's what's 220 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.039 so disgusting. They're capitalizing on the working class. And if you look at 221 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.799 the now, our wages are lowest they've ever been compared to inflation. Our 222 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.519 hours are higher than they've ever been. So by the time I'm working sixty 223 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.400 eight hours a week every week, by the time i'm home, I'm fucking 224 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:12.640 exhausted. My brain is done. How am I going to take in more 225 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:17.599 information and educate myself? Phoebe does this shit for a living. I'm supervising 226 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:21.880 guys burning metal together. I mean, it's it's such a niche thing that 227 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:23.480 when somebody calls and you're tired, and you're like, I want to help 228 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.319 out this working class firefighter. I want to help out these working class i 229 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.039 want help out these cancer patients. I'm gonna do the little bit that I 230 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:33.279 can. The fact that that money isn't going to them, it blows my 231 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.599 mind that this isn't fucking criminal. It blows I mean, you know, 232 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.920 it blows my fucking moment. As far as the morles consider, this is 233 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:45.960 a supermans exactly, but it's it's you're you're literally extorting and using and lying 234 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:51.200 and then lining your pockets and you're taking advantage. Traitorous criminal. There are 235 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:53.680 elements that this could be criminal. Yeah, but by and large this is 236 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.880 a civil matter. You've given money to an organization. You sue that person 237 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.039 to get your money back. That's where the law stands, by and large, 238 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:11.039 unless you can show a fraud or a blackmail or some other criminal problem, 239 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.960 which the lawsuit that is going forwards is trying to show. It is 240 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:22.359 trying to show criminal violations of the California Data Protection Act that could actually get 241 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.519 somewhere in the criminal code. But to try to say that the law will 242 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:33.039 prosecute this as a fraud or prosecue this as a scam. She might as 243 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.640 well to start laughing. And I work in this field for a living. 244 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.799 The law does not do what you would expect him to do in this area, 245 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.319 because the law is written in such a way to be so broad that 246 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:52.799 it allows these loop holes to go unchecked. You could fight American gladiators through 247 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.400 these loopholes and not even touch the sides. And if you don't like that, 248 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.960 tell us what you really think about that in the comments below. Email us