Hello, and welcome to the Geek First Podcast, episode number unknown. But
this is the Dune Part two review. I'm Dylan mustn I'm joined by silent.
Let's try to silence you as you were saying it. Yeah, it
works all back down for Taylor, I want to make sure to edit like
a really intimidating silence into that too. Yeah, I am the pet Taylor
Field. Very good. Yeah. Unfortunately, Travis was feeling ill and he
had to miss his showing of the movie, so he therefore he could not
be with us tonight for the review. But he is going to check it
out in the next week, I'm sure, so I don't know if he'll
talk about Travis told you maybe a newscast. You guys will hear his thoughts
later down the road. But yeah, we're finally here the long road to
uh Dune Part two. And yeah, if you haven't joined us for review
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Uh cool, let's get into it Dune once again. We did a review
for Dune part one, So if anyone's curious on our thoughts on that you
can go back check it out. We got a lot of praise with the
Golden Geeks at the end of the year. We are all a big,
big fan of this. Dune Part two is here, Kirkland, what did
you think this movie? It's it's funny that you mentioned Golden Geeks because as
this as this movie ended, it was rolling credits. I'm just like,
man, the amount of categories I can just fill up with the Golden Geeks
nominations for this movie alone. Yeah, Adam Web two where it's like that
didn't give me much for Michaelden Geeks, very forgettable. Yeah, I don't
think I have any anything in there actually for any category. We don't do
the worst category or the worst movie of the year anymore. So it's true.
It's definitely not gonna be nominated anywhere, I don't think. But yeah,
for Dune, I absolutely love the first part. It's it's kind of
become a but you know, I notoriously gave it a nine point five incorrectly,
should admit I later redacted that score. I absolutely love that movie.
I've watched it probably like three times in twenty twenty three, and then I
think, like every time a trailer came out, I just like would would
throw it on. I just I was getting so hyped for it. Shane
and I recently or yeah, we started watching it last night and then finished
it literally like like an hour before the movie. Like so, I'm just
totally in the Dune mindset right now, very much looking forward to this movie.
It was my most anticipated and I truly think it completely delivered and knocked
it right out of the park. I think there's so much great, Like
I guess I should start off as saying I haven't read the books or anything,
so everything that I'm getting for the lore of Dune it is through these
movies, and I actually think they're doing a really really good job at laying
it out now. As I just mentioned, I did see the first movie
like five times now, so like that really helped me maybe catch on the
things that I'd missed on the first viewing. But I feel like I have
a really good base line as to at least what's going on right now in
the movies, and I'm really able to follow like these new names that are
coming in and just the different factions and stuff. And I love strategy games
and empires and all these like politicking things that go on, and like these
stories are just so fascinating for me because of all those those movie pieces,
I guess, like the different empires involved, the different politics, the religion
that's implemented, Like just how all that works is so engaging to me.
And that's just like the story alone, like that's completely separate from just the
cinematic masterpiece. So I think these movies are like, these are must watch
movies and theaters in my opinion. I think if you if you have the
possibility of going to the theaters for Dune Part two, if you've already seen
part one, I highly highly recommend it. I just feel like it's it's
a must watch it. They do such a good job with the music of
it all just the again, like all all of like the big scale that
Deni brings to these movies is just you feel it. It feels like a
lactic scale. Even though you're just on Aracus, you're on Dune, and
yeah, it's just such a pleasant viewing, even though at times this movie
can be very disturbing, but it's all it's all for a purpose. It's
all to make you feel different emotions. And I was feeling different motions throout
this whole movie. I was fully engaged. I was sweaty, my palms
were sweaty at moments. I don't know, I just felt like I was
rallying behind Polytrates and his forces by the end of it. And yeah,
I'm like, I absolutely love this movie. I really really want to see
it again. And Dylan, you and I were talking offcast about just reading
and stuff. This movie makes me want to like get more into readings that
I can eventually tackle that big Everest mountain that is the Dune series because I'm
just so fascinated in these stories and that's just from what the movies have given
me in I know, it's just like the tip of the iceberg compared to
what you could be diving into on the novels. And yeah, I know,
it's fantastic. The acting is just there's so many big names in these
movies. It just seems like the list keeps going like further and further.
They just they're like it's like a big mass fishy net that just scooping up
all like the best actors going on right now, and they're getting implemented in
these Dune movies. And I'm I'm loving it. I think it's it's better
for it, And yeah, I don't think I really have too much negatives,
Like going into this whole review. There's a couple of things that maybe
I could kind of poke at, but like, I feel like I really
have to dive deep for those negatives because this is just such a such a
great adventure and to have it. You know, we're at the end of
February here, but like still so early on in the year. It's like
this is gonna be a tough, tough one to beat for the best movie
of the year for my list. But yeah, I'll pass along there.
I can't wait to dive into this one with you guys and talk all spoilers
and all the events that happened, because this is this is a monster one.
This is a big movie and a lot of stuff happens in it.
M hm, mister Field. I spent the whole drive home's thinking how I
wanted to approach this, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna touch
on I'm nervous, I'm nervous. I'm gonna touch upon a point here.
From when we reviewed Dune one, someone left a review for us and they
were actually really I think angry. I think it was in regards to our
Dune. It was either on our doing one review or following that, someone
commented about how we were talking about doing speaking to it, but none of
us read the books, and I think we hit a nerve with this person.
And I can totally respect and understand that when you appreciate something you've read
the books, you know the lore, you really care about its representation,
it's adaptation, and how it's portrayed. I E halo. Uh So for
me when I'm looking, when I when I'm trying to understand this world,
I really love the visuals. I love these characters, and like you said,
I love like you said, Kirk, I love rallying behind Paula Trdes.
There's a lot going on that I really love. But then there are
other times, not this isn't a spoiler, but I feel like there's there's
some characters, one in particular, which I won't say his name, but
he does these expressions that look like kind of confusion, and at times I
felt like, man, I'm doing the same thing because I get confused.
And I think it's not a strike against this movie per se. I mean,
maybe it is, I attributed to just being a strike against my knowledge
of this world and trying to clue in and understand all of it because there's
so much going on the way certain scenes are cut, We'll see all of
our characters in one scene, and all of a sudden, it's just Paula
Trates in this situation, and then it's cutting to their characters landing in a
ship or someone like well, I feel like there's just there's some gaps here
between certain certain scenes, which is strange to say, because this is a
long movie, and so I feel bad to critique it. Everyone has been
praising this movie. Everyone has been loving this like true and true. But
then a lot of these people that have been loving it also have read the
books. But then you have people like yourself, Kirkle, and that I
haven't read the books, but this is making you want to read the books.
I'd be lying with U said I didn't want to read the books.
This does create that incentive for me. But just as an on its own,
I feel like it has really really strong parts and other parts which just
get hard for me to engage with. I find it difficult to engage with
certain characters and really latch onto certain characters aside from them having certain moments where
I'm laughing because there's little comedic beats in there, other moments where it's just
like Wow, I'm definitely in awe with this, but then there's other things
in between where I'm just not really connected with them, and so I just
attribute that to maybe it is just my lack of understanding of this world and
my lack of understanding from not reading the books. And so that's why I
tried carefully because I don't want to trigger anyone's nerve that's just super passionate about
this, But I want them to understand that I have not I'm not familiar
with this, but I'm gonna do my best to critique this as a film
on its own and what it did. So there you have. Yeah,
I I mean, those people can fuck off, you know. Like our
podcast, we're gonna talk with the things we want to talk about. And
if we haven't done the homework of reading all these thousand page long books,
they're probably pages so you can come out and be wrong with that too,
But I don't know. You go, sometimes we have a review or all
of us have different levels of experience with a certain thing with this. None
of us have really read the books. If you're looking for a comparison between
the book and the movie, this is not the review for you. I'm
sorry. I'm sure there's only other podcasts out there doing it. But I'm
glad you brought all that up, Tailor. You you worded that really well,
and so I'm just gonna say ditto, because I feel very similar to
you on this, and I think it is a fault of the movie for
things being confusing or not really making sense, or us as the viewer not
having like the emotional investment because the movie hasn't set up or explain certain things.
And to me, like the perfect example of why this movie kind of
dropped the ball in some ways is because the first movie was also very dense,
with all these different factions and characters and bloodlines and all this stuff,
and I still came up with like I feel like a ninety five percent understanding,
and the things that I didn't understand were like, I don't know what
the ben Jessa it is, but they're really interesting and mysterious and cool,
Whereas in this the things that I don't understand are just like, okay,
that didn't really land for me because I don't really understand who this character is
and why I should care about this certain things. So I think I feel
very very similar to you on this Taylor. Now, of course, this
movie is absolutely gorgeous, Like just the scale of it is amazing, some
really great action and set pieces, Like Kirklan said, just bringing in all
these like world class actors. I loved like all the characters in here,
even if there's a few of them that I don't really understand where they fit
into the puzzle. And then therefore it wasn't as emotional when certain things happen
with those characters. And so yeah, I guess I'm feeling similar to like
where you were a Kirklan at the end of the first one. I think
where I love so much this movie, and the first half I was like
glued to the screen, completely immersed. Everything was making sense. There was
a couple of things I was like waiting for resolutions on, but I was
so glued in. But then somewhere along that second half, particularly in maybe
the last like thirty forty five minutes, there were just certain things that weren't
hitting as hard because I feel like they weren't set up as well, or
there are certain things that were pretty anti climactic I felt. And then I
think one thing that really left me bummed when I was leaving the theater is
that when I left doing Part one, and of course by the time we
didn't realize it was really I mean, I know there's like multiple books and
whatnot, but we didn't really realize that it was going to be this part
one part two thing. The movie ended in a very much a cliffhanger,
but it inspired so much like, Man, I can't wait to see what
happens next, and I can envision or think about what those things are going
to be at the end of this movie. The things that they're setting up
for the part three whatever, I don't really have any investment in and I
don't really care, and I don't really know these factions that they're kind of
alluding to. So I'm just felt a bit more wanting. And this movie
still ends in like a big cliffhangary way. I don't think there's a big
spoilery thing to say in a series that has a million books in it,
right, So I think that also is a bit of a bummer for me.
So I don't know I probably came across pretty negative in this and I
still love the movie for the most part, but there's definitely a few things
that make it weaker than the first one for me, and hopefully through our
discussions here on this review, a lot of those holes can be kind of
patched in, and then hopefully just in discussing with our discord and other people
online over the next few weeks, I can really fill in some more of
those gaps and hopefully those things don't become as much issue. But yeah,
I really feel like it's the job of this movie to tell a coherent story
without having to do all the homework of reading these books and sounds like Kirkly
you don't feel that way that me and Taylor do, so hopefully you have
some maybe some answers for us. And I also haven't rewatched the movie in
the first one in a while, but I don't feel like the questions I
have are related to like, oh yeah, what happened to this character in
the first movie. It's more like the new new characters that have been introduced,
and once again, maybe they're like mentioned in the first one by name,
and I'm just forgetting that so we can break down some of that,
but uh, yeah, should be this should be a spicy one because we're
on different sides of it where I feel like doing part one was mostly just
the love best for like three hours. However long that review was, I
think in a non spoil thing, like I'll just show it the music because
I don't really need to mention certain scenes. It's just it's phenomenal. Again,
it's so atmospheric, it adds to that grandiose scale. Certain moments just
once again reverberating in the theater. There was one scene unfortunate that I couldn't
hear dialogue as the music. It was very much like a Christopher Nolan thing,
and I was a little salty about that because I was very curious what
he said in that moment. But for the most part, it's just fucking
stellar, like some of the best music ever. And it's not like something
I'm gonna put on Spotify. It's not gonna be my Spotify rapped at the
end of the year. But it's just so frickin good. So big shouts
to that. Anything else non spoilers that you guys want to mention here,
and I guess I still absolutely recommend this movie, go see in the theater,
because this is this is one you want to see at the theater on
the big screen with those speakers, with the big h you know, the
big screen all that. So definitely go see it still, whether or not.
I mean, I guess if you didn't like doing part one, maybe
you don't need to. But still, everyone else, go see it.
Any other non spoilery things, Nope. I so, okay, how about
we take our first air break and we'll be right back to get into these
spoilers of Doom Part two. Okay, let's get into uh, let's get
into this. I think there's many ways we could start. I mean,
the movie starts with Florence Pew in this character, but I think we should
maybe start by talking about like where this this movie essentially picks up, like
right at the ending of Doom part one with Paul and Lady Jessica and them
kind of just getting integrated into the Frayman and learning their ways and whatnot,
and this whole section I absolutely loved it. I Mean, it's a very
long part of the movie, but I think just like them getting integrated into
the group, meeting more of those characters, like even you know, Channie
is a character that was like barely in the first movie, right, we
just kind of barely met her. But yeah, I love this section and
I think it's just the world building again, Like the world doing in this
world in this series in general is so fantastic, but especially with the Framan
and how they live in these lands is so compelling. So once again,
just seeing more of that was so much fun for me. Yeah, I
like you mentioned that, like, uh, Chhanni Zendea's character, Like I
felt like she was so relevant even though she wasn't in like the first part,
which is kind of funny because she is just littered in Paul's dreams,
right, like he sees her from basically the get go, like really really
early on in the movie, so you know she's coming obviously. We see
her all over promotional material trailers for this movie. Was like them just mack
in and like he kept saying I love you and but like that's it just
seems so far from like where he was at the end of the movie.
And also just at the start of this movie because they really hadn't interacted,
like he knew her name and that's pretty much it. She was still like
really really suspicious of both Lady Jessica and Paul for obvious reasons, because they
are just foreigners, outsiders, and the Freemen are just like such recluse of
people that only trust themselves. And I was so just curious how we were
going to get to that point, and I can safely say I was.
I was so happy with how it went because it didn't. It didn't seem
rushed at all. It didn't seem just like, Okay, we're gonna have
the two big stars just just be together for this reason. And although there
is like time jumps for sure throughout this movie, it's not like massive,
It's not like it goes on for years, but there is weeks or months.
Yeah, oh yeah, for sure, it still felt like really natural
to me. It didn't seem like it was they they were all they all
met together and then like went to the the Fremen Zine I think it was
called, and then they're just like married or something like. It did seem
like they there was an order of events. They had some time to bond
and also chances for Zendea's character to just kind of still be suspicious of Paul,
but then him just winning her and the friend of people just over I
felt like it was really natural and I was I was really satisfied just with
how we kind of got to the point where they were super like strong together.
Obviously, events happened by by the third act that changes that a lot,
but I felt like all of that, just them getting in doctrine with
the frem And way, I thought all that was fantastic. I completely agree
with you. I thought all that was so fun, just seeing the little
details on what goes on in their world because we didn't see like their home
base from the first part, right like of the frim And people, So
that was something that I was just curious what they look like, Like,
what are these people just living in these dirt dirt holes or do they actually
have like metropolises. And it was pretty impressive just with all like the scripture
and stuff, like all the detail that they had in there, and there's
zech there that was that was just or sneak whatever whatever it's called. Seech
right seach. Yeah, No, you're totally right. I'm saying, zinch.
That's a warhammer. Chaos god, a lot of warhammers, said I
saw in this movie that's coming out of me. But yeah, for the
first act, I thought it was I thought it was fantastic. Yeah,
and I think to seeing the more of the faction divides within the frame and
themselves, where you kind of have still Guard and his crew who are like
have been waiting for this messiah, this chosen one to come up and save
them and guide their people, versus like Zendia and her Chany and her her
friends and that side of the squad, and they still live together, and
then there's other factions that you know, live separately, and we eventually go
to the southern hemisphere of the planet and whatnot. But I really like seeing
just that vie and that little bit of friction between these groups as well.
But they still just I mean, at one point, Paul mentions that they
have like two hundred people in part of their crew here that are doing all
this, so like that's still like a pretty small, like tight knit group
of people, and of course there's like a ton of them more in the
Southern hemisphere. But yeah, I really liked seeing that friction kind of building
between these these two factions. Yeah. I like that you said that because
it it totally going into part two. It just seems like the Fremen,
Like that's the faction, you know, like like they are they are just
a team, but like it's so much more complicated than that, and I
feel like that's what just makes it so much more interesting learning more about the
divide between the fundamental fundamentalists. I think they're called like more Southerners that believe
in this this messiah coming to get them, and then like those I would
just say are the more religious type people. And then there's Chawnny and like
her people that are just it seems like they're just kind of more focused on
the threat at hand versus believing in this thing that could possibly never come.
And yeah, it was just interesting how they were able to work together but
like still have these little divides. So yeah, that was unexpected, but
it was a pleasant, pleasant unexpected event. Yeah, I'm going to piggyback
off what you guys have said. I think the whole intro was just wonderful.
I love getting to see a character kind of learn the ways and kind
of get absorbed into this Culture's probably why I love Avatar so much, so
I think they did a really really good job at having him understand and learn
and not like excessively try to impress or be super cocky. But except that
he had his goals, he had his agenda, and his agenda just kind
of was in line with I guess this prophecy. And I wasn't sure if
this prophecy was just kind of shapened by his mother, because I feel like,
no, this prophecy is actually like carved in stone, so I feel
like it's just the it's just it's just meant to happen. Is just this
is where he's supposed to be living to this living up to the status status.
Right. Well, that's something too that like the benjestrit are like highly
involved with that, like that that's a big thing throughout this movie actually is
that like the whole prophecy, it's not a prophecy at the frame and people
had like since they're their roots. It's it's highly just influenced I guess by
the Benagestrate and the Benjester keep mentioning that, you know, like they've been
looking for I'm not even gonna try to say it, but like the Ultimate
Power, it starts with a K. It's it's it's a cool name.
I should have looked it up before this. Maybe I will when you guys
are talking, but like that is their goal. They've been looking for this
for basically like decades, I think maybe even centuries up until this point,
and they keep mentioning how like they're just it's not just all on Paul to
be this messiah, Like there is other prospects that they're looking for to be
this ultimate power. And it's mentioned multiple times in this movie that even in
even in part one. Actually I'm glad that I did watch it before this,
because there is some seeds that are sewed from the Benagestrate's position to just
basically force the friend and people to start believing this. And that's something that
Shawny mentions multiple times that like this isn't even our prophecy, like they say,
this prophecy to keep us like obedient, essentially, like it gives the
people something to think about and believe in that maybe is an ulterior you know,
motivation, and that's very much. It's an interesting dynamic because the prophecy
does still kind of help the frime and people in my opinion, right like
Paul does liberate them by the end of this movie in one way, shape
or form. Even Shawnee and her people like it seems like it really rallies
all of them together. So it's just an interesting thing because it's so it's
so gray area, like it's not just black and white, like the Benicestriate
are obviously evil because they're fucking over the frame, and like that's not it
at all, because it does help them and it also gives them something to
believe in, right in the sense of being just like dictated by the hearken
ins, Like it could be going so horribly wrong for them, but it's,
uh, that's just something that makes the story so interesting and like that's
that's just such a small part of this overall story. So yeah, yeah,
I to me, like the the two storylines that were I guess my
favorite in this were, I mean just one of the Benjester in general.
We'll talk about them a bit later because there's so much interesting stuff going on
with them, but also yeah, just that whole idea of Paul Tritise and
being this kind of messiah or what's the what's the word for it? Again,
I wrote it down, so I'm gonna have to look them up the
Malay dB something like that, right, Yeah, to me, I I
found that so compelling because one thing generally that they feel like I'm kind of
sick of in me these days is like the Chosen One sort of storyline.
But I feel like this takes such a great approach on it. Where with
the Chosen One storyline, you know, the multiple ways you approach it.
One can just be like, okay, character is we'll say arbitrarily, the
chosen One, and so all these things they can just they just magically happen
for them, like everything just works their way. All this fate right leads
into them just like accomplishing all these things. But what I love about the
angle here is that Paul like it could be that, but it also could
not be. And as the viewer, even at the end of this movie,
even after all that happens, I still don't really know if there actually
is some prophecy and it's fate that he's been doing this for, or if
he's just like risen to this because he's gone through and he's checked all those
boxes and whether, yeah, that prophecy's written on the stone in the walls,
but still it doesn't really mean that that's what summoned him to do all
this. It's just that he's going through he's performing all this work, he's
learning their ways, and he's just like accomplishing all these goals that are the
equivalent of what they think this Chosen One is supposed to be doing. And
so it's like this this beautiful kind of gray area that I find really compelling.
Like he obviously at the end of the first one, he challenges that
guy and wins that fight, and then we just got to like keep ratching
up the difficulty of things of him being sent out to survive in the wilderness,
and you know, like he doesn't even do that on his own,
Like Chawny helps him, like saves him in that moment he rides a sandworm,
which is like this whole part of this prophecy, but once again he
like learns how to do that step by step. And then even later on
just like fighting the Hearken in at the end and leading all this stuff.
And I think, you know, he gets a bit of a boost at
the end there because at that point he's found out that he has hearkening blood
in him and he's taking the water of life, and I feel like that's
what kind of kicks him into overdrive and evolves him more. And maybe that
makes him once again seem like maybe that's well, now it's obvious he is
a chosen one. But to me at that point, like he's just taking
this drink and he's realized so much about himself that has changed. But also
like that water is like pretty fucking powerful and changes the guy in another way
too. So once again, at the end of this, I don't really
know how I feel. I don't know if he really is this kind of
chosen one or if he just rose to the occasion. And I think that's
so compelling, and I'm excited to see how that kind of evolves as this
as these movies go along, or I don't know how many more there there
will be from the ny at least, but it happens, I'm curious to
see what happens there. I just want to put out real quick that water
looked so good. Oh yeah, guzzle it down like that bright blue water
sparkling, a lot of electrolytes in there, even if it's coming out of
a nasty fucking wormy. I'll drink some of that. It's like that episode
of a Futurama when they're getting the slurm. It's like you don't want to
know where the slurm comes from. But it's just so damn tasty. So
I found some names, so uh, and I apologize for a mispronunciation,
but disan al Gayib that's like the messiah name that they keep calling them,
right, like the people that truly believe in it. The names that he
gets in this movie is more deep, which is of course the kangaroo mouse,
and then Ussul, which is like I think they say, it's like
the base of the pillar. Yeah, you got it. And then the
Quizats had a rak that's the that's like the super overpowered thing that the the
Benijester had been searching for. So I'm glad I found those because I'm probably
I'll probably be referencing those multiple times throughout this m. Another just smaller like
world building thing I really enjoyed was the framing like sucking the water out of
the enemies that they defeat. Yeah, to reuse it and reusing it in
specific ways, And that was really bothered Lady Jessica. She had to go,
You had to go vomit a little bit after finding it. Yeah,
she's been consuming, but you know, it seems like they use it more
for the breath what do they use it for? Sorry, for the breathing,
not for the drinking. I guess I think it's just to keep you
hydrated, right, like, so you don't just dehydrate while you're in the
desert, like you're not necessarily drinking it. But because even like in the
first part they mentioned like how I think they're called the silt stuits silt whoa,
the silt suits or stilt suits whatever they whatever, that the word they
are for it, like it, like it it reuses your sweat too,
like it like it's just super super sweet suits that they get that are super
helpful obviously mandatory on a planet like Oracus. Yeah, I'm glad you brought
that up because even just again it's a little bit of world building when uh,
what is his name still gar? He was just lightly just mentioned that
their their water is so much chemicals, right that it's just the Hurricans are
just so just doing tons of shit to their body. So I appreciate it's
just such a simple thing. And but it's good enough for their filtration or
their their wet suits. They're h their filters, so mm hmm. Yeah.
And then I also like the like the difference between taking it from their
enemies and like recycling essentially falling allies. How it's like super sacred to them
still guard mentions how like even if even if they're dying of dehydration, like
they wouldn't touch these waters because it is just so sacred. And that's where
it like comes down, like that big religion belief that they have and how
I forget how they say it, but it's something like like like when you
die, like your your life essentially goes back into racks. I think,
yeah, something like that. I just liked all of that, the explanation,
I guess, and like it's just world building for for how the from
and people live and and just work. And it's it's interesting because like they
are a big part of that first part. That's a lot of parts I
just said, but there there's just still so much mystery around these people.
So it was cool to like really just get the first act to like finally
dive into them. I've been waiting years to learn more about these characters.
Was there a proper reveal as to why the or how the hearken? It's
knew where that was because that's such a hidden location, right, And then
we just cut to them just blowing it up scene out of avatarre That's what
it felt like, Kor it's just bombing the world tree. That's what I
was pictured. I was waiting for that. No, Taylor, I'm glad
you brought that up. That was that was a big con for me,
unless there is a solution of that. But I like, that's that's such
an important place. We've set it up so much, and the fact that
it seems like just a random event that they found this place that was like
hidden very intentionally by the freeman, Like, I feel like, especially like
that would be a great thing to attach to Fade Rotha what's his name,
Austin Butler's Butler's character again, to set him up as like a villain of
maybe he was the one who was able to come in and determine based on
some clues or something like that. But it doesn't, it doesn't really get
associated to any one person. It just seems like a random event. But
from what I can understand, like that is their main seats, like their
main headquarters, their home base. Obviously that's where they're Well of Souls is
and all that. So I was I was disappointed that there wasn't really a
reason or a character associated with that decision. It seemed just kind of like
a random event. I honestly thought it was there Atomics that were blowing up
at first. I thought, Okay, someone sabotaging there ware because they set
up that, like there's multiple people talking about ooh, there's a trader or
they're a spy like that first guy, like early on with the Framan and
then when when Gurney, like when he joins the troop, like people are
questioning that too, like is he is he a trader? Is he a
spy? And like that, None of that ever turns in anything. There's
never a reveal for that, So it doesn't seem like that was the case.
So if that's something they save until part three to reveal, I think
that was like a mistake. They should they should have mentioned that here.
In my opinion, I think that there's there's some credibility to thinking that way,
although like they definitely in the back half of the film, they really
focus on Gurney's loyalty to how the trades and too Paula trades, but him
mentioning that he's a smuggler and how he got off world all this stuff,
made a deal and then he's coincidentally like you needed Paula trades genetics to unlock
this vault. I think, Okay, it's gurny, like does he want
this for a smuggling? Like I just didn't trust it. But course that
is changed when we get to the last act. Now, another thing connected
with that scene where we get the place being attacked. I don't know if
I missed it, but I think Shaklei was her name, Chinese friend she
was because she gets torched in there? Why why was she just captured and
thrown in there? Because I thought they all were leaving. Yeah, they
mentioned like the Harricanans mentioned when they're talking to what's his title too? It's
not Baron, It's like naw Baron or something. It's like, oh yeah,
I guess just like new Baron. Yeah, something like that. But
uh awsome Butler's character that the Harrikanans are telling them that, like, yeah,
she stayed behind. And I thought that was kind of strange because she
seemed like a like a pretty not like not not a main character, but
like she was. She was Chownese's like best friend, it seemed, and
she seemed like there was no real reason for her to be like staying behind
it so like she was dying or of sickness or something like. It didn't
really seem like it was ness. So yeah, that's a fair critique for
sure. I was hoping that it was gonna be something more like if like
this would be a moment to just kind of strap some explosive to yourself if
you know you're gonna die, like take out this new baron in that moment.
But she just kind of went out and she took out She took out
nine of them. Yeah, with the Chris knife. So that's pretty cool.
But yeah, that's that's fair. And and what you guys were mentioning
with the the bombing of the siege there, like that's definitely fair. I
was ex waiting for some sort of explanation for that. It seems like although
I absolutely love this movie and like probably wouldn't change anything unless I get like
a four hour accidented edition, I feel like maybe that's where some of those
explanations could come in, Like maybe you just have them looking at their big
map in the in like the war room. It's just like, hey,
that this area seems kind of sus let's go check it out and then maybe
you just see them, like I don't know, tracking some frem and activity
in that area, and then they just go with it like that. That's
an easy explanation there, But maybe it's just too up some screen time.
So it just felt like certain moments like that maybe were cut out. There's
certain moments either at the end of act two or the beginning of Act three
that I felt really just really just hit the fast forward button, Like there's
certain maybe interactions that I was wanting between Shawnny and Paul. When Paul goes
south and just takes the potion, it seems like the relationship just like ends
at it like it's complicated. Obviously it's times of war, but I was
wanting a little bit more interaction between those two. This is nearly a three
hour movie. Of course I want more just because I loved what I was
getting. But it felt like there was certain things that maybe were cut there,
and if it was just a decision to just never show that, I
think that's kind of a con because there definitely is some explanation that could be
used there. But yeah, no, I agree with you guys for the
bombing of that area, I think could have been explained, and a couple
other moments in the third act, I thought, we're really just quickened.
But I agree with you guys on Shawnie's friend there didn't. Maybe my explanation
would be that she just was never truly going along with Paul on that side
of the frim And camp, and so she stayed behind kind of the way,
like Shawnny abandons them at the end and goes off to do her own
thing. But I think the more disappointing thing for me is that not getting
Shawnie's reaction or hearing and like, how would she know that her friend died
specifically, Like she wouldn't really know. But I still think there should have
been some way that they convey that too, for that character to have that
emotional moment where her finds out that her what seems like her best friend has
died. But it's like, I don't know, I don't think we would
in part three have some moment where we come across that character's like burnt corpse
and she's like, oh, my friend has died, and then we get
that there, Like it just seems like something we're never gonna get. So
it seemed a bit odd concerning that that character. You know, I had
a decent amount of screen time. She didn't really have like an arc of
her own or anything. But yeah, she was still in there and seemed
important, And I'm still glad that she was in there, just because I
like that Shawnee wasn't just used as like an accessory to Paul in this movie.
Like She's seemed like her own character who had her own motivations, her
own friendships, and at the end makes her own decision separate from him,
although he's definitely made it hard for her to not make such a decision.
But yeah, I don't agree with you guys on that absolutely. I feel
like that's a good theory that you have there that because she definitely is more
on the opposite side of the fundamentalists motivator vand Wigen. I guess, for
lack of a better term, she always had something in the back of her
head that was like, I don't know about Paul. Yeah, she didn't
really vocalize that necessarily, like in the later scenes that she had, but
it still always felt that way, even if she was cheering for him in
like the sandworm scene and whatnot. I never really felt like they had some
deep bond or something. It seemed like she always had something in the back
of her head that was saying, something's off with this guy. It seems
like it seems like she always had like the most critical thing to say too
when it would come down to like the more fundamental ideas that the Framen had,
Like when Jessica is having the the Water of Life potion, like she's
like laughing at it, like, yeah, she's gonna die by drinking worm
piss, Like that's just like it could probably be an extremely offensive thing.
Obviously Steellguard didn't like hearing that from her, But yeah, so I think
it's just all ammo into what you said that maybe she just she'd never had
any intention of going south. She she doesn't even want to be a part
of that. Yeah, I think she softened up a bit when I forget
exactly what the dialogue sequence was, but it was something and then Paul was
like, yeah, they killed my dad and all my people, and she
was like, oh shit, Like I didn't realize that, it seemed like
and she Yeah, she seemed to like soften up a bit after after that
point. Another thing I loved in that earlier sequence just with Paul and bonding
with the framan is is when they take out that spice harvester and they take
out multiple and we see like kind of more what's the word, like more
montage of like them taking out later devices and spice hards but like that that
first main one we get where at first I thought that Paul, because he
we had just seeing that he was out here surviving in the wilderness on his
own, and I thought that little like spike he had coming out of the
ground was like his tent or something like he was sleeping underground. And it
seems like they were maybe trying to set up that way because you only see
his and that harvester's coming in. But then you then it zooms out and
you see all these different little spikes and they were obviously like waiting for this,
So it's kind of like a weird cut there where we're thinking he's on
this wilderness thing, but then it cuts to like them taking out this harvester.
But that was a really fun action sequence. I really liked the scale
of that. I like the teamwork, and I like that it was like
some good thinking on his part and knowledge of obviously this ship that's like one
of the ships from I guess that he would have used when he was back
in the er Keene right as the name of the capital, so he kind
of knew about this weakness of or I guess just that their shields go down
when they have to shoot as well. So it was a good moment for
him as well to show that he's pretty smart, and he helped to turn
the tide of that battle because that that what are the name of those coppers
again, the dragonfly things? I'm not sure. Yeah, I have no
idea. Whatever they call it, they got thing was destroying their numbers.
So that was a good turn of the tides there. So I really like
that that cannon that it had seemed incredibly overpowered, like it was just it
was like a shot shot guy, Yeah, take it out like six at
a time. All the guns in this movie, like especially the framing ones,
like the little sniper ones, just I love those those laser beams,
Like if they could have stormed the capitol with with those things, like oh
my god. Yeah, I guess you could just argue that the air air
warfare would have just taken them out, but I don't know. Yeah,
they seem pretty strong. Yeah, that that sequence when they're ambushing the spice
harvester and pretty much all the combat sequences. I'm just like man doing spice
worse man that that game is just it's calling to me. I saw,
I got adown it just it just went on sale, which is good timing
for the release of this movie. But yeah, it was on game Pass.
People go check it out if you subscribe to that. Let's see.
I'm trying to think what else we even talked about from this kind of earlier
sequence. I mean, you mentioned Florence Pugh's character, and she she does
pop in a couple of times. She really makes appearance, like near the
end when they when they're all together. But I kind of liked her as
just this like mini narrator as well. Like her voice is obviously the first,
well it's not the first one you hear. You hear the classic like
Soda Car, like before the Warner Brothers comes in. I like how they
have that. I only know that it's the Soudo Car because when I recently
watched it, I had subtitles and it says soda car and then whatever the
word is. But yeah, I liked her narrating it. I like how
it's kind of just an outside perspective on what's going on on Aracus to just
her discussions with her father or the benajest right lady. I just I don't
know. I liked her usage because obviously big fan of Florence Pew, I
was excited to see her in this movie and she's not really like a main
player for a big portion of it. But just just the way that she
was used, I really really liked. It. Wasn't overused, it wasn't
underused. It it felt really good. And also just it seemed like a
good like calendar or like clock at times because she would she would narrate like
year ten and ninety one, So then in my mind, I'm like,
Okay, it's a year since the first movie. And then she says like
the third comment or something like that, and then later on it's like the
eighth comment. I have no idea what that means in reference, but I
know time has passed at least, so I just kind of like, Tew,
those moments reused. Can I ask you a questioning here, because I'm
assuming Taylor, maybe you're in the same boat with me here. I never
really understood where she fell into things, and I feel like by the end
of maybe I've a been to my idea, but her and her father,
like because I always saw the Duke. The Duke was like the highest tier
in the Hearkening. But then they're like above him, are they kind of
like an alliance? Like I don't really understand where they fit into the political
side of things. Family like you and the Emperor? Yeah where Yeah,
So he's like the Emperor of the Imperium, which is like the empire,
and then they have these great houses I think it is what they call them.
They make up the empire, right, yeah, exactly, So the
Emperor is in charge of everyone and then like the baron, Baron Vladimir Harkening,
that's just like a great house. And then he's obviously making big moves
and was backed by the Emperor, which is like a big conspiracy, right,
like it it should never be that way. The reason why they made
that that move from the first film was because House of Treats was starting to
just gain a lot of popularity amongst the great houses and kind of making people
think differently when it comes to like the Imperium and such. So the Emperor
didn't like that and he backed the Hearken insh but he kind of made it
seem like it was mostly just a hearkening invasion, like the fact that he
sent his Saudokar army to Aid, like no one knows that that happened,
Like that's that's that's like a hush hush scenario, and that's why they burned
I think all the bodies and got the Saudakar out of there by the end
of the first film, So it just looked like a hearkening invasion. But
even then, like I felt like the other houses would been like what's going
on here? Like why is the Hearkens just just murdering These these are treades.
They don't treaty, right they said, ye, treaty is like no
more after after that attack, and it's not like there's repercussions, right Like
if I'm if I'm one of the other great houses and that happens, it's
like, hey, Emperor, like what are you gonna do about this?
Like that these people just broke the treaty and you're doing absolutely nothing. Maybe
like maybe it's a book thing. Maybe maybe it's hard to tell that in
a movie. Maybe it's a third movie thing, like I don't really know,
but uh, did I cover your question? I don't even know fully
when I asked there, I guess just where where they aligned. Yeah,
yeah, I mean I guess. Uh No, you definitely answered my question.
So then well this is kind of jumping to the end, but I
mean it's a related question of Paul wanting uh Florence P's character's name is.
I wrote it down, Princess something like that, So princess. He wants
to marry her, so then he would be in that emperor position and have
like power over all the houses. Political move for sure, Yeah, because
they mentioned that at the end or not at the end, sorry, like
halfway through the movie, I think for part one where I think it's Jessica
that proposes it, like just a political move would be to marry into the
family of the ruling emperor. I don't really know how like the politics work
on that, like if it is just a monarchy and no matter what,
like that family is going to be the emperor. But like by the end
of this film, technically Paul duels, you know, like the emperor for
Rain and that's why the nab baron Austin Butler's character is his champion, like
he's fighting for him, similar to how Paul stepped in for what happened at
the end of the first film when Jessica is challenged by that other fremin person.
So that's that was kind of like a move. I guess that was
always a plan, was for him to just take her hand. This was
a lot more direct because the Emperor actually came to a Racus and Paul.
I still thought by the end Paul was just gonna fucking shank him and just
murder him for the death of his family and kind of held back there.
But yeah, a little bit confused on the overall politics, but that that
move, I felt like it was gonna happen. Paul, Tradus, Atreus,
and the I guess the Freeman, like they're now aligned with the Harken
in because the Hearkening still exists. They don't have those three people, but
there's still, right, hundreds of thousands of millions of giddy Prime. Yeah,
I claim right, because he is he's a Hearkening. Yeah, I
could definitely see that becoming a thing in the next film, especially like they
mentioned Holy Wars. I don't know exactly what that means, but they the
other houses are definitely not wanting to align with the trades. It seems okay.
Yeah. See that's the other thing I don't really understand, because if
he's in the emperor seat and those other houses are like under the emperor,
then wouldn't he like control those houses? I think, yeah, I think
technically, But like whenever there's a changing of the guard, I feel like
there's always some pushback, and it seems like the great houses are already sus
on it now. I don't think it's gonna be full on conflict from the
get go. But because technically, the great houses don't even know what happened
to house the Trades, right, Like all they know is what the Emperor
would have told them. And when the dialogue between the Emperor and Paul,
like before he does the duel, is like like, you know, the
great Houses are here, like it seems like they're ready to invade you,
and he's like, well, I think they'd rather hear my side of the
story, because that's just not a known thing because up until he takes his
mask off, nobody even knew that what's his name mud Deep was Paul,
right, Like everybody just assumed Paul was dead. House the Trades was just
completely decimated, except for the who seemed to know the whole time that he
was. Yeah, but like they just seem like they're on their own party,
Like even the Reverend mother I believe, like the one that's with the
Emperor, Like it seems like she obviously knows a lot that she's not telling
the Emperor, which she even told that to Florence P's character, the Princess,
which that was a shock. I didn't realize she was going to be
a benegest rate. I'm curious if the Emperor even really knew that. I
don't know. He kind of seems aloof for the most part. Right,
nice, Okay, that makes a lot more sense to me now, But
I guess that's where I still feel like I don't know how motivate I'm going
into the third one now, where it's like, Okay, we're gonna go
declare war on these other houses, but like I don't know any of them.
We haven't been introduced any characters from those houses either. Yeah, So
it's it's kind of a weird setup in that this feels like almost a complete
resolution to these two parts. And I guess you could just like end it
here, but then they do still have that setup of like let's go fight
some other houses, so well, you could literally just change it, like
when Gurney gets the news that they're like they're not obliging, they could just
switch it to yeah, they're down, like like they accept it, and
then that's the end of the two parts right there. Right. It's funny
because it did feel very resolved by the end of this, like when he
defeats Austin Butler's character and then like the Emperor kisses his ring. It's just
like that seems like that could be the end of the story. And then
it's like, yeah, no, they're there, they don't don't accept your
offer. Okay, well let's keep going with more movies. That's how it
felt for me, because when we were getting close to the end, I'm
just like, how are they going to keep making parts for this? It
seems like this is kind of the end of the story, and like how
do they have all these books on the story? It seems like Dune,
like this planet is kind of resolved, and so we're gonna maybe go to
the Cosmos, But I don't know, I feel like this planet seems to
be. I mean, it's the name of the series. I imagine it's
Goodness still a revolver around this, so I don't know, we'll see what
happens the Emperor and the Princess. I like. I like Florence Pugh's portrayal
here and and just as you said, just the narration that she was bringing
and time stamping too. I really like that. But with the Emperor,
maybe it's just because we didn't see him really in the first film, but
getting him here, I don't know, Like I almost would have liked it
better if we didn't see him in any of these little small scenes until right
then and there we saw him just like landing on on Aracus and just really
getting to see him for the first time there, because I don't know,
I just I feel like there wasn't there wasn't enough of a connection at least
that I was able to make to this character leading up to this intense moment.
I almost would have liked it if there was just maybe nothing and we
just he was just dumped and like we just he's just he is who he
is, He's the Emperor and whatnot. But I feel like everything that we've
seen leading up to it, it felt like he didn't have justified motivations for
why he did what he did. I feel like he was just being questioned
and when there was like the fallout of taking out House of Trades and now
you're dealing with the Fremen, and he's just leaning on his princess, his
daughter, and I feel like he just didn't feel like a very confident and
very certain emperor. He felt very like a weak one. And maybe that's
supposed to be. He did feel like old and frail and yeah, and
maybe maybe he's supposed to be portrayed that way. Maybe that's why he is
terrified off House the Trades or someone uprising against him. But I kind of
take it that he's like really just kind of like a puppet for the Benedicester,
like they are just so in his head, and maybe they're just like
feeding him, you know, purple liquids instead of blue liquid, something that's
like fucking up his mind so that they can morph him and do what they
want from kind of behind the shadows a bit, Like maybe that's what's going
on there. But I agree with you, and I guess Kirkland as someone
who just watched the first movie again like hours ago, Like are they talking
about the Emperor a lot? Because that was something going in Toto this.
I'm like, I felt a little blindsided by where I don't know going too
this like man the hearkenins or this big big headlaun show. But then to
have like, oh, but then there's kind of this what feels like an
arbitrary guy above them, like a bit of a blindside. So maybe maybe
I just haven't watched rewatched the first movie enough when I wasn't prepared for like
the Emperor to be a big part of the Hearkening story here. Yeah,
Like he's obviously not in the first one, but I think his influence has
definitely felt throughout the whole film, because the whole reason why a House of
tradees even goes to Aracus, right is by decree of the Empire of the
Emperor. And like I already said that, like the whole plan for Paul
to marry the princess, to to get in with just that family and get
close to the Emperor. That was said, And then they do mention actually
like through dialogue between Beast Robin and Robin rob On whatever they call him.
Dave Batiz's character and Baron Vlad of just more so of like that emperor influence.
Now, they never seem like they are ones to like obey the Emperor.
They most of the time in close quarters are kind of shit talking him
and like they're always just kind of making their own plans. But like they
do kind of have to hit these check marks to at least in the publics,
I you know, like like obey the emperor because there can be repercussions
on the political scale. Like that's why Baron bows to the Emperor right by
the end of this movie, even though it seems like he would never do
that on his own free will. It's just like a stage thing. But
yeah, like I definitely think that his influence is there. And maybe I
wouldn't have felt that way if I hadn't seen it so recently because it isn't
super relevant. It mostly is just about the Hertkenins and a tradese and like
the Saudikar, right, like that is that is the Emperor's army, and
like I don't think it's mentioned in the first movie, like it's just it's
just his army. But I believe that the family of the Emperor, and
I could be mistaken by this, but I'm pretty sure I am right here,
So I apologize if I get this wrong, but I'm pretty sure how
it works is like the family of that emperor, like that lineage is actually
like originates from Saudakar, like that planet. I don't think it's called Sadakar,
but those people, So it's tied to their similar how the heart have
Giddy Prime I think it's called and just their people, like are the Hearkenins
the Saudi Car people is like the Emperor, but I do know the planet
that they showed off in the first film. That's like where the Saudi Car
people originated from. But it's just such a harsh planet that the Emperor doesn't
actually live there. Like the political side is it's almost like a coroiscant type
thing if you think of Star Wars, which is like the metropolitan planet where
people do business. Yeah makes sense. Oh yeah, I swear. I'm
not trying to just overly critique this, but just these things keep popping up
cohesively when we're talking about certain things, like the Emperor here for example,
I love I guess this is more of like a positive I love the strategy.
I love the tactics. I love seeing the armies and everything like that.
With this world, it's so visually appealing and really pulls me in.
I feel like I'm playing an RTS game and I love it. But I
I mean, I am no military leader. I'm not an emperor of multiple
space houses. But it seems like a bold decision to just put your all
year ground Armada just boots on the ground, literally boots on the ground,
just standing out there like that. That was that was bold. And now
I know they didn't know that there were atomics, but that's bold. I
think it's I think it's definitely bold and not a good strategy. It's it
really comes up for me just like a power move, like look at look
at my radiance. You know that is the empire, Like he has this
glowing orb that's just this like ball of beauty right Like it's like a chandelier
just floating in the sky. Which the fact that they actively burning spice to
like keep keep power, keep its own powered. Which yeah, they like
literally had like a full temple that they like I don't know how they deployed
that like below the ship, but it's just like some people bring their entourage
with like a tent or something like a like a palaquint like chilling in StarCraft.
Yeah, how their ships can fly. That's very much how it felt,
which like from a bird's eye view, it looked really intimidating. But
like the Emperor ignored his Saudi car general being like, there's a massive storm
in here, we should probably go to atmosphere and he's like, that's fine,
We'll just we'll take it. We'll take it. Like do they not
know about worms? Like Paul Trdes before he came to Oracus was just watching
these like vlogs on like what is all about Oracus? Like does no one
on the Emperor's flem what do they call just roster? I guess, like
does nobody have these videos just knowing that there's worms out there? But yeah,
it's agreed. Taylor is a little bit bold. It's one of those
things though, where it just makes me wonder, like, man, how
much of this is like the benjestert or these other factions just like so deep
in it that they planted this whole things that they would get fucked up and
that Paul would join in and they have control over Paul because of Lady Jessica
like all these other things, which maybe these are just hair brain schemes at
some point, but that was something that was a bit disappointing for me in
the final Battle of this movie, because when it first was getting set up,
I was like, Oh, my god, are we gonna get like
Battle of Helms Deep here? Like are we getting this, like finally another
battle on that scale, because just all the set up to looking at the
map, he's pointing all these things, and it's like, oh, on
the third day, like look to the mountains, there was gonna be up
there, all this stuff, like the sand worms coming in, shooting the
missiles like specifically into the rocks because I'm sure they had like barriers or something,
and then the rocks are gonna fuck them up, and then they're coming
out of the sand. All that stuff was so cool, But then I
was like, man, the Harkens like didn't have any plan, they didn't
fight back at all, and then the soda pop whatever you're saying over here.
These guys like didn't have any plan, they didn't really fight back,
and so it just felt like too much of a single phase like one sided
battle. Yeah, what is set up is like this the you know,
biggest empire in the whole whatever settled systems or whatever they call this stuff,
so I don't know the terms, but it was it was a bit disappointing.
I love that setup, Like the first five minutes of it was great,
and then it just felt a little anti climactic. And then for me
too with Vlad Baron Vlad how he you know, I was I was building
up this moment too and like a trade and Paul getting his revenge, and
he did that, but it just felt like kind of lame that they kind
of just like backstabbed him. They took him out of his little copter thing
and he was just on the steps there, and it just I don't know.
I guess in my head maybe I was building up too much of what
this battle could have been like. But I think between that and the actual
battle not really having any fight back, it just felt it felt a bit
too easy for me. Unfortunately, it felt exactly the opposite of how the
Hearken and taking out the Freeman home base before, where it was just this
random thing. It wasn't really a battle. It was just a one sided
barrage, and so I felt like it was I don't know, the better
fights in this were like the one on one battles between people. I felt
like the army level fights didn't really achieve that same level of grandiose That's fair
I personally, for me, it did work because of just all of the
different factors that were helping, like the Fremen and Paul's forces, Like,
not only do they have these fucking giant sandworms, but they have this mother
of all storms coming. You have the Emperor and his people and the hearkenins
just in like the worst possible strategic location, Like they're just surrounded by everyone,
which is yeah, like there's no way that they're able to get out
of this mess. Yeah, they're completely surrounded. As we already said,
what else do we have in there? The atomics, like it just every
like it just seemed like no outcome would have been good for the emperor and
for me it worked in that sense because you have just juiced up Paul that's
on this way the water of life that he's just like he sees this path
that like there's no possible way that they could lose if it all goes well,
And it did all go well, right, Like even when the Emperor
was landing, I think it's still guard or someone says like, oh,
exactly as he saw, because like the mother of all storms is coming this
way. So it was just it just seemed like there was no outcome,
you know, when Thanos was taken over, there was the one chance,
Like it didn't seem like there was one chance for the Emperor and his lads
there and for me, it just it just worked that way. I think
ever since the super epic rally of the troops moment when Paul just walks into
like the super sacred place of the frem and we can get into, you
know, more specifics of that scene after, but ever since that moment,
I was just like, holy fuck, like this is the Messiah I believe,
Like when they when they're all cheering him, I feel like just standing
up in the theater and just like, yeah, I want to follow Paul
to the to the ends of the earth. I was just so hyped so
the fact that it was just such a dominant victory. I was just eating
it up. I was eating it up in all those moments. But I
do completely agree with you. I think the most the most on edge I
felt in any combat sequence would have been like the one on one battles because
they they do a really good job with the hand in hand combat in all
these movies. It's it's quite impressive. Yeah, it's fun. M How
about we take our next break, take a little leb brick, We'll get
a little breather here, and we'll come back for some more Dune Part two.
Okay, we are back. Where do we want to go next?
I well, I guess maybe I'll finish off a couple of thoughts I had
on the Emperor and the Princess here. One of the Emperor, Like,
I mean, I love Christopher Walking. I don't think he really got to
do a whole lot in this movie in terms of like acting or a specific
scene, even though was given him to just act as ass Off. So
not a character that I was particularly attached to. But I am now with
more information from you guys, like excited to see what happens with that character
going forward and into part three and then for the for the Princess, I
mean, you know Florence Pugh, she's just amazing, so I really like
her in this. I liked her role kind of as a pseudo narrator.
As you said, there and that was a good way to break up,
just help the pacing as well, just giving you some different things setting it
up there. And man, I got to say her in that like medieval
sort of armor thing, she was so freaking cute in that, Like her
eyes just popped so hard. Like I thought that was a great outfit.
I mean, in general, like the costume design in these movies, in
the first one this one are just outstanding. But yeah, I particularly liked
her kind of medieval armor there with like the weird little I don't know chimes
that were like hanging out front two over her forehead. I just thought it
was it was so cute. So I really liked really like that, and
once again kind of a character that I'm excited to see going forward. Even
though I don't think she had some some fun scenes here. I liked her
little journal scenes and just all the world building tech of that and that little
like spoken journal that she had that recorded her thoughts I thought was pretty interesting.
So yeah, any other thoughts on those characters or could we move to
another section? Yeah, I agree with the Emperor. I was. I
was kind of let down with it. I felt like Christopher Walkin just has
such a. I don't know, he's like he's he's a certain actor that
I just feel like I see Christopher Walking in and I was kind of not,
I don't want to say not looking forward to it, but I was
curious how it was gonna go. And it kind of went the way that
I was expecting, Like I just kind of saw Christopher walking. I felt
like the best moments were when it didn't seem like Christopher walking. I was
waiting for like his like his like classic lines or a certain way that he
maybe he would say a line that I've just seen in like every movie that
he's done, it seems, and I thought it might be kind of comedic
in that sense. I know he has dramatic roles, but it just seems
like lately I've mostly seen him in comedies. So I just kind of saw
that in The Emperor, and I almost just would have wished I got like
a less a less known actor maybe for that role. But I don't want
to put too much negativity on that because, like you said, like it's
not like he does too much in this really, it's not like there's a
lot of powerful monologues scenes that he's really able to like have gravitas kind of
like how Baron Vlad has in the first movie, like when he likes but
he's not just like another version of Black. Yeah, we don't want like
another guy like that, especially when the heart, you know, want you
want the Emperor to be a bit more charismatic, not that he is terribly
charismatic, he's not like actively horrifying, like like like the Baron. Yeah,
no, one hundred percent. So a little bit let down there,
but it doesn't really take away from the story too much for me. But
with Florence, yeah, I thought she was. I thought she was ten
out of ten for how she was used. I can't wait to just see
her moving forward interacting with Paul and just knowing that she is a ben adjesturate
member, Like how is she going to try and you know, pull Paul's
strings of kind of like how we've seen the other Reverend mother kind of pull
the strings of the Emperor and just have her own influence, because it seems
although she is a ben adguesturate, it seems like maybe she's a new member
or like she's not necessarily a new member, but like she doesn't have have
the same like clear motivations that maybe like the other reverend mother has or Jessica
seems like she always kind of has a plan of her own. Leah Sadu's
character too, like just a certain way that they carry themselves. She seems
a lot more inn yet either. No, yeah, but maybe she does,
but she's just holding it back, Like I, we just haven't seen
it really interact in that sense. So very excited looking forward with her.
But yeah, I thought she one hundred percent delivered. Mm hmm, I
guess going back then, So we eventually with the frame and we move south
to go rally the troops down there. I really liked the visual difference between
the south of Iracus, because they keep setting it up, but it's like
inhabitable. It's so different down there, all these huge storms and whatnot.
And I think they did a good job of like how do you really make
this planet that's just sand make it look visually distinct? And I think they
did a really good job of making the sand just taking away the spice,
taking away that that life that reads through the air, and just make it
more more barren and more rocky. I thought you did a really good job
of that. I liked seeing that, And yeah, I think that that
sequence h some of those scenes we get down there were we're pretty good.
Where after well, I guess during that scene when Paul he drinks the drink,
the liquid passes out and then Shawnee comes in. First of all,
I gotta say, Kirkland, fuck you fucking Travis for this goddamn meme with
this fricking sound effect, because this is like a very emotional scene in this
when Shawnie's having this huge reaction and then we just get the fucking singing.
I had to do it. I had to do it. I had to
crack up laughing in the theater. And it's like, man, I don't
even like this meme, but I'm just so ingrained in my head at this
point, so that that took me out of it. So, uh,
you know, you guys, you guys win in this this regard. Did
that so lately take you out of that scene to it that it is a
meme and we've just possibly over used it maybe a little bit too much.
But for me, I feel like every time I hear that, I just
get so pumped up. Now I will say I was smiling in that scene
because of that song coming in, but like it's usually used in like super
serious moments, which I guess this is, but I just get really hyped
for it. It's it's not so much like it takes me out of it
in a comedic sense. Maybe there's a little bit of that like ingredient involved
in it, but it's mostly just like, because it's used in these intense
moments, it just gets me giddy and like, holy fuck, we're going
places. When it happens in the gum jabbar scene in the first film.
I think it happens twice maybe thrice in this film and in that one that
you just laid out, and I think maybe when the real rally in the
troops or something else, like I do I do remember that chick there,
Yeah, lifts it up. Yeah. Fuck, it just gets me like
if I'm going to war, I need that chance to just really get me
going. That's your ride now music, Yeah exactly, Yeah, but yeah,
no, I mean just the repercussions of that scene. I think,
as I mentioned earlier, like at that moment Paul, I mean when he
has that water of life going through them, but then also because of that
he learns of this hearkening blood in him, and I think that that just
like elevates and turns him up to a new level. And then I think
kind of nearly after that scene is when we get the moment when he goes
in the middle of that kind of prayer giant prayer circle, and he's just
the way he like she finally like yells for the first time. He's like
really yelling at these people. He picks on this one guy in the audience
and just like reads his mind or his past or whatever the hell's going on
there. It was really effective and I really liked that he just took control
of that room. And then once again Shawnie's reactions to all these things,
seeing that she's kind of had these visions too, like I don't want things
to go this way. You promise you you you talked about how you're gonna
do this. Going from this like humble guy who really loved their culture and
like the more down to earth part of it kind of just turning more into
this warlord of sorts, and even though he hasn't done anything evil yet,
he's still like you can see the hearkening blood like flowing marks at that point
is really really cool, really good scene. Yeah, and like it's not
even like that's what he wanted, right, Like initially he was saying,
everybody goes south but me, because like I can't go south. As if
I go south, this is what's gonna happen. And that's exactly what happened.
I love that it went that way because it seemed like some terror,
some evil was gonna happen. Millions of people are gonna die, which is
kind of what happened, right, Like they murder a lot of a lot
of Fremen people died in that battle, a lot less than what the the
like the Saudakar or the Hearkenings did, but that is a direct result to
that. And this is also just the start, right like like the Holy
Wars that they mentioned, like how many people are gonna get murdered in those
in those battles to come. So I liked just throughout the series. Actually,
I'm really really liking how these visions are playing, whether they happen or
or not. It seems like now that he's had the Blue Goo that they're
a lot more accurate and he just sees so much clearer. He he even
mentioned that when he's talking to Jessica in those moments, but Yeah, that
that specific scene when he marches in and he's like yelling and they're like you
can't talk in here, like you have to you have to kill this guy,
and he's like fuck off, Like he's just yelling at them, like
no one here can challenge me. They all like stand up, and then
he's just like telling their futures and just like like you said, like really
aggressively like yelling at them. He's not he's not like belittling them, but
like he almost is, because it's like just shut the fuck up and listening
to me, like I'm not gonna kill one of our best guys, Like
it's not even a point, Like I am the main guy. I am
the one like listen to me here and man, like I I had just
goosebumps, and that entire sequence. I was so pumped up the way that
Gerty was just kind of like going along with everything. He's always supporting to
him. I mean still Guard too, still Ward's like take kill me.
Still Gard was actually a lot more comedic, and I was expecting him to
be in this film because like every every little thing whenever he's reacting to like
these prophecy things happening, everything that happened. He's like, he's the one.
It's it's the rain happened because this guy was just walking on earth,
you know, like that sort of thing. Let good, yeah for sure,
but yeah, that that whole sequence when he was telling the one Chaps
just the way that his mom died or something like that, or when he
actually, you know, like mentions that Oracus used to have a friend and
name Dune. He dropped the name Dune there. That was really good,
and just the overall aesthetic of that, like room was just so beautiful,
the way that everyone was just fully engaged with with Paul, and kind of
the way that the the air in the room shifted because of his demeanor,
because of what he was saying. That when when it gets the point that
he is just dropping these truths and people just like are on edge, they're
aggressive, and then all of a sudden they're like bowing to him. And
the only one that's kind of not that way is Chawny because she's just she's
just so in the other direction and also just seeing the man that she loves
go this down this road that she didn't want him to be. And also
kind of what he was mentioning would happen if he came here, And I
was mentioning how like just the whole interaction between them, I was wanting maybe
a little bit more there. But I mean the more I kind of stew
on it, the more I'm kinda I guess okay with it, because it
just seems like he is a different person as soon as he has the blue
potion. Like they don't even really have moments to talk, and when they
do, I do like those little moments because it's it seems like that old
Paul still is in there, but it's like he's a different person now,
like he has a different title now, like like he doesn't really have time
for where he was in the earlier portions of this movie. But it's a
long winded way of just saying that scene blew me away. That was my,
by far, my favorite scene of the whole movie, and I was
I was so hyped. I was so hyped in those moments. I like
that again he's telling their futures or pasts, all that kind of stuff.
The one thing that I really really appreciated was him calling out everyone that pulled
these knives on him. Is like, you know, I'm you don't want
to take that chance and kill me, because what if I am that one
You've been waiting your whole lives, like for praying every day, and it's
just thinking, man, yeah, he's the one your mother said would come.
It's just like, oh God, you basically got them dead to rights
with with this. So mm hmm. And then another character that we've we've
mentioned a couple of times I haven't really dove deep into, is Lady Jessica
Rebecca Ferguson. To me, is such a standout in this movie. She
just has such a presence to her. I think part of it is just
you know, the makeup does the makeup artist and like the costume design of
it, where like the way she just looks so like almost hollow at the
start of the movie. I think she looks so cool there and then just
kind of evolving eventually getting like the tattoos or the painting whatever it is on
her face, and then by the end of the movie with like that kind
of maroon sort of hood and like all the goal chimes coming down, Like
she just looks so cool, and just her acting, just the stone cold
presence. She's fucking terrifying in this movie. When she does like that voice
thing too, and then even just like talking to her unborn child is like
this really really creepy thing, having these conversations. She just has such a
strong presence in this movie, and I love that she had such an important
role. But they also did a really good job, I feel like,
of still making her feel like she was working in the shadows even though she
really did get a lot of screen time. She's talking a lot about her
plans, she's doing these things, but she never really is taking center stage.
And I thought it was just such a well done character. And she
was really interesting compelling in the first one too, And I think she's had
a really cool evolution here. I like that she's still gets like a ton
of screen time. It's definitely worth it for every time she's on screen is
fantastic. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think she was really really
fantastic, And I like the progression of her character and her just really taking
into the role of being this reverend mother here for for the Freeman, and
I I was just kind of like thinking, like that is she is she
kind of like possessed by the previous reverend mothers. The times it felt like
or is she still like coherently herself. It just seemed kind of I think
it's a bit of both, because because she does mention that she like hears
her. I think it's like right after she she gets the blue Goo,
because they even mentioned I forget the title that they give her. It's it's
something that starts with an ass, but it basically means like the priestess of
the people, and how it's it's like a reoccurring thing like like once Jessica
would die, you know, figure figuratively, like there'd be another reverend Mother
there to like pass pass on, And it seems like the embodiment of the
all the previous reveren mothers are like in her body. So I think it's
definitely there, But I feel like I took it. I mean that scene
when she's talking about She's like, here's her. I thought she was talking
about her daughter. I didn't think she was thinking of talking about the other
Benagesta. Yeah. To me, like seemed like she really tried to go
like really separate from the faction. Obviously, she's like mind talking with the
reverend mother in the final scene, but that's when they're actually in the same
room. Yeah, So I don't know, I took that a different way
that'd I'm curious on to rewatch how I'll feel about that. The reason why
I think it was talking about like the previous Reverend mother the Fremen one was
because she was already communicating with the child like before the blue Goose stuff,
Like she kept mentioning even in I think the previous film when Paul was asking
like how she was, It's like, yeah, no, she's doing okay,
or like she always knows. It's probably a benigestrit thing, but yeah,
and I'm curious if maybe she's a lot more her herself with some influence
from the previous frem and Reverend mothers, because she is like a powerful bandagestate
member and really interesting in the fact when they do that possession type thing and
with the blue goo and every and like it's just a shock that everybody funds
out that, like she's pregnant, and like what does that mean for for
this whole system? Does that mean that Anya Taylor Joy when she gets born,
Like is she like a Reverend mother technically because she has the blue goo
as someone in the womb? Like very interesting, just prospects that could come
out of that, but that whole sequence, the baby's talking to her too,
so yeah, she's talking about really a pretty powerful baby. I thought
that was Yeah, I thought that was really really cool and any concept.
But I feel like it just kind of disappeared pretty quick because well, yes,
throughout the film the baby's talking to Lady Jessica and whatnot. But after
the old reverend mother and all of her physicians I'll call them, we're all
around her and they're like, oh, she's pregnant, what have we done?
And then she just dies and then that's it. I thought there would
be much more of like a freeman like freak out the fact that they just
needs but that's that's the end of it. No one else is questioning that
she's pregnant, and it's just you gone from that. But that's I don't
know, I feel like it was just over a good point. That is
a good point. I feel like maybe it's because it's never been that way
that they've done that with a pregnant lady before, so they don't know exactly
what's going to happen, or possibly they just think that the baby's dead for
sure. Maybe they're really concerned about that. I'm not. I'm not too
sure, but that is a fair critique because they they do make a big
emphasis of it, and then it's never brought up again about that, maybe
just because she recovers really well and everyone's like okay, we like it's okay,
because maybe if they try to give it to her and then the old
Reverend Mother dies, like maybe that's a really big issue if if Jessica dies,
like right then and there, like who's going to be the Reverend mother
and how are they going to pass on that torch that I was kind of
mentioning if that is how it works, curious there, But they don't really
get a chance to fully dive into that. But yeah, just for Jessica
in general, for this movie, it's interesting because it seems like it seems
like to me that she has maybe more screen time in the first film compared
to this, but it seems like it's more more important scene. Like it's
like even if it is that way, maybe it's like fifty one forty nine
percent, Like it does seem like she has a big influence in that first
film, just prepping Paul for and like training Paul for all these I think
it's called the voice is what they use. I think it's Skyrim whenever I
say that, But uh, just just like that power. But she seems
like she's making such bigger dislike moments in this film because she is this more
powerful person, right, like she is the Reverend Mother of the frem And
people. And it's so interesting just kind of her her early stages of becoming
the Reverend Mother, because like you guys were already mentioned, like when she's
talking to the Womb just just like pacing like through like the Fremen seech,
Like it's almost like a horror movie where she's like possessed and talking to a
ghost and it's just freaky. And she's talking to to Anya. I'm just
gonna keep calling her Anya like in the Womb and just saying like, yeah,
we'll start with the weakest ones to like turn them over, and it's
just it's so creepy in that sense. And when she's like looking at like
the the terrified, like there's a couple of kids in there and like a
couple of women that are just like staring at her in fear. But like
she she doesn't seem like she's making clear evil moves like against the fremin people,
so like the only way that I the only reason I feel that way
is just because of how it's going and because she is a Ben Just remember
that they're always kind of making moves in behind the scenes and what you were
kind of bringing up. I think on the previous review for doing part one
deal is just how interesting the Ben and Jestrid it is. And I think
it comes down to that secrecy and how you just don't know what their motivation
is. Like even if this is all going well, it still seems like
something is unrevealed, but behind the curtains for them, so very interesting,
just faction as a whole. The last thing I was gonna mention was in
that final scene when she's doing that telepathic communication with with the pre like the
Benicestra at Reverend Mother, I believe they have the same title, is uh.
It's so interest because it seems like Jessica deviates right from like the benagestraate
way, Like she even says that like you probably regret choosing your side,
and then she counters with like you, you of all people should know that
the Benagestrat don't choose sizes or sides. Like it's all kind of foreseen this
way, like this is all moves that all the benagest are kind of pushing
for, just trying to get to that. Oh my gosh, what was
I gotta pull in my note? The quiz AT's had a rack, you
know, the ultimate power. And I love that the previous reverend mother calls
her the reverend mother. I know she is for the friend and people,
but it almost seems like Jessica got the old lady's job, like she now
is like a more powerful position because of where she's situated in just being with
Paul right, like like Paul is now technically like he's gonna be it seems
like the emperor or someone just betrothed to the Empress. So just just so
interesting with how things end in this movie, just for the politicking, I
think, and although we don't get a lot of resolutions of it, I
think it's just so fascinating moving forward on what could happen with some of the
political side of things here and the benicester At you have it was the name
LEAs Sadou. That actress. Remember what her character's name was. I think
it was Lady Margot Fenring. Okay, Yeah, so she obviously is working
with them, and she came in and she did the little box test with
the gonjabbar with go with Austin Butler. And now this ended very differently because
she they banged. Yeah, and that's not what Mother's Superior did with Paula
Trees in the first movie. Uh so well, they they mentioned they mentioned
why that was right, like, well, they wanted to get the the
DNA right to secure another female. True, but I it's also I guess
that probably was a big motivation. But it seemed like through the dialogue was
just because this fucked up Austin Butler's psychotic character which murdered his last mom,
Like it's potential that he would have tried to do that to this person that
is a more motherly figure. He's a lot more motivated, possibly by by
sexual desires. And obviously they ended up boning, and it seemed like he
was kind of seduced into the overall like meeting of it, right, like,
yeah, they seduced. But I I like how it went with Paul
though, because Paul seems like he has a very close relationship with Jessica.
So then having like the other river Mother performed the comju bar for him,
it's it's not only just because of her position, but also just because it's
a similar motherly type relate. I know she's not as nice as maybe Jessica
is to Paul, but I just thought of the two comparisons and how it
seems like they choose a certain Benijester member to do these tests depending on who
the test e would be. But maybe I'm reading into that a little bit
too much. No, I think that that doesn't make a lot of sense.
They're talking about that, those motivations, but yeah, man, just
the Benicesterate and just fucking plantting these seeds everywhere of like working so hard to
get Paul to uh, I guess Mary the Princess, you know that you
could see that from like multiple perspectives, where like the mother Reverend wants that.
But then also like even if I'm still a little confused on what exactly
is going on between Lay Jessica and that mother Reverend, like they both were
still working towards that same goal. So once again, that's like some four
told thing that they need to make happen. They're both working towards that still.
And then obviously the princess is also a Benjester, so she's working towards
this goal. Well, so they're setting up that, but then like they're
kind of building up this backup plan by putting the baby of Fade Fade Ratha
in in leys and news characters. That's like another backup plan there. So
I just love that idea that they're just like making up all these plans and
like no one accept them know about that backup plan, for example, and
no one knows that it was the ben Jester that were really working hard to
like make that relationship even happen in the first place. So yeah, I
just think the way they we're working in the Shadows is so freaking interesting.
And that's where when you add in like Florence p one of the mix and
then LEAs said, do have this other character who was like not really attached
to many of the major plots. This seems more like set up for a
Part three sort of thing. She still like has such a commanding presence,
and I thought she was just such a fun character. In that hallway scene
that she had what Austin Butler I thought was really fun. And then even
just at that battle too, when she has like her funny, little like
magnifying last thing, I thought she was really great and that's as well.
So, yeah, there's such a fun faction. I think that's like some
of the most compelling stuff for me. They've they've planted the seeds here already
for I mean, we could skip ahead six movies, seven movies with time
jumps. We got LEAs Todo carrying the next hearkening air, I guess you
could say, and then we have Rebecca Ferguson carrying the next like a trade's
air. Like it's just it's you could have these characters take off. That's
also harkening blood in there too, also harkening blood. Yeah, so these
characters that are all just kind of like stepping up and I mean not even
born yet, but it's just the seeds planted, right. The Benijeesta are
planning their Dune sequels already. Good stuff. Fade Rotha, We've talked about
him a bit here, Austin Butler. I thought he was a really fun
villain in this. You know, he's not a very multi dimensional character,
but he's just a really menacing force in the way that the Baron was in
the first movie. The Baron still has a couple of those here, Like
we have this one scene where he clearly kills like these two girls just randomly
in his room, and he's obviously anyone around him is fucking scared, super
super scared. But I thought he was a good new villain in the mix
here, did you guys? I just couldn't unsee him looking exactly like the
I Am Legend zombies like the whole movie. Do you guys agree with that?
No, I was thinking more Prometheus and the texts. Yeah, okay,
yeah, that's a fair comparison as well. But yeah, we saw
that black and white scene like that was a in the trailer, like briefly,
but seeing the rest of that, I thought that was a really really
fun sequence. Just visually looked amazing, but also like the idea there of
just the way the baron was like kind of fucking with him, making that
a harder battle, but then he kind of twists it into being like a
gift for him that he looked like a hero at the end of the day.
And that was a those a really really fun sequence. So we've kind
of talked about like the repercussions of it all, but yeah, just visually
fucking visual feast for sure. And he also just seems like he enjoys like
more of a challenge, right, like when they're just drugged, it's just
such a okay, I gotta do this. Whereas like he turned off his
barrier there, like he he was really slowly killing that that that I guess
he was from. So yeah, Trady's soldier, that's right. But no,
every everything about that sequence I thought was just so stellar, like like
a scene that I'm excited to rewatch for all the different details. Just like
Giddy Prime in general is just such a It's a dark, twisted world,
it seems, and like yeah, like the black Sun just like making everything
look black and white is just so interesting to me. And uh yeah,
just getting to peer a little bit more into the society of of the Hearken
and people was cool, just to get a glimpse hat very much reminded me
of the Dreoki from of course, Warhammer Total War, just like the dark
Elves, who are just these sidistic, like fucked up people that just all
they're all about war and just murder and similar to what what awesome Butler's character
seemed like. And I love like the I guess they're like parameter guards.
They have like horns and like a black face and these like whip things that
were just closing in to like basically make the play area smaller. One gets
a little bit excited and smacks the guy in the back with what seems to
be like a dart or something. It was weird. Austin Butler put an
end of that real quick, because man, like you just talked back to
them once and they'll slice your Yeah, yeah, they don't around in that
way. I feel like you just have to note to never say no to
them, Like you just do everything that they say at all time. Others
you are getting your your throat slit. But yeah, that that whole sequence
was so even like the fireworks that were going off, it just seemed like
like water in or like like food coloring in water. It looked like in
the air. It was just so different than what you would expect. And
everything about Gay Prime was kind of like that. It's it's kind of fun
that it's black and white because it just seems like a negative type type world.
But yeah, yeah, and then fade wrought the two like I really
enjoyed the battle that him and Paul have at the end of this, and
you know, a big once again highlight here to Chawani and Zendaya just watching
this battle go on and her reactions to it. Particularly, there's like one
moment when her eye is just like I saw that. Yeah, it's like
what an actress, you know? Ye, like this super subtle thing.
You can't teach that. That is insane. That was that was that was
great. That was Actually when he takes Florence's hand to be betrothed, she's
just so again like what you said, like she's she's not saying anything,
she's not like reacting to like someone dying. It's like such a subtle act,
but like it goes so far. I mean obviously you and I both
noticed it, and it just it really makes it feel so authentic that this
person that you you truly fell in love with, like you just bonded with
for the last however many months it's been. You already see them kind of
slipping down a path before the battle happens, right like he comes up towards
like no matter what happens, like I'll always love you as long as I'm
breathing. And then this happens, and she's just already feeling so betrayed and
she just fucks off and takes a worm to somewhere seven to eleven somewhere,
but yeah, you're the final shot of the movie. Yeah, black on
on her going off on her own there. So I mean, I have
no idea where how she's gonna fall into the rest of this the rest of
this story, but I'm curious to see what her solo venture is gonna look
like me too. Yeah, very fascinating character and just how she kind of
because yeah, she's obviously pain in pain just over the whole situation and where
is she going? Who who is she gonna side with? Is she's just
going it's gonna say free low solo. My gosh's getting late. But just
that whole actual like glad like the Gladiator duel. I guess at the end,
is it like my palms are sweaty that whole sequence. I know it's
like Paul's story, but I honestly thought that he wasn't safe in that moment.
I'm and like, maybe like there's some crazy thing that like Anya Taylor
Joys, like the new Messiah type thing, because she's obviously, you know,
like related, and it seems prophetic because she's in Lady Jessica's womb,
right, now, Like I just had no idea how it was going to
end. I thought maybe they were both gonna die. They just did such
a great job at having stakes in that situation. The fact that the whole
combat, there's so many people in this room just watching complete silence, like
nobody is saying anything, like you really feel just the tension of like the
whole empire can just be shifted in this one battle right now. And the
fact that Paul just like he's been running and like fighting people this whole day
and he's just still gonna one on one what's his name? I want I
don't want to keep something. Yeah, fay Rotha like just this psychopath that
you know in the Benedjesterit's eyes like he's potentially the one. So it's just
such a crazy converging of fates there. And when when fay Ratha like stabs
Paul and everyone just gafs. You have the Reverend Mother who's like very pregnant
and like seems so like stoic and silent, Like she gets up and just
like reacts, and it just seems like something that is going against the script.
Like maybe she's so calm because she knows what's happening all the all these
things are like the dominoes are falling in the right path that you kind of
you kind of know what's happening. But then he gets stabbed, and all
of a sudden, it's like, oh my god, we lost a domino.
Like the whole, the whole, the whole trail is just shifted.
There. I another scene that was just so powerful for me, and I
was totally engaged in. Yeah, definitely, what else anything we haven't mentioned
yet? Uh? I know we were talking about Gerty, but I am
so glad that he stayed alive from the last movie. Uh, Taylor,
you mentioned his smuggling thing. I was very curious as to how they were
gonna write him in because obviously we saw him in the trailers and whatnot.
But I just thought he was just such a great like reminder of Caladan and
like where Paul came from, and like just such a like a true loyal
soldier to the A Trade's family, and he was just he was a fun
dynamic to have in like amongst just an army of all freemen, like to
have this this A Trade's guy just there. But also, as Taylor,
you're you're emphasizing earlier, like just so loyal to that family, and I
think it's just like Josh Brolin's like Charisma two bouncing off Paul. It was
it was really working for me, and uh yeah, I'm so Like I
thought he might be an easy one to kill off too, just because he
was in the last movie, like we had him a lot there. Maybe
can have a sacrifice here, but he's still alive and really loyal to the
Duke of Iracus. So I like that it's not just like Calidan and the
Trade's family is, like it's not just tossed away, like it is still
a very much relevant thing. And I am really happy that in that moment
when Paul is in that the Southern Areas, like like like when he's what
was it was, how can I say this? When he was like yelling
at everyone and like saying he is the one, Like in that moment,
I thought for a moment he was just gonna throw away the ring and just
be like I am your friend and leader, but he like still kept it
and like I am the Baron's son. He's speaking English at that point,
Like I just really like how where he is because I thought maybe if when
he took the blue goo, he was just fully gone in the frem and
direction. He's fully the Messiah. Now, he's fully whatever their name is
that that they have for him. But he is still this multifaceted individual and
it just makes it so much more interesting in my opinion. But yeah,
I was, I was juicing for that stuff. Yeah, we didn't really
have any significant deaths on the the good side of things, the quote unquote
good side, like try no friend, Yeah, and uh, it's kind
of it, really, You're not wrong. Yeah, there's that one worm
that dies to give its blue goo in the water. Did it die?
I didn't know if it. I couldn't tell if it actually died for good
or just chilling there after. I assumed it died because it was like drowning
it and then the last little air bubble comes out, and I'm just like,
it's kind of gruesome, Like I shouldn't feel affection for this little,
this little gross worm thing, but like I'm kind of sad that thing just
had to drown for that to occur. That was a funny sequence with that.
That person who's like that seems to be their job is just like mini
worms and sucking out their their juice. She was a master at it,
just because like my baby wants to see how it's done. It's like,
fuck, that's kind of fucked up. But okay, I guess I gotta
drown another one. Yeah, she's like, I don't do this for entertainment,
like and uh, just like worms in general. Obviously there's a lot
of them in this movie. I liked all the the action sequences of them.
It's just a great creature amongst film, I feel, and like sci
fi. I did like seeing like a smaller version of it, though,
and there's still so much mystery around them. I'm I'm curious as if they
unveil some more of those things. I did a little bit of digging on
my own just on the previous viewing of Dune. I won't say too much
because it seems like there's some big story type things attached to them, but
very interesting creatures and the fact that they can be so small, right,
like she's she mentioned it's a very young one. Clearly, it's it's you
can handle it versus the giant ones. Yeah, no, definitely, I
mean that scene when Paul first is able to mount one on his own is
really really great. Really epic. I like you have it too, because
it seems like for the other people who have done that, the other freemen
who have done this bunch of times, like they probably don't need to be
as precise with the placement and where they stand and all that, Like they're
pretty pretty damn good at it. But yeah, I thought it was really
cool to see and Shiney's like, oh, gotta go lower and he goes
down there, like, oh, that was really really fun. Visually,
Yeah, absolutely anything else, that's all. I think. I'm happy with
that. There might be one or two things I'm missing, but that's all
right, A lot to unpack near three hour movie. Final thoughts and rating,
Taylor feel what are you gone? So? I'm glad that we had
the opportunity to discuss a lot of this movie because I feel like it definitely
helped me see and understand a little bit more of the characters, a little
bit more of just the overall narrative. But all in all, I think
that these actors, they really really came and they played hard, and I
think it totally is represented in their characters that they're they're they're portraying. I
mean, I love it. I think that they're they're living and breathing these
roles, and it's great because this this world, I mean, it needs
that, It needs that connection and needs that engagement. And so just to
be one of the viewers and just to be rallying behind Paula Trad's that gets
me excited for sure. That's something a testament to the music. Like you
mentioned Dylan as well, There's so many awesome factors that really make this a
cinematic experience. This is why I would absolutely recommend you go see this in
theaters. It is long, and I don't know if this movie will be
for everyone, but I think it's definitely a movie that everyone mostly everyone will
will enjoy for sure, and hopefully even more so if you have read the
books. I'm excited to see where this is going to go because I feel
like there's a lot of ground to cover, and yeah, I'm probably gonna
go. Before we talked, I was thinking around the seven seven and a
half, but after talking I'd probably landed at an eight out of ten.
To be honest, I'm still docking at those points because I feel like scenes
were cut up and certain things were just kind of like transitioning too fast.
I was left feeling like I wanted some more, even if it's more exposition
or just more clarity between certain things, and it's just other things that I
felt maybe were needed. And that's weird to say for like a three hour
film, because if it's three hour film, like, okay, well you
need everything. Everything in here should be is like very very valuable, and
it's just all for the story. But that negative aside, it's a wonderful
film, wonderful score, The visuals just blow your mind away, and you
get some really really cool stuff that they did here. So yeah, nice.
I remembered one thing that I had a question of, which was just
one of these things that was super fucking loud on the music, so I
couldn't hear what Paul was saying to the baron when he was going up to
kill me. He had like two lines. Do you guys remember he says
something grandfather. Yeah, he calls him grandfather. Okay, I don't know
what he says right after, I don't know, like avenging his dad in
some way, something about that fuck you asshole. Would probably you know,
translate that to what do you think my dad was a good man? What
do you think went through the Baron's like mind when he's just said like yeah,
like hello father. I mean he probably seen in that scene. I
was hoping he would take off his mask. He doesn't take off his mask
like he like he literally stabs him and then like walks out without taking his
mask off. Like that would have been a big jaw drop moment. And
it happens a little bit later on. His whole like just jaunt into that
scene is just so badass though, Like he has so much confidence. He's
he's like the leader of all these people and he just still is the first
man in struts in all these saudakr like pointing their swords at him, and
he just gets right up close and personal like again like he's just seeing the
outcome, like he knows what's gonna happen. But I was hoping for a
face to face because as you laid out, the baron could still be confused.
It's possible he doesn't really know. Is this the dumb question? Does
the baron know that that's his grandson? I I hope maybe in that moment
it became clear. I don't know. And again, maybe this is something
that's gonna come out in like the third movie, but like in Jessica's vision
or maybe it was Paul's vision of seeing baby Jessica, Like the baron was
there in that scene, so he does know that he at least had a
daughter. I don't know if he knew that it was Jessica. I like
to think maybe he is just for like a story reason, but it doesn't
seem like at any point obviously he mentions that, like, I need to
get Jessica, call a scene between him and Jessica, and no it doesn't
happen. Yeah. Interesting, Okay, No, I my final thoughts here.
I definitely you guys helped patch a lot of the holes I had,
but there are still some things that I wish we're done a bit better,
explained, a bit better certain characters. I'm definitely more looking forward to a
sequel now that I have a bit more context of what's going on here.
But yeah, I can't. Even with all that, I'm still definitely lower
on this than I was the first one, which I don't even really feel
disappointed because I still love this movie. It's just like a few minor things
here or there, and a little bit of sanding off the edges I suppose,
so definitely excited, Like you know, anything that's a Golden Geek tender,
I got to rewatch if it's came out this early in the year,
I got to rewatch it close to Golden Geek's time. So I'm definitely gonna
do a rewatch of hopefully one into two before we do that, and hopefully
at that time I can really piece together a lot more of it and it
makes a bit more sense. But yeah, for today, I still love
this movie. I definitely am not as strong as the first one, but
still a great time. Just such a visual delight, like that's the biggest
highlight for me for sure, and the sound is just such a such an
epic frickin' movie, And I am excited for part three. Hopefully we get
that and hopefully I hope happens pretty soon. We don't have to wait seven
years or something like that. But there you go. That's my final thoughts.
Kirklam, What do you got? I got? I got a big
old ten out of ten on this one. I'm gonna fulfilling the prophecy.
I fulfill the prophecy, that's right, you know, Maybe it'll be something
similar where like how the last movie I was at nine point five and eventually
got to ten. Maybe I'll put a ten and eventually goes down to a
nine point five or something. But I truly like Out the Gate just was
blown away by this. I really just resonated with the whole Prophecy storyline.
I felt like all the big moments really hit for me. And although you
guys did bring up some very fair critiques and there's even just some pacing things
in the third act that slightly bothered me, it really didn't take away from
the overall enjoyment of this story. And Yeah, I absolutely love don Now
even though this is my oly experience is being the two movies here, It's
just such a fascinating story with so many moving parts in it and so many
complicated individuals with their own motivation that I think just makes it that much that
much more interesting. The yeah, like I was telling Shaye to you on
the drive home, is just like you know, sometimes, like on the
podcast, we watched trailers for things, we talk about them. I used
to be the person that was like, I don't even want to see any
trailers for any movie. I just want to go in as blind as possible.
I was pretty impressed that I didn't feel like although the trailer did show
a lot of big moments, it really didn't feel like it took anything away
from those moments, like like the three worms that was that was big in
the trailer, Like them attacking the Emperor's folks. I don't know why I
said folks, his his troops. It like it still felt as epic as
as as a look there the scene when he he like yells at the riven
mother just silence, like right in her face. Every time I saw that
in the trailer, gaming goosebumps, and it hit even harder in the movie,
Like I was looking forward to that scene and it just it was so
epic just to see the growth of where Paul was from the first part to
now, and it just seems like he's still growing moving on to the next
part. So I can't wait for the next ones. And who knows,
maybe I'll be diving into the books by the time that that next part comes
in. But truly truly love this. Great performances, great cinematic experience,
set set designs, the costumes. I hope this movie wins awards. I'm
not really a big award guy, but like, I just feel like deserves
it for for my own It's it's definitely gonna be like I said early on,
just filling up some Golden Geeks categories for me. But yeah, great
time. Did did Tyler enjoy it? I forgot to ask him. Yes,
he did, tea money, Yeah he he truly, he truly liked.
He hadn't seen Dune until like I think a month ago, Like he
watched it over the first time, so it was fresh in his mind.
And yeah, he was. He was definitely digging it. He he had
a couple, you know, concerns or not, maybe concerns but just questions.
But yeah, overall, maybe he'll give his thoughts the discord. He's
usually prety quiet in the discord, but he's more of a watcher, like
I feel that role sometimes as well in there. But gotta have your lurkers.
Yeah, there you go. Thank you everyone so much for listening.
And when we see you next it won't be boring. Kirklan, howbout you
send us out with one last one last scream here man, yokey man.
That was me. That wasn't even the video. I've just mastered it.