WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:07.480 Well, whiskey coming, fame, my pain, my brain, Oh whiskey, 2 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:15.320 don't let me go. From Powerline blog dot com and produced by Wicochet 3 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:22.679 dot com. This is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, 4 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:30.839 John You and Powerlines International Woman of Mystery Lucresha's gotta give me and let 5 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:41.320 that whiskey blow where you're being in love down and low. Welcome everybody to 6 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:46.840 another episode of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour. I'm your host, John You, 7 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:52.920 and I'm joined as always by my two co hosts, Steve Hayward, 8 00:00:53.119 --> 00:01:00.359 Hello Steve, Hi John, and Lucresia, the International Woman of History. 9 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.719 Hi Lucretia, Hi John, I miss you already and then you're taking off 10 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:10.200 for another country, leaving me behind very so but Lucretia. I didn't even 11 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.680 know if Lucretia would fit. Lucretia would fit in so well in Korea, 12 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:19.159 where I'm headed for a week, because Koreans have Roman virtues of the republic. 13 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.480 They're tough, they're tough people. Everybody a lot of Korean friends. 14 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:32.079 I do, John, because my town is a military town and soldiers are 15 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:37.280 are you know, stationed PCs to Korea and then come back with Korean wives. 16 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.560 So this is a very Korean town that I live in. So um 17 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.159 I have and and quite a few Koreans go to my uh my church, 18 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:53.120 and my church often has special services just for them. And on Corpus Christie 19 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.599 Sunday, a lot of the lovely Korean women dress up in their their what 20 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.159 would you call them native? Not native, that's not the right handbock, 21 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:06.159 No, their native costume, their native custome to do the Corpus Christie, 22 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:08.560 you know, Church of Christ, bio Christ and cool and yeah, so 23 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:15.599 I'm way more Korean, a Korean Korean a file than you might think. 24 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:21.080 But we're not my only Korean friend, but Lucretia and we're on zoom here. 25 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:23.520 Of course, do you believe this is really John? You present? 26 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:29.039 And not a chat gpt AI bought because it starts off so low key. 27 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:30.960 I mean, I'm used to John showing up on the Fox News on the 28 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:36.400 Ricochet podcast and it's boom with a wise crack and his high energy guy, 29 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:38.560 and here he's all low key and you take your host duties too seriously, 30 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:43.159 John, that's all So yeah, I can't have enough McDonald's products today. 31 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.120 I don't want to say, really, you should take a screenshot, because 32 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:52.159 if if all of our listeners could see John tonight, not only would they 33 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:58.000 be shocked and dismayed at how much of a preppy he looks like he's got 34 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.840 on a v nextwetter. Of course, you know, he's got his library 35 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.840 behind him and the sweaters from and of course it's a Brooks Brothers sweater. 36 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:14.879 And he's trying to get into Harvard ease they already did so even though he 37 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:20.199 was Asian. That just excuse me. That just tells you how smart John 38 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:25.800 is that he was able to get into Harvard before the Supreme Court opinion. 39 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:30.599 Yeah, when it was there was still racial discrimination. I actually think I 40 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:37.840 should get like a contribution from every Asian parent in the country because of all 41 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:43.000 the hard work for thirty years I have. I have almost by myself tripled 42 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:47.039 the chances of every Asian kid of getting into Harvard. That's got to be 43 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:53.240 worth something. Yeah, And I told, I told you. I told 44 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.520 this terrible joke on the Ricochet Main podcast when Peter Robinson said, oh, 45 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:02.319 I've seen you on Fox and CNN and all these outlets about the Harvard case, 46 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.439 and I said, you know what that is, Peter, and he 47 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:08.800 said, well, I said, that's what we call the Asian victory Lap 48 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.319 for the first and only time ever. And then, by the way, 49 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:19.279 because it was it came out just a little bit after our last week podcast, 50 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:21.519 but John sent it to me. I had seen it, but I 51 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:27.680 still laughed. It was the Babylon Bee that said, uh Asian American students 52 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:33.319 celebrate Harvard decision by taking a five minute steady break, And I said, 53 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:38.040 the Swimpson, you know, in my day would have been thirty seconds. 54 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.279 So guys, Steve, what do you drink? Steve? What are you 55 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:47.399 drinking too? Yeah? I am finishing off a bottle of Aaron A A 56 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.959 A R R A M ten year old? Uman? What is that? 57 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.839 It's uh? Where's it from? It's from the Isle of Erin. I 58 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.920 think look it up here. I was gonna say, say it sounds vaguely 59 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.480 old Testament or you know, Game of Throne something. I don't know. 60 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:04.920 Um, uh, I don't know. I don't even know where I got 61 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.399 it, but I have it. That's very nice. Yeah, I love 62 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:13.480 Aaron. Yeah, so I have a pron and pardon me, I'm choking. 63 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.519 That is that you know I'm a morning person and John is a nice 64 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:21.720 night person. We're taping this a little bit late past my drinking hour. 65 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:28.800 I did have an entire bottle on my own, mostly of a beautiful Italian 66 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.040 wine. But I want to tell you that I was able to order an 67 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:41.079 entire case. I got the very last bottle of a twenty fifteen Castello Cacciano, 68 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:46.000 which is of course our good friend Genevra's winery, which is the fourth 69 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:53.759 oldest family continuously operating family business in the universe, in the world, and 70 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:58.439 this was an oldest winery, yes, continuously operating, and I was able 71 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.639 to order a case of it. When I do, I'm going to save 72 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.800 a bottle for us to have together next time we're going to get together. 73 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:11.319 So it's Countess, isn't it. Don't blow our cover. Don't blow a 74 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:14.519 baroness, right, I won't. I'm not going to say anything more about 75 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:16.000 her because they don't want to get him in trouble or anything like that. 76 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:20.639 But but anyway, she was a lovely woman that we all adore from Italy, 77 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:25.199 and she happens to be married to a baron who lives in a castle. 78 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.480 They both live in a castle, from the eleventh century and his families 79 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:33.040 and making wind there for eight hundred years or something. You know. Believe 80 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:39.399 the other the other part of the story is that they're mentioned in Dante's Infernos, 81 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.639 one of the families of Tuscany. Yeah. Really, there's this dream 82 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.680 named after them in Florence. Yeah, oh my goodness. Yea. So 83 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.600 anyway, you know, our listeners probably love the idea of me taking them 84 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.600 to McDonald's, but I didn't get a chance. Next time, next time 85 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.279 they visit, I'm going to introduce them to the joys of American cuisine. 86 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:00.639 But wait a minute, I have to ask you, John, how was 87 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:05.560 horseback riding? Ah? So, you know, entertaining Italians is never just 88 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:11.959 a simple walk down the road or a little hike. My Italian visitors because 89 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.720 Stephen Lucretia took them around a little bit down San Francisco and then they bailed 90 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:20.439 out on me, and I was responsible responsible for all these Italians for the 91 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.720 next few days. So I said, what would you like to do? 92 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.720 And I thought they might like to see, you know, like the Chance 93 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.800 of America you're amid Yeah, our library. No, they wanted to go 94 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.680 horseback riding along the ocean. So I had to figure out. Oh my 95 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:38.879 butt still hurts. I had to go to I don't understand. I'm like, 96 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.759 how did mankind survive before the combustion engine? I mean that was painful, 97 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.319 right? And what did you do when you ran out of quarters? 98 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:51.759 John, I was really riding a real horse. I photographic evidence. I'm 99 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:56.639 going to send it to you. You could post it. And then I 100 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:58.879 took them the next day. They wanted to go on the base, so 101 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.800 I took them kayak around San Francisco Bay and you know what, I have 102 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.920 so much fun because I said, they know nothing, So I said, 103 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.240 you know there's we're gonna see seals, and we're there seals. There are 104 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:15.120 great whites. Yeah, they freaked out. So I said, every seat, 105 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.199 if you see anything under the water, large moving fast, that's probably 106 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:26.759 a giant sharp Oh it was so much fun. They freaked out. I 107 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.560 didn't tell them until we turned it back that there actually there are great whites 108 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.159 in the bay, but not many as far as we know anyway. So 109 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.440 then and then on July fourth, I took them to a big, good, 110 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.000 old fashioned American barbecue with all you could eat hot dogs and hamburgers and 111 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:50.519 ice cream sandwiches and apple pie. Oh good with a so and you guys 112 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:56.000 would like this with a seventies eighties cover band. Oh okay, you know 113 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:01.840 that's that's America. Yet absolutely that sounds like wonderful. The rest of it, 114 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.080 I'm not so sure about the guyaking would be okay, But it's been 115 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:11.240 a long time since I've been on a horse to John, and I grew 116 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.240 up in horse country. But uh yeah, that's a that's a thing younger 117 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.759 people do and stupid people when they get older. Anyway, anyway, glad, 118 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.320 I'm glad you had fun. I'm glad we did. And what are 119 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:30.039 you drink? So I'm having since since it was July fourth this week, 120 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.080 and we're going to talk a little bit about the podcast about the Revolution and 121 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.720 the Declaration of Independence. I thought I would have Jefferson, a rye from 122 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.600 one of the original colonies. So I have whistle Pig here, right, 123 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:50.480 which if er yeah, but I hate Jefferson. I'm a Hamiltonian, you 124 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.639 know, so I just can't stand. So this is whistle Pig Farm stock 125 00:09:54.759 --> 00:10:03.159 rye eighty six proof made and sure Vermont which I'm sure they pronounced Shaham Vermont 126 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.399 in New England probably, so whistle Pig Eyes is probably my favorite rye these 127 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:16.879 days. Okay, so let's oh, of course, Actually Lucretia's will like 128 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:22.000 this. Lucretia got us all three whiskey half hour water for crystal glasses, 129 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.639 and I put it right behind my head when I'm on Fox. Every time 130 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.159 i'm FOM, I swear to God it's right back back here, right behind 131 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:35.320 my head. So the discerning, discerning watcher, we'll see it and want 132 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:45.919 and want to buy one messaging. Okay, so let's start on the many 133 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:52.559 topics we have today. First was all, we're all the conspiracy theories that 134 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:58.639 conservatives have about social media actually true. And I'm talking about the case that 135 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:03.519 came out this week Missouri, or as I learned to pronounce it, Missouri 136 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.720 after I worked in the Senate, Missouri versus Biden, a decision that came 137 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:16.759 out this week from a district judge in Louisiana who found that the United States 138 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:22.080 government had been in cahoots with the social media companies to engage in censorship of 139 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:33.360 conservative speech, and having found that then and joined federal agencies essentially from working 140 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:41.240 with the social media companies going forward So Steve, let's start with you. 141 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:45.919 What did you think about this decision? Do you think that the judge went 142 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:52.279 too far or got things right? And finding that the government had so either 143 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:58.240 coerced or encouraged the social media companies to engage in censorship that it amounted to 144 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.679 a violation the First Amendment. Yeah, so, as you mentioned, well, 145 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.639 what a couple baseline things. The opinion is one hundred and fifty five 146 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.600 pages. Now it's double space, so it's not commensurate with say, two 147 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:15.559 hundred and thirty seven pages of the Harvard Supreme Court decision. But it's also 148 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.960 a district court case, which means a lot more of it is less about 149 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.720 the law than a finding of the facts. As the judge sees it has 150 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:24.960 emerged from the trial, and boy, is the narrative of the facts ever 151 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.679 gripping because it's yeah, they censored conservatives, but also some liberals. They 152 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.240 talk about how Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Was censored, And lots of 153 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.919 details and maybe they can be contested, I don't know, but lots of 154 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:41.840 details of federal government agencies and the Biden White House having these meetings with social 155 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:48.279 media companies and with YouTube and so forth to take down and otherwise censor claims, 156 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.120 often that they turned out later to be true, like on masks and 157 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.440 other parts of COVID. Let me just insert here that one of the plaintiffs 158 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.919 in the case that's wrapped into the Missouri against Biden, it was Jay Batachar. 159 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.440 Yeah, I think it's been vindicated on every single point and everything anyway, 160 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:09.200 and so he gave an a junction. And one news item I did 161 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.600 see late Thursday is that the State Department, I think it's at the State 162 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:18.240 Department, has canceled their regular bi weekly meeting with Facebook to talk about how 163 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.279 they do content a policing. So so we'll seeven holds up on appeal. 164 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:28.000 There are some suggests exceptions for national security issues, but that would be you 165 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.679 know, genuine foreign espionage and for an interference, but that's different from censoring 166 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.120 American citizens, which they were. And the judge is pretty clear that, 167 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.960 oh, they did this and it has to stop. I know both of 168 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.360 you, but first of John and Steve that I'm going to take a little 169 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:50.679 bit more strident view of this. I would when I read the opinion. 170 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:56.639 What I was shocked about wasn't so much the collusion you might find between say 171 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:03.320 I'll just pick one, because there's several between Facebook and the h and different 172 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:09.279 agencies of the federal government, but specifically the Biden administration, the COVID Digital 173 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:16.919 whatever people. It was the the veiled threats and the way that they used 174 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:22.639 Section to thirty threats and other kinds of things to just turn these these Facebook 175 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.159 I'll keep it at that. It's pretty much true across the board, these 176 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:35.879 Facebook um censor csars into just these these patsias for the administration. You know. 177 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:37.759 Oh, well wait a minute, you said you were doing this, 178 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.000 but you're not doing it well enough. Oh, we'll get you back in 179 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.039 answer in twenty four hours. We promise, We promise me, we'll try 180 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.279 to do better. We promise, we'll do whatever you can. And that 181 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:58.159 whole thing was what really shocked me is how obsequious the social media executives were 182 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:03.840 to these political hacks in the Biden administration. That shocked me beyond all belief. 183 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.600 I was. I expected, you know, I'd heard, like you 184 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.559 say, there were rumors, but just oh my god, it's the government 185 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.320 and whatever you want, so I will do. I'll get your back. 186 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.759 You want to an answer twenty four hours. I'll get it in twenty four 187 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.519 minutes, you know, all the way through. That's let me let me 188 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.679 just interrupt just briefly. The reason why the opinion is long, why it 189 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:31.919 is one hundred and fifty five pages, is a judge lists example after example 190 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.320 after example, and I think one thing, it's hard to appreciate. You 191 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:39.200 don't get the sense from the newspaper stories about this. It's hard to appreciate 192 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:45.919 how intensive the relationship was between the Biden administration and social media. I mean, 193 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:50.919 there's it sounds like the Biden White House was emailing Twitter and Facebook every 194 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:56.720 day and take this down, Facebook, take this person off. Sound like 195 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.240 desperate eighth grade girls. Well, I think it was. That's what I 196 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.519 was saying. That's what I was Steve's what I was trying to suggest opening 197 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:06.559 up is I thought, oh, it's gonna be a long slog, one 198 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.919 hundred and fifty five pages of a district court judge. You know, But 199 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.120 Dan, it's it's it's actually kind of gripping the further in you go. 200 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.159 And so I'll just give you one quote. I pulled out a page ninety 201 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:21.200 seven. So, uh, this is a message from the White House to 202 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.240 who Sorry, oh, I don't see what never mind the content the message, 203 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:29.480 so what's important? Quote? Cannot stress the degree to which this needs 204 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:34.039 to be resolved immediately? Please remove this account immediately they want? You know, 205 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.480 I Twitter, doesn't matter which social media company, but ordering them to 206 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:42.480 delete an account and you know, block somebody now The one one worry I 207 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.480 have. Can I say, Steve, you missed her best one on that 208 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:49.559 list number K where it's as flierty, who's a White House official? To 209 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:56.159 Facebook? Quote, are you guys effing serious on editing there? I want 210 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:57.840 an answer on what happened here, and I want it today. Yeah, 211 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.159 right now, they're all like that. No, it's it's a wonderful dossier 212 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.119 of how bad these people were on both sides. The one worry, which 213 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:11.400 I guess I shouldn't worry about that much, but absently the federal government coercion 214 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.119 and involvement in the matter, might the social media companies on their own be 215 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:17.440 even worse. I mean, you know, we know what kind of people 216 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.559 work in these places, and they might actually be more aggressive censors without some 217 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.480 minimal involvement in the federal government. I don't know. Let me ask you 218 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:27.720 Lucretia. Let me ask you that that would be the defense. There'd be 219 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:32.640 two defenses for the White House. One is and one of them. Actually 220 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:40.640 one of the defenses works better the worse the social media companies are, because 221 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:45.359 what one thing the government could say is we weren't coercing anybody. We were 222 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:51.039 just bringing things to their tension, errors and mistakes. The social media companies, 223 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:56.039 by themselves are so left wing they would do this anyway. The government 224 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:59.640 doesn't need to coerce them to be left wing censors, because that's what they 225 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:03.359 would be on their own. Quite frankly, John, that was the opinion 226 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.079 I had of things before I read this case, and this case actually, 227 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.839 I think just decimates that idea. There is no doubt in my mind that 228 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:18.319 this is the worst kind of, uh what coercion on the part of the 229 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.799 government. And it's by the way, we've kind of generalized this a little 230 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.599 bit too much. It's not just COVID, although it absolutely is COVID. 231 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:36.119 It's not just the um, the anything anything about any irregularities in the twenty 232 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:41.839 twenty election. It's also anything about Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden laptop. It's 233 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:48.720 also anything about the economy, about gas prices about on and on and on 234 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:53.920 and on and on that anything that might have presented the Biden administration in the 235 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:03.240 tiniest bad light or prevented the Biden the hopeful Biden administration call it that from 236 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:11.720 being able to manipulate COVID to ensure that they could get away with all of 237 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.160 the things they did in order to call I can't, I can't say anything 238 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.000 else after reading us to steal the election? You know, they they censored 239 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:26.720 reports about states that did away with their signature requires for mail and valids, 240 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.839 their postmark requirements, and anybody who came out with anything about it were censored. 241 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:37.880 And when Facebook again I'll just leave it at Facebook or Twitter obviously came 242 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.640 back and said, well, this hasn't really come under our censor guidelines. 243 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:47.039 It was excused the language, but effing do it anyway. We don't care, 244 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:49.880 right, And so that that that that's my answer to you, John, 245 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:56.119 I don't think that there was a defense by the Biden administration that they 246 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.640 were just sort of, you know, encouraging what social media was already doing. 247 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.680 They were tyrants, they were they were despicable in all of this, 248 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:10.640 more than I ever even dreamed as possible. One other thing that doesn't come 249 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:15.279 through, I think in the newspaper accounts is the involvement of universities. So 250 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.759 if you look at the opinion, it talks about how right, there's the 251 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:23.440 agencies of the government and the White House, and you know, some of 252 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:30.000 our most important intelligence agencies monitoring the Internet asking Twitter, Facebook to take these 253 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:34.680 posts off. But a lot of times these government agencies are taking the information 254 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:42.400 from something called the Virality Project, being called like the Internet Observatory that's at 255 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:48.640 Stanford. And it's incredible this he was just this is on page eighty five 256 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:55.359 the opinion, if you're curious, the Virility Project made up a list of 257 00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:02.039 the primary spreaders of misinformation, as they called it. So on this I 258 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:03.359 don't even know who some of these are. Jill Hines, I don't know 259 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:08.119 who that is. One American News, Breitbart News, Alex Barnson, Tucker 260 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:15.039 Carlson. So this Viralty Project basically kept sending information to the government every time 261 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:21.400 Tucker Carlson said something about vaccines to get it removed. Number six, all 262 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:26.039 of Fox News, number seven, Candice Owens, number eight, the Daily 263 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:32.640 Wire. And to Steve's point that this is a Bipartisan Censorship Operation. Number 264 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:36.200 nine, all of Robert F. Kennedy Junior was to be removed from the 265 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:41.000 Internet. Number ten something called doctor Simone gold and America's Frontline Doctors, which 266 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:47.039 sounds pretty good to me. And number eleven doctor Joyce Mercula. I'm actually 267 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:52.720 shocked that the lucretia to be identified is not number twelve on the list. 268 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.160 But the one interesting thing is that the universities were involved with this too, 269 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:02.960 not just social media and not just the Biden administration. What do you think 270 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:06.480 that, Steve, I don't know why would be surprised to that at all. 271 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:07.359 I mean, it sounds like their kind of thing. I mean, 272 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:15.400 I think I told you guys that during COVID, Deborah Burks planned on making 273 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:19.960 a visit to my university. At the time, we had a former surgeon 274 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:29.160 General, Richard Carmona as our incident response commander for COVID, and he invited 275 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:30.920 and she came, Deborah Burks, And at first, you know, people 276 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:36.440 were up in arms because this was still under the Trump administration, and nobody 277 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:40.039 in the entire university, of course, wanted to have anything to do with 278 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:45.119 anyone associated with the Trump administration. But as it turned out she was welcomed 279 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.640 with open arms and you know, parties and whatever she was because you know, 280 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:53.119 she she wasn't any part of the Bush, the Trump administration. She 281 00:22:53.319 --> 00:23:00.119 was part of this whole incredible attempt to just shut the country down so that 282 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.039 the elites could get what they wanted during COVID. And you know, I 283 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:07.000 don't see any other way forward on it. I really don't. This is 284 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:11.119 this isn't just about COVID, but the you know, shutting down any kind 285 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.279 of complaints about children. That the Hinds lady that you mentioned, by the 286 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.480 way, was from Louisiana and she was the one who was trying to get 287 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:25.039 Louisiana schools reopened. And she had one time had over one point one million 288 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.240 subscribers I think on Facebook, and by the time they were done with her, 289 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:32.279 she would within a couple of weeks she was down to eighty five thousand 290 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:36.480 because they, you know, between algorithms and so on, completely censored her. 291 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:40.000 She was calling for she said, look, there's no evidence that children 292 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.640 should wear masks, there's no evidence that we need to cut schools done. 293 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.680 There's no evidence that children or at any risk whatsoever from COVID and they shut 294 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:56.759 her down. They completely shut her down. Why why? Yeah, Okay, 295 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:03.359 let's turn to some the issues still some of the issues still burning from 296 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:08.880 the Supreme Court term. I want to get your take on this story that's 297 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.519 come up in the wake of the three or three Creative case. You remember, 298 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:18.720 three or three Creative is the case of the website designer who did not 299 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:26.640 want to make wedding design wedding websites for gay marriages Colorado, which had earlier 300 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:32.000 persecuted I think his name is Jack Phillips. The baker who didn't who didn't 301 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:37.640 want to bake cakes for gay weddings. Colorado has a antidiscrimination law which includes 302 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:45.319 LGBTQ plus I think I got them all there, and so in a I 303 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:52.319 think a resounding victory for freedom of speech and freedom of thought. The Court 304 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:57.720 said that Colorado could not force the website designer, and I think by implication 305 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:04.480 obviously the baker and the florist and all writers and anybody else whose work involves 306 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.400 free speech or expression from having to bend anee, as it were, to 307 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:15.200 diversity. But there have been claims now from the left left left in the 308 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.680 media. It's just not a tiny dribble of claims. This is a huge 309 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:25.480 firestorm of claims that the case was all made up. And the reason why 310 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:29.559 they say this is because I think there was a report in the New Republic 311 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:34.279 and they're repeated endlessly, I think, and left wing media suggesting that there 312 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:40.519 was no real gay couple that actually wanted the website in the first place. 313 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:47.480 Steve, what do you make of this? Why all the storm and drying 314 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:51.880 about, Yeah, whether this is true? Well, I mean there's two 315 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:53.920 or three things to be said about it. One is, I thought the 316 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:59.680 case represented yet another instance of cleaning up a mass left by Anthony Kennedy, 317 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.759 because you know, they heard the Masterpiece Cake Shop case, which was very 318 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.160 similar or coloraud of statute. And you know, his opinion, as I 319 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:10.559 recalled, ruled in favor of the baker Jack Phillips, very narrowly. But 320 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.720 it was on kind of as grounds as I recall from that Texas case where 321 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.799 he talked about or No, it was actually Romer v. Evans. That's 322 00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:19.160 the where he wanted to said, where a law that is motivated by animus 323 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.160 against the particular group is unconstitutional. What the textual basis for that is, 324 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:26.000 I don't know. But the point as he was trying to use the same 325 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:32.400 logic he'd used in the gay rights case of Romer v. Evans I against 326 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:36.400 that law. But it should have been a straightforward religious liberty or first amendment 327 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:38.359 or let me just let me just jump in right, what was so yeah, 328 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.359 let me just jem me what Actually what Kennedy said in that in the 329 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.839 Masterpiece Cake Shop wasn't that the law was at fault, that the this is 330 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:52.759 so stupid. The state administrative agency that held a hearing about whether the baker 331 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.519 violable was essentially too mean. Yes to the baker, right, yeah, 332 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.680 that's where the animals was essentially what she held. They have a very aggressive 333 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.200 and the logically left state civil Rights commission that made Jack Phillips's life miserable. 334 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.559 It was going to compel re education camps for his employees and him. But 335 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.359 then the deeper problem. I actually wrote an article about this ten years ago 336 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:17.599 in that case first popped up the law as I understand that attempts to define 337 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:22.039 the cake baker, a website maker, a photographer whoever, as the equivalent 338 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:25.480 of public accommodations. And you know, we've always had the exception of public 339 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:30.039 accommodations open to anyone, hotels, restaurants, going back to the nineteenth century. 340 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.799 One of the few things the this year he got right about civil rights 341 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.759 in nineteenth century, And is that really the same? I mean, the 342 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.920 point about the cake maker is everyone should remember about that case. He Jack 343 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.240 Phillips, a religious guy. He was willing to sell any donuts, any 344 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:49.640 bread, any standard cakes that he made to anybody. What he would not 345 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:52.519 do is make a custom cake. And he was very well known for his 346 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:57.200 fancy cakes. He'd hand custom design that expressed same sex marriage. He did 347 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.839 not make cakes for a couple who were getting divorced. He would not make 348 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:06.839 cakes for Halloween. So he has a very consistent practice, but only denying 349 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:08.920 a cake to a same sex couple. By the way, before same sex 350 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.240 weddings were even legal in Colorado. I mean, I think it's worse and 351 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.599 worse the more you go through the facts. And Kennedy just did this crazy 352 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.839 thing about oh they were mean at the Civil Rights Commission. If he ruled 353 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.519 correctly the first time, we wouldn't have had this second case. Okay. 354 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.000 I thought for a long time that the public accommodations rationale civil rights was going 355 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:33.119 to run sooner or later head on into the First Amendment of rights of freedom 356 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:37.400 of religion and free expression. This is either compelled speech in either case or 357 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:42.039 religious liberty right. And you know, we've never had a case. I 358 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:45.400 don't think we ever good get one that you know, a Baptist hotel won't 359 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.440 allow Catholics in, right, we wouldn't, you know, I think we 360 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.920 wouldn't allow for that. I forget how the reasoning would work. But you 361 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.720 know that makes some sense as well as a racial discrimination. But you know, 362 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.599 as our pal Richard Epstein points out, the rash and now for public 363 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.440 accommodations is there might not be another hotel for fifty miles, so you're really 364 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:08.599 imposing some hardship. It turns out that you can look up online and find 365 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:15.599 all the gay wedding web designers and bakers you want with a fifty mile radius 366 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.599 of wherever you are, so there's no constriction from the marketplace on the ability 367 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.960 of people to get the services they want. And by the way, why 368 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.519 do you want a cake from a cake maker? Who? I mean, 369 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.240 they picked on this guy, right, they're obviously going out of the way 370 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.799 to pick on these people. The left is and to make them submit and 371 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:36.680 compel them to agree. It's the Cooper Union thesis, Lucretia, that you 372 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.599 and I are eventually going to write up, and so it's really offensive in 373 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.920 that respect. So so the thing here is, sorry, I'm rambling too 374 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.079 much. The thing here is that no one had yet asked for a customized 375 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.720 wedding website. But this is one of those cases. And you'll have to 376 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.680 give me the technical term, John of where the court says, ah, 377 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.400 but this is going to happen and let's get onto it now. Which is 378 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.680 I think similar to cases in past I can name. I don't think this 379 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:06.119 is that unusual or rare. Oh yeah, yeah, in part actually what 380 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.720 and this is I think this is going to happen over and over again. 381 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:12.960 And Lucretia was talking about this last episode about you know, whether conservatives are 382 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:18.839 still going to obey all these limits on judicial power like standing and so on. 383 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.960 The ability to hear this case on the part of the court came about 384 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:29.279 because I think of a famous liberal exception to standing. So usually, right, 385 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.039 you need to if there's a law that's passed, Usually you can't sue 386 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.359 before the laws enforced. You have to wait for the government to come after 387 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:38.799 you, and then you have speech, and then yeah, you have to 388 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:45.519 be injured. But long ago liberals on the court made an exception of our 389 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.440 free speech. They said, if a law affects free speech, normal rules 390 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:55.640 don't apply because the mere presence of the law would have a chilling effect on 391 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:59.880 you, and you might censor yourself. And so in free speech case, 392 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:07.000 liberals always love to allow the ACLU to sue against an oppressive, mean conservative 393 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.759 state government here a city there before the law was ever enforced. And that's 394 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.519 the same doctrine here. Right, the website designer is going to say, 395 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.640 look, I have the right to sue first under liberal precedent, because if 396 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.000 I wait for Colorado to come after me, that's going to cost me a 397 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.599 lot of money. I might not even engage in the speech. I might 398 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:32.000 just to avoid being persecuted. I might start selling websites to gay right to 399 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:37.279 gay weddings. And this if the liberals want to get rid of this doctrine 400 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.480 that has benefited them all the time, then it actually has the effect Lucretia 401 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.880 was talking about last week that oh, all these procedural rules always seem to 402 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:51.680 be bent for the benefit of liberals and only has the effect of hurting conservatives. 403 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.799 Yeah, so this is an example maybe of a liberal doctrine turning round 404 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.680 to bite them finally, which we've seen another because they're the ones, which 405 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:07.759 makes sense because these procedural rules are were created to help sue oppressive governments. 406 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:13.359 So right, if the oppressive governments of the past were the southern segregation as 407 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.240 governments, right, well, guess who the oppressive governments are today? All 408 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.880 right, Well, let's you know, my pal Mark Perry has made a 409 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:28.640 cottage industry of filing legal challenges to universities under Title nine when they have special 410 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.559 programs just for women, just for minorities. I follows Title I think Title 411 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.519 seven complaints which you're given standing through the old Civil Rights Act, and bring 412 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.279 these complaints as as a third party, right, I think that's what it 413 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.799 works. And you know he wins these left and right. And you're right, 414 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.680 who's doing all this, well, universities and liberal institutions, And he's 415 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:51.759 filed several hundreds of these now and winning every single one. Just about Well, 416 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:57.400 I noticed one of you actually responded to my example. When I first 417 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.519 I was the one who alerted you guys to this going on, And I 418 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:07.599 said, isn't it interesting that liberals the left is complaining about this suppisitly made 419 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.160 up case that should have meant that it never went to the court in the 420 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:15.079 first place, when in fact, the most how should we say, the 421 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.880 most egregious example of that in modern history, of course, and it's not 422 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:28.440 a First Amendment case is Lawrence versus Texas. Lawrence versus Lawrence and whoever that 423 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.640 I forget the other guy's name, never had anything to do with each other. 424 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.640 They were not gay, They weren't gay. They were both married. 425 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.559 As I recall. There's it's all this stuff. So if the left really 426 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:45.359 wants to push this point and say that somehow three or three creative is illegitimate 427 00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:50.079 because there was in fact no harm done to uh you know, no, 428 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.759 no nobody on the other side, to make a genuine case of controversy, 429 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.160 then maybe we should overturn Lawrence versus Texas as well. That would be mine, 430 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.559 that would be that would be my offer. Okay, guys, but 431 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.400 then let's overturn Laurence versus Texas. And in case anybody doesn't know, Lawrence 432 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:12.800 versus Texas was a case that I actually talk about this case quite often, 433 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.639 and it really has nothing to do with the fact that I think that one 434 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:20.719 way or the other, we should be at the federal level regulating, caring 435 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.079 about what people do in the privacy of their own home. I'll just leave 436 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.239 it at that. But the first case was hard Work versus Bowers, which 437 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.760 tried to take the right to privacy, which had been found first of all 438 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.599 in Griswold and then of course in Row versus Way, and extend it to 439 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.679 the right to engage in sodomy. Sorry, that was really what it was, 440 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:43.719 and I swear to god the case was named hard Work versus Bowers. 441 00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.400 You know, the ironies of history. Justice Byron White, As I recall, 442 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.400 wrote the majority opinion of that case, and that, you know, 443 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:59.000 whatever else, the right to privacy was decided only and exclusively by the Supreme 444 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.320 Court. Uh, it didn't include the right to engage in sodomy, and 445 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.800 then of course that was overturned in Lawrence versus Texas. I forget, but 446 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.000 I think in either case or those statutes enforced but never I mean, no, 447 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:14.800 of course they were. I mean, god, what a horrible job 448 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.639 that would be as a law enforcement officer, which you know, it's also, 449 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:22.199 I know this is a distinction, John, from the principal and free 450 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.280 speech you mentioned, But we have a long history of I guess what I 451 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:29.320 would call contrived cases that I don't mean phony, but where they worked very 452 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.159 hard to get a case that otherwise might not have made of the I was 453 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.960 just about to say that, you know, they what happened for years, 454 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.079 the civil rights lawyers try to get a case the Supreme Court to enforce the 455 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:43.199 fourteenth Amendment, and it would always either get dismissed or they would find the 456 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.280 rail company. And so they finally had to have a cooperating law enforcement to 457 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:55.239 arrest Homer, a guy who was one thirty second black was white, right, 458 00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.800 yeah, blonde, curly hair. Right. Another another case like that 459 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:07.400 is the Connecticut case about contraceptives. Yeah law that, yeah, which had 460 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.360 never really been enforced and commonly silly law, I think is what the Justice 461 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.239 called it, right and uncommonly or in the descent, an uncommonly silly law, 462 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.840 but it wasn't being enforced, and yeah, it made no difference. 463 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.519 So yeah, the left, But you know, we I'm tired of saying 464 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:28.599 it. If the left didn't have standards, we can't expect the left to 465 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:34.719 put their own rules regarding standing or anything else in play when it disadvantages them, 466 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.880 because they're just not going to do it. But but if you will, 467 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.800 I'm gonna say, I think you'll see the left become the big fans 468 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:49.360 of procedural bars for the courts hearing things and structor standing. No more exceptions 469 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.480 like the one for free speech, because they don't want the court to decide 470 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.039 anything. Right. They're in. They're in a massive delaying game, right, 471 00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:00.559 delaying game until thy more liberal justices up to the court. If you 472 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:02.519 would draw back and take a wide angle view, it's uh. I mean 473 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.400 one of the things you've seen as well, the port packing idea came back 474 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.960 in a big way in the last week, and one of the arguments in 475 00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.639 favor of it is, well, the court, you know, it's thrashing 476 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.159 democracy. You know, it's thwarting majority. Will and I keep that. 477 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:21.199 You know, look at all the polls showing that a robust majority of Americans 478 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.039 has consistently said they don't like affirmative action dividing us up by race. What's 479 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:30.440 the I think they well, the students, right, yeah, yeah, 480 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.679 And so it's like, wait a minute, if you put this to a 481 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.039 vote. Who's so you can see this as a case of Sita. You're 482 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:43.079 talking about the same people Steve who said that when uh Liz Cheney lost by 483 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.920 sixty percent of the vote in the primary, it was the end of democracy 484 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.679 mark as we know it right now. I mean, they're just morons, 485 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.199 and the and their followers are even bigger morons. So but I have to 486 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:55.920 say, John, you asked the question. You know what we're takeaways from 487 00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.159 this term. One of the things about the Students for Fair Admission OA, 488 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.440 this is the case it's gonna gift that's gonna keep on giving. We're only 489 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:06.760 a week out, but still it seems to me that uh, it will 490 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.119 finally put an end to the left saying that Citizens United is the worst decision 491 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.480 since dread Scott, which has been safe for over a decade. They're so 492 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.679 bit out of shape about Citizens United. Well that was nothing compared to what 493 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.840 this has done to them. So let me ask you that, guys, 494 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:23.480 let me ask lucretia. But if you don't mind the Crestia, please, 495 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.119 if you have another point, go ahead. I was gonna ask you to 496 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.679 know, taking a step back now that we've throw a week away now from 497 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.400 the major decisions, we have some chance to reflect. Now we were I 498 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.719 listened to our last episode and we were a little bit giddy. We are 499 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:45.679 which is amazing, wanted to say, and we were done. So now 500 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.400 that we've had a week to sit back and think about it and reflect and 501 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.840 see all the commentary, Lucretia, what is your view on this term? 502 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.800 What do you think historians will say about this term? What do you think 503 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.840 the political scientists of the few, sure the political theorists of the future will 504 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:05.760 say about this supreme work term? Honestly, John, what's going to matter? 505 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:09.559 What's going to that's going to depend upon? How do I This sounds 506 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.679 so trite. I don't mean it to who writes the history. So let 507 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.639 me give you an example of what I mean by that. So a friend 508 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.280 of ours sent us an article from MSNBC by someone I know this is going 509 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.199 to shock you to death. Her name is Keisha whatever I don't order, 510 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:34.039 her last name was Keisha talking about how Canteeningy is the most brilliant legal mind 511 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.159 of the last you know, millennium, and how she was able to prove 512 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:46.360 in her historical reflections that the myth of a colorblind society, and she lists 513 00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:51.840 plus e versus ferguson, which, of course, is the case that determined 514 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:57.400 that separate but equals was a perfectly legitimate way to interpret the Fourteenth Amendment when 515 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.960 it came to discriminating on the basis of race and public accommodations. What she 516 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.719 doesn't do, of course, is make any mention, just like they didn't 517 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.840 in Brown, of course, of the Descent, which in some ways is 518 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:17.719 probably the most eloquent moving Supreme Court opinion in all of the Supreme Court history. 519 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.320 And you know where where Justice John John Marshall Harland says in Descent that 520 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.880 our constitution is colored blind and neither knows nor tolerates classes amongst citizens. And 521 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.360 he goes on the you know, the the least is the greatest, and 522 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:36.199 so on. And we've talked before, We've even talked with you about this, 523 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.480 John, and Steve was shocked that you agreed with us. He didn't 524 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:42.880 think you were that smart, but I knew you were. Uh wait, 525 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:49.480 wait, wait a second, Well I agree with you guys that education did 526 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.559 not in fact overturned Josie. It upheld plus he in the fundamental principle sense 527 00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:01.599 whereby it found that it was the psychological harm done by segregation that was the 528 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.440 problem. Just like in Plessy, they found that the psychological harm done by 529 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:15.079 segregation was basically, you know, not their problem. Different different psychology. 530 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.159 They had better psych psychological knowledge by the time Brown came round. But what 531 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.280 Brown never did, of course, was embraced the idea of a colorblind constitution. 532 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:30.039 And so when Katangi says there is no it's a myth of a colorblind 533 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.360 society, in some ways she's very right. It's never been the opinion of 534 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:39.800 the Supreme Court that we have a color blind constitution demanding a colorblind society. 535 00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.519 Can I interrupt just for one sentence? I think, I think it's Brennan 536 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.239 who has a line in his concurrence or whatever the hell it was in Baki 537 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:52.119 saying we have never recognized a color blind constitution. And then as footnote, 538 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:55.920 by the way, is c Korey matsu vi us. Boy, isn't that 539 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.519 a charming precedent for him to involve? But yeah, I mean this has 540 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.840 been what you're right. What Jackson said is not a departure from what has 541 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.840 been the left legal orthodoxy on this. But just to point out one embarrassing 542 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.480 thing. It was in the Wall Street Journal today, But I remember reading 543 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:15.039 thinking this at the time of when I read Justice Jackson's Descent, where she 544 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:20.159 makes a big deal about how we're soft blocks are than white's because of structural 545 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:24.320 racism. And one thing she said was for high risk black newborns, having 546 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:30.000 a black physician more than doubles the likelihood that the baby will live. Then 547 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:35.480 the Wall Street Journal points out today that's statistically impossible, since the actual survival 548 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.400 rate is ninety nine percent already. So does that mean that actually now they 549 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.639 double to one hundred and ninety eight percent. Yeah, well she doesn't know 550 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.800 what math is, so right, but you made they make the point that 551 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.400 both all these descents in these cases are riddled with factual errors, claims that 552 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:59.800 aren't true because they were so incensed that they were I mean, I'm embar 553 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.440 est. Actually it just happened. But it's all you know, it's a 554 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:07.599 tribal thing that you know, supporting her in this, But never forget that 555 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:14.320 had there not been separate but equal essentially upheld if you ask me, in 556 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:19.599 Brown versus Board of Education, as long as it does not have that psychological 557 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.840 impact, it's perfectly. Okay, to separate on the basis of race, 558 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:30.079 you couldn't have affirmative action, and you couldn't have an idiot like Catange as 559 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.000 a Supreme Court justice because a she never would have gotten into an Ivy League 560 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.880 university, she never would have gotten a clerkship. She didn't earn it despite 561 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.840 discrimination like our friend john you did, and she wouldn't be on the damn 562 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.960 United States Supreme Court, never mind if the rest of it was untrue. 563 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.239 We know what Biden said. She's put on the court for one reason, 564 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.960 and one reason only because she's a black woman. And it's not because she 565 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.639 has any great talent. It's not because she's smart, it's not because she's 566 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:02.079 done anything exceptional in the in the world of law or constitutional law. It's 567 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:07.199 because she's a black woman, which is exactly what Brown versus Board of Education 568 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:13.000 did following plus e versus Ferguson. Okay, separate but equal. You know 569 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.159 what if you're if you're a black woman right now, that's who we prefer. 570 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.559 So you get to be on the Supreme Court. And it's not a 571 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.519 question of merit. So what I think, Johnny, you say, what 572 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.840 what's likely to happen down the road is I think it's going to depend not 573 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.280 merely on the legal enforcement and follow ups like you've had after Brown, but 574 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:34.239 I think there's now going to be a long running political conflict that will play 575 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.159 out in all the branches over uh you know this concept, I mean it 576 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.920 really it could. It could. We could use a Harvey Mansfield's old echotomy 577 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.639 they've had for forty years, which is entitlement versus equality of opportunity. A 578 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.280 lot of our racial politics is simply a version of the entitlement mentality. That's 579 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.880 Chris Caldwell's thesis in his book on the Age of Entitlement. And so we're 580 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.920 going to see, you know, I'll give you one good example. Um, 581 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.480 there's some people saying saying that if Republicans get the White House in Congress, 582 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.119 they should pass a statute that would be enforcement statute like the Civil Rights 583 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.800 Act was that would deny federal funding to any universities that what, I don't 584 00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:19.199 know, trying to evade the Harvard decision through some subterfuges. Right, maybe 585 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.679 the dispred you know, disperate impact might be the screen. I'm not sure, 586 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.239 but I think things like that or what sorry, go ahead. John 587 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.519 gave a really good explanation last time for the ways they get around it. 588 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.760 Yeah, no, understand. But that's why I say this is a political 589 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:37.280 struggle where other branches are going to have to wait. And I think you 590 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.480 know, the one of the first things Biden did on day one was canceled 591 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:46.320 the Justice Department's investigation into Yale's admission mission's policies because the suspicion was if you 592 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:50.440 did discovery of Yale, you'd find all the same things that we found in 593 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.719 the Harvard case. Well, let's reopen that. That's not a dead issue 594 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.039 yet. The latest thing I read in the New York Times here this week 595 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:02.239 was well, universities are going to look at adversity scores and adversity screens, 596 00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:07.679 do you know philanthropy and that would be on its face race neutral, and 597 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.000 maybe it would be in some ways, but you know, let's I mean, 598 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.320 look, we know the guys. Guys. Let me ask you this 599 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.559 one that comes up. What about getting rid of legacy? I think you've 600 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:23.800 seen that now, you know, um minority groups are suing Harvard now saying 601 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:29.960 that legacy preferences and emissions is unconstitutional or illegal. What do you think of 602 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.079 that, Steve, because you have to. You have to Actually, I'm 603 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:36.480 sorry, just give a little bit more explanation for that. The reason they 604 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:43.519 are arguing that they need to be ruled to be unconstitutional is because they are 605 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:50.159 convinced that any legacy admission has to benefit white people. Because a only white 606 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.719 people already went to Harvard and other Ivy League university So if they if their 607 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:59.159 legacy and rule is because you know, their family went there. But also 608 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:06.599 because there are no donors to Ivy League universities that are wealthy minorities, They're 609 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:14.119 all wealthy white people, and so legacy admissions by definition only advantage white people, 610 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.199 which is you know that I'd have to see some data on that. 611 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:21.039 I guess, well, I think that I think the data does show that 612 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:25.320 the whites benefit much more than any of it because you're smart. Surprise, 613 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.599 you're too smart to give any money to Harvard drawing, Well, it's part 614 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.760 what about the stigma? What about the stigma and these port legacies everyone is 615 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.239 sees are stupid and rich, which often is true, right, Well that 616 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:45.880 I've seen conflicting data about this, But I do I think that the getting 617 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.239 Oh, by the way, that's one of the ideas Republicans should sponsor bills 618 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.440 saying no federal aid to universities a practice legacy admissions. So that'd be fun 619 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.679 because the people who are going to defend this, we're going to be the 620 00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.440 universities for their fundraising reasons. And the left, the left of the people 621 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.199 are going to draw the line is not going to be a I love the 622 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.400 way the left thinks it's conservatives are behind defending legacy admissions. It's not us 623 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:12.280 at all. And yeah, and you know that, and it joins, 624 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.119 of course, the issue I think we mentioned last week, which is Harvard 625 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.719 Princeton. Yeah, they're so rich they could they could double the size of 626 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.559 their student bodies and attract the top faculty and still get the top one percent 627 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.480 of students. They won't do it at all. Are they rich enough? 628 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:29.920 I'm sorry, let me just ask a question, booth you are they rich 629 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.360 enough to say, okay, we'll stop legacy admissions. We'll stop legacy admissions 630 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:39.639 for big donors. I remember Conan O'Brien years ago. Conan remember a Harvard 631 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:44.079 graduate. He had been editor of the Harvard Lampoon, and he said that 632 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:45.639 one of his shows, I remember this twenty five years ago. I said, 633 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.360 Yeah, the Harvard fundraisers. They call you up and their pitch essentially 634 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.559 is, we're Harvard, we want your money. We don't need it, 635 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:59.760 we just want it. So I think he Actually, here's one point about 636 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:06.039 what universities could do. The only reason Harvard is subject to the Constitution and 637 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.880 the civil rights is because they take federal money. Right, They're so rich 638 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:14.039 they could easily go back to discriminating on the basis of race if they wanted 639 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.360 to, just by saying we don't need federal dollars anymore. So here, 640 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.320 let me just give you a sense of the figures we're talking about here. 641 00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:27.840 So Harvard, Harvard's endowment is fifty three billion dollars. Yeah, Yales is 642 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:32.800 forty two billion dollars. Number three, Stanford thirty seven billion dollars, Princeton 643 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:39.800 thirty seven billion, MIT twenty seven. So they're richer than some small countries 644 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.800 in Africa. Well, the joke about Harvard, as you know, is 645 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:49.000 it's a hedge fund that runs a little educational institution on the side. Do 646 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.039 you think I mean, look, I'm all for that, you know, 647 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:57.599 make Harvard do what Hillsdale did However, one difficulty is, and I've heard 648 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.039 this is they couldn't do that, not so much because of the money, 649 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.320 but because they have so many research contracts connected the federal government that Hillsdale doesn't 650 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.920 do, for example, and that would still expose them to the conforming with 651 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.800 civil rights laws. And I think, I hate to say this about you 652 00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:17.119 guys, but sounds like Lucretia and Steve have volunteered to work in the decantist 653 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:22.280 Education department starting twenty twenty five. And the first thing they can do, 654 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.719 and this is an easy thing, they could just have the Secretary of Education. 655 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:30.079 Maybe who would such a secretary? Larry Arne, the president Hounsdale, 656 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:36.960 just say I find that all these universities are in fact discriminating on the basis 657 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.519 of race. So I cut them all off from federal funding, and they 658 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:44.079 have to prove to me that they are not discriminating on the basis of race 659 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:50.280 for this spigot to open again. Yeah. Can I just at a little 660 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.199 bit of a different perspective on this. I think that the more important thing, 661 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:59.480 honestly than even getting rid of discrimination based upon race, because as from 662 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.360 a principle point of view, it's the very worst kind of thing from the 663 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:07.599 principal point of view, the idea that this minority who might be let's say 664 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:14.320 Asian and Maile should have to be denied to make a slot for a black 665 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:19.920 woman. Let's say as an example that you know, there's something really offensive 666 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.840 about that, and I'm glad the Supreme Court said we're not going to do 667 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.320 that anymore. However, what would really in answer your to your question from 668 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.199 a little while ago, what would really make a difference, what would really 669 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:37.480 have an impact in the future, would be redefining the whole concept of diversity, 670 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:45.519 to take race completely out of it and thereby completely undo the diversity inclusion 671 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:52.360 and equity regime and make all of that illegitimate, make all of it illegitimate 672 00:51:52.719 --> 00:52:00.400 in the sense that we don't need inclusion, because it doesn't mean that we 673 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:07.880 don't need equity. We need equality of opportunity. And if this opinion simply, 674 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:13.719 you know, gets Harvard and others to hide their despicable admissions practices in 675 00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:19.199 ways that can't be detected as easily, but they keep the diversity, inclusion 676 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:23.679 and equity regime and they grow it, then I think that the decision becomes 677 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:28.599 worthless. Never mind how well it's executed, If that makes sense. I 678 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.159 don't know, what do you guys think? Oh, no, I agree, 679 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:35.199 I agree with you. I think that I'd like to think that we've 680 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.400 hit the high water mark of the diversity mania and that the Harvard case is 681 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.639 going to now provide a lot of ammunition for people to sue. And I 682 00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.519 think the next wave of lawsuits are going to be against institutions that use TEI 683 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.119 in there and going to be an ammunition for the Lucretias of the world to 684 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.719 look at somebody when they start, you know, mouthing blah blah blah blah 685 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.960 diversity saying, tell me why diversity is important again, Yeah, because I'm 686 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.320 not as sure a single person can give you an answer. We know the 687 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.599 court demanded an answer and didn't get one, So I'm sure that the idiots 688 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.239 who work in the die regime can't give an answer. They just assume it 689 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:16.239 is a good Remember the whole discussion, your friend, that the calling of 690 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:22.000 the American Yeah, and he and I told you Steve. I was a 691 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:30.199 little bit disappointed in him because he quit whatever damn organization association he was a 692 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:37.079 product of, because he refused to say that academic freedom should take first place 693 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:42.760 in front of diversity. Yeah, all he was willing to say was diversity 694 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.559 is important too, but it shouldn't be more important than academic freedom. And 695 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.480 I guess you know, in today's academia, I shouldn't be so tough on 696 00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:55.039 him. But when we get to the point where nobody argues that diversity is 697 00:53:55.079 --> 00:54:00.199 a goal, an end, a T los above all T los in and 698 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:05.280 of itself, then I'll be happy about the Harvard completely happy about the Harvard 699 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.360 decision. I'm already happy. But that's just my thought because you guys know 700 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:14.000 what it's like. How many diversities ares do you know at your university? 701 00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:19.079 How many provos? How many? It's a big place where we're at, 702 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:25.519 and if they're easy to avoid, that's a happy thing about Berkeley. So 703 00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.559 let's turn to the I think the last topic we have, which is we 704 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:36.840 shouldn't end the show without observing that this week was July fourth, and of 705 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:42.480 course the holiday where we remember the founding of the country and the issuing of 706 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.000 the Declaration of independence. So I thought i'd ask one or two questions of 707 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:52.679 our resident scholars of the revolution. End of all things natural, natural, 708 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:58.920 law, natural rights, and Jefferson's famous quotes and the Declaration of Independence. 709 00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:06.000 So, guys, one question that always strikes me when I teach about the 710 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:14.199 founding is, we're the revolutionaries nuts. We were ready, ready living in 711 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.599 the freest part maybe place in the world at the time. Right, if 712 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.800 they have the rights of englishmen and englishwomen. They are lightly governed from London. 713 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:29.559 They've basically been governing themselves for hundred years or more in that with their 714 00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:35.320 assemblies, they're separated by an ocean from all the disorder of Europe. They 715 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.599 have endless quantities of the source of wealth in the old world, which is 716 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:44.159 land. I would say, what was wrong with them? They were already 717 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:49.880 the freest, most well off people maybe in the history of the world, 718 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.440 and yet they had a revolution. What was wrong with them? Really? 719 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:57.239 Good question, John, Actually really is a good question. I just had 720 00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.960 a long discussion with students about this yesterday. I believe it or not. 721 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:04.320 Here's the point, Jefferson, whom you told us at the beginning you do 722 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.880 not like. But Jefferson actually provides, I think, what is the clearest 723 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:13.480 answer to that question. Prudence indeed will dictate that government's long establish should not 724 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:17.239 be changed for light and transient causes. What he's trying to say there underneath, 725 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.320 I think is a little bit about it reminds us of your other, 726 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:27.639 of your favorite Hamilton, what Hamilton says. You know, it's it's frequently 727 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.119 remarked that it seems to have been reserved to the people of this country to 728 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:35.559 decide by their conduct. An example, the important question whether societies of men 729 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:39.760 are really capable or not of establishing good government upon reflection and choice, or 730 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:46.079 whether they're forever destined to depend for their political constitutions upon accident force the people 731 00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.840 of this country. So when we look at the situation that the colonists who 732 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.000 are in with respect to Great Britain, when we read the Bill of Particulars 733 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:59.760 in the Declaration of Independence, the first thing that comes to mind, and 734 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:04.920 me when I do so currently, is that we are so much worse off, 735 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.280 so much worse off, at the hands of our government than they were 736 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:13.760 their list of complaints against King George in Parliament. But the other side of 737 00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.920 it, the other side of the prudential question, is do you have the 738 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:24.079 ability if you decide to revolt, if you decide to separate yourselves, establishing 739 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.239 do you have the ability to make it work, as Hamilton talks about very 740 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:37.960 specifically in the first Federalist paper. We've seen subsequently places like Iraq. I'll 741 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:43.679 just use that example, who wanted to have something very much like an American 742 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:49.400 constitution, but they didn't have the same set of conditions that would make self 743 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:55.039 government possible and likely to succeed that the colonists did with all of their advantages 744 00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:01.119 that you pointed out back in seventeen seventy six. So even though we wouldn't 745 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.039 call it such a terrible situation, they also had great advantages to take that 746 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.639 situation and turn it into something truly spectacular. That's probably would be my answer 747 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.679 to your question, which does make a lot of sense. You know, 748 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:19.719 and students ask me today, well, why aren't we revolting? Our situation 749 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:23.039 is worse? Yeah, So this is what I do agree with, that 750 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:28.920 provocative thought that actually things are worse now. Yeah, well you were at 751 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.239 the time in seventeen seventy six. Well, see, here's the thing, 752 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:36.360 John, is that you make the case that I remember William F. Buckley 753 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:40.679 saying this that the colonists were revolting against what today we would consider mere bureaucratic 754 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:44.960 inconveniences, and I think he's wrong about that, as you are, and 755 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.239 the way you frame the question, so you know, lucretition. I usually 756 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.199 refer to a sort of the deeper natural law teachings of the first couple of 757 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.039 paragraphs of the Declaration and the Council of Prudence. But here's one case where 758 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.239 you really need to go to the Bill of Particulars against the King, although 759 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.960 they really against Parliament. That's but that's a living aside for the moment. 760 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.400 And you know, he's case canceling legislatures. He's canceling laws. The judges 761 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:15.119 he makes personally accountable to him. My favorite it's paragraph thirteen, I number 762 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:19.960 the paragraphs for students. My favorite of all the charges against the British government 763 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:25.760 is this one. He has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither 764 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:32.719 swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. Is a 765 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.440 description of government today, right, And I mean, you go on, 766 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.880 but you know, one of the arguments was he you know, he's trashing 767 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:45.000 local jurisdictions. He's dragging people to far flung locations to have their cases heard 768 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.000 away from a jury of their peers. You know he's he's producing trial by 769 00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.559 jury. Well, boy, that happens all the time these days with bureaucratic 770 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.960 procedures. You know, Hillsdale College day sue the federal government, it was 771 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.199 US forty years ago now against the partner of education. Where's the case heard 772 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:06.480 in Denver, you know, a Michigan college against the Washington bureaucracy, or 773 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.639 we're going to hear your case in Denver before an administrative law judge. Right, 774 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:14.760 So no, I think those So leave aside the principles that are so 775 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:19.440 important at the beginning and actually read the Billow particulars and see if that isn't 776 01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:22.960 a template that's easily updated to modern times today. So no, they were 777 01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.480 not radicals at all. But the other side of the question, Steve, 778 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:31.079 I would ask you for your opinion, which is, are we in the 779 01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:36.679 same position that he thought we were in Federalist number one? Where if we 780 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:42.880 can't, I mean can if anybody can take that great experiment and make it 781 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:46.800 work for all the reasons that you know, we know, the tradition of 782 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:52.519 self government, the virtue of the people, the homogeneity whatever whatever, can 783 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:54.960 are we in a better position today? Let's say, if we decided to 784 01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:00.079 have an Article five convention, would we come out better be better off? 785 01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:05.960 I do think I stand by my point, John, I guess Steve was 786 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:12.480 actually confirming that that if you look at the Bill of particulars our situation as 787 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:17.599 much much worse today in really some fundamental ways. And does that mean, 788 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:24.239 however, that not only should we exercise our duty to overthrow the government, 789 01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:30.000 but will will we be able to institute new government that will affect our safety 790 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.480 and happiness? And that's of course a real question. Well, I like 791 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.320 I want to grab hold of your question about if we actually had an Article 792 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.840 five convention today, how might that go? I also drop back a little 793 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.559 bit. I have a bit of a sense of foreboding at the moment. 794 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:46.599 So on the one hand, you know, I have for several years now, 795 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:50.760 I'm in this you know, sort of rural not semi rural part of 796 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:54.199 California, still on the coast, and for several I've been going to local 797 01:01:54.239 --> 01:02:00.159 Fourth of July afternoon celebrations for several years, and this year it seemed bigger 798 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:05.280 and more robust and happier and more people than it has been for several years. 799 01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.719 Part of that's coming out of COVID. Although these the areas where I 800 01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.320 live, people didn't pay much attention to the COVID restrictions. On the other 801 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:15.519 hand, I remember, okay, we're three years off from the Quinn what 802 01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.199 is it the Quinn Centennial, the two hundred fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration. 803 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.960 We're three years away from them. I remember the two hundredth anniversary forty seven 804 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:30.480 years ago. In nineteen seventy six, the big observance in the big spectacular 805 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:36.199 New York was the tall ships with their rigging, sailing into up the Hudson 806 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.559 there up to Manhattan. And of course that was supposed to symbolize you know, 807 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:43.239 colonials, you know, the colonists coming to settle and found this new 808 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.960 great country, and maybe a little bit of the marshal virtues of the navy 809 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:50.480 that defended us the revolution in all those years. And I was reading what 810 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.280 the left was saying about July four this year, and I don't need to 811 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.440 tell you what they were saying. And I've got to thinking, I'm going 812 01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:59.840 to plant this as a marker right here. I predict that three years from 813 01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:02.960 now, if there's a spectacular in New York it will not features tall ships. 814 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.559 It's going to be featuring slave ships. And we're gonna get the sixteen 815 01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.000 nineteen project Bison Quinn Centennial. And that to me is one of the big 816 01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:14.760 political fights, you know, as a cultural matter of the next few years. 817 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.360 And that bears on your question of and lucretia, your question of you 818 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:21.159 know, do we still hold these truths to be self evident, etcetera, 819 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:25.559 etcetera. Gosh, I think you guys are a little bit out there for 820 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:30.320 me on this one, this talk of having a revolution or even an Article 821 01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:36.039 five. So I take your point. You guys think that today is worse 822 01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.920 than then, But we're not having a revolution now. So that's why it 823 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:44.400 makes me ask did they go too far having a revolution? Then? Well, 824 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.280 are taking the opposite of what you said they had a revolution? Then 825 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:57.599 on the you're the angle the Anglo I am an Anglo folk would be would 826 01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:01.280 be English colony still well, actually I always was always You know whatn't the 827 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.559 history of the world been much better if the United States and England had been 828 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:10.880 combined all these years? They never Germany never would have gotten out of hand, 829 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.440 It would be peaceful. Anglo American had gemony in the world this last 830 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.360 three hundred years. So I actually had a debate back and forth with one 831 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:25.199 of the commenters on Steve's Midweekend Pictures fourth of July edition, because one of 832 01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:30.480 his memes said something like, you know, happy fourth of July, nothing 833 01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.760 of importance happened before this day or something Africa exactly what it was. And 834 01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:38.039 so somebody wrote and said, no, no, no, that's not true. 835 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:43.320 Magna carta, while they said money twelve fifteen. And so I got 836 01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:45.239 into this discussion. I said, absolutely not. You know, Magna Carta 837 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:50.639 is nothing, nothing compared to what happened in seventeen seventy six, because Magna 838 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:57.760 Carta was simply, as Hamilton tells us in Federalist eighty four, a king 839 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:02.079 John held its sword point and demanded that he relinquished some of his prerogative, 840 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:09.840 some of his divine right of king's prerogative, that right and only a certain 841 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:14.039 classes of people, not to certain nobles who held them at dunpoint. That 842 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:17.079 that is not a precursor to what happens in seventeen seventy six, which is 843 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:24.360 the first and only time that there is a recognition that all political sovereignty comes 844 01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:28.679 from the people, and it comes from the people because of their fundamental human 845 01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:34.400 equality, because they there is no natural ruler appointed by God or nature over 846 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:38.679 them, and therefore their their own rulers. That's why they get to choose 847 01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:42.280 their government. And according to Jefferson, they get to choose their government that 848 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:46.159 will that will be most like to affect their safety and happiness. End the 849 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:53.239 alpha and omega under Aristotle of political life is what I thought you guys were 850 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:58.119 going to say, is that that's why the revolution is about ideas. It's 851 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:02.719 an intellectual revolution almost not a material revolution, because the mcntire you know, 852 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:09.239 the other revolutions French, Russian, Chinese, they arise because of material deprivation. 853 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:15.639 Right, there's extremely more countries terribly oppressed. The American Revolution occurs during 854 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:20.400 a time of relative prosperity and freedom, which makes me think that it has 855 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:26.840 nothing to do with material conditions. It's about the intellectual ideas. That's what 856 01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:30.920 causes the revolution. I didn't think you guys are going to turn this into 857 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.519 we ought to have a revolution. Now. Well, now I didn't say 858 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:38.440 that, I mean Lucretia did well. Actually, I've just I would just 859 01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.280 argue, don't you ever give up your guns just in case. Well, 860 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:43.320 now, it was just about to say we ought to, by the way, 861 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.719 to a segment not tonight on an Article five condensed subject, because that's 862 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:47.920 kind of fun. But yeah, that'll be fun. But look at Balant. 863 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:49.960 I mean, you could do an extensive balance sheet. On the one 864 01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.920 hand, I'll just mentioned two things. On the one hand, thanks to 865 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:58.760 the recent Supreme Court our gun rights are pretty secure and Americans are well armed. 866 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.519 And I find it amused when the right Americans are well right, you 867 01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:04.480 know, Joe Biden's as well. You couldn't. What's really pretty useless. 868 01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:09.920 It's only an argument if you don't have an F sixteen. And that's where 869 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:14.679 I had a mean a few weeks ago of a Vietnamese peasant smiling. Right. 870 01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:21.480 But then on the other hand, again, we continue to see the 871 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:26.559 population in the country sorting itself out between red and blue states, and the 872 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:31.440 red states are gaining in population economics. But do you realize it, California 873 01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:35.559 right now, it looks like California could lose five congressional seats after the next 874 01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:40.559 census, which is just mind blowing, right, And and so what that 875 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:44.639 represents is I don't know whether it would lead to an actual formal secession or 876 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:46.960 splitting up of the country, but it's going to mean culturally that way you're 877 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.679 gonna see. Uh, well, all right, I'll end the red blue 878 01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:54.559 state thing. That's pretty obvious to most people. Um and but I still 879 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:58.400 think these cultural battles are going to rage on. Uh and the you know, 880 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:00.119 two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of that coloration is going to be a big 881 01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.559 moment for how that plays out. Yeah. By the way, just the 882 01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:09.880 weird radio just a few months ago, John, you were saying, Oh, 883 01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:12.320 you guys are really monarchist, aren't you. You love the king and 884 01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:15.960 I know you guys, that's what you guys are. You guys are like 885 01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.399 you want to have you want to have a revolution, but yeah, I 886 01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:24.920 want to have you still don't have King Charles around two. Okay, we've 887 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:29.479 gone way over time, so um we have. We have been off and 888 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:32.720 on doing our feature at the end about recommending books. So I thought, 889 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:39.680 in uh honor July fourth, we might um ask each of you, Lucretian 890 01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.880 Steve, what is your favorite book about the American Revolution that you would recommend 891 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:47.159 to listeners to pick up. Yeah, I thought you were gonna ask about 892 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:51.720 the Declaration Independence and that's okay, or the Declaration or the Declaration Declaration. 893 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:55.800 So I say, I'm not a fan of We'll do the clear Day. 894 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.359 I'm not a fan of Gordon Woods book, which you list as a book 895 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.000 you're not supposed to read in your politically and correct guide of the Supreme Court, 896 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:04.520 that we'll come back to in a couple of weeks. I actually think 897 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:08.119 that the see what the creation thinks I mean here. I think there's three 898 01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:12.039 good books on the Declaration I can recommend. In some respects. The best 899 01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:16.079 one still is Carl Becker's book from nineteen twenty two called The Declaration of Independence. 900 01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:19.520 Although it has a major flaw in it, but it traces out, 901 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.439 you know, the Lockey and roots very well. It's a very competent work 902 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:28.000 of intellectual history leading up the Declaration. The problem with the book is he 903 01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:31.159 says towards the end, and I can quote him here, Professor Jaffa brought 904 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:35.920 this to our attention over and over again. He was a modern progressive historicist, 905 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:41.319 but he said at the end of the book quote him here to ask 906 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:45.520 whether the natural rights philosophy of the Declaration of Independence is true or false is 907 01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:50.000 essentially a meaningless question. And he goes on from there to say, essentially 908 01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:54.039 that's because Hegel was right, and progress moves us on to new things. 909 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:57.479 Now. The funny thing is the books out in nineteen twenty two, sort 910 01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:01.359 of the peak of progressive intellectual life. He published a new edition in the 911 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:04.800 fall of nineteen forty one. So the war in Europe is going on. 912 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:09.560 We're not yet in it, but it's close, right, And he takes 913 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.840 it all back, and I'll just quote two sentences from it, and this 914 01:10:13.039 --> 01:10:15.560 new forward to the forty one edition. He says, and maybe thought that 915 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:19.359 just now, when political freedom is in retreat everywhere, I'll shorteness a little 916 01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:24.720 bit, maybe we need to be interested once again and the political principles of 917 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:29.359 the Declaration of Independence. And he says, certainly, recent events throughout the 918 01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:33.560 world have aroused an unwanted attention to the immemorial problem of human liberty. And 919 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:39.680 he says, men everywhere will want to reappraise the validity of half forgotten ideas. 920 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.159 You know my question, why are they half forgotten ideas well? Because 921 01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:46.560 of people in the progressive movement like you. Aside from that very important problem, 922 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:50.680 it's maybe the best book on the intellectual origins of declaration. And there's 923 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:54.479 a couple of modern books I like, but you're not so sure, Lucretia, 924 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:59.439 And I'd rather read Lincoln any day of the week. Well, okay, 925 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.800 I mean a lot more about the Declaration of Independence from reading Lincoln, 926 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:04.880 who said, I know this is a famous quote, but I'm going to 927 01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:09.520 throw it at you anyway, All honor to Jefferson. I know you don't 928 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:15.359 like him, John Jefferson, to the man who, in the concrete pressure 929 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:20.800 of a struggle for national independence by a single people, had the coolness forecast 930 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:29.680 in a capacity to introduce into a merely revolutionary document an abstract truth applicable to 931 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:32.680 all men at all times, and so to invom it there that today, 932 01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:36.399 in an all coming days, it shall be a rebuke and a stumbling block 933 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:44.079 to the very harbingers of reappearing tyranny and oppression. Yeah, that's the most 934 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:46.119 important thing you can ever read about the Declaration of Independence, in my opinion. 935 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:51.199 I'd have to tell you guys something funny really quick. So tomorrow there's 936 01:11:51.239 --> 01:12:00.720 at my parish. They have recently restored a very old and very famous pipe 937 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:09.039 organ to its original condition at a great expense, and they're having a concert 938 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:16.439 called Patriotic Pipes, but yours truly Lucretia will be giving a talk about Christianity 939 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:23.960 and the Declaration of Independence tomorrow at the Patriotic Pipes. Can you record that? 940 01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:27.720 Yeah, we'll have to get a recording. Yeah. See, or 941 01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:32.319 if it's written, you can just began all of you got John and by 942 01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:35.920 the way, you know declaration, but go ahead, Oh yeah, he 943 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:40.319 doesn't. So I just turned around to my bookshelf and pulled off two books 944 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.279 that I've had for a long time that I like. And I know you 945 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:46.960 don't like him, but I do like Bernard Balien's ideological origins in the American 946 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.319 Revolution. And I'm opening the copy I have, and I you know, 947 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:56.680 brings memory to mine because it says it has me. I put the date 948 01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:59.720 I bought the book in here. It says November twenty first, nineteen eighty 949 01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:02.039 seven. And on the front of the book there's a price tag. Can 950 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:08.800 you see what the price was back in nineteen eighty seven, Yeah, thirteen 951 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:12.119 dollars and fifty cents where a brand new book, and I have that same 952 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.880 edition, I think probably the same price. Yeah, I think it's the 953 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.600 first edition. Yeah, and then the other book I liked very much. 954 01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:21.399 I mean, so they both come out in the mid nineteen sixties. The 955 01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:27.359 other book I like a lot is Forrest McDonald E Colbos right, Yeah, 956 01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:30.640 it also came out about it. I think it came out in yeah, 957 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:34.199 nineteen sixty five. Also, although this book I have is the Liberty Fund 958 01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:38.279 edition, which is you know, you get for a cost, and it 959 01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:42.760 says I says, I bought that one in nineteen ninety one. So I 960 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:45.520 do like both of these books, but again because they make the revolution, 961 01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:50.000 they explain the revolution as being caused by ideas, and in fact, Forrest 962 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:57.600 McDonald did a great service by destroying Charles Beard's argrect that the Revolution and the 963 01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:01.600 Constitution were just rich plant and slave owners putting one over on the poor. 964 01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:06.960 Isn't that? Doesn't that epitaph do a better? Not that that that Forrest 965 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.640 McDonald doesn't. But you know, if you look at the Declaration of Independence, 966 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.880 for instance, and when they say they uh, they pledged their lives, 967 01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.680 their fortune and their sacred honor, and if you look at what actually 968 01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:20.600 happened to the fifty seven people who signed the declaration, of independence is sad. 969 01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:25.159 I mean many of them gave up everything in one way or another, 970 01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:29.560 lost their homes, lost their farms, right yep. One of the great 971 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:34.079 stories as a Philadelphia and I remember this while is that Benjamin Franklin signed it 972 01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:41.079 and his son was a loyalist and left with the with the British at the 973 01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:43.760 end of the revolution. And they never and never talked to him. Again, 974 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:46.359 you're not talking. You're not mentioning the fact that I accused you guys 975 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:49.439 of being more on the side of William Franklin than you were on the side 976 01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:56.279 of a Whiskey rebellion. So untrue. But oh wellions. So I believe 977 01:14:56.319 --> 01:14:59.920 we should be in a revolution right now, John, So let sign it 978 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.479 both of those books for the Constitution class I had with him. Um. 979 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.079 By the way, the thing about Forest McDonald that you may not know, 980 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:08.720 I knew him a little bit. He was kind of libertarian leaning. He 981 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:13.840 had a farm in Alabama. He liked to plow his field in the nude. 982 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:19.800 He was. He was kind of a nudest libertarian guy. This is 983 01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:26.720 really yeah, that's take takes getting back to nature a little too far. 984 01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:29.840 By the way, if you've never read it. John. His intellectual history 985 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:32.000 of the presidency is very good. Yeah, I'd like that book very much. 986 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:38.359 Actually, so, uh it's time to end, right, so I 987 01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:43.199 will Lucretia, you have a Babylon Bee headline other than the Asians take a 988 01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:48.960 five minute study break to celebrate winning the Harvard case. It's always so so 989 01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:55.279 difficult. Uh, there was a couple. I'm just I'm not even gonna 990 01:15:55.319 --> 01:16:01.800 try to choose. Zuckerberg unveils exciting new social media platform for government censor for 991 01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:08.479 the beginning, we didn't even bring up this subject. Maybe it doesn't even 992 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:13.079 make sense to you. But DC police say they may never discover who left 993 01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:17.319 bag of cocaine labeled property of h Biden at White House. Oh yeah, 994 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:20.199 we didn't talk about that. You're right. Maybe Why do I want to 995 01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:27.039 go watch cocaine bear so badly? Right now? I don't know another one 996 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:31.279 for us? Uh? The Native Ben and Jerry, you know that was 997 01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:36.399 Ben and Jerry are are giving a bud light run for the money. Ben 998 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:42.239 and Jerry announced Native Americans may exchange white Men's Scout for free pint of chunky 999 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:48.479 monkey. All right, I'm done this week. Calmualism of the Week here's 1000 01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:55.520 colmalist quote. Culture is it is a reflection of our moment and our time 1001 01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:59.640 right and present. Culture is the way we express how we're feeling about the 1002 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.640 moment. She would always find times to express how we feel about the moment. 1003 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:10.439 Keep. I wish people could see the clip because she looks so serious 1004 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:23.000 when she's see Oh man quoted her and seriously as brilliant. Yeah, yes, 1005 01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:30.239 so we will. Let's close out with always drink your whiskey, neat, 1006 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:36.720 Let's go Brandon and Steve. The closing from our president is, oh 1007 01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:42.079 God saved the queen Man. That's right. Keep good night, everybody, 1008 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:49.319 good night, everybody see you next week, next week, Nay, I 1009 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:54.760 don't, but see me and then you won't. 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