WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.160 Deal is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you now and 2 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:17.440 now aggivated and of media thirteenth day of March twenty twenty four, allegedly according 3 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:21.079 to that thing we call a calendar, and this is the O'Kelly effect. 4 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:25.559 So look, it's Wednesday, Wednesday, middle of the week. I am 5 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:29.280 on at an unusual time if you're on the live stream, because it's about 6 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:35.240 quarter after four pm Eastern. Now why did I do this a little extra 7 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:40.520 here stopping checking in with our friend Ed Opperman Opperman Report. I mean, 8 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.000 you know, look, it's been around a long time. You're not aware 9 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.399 of it? Opperman Report dot com. How do I help you with this? 10 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.200 You can go to the patreon. 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But yeah, anyway, there'll be a link in with the 28 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:53.359 show notes, so you'll be able to go over there sign up, check 29 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:59.000 it out for yourself obviously, and recently, look, I'm always getting notices 30 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:02.640 and the emails on it, So let's start there. Today. Just before 31 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:07.200 airtime, when I was getting myself together, Uh, you had something on 32 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.280 on Kennedy there which I was a little surprised at, and a little bit 33 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.479 of a rant came along with that email. Uh, you know, the 34 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:17.960 whole why the hell does it matter that Kennedy was assassinated? Oops, that's 35 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:23.159 Noam Chomsky again. Uh you know who cares people die all the time, 36 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.840 It says Noam Chomsky. I'm paraphrasing, but what why does it matter? 37 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.879 You had a guest on recently and apparently released it on Patreon. So what's 38 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:37.719 that all about? Ah? You talking about Lorenz Gueno the Unspoken Kennedy Truth? 39 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.599 Yeah. I was interested to him to some folks in the Vince Foster 40 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:49.080 investigation, and he's has this theory that Israel was behind the assassination. So 41 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:55.360 you know, I had him on the shows. Well, okay, look, 42 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.719 I haven't listened to it yet, and I'm not into the whole masade 43 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.960 did it? You know? Angle? But anyway, it is interesting that 44 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:07.039 somebody even wants to talk about why it matters sixty years later. I mean, 45 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:10.840 that was the big question during the sixtieth anniversary this year when I was 46 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:15.439 involved in a few things. I did the Coast to Coast am special this 47 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:20.599 year and ended up doing Clyde Lewis's show on the anniversary, just to explain 48 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.439 to people again why it still matters. You know, and it's amazing how 49 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:29.199 this has become a generational affair. I mean, not as far apart. 50 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:34.039 I also ended up getting John gold substack just before airtime talking about you know, 51 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.919 was the nine to eleven commission bribed? Are there many questions open? 52 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:42.159 And well, how do you define bribery? But let's not go there exactly 53 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.639 today. Let's stick with the Kennedy thing. Regardless of whether it's the Masade 54 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:50.840 involved or not. There are way too many open questions in a long standing 55 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.919 murder investigation, and indeed, it did change the trajectory of the country one 56 00:03:54.919 --> 00:04:00.120 way or another, so you know, it does matter, and not just 57 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:04.360 as an academic exercise anyway. I'm just interested that you're still visiting that topic, 58 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:08.319 and I'm happy you do. But you've got some other stuff going on 59 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.319 of interest, and in fact, you started talking to me about something. 60 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.120 Ah, here we go, and I hate doing it. But the Trump 61 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.720 cases, the Trump Court cases, and you and I still have a bet 62 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:26.279 as to whether he'll be convicted over anything at all, because I stand by 63 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.600 the idea that the guy is going to slither out of everything. Whether he's 64 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:35.000 rightfully or wrongfully guilty is irrelevant. He's meant to be reinstalled. I think 65 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:40.319 he's going to get and he has absolutely shown up and not shown up at 66 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:45.519 the primaries here seems to have secured the nomination for the GOP. I don't 67 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.360 think that the indictments, court cases and all this are hurting him in any 68 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:53.879 way, shape or form. In fact, they're bolstering support, giving him 69 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.920 fundraising opportunities, etc. Etc. But you might have an idea a little 70 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.879 different, not necessarily like from the regular contrarian point of view, but you 71 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:08.439 might actually know some people involved in some of the cases and might have a 72 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:13.000 different idea about how he might actually face some sort of consequence here along the 73 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.199 way. I mean outside of the Eging Carol settlement allegedly, which I doubt 74 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:20.920 he'll ever pay a penny of anyway. You know what about it? He 75 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:27.240 has to well, unless this Chubb subsidiary declares bankruptcy. He has to because 76 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.480 he's put up the bond for us. He's already paid it for the appeal. 77 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:32.920 Well, he put up the barn. When you put when you put 78 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.680 up an appeal upond it that means that I'm putting the money up if I 79 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:39.639 lose this appeal. She just goes right into that appeal but and takes that 80 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.319 money. So he's already paid that money. And by the way, to 81 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:48.319 you only get thirteen percent. There's only u Your odds of overturning or modifying 82 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:54.360 a verdict on appeal a civil cases only thirteen percent. And that's if you 83 00:05:54.399 --> 00:06:00.160 have a really good legal team that's establishing error reversible error throughout and making the 84 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.759 the objections and establishing a record that her which didn't happen in this case. 85 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:10.199 This little team is incompetent debate switcher from what I've said and again killed all 86 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:14.000 over the was I'm saying he might not get related because I think there's a 87 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:18.720 good chance he could Biden's any better. But the thing is with this uh 88 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.959 New York State Stormy Daniels case, like you said, I got a call 89 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.639 the clients and the Genoa. Rodriguez is a former client. She was my 90 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.360 Asian. She was the agent for Stormy Daniels. She was enviroving at Tarbood 91 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:33.519 stuff. She was involved in reenergate a lot of stuff, and she put 92 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.079 together the Stormy. She was the as for storming in. She put together 93 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:44.680 playoff it robs on Mama June Hot for not the TV show Discovery, whatever 94 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.920 that was. So she's on this reality TV show with Honey Boo Boo's mom, 95 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:54.279 Mama June, while they're negotiating this this shakedown of Trump over here. 96 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.680 And then the attorney who was the original attorney, Keith Davidson has been my 97 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.720 client for years. A sponsored by show Keith Davidson, the km to Law. 98 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.680 He starts to find two against Trump Dare. He's the original attorney who 99 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:10.120 cut the deal and then advised Michael Avenatti not to try and attempt to malpractice 100 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:14.199 and go back for more money because you're gonna lose. And Alvinatti had listened 101 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.000 back then, he wasn't be in prison today. Another story. I think 102 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:21.079 you got Dylan Howard from Ann formerly am I, who were for National Choir, 103 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.639 who was part of this deal. So as well who's testifying against Trump. 104 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:29.160 So yeah, I know several people testifying against this case, and I 105 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:31.160 think they got a solid case. And Cohen already lost this case. He 106 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.560 pled guilty to this in the federal court and he was just down there today 107 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:40.279 preparing his testimony. So I think it's a really good conviction in this case. 108 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:45.279 So you think in this case we're looking at a possible actual conviction. 109 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.240 And then this E. G. And Carroll thing though with the bond and 110 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.439 the Chubb. That's also really weird to me that Chubb is putting up that 111 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:57.800 money because you know, unless my memory is fuzzy on this, I mean, 112 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.480 aren't they the people that used to do a lot of like sponsorships of 113 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.560 you know, public broadcasting. You'd see them constantly. Uh, you know, 114 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.560 the Chubb Corporation for a grant from the Chub Corporation, right, Uh, 115 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:09.959 you know, I I believe it might be the same Chub. But 116 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.000 the thing is, it's not even Chubb, but they have some kind of 117 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.120 Russian ties to to listen, the fellow who approved the loan say some kind 118 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.160 of ties and Russia to it. In fact, I think it came from 119 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:24.240 that Russian branch bank coutro U. But yeah, but and it's a subsidiary. 120 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.040 It's not Chubb itself who's putting this up. It's a subsidiary company which 121 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.839 could declare bankers. He said, I don't you know, we're not paying 122 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:31.799 the money, but I don't know. We'll see what happens with that. 123 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.679 If he didn't want to pay this, he wantn't appeal because then she has 124 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:39.879 to go chase him around and start waiting till he saw was properly you know, 125 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.600 properties and stuff like that going if the bank accounts. Chasing that money 126 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.039 would be a full time job and costs a lot of money too. But 127 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.679 putting up the bond says that here's the money. If I lose this appeal, 128 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.039 we'reright in and snatch up that money plus interest. So he's made that 129 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.840 money available towards on this bet. He's betting another ten million. That's somehow 130 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.200 he's going to reverse this get some kind of modification under appeal. I don't 131 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.759 see any of this appeals working, and especially this one. I see and 132 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.000 I think you can come up with the bond money with the New York State 133 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.919 fraud case and there's no appeal there either. Yeah, well with the New 134 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.399 York City fraud case, right, you got see this is the thing is 135 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.519 now it'll it'll turn into who gets their money first, maybe, you know, 136 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.360 Except in the case of that bond, the bond is put up, 137 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.639 so it's for that case. But in the case of all these other things, 138 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.559 where like you said, it would become a full time job trying to 139 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.960 chase down the money afterwards, If he's got ten settlements against him, somebody's 140 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.679 gonna claim priority, right and say the differences in that. See, this 141 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.279 is New York State, coming after that money. They can force them to 142 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.080 sell properties, they can, they'll make and snatch up money out of bank 143 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.480 Account's a lot easier than you or me could chasing after somebody's money and enforcing 144 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.519 judgments. This is New York State, and they've already said they're going to 145 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.440 go after plus By the way, too, there's a whole nother element to 146 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.039 all this because he has their a judge who's a monitor over his finances, 147 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.720 and she could actually say she could have I think she could have said, 148 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.440 hey, man, going appealing this case here and throwing away another ten million 149 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:15.519 on the appeal is a bad financial move. I don't I'm not approving that 150 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:16.519 because you all all of a sudden money to New York State. It was 151 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.559 money all over the place. You got to come up with. So but 152 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.720 she didn't overstep her a I believe she has authority to do that. She 153 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:28.440 hasn't overstep that. But just another crazy element in the Trump legal saga. 154 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.919 Well, one thing's for sure is if everybody tries to collect. We'll find 155 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.480 out real quick if he's actually got it. Because that's the other problem, 156 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.399 right, is, no matter what property they sell off for anything else, 157 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.200 I mean, is there enough ascets to liquidate against all this? Because I 158 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.360 mean, what is the tally altogether on these settlements? Right? I mean, 159 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.519 how many were over a billion without a problem? Right? I mean, 160 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.559 so you know that means he has to have actually been a billionaire. 161 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.840 You know, remember those arguments, is he actually a billionaire? You know 162 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.320 from a couple of years ago. He would actually have to be a billionaire 163 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.720 if they're gonna collect more than a billion, right, because he's got to 164 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.000 have at least that in assets, uh, to be able to sell them 165 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.759 off and all this. I mean, look, it's very complex. I'm 166 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.639 not claiming to understand any of this really. Uh. And and I'm watching 167 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:20.080 the the the disintegration of the Georgia case happen because of that whole craziness. 168 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.799 You got any insights on that, by the way, the uh, the 169 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.519 Fanny Willis situation, and uh, you know exactly how improper that was? 170 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.600 You got any you got any special insights on that one? Well? It 171 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:35.240 listened. Uh, I would never turn down the opportunity to see a prosecute 172 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.799 a squirm on the witness. Okay, I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna 173 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.200 enjoy that, of course, well, because my back it is criminal defense 174 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:46.080 investigation. But the thing is just for this Roman character. I think it's 175 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:50.159 Mike Roman, who's one of the co defendants there, who's political operative for 176 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.960 him to have the balls to be going after and digging up to it on 177 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.879 the prosecutor in a special way. And all of this stuff that's going on 178 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.200 lately with the Hunter Biden laptop and hacking into that, because you know, 179 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.960 I've had people on my show. It's Patrick Bergey who went to Giuliani's house 180 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.200 and they tasked him with the job of hacking into these passwords of these bank 181 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:18.200 accounts on the Hunter Biden laptop. Uh. And this what's this guy Vreiche 182 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:24.360 Barrow, this cocaine dealer who lives with his mother in Staten Island, who 183 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:31.360 was working for Bannon and then he's working for Matt Gates as their political dirty 184 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.519 tricks to the guy. Then he's working for George Santos and he was throwing 185 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:39.240 these Hunter Biden laptop watch parties. And this is the guy who hacked into 186 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:45.320 Hunter Biden's WhatsApp application on his phone and found that text talking about hey with 187 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.159 the Chinese president and I'm here with my father. That line that's from a 188 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.639 hacking. So we've I've never seen in my life the kind of political dirty 189 00:12:52.679 --> 00:13:00.840 tricks were it is. I'm blatantly hacking and manipulating information on laptops and possibly 190 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.960 some of the stuff coming back from Russia if you listen to Love Parnis. 191 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:11.120 So we're in a whole new territory here as far as political dirty tricks. 192 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.759 See. But what's the chance is that all of this basically gets swept under 193 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.039 the rug when this guy gets swept in as president and you know, at 194 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.360 the end of the year and gets sworn in in twenty five and boom, 195 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.600 here we go. I mean, don't you think all this stuff will go 196 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.639 Well, you know, we can't go after the president, the sitting president, 197 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:33.240 right, so everything goes on pause and everything just disappears over the course 198 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.159 of four years. What do you think of that? Well, they can't. 199 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.639 He can't stop the state prosecution, either in Colorado here or in New 200 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:45.399 York. Both those are state cases. He has an authority over that, 201 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:52.840 the federal cases with that Columbian judge with a strange background in Florida with the 202 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:58.240 documents there, and the DC case and the I guess insurrection case with the 203 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:05.519 I forget his name. Uh though this can be u sidetracked and derailed if 204 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:09.000 Trump takes over the Justice Department. But then again, I think there's gonna 205 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.519 be more cases coming to as time goes on. You think more, I 206 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.720 mean what in between now and November? Oh yeah, how much more? 207 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.399 See, by the way you're talking about does he have this money? You 208 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.120 know, there was a deal because they're trying to take that truth social public 209 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:30.159 and they just approved a partnership. I guess it's the SEC would do it, 210 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.639 or the SEC would approve this partnership deal with him to take that company 211 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.440 public. So there's about to be a lot of money available there in that 212 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.720 business. That's a ton of money. Yeah, But see is it all 213 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:43.600 his? And by the way, does anybody actually have a handle on how 214 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.919 much he's raising with his you know, his merch store, because I mean, 215 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.360 look, every other day I loved it. I even featured the U 216 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.720 the Trump terminator bibblehead. Did you see that thing public? They got him 217 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:03.559 in a a terminator outfit right as a bibblehead. Have you seen that one 218 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.159 yet? No, I'm sorry to say I missed that one. Shot. 219 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.279 Well, I'm just you know, I'm looking around and I'm going you know, 220 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.240 he's got products. Every week, he's got a new product, right, 221 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.120 I mean sneakers, those wonderful gold sneakers. I mean, I'm sure 222 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:22.399 you want a pair of those, right, d you are you a sneakerhead? 223 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.919 Or you have my own sneaks. My own line of sneak is coming 224 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.799 out the Opperman Sneakers for two eighty nine, and you can buy my sneakers. 225 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.919 Nice. You know what I might I might have to I mean, 226 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.200 maybe we could work out a sponsorship deal. You know what, We'll run 227 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.279 a commercial get the Opperman sneakers. Uh, you know what do you think? 228 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:41.039 Well, what I think is before we run out of time, I 229 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.639 really want to hit you with this promised software, Dainty Castello. The octopus. 230 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.399 Well, that's yeah, that's the thing. That's the next thing I 231 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.360 want to get into, right, is that I am seeing a re emergence 232 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:56.480 of discussions regarding the octopus, which, again, always when when people start 233 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.279 to dig into this and they take it as wide as they can in you 234 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.000 know, I hate to even use the phrase anymore, but media sort of 235 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:07.200 circles anymore. Right, they dig into it and they understand, you know, 236 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.639 the software a little bit, and they get into it, and they 237 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.720 get into the conspiracy and what happened to Danny Castillarro and all that stuff, 238 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.399 and then they get overwhelmed by it, right, And nobody can seem to 239 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.159 really nail this all down, even the people that have written books about it, 240 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.440 people that are substacking about it now, people that are podcasting about it. 241 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:32.559 Now, nobody ever gets all the way straight to the core issues here, 242 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.480 what this really means, what this has continued to mean, because if 243 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.399 they're correct about a lot of their assertions, right, then you're talking about 244 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.519 something that has continued to metastasize, has not gone away and has morphed into 245 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:52.080 something else under a different name. Now you've recently gotten into some stuff here, 246 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:53.720 and maybe you could explain it to the audience a little bit, because 247 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.879 I always get lost trying to even go into the octopus. To be honest 248 00:16:56.919 --> 00:17:00.799 with you, I hear you, and it's a lot to take it in 249 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.639 one sitting. And I promised I'm not going to confuse the audience. Good 250 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.559 And like I said too, You're right, there's a lot of podcasters and 251 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.200 substectors and the authors and all this stuff out there. But the people who 252 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.599 are not confused about what happened are the people that were originally involved. Now, 253 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.200 I was abud a year ago. I was dealing with a fellow who 254 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.960 was deep in the Epstein stuff, like a real guy who's deep in the 255 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:26.119 Epstein stuff. The prosecutors and all the attorneys know, everybody knows them, 256 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:30.720 and he's got real information. And I've interviewed him. And after that he 257 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.920 says, hey, Ed, I want to put you in touch with William 258 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.519 Hamilton, who's the president of Inslow who wrote the promise software. And I 259 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:40.039 says, oh, this is great. I'd love to talk to him, 260 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.279 Chuck, I forgot about it, Okay, got so much going on, 261 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:47.039 I forgot about it. And it wasn't until recently. I was looking back 262 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:52.359 through my emails with this first gentleman because he's in possession of some really gold 263 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.400 stuff on Epstein. Okay, and I'm talking to and I find this email 264 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.640 wh he introduces me to William Hamilton. So I did another shot back in 265 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.119 the email. So both of them, Hey, man, let's do an 266 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:06.000 interview with William Hamilton. He's never done an interview in forty five years on 267 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:11.559 this topic. He's never done a radio interview. He wrote the promise software. 268 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.599 He's the president of Inslow. This is where he's the one that got 269 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.759 ripped off Bricana shuddo. According to these fellows, here is the one who 270 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:25.920 put in the back door for the intelligence departments. One thing. So I 271 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.039 interviewed three hours with William Hamilton just by coincidence. I had no idea that 272 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.359 this Netflix thing was coming out. Okay, a couple of months later then 273 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.160 I started hearing it's coming out. I watched the first three episodes. It 274 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.839 seems like a legit, but they bring out some good stuff. There's some 275 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.559 good content in this documentary. Oh I'm hearing a lot. Man. Just 276 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.240 before today, I got on the phone with you on the show with You 277 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:53.119 on an hour and a half with a fellow who's a journalist from Australia who's 278 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.160 got a lot of information behind the scenes about all this. The way all 279 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.680 this information was obtained and presented on Netflix is a lot of disgruntled, unhappy 280 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:06.720 people and a lot of the people who you see portrayed on this Netflix documentary, 281 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.759 Hamilton a kind of shudo. People in the Castellaur family are all about 282 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:18.079 to come out and a very coordinated opposition to results and conclusions that came out 283 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:25.799 this Netflix documentary. In the last episode, they try to portray William Hamilton 284 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:33.079 as a novice, someone perhaps would Walter Mitti type fascinations, who got misled. 285 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.160 He thought he had a source who was in the Central Intelligence Agency, 286 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.960 who was the husband of this woman who lived in I believe northern California, 287 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:47.359 some area over there, and he was getting information from him. And these 288 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:51.160 two novice filmmakers knock on her door and say, hey, do you remember 289 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:52.759 Bill Hamilton. She goes, oh, yeah, I remember. Oh, 290 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.240 well, you know he was he asking you these questions. She goes, 291 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.319 oh yeah, he asked me questions. Well how did you get the answers? 292 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:00.759 And she goes, oh, I would just walk around and ask people. 293 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.279 I would go to the bowling alley and ask the people at the bowling 294 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.799 alley. And then they showed they take b roll footage from a bowling alley 295 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:15.359 to really plant that image in your head that Bill Hamilton is a fool and 296 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:21.119 crazy and thought he had a contact within the Central Intelligence agent, but really 297 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:23.440 it was just this woman going to a bowling alley asking strangers who was supplying 298 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.000 him with this information. So what they don't explain to you is that William 299 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.799 Hamilton is seven years National Security Agency himself. This guy's a former National security 300 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:40.200 agent who was translating stuff in Vietnam Operation Phoenix. Okay, I just found 301 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.599 out today. And his whole background there with him as well his attorney and 302 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:49.480 all this was Elliott Richardson. Everyone remembers Elliott Richardson from Watergate, the hero 303 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.240 of Watergate, Saturday Night Massacre, Elliott Richardson, But Elliott Richardson was also 304 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:59.480 the Secretary of Defense. When Bill Hamilton had problem getting ripped off in the 305 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:03.880 software and seeing people drop along flies around them, he turns to a DC 306 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:08.079 super insider. Okay, got to work for Carter, Gotta work for Ford, 307 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.319 got it work for the next thing. You know, a super insider 308 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:18.519 who's now running a prestigious law firm in California and not charging Hamilton an arm 309 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.160 and a leg, not because he's a fool or because Hamilton's crazy, but 310 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:26.799 because he believed in this story and he saw that a legit guy, a 311 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:33.480 nice guy, is getting ripped off. Okay, I get upset. I 312 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:38.039 did a whole solo show about this after I saw this Netflix documentary where I 313 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.720 was really really upset. Well, look, apparently it's a four part thing 314 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.039 came out earlier. Let's see in February. Okay, so it's about a 315 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.400 month old now. But apparently it's picking aubtraction. People are actually paying attention 316 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.599 to this thing. But what's wrong with it? What's missing from it? 317 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.680 Well, one thing is the way they smear Hamilton in the last episode and 318 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.400 claimed that he's crazy. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Other thing, 319 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:03.240 they don't mention his NSA for seven years. Another thing that is totally 320 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:08.599 unmentioned in this Netflix documentary is Bill Hamilton crazy? Is he making this up 321 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:14.720 or not? Well, there was another murder besides Castillaro, a fellow named 322 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:19.400 Alan standorff Okay who worked for the National Security Agency. He was an employee 323 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:25.559 of the NSA's vent Hill, Virginia facility, and he gave insider documents to 324 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:33.119 Danny castelaua from the main core section of the NSA. This is their blackmail 325 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.319 divisions. Because what really doesn't come out too much in this Netflix thing either, 326 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.240 is that when they installed this backdoor into Promise, it was also being 327 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:48.359 used in the banking industry. It was being used for blackmail information, and 328 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:56.119 they could use this software to spy on people's overseas wire transfers to Swiss bank 329 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.279 accounts, to Cayman Island bank accounts. And when you have this information, 330 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.880 I'm on important political people in there, they're shady financial transactions. You can 331 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.799 blackmail them with that information. And if you have their account numbers and you 332 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.200 have their log of information, you can steal money from them. If I 333 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.759 have your Chuck o'kelly's banking information, I take out a thousand dollars, That 334 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.519 says, hey, Chuck, I got your information. I know what you're 335 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.519 up to. I just stole a thousand bucks, and I can steal the 336 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.039 rest anytime I want. That gives me a lot of power and a lot 337 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:30.079 of manipulation over mister Chuck O'Kelly. Yeah. No, Look, if I've 338 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.480 got some kind of deal roll in and I'm stashing it into one of the 339 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.880 island banks, doesn't matter which one, and nobody's supposed to know about it 340 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.079 because it's through a coded thing, and it's not directly connected to my social 341 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.839 Security number, my standard banking whatever. But you have a hold of the 342 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.440 numbers and you have a hold of the pass codes. All you gotta do 343 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:52.960 is contact them and you can transfer money into your own account or anybody's account 344 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.000 you want. You can just wire money out of it and this kind of 345 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:57.559 thing, and that's the way that business is done. Now, you turn 346 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.039 around and you pull a little bit out, show me you can do it, 347 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.720 and you tell me, look, I know exactly where the money's coming 348 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:04.759 from. Because you do. You were able to track it. I get 349 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:08.240 it. Well, yeah, that's a lot of leverage right there. So 350 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:12.720 here we have mister Allen Standoff who works for the NSA at their top secret 351 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:18.759 main core branch, and he's delivering documents to mister Danny Castelaro. Okay, 352 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:25.519 mister Allan Standoff, we next find out is found dead being National Security Agency 353 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:32.359 employee with access to the highest level blackmail portions of this of their servers. 354 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:37.720 Okay, we find him dead. Now is it a suicide? Well, 355 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.000 he's beaten to death and he's stuffed in the back seat of his car and 356 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.200 the car has dropped off at the airport. So I don't think that one's 357 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.160 a suicide. Maybe there's a question that Danny Castilara, perhaps you know, 358 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.519 he took this razor blade, he held it in his after slicing the tenders 359 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.119 in one arm. He didn't put it in his mouth or we maybe held 360 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.920 it between his toes or whatever, and then he slices up the other arm. 361 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.920 Okay, yeah, maybe, okay, maybe all right, Ben, 362 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.079 death in the backseat of a car, that's not a suicide. Okay, 363 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:04.640 And Hamilton says to me, it says, you know, ed, I 364 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:07.519 worked for the NSA for seven years, and well, let me see the 365 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:14.400 exact wording here, and plausibly, in my opinion as a former NSA employee, 366 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:18.079 was never able to solve the standoff's murder. The fella's beaten to death 367 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:22.799 and left in the backseat of his own car at the airport. They couldn't 368 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:27.119 solve that murder when they have access to every little bit of data. They 369 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:32.640 didn't want to solve that murder because they wanted to send a message. If 370 00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:36.279 you talk about the NSA, you're gonna wound up beaten up dead in the 371 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:41.599 back of your car. Okay, Now, this wonderful Netflix documentary doesn't mention 372 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.359 any of this. This is not ed Opperman found this information. I have 373 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.480 an affid David here from mister which is named William Turner. I believe it 374 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:55.640 is the handwritten Affidavid given to me by William Hamilton that describes this whole situation. 375 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.920 This isn't a secret stuff, man. The Netflix guys have this information 376 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.519 because I know guys that I've been talking there for years. Okay, but 377 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.680 they chose, okay to smear mister Hamilton. I say, well, maybe 378 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.680 he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's getting his information from bowling out. 379 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:15.119 It's a seven year NSA employee. This NSA employee has beaten it at 380 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.839 in his backless car. Elliott Richardson. Elliot richards a fool. I don't 381 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.759 think Elliott Richardson's a fool because a Harvard Law graduate, Harvard Law Review, 382 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:27.640 his father was Harvard Medical Law professor, Harvard Medical School professor. It doesn't 383 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.000 come up from a family of idiots. Okay. Well, and the other 384 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:36.160 thing is, look the NSA. Here's something that a lot of people don't 385 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:41.039 know is that automatically they would trigger an internal investigation regardless of what local police 386 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.680 is doing or state PD or whatever. They're going to trigger their own investigation. 387 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.920 They're going to want to know answers for themselves and send out their own 388 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.400 people, okay, to go and investigate. When one of their people turns 389 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.200 up dead like this, that's a guarantee, doesn't matter what he was involved 390 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.240 in or whatever. If somebody is that close to sensitive information and winds up 391 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.599 dead under strained circumstances, they do an internal investigation that, yes, indeed 392 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.279 might not be shared with the public, but guaranteed that exists as well. 393 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:14.559 There's got to be a whole investigation here that was done internally right, absolutely, 394 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.640 and like Hamilton says, it's implausible that they could not solve this murder. 395 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.599 No, they have it. They guaranteed they have it. There's a 396 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:26.279 file on it. Absolutely, and there's no way even if you're a former 397 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.119 NSA person and you at one time had access to this stuff and you die 398 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.839 under strained circumstances. I know, factually, they send out a special investigative 399 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.720 agency. It's not the FBI, it's not the CIA. They send out 400 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.799 a special I don't even know what they call them, but they are a 401 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.720 special group that goes out and does this, right, there is no way 402 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.519 in hell that they don't know what happened to that guy. No way. 403 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.440 Okay. Now, as for whether the local PD or state PD or the 404 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:57.839 FEDS, you know, the FBI doesn't know, I don't know, but 405 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.880 I guarantee the NSA knows what happened to this guy. Chuck. I'll give 406 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.119 you another thing that didn't show up in this wonderful documentary series. I'm Netflix, 407 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:08.039 by the way, I I have Oh I can tell you some more 408 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.000 stuff too. I got some background with Netflix. Okay, well, I 409 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.519 turned down and deal with Netflix. But I was also behind the scenes in 410 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.319 their trashing of Maury Terry, which was the exact same thing where they got 411 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.759 three episodes of Okay, this is what happened? Is what happened the last 412 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:26.079 episode? Moretary is crazy. Okay, they did the same thing Netflix. 413 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.039 I'm on the list for Netflix. Hang on a second for the listener, 414 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.559 Moretary, what you're talking about is the guy who got involved with the Son 415 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.839 of Sam case and absolutely goes out and tells you that there's a whole group 416 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.400 of people, the Processed Church, all these things get involved, and there's 417 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:44.359 these different groups that were involved in this. And it's not David Berkerwitz alone, 418 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.119 the Sons of Sam concept. That's Morey Terry in case you guys don't 419 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.240 remember that name, but go ahead, exactly the ultimate evil. Now. 420 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.160 I'm involved with Netflix because I'm on their short list of people to publicize. 421 00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.599 They when they put out documentaries like on Waco and stuff like that, they 422 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.200 contact me, do you want to have our producer on your show? Now, 423 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.000 I understand that there was no advance screenings of this Netflix material. Wasn't 424 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.880 even presented to the people that were in the Netflix series. Okay, And 425 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.559 I was just talking to someone today. You know, if you're doing a 426 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:21.640 documentary and in the last episode, I'm gonna smear William Hamilton, I'm gonna 427 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.880 at least send him an advanced screening of that copy. Man, It's just 428 00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.480 that a courtesy and out of respect, I'm going to send it to him 429 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.279 and give him an opportunity. Hey man, did I get something wrong? 430 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.359 Is if this is my conclusion? But hey man, if I'm wrong, 431 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.039 here tell me what point me in the right direction. And that's why at 432 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.440 the end you see a title card all the time that says, look, 433 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.839 you know, this guy's aware of this. I mean, non doesn't matter 434 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.839 which documentary. This guy's aware of what we put in here, and we 435 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.200 gave him an opportunity to respond and he refused to. You see that all 436 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.319 the time, right, We asked the people that were involved in this yere 437 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.640 blah blah blah bhlah. They wanted to respond nothing. And that usually involves 438 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.599 in advanced screening like you're talking about, right, they send it to him 439 00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.759 ahead of time and say, hey, you want to respond, we'll record 440 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.200 it, you want to come on, And occasionally you'll see somebody come on 441 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:10.799 afterwards at the tail end of one of these docuseries and respond. But a 442 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:15.640 lot of times it's the they declined to be interviewed for this documentary because they 443 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.839 sent it to him at the end. They didn't get back in time. 444 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.000 That kind of stuff, Right, It would have been nice if they gave 445 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.960 him a chance to responding. And now my understanding is Hamilton backed away early 446 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.480 on because he felt that these guys were over their heads. And it's also 447 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.240 my understanding, just from my observation experience with Netflix, is that this this 448 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.240 this fellow here Hanson and his buddy, they're the director and a producer got 449 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:42.519 the deal with Netflix because of their relationship with Hamilton, because Hamilton was corresponding 450 00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:47.519 with them and talking to them early on. I also suppose there's a lot 451 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:48.640 of stuff that's going to come on the next week, okay, and I'm 452 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.119 not going to say it, but there's a lot of stuff. Well, 453 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.440 you also got a history because I'm sure you were well aware of the stuff 454 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.680 that was coming out with the Dirty Money documentaries that Netflix wound up running regarding 455 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:02.680 the f stuff, right, Uh, I mean, weren't you were of 456 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.680 that stuff ahead of time before they dropped it. No, I was not. 457 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.599 And you want to know what, I haven't even watched that no shit, 458 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.440 Okay, I was just curious. I spent I spent this week talking 459 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.920 to a guy early on, deep deep, deep, deep deep in the 460 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.400 Epstein investigation stuff. Man, this guy's got files and files and files. 461 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:25.359 He's the one that found Virginia Robertson, identified her originally and got the whole 462 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.160 ball rolling with her, that made her a public figure, that got her 463 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.119 out there in the public, you know, you know, and that what 464 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.839 really goes on that stuff, man, in real life? I'm sorry, 465 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.400 interesting, No, I just want to ask you one quick thing. That's 466 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.799 not got private investigator from Florida that was out there for a little bit, 467 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.920 right, not that guy. No, No, okay, no, Daniel 468 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.079 Hanks. Daniel Hanks who found the flight records all that kind of stuff. 469 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.599 Okay, okay, okay, go go ahead, Sorry, okay. Anyway, 470 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.039 it's a whole different world. The people that really know what's going on 471 00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.839 with Epstein and talk about it behind the scenes is a whole different world from 472 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:05.480 the Twitter superstars, and these podcaster are superstars that I all this information out 473 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:10.599 there in the pupp it's tightly pres the feeble man, right, Okay, 474 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.559 no one knows who these people are. I bring up names and I never 475 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:19.160 heard of them. But and yeah, even though they're on their third book 476 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.920 already about it. I got you right. One more thing I want to 477 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.559 hit you with him. Yeah, good, Joe Biden's involved in all this. 478 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.440 Whoa wait a minute, the Epstein stuff. No worst, Caslara, 479 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.000 Oh okay, oh, because I was gonna say. You know, one 480 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.519 thing I can say about Biden is he was never you know, name dropped 481 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.759 on the Epstein stuff. Really, uh, you know what I mean. 482 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.680 There's one woman out there who tried to pull his name in McCain's and Hyman's 483 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.039 wishes. Crazy. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Nothing legitimate that 484 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.640 I saw. I mean, you know, but wait the octopus. Yes, 485 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:58.680 wow, Okay, do you have any idea how you'd like to share 486 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.279 that one with the audience? What what? Joe? I got a letter 487 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.960 here right in front of me. I hold my hand a letter. March 488 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:10.920 eighth, nineteen eighty nine, Elliott Richardson writes a letter to the Honorable Joseph 489 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.119 R. Biden, Junior Chairman, Committee of the Judiciary. Oh boy, 490 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:21.160 and hit him up and says, you know, mister Biden, your committee's 491 00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:27.160 chief investigator, Ron Legrand has been feeding us all this information and he's known 492 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.440 informants for fifteen years. Got a bullet points of what was different from mister 493 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.240 la Grand. So they've been in touch with La Grand. Lagrant's give them 494 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.279 all this information. Now they reach out to Biden, who's la Grand's boss. 495 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:43.640 A letter comes back. Okay. Ellie Richson writes a letter to Joe 496 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:49.519 Biden. A letter comes back and signed La Grand and it says, mister 497 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.519 Richeson, Senator Biden received your letter and asked me to respond, he goes 498 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.559 into all this stuff about, hey, you know there's separation the branch is 499 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.039 the government anycoundon investigation material I might have given you. You know, it's 500 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:06.240 only a background materialists were oversight and it doesn't involve our committee, So you 501 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.119 know, poop pooh, go away leaders loan Okay. Turns out mister la 502 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:15.280 Grand never wrote that. That's a forgery. Ooh ooh, but wait sent 503 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:21.400 from the office of Joe Biden. Who well, Joe Biden received the letter, 504 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.840 and a letter comes back supposedly from La Grand. How would do anybody 505 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.679 else know about this letter? The only one not to respond is Joe Biden, 506 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.559 Right, He's the one who got received the first letter he told about 507 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.360 Chene and Cussi. A letter comes back purportedly to be from La Grand, 508 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.079 Lacranz told Lacran's by the way, Elliot Richardson when he replies to the grant 509 00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:43.119 who he thought was La Grand. Yeah. On March twenty third, nineteen 510 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.679 ninety nine, I received a reply from mister Ronald A. La Grand to 511 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.599 my letter to you of March eight, nineteen eighty nine, advising me that 512 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.159 he was writing at your request. My first reaction to mister Lagrant's letter was 513 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.280 one of astonishment. Yeah, no kidding in his unresponse of this. My 514 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.280 second subsequent reaction have not changed. Okay, So look, Grant, he's 515 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.039 talking to Hamilton buy any scenes, he's talking to Richards and behind the scenes 516 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.320 he comes back. I never wrote that, man, I never signed that 517 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:13.360 letter. He gets fired and we're out of town. Okay. So you 518 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.239 know there's a lot of stuff here. Man. There are good friends here 519 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:21.159 over at Netflix. You know, these these wonderful folks with their boxes of 520 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.239 research. He's so attached to his boxes of research. He has him in 521 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:28.480 the backseat of his car when he's driving around with these boxes. And by 522 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.280 the way, I've heard some interesting too, uh interesting chain of custody about 523 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.719 some boxes around this case. A lot of people like to go on TV 524 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.079 and show their boxes. But I think some stuff's gonna come out about the 525 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:43.280 chain of custody of those boxes, and that some of those boxes might have 526 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.920 helped mister Raconda Shooto clear his name in his criminal defense cases, and he 527 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.159 wanted some of those boxes back, and then he has never returned those boxes 528 00:35:54.199 --> 00:36:00.199 from the wonderful folks who have those boxes. So Raconda. Shooto is coming 529 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.320 out. And by the way, too, we're kind of shoot I dropped 530 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.880 out of all this too, man, because he told these people. He 531 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.920 says, hey, man, there's certain people I don't want you talking to 532 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:13.159 because they're too dangerous. Wow. And a story was related to me today 533 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:20.639 about a meeting that took place after that where perhaps we may understand the motivation 534 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:23.400 behind this Netflix stuff. So, like I'm saying, it's all coming out, 535 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.880 it's all coming out, it's all it's about to really blow up. 536 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.400 There's one article, really good article in Covert Action magazine written by the fellow 537 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:36.119 over there who's the editor, and that first one just came out. But 538 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.639 there's gonna be another interview. He's doing an interview this week with some principles 539 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:44.960 involved, and then next week I'm interviewing everybody involved. Wow. Okay, 540 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.320 so you've got a lot coming up about this where you're going to talk to 541 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.639 some of the people that are really involved. I mean, it's not going 542 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.039 to be and it's all you have their voices. I'm not hiring voice actors, 543 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.199 guys. I do my work and I love these guys. Oh yeah, 544 00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:00.840 at I take them on a green I'm not hiring voice actors. That 545 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.639 that's the real William Hamilton. You can send them an email and ask that's 546 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:10.440 okay. Wait, there's accusations that you're getting voice actors to come in like 547 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.920 reenact. But I see I see this remark all the time. Oh at 548 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.480 Opperaman, I have to take everything he says. What a grain assault. 549 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:21.039 I don't believe these are they are all real people, they're all real papers. 550 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.559 I'm gonna show you hear their voices. I don't know, man, 551 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.760 well you'll let them speak for themselves. What are you gonna do? I 552 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.639 mean, that's all I've ever done is when I get somebody like that, 553 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.480 it's like, no, I'm gonna ask you questions or you know, let 554 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.320 you speak for yourself. Whatever they said they said, I can't help it, 555 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.880 you know, whatever it is, uh, because I get I get 556 00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.199 harangued once in a while when I get one of these people that was a 557 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.440 witness to something and it's like, look they said that, I don't know 558 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.280 what to tell you. I just let them relate the story, you know. 559 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.199 But voice actors, I mean, I can't imagine people are accusing you 560 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.400 of hiring boys. That's that's my that's your interpretation of it. Yeah, 561 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.679 I might hyper maybe I have these three hours with Hamilton. They're in Patreon, 562 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.800 and in the Patreon portion, I'm gonna upload all these docks he sent 563 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.760 me. He sent me a ton of documents that are not in Netflix, 564 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:14.599 and I didn't publish them previous to Netflix because, to be honest with you, 565 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.280 he was afraid and I was afraid. Well, you know, I'm 566 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:20.239 saying to him, hey, man, you do is it okay to publish 567 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.400 this? And he goes that, you know, you can publish it, 568 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.320 but I don't want to get in trouble. I don't want to get killed, 569 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.039 man, Okay, So we're gonna use your own judgment, but I 570 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:29.119 don't want to get killed. Head Okay, then I don't want to get 571 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.920 killed either. And I got enough problems man, by the way, with 572 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.599 the same bunch. So you know a lot of people involved in us that 573 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.119 they all traced back to the same places so that I've had problems with them 574 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:45.679 previously. So so you're gonna you're gonna put all this stuff out on your 575 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.440 Patreon though anyway, I mean it's coming up and now, yeah, yeah, 576 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.880 might as well, because there's at least sort of in the daylight. 577 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.360 It's not you being the first one to bring it in the right and all 578 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.559 the hell is about to break loose on this. You got an exclusively. 579 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.199 You gotta chuck. If you knew who I was talking to today, it 580 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.159 was all hour and a half. I'm hearing stuff. I never heard about 581 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.239 this stuff before. Guys, but inside deep working with all the folks you 582 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:13.039 see on this Netflix thing, Wow, and yeah, and and and what 583 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.719 their their opinions are about this, and what the what the reaction is going 584 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:17.679 to be. These aren't pushovers, so we're so we're gonna get We're gonna 585 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.039 get another view from the people that we should have been involved in the Netflix 586 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.480 thing and should have been able to tell the truth on there. But we're 587 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:28.159 gonna get it on your show. If you don't like it, up and 588 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.400 go to covid action dot com because they haven't. There's gonna be articles there 589 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.320 and there there's already one okay that the lashes into all this stuff here. 590 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.280 Well, do me another people one coming up, do me a favor. 591 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.039 Email me all these links as they come out. I'll make sure to share 592 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.159 them, you know, Like there's the specific Patreon links and all that. 593 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.840 But but otherwise you go over to uh, you know, Patreon slash operaman 594 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:52.199 report right, and you check. I really want to thank you for this, 595 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:53.519 man, I know, I kind of hitch you on the sidelines. 596 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.320 I'm best surprise there and said, hey, man, I got this info, 597 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.159 you know, and I want to talk about kind of coming a sh 598 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.079 And then I know you haven't had really time to prepare really fallow pedals, 599 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:05.199 So I thank you very much. Well, let me come out here and 600 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.880 invent a little bit, because I've been very upset about this personally, you 601 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.039 know, like I hate I hate when someone's lying to the audience. I 602 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.440 hate when they're lying about me even more. But then when I see them 603 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.920 lying about a guy like Pamilton. Man, when you hear this guy, 604 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.639 he's a straight shooter man, the patriot kind of guy, you know, 605 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.679 and you know we probably disagree on a lot of stuff, you know, 606 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.159 but it always kills me when you see these guys who look they were true 607 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.440 believers, right they're in there doing the right thing, thinking that they're doing 608 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.719 you know, the right thing, and and being part of the winning team 609 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.119 that's protecting you know, our country, all of us. All that kind 610 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.119 of stuff. When those people get taken advantage of it's one of the worst 611 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.719 things in the world to me, because it's like, look, even if 612 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.920 I don't agree that we need to take all these you know, covert actions, 613 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.119 we need to take all these military actions whatever else, the thing is 614 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.159 is that there's somebody in there risking their own ass. Okay, you know, 615 00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:00.000 they're putting themselves on the line. They're putting their own best efforts in 616 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.280 one way or another and contributing to this. And again I'm not saying that 617 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.360 I would do it. I'm just saying that you got to have at least 618 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.800 enough respect for them not to throw them under the damn bus afterwards, you 619 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:15.119 know, not to have them screwed over by this stuff and repeatedly. I 620 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.679 mean, I don't know what's going on with Netflix. It's it's a very 621 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.719 weird situation there, the mill of a docuseries. I mean, I think 622 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.679 they need to stick to making murderers over there, because you know that was 623 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:30.920 fairly successful, right, But then again, you might have some insights on 624 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.920 that too. You know, they're their true crime docuseries kind of a thing 625 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.280 that they're doing over there is one thing, but you know, if they're 626 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:44.920 out there serving another purpose, if they're there really to keep people away from 627 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:50.360 the truth. And this octopus thing has been a constant toxic situation. Seems 628 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.599 like anybody who touches it, like I said, either gets overwhelmed or gets, 629 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:59.400 you know, rushed into a situation that you know, all I hear 630 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.639 from is there's all kinds of things going on behind the scenes, and you 631 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:06.639 don't understand this is very dangerous. And it's like, look, I'm not 632 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.920 deeply involved in this. I know that, uh, and and I don't 633 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:14.559 want to become deeply involved in it, I think, But when you do, 634 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.559 it's like, it's a whole other world. There's a whole other world 635 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.119 of stuff going on here, and it's, uh, why why is this 636 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.039 so important for people to hear? And you tell us in your own words, 637 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:29.800 and we'll we'll end the conversation on that. Why is it so important 638 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:31.599 for people to get this information? You think, well, I do. 639 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.440 That's a good question, because what is the most important thing to take back 640 00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.840 from this? Is it October Surprise? Is it these arms deals and drug 641 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:45.960 deals over this Indian reservation? Is it the video of the JFK assassination supposedly 642 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:49.880 the John both Nichols is showing people, is that the most important Is that 643 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.400 what this is all about? Or is it about the promise software with a 644 00:42:53.480 --> 00:43:00.760 back door used to spy on foreign countries, to spy on our own cases 645 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.280 back doors? Well, you know, to look at the prosecution and the 646 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:07.719 information they have as blackmail, dirt and stuff like that, that seems to 647 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:15.679 be the real smoking gun here. And that is what got Danny Castillaro killed. 648 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.280 Not some drug deal, not some arms deal, not some casino deal. 649 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.960 That's what got him killed, man, because he was sniffing into that 650 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.239 and there was so much money. There's one document I have here where they're 651 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:32.800 talking about that Robert Maxwell sold five hundred million dollars worth of this software. 652 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:39.519 Just and and that guy Bill Weld who ran for the Libertarian Party against Hillary 653 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:44.199 Clinton back in twenty sixteen, he's up to his neck in this. Wait. 654 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:45.800 Wait, when he was working for the Department of Justice. There's a 655 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.039 document about him that kind of that came out at first, that got squashed 656 00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.199 again, came back out. They could find that on Covert Action magazine too. 657 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.519 I think it's the only place you could find it. And they're talking 658 00:43:54.559 --> 00:44:01.559 about him about walking these transactions through credits, credit's sweets like it did last 659 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:07.519 time. Okay, this guy has been a bag man and other operations are 660 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.480 right, but that's how about him selling his pirated software. The country's in 661 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.440 Saudi Rave and the Middle East, and then walk the transactions through you old 662 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.159 buddies. They're the launder money for us. So it is credits sweet. 663 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.440 It's a fascinating document, m and over and over again. You know, 664 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.360 every time we think that there's you know, a possibility that there isn't just 665 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.760 a bunch of blackmail and a bunch of you know, ugly information being exchanged. 666 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.239 That's really where the value is. And uh again, the unseen forces 667 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.840 that go on here. Nobody's safe, ed is what it comes down to 668 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:43.280 in my mind. You know, nobody's safe. And even the people that 669 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:49.119 you think, you know, who have all have all their have all their 670 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.480 their ducks in a row so to speak, with this stuff, right, 671 00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.519 all they're hitting money going to the different islands. You bring up Maxwell, 672 00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.519 that's interesting here his connection to this so man, it's just this interconnected thing. 673 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.800 And I guess when it comes to the octopus, there's ink everywhere, 674 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:09.400 you know, I mean, it's just anyway so massive. I just don't 675 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:15.400 even know how to deal with it all. But anyway, Opperman aedan Oppermanreport 676 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.199 dot com again. Go over to the Patreon and it's a Patreon slash Opperman 677 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.079 Report and you'll be able to follow all this stuff. And the three hours 678 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.519 is already up there, right, Oh, absolutely those three hours have been 679 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.320 up there. They're also on Spreaker. I think I'd played them twice on 680 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.480 Spreaker. I was shocked by the way. Yeah I got this guy. 681 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.840 I had to do this guy hasn't done it tow you in forty five years. 682 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:36.760 And I'm telling everybody all over the plus, hey, I got this 683 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.639 guy, you know, at the center of the octopus. I got all 684 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.719 these exclusive documents that nobody's seen before. Is anybody interested in seeing any of 685 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.280 this? Nobody? But Netflix does it. They come out with some bullshit 686 00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:52.480 at the end, you know, and everybody's talking about that like it's the 687 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.360 Holy Grail. Well see, that's again what happened with that dirty money situation 688 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:58.400 is people came at me and were like, oh, look, here's the 689 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:00.639 Maximwell stuff. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know, all 690 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.119 right, but all the stuff you heard on my show all these years. 691 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.519 Is goes further than any of that crap they just put out, you know, 692 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.760 just you and I sitting down and talking about it every once in a 693 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:14.239 while. The stuff Pierce Redmond was doing, the stuff you know, others 694 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.239 were doing that. I don't even want to talk about it anymore because they 695 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:20.480 become rock stars or whatever. But you know, you know what I'm saying, 696 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.800 It's like we were well ahead of this stuff, and then Netflix drops 697 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.199 the documentary and people go, oh, I know what that is now, 698 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.760 you know. Anyway, Yeah, Pish's research on this was gold and I 699 00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.000 really wish he had come out with a book. He was planning into a 700 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:38.679 book, but then I was just thinking, I mean, so many books 701 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.159 came out, you know, and I think he felt intimidated. I think 702 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.119 you should have went ahead and really wrote a book. I think it would 703 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:46.920 have done very well. I you know what, I would like to encourage 704 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:51.079 Pierce to go with it anyway. I think he could still add something of 705 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.880 great interest to it and do better than some of these other books because his 706 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.920 research was deep. He had a lot of stuff he didn't talk about on 707 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.159 his radio show or his podcast or whatever. Uh, that could definitely make 708 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.039 a book worthwhile, so you know, who knows, maybe we can convince 709 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.400 him in the future. But anyway, Ed Opperman again, thanks for joining 710 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.960 me, and you guys thanks for listening. Uh. And there you have 711 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.360 it, a special extracelly effect and we'll put it out on the regular feed. 712 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.880 So you guys, no matter who you are, where you are, 713 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:22.880 when you are, remember this. I'm merely ocelli. All of you are 714 00:47:22.920 --> 00:48:13.599 indeed the effect. 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