Okay, So we have this article that's called Mike PINNs may have inadvertently protected
abortion rights in Indiana Rolling Stone by Tessa Stewart, and it was actually published
on June twelve, twenty twenty three. Now I'm just gonna read just a
little bit, you know, to kind of give you guys like a taste
of what's going on here. So you know, a controversial Indiana law,
once championed by Mike PINNs, could end up protecting abortion access in the state
if a law suit actually filed by the ACLU is successful. Now, last
week, a Superior Judge Court judge granted class action status to a suit sink
A, seeking to strike down the state's near full told band on abortion on
the grounds that violates Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act or refer. Okay, everybody
say that, which then Governor Pitts signed into law. Don't worry, we
didn't. We didn't practice that, but he did sign it into law in
twenty fifteen. Now, the complaint filed on behalf of five unnamed plaintiffs,
which are three Jewish people, one Muslim, and one whose belief system is
described as universal consciousness, as well as the organization's Hoosier Choose for Choice asserts
that Indiana's near total of that abortion band violates their sincere religious belief so in
seeking class action status, lawyers for the plaintiffs argue that the law infringes on
the beliefs of countless additional Hoosias, including practitioners of Unitarian Universalism, Episcopalianism,
and paganism. And now a judge on Tuesday agreed, finding that there is
a large enough group of potential plaintiffs in Indiana with the same objection objections to
the law as the existing paintiffs for the Talente to proceed as the class action
lawsuit. In a twenty nine page ruling, Marian Superior Court Judge Heather Welch
found there was sufficient evidentiary support back the religions to which plaintiffs and putative class
members belong would guide its practitioners to seek abortions under particular circumstances based on testimonies
from leaders of this faith. Now that I have go ahead and got you
all that, I am curious to know what you guys's perspectives on this glen.
I'm going to come to you because you're the closest in the panel to
me, so you know, what's your perspective when you actually read this and
saw Mike p you know, thought that he was doing something, but he
ended up doing something. Well, you know, first, let me say
that I know the real reason that you've chose me is because Mom likes me
best. You feel now, reality, this really is another great example of
why it's a really bad idea to make what might sound like a good idea
on a bumper sticker into a law. Now, don't be wrong. This
law was putrid and disgusting from the start. It was nothing more, as
you said, into the left effort really to legally discriminate against LGBTQ rights in
the name of Jesus. It's nothing more than we get to decide who you
need to be, good old fashioned Christian Christian hate love. I do get
that wrong a lot. Maybe it's because it sounds like hate to me,
but you know, I think this is really a story of Mike Pence in
a nutshell. He wants to hate on one group, but ended up waffling
from his original position, and now the law is being used to attempt to
counter his other fixation, restrict and the right to abortion. He became vice
president hoping to become president. When he gets the president, he gets a
president that's hoping he gets hanged. Things never turn out the way a plan.
I'm guessing his wife is really the one who knows how that feel.
But your Pence will never be a president. He's suffering from want to be
president disease, and there's only two known cure. The first is to become
president. The second is the known pat Robertson method, which is dying while
thinking about This is one of those cases where we find ourselves having common ground
with some of the theists. While rare, it's encouraging, but I have
to admit it is mind boggling and sickening. That's such a basic right to
determine what happens to your body is so complicated. You know, I don't
have a unter. I feel a little exasperated they even have to have an
opinion on it. But truthfully, it's people like Pence that make that requirement.
Now, I do hope this class action suit succeeds to use a bad
law or again what should be a constitutional right in the first place. That
sounds like a win. We'll see worst case scenario Mike Pence gets to be
the butt of the joke again. What do you say, Scott, Well,
I'll want to ask Scott, no worries. No worries because like you
mentioned specifically about Mike Pence's presidential ice um aspects or or you know, aspirations
rather but yeah, well you know, I mean like that whole like hang
him high thing on January sixth. You know, I don't, I don't
know. Maybe he got hope, you know, faith substance, hope for
um. But seriously, but Scott, do you think that because we were
just we were we were talking about you know, uh elected officials and uh
and their whole you know, leaning towards the theocracy, whether they're on on
you know, a Democrat or a Republican, and how it even helps them
as far as like or they feel it helps them as far as like how
they govern. Do you think that this particular law that he helped pass in
twenty fifteen um of will affect him in a good way become precedent you think?
So, no know what I'm saying. M Yeah, I get you.
I'm listening, I'm following you, I hear you, I see you.
Okay, So yeah, so we're on the scene. So yeah,
so you want to know is this going to affect is political? Right?
Yeah? First thing though, I gotta say, I appreciate the ironic.
It's just it's always fun to see this kind of ironic and um and uh,
second thing though, who's your Jews for Choice? And that's one of
the plaintiffs. Who's your Jews for Choice? And yes, you know,
I'm not a Hoosier, I'm not a Jew, but these sound like people
I want to hang out with. They sound like people they don't take themselves
too seriously, but they're passionate about their about their heritage and their their perspective
and their their issues that are important. So who's your Jews for Choice?
I looked for a website. I couldn't find one. But if there's any
Whosier Jews for Choice out there, please email us because I want to.
I want to, I want to talk to you, and also just want
to put it aside. They embrace be right. Yeah, I would have
trouble with that. I would have trouble with that. But anyway, but
anyway back, yes, yes, um, you know, so here what
we have here is a case of be careful what you wish for right here.
He pushed this, uh, this law through, this rf r A
law through and um, and it's biting him in the butt right. And
you know, the first thing, though, is that that's got to show
you that's got his privilege is showing here. And we're talking about Christian privilege
within the religious community in the United States. We already know that religious folks
do enjoyous privilege in general in the United States, but even within that community,
then we have the Christians. Because he didn't even think that it was
possible that somebody could use this law his weapon, his sword against him,
and so it's a big surprise in that respect. Um. But then,
um, the thing is when when when there was pushback against that RFRA A
law. So we're talking about two laws. We're talking about the the r
f r A law and then we're also talking about this recent almost total abortion
band in Indiana and so um, so he had this RFRI law and that
was that was his weapon. And uh, then he had to dial it
back a little bit because there was tons of pushback and there was an uprising
pitchforks with you know, evangelicals with pitchforks outside his office. Not um,
but they were very up in arms when he made that clarification. So it's
very clear that this is a weapon. So if in fact, this law
that that Pence passed does undermine some of his primary support, right, I
mean, this is really his last holdout demographic that support his support his political
career is white evangelical and if they're angry about him, and he was,
and if he's alienating them, then you know, then he's done. He's
done, you know, and good written to you. I think, and
this obviously is just my opinion, but I think we're getting to the point
where we're going to see Mike Pence tired to spend more time. Yeah,
yeah, and so what the tail? I'm hesitant to hand this off to
you. It's not at all Catholics and so my pens is a Catholic.
Shoot, okay, let's face but yeah, that he spends more time with
his family and no, when I you know, when I started reading this
article, I had some mixed feelings because on one hand, we have oh,
oh yeah, Pence did something stupid and now he's paying for he's mistake
and his privilege is biting him back on his ask. But at the same
time, we have to realize that guys, look at what is happening in
the USA, look at look at how much power and privilege religious has.
That the only way for saying people to fight against religion is hope their religious
bites itself it hurts itself, because there is no other way. It has
so much power, it has so many laws that are protecting their religious belief
and these religious ideas, which by the way, religious, yes, ideas
in general, shouldn't need protection, they are just ideas, but they have
so so many ways how they protect themselves, and how religious ideas are being
used as a weapon, as you said, to legislate to create new laws.
That sadly, yeah, we are so used to seeing the harm of
religion that when religion does something against itself we celebrate it. But it shouldn't
happen. We shouldn't need to celebrate these little, small victories in which religion
is hurting itself and it's doing things against itself and it's contradicting itself, because
come on, guys, there are forty thousand versions of Christianity already contradicting themselves.
So there is not much to do about that. In here five thousand
around the world. Thank you. Continue, Oh yeah, sure, that's
what it meant, of course. So yeah, it's quite sad that religious
ideas have gained so much power that this is the only way where we can
have a small glimpse of hope. That the silver lining is when religious keep
getting more and more and more advantages, and some of those advantages go against
the previous advantages and the previous privilege that it already hot. So once again,
you say, you're scariest, kick you. You scare me, This
this awful. Well, we hate to scare you too, but you know,
don't think this is fun for you. I'm I mean, no,
we're laughing through the tears. But seriously, but you know, but like
I know that, like we we all agree in some case or shape or
form that you know, there there is more so harm that can come from
religious aspects, especially when you are governed, governing with religious belief But you
know, I'm but I'm curious, Um, do you think that refraining the
argument using you know, Jewish and Muslim beliefs or even like the ones with
universalism would actually be helpful or are harmful? What are you thinking, Glenn?
Well, anyone that's on the same side. I'm on, let's ride
together now. We may disagree on many other things. We can disagree on
those later, but let's go ahead and getting the bus and run over this
issue of taking away people's rights. That's that's pretty simple. One thing that
I do find so revealing about this is how absolutely bad they are governing.
You know, we look at this and this unexpected consequence. I don't know
how much you've been following this Rick to Santa. I mean, there's a
Santa's Disney fight, but he's getting his ass handed to him time and time
and time again. I do two or three more times, but we get
rep repetitive. But it really is getting that repetitive Yo yo yo, Mickey
got hands. That's all that is. Yeah, just governed and realize that
the people who you governed are impacted by the silly decisions and the dangerous decisions
that you make. But you know, I think we're a little ways from
that right now. But I am hopeful to see some groups saying no,
this is enough, and that's a good thing. Without it, doubt I
agree, you know, hopefully, I don't know. Just like co coalitioning
with other faiths, that actually see when laws are bad and they're governing badly,
could be you know, hope, hope that we actually get like,
you know, something that comes down the pipeline is better. Um, so
what's your take on this, Scott? I know that you had some other
things that was like floating around in your ginger head, right, Yeah,
they're floating ginger. Infidel was just saying about if you're if you're going for
the same goal as me, come on stand next to me. We'll walk
together. And that's awesome. You know, I totally concur with that.
I think that any time that people with different fundamental ideologies can find common ground
and can and work together to make life better for all of us, I
think that's awesome and I think that's uh definitely something that's worth supporting. But
I also agree with Tao who was saying that, you know, it's kind
of it kind of sad that we have to use this religiously motivated law to
counteract this other religiously you know, it's like, you know, it would
be nice if this law could be struck down by reasonable arguments. But you
know, a win is a win, and I just wanted to throw this
last thing out here. If life gives you lemons, then just start whipping
those lemons back at life and aim for the head. That's what I have
to say. I like what you said about, you know, showing religion
how they are, how their privilege could harm them. I think that's why
the Satanic Temple exists. We have talked several times about the about them.
I do have a list of the things that they have done, but we
have been talking so much about them that this time I want to go with
the actual religion that you mentioned, Jewish laws. If in case people want
to know why this why this religious privilege is going to hard quotation mark the
ideas of um pens who wants to avolish? Yeah, I got to write
this. The former Vice president announced he's seeking the republic nomination for pressor.
Blah Blah holds the most regressive views on a version of anyone in the country
in the GOP fields, and he declared, we must not rest until a
version is outlawed in every state. Why the religious privilege goes again? This
awful, awful goal likely well, according to Jewish Under Jewish law, a
fetus attains the status of a living person only afterbirth. Before that is not
a living person, and quotes on the nineteenth century Orthodox RAVI I'm going to
butcher this name Moshi of Pressburg. He declare, no woman is required to
build the world by destroying herself. Therefore, these ideas, these harmful ideas
of pens are going to go against this countercally precept religious precepts that I have
just mentioned. So when Server lining it's good that religious contradict each other,
that not only proves that there is no real God, because if not,
there would be no contradiction, but at the same time it shows people why
there should be a separation between church and the state. Religious shouldn't you know,
be greeting loss against me? Well, I have to say that,
you know, I completely agree in Scott, You're You're absolutely right. There
is always going to be a concern about what the long term ramifications of people
working together, and it's good that we do, and it's Tao pointed out.
But you know, the thing I guess that I really took from this
is not only the unattended consequences, but the downright for the lack of concern.
I don't know any other way to put it. I mean, I
hear I'm a man talking about abortion, but you know, here in the
state of Texas there are women carrying non viable pregnancies that are risking their lives.
Their lives are literally in danger. It's not you know, this is
a rhetoric or all these other things. And I'm admittedly I believe in body
autonomy, so the nuances of all that is for somebody else, not me.
But having said that, I don't understand how callous people can be when
they're just making decisions that they need to just stay out of us. If
you well, you know, as the only person that got a uterus up
and here, up and here, I would love mister Pence to stay out
of mind and those who also carry one. But you know, I I
want to. I was just like, you know, just thinking about you
know, what you specifically said about Jewish law and how they actually view a
person. When a person becomes a person, and that's when the person is
separated from the wound and they're able to breathe life and an actuality. If
you read Joe Bibles or as our or as our our resident of biblical bibble
scalar uh Rich britt One would say, Richard Jillifer, read your fucking Bible.
I can't stay at a a liver Pool Manchester Way that he does,
but you know he's quite Thanks, thanks, thanks, I'm want to drink
some more Lord after this, to seal it in. That is Genesis.
One man, what you know, became when God breathing to man, man
then became a living soul. That is Genesis. So read a fucking Bible,
Pence, And if you want universal, that's a United States law as
well. Yeah, personhood granted at birth, at birth, that's the law.
And that's even a how you can become a citizen like you're born here.
And according to the Bible, if you injure a person and pregnant and
their baby miscarries, uh and I hate to use a term baby, but
that's what it would refer to it as you get fine. No eye for
an eye, that's for murder. So even the it's clearly not but we're
not even gonna talk about it. If a woman is suspected cheating on her
husband, she got to drink that water. Yeah, drink that water,
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