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Okay, So we have this article
that's called Mike PINNs may have inadvertently protected

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abortion rights in Indiana Rolling Stone by
Tessa Stewart, and it was actually published

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on June twelve, twenty twenty three. Now I'm just gonna read just a

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little bit, you know, to
kind of give you guys like a taste

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of what's going on here. So
you know, a controversial Indiana law,

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once championed by Mike PINNs, could
end up protecting abortion access in the state

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if a law suit actually filed by
the ACLU is successful. Now, last

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week, a Superior Judge Court judge
granted class action status to a suit sink

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A, seeking to strike down the
state's near full told band on abortion on

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the grounds that violates Indiana's Religious Freedom
Restoration Act or refer. Okay, everybody

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say that, which then Governor Pitts
signed into law. Don't worry, we

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didn't. We didn't practice that,
but he did sign it into law in

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twenty fifteen. Now, the complaint
filed on behalf of five unnamed plaintiffs,

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which are three Jewish people, one
Muslim, and one whose belief system is

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described as universal consciousness, as well
as the organization's Hoosier Choose for Choice asserts

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that Indiana's near total of that abortion
band violates their sincere religious belief so in

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seeking class action status, lawyers for
the plaintiffs argue that the law infringes on

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the beliefs of countless additional Hoosias,
including practitioners of Unitarian Universalism, Episcopalianism,

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and paganism. And now a judge
on Tuesday agreed, finding that there is

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a large enough group of potential plaintiffs
in Indiana with the same objection objections to

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the law as the existing paintiffs for
the Talente to proceed as the class action

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lawsuit. In a twenty nine page
ruling, Marian Superior Court Judge Heather Welch

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found there was sufficient evidentiary support back
the religions to which plaintiffs and putative class

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members belong would guide its practitioners to
seek abortions under particular circumstances based on testimonies

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from leaders of this faith. Now
that I have go ahead and got you

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all that, I am curious to
know what you guys's perspectives on this glen.

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I'm going to come to you because
you're the closest in the panel to

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me, so you know, what's
your perspective when you actually read this and

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saw Mike p you know, thought
that he was doing something, but he

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ended up doing something. Well,
you know, first, let me say

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that I know the real reason that
you've chose me is because Mom likes me

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best. You feel now, reality, this really is another great example of

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why it's a really bad idea to
make what might sound like a good idea

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on a bumper sticker into a law. Now, don't be wrong. This

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law was putrid and disgusting from the
start. It was nothing more, as

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you said, into the left effort
really to legally discriminate against LGBTQ rights in

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the name of Jesus. It's nothing
more than we get to decide who you

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need to be, good old fashioned
Christian Christian hate love. I do get

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that wrong a lot. Maybe it's
because it sounds like hate to me,

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but you know, I think this
is really a story of Mike Pence in

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a nutshell. He wants to hate
on one group, but ended up waffling

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from his original position, and now
the law is being used to attempt to

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counter his other fixation, restrict and
the right to abortion. He became vice

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president hoping to become president. When
he gets the president, he gets a

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president that's hoping he gets hanged.
Things never turn out the way a plan.

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I'm guessing his wife is really the
one who knows how that feel.

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But your Pence will never be a
president. He's suffering from want to be

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president disease, and there's only two
known cure. The first is to become

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president. The second is the known
pat Robertson method, which is dying while

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thinking about This is one of those
cases where we find ourselves having common ground

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with some of the theists. While
rare, it's encouraging, but I have

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to admit it is mind boggling and
sickening. That's such a basic right to

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determine what happens to your body is
so complicated. You know, I don't

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have a unter. I feel a
little exasperated they even have to have an

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opinion on it. But truthfully,
it's people like Pence that make that requirement.

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Now, I do hope this class
action suit succeeds to use a bad

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law or again what should be a
constitutional right in the first place. That

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sounds like a win. We'll see
worst case scenario Mike Pence gets to be

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the butt of the joke again.
What do you say, Scott, Well,

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I'll want to ask Scott, no
worries. No worries because like you

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mentioned specifically about Mike Pence's presidential ice
um aspects or or you know, aspirations

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rather but yeah, well you know, I mean like that whole like hang

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him high thing on January sixth.
You know, I don't, I don't

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know. Maybe he got hope,
you know, faith substance, hope for

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um. But seriously, but Scott, do you think that because we were

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just we were we were talking about
you know, uh elected officials and uh

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and their whole you know, leaning
towards the theocracy, whether they're on on

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you know, a Democrat or a
Republican, and how it even helps them

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as far as like or they feel
it helps them as far as like how

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they govern. Do you think that
this particular law that he helped pass in

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twenty fifteen um of will affect him
in a good way become precedent you think?

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So, no know what I'm saying. M Yeah, I get you.

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I'm listening, I'm following you,
I hear you, I see you.

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Okay, So yeah, so we're
on the scene. So yeah,

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so you want to know is this
going to affect is political? Right?

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Yeah? First thing though, I
gotta say, I appreciate the ironic.

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It's just it's always fun to see
this kind of ironic and um and uh,

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second thing though, who's your Jews
for Choice? And that's one of

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the plaintiffs. Who's your Jews for
Choice? And yes, you know,

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I'm not a Hoosier, I'm not
a Jew, but these sound like people

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I want to hang out with.
They sound like people they don't take themselves

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too seriously, but they're passionate about
their about their heritage and their their perspective

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and their their issues that are important. So who's your Jews for Choice?

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I looked for a website. I
couldn't find one. But if there's any

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Whosier Jews for Choice out there,
please email us because I want to.

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I want to, I want to
talk to you, and also just want

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to put it aside. They embrace
be right. Yeah, I would have

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trouble with that. I would have
trouble with that. But anyway, but

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anyway back, yes, yes,
um, you know, so here what

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we have here is a case of
be careful what you wish for right here.

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He pushed this, uh, this
law through, this rf r A

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law through and um, and it's
biting him in the butt right. And

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you know, the first thing,
though, is that that's got to show

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you that's got his privilege is showing
here. And we're talking about Christian privilege

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within the religious community in the United
States. We already know that religious folks

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do enjoyous privilege in general in the
United States, but even within that community,

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then we have the Christians. Because
he didn't even think that it was

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possible that somebody could use this law
his weapon, his sword against him,

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and so it's a big surprise in
that respect. Um. But then,

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um, the thing is when when
when there was pushback against that RFRA A

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law. So we're talking about two
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f r A law and then we're
also talking about this recent almost total abortion

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band in Indiana and so um,
so he had this RFRI law and that

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was that was his weapon. And
uh, then he had to dial it

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back a little bit because there was
tons of pushback and there was an uprising

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pitchforks with you know, evangelicals with
pitchforks outside his office. Not um,

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but they were very up in arms
when he made that clarification. So it's

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very clear that this is a weapon. So if in fact, this law

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that that Pence passed does undermine some
of his primary support, right, I

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mean, this is really his last
holdout demographic that support his support his political

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career is white evangelical and if they're
angry about him, and he was,

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and if he's alienating them, then
you know, then he's done. He's

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done, you know, and good
written to you. I think, and

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this obviously is just my opinion,
but I think we're getting to the point

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where we're going to see Mike Pence
tired to spend more time. Yeah,

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yeah, and so what the tail? I'm hesitant to hand this off to

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you. It's not at all Catholics
and so my pens is a Catholic.

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Shoot, okay, let's face but
yeah, that he spends more time with

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his family and no, when I
you know, when I started reading this

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article, I had some mixed feelings
because on one hand, we have oh,

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oh yeah, Pence did something stupid
and now he's paying for he's mistake

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and his privilege is biting him back
on his ask. But at the same

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time, we have to realize that
guys, look at what is happening in

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the USA, look at look at
how much power and privilege religious has.

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That the only way for saying people
to fight against religion is hope their religious

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bites itself it hurts itself, because
there is no other way. It has

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so much power, it has so
many laws that are protecting their religious belief

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and these religious ideas, which by
the way, religious, yes, ideas

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in general, shouldn't need protection,
they are just ideas, but they have

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so so many ways how they protect
themselves, and how religious ideas are being

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used as a weapon, as you
said, to legislate to create new laws.

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That sadly, yeah, we are
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religion that when religion does something against
itself we celebrate it. But it shouldn't

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happen. We shouldn't need to celebrate
these little, small victories in which religion

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is hurting itself and it's doing things
against itself and it's contradicting itself, because

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come on, guys, there are
forty thousand versions of Christianity already contradicting themselves.

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So there is not much to do
about that. In here five thousand

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around the world. Thank you.
Continue, Oh yeah, sure, that's

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what it meant, of course.
So yeah, it's quite sad that religious

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ideas have gained so much power that
this is the only way where we can

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have a small glimpse of hope.
That the silver lining is when religious keep

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getting more and more and more advantages, and some of those advantages go against

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the previous advantages and the previous privilege
that it already hot. So once again,

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you say, you're scariest, kick
you. You scare me, This

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this awful. Well, we hate
to scare you too, but you know,

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don't think this is fun for you. I'm I mean, no,

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we're laughing through the tears. But
seriously, but you know, but like

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I know that, like we we
all agree in some case or shape or

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form that you know, there there
is more so harm that can come from

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religious aspects, especially when you are
governed, governing with religious belief But you

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know, I'm but I'm curious,
Um, do you think that refraining the

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argument using you know, Jewish and
Muslim beliefs or even like the ones with

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universalism would actually be helpful or are
harmful? What are you thinking, Glenn?

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Well, anyone that's on the same
side. I'm on, let's ride

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together now. We may disagree on
many other things. We can disagree on

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those later, but let's go ahead
and getting the bus and run over this

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issue of taking away people's rights.
That's that's pretty simple. One thing that

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I do find so revealing about this
is how absolutely bad they are governing.

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You know, we look at this
and this unexpected consequence. I don't know

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how much you've been following this Rick
to Santa. I mean, there's a

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Santa's Disney fight, but he's getting
his ass handed to him time and time

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and time again. I do two
or three more times, but we get

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rep repetitive. But it really is
getting that repetitive Yo yo yo, Mickey

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got hands. That's all that is. Yeah, just governed and realize that

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the people who you governed are impacted
by the silly decisions and the dangerous decisions

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that you make. But you know, I think we're a little ways from

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that right now. But I am
hopeful to see some groups saying no,

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this is enough, and that's a
good thing. Without it, doubt I

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agree, you know, hopefully,
I don't know. Just like co coalitioning

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with other faiths, that actually see
when laws are bad and they're governing badly,

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could be you know, hope,
hope that we actually get like,

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you know, something that comes down
the pipeline is better. Um, so

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what's your take on this, Scott? I know that you had some other

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things that was like floating around in
your ginger head, right, Yeah,

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they're floating ginger. Infidel was just
saying about if you're if you're going for

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the same goal as me, come
on stand next to me. We'll walk

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together. And that's awesome. You
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I think that any time that people
with different fundamental ideologies can find common ground

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and can and work together to make
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think that's awesome and I think that's
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I also agree with Tao who was
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of it kind of sad that we
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counteract this other religiously you know,
it's like, you know, it would

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be nice if this law could be
struck down by reasonable arguments. But you

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know, a win is a win, and I just wanted to throw this

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last thing out here. If life
gives you lemons, then just start whipping

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those lemons back at life and aim
for the head. That's what I have

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to say. I like what you
said about, you know, showing religion

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how they are, how their privilege
could harm them. I think that's why

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the Satanic Temple exists. We have
talked several times about the about them.

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I do have a list of the
things that they have done, but we

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have been talking so much about them
that this time I want to go with

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the actual religion that you mentioned,
Jewish laws. If in case people want

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to know why this why this religious
privilege is going to hard quotation mark the

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ideas of um pens who wants to
avolish? Yeah, I got to write

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this. The former Vice president announced
he's seeking the republic nomination for pressor.

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Blah Blah holds the most regressive views
on a version of anyone in the country

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in the GOP fields, and he
declared, we must not rest until a

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version is outlawed in every state.
Why the religious privilege goes again? This

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awful, awful goal likely well,
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fetus attains the status of a living
person only afterbirth. Before that is not

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a living person, and quotes on
the nineteenth century Orthodox RAVI I'm going to

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butcher this name Moshi of Pressburg.
He declare, no woman is required to

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build the world by destroying herself.
Therefore, these ideas, these harmful ideas

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of pens are going to go against
this countercally precept religious precepts that I have

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just mentioned. So when Server lining
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that not only proves that there is
no real God, because if not,

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there would be no contradiction, but
at the same time it shows people why

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there should be a separation between church
and the state. Religious shouldn't you know,

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be greeting loss against me? Well, I have to say that,

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you know, I completely agree in
Scott, You're You're absolutely right. There

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is always going to be a concern
about what the long term ramifications of people

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working together, and it's good that
we do, and it's Tao pointed out.

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But you know, the thing I
guess that I really took from this

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is not only the unattended consequences,
but the downright for the lack of concern.

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I don't know any other way to
put it. I mean, I

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hear I'm a man talking about abortion, but you know, here in the

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state of Texas there are women carrying
non viable pregnancies that are risking their lives.

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Their lives are literally in danger.
It's not you know, this is

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a rhetoric or all these other things. And I'm admittedly I believe in body

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autonomy, so the nuances of all
that is for somebody else, not me.

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But having said that, I don't
understand how callous people can be when

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they're just making decisions that they need
to just stay out of us. If

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you well, you know, as
the only person that got a uterus up

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and here, up and here,
I would love mister Pence to stay out

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of mind and those who also carry
one. But you know, I I

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want to. I was just like, you know, just thinking about you

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know, what you specifically said about
Jewish law and how they actually view a

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person. When a person becomes a
person, and that's when the person is

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separated from the wound and they're able
to breathe life and an actuality. If

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you read Joe Bibles or as our
or as our our resident of biblical bibble

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scalar uh Rich britt One would say, Richard Jillifer, read your fucking Bible.

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I can't stay at a a liver
Pool Manchester Way that he does,

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but you know he's quite Thanks,
thanks, thanks, I'm want to drink

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some more Lord after this, to
seal it in. That is Genesis.

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One man, what you know,
became when God breathing to man, man

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then became a living soul. That
is Genesis. So read a fucking Bible,

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Pence, And if you want universal, that's a United States law as

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well. Yeah, personhood granted at
birth, at birth, that's the law.

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And that's even a how you can
become a citizen like you're born here.

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And according to the Bible, if
you injure a person and pregnant and

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their baby miscarries, uh and I
hate to use a term baby, but

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that's what it would refer to it
as you get fine. No eye for

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an eye, that's for murder.
So even the it's clearly not but we're

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not even gonna talk about it.
If a woman is suspected cheating on her

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husband, she got to drink that
water. Yeah, drink that water,

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Yeah, drink that water. That
water well, I don't know if you

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