WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:32.200 All right, welcome to Blood and Dust podcast. I'm joined by my esteemed 2 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:37.520 co host Matt Also, we have Haunted Bisbee here with us today, kind 3 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:42.359 of a little impromptu interview, and I saw you guys on Instagram and kind 4 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:45.159 of wanted to touch base and see what that was all about. Because we 5 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:48.920 love anything wild West in history, and for the most part, we love 6 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:53.439 ghosts and stuff like tattoo. So would you guys like to introduce yourselves? 7 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:59.920 Absolutely. My name is Joey Bravo and my wife Xandra Bravo and Xandra Opera 8 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:04.200 and owns the Haunted Bisbee. That's two ors things that we're doing in Bisbee, 9 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.879 Arizona. So how do you guys get into that? Well, we 10 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:12.040 moved to Bisbee in the midst of the pandemic as well as you know, 11 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:17.560 half the world moving their location, and it happened on a whim. We 12 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:23.400 were actually escaping to Arizona in August to get to flee the heat in La 13 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.120 might be the only people in the world who's ever done that. But I 14 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:32.400 was gonna say, I've never heard anybody say that. I used to live 15 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:36.079 in Arizona, and it's like, I don't know if that makes the primary 16 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:41.079 difference being that my mom has a house there with air conditioning and a tiny 17 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:48.359 studio without. So we drove to Bisbee to entertain ourselves one day, and 18 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.920 by the time we got through the approximately two and a half miles of the 19 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.560 main street, Joey had zillo to an apartment and a week later we signed 20 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:02.359 a lease. So we scrambled around to get jobs here. I worked at 21 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:12.080 a wine bar and Joey worked at a tour and displeased in our various experiences 22 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:15.159 at both, we fell in love with the town and found out that some 23 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.400 of the history was not as accurate as could be, and so we decided 24 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.919 that we would create our own tour. But then we found out that somebody 25 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:30.400 else had already done the historical research and created a tour of their own who 26 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:34.319 was no longer operating it, so we sought her out. Her name is 27 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:38.039 Francine Powers, and she's a respected journalist, historian, and local here in 28 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:45.000 Bisbee who wrote the book Haunted Bisbee, and she was happy to sell us 29 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:50.919 the intellectual property and the tour structure, as well as continued to stay on 30 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:55.319 as our consultant. So we picked that up and we have multiple plans for 31 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:01.639 expanding tours and operating practices for Atlas tours, but I think you're mostly here 32 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:07.520 for Haunted Bisbee. So that's what we're going to talk about today. Absolutely. 33 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.560 The thing is this town has such crazy stories and the people who put 34 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:15.080 this together because Bisbee didn't want to be founded. It burned down four times 35 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:19.520 in the first like twenty years of its existence, and the whole thing has 36 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.840 been built on a hope and a prayer. It has two thousand miles of 37 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:28.319 underground tunnel and nobody quite knows where it is. So sometimes the streets are 38 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:32.800 safe for trucks, sometimes it's ippy. It's just so all these people who 39 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:37.080 had no idea what they were doing over one hundred years, building a town 40 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.039 without permits. It's got a lot of stories and a lot of history, 41 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:43.439 and it's connected right to Tombstone. You know, all the criminals went from 42 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.159 Tombstone to Bisbee and vice versa. So I just thought, yeah, let's 43 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.520 just tell the truth. And the truth is strange in fiction, as they 44 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:53.240 say, until nineteen thirty five, Tombstone was actually the county seat. So 45 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:59.879 previous to nineteen thirty five, all of our criminals went to tombstone for justice. 46 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:08.520 Since we mean hanging, how about just a haunted pub? Yeah, 47 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.960 what are some haunted pubs around the area. Well, I guess the Grand 48 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.000 Hotel would be considered one of the haunted pubs we have here. So the 49 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:20.199 Grand is actually the second version of the Grand. The original fire that took 50 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.959 out the Grand was in the nineteen o nine, nineteen or six, I 51 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:29.720 get a little dyslexic. What happened was the Grand closet caught fire and the 52 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.759 neighbors across the street noticed it. Now, because Bisbee is five thousand, 53 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:36.920 five hundred feet up, the water pressure is terrible, so the firefighters could 54 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:42.040 never put anything out. Oftentimes the miners had to resort to just blowing up 55 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.279 buildings in the way of the fire to create a firewall, and using dynamite. 56 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:49.800 So when the Grand was torched, it actually took down all of Main 57 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:55.120 Street and many of the houses. Back in the time of nineteen o nine, 58 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.199 I think it was seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of damage to 59 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.759 the whole town. And this was the time this had happened. So the 60 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:06.560 Grand went up and we built it and around it was finished for like around 61 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.759 the nineteen eight, so almost like one hundred years later it was finally finished. 62 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.839 There's a bar in there that came from Mexico and it's hand carved basted, 63 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.519 about one hundred and fifty to two hundred years old. We haven't done 64 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:23.120 a sample of it and tested it, but along with that bar has been 65 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:27.240 seeing a lot of people see shadow people in the bar, the women's restroom. 66 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.240 There's constant like banging sounds and the lights turn off and there's no lights 67 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:33.040 switch in there. You have to hit the breaker. And many of the 68 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:36.240 construction workers who were working on it throughout the eighties and a little in the 69 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:41.920 nineties kept phoning the manager and saying that this woman in white was wandering around 70 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.839 upstairs where they were working, and they were worried that she was going to 71 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.480 hurt herself on the tools or fall down up opening like shaft or something. 72 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:53.000 And there was nobody up there, and this was a recurring thing. One 73 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:56.759 of the personal stories somebody told me was that as he was working there, 74 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.959 they would always see this kind of shadow or cowboy figure wanders to the fireplace. 75 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.879 And when the fireplace was demolished over a decade ago, there was a 76 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:08.959 room just just hidden the room behind the fireplace. I thought that was interesting. 77 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:15.560 So the Grand Fire was reported on the Bisbee Daily Review on October fifteenth, 78 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.360 nineteen oh eight, so it would have been the day between nineteen o 79 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:27.199 eight and the headline says Bisbee has three quarters million fire loss worst disaster in 80 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.279 the history of Bisbee was recorded last evening. Yeah. The only reason the 81 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.240 fire didn't eat all the homes that were put up at the time, which 82 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:38.959 were basically one room shacks, was we had a wolves Worth and the back 83 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.959 building. The back of the building was brick and it incidentally created a firewall 84 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:46.959 that. Yeah, and actually nobody died in that fire, despite the entire 85 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.720 town billing up. Only one person did. And we had people jumping out 86 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:54.680 of buildings, being caught in blankets and stuff. After the fire it subsided. 87 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.040 Somebody was walking down Main Street and was looking up at all the damage, 88 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.120 just being curious, and part of the building fell and crushed them. 89 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:06.560 So here's here's a quote from the from the newspaper from the Bisbee Review says 90 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.759 from the Grand Hotel, the flames spread to the Norton building and to the 91 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.000 Johnson Block. There they were checked by the Elks building for many minutes, 92 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.959 the members of which made valiant efforts to save it from destruction, as it 93 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:24.800 had been only recently completed and expensively furnished. They pleaded in vain for water. 94 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.800 It was not to be had. Dynamite was used and the Bisbee Hardware 95 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.120 Company blown down. This gave hope for a time, but nothing could resist 96 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.240 for long the fierce heat which it was subjected, and it soon was roaring 97 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:40.879 with the rents rest. The records of the lodge were lost, many of 98 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:46.000 the furnishings were saved. Nothing beats an old timey newspaper. They had a 99 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.800 way of writing, that's for sure. They had something to prove, you 100 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:56.279 know, for a few people I could read more eloquently. So what are 101 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.439 some of your guys's favorite spots? Oh? Gosh, um my favorite. 102 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.519 That's a really good question, I think, because I gotta do the two 103 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.399 where in my head like real quick, I think I really love the park 104 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.160 that we used to be the old cemetery. It's kind of was turned into 105 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.519 an amphitheater, so it has these really cool acoustics so when you're up there, 106 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.360 it's a lot quieter than the rest of the town. That it's pretty 107 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.160 quiet. Let me think, I really love the library. It was voted 108 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.199 for the I never thought i'd say that sentence, but I think the best 109 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.800 library in like America in twenty twenty. I think some of were like that. 110 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.200 I know, Arizona and maybe New York to got his beat. I 111 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.679 actually just kind of like the stories, you know, I kind of like 112 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.039 the stories. The places themselves I really enjoy. But the whole town is 113 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:45.960 just gorgeous from end to end. My tour, because Joey is the tour 114 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.000 guide for the for the Haunted Bisbee tour, I do an art tour that 115 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.639 does art and architecture. My favorite spot is actually with one of the very 116 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:01.080 kind and generous store owners lets us go into his store. It's a sub 117 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:07.440 basement level and on the sidewalk are glass structures that you walk over that most 118 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.679 people think are just some sort of pretty mosaic because their colored glass it looks 119 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:16.080 like a big cripple like mosaic. And it's actually a skylight into the basement 120 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.039 level, so we could actually go down and take a look and you can 121 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.759 see the shadows of the people walking across the sidewalk. And it was because 122 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.440 although electricity was being used at that time, which is how come Bisby was 123 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.120 such a boomtown because of the copper. Not all of the buildings were outfitted 124 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:39.720 with electricity, so these skylights are sprinkled throughout the town and nobody knows about 125 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.399 them. Yeah, and there's like twelve feet of this space underneath a lot 126 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.240 of the sidewalk. Pretty cool. If you're in the basement they're looking up. 127 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.240 Do you see like the colors of the glass or yeah, the whole 128 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:58.000 room is tinted like this lavender color from the glass. That's really cool. 129 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.120 It's really neat. I have to send you a photo or because that's super 130 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.720 cool. Yeah, definitely, I'd love to see that. So in eighteen 131 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:09.720 seventy seven, a bunch of horses went missing from Fort Bowie and Jack Dunn, 132 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.720 who was considered the best scout they had, and a team of people 133 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.200 decided to come out and look for the horses. They had assumed the Apache 134 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.759 had taken them, because that was the mindset at the time. So as 135 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.519 they were wandering through the area Bisbee and they kept trying to set up camp, 136 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.080 but all of the springs were terribly like sour. They weren't good drinking 137 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:31.399 water. As they were wandering through the area, they found a really fresh 138 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.080 spring and this was called Apache Spring. And as they were staying up camp, 139 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.039 they noticed some of the rocks had some green tint to them and they 140 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.840 thought, well, this could be copper. This could be a lot of 141 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.519 money for us. But because Jack and his men were military, they couldn't 142 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:48.720 spend all day just digging holes in the ground. So they found an old 143 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.080 drunk guy named George Warren that they were friendly with, and they said, 144 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.159 George, if we'd buy you a bunch of shovels and equipment and whatnot, 145 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.159 will you dig for us and if you find anything, put our name on 146 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.360 it and we can all be rich. And George said, yeah, yeah, 147 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.679 I can do that, And within fifty days he started finding stuff he 148 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:11.120 did not put their name on it. So George ended up making tons of 149 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.399 money with his claims and found a whole bunch of stuff, and miners started 150 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.679 showing up and Bisbee started booming. From then, we had so much copper 151 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:24.399 and so much the city that in our courthouse has a solid copper roof, 152 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.159 and there's a high school that has eight hundred pound copper doors. The town 153 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.519 was doing fantastically in nineteen seventy three. They stopped around seventy three. The 154 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.080 locals keep debating me on this, but I think I'm right. Nineteen seventy 155 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.919 three they stopped mining and the whole town went into bankruptcy and just kind of 156 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.559 became a ghost town. Most people could I've talked to said they bought a 157 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.840 house for about a thousand dollars here. So all the hippies moved in because 158 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:54.559 they could afford to live here, and they were kind of being ostracized after 159 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.440 all the events of the sixties, and so the town was refurbished, rebuilt 160 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:05.559 and helped together by hippies for the last sixty seventy years and now it's this 161 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.840 kind of bohemian, artsy liberal thing in the middle of Tombstone and the military 162 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:15.360 town Sierra Vista. George himself, who founded that the town had all the 163 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.960 money, well, he lost everything in life. He was shot three times 164 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.080 in town and three different arguments, and he ended up losing all the money 165 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.720 because he got really drunk in a town called Charlton, which is between here 166 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.279 and Tombstone, and he bet all of his money in the mind that he 167 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:37.440 could outbase a horse on foot, so his ideas that he was going to 168 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.159 run next to the horse and turn around and run back, and he thought 169 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.200 the horse would beat him on the straight away, but he'd be so quick 170 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:50.200 at pivoting that he would win the race. And he lost all of his 171 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.000 money on that. He died wandering the town just sweeping floors and cleaning spittoons 172 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.399 for pennies. And it wasn't until about thirty years after his death at the 173 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.559 Elks Club actually found his grave and it just said gw that was all that 174 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.559 was left. Everything was worn off, and they did some scientific tests and 175 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.039 no idea what that was to verify that it was George, and they removed 176 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.759 his body and moved into a different cemetery and gave him a huge monument. 177 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.360 And in addition to his accomplishments and death, he's on the State Seal of 178 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:24.480 Arizona. They were looking for an old like scraggy prospector for the state Seal. 179 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.200 They saw him and said, yeah, that guy, and it just 180 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.879 happened to be the guy who did all this stuff for Bisbee. And that's 181 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.840 kind of like where the town came from and how it came to be, 182 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:39.919 which is a completely perfect person to have on the state seal because Bisbee was 183 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.600 the most productive mind in the state for a very long time. Was he 184 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:50.399 for being fleet of foot that he would make that that's a really good question. 185 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.360 I never heard anybody describe him as quick, you know. He was 186 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.679 always just like one of the characters in town. In addition, Bisbee was 187 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.799 named after Judge DeWitt Bisbee, and he never visited the town, which I 188 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:09.799 think is pretty gangster that you have this whole hundreds named after you and you 189 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:16.919 don't even show up. He was the attorney for the camp before it was 190 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.919 Bisbee, it was called Mule Gulch Mining Camp, and so he was the 191 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:26.440 attorney for However, they bureacratically set that up and then they incorporated it in 192 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:35.360 eighteen eighty and named it after him. I was had like other information, 193 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.200 and I'm always like, oh, wow, okay, because I'm trying. 194 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.600 I try to keep the two earths concise and then but there's so much information, 195 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.440 so it's always fun to hear and Zandraw has something new. What are 196 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.759 some of the more scary places that people just let's say they randomly or even 197 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.200 you for that matter, that you've gone into and it's just like, I 198 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:01.759 really don't like going in there. Xandra is not sensitive to any spirits whatsoever. 199 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.120 I, on the other hand, have a bit of a spider sense. 200 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:11.879 I don't like the going into the bank that is now the antique store. 201 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:16.080 It has the bolts still underground and that's where they put a lot of 202 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.639 the knickknacks. And after about thirty minutes in there, I actually had to 203 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.679 leave. I could not stay in there any much longer. I don't really 204 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.039 have any stories from there, but it's one of those places that definitely not 205 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.720 a huge fan of. It's funny because I was shopping in there, and 206 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:35.480 I like to linger in shop and brows and stuff, and and the whole 207 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.240 time I'm trying to calm myself because I don't like this. He generally doesn't. 208 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.759 He's not much of a lingery shopper. So I thought he was just 209 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.000 being anty because he wanted me to get out of there. And finally he 210 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:48.080 just like tacked me on the shoulder and he's like, aren't you getting anything? 211 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:54.840 And I'm like huh, and he's like, I go. I definitely 212 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.639 think the Copper Queen Hotel. Now there's all these legends in town that there's 213 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.519 like sixteen ghosts and they all have names and stuff in the Copper Queen Hotel. 214 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.200 It's one hundred and twenty year old hotel as of this year. But 215 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:11.320 on all my research, I couldn't find a lot of references to the names 216 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.679 and these big explosive Hollywood debts like would have been in the paper. I 217 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.559 mean, I have recordings of like a donkey that died in front of the 218 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.879 hotel, but none of this crazy stuff. But on the fourth floor, 219 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.519 which is said to be haunted by a spirit named Billy, who the hotel 220 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:30.879 says as a little boy, but the people who work there think it's actually 221 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:36.399 bigger than that, and so do I. The entire fourts floor feels thick 222 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.360 and kind of like you like swimming through it a little bit, and all 223 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:42.759 a lot of the guests say that their head feels bad or their stomach doesn't 224 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:47.679 feel good, or they feel tilted. And it's only on that floor. 225 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.279 And when you just walk down to the third floor like little staircase, you're 226 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.279 fine, You're absolutely fine, and you go back up you're like, oh, 227 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.120 I don't like this. And Xander was there for the first time last 228 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.799 night, and you didn't quite enjoy it either, did you. I felt 229 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.039 I didn't know how to define it, but it kind of felt thick to 230 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:10.480 me. Yeah, And then the other the other ghosts I take very seriously 231 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:12.759 is that there's a cheese shop on Main Street that used to be the old 232 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:18.119 mortuary and now that they served blue cheese, and there was a whole family 233 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.720 that lived there from the sixties to now, and a lot of people we've 234 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.000 we've done spirit box sessions because some people bring equipment. I try to be 235 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.319 historically accurate because I don't like to be like woh. But we've had voices 236 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.000 come through. UM. One girl on my tour, her name was Trinity 237 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.839 and her it was her birthday, and someone gave her a spirit box to 238 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.480 play with, and this voice was saying that we wanted to play hot Scotch 239 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:44.799 and that it was waiting for someone to play with. And in that area, 240 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.440 people have had rocks tossed at their ankles and feet that have followed them 241 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:49.920 through the tour. I've been on tours where we're in a hotel and you'll 242 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:55.039 hear it, oh man, another rock. People have heard voices from that 243 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:00.000 cheese shop. Some people in town have actually recognized the ghost photos that people 244 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.079 will have taken and been like, oh, yeah, that was my neighbor 245 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.880 he worked there, you know, and stuff like that. So it's got 246 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:10.119 a real eariness to it. Yeah, I've never seen something where people would 247 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.599 recognize the faces in the glass. That was interesting to me. I didn't 248 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:17.640 know that was something that had done because ghosts are always advertised from being like 249 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.839 two hundred years ago and as they are on this tour. But the last 250 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:23.599 guy died in two thousand and one or three, and his neighbors are like, 251 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:27.240 oh, yeah, that's him in the glass. So I think one 252 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:34.079 of the neat things about the Haunted Bisbee Tour is that, for the most 253 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:42.440 part the spirits phantasms goes what have you, are pretty benign. Some of 254 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:48.880 them get irritable or cranky. Some of them have been known to follow people, 255 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.799 but none of them have been super aggressive, except for one that we 256 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:59.039 know about in town, and that's enough private residence will be. So our 257 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:03.319 tour right now is a ninety minute walk, but that's actually just a quarter 258 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.559 of the length of stories we have, so we're actually saving up to buy 259 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.519 a cart, so in the fall and winter we'll be doing the full four 260 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:15.319 miles for everybody. There's actually a house in town that had an exercistem performed 261 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.039 on it by the Catholic Church in Tucson. They tried using a local Catholic 262 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.440 church and the priest just said it wasn't going to happen. This house actually 263 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.440 belonged to France and who founded this to our company. So she's a journalist, 264 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.000 but she was really interested by the spirit world because that's a little girl. 265 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.720 They had this you know, bishop show over to show up at her 266 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:38.400 house to exercise the house, and she stayed friends with him and until his 267 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:42.519 death. He maintained that he was thrown down the stairs by an entity and 268 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:48.519 she remembers seeing him thrown down the stairs. And so that's probably the darker 269 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.160 spot in Bisbee in terms of just because that house is still abandoned since the 270 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.319 seventies and it's had multiple owners and none of them keep it. One owner 271 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.920 even gutted the entire thing out to start remodeling it and then just left it. 272 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:04.000 So it's just this hollow shell that nobody wants to be in. And 273 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.039 so yeah, like that's the most negative spirit that we really have. Yeah, 274 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.640 So there's uh, that's about in terms of the negative ones, but 275 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.960 most of the ghosts, as my friend describes it, he's he's like he 276 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.359 said, his theory, you know, and it's with all theory. His 277 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.359 theory was that maybe they don't know that they're dead and they're trying to get 278 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:25.160 our attention because we're just ignoring them and it's ticking them off. Yeah, 279 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:26.839 why don't you pay attention to it? Kind of thing. We've also had 280 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:36.440 um psychics inform us that the ghosts are unhappy when the stories told about them 281 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:40.640 are rot It's kind of funny. So like, I'm trying to do both 282 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:42.680 because I love history and I want it to be accurate. And I never 283 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:45.680 if I can't prove that you're that you've died in town, you don't get 284 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:51.440 on the tour. Yeah, that's that's basically how it goes. But I 285 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:55.599 also wanted, um, I know that people have different levels of appreciation for 286 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:57.799 ghosts, and some people take it very seriously and make it their jobs. 287 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:00.880 So and as an now I am so Yeah, I brought a lot of 288 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.960 psychics, which is and mediums onto the tour is just to say, hey, 289 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.319 like, what do you think about this? So what is your perspective 290 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.400 on this, and they've all had a lot of interesting things to say about 291 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:11.160 it, and that you were saying, what did you just say that? 292 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.480 I'm sorry, I got lost on my own words about the psychics, and 293 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.160 which is that they report that they are not happy when the stories are wrong. 294 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.599 Yeah. Yeah, And that's kind of interesting because I'd even you know, 295 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.680 this is all just here saying whatever. But I was even doing incorrect 296 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.880 information when I worked for another tour and the voices that would come through the 297 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:41.160 spirit pox were like garbage and terrible beyond. Yeah. Yeah. And it's 298 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:44.400 funny because the guests would be like, oh, I don't know if that's 299 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:45.519 true, you know, the box is saying, and I'm like, oh 300 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.920 my god. And now that I've started, like now that I've started telling 301 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.200 real stories, like, it's all kind of just that stopped. And I 302 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.200 find that kind of funny too. Now. I mean, I could just 303 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.000 be imagined it all, but it's kind of funny to think that old George 304 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:06.960 Born it's heckling me from me on the gree toughest critics aren't even alive. 305 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.920 Man. Okay, so I was wrong, Okay. The mind did shut 306 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.599 down on June thirteenth, nineteen seventy five. All right, all right, 307 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:21.000 so two years before Star Wars, the mind shut down. That's how I 308 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.559 do, younger people, and that put an end to ninety five years of 309 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:30.759 copper mining. Damn. I think I read that there's like a thousand steps 310 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:36.279 in Bisbee, Okay, So I don't know that anyone's has actually counted them, 311 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.519 except for maybe all the poor bastards who decide to go on it. 312 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:45.519 There's it's a fundraiser called the Bisbee one thousand. So in the nineteen thirties 313 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.480 for the New Deal, the Worst Progress Administration came into Bisbee and built all 314 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:55.160 of these sidewalks and stairs because we're situated on the side of a canyon and 315 00:22:55.240 --> 00:23:00.839 people would just put houses up where they found claims where they started mining before 316 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:04.880 it conglomerated by Phelps Dodge and other large mining companies, and so there's all 317 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:10.599 these houses and buildings on the side of the canyons that basically over time people 318 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:15.039 made trails to get to. And so the WPA came in installed all these 319 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:22.519 sidewalks and stairs, and the Works Progress Administration was the WPA, and this 320 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.720 was done in the nineteen thirties. Because we were under such economic depression, 321 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:30.519 not that we could imagine that today. That the government decided that if the 322 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:36.240 Americans built their own infrastructure in their own cities and were paid, then everyone 323 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:38.720 would win and maybe we'd have some money. So in the thirties, yeah, 324 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.039 all these concrete stairs are put up also about the town, but they 325 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:45.359 weren't done quite right because all the houses were put at randomly. So you 326 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:51.079 have staircases going to people's backyards front yards, a couple of staircases to nowhere. 327 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.319 It's a bit like the town version of the Winchester House. Yeah, 328 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:02.759 but they're still in place and in resly good condition. The Bisbee one thousand 329 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.440 is akin to a five K, so people sign up every year. I 330 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.640 think it's already sold out for this year. It takes place in October, 331 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:15.079 so there are endless amounts of stairs. There's a handful that are publicly accessed 332 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:21.480 by the Bisbee one thousand, which is operated by Bisbee Vogue, and people 333 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.599 go up and down these stairs like a five K. They pay to do 334 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:29.799 it, and that helps raise funds to keep them in working order. Some 335 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.839 of them are not in working order anymore, and some of them go through 336 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.799 private residences, so they're not used, and the fire deployment takes it really 337 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:44.839 seriously. They put on all their gear and they do these thousand steps twice. 338 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:49.279 Are there any stories that happen to occur on the steps or any of 339 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:53.400 the steps? I mean, I have no doubt that every year we get 340 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.759 a couple of people dropping. We are at a mile high and if people 341 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.599 haven't practiced here than they might not be accustomed to it. It's also it 342 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.240 does play place in October, which is past the monsoon season, and it's 343 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:12.119 very aired out here. But I don't I don't know if any specific funny, 344 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.039 but it is not, you know, that's interesting. There are not. 345 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.279 There aren't a lot of like stair stories. I imagine if you fall 346 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.920 or something happen where you die on a staircase, it's just kind of like 347 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:26.000 part for the course, you know, they kind of expect it versus like 348 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.599 a living room, you know, so I don't think it gets bitten up 349 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:33.960 too much stuff like that. The only um interesting stair story that I can 350 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:41.079 think of is the old cemetery is elevated by a pretty large staircase above the 351 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.440 rest of the city. And whatever I do whenever someone who brings a spirit 352 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.480 box or something. It's always talks about the stairs. The voices always say 353 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.839 stairs, stairs, stairs, and um over multiple days. Some of the 354 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.079 people who are more sensitive, like the side kicks and stuff, many of 355 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.599 them separately have talked about a little boy in that cemetery who only wants people 356 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.599 to walk up one of the staircases and not the other ones because he believes 357 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.680 that they missed his moving his mother's body and she's still in the ground and 358 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.960 he doesn't want people to step over her. But that's the only kind of 359 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:17.000 story I have about the stairs specifically. I think, do you have any 360 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.720 favorite stories from the from the wild West area? Yes, that you really 361 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.319 love telling people, but yeah, yeah, because I do want to keep 362 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:27.920 it wild West. This actually involves Tombstone. I'm going to do my best 363 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:34.400 to talk about the Bisbee massacre. So we're the only tour that talks about 364 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:40.319 this. This was a robbery that went awrye So on December eighth, eighteen 365 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:42.960 eighty three, and around seven pm, there was a whole gang and they 366 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.480 went by the name the Cowboys, and they're featured in the movie Tombstone. 367 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.400 Well, they set out to rob the Goldwater General Store, which is now 368 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.319 the Panta Art Gallery and still standing as it was when this took place. 369 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.880 It's the oldest building on Main Street. They were estimated that it was seven 370 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:06.880 thousand dollars six thousand dollars worth of money in the safe being put in there 371 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.920 that day. Because the miners were very like right wing in a sense, 372 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:12.920 so they didn't want to put their money into the bank. They wanted their 373 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:17.079 money to go into the general store in a safe for the guy that like 374 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:22.519 they knew. So when the cowboys entered the building, they held the place 375 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.880 up. They opened the safe and they only found about three hundred dollars, 376 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.119 and the owner of the store said something like, you fools, the money's 377 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.200 not here yet. So they stood outside in the main street and it was 378 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.039 kind of at a blind corner, so they thought they'd catch the cart with 379 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.759 the money when it arrived. It took way too long, so people in 380 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.759 town started noticing that these guys were robbing the general store. It was all 381 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:51.079 saloons across the street, and two guys were heavily drinking. They saw that 382 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:52.319 the place was being robbed, so they stepped out to take a look. 383 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.039 One of the robbers said, hey, come back in here. They said 384 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.279 no, and one of his friends ran back into the bar. The other 385 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.279 guy panic just started running drunk down the street. The guy actually drew the 386 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:06.759 cowboy drew his pistol and shot him in the head and killed him instantly in 387 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.119 the road. This alerted the neighbor to the right of the general store. 388 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.599 His name was Howard. He stepped out and was gunned down immediately. The 389 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:17.960 paper said he didn't do anything and say anything, just instantly killed. A 390 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.119 woman by the name of Annie Roberts heard the shots and she was either at 391 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.920 what now is Cafe Roca or the Object Hotel, and she looked out to 392 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.640 see the gunfire going on. She turned to run back into the building and 393 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.960 a bullet went through the door jam and struck her in the spine and killed 394 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:38.000 her. At this point, a guy named James Cribbaumb actually saw all this 395 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.759 going on, and he was way off in the distance, so he fired 396 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.359 six shots from his revolver, just trying to stop it or do anything. 397 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.920 One bullet struck a cowboy, but only went through his coat. At this 398 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.359 point, a Deputy share of D. Tom Smith was visiting from New Mexico, 399 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.799 and he decided he had to confront this single handedly, like he was 400 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:03.119 batman or something. So he stood in the middle of the street and identified 401 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.240 himself as a law enforcement, to which the taller outlaw who was guarding the 402 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.000 door said law enforcement, Well, you're just a man I'm looking for and 403 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.880 shot him in the shoulder. Smith got back up and said I am hit, 404 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.119 and then the cowboy said then you shall have another, and then killed 405 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.920 them in the street right there. Realizing that they're now going to have to 406 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.200 start fighting the whole town because they had killed a cop and some other people, 407 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.039 they decided to just get out of there, so they got on their 408 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.160 horses and they rode away, and as they did, they actually went past 409 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:41.920 the cart that had the thirty thousand in it six thousand and I'm sorry to 410 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.079 six thousand in it. Sorry sometimes numbers. Yeah, they went past the 411 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.960 cart and they missed the money. So this is all for nothing. James, 412 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:49.880 who fired the shawns and hit the guy in the coat, he actually 413 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.920 got on his horse and made it to Tombstone in two hours, trying to 414 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.960 get help. The rich people in town formed a mob because this was their 415 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.960 town then they were their rich people so he formed their own like justice mob, 416 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.000 and they had a guy named Heath who worked next door to the massacre 417 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.000 helped them figure it out. I guess he'd had like a dance hall. 418 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.759 Turned out Heath had planned the robbery, so whenever he was giving directions as 419 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.440 to where the robbers might have been, he gave him the opposite direction. 420 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:21.240 So for about three or four months these people were wandering around until they finally 421 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.440 figured it out. And in short everyone was tried, hung and buried in 422 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:30.559 Boothill Cemetery and they're still there to this day, except for Heath. He 423 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.160 got life because he didn't really kill anybody. He just planned this whole thing. 424 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.680 And the people of Businey they wanted them dead because he, you know, 425 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.640 a police officer, kid was killed. Any Roberts was killed. So 426 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.000 they went down to his jail still early in the morning, started banging on 427 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.519 the door. The jailer thought it was breakfast, so he opened the door 428 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.759 and let him in, and they grabbed Heath and dragged them out and gave 429 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.680 him a blue handkerchief and he tied it around his own eyes and he said, 430 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.000 whatever you do to me, please don't film me. Full of lead 431 00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:03.319 so they hung him on a telegraph line and that was the Bisbee Massacre of 432 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.319 eighteen eighty three, and that led into eighteen eighty four. And I think 433 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.680 that's a really cool Old West story and kind of also shows how Tombstone dealt 434 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.640 the justice for the crimes that we're done in Bisbee. And the telegraph line 435 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:21.759 is still in front of the Old Tombstone courthouse in Old Tombstone. Really Yeah, 436 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.599 there's plenty of images of the hanging, but I think there's one also 437 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.079 at the courthouse. Oh wow, Yeah, Okay, so that's their too. 438 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.799 Yeah, So it's all kinds of the people are Stone Tombstone, the 439 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.599 polestone Tombstone. It's still in. The building is still standing. It's probably 440 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:40.319 the best and most direct kind of way to really put yourself back in most 441 00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.440 in the day, like where they were in the actual places and stuff. 442 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:48.279 That's a really good story, thank you. It's it's a really complicated story 443 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:55.240 too. There's a lot of I do have one more story that's kind of 444 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.759 Old westy and kind of involves how we got our first library that actually involved 445 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:07.599 in They're hanging. So the short version of this was a guy in the 446 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.559 paper described as a Mexican and he was gamboling one of the bars and he 447 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.079 lost horribly, so he came back in with his rifle and just shot up 448 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.440 the whole place. I mean, it was a pretty descriptive newspaper article. 449 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.039 They caught him and hung him on the corner of Main Street just for a 450 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.960 day to show people, Hey, don't like kill people in town, or 451 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.079 we'll kill you. And this was the day that the superintendence from the mine 452 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.000 had arrived from New York City, so they taken the train all the way 453 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.640 to Bisbee. They got off and the first thing they saw was this man 454 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.359 hanging from a tree. And they were so appalled because this was their company 455 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.160 town that they said, okay, how can we stop this? So I'd 456 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.200 like to do this quote just because it's worded so well. This comes from 457 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:54.000 the cover Queen Libraries actual information on this. It says they decided immediately that 458 00:32:54.039 --> 00:33:01.680 the town needed more civilized diversions. Um, they bought about a thousand books 459 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.759 and they shoved it into the company's store and created the first library. And 460 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.079 they thought, if people read more and we're more cultured, they stopped murdering 461 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:15.759 each other and busy. So I like that store. I like, I 462 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.359 like that too. Got to be more cultured. It'll be fine. Yeah, 463 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.039 I just read some Catcher and the Rye. You'll stop telling people to 464 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:27.759 be fine. Picture some dandy's getting off the train from New York and seeing 465 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:37.839 oh my god. Oh man. So tell us a little bit about your 466 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.319 tour and maybe what we would see if we took a day on it. 467 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.039 So, um, what our tours are? They are right now. The 468 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.319 Haunted Busy Tour is a ninety minute walking tour where stairs are optional, which 469 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.119 is great. That's an important note because, like we said, there's lots 470 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.759 of stairs in the in the town. But it's also there are no straight 471 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:04.440 there's no flat level walking in this town. Everything's crooked and uphill. Yeah. 472 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.760 So to get off Main Street is usually several stories worth of elevation. 473 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:13.480 It is one of the more difficult parts because a lot of the people visiting 474 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.239 our retirees or their family people, and if you have a bunch of kids 475 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.760 running up and down the stairs, it's kind of hard to corral them. 476 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.920 And if you're a retiree age I mean your knees, you just can't do 477 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.480 the stairs all day if you're not used to it. So the tour has 478 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:31.440 optional stairs on it depending on how people are feeling, and I like to 479 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:36.400 do kind of a three part story without being obvious about it. We travel 480 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.400 up one side of Main Street and I talk about the whole history of the 481 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.920 town, the founding, how George Warren lost all his money to the horse, 482 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.079 and things like that, and then we do a quick turnaround. We 483 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.679 walk down the other street side of main Street, and I tell the stories 484 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.440 of all the cowboy stuff, such as the shootings, the hangings, and 485 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.639 we pause and I describe and show all the landmarks for the Bisbee massacre and 486 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.559 kind of explain in three D space how it happened. And then I want 487 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.960 to get into the weird. So from there we go into the old red 488 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.360 light district, which she's being an official red light district in nineteen fifteen, 489 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:14.079 and this is where all the segregation was, so anyone who's Hispanic, Native 490 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.960 American, Asian at black, they were all segregated to the section where all 491 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:22.400 the bars are. And from that came a lot of stories. So I 492 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:27.119 talk about like the Screaming Danshee that was in the paper. People considered this 493 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.159 town from the newspaper articles, I have they consider it haunted as far back 494 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:35.559 as nineteen ten, So I talked about about Screaming Danshee, the old cemetery, 495 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.320 the time they found a human head, there, a few other crazy 496 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.280 things. And then we end it. We do a little loop. We 497 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.320 go to an underground part of Bisbee. I think I'm the only two way 498 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.519 to do that, and then we go to the Copper Queen Hotel. We 499 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.480 do a quick sweep of the fourth floor so people can kind of feel it 500 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:58.480 for themselves, because most people feel so uneasy on that fourth floor that I 501 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:02.119 think it's a nice way to kind of mind them about like the supernatural ideas 502 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.639 of that on the tour. And that's kind of how the tours put together. 503 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.960 Xandra has a separate tour right now called the Bisbee Sampler, which is 504 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.960 a two hour kind of hangout that goes to all the different art galleries in 505 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:16.960 town and you get to hang out well you know, you're very friendly. 506 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.920 Er tells the history of all the murals because the hippies have painted all over 507 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:24.719 the town. The walls have just ran it. So she talks to the 508 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.920 people about that and kind of walking through town. We do public art, 509 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.880 architecture, there's a lot of very unique architectural architectural features of the town. 510 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:39.440 Because of the fires and because it was a boomtown. The call for buildings 511 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.519 to be built out of stone, which most of the buildings out here at 512 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.320 the time we're built out of timber, invited multiple architects from all over Europe. 513 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.440 So if you if you are looking at Bisbee, sometimes you'll find people 514 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.360 talking about how it's similar to being in Europe, and it's because our town 515 00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:05.159 is a hodgepodge of all these European architectural styles. Also, when they changed 516 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.119 over to the county seat in nineteen thirty five from Tombstone to Bisbee, there 517 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:15.559 were a lot of buildings put in that represent a fabulous Art Deco history. 518 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:22.440 So we talk about the architecture. I kind of bypassed the areas that Joey 519 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.719 goes onto because he does that so much better than I do, and also 520 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.079 because you know, we'd like people to take both our tours if they so 521 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:36.800 desire. But if you think about the main the main drag in town as 522 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.639 being main Street, it's actually called two different things. It's Tombstone Canyon and 523 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.239 Main Street. So I do more of the Tombstone Canyon and then once you 524 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:49.280 go past the primary main Street area, so I kind of get the areas 525 00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.119 that he doesn't, and he gets the areas that I don't. Yeah, 526 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:59.639 that's a short answer. It's hard to talk. It's hard to describe because 527 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:04.199 this out it's so like like an mc etre drying or something like. It's 528 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.280 trying to We sometimes get caught up in like naming the places because it's so 529 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.320 windy and built on top of itself. It is a really neat towns looking 530 00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:16.440 at pictures of it. In fact, Google Maps has a hard time if 531 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:22.079 you're anywhere off of Main Street because the switchbacks behind to get up the canyons 532 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:28.800 are so narrow that, like our house, it's best found by using the 533 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:34.199 address on main Street because it gets really confused. Yeah, just accordions itself. 534 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.719 So a lot of the tourists have problems because you know, they're relying 535 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.920 on Google Maps or whatever, and it's odd. I'd say most people I 536 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.400 talked to have come to this town, and we get a quarter million people 537 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.519 a year as of twenty thirteen, the last time they counted. They just 538 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:51.360 show up. They don't even know, like how high up the town is 539 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:52.920 they don't know that they're stairs, they don't know what's open, they don't 540 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.639 look up the food. They just come because like their neighbor told them to 541 00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:00.840 check out Bisbee. So we kind of have to try to take care of 542 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.320 them the best we can. But you know, um, yeah, that's 543 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.639 about I would say that one of the cool things about our tour that I 544 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.480 like to promote in terms of promoting is that we do like small groups of 545 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:15.519 like ten people and stairs are optional. The other current big tours in town, 546 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:21.039 one of them has sixty people six zero per group, without any microphones 547 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.159 or anything, and they don't list that. So you'll they go up how 548 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:29.719 many flights and steps probably like six to eight. And I know when I 549 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.760 used to work for one of the ones that didn't tell people they were stairs, 550 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.360 there's a lot of times where I was actually helping people physically get up 551 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.760 the stairs because they already spent money on the ticket and there were no refunds 552 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.360 and they were like, well, I have to see this through and people 553 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.719 were falling, hurting themselves. So this is this is a much easier way 554 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.880 to go about the bound and you can actually hear us talk to you, 555 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:58.800 which is Yeah, sounds a little nicer. Yeah, Matt, did you 556 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.400 have anything? He did a great job. He killed at Matt exactly. 557 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.880 He did too. He pulled himself together for this one. If you want 558 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.880 to man promote yourself, tell people how they can find you and how to 559 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.599 get a hold of you on a website or whatever. And I will also 560 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.719 provide some information in the episode description as well. Yeah, you can find 561 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:30.400 us at Haunted Bisbee dot com. We're also Haunted Bisbee on the instagrams at 562 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.800 insta talks, and yeah, all of our information is kind of there. 563 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.559 You'll just go to about tours. You could sell Alexandro's Wonderful Art Tour or 564 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:43.960 my Wonderful Haunted Bisbee Historical Ghost Tour, and you can buy the tickets online 565 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:45.599 or just give me a call. I'll pick up and I'll set you guys 566 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.840 up. Like I said, we do groups of ten, but if somebody 567 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.000 wants to do more than that, we will accommodate them on a private tour. 568 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.480 And our rule right now is if there's more than five adults, I 569 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.960 do thirty percent off the entire ticket price. So somebody just bought fourteen tickets 570 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:07.800 yesterday and they staved about sixty sixty. So we want to make it affordable 571 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.280 and useful for people in town, because there's a lot of despair when people 572 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.960 don't know what to do in town. We are also dog friendly and child 573 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:22.760 friendly. Children under thirteen when accompanied by an adult, are free. We're 574 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:31.239 not going to take anybody's kids without them. And then we also if you 575 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.079 know, if our times don't work out for somebody, or they have a 576 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.599 special event, or even if they want to see something that we're not specifically 577 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:45.320 listening, we always are open to customized tours. Absolutely, that's our little 578 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.840 trauma, And in three to four months, hopefully by the end of July, 579 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:55.760 we will be able to expand to cart tours, and in hopefully a 580 00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.440 few weeks. I don't have a date for it yet, but we are 581 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.159 going to start offering a food tour as well. Nice so you can snack 582 00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.480 it along the tour and then get to try all the restaurants out at the 583 00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.199 same time and kind of like decide where you want to go later on and 584 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.800 not have to just like take a wild gamble. You could say, oh, 585 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:16.119 I didn't like the r I did like this, and you're set. 586 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:22.400 One fantastic thing about well just not the only one. But a fantastic thing 587 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:30.119 about visiting Busybee is that these are the original buildings there, the original houses. 588 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.639 Our house was built in nineteen fifteen as a minors shack, and they're 589 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:39.679 strewn throughout the entire community. Some places that I won't specifically call out have 590 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:45.840 rebuilt and rebuilt and didn't decide to preserve their heritage until far past the time 591 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.719 that there the buildings had been taken down. And so visiting Bisbee is visiting 592 00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:57.000 Bisbee as it was in the eighteen eighties and the nineteen hundreds. And in 593 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.559 fact, there's a film called Violent Saturday that was shot in nineteen fifty five. 594 00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.639 Yeah, it's in color, which is odd for the time. It's 595 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.480 a pretty on YouTube now, Yeah, that's what. All the buildings are 596 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.800 only like thirty years old at the time, so it might as well be 597 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.280 the nineties to us, and you can kind of see how the town looked 598 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.440 when it was brand new and besides like and it looks the same pretty much, 599 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:21.480 yeah, exactly the same as it did in the nineteen twenties, which 600 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:27.199 is which is astounding. So it's really a step back in time and it's 601 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:32.039 not as like touristy as Tombstone. So it's more of a wait for you 602 00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:36.239 just to kind of feel comfortable and enjoy the town as it is, versus 603 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.679 trying to, like, you know, make it happen, make it happen. 604 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:46.519 Yeah, it's an effortless time work. I like how you seem to 605 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.320 have a lot of relationships with some of the other businesses in the town and 606 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.920 you guys kind of work with each other. Yeah, it's so it's my 607 00:43:54.000 --> 00:44:06.679 company and U well, my personal What I call my two pillars of this 608 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.960 company. First is the authenticity. When it comes to historical facts, we 609 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:15.440 use historical resources and make sure things are documented. When it comes to the 610 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.920 art, we talked to the primary artists when possible. But the other pillar 611 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.320 of it is that we want to promote a community, cultural and economic growth. 612 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.760 We want the other businesses to thrive just as we want to thrive, 613 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.440 and we believe that cooperation is the best means to do them. And that 614 00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:37.039 has been a hard journey because some businesses have been kind of hardened from years 615 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.159 of dealing with tourists and not knowing how to communicate with them and communicate with 616 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:45.679 other businesses. So we are limited sometimes it's quite a lot of work to 617 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.400 tell something because when we first tried trying to add like different restaurants together, 618 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.719 some of them are kind of scared, like are you going to secretly charge 619 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:52.960 us? And we're like, no, no, this is this is for 620 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.840 you guys, and that's a kind of a concept. So we're really trying 621 00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.679 hard to reach out and how help everybody because again, there's no maps of 622 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.719 Bisbee. I mean, you could find one, but it's not like accurate 623 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.760 accurate, and there's nothing that tells you what's open or where to eat. 624 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:14.320 So we're trying to unite everybody so at least there can be a central source 625 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.159 of information, even if it's just our tour that tourists can kind of figure 626 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:21.360 out where to go so it's easy for them because I don't want them to 627 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.639 regret coming here. So that's kind of why it's important to mash everybody together 628 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.400 as well instead of being our own island. And so every day we're building 629 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:37.679 up our virtual visitor center on our website every day NonStop, well easily sometimes 630 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:43.880 well I appreciate eight you guys taking the time to come on here and tell 631 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.079 us some stories, and honestly, next time I'm in the area, because 632 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:51.199 how do you go to Arizona every now and then? I get some friends 633 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.920 there, I'm probably going to have to stop by Bisbee. Never really considered 634 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:59.679 it before, to be honest, I have reason, so we're good. 635 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:01.960 That seems to be the case of most people who visit Busbey. Yeah, 636 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.639 they're just like, well, we don't have a Disneyland, so we might 637 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:10.760 as well go to Bisbee because we've done two Bland. There's a guy who 638 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:15.360 calls it that, so, um, yeah, come on down. We'd 639 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.039 be happy to show you around and stuff and take you to some of the 640 00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.079 places and uh, you know, if there's any local characters, you could 641 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.800 probably just do little interview snippets and stick them on your on the podcast. 642 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:29.159 I'd be cool too. I don't tour, we interact with some of the 643 00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.159 locals, which means every tour gets a unique little bonus. Yeah. I've 644 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.239 done tours where some guy was like, you want to see my house, 645 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.000 okay, and we all go an the house and like it's beautiful, or 646 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.719 like one guy was renting out the top of the one of the castles in 647 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:45.920 County. It was like, hey, you want to see the top floor 648 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.079 like going to see a whole tour. Yeah, and the whole tour just 649 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.280 went up and we got to see it. So like people are there are 650 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.039 very really opening on a tour. You never know where we're going to go 651 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:58.639 or end up. I like that. It's pretty awesome. Now, yeah, 652 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.079 we call it. People say that Bisbee is a Mayberry on acid. 653 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:09.119 That all Mayberry. I love it. All right, Well, thank you 654 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:13.559 again. Would you like to say anything before we sign off? Nope, 655 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.760 I want to thank you guys for coming on. And that was some great 656 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:22.039 stories. Any time with more, I'm going to take you up on that. 657 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.719 Awesome Well, thanks, happy us on pleasures all on this side of 658 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:30.760 the microphone. I love hearing about history, whether it's towns or hauntings or 659 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:36.840 wild wet pretty much anything. I'm honestly like you on the podcast that I 660 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:42.880 do. I'm very very peculiar about the historical fact. Specifically, even if 661 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.280 I'm covering a haunting on my other podcast, if if the history doesn't match 662 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:52.159 the story, it really really bothers me. Yeah, it's like I can 663 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:57.320 appreciate the fact that you actually try to be historically accurate. Well, thank 664 00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.679 you. Yes, it's quite a bit of work, but it's it's important 665 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.079 because you know, at the end of the day, like the ghosts are 666 00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:06.320 fun and stuff, but these aren't also people and how they built the stuff 667 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.920 that came before us. And I mean, yeah, it's important just to 668 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.639 be to be honest about the people being people. We strive to respect all 669 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:19.360 the residents of Bisbee, living or dead. That is all right. So 670 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.360 all right, well, I guess enjoy the rest of your Saturday. And 671 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.280 again I appreciate you guys coming on. Thank you very much. Thanks great 672 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:30.400 to talk to you guys. All right, have a good one, all 673 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.880 right, bye bye. All right, that was cool. Yeah, I 674 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.320 like that, man, that was pretty That was pretty cool. Sounds like 675 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.880 a really interesting town. Yeah. I was looking at pictures of it and 676 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:46.639 those steps just like creep around the town like because nothing there is straight. 677 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.599 Well, after you guys started talking about that, I actually was over here 678 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.679 googling too and looking at pictures and it was like, holy crap, man, 679 00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.760 it's just like it looks like it's just on the side of a mountain 680 00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:05.000 or yeah, just kind of built in. I had never even thought of 681 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.880 ever going there, but it's it looks like a place I would love. 682 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.199 I know, dude, I was looking at pictures. I was like, 683 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.519 Wow, that is a beautiful little town man or I shouldn't say a little 684 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.199 town, but yeah, it's freaking pretty nice. Man. It's like I 685 00:49:21.280 --> 00:50:29.119 never even can considered ever going there. M hm hm Planet in I aver 686 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:45.800 minute, a minute, minute of minute plant. I have a bed of 687 00:50:45.840 --> 00:51:42.559 a minute and a minute minute