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Well, Max, we tried.
I've been standing here in front of my

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you know, Bertie said maybe at
eight o'clock today. I've been standing here

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live, ready to go since seven
point thirty. Uh, we gotta get

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going on this so we'd have reports
coming out everything else. Oxmell merger official.

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Still waiting on the league's announcement.
But I think we have enough to

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go on here. How are you
doing, Max? I'm doing great?

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But this is this whole will won't
we actually say anything on the record through

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our actual press releases instead of sending
things off to reporters for them to say

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so that we can say, oh, it didn't happen if we want to.

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Isn't very annoying. Yeah, we're
waiting here, like I said,

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supposedly, you know, waiting non
official announcement. Today. We have Ben

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Fisher, who I trust with my
life, and obviously Mike Mitchell reporting things.

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So I think we have enough to
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terms of what we officially know,
and then kind of what we're expecting in

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terms of maybe the league name and
team members and everything that Mike's reporting not

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officially yet. Like I said,
I don't think you and I talked.

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I don't think Mike puts that out
unless he's feeling pretty good about it.

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But we do know that the XFL
officially finalized. Here with let me get

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this to the top here with Ben
Fisher reporting that is that kind of your

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leading news here? I mean,
at this point, we don't have a

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whole lot else other than what Ben
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I mean there's that sport Co article, but mostly it's just oh, the

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merger, and then there's a bunch
of speculation. Yeah, so bend reporting

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here and let me get this out
is cleared anti trust Monday, I believe

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Sportico reported a league planning to kick
off March thirtieth. That coincides kind of

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what I had heard yesterday kind of
leading up into this, So that feels

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all SYMPATICO. At this point,
I think we were getting close to a

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February kind of deadline here of what
was happening, and we all know with

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Abril, how do you feel about
this? I know Anthony Miller was in

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our chat saying that's the weekend of
the Elite eight NCAA. I mean,

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at least we don't have to deal
with being up against as many rounds.

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The only awkward thing would be Week
one is usually the biggest audience of the

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whole year until the title game,
and you're just sandbagging that during March madness,

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which is a little unfortunate. Yeah, we have this statement here,

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and this is Sportaco had this as
well. We were pleased. We have

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completed the anti trust process in connection
with the proposed merger of the X and

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L and US intend to play combined
season the spring kicking off Saturday, March

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thirtieth. We are now finalizing terms
of the definitive agreement, and we'll share

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more about the new league in the
coming weeks. We do know, and

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then we'll get into this other thing
here. But interesting there. I will

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say, I'm glad we had you
know, my mother wanted to go on

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vacation, my wife and we you
know, we had a cruise here planned.

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Really glad I did kind of plan
my February cruise. I said,

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you know, XFL be Dan regardless, we're going on the crew. Seems

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like my gamble paid off. Yeah, I mean, I think we all

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kind of knew that they were never
going to be able to commit to going

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to one league's timeline. The other
everything's got to be some sort of compromise.

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So you know you're going to miss
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But yeah, so that would be
good. So we have the Mars shot

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over here, and then this is
the interesting thing to me, and we

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obviously have you missed our live stream
here Max and I did last Friday.

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And just also note if anything else
comes out today tomorrow, I know Andy

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Murray standing by here. We can
either do something live tomorrow or pre recorded

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to pay on his schedule. But
uh, we know very little. But

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we do know this per source,
I see XFL CEO rest brand it will

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be the top executive of the new
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What do you make of that?
Because I know we talked last week who's

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in the photos, who's in DC
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film breakdown on that. It's not
as surprise, is it. I mean,

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if we're after looking at those photos, it's like what we all thought

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is that there's a lot of XFL
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lot of USFL people in this photo. Now, I still think be below

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like the very top guys, you're
going to see a lot of people mixing

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about between the two leagues with employees
and stuff. But I mean, there

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aren't a whole lot of the top
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few of them like also work for
Fox. So like, do you need

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them running this new league where you
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XFL's existing executive staff and then let
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Yeah, this, I mean,
this is surprising to me because remember

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there's been you know, rumor circulating
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XFL reached out and they're doing all
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whatever. But my great fear was
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Okay, we're going to add this
to the you know, the USFL

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social media interns played and we're going
to work through this stuff. Having Russ

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Brandon involved, does that give you
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kind of what the leads and the
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I guess it makes me think that
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XFL rules, and there's a greater
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are sticking around are likely to be
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a feeling a lot of these local
market employees still might get shafted with what

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sort of jobs like pay situation wise, they're being shifted on too, because

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everything feels like it's all about out
cutting costs. So I have like a

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little bit more faith, but not
not a lot. I really just kind

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of feel like they've they need to
prove to me why I should believe they're

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actually going to run a functional football
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and we'll get to Mike's reporting here
in terms of the cities and stuff,

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But do you feel I don't know, to me, we've gotten back and

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forth about this in the USFL.
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and it's a little more NFL light
in Fox and we kind of know

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what that's going to look through in
terms of I don't know, having that

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XFL flair to it. I mean, it is Russ involved. I just

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am trying to figure out, like
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is that going to look like?
The vision I mean, your guesses permission

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all we know is that they keep trying

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to cut costs and merge and whatever. But then they don't actually care about,

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you know, building a real fan
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changes. So piggybacking off of Ben's
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Ben's report here we have a Mike
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what I heard yesterday. The growing
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XL is that the new league will
be branded as a UFL, the United

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Football League. We've talked about this, with only eight teams existing in twenty

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twenty four, the remaining markets being
put on posmode. One course source is

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indicated. I said that right when
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of the new merged league will be
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Louis, DC, Birmingham, Michigan
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that people aren't going to be happy
about that. We had talked last week,

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what is it a sea? Mike
put this out kind of what we've

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heard and what we've expected. I
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the government, but what do you
make of this? I mean, I

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don't really care that there's going to
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league or the other, because we, like we talked about last week,

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it's really just down to which league
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in the event, the Houston team
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team. Whatever. That's that's semantics
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which we know which one has more
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anyway, the markets that are being
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the ones you really needed, right, I mean, obviously it would have

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been nice to keep Seattle, but
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the way out in an island away
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that has a massive, expensive NFL
stadium contract that they're putting you like fourth

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or fifth in the selection order of
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Luman cost it time. I mean, I remember Sam Schwartzeen when he would

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come on to talk about the XL
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was off camera, but telling me
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came about. I mean, Luman
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even kind of in the initial plans
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mean, although it would have been
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instead and they went to an even
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empty. This time around would been
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I was talking with my wife Dorothy
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is a closed market now for the
XFL. Like I don't care, right,

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Like I don't. I it's cool
having a dog in the fight.

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We covered the USFL and obviously the
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team, but it's still four hour
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this would be very challenging to go
back into. Let's say we do put

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Seattle on hold and you know,
twenty twenty five, it's like we're coming

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back to Like I feel like this
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I don't see that. The only
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the league survives like five to ten
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thing is serious. I think that's
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And even then, I'm like,
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of busted there because you have to
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stadium where it's just way too big. You have to go to you have

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to go to this NFL stadium,
which is really expensive, and that's your

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only options. We just don't have
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unless you're going down to Tacoma and
playing it like we have a couple of

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nicer high school stadium but there's really
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in a high school stadium as a
pro league. I know, we did

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the minor league baseball embarrassment. We
can't we can't do that again, damn

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we I mean no. Unfortunately,
we have a comment here from John Lewis.

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We'll pull up questions of comments here
and the men that we'll kind of

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get through the initial news. What
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heard the back and forth when Mike
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kind of have the first live stream
here of the marriage. And now we

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have the handshake with Houston belonging to
the Houston belonging to the Gambler's not the

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rough Necks. I have heard,
and it seems at least how Mike is

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listening to the cities here that the
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with the XFL in terms of team
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know I had tweeted out to Mike, you know, because it's five verses

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three here interesting breakdown on that.
I would think that they would want to

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four and four, like you said, just for a peace of mind and

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like we're green to everything. But
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roughnecks in terms of the gamblers.
Yeah, I mean there's not the only

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logical reason to get rid of the
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like petty USFL executive can like feel
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be even who listen, nobody should
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or the other league. The only
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teams we have in the first place, how many stadiums do we have.

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So I was I was sick of
all that pettiness of Oh, the USFL

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is gonna have more teams, Oh
the XFL is gonna have more teams.

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Whatever, Let's just let's just have
a league that works. I'm tired of

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bickering about who has more teams.
Lever Well, it's it's tough too.

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And I was talking to a couple
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kind of I think player are getting
informed and this is all kind of coming

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out. Then you know, people
are kind of okay, what do you

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know? And this is what we
for them? And Mark Thompson, who

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tweets a lot right now, is
talking about training camp in Texas, which

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kind of aligns with what I've heard. You know, players are heartbroken about

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this. I mean, if if
you're a team that's not on this list

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and you're finding out, like I
do you know? Do I have a

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job tomorrow? Do I know what's
going on? Like that to me is

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the biggest focus on this, because
you know, these are players that we're

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told this is business as usual,
We're doing all this and next thing,

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you know, it's kind of like
Fano snap of the finger and half these

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teams are gone like that. To
me, is is the biggest shame with

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this. It's the coaches, it's
the players, it's the staff, you

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know, the ticket sales. Orlando's
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that mean for Corey? Right?
I know some of these people can work

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remote for the XFL, but if
you're a you know, if you're a

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local executive, I don't know,
what what do you do moving on from

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here? That would be very challenging
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right, Corey in particular is one
of those exceptions where he was local and

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someone involved in the national stuff.
But in general, yeah, I mean,

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obviously there's gonna be layoffs. The
one thing that we could see for

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whoever can work remote on these jobs
is that I mean the USFL. I

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don't think the USFL had a very
strong ticketing infrastructure from what I remember.

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So you might see some XL people
who can either move unlikely or or work

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remote or work in the hub for
the ticketing do that and then they fly

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out again to the ticketing events like
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because that's almost over now. But
yeah, I mean, it's definitely not

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gonna be ideal, is it to
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be I don't know, it's hard
not to be critical here, but in

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terms of like if you're working for
one of these leagues and it feels a

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little disingenuous where and this is why
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when they came out, we have
the merger announcement and people you know,

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it's business as usual USFL announcing free
agency and all that stuff. Like if

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you're someone that's worked for one of
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knowing that the XFL is going to
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they're going in wanting to cut down
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where we had heard the reports that
the government wanted more in the USFL and

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XTVEL wanted less, Like, uh, to me, it just feels very

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disingenuous, like, well, no, stick around, we're going to figure

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this out. But we're actively kind
of campaigning. It's like survivor, like

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we're campaigning to get rid of you
while we're also telling you like no,

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I don't worry, you're safe.
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of you. And then with whatever
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around until we decide we're tired of
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spring football. So now I got
a lot of comments on the last stream

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and say max max so negative max
and negative, So let's look at some

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positive share. Let's looking forward,
uh better working together than the part I

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mean, what's the silver lining here
for people? And then we got Chris

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in the Chat with the Dragons very
upset about that Jose comedy. Here,

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let's go Bramos. I'll pull up
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mean, we won't have the cannibalizing
effect. So there's that whether like the

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however, many like two hundred and
fifty thousand people who intersects between the XFL

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and USFL audience that were pulling away
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on the same weekend, So there's
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real marketing message for a league that
can actually be promoted fully instead of like

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half baked halftime commercials during some college
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your reach marketing on the NFL shouldn't
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time, the regular season is not
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you haven't even announced how many teams
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name of the league or anything other
than the kickoff date. I mean,

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we're four months away from pick off, and there's a lot of things that

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do not seem put together at all, and I am highly skeptical. I

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have Mike's posting our group chow we
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because there's a couple of quotes on
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message. You know, now,
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the UFL here, you know,
Rest brand and our Lord and savior.

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This was out the league staff today. Team, you may have seen stories

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or social media posts this morning regarding
an update on our potential merger with the

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USFL. We're pleased to have completed
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the proposed merger and intend to play
a combined season the spring, kicking off

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on Saturday, March thirtieth. We're
in now finalizing terms definitive agreement share more

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a very similar right to the to
the press quote given out to bandon Sportico.

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But interesting now to have that be
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least at some point so teams people
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it's it's it's just funny how the
the people that I bet the employees

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found out from Twitter and from reporters
before they found out from RUSS because that

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seems to be something that's happening a
lot lately with a lot of these leagues

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and like sports in general, but
with something as much of a magnitude that's

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changing their employment like this, not
having the heads up of like for real,

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like maybe they got a hint,
but not having the official put put

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it down word until four months out, Like we are literally one hundred,

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like one hundred and twenty maybe give
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March thirtieth, and they these guys
still don't know what their job is,

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whether are they going to keep their
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I mean, marlet me. I
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how many days until March thirtieth,
one hundred and twenty one. We also

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have a little bit more breaking news, you see, I like doing like

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this is a good timing coming out
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but Pat trying to call me this
morning. I'm like bad, I'm standing

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by I get her the live here. This is for Danny Garcia's Instagram,

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very similar on that, but Danny
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because I had her I had her
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haven't been refreshing that since we came
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out that way because obviously, oh
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her exit or Twitter account, her
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anti elong musk and all that,
but here, yes, per pad and

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it can congaborate this on here at
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this way. I'm glad there's been
an official statement by a league, by

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a league personnel that isn't to a
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person on their own accounts, their
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nice if we had that on the
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like the both of their leagues and
their websites, Like where's the press release?

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Like, come on, we need
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something looking on I'm looking on the
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So we're slowly trying to get the
word out here. Does this give you

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more or less confidence in terms of
the communications of these leagues moving forward?

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How this has rolled out today?
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at the bottom. I mean,
the bar is already you know, you

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know, in heck or whatever.
I don't want. Yeah. No,

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the last thing we have here is
over the bill, the Billy social media,

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the billy social media impressions for twenty
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But this is good. So we
have that with Pat. So Danny's

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put that out. I don't know
if the Rocks put that out. I

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don't know if that's the most Again, like I shouldn't have to have eighteen

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Google Chrome tabs open to try to
figure out like who is sharing information about

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this? Incredibly Imagine if you're a
fan of either of these leagues and you're

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waking up today and discovering that your
team has probably gone I mean, and

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you still don't know that for sure. Yeah, if you're a Houston Roughnecks

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fan, yeah there's a Uston team, but like you don't really know whether

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it's gonna be the Roughnecks or the
Gamblers yet, do you? So until

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they say it, you know,
so we're all thinking, right, there's

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so much uncertainty that just doesn't need
to be there. And also the coming

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weeks does that mean two weeks?
Does that mean four weeks? Does that

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mean six weeks? Like how long
are they gonna string and then there's supposed

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to be like training camp for this
is gonna have to be like in February.

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So like if we wait to announce
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what what is there gonna be dispersal
draft behind closed doors in a smoke filled

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room and we're not gonna find out
about it until they announce. How many

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teams? I mean, there's just
so many. How is all this supposed

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to get put together? If you're
not even gonna tell us what's going on

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for several more weeks. It's just
how am I supposed to believe in this?

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I just don't. I mean,
it's clearly happening, But how am

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I supposed to believe this is gonna
work? I just yeah, I'm seeing

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I'm seeing a lot of comments here
in the you know, people even the

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like people think you're negative out.
I think Max and I are at the

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point where I think there's some realism
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it's like, it's it's not good
news that have these teams are going to

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go away, right, It's not
these it's not good news of these players.

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My question. And I was talking
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You know, it's like, what
do I do? Right? Am

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I going to Canada? Am I
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I mean, do you think that, uh? Do we redrafted the leftover

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players to the other eight teams?
What do you like? We're so full

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now, we've done showcases, we've
done all this stuff, Like what happens

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to those guys? Well, I
mean you'd had to think there'd be a

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dispersal draft, yeah, I mean, otherwise you're you're giving up all the

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top talent from your other teams and
just saying, oh, you know,

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we're just going to keep our teams
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I mean, obviously, if you
want to infuse talent back into the teams

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that are left, you're going to
take the top players from all the teams

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that are left and then cut out
all the bottom guys. And that might

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result in a you know, ten
percent better football product, but it sure

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is going to be heartbreaking for those
other guys whenever they got nowhere to go,

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and you know, maybe you know
what, technically, maybe they end

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up in the Arena League. Maybe
that actually ends up being serious. You

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never know. I mean, that's
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pay. It's it's still not a
deal. Yeah, I saw a tweet

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about that, so I don't know
if that was Mark or someone like,

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oh, well, now this means
collectively we're you know, they're they're going

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to have more resources, right,
bigger rosters and more money. I don't

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think that's necessarily And I don't know
if we talked about that on the last

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stream, Like, I don't see
it was kind of like when the AAF

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went the way in Vince mcpam with
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quote was we like why wish why
should we play these players more like we

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there's no competition, Like I don't. I mean, I see wages staying

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the same, certainly, I don't
see that increasing. I hope they can

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keep I hope they can give them
as much money as the XFL was giving

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them while keeping a lot of the
some of the extra benefits coverage the USFL

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had in a couple of small areas, and that they can work out something

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with the union. But yeah,
I'm not expecting a pay increase at all,

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our roster size increase. I'm hoping
they stick with the XFL roster size,

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and they don't decide to go down
to the USFL roster size because that

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would be quite upsetting. I have
a bigger question here. But first off,

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yeah, in terms of the union, and we talked about like,

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how are how are they? You
know, what are the players? I

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was talking to you, so yeah, we have they were USFL. Excuse

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me. They said, you know, there's you know, protections in place

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right with our CBA and all of
that. And obviously the XFL voted not

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to be on this, you know, not to unionize last year. Uh.

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I'm just curious how that's going to
work with you know, where you

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have these two entities coming together and
part half protection. I don't know what

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that looks like. I don't think
you can have it where part of them

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maunt of protection. I think they're
going to decide whether to unionize the whole

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league or abandon the union. I
don't know how you could have a union

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for a for three eighths of the
league. It doesn't make any sense.

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That would just create a nightmare for
agents and for players and for the It

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would be bad for everyone. If
the holy it must be either the whole

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league is unionized or nobody's unionized.
There's no other way for this to work.

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I was thinking about this last night
when I was getting the news that

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you know, this was coming today. So right, we've talked and the

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XFL lost all this money, and
we can go into you know, the

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USFL did make money. They didn't
make money. I mean, I have

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my thoughts on that with bookkeeping,
and we talked about that. But if

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we're doing this model, right,
so presumably we're doing the XFL, we

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got the Arlington, Mark Thompson's talking
about training camp in Texas, we're doing

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the you know, we're going to
the cities, right, Like, how

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does that save a lot of money? Like? Where where is the cost

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savings here? From what the XBL
did last night? Is it just well,

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we don't have to fly to Seattle
and pay luman Field, right,

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we don't have to go to cash
Man. That wasn't costing a lot.

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Like, you know, we can
bust the players in Texas, we can

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do the like, where is the
cost savings here? The cost savings is

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going to be? And however they
can do the wrangling that Fox did where

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they have oh this is someone we
already hired and now they're just going to

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do double duty for the US for
the UFL or whatever they need this new

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league because apparently they don't want to
keep an established brand, they just want

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to start over whatever. And then
on top of that, you have the

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ability for all your Fox games,
you can now own your advertising revenue directly.

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So if that's if half of them
are on Fox, that's a significant

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revenue increase for the new league compared
to not owning it at all. And

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then you still get your production costs
covered from the ESPN side, plus whatever

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insteatives you can hang on too from
that deal, so you can get a

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little bit more revenue that way,
or maybe even a lot of bit,

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I guess, because that's probably the
main reason in the USFL turned a profit

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from the revenue side, quote unquotes, because they were counting Fox's revenue as

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their own revenue. But I mean, outside of that, it's probably really

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not going to be a massive cost
cut cost cut down outside of how are

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they can fined to have even less
employees, right or have even less office

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space or whatever, because I'm trying
to figure that out right, and obviously

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we don't have a look at the
books, but you know, this is

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is the XFL business model and getting
rid of some of the some of them

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maybe poor performing teams. I mean
Seattle was fine, but like we've talked

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about it, the cost for that
and everything else, I don't know.

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To me, that feels it just
doesn't feel like there's enough to be done

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there to go through all these hoops
to get to that point. The only

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the only thing, I mean,
like I said, the only way this

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is this really pays off is if
they decide to say, hey, we're

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going to cut off the the weakest
of the bunch, and then we're going

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to put our foot down and actually
be serious with the whoever we have left.

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You know, if they do all
the local marketing they need to do,

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if they do the national marketing,
even on this tight timeline, I

407
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:12.319
mean, I don't think the numbers
are going to be explosive or anything,

408
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.920
but at least we can say,
hey, they try, they're being respectable,

409
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.839
they're building something. I have a
comment air from Blake is a UFL

410
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.480
confirmed as eighteen is confirmed. The
lessons really from the league. I agree

411
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.960
with you absolutely, and we've got
scrutiny on all this. This is the

412
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.279
same that I had heard going back
to when we when I landed in Canada

413
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:34.880
whenever that was for the Gray Cup
stuff. I was sitting at the reporter

414
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:40.400
suite that night and got this message
and it was conveyed to me that hey,

415
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.559
look this, and you know,
none of these reports that have gone

416
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:45.160
out, none of the Neil Stratt
and stuff, none of everything, have

417
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.519
talked about this like it's because you
know, they didn't know what was going

418
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.359
on. And da da da da
da. This was echoed again to me

419
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.200
yesterday. And obviously Mike has his
sources as well, So this feels as

420
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:57.920
close as we have at this point. But obviously everything's with the grain of

421
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:02.000
salt. We do know the march
that we do know the official finalization.

422
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.200
Yeah, And I mean, you
know, it's fair to be skeptical about

423
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:11.119
anything at this point, and also
skeptical about how much any of this new

424
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.880
name nonsense is going to work.
I just I keep thinking about the Katie

425
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:21.000
Nolan clip with from BET when she
talked about the UFL when she did the

426
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.599
spring football segment on her Always Late
show like five years ago. Oh yeah,

427
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.839
that was that was hilarious. But
I have to go fetch that because

428
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.680
it's unlisted. But I still have
it saved because I knew I was gonna

429
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.720
want to reference that video again.
What else we have? Yeah, Kyle

430
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.519
know that it won't be starting after
we got to the super Bowl, Marsh

431
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.640
and that's that's per rest and everything
else. We have everything on that.

432
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.680
We had a comment here about oh, Scott, and Scott has been messaging

433
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.279
to me a lot about this.
More teams like to be added twenty twenty

434
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.359
five and beyond there on Plaz.
That's where I get. I just have

435
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.440
trouble with all of this, and
you're asking a lot of faith with everybody.

436
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.799
I know, you know, we
don't want to be negative Nancy too

437
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.759
much on here. But like I
asked the Tampa Bay bandits ask that fan

438
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:06.240
base how that's working. It's when
you put things on pause, you're out.

439
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.119
You know you're shaking your head here, Max, Yeah, I mean

440
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:12.200
I believe when I see it.
First off, for twenty twenty five in

441
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:18.920
particular. But second off, why
would you divert your Your whole goal of

442
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.440
the whole time has been cutting costs. You're not gonna get profitability with whatever

443
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.519
new setup you have out the gate
right away, So why are you going

444
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.440
to divert your attention from building up
the leagues the teams you're actually playing on

445
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.000
keeping to then add more teams and
then add more costs, and then you're

446
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.200
gonna sink yourself in deeper before you've
even built up what you already had.

447
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.920
I don't think we're getting any more
teams until they can prove they can keep

448
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.519
an eighteen league running smoothly and actually
making money and all that. I just

449
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.640
don't see why you would do that. Yeah, just in pointing that here

450
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.160
yet Seattle's the big savings. But
again, like this, this is a

451
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.599
lot of hoop jumping to save some
stadium leases and stuff. Like you said,

452
00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.400
it must have been more cost savings
rolled into them being able to control

453
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.279
the content going to the consumer and
all of that. But it feels like,

454
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.799
I don't know, I guess it
feels like it's a little bit wonky

455
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.359
at this point. Yeah, I
really think the main reason if they're serious,

456
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:17.200
which I don't think they are,
but if they are serious about actually

457
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.359
trying to make something real, then
it's going to be because they want to

458
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.839
start over and they just feel like
there's too much of a negative perception around

459
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.519
some of the bottom of their teams. Or the teams that never had stadium

460
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.960
leases. So let's just start anew
And that's if you're optimistic and you believe

461
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.920
they're actually going to build a serious
football league. Yeah, Louci poet On

462
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.440
here says, twenty twenty five is
too early. Give them through the five

463
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:45.759
years, you know it, as
they all got one year under their belt

464
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.799
here. I mean, this is
and they're you know, and I like

465
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.079
more comments about expansion, and video
is about expansion, and the article is

466
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.440
about expansion. We can't even get
through one of these things without feeling halfway

467
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:03.200
decent about it. I don't get
the point of expanding if you can't even

468
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.680
build a league that works with what
you already started with. Just I mean,

469
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.720
I know MLS did something like that, but they had like billions of

470
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:18.319
dollars of capital and belief and funding. And also they had like the unique

471
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:26.519
advantages of owning the rights to the
US national team marketing rights. That was

472
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.079
how they got owners in the door. There's no unique special advantage to investing

473
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.680
in the XFL, Like there's no
secret back toward advantage to that. So

474
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:38.640
I just I'm not like an expansion
a time soon. We have another comment,

475
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.920
I got some more highlighted. I'm
a bit disappointed. I think it's

476
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.440
the best viable option versus the fan
dream options. I'm hopeful that coming together

477
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.079
gives them a slid base with more
resources and progress moving forwards, you know,

478
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.960
and I agree here. I mean, certainly we saw the opposite of

479
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.240
this, so I think that this
was bound to happen, and we had

480
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:01.920
said obviously originally with all this stuff
was reported that that like, we expected

481
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.400
this down the road. It's certainly
not in year two of the XFL.

482
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.279
Yeah, I mean I expected it
down the road before they all did.

483
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.880
They all started. I thought one
league was just going to decide and I

484
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.839
we'll just take from the other.
But what ended up happening is that both

485
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:21.000
of them were run so poorly in
different ways that they just kind of cut

486
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.400
off all of their bad parts from
each other and gave and we'll take give

487
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:30.400
it our best shot with whatever was
good, maybe a little good. I

488
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.200
don't know how good some of this
is. Some of these teams are still

489
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:37.839
not We're not doing this a lot, but we know better and we'll try

490
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:45.400
again. They had to. We
have a comment here, whereas Andy Here's

491
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.920
got expansion will be based on owners
Does this feel like this? But I

492
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.279
mean, does this feel like a
stop gap? Now? Who we talked

493
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.920
about this last time and kind of
passing along this baby, and now we're

494
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.920
getting to this point like we're just
hopitated we need to get to someone to

495
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.680
take over some of these expenses.
Does this feel like a bridge now to

496
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.519
getting people involved in terms of getting
the ownership on there. I don't know

497
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:13.160
how this merger is going to make
people want to be involved. What's going

498
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.839
to make people want to be involved
is that they can see you're actually getting

499
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:22.519
real traction and real fans. So
if you're going to do that and you

500
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:28.440
get them, then you'll get owners. But until then, people are just

501
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.079
going to look at you like,
oh, that's that football league that people

502
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:37.319
only kind of care about and the
owners don't even care about, So why

503
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:42.440
would I want to buy into some
part someone like that? Arthur hopping on

504
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.400
here asking you know, what's the
name of the league? Mike Mitchell reporting

505
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.400
going to be the UFL. That's
similar to what I've heard that we've seen

506
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.279
the trademarks files and all of that. A lot of people watching right now.

507
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.599
Hopefully you can like and subscribe if
you're not imagine most people joining us

508
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.799
right now. But we have like
one hundred people watching Max. Not too

509
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.079
bad for like him and him and
and Han around here for an hour and

510
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.519
a half trying to figure out what
we wanted to do. So I appreciate

511
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.799
everyone enjoying it. But yeah,
I get subscribe on that. I didn't

512
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.480
have funny. This is just funny
on here from a coach uh sipping jama

513
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.480
juice outs I let's remember definitely saying
the USFL we're gonna be with the unvel

514
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.559
in a few years. I'm some
wondering who the hell told him that?

515
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:23.840
And then like that video was pulled
down immediately. It's a clown show,

516
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.800
it really is. I mean,
I think we've known for a long time.

517
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:30.559
With these new leagues, everything is
kind of a bit of a clown

518
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:36.599
show with everybody up top, so
you know, not not surprising anymore.

519
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.199
It's all a joke. Tpjos have
starting with eight teams with fuel interest and

520
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:45.280
expansion instead of starting with teetering teams
and fan bases. It's tough to me

521
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.400
because we've lived through this, right, I don't know what the I don't

522
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.480
know what the like the casual you
know, I can tell you like my

523
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.000
Seattle I've told you this before my
Seattle season ticket holders, like they're just

524
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:58.559
waiting for their money back at this
point. They're very over this, Like

525
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:00.679
I don't know what the casual things, Oh, this is a new exciting

526
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.599
venture versus okay, this is you
know, collapse of two into one.

527
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.400
I don't know what the casual will
think of that. Most of the interests

528
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.800
and expansion is not well. I
mean, I'm sure if you if the

529
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.280
XFL or UFL is viewed as serious
or interest and expansion, But most of

530
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.960
the interest and expansion is really just
the kind of people that are like that,

531
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.920
like love hypotheticals for like all sports. They'll be like, oh,

532
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:35.599
realignment pack twelve, realignment, everything
that happened with that disaster, or the

533
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:44.719
MLS expansion hypotheticals or MWSL or PLL
or NLL or whatever. I don't think

534
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:50.079
I think people underest me how the
viral the virality of expansion content has nothing

535
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.760
to do with actual interest in your
league. It just is all talking about

536
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:59.679
a sports league. They don't actually
really care about your league. I had

537
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.639
a'm here and then that I want
to get to something else with the teams.

538
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.880
I'm Duelscott this if it's the USFL
dater f Leavage is the happiest person

539
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.239
in the world right now. You
don't he wrote it out. He never

540
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.320
had to get rid of the handle. He's he didn't have to be bothered

541
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:21.119
anymore. Xavier is probably very happy
out of this. He survived two xfls

542
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.239
and still use your name. And
the other funny thing is now everyone's just

543
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.480
going to confuse this league for the
video game that's coming out, the Soccer

544
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.440
video game, which by the way, has the exact same branding font as

545
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:37.480
the XFL does, except their f
is slightly different, which I just just

546
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:43.519
think is only going to contribute to
the confusion even more. This is this

547
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.840
is such a mess. Man still
getting DeBie down there? Comments Howey,

548
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:51.400
Max? Sure, that's okay Max. The reason why Max is to be

549
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.639
DeBie down there and here is mexicants
to get his butt up at seven thirty

550
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.400
Pacific and standby while we figure out
going live. So if you want to,

551
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.519
if anyone wants to get up at
seven thirty and stand by for an

552
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:01.760
hour and a half to go live, you're all going to come on here

553
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:07.400
and share your opinion. I have
a question here in terms of the team

554
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.000
alignments and everything. You know,
we go back to even the original USFL

555
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.079
here in twenty twenty two and talking
about, well, you know, we

556
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.840
picked these markets because these are the
trademarks that we had and they were the

557
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.159
ones that were back from the eighties, and we talked at the time like,

558
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.320
well, that doesn't make sense because
you know, twenty twenty three now

559
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.320
we have these. It's kind of
the leftover. There's no real thought or

560
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.559
purpose than just these are the teams
that had stadiums that worked out, like

561
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.880
you know, the three Texas teams, whether it's the Roughnecks or whether it's

562
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.559
the Gamblers, Saint Louis, d
C Birmingham, Like, you're missing a

563
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.559
third of the country here. What
do you make of this alignment without Vegas,

564
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:44.400
Seattle, without Orlando, like very
south, it's very East based.

565
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.519
I mean, you knew it was
coming, right. It was kind of

566
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.760
a necessity that they had to make
it more regional because I'd imagine having so

567
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.719
many teams, having a couple teams
separate from literally the entire rest of the

568
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:04.360
country was just not going to be
sustainable. So I get it. I'm

569
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.840
a little bothered. I mean,
I understand why, but I'm a little

570
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.519
bothered that you're not gonna have a
Florida team. I mean, it's one

571
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:15.800
thing to not have a West coast, but imagine, like among football diehards,

572
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:21.679
I mean, Florida is second to
only Texas often like Florida and Ohio,

573
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.440
I guess, And I mean Ohio
is a weird spot sometimes to put

574
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.519
a team in. So I get
while they're not in Ohio, but not

575
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.679
having a Florida team might bite them
a little bit in terms of building a

576
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.400
fan base of football fans. Although
it be fair, they did such a

577
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.519
bad job in Florida with not only
twenty twenty three, but even twenty twenty

578
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:45.440
was really struggling in Tampa. So
maybe they're just too burned on Florida they

579
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.559
don't want to stick around. I
also find it funny the only of the

580
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.960
remember we're talking about the XFL ownership, how they had their three teams,

581
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:58.079
each one of them was like their
contribution to the new league. And Danny's

582
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.880
team is gone and Jerry's team team
is gone. The only ones that remains,

583
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:07.119
of course, is the Rocks team. I just to me, like

584
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.079
again I'm talking to the USFL stuff
like it just never feels like there's there's

585
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.800
thought through of this, right and
you know the XFL had this already with

586
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:21.119
the three you know, the three
Texas teams, and every single person I've

587
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.199
talked to you like why are there
three teams in Texas? Like, well,

588
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.639
it's because like they're going to be
out based out of there and they

589
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:30.360
can bust people and this whatever.
Like to me, there's never I don't

590
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.199
know if anything, And I know
it's hard and we have a comment here

591
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:38.119
in terms of them keeping the strongest
fan bases where it's it here, but

592
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:43.039
like, I just wish there was
more thought process behind that than just like,

593
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.920
well these are the ones that worked
and no thought of realigning or moving

594
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.199
anything, Like we're just we're keeping
we're keeping the healthiest children and we're throwing

595
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.840
the rest of them out in the
river here. Yeah, I mean the

596
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:58.039
alternative, I mean, the only
way they could have kept more teams or

597
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.400
gone to different markets than what they
are you had, would have been if

598
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.239
they decided to start in twenty twenty
five, because you just don't have enough

599
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.400
time to build a completely new fan
base right now. If you want to

600
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:13.679
launch in four months. I mean
that's you're already. I mean already.

601
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.239
The markets you're keeping, they've been
strung along so much they have no idea

602
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:21.119
what's going on. Nobody in San
Antonio. Here's the thing. Let me

603
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.400
give you some examples. Houston.
No one in Houston has any idea what

604
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.880
is going on with this merger.
You know why no one in Houston is

605
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.559
any idea because they stopped covering this
league months ago. First off. Second

606
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.440
off, there's a head coaching search
going on for one of their big local

607
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.840
college teams. And then on top
of that, in San Antonio, the

608
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.559
big local college team is rumored to
be getting hired potentially for the Houston job

609
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.320
in college. So that's the main
football coverage going on outside of Texas high

610
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:52.000
school playoffs just for example. And
then in some of these other markets,

611
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:58.199
you've completely ditched them ever since the
end of the football season, so they

612
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.280
don't care about covering this merger stuff. They're not going to talk about it.

613
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.800
So how are you going to make
these markets you have left care that

614
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.679
you're coming back whenever they don't even
know that you're coming back. How do

615
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:15.320
you think that, Like Seattle,
Vegas, the USFL Like, how do

616
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.320
you think those departments are going to
handle the fan bases here? We're going

617
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.199
to get an email out saying like
thank you for your support, Like,

618
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.039
how do you think that messaging is
going to go? Because to me,

619
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.440
I mean, I don't think it's
I think it's a lose lose, But

620
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.400
what do you I think it's emails
and maybe a social media posts. I

621
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:38.400
think we might get like how we
had at the end of twenty twenty where

622
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:44.400
we had the guy who's the Bailey
or whatever who would be w Carlin.

623
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:49.360
Yeah, he posted the meme of
the guy like putting his head up been

624
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.880
turning away. Well, I can't
remember, and I don't know if they'll

625
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.159
do the Jake joonall, but I'm
sure they'll do some kind of funny posts

626
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.679
signing off, and then the team
will be dead. There's no graceful way

627
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.679
to handle this, especially for Vegas. Maybe for Seattle you can come up

628
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.119
with some nonsense that makes it seem
like maybe you would want to come back,

629
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.559
but I don't know if anyone's gonna
believe you. The other thing that

630
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.719
fascinates me we haven't talked about yet, what coaching staffs are gonna be kept

631
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.760
in this league. Who's gonna be
transferred to another team? Who's gonna be

632
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.480
cut off? Like, for example, they just hired the Vegas staff.

633
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.159
Are you really gonna cut off the
guy who you just hired away from the

634
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.199
NFL. You're gonna look so bad
to the entire NFL if you if you

635
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.119
hire away one of their boys,
one of their coaches, and then you

636
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.360
fire him before he ever had a
chance to coach, you're gonna look bad.

637
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.480
Well that's yeah, I think that's
a really fair point because we've talked

638
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.400
about obviously the redrafting of you know, some of the leftover players, right

639
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.280
if you were on one of the
teams. But yeah, if you're a

640
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.760
coaching staff, if anything, we
have talked about having like, you know,

641
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.000
one person doing multiple jobs in our
last stream as wise, I mean,

642
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.599
you're certainly not carried over a lot
of those staff either. The USFL

643
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.440
are different contracts, and I think
they were the reporting they come out.

644
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.719
I think it was Mike earlier it
said, you know where the where the

645
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:14.440
USF XFL is a little more long
term contracts, they can get the USFL

646
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.559
guys out a little bit easier.
Yeah, I don't know how you carry

647
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:22.239
that over at this point. Yeah, I'm assuming they just cut off all

648
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:27.960
the old USFL staffs. You know, maybe maybe they want to keep to

649
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.960
Philip to PHILIPO at New Orleans.
Maybe they move them somewhere. But I

650
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:37.199
mean, Houston's staff made the playoffs. You can't cut them off. You

651
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.760
can't cut off the Arlington staff.
You can't cut off the San Antonio,

652
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.840
you know staff, even though they
didn't do that great because they were doing

653
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:49.119
they were one of the better staffs
that actually getting out a local market.

654
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.280
You can't cut You definitely can't cut
off Reggie Barlow. You definitely can't cut

655
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:58.400
off Anthony Beck. You definitely can't
cut off Skip Pulse. I don't think

656
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.400
you can cut off the Memphis staff
either, And then even Horden and Michigan,

657
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:06.960
I don't know how you what are
you gonna do with Levin's and all

658
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.519
these guys that are We're supposed to
have a job in the spring you just

659
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:15.239
hired and you're gonna go This is
all just pressingly messed up. You gotta

660
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.360
get you gotta you can get a
comic hairy kiss again, even ride the

661
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.400
negative tray, Hey, Hey,
that's a good point by Max. So

662
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.159
there, it's not all it's not
all negative on here, uh, Badger

663
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.480
magic. I would rather have an
eight team league that works in the twelve

664
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.679
team league that does it. I
absolutely understand that sentiment. It's just it's

665
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:36.320
it's hard if you're one of the
It's like, what was that show the

666
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.280
Leftovers? Right, Like, it's
hard if you're the leftover, if you're

667
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:44.119
wondering this bath, it's this is
even it's even worse than like the Pac

668
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:49.079
twelve stuff that happened where the poor
Oregon State and Washington State fans lost their

669
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.519
league, but at least they still
have their team. Your team is gone,

670
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.119
like you're done. This is over
and it's fine, Like in terms

671
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:58.960
of from a league building a perspective
to cut off these teams. What's not

672
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.960
fine is how they went about this
and how slow moving they've been, how

673
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:09.519
inefficient they've been, how poorly communicating
they've been. It's been a little bit

674
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:15.599
of a disaster. So maybe they
can recover. I got some more comments

675
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:17.280
here. This is kind of good
viewers. I appreciate. I I like

676
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.440
and subscribe. Get all this stuff
on here. Another one from Bathartanna and

677
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.480
I have a couple of questions on
here they need to listen to as fans.

678
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.239
We know what we want. It's
been my sentiment from the beginning.

679
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.360
I mean, I think a lot
of this coming in and Okay, we

680
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:35.480
know more and it's our money.
Like conversations years ago could have been had

681
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.599
it within negated a lot of this
stuff. So yeah, I mean we're

682
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:39.960
at this point now, we're doing
the best we can. They're trying to

683
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.960
do what I believe. You know, they feel like it is a way

684
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.119
to sustainability. I don't. I
think at some point you got to take

685
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.480
a loss on this. It's challenging. But any other thoughts on that,

686
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.360
it'd be fine if they were carrying
about sustainability, if they also cared about

687
00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:00.320
growth. Do they care about growth? Tell me, I mean it,

688
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.239
sir, it doesn't seem like they
care. I mean, we went through

689
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.559
I wrote up the entire fans Bill
of Wright's document from that was inspired by

690
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:14.440
Aliga did care about growth, and
still you look at every single professional league

691
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:19.599
that isn't a super established major league. They focus on all of those principles

692
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.119
all the time. And it works. If you don't, you fail unless

693
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.800
you're like one of those like internet
leagues or whatever. But if you want

694
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:31.159
to be a serious professional, big
time national broadcast league, you have to

695
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:37.519
focus on like building a fan base
in market. Yeah, let's see her

696
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:44.199
Pat given this giving the dollar super
chat out here, So I will tell

697
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.480
you I got on the I never
asked for any that stuff. I watched

698
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.199
together crack and post show recap lately
because we've just been terrible and it's good

699
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:53.719
to commiserate, like they're getting super
chats all the time, but go,

700
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.760
thanks for this super chat and like, look in there's only like ten people

701
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.480
watching this stream. I'm like,
what the heck? Guys like I never

702
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.199
get in about some of it.
But it's like question, and then we

703
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.000
have one for Mike as well.
But Zach, a longtime listener of the

704
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.199
show, was you're gonna do the
show now that we know that there'll be

705
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.559
no Seattle team, will you still
cover the league the way that you've been

706
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:17.519
with all your expert analysis? My? My, what is it my covering

707
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.840
the league? My dedication to the
league has nothing to do with Seattle team

708
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.400
existing or not. Never has been. I mean obviously originally with the fan

709
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:28.800
base and you know, being with
the Dragons. It will be how the

710
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.119
league is operated and moving forward and
kind of what access we can get.

711
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.480
I know what I've dealt with it
with the USFL before. Like, I

712
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.719
can't spend the next year and a
half banging my head against the wall dealing

713
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.480
with that. But if the rumor
is true and some of the X ANDL

714
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.599
staff or is shifting over the USFL
and kind of doing a lot a lot

715
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.679
of that stuff, that is good. But we'll figure it out. I

716
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.199
had so much fun in Canada for
the Great Cup, it's really hard to

717
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.079
kind of think about pulling back now
entirely. But we'll see. I don't

718
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.719
know what do you make next?
Yeah, I mean I think the access

719
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.960
as long as the I mean,
I don't think you're gonna have Russ involved

720
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.400
in this league and then decide,
oh, we're going to pull away the

721
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.599
access that we were giving. I
mean, you can clearly see that that

722
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.320
aspect gave the XFL a huge boost. I don't think there's any way the

723
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.440
USFL is going to win that argument, especially whenever they're not the guy running

724
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:20.559
the league. It's not Daryl Johnston
running this guy for taken league. At

725
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.159
least there's one thing I'll give Russ
Brandon credit for is that he actually let

726
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:29.760
reporters talk and podcasters talk to players
and some executives and coaches and whatever.

727
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.920
So yeah, also, I would
this hasn't been said officially, or buy

728
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.159
any reporter, but they're not going
to base themselves in the actual markets.

729
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.079
There's no way it's still going to
be the It's still going to be Arlington

730
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.639
because they have a contract with Arlington. First off. Second off, well

731
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:51.719
the XFL side does, but second
off, because it's just obviously more efficient

732
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.760
and effective than trying to do three
hubs or four hubs or whatever. I

733
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.760
mean, I still don't understand how
they ever thought that was supposed to work.

734
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.239
Now that's my understanding as well.
Yes, and that has not been

735
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:06.119
officially put out yet, but my
understanding is Arlington. I guess we already

736
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.800
have Mark Thompson tweeting about like training
camp in Arlington, but or training camp

737
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.639
in Texas. But that is my
understanding. The XFL, which, again,

738
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.679
if you want to circle back to
our conversation, like you know,

739
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.559
what, what kind of cost savians
are we going to have there? In

740
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:22.800
terms of that, we had another
one from Mike did the XFL take the

741
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.599
lead in this merger. He the
XFL teams appeared to be five to three.

742
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.679
We'll see, you know, we'll
see. We talked about the Houston

743
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.119
thing of it. XFL CEO is
in charge, and to go with the

744
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.960
XCEL model of staying base in Arlington
and find out the home cities. It's

745
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.639
a weird reversal from kind of what
the understanding of the situation was from before.

746
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:42.760
Correct. Yeah, I mean,
I think what they came to realize

747
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.079
was that they did the XFL did
a better job of running football than USFEL

748
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:52.519
did, which I think was obvious
from the jump. But and then I

749
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.280
know, I know, Scot's fire. Whatever, it's the truth, y'all.

750
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.440
Mean, I don't know what to
tell you. Whenever you can get

751
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.079
a better AUDI against with less exposure, even if it's marginal, it's just

752
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:08.400
the truth. And then on top
of that, generally the reviews for the

753
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:14.599
quality of play was better for one
league than the other. But anyway,

754
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.760
it's not that much of a surprise
to me to see that the XFL executive

755
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.800
side one is on top. But
I don't think it's because the XFL took

756
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:28.400
the lead. I think it's just
the ownership group decided we have we can't

757
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.119
maintain two executive teams for one league. We're gonna have to You can either

758
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:36.239
pick and choose people from both,
which I think they will. I just

759
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.760
think ultimately it to pick someone to
run the ship. And one did a

760
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:45.599
heck of a lot better running the
ship than the other, and there's just

761
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.320
no way you can you can keep
the other one. Also, on top

762
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:54.280
of just the way they ran the
league, Darryl sometimes said the wrong things

763
00:50:54.360 --> 00:51:00.320
to the media and got the leagues
and a bunch of fights and whatever and

764
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.119
made the made the pr look bad. And then he would admit how he

765
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.039
was embarrassed by their ratings. Like
I get you want someone honest, but

766
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.639
you don't want someone putting out a
negative picture. Whenever you want someone saying,

767
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.079
hey we did we didn't do good
enough, you want them to say,

768
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.079
hey, here's we think we can. We need to fix what we

769
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.559
were doing, not be like,
hey, where I'm shocked and sad that

770
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.760
we have lower ratings in the other
league. Just basically what Daryl said.

771
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:27.800
He was like disappointed, Uh,
yeah, are you surprised in that?

772
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.760
And I guess, well, you
know, we'll get an official statement at

773
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.440
some point from the USFL. But
Daryl, it seems to be it wasn't

774
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.079
like we talked, wasn't in those
but like that was the guy. I

775
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.239
mean, are you surprised as he
just go back to doing Fox commentating.

776
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:44.519
I mean that seems like a weird
he was such or their life blood of

777
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.599
kind of the USML side of it. It's I mean, like I said,

778
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:51.000
they had to pick somebody, and
one guy did a better job than

779
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.360
the other guy. Not not to
think Rust did that great because he did

780
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.800
not, but uh, the other
guy did worse. So that's fired against

781
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.079
Russ Brandon. No, Rust had
better. They picked paid. You said

782
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:05.159
you didn't do a great job.
Well, obviously that's why we're in this

783
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.480
position. I mean, would we
be in this position if if the if

784
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.159
the XFL was ran so well,
no, we're in this position because the

785
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:16.159
XFL was ran poorly. Let's be
honest about this. We don't need to

786
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:21.639
run from that. It's the truth, mister Dwantown. That's a question here.

787
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.639
It looks like inn even four or
four teams for the league. Yeah,

788
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:28.239
we do we do, But do
we what do we do with the

789
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.159
Houston because that seems to be the
sticking point here. Tell you that the

790
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:34.519
Roughneck staff was more successful than the
Gambler staff, and I'll leave it at

791
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.760
that. You tell me, tell
me one reason why you should keep the

792
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.039
Gambler staff over the Roughneck staff whenever
they were more successful in every metric.

793
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:50.480
I certain movestash villain would probably disagree
with you. Whatever, we have a

794
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.239
question here, David By starring March
thirty. It's four months from now.

795
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.960
This EMRGIN league doesn't have a lot
of lee time. Honestly, I thought

796
00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:00.599
they wouldn't merge until twenty twenty five. Yeah, Like, see how this

797
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.880
is kind of rolled out today.
And we talked about this from the very

798
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.960
beginning when the official merger like intent
to mergers put out and we went through.

799
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.599
We have the eight different messagings from
all the you know, we have

800
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.519
the USFL season ticket holder messaging and
the XFL season ticket holder and the players

801
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.960
for the like. Is there enough
time here to get all these knuckleheads to

802
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.280
work together? If they announced everything
today, I would say yes. They

803
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:28.840
did not announce everything today. They
did not announce really almost anything today,

804
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.119
like officially, unofficially, we know
they've basically decided they just have to hammer

805
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.159
out how they're going to show it, I guess. But waiting three or

806
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:47.400
four or five weeks two handle like
showing who's sticking around in your league,

807
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:55.320
that's a lot of time when you
do not have much. So I will

808
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.880
say we had a question here to
get to this. Imagine we've also interviewed

809
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.880
met Mike Mitchell. I was like
his insights, I'll do my best.

810
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.159
Mike's like, like, all this
has a lot of personal Everyone's got a

811
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.400
lot of personal stuff. So we'll
see I want I want to give Mike,

812
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:14.760
and he's balancing all this stuff while
steely with everything. So we will

813
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:16.880
do our best. Uh if nothing
else, you know, we'll we'll we'll

814
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:20.840
get the professor or whoever on here. We'll figure out. But yeah,

815
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:22.719
the best working through that. And
I know that this isn't even an ideal

816
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.599
day today for all this to come
down for Mike. And I promise you

817
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.800
that when and if anybody gets to
talk to Mike on a show. He's

818
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:35.000
not feeling too great about all this
either. You've seen what he said so

819
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.760
far publicly already he's been lambassing them
too, So don't think this is oh

820
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:43.880
I'm just a negative guy. I
mean, the people who actually work so

821
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.800
hard to cover this league feel the
same as I do. And I'm just

822
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:53.119
somebody who cares as a fan.
Yeah, let's see here, it's got

823
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.280
well. Dean Blandina say it's not
a Dean blind Needo interviewed today. They

824
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.320
were ripping with him with Rich Easen
talking about how like the NFL officiating has

825
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:06.239
ever been to this best or never
it's worse? Yeah, I mean it's

826
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.320
to be fair, they've done some
of their changes and interpretations have made it

827
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:15.000
harder and unnecessary ways. But yeah, they've definitely been struggling. But yeah,

828
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:19.400
I would think it's Blandy. No, he's more charismatic. He he

829
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:24.440
understands better how to how to implement
all this my mic for U into my

830
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:31.519
life for impression. Yeah, and
just in general, you can't keep both,

831
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.559
right, you have to keep one. You're gonna pick the guy who

832
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.199
was better than the other guy.
It's the same reason why they're keeping Russ

833
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:43.039
over Daryl. They're they're going to
keep Dean over Mike. It's it's you

834
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.599
got to pick one. It's pretty
obvious which guy was a better guy.

835
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:50.199
Sorry, that is Okay, I
wanted to make sure here there wasn't anything

836
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:54.000
else on the the bord Coo article. Was there anything else from that besides

837
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.960
the statement that Ben Fisher had as
well, anything else you wanted to get

838
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.360
you on this? I mean,
there's loads of speculation about what they have

839
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:08.880
to do and whatever, but there's
no reporting on like what like anything else

840
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:14.519
they know. Right, it's a
whole lot of like how do le already

841
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:20.800
did, what factors made them suffer, what things they had to do with

842
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:24.840
the union. It's all just opinion
after that in speculation. I thought this

843
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:30.960
was interesting regulators because there was obviously
to talk about the downsize and the teams

844
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.960
and all that. Regulators prefer more
opportunities for consumers to enjoy a particular product

845
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:38.840
or service. In terms of them
reducing that to me was surprising because I

846
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.840
know there was a sticking point on
that. Well, I mean, it's

847
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.519
not surprising to hear them say that
because they wanted them more teams, right,

848
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:50.599
it was a whole thing we're hearing
about. But I would argue if

849
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:57.679
the league's got onto either entirely or
like you know, three fifths, you

850
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:02.519
know, broadcast television and the other
two fifth is ESPN Maine. You you've

851
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:08.519
done the job both providing more opportunities
because you've actually made the games accessible and

852
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:12.840
not just in a oh I have
it way, but oh I recognize I

853
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:16.840
know where to find that way.
So yeah, it says here it's not

854
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.920
clear. We were still waiting on
the brocket, you know, not clear

855
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.800
how the new entity teams will be
watched. We've talked about that and NBC

856
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:28.400
potentially getting out. I found that
this likely aided the XBLS and USL's proposal

857
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.000
is support track record of spring pro
football in the US. The xbl started

858
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:36.639
and so several times the A it
was interesting here they also quoted Mark and

859
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.480
then Steffan here with talking about the
salaries and all of that. Yeah,

860
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:43.400
curious to be and we talked about
that earlier in the show, like how

861
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.079
this ufl PA, you know,
different pay structures, different bonus structures,

862
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:50.159
you know, there's a lot of
different things. I mean, we did

863
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:54.079
the whole breakdown about that member back
with Andy here last year. Yeah,

864
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:58.920
it's going to be a mess.
It's it's a spider web octopus mess.

865
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:00.639
You I have no idea how they're
going to handle this. So they're going

866
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:06.559
to come to some sort of agreement
or some there's gonna be If they don't

867
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.119
come to agreement, there's gonna be
some sort of dispute over whether the union

868
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.920
six around or not. If they
don't come to an agreement. Either way,

869
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:16.599
this is going to be incredibly difficult
and messy and frustrating and confusing.

870
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:20.519
No one's gonna have any idea what's
going on. Oh, by the way,

871
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.039
we're kicking off one hundred and twenty
one days. No big deal.

872
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.679
Oh my god. Yeah, I'm
looking here. We have David at the

873
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:30.280
end of the day. The purpose
of a merger is to create Synery,

874
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.679
something greater than some of its parts. I'm optimistic that the new product will

875
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.440
be bigger and better. And then
we have Scott on here. I'm glad

876
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.880
Birmingham did survive. They will keep
the same team makeup. They had great

877
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.679
chemistry going on. I mean,
you have to imagine, right, carrying

878
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:49.079
over the teams, redrafting the leftovers. I don't know. I mean,

879
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.039
if your players do you cut bait
At this point to me and Pat was

880
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.679
talking to our group chat like,
you know partraffino. Yeah, the promise

881
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:59.559
is we'll add more teams in twenty
twenty four, twenty twenty five. Like

882
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:01.440
if if you're twenty eight years old, are you sitting around here for another

883
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:06.159
couple of years waiting? Like do
you just move on? I think if

884
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:08.000
you know for a fact that you
were one of the best players on your

885
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.559
team that you got is getting rid
of you, you wait around. Like

886
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.400
if you were getting consistent playtime and
you were performing well, or if you

887
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:21.480
when you played occasionally but you were
injured a lot, you were really good,

888
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:23.320
or you just have a really strong
reputation compared to most of the other

889
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.679
players in the pool. I think
you you wait and see if you can

890
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.840
get drafted and dispersal draft. If
you're not one of those guys, you

891
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:36.000
cut bait, or you go to
the Arena League or the Indoor League or

892
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.960
NAL or the CFL if you can
get lucky enough to get a training camp

893
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:45.239
spot there, or you just go
home. And I think a lot of

894
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.000
these guys will just go home.
At the bottom of those leftover teams who

895
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.920
got cut off, I think the
pr Pigston there's a reason they went to

896
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.639
the trouble of changing the name,
just because the teams have been selectly doesn't

897
00:59:55.639 --> 01:00:00.559
mean the coaching staffs. So the
players are safe at least with the I'm

898
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:01.199
here, you know, I know
we talked about that, but like,

899
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:07.119
I don't know, you say there's
just a way of cuts and everyone goes

900
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.400
home. I mean, I mean, i'd imagine for whoever players they don't

901
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.960
keep. Yeah, they're basically cut
for not a special draft. But like,

902
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.920
you can't switch around staffs for most
of these markets because most of these

903
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.880
markets had effective coaching staffs. Think. Oh, by the way, speaking

904
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.800
of cut off coaching staffs, Seattle
was a top four, top three staff

905
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.280
in your league. They in the
XFL. They don't have a team now,

906
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.199
so are you going to move them
to Detroit maybe and then cut off

907
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:37.360
Hordon. I mean, the Seattle
staff has a guaranteed contract and the Detroit

908
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:42.840
staff does not, so you would
make there's gonna be all these sorts of

909
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:50.239
conversations and then the obviously there's no
guarantees. But for most of these markets

910
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.440
that you're keeping, you need to
keep the staffs you already have because unless

911
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:57.760
you're transferring staff from another team that
you're cutting off, you don't have time

912
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:00.559
to hire a new coaching staff,
right, now, you just don't have

913
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:05.199
the time for this. You only
have four months. Like, you can't

914
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.239
possibly expect someone to hire a coaching
staff from scratch in a couple of months,

915
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:12.119
then go and play training camp in
February and kick off a league at

916
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:15.280
the end of March. That's unfair. Yeah, Pat's got a We're gonna

917
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.400
I got Pat, I have that
ready to pull up here just to say

918
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.559
in here, even with four months
to do a traditional draft at this point,

919
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.880
uh, we're getting very We're getting
very here. The more's thirtieth.

920
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.360
No, there's not gonna be any
drafts at this point. There's no way.

921
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.000
I mean, maybe they redraft of
some of those players. I mean

922
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:35.480
you just let everyone go and say, oh no, you'll do a dispersal

923
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:37.400
draft. But that'll be it'll be
behind closed doors in a smoke filled room.

924
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.559
They're not gonna they're not not gonna
have time to present a disparsal draft.

925
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.800
Also, that would be so grim. Could you imagine like broadcasting Oh,

926
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:51.920
here's the players we decided are allowed
to survive this. This contraction is

927
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.119
like go home, you're done,
son, Like that would be that would

928
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:57.639
be depressing to watch. I'd rather
just get a press release for that.

929
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:01.000
Honestly, it'd be like Survivor but
for sing because it's serious. I don't

930
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:04.480
know they made a new Hunger Games
movie. I think that there's that's a

931
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.719
movie. It's not real. I
know, I know, well, this

932
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:12.400
is this goes into this. Uh
so DeAndre Tory, right, he's tweeting

933
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.480
out following up on how do I
get all this? Following up on martial

934
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.320
article to pretend to care so much
about the players, make a whole fifty

935
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.119
fourth man documentary with the jump shift
after one year when players passed some opportunities

936
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.440
to come playing. This league is
crazy. Eliminating eight teams basically destroyed the

937
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:31.559
entire league. No one cared involved
in just business. I certainly share those

938
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:36.280
sentiments. I understand the sentiment,
but I mean, it would is it

939
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.960
that much better if the league if
they had sixteen teams and it just dies

940
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:45.800
immediately? Like either way, this
is bad. It's do you do you

941
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:47.440
want to? Do you want to
now? Or do you want it later?

942
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.760
It's the knife's coming, so how
do you want to take it?

943
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:58.159
Well? And I and I think
what's important to me is I think to

944
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.519
take the fandom out, like we
get a lot of comments on here.

945
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.800
We got one hundred and ten people
watching, which I appreciate. Like,

946
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.840
you know, I'm just happy there's
more football. I'm just happy. Just

947
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.480
be happy, just I absolutely understand
that. But there's you know, hundreds

948
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:14.760
of players in coaching, like this
is the end of the road for a

949
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:16.719
lot of these people. So it
is very hard for me to be positive

950
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:21.239
about this when there's a lot of
people going by the wayside right now.

951
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:23.719
Oh no, I'm not positive about
it either. It's just well, but

952
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.760
I'm just trying to justify a little
bit of the negative sentiment right now.

953
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.000
Like I understand if people are happy, and that's awesome and it's going to

954
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:32.519
be cool, and you know,
certain people are going to be happy because

955
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:37.840
there's teams or whatever. But there's
a lot of doom and glooms surrounding this

956
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.239
right now. It's really hard to
kind of completely earned the doom and glooms

957
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:44.119
completely. Even if you're a fan
of a team that is sticking around,

958
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.719
you have to at least feel a
little, if not a lot, concerned

959
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:53.039
over the fact that you still don't
really know anything at all. What would

960
01:03:54.159 --> 01:04:00.920
what would success look like in twenty
twenty four for this merged league. Are

961
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:04.159
we defining success in terms of raw
metrics or a we're defining success as it

962
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.760
actually looks like they're building something.
How are we doing yeah, in terms

963
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:11.119
of like we're moving on to twenty
five, like we're hitting another year out

964
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:15.159
of this. Okay, if we're
talking about actually building something that lasted twenty

965
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.199
twenty five and it looks like it's
building momentum. Like we said last week,

966
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:23.239
local marketing number one has to be
serious, has to be now,

967
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:30.039
should have been yesterday, but it's
not. National marketing more serious. And

968
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.039
then focus on taking care of your
fans whenever you start getting closer to playing

969
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:40.159
the games, attracting fans, maintaining
relationships with fans, doing a more serious

970
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:44.480
social media strategy during the season,
doing a better job of covering the league

971
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.599
on the the with whatever content access
you have, because it felt like we

972
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:51.159
would get this these is the XFL. For the USFL, it felt like

973
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:56.360
they didn't keep United by Football in
season two? Did they? Now?

974
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:00.880
So that was gone? So the
on the XFL you would get like these

975
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:04.320
nice patches of content where you got
like a nice hour long you got the

976
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:09.000
round tables and training camp and then
Jim Hazlet, We're not over. Jim

977
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.039
Haslet. Rod Woodson wasn't even there. And then because you know, he

978
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.320
had some other stuff, you had
to do whatever, and and then you

979
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:19.159
would you would not get any serious
content for a while. And at the

980
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:24.519
end of the season they have like
one nice eight minute video of like XFL

981
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:29.400
NFL and then nothing. And then
they would just keep reposting old games and

982
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:33.039
old highlights, and I'm just like, I get that you're making number go

983
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:38.320
up, numbers go up, you
know, the the meme stonks whatever,

984
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:43.199
but you're not actually contributing to building
interest in your league. You're just building

985
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.599
numbers on a spreadsheet. Like that's
not actually serious. That's just noise.

986
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:49.440
You have to understand it that it's
just noise. I do think it's interesting

987
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:55.360
on here. I'm looking still at
the XFL website, like, you know,

988
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.440
we got the Russ email and Danny
posting, like it's still just amazing

989
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:00.159
to me that we don't have I
know, if there's anything on the USFL

990
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.039
site, like it's just and I
hate this, like, oh here we

991
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:05.960
go. Oh no, I got
excited for no no. And that was

992
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:12.519
that September twenty eight so we're still
you can see the up to dateness of

993
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:16.760
the usfl on news content cycle rolling
out like to me, uh, I

994
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.920
very I don't like when they're like, well, you may have heard on

995
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:23.880
social media. You may have heard
like we're all in this world here,

996
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:27.000
like we like this is it would
be nice to kind of give out a

997
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.519
streamline message all these people. Just
even a press release, y'all, like

998
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:35.800
put on a press release. Come
on. I thought about it at one

999
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.800
point about it, and obviously now
Seattle's gone anyway, but I did think

1000
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.320
about, like, uh, you
know, I could. I could probably

1001
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.679
do this and just write some pressure
releases from my from my house and send

1002
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.320
these on like if I just get
out of the game. I don't care

1003
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.519
about this stuff, Like let me
I could. I could respond to emails,

1004
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.280
I could forward emails. I can
do this stuff. I think a

1005
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:00.360
lot of people could do this stuff
if they wanted to. But the leagues

1006
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:04.280
don't care. Prove me wrong,
league, prove me wrong. Made me

1007
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:09.119
believe that you care, so I
don't. Yeah, Pat Stocking, here,

1008
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.360
we have one hundred and eighteen people
watching this right now. This has

1009
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.440
to be over the I'm trying to
think of what we had on with the

1010
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.039
first one with Mike Mitchell and kind
of all that stuff. But I appreciate

1011
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.119
I said, like the video,
hopefully there's one hundred and eighteen likes on

1012
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:23.480
this video when we get done with
it. I really appreciated that. With

1013
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:28.159
people dropping off, I think we
put this an interesting comment Abdul, and

1014
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.079
he's had a bunch of good ones. I think we've put too bad.

1015
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.599
That both things lost money, which
was confirmed, and the XFL made money,

1016
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:35.440
there would be basically there there were
you know, they wouldn't be doing

1017
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:38.639
this and the USFL was in the
black. I think that's kind of the

1018
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:43.079
sentiment of that. Yeah, like
I said, it's it's all it's manipulating,

1019
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:46.360
it's it's lies basically in different ways. It's all lies, y'all.

1020
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:51.079
But like to me, the problem
with that And I tried to be pretty

1021
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:55.280
pretty levelheaded on here. And I
was talking with one of the USFL players

1022
01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:59.519
last night, like you know,
and they go ahead read like because USFL,

1023
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.480
because you know you send this out
right like with the us development money,

1024
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:05.159
Like what's going on here? This
podcast makes money because I rather off

1025
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:10.800
everything on my wedding video business,
Like if I like this podcast technically makes

1026
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:14.239
money because every single thing that's used
for is paid through best made videos.

1027
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.199
Like it's not uh, but if
you you know, if I had bought

1028
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.880
this microphone and everything in the stream
we are and then everything else like that,

1029
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:23.439
that that's where I get into trouble. And then imagine if on tom

1030
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:29.319
of that you counted like your your
fees or whatever you earn from your wedding

1031
01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:32.079
business on top of that, because
like or like a small portion of it,

1032
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:36.880
like a like a like a like
a half a percent of your wedding

1033
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.159
and now of a sudden, you
really look like you're already money off for

1034
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.880
podcasts, which is basically what the
Fox is doing. They're taking a small

1035
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:49.920
percentage of their advertising revenue that definitely
is not just the default on Fox plus

1036
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:55.239
plus a percentage and acting like it's
what the USFL earned. In reality,

1037
01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:59.359
it's just what Fox earned. It's
all lies. Yeah, they hear a

1038
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:00.520
comment, well, or how long
we want to go here? I appreciate

1039
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.479
maxiting rather Obviously, no one wants
to lose their jobs after merger of the

1040
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:05.800
league isn't on solid footing. They're
in their jobs for anyone, So I

1041
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:09.720
do understand that sentiment, Like,
I mean, this is we got to

1042
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:13.319
keep this going here, so at
least there's that, right, Yeah,

1043
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:16.960
I mean, but I don't think
anyone who is keeping their job feel like

1044
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:20.119
they're on solid footing right now either. I mean, how can you feel

1045
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:25.560
like you're on solid footing whenever?
Like I said, is it just feels

1046
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.680
like a clown car everything, Like
we're in a clown car right now waiting

1047
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.000
to fall off cliff. I'm waiting
for the moment when it all really goes

1048
01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:34.720
bad. But I want to believe
that, you know, there's a there's

1049
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:41.199
a light on the end of the
tunnel and not just a cliff. David's

1050
01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.640
has another coming yet. But Jordan, like you all say, cutting teams

1051
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:47.800
in the half loses so many jobs, opportunities, players coaching, Scott do

1052
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:51.359
pressure release from each city still around? Yeah, I don't know, Like

1053
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:56.680
I think you need to start letting
people know if you're you know, we're

1054
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:00.399
selling sixty percent off Black Friday merch
and Cyber Monday and all that, and

1055
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:02.359
there's still not people going to be
like that to me is a troublesome thing

1056
01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:06.039
on that point, Like we're still
pushing one narrative and then obviously this is

1057
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:10.479
very much going on in the background
because they aren't allowed to push any other

1058
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.920
narrative because the league refuses to have
their stuff together and startups lose money.

1059
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.359
That's you know, that's kind of
how I feel on that. We have

1060
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:20.279
a good comment here, Chris.
I thank you Reeve for the great covering

1061
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:26.319
football. I appreciate that, mister
Downtown. I feel bad for the office

1062
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.640
staff social media teams that lots of
their job to day people forget the real

1063
01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.600
people that behind them make these teams
run. I absolutely share that sentiment.

1064
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.840
Like and that's even when it used
to kill me when I would see people

1065
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:40.960
like like badgerying the XFL or USFL
social media teams. It's like, you

1066
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.399
know, there's like people that like
this don't work here, Like this is

1067
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.760
you know, I understand you're you're
like upset whatever, like these people lost

1068
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.600
their jobs or like maybe you got
to move now, or maybe you gotta

1069
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.319
work remote now, or maybe you
got to travel to a different part of

1070
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:57.359
the country now because of all this
stuff you get well, I think from

1071
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:02.319
my understanding most of them like already
were based in that market. But yeah,

1072
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:04.359
you're going to find a new job, and it's gonna have to be

1073
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:12.840
much more stable. It's just it's
just not it's just not good, is

1074
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:15.199
it. You know? We got
there? Yeah, now now we know

1075
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:21.119
what on Black Friday merged? Uh
yeah TP talking about players covering the various

1076
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:27.239
arena leagues. To me, it's
it's I don't know, to me,

1077
01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:30.239
the biggest one of I mean,
there's a lot of losses this year,

1078
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:35.159
but competition always breeds more, uh, better rights for players, better pay,

1079
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:39.520
you know, better, better competition, Like we saw. The darkest

1080
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:44.359
time the WWE had in my lifetime
was when w W W CW went away

1081
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.720
and they didn't have any competition and
they could roll out and I love him

1082
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:49.640
now, but like let's roll out
John Cena every week and beat down Okay,

1083
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.760
we move on to the next week. Like having like ae W Now

1084
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:57.680
whatever people think about that, like
you know causes WWE you to bring back

1085
01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.560
cmpunk to do all this stuff,
like you know, you only have one

1086
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.600
league. I'm curious to see kind
of what this looks like, is that

1087
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.840
well this is good enough versus like
well, actually we got to outspend your

1088
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:13.399
outcreate compete against someone else. I
mean, what I want is to have

1089
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:18.439
adequate care for the players and coaches
and stuff. I don't necessarily believe in

1090
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:23.319
this, and we need to outspend
stuff, but there needs to be adequate

1091
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:27.520
care from the start. As long
as you have that, as long as

1092
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:31.399
the players don't have to worry about
paying their life bill, about about feeding

1093
01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:38.000
their families because they're earning enough to
make a living, especially the active players,

1094
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:43.439
that needs to be the truth.
One thing I would not be surprised

1095
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:46.039
to see if they really wanted to
get serious about cutting costs is that they

1096
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:53.079
cut quarterback salaries even more than they
already have, just just to inch off

1097
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.159
a little more there. Maybe they
cut off maybe they don't have GMS or

1098
01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:01.319
player personnel departments anymore, or maybe
they shift around guys from the x FIL

1099
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:03.600
side. And obviously they're going to
cut down assistan staffs. That's going to

1100
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:09.359
cut down costs. It's just this
is all so it is. It's hard

1101
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:13.279
to feel positive about this right now, whenever there's so much uncertainty. And

1102
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:16.119
what has been certain is that both
of these leagues have been run quite poorly

1103
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:19.800
so far, and now they're coming
together as one. And now it's like,

1104
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:23.479
how is that going to make it
run better? How are you going

1105
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:27.199
to be a better operation? Because
of that? We have a couple more

1106
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:30.279
comments or yeah, if you don't
like, if you don't like this video

1107
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:33.279
means you don't like scring football.
I appreciate that we have excuse me,

1108
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.960
we have a comment here talking about
maybe the i f A can big up

1109
01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:41.560
these layers? Is gone, isn't
it? Isn't that like dead? Is

1110
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:45.800
it officially dead? Yeah? Another
recond because like they hired our Brills,

1111
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:49.279
which we're not going to touch about
why our Brials is not someone you want

1112
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:55.359
to hire but you don't. And
that league I thought was a total disaster.

1113
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:59.920
And I thought, what was his
name? The scout guy like Rick?

1114
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.560
Yeah he's I don't think he's a
I don't even think he's still there,

1115
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:09.319
is he? I tell you,
I don't know talking here payers.

1116
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:13.359
At least at least you have the
AFL, you know, I mean,

1117
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.079
there's don't start to run the NFL
too, Like there's they were still struggling

1118
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:20.760
to get stadium in a real the
stadium arena deals whatever, and there's don

1119
01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:26.800
stortained about when they're drafting players and
how much money they're getting paid and what

1120
01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:30.680
TV contract are these people have,
Like, we don't know any of those

1121
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.079
details about the AFL. At least
we know with this new merge league that

1122
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:42.439
they have TV contracts already they confuse
together into something what there's no proof of

1123
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:45.079
what is actually happening with the AFL. So if you really want to talk

1124
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.359
about, certainly the AFL is quite
uncerted right now. We have a comment

1125
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:50.840
here. I saw him post a
couple of times here. Mark, you

1126
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:55.239
guys are badly and talk real informative. There is the real information. Well,

1127
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:59.159
Mark, welcome to the hour one
and fourteen minutes into the stream.

1128
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.039
But that apartment, this is the
question and answer abortion now of the class.

1129
01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:04.600
Thank you very much for joining.
We did. We did a lot

1130
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:09.279
of that stuff. We're getting into
comments now, TP Jo Seph. Even

1131
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:13.000
the CFL teater ties with financial stability. We have to start somewhere. Oh

1132
01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:16.159
no, we are nowhere near where
the CFL is. The CFL has built

1133
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:20.720
established fan bases and they're out in
their communities and they're known and they're beloved.

1134
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:29.840
The XFL is so unstable that their
fans don't even know the Most of

1135
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.399
their fans have no idea that this
merger thing is happening, and then the

1136
01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:38.840
ones that do know is happening don't
know when their tickets are being transferred to

1137
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:44.840
They don't know, they don't they're
they're completely in the dark. No CFL

1138
01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:47.600
fan can say that they're completely in
the dark about what is going on with

1139
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:51.439
their team, about when they should
expect to hear things. So we are

1140
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:57.399
nowhere near where the CFL is in
terms of an operation. We had a

1141
01:15:57.399 --> 01:16:00.640
comment here from Raw eighteen says,
to justify the merger, might as well

1142
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.359
stay separated and take your chances.
It's tough. I mean, I think

1143
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:05.640
it's kind of the lose lose.
I think we've seen how this is going.

1144
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:09.920
The number of teams is not what
matters. Been justifying merger. Would't

1145
01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:13.399
matage been justifying a merger? Is
you realizing that there are things that are

1146
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:15.680
not working and you need to start
over, and if a merger is the

1147
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:20.239
most efficient way to do that,
then fine. What's bad about doing that

1148
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:27.319
this way is that it's so poorly
put together in timing and everything. It

1149
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.279
just feels like it doesn't matter that
you're cutting down all these costs. It's

1150
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:32.600
just not going to be enough to
build something, and quite frankly, the

1151
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:35.760
excitement was not going to be there
even if you did keep all these teams,

1152
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:42.640
because everyone would be skeptical about what
is actually the actual long term survivability

1153
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.960
of this league. Because both of
the fan bases that have been in these

1154
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.199
leagues so so far have not been
encouraged by how these leagues have been run.

1155
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.920
There's no way you can be encouraged
unless you just want to be optimistic

1156
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:56.560
for the sake of it. We
have a couple. There's so many comments.

1157
01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:00.760
I don't think I've ever had any
comments on these videos, Jenny.

1158
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:02.159
What about the people that bought season
tickets. I know we taught you,

1159
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.800
like I tell you, my Seattle
people were waiting to get our money back

1160
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:11.159
on this. You know, front
row fifty yard line that twice defeated now

1161
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:15.479
and I think we got to see
maybe four or five games are over the

1162
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:21.119
two years. I mean, I'm
pretty pretty disheartened. Name it's obviously,

1163
01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:26.479
I mean, it's suppressing, isn't
it. But you know, if I

1164
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:32.479
believed that the new league would be
run with care and with actual attachment to

1165
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:36.039
whoever they're keeping, then at least
you could sit here as a Seattle fan

1166
01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:41.520
say, Hey, they learned their
lesson? Do we think Okay, let's

1167
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:45.239
I want to ask you read do
you think this ownership group has learned their

1168
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.000
lesson and that they're going to care? Now? Because you know my opinion?

1169
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:50.560
Well, I so you use the
word care, And I don't like

1170
01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:53.560
to say that people don't care.
No, no, no, no,

1171
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:56.720
not the people in the lower levels. We're talking about the real executives who

1172
01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:59.840
we can say with a track record, why we believe that, Why I

1173
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.159
believe they don't care. So I
have a good comment air from Blake I

1174
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:08.960
got started as well. I will
say I do not believe that anyone involved

1175
01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:11.479
in this league has learned their lessons
yet. I will not say that whether

1176
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:15.000
they care or not care, but
I do vehemently agree that the people involved

1177
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.840
in this in the higher up have
not learned anything over the course of the

1178
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.600
last two and a half years.
And if you haven't learned anything over the

1179
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:24.399
course of the past two and a
half years, and how can I mean?

1180
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:26.880
I mean you. I understand that
you need to be in the position

1181
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.600
where you're not allowed to say that
you think they don't care, But if

1182
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:34.119
if you're those executives trying to justify
to a fan why they care. What's

1183
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:38.840
the argument that they care from them? Like, what is their argument that

1184
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.600
is supposed to make us convinced that
they care, which is like what is

1185
01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:44.800
Danny in the rock? Like?
What is their messaging in their run?

1186
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:48.239
Yeah, because so far their messaging
has been saying the same you know lines

1187
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:53.399
in the same repeated stuff with no
delivery. So how are we supposed to

1188
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:59.760
believe that? As a fan?
I share that I think I think moving

1189
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:04.560
forward forward, selling season tickets,
selling selling buy in from people getting buy

1190
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:08.359
in, I think is going to
be very, very, very challenging.

1191
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:11.960
There's no reason to believe that they're
going to do it, because they haven't,

1192
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.640
so it's certainly going to be it's
certainly going to be harder now.

1193
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:17.760
And that's why I say I don't
think they care is because every single one

1194
01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:21.439
of their actions up to this point
has shown us that we shouldn't believe that

1195
01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:26.079
they do so until they prove me
wrong. That's why I say I don't

1196
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.920
think they care, because it's in
the putting the person and pudding. I

1197
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:32.279
got a good comment here from Blake. Honestly, I think casual fans are

1198
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:35.479
encouraged by the merger. Looking at
any tweets from Marjorie accounts with mini fans

1199
01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:39.800
and most I'll say again, because
I think we give your give your thoughts.

1200
01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.520
I think the idea of a merger, the idea of expansion, the

1201
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:45.760
idea like you talked about before,
is a little bit more. It's like

1202
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.079
a I meeting the pop rock.
You have it, you know, and

1203
01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:51.520
then it's it's instantly gone, and
there's not a lot of sustainability there.

1204
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:58.319
And anyone tweeting about this merger right
now is not a casual fan. That's

1205
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.600
that's very obvious. If you're casual
fan, you have no idea any of

1206
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:04.279
this is happening at all. Like, let's be real, no one,

1207
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:10.800
no one who's a casual fan is
paying this hard attention to Danny Garcia's Instagram

1208
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:15.359
account. Come on, anyone who's
a casual fan. Casual fans. I

1209
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.840
mean, I love Mike Mitchell.
I want him to have the audience of

1210
01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:21.079
a casual fan, but it's so
obvious that obviously he does not have the

1211
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:25.640
audience of the casual fan. He
hated, like, you know, I

1212
01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:27.800
want him to have that kind of
growth, but he does not have that.

1213
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:30.119
You don't have the audia casual fan. You have the hard course.

1214
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:32.159
Anyone who's listening to the stream is
a hard course. Anyone posting about the

1215
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:39.000
merger is a hardcore. So the
casual fans have no idea what is happening

1216
01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:42.560
right now because you haven't reached out
to them. You're not in their world.

1217
01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:45.439
You're only in your own bubble.
So when we're talking about casual fans

1218
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:48.760
being excited, have you do you
are? You? Do you know casual

1219
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:55.560
fans? Because I think you underestimate
how casual a casual fan really is,

1220
01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:59.960
because we're all hardcorees here at this
point. Well, I think it's always

1221
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:03.359
has been. I think it's always
been under appreciated from them, which has

1222
01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:08.359
always surprised me in terms of just
the rock and being involved in DC and

1223
01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:13.800
all that. It's always surprised me
the lack of kind of awareness of how

1224
01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:17.079
hardcore this fan base is. And
I certainly didn't ever hear it. And

1225
01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:20.319
then out at the beginning and I'm
getting Facebook messages for you know, like

1226
01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:23.720
Zach and everyone's starting off at the
beginning, like hey, what do you

1227
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:26.039
think about that? Like I never
I mean, I'm in that world.

1228
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:29.279
No, but to me, it
abounts me that they'd never gotten like just

1229
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:32.680
how hardcore this is and how unlike
a property like DC, there is not

1230
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:38.319
a huge well swell of casual fans
who are willing to go along with the

1231
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:43.319
hardcore is for the movie and then
go back home. So, you know,

1232
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:46.880
you don't just get casual fans by
making a product. You have to

1233
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:50.159
reach them, and then you have
to convert some of them the hardcorees,

1234
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:55.399
and you have to convert to nobody's
to casuals. That's the only way you're

1235
01:21:55.439 --> 01:22:00.159
building anything, and they just have
not done that. Yeah, I agree

1236
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:05.079
with the casual fans, especially in
the niche world. We people talking about

1237
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:09.680
we need to hear from the rock. Uh knocking from the rock today.

1238
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:12.880
I'm sorry, it's not happening,
y'all. Sorry, Well it's I you

1239
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:15.000
know, I we have that we
have the Danny thing here, and then

1240
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.239
we can pull that up again because
I know that people are you know,

1241
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.840
Danny. This is the only official
word that we have from the league.

1242
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:26.520
I know that Sportaco and Ben Fisher
and God bless them for promoting nothing on

1243
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:29.279
the site. And I don't think
we have anything on the Rocks account.

1244
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:33.399
So it's more for the matter and
we have anything from them either. And

1245
01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:36.479
I mean we all thought, I
mean I don't say we all, but

1246
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:40.600
we us two were chatting, were
like, not, there's no way we're

1247
01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:44.119
getting anything serious. We just have
to go now. So yeah, because

1248
01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:47.079
we had been waiting around here,
I told coach is sipping John, But

1249
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:49.479
what's the rock going to say?
Well, I just think him sharing the

1250
01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:53.640
same thing. I think that if
nothing else, sharing the press release that

1251
01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:56.760
was put out from you, the
co owner, I think at a minimum

1252
01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:58.560
should be done at this point.
You know, No, I know what

1253
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:00.600
he's gonna do, because he always
does that, like two or three or

1254
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.279
maybe even a week later, two
or three days or even a week later,

1255
01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:09.079
he'll whip out the tea mana and
he's he's in is the bar it

1256
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:11.000
might be. It might be the
bar in his house, or it's the

1257
01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:15.199
bar next to his gym. He's
gonna whip out the tea manna and celebrate

1258
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.119
the merger. He's gonna do something
corny like that and talk about how excited

1259
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:21.560
he is and for the level of
football and blah blah blah blah, and

1260
01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:28.159
then and player fifty four and whatever
and then not give us any serious information.

1261
01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:31.159
And it's just like a three minute
video of the rock looking super muscly

1262
01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:36.520
with sunglasses on and drinking tequila and
saying, uh, whatever the teremanta toast

1263
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:43.760
bs Uh. We got so many
different comments here. This is crazy.

1264
01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:45.199
Max. I appreciate I appreciate everyone
hanging on here. I mean, Max,

1265
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:49.039
you haven't found that we're doing the
right I'm having fun with you.

1266
01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:54.119
I don't know if this situation is
all that fun. I've just I'm trying

1267
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.840
to It's like managing my my grief
right now. I don't know what stage

1268
01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.479
of grief I'm in right now.
Yeah, this is good here, Ali

1269
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:02.359
fan, I'm a casal fan.
I'm the one. I just like,

1270
01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:06.720
I'm appreciate that Al, at least
now we at least now we found you

1271
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:11.720
have one casual fan read congrats.
This is fun today. I love when

1272
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.239
we get so many people in here
commenting because like we do our CFL staff

1273
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:16.640
and we get you know, we
get a handful of people watching live and

1274
01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:19.279
then a lot of people watching.
But I love all this stuff. Chris.

1275
01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:24.640
I'll take Jerry Cardinal one sentence please, uh, and Jordan here,

1276
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:29.479
straight facts being spoken right now,
So I appreciate that. I mean,

1277
01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:32.279
I do my best. I know
I'm the villain for being negative, but

1278
01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.880
I was extremely You remember how I
was a year ago. I was gung

1279
01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:42.880
ho, guns blazing. They earned
my negativity. We have a comment here.

1280
01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:47.600
Max Secon's having their great up But
to me, this is why it's

1281
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:51.520
really been not only just scheduling and
him being available, but it's really been

1282
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:56.439
important to have Max on here lately
because you guys and everyone like Max was

1283
01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.760
the die hard of Hey read you
see this Red working on this, Hey

1284
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:02.720
Red, you see this extell I'm
like Danny. I still am that guy,

1285
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:05.720
by the way. Yeah, but
I think that this is a good

1286
01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:10.279
welfare check of like this is what
the person that was if I could do

1287
01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:13.680
this correctly, that was up here. Like we're tracking this down, We're

1288
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.000
tracking Max's descent into in the madness
at this point. I mean, I've

1289
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.880
already I descended a while ago.
The only difference is I thought I should

1290
01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:23.279
believe when it was just denial.
It should it was it was denial,

1291
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:28.560
And now they've proven why I should
not believe in anything clearly. And I

1292
01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:31.119
mean, yeah, sure you can
be skeptical about a private equity company running

1293
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:33.479
the league. At the same time, it was hard for me to be

1294
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:38.399
skeptical at the gate when I was
seeing how that same private equity company was

1295
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:44.640
running their other sports operations, and
they took it completely seriously. They did

1296
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:47.439
not take this seriously. So it's
just like, why would you break your

1297
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:53.239
own principles? That will still confound
me for a long time. Why they

1298
01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:56.880
couldn't stick to their own principles with
how they ran their other stuff. And

1299
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:00.920
that's why I'm frustrated so much.
Well, I appreciate that compiment in my

1300
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:03.439
breer. I think it's Dorothy's come
around to it. I don't know there

1301
01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:08.399
was a point in contention there for
a while. This will get your fire

1302
01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:12.319
that Max one of those love the
XFL. But ask anyone over fifty and

1303
01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:14.600
they have no idea what the league
is. But ask anyone and they have

1304
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:16.920
some sort of memory of the USFL. I would echo that sentiment, but

1305
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:19.840
I would say, but are they
watching like they might know what the XFL

1306
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:25.560
or the USFL has been. Are
they watching? The number? Is the

1307
01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:28.319
prooves in the putting on the numbers? First off? But second off,

1308
01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:32.199
yeah, actually, people over fifty
definitely do know about the XFL because they

1309
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:36.760
were They were around for the first
one, and when they were like thirty

1310
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:42.319
or forty or forty five or fifty, they were around for that too,

1311
01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:45.720
So they do know about the XFL. And also most of the people who

1312
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:51.439
know about the USFL who are younger, a lot of those younger people barely

1313
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:57.760
know anything about what the USFL has
been over the past two years. They

1314
01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.960
only really know about the original iteration. And the main reason they know about

1315
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.520
it is because you get these content
farm channels that are talking about Donald Trump

1316
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:10.479
and how the nineteen eighty four USFL
draft and stealing players and stuff like that.

1317
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:13.479
They don't know about the new league. They don't watch the games,

1318
01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:17.039
they don't know anything. So sure
they know about the USFL, but they

1319
01:27:17.039 --> 01:27:21.680
don't know about this USFL at all. Yeah, Dob whatever his face is

1320
01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:27.399
like retweeting I got USFL signings,
is like, it's because it's to the

1321
01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:30.199
you know, to the NFL or
whatever, So it's cool for you.

1322
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:33.159
It's back and forth. We get
a mixture because I know, like Gregory

1323
01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:34.880
will be watching this, see we
got it. We got a lot of

1324
01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:39.960
hardcore USFL fans too, But What's
funny to me is the it's not the

1325
01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.520
hardcore, the older ones, it's
all the people on Twitter that I'm like,

1326
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:45.000
you're twenty years old, Like what
do you care about? You?

1327
01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:49.079
Like, you're just like die hard
Fox Fox Sports stands Like That's what I

1328
01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:54.199
don't get. Like, I'm happy
to entertain conversations with the USFL like people

1329
01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:56.880
like, oh, you know back
in my day, Like absolutely, But

1330
01:27:57.000 --> 01:27:59.560
it's all these new kids. I'm
like, especially being a diehard fan of

1331
01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:02.000
a team's even in your city,
Like you know what I'm talking about,

1332
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:05.920
Like the New Orleans types, they're
like, oh, we love the Breakers.

1333
01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:10.640
I'm like, what has the Breakers
done for you? Ask? Not

1334
01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:13.399
what you can do for the Breakers? Ask what the Breakers can do for

1335
01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:15.439
you, because they haven't done a
dang thing for your city. I mean,

1336
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:18.319
I just don't understand how you could
be so completely attached to that.

1337
01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:25.000
Yeah, we have here. The
modern Gamblers haven't played the day of the

1338
01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:30.720
football in Easton. I will say
there they'll be. I'll understand if it

1339
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:32.800
is. If it is the Gamblers, I'll understand. The four or forest

1340
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.399
blit. It's a way to make
it. You know, every league gets

1341
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:39.840
all sides get throw away, like
I will understand that, but from a

1342
01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:43.800
every other aspect of it that doesn't
make sense to it. Yeah, and

1343
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.159
also I just want to briefly out
whenever obviously, everyone in this room mostly

1344
01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:53.399
is going to care more know more
about this USFL, and everyone on the

1345
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:56.720
spring football sites and on Twitter posting
about it right now is going to know

1346
01:28:56.800 --> 01:29:00.680
more about the USFL. But we
have to understand just the casuals. That

1347
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:05.359
is a like in the casuals vers
hardcores, that is like single digit or

1348
01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:11.800
less percentages of people of the overall
demographic that we're talking about. Like we

1349
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:14.439
are in a bubble, y'all.
We are all in a bubble. So

1350
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.479
yes, you and your buddies care
about this USFL, or we and our

1351
01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:23.039
buddies care about the XFL or whatever
this newly they, We and our bodies

1352
01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:29.840
care about spring football the like we'll
say, seventy five eighty percent of this

1353
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:34.520
demographic has no idea and does not
care so far because they haven't been given

1354
01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:39.560
a reason to care. So you
know, you're being called mad, Max,

1355
01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:41.279
Now, I like that. That
might be you wanted to be the

1356
01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:44.560
substitute teacher. You might be mad. I can be that that can be

1357
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:46.960
a substitute teacher. I can be
mad, max I can be producer,

1358
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:51.640
max I can, I can,
I am I contain multitudes. Hi David

1359
01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:56.479
here, I remember watching the X
Games back in the day. I don't

1360
01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:59.359
like we will avoid the Trump comment
here, but I like Christian. I'm

1361
01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:01.479
happy for the murder because now they
can grow without competition and stay steady.

1362
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:06.680
You know, we'll see I mean, you know, in the ideal world,

1363
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:11.319
this is what we're working at here. So yeah, if I could

1364
01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:15.359
only be so optimistic about an ideal
world. Let's see here, Millennials,

1365
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:18.880
we got all that Zach on here. Please stay, you're umberre starch the

1366
01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:24.760
football's funny. After the season,
I started disconnected. Zach messed out on

1367
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:29.359
a lot of CFL great content.
So we have a football fever here.

1368
01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:31.520
Do you guys think the Hub concert
will continue? We touched on that before.

1369
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:34.279
The presumption is it's c x L
business model with you, you know,

1370
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:39.039
a mixture of the team names and
training camp in Arlington and kind of

1371
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:42.479
all of that stuff and the moving
forward because there's just no reason not to

1372
01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:47.279
do it that way. So yeah, well, where the news we're hearing

1373
01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:53.279
basically confirmed that no one learned blank. I share that sentiment on that.

1374
01:30:53.359 --> 01:31:00.039
I also share that sentiment. Let's
see here there is a yeah, wonder

1375
01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:01.920
the teams are going to be,
Like I said, we had that and

1376
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:04.279
if we're at touching on again here, but we'll probably get out of here

1377
01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:08.760
pretty soon. Where's Mike's tweet I
had in terms of that talking about the

1378
01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:14.520
team It was the Texas teams plus
Saint Louis and DC and then Detroit,

1379
01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:17.560
Memphis, Birmingham. So I assume
they're keeping all the team names and then

1380
01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:21.239
they'll decide whether they want gam was
Rough next, because otherwise you have to

1381
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:25.520
start all over with team names again. It's just like the thing that will

1382
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:28.720
confound me at the end of this
day is why they spent all this money

1383
01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:31.680
on maintaining brand names and league names, and they're just gonna dump like a

1384
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:36.119
huge percentage of it just because they
don't have the guts to pick one league

1385
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:40.279
name over the other. Even though
they have the guts to pick some an

1386
01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:43.039
XFL guy over a USFL guy to
run the league, they don't have the

1387
01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:45.000
guts to pick the XFL name over
the USFL name. And it said they

1388
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:48.399
have to come into a compromise with
a name of a league which already failed

1389
01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:51.279
and it was a complete disaster,
and it is only going to get them

1390
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:55.800
flamed and is not going to provide
them any positive momentum at all. And

1391
01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:57.760
it's just going to be confusing to
be like, oh wait, there's another

1392
01:31:57.800 --> 01:32:00.319
new football league. It's only gonna
confused people even more. Whenever you make

1393
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:03.359
a new league with a new name. It's only this is not new name

1394
01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:06.279
is not helping anybody. Yeah,
are you surprised here? And I know

1395
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:10.640
that we obviously talked about that in
the stream last week, but that it

1396
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:14.640
is I mean, my extreme porty
like, it's so weird to me that

1397
01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:16.399
they're doing the new brand name.
I would just to me, I can't

1398
01:32:16.439 --> 01:32:19.399
say I'm surprised. Whenever I knew
that it was always on the table,

1399
01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:25.720
I can't say I'm surprised. Am
I disappointed and confused as to why they

1400
01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:29.680
could possibly make this decision? From
a logicals perspective, yes, can't.

1401
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:31.000
I can't be surprised. I mean, we all saw the trademarks. We

1402
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:34.720
all thought it was in the realm
of not even just possibility, but probability.

1403
01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:42.359
Yeah. I liked the uh RIP
of the National Spring Football League.

1404
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:45.800
God, I just that name would
have been so bad. I mean,

1405
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:49.520
at least the UFL's three letters.
If you're gonna have four letters and it's

1406
01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:54.720
not us, it's never gonna work. Just don't do that. Yeah,

1407
01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:58.439
David here at the XFL, I
would get rid of that. The XFL

1408
01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:00.000
prize of that content makes sense.
The league hats market itself and they say

1409
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:04.399
they can't do that with that ushole
game. I'm worried. I'm worried we're

1410
01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:10.079
going to have similar sentiments of last
year where you know, and I talked

1411
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:12.880
with rest Brand and then the Arlington
event and him saying we're going to be

1412
01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:15.159
the first people in the last people
out of these markets and not really feeling

1413
01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:20.119
that way. I don't even know. But like, to me, none

1414
01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:24.840
of this changes that at that point, Like I don't see this now suddenly

1415
01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:28.840
making that happen. It's only changing
if they show us it's changing. Until

1416
01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:31.960
then, we have no reasona believe
it's going to change. Yeah, because

1417
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:35.319
here I gotta come here, I'll
start. But yeah, to me,

1418
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:39.199
that's like we've talked about this,
but you know, the learning concept,

1419
01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:43.560
like the learning is not the number
of teams or like it's whatever markets you

1420
01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:45.359
have, you have to embrace that
and you have to work towards that.

1421
01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:48.479
And we saw that to some extent, you know, like I think San

1422
01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:51.760
Antonio did good, but you know, obviously DC and St. Louis are

1423
01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:54.720
kind of the outliers there, but
the ones that need to work, I

1424
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:57.640
just don't know what lessons have been
learned from some of this. In all

1425
01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:02.399
that embracing of local teams and markets
was done by the very tiny amount of

1426
01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:08.880
local employees, while the larger executive
base did not seem to care. So

1427
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:14.199
I love the small people on the
ground, but you need to have the

1428
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.760
big weight behind it, pushing them
and giving them the support they need because

1429
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:21.479
they did not have it. And
that's why it was so hard. You

1430
01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:25.279
give them what they need, you
give them the time they need, the

1431
01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:28.239
people they need, they will get
it done. But they have not been

1432
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:30.720
able to do that because they don't
get it. They don't get that support.

1433
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.720
So I was, I was.
I was a casual XFL fan back

1434
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:38.760
and you know, I listened to
Mark and everyone on the podcast and what's

1435
01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:45.039
the other the chalk talk? Like
what what was so? Because to me

1436
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:48.359
when I found successful was engagement with
social media. They would interact with me.

1437
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:53.479
Ryan was doing this, you know, he did like his weekly things

1438
01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:56.760
as the president. I saw them
at traders, like, was there a

1439
01:34:56.800 --> 01:35:00.079
larger swath I'm missing or what was
so successful with the x L. They

1440
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:02.479
were getting out there in local markets, they were having events, they were

1441
01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:05.399
promoting themselves. They were on the
news stations, And I mean, I

1442
01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:11.279
know the local news in itself doesn't
necessarily matter, but just getting involved with

1443
01:35:11.359 --> 01:35:14.439
the right people matters. If you're
getting on the news, then you can

1444
01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:16.560
you get attached to the newspaper,
You get attached the newspaper, you get

1445
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:20.359
attached to social media. You have
to be in the market, you have

1446
01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:25.640
to be in the know, you
have to be embedded, and they were

1447
01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:30.399
not. And that's why all this
happened then. While in twenty twenty,

1448
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:34.319
except for a couple of markets that
struggled because they didn't get they weren't quite

1449
01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:40.119
as successful with pushing with the resources
they had compared to others, it largely

1450
01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:44.720
worked in twenty twenty because they were
given all of those opportunities and they took

1451
01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:51.600
advantage of them. I don't know, I think that it's not a you

1452
01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:56.560
know it's a money issue, right, and is it a is it a

1453
01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:00.319
not understanding that, like, what
is the hold back? It's not as

1454
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:02.960
I don't. The worst thing is
we all know it's not even that much

1455
01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:06.279
of a money issue. Well that's
my thing, but it's not the money.

1456
01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:12.479
It's not why it's too much effort. When you have so few people

1457
01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:17.399
involved in running this league, you
have to get more people to get less

1458
01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:23.279
people to do more because they want
everything to be as lean as possible.

1459
01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:29.760
Whereas the XFL of the twenty twenty
was willing to hire a deeper support staff

1460
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:34.000
and deeper employee base, whereas we're
cutting back on employees and support right now.

1461
01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:39.479
So you have to be willing to
have those people who are in those

1462
01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:45.119
pressure positions to give them the support
they need to get the immediate results done

1463
01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:48.800
without having real employees for them to
work with, which is fine if you

1464
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:53.760
give them that support, if you
give them a reason to make that happen,

1465
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:56.359
because if you don't give them the
resources and allow them to make that

1466
01:36:56.399 --> 01:37:00.520
push, then you're just they're going
to get scolded for wasting effort in time

1467
01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:04.199
on something that wasn't approved. And
that's why all these struggles have happened to

1468
01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:08.439
go around compared to twenty twenty.
Whenever they had, they were embedded those

1469
01:37:08.439 --> 01:37:13.119
markets and people did care. We
had the comment here from Mark, I

1470
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:16.119
wonder if getting rid of the hubs
was the compromise being the XOUSBL only won

1471
01:37:16.199 --> 01:37:19.520
in eight teams and the FEDS wanting
more. No more jobs for the players,

1472
01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:25.000
but a few more local staff.
I I mean, all these teams

1473
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:29.520
already had stadiums. All the teams
are bringing already had stadiums. You're not

1474
01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:34.159
actually adding stadium staff at all,
other than maybe the USFL will get more

1475
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:40.199
ticketing and local staff than what they
had in those markets. But the XFL

1476
01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:44.960
already had a staff. So the
only way you can make it work is

1477
01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:47.479
if you had more. But that's
not what we're That's not what we're seeing.

1478
01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:49.479
We're the only thing we're seeing is
that it seems like they're going to

1479
01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:57.800
take away, so you can't.
I feel like people also overrate this whole

1480
01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.880
Let's just have the rock go do
it, and us listen. I agree,

1481
01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:05.840
it's just buy it. It's a
bigger buy. It's one thing.

1482
01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:10.840
I'm going to go buy Cantonzolla.
I'm going to go buy Tyrman. It's

1483
01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:14.960
you're it's a totally different buy in
to what you want the Rock as you

1484
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:18.239
want the Rock at all the major
league benchmark events, that's what you want

1485
01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:23.359
the Rock at on the ground.
Having the Rock everywhere isn't going to make

1486
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:28.680
suddenly people care about a football league. You need to have real people on

1487
01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:34.640
the ground, building real relationships with
fans and with business partners and with the

1488
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:40.119
media and with the local government.
You need to have these tie ins,

1489
01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:45.319
and they just aren't there outside of
Saint Louis in d C. Even San

1490
01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:48.479
Antonio is nowhere near what those other
two places have. And then I guess

1491
01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:53.760
you could say Birmingham, but it's
not Those ties in Birmingham haven't translated to

1492
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:58.399
establishing a fan base. So maybe
you can say Memphis, and then Detroit's

1493
01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:02.199
been struggling too, And then everywhere
else in the XFL fandom has been completely

1494
01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:08.000
struggling, even the ones that are
being kept. So it's it's it's aggravating.

1495
01:39:08.880 --> 01:39:11.399
Uh, we're doing all right here. We got yeah, Rock didn't

1496
01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:14.159
even shod Saint Louis. Uh,
well we'll figure out here. So anything

1497
01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:16.039
comments come in, we'll we'll start
winding down here. I think at some

1498
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:19.119
point we were dipped too far below
one hundred. I was going to say,

1499
01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.000
we got to get out of here, but we're still popping back up.

1500
01:39:21.359 --> 01:39:26.479
Uh. Here is a good question
comment. And I love you all

1501
01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.520
right, hustle, I love you. But you talk about the positives like

1502
01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:33.279
matchups. Yet we have theoretically we
have one hundred and twenty one days.

1503
01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:36.520
Again, what matchup? Where's my
schedule? We'll get to We'll get to

1504
01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:39.920
all that. This is where's my
schedule? What's what players are on the

1505
01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:44.319
teams? Who's coaching these teams?
Why should we talk about what matchup?

1506
01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:46.239
This is the event day. This
is event day. We'll get to all

1507
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.359
that. I promise day subscribe.
We'll do all that stuff. We'll get

1508
01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:53.560
Andy in here, we'll get Mike
and Pat, we'll do breakdowns and Rogers,

1509
01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:56.439
we'll get John Bogol back out,
We'll do all that stuff. This

1510
01:39:56.720 --> 01:39:59.399
is this is what this day is
for. And that'll be it'll be great

1511
01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:01.000
to have when we have that.
But we don't mean you don't really have

1512
01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:02.720
those things right now, do you
read? I mean, what are you

1513
01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:05.840
going to talk about? It's all
in theory. There's there's there's not even

1514
01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:10.359
anything tangible, right you don't know
what's real and what's not right now.

1515
01:40:10.600 --> 01:40:13.119
Yeah, we know what Mike's reporting, and we can put that back up

1516
01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:15.960
here on the eight teams and we
whether it's Houston one way or another,

1517
01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:20.199
this is what we know. These
comments are I just I have life right

1518
01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:24.319
now. I have fifty nine starred
comments alone, let alone, like all

1519
01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:28.920
the hundreds that are coming in here
we have where is it a football fever?

1520
01:40:29.079 --> 01:40:31.960
Max is my spirit animal? There
you go? Hi? What can

1521
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:34.640
I say? I really, I
really care about this and I'm just so

1522
01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:39.640
hurt. Oh one other thing I
was gonna mention, how do you feel

1523
01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:45.119
about the timeline compromise for getting players
of the NFL. That's a good point.

1524
01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:48.319
So we do have and that is
confirmed right the March thirtieth, that

1525
01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:54.159
is confirmed. The Saturday March are
ath I MARKU is killing me with these

1526
01:40:54.199 --> 01:41:00.680
comments in the chat to me,
I wish they would avoid March all together

1527
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:03.560
with the March madness. So if
that means the April is that too late?

1528
01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:05.920
I mean, what do you think
is March thirtieth? Is that it

1529
01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:12.119
was that a month and March thirtieth
is rough already it's like already late because

1530
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:17.039
you're you're kicking off your league in
the middle of like that's like the Elite

1531
01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:20.840
eight, right, so it's like
right in the peak of March madness interest.

1532
01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:27.000
So you're losing your week one boom
and then you have to build interest

1533
01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:31.760
whenever people are distracted by the end
of March madness. And yeah, and

1534
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:34.199
like Pat's saying, yeah, also
at the timing, they can't go to

1535
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:36.199
work communic camp. Now, That's
what I was going to try to mention.

1536
01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:39.279
It was like, Hey, these
guys can't go to work community camp

1537
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:45.159
anymore. They're they're gonna miss OTAs
you know, so all the benefit of

1538
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:49.479
having the the February timeline is gone. The only benefit you have is that

1539
01:41:49.720 --> 01:41:55.760
you know, for regular camp they
can still make it early and on time

1540
01:41:56.880 --> 01:42:00.600
instead of being not just early on
time, they can actually try out for

1541
01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:03.239
camp instead of it already being into
the swing of camp before they even finished

1542
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:10.239
their season and already like you might
have some roster space left. What I

1543
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:14.439
wouldn't be surprised if they allow players
to try out for the NFL during the

1544
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:20.520
XFL or not excepted the UFL season
and then come to some sort of agreement

1545
01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:26.880
to release the player if they get
signed or whatever, because that way you

1546
01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:30.479
can have them fly out to a
tryout then come back whenever they probably don't

1547
01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:34.319
make it, because otherwise I feel
like I don't know how you're going to

1548
01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:38.079
keep that support based because that was
one of the main arguments for playing in

1549
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:42.800
the XFL, and you just completely
threw a head out the window. Interesting

1550
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:45.560
as well, and I saw comment
in here that's the first weekend of baseball

1551
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:51.760
as well. So not that I
know people, you know Markle Pooh pooh

1552
01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:56.520
baseball, but I just I'm just
saying heres, well Mark, well,

1553
01:42:56.520 --> 01:43:00.800
Mark Perry loves baseball from I remember, but just talking about the competition.

1554
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:03.319
We have so many comments here,
just talking about the competition of everything.

1555
01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:06.840
So that because it's Thursdays, I'm
looking here on the let me get this

1556
01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:11.159
up on here. I'm looking on
because that's the kickoff day. And I

1557
01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:14.720
have something else, not funny but
interesting to share on Twitter. Just speaking

1558
01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:16.880
of we get a lot of comments
and negativity and all of that. We

1559
01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:21.920
have this tweet here Madison with the
USFL a community engagement football ops just a

1560
01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:29.680
big upside down. Sorry, well, don't you don't probably unfortunately. Sorry,

1561
01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:30.880
no celebrations. That's not celebraty.
That's me saying, oh god,

1562
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:36.960
damn, this league is doing it
wrong. But you know this is it's

1563
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:41.720
tough here. And also imagine finding
out this way. Imagine finding out via

1564
01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:45.039
tweet that like, you're probably screwed. It's just it's also messed up.

1565
01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:49.520
And that's why I'm trying to cope
by making jokes because it's all so messed

1566
01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:57.199
up and it's just the situation is
so bad anyway for baseball. Here's the

1567
01:43:57.199 --> 01:44:00.920
thing. Baseball is not a broadcasting
giant. During the regular season. They

1568
01:44:00.960 --> 01:44:05.359
only have a very limited amount of
national exposure and it's all regional. So

1569
01:44:05.479 --> 01:44:11.039
from a broadcasting perspective, it'll be
fine. But if you're from a local

1570
01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:15.279
market perspective, if your team isn't
attached in that market, they're just gonna

1571
01:44:15.279 --> 01:44:18.479
go they're they're not they're probably gonna
follow baseball, even if they're casuals because

1572
01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:23.279
they haven't been given a reason to
follow the spring league. So that will

1573
01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:27.520
be a concern with baseball. I'm
just looking at it here. So Texas

1574
01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:30.359
is at home, the Rangers are
at home, Seattle's at home. Not

1575
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:34.399
that that matters, Houstonds at home. Sat Louis Is on the road.

1576
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:36.800
I'm just I'm just here, let
me get this up. I was just

1577
01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:40.880
kind of curious, like, and
that's on that Saturday, like just just

1578
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:44.039
kind of curious like whether we whether
we moving and moving around here. Also,

1579
01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:46.239
the other thing's so interesting. Notice
how the USFL was in a bunch

1580
01:44:46.279 --> 01:44:51.800
of markets that didn't have baseball teams. Uh, and now they the two

1581
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:55.199
out of three of the ones they
kept don't have baseball teams. But the

1582
01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:58.640
whole league is mostly in baseball markets
now. I mean it's I think it's

1583
01:44:58.720 --> 01:45:03.000
like five out of eight because you
have the two Texas teams with baseball.

1584
01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:10.199
You got Saint Louis, you got
Detroit DC. Uh yeah, that's five

1585
01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:15.079
right, yes, so and then
the other three Birmingham, Memphis, San

1586
01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:20.520
Antonio don't have baseball. Well MLB
baseball, but I'm not too worried about

1587
01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:24.039
baseball in terms of a TV problem. So at least you'll have you won't

1588
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:28.039
have that problem. And also MLS
is now streaming only except for like some

1589
01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:31.359
Fox, so that's that'll be you
know, nobody watches them on TV,

1590
01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:35.840
but uh, that at least that
will be less of an obstacle for scheduling

1591
01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:40.680
compared to before. This is this, this might win the comment for the

1592
01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:45.399
day. Where's Chris on here?
Paraffinea needs to analyze this and then educate

1593
01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:49.319
it. I like that Pat,
get on this, you'll go go analyze

1594
01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:53.680
it. The worst part is it's
hard to educate somebody when you can't get

1595
01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:57.079
the facts. Yeah, I mean, what are we teaching? It's all

1596
01:45:57.199 --> 01:46:00.720
where it's all an idea right now, right we can in you can't talk

1597
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:04.319
about what's actually happening because where it's
all what we think is happening. Just

1598
01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:09.000
it's so frustrating. Yeah, Texas, but there's always gonna be something on

1599
01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:13.560
to compete again, ye yeah.
And then for Max, be sure your

1600
01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:15.560
passionate care for string football. I
know, not knowing what's going to happen

1601
01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:17.720
if more stressful than what we already. So you know, we're all we're

1602
01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:24.760
all in this together today. So
yeah, it's I'm so disillusioned, man.

1603
01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:28.279
I just I want to believe again, but it's it's so far gone.

1604
01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:30.600
Rod's got a comment here for being
such a good business people, and

1605
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:32.680
they seem to act like they have
no idea what they're doing or how to

1606
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:35.159
run the business. Where's Vince?
They need the twenty twenty I again,

1607
01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:41.720
Vince Vince bled money, But I
think Vince Vince understood the Carney aspect of

1608
01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:45.880
the WWE of like we're building the
local, we're taking everyone into the you

1609
01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:48.479
know that. That to me was
bled money. But he could have it

1610
01:46:48.520 --> 01:46:53.359
would have survived long term, like
I don't know about forever, but it

1611
01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:57.960
would have made it two ten years
almost certainly because they hadn't They hadn't built

1612
01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:01.479
that base. And I'll belie leave
act my age when I get given a

1613
01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:05.039
reason to believe. Yeah, yeah, Royce. Here, here's about players

1614
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:08.079
who signed with teams not going to
be there. Well, it's a lot

1615
01:47:08.079 --> 01:47:11.520
of like intent leathers, letters of
intent to sign right now, right,

1616
01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:15.079
and it's a lot of like player
rights being acquired. Right. Yeah,

1617
01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:16.199
there'll be a dispersal, like I
said, there will. There will be

1618
01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:19.159
a dispersal draft because there's no other
way to handle it. You need a

1619
01:47:19.159 --> 01:47:23.840
dispersal draft. God, I need
way more than a hug I need.

1620
01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:28.079
Is it too early to pop up
pop a beer? Here? Oh?

1621
01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:34.239
Yeah? Is that Easter weekend is
March thirtieth? Easter weekend I'll check here.

1622
01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:40.119
I just speak. Yeah, speaking
of this, I just had this

1623
01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:43.239
pop up here. This was just
on my Twitter March thirty. Yet that's

1624
01:47:43.239 --> 01:47:45.680
ever in the weekend for baseball.
This is terrible. This premely needs to

1625
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:48.479
kick off Thursday night after the Super
Bowl USFL. I've been playing well anyway,

1626
01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:51.199
That's all that said. But yeah, the March thirtieth thing seems to

1627
01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:54.760
be a sticky point right now.
I mean, I'm not a huge fan

1628
01:47:54.800 --> 01:47:58.039
of I really don't like the March
thirtieth thing either. I would have been

1629
01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:02.960
if they wanted to wait until the
like March third or whatever, the first

1630
01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:09.399
Saturday of Marches. That I would
understand because then you can get your Week

1631
01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:13.600
one in and then you can have
March Madness for week two through four or

1632
01:48:13.640 --> 01:48:16.920
five, and then kick off the
rest of your season with nothing else in

1633
01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:20.520
your way, and then you can
still maintain your Week one boost. But

1634
01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:24.319
now you have lost your Week one
boost. What do you got? Oh?

1635
01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:26.720
I just job and he's somebody they
take me in this tweet. So

1636
01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:30.159
this means I'm a free agent again. Actually, I need more information.

1637
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:32.479
This is interesting, Like the players
are totally in dark. I mean,

1638
01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:36.159
I can't imagine they know anything.
Well, that's it, and it's it's

1639
01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:41.720
it's challenging because I don't have a
lot of it. I mean, you

1640
01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:45.199
know, like Mike and Pat and
Evan and Anthony, they have a lot

1641
01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:47.199
more engagement with like players on here
and just in terms of like building the

1642
01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:49.840
fostering those and I should do a
better job, but I just but like

1643
01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:54.000
when I'm getting people like, hey, what's going on, Like, it's

1644
01:48:54.039 --> 01:48:56.920
it's interesting to me, like just
how in the dark a lot of this

1645
01:48:56.960 --> 01:49:00.560
is right now? Yeah, And
I feel like if you're a player,

1646
01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:04.840
and you I mean the only reason
I feel like I know what's going on

1647
01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:10.399
even though I don't really know,
is because I'm so closely following everything,

1648
01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:15.520
like to my detriment probably, but
uh, these players, if you're not

1649
01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:21.439
following every single small detail, you
can feel completely lost right now and you

1650
01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:27.279
have no idea what's going on.
And while yeah, I mean, if

1651
01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:30.159
he's if he doesn't get picked up
in that draft, he probably is going

1652
01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:30.920
to be a free agent. Right. It's kind of how it's going to

1653
01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:32.760
be for a lot of these guys, and it's it's just gonna be so

1654
01:49:32.840 --> 01:49:38.920
messed up and there's no communication.
It's it's I'm throwing my hands up in

1655
01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:40.560
there because I just I don't know
what to say to all of it.

1656
01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:43.720
We'll do about to we'll get out
of here. We'll do the two hour

1657
01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:45.640
mark. We'll get out. We
got a lot of comments to get through

1658
01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:46.640
here, and then we'll get out. One hundred and six people still watch

1659
01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:49.239
it. We have a lot of
people wanting to buy max the drink right

1660
01:49:49.239 --> 01:49:51.920
now. I would buy Maxic drink. We're all in this together. I

1661
01:49:51.960 --> 01:49:55.920
act my age went, I get
you, get you, gets you a

1662
01:49:56.039 --> 01:49:58.680
date. So we have a lot
of people wanting to wanting to buy max

1663
01:49:58.720 --> 01:50:02.039
the alcohol right now. So don't
get too crazy. Yeah I can.

1664
01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:05.680
I could use something fruity and sweet
right now. So if you want to

1665
01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:12.600
get Yeah, Easter is March,
that would be interesting. We you know,

1666
01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:15.840
we we dealt with that with the
USFL. Right is it that Easter

1667
01:50:16.039 --> 01:50:18.720
is mart? Is that that's so
early? Yeah it is. It's a

1668
01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:23.439
little early, but it's I don't
think USFL kickoffs during Easter because it was

1669
01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:27.000
always like it was no, it
was was like April fifteenth or whatever.

1670
01:50:27.119 --> 01:50:31.600
Yeah, wasn't that wasn't that Easter? What was the April fifteen, twenty

1671
01:50:31.600 --> 01:50:36.520
twenty two. Anyway, Yeah,
oh yeah, I'm getting the wrong Easter.

1672
01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:43.840
I just I just here we go. Chris Marcas is a voice in

1673
01:50:43.880 --> 01:50:47.560
the wilder this. I just got
an email from go Daddy. I guess

1674
01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:53.079
who just won a bidding him out
for the USFL shop dot com. This

1675
01:50:53.159 --> 01:51:02.000
guy, Well, there goes their
redirect link. Anyway, I was going

1676
01:51:02.079 --> 01:51:06.359
to say Easter twenty twenty two was
April seventeenth. Yeah, so is that

1677
01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:11.920
weekend? So apparently? Yeah,
I guess it fluctuates. I don't know.

1678
01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:14.239
I don't know how Easter dates are
determined. I'm Jewish, y'all.

1679
01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:17.399
Yeah, that's okay, that's okay. We're talking about kickofs here and all

1680
01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:20.640
this stuff. Gregory, I think
Gregory would hop on here eventually, the

1681
01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:26.199
winner of Spring Football. Welcome all
my spring league brothers and sisters. Are

1682
01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:29.880
we? Is Spring football winning right
now? Gregory? Are we? It

1683
01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:32.359
doesn't feel like we're winning right now? I'm sorry, but yeah, I

1684
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:35.279
want, I want. I want
to have your authorism, but I feel

1685
01:51:35.439 --> 01:51:43.319
like nothing but a complete loser right
now. Following this league, they say

1686
01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:45.479
here, and I wanted to get
to this before we get out the eighteen

1687
01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:50.000
is the part as long as they
play in terms of the fan viewing on

1688
01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:56.720
TV perspective, Excuse me with having
you know, presumably right eight hot markets,

1689
01:51:56.760 --> 01:52:00.560
Like, is that going to increase
kind of the visit ability and what

1690
01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:02.960
they want? Right? Like?
Do you think there's going to be better

1691
01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.920
attendant that's going to look better?
I guess that's my point. I mean,

1692
01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:09.720
I think the ones that you have
that were better attended will still be

1693
01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:13.840
better attended, and then the other
ones will be how they were or worse

1694
01:52:14.199 --> 01:52:19.279
potentially. I don't think I mean
this way. I don't think the interest

1695
01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:26.279
is going to increase on the national
audience from just having fans and stands,

1696
01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:30.920
because the XFL already had vans and
stands. What's going to it'll increase compared

1697
01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:35.239
to the USFL. It'll be closer
to the XFL level level on the UH

1698
01:52:35.880 --> 01:52:41.760
the the interest in national broadcast TV, where they were getting a considerably better

1699
01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:45.640
percentage on ratings compared to the USFL
from broadcast to broadcasts, and then on

1700
01:52:45.680 --> 01:52:49.640
top of that, they'll be that
better cable interest and also have being on

1701
01:52:49.880 --> 01:52:55.079
ESPN instead of f S one will
be really nice. Hopefully they are never

1702
01:52:55.159 --> 01:53:00.960
on f S one because f S
one is a total disaster. But overall,

1703
01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:04.000
do I think it's actually going to
increase interest in the league just by

1704
01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:08.319
having these this collection of teams orsus
a different collection of teams. No,

1705
01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:12.319
it's just going to be the people
who were more interested already sticking around and

1706
01:53:12.359 --> 01:53:15.479
then the people who are less interested
being kicked out the door. Correct,

1707
01:53:15.560 --> 01:53:19.960
I share those elements. We have
a couple extra with these comments are killing

1708
01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:26.720
me. Blake had this What sucks
is Danny's ig post pretty much consernances we

1709
01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:29.399
won't learn anything more for a couple
of weeks left in the dark with more

1710
01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:32.560
questions than we have before today.
That is also a similar sentiment. I'm

1711
01:53:32.760 --> 01:53:35.880
continue checking the USFL next of my
website, so it's kind of hard for

1712
01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:40.119
me to feel like there's more questions
whenever I've already asked every question under the

1713
01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:45.279
sun. But yeah, I mean
it certainly just makes me feel more completely

1714
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:48.239
confused of what is actually happening.
Yeah, Greg, well, the last

1715
01:53:48.279 --> 01:53:50.000
of these comments, Like I said, we'll get out of here at the

1716
01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:53.520
top of the hour. I love
spring football content as a minor development of

1717
01:53:53.520 --> 01:53:56.600
the league for the NFL. Now
is the competitor amazing the NFL is it

1718
01:53:56.680 --> 01:54:00.159
willing to help push it for a
few years for year round exposure. Well,

1719
01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:02.960
they've already done this before. The
NFL has already done the developmental minor

1720
01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:09.119
league thing, and it was not
sustainable and it didn't and also it was

1721
01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:11.800
it was weird because it was in
Europe, but it wouldn't have been sustainable

1722
01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:15.159
in the US the way they were
doing it either. They don't feel like

1723
01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:18.039
they need to do that. They
feel like they can just let things play

1724
01:54:18.039 --> 01:54:21.479
out on their own, and then
maybe what will happen is if one of

1725
01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:26.119
these leaves can never prove that they
can last, then they can establish some

1726
01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:31.800
more official relationship because now they're not
bearing the costs burden. Denzel's chiving in

1727
01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:38.039
the sales more like XFL than the
USFL. We'll see when the official branding

1728
01:54:38.119 --> 01:54:40.399
comes out. I'm curious to kind
of see, do you know do we

1729
01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:43.399
just roll in? Do you like? Do you rebrand? I mean not

1730
01:54:43.880 --> 01:54:47.039
like we keep let's say we keep
the releegads, right, but do we

1731
01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:49.279
do we do when you start the
tweaks on that? I mean there's no

1732
01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:53.239
time right. That's the other thing
is that the styles of these teams that

1733
01:54:53.319 --> 01:54:56.840
are being kept are totally different.
Like it'll be completely jarring to watch the

1734
01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:03.520
Memphis Showboats versus the the San Antonio
Bromis. They'll be so jarring to watch

1735
01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:06.439
on television because the study is fun. I mean, but thinking about the

1736
01:55:06.560 --> 01:55:10.119
NFL back in the day and when
they merge, and I think about how

1737
01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:14.479
the style was, there was no
massive diversion of styles and uniforms back.

1738
01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:16.199
I'm not saying it actually matters,
it's just going to be so funny to

1739
01:55:16.279 --> 01:55:21.239
watch, Like how different it's like
watching college football where you have one team

1740
01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:26.520
like organ is so over the top
with their uniforms, and then they're playing

1741
01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:32.760
Utah and it's like completely generic style
of uniforms. Yeah, Mike, asking

1742
01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:39.159
about the game broadcast, I think
NB The rumor was NBC's out. You

1743
01:55:39.239 --> 01:55:41.520
know, they won't be right in
my ear. I mean, there's no

1744
01:55:41.600 --> 01:55:45.039
there's no substantive rumor that NBC is
now. All we know is that NBC

1745
01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:49.920
was not in Washington. We don't
know anything other than that. But I

1746
01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:54.479
am betting that NBC is seeing the
writing on the wall. They're done.

1747
01:55:55.079 --> 01:56:00.239
We'll see though. Hope they keep
the X kickoff rules we're talking sea dragons

1748
01:56:00.239 --> 01:56:05.479
here to San Diego. No,
yeah, not happening. Sorry, move

1749
01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:10.840
along, Grog. Oh here it
is, Grog. Their comments are coming

1750
01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:12.439
so quick, I haven't give them
up. But I am much a bigger

1751
01:56:12.439 --> 01:56:14.920
fan of the X on the USL
because I'm a Defender's fan due to growing

1752
01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:16.760
up in the DNB. Glad the
Defenders and they had made the cut,

1753
01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:18.560
right, I mean, could you
imagine? Yeah, well, no,

1754
01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:23.680
that's yeah. I mean I think
it's you're feeling like you do. I

1755
01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:27.479
twenty four Uflonship game at cash Field. There you go, cash Man.

1756
01:56:27.960 --> 01:56:31.600
Uh that's your I read that as
Canton. Sorry, but either way,

1757
01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:34.039
I think that's funny. Either way. No, I left because it was

1758
01:56:34.159 --> 01:56:39.520
Cashman. I mean that is I
mean, it would be this league,

1759
01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:41.840
wouldn't it. It would be this
league if they had they just had to

1760
01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:45.640
go back to Vegas because Jerry just
couldn't let go Vegas. Not yet.

1761
01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:48.399
But yeah, no, I'm sure
it'll be at one of the stadiums they

1762
01:56:48.439 --> 01:56:53.359
already have. If you could pinpoint
and like I said, we'll get out

1763
01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:57.880
of here. Here's how they are. If you could pinpoint where this went

1764
01:56:58.039 --> 01:57:01.079
wrong, Like was it the Vegas
thing like, where where did the XFL

1765
01:57:01.640 --> 01:57:08.600
waiver here? Vegas was just a
symptom. Vegas was just like I said,

1766
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:13.199
the problem was the local marketing.
The problem is the complete lack of

1767
01:57:13.319 --> 01:57:16.600
communication, the lack of commitment to
building a fan base. That's the problem.

1768
01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:21.479
Everything else is just a symptom.
Vegas was delusion. Vegas was embarrassing,

1769
01:57:23.479 --> 01:57:27.760
But the league would have if everything
else was working in Vegas was the

1770
01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:33.239
only failure, we would have just
kept going. But Vegas was a microcosm

1771
01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:36.800
of everything wrong with this league.
And you could say the same thing for

1772
01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:41.720
the USFL with all their empty stadiums
that aren't the ones that are the hub

1773
01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:46.359
teams. So just looking through here
any love, if you have any last

1774
01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:49.680
comments on here again, man,
we'll get out. Got one hundred people

1775
01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:53.359
watching it. I would argue,
by the way, that this absolutely can

1776
01:57:53.600 --> 01:57:58.439
even though I think the AFL is
currently more uncertain, this new league can

1777
01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:01.199
absolutely be worse than the new AFL, because if the AFL is run more

1778
01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:04.800
sustainably in small scale to start at
least you don't have to worry about the

1779
01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:11.199
AFL immediately going up. Whereas it
really feels like this new iteration might not

1780
01:58:11.319 --> 01:58:15.760
last two years. Yeah, and
it definitely doesn't feel like it the last

1781
01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:19.840
three years. So hang on.
We might have one more tweet here they

1782
01:58:19.880 --> 01:58:29.920
get to before we get here,
we go. Sorry, we'll get out

1783
01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:31.439
of here, I swear, but
we got to get the break news before

1784
01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:34.359
we get out of here. Going
to handle it, you know. A

1785
01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:39.159
union statement on collective bard the agreement
and proposed I haven't read this yet.

1786
01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:44.960
November thirty, yesterday, league representatives
informed the union that the USFL proposed merger

1787
01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:48.079
completed the anti trust review process with
the Department of Justice. While in agreement

1788
01:58:48.159 --> 01:58:53.319
to merge Leagues has not been finalized, there's been significant progress in bargaining.

1789
01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:58.239
Rest assured the negotiating committee continues to
work diligently towards the agreement on the key

1790
01:58:58.319 --> 01:59:02.119
issues were received from player feedback,
including group licensing and union successorship. It's

1791
01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:05.960
been confirmed the first game of the
combined season will be Saturday, March thirty

1792
01:59:06.000 --> 01:59:10.119
at The overwhelming consensus of the board
of the players is that we will continue

1793
01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:13.600
to inform player membership in real time
based on the information. We have the

1794
01:59:13.720 --> 01:59:17.359
liberty to openly discuss the only thing
I wish we had from the union.

1795
01:59:17.399 --> 01:59:23.720
We aren't getting is when did those
conversations about the merged league bargaining begin.

1796
01:59:24.239 --> 01:59:30.199
We don't really have a tangible start
date. And second off, what's left.

1797
01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:34.279
If we can establish what's been done
and what's left, that would be

1798
01:59:34.399 --> 01:59:39.640
helpful for just us understanding where everything's
at. And maybe you can talk to

1799
01:59:39.720 --> 01:59:44.439
them and figure that out or someone
else, but that communication from their end

1800
01:59:44.479 --> 01:59:47.319
would just help us understand where the
players are at and figure out how can

1801
01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:51.359
we support them in that issue,
because I would prefer this new league to

1802
01:59:51.399 --> 01:59:56.039
be unionized. Of course. You
know me, I was staunching at the

1803
01:59:56.159 --> 01:59:59.000
end of the year last year.
Even though I was everything, I was

1804
01:59:59.279 --> 02:00:00.640
more XFL. The one thing I
said was that I was so happy to

1805
02:00:00.760 --> 02:00:05.520
usfol got unionis yeah, well and
it's it's good. So there we go.

1806
02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:10.239
That is we will. We will
put this ship to bed here today.

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There we go. Thanks for hosting
all of this and getting through all

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this. I appreciate everyone. Like
I said, one hundred people here are

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winding now. I think we topped
out at like one hundred and thirty something

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like that. Not too bad considering
we kind of hmmed and hot around here

1811
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for a while. Be subscribed please
thumbs up. Ninety eight people still give

1812
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a thumbs up. Get this video
supported. If the world changes, we'll

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figure out something tomorrow. Otherwise we'll
figure out something next week. CFL off

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season and we got the DC.
The Cory Mae is getting higher from the

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subscassion, wrough Friers kind of all
that stuff. But we'll see. It's

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a little nebulous right now. I'm
not trying to be too long. I

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mean, I like doing the Friday
thing and all of that, but like,

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I'm not doing two hours every Friday. Like, We're not rehashing this

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tomorrow, if that makes sense.
So if anything happens, Yeah, And

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one more question before we end.
Do you think you're feel comfortable in the

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notion that there will for sure be
a kickoff March thirtieth, twenty twenty four

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Merged League. Do you think it's
really going to happen or do you think

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how much of a possible do you
think it still could be that it falls

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02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:19.720
apart. That's a good question.
I considering how everything has come right now,

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it does give me pause because I
don't I am not in these rooms.

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02:01:26.920 --> 02:01:30.520
I sense that there is still a
lot of organizational distress. Going on

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right now, and even like today, as we've talked about before you and

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not one instance of any of this
coming out from the league has been in

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02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:44.479
you know, what I would deem
is like a suitably professional manner, right

1830
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getting Danny's ig posts, you know
whatever. So I don't know, I

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think that a lot of time and
energy has put into this. I certainly

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think they're going to try what do
you I mean fifty fifty, sixty forty,

1833
02:01:56.760 --> 02:02:03.520
I don't know, man, I'm
like, I'm like thirty seventy right

1834
02:02:03.600 --> 02:02:09.560
now, because it just you're telling
me it is, but you're you're not

1835
02:02:09.760 --> 02:02:13.600
put in any of the commitment.
You're not showing me. You're just saying

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02:02:13.720 --> 02:02:16.239
it offhandedly and then going back in
a dark room for a month, and

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we're not going to see that.
It'll be like Christmas and then they'll start

1838
02:02:19.840 --> 02:02:24.960
talking again, and you know,
they'll they'll wish Mary Christmas during the Bowl

1839
02:02:25.000 --> 02:02:29.399
games or whatever, and then on
the Dick Clark or whatever, and then

1840
02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:31.359
we'll get nothing again for several weeks. Next thing, you know, if

1841
02:02:31.399 --> 02:02:33.760
this is this is really happening,
it'll be training camp. You're like,

1842
02:02:33.800 --> 02:02:38.119
we have we wait, training camp
is happening we had no idea this was

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coming, because even though we thought
it was supposed to happen, you weren't

1844
02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:45.960
telling us anything. I don't know. I'm just I even like even the

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most basic thing I have a hard
time believing in right now, which is

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that there will be a football game
played by the merged league on March thirty

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02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:59.039
of twenty twenty four, and I
have faith in that way. To me,

1848
02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:01.920
it feels like this will be my
last comment. It's kind of like

1849
02:03:02.239 --> 02:03:08.319
when you used to watch Survivor and
you'd have like, you know, two

1850
02:03:08.520 --> 02:03:11.680
guys, guy grow whatever they're you
know, they're they're warring against their scheming

1851
02:03:11.720 --> 02:03:15.760
against each other. And then like
you get merged and you're on the merged

1852
02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:18.640
tribe and like you're still like you're
still working. It just doesn't feel like

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02:03:18.720 --> 02:03:23.600
there's a sympaticod like we are working
together here. Still very much feels like

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02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:26.439
and again, this is day one, right, we're putting this out,

1855
02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:29.920
but you know it was day one, September twenty eighth. Then here we

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02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:32.239
are going through all this and they
certainly aren't working with the fans, which

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02:03:32.279 --> 02:03:34.399
I feel like is a basic rule. So you know, if they're not

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gonna work with the fans. Yeah, all right, they feel bad.

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02:03:40.760 --> 02:03:43.720
You make good points, Ken just
feel sad. So I appreciate everyone.

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02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:46.479
Like I said, like and subscribe. We will see you soon as stay

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tuned, you know, turn on
the bells and all that kind of stuff.

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But we'll see you next time.
Next guys,