1 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:11,240 What's going on? Blippers fans, Welcome back to Clips and Dip. We 2 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:15,160 are on the season two, episode seventy four. The Clippers season has been 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,440 over for some time now. It's been a difficult, trying time for all 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,719 of us here at Clips and Dip. Thank you for sticking around. I 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,600 am Chuck Mockler, joined by William Updike and Adam Oslin. We have a 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,160 great show today. We opened it up for some Clippers off season questions. 7 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,920 There's a lot of pressing questions surrounding Lawrence Frank and some contract stuff. We 8 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:39,479 also, for the first time in show history, have dips. We have 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,039 dips on the show and some chips. We're gonna be talking about it, 10 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:48,479 maybe at the end of the episode, maybe throughout, depending on how things 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,679 go. We don't know what dip anyone else is eating before we get into 12 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:55,759 everything, so disclaimer, you might hear some chip noises. We are only 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,679 human. Adam, will how have you been kind of decompressing? I'm fully 14 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:07,799 decompressed, uh for this clip. How's your offseason? Adam? Just fully 15 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:14,319 depressed? Now, I'm okay. Uh. It's been a little bit rough 16 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,840 watching some of these playoff games. Some of it you watch Minnesota and Denver 17 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,599 and you're almost at ease thinking how the Clippers could beat either of these teams. 18 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:27,959 But then you see Dallas and Lucas still struggling and not shooting it that 19 00:01:29,079 --> 00:01:34,040 well, and they're what tied up at two to two heading back to Game 20 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:40,760 five against the OKT Thunder tonight, and the Thunder beatable as well. You 21 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:44,120 know, so it kind of feels like the path was there for the Clippers, 22 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,680 but they weren't healthy. Once again, it would have been nice, 23 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:51,239 though, because that's exactly what I was looking at during the season, to 24 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,519 see if Denver would lock up with Minnesota in the second round, because I 25 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,719 thought that would go six or seven, and it is. So it's a 26 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,920 little little bit, you know, it's a doubter its stakes. The Clippers 27 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:07,840 are out, and it's been weird without them for some time. But I 28 00:02:07,879 --> 00:02:10,800 guess there's plenty off season stuff to discuss. Anyways, here, Yes, 29 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:15,479 there's Will. How's your off season? It's going pretty good, man. 30 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:21,319 I haven't I traveled last weekend, so you know, I haven't had a 31 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,840 whole lot of time to uh sit in the loss. But you know, 32 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:30,639 life, life goes on, dude, Life goes on the Ultimate and if 33 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:36,159 you're the Clippers, apparently it's just wash and repeat. It's like every season 34 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,159 is the same, every day is the same. I'm just so I'm just 35 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:45,639 living man, smooth brain, full heart, can't lose the Uh yeah, 36 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,840 oh we're gonna be getting too some full dip. Yeah the Ultimate. My 37 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:52,479 team just lost in the playoffs. Vibe is Hey, it's you know, 38 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:54,120 it's it's just basketball. You know, we're all doing good. You know, 39 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,759 that's that's when those vibes come out, and it's fair will indulging in 40 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:00,719 some chips and dip. If if you're watching us, you can see us 41 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:02,919 eat some of these chips. If you're just listening to us, thank you 42 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,240 for listening, Thanks for hanging out. Let's get into some of these questions. 43 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:12,400 If anyone has thoughts on their dip that they just can't hold back until 44 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:15,680 the second segment, feel free to let it go. It's so flavorful, 45 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:17,879 guys, I don't know you can't hold back. We don't know what you 46 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,360 have. I will say, we're only like three minutes in, but I 47 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,080 love what the dip is doing to the dynamic of this show. It can 48 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,879 also be the first to forget some ne of their mic and just be chewing. 49 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,960 You get putting time out if it happens if you're getting called out. 50 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,080 Also, dip for future reference, could mean chewing tobacco, could mean something 51 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,479 you put on a chip. It's it's all fluid here at clips. Fun 52 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,879 dip yeah, hey, could be fun dip. Okay, So we got 53 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:53,719 some Clippers questions, we got some roster stuff. David Hellman wants to know 54 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:01,639 over under on how many seasons Lawrence Frank has left with this organizedation. I 55 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,759 think this might be his toughest offseason yet, considering what we're dealing with with 56 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:12,719 Paul George's contract and the roster itself and the second apron will what would we 57 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:19,199 put the line at two and a half? Yeah, I would probably. 58 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,839 I would probably put the line at two. I would. I would be 59 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:28,920 a little bit surprised. I think the thing that it really comes down to 60 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,319 is like, what's the understanding from ownership about the dynamic between the front office, 61 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,199 the coaching staff, and the players. It's been pretty clear now for 62 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,319 a while that those entities are not on the same page. And while I 63 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,519 think that it's fair to criticize Lawrence some of Lawrence Frank's moves or some of 64 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,480 the lack of moves at times. I mean, they weren't very aggressive in 65 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:55,519 like the buyout market or anything this season. What does he do if his 66 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,000 two star players say, you got to go out and get this guy, 67 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,399 you know, like I know, I mean, I guess that's you know, 68 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:04,759 what you would want from your GM. But the other issue was, 69 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,519 even when we were trying to build this team around what we thought the strengths 70 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:14,360 of it were, that wasn't necessarily lining up with what the coaching staff or 71 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,879 just specifically Tylu thought the rotation should be. So we had guys sitting on 72 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,000 the bench. Uh, And you know, so it's it's difficult to say, 73 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,279 And I mean it's certainly a situation where you know, if you're doing 74 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,600 your exit interviews or your performance reviews, everybody could point the finger at one 75 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:34,439 other person and at the end of the day, like you as the ownership 76 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,519 group just have to choose, like what guy you're gonna what guy you're gonna 77 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:43,079 stick with. That's a fair call, Adam. You think it's like three 78 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:46,399 more seasons that is a long tenure also as a GM for one team from 79 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,040 what he's been to three more seasons. That's like a fair tenure. You 80 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:55,800 know, It's not for lack of trying. I'd prefer not playing the over 81 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,839 under on so much's job. But that's just me question. Yeah, it's 82 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,240 not a great one. He could have said it and then said which side 83 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,600 are we going off of? But I like Lawrence Frank I do. I 84 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,639 think overall he's done a good job. Something Will has brought up is this 85 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,959 disconnect going on at times between the front office and the coaching staff. It 86 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,519 has felt like over the past couple of seasons where oh, in twenty twenty 87 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:25,079 one, we got to the Western Conference Finals, and we did so by 88 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,040 using wingstoff, by using a bunch of wings against the Dallas Mavericks against the 89 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,160 Utah Jazz, and so they loaded up in that area. But then coach 90 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,360 lou seemed to have a preference for guards. He said, straight up, 91 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:43,199 he has an affinity for guards. He was one. So it just is 92 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,519 strange that they aren't quite on the same page at times. You know, 93 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,920 Isaiah Hartenstein, we got to watch him get double digit offensive rebounds last night 94 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:55,079 for the New York Knicks. He'll be an unrestricted free agent he'll get paid 95 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,600 a ton of money this offseason. But that was someone who don't know if 96 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,000 he was as valued by the coaching staff or by the front office or neither. 97 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:11,560 I don't believe, because I don't believe in the front office. Like 98 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,480 if it was, I like, I don't think that Larry walked in the 99 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,160 room and said we gotta dump this hard guy for Josh Wall. Yeah, 100 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:26,879 it seems like the Stars and coach lou were still looking for that point guard 101 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,399 to make things easier on two one three. They got it this season with 102 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:32,959 James Harden, but John Wall obviously wasn't the answer at that point of his 103 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,920 career, and they missed out on Isaiah Hartenstein because of that, which at 104 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,279 the time he got more money going to New York. But did come out 105 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,120 later on a podcast and say he would have taken less to stay with the 106 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,639 Clippers, So which sometimes if something was lost there in communication, you know 107 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:51,480 what I mean, Like, sometimes I'm like, would you really have taken 108 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,240 less? Did you tell him that? I feel like if they's easy to 109 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:59,319 say after the fact, I think I think it makes more sense if you've 110 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:03,040 already signed the deal, Like if you're still in free agency, and trying 111 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,279 to get the best offer. It makes sense to put out there like hey, 112 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,879 I'll take a lower offer to go to a contender, and then you 113 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:13,000 know, you drive up your market price if you've already if the ink is 114 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,680 already dry on the dotted line, I mean, like then I guess I 115 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,480 have a little bit more of a tendency to believe it. I just think 116 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:24,879 the one failure with the front office and coaching staff is not working together in 117 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,480 unison, at least appearance wise, with some of the moves that have been 118 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,799 made, and whether or not coach lou has even used these guys when they 119 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:37,159 brought back Roco. He has that great twenty game stretch when he came over 120 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,960 from the Portland Trail Blazers. We're shooting seventy percent on corner threes and then 121 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,559 it's completely out of the rotation the next year. Also, he'll be a 122 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,639 free agent with Nicholas Batoum this upcoming off season. By roundhog Day, like 123 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:56,960 Will said, let's run it all. I just would love to see I 124 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:03,120 don't know a little bit more normany or just somewhat more of a connection between 125 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,519 the front office and the coaching staff. And look I don't have intel or 126 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:11,559 insight on this. I'm just going off of guys they have brought in that 127 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:16,120 either haven't been used or guys that they have let go. I'm just reading 128 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:20,240 Tea leaves on how this has gone over the past couple of seasons. But 129 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,159 I think overall, Lawrence Frank has done a really good job. Obviously, 130 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:26,000 he was Executive of the Year in twenty twenty after making the move to bring 131 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:31,159 in two Pine three. Every GM in the history of basketball would have made 132 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,960 that trade. Every GM in the history of basketball would have made that move 133 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,639 the exact same one that the Clippers did. So you can look back on 134 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:46,200 it now, and obviously it's sour because SGA's in the second round and thriving 135 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:48,960 and pulling them through in that Game four victory the other night, and the 136 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,279 Clippers are out and they may lose Paul George and obviously Kawhi Leonard hasn't been 137 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:58,360 able to stay healthy at the most important time of the season. But again, 138 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:03,399 it was a no at the time, and I don't think I honestly 139 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,559 believe every GM in the history of basketball was done the exact same thing SGA 140 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,519 and his ceiling. Then we thought maybe he's a fringe All Star type player. 141 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:16,919 Nobody saw this coming where he finished runner up in MVP by the time 142 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,159 he's twenty six years of age. And I go back and I look at 143 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,480 some of the other gms around the league, Like Bob Myers has been the 144 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,440 hot name out there because obviously he's a broadcaster now and did so much work 145 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,720 with the Golden State Warriors in that dynasty, and it'd be great if he 146 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,679 joined the front office. I'm not saying I wouldn't like that, but if 147 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,759 you go through with a fine tooth comb everybody else's decision in the draft and 148 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:46,679 some of their free agency decisions, it's typically not pretty. They're hitting about 149 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,799 thirty percent of the time, they're hitting three hundred, which is great. 150 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,840 That's like a hitter at the plate. You hit three hundred for ten years, 151 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,480 you're likely going to be a Hall of Famer in Major League Baseball. 152 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,159 That's how difficult it is to find guys to find the right If you go 153 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,559 Bob Myer's and find Steph Curry, he did bring in Draymond and Klay Thompson, 154 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,279 but it's been very spotty. Obviously, the James Wiseman and that move 155 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:15,279 didn't work out. So I just think there's a lot of blame that has 156 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:22,720 gone on Lawrence Frank and some of it A lot of it is unnecessary or 157 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,519 at least overblown in my mind, and he's I think it's also like the 158 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,399 ownership. Obviously, when you bring in guys like Kawhi and PG, they're 159 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,000 given certain protections in terms of media things and stuff like that. So I 160 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,879 think a lot of that falls on Lawrence Frank too. It's not like you 161 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,919 can look at our stars and well all of our main star and like critique 162 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:46,279 how they're acting. Like Lawrence Frank has to answer a lot of that directly 163 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,799 for how those stars perform, which I think makes him kind of a higher 164 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,240 profile GM if that makes sense. Well, and the biggest reason for the 165 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,679 Clippers' failures has simply been Kawhi Leonard's right knee not being able to hold up 166 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:03,320 something nobody could have addicted. So you know, it starts there. That 167 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,679 is the number one reason they haven't been successful. It's not so much moves 168 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,759 on the margins and all these different things. It's just Kawhi cannot be healthy 169 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:16,519 for a playoff run. We have Anthony Louti wants to know if they intend 170 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:22,159 on running it back. Why are the Clippers seemingly waiting on PG before seeking 171 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,080 to finalize Harden. Why not the other way around. PG is going to 172 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,440 test the market anyways, and Harden says he wants to be here, albeit 173 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:31,799 with a nice back. There are some caveats here. Hardiness said he's wanted 174 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,000 to retire at like every last team he's played for, So I do take 175 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:43,000 that with kind of a grain of salt. But why is this a functionality 176 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:46,679 thing? Can they not do Harden before they do PG? I genuinely do 177 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:50,720 not know if it's more advantageous to lock the guy up who you can overpay. 178 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,440 I don't think free agency starts untill June thirtieth, right, they could 179 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,320 sign him to a new deal right now. It's right after the draft, 180 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,879 right, yes, when our season, Our new season starts right after the 181 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,960 draft. So yeah, it just seems like a simple They just legally can't, 182 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:13,759 yeah, functionally cannot do that. It's not that they're holding back or 183 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,000 waiting to sign one guy to make something work within the cap and finagle things 184 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,120 the right way. It's just it's not the off season yet. We're not 185 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:26,600 there yet. Yeah, Carrie Tomato wants to know. Is adding a true 186 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,759 power forward to the two win three hard and core the only option to make 187 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:33,440 this group work. Play with size instead of small ball and shift man back 188 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,960 to the bench with Norm Bones, Kobe whoever else makes the rotation, or 189 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,799 is this team just cooked right before launching a new arena? Will your thoughts? 190 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:52,080 I'm leaning towards the ladder. Oh no, I mean, there's just 191 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:58,240 still still too many things up in the air with where the Clippers are going 192 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,519 to be at cap wise, there's not a lot that you can do that's 193 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,879 going to be like a huge upgrade from Terrence. Man, it could be 194 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,320 size wise or something, but I don't think you're getting like that much of 195 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,840 a that much of an improvement. And I'm not saying that Terrence is an 196 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,679 all star or anything like that, but like, you look at the assets 197 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,519 that we have to spend, what we can possibly trade if we're over the 198 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:22,759 apron, like it just there's not really a lot out there. And then 199 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,879 you know, so if you assume that not all of the Big three come 200 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:33,879 back, then maybe you can make some moves to get an upgrade somewhere on 201 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,080 the roster. Or if you can get a sign in trade. I think 202 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,840 that that's your best path in terms of being able to do something different while 203 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:45,759 still having a high level of talent. I don't know that you're still getting 204 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:50,320 a player of Paul George's caliber. You might get somebody with lower ceiling, 205 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:56,039 better floor. So I yeah, I don't know. I'd like I don't 206 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:00,399 think that there's the map no basically long answer short, no, there is 207 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:05,000 not the power forward out there that's going to magically fix the Clippers. And 208 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,960 I you know, I like the idea I guess of moving Kawhi out of 209 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,960 the four, I don't. I don't know. Threes are more mobile, 210 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:15,720 so should he be running around? I have no idea. Why not just 211 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:18,759 parking out the four? Uh? Depending on the matchup, I don't know. 212 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:22,320 Why is the only guy that we're keeping. So fix the team will 213 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,799 fix the team with what I just I can't do it with with a power 214 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:28,879 forward. And also, like the other thing to factor in two is like 215 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:35,559 Terrence is available and young, So what like what power forward are you getting 216 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,840 that hits all of those criteria? Uh? What what are you realistically giving 217 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,519 up? You have to push man to the bench. That would be a 218 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:50,240 lot. I just don't understand the premise of the question to make this group 219 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,639 work. It's like, well, the group doesn't work because they can't stay 220 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:58,480 healthy. It's not there's some bad construction there. Maybe they can power forward 221 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:03,120 and Kawhi Leonard. Yeah, they need to get younger, they need to 222 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,120 get more athletic. I understand that, but it's still the reason they have 223 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:11,960 failed is because Kawhi can't stay healthy. In the playoffs, We've never even 224 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:18,519 got to see this group fully healthy. And this is year five of two 225 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:22,879 to one three. Outside the bubble, at least with coach lou we haven't 226 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:26,600 been able to see it. I fully believe they need to get younger, 227 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,519 they need to get more athletic. They need to insulate two one three and 228 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:36,159 James Harden if everybody's coming back with younger players around them now, Zoo and 229 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:41,840 Terrence Man fit that criteria. They're guys just entering the start of their prime 230 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,720 and they're on really cheap deals right now where you're not going to be able 231 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,919 to, to Will's point, get the same value in return if you do 232 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:53,120 trade them, if you do move them. And Terrence Man, to me 233 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,919 was a top three player for the Clippers in that first round series against the 234 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,600 Dallas Mavericks. I think he was that good. I think it was him. 235 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:03,600 James Harden and Visa Zubas Whate are the three best players, and Terrence 236 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,319 really showed he has another level he can get to. We always talk about 237 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:11,839 guys raising their level of play in the playoffs. Terrence Man played much better 238 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,680 defense in that first round series than we had seen all year long. He 239 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:22,000 absolutely flipped an individual switch and maybe it was the further he got away from 240 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,759 that ankle injury that plagued him early on in the season, just the better 241 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:30,039 he got. Obviously shot well over forty percent and twenty twenty four in the 242 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:33,799 new year once the calendar turned over. That's just not the guy. I 243 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:37,480 mean, it always depends on what you're getting back, but I don't see 244 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,799 that as an advantageous move for the Clippers to lose Terrence Man, who's twenty 245 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:48,599 seven and entering his prime while making I think just ten million dollars this season 246 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:55,440 to bring in what exactly, it would seem like a lateral move at best, 247 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,759 and even that feels like a long shot to improve your roster while losing 248 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:03,559 ten It's man, I don't know. I would love to see him bring 249 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,680 back in. I know he's older, but he's still he's still good. 250 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,799 Buttoom if they could bring back in, but Toom on a contract minimum. 251 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:15,319 I think the four on the bench is kind of more interesting than than the 252 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,200 starting lineup needed to shut you round. Like I think, I do think 253 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,799 some more wing depth is needed. I just don't think that it's where we 254 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,000 don't have the assets or cap space to get somebody that's like true contender, 255 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:33,160 starting level power forward. So I think it's it's it's on the second unit. 256 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:37,920 The only reason I would say maybe someone like Batoomb could still start. 257 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:42,079 Obviously he might only play twenty minutes per night, but he could still start 258 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,559 is because Kawhi did make that comment during the season, like I'll do it 259 00:18:47,599 --> 00:18:51,039 till we get a real one. I'll play for until we get a real 260 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:56,359 one. So I think that is on their checklist this offseason to try to 261 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:03,480 find a starting Ali forward, whether or not that means he's one of their 262 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:10,240 five best players or just works in the starting five, because he pushes Kawhi 263 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:15,400 back to playing the three and Paul George back to playing the two, and 264 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,000 then as James Hard at the one. I don't know how they view it, 265 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:22,279 but there aren't a ton of options. They just aren't right now, 266 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,480 especially even if they had the CAF space. There aren't a ton of options, 267 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,440 right, Yeah, that it feels kind of stuck like that. Someone 268 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:33,119 asked if they think it's possible the Clippers would try and bring more pieces and 269 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,200 draft picks by moving off Man in Zoo. You're not getting pieces because no 270 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,599 one making six to ten million dollars is as good as these guys. And 271 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:45,240 you're not getting draft picks. And if we did get draft picks, that 272 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:48,839 would make us so bad and we wouldn't even have double the draft picks to 273 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,599 beginning, right, we can't bottom out, So it's it's a rock and 274 00:19:53,640 --> 00:20:00,240 a hard place. Those are valued assets internally. The Clippers being a to 275 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,920 get a Viasa Zubas being able to get Terrence Man that late in the draft, 276 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:08,799 that's a huge windfall for this organization. Those are the guys you want 277 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:14,240 to hold on to exactly and keep his culture and DNA with this team. 278 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:18,359 And yeah, they're good players on cheap deals right now, by the way, 279 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,440 and if you do resign them, they're obviously going to have their bird 280 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:25,160 rights, so you could go over the CAF to keep those guys, which 281 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,480 they'll have to. No one has more leverage and contract talks right now than 282 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,440 Zoo and Terrence Man, two guys who are young in play and know the 283 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:37,160 system because they were grown into the system. Basically, yeah, and why 284 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,759 would you want to let go of Terrence Man right after he becomes a starter, 285 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:47,519 right after having his best playoff series, He finally has gotten rewarded for 286 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:52,440 all his time of the odd job type of player. He has been filling 287 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,359 in the cracks and crevices here and there wherever the Clippers need him to play, 288 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,920 whoever they need him to guard. I just I don't see them being 289 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,599 able to bring in a guy as that good. I think Clipper Nation. 290 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,240 I know there's obviously a contingent of fans that does not like that, don't 291 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,160 like a beata zoobos er, don't value him very much, which is absurd 292 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:17,240 to me, But Terrence Man is pretty beloved. I would think universally everyone 293 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:19,720 will want to keep him and hold on to him. I understand the logic 294 00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:23,039 of well, these are guys who have value in our assets, so these 295 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:26,680 are the ones that other teams might want so if you need to make a 296 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,880 move or upgrade a different position, those are the guys who are tradeable. 297 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,519 But the problem is unless you're getting back other guys of equal value that are 298 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:41,480 also on that are also on smaller deals like they are, which is pretty 299 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,319 rare. I don't think it's it's an improvement for the Clippers. Yeah, 300 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:51,119 you're looking at best lateral move at the best Yeah, with an aged Kawai 301 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,599 who now somehow has to do more because we have new guys who are getting 302 00:21:53,680 --> 00:22:00,680 used to the system. Clippers Australia, we got this kind of question a 303 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,240 lot. Basically, I'm gonna combine to here. Would you prefer to watch 304 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,480 this team flame out in the first round with another Kawhi knee injury, very 305 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:15,599 blunt from Clippers Australia. Not that, not that, or a team of 306 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,680 young players, you know, maybe getting more minutes with the main focus being 307 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:26,640 bones Kai and Kobe Brown, but provide an exciting glimpse into the future while 308 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:36,480 not making the playoffs again picks. Yeah, I mean, like I just 309 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,079 want to be healthy. I do understand. I can understand some of this 310 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,519 thinking. There was a lot of this right after Kawhi went down. Here 311 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:48,119 we go again. Let's just blow it up, blow it up Dike, 312 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,119 what's called all time? Blow it up Dike and he sucks stardom two of 313 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,279 our finest pieces at work. That was a prevailing of you coming into this 314 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:06,240 season that the Clippers should already start over so for things to happen and transpire 315 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,160 the way they did where they ended up in the exact same spot as last 316 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:14,279 year, losing the first round while losing Kawhi Leonard. I'm not gonna say 317 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:18,359 that, you know, it doesn't resonate or just the idea of having a 318 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,480 bunch of young guys and you know, hope spring's eternal and that twenty nineteen 319 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:30,440 type of feel again with the Clippers would be nice. But I think it's 320 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,319 a little bit presumptuous that any of those guys pan out, Like just just 321 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:40,599 because you play young guys doesn't mean they continue to develop, they continue to 322 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,839 progress, and you go along this journey with them to where they're eventually a 323 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,359 playoff team again and they're contending for a title. That's just not how it 324 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,839 works. I think they need to see, and we've talked about this recently. 325 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,200 They need to see what some of these young guys have. They need 326 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,839 to play more minutes than we've seen over the past five years, just because 327 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,920 there's untapped potential. I do think there is some of that there, but 328 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,279 it's not a guarantee either way. It's not a guarantee for sure that Kawhi 329 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,039 Leonard is going to be hurt next year in the first round, as Laurence 330 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,480 Frank talked about that press conference, And it's not a guarantee if you start 331 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:21,599 over that you're not just spinning your wheels with guys that are never going to 332 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,000 be that great. Like, you don't want to be stuck in that position 333 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:29,640 either. Yeah, I think people are underestimating how long it takes to like 334 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:34,319 without draft picks. Without draft picks is the other such a big part of 335 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,559 the other side of this coin of like we're bottoming out and being bad, 336 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:42,000 but there is no reward. There is no reward in the draft coming for 337 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,839 like we don't even get the process. We would get the only bad parts 338 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:49,880 of the process, which is looking like shit. Well, yeah, I 339 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,000 mean you could give some of these guys all the playing time in the world, 340 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:59,000 and you know that doesn't mean that they're going to be like franchise guys. 341 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:03,079 Yeah, it doesn't necessarily even mean that they'll be quite like you know, 342 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:04,799 I'm not even talking an All Star, but like a decent rotation guy 343 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,559 like it. Just if it were that easy, let me tell you, 344 00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:14,880 man, people would bench those big contract guys for longer swaths of the season 345 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,440 if it were possible. For example, I believe the Lakers before Lebron came 346 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,680 had seven straight seasons or something like that of not making the playoffs, at 347 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,920 least five straight where they were playing young guys and some of them turned out 348 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,839 to be okay. I mean, you had Jordan Clarkson in there, you 349 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,359 had Julius Randall, Josh Hart's doing big work right now for the Knicks. 350 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,799 Brandon Ingram, who I think could be an interesting name out there. I 351 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,119 don't know if we'll get to that in this podcast, but he's somebody I 352 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,440 really like a lot, and apparently the Apelicans would have moved on from him. 353 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:53,680 But like, there's not one SGA there, there's not one superstar MVP 354 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,480 caliber player there. And they got a ton of time to develop, they 355 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:02,880 got a ton of on court minutes. They eventually went to other teams. 356 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,640 Their contributors, but you still have to have a hammer. You have to 357 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,440 have a superstar to build around. So I just when it comes to these 358 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,759 two decisions. We talked about this recently, Chuck on here, of your 359 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:23,200 options are run it back with everybody and just hope for better health, versus 360 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,319 be bad with young guys while still not getting draft picks. To me, 361 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:34,720 I'm easily choosing to run it back with guys right now and just hope for 362 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,359 better luck and fortune. Yeah, because it's not I mean, it's still 363 00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:42,480 you know, it's still an uphill battle even if healthy with the stars being 364 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:47,039 the age that they are. But like you look at the alternative and it's 365 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,039 like, man, I guess I'd rather I don't know, I guess I'd 366 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,400 rather lose my shirt, like betting betting on like the favorite than like the 367 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:03,240 huge the huge windfall. Yeah, it would be. It would be a 368 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:07,119 real decision if you actually were going to receive those draft picks every year after 369 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,400 being bad with they don't have that luxury. Yeah, if they were on 370 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,319 the table, I'd be like, sure, I don't screw it. The 371 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:22,119 next first round pick they have is twenty thirty guys, so they're thinking of 372 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,839 As much as you may not like the idea of running it back, the 373 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:33,599 alternative is a pretty bleak outcome of just young guys winning thirty games maybe per 374 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,119 season, and then the Cavalry never arrives with a first round pick to speak 375 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,440 of. Because of that, we got those high seconds, though that thirty 376 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,039 first pick is basically a first round pick, actually might not even have those 377 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:51,240 now that I think about it, We had a what do you think I 378 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,640 I that question talking about The more we talk about it, the more I 379 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,960 think about having to watch a team. Yes, the Clippers have been incredibly 380 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,119 frustrating and may have broken my brain this season in terms of how I view 381 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,359 this team's outlook. That being said, I would rather watch that than a 382 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,160 team of guys with a coach who, in tylu I don't think has any 383 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,400 interest in what the Clippers would be doing, which is A he has no 384 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,799 notice in botoming out That's why I got fired from Cleveland, and B we're 385 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:23,240 botting it out for nothing. The more we think about it, it's like, 386 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:33,039 it's just it feels insane to want to just suck ass with no uh, 387 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,200 with not And I know the draft is a gable, but without even 388 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,960 a modicum chance at getting a franchise. You were just like sucking. I 389 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,799 mean, like one of the young guys already on the roster would have to 390 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,000 turn out to be really, really really good. Like that's truly the only 391 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,880 way this sit. We don't know, we don't even have the picks, 392 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,480 so like we have to we would have to hope that one of these guys 393 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,160 that gets extended minutes is somehow really really good. In every All star in 394 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,880 the league somehow missed out on it and we caught it. Have you heard 395 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,200 of Kai Jones? I'm interested in Kay Jones? I am too, but 396 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000 I don't I'm not interested to the point where I say we should bought the 397 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,720 season and give him thirty five minutes a game. That it sounds like an 398 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,920 option of basically having the dip but no chips, wow, chips in it. 399 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,440 That's what it sounds like, not getting a draft picks while going with 400 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,359 the youth movement, where by the way, in the West, you might 401 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:33,000 win twenty games if you really try to hit a hard reset and see what 402 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:34,759 you got with young guys in the Western Conference with the way it is right 403 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,960 now, and we'd be getting a new coach, because Tyler would quit. 404 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,960 Tyler would be like, I'm not doing this. This is not what I 405 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,160 want to be doing, right. I think Tyler would quit if they blew 406 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,200 it up. Yeah, he's rightfully, it's not a rebuilding coach. I 407 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,640 don't know, he's a young player development coach, although you know tbb uh 408 00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:57,599 who you know who knows what he's like with, you know, the developing 409 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,960 some of the younger talent. But yeah, I think Tyler is walking out 410 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,680 the door in that scenario. Right for youself. We can't really stress this 411 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,319 point enough, guys. Well, neither option is the greatest thing in the 412 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:15,759 world. The difference between playing a bunch of young guys for draft picks that 413 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:22,880 aren't coming, versus having Kawhi, Paul George, and James Harden granted aging 414 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,799 stars, sure, and somewhat of a chance. To me, that's really 415 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:33,200 not much of a question. I'm gonna go with running it back. We're 416 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,279 going with running it back. We're gonna take a quick audio break. For 417 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:38,880 those of you listening. For those of you watching, you can watch Adam 418 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,480 put some dip on his chip. Will is covering his camera, but I 419 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,000 believe he's eating. We're gonna talk about dips in the next segment. We 420 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,119 got a couple more questions and then we're gonna get to that very important diptalk. 421 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:53,240 We got audio break coming up in three two one. What's going on? 422 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,519 I just finished a delicious chip with some dip. We talked about the 423 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:02,000 Clipper season outlook. We got a couple more male questions, but then you 424 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:03,759 know, you know what you're here for. We're here, you're here the 425 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:11,799 different view. But let's let's let's let's jump back into some of these questions. 426 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,920 A lot of people are on the move. Norm train Gabe Moreau wants 427 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:22,799 to know thoughts on John Collins for Norm PJ PJ plus pick for Grant Williams, 428 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,680 Charles, were you honest? I don't want Grant Williams on this team. 429 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,160 He's been a guy who he was tweeted at us a couple of times, 430 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,880 and he doesn't seem like a good locker room dude and his I didn't 431 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,920 watch a lot of the Hornets Granted, but it doesn't exactly pop out to 432 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:44,599 me that he would be a huge improvement for our bench or something like. 433 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,279 I don't know about the Grant Williams. I don't it's Norman PJ is not 434 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,799 getting it done for John Collins. We're having to put a pick to that, 435 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,519 right, Like, that would be kind of a crazy No, that's 436 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,119 an insane ask for John. I agree, but we only have one pick 437 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,319 to put on it, which is a twenty thirty first which they're not trading. 438 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,319 Yeah, there's no insensive for Utah to do that without a pick because 439 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,960 norm actually is under contract for two more years, where after this season, 440 00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,160 John Collins is a player option which he will take to get out and get 441 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,799 a bigger deal. Right. Yeah, I like I like John Collins a 442 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,440 lot. If there's a way to get it done, like you said, 443 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:29,400 Chuck, with a draft pick in there that isn't the twenty thirty first round 444 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,799 pick? Is that four? Is that the four that magically fixes the Clippers? 445 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,519 He's been talked about for a while years At this point, dude, 446 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:42,519 it's crazy. Yeah, I don't. Hey, you've athleticism. I like 447 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,240 John Collins. I do think it would be a good fit, but I 448 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,079 don't think Utah's doing that. I don't think Danny Ainge, who's one of 449 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,960 the shrewdest front office men and got everything he wanted out of Gobert and Donovan 450 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,039 Mitchell trading their two stars. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be that 451 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,359 easy. You. Also, I like John Collins a lot, like the 452 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,400 idea of the fit, I don't think he's high enough value to attach the 453 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,319 twenty thirty pick, and I may be overvalua on that, but like, 454 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:12,119 good lord, where is this team going to be in twenty thirty? Like 455 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,680 that has to be I mean, I would put that at a very high 456 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,440 value pick. And I don't think that Norm plus any combination of salary filler 457 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,200 plus the twenty thirty to me, John Collins is not that caliber player. 458 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,920 Sorry. That twenty thirty is crazy valuable if you if you look at the 459 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,519 Clippers right now, if you're another team, it's like, that's a pretty 460 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:36,880 valuable pick unless they just keep kicking the can down the road and just keep 461 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,039 re upping with guys and bringing in veterans and they never drafted from the first 462 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:46,359 round again. Oh god, it feels like a real possibility. We got 463 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:52,039 another Norm one who says Andyyune asks, who says, no, Norm Powell 464 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,839 to Orlando for Jonathan Isaac. I've been obsessing with this guy's defensive difts Orlando. 465 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,640 Orlando Orlando says no, immediately, what are you talking about? Come 466 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:05,160 on next, Jonathan Isaac's very good, he was able to lose. But 467 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:09,960 oh yeah, but Jonathan Isaac way younger. Yeah, I'm trying to see 468 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,280 what Jonathan Isaac's contract situation is because I don't think he's making close to what 469 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,639 Norman Powell is. So okay, and you know what, I take that 470 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:24,239 back. No, he's at seventeen million, so he's close. Norm's making 471 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,079 a little bit more, a couple more million than him, but they're both 472 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,639 or excuse me. Jonathan Isaac's contract is up after this next season, so 473 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,559 he'll be in an intricting free agent in twenty twenty five, while Norman Powell 474 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:42,280 is still under contract for one more year. I don't know. Norman Powell 475 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,199 does have value. That is somebody that you can talk about when it comes 476 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:52,039 to trades involving the Clippers and actually getting something solid back for He easily should 477 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,679 have finished to me top three and six man the year voting. Come on 478 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,639 and Jonathan Isaac, Yeah, I like him. I think that'd be great 479 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,079 to have him at the four, but I don't know what it would take. 480 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,800 I think it would take more than Norman Powell would for Jonathan Isaac. 481 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:14,400 No, because he's so injury prone. That's that's the chance you have getting 482 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,119 him is just because of his injury history. And maybe Orlando wants to move 483 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,119 on because of that reason. But this way, a couple of ducks in 484 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,119 like the short term, Yeah, or feel like they need to make more 485 00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,719 of a push because they lost in the first round. They need more scoring 486 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,000 out there and that kind of was their issue in that series. Maybe it's 487 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:38,039 not that crazy that that Orlando wouldn't at least think about it or pick up 488 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:45,039 the phone throwing a couple of seconds tossing four second round picks. Yeah, 489 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:52,840 why not? Tucker, Yes, skip trade PJ for anything. PJ in 490 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,599 the first is something People asked us about what we could get for that, 491 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,960 and it was like nothing. He makes eleven million dollars a year. I 492 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:07,960 don't know. We got asked what favorite free agents we have for the minimum 493 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:13,000 contract. Guys. I looked at the list Bizmack Bimbo, like that's all 494 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,679 I got for the minimum Okay, okay, okay, okay. I think 495 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,960 Nicholas Patoom could be on that list. I think him or Roco could be 496 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,960 there. I No, I think they could. They could be Yeah, 497 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:32,119 minimum contract guys, I maybe maybe even older next year. Sure, I 498 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:37,320 don't you don't have a lot of options if you got Sean and Isaac. 499 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:45,800 What about what about he might make too much but he might not Patrick Beverly 500 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,519 on the minimum? I dude, I don't want on this team again. 501 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:59,039 Yeah, the recent stuff going on with him is tough. It seems like 502 00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,920 he's really leaned into the barstool thing. And before that I would have been 503 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,880 all about it because he's my all time one of my all time favorite slippers. 504 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,599 But I just think, I mean, like, I don't think it's 505 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,440 a secret, like Paul George and Kahi are not eager to work with him 506 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,320 again, and like aside the Chris Paul incident aside, Like I think that 507 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:24,360 I think that there was some vocal dislike of Patrick Beverley in that locker room. 508 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,840 But we don't need any more broadcast hosts. We don't need any more 509 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,199 podcast hosts in the locker room. Yeah, let's get active players with a 510 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:39,159 podcast down to none. That'd be sick. Is there a roster in the 511 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,480 NBA that has that going on? Oh? That might jazz? They don't 512 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:50,159 have any podcast hosts, right Kings. I I don't know. There could 513 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:54,639 be some obscure like calling sexon. Might have a podcast that's a podcast on 514 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,360 like like magic, the Gathering Cards or something that would be sick. Actually, 515 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:01,880 again, I've said it before, if Paul George just did a podcast 516 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,880 about fishing, that would be great. He loves fishing, just talk about 517 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,039 fishing. We didn't get any questions about Paul George's contract, which I was 518 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:15,760 a little surprised by, but we have to assume that it's I don't know. 519 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,920 It just feels like he wants a max and they're like, what about 520 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,960 less than a max? And he's like, we'll get back to you. 521 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,639 That's what everything's speaking of, reading the tea leaves. That's what it feels 522 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:27,559 like is happening right now. It looks like he's going to use the market 523 00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,920 for leverage to see, Hey, Philadelphia is offering me this, what will 524 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,599 you guys give me. I do think there's a part of him that would 525 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,920 like to stay a Clipper and love to stay in southern California. I'll just 526 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,280 stay in Los Angeles, And that's the leverage side from the front office, 527 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,480 Like you don't have to move, you can stay here. That's their angle. 528 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:52,599 I'm guessing to get him to take us to just be ada. George 529 00:38:52,599 --> 00:39:01,440 Man, it's gonna be What did you guys make of his last podcast talking 530 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,519 about their exit And I felt like I didn't listen to I didn't listen to 531 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,760 it. Give me the play on your phone fast, No, just give 532 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,840 me the give me then they should have played more aggressive. They were playing 533 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,239 too much hero ball. I felt like I had a big gash in my 534 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,760 arm. And at what point was he playing hero ball? I felt like 535 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,239 I had a big gash in my arm and someone part a bunch of salt 536 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,280 in it. Is how I felt hearing him talk about it. He ended 537 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,199 up attempting fifteen shots per game in that series, right, That's where it 538 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,679 ended up, like four in the second half of Game six, after he 539 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,199 had fourteen points in the first half. PJ Tucker outscored him in that half. 540 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:45,239 The thing that I kept thinking about when listening to the talk of whether 541 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,360 or not you should be more aggressive, or whether or not you should get 542 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:55,199 your teammates involved in striking that balance is and him saying specifically they're playing too 543 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,199 much iso ball and a lot of people said, oh yeah, why are 544 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:06,320 you guys always doing that? I would push back on everyone thinking that it's 545 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,039 so much of a plan to play iso ball, as opposed to they have 546 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,519 older guys that aren't beating people off the dribble, so it ends up being 547 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,320 iso ball out of necessity. I don't think it's so much of a strategy. 548 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,760 I think the isolation is because they're not getting too fat in the paint, 549 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,639 they're not beating their man off the dribble, They're not creating enough mismatches 550 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,360 and enough of teams getting in rotation. That's what I think the issue is. 551 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,920 I never hear I don't really hear Tyleru on the sidelinine off and you 552 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,719 know, and run the Iso ball. I like him not being able to 553 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,800 get past Derek Jones Junior enough and getting clamped by him throughout some of the 554 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:52,360 series. That was the issue. It wasn't an x's and O's thing. 555 00:40:52,840 --> 00:41:00,079 Like a hero there the contract. If they signed to a max contract, 556 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:04,280 that is going to be a very fun live stream. All right, we're 557 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,519 in the more fun questions and then we're getting to those dips. I know 558 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,920 we've been wanting to review them. I've been trying to grin and bear through 559 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:17,480 the horrible option I made through this whole episode. TD bassar Ass. Just 560 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,559 wondering if y'all will be open to sharing what you do outside of the podcast 561 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,039 for work and some background on how y'all started the pod. Adam, where 562 00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:30,039 exactly do you work? Give us the latitude longitude? I mean it's two 563 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,199 miles down the street here in Burbany, thirty four hundred west, all of 564 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,840 the Pinnacle building, across from the old NBC building. That's where five seventy 565 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,760 ELA Sports is. That's where I've been working since two thousand and nine, 566 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,199 and that's how I mob with the clippers. So that's awesome. Yeah. 567 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,440 I work for the Natural History Museums of Los Angeles County. I work in 568 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,400 the marketing department. I don't know very many facts about animals, but if 569 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,000 you're at the museum one day and you see me, I'm probably very busy 570 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,639 and I can't talk or say go clips will Where where exactly do you work? 571 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,119 And what hours and what route do you take to commute there? I 572 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:13,239 work at the Jiffy Loop by Sunset Junction, and I'm very quick at changing 573 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,079 well, very good cars, as you might imagine. Thanks for that air 574 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,800 filter upra. Yeah, and then we started the pod because Will and I 575 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,440 left Locked on Clippers because it was too much work and we wanted to have 576 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,639 more fun, and I almost took over afterwards. Luckily that didn't happen because 577 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,000 yeah, one guy doing that five days a week, that looks like a 578 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,320 very much of a grind and Don Droppers doing a hell of a job. 579 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,519 Anyways, who needs me shout out dime. So that's how we started the 580 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:43,840 pod. Will do you have any other insight on how we started this pod? 581 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,079 Didn't it come to you in a dream or something? No, I 582 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:52,760 mean, like we, I mean, the genesis of this pod, even 583 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,719 including I think a pun in the name was we had a podcast called Shavings 584 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,920 a long long time ago when there were no podcasts about the Clippers, and 585 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,400 we were like, man, it'd be fun. It'd be fun to just 586 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,639 have a podcast about the Clippers because nobody there there clips clips cast was there, 587 00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,360 but that was really about that was really about it. Well, I'll 588 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,559 let you know. That's the longest running Clippers podcast. It is. Yeah, 589 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,960 yeah, I got that going for him. Not the most regular, 590 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,800 but it is the longest running UH Clipper Nick with maybe the most important question 591 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,320 of the day, given the officiating disparity of the MAVs series, is next 592 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,000 season, finally, the year that it beats the zoo box gross his hair 593 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:37,880 out to try and draw more fouls? God, I hope. So he's 594 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,800 getting a extra ten million year if he gets a couple more free throw attempts 595 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:44,880 and that comes from the long hair. I don't know. There's just not 596 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,519 enough time, man, He's he's already too late. He needed to months 597 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:51,840 ago. So you're saying I'm good, Yeah, I'm good with Lee. 598 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,000 There's no rules against that, are they? I don't think so, Adam, 599 00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:59,199 were you at Zoos? Should have long hair? Haggle? No haggle. 600 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:04,159 I like the buzz cut, keep it clean. I don't think they 601 00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:07,760 got screwed in that series for the most part because of fouls. About would 602 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,880 it make him more recognizable to his teammates? I don't want him to be 603 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,679 more hidden out there on the court, like, who is this new guy 604 00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:19,280 with long hair? We can't play in the basketball? I want. Yeah, 605 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,119 it's a flow. It's like like Eric Lindross or something like that, 606 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:30,599 like an eighties thick hockey mullet, little Ferrell thing, Yeah, anything anything. 607 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,039 So when his head snaps back from getting hit in the forehead by three 608 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:39,440 Thunder players, the ref gives him the call. He does have the longest 609 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:51,159 hair is Jimmy Butler is uh it is preseason media introduction. Jeremy Wing got 610 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:58,519 those extensions like crazy readlocks. Yeah, well, I hope he doesn't get 611 00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:00,159 dreadlocks. That wouldn't be a good That's that are problem with Clippers. Don't 612 00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:07,719 need next year? He does need fake hair like the lead stinger accounting crows. 613 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,320 Uh, Chenny John, and then we're gonna get we got some very 614 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,000 important stuff. Chenny John asks what possible features slash in game events at the 615 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,760 into it Nome? Do you guys want to see VR hot Dog cannon headset, 616 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,360 play exhibits of ripped ballber shirts, chuck the condors, churro quarter pounder, 617 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,400 muscle up, bicep curls, verse follow Adam a will, Where are 618 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,360 you going with any of these or any new ones you can make me think 619 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:42,320 of? Sorry, I'm just relooking over I'm just relooking over the list. 620 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,159 I guess I like VR hot Dog cannon headset. Great question by the way 621 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,119 change on. These are all great options. I like the VR hot dog 622 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,639 headset. The other one I was throwing around the other day was check the 623 00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:59,880 condoor getting launched out of a cannon into a washing machine and then a bunch 624 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:05,559 of confetti shooting out and just saying we're washed. Pretty fun. That's a 625 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,079 great bit. Adam, would you be willing to do the bicep challenge halftime 626 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:15,320 with into it if it's necessary. I feel like that'd be a pretty weak 627 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,320 halftime show. I'd rather have the guy out there with the ladders or the 628 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,159 dog or sure. Yeah, okay, well what about it, I'm not 629 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,679 worthy? What about timeouts? Well you're worthy of that. Yeah. It's 630 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,360 also a vanity exercise, you know. That's not really Adam's approach. No, 631 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,440 it's not like I'm wearing a tank top right now or underneath this. 632 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,800 Uh. I like the idea of more extravagant food. He's talking about the 633 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:46,079 five pounds chorro wherever, whatever it is. Yeah, I'm sure Charles Barkley 634 00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:49,639 would have someone to say about that. With the Women of San Antonio or 635 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:53,360 whatever. If there was a big old churro, has anyone done like a 636 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,320 churro dog like sort of a churro around a hot dog, so similar to 637 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,679 a hot dog on a stick, but with the My guess is, yeah, 638 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:12,599 probably they've had it at Crypto. Where were you? Yeah, I 639 00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:17,199 went about a hot dog inside? What about a hot dog but it shaped 640 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,760 like a hamburger? Dude? What about in the inside of the hot dog 641 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:30,880 is filled with cheese? A huge giant that of a dip weekly that we 642 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:37,480 pick that they then use it into it dome like podcast, like the block 643 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,079 of cheese it used to be in the White House that people could come take 644 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,800 pieces off of. It's just a big thing of dip. People can Everyone 645 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,920 gets sick and there's like, yeah, a security guy there watching making sure 646 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,920 there's no double dippers, like that would be. You get one dip. 647 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,880 It's like communion. You get one cracker, like they should market it like 648 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,840 that. It's like communion. All right. I saw on Twitter that DJ 649 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,440 Dentz has a home phone. He tweeted out that he still has a home 650 00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,639 phone. Really quick, will what other clipper do you think still has a 651 00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:15,039 home phone? I mean the easy answer is quiet. I feel like, 652 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,599 right, yeah, but also PJ. Tucker because he's old. I feel 653 00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:21,920 like he feels like you have to. You can't live in a house without 654 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,400 it, without a home phone. Yeah, he's got this one. He's 655 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,639 got the whole phone where you have the you're speaking into the wall and you 656 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,519 have the the aar piece. Adam. Still he still asks, he still 657 00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,679 calls and asks someone to connect him to the other phone number. Yeah. 658 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,880 Yeah, instead of instead of just dialing the phone number, can you connect 659 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,519 me to the Malibu News sports reporter please? I have some very exciting information. 660 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,199 Uh, Adam, who's your pick for clipper with a home phone? 661 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,119 Uh? I'll go on the other end. Maybe one of the young guys 662 00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:59,159 is kind of a hipster. They want some retro at their place, maybe 663 00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:02,719 Busy Bone, maybe Brandon Boston, maybe Kobe Brown or Musa. They have 664 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,039 a they have an old landline there just to experience something that they never had 665 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,760 as a child. That's a really good pick. I think. I mean, 666 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,519 people are putting albums on cassette tapes now, and it's like, what 667 00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,280 is the advantage, guys, There's absolutely none. A record makes sense. 668 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,519 This doesn't. I was gonna I'm going Zoo. I think Zoo might have 669 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:28,239 some old tendencies as someone who's I want a picture of beatsa zoobots making a 670 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,920 call on a Hamburger phone. So that Hamburger from the Juno Hamburger phone. 671 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:38,880 Eric, if you're listening, if that can be any kind of joke Zoo 672 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:45,280 talking on a Hamburger phone. Okay, the moment we've we have been waiting 673 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,039 for, and I think most of our new listeners who are certainly tuning in 674 00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,519 for the dip talk, Welcome to the Dip, the first ever dip review 675 00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:59,639 segment. We're tired of everyone saying, so, do you guys try out 676 00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,039 dips on the show? No, we don't. We've been beaten into submission 677 00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:07,679 by the masses who would like to go first. Who feels their dip is 678 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,719 the best. I feel that mine is firmly the worst. I will gladly 679 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:17,320 go last. Let's go worse first. Great this dip, I just to 680 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,880 set the mood. I tried the dip with a salt and pepper kettle chip 681 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,039 is what I did for my chip. I don't anything too crazy, but 682 00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:29,960 I don't think too plain. It's usually what I eat uh dip with chip. 683 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,760 Wise, it's a good chip, very good chip. I went out 684 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,280 of my comfort zone on this one. I enjoy trashy foods, but not 685 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:44,239 like this. I went with the Doritos Cool Ranch Hollapano flavored dip. I 686 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:49,519 would have thought you would have love this. It's so bad. It's very 687 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,360 Oh I bought the top. Yeah, I want to see it. I 688 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,760 think it's pretty obvious with the dip. Are you supposed to use the cool 689 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,400 rand Dorito's chips specifically for this dip? Does it go well or is it 690 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,239 clash like that would actually be a knock on the dip in my You shouldn't 691 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,320 need a special chip for the dip would be my knock on that. But 692 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:15,480 this is very bad. It's kind of Should we just do one to ten, 693 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,000 one to five? Okay? Yeah, we don't want to make it 694 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,000 for me? What is it a star? Or is it with Let's do 695 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:28,519 buy again, Let's do buy again? Yes or no? Would you buy 696 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,320 this for a barbecue? I would not buy this for a barbecue for someone 697 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,280 who I liked? Would be how I would describe this. If you're my 698 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,840 enemy and you go to barbecue people you hate, sometimes you like that. 699 00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:46,000 I went to this guy's funeral just to make sure he's dead. I'm giving 700 00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:52,920 them this horrible dip on the picnic table and then I'm irish goodbye. All 701 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,559 right, So who's well among you two? Who's enjoying their dip more? 702 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,239 I mean, I mean, well, I got a double I got a 703 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,760 double dip. Actually for you? WHOA, what's a hot chip tip? 704 00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,159 All right, well let's do adam and then we'll do the double dip and 705 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,559 hot chip tip to close. Yeah, this guy's got some layered dip, 706 00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:20,039 you could say, with the explanation coming. I have the Trader Joe's spinach 707 00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:23,960 and kale Greek yogurt dip, which I have tried before. It's classic. 708 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:30,599 It is a hot item at Trader Joe's. The only problem with this dip 709 00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:35,639 is having a parker to Trader Joe's. There's never been a Trader Joe's with 710 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,320 a decent parking lot in existence, at least from what I've seen, and 711 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:46,280 I've never left California. I also had something I went with oven baked cheese 712 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,920 bites because it's low carb. It's just cheese that's you know, baked, 713 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,679 and you could eat that by itself. You don't even you don't even need 714 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,280 dip with that. The dip is very good, but then also some seaweed 715 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,360 paper here if I want to go really healthy. But the dip is thick, 716 00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:07,159 man like, it is thicker than a bullet oatmeal. I could almost 717 00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:10,920 turn this upside down if I wanted to try this out and turn it upside 718 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,079 down. Do it? Please see if it stays in. Oh that's good. 719 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:21,960 It's good. So you would bring that? Would you bring that to 720 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,519 a barbecue? Oh? Yeah, all day? I worry, But it's 721 00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:30,079 a healthier option. It is full of spinach and kale. Like you if 722 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,000 you don't need your meta musile this day, when you have this dip, 723 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,119 that's gonna be a great Brian Seamen called next year when Kauhi dunk he had 724 00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:46,599 his meta musle this morning. Uh, a little bit lighter on will close 725 00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:50,920 this thing out. We have one horrible dip to bring to your enemy. 726 00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:52,880 We have a great dip that Adam is gonna hopefully bring it the next clips 727 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,239 and dip barbecue. And you have a double dip with a hot chip chip 728 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,760 lay it. Honest? Yeah, where should I start? Well, I'm 729 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,039 gonna start chip because as we discussed earlier, it's sort of the foundation. 730 00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,320 You can't just have dip. Well, I mean some people do spoon. 731 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:15,000 I know, I'm doing the keto thing. So there's not a lot of 732 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:22,440 good chip options out there. But the best substitute that i've leaves. If 733 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,360 you just take some some cabbage leaves, it's got like the right amount of 734 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,079 crunch. You can kind of make it in the same shape. I usually 735 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,519 put my head in my fridge and I'll just randomly tear pieces off and dip 736 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,599 it into some sauce. I've tried other things that's a substitute for chips, 737 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,719 you know, I've tried celery and carrots and stuff. It's just not really 738 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,960 the same. It's just not really cutting the mustard, so to speak. 739 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:51,360 Oh the cheesy bites, Yeah, those are. That's some things for sure. 740 00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:54,880 I like the cabbage thing. That's my hot chip tip. As far 741 00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,079 as dips go, I got a little double for you. One is, 742 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,800 man, should I show this on cam? I don't really know? I 743 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,320 mean, is it showable on cam? Okay, it seems like you like 744 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,840 one more than the other. Well, I just was lower on one than 745 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,559 the other. Got it? So my two favorite dips to pair with this 746 00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:21,920 hot hot chip dip or hot chip tip, Well, actually, I don't 747 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,719 know if it's my two favorite, it's just what I had on hand. 748 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:31,360 I would go sesame oil and salt, classic Korean barbecue side it also just 749 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,800 it makes a phenomenal It makes a phenomenal dip. I'm not gonna lie. 750 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,639 It's so good you're hitting all your bases. And I also got if you 751 00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,719 notice the darker sauce if you're watching this on video, I have the sanj 752 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,719 Seshuan sauce because it has no carbs in it. A lot of those prepackaged 753 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:53,239 sort of like you know, your orange sauce, your Sichuan sauce. A 754 00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,400 lot of them got a lot of sugar, but this one is no far. 755 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,159 So there are two dips and a hot chip tip for it. And 756 00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:05,840 would you bring both of these dips to a barbecue? Oh? I mean 757 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,880 I would. I would legit make a platter of this. I think it's 758 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,400 like that that tasty and like you can, you know, you can eat 759 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,719 a bunch of it, like calorically, it doesn't really matter and it's pretty 760 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:21,719 fun to eat. Hell yeah, well, I think we knocked the chip 761 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,639 dip part out of the park. Is this what everybody wanted? This? 762 00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,639 This is coming every week every week in the off seas, and you people 763 00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:36,079 ask for this two years for us to figure this out. We got there. 764 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:37,920 We got a great system for it. What did you take it to 765 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,840 a barbecue? I think that's a pretty good real world system to apply. 766 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,280 No, we didn't specify that. We just said that barbecue and you had 767 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,440 an extra dip this week and you had a chip tip, So we've set 768 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,599 the bar very high. We're going to be back about wraps things up, 769 00:56:55,639 --> 00:57:00,480 I believe, unless you have anything else we'd like to to speak about involving 770 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,840 the Clippers or the upcoming election. I like the format. I like Chuck 771 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,280 came up with it and with the dip. But we can eat while the 772 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,480 show's going on, as well as we have our mic commuted. So far, 773 00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:15,119 so good. Yes, we're going to be back next week with a 774 00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:20,519 special guest, probably Carl Tart, hopefully maybe Lot Murray could be a good 775 00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:22,840 time. We're going to get it figured out. Rate and reviews really help 776 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:29,519 us. Will. Where can people subscribe or even write their feelings about this 777 00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:34,400 podcast? Should they feel so inclined? Will is enjoying his dips. He's 778 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,920 giving me the one minute hold up for those of you listening and I so 779 00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:42,800 if you want to enjoy this show as much as I enjoyed this did and 780 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,280 Chip, you should subscribe to us over on YouTube that's at Clippers Podcast. 781 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,840 You can also find us on all audio platforms, you know, Stitch, 782 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,719 your Deser, Amazon Music, all the regular spots. But if you happen 783 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,960 to listen over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, if you could leave a little 784 00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,280 rating and review, it would help us out. I think you can even 785 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,480 leave multiple on Spotify, so fact check me on that, you know, 786 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,119 by leaving a couple of reviews. And if you can't do it, I 787 00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,559 guess let us know in a different review on another platform. But anyway you 788 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:15,599 interact with the show, we we really appreciate it. Really off season, 789 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:19,599 it's gonna be a good time. Things get weird on here and it's a 790 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,360 lot of fun. I thrive when the team is kind of in the dumps 791 00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:25,840 vibe wise, So I think everyone's gonna have a really good time this offseason. 792 00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,840 Adam, I know it's the off season. We need one positive thing 793 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:37,400 for these Clippers fans heading into this rest of the week Man. There have 794 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:45,840 been some close nip and tuck, really stressful nail bider like playoff games right 795 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,440 now, and if you're a Clipper fan, you just go in with these. 796 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,480 It isn't hurting you at all. You're not having a heart attack, 797 00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:59,800 you're not pulling your hair out watching some of these games. It's the other 798 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:04,199 is that have to deal with that level of stress, not you suckers if 799 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,400 you're relieve of that. But yeah, I hope we deal with it someone 800 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,519 next year. We are relieved. We hope we deal with it too. 801 00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:14,599 Again, thank you for hanging out. We'll see you next weekend. As 802 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:15,199 always, let's go clips.