What's going on? Blippers fans, Welcome back to Clips and Dip. We
are on the season two, episode seventy four. The Clippers season has been
over for some time now. It's been a difficult, trying time for all
of us here at Clips and Dip. Thank you for sticking around. I
am Chuck Mockler, joined by William Updike and Adam Oslin. We have a
great show today. We opened it up for some Clippers off season questions.
There's a lot of pressing questions surrounding Lawrence Frank and some contract stuff. We
also, for the first time in show history, have dips. We have
dips on the show and some chips. We're gonna be talking about it,
maybe at the end of the episode, maybe throughout, depending on how things
go. We don't know what dip anyone else is eating before we get into
everything, so disclaimer, you might hear some chip noises. We are only
human. Adam, will how have you been kind of decompressing? I'm fully
decompressed, uh for this clip. How's your offseason? Adam? Just fully
depressed? Now, I'm okay. Uh. It's been a little bit rough
watching some of these playoff games. Some of it you watch Minnesota and Denver
and you're almost at ease thinking how the Clippers could beat either of these teams.
But then you see Dallas and Lucas still struggling and not shooting it that
well, and they're what tied up at two to two heading back to Game
five against the OKT Thunder tonight, and the Thunder beatable as well. You
know, so it kind of feels like the path was there for the Clippers,
but they weren't healthy. Once again, it would have been nice,
though, because that's exactly what I was looking at during the season, to
see if Denver would lock up with Minnesota in the second round, because I
thought that would go six or seven, and it is. So it's a
little little bit, you know, it's a doubter its stakes. The Clippers
are out, and it's been weird without them for some time. But I
guess there's plenty off season stuff to discuss. Anyways, here, Yes,
there's Will. How's your off season? It's going pretty good, man.
I haven't I traveled last weekend, so you know, I haven't had a
whole lot of time to uh sit in the loss. But you know,
life, life goes on, dude, Life goes on the Ultimate and if
you're the Clippers, apparently it's just wash and repeat. It's like every season
is the same, every day is the same. I'm just so I'm just
living man, smooth brain, full heart, can't lose the Uh yeah,
oh we're gonna be getting too some full dip. Yeah the Ultimate. My
team just lost in the playoffs. Vibe is Hey, it's you know,
it's it's just basketball. You know, we're all doing good. You know,
that's that's when those vibes come out, and it's fair will indulging in
some chips and dip. If if you're watching us, you can see us
eat some of these chips. If you're just listening to us, thank you
for listening, Thanks for hanging out. Let's get into some of these questions.
If anyone has thoughts on their dip that they just can't hold back until
the second segment, feel free to let it go. It's so flavorful,
guys, I don't know you can't hold back. We don't know what you
have. I will say, we're only like three minutes in, but I
love what the dip is doing to the dynamic of this show. It can
also be the first to forget some ne of their mic and just be chewing.
You get putting time out if it happens if you're getting called out.
Also, dip for future reference, could mean chewing tobacco, could mean something
you put on a chip. It's it's all fluid here at clips. Fun
dip yeah, hey, could be fun dip. Okay, So we got
some Clippers questions, we got some roster stuff. David Hellman wants to know
over under on how many seasons Lawrence Frank has left with this organizedation. I
think this might be his toughest offseason yet, considering what we're dealing with with
Paul George's contract and the roster itself and the second apron will what would we
put the line at two and a half? Yeah, I would probably.
I would probably put the line at two. I would. I would be
a little bit surprised. I think the thing that it really comes down to
is like, what's the understanding from ownership about the dynamic between the front office,
the coaching staff, and the players. It's been pretty clear now for
a while that those entities are not on the same page. And while I
think that it's fair to criticize Lawrence some of Lawrence Frank's moves or some of
the lack of moves at times. I mean, they weren't very aggressive in
like the buyout market or anything this season. What does he do if his
two star players say, you got to go out and get this guy,
you know, like I know, I mean, I guess that's you know,
what you would want from your GM. But the other issue was,
even when we were trying to build this team around what we thought the strengths
of it were, that wasn't necessarily lining up with what the coaching staff or
just specifically Tylu thought the rotation should be. So we had guys sitting on
the bench. Uh, And you know, so it's it's difficult to say,
And I mean it's certainly a situation where you know, if you're doing
your exit interviews or your performance reviews, everybody could point the finger at one
other person and at the end of the day, like you as the ownership
group just have to choose, like what guy you're gonna what guy you're gonna
stick with. That's a fair call, Adam. You think it's like three
more seasons that is a long tenure also as a GM for one team from
what he's been to three more seasons. That's like a fair tenure. You
know, It's not for lack of trying. I'd prefer not playing the over
under on so much's job. But that's just me question. Yeah, it's
not a great one. He could have said it and then said which side
are we going off of? But I like Lawrence Frank I do. I
think overall he's done a good job. Something Will has brought up is this
disconnect going on at times between the front office and the coaching staff. It
has felt like over the past couple of seasons where oh, in twenty twenty
one, we got to the Western Conference Finals, and we did so by
using wingstoff, by using a bunch of wings against the Dallas Mavericks against the
Utah Jazz, and so they loaded up in that area. But then coach
lou seemed to have a preference for guards. He said, straight up,
he has an affinity for guards. He was one. So it just is
strange that they aren't quite on the same page at times. You know,
Isaiah Hartenstein, we got to watch him get double digit offensive rebounds last night
for the New York Knicks. He'll be an unrestricted free agent he'll get paid
a ton of money this offseason. But that was someone who don't know if
he was as valued by the coaching staff or by the front office or neither.
I don't believe, because I don't believe in the front office. Like
if it was, I like, I don't think that Larry walked in the
room and said we gotta dump this hard guy for Josh Wall. Yeah,
it seems like the Stars and coach lou were still looking for that point guard
to make things easier on two one three. They got it this season with
James Harden, but John Wall obviously wasn't the answer at that point of his
career, and they missed out on Isaiah Hartenstein because of that, which at
the time he got more money going to New York. But did come out
later on a podcast and say he would have taken less to stay with the
Clippers, So which sometimes if something was lost there in communication, you know
what I mean, Like, sometimes I'm like, would you really have taken
less? Did you tell him that? I feel like if they's easy to
say after the fact, I think I think it makes more sense if you've
already signed the deal, Like if you're still in free agency, and trying
to get the best offer. It makes sense to put out there like hey,
I'll take a lower offer to go to a contender, and then you
know, you drive up your market price if you've already if the ink is
already dry on the dotted line, I mean, like then I guess I
have a little bit more of a tendency to believe it. I just think
the one failure with the front office and coaching staff is not working together in
unison, at least appearance wise, with some of the moves that have been
made, and whether or not coach lou has even used these guys when they
brought back Roco. He has that great twenty game stretch when he came over
from the Portland Trail Blazers. We're shooting seventy percent on corner threes and then
it's completely out of the rotation the next year. Also, he'll be a
free agent with Nicholas Batoum this upcoming off season. By roundhog Day, like
Will said, let's run it all. I just would love to see I
don't know a little bit more normany or just somewhat more of a connection between
the front office and the coaching staff. And look I don't have intel or
insight on this. I'm just going off of guys they have brought in that
either haven't been used or guys that they have let go. I'm just reading
Tea leaves on how this has gone over the past couple of seasons. But
I think overall, Lawrence Frank has done a really good job. Obviously,
he was Executive of the Year in twenty twenty after making the move to bring
in two Pine three. Every GM in the history of basketball would have made
that trade. Every GM in the history of basketball would have made that move
the exact same one that the Clippers did. So you can look back on
it now, and obviously it's sour because SGA's in the second round and thriving
and pulling them through in that Game four victory the other night, and the
Clippers are out and they may lose Paul George and obviously Kawhi Leonard hasn't been
able to stay healthy at the most important time of the season. But again,
it was a no at the time, and I don't think I honestly
believe every GM in the history of basketball was done the exact same thing SGA
and his ceiling. Then we thought maybe he's a fringe All Star type player.
Nobody saw this coming where he finished runner up in MVP by the time
he's twenty six years of age. And I go back and I look at
some of the other gms around the league, Like Bob Myers has been the
hot name out there because obviously he's a broadcaster now and did so much work
with the Golden State Warriors in that dynasty, and it'd be great if he
joined the front office. I'm not saying I wouldn't like that, but if
you go through with a fine tooth comb everybody else's decision in the draft and
some of their free agency decisions, it's typically not pretty. They're hitting about
thirty percent of the time, they're hitting three hundred, which is great.
That's like a hitter at the plate. You hit three hundred for ten years,
you're likely going to be a Hall of Famer in Major League Baseball.
That's how difficult it is to find guys to find the right If you go
Bob Myer's and find Steph Curry, he did bring in Draymond and Klay Thompson,
but it's been very spotty. Obviously, the James Wiseman and that move
didn't work out. So I just think there's a lot of blame that has
gone on Lawrence Frank and some of it A lot of it is unnecessary or
at least overblown in my mind, and he's I think it's also like the
ownership. Obviously, when you bring in guys like Kawhi and PG, they're
given certain protections in terms of media things and stuff like that. So I
think a lot of that falls on Lawrence Frank too. It's not like you
can look at our stars and well all of our main star and like critique
how they're acting. Like Lawrence Frank has to answer a lot of that directly
for how those stars perform, which I think makes him kind of a higher
profile GM if that makes sense. Well, and the biggest reason for the
Clippers' failures has simply been Kawhi Leonard's right knee not being able to hold up
something nobody could have addicted. So you know, it starts there. That
is the number one reason they haven't been successful. It's not so much moves
on the margins and all these different things. It's just Kawhi cannot be healthy
for a playoff run. We have Anthony Louti wants to know if they intend
on running it back. Why are the Clippers seemingly waiting on PG before seeking
to finalize Harden. Why not the other way around. PG is going to
test the market anyways, and Harden says he wants to be here, albeit
with a nice back. There are some caveats here. Hardiness said he's wanted
to retire at like every last team he's played for, So I do take
that with kind of a grain of salt. But why is this a functionality
thing? Can they not do Harden before they do PG? I genuinely do
not know if it's more advantageous to lock the guy up who you can overpay.
I don't think free agency starts untill June thirtieth, right, they could
sign him to a new deal right now. It's right after the draft,
right, yes, when our season, Our new season starts right after the
draft. So yeah, it just seems like a simple They just legally can't,
yeah, functionally cannot do that. It's not that they're holding back or
waiting to sign one guy to make something work within the cap and finagle things
the right way. It's just it's not the off season yet. We're not
there yet. Yeah, Carrie Tomato wants to know. Is adding a true
power forward to the two win three hard and core the only option to make
this group work. Play with size instead of small ball and shift man back
to the bench with Norm Bones, Kobe whoever else makes the rotation, or
is this team just cooked right before launching a new arena? Will your thoughts?
I'm leaning towards the ladder. Oh no, I mean, there's just
still still too many things up in the air with where the Clippers are going
to be at cap wise, there's not a lot that you can do that's
going to be like a huge upgrade from Terrence. Man, it could be
size wise or something, but I don't think you're getting like that much of
a that much of an improvement. And I'm not saying that Terrence is an
all star or anything like that, but like, you look at the assets
that we have to spend, what we can possibly trade if we're over the
apron, like it just there's not really a lot out there. And then
you know, so if you assume that not all of the Big three come
back, then maybe you can make some moves to get an upgrade somewhere on
the roster. Or if you can get a sign in trade. I think
that that's your best path in terms of being able to do something different while
still having a high level of talent. I don't know that you're still getting
a player of Paul George's caliber. You might get somebody with lower ceiling,
better floor. So I yeah, I don't know. I'd like I don't
think that there's the map no basically long answer short, no, there is
not the power forward out there that's going to magically fix the Clippers. And
I you know, I like the idea I guess of moving Kawhi out of
the four, I don't. I don't know. Threes are more mobile,
so should he be running around? I have no idea. Why not just
parking out the four? Uh? Depending on the matchup, I don't know.
Why is the only guy that we're keeping. So fix the team will
fix the team with what I just I can't do it with with a power
forward. And also, like the other thing to factor in two is like
Terrence is available and young, So what like what power forward are you getting
that hits all of those criteria? Uh? What what are you realistically giving
up? You have to push man to the bench. That would be a
lot. I just don't understand the premise of the question to make this group
work. It's like, well, the group doesn't work because they can't stay
healthy. It's not there's some bad construction there. Maybe they can power forward
and Kawhi Leonard. Yeah, they need to get younger, they need to
get more athletic. I understand that, but it's still the reason they have
failed is because Kawhi can't stay healthy. In the playoffs, We've never even
got to see this group fully healthy. And this is year five of two
to one three. Outside the bubble, at least with coach lou we haven't
been able to see it. I fully believe they need to get younger,
they need to get more athletic. They need to insulate two one three and
James Harden if everybody's coming back with younger players around them now, Zoo and
Terrence Man fit that criteria. They're guys just entering the start of their prime
and they're on really cheap deals right now where you're not going to be able
to, to Will's point, get the same value in return if you do
trade them, if you do move them. And Terrence Man, to me
was a top three player for the Clippers in that first round series against the
Dallas Mavericks. I think he was that good. I think it was him.
James Harden and Visa Zubas Whate are the three best players, and Terrence
really showed he has another level he can get to. We always talk about
guys raising their level of play in the playoffs. Terrence Man played much better
defense in that first round series than we had seen all year long. He
absolutely flipped an individual switch and maybe it was the further he got away from
that ankle injury that plagued him early on in the season, just the better
he got. Obviously shot well over forty percent and twenty twenty four in the
new year once the calendar turned over. That's just not the guy. I
mean, it always depends on what you're getting back, but I don't see
that as an advantageous move for the Clippers to lose Terrence Man, who's twenty
seven and entering his prime while making I think just ten million dollars this season
to bring in what exactly, it would seem like a lateral move at best,
and even that feels like a long shot to improve your roster while losing
ten It's man, I don't know. I would love to see him bring
back in. I know he's older, but he's still he's still good.
Buttoom if they could bring back in, but Toom on a contract minimum.
I think the four on the bench is kind of more interesting than than the
starting lineup needed to shut you round. Like I think, I do think
some more wing depth is needed. I just don't think that it's where we
don't have the assets or cap space to get somebody that's like true contender,
starting level power forward. So I think it's it's it's on the second unit.
The only reason I would say maybe someone like Batoomb could still start.
Obviously he might only play twenty minutes per night, but he could still start
is because Kawhi did make that comment during the season, like I'll do it
till we get a real one. I'll play for until we get a real
one. So I think that is on their checklist this offseason to try to
find a starting Ali forward, whether or not that means he's one of their
five best players or just works in the starting five, because he pushes Kawhi
back to playing the three and Paul George back to playing the two, and
then as James Hard at the one. I don't know how they view it,
but there aren't a ton of options. They just aren't right now,
especially even if they had the CAF space. There aren't a ton of options,
right, Yeah, that it feels kind of stuck like that. Someone
asked if they think it's possible the Clippers would try and bring more pieces and
draft picks by moving off Man in Zoo. You're not getting pieces because no
one making six to ten million dollars is as good as these guys. And
you're not getting draft picks. And if we did get draft picks, that
would make us so bad and we wouldn't even have double the draft picks to
beginning, right, we can't bottom out, So it's it's a rock and
a hard place. Those are valued assets internally. The Clippers being a to
get a Viasa Zubas being able to get Terrence Man that late in the draft,
that's a huge windfall for this organization. Those are the guys you want
to hold on to exactly and keep his culture and DNA with this team.
And yeah, they're good players on cheap deals right now, by the way,
and if you do resign them, they're obviously going to have their bird
rights, so you could go over the CAF to keep those guys, which
they'll have to. No one has more leverage and contract talks right now than
Zoo and Terrence Man, two guys who are young in play and know the
system because they were grown into the system. Basically, yeah, and why
would you want to let go of Terrence Man right after he becomes a starter,
right after having his best playoff series, He finally has gotten rewarded for
all his time of the odd job type of player. He has been filling
in the cracks and crevices here and there wherever the Clippers need him to play,
whoever they need him to guard. I just I don't see them being
able to bring in a guy as that good. I think Clipper Nation.
I know there's obviously a contingent of fans that does not like that, don't
like a beata zoobos er, don't value him very much, which is absurd
to me, But Terrence Man is pretty beloved. I would think universally everyone
will want to keep him and hold on to him. I understand the logic
of well, these are guys who have value in our assets, so these
are the ones that other teams might want so if you need to make a
move or upgrade a different position, those are the guys who are tradeable.
But the problem is unless you're getting back other guys of equal value that are
also on that are also on smaller deals like they are, which is pretty
rare. I don't think it's it's an improvement for the Clippers. Yeah,
you're looking at best lateral move at the best Yeah, with an aged Kawai
who now somehow has to do more because we have new guys who are getting
used to the system. Clippers Australia, we got this kind of question a
lot. Basically, I'm gonna combine to here. Would you prefer to watch
this team flame out in the first round with another Kawhi knee injury, very
blunt from Clippers Australia. Not that, not that, or a team of
young players, you know, maybe getting more minutes with the main focus being
bones Kai and Kobe Brown, but provide an exciting glimpse into the future while
not making the playoffs again picks. Yeah, I mean, like I just
want to be healthy. I do understand. I can understand some of this
thinking. There was a lot of this right after Kawhi went down. Here
we go again. Let's just blow it up, blow it up Dike,
what's called all time? Blow it up Dike and he sucks stardom two of
our finest pieces at work. That was a prevailing of you coming into this
season that the Clippers should already start over so for things to happen and transpire
the way they did where they ended up in the exact same spot as last
year, losing the first round while losing Kawhi Leonard. I'm not gonna say
that, you know, it doesn't resonate or just the idea of having a
bunch of young guys and you know, hope spring's eternal and that twenty nineteen
type of feel again with the Clippers would be nice. But I think it's
a little bit presumptuous that any of those guys pan out, Like just just
because you play young guys doesn't mean they continue to develop, they continue to
progress, and you go along this journey with them to where they're eventually a
playoff team again and they're contending for a title. That's just not how it
works. I think they need to see, and we've talked about this recently.
They need to see what some of these young guys have. They need
to play more minutes than we've seen over the past five years, just because
there's untapped potential. I do think there is some of that there, but
it's not a guarantee either way. It's not a guarantee for sure that Kawhi
Leonard is going to be hurt next year in the first round, as Laurence
Frank talked about that press conference, And it's not a guarantee if you start
over that you're not just spinning your wheels with guys that are never going to
be that great. Like, you don't want to be stuck in that position
either. Yeah, I think people are underestimating how long it takes to like
without draft picks. Without draft picks is the other such a big part of
the other side of this coin of like we're bottoming out and being bad,
but there is no reward. There is no reward in the draft coming for
like we don't even get the process. We would get the only bad parts
of the process, which is looking like shit. Well, yeah, I
mean you could give some of these guys all the playing time in the world,
and you know that doesn't mean that they're going to be like franchise guys.
Yeah, it doesn't necessarily even mean that they'll be quite like you know,
I'm not even talking an All Star, but like a decent rotation guy
like it. Just if it were that easy, let me tell you,
man, people would bench those big contract guys for longer swaths of the season
if it were possible. For example, I believe the Lakers before Lebron came
had seven straight seasons or something like that of not making the playoffs, at
least five straight where they were playing young guys and some of them turned out
to be okay. I mean, you had Jordan Clarkson in there, you
had Julius Randall, Josh Hart's doing big work right now for the Knicks.
Brandon Ingram, who I think could be an interesting name out there. I
don't know if we'll get to that in this podcast, but he's somebody I
really like a lot, and apparently the Apelicans would have moved on from him.
But like, there's not one SGA there, there's not one superstar MVP
caliber player there. And they got a ton of time to develop, they
got a ton of on court minutes. They eventually went to other teams.
Their contributors, but you still have to have a hammer. You have to
have a superstar to build around. So I just when it comes to these
two decisions. We talked about this recently, Chuck on here, of your
options are run it back with everybody and just hope for better health, versus
be bad with young guys while still not getting draft picks. To me,
I'm easily choosing to run it back with guys right now and just hope for
better luck and fortune. Yeah, because it's not I mean, it's still
you know, it's still an uphill battle even if healthy with the stars being
the age that they are. But like you look at the alternative and it's
like, man, I guess I'd rather I don't know, I guess I'd
rather lose my shirt, like betting betting on like the favorite than like the
huge the huge windfall. Yeah, it would be. It would be a
real decision if you actually were going to receive those draft picks every year after
being bad with they don't have that luxury. Yeah, if they were on
the table, I'd be like, sure, I don't screw it. The
next first round pick they have is twenty thirty guys, so they're thinking of
As much as you may not like the idea of running it back, the
alternative is a pretty bleak outcome of just young guys winning thirty games maybe per
season, and then the Cavalry never arrives with a first round pick to speak
of. Because of that, we got those high seconds, though that thirty
first pick is basically a first round pick, actually might not even have those
now that I think about it, We had a what do you think I
I that question talking about The more we talk about it, the more I
think about having to watch a team. Yes, the Clippers have been incredibly
frustrating and may have broken my brain this season in terms of how I view
this team's outlook. That being said, I would rather watch that than a
team of guys with a coach who, in tylu I don't think has any
interest in what the Clippers would be doing, which is A he has no
notice in botoming out That's why I got fired from Cleveland, and B we're
botting it out for nothing. The more we think about it, it's like,
it's just it feels insane to want to just suck ass with no uh,
with not And I know the draft is a gable, but without even
a modicum chance at getting a franchise. You were just like sucking. I
mean, like one of the young guys already on the roster would have to
turn out to be really, really really good. Like that's truly the only
way this sit. We don't know, we don't even have the picks,
so like we have to we would have to hope that one of these guys
that gets extended minutes is somehow really really good. In every All star in
the league somehow missed out on it and we caught it. Have you heard
of Kai Jones? I'm interested in Kay Jones? I am too, but
I don't I'm not interested to the point where I say we should bought the
season and give him thirty five minutes a game. That it sounds like an
option of basically having the dip but no chips, wow, chips in it.
That's what it sounds like, not getting a draft picks while going with
the youth movement, where by the way, in the West, you might
win twenty games if you really try to hit a hard reset and see what
you got with young guys in the Western Conference with the way it is right
now, and we'd be getting a new coach, because Tyler would quit.
Tyler would be like, I'm not doing this. This is not what I
want to be doing, right. I think Tyler would quit if they blew
it up. Yeah, he's rightfully, it's not a rebuilding coach. I
don't know, he's a young player development coach, although you know tbb uh
who you know who knows what he's like with, you know, the developing
some of the younger talent. But yeah, I think Tyler is walking out
the door in that scenario. Right for youself. We can't really stress this
point enough, guys. Well, neither option is the greatest thing in the
world. The difference between playing a bunch of young guys for draft picks that
aren't coming, versus having Kawhi, Paul George, and James Harden granted aging
stars, sure, and somewhat of a chance. To me, that's really
not much of a question. I'm gonna go with running it back. We're
going with running it back. We're gonna take a quick audio break. For
those of you listening. For those of you watching, you can watch Adam
put some dip on his chip. Will is covering his camera, but I
believe he's eating. We're gonna talk about dips in the next segment. We
got a couple more questions and then we're gonna get to that very important diptalk.
We got audio break coming up in three two one. What's going on?
I just finished a delicious chip with some dip. We talked about the
Clipper season outlook. We got a couple more male questions, but then you
know, you know what you're here for. We're here, you're here the
different view. But let's let's let's let's jump back into some of these questions.
A lot of people are on the move. Norm train Gabe Moreau wants
to know thoughts on John Collins for Norm PJ PJ plus pick for Grant Williams,
Charles, were you honest? I don't want Grant Williams on this team.
He's been a guy who he was tweeted at us a couple of times,
and he doesn't seem like a good locker room dude and his I didn't
watch a lot of the Hornets Granted, but it doesn't exactly pop out to
me that he would be a huge improvement for our bench or something like.
I don't know about the Grant Williams. I don't it's Norman PJ is not
getting it done for John Collins. We're having to put a pick to that,
right, Like, that would be kind of a crazy No, that's
an insane ask for John. I agree, but we only have one pick
to put on it, which is a twenty thirty first which they're not trading.
Yeah, there's no insensive for Utah to do that without a pick because
norm actually is under contract for two more years, where after this season,
John Collins is a player option which he will take to get out and get
a bigger deal. Right. Yeah, I like I like John Collins a
lot. If there's a way to get it done, like you said,
Chuck, with a draft pick in there that isn't the twenty thirty first round
pick? Is that four? Is that the four that magically fixes the Clippers?
He's been talked about for a while years At this point, dude,
it's crazy. Yeah, I don't. Hey, you've athleticism. I like
John Collins. I do think it would be a good fit, but I
don't think Utah's doing that. I don't think Danny Ainge, who's one of
the shrewdest front office men and got everything he wanted out of Gobert and Donovan
Mitchell trading their two stars. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be that
easy. You. Also, I like John Collins a lot, like the
idea of the fit, I don't think he's high enough value to attach the
twenty thirty pick, and I may be overvalua on that, but like,
good lord, where is this team going to be in twenty thirty? Like
that has to be I mean, I would put that at a very high
value pick. And I don't think that Norm plus any combination of salary filler
plus the twenty thirty to me, John Collins is not that caliber player.
Sorry. That twenty thirty is crazy valuable if you if you look at the
Clippers right now, if you're another team, it's like, that's a pretty
valuable pick unless they just keep kicking the can down the road and just keep
re upping with guys and bringing in veterans and they never drafted from the first
round again. Oh god, it feels like a real possibility. We got
another Norm one who says Andyyune asks, who says, no, Norm Powell
to Orlando for Jonathan Isaac. I've been obsessing with this guy's defensive difts Orlando.
Orlando Orlando says no, immediately, what are you talking about? Come
on next, Jonathan Isaac's very good, he was able to lose. But
oh yeah, but Jonathan Isaac way younger. Yeah, I'm trying to see
what Jonathan Isaac's contract situation is because I don't think he's making close to what
Norman Powell is. So okay, and you know what, I take that
back. No, he's at seventeen million, so he's close. Norm's making
a little bit more, a couple more million than him, but they're both
or excuse me. Jonathan Isaac's contract is up after this next season, so
he'll be in an intricting free agent in twenty twenty five, while Norman Powell
is still under contract for one more year. I don't know. Norman Powell
does have value. That is somebody that you can talk about when it comes
to trades involving the Clippers and actually getting something solid back for He easily should
have finished to me top three and six man the year voting. Come on
and Jonathan Isaac, Yeah, I like him. I think that'd be great
to have him at the four, but I don't know what it would take.
I think it would take more than Norman Powell would for Jonathan Isaac.
No, because he's so injury prone. That's that's the chance you have getting
him is just because of his injury history. And maybe Orlando wants to move
on because of that reason. But this way, a couple of ducks in
like the short term, Yeah, or feel like they need to make more
of a push because they lost in the first round. They need more scoring
out there and that kind of was their issue in that series. Maybe it's
not that crazy that that Orlando wouldn't at least think about it or pick up
the phone throwing a couple of seconds tossing four second round picks. Yeah,
why not? Tucker, Yes, skip trade PJ for anything. PJ in
the first is something People asked us about what we could get for that,
and it was like nothing. He makes eleven million dollars a year. I
don't know. We got asked what favorite free agents we have for the minimum
contract. Guys. I looked at the list Bizmack Bimbo, like that's all
I got for the minimum Okay, okay, okay, okay. I think
Nicholas Patoom could be on that list. I think him or Roco could be
there. I No, I think they could. They could be Yeah,
minimum contract guys, I maybe maybe even older next year. Sure, I
don't you don't have a lot of options if you got Sean and Isaac.
What about what about he might make too much but he might not Patrick Beverly
on the minimum? I dude, I don't want on this team again.
Yeah, the recent stuff going on with him is tough. It seems like
he's really leaned into the barstool thing. And before that I would have been
all about it because he's my all time one of my all time favorite slippers.
But I just think, I mean, like, I don't think it's
a secret, like Paul George and Kahi are not eager to work with him
again, and like aside the Chris Paul incident aside, Like I think that
I think that there was some vocal dislike of Patrick Beverley in that locker room.
But we don't need any more broadcast hosts. We don't need any more
podcast hosts in the locker room. Yeah, let's get active players with a
podcast down to none. That'd be sick. Is there a roster in the
NBA that has that going on? Oh? That might jazz? They don't
have any podcast hosts, right Kings. I I don't know. There could
be some obscure like calling sexon. Might have a podcast that's a podcast on
like like magic, the Gathering Cards or something that would be sick. Actually,
again, I've said it before, if Paul George just did a podcast
about fishing, that would be great. He loves fishing, just talk about
fishing. We didn't get any questions about Paul George's contract, which I was
a little surprised by, but we have to assume that it's I don't know.
It just feels like he wants a max and they're like, what about
less than a max? And he's like, we'll get back to you.
That's what everything's speaking of, reading the tea leaves. That's what it feels
like is happening right now. It looks like he's going to use the market
for leverage to see, Hey, Philadelphia is offering me this, what will
you guys give me. I do think there's a part of him that would
like to stay a Clipper and love to stay in southern California. I'll just
stay in Los Angeles, And that's the leverage side from the front office,
Like you don't have to move, you can stay here. That's their angle.
I'm guessing to get him to take us to just be ada. George
Man, it's gonna be What did you guys make of his last podcast talking
about their exit And I felt like I didn't listen to I didn't listen to
it. Give me the play on your phone fast, No, just give
me the give me then they should have played more aggressive. They were playing
too much hero ball. I felt like I had a big gash in my
arm. And at what point was he playing hero ball? I felt like
I had a big gash in my arm and someone part a bunch of salt
in it. Is how I felt hearing him talk about it. He ended
up attempting fifteen shots per game in that series, right, That's where it
ended up, like four in the second half of Game six, after he
had fourteen points in the first half. PJ Tucker outscored him in that half.
The thing that I kept thinking about when listening to the talk of whether
or not you should be more aggressive, or whether or not you should get
your teammates involved in striking that balance is and him saying specifically they're playing too
much iso ball and a lot of people said, oh yeah, why are
you guys always doing that? I would push back on everyone thinking that it's
so much of a plan to play iso ball, as opposed to they have
older guys that aren't beating people off the dribble, so it ends up being
iso ball out of necessity. I don't think it's so much of a strategy.
I think the isolation is because they're not getting too fat in the paint,
they're not beating their man off the dribble, They're not creating enough mismatches
and enough of teams getting in rotation. That's what I think the issue is.
I never hear I don't really hear Tyleru on the sidelinine off and you
know, and run the Iso ball. I like him not being able to
get past Derek Jones Junior enough and getting clamped by him throughout some of the
series. That was the issue. It wasn't an x's and O's thing.
Like a hero there the contract. If they signed to a max contract,
that is going to be a very fun live stream. All right, we're
in the more fun questions and then we're getting to those dips. I know
we've been wanting to review them. I've been trying to grin and bear through
the horrible option I made through this whole episode. TD bassar Ass. Just
wondering if y'all will be open to sharing what you do outside of the podcast
for work and some background on how y'all started the pod. Adam, where
exactly do you work? Give us the latitude longitude? I mean it's two
miles down the street here in Burbany, thirty four hundred west, all of
the Pinnacle building, across from the old NBC building. That's where five seventy
ELA Sports is. That's where I've been working since two thousand and nine,
and that's how I mob with the clippers. So that's awesome. Yeah.
I work for the Natural History Museums of Los Angeles County. I work in
the marketing department. I don't know very many facts about animals, but if
you're at the museum one day and you see me, I'm probably very busy
and I can't talk or say go clips will Where where exactly do you work?
And what hours and what route do you take to commute there? I
work at the Jiffy Loop by Sunset Junction, and I'm very quick at changing
well, very good cars, as you might imagine. Thanks for that air
filter upra. Yeah, and then we started the pod because Will and I
left Locked on Clippers because it was too much work and we wanted to have
more fun, and I almost took over afterwards. Luckily that didn't happen because
yeah, one guy doing that five days a week, that looks like a
very much of a grind and Don Droppers doing a hell of a job.
Anyways, who needs me shout out dime. So that's how we started the
pod. Will do you have any other insight on how we started this pod?
Didn't it come to you in a dream or something? No, I
mean, like we, I mean, the genesis of this pod, even
including I think a pun in the name was we had a podcast called Shavings
a long long time ago when there were no podcasts about the Clippers, and
we were like, man, it'd be fun. It'd be fun to just
have a podcast about the Clippers because nobody there there clips clips cast was there,
but that was really about that was really about it. Well, I'll
let you know. That's the longest running Clippers podcast. It is. Yeah,
yeah, I got that going for him. Not the most regular,
but it is the longest running UH Clipper Nick with maybe the most important question
of the day, given the officiating disparity of the MAVs series, is next
season, finally, the year that it beats the zoo box gross his hair
out to try and draw more fouls? God, I hope. So he's
getting a extra ten million year if he gets a couple more free throw attempts
and that comes from the long hair. I don't know. There's just not
enough time, man, He's he's already too late. He needed to months
ago. So you're saying I'm good, Yeah, I'm good with Lee.
There's no rules against that, are they? I don't think so, Adam,
were you at Zoos? Should have long hair? Haggle? No haggle.
I like the buzz cut, keep it clean. I don't think they
got screwed in that series for the most part because of fouls. About would
it make him more recognizable to his teammates? I don't want him to be
more hidden out there on the court, like, who is this new guy
with long hair? We can't play in the basketball? I want. Yeah,
it's a flow. It's like like Eric Lindross or something like that,
like an eighties thick hockey mullet, little Ferrell thing, Yeah, anything anything.
So when his head snaps back from getting hit in the forehead by three
Thunder players, the ref gives him the call. He does have the longest
hair is Jimmy Butler is uh it is preseason media introduction. Jeremy Wing got
those extensions like crazy readlocks. Yeah, well, I hope he doesn't get
dreadlocks. That wouldn't be a good That's that are problem with Clippers. Don't
need next year? He does need fake hair like the lead stinger accounting crows.
Uh, Chenny John, and then we're gonna get we got some very
important stuff. Chenny John asks what possible features slash in game events at the
into it Nome? Do you guys want to see VR hot Dog cannon headset,
play exhibits of ripped ballber shirts, chuck the condors, churro quarter pounder,
muscle up, bicep curls, verse follow Adam a will, Where are
you going with any of these or any new ones you can make me think
of? Sorry, I'm just relooking over I'm just relooking over the list.
I guess I like VR hot Dog cannon headset. Great question by the way
change on. These are all great options. I like the VR hot dog
headset. The other one I was throwing around the other day was check the
condoor getting launched out of a cannon into a washing machine and then a bunch
of confetti shooting out and just saying we're washed. Pretty fun. That's a
great bit. Adam, would you be willing to do the bicep challenge halftime
with into it if it's necessary. I feel like that'd be a pretty weak
halftime show. I'd rather have the guy out there with the ladders or the
dog or sure. Yeah, okay, well what about it, I'm not
worthy? What about timeouts? Well you're worthy of that. Yeah. It's
also a vanity exercise, you know. That's not really Adam's approach. No,
it's not like I'm wearing a tank top right now or underneath this.
Uh. I like the idea of more extravagant food. He's talking about the
five pounds chorro wherever, whatever it is. Yeah, I'm sure Charles Barkley
would have someone to say about that. With the Women of San Antonio or
whatever. If there was a big old churro, has anyone done like a
churro dog like sort of a churro around a hot dog, so similar to
a hot dog on a stick, but with the My guess is, yeah,
probably they've had it at Crypto. Where were you? Yeah, I
went about a hot dog inside? What about a hot dog but it shaped
like a hamburger? Dude? What about in the inside of the hot dog
is filled with cheese? A huge giant that of a dip weekly that we
pick that they then use it into it dome like podcast, like the block
of cheese it used to be in the White House that people could come take
pieces off of. It's just a big thing of dip. People can Everyone
gets sick and there's like, yeah, a security guy there watching making sure
there's no double dippers, like that would be. You get one dip.
It's like communion. You get one cracker, like they should market it like
that. It's like communion. All right. I saw on Twitter that DJ
Dentz has a home phone. He tweeted out that he still has a home
phone. Really quick, will what other clipper do you think still has a
home phone? I mean the easy answer is quiet. I feel like,
right, yeah, but also PJ. Tucker because he's old. I feel
like he feels like you have to. You can't live in a house without
it, without a home phone. Yeah, he's got this one. He's
got the whole phone where you have the you're speaking into the wall and you
have the the aar piece. Adam. Still he still asks, he still
calls and asks someone to connect him to the other phone number. Yeah.
Yeah, instead of instead of just dialing the phone number, can you connect
me to the Malibu News sports reporter please? I have some very exciting information.
Uh, Adam, who's your pick for clipper with a home phone?
Uh? I'll go on the other end. Maybe one of the young guys
is kind of a hipster. They want some retro at their place, maybe
Busy Bone, maybe Brandon Boston, maybe Kobe Brown or Musa. They have
a they have an old landline there just to experience something that they never had
as a child. That's a really good pick. I think. I mean,
people are putting albums on cassette tapes now, and it's like, what
is the advantage, guys, There's absolutely none. A record makes sense.
This doesn't. I was gonna I'm going Zoo. I think Zoo might have
some old tendencies as someone who's I want a picture of beatsa zoobots making a
call on a Hamburger phone. So that Hamburger from the Juno Hamburger phone.
Eric, if you're listening, if that can be any kind of joke Zoo
talking on a Hamburger phone. Okay, the moment we've we have been waiting
for, and I think most of our new listeners who are certainly tuning in
for the dip talk, Welcome to the Dip, the first ever dip review
segment. We're tired of everyone saying, so, do you guys try out
dips on the show? No, we don't. We've been beaten into submission
by the masses who would like to go first. Who feels their dip is
the best. I feel that mine is firmly the worst. I will gladly
go last. Let's go worse first. Great this dip, I just to
set the mood. I tried the dip with a salt and pepper kettle chip
is what I did for my chip. I don't anything too crazy, but
I don't think too plain. It's usually what I eat uh dip with chip.
Wise, it's a good chip, very good chip. I went out
of my comfort zone on this one. I enjoy trashy foods, but not
like this. I went with the Doritos Cool Ranch Hollapano flavored dip. I
would have thought you would have love this. It's so bad. It's very
Oh I bought the top. Yeah, I want to see it. I
think it's pretty obvious with the dip. Are you supposed to use the cool
rand Dorito's chips specifically for this dip? Does it go well or is it
clash like that would actually be a knock on the dip in my You shouldn't
need a special chip for the dip would be my knock on that. But
this is very bad. It's kind of Should we just do one to ten,
one to five? Okay? Yeah, we don't want to make it
for me? What is it a star? Or is it with Let's do
buy again, Let's do buy again? Yes or no? Would you buy
this for a barbecue? I would not buy this for a barbecue for someone
who I liked? Would be how I would describe this. If you're my
enemy and you go to barbecue people you hate, sometimes you like that.
I went to this guy's funeral just to make sure he's dead. I'm giving
them this horrible dip on the picnic table and then I'm irish goodbye. All
right, So who's well among you two? Who's enjoying their dip more?
I mean, I mean, well, I got a double I got a
double dip. Actually for you? WHOA, what's a hot chip tip?
All right, well let's do adam and then we'll do the double dip and
hot chip tip to close. Yeah, this guy's got some layered dip,
you could say, with the explanation coming. I have the Trader Joe's spinach
and kale Greek yogurt dip, which I have tried before. It's classic.
It is a hot item at Trader Joe's. The only problem with this dip
is having a parker to Trader Joe's. There's never been a Trader Joe's with
a decent parking lot in existence, at least from what I've seen, and
I've never left California. I also had something I went with oven baked cheese
bites because it's low carb. It's just cheese that's you know, baked,
and you could eat that by itself. You don't even you don't even need
dip with that. The dip is very good, but then also some seaweed
paper here if I want to go really healthy. But the dip is thick,
man like, it is thicker than a bullet oatmeal. I could almost
turn this upside down if I wanted to try this out and turn it upside
down. Do it? Please see if it stays in. Oh that's good.
It's good. So you would bring that? Would you bring that to
a barbecue? Oh? Yeah, all day? I worry, But it's
a healthier option. It is full of spinach and kale. Like you if
you don't need your meta musile this day, when you have this dip,
that's gonna be a great Brian Seamen called next year when Kauhi dunk he had
his meta musle this morning. Uh, a little bit lighter on will close
this thing out. We have one horrible dip to bring to your enemy.
We have a great dip that Adam is gonna hopefully bring it the next clips
and dip barbecue. And you have a double dip with a hot chip chip
lay it. Honest? Yeah, where should I start? Well, I'm
gonna start chip because as we discussed earlier, it's sort of the foundation.
You can't just have dip. Well, I mean some people do spoon.
I know, I'm doing the keto thing. So there's not a lot of
good chip options out there. But the best substitute that i've leaves. If
you just take some some cabbage leaves, it's got like the right amount of
crunch. You can kind of make it in the same shape. I usually
put my head in my fridge and I'll just randomly tear pieces off and dip
it into some sauce. I've tried other things that's a substitute for chips,
you know, I've tried celery and carrots and stuff. It's just not really
the same. It's just not really cutting the mustard, so to speak.
Oh the cheesy bites, Yeah, those are. That's some things for sure.
I like the cabbage thing. That's my hot chip tip. As far
as dips go, I got a little double for you. One is,
man, should I show this on cam? I don't really know? I
mean, is it showable on cam? Okay, it seems like you like
one more than the other. Well, I just was lower on one than
the other. Got it? So my two favorite dips to pair with this
hot hot chip dip or hot chip tip, Well, actually, I don't
know if it's my two favorite, it's just what I had on hand.
I would go sesame oil and salt, classic Korean barbecue side it also just
it makes a phenomenal It makes a phenomenal dip. I'm not gonna lie.
It's so good you're hitting all your bases. And I also got if you
notice the darker sauce if you're watching this on video, I have the sanj
Seshuan sauce because it has no carbs in it. A lot of those prepackaged
sort of like you know, your orange sauce, your Sichuan sauce. A
lot of them got a lot of sugar, but this one is no far.
So there are two dips and a hot chip tip for it. And
would you bring both of these dips to a barbecue? Oh? I mean
I would. I would legit make a platter of this. I think it's
like that that tasty and like you can, you know, you can eat
a bunch of it, like calorically, it doesn't really matter and it's pretty
fun to eat. Hell yeah, well, I think we knocked the chip
dip part out of the park. Is this what everybody wanted? This?
This is coming every week every week in the off seas, and you people
ask for this two years for us to figure this out. We got there.
We got a great system for it. What did you take it to
a barbecue? I think that's a pretty good real world system to apply.
No, we didn't specify that. We just said that barbecue and you had
an extra dip this week and you had a chip tip, So we've set
the bar very high. We're going to be back about wraps things up,
I believe, unless you have anything else we'd like to to speak about involving
the Clippers or the upcoming election. I like the format. I like Chuck
came up with it and with the dip. But we can eat while the
show's going on, as well as we have our mic commuted. So far,
so good. Yes, we're going to be back next week with a
special guest, probably Carl Tart, hopefully maybe Lot Murray could be a good
time. We're going to get it figured out. Rate and reviews really help
us. Will. Where can people subscribe or even write their feelings about this
podcast? Should they feel so inclined? Will is enjoying his dips. He's
giving me the one minute hold up for those of you listening and I so
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interact with the show, we we really appreciate it. Really off season,
it's gonna be a good time. Things get weird on here and it's a
lot of fun. I thrive when the team is kind of in the dumps
vibe wise, So I think everyone's gonna have a really good time this offseason.
Adam, I know it's the off season. We need one positive thing
for these Clippers fans heading into this rest of the week Man. There have
been some close nip and tuck, really stressful nail bider like playoff games right
now, and if you're a Clipper fan, you just go in with these.
It isn't hurting you at all. You're not having a heart attack,
you're not pulling your hair out watching some of these games. It's the other
is that have to deal with that level of stress, not you suckers if
you're relieve of that. But yeah, I hope we deal with it someone
next year. We are relieved. We hope we deal with it too.
Again, thank you for hanging out. We'll see you next weekend. As
always, let's go clips.