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to do. We're taping on June first and opening up Pride Month. When
my first guest shared her journey with me to find her authentic self, I
was blown away by her strength, commitment, integrity, compassion, and humanity.
It changed me forever because it put a face on what had been just
a movement for me, a face that I loved and respected. She has
been gracious enough to join us here at Being Frank to share her story story
with our audience and launch our celebration of Pride Month. Welcome Diana has a
happy Pride. Oh thank you, Frank. That was so sweet. I'm
really really humbled by your introduction and I'm so excited to be here on day
one of Pride months. Well, I certainly meant that. I really do
use a euphemism. I don't blow smoke. I try to be as real
as I can. That's why I call it being frank, mistakes and all.
So I really mean all of that. I had known you in a
previous life kind of if you will, and that a new life and the
connection to me was just fascinating in the journey. But before we get into
it, and I want to talk a little bit about it, why did
you decide to do the show? A lot of people might feel an awkward
is it necessary for me to broadcast my sexuality, etc. But you didn't
hesitate at all. As a matter of fact, you jumped at the opportunity.
Why Because I think that I have gone through something. You know,
I'm just one story. But I think what my feeling is now is that
if someone can relate to my journey or know that there were obstacles along the
way, but you come out the other side and you're like, oh my
god, this is happiness, this is joy, this is where I'm supposed
to be. Um, you know, so I think you know not to
not to get really down in the in the early stage of this podcast,
But I do want to say that, you know, Mental Health Month was
just um last month yesterday actually just finished. And you know, we've had
a very tough few years with the pandemic UM, but mental health and the
LGBTQ community is also off the charts in terms of um, you know,
not being able to live your authentic self, or to be able to tell
family, or to be able to be yourself. And I think that for
me, it's you know, the word that I never thought that I would
use is it's easy to be me. And that's how I feel. Well,
let's let's talk a little bit about your story, Diana, and we
hinted at it a little bit. You had a traditional if you will,
If to use a word, we have to use certain phrases. I know,
words trigger and but we have to have a conversation. You started out,
if you will, in a traditional marriage. You were married for six
and a half years. You had children, two daughters, correct, and
I we're going to let you brag about them shortly. Don't worry, I
don't do that about it. That no, no, your grandma's don't Oh,
I gave away another hint. Grandma's never never brag about their kids or
grandchildren, but even that the whole idea of family and it's still a family.
But but how did you? How did you and what gave you the
impetus to make the change to become your authentic self after living a traditional life?
Okay, and then you came out and you have a partner, and
you've been here with your partner, Emily for your wife for twenty one years.
You were only married for six and a half, so it gives people
a certain perspective. But if if you would, could you, could you
share your process, your thought process went through your mind in making that change
in particular, So I never worried about my confidence as a person in my
life, my career, my choices, my goals. Um, but I
knew deep down that I was not the and I'm going to use your word,
but I was not going to be the traditional wife. Although and I
think there are many men and women who do this. Um, you don't.
You don't live your truth. So therefore, you know, I grew
up. It was like, Okay, I'm going to date, I'm going
to go to plan, I'm going to do all this stuff as a woman
identified with all right, So but I never really had any serious thoughts.
But I always knew I wanted children. That was like buff four marriage,
you know that I always knew that I wanted to become a mom number one,
and thank god, you know, that came true. And it's been
a dream ninety nine point nine percent of the time when they were little.
Lol. But what I was going to say was when I married, I
married. I definitely fell in love with this man and I we had the
same goals, and you know, it was like, let's build a house,
let's build a life, and let's build a family, you know,
and then it became during the course of that the suppression or the life that
you know, the other life. It wasn't like schizophrenia. It was just
sort of this pushdown right. So it's like something was there. But I
couldn't live that way because I grew up in a traditional family, in a
you know, very progressive family. I must say. You know, moment
was a public school teacher in a principal and my dad was an architect,
very community but doing this or thinking about the process of coming out was absolutely
not cool, Like, couldn't have done it. And imagine going through school
in nineteen seventies nineteen eighties, couldn't do it, didn't feel it, you
know, grew up in the suburbs. Who do I know? Who are
the ros that I know that are living this life? You know? And
all I saw was on television. It was I'm going to age myself,
but it was Ray O'Donnell, it was Ellen DeGeneres, and they became sort
of these like, oh if they could do it. But then look at
the price that they paid, right, they paid heat prices and that scared
the blah blah blah out of me. And I was really nervous. But
I knew that my marriage not that it was bad. And like I said,
we loved each other. And to this day, you know, he's
the first person that I came out to fashion. I want to ask you
about that. What he said to me when I told him about Emily,
my wife, is that, you know. I said, you know,
I have this person that I met and I'm in love with her. And
he just said, are you happy? And I said I am happy and
he goes, that's all I want and that's all I want for you.
So that was cool. That was really cool. So the journey was,
you know, suppressing who I who I was, and then when I came
out, unfortunately with Emily Is we had to wait to share our relationship to
my family because they just were not accepting of it. You know, there
wasn't any um what shall I say? There was. The drama was my
inability to be able to be comfortable telling them how I felt, you know,
and I always say this to my kids that you know, I want
you to do whatever you want to do and whatever makes you the happiest.
And I've never ever judged their choices. Well, well what about you?
What about your family? Then what about your folks too? When you eventually
came out to them? What kind of response did you get from them?
So it was shocking, shocking for them. Yeah, it was hard.
I had been divorced three years and so then three years later than that,
you know, that's how long it took. But it's it was a work.
It was a work in process progress, And it's the same thing for
anyone I think who comes from a family that it's like mom, dad and
the kids. You know, back in the day, it looked different,
you know, my going to dinner looked different, my going to the movies
look different. Everything looked different, but I felt, you know, you
know, just enthusiastic and ecstatic. And I felt like I woke up,
you know, from a very long sleep and just really ecstatic. It did
nothing, nothing changed in terms of the love, you know. And I
always say that again for this podcast, is that some people think that family
will never come back to them or they just can't do it, but you
do it and you live with it, and acceptance is a beautiful friend.
And I had friends who I talked to, you know, so it really
took a village. I mean I had friends, very close friends who to
this day who I came out to and they were like wow, and not
that it was super shocking, but just they were so supportive having gone through
it. And in your particular time, what advice would you give to others
who are feeling the strain of coming out? What? What? What?
What advice might you give to them how they should And I'm sure it must
be different for everyone because of obviously different family circumstances, et cetera, But
there is is there any common thread that you can think that might help someone
through this difficult time of actually coming out and expressing themselves, because not every
it's not universally well received. It's one of the reasons why we're here having
this discussion. So at this point we hope to get there. So what
would you recommend? I mean, I think coming out is even like it
sounds so old, you know, so last century, you know. I
think for people now, it's just hey, this is who I am.
I'm Diana hass Right, you're Frank Leblono. I don't go out. Hi,
I'm Diana Hassan. I'm gay right, It's I wear a wedding ring.
I go to work. I sometimes my wife will, you know,
she'll be surprised. But I take the recycling or the garbage down to the
end of the driveway every week, you know. And I think the thing
is today is marriage is marriage doesn't matter, you know, your work life
is your world. I just think it's really different now. I think,
you know, in different parts of the country. And you know, I
don't want to get I certainly don't want to get political around this because I'll
leave that to Brook malloy because she does it so well. But I will
say that it's a scary time. I'm very angry about the regression. I'm
very angry that people. You know, it's like my girl said to me,
didn't you march for this stuff? Like fifty years ago or something like
that. And there are certain places where people do not understand it, do
not accept it. And you know what, people don't have to you know,
agree with everything. You know, the cliche agree to disagree is okay.
And I think, you know, you just have to be, you
know, be who you are. That's all I can say. And I
go into work and that is hi, you know, here I am and
I'm you know out, you know, here's an out, you know,
executive at Juannio. It's not it's just there's Diana. And I think the
good thing is is that hopefully, you know, it becomes more of a
non issue. But when it becomes a threat or if it becomes something there
somebody is going after you because you are, then that causes fear. But
you have to fight through it. You have to stand up for it.
How old were you when you first became aware of your sexuality? Very young
age? And absolutely? Yeah, yeah, you mean you knew you had
the inkling immediately that yeah, I mean, you know, it's attraction,
right either you're attracted to this, but it's really attraction to that person.
And I knew, um that I was attracted you know to women, but
it was like okay, and I just had to follow, you know,
the path back in the day. But I think it's very you know,
people are attracted to you know, whoever they're attracted to you, Well,
what was your It must be frustrating. It had to be frustrating for you
to have those feelings and yet as you know, you had to suppress them
or you thought that was the right path to take. What what? What?
What? What was that? Like? Was that frustrating for you?
I mean, I think it's was it frustrating? I don't know if it
was frustrating because I don't think I brought it to the surface. I think
it was sort of like, you know, you're swimming in a pool and
it's like it's like a duck, right, So you see this pretty duck
on top of the water and they're paddling like hell underneath. Nobody sees it,
but they just keep moving. So I think the thing was is for
me is I knew it, but I just was paddling like how and just
keep moving and you know, being I think really being the person that I
thought other people wanted me to be. And that's what I don't deal with
now. It's like whatever people want to say, think, believe fine,
you know, it's just it's different now. Back when I first, um,
you know, shared with people that I was in love with Emily and
that I was building a life that way, it was I'm sure it was
a shock to a lot of people, but you know, it was in
the early two thousands, and I will tell you that, you know,
when I was at Juwanio, the first thing that the new CEO did at
the time was ensure that the contracts and the lead I don't know if the
right worst contract, but the benefits included domestic partner benefits. And she was
very progressive, and you know, I was like, this is the place
where this is cool. You know, this, this is life moving on,
this is society moving on. It's a safe bubble to be in,
you know. But you know, like I said, suppression is not a
great thing. I mean, everybody suppresses a whole lot of things. But
if you can't be your authentic self physically, mentally, especially, you know,
it's it's a really hard gig, you know, it really is.
Oh would you have been comfortable having this conversation, say ten or fifteen years
ago, we have well let's start there and then we'll take it from there.
Would you have had this even had this conversation, let's say again ten
or fifteen years ago. So yes, I think so, But I wouldn't
have been probably. I have all of this life experience and raising children and
raising children who see no color and no gender, and you know, they've
helped me, and you know, in so many ways. And they they
you know, they've grown up with us being married and having a dad and
having you know, his marriage to his wife and another love and couple,
and they're surrounded by love. Really, But ten or fifteen years ago,
yeah, I would. I'm twenty we're celebrating twenty one years. So the
other thing, too, was I was a part of a traditional egalitarian conservative
synagogue and oh my god, I tell you, you know that that was
rough. But again, you have two rabbis, Craig Chef and Paula Drill,
who you know, took me in with open arms and really allowed me
to shine and have confidence. And I was the first woman who actually lifted
a torah on the what they call the Beema, And I'm sure other people
are saying, how could they do? You know, first of all,
having a woman, you know, do that in a conservative situation, but
it was egalitarian and to do that, and they gave me the confidence to
do that, So I would say, yes, I probably would, because
there were so many people that just like put their metaphorical arms around me and
we're like, you go good. So I think, you know, that
really was a pretty much pretty big eye opener and pretty big confidence builder,
because you know, you can be in a pretty low place when you're shedding
skin, right, So well, with with that mind then unbalanced again,
considering and we should talk about a little bit more your feelings towards some of
the anti gay legislation that's particularly in Florida, but it's everywhere. It's it's
not and that's the sad part. It's not exclusive show for us. That's
another hour, Yeah, yeah, exactly, but we'll say a little bit
of time for that. But even even with that said, the fact that
you are here openly speaking about it, openly living your life, have we
made progress? Oh my god? Yes, I mean, if I listen,
I've always said this and when phillis Frank you know, began this.
I worked with her um as I was vice president of the National Organization of
Women, and you know, it was her vision to start the Pride Center.
And I always said that if I was a teenager when the Pride Center
was around, it would have happened earlier. But as I've said to my
life took another death and I wouldn't have had my girls. Um. You
know, we're found Emily. So I think, you know, all things
being equal, have things changed, yes, um, I think you know,
especially with teenagers then you're struggling with so many things. You know that.
I think places like that have to be safe harbor U And I think
if you are you know, strong enough and you know there are threats out
there to everyone at one point or another. Um. I just think that
now, yes, it is easier because we are living our lives. We're
just doing your day to day you know. I mean you mentioned your wife
Emily and her family and early on the difficulties have they come around? How
did they come from? My baults? Yeah? Whose parents were around?
My parents? Emily? Emily was you know, she was out way before
me. So yes, okay, So you meant your parents were again stay
corrected. Then again you said it's through a process. Was there was there
any kind of epiphany for them as there was for you? I mean,
is that too strong a word because it was more a gradual process or is
there one particular moment where an aha moments where they said it's it's Diana and
still will always be Diana. You know that. Yes, I mean,
and I hope to continue to be that. But my my thing is I
fell in love with this person and I wanted to share that, you know,
I didn't want to be you know, dancing in the streets about it.
I mean, we all, you know, find love in our lives,
hopefully, And it was something that I wanted to shout from the rooftops
because number one, my wife is the most amazing person in the world.
But at the same time, I couldn't shout it from the ms in the
beginning. So that that was you know, you talk about struggle or epiphany.
The struggle was real. The struggle was in the first few years.
It's difficult for her, for us to not you know, be able to
be out I'll use that word now. There was no epiphany. It was
just the epiphany was Oh my God, I'm in love with this woman,
and that's the epiphany. And oh yeah, by the way, I'm you
know, it wasn't like gay Diana. You know, Diana fell in love
with this person now living my chees. So yeah, And I think you
and I are often like minded in that sense where and I understand the need
for a certain amount of advocacy, particularly in the gay community, and for
obvious reasons, but I yearned for a time where there are no terms.
If you wilp, We're all just human beings. It's all. It's Diana
and Emily. It doesn't have to be that gay couple or that lesbian couple
or whatever. Will there be a day where we can really get beyond those
labels. I mean, listen that they wrote the song Somewhere a West Side
Story in the nineteen sixties. Right somewhere there's a place for us. I
think we're still trying to, you know, make a more perfect union,
right, So we're still we're still on that journey. We're human, and
I think that's the part that people don't get, is that we're all of
this human race. And that's it's it's tough right now, It just really
is people are people. Love is love you. You always hear the state,
but we have to start living in Yeah. I have more questions for
you, including your your run for state senate in nineteen ninety one. I
want to talk a little bit about that and what that meant and what you
could have brought to the party there, et cetera. And but we're gonna
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Month with our very special guest, Diana Has Diana again, thank you for
joining us. A great first half of a conversation, and let's continue.
In nineteen ninety one, you ran for the state Senate. What gave you
the mindset to do that? And tell us about that as an experience.
Um, yes, that was an experience, but it was very formative experience.
And I'll get back to that. I had always wanted to make a
difference. I was raised again, like I said earlier, with parents who
really cared about their community and cared about children and you know, really changing
lives for the better. And that's kind of the impetus of what I went
into. I really wanted to be what they call a public servant. And
I feel that even now, servant leadership is the best leader that I can
possibly be, that people can possibly be. So when I ran for Senate,
I had a fourteen month old, I was married. I was really
really excited to be able to add my voice. I was thirty three,
Yeah, I was about thirty three, and I was running on the same
ticket that Bill Clinton was on, that Robert Abrams was on. It was
a very you know, sort of heady time. You knew that there was
going to be a switch. Um you know, there was a switch from
Bush, you know, to Clinton, and you know, I felt really
good about it. I also, to be perfectly transparent, I knew I
was going to lose, but I also I also wanted to give it a
shot. You know, I didn't shy away from as a big risk.
You know, I really wanted to, um, you know, very cliche,
make a difference. So my platform was public private partnerships, how businesses
could get in them and profits. UM. That sounds familiar to me to
this day. UM. I was a candidate believing in a woman's choice over
her own body. UM. I was a person who believed that early childhood
education was critical for kids. UM, not just to put lip service but
actually fund it. M So I ran on sort of this progressive planing but
also moderate. I was running against Joe Holland at the time. We had
a series of debates, one of which I believe was on cable vision,
which you might be familiar with. Yes, I think I probably produced that.
I have a feeling. Yes, So that was fun. But you
know what, we again different time, right. We didn't go after each
other, we didn't call each other names. We weren't mean. I looked
at it as an opportunity to get to know people in the community. And
I will tell you that Rockland, being a five town place, it was
really really great to get to know a large part of the community and helped
me and my dad subsequent to that, But it wasn't like they were believe
it or not drunk, you know, now that I look about it,
someone or a group of people did go around and do a little bit of
a whisper campaign saying, did you know Diana was a Lesbie? So I
will say that that was there, But the picture of where I was,
I was married, I had a baby, that it was still in the
ether, if you will. But it didn't. It didn't dissuade me from
running. It didn't dissuade me from keeping very focused and very driven to do
the right thing. So nothing came up really around the issue except for that
little bit of whisper. I think it probably hurt in certain pockets, but
you know, there was a lot of press coverage around it, and I
got to be known in the community of someone who really cared, and I
think that's true to this day. It's interesting that you mentioned that because that
was going to be one of my questions. Would it have been at all
feasible? There was so few so called gay candidates at that time. Would
it have been in your mind at all feasible? You can forgive the terminology
what other terms to us to be out at that time? Would it would
it be truly realistic to be elected as an openly gay candidate in nineteen ninety
one. I'm trying to think of how many it might have even been been
up before the time of Harvey Milk in San Francisco, some of the San
Francisco But was it possible here in New York at that time? What are
you? What are your recollections, your thoughts. I'm gonna say simply no
way, Frank Okay, well pretty pretty direct. There's there's just no way
we were ready to accept an openly gay candidate here in Rockland County, and
again to be since we stream elsewhere where Rockland is, it's about it's a
semi affluent, somewhat suburban county, just about twenty five miles north of midtown
Manhattan. So again, people get a certain perspective, so you would think
relatively progressive being so close to New York City, a very progressive city.
But no, no way, no, it's just it isn't There's no way.
That's That's as easy as I can say it. Right, So,
so at least we've somewhat changed, but that brings us back and again we
don't want but the time left, we don't want to. We probably don't
have enough time to cover all the issues with the growing conservative movement that is
once again suppressing the freedom that you work so hard we, I should say,
not just you, we work so hard to attain that. That's got
to be a downer. How does that make somebody from your community feeling we've
worked so hard to get it this force so that it's just said nineteen ninety
one not possible for gay candidates. Now we have gay legislators, et cetera
everywhere, But yet there seems to be a move to push it back.
But how's that coming from? And how does that feel? I mean,
I think that's just it's it's the power structure. It's you know, systemic
homophobia, systemic racism. I mean, you know, people don't want to
teach history now you know the real history of what's gone on. I mean
LGBTQ community has a vibrant and large history that we never learned in the history
books, you know, and now it's you know, it's becoming not okay.
But again, it's it's a power structure that's endemic. And I would
say it's fear because it's this and I'm gonna analogize it to something that happened
to me when I first started working at Juannia, Um, you know,
and on the show today this is you know, Diana has the person who
lives in the city in New York. It's not Juanio. But I do
want to give an example of what happened to a friend who I was walking
around with at the mall. And he is a wonderful guy, um,
you know, he's very artistic and creative and he's funny. And we were
walking around the mall and just talking and a young man about I'm going to
say like ten or eleven came up to us and he asked Tony about his
wheelchair. You know, you're in that wheelchair. Can you get up now?
I can't get up. And he has cerebral palsy, so his affect,
you know, is different, and he couldn't speak, you know,
too clearly. But I said, you know, ask him anything, you
know, he's don't be afraid. The father came along, took the son's
arm and said, you know, come on, get away from him.
You could catch it. Mind blowing mind blowing at the time. I mean,
how insensitive, how hurtful, how crushed that Tony must have felt.
And you know, I was just empathized. I was like, I can't
imagine that pain. But at the same time, I've experienced it myself.
Right, you can catch it, right. People used to say you can
catch it. It's going to happen to you, right. So I think
it's the it's the fear, it's the lack of understanding. It's the stay
in a room with me for five minutes. You know, it's like I
didn't you know, you can say to someone, you know, I didn't
know you were a Mets fan, and if you're a Yankees fan, right,
and we can talk about it. I don't have to, you know,
go after you and thing, I'll never talk to you again. You're
just you have a different, you know, feeling about something. It's the
same thing sexuality, you know, race, colored gender, all of these
things, sports teams, you know, whoever you like tonight, Celtics or
you know, I'm sorry, the Heat or Denver, yes, right,
sorry, sorry about that. Yeah, I'm not worried about the Celtics.
I was already depressed about the Knicks and all the new York, all the
New York teams, right that we know and love. But but what I
was going to say was, you know, that's the thing. The thing
that is horrific now is not only the lack of understand of our history,
the lack of understanding of interpersonal communication is that you can immediately be labeled in
an instant, and then that instant turns viral, and then that viral terms
somebody on the internet or streaming or go back to the beginning of this conversation,
and there's a teenager where there's a young person who has been labeled or
judged or bullied and now contemplates suicide. Right, So this is what's happening
even higher amounts in the get in the edge community, and what's happening in
the transgender community is a whole other subject, you know, a whole another
time. But the issue now is just I really the bottom line here for
me is just live your life, you know, and try and find what's
the most meaningful for all asphalts. You know, Diane, I promised to
give you an opportunity. You're a mother and now a grandmother, and you
want to give you opportunity to brag a little bit about your family and also
within mind, you know, with two moms and yet your daughters are living
their reality their lives again showing that it's not contacious. I guess the point
as you were saying, it doesn't love well. If it's not contains,
good parenting is good parenting period. But please do tell us a little bit
about your family. I think it's important. I know. Oh please,
Frank, Why would you make me do that? Yeah? Twist here people,
we're not visual anymore, but if they can see you, I'm twisting
your arm behind your back. Oh no, I listen. I am blessed.
Emily and I are blessed. We have two incredible young women, Carly
and Rebecca, who have two beautiful well partners, Ryan and Nick Um my
older daughter. Um and her husband Ryan have a beautiful grandson named sever which
yes he is named for Tom Stever somebody, somebody. It was so great
meeting Ryan's parents. It was the most amazing thing because Emily is totally not
sports person, you know, and I always joke with her. I was
like, wait a minute, you are an insult to lesbians everywhere. How
do you not like sports? Like? I don't understand this while his parents
big Mets fans, me Mets fans, and then when they told us what
his name was, just was flipping. So that was great. So that
they're they're great. And my daughter Rebecca and her soon to be husband Nick
next year they live in the city and they're doing great too. So,
um, you know, they made it through. It was tough for them.
Um. When I when Emily and I became, you know, a
committed couple, Carly was in middle school and middle school is tough enough,
and Rebecca was three years younger then in elementary school, and that was a
really hard thing, you know. But then it was love as love is
love, and I'll never forget that. Rebecca was actually mad that Carly knew
first. Great a good time if I too, if I might be able
to relate to a story with my girlfriend's son and her sister as an artist
and was burying her partner, et cetera. And I asked her son at
the time, I think it was eight or nine something about that old,
and I said, how did you break it to him, you know,
et cetera. Did you try to explain to him to women coming together?
And he said, didn't care at all. He wanted to know whether he
could ride in a limo or not. So there, I don't care about
that. Don't matter me at all. Can I get do I get the
right in a limo? So generation is just like that, you know,
so what who cares? Right? Yeah? I hope we can get to
that point with conversations that we just had with you, Diana. I so
appreciate your honesty, your camera, your candor, and your sense of humor.
It's always great, you know, and I think that's important. Things
get so intense, you know, if you use the wrong word, it's
all in the intention. If your intention is good, not to wound.
Your intention is to understand, even if you make mistakes. I want to
let people know it's okay to keep an open mind and an open heart.
You'll be okay. You'll screw up. Even I screw up. I don't
admit it regularly on the air, but yeah, even I do. But
you know what this is. And not to blow smoke back at you,
but these kinds of local conversations are so needed at this point. And you
know, you can have these big influence insert stuff and all of that,
but it's you know, these are my neighbors. These are my friends.
These are you know, these are this is the community that we've chosen to
live in. And you know, for you to offer this and shout out
to Neil on the back end of the operation, I think, I think
it's wonderful and I hope that you know, I'll share it everywhere that I
just hope that more people come on and realize you know how much you care
about what you're doing as well. Thank you, Tana. That means an
awful lot to me. This was a great, meaningful, intelligent conversation.
Not just to catchphrase, it's a real one. So thank you very much.
And of course we always thank Neil Richter the mail man. He's our
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