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What is krak Alakin Hardwin Knocks listeners, I am Damp Valley coming at you

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with my fantabulous co host Adam Promwell. Today. I'm just recording a quick

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intro because we recorded we went sort
of deep into the Celtics next series,

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Pelican's Sons as well, and also
talked about the youngsters showing out in this

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year's playoffs, specifically Jordan pool,
Tires, Maxie and the not so young

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Jalen Brunson. But we recorded that
podcast before the news about Chris Middleton broke

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that he has this sprained left MCL
and is going to be revaluated in two

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weeks meeting that he's out for this
series of the Bucks make it for Round

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two, maybe most part of that
one. So that's a big blow to

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them, especially because they lost Game
two and they almost lost Game one after

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getting out too that huge lead.
So I wanted to talk about the impact

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of that really quickly before we dive
into that actual podcast, and we will

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have more on the Grizzlies Timberwolves in
a future podcast. That series has been

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a freaking acid trip and it's been
tough to get a grips on, but

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super enjoyable for me specifically anyway,
until we are not neglecting them. That's

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just been we talked about it off
air bunch. That's been the toughest series

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for us to sort of wrap our
heads around, just sort of looking at

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the counters, the high variants on
two teams that like to get out in

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transition. So it's been a fun
one. Minnesota blowing that huge lead,

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will certainly have to test their metal
looking ahead to Game four, but we

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will again go a little bit more
in depth with them on another podcast.

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So with Middleton and the Bucks,
I picked a Buck sweep. No,

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I think I gave the Bulls a
game which they've already gotten. I think

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you could easily argue that they're going
to get at least another one. The

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Bucks, to me, should still
advance, but they're in real danger of

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losing this series. There are there
are things that you can look at correcting

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that have gone wrong through the first
two games. Uh, you know some

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of their You know, Drew Holiday
is going to have to shoot better,

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That's just the thing, and he
should eventually. Janice would be nice if

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he shot better as well, especially
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I'm talking about his jumpers, specifically, if he's going to take threes,

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which I do think there is value
in his just volume overall, you're gonna

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still want him to hit them at
a higher clip than you know, sixteen

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points seven percent hitting was the two
of one to six through his first two

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games. Not a huge volume,
but fifty eight point six percent of the

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foul line is the number that's going
to stand out more. Those need to

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go down at a higher rate.
The Bucks, I still think, could

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probably do a better job of getting
out in transition on live balls. Give

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credit to the Bulls' defense for really
hassling them and slowing them down on the

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catch, especially when you're looking at
Chicago after missus, the Bucks got on

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the break about thirty two percent of
the time for cleaning the glass after missing

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after grabbing a defensive rebound. During
the regular season, that numbers down below

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twenty six percent in this series through
two games. You look at some of

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the other vitals and it's not like
Milwaukee has lost the three point battle.

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They're winning the three the free throw
battle, but they should be winning it

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by more given the number of free
throws that they've taken. You know,

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you're looking at even just second chance
opportunities points off turners, Like, there's

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no big gap here, just aside
from the fact that the Bulls have done,

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I think, a much better job
of executing their defensive game plan overall,

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and kudos to Alex Caruso picked up
some big reps against Janis in game

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two the Bucks for the series,
and I would hazard a lot of this

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is from game two specifically, as
a team matchup data is imperfect when I'm

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just looking at this as a team. On the possessions in which Alex Caruso

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is registered as a primary defender or
partial defender. On honest, the Bucks

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are averaging as a team point eight
nine points per possession. That is really

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freaking low, and it's a testament
to the job. But I think the

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Bulls have done kind of throwing Milwaukee
out of sorts there, and I think

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you could, you know, make
the argument that there's a level of unsustainability

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to the way that the Bulls are
defending. But it's not like they're shooting

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the lights out from three collectively at
the other end, or shooting a ton

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of threes in general. Zach Lavine
is just not playing his best basketball right

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now. And I know he has
the knee thing going on, but we've

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seen him play better. Nicola Vouchers
had a really off Game one before going

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off in Game two. This has
not been you know, like a necessarily

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an ideal offensive series for them.
It's even been tight for Demard Rosen at

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points. He is you know,
he is yet to make a three.

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He's O four in the series.
Patrick Williams is also O four from three

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in the series. You have two
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threes. They've been I don't want
to say thrown out of their element,

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but they've even explored some Derek Jones
Junior at the five combinations because of the

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way that Milwaukee plays, which I
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looked pretty good for them. So
kudos to Billy Donovan for making that adjustment.

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But I'm just saying that I don't
think that the Bulls have played above

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their head in this series. And
that's you know, maybe defensively, but

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I think they have the potential to
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Milwaukee is built to come up a
lot of what Chicago does. That being

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said, it becomes a lot harder
without Chris Middleton and the Bucks should be

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okay. Defensively, you still have
Wesley Matthews, who's done a lot of

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heavy lists in there to begin with. You can go with Pat Conaton,

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though I think they'll probably lean on
Grayson Alton Allen more than Pat Conaton,

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just given incandescon Grayson Allen was at
points during the regular season not to be

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confused with what's happened in this series
where he has just not really played a

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factor whatsoever. He is he had
to hit a three if we're going over

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players, if he had to the
three in this series. So I think

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it's going to impact them. It
impacts their defense because I just think you're

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plugging in someone who's worse than Middleton
there as well. But it's gonna hurt

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you even more on offense, where
Middleton is just your second primary ball handler

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essentially, and I'm not you know, Jannie is going to get more fron

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Core touches and he has improved his
playmaking a lot, but Johannis is not

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the guy that you want to slow
things down and run pick and roll.

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That is Drew and Chris Middleton on
this team. We've seen it in crunch

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time where they want to even go
with the two man game with Jannis,

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you need a Drew or Chris Middleton
to initiate whatever actions you want to run

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there. That's not Yannis's game,
and Yannis cannot you know, run actions

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for Yannis in those situations, Like
Jannis is so dangerous in part because of

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the things that he can do away
from the ball or someone who's not going

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to get the ball to a little
bit later in some of the places.

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Yes, we want to see Jannie
get out and run, but being more

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realistic, when you're slowing things down, you need to Drew Holiday and Chris

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Middleton, both of them equally.
And now Chris Middleton is just gone.

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And if you're looking, you know, let's just throw the playoffs data out

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of the equation for now. Like
Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton were one and

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two respectively in picking rolls run this
season with the Bucks five per game for

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Middleton, five point nine for Holiday. Janice was third at one point eight,

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and so like they're not relying on
it as much as other teams given

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the way that they play, which
is fine, but that's a huge drop

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off. And so now all of
a sudden you're looking at this from the

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perspective of, oh shit are they
is Javon Carter like the guy they're gonna

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need to run picking rolls because you
know, if George Hill was healthy,

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which he hasn't been, He's had
like one injury after another. Information on

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that feels like it's been super murky. We already know that he's gonna be

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out for Friday's games, So I
guess there's at least that foresight there that's

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going to put some real strain on
Milwaukee's offense, I think. And so

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you're gonna need to find a way
to Yes, there's the element of okay,

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well, Grayson Alan, should you
better? Drew Holiday will have better

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games, Maybe Janna slip more of
his three throws, you can get on

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the break after defensive rebounds a little
bit more. There are things that the

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Bucks can do, but their half, their life in the half court,

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has gotten inherently and substantially more difficult
without Chris Middleton, who for all the

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Chris mid jokes that were being made, he was on the come up when

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when he went down with that left
mcl sprain. And this is a guy

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who's had some big, pretty big
playoff moments in the past, even predating

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the Bucks as these super duper contender
types. I don't know what this does

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for Milwaukee's long term ceiling. When
you're looking beyond this series, they're I

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guess they're probably happy now with the
way the Brackett ran out, Like this

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is why you want to avoid the
Nets, so that if you get into

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this situation, you don't have to
worry about being down. You know,

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you were going up against the team
that maybe you thought I could go punch

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or punch with you, at least
offensively to begin with, or maybe even

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exceed your offense. But you lose
Chris Middleton, and that, you know,

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going up against Katie and Kyrie down
your one star even with then that's

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depth being as shadow as it is. That's just the thought process behind landing

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in this three spot. And now
though you get into the issue of okay,

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well, you're either going to face
Boston or Brooklyn in round two.

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Maybe you view that as a better
pull than Philly, which feels faded complete

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at this point, or I'll just
Miami that also feels faded complete too,

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to be honest, But to do
that without Chris Middleton and looking at what

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Boston can just do defensively the way
that they've really just rained hell down on

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Katie's life. You're giving them,
if it is Boston, just as an

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example, like you're allowing them to
zero win on be honest or Drew Holiday

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even more than you already were.
And so I think the next most like

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the most important player now who needs
to sort of the cliche of step up

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Middleton's absence, I think it winds
up being grace and Now, which is

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a wildly uncomfortable place to be.
And I do think it helps a little

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bit for the Bucks, especially on
defense that they have Brook Lopez, but

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this Middleton absence I think they're going
to feel And I would still pick them

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to come out of this series.
I did pick them to win in five.

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I just they are at a real
risk to me of losing this series.

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Still, what does work in their
favor to reiterate, I do think

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a lot of the things that they've
done wrong are correctable. I don't want

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to discredit everything the Bulls have done. They have just the energy levels there.

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That's another cliche, just like the
effort they're putting in on defense,

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and I've liked some of the lineup
creativity there, and I do think that

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you can argue that there's a kaboom
game to come from a Zach Levine or

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Demard Rozen. Still so interested to
see whether the defense can hold up against

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Milwaukee specifically. I didn't think the
Bulls without Lonza were built very much to

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defend these guys, and they've done
a much better job of that. Again,

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that's a huge that's a pretty big
transition drop off when you're looking at

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how much Milwaukee just rely on that
in the first place, and to keep

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them out of transition after they're grabbing
rebounds to that degree, is it booked

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twenty five percent of their possessions is
still pretty high quipped, but it's it's

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noticeably less than it was in the
regular season. So that's my view on

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the Chris Middleton injury. It is
huge, really super quickly we talk about

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Devin Bookers if he won't be playing
again versus the Pelicans. We only mentioned

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games three and four we recorded just
before it came out that he would be

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could miss as much as three weeks, So keep that in mind as we're

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talking about his loss. I still
think the Sun's ultimately fine that series.

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I think it boils down to not
to dismiss the Pelicans, who I was

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too dismissive love in our preview.
You know, maybe Phoenix can't figure out

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the second chance opportunity stuff for New
Orleans, but I would expect him to

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do a better job of maybe mirroring
minutes of Larry Nance Junior when he's at

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the five, or just on the
floor in general with their front court,

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where you won't see Javal going up
against Larry Nan Junior if there's no other

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Pelicans big on the floor in those
minutes. I also think that you can

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expect the rest of the team to
shoot better from three. David on Twitter

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four point play at four point play, I believe he had pointed out that

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Cam Johnson has also just been like
mesmerizing when he started, and that's someone

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who's gonna slot right into the starting
lineup. I think you get better performances

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from at the four point play.
It's at the ivy point play, just

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so just to be clear on that
one. So there's that point at Cam

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Johnson. I think like Jake Protter
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At some point he has been I
would say bad. The detrimental to them

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through the first two games. Maybe
you know, we saw some heightened aggression

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from mcal Bridges in game two.
I just I think they'll be fine.

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But if Devin Booker is gonna miss
three weeks, there's no such thing as,

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you know, an easy walk through
the Western Conference. And maybe you're

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not afraid of Dallas if you don't
have Booker and your Phoenix, you definitely

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shouldn't be afraid of Utah at this
point. Let's let's be honest, but

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if you're gonna face Dallas and they
have Luca back at that point, you're

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missing Booker for any sort of time
he has carried their offense or at least

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and like their shop making specifically,
we saw that in game two. That's

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a huge loss. You still think
they get out of this series, though,

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and so I'm hoping all these guys
get healthy. Fuck injuries forever and

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ever and ever whatever. You always
want to see the best players on the

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court. Sucks with happening to Scotty
Barnes in Toronto as well. Before we

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playoffs talk now, though we welcome
back my fantabulous co host, Adam Problem.

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We should probably start with Celtics nets, just because that's the freshest in

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our minds. Were recording this like
thirty minutes after Game two, in which

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Brooklyn Blue I think they led by
his money at seventeen. I think they

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scored like negative two in the fourth
quarter. Is that right? Yeah?

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Look, Kevin Durant had more turnovers
than made field goals. He had combined

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eleven personal foulsand turnovers to four made
field goals. Can I just say that

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I'm like, not that surprise,
and I'm not talking about Kevin Durant specifically

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so much as Brooklyn's offensive struggles in
general, because isn't this sort of the

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natural byproduct of the best defensive team
in the NBA going against a super isocentric

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Brooklyn offense that quite honestly does not
seem to be particularly well coached with Steve

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Nash on the sidelines, and like, yeah, Robert Williams is out and

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I stand by him as my DPOY
leader, even though Marcus Smart was was

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very deserving in and of itself,
but he is more of a luxury than

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anything else in this particular series because
there isn't that interior pressure from Brooklyn.

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So this this defense is still set
up to thrive against it and just re

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havoc with the switches and the double
teams that they can throw at these stars

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without the shooting around it to bolster
the offense. It's like, nothing about

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these offensive struggles have really caught me
by surprise, and I'm curious if you

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feel the same way. I mean, it's a little surprising. I Kevin

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Durant had like a capsa bad game
in Game two and that's just not something.

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It wasn't that great in game one
either. Yeah, but he's definitely

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miss shots that he would normally hit. But I've never seen a defense impact

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him like this. And gook Kyrie
in game two. After a mesmerizing Game

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one performance, he was bat in
Game two for Brooklyn as well, and

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you do get look, the math
is going to start to get you there

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because you're supporting cast. Okay,
you've gone drugage, Like you can only

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lean on some of these guys so
much. There's also certain lineups. Yeah,

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Boston might try and get away with
a little too much Daniel tie,

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but if you're going to try and
play Bigs against some of Boston's other lineups,

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like that's not going. That has
not worked out as well for the

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Nets either. And also it's like
their offense in the aggregate has not been

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dooming gloom. But you talk about
it being ISO and it's just you look

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at the fourth quarter of game two, specifically, when Boston is driving,

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there's like an unpredictability although are they
gonna kick? Is there gonna be like

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an extra three passes after that kick? And with Brooklyn it's like, oh,

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Kyrie, every he's driving he's gonna
shoot it, or Kevin Durant's gonna

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bail out and he's gonna shoot it. And there's like this that absence of

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improvisation I get, or the lack
of just creativity offensively in the fourth quarters

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really come back to bite them.
And I was impressed for a good chunk

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of the game. Definitely in the
first half. It actually how physical the

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Nets were defending. And I give
Boston all the kudos in the world.

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There's there are two guys on Kevin
Durant at basically all times in this series.

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It feels like, but I do
wonder part of me is just like

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Steve Nash said in December that the
minutes Kevin Durant was playing were dangerous,

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unsafe, and untenable. And Kevin
Durant, I think got injured after that.

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He's been averaging like basically forty minutes
for more than a month or over

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the past month now, and part
of me just wonders, like between him

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and Kyrie playing all these minutes and
look for Kyrie to take this as a

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joke or a troll or a pot
shot, but like you go from playing

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like once or twice a week or
even not at all to now having a

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play sort of every other day.
I mean, you're locking these heavy minutes.

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He was also fasting for Ramedan.
He broke as fast in the middle

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of the game, and I just
imagine that has to be super taxing on

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his body as well. And part
of me just wonders, like if the

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lack of depth of the Nets roster
is starting to catch up with them,

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and it is, but to not
see them counter with like any sort of

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fourth quarter creativity. And it's look
at the last possession of Game one,

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people were like, Kyrie and Katie
need to trust their teammates more, and

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it's kind of like, yes,
but they're not, like that's just that's

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how the Nets have played, is
they're going to run the ball through their

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superstars. And if those guys are
tired or there's not calls from them to

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do something a little bit more creative
than attack themselves, what else are you

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supposed to do? I have most
of the credits to Boston, I want

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to be clear, but I'm just
wondering how much fatigue and then just the

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lack of innovation offensively, which can
happen when you have superstars. I want

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to make that clear right, we
can fall into the low of leaning on

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them to create something from nothing too
much. The last possession for each team

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in Game one, I feel like
that's just the perfect microcosm of the series

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as a whole, because we saw
kyrie Le dribble the ball into a double

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team, couldn't get open, kept
trying to dribble his way open, it

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didn't work, forced up a shot, it didn't work. Then on the

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other end, Boston's kind of in
a scramble drill, Jalen Brown kicks it

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to Marcus Smart, who turns down
a pretty decent look considering the situation and

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the chance to win the game.
There to find Jayson Tatum for that reticulously

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impressive spinning layup. It's it's one
team try to do it all by itself,

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and it's the other team working as
an actual team. Often during the

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series, during the first two games, it's felt like Brooklyn is trying to

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set a new record for the most
possessions without a single pass in playoff history.

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I have no idea how to track
that or how to find what the

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record is, but it might be
Brooklyn. By the end of it.

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Utah might be giving them a run. For their money too, with all

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the one pass possessions that they've had
versus Dallas. It's look Boston, their

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defense is hellfire. And in Game
two, specifically to rally like Jason Tatum

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not even having like doesn't have the
best offensive game, but he was just

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he was fantastic defensively that team Al
Horford before he fouled out, Like,

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he made a lot of big plays
at that end. They've been able to

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force Kevin Durant into tough decisions,
tough shots and losing the ball. It's

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just something I've never seen happen,
at least that I can recall immediately right

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now to Kevin Durant. And you
know this isn't This will definitely be a

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tightly contested if it is a Celtics
in five type of series. I did

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predict the Celtics in five. I
just thought these games wouldn't be as close

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as they've actually been because of my
lack of trust and the nets there and

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just based off because we're discussing this, can you guess what Brooklyn's offensive rating

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was in the fourth quarter of a
Game two, like forty eight eighty five,

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which is incredibly blow So that was
a bit of a troll response,

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but I think a legit guess would
have been like the low seventies. It

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feels like they did not deserve to
be the eighties. And I don't know

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what you do to change this series, and I touched on this in the

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mail bag. I'm gonna throw it
to you though, because now we have

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the two of us. If Benji
Simmons comes back for and maybe we'll have

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the news on this already, But
if he comes back by game four,

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like, does he even materially change? I think so because Boston's offense is

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slow downable and Simmons is Simmons is
a game changing defender, and I think

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that just having that option frees up
Durant and Irving to expend more energy on

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offense and not get so bogged down, because ultimately these games have been close

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even with them trying to carry just
an inordinately large load. They've also both

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been on the parquet floors of the
TD Garden, and series are not over

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until a team wins on the road, you know, unless it goes seven,

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of course, But it does feel
like Simmons can move the needle enough

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even if he's an absolute zero on
offense, because some other players on Brooklyn

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have been absolute zeros on offense already, and he's probably not going to be

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because of his passing and transition game. Here's my thing is, what do

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you actually expect him to do defensively
after not playing for a year. Honestly,

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it just doesn't. Yeah, I
mean I don't. I don't think

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he's gonna be like that that floor
roaming, do everything switchable guy. But

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if you give him a help assignment
or ask him to be the double teamer,

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you know that he's still physically able
to recover because this hasn't been like

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a devastating injury that's kept him from
working out or staying in shape throughout the

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time away, right because to the
best of our knowledge, Yeah, because

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practice is definitely a good proxy for
NBA games or one on zero. No,

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it's it's it's not. But like
I would expect something out of him

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defensively, and he's too talented and
quite simply too long. That would be

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fair. Now, my concern would
actually be on the offensive end. If

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you get him in transition, fine, and if minutes you know, I

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mean some of the Kevin Durant minutes
in Game two or a Problem or Brooklyn.

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But like if you're trying to win
the one star minutes, let's say

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you attach Ben Simmons, Kyrie Irving
or Kevin Durant try and get them out

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in transition. I can't if you're
playing Ben Simmons, I don't know what

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the pathway is to playing then a
big End or Bruce Brown, and that's

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where things would start to bog down. I guess you can play one or

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the other because we've seen Bruce Brown
play with Nick Klaxton or Andre Drummond in

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this series. But that's something you
have to consider as well, and so

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you're eventually sacrifice. We're making it. I know Ben Simmons defensively is better

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than any of the guys I just
mentioned, but that's going to be a

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trade off that you sort of have
to reconcile here. And I don't believe

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that he's as clear I think if
you have. But I guess the other

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thing is just let's just say you're
willing to surround him with enough shooters.

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It has to be a minimum of
three. You need a minimum of three

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shooters around Ben Simmons, which is
kind of easy to get to with Kyrie

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or KD. My question would then
be, are you actually putting the ball

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in his hands ever, or are
you going to I shouldn't say ever,

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that's mean are you going to cater
to the fact that he's better or more

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effective with the ball, or are
you going to have him do more dunker

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spots stuff. Are you gonna have
him be the primary screener, which is

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a role that I think each of
us and many people have called for him

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to play, but he's never done
so extensively, and it's never looked necessarily

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great when he's done so in small
bursts, And so you're able to just

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come in and do something you've never
necessarily had to do, at least at

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this volume, and then do it
effectively would be something that I'd be very

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concerned about. Yeah, I think
I think all of those are valid concerns,

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but just from a bigger picture perspective, Like if we look at what's

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happened in the first two games.
Boston won Game one on a scrambling ridiculous

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a sequence that resulted in the first
game winning buzzer beater at home in Boston

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Celtics playoff history. Game two,
also at home, Boston one via a

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I believe it was a sixteen point
comeback with an absolute Brooklyn collapse in the

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fourth quarter and an uncharacteristically poor performance
from Kevin Durant. If Simmons gives them

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anything as the year, as the
series shifts home or comes back to Boston

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in Game five, I don't know
that it has to be a good fit

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because ultimately, like even a fifty
percent Ben Simmons trying to integrate himself into

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a new lineup with entirely new teammates
is going to be a defensive upgrade over

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some of what is joining the two
stars on the floor already. So I

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get the schematic questions. I think
they're all totally valid concerns that might matter

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in a different series, but based
on what we've seen in this one,

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like that could be enough to tip
the scales already because the margin has been

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so small in both games so far, right, I just I don't know

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how you can ascribe that much value
to someone who hasn't played in a year.

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And it's not even returning to this, but is it is it that

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much value to just be like,
you know, if he takes the minutes

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that are being played by Goran drag
I can't. After he was going draws

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from eight to fourteen in Game two
and kept the offense afloat what do you

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want to bet on that continuing?
Don't want to bet on it. If

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you're asking me whether I think is
a better chance of impacting this series than

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Ben Simmons, I'm going to tell
you that I think he has a better

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really, Okay, okay, I
feel like that's is that a hot take

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at this point? I don't know. I don't. I just don't know

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what you can expect from Ben Simmons
offensively, aminimum should he come back?

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What is the if you remove Ben
Simmons from the equation? Do you see

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anything that the Nets can do to
change the outcome of like game three,

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Game four, just moving forward?
Honestly? Not really, because I don't.

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I don't think I expect them the
games to continue to be close,

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but I think Boston has more juice
to squeeze on offense than Brooklyn does.

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Right now, they're not. Brooklyn
has shown no in game adjustments, no

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between game adjustments to convince me that
some strategic masterpiece is coming that pushes the

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game plan to something beyond let's give
the ball to our starts and get out

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of the way, and there's an
answer to that, as we've seen,

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and there's even just like I would
argue, for much of Game two they

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played above their heads defensively, and
so that's just like I feel like they

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start to run out of talent pretty
quickly after Keimn Durand and Kyrie Irving and

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Boston has at least shown that they're
uniquely built to impact at least one of

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them. You can like Kyrie had
a masterful Game one and Keimn Durant struggled,

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Like maybe it's one of those is
more of the norm than both of

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them not having great games. They
combined to go eight of thirty four,

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which is just like considering the why
to win with that? Yeah, so

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what would be? Do you have
an adjusted prediction? I had Celtics in

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five and I'm not going to move
off of it now, but like,

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do you see this? Is it
like I had Celtics in seven going in

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and I think I'm on board with
you with Celtics in five. Now do

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00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,160
you think so? We both think
it's kind of curtains for Brooklyn here,

405
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,960
as as curtains as it can be
when it's been so razor thin to this

406
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,079
point, I just I see more
improvements coming from Boston than I do Brooklyn.

407
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,640
The Simmons factor notwithstanding, I would
like to see at this point because

408
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,000
I don't think they care about Kevin
Durant's body. Clearly, maybe it's time

409
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:45,599
to try playing without a big for
more stretches or any stretches at all,

410
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:52,640
Like rather than having Nick Claxton and
or Drummond on the court, just just

411
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,359
try it, I mean, and
Ben Simmons making it easier obviously, but

412
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,759
for the time being, that might
be something I'd try to get. Weird,

413
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,039
but the nets have not showed.
I've seen I think Kevin Durant closed

414
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,079
like one or two games this year
as the day fact of five next to

415
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:10,400
Bruce Brown, but not a ton. I don't it's weird to sound so

416
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,880
doom and gloom with the team that
has Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving and just

417
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,480
had a double digit lead pretty handily
against the Celtics. But man Boston's defense

418
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,319
and just like their ability to keep
coming at you. I mean, Jalen

419
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:26,160
Brown doesn't really have a great game
until against the fourth quarter, and then

420
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:32,119
he just absolutely goes off and the
offense on the stretch right, and then

421
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,880
the motor that they have on defense
not being impacted by how much they're struggling

422
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,359
on offense. That's probably a cliche
to say, but there was. I

423
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,480
think it was a kimber if it
was the third quarter to close the second

424
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,000
half at this point, like Jason
tam just wasn't touching the ball. Brooklyn

425
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,079
did a good job of the nine
at him, but he went possessions without

426
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:49,039
getting the ball, and then there
he is on defense just still fucking shit

427
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,240
up. So this team is scary. And I wrote the Celtics off when

428
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,240
they were in their early season to
lay. So I can't be like,

429
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,519
oh I was ahead of them or
anything. Even without RW three, they

430
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,200
look like a team that could actually
come out of these This defense, I

431
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,039
said, the word is hellfire.
Their defense is hell fire. I couldn't

432
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:14,000
agree more. I think coming out
of the East has to be the goal

433
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:18,920
at this point. Nothing, nothing
short of that is acceptable given how well

434
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,240
they've played. Acceptable. Yeah,
I mean I think it's it's massively disappointing

435
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,519
if they lose at any point in
the Eastern Conference side of the playoffs at

436
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:32,880
this point. If good the boss
is disappointing. Absolutely, that is a

437
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,920
hot take. Why what is it? Because this team has played like the

438
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,039
best team in the NBA for the
second half of the season, But you're

439
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,119
saying that there's a huge gap then
between them. Just I mean, disappointing

440
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,839
is relative. I'm not saying like, oh my goodness, we need to

441
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:52,160
blow things up if they don't.
But yeah, like there's reason for fans

442
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,440
to be disappointed if they're not representing
the East, given how how good this

443
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,559
team is. Maybe that's hot.
I'll stand by it. Fans to be

444
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,640
disappointed. It feels like a different
framing than the Celtics would be a disappointment.

445
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,160
I meant, I meant Joka into
third a third of the coach at

446
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,519
the top three of Coach of the
Year voting, just saying the Celtics are

447
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:17,119
going to be a disappointment if they
don't come out of no fans, fans

448
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:18,759
would have a right to be disappointed. Thank you for catching me on the

449
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,759
phrasing. That's and that's fair because
I think the extra I would The other

450
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,720
thing is like Tatum and Brown have
played together for a while now, going

451
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,480
to break them up is That's what
I'm they don't win a title just they

452
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,160
both need to leave town. I
do agree with you that it's fair to

453
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:34,759
expect that this team could come out
of it. No, this is this

454
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,559
season is not a disappointment for Boston, just to be clear. But but

455
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200
yes, given how well this team
has played, like it's real, it

456
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,200
is reasonable to come out of the
Yes, that's what I'm trying to say.

457
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,599
And failing out that is we both
failed there, But that is That's

458
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:56,720
a perfect segue into Son's Pelicans Devin
Booker hamstring strain out games three and four.

459
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,200
At least that look, the Pelicans
aren't going away. They were.

460
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,680
I want to point this, actually
I have, I have. I don't

461
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,880
know if this is a classic Dan
rant, and I went on a twenty

462
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,519
five minute I did the solo mail
bag up a few things. When Devin

463
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,400
Booker went down. The Suns were
actually losing by three, so this is

464
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,759
not the Pelicans catching some huge break. So that's the only reason they won

465
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,200
the game. And I would also
like to point out that Zion Williamson is

466
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,960
not playing. That is a pretty
massive piece to not have on your team.

467
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,240
I know the Sun's dealt with their
own absences during the regular season,

468
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:37,519
Booker eton Cam Johnson towards the NCP
three as well. The Pelicans are missing

469
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,559
Zion Williamson, who is an All
NBA player at full strike. Just let's

470
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,160
not forget how good Zion Williamson is. If you want to make fun of

471
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,759
how out of shape he was coming
into this season, still feels like gray

472
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,079
areas he's so at the end of
the day, you could be like a

473
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,920
forty something guy making fun of a
you know, young adults. Weight is

474
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,200
just it's weird. I get he's
under a microscope as the MBA. They're

475
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,759
missing Zion, so they're not getting
lucky here. They've already been unlucky by

476
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,480
not having him. What do you
think this does to change the complexion of

477
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,839
the series, knowing that Devin Booker
is not going to be there for two

478
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,920
games at least. I actually,
I don't think it changes that much in

479
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,880
my head, because as good as
Booker is, it feels like the Pelicans

480
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:30,279
have overachieved through the first two games, where like they're shooting forty nine point

481
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:35,880
one percent on threes as a team, and Phoenix has been a machine while

482
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,359
missing pieces before, and I just
I don't expect that to change. I

483
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:45,400
mean Game two was also a Scott
Foster officiated game, and that's fourteen straight

484
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,839
losses for Chris Paul teams in the
playoffs with Foster blowing the whistle, So

485
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,200
like that's a factor too. I
don't think it was a huge factor in

486
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,920
Game two. I didn't really feel
like it was egregiously officiated or anything,

487
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,680
but like there's still that undercurrent.
I would like to interject though, do

488
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,279
you ever problem with people making jokes
about that? No, neither do I

489
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,800
anyone on Twitter who was sort of
just policing people making what was clearly a

490
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,239
joke, even brands about the Scott
Foster record when he's ref or CB three's

491
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,320
record in the postseason. When Scott
Foster the ref, that's fucking funny and

492
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,159
shut the hell up. It's like
it's a demonstrated pattern. And also Foster

493
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,880
has Tim Donny ties, so like, yes, you can make those jokes,

494
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,039
Yeah you can, So thank you. I'm just glad that we're on

495
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:30,960
the same phage there because I was
just I mean, I think it's a

496
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:35,760
legitimate thing. I don't. I
don't think that it was a big factor

497
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,360
in game too, to be clear, Like I'm mostly joking here, not

498
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:43,360
entirely, but mostly there was a
sentiment on Twitter that it was somehow damaging

499
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,159
the game or making perception of the
game unfair. And I won't tweet this

500
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,599
because I try not to be super
combative on Twitter, but like, shut

501
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,320
the hell up, like this is
this aspect of stuff is fun. What

502
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,599
is clearly over the top jokes.
It's better than the incessant complaining about refs

503
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,320
that you see in every single playoff
series all the time. It's better than

504
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,480
talking about the defensive Player of the
Year discourse or the Nicola Yoki shouldn't be

505
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:13,000
the MVP conversation, a lot of
a lot of toxicence Foster debate is more

506
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,719
reasonable than right just like I apologize
for interrupting now, no no, I

507
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,400
mean, but I mean like again, like forty nine point one percent as

508
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,880
a team on threes, and it
feels like a lot of the role players

509
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,119
are overachieving right now, Like we
haven't seen that this version of Larry Nance

510
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:37,199
Junior in years, brandon Ingram just
making a superstar leap all of a sudden

511
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:43,519
against a defense as potent as Phoenixes
and just nailing one shot after another like

512
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,719
he is incapable of missing, I
mean towards the end of that, and

513
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,719
Game two was just so phenomenally entertaining
down the stretch. The shot making from

514
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:58,639
both teams on display was just superb, and Ingram chief among everyone just net

515
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:02,039
not even rippling on these difficult turnaround
jumpers that he's hitting. So it feels

516
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:07,280
like there's so many things that would
have to continue for New Orleans to even

517
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,239
have a chance. Not to mention
that their roster is so heavily comprised of

518
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,760
players who haven't been here before,
you know, Ingram is still in his

519
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:22,119
first postseason series. They're playing three
rookies, prominent minutes, prominent roles.

520
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:29,760
That's tough as a series advances and
the adjustments get made, especially with a

521
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,880
first year head coach who's done a
great job to this point. On the

522
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:38,440
sidelines, Phoenix remains a machine and
has a lot of schematic advantages even without

523
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:43,639
Devin Booker there, So I think
these games get tighter. I think that

524
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Phoenix actually has to worry a little
bit, which might play to its advantage

525
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,199
because there will ultimately be a little
bit more urgency than we'd otherwise have seen

526
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,320
in a first round series that didn't
seem like it was going to be particularly

527
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,599
competitive, But I'm not. I
don't think that we should all of a

528
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,719
sudden be writing off the Suns in
this first round series, which seems like

529
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,159
some people want to do. This
could very well end up being a five

530
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,480
gamer. Yeah, and I talked
about this. We've probably I probably dismissed

531
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,199
the Pelicans a little too much in
our preview by predicting a sweep, which

532
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:20,360
is funny because I was probably early
or at least ahead of them than a

533
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,199
lot of other people nationally. But
I'm just looking at the Suns, is

534
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,199
like these machines. I New Orleans
has blown me away in this series.

535
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,679
What are the you know? And
I think there are things that Phoenix can

536
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:37,280
do to where It's offense without Booker
was pretty below It was around below average

537
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,960
when he was off the court this
season. They still won the minutes when

538
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,199
CP three played without him by think
over ten points per one hundred possessions.

539
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,679
I'm not too worried about their offense. There's been I mean, not having

540
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,400
your best score and your best your
second best shot creator is certainly going to

541
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,159
be a problem. I just feel
like they might have to be a little

542
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,119
bit more concerned about the defense side
of things, where in Game two specifically,

543
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:05,679
it felt like the Guards weren't getting
back in transition is quickly enough.

544
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:07,760
And I was digging in the data
on this. They've actually won the minutes

545
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,079
that Javal McGee has played against Larry
Nance Junior in this series, but the

546
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,719
Pelicans have won the minutes when they've
used Larry Nance Juniors their day Facto five.

547
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:20,400
And I'm just wondering during those stretches
if you need to steer clear completely

548
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:25,199
of Javal at center and whether it's
eighten because eight and his matchup proof like

549
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,679
eight and versus Larry Nance Jr.
Is not a mismatch, Or do you

550
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,280
even lean into like, Okay,
is Tory Craig the five there or is

551
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,159
it a Tory Craig and Jay Crowner
combination. Those are things I'm watching for

552
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:43,119
because I think winning certain tweaks or
on the margins like that becomes paramount,

553
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:47,599
at least for these next two games
when you don't have Devin Booker agreed,

554
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,360
and I if I'm the Suns,
I'm leaning heavily on Aiden for the rest

555
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,960
of this series because you force the
mismatches and you force the Pelicans to have

556
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,800
to play their true bigs as much
as they can to try to slow him

557
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,880
down, and ultimately, like,
without Devin Booker generating offense, you're leaning

558
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,679
as heavily as you can on the
Chris Paul pick and roll game. And

559
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,519
I don't think there's an answer to
that in this series, especially with the

560
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,480
wrinkles the Sun's throw in on their
pick and rolls, and they felt like

561
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,920
they got away from them sometimes in
Game two, like you can't even track

562
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:22,000
unless you go back and well,
at least for me, I can't even

563
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,800
track everything that's happening on a Phoenix
Suns pick and roll because there's so much

564
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,679
happening, And like, let's not
overlook that in game two after the Booker

565
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,480
injury, that offense was still scorching
down the stretch. It was just an

566
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,400
execution and shot making masterpiece for both
sides. So this to me is more

567
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,239
about the Phoenix defense turning it up
then, like, oh, no,

568
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,719
where are they going to turn for
offense because that's not going to be an

569
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,920
issue. Yeah, they did have
I was it felt like it shouldn't have

570
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,239
been this tide, but they had
a one forty fourth quarter offensive rating against

571
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,000
the Pelicans, and it just didn't
It didn't or they had a one twenty

572
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:05,239
four offensive reading it because the Pels. Just to put that in context for

573
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,639
any listeners who might not be able
to do that just off the cuff,

574
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:13,639
that's like better than Brooklyn's was.
In game two, the Sun seemed a

575
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,239
little bit more human and crunch time. I will when it got down to

576
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,360
that, yeah, I will say
I will say that much. And I

577
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,519
do think that maybe seeing Devin Booker
go down mid game like that impacts how

578
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,079
you're going to play. There were
shots that you know, Cam Johnson missed

579
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,519
and I feel like he would normally
hit. I do just hopingly think you

580
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:30,840
have Chris Paul as long as he's
healthy, you're going to be fine.

581
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:36,440
And as you mentioned, having eighten
and Michael Bridges is just you can quibble

582
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,679
about his level of aggression kind of
waxing and waning, but like when he

583
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:42,239
you can put the ball in his
hands and it's not hey, go run

584
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,280
set, pick and rolls. But
if you're kicking out to him in the

585
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,800
corner or just giving him the ball
like in the middle of your set,

586
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:50,719
like he will keep defenders on till
by putting the ball on the floor and

587
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,920
so there are just counters that there. And even Cam Johnson is probably if

588
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,559
you wanted someone to go generate their
shot from scraps, that's where I was

589
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,519
going to go. I think there's
some scalability to his offensive we haven't seen

590
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,280
because we have had to right and
I would argue you would pick him to

591
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,760
do that more than mchal Bridges since
that's not his style. It's I'm just

592
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,280
interested to see like kind of what
happens with the lineups, and I don't

593
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,320
know, you know, I guess
shout out to Willie Green for sticking with

594
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,719
Jackson Hayes to start the game in
game two, and that might be you

595
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,199
know, I think that increases the
importance of winning some of these games on

596
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,239
the margins, because like, you're
not going to win the rebounding battle just

597
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:31,559
they are. The Phoenix is I
think dead last in opponent offensive rebounding rate

598
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,679
for the playoffs right now, which
makes sense because they're going up against the

599
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:37,559
Pelicans. And the other thing they
mentioned this on the sun of broadcast,

600
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,440
which makes a lot of sense,
is that even when the Pelicans aren't getting

601
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,320
their offensive rebounds, there are just
bodies around you because they're trying to get

602
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:51,280
offensive rebounds and that's going to then
slow down your mode of offensive operation.

603
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,840
And my sentiment was to that is
can you do something like maybe try and

604
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,840
throw more aggressive outlet passes? And
I don't even know if you could do

605
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,679
that depending on size trees or around
you when it's happening. So that,

606
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,840
I think is why it's really important
to be like, okay, if Larry

607
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,320
Nance Junior is really I don't want
to say hurting again, the Pelicans are

608
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,360
plus one point eight points per one
hundred possessions with Larry Nance Junior at center

609
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,760
in this series, and it's been
longer stretches than I would have anticipated,

610
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:22,159
but that's still that's a big deal. It's the suns. So I feel

611
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,679
like something there, whether it's can
you win the transition battle? Can you

612
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,440
limit the second chance of points opportunities? Do you need to counter the lineups

613
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,840
for Larry NaN's junior? Is your
excuse me? Is the center for them?

614
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,039
Can you do more things to get
after Like I was a little bit

615
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:43,280
disappointed towards the start of that game
with Phoenix's offense, like not it felt

616
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,480
like they weren't putting Jackson Hayes in
enough actions when they were getting into their

617
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,480
offense, Like, those are the
things that I'm going to be watching here.

618
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,679
If Devin, let's just say Devin
Booker doesn't play again this series,

619
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,519
what do you think happens? Is
this still Sun's victory in your eyes?

620
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:04,840
At the risk of dismissing the Pelicans
again, because I admit that we did

621
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,119
that a little too strongly going into
the series. I and I don't want

622
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,119
to discredit how awesome and fun and
deadly and dangerous this Pelicans team can be

623
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:20,760
and will be for years into the
future. But it kind of feels like

624
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:27,880
the Booker injury is kind of obfuscating
the bigger picture here, which is like

625
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,719
the Pelicans came out with their best
shot in Game two and pulled off an

626
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,639
awesome victory. I'm not sure they're
going to get another one. I might.

627
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,119
I might still lean Phoenix in five
here, even without Booker playing again.

628
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,280
And the other thing I'll kind of
point out is I don't actually I'll

629
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,280
give you a chance to guess over
under on the Pelicans three point percentage in

630
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,840
this series forty seven, Well,
it's forty nine point one percent. Sorry,

631
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,400
you knew that they are not already
said it on this episode. It's

632
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
like you're not even listening to me
here. Oh I must have missed that

633
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,559
then, So I think you said
it twice too, madam, that you

634
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:08,159
would expect to regress it. I
love questions like that that make me look

635
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:13,239
good, by the way, like
the more of those, the better you

636
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,119
have to I mean Brandon Ingram and
CJ McCollum. If hit and this doesn't

637
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,079
extend adjust the three point, like
the shot that Brandon Ingram was hitting in

638
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,719
game two, we're just unfathomably difficult. You have to think like, oh,

639
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,000
Herb Jones and Trey Murphy the third
like or their SHOT's going to continue

640
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,280
to fall me. I mean Trey
Murphy was the best hys might that shot

641
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,840
looks good even? I mean Jose
Alvarado having that night of going to for

642
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,639
two, is that someone you still
expect to you know, he's actually been

643
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,800
reliable off to catch in those situations. So the level I do think the

644
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,159
level of difficulty, even when I
feel like there hasn't been a defender close

645
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,079
enough too, it's been mostly CJ
McCollum. After he's run a pick and

646
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,760
roll when I feel like they could
have contested a little bit better or defended

647
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,400
it better. They've made the shots
inherently difficult, and I feel like that's

648
00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:00,159
gonna eventually tilt towards the Sun's favor. But I will say the and no

649
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,599
opportunity is open for the Pelicans because
they were going to punch for punch before

650
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:07,880
the Devin Booker injury. And that's
what makes this, I think, such

651
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,920
a compelling series for these next two
games, specifically when Devin Booker is not

652
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,199
in. And look, if you're
the Suns, let's be honest, if

653
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,039
you can split in New Orleans and
you open the door for Devin Booker to

654
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:22,000
hopefully come back in game five,
that's maybe it's not ideal because you're probably

655
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,480
hoping to get some more rest before
the second round, but that's like,

656
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,639
that's almost ideal at this point because
you're missing an All NBA player. That's

657
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:34,079
what Devin Booker was the top five
m MVP candidate for me. He was

658
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,599
keeping your offense afloat for much of
game to early in Game two, he

659
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:40,320
hadn't scored in the third quarter when
he went down, So that is what

660
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,280
you're probably hoping to do in this
situation, this series that was already interesting

661
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,559
and infinitely more so, this is
to close. Could you try again?

662
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:55,199
Shut up? SERI, this is
to close with this. We both still

663
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,639
think the Pelicans are gonna lose,
but I'm not shutting the door on it.

664
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:00,800
I definitely I'm not going to be
as dismissive of them as I was

665
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:07,920
in our preview. Of the top
five players in points per game and during

666
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:13,519
play on Wednesday Night, Jalen Broughts
entires, Maxie and Jordan Pool are three,

667
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:17,719
four five respectively. Not a development
I think many would have seen coming

668
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,719
of those three. Who is most
impressed you during the postseason? Pool has

669
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:34,880
because Maxie Max Maxie is the number
two. But to me, it's Pool's

670
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,480
ability to seamlessly blend with the Golden
State machine in a way that elevates it,

671
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,880
because it feels like he's just learned
so much from both Play Thompson and

672
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:52,880
Stephen Curry to the point that he
can be a reasonable facsimile of either of

673
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:59,920
them on any given possession. So
you see him employing ridiculous off ball movement

674
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:06,719
to generate these open looks and hit
step back jumpers like Steph. You see

675
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,159
him knock down these deep catch and
shoot threes like Clay, and it works

676
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:21,239
so well. And the ability to
thrive in such different looks while still catering

677
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,719
to these bigger names stars and upping
his defensive chops in the process has been

678
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,440
ridiculous. And that's not to take
anything away from Maxio. I think is

679
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,199
just like a hair behind. And
then Brunson has been fantastic as well.

680
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,519
But I think I think the answer
is cool for me. Tyree's Matt.

681
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,159
Yeah, I think it's pool for
me too, because of you already mentioned

682
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:51,639
the mechanisms through which he's traveling to
as we're I'm actually not going to talk

683
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,079
about that because that will date the
podcast. Well, actually, it looks

684
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,360
like you're about to go down three. Oh, that won't date the podcast.

685
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,440
That's a different discussion to have.
But I agree with you that is

686
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,599
probably Pool with Brunson. It's almost
not fair, but he's just been doing

687
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,239
so much of this all season,
and a lot of it has been all

688
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,679
right. If you weren't cooking this
Jazz defense right now, they're probably being

689
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:14,840
still the Jazz defense. There's been
one not on the perimeter or not on

690
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,800
rotations. I should say it might
be a better way of framing that.

691
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,840
Still, I will say for Brunson, well, to wrap it up on

692
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,320
Pool, he has made nineteen shots
through the first two games. One of

693
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,639
them has come inside the restricted area
one and finishing is like part of the

694
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:36,000
appeal with him. I'm just it
impresses me more. Oh so you are

695
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,679
this reliant on the perimeter I think
because of the personnel that's available now he

696
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,840
has an effective field goal percentage of
eighty eight point two right now outside of

697
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,400
twenty four feet two games. But
that's still that's going to melt your mind.

698
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,119
Tyrese Maxie, I think is probably
like one of the five fastest players

699
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,480
in the league. Maybe that's hyperbole, after watching him in the series,

700
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:59,960
it does help, Like the caliber
of players he gets to play beside,

701
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:05,079
That's what we probably why Brunson deserves
so much credit is like he is the

702
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,880
one A or one B at this
point with Spencer did White for Dallas's offense

703
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,159
without Luca. But on the flip
side, he's getting opportunities that the other

704
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,079
guys aren't because he is the one
A and one B for them. That's

705
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,559
do you think that either of these
two other players can be the one A

706
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,360
one be in a playoff series.
I guess the defense with Jordan Pool,

707
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:29,440
that's you know, I think that
Maxie is probably the best candidate to be

708
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:34,280
that unquestioned leader of an offense.
Pool does feel like he fits in better

709
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:39,199
as either a co star or a
secondary star because there isn't that constant creation

710
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,679
to his game. But I think
that the all around package is still more

711
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:51,719
impressive. Is that fair? That's
fair? I just I mean Brunson has

712
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,079
done like his in between game has
been monstrous against Utah. He's even hit

713
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:58,280
a couple of step back jumpers already. In this quote, to quote some

714
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,320
guy from before we started, ri
he's gonna get put aid. Yeah,

715
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,239
that's for Jalen Brunson. I'm gonna
say eighteen million is I'm gonna set the

716
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,679
over under at for it. That
is incredible in a market where not many

717
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:15,639
teams have that much. So maybe
he'll be assigned in trade. De Troy's

718
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:21,280
floating around there with money to spend, so and look, he might I

719
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,719
would be against if I can do, if I was a team, just

720
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,880
I want players to get paid,
but I don't think he's on that level

721
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,920
of player long term. But He's
making a very difficult case against anything that

722
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,519
I could say against it. And
if if Luca doesn't play this series,

723
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,159
or if Luca returns in Game five
and the Maps are up three to one,

724
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:42,559
because Jalen Brunson is playing like just
out of his mind spectacular, I

725
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,880
mean, he'll definitely secure the bag
in that vein. Tyres Maxie, though,

726
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,960
has been just through and through for
Philly, And someone had said this,

727
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,079
I can't remember who it was.
They said that the Ben simmonsaga was

728
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,360
almost a blessing in disguise for Philly
because they never would have tapped into this

729
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,480
version of Tyrese Maxie if it never
happened. And I thought about that,

730
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:01,840
and I'm like, you're right,
because he never would have even had a

731
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,559
chance to be this level of number
three if James Harden wasn't there, like

732
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,559
the offense would have looked different.
Maybe the Sixers had bigger plans for him.

733
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:15,079
So and then just getting that time
as the Sixers primary point guard was

734
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,760
absolutely huge for him. He has
yet to miss a shot in the restricted

735
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:25,039
area against the Raptors as we're recording
this. That is absolutely incredible. And

736
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,000
if he's going to be playing like
this, And I know Tobias Harris had

737
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:31,320
an off game in game three,
but if you have Maxie and Harris is

738
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,480
your secondary weapons like really going off. And you can say what you want

739
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:42,400
about James Harden in the aggregate of
this series, the floor balance still changes

740
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,760
for Philly in a great way when
he has the ball because of how much

741
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,000
attention he is still commanding. And
if you have MAXI always capitalizing on that

742
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,719
with his speed and his shooting.
And then Harris even every other game of

743
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,119
Tobias Harris being the quick decision maker
that he's buying large band, the efficient

744
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,079
quick decision maker. Philly went from
I said they could come out of the

745
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,159
East after the hardened trade to me
being basically out on them too. Now

746
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,800
I'm like, well, we give
a shout out to James Harton too for

747
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:13,519
just altering his play style in a
way that's beneficial, because it is it's

748
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,599
tough for guys who are used to
competing for scoring crowns and taking all of

749
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:22,239
the shots could drastically alter the way
they play and become a pass first,

750
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:28,639
past second guy. He's a damn
good facilitator and he has embraced that role

751
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,639
and it's elevating this offense, and
kudos to him for being willing to do

752
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,880
that on this stage with a new
team when he's had playoff flop after playoff

753
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,800
flop in the past. That is
not an easy thing to do, either

754
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,039
in terms of actually playing basketball or
embracing it mentally, and he's done it

755
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,000
in a way that is benefiting Philadelphia. I agree with you. I the

756
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:57,000
only thing in to add I'm not
trying to be an asshole here. How

757
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:01,039
much of that is he can't be
the James Hart that you're referencing because he

758
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:06,159
there have been moments and how many
players have been faced with that situation and

759
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,639
I've tried to push through it anyway
to the detriment of their own team.

760
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:13,880
And I do think Toronto and I
didn't see a good chunk of the second

761
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,360
half of Game three because we decided
the podcast, but they've made life difficult

762
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,559
on him, And yeah, I
mean, this is this is a weird

763
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:24,800
comparison to make, but like,
one of the reasons that I was so

764
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:31,840
impressed with the totality of Vince Carter's
career is that he, better than almost

765
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:38,039
anyone I've ever seen, embraced the
decline from superstardom to stardom to role player

766
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:44,480
status in a way that he consistently
elevated his teams even when it was clear

767
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,719
that he was no longer even close
to the player that he was in his

768
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,440
prime. We're not seeing a drop
off of that magnitude for James Harden yet,

769
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:57,800
but it's still a difficult thing to
embrace seamlessly. And there has been

770
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,280
no like long terms step back period
pun intended, because it's James Harden.

771
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:08,960
He has just gone from being the
scoring superstar who racks up triple doubles to

772
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:15,679
this new pass first player like that, and it's working. That's hard to

773
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,840
do. The final thing I wanted
to get to here in relation to the

774
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:28,119
younger guys, how has Jordan Pools
upper trajectory kind of changed how the Warriors

775
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:34,400
look at their attempts to balance the
future and the present at the same time,

776
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,440
Because coming in, I think there
would have been fans analysts that said,

777
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,320
if they do lose in the second
round, because they're not going to

778
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,440
lose in the first round, we
know that's not going to happen at this

779
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,960
point, there would be a push
or a call for them, maybe even

780
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,199
anything less than championship, there'll be
a call, Oh, you have to

781
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,400
start cashing in some of your younger
chips to go out and get a more

782
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,559
established player. I'm just marketing back
to the flashes we saw from Jonathan Cominga

783
00:54:55,639 --> 00:55:00,800
during the regular season. Now Pool
started making this jump, and it feels

784
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,920
like I would I would, we
would have said. I think both of

785
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,880
us said long ago that the Warriors
were the biggest threat at peak peak.

786
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,159
Horrors are the biggest threat to the
Suns in the West, even if the

787
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,119
season doesn't end in a championship.
I probably would have before the playoffs started,

788
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:19,079
said the front office is going to
push back against the idea that they

789
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,800
need to go out and make a
consolidation trade because they're so one. They

790
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,039
have those legacy titles in their bad
already two. They do seem just so

791
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:32,800
confident in their ability to blend rebuilding
with competing. But now there's like a

792
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,440
certain legitimacy to it that it didn't
have before, where he has to contacular

793
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,280
all season, but the stage on
which he's doing it, the way that

794
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,960
the lineup has killed, which we
need a name for it, I think,

795
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,360
was Rory Brazil on Twitter. I
saw it called the title wave.

796
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,880
I thought that was good. I've
seen some like really undreaded ones like fast

797
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:59,480
five or something. Wasn't good five
for your funeral if we're willing to extend

798
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:02,159
the world account on a little bit. But I feel like this has sort

799
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:06,639
of unless things just turn and go
with a completely wrong direction from here.

800
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,800
There's a level of vindication here for
the Warriors front office, because it turns

801
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:15,639
out that if they have their best
players available, they can in fact build

802
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:22,199
for the future without torpedoing or really
even sacrificing the president I would expect almost

803
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,639
now, in large part because of
Pool, but also because of Kamanga.

804
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:29,159
Maybe they still have a ton of
faith in Moses Moody and James Wiseman.

805
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,360
For all I know, Wiman will
play in twenty twenty seven. It'll be

806
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for the Warriors, though probably not. But no matter how, no matter,

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no mean, no matter how this
season ends. Now it feels like

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the Warriors are just going to keep
along this route, and they almost feel

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like they have every justification to do
so. Maybe there is something to that

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light Year's thing after all. Jordan
Pool Man I late. I was late

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on the Jordan Pool badwagon. All
four we should start an appreciation thread.

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We should. We'll get on that. This was great, shorter than normal,

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not as short as we anticipated.
We hope you enjoyed bouncing around.

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As I mentioned on the last podcast, we're probably gonna get into some bigger

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picture stuff throughout the playoffs as well, so we're not just constantly recapping games

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