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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin main willis the main man.

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I'm the main man. Yes,
not m A I N m A I

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N E. Oh so I'm not
the main man, but I'm a main

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man because you live in Maine,
right, I live in Maine. Yes.

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Yeah, We've had a last year. At this time we had a

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foot and a half of snow away
until May, and this year short sleeve

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shirts. You know. Even I'm
going to work on my house today and

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I'm not even going to be wearing
a jacket out already. It's been really

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really warm. That's like our weather. I don't mind global warming as long

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as it's seasonal. Yeah, and
it doesn't affect you know, weather.

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But yeah, I mean, I'm
loving It's been a great year so far.

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Kind of selfish feeling, we are, Yes, it is very selfish.

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I have a feeling that we are
definitely going to be paying for it

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though. Yeah, yep, it's
coming, baby, it's coming. So

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speaking for it was cold and Arizona
at Travis Walton's Si Fi. Yeah,

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that's where I was. I was
gonna It's funny you use that segue because

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I was going to do the same
thing. But I also wanted to mention

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one of the reasons I called you
the main man is because during the news

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section, I want to talk to
you about a case from Maine. See

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if it's near you. It's an
interesting case. But we'll get there when

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we talk about the UFO news.
But yes, the Travis Walton conference was

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very chilly. There was ice on
the ground. I haven't been around that

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sort of situation since I went home
to Denver for Christmas last year. But

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it was very cold. You know, a lot of the Arizonians were really

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freaked out, talking like it's the
coldest thing and they've ever experienced. But

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it wasn't that bad. I mean, you know cold, I know cold

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being from Colorado. Cold is when
your nose hairs freeze right where you have

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to have everything and you you know, and in cold places you experienced that

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a few times a year, so
that's cool, But this was you had

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to have coat and stuff. And
see Arizonans aren't They don't necessarily have a

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lot of cold or coats or jackets
and things. So that's the other thing

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that they struggle with when they go
to a cold place, right, at

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least the one's from the valley here
where it's hot. But yeah, it

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was a very fun experience. It
went well, There was too much.

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It had snowed on Wednesday quite a
bit and Thursday morning, and Thursday was

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November fifth, so that was the
day. That was the actual fortieth anniversary.

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My beautiful and wonderful girlfriend Karen ran
the whole thing. So I was

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getting played by place because I didn't
come in till Thursday. I picked up

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some of the speakers and rented a
van and drove up there on Thursday.

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But she, unfortunately, and she
was kind of scared worried about this,

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they had to cancel the excursion for
that day. They did end up renting

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a couple four by fours, and
people with four by fours were able to

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follow Travis up and we were able
to secure a spot in one of those

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four by fours for Michael Klein,
our video guy, and so he got

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out there. And you're saying they
don't plow the roads basically where this location

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is, Oh, well, where
the location is deep in the forest.

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I mean you have these semi maintained
dirt roads like logging roads. Yeah,

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exactly logging roads that you have to
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not only that, when you do
get to the logging road they used to

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use, which you can't even see
from the road. You just have to

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know where it is, like Travis
knows where it is. But you know,

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they haven't logged in that area for
a long time, so that road

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has been abandoned for decades now,
so it's overgrown and it's hard to just

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distinguish where the logging road was compared
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out there, which of course is
pretty rocky, lots of big rocks.

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Hard to get out there, so
so usually that last leg you have to

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walk about a quarter mile out to
the location. So a few people did

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get out there. They had to
walk in some fairly deep snow. But

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Michael got his camera out there,
and if you watch our UFO report for

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this last week on YouTube, you'll
see some great footage that Michael got.

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He used a camera. He also
used this thing that kind of you put

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on a slider and it slides slowly
so it gives you this three D effect,

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so cool. So we got some
awesome footage that is there on our

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UFO report so you can see the
area. And Travis and John Goulette.

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See I called him Gulay, which
I think is you know, the proper

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way, but he said that's not
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But so that was fun for people. It was unfortunate. Luckily they did

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another excursion Sunday. Everybody was able
to get out there then and just a

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bunch of people and they were able
to get to the site with Travis and

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he walked him through everything that happened
and everybody had a good time. So

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and the talks went really well.
Everything went very smoothly this year. Travis,

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if you see him at a conference, like some of you might have

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seen him, he was at the
Paula Harris had a conference this past weekend

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and she also was at Travis's conference
just days before her own. But Travis

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was there, and I know he
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But if you see him, he
has DVDs that we made from his

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event and then at Open Minds and
I wanted to talk to you about this.

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We will have DVDs available of the
main event because Michael recorded, because

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I cobbled together the av and DVD
stuff for Travis, which was some literally

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me and my girlfriend getting some stuff
out of our closets and dusting it off

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and using some other stuff. We
had some excellent help out there. These

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amazing people, Uh, Dennis Feathermuth
and his son Aaron were helping us.

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Dennis is the director of investigations for
Arizona Move On and one of the best

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directors of investigation I think in the
whole country. H this guy's great.

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But he also owned Sunburst Video in
Casa Grand and he and his son helped

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out with the video side. And
then a couple named Michael and Andrea Bolo,

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who Travis meant at Contact in the
Desert also volunteered to help. And

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Michael to the a V and his
wife did a lot of other stuff.

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And these guys were amazing. They
were the best volunteers you could ever hope

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for. And they'll be helping us
at the UFO Congress as well. But

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so the av went smooth. But
Michael, of course he's got We've got

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our open mind through all high deff
stuff. So these videos look really great,

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and Michael's just got to clean him
up and make an intro and extro

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and we'll have the two panels,
and there was a witness panel and an

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investigations panel. The witness panel included
Mike Rogers, and that was really exciting.

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If you've seen the movie Fire in
the Sky, he was the main

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character. He was the one driving
the truck, wasn't he exactly? He

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was a guy driving the truck.
He was a crew chief. He was

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also the brother to Travis's wife.
You know, he Travis married Mike's sister

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soon after, you know, the
events had had taken place, and they

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were dating during the time. Then
the investigation panel, the most exciting part

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of that, well, there are
a couple. One of them was Don

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Walton. He's Travis's older brother,
and I thought he was the guy who

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answered the phone when Travis called,
but he wasn't. However, he still

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was you know. The family,
of course was it was a very traumatic

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experience and he was with his mother, Travis's mother and of course Don's mother

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and looking after the family. So
he talked about that experience and then also

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Chuck Ellison, and Chuck Ellison was
the police officer first met. I wanted

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that went great, So I'll start
with Mike Rogers. What was interesting about

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Mike Rogers was with John Goulette and
Travis during that panel. What was interesting

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about that panel was, I think
there were a few different things. One

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of them was that you could tell
and it kind of played out. It

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was kind of a touching moment,
you know, in the whole process that

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Mike Rogers really still had some guilt
about leaving Travis, and I think he

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even was unsure whether or not Travis
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And he actually verbalized that, well, I asked, I went there because

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I you know, you only have
this one chance. And that was kind

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of the difficult part, is getting
to this really important stuff in a sensitive

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and careful manner. And I think
we did, and I think if people

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see the interview, it played out
well. But he had mentioned that,

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you know, I have guilt,
you know, maybe I shouldn't have left,

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and Travis said, no, these
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did what they should have done.
I was the dummy who went out there.

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They shouldn't have, you know,
risk getting themselves killed. They should

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have taken off, and he kind
of murmured under his breath, Mike Rogers,

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Yeah, well, if you were
conscious, maybe you would have thought

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different. And so I said,
Travis, what about that? Because he,

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you know, Mike Rogers kept kind
of mumbling stuff and he was closest

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to me, so I would let
people know what he mumbled most of the

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time. So, because it was, you know, something to explore and

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I wasn't doing it, some people
were like, oh, you were trying

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to create some controversy or something,
and that wasn't it. It was that

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I've spoken to Travis. You know, he lives here in Arizona. We

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spend a lot of time together,
so I know Travis's perspective, and I

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would have brought it up differently if
I knew it was something Travis was angry

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about. But I know Travis's perspective, and I thought it was important for

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Mike Rogers to hear it. And
Travis said, no, even if I

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was conscious and I saw you guys
take off, I wouldn't blame you.

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You know, it was a dangerous
situation. That was the right thing to

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do. And so I asked the
crowd. I said, you know,

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I've been in this field for a
long time. I go to a lot

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of conferences. We do conferences,
you know, I talk about Travis's case

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a lot. I think most people
agree with Travis, And I said,

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what do you think, audience,
you know, and everybody, overwhelmingly it

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was just all you know, feel
the same that, Hey, you know,

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it probably was wise to leave Travis. You never you can always speculate

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or have hinz about a situation,
but until you're in a situation, you

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never really know what you're going to
do, you know. I mean there

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was a pandemonium in the truck,
you know. I mean just imagine being

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there. They didn't know what to
do. Fleeing is just you know,

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the fighter flee you know, you're
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Yeah, just you know, save
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Yeah. Yeah, you know.
There was a guy we're talking to this

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weekend, the Phoenix move On.
A lady who runs at Stacey had some

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people over and we were kind of
talking about the conference. A lot of

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them were the volunteers and stuff,
and one of the guys in the military

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is like, you know, that
just kicks in and you just go,

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you know. And if I was
Mike Rogers, responsible for all the men

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in the truck, he should have
left. I mean, he can't put

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their lives in danger. He needs
to make sure they're safe before dealing with

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that. I think I would have
done what he did, not because oh

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Travis was being dumb, but also
because think of if really they had this

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huge, big craft in this field, that would be very ominous. You

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don't know what the hell this thing
is capable of. They saw a shootout

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array, you know, and shap
him, whether it was intentional or not.

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You know, Travis comes to the
idea that it was unintentional, just

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that he got near some type of
electromagnetic force or whatever that zapped him.

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But you see a zap coming out
somebody getting zapped, you know, you

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have to fear for your life because
you know, they thought he was dead.

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Yeah, and I don't know about
you, but of all the people

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I've talked to, you, you
and I and we talk about this sometimes

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we hear from a lot of honri
people, and I've never heard anybody say,

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oh, those guys shouldn't have ran
and left Travis. I don't think

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I've ever heard anybody say that.
No. Never, Yeah, well boy,

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that what a burden for Mike Rogers
to have on himself for all these

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years. But you know what,
he seemed really happy when the crowd acknowledged

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you know, Travis is feeling and
I think that he maybe in the past

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had not felt that. Maybe Travis
was was being completely open with him when

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he said that. But I think
that, you know, Travis was so

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emphatic about his feelings on the stage
and willing to share that with the whole

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world. I have no you know, anger towards what they did at all,

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and the crowd then acknowledging it,
I think made him feel relief.

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It's almost like you could see it
on his face there on stage, so

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it was really cool. Must have
been quite a moment. Yeah. The

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other aspect which was interesting was with
all three of them is the scrutiny that

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they faced even afterwards, and they
all kind of represented something different. Where

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like John Gulatt he was like,
I don't want to live in a town

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where people think you're a liar,
so I left. I moved away,

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and Mike was like, well,
you know, I kind of laid low,

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but I moved. I didn't move
away, but I've moved a little

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further into the next town. And
Travis was like, you know, I

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wasn't going to let them run me
out. I'm going to stand my ground

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and live my life. I don't
care what they think. I was not

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gonna leave and let them run me
out because they're closed minded and they can't

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listen to what I had to say. So so that was kind of cool

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too. So the interactions I think
are really important for people to see because

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you just get the sense. I
just again, I've never seen with these

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guys who you can tell are just
down home, regular guys. I haven't

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seen any indication of them, you
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I don't think that they are the
type that could could do that successfully

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with it would be so elaborate.
And one thing you have to really note

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here is the story has never changed. You know, from day one,

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It's always been exactly the same.
And you know, the lie detector tests

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you can go on and on and
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face to face and talking to these
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good thermometer whether they're bsing or not. And I've never felt that. Yeah,

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I've only met Steve and you know, Travis many times, but Steve

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Pearris is the only other one of
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who was supposed to be there,
but his truck broke down so he

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wasn't able to make it. But
we also did talk a lot about Phil

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Class because they had so much trouble
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attacking them publicly. And even the
ten thousand dollars did the ten thousand dollars

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it did? Oh yeah, it
did come? Which is that apparently Phil

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Class tried to pay one of the
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the youngest, and luckily he did
not. And why would Steve Pearson,

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Why would someone do that? Yeah, why would anyone pay ten thousand

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dollars to have someone say something?
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that Phil Classes working for the government. I know a lot of people feel

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that way, that he was paid
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about that. Travis has gotten a
lot of some done FOYA and gotten foya's

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and gotten some information to show that
the FBI was watching Phil Class and they

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thought he was a kook. They
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a goofball. And you can see
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John Greenwall has them as well.
But and I know who else Kathleen Martin

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has those files also, So yeah, they're really interesting, which just indicates

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to me that I don't know that
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and I don't think that's why they
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see why they would feel that way
because he was so dead set against the

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case and wanting to make it look
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he never once interviewed or talked to
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wild, that is amazing. So
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of which was really great, of
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And Chuck Ellison was great. This
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know, he's an old guy now
and he's but he was straight on.

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He was like that cop that pulls
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you know that you try to mess
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and it keeps a straight face and
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So did he talk about his the
whole transition of you know, when

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they of that whole situation. So
yeah, So what was cool is he

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talked about how when and essentially the
dispatch police dispatch for the area was his

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house, so his family would take
the calls. So they yeah, exactly,

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so they took the call when the
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got zapped and they came back and
they couldn't find him. That was another

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thing that Mike Rodgers had said,
which was kind of funny because they kind

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of were at a dead end when
they took off, so they had to

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turn back and they had to go
near the site. And he did say,

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guys, if you don't want to
come, I understand, but they

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didn't have a choice. It's either
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in the middle of the woods in
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idea that. So they weren't exiting. He just took off and it wasn't

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the best direction, so they had
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near the site again anyway when they
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a phone. That was Chuck Ellison. He said, well, let's meet,

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you know, nearby where you're at, and so he went and met

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them and he said, you know, these guys are freaked out. They're

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crying there there. It's it's they're
obviously scared, and he talked about it

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was interesting because it's interesting to see
it from his perspective. From him his

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perspective, this was a missing person's
thing. He doesn't know what's going on.

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All he can do is take in
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He doesn't believe him. He doesn't
not believe him. He just listens and

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goes acts on it. They go
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search where they have a bunch of

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volunteers and they start looking and he
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is you know, shortening everything.
Five days later, Travis comes back and

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the case is shut. They no
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people were like, well, isn't
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he was taken, and they're like, you know, and people kind

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of had a hard time with that, but he's just like, look,

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we don't have a necessarily a suspect. Nobody is talking about a suspect.

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The families weren't asking us to go
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the families believed he was taken away
by a UFO. The families actually had

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seen UFOs, so there's no kidnapping
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wasn't like a kidnapping thing. There
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so the case was closed. He
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If there was some sort of evidence
that came out that showed there was

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some sort of crime, then we
would have pursued that. One guy tried

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to say, well, since you
didn't pursue them as criminals, then you're

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saying the police force saying they believed
him. And he's like, well,

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no, people lie to us all
the time. That doesn't mean we pursue

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a crime. Every time we pull
someone over they lie to us. Practically

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everybody we talked to lies to us. That doesn't mean we put all those

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people in jail. He's like,
I'd be pretty busy if I was putting

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people in jail that lie to me. So it was really interesting that perspective,

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and we also got to find out
I think what's interesting is were the

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guys, the loggers upset with the
police over how they conducted themselves and they

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weren't. Mike Rogers said he was
pretty upset during the time and everything,

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but he now sees in Travis,
you know, he's just a mellow guy.

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They now see those guys were doing
their job and they actually appreciated that

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they were doing their job and they
were looking for Travis, and so they

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have a positive perspective about the police
and the job they did throughout this whole

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thing, which is really interesting also. And it turns out Chuck Ellison in

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the end believes them. He's also
had a UFO siding and he told us

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about his UFO sighting and he thinks
they're telling the truth, and he thinks

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that there's UFOs and weird stuff out
there. Essentially, you know. One

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of the things that like when I
spoke with Michael Schrmer, you know,

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I mean, and other people that
have tried to debunk the case have said,

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you know, while Travis was hiding
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for those for that five days or
whatever, can you imagine that you

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saw what the temperature was, How
someone could hide out in the woods for

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five days? Oh, I know, in November at night it is below

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freezing up there, and if it
snows, you know, and ice,

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I mean everything. It's one of
those things if you live in a cold

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area, which most of us do. I mean not all of us are

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lucky enough to live in like California
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winter, but you know, you
everything freezes. So yeah, how he

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would survive out there? You know
during this man hunt with people having to

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have I would have had to have
been taken care of him, or he

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had to have been in a shack
with a fire or something, so that

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doesn't all pan out. We also
explored the idea of their just trying to

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get out of a contract. And
I think one thing people don't realize is

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that the people they had to contract
with signed an affidavit saying that's not the

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case, that that that's not how
this works, you know that, And

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they explained how you mean they don't
have an alien abduction clause. Yeah,

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well, and that's exactly one of
the aspects that came up. Best case

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scenario alien abduction would fit under act
of God, which is you know,

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kind of weather and stuff like that, and that's what they call it.

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Lots of contracts have an act of
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if there's an earthquake or something,
you know, you can get out of

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it or something like that. They
didn't have control. Yeah, they didn't

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have a clause like that, So
that wouldn't have even worked had they had

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it. But that you know that, just whatever, this scheme wouldn't have

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worked. So it's not something that
they would even think of if they were

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going to get out of a contract. That's not how you would go about

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it, even if you wanted to
do it in an uh, dishonest manner.

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Now, when you had the police
officer speaking, did you have do

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you have him on film? Oh? Yeah? And what did did he

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say? Did he personally believe the
story or not? Did he actually get

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into that? Yeah, in the
end he does. He said he did

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believe them. Yeah, he in
the end he does believe them. And

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this is what's interesting when Karen,
you know, my girlfriend who organized this

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whole thing, she did the research
to find a lot of these people herself,

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and unfortunately she did find some other
people related to the case that just

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couldn't make it. A lot of
these people don't have money, they're aging,

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they're sick. Even Chuck Ellison was
really sick. He having he was

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just in pain. He had fellen
fallen or something like that, and it

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was in a lot of pain,
but so not all of them were able

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to make it. But she found
Chuck Ellison and so she brought him,

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and you know, Travis nor anyone
hesitated. When she's like, oh,

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I found Chuck Ellison. That would
be great if we had him at the

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conference, Travis is like, yeah, great, he didn't ask, well,

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does he believe me? What is
he going to say? He didn't

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ask that once. That's great.
So these people really had no idea what

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he was going to say. Karen
did because Karen had talked to him quite

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a bit over the weeks before the
conference, so she had somewhat of an

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idea, but not at first.
But Karen, of course, is you

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know, just looking for answers like
us. She's not like a blinded you

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know, Travis Walton follower or something. She just is wanting to find out

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the truth and get everybody's opinions out. So nobody knew exactly. He could

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have come and said these guys were
lying. I thought they were lying from

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the beginning. I think they fixed
the light detector tests. You know,

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he could have said all of that. Nobody really knew until he got there.

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And it was funny because I asked
him, how long has it been

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since you've seen these guys and he
said, I don't know, it's at

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least thirty eight years or something,
and there was a gasp in the crowd.

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They were like, oh, you
know, and a lot of these

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guys don't talk to each other often
or don't see each other often. It's

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every few years sometimes, you know, decades go by, so they're not

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like, you know, keeping in
contact constantly. They only see each other,

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you know, rarely. So so, yeah, so that was really

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interesting, good stuff, man,
Yeah, really cool. And yeah,

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I have not even mentioned the guests
that I've got on the show. It's

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not Martin as great as that would
be, but at least we get to

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spend some time. But the guest
I have it's a short interview, so

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I asked Martin, you know,
hey, let's let's talk for a while

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about Travis Walton because the interview is
with a gentleman named Kapio Kanaga Karraga,

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and he's really nice guy. And
that's why I'm airing the interview because it

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didn't it wasn't what it was supposed
to be. So the marketing girls,

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in her email to me said Oh, this guy is really into extraterrestrials.

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He's doing this music project. He's
a musician in London, and I always

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love interviewing people from far away,
you know. But he's in London and

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he's a musician, and he's got
all of these other famous musicians together and

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they're doing this space opera. But
he's one of his main goals is to

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bring awareness to extraterrestrial information and that
they're here, and la la lah this

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and that, and so I said, that sounds great. He was into

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Billy Meyer. I am not so
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lot of it is not real,
but but you know, I appreciate other

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people's opinions. And I wanted to
ask him, you know, about these

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other musicians about why he's interested in
this topic and everything. And it turns

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out he is interested in the topic, and we did talk about that,

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but he's it's not about extra tresturals
and extratreustural and education and information. When

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I read them the sentence from the
promoter that I got, he's like,

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well you'll hear. He's like,
I don't know who wrote that, you

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know, so well you'll hear.
Because people get to hear how I'm trying

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to figure out. Wait, I
thought this is going to be something else,

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what are you going to talk about
now? But he was still really

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interesting, and he did talk about
his interest in the topic and why he

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believes that he does believe in the
topic, and some of his friends who

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have told him about this stuff.
So it is it was interesting. It's

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kind of short, but we'll also
play his music, which is he says

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channeled. He says a lot of
his music, not all of it,

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but a few years ago he began
meditating and his music would come from his

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meditations, and we talk about where
he thinks that comes from. He doesn't

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think necessarily it comes from ets.
He's not sure where it comes from,

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but it just kind of comes to
him this music, which is kind of

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neat. So we'll play one of
these songs and talk about that, and

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especially for you UK listeners, you'll
know some of the pop musicians that he

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is working with because these musicians I
was asking around, I don't know so

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much because they're British stars. But
one of them you will recognize you,

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Shaka Khan m Yeah, so we
all know her. So. Yeah,

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So that's the interview coming up in
a moment. However, we got to

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talk to some UFO news. Still
right, Oh and you like me to

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start right, Yeah, let's talk
some news. But all right, all

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right, Well, this case I'm
going to talk about took place in a

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town called Olivia, Minnesota. And
it always interests me when someone talks about

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UFO occupants. So this Minnesota witness
describes these UFO occupant occupants. And this

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was written by Roger marsh on November
fifteenth. And what happened is this woman

410
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.559
was driving back from Dairy Queen and
she saw this low flying object. First

411
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.640
of all, she thought it was
a plane, but noticed it didn't have

412
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:53.240
any of the marking lights on it. But she saw lights on it.

413
00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.200
But what she noticed right away was
is there were large rectangular windows and it

414
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.000
was sort of a like missile shape. Now, nowhere in the article can

415
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.400
I see any anywhere that it talks
about any type of wings or anything.

416
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:15.039
So just set a missile shape with
large rectangular windows. And she actually saw

417
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:20.680
occupants that actually were looking out of
the window, and that that's baffling.

418
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.559
And there's so many different things you
can think of when you think about is

419
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:28.119
this time traveling? What is going
on here? You know, in a

420
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.960
situation like this, those cases have
always fascinated me, like father Gil,

421
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:38.039
and there's a number of them,
the the the the school children and and

422
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.160
where was it? Yeah, all
that, so that's always intrigued me.

423
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:51.079
And what is going on here?
Well, she did get some pictures of

424
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.319
this, uh, but it was
just all you can see is like a

425
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.599
bunch of lights. It's kind of
hard to figure out, and the lights

426
00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.079
are kind of scattered, almost like
in a triangle. But anyway, it

427
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:06.400
moved over the treetops. It sort
of came right at her and then moved

428
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.000
over the treetops and then kind of
disappeared. But she there's a drawing if

429
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:15.880
you look at this article, there
is a drawing of of these like two

430
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:21.039
figures in each window, big rectangular
windows. It's kind of a dark object

431
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.119
too. And interesting case. Yeah, this was a fun one because the

432
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.159
object moved towards her. And she
even said one of the things about it

433
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.440
was the windows were too big then
a regular plane, and she could see

434
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.000
the people inside. So yeah,
really interesting case. And like you,

435
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:45.480
they're they're rare when people see inside
the objects. Betty and Hill kind of

436
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.159
right, and when you talk about
the large windows. You know, it's

437
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.239
like we're you know, being observed
or it's just for observation, which is

438
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:58.239
really baffling. Yeah, And I
don't know about the time dravels just kind

439
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.599
of one of those things I brought
up. But I mean, who knows,

440
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:06.400
who knows? Right, No,
I think that that's a valid speculation,

441
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.679
just as valid as anything else we
don't know. Yeah, but why

442
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:13.639
would they watch them come back from
dairy Queen? Yeah, I don't know.

443
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.760
It's a really big event. You
know. You understand when people say

444
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:21.000
like the Foo fighters, the historical
events or whatever, but this is just

445
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:23.800
you know, who knows. Yeah, But I mean if you're if you

446
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.320
are floating above the pyramids, Let's
say they come back and they're they're floating

447
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:35.159
above the geese of pyramids or something. You know, there's a Kentucky Fried

448
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.639
Chicken there. Doesn't mean they're coming
to look at the Kentucky Fried Chicken.

449
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:43.000
But but they do see the people, you know, so it could be

450
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:47.599
something else in the area they were
interested in. Right, Well, well

451
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.800
it's a good one anyway, I
think. Yeah, it is a good

452
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.599
one. This is a good one. Okay, my turn, All right,

453
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.320
I really like this one, and
I took a while to write about

454
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:00.880
it, even though I want into
for a long time. But other stuff

455
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:06.599
kind of happened, and I think
this is fun because this guy, Jim

456
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:12.519
Blackwood, he used to be a
Royal Canadian Mounted Police in seventy eight in

457
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:19.679
the town of Clarenville in Canada,
and he recently posted a YouTube video of

458
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:24.880
him being interviewed about a UFO siding
that happened back in October nineteen seventy eight.

459
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.719
And this was a really big deal
and the media went crazy about it

460
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:36.000
back when it happened. So also
this Canadian newspaper, the Packet, also

461
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:40.920
wrote about this video that he recently
posted and they interviewed him as well,

462
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.039
so I was able to get some
more quotes, which was really cool.

463
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.039
But this guy was twenty five years
at the time. He gets a call

464
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:54.800
that people are seeing something strange off
the coast, so he goes there and

465
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.960
he says that in between Clarenville and
Random Island, which is that far off

466
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:07.559
the coast there at Clononville, there
is an object, a strange object off

467
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.840
the water, hovering there that they
watched for two hours. So he says

468
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.679
that the object probably wasn't too far, maybe one hundred feet off the coast.

469
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.840
There was a person there with binoculars, but he actually had these super

470
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:28.519
high powered telescope type of thing that
they used for looking for drug runners,

471
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.679
I guess, looking at planes and
stuff. And he was able to train

472
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:37.960
this on the object, and he
said it had like a texture on It

473
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:42.320
wasn't necessarily just a flat metal,
but kind of a texture. It was

474
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:49.440
a cylindrical shaped object, cigar shaped
is what he called it, with just

475
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:53.280
kind of some kind of wing in
the back or some kind of thing that

476
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.079
poked up in the back. He
said it was larger or as large as

477
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:02.119
a Boeing seven thirty seven. That
he is an aircraft enthusiast, and he

478
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:08.639
couldn't figure out what this was and
really interesting sighting and what happened at the

479
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:13.840
time. They watched it for two
hours before it took off. He said

480
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:19.519
when he had gotten there, he
turned on his police lights and it turned

481
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.519
on some lights as well the object, and that really scared people. They're

482
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.199
like, what the hell are you
doing that for? And he's like,

483
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.119
well, I want to see if
it would do something. And they thought

484
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.199
that was a terrible idea, so
they left because they got scared some people,

485
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.119
but there was at least a dozen
people there, he said, watching

486
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.760
this thing with him, and he
reported it and it went into the news.

487
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.559
This is an interesting aspect too.
When he got back to the office,

488
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.760
he said he wasn't going to talk
about it to anyone. He didn't

489
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.559
want his fellow police to make fun
of him. He just wanted to forget

490
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.719
it. Ever happened, He didn't
talk about it at all, but he

491
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.079
started. The media caught a hold
of it and they started and his superiors

492
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:07.920
told him to do every interview,
to take every interview request, so he

493
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.440
did. He said, yeah,
isn't that weird. So for the next

494
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.559
two weeks, he said he was
getting paid just to stay home and do

495
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:23.000
interviews with CBC and TV BBC,
these are all probably Canadian news outlets.

496
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:28.079
But he said he just did tons
and tons of interviews, and so it

497
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:34.559
went really big. They did.
The local businesses started to do flying saucer

498
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.320
kind of products and sales, and
the town got to be known for UFOs

499
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.800
and stuff. But he said,
actually it was kind of annoying because people,

500
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.719
you know, did see him as
the UFO guy, and he eventually

501
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:58.400
left the area and because it was
so embarrassing and never talked about it once

502
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.400
he left, And for some reason, and I'm not sure why, he

503
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.559
decided recently to post this video his
other videos on his YouTube. He's got

504
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.440
a couple of him. He calls
himself the Raccoon Whisper because he's got raccoons

505
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.039
that come into his yard. And
he also, I guess, was on

506
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:21.400
the Close Encounters TV show. You've
probably heard about this because Leslie Kane is

507
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.199
on it. I know Nick Pope, and they all say it's really great.

508
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.960
Well, we've talked about it,
and it is, but it's only

509
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.199
being aired in Canada. It hasn't
aired here in the United States yet,

510
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.800
but it's supposed to be a really
good UFO program. Now. I wonder

511
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:42.119
if like Wilbert Smith got involved in
investigating this thing, not that I know

512
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.840
of, not that I've seen in
any of the research I've done, but

513
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:49.960
it's entirely possible. I know he
was around a long time ago, so

514
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.320
I'm not sure if he was still
active in the seventies or not, but

515
00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.719
yeah, it's entirely possible. He
said there was an official investigation and they

516
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.000
said it was Jupiter or something ridiculous
like that. And he called the guy

517
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.719
who determined that and yelled at him
and the guy that tail on it.

518
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.760
You know. Yeah, yeah,
so that did seem pretty ridiculous. So

519
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.360
that was a good case, pretty
interesting one. Yeah, that's great.

520
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.880
You know, I love these old
cases. You know a lot of people

521
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.639
say there's no good new cases or
whatever, but still it's it's really great

522
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:30.920
to revisit these and sometimes something comes
out of it when you do. Yeah,

523
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.960
yep, you know, like a
new perspective or something. Well,

524
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.280
I guess one more. We do
have a couple of videos like this one

525
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:42.119
from El Salvador with with some pictures
of orbs, which is kind of interesting

526
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:49.079
and a really short video clip.
Also, a Houston person tweeted a video

527
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.800
of a UFO but and that got
some attention from local media. But it

528
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.239
really looks like a reflection from something
inside of his car. But you could

529
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.679
take a look at that. But
this is a one from Maine that I

530
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.760
wanted to talk about. I was
curious just if it's close to you or

531
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:09.920
not. This guy is a commercial
pilot and he was driving with his wife

532
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:19.079
at about eight pm on October fifteenth. He was going. They were at

533
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:25.239
the top of Tory Hill on Curesarge
Mountain Road. Do you know where that

534
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:31.760
is? It looks like it's near
Salisbury or something. M Man's kind of

535
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:36.840
a big state. Yeah, lots
of stuff out there. Well, I

536
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.079
was hoping you knew where this was. Sure, Oh good, good,

537
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.360
you know where it is? So
anyway, but he saw this small light

538
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.480
and it began to come closer.
Then it turned into two rectangular objects.

539
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:58.760
And they got home and his wife
went to go get the mail and he

540
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.360
stayed outside to to try to get
some pictures of it or something. And

541
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:09.320
he said it went by and it
made this extremely loud, roaring noise as

542
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:15.000
if he says, as if a
four engine piston powered aircraft was illegally low

543
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:21.679
overhead. Because he's used to aircraft
because he is an aircraft pilot. So

544
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:29.239
he is a really weird case,
really interesting. I think it's always find

545
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:35.360
it fascinating when they say they,
you know, change shapes or or whatever.

546
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.239
So I was trying to find you
said it was Cure Stage Mountain.

547
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:45.480
Yeah, yeah, they're in the
in the story. There's a map of

548
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:54.280
the area and okay, uh no, it's Snare Pumpkin Hill it is okay,

549
00:43:54.360 --> 00:44:00.880
and Kimball Hill all right, all
right, and Waterloo it's near Waterloo.

550
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:05.119
These are places I've never heard of. Like I said, Maine is

551
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.639
a big steak. It can take
you almost a day to drive from one

552
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.599
end of it to the other.
And I'm it takes me two hours to

553
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.519
get to my house from the border
of Maine, and I'm I'm considered southern

554
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.239
Maine. Well, just keep an
eye out for this thing flying around that's

555
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.119
really loud. And yeah, you
can never hear of the hardly ever hear

556
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.760
of anything with noise. Yeah,
sometimes you do, but it is more

557
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.800
rare. Yeah. Yeah, interesting, very well, It's been a lot

558
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:36.039
of fun. Yeah, so thanks
for spending time talk to me about this

559
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:40.159
stuff. And we'll go ahead and
listen to our interview. But you take

560
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.159
it easy and we'll talk to you
soon, buddy, you bet, all

561
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.519
right, Thanks all, thank you. All right, So let's go ahead

562
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:52.679
and talk to Tapio. All right. I am excited to have on the

563
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:58.519
show Tapio. Come guys, welcome, Thank you. All right. So

564
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.239
you all contacted me. Now you're
a musician, Correig. That's cool.

565
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.199
Yeah, and maybe you can tell
us a little bit about your background of

566
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:14.639
music. Well, finnely enough,
I was sort of trained or educated in

567
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:23.360
the USA quite a while ago.
That was like late eighties. I got

568
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:32.239
a bachelor in music or mainly sort
of music composition. I studied at the

569
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.159
Clarion University in Pennsylvania. I don't
know if you ever heard of that one.

570
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:45.800
It's a very very tiny university.
But I actually got my start long

571
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.760
before that. I am My dad
is a musician, so he sort of

572
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:57.760
made me play different instruments and I
studied that. I actually attended like a

573
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:07.079
special music school from law grade,
third grade on I think the four and

574
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:14.880
when I studied at my you know, my hometown conservatory. So I was

575
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.039
quite serious about it. So it
was sort of a natural move to go

576
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:24.199
to university, and in this case
it was quar A University. I had

577
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:29.239
my first I for my first band
in the States as well, and that

578
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:37.480
was actually called the Spacer, which
is the name of my current It doesn't

579
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.719
really have anything to do with that, man, I just I just liked

580
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:51.119
the name. I actually linked it
off Isaac Asimov's one of his boots.

581
00:46:52.679 --> 00:47:00.320
I think spacer actually means a like
a space pilot. I could be.

582
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.239
I could be wrong because it's it's
been a while, well it would fit

583
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:12.199
if it doesn't, it could,
I mean, but yeah, everything sort

584
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:17.960
of goes back to back to the
States, to be honest. So that's

585
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.039
you know, the spacer, although
doesn't really have anything to do with the

586
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:29.519
current project. My well, myself
and and the other guys in the band,

587
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.639
we had a great fascination for,
you know, anything anything space,

588
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:42.400
anything sort of science fiction related topics, and I've I've always had that sort

589
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:47.719
of fascination for for anything like that, and I just wanted to sort of

590
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:55.960
pursue that ankle with this current space
of project. That makes any sense,

591
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:02.199
well, and we'll get into two
more of that. But eventually you moved

592
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.760
to London, which is where you
are now. Have you been there for

593
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.320
quite some time? Yeah? I
did. Actually, I sort of pursued

594
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:19.480
my music studies and I came here
to do my masters. That was back

595
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:23.920
in nineteen ninety nine something like that, and I sort of the stayed.

596
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.320
Obviously, London is the center for
at least for the sort of for the

597
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:35.239
European music scene, probably for the
whole world as well, so it's a

598
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:40.280
good place to live in you know, in terms of music and the whole

599
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:47.679
music industry. So, and you've
also done a lot of work doing television

600
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:55.679
themes. That's correct. Yes,
I think I'm lucky with that. It's

601
00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.239
not exactly. I mean, obviously
I have a degree in music. It

602
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.920
makes it a bit easier for me
to create that, you know, that

603
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:09.679
type of music. But to be
brutually honest, it's not really my couple

604
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:15.559
of tea as they say. Probably
a way to make some money, but

605
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.800
not where your your creative interests lie
exactly because it's it's quite limits of what

606
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:27.440
you can do. You basically just
doing work for somebody else and you sort

607
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:35.199
of have to follow their you know, guidelines and references as ye. Are

608
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:39.079
there any like really big television shows
that you made the themes for that maybe

609
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:47.599
we would recognize? Doubt? I
doubt it. I mean obviously I've sort

610
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:53.599
of worked with guys from BBC that
I've never actually had anything played on BBC.

611
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:04.880
But I backing in Finland where I'm
from, I've written I don't know,

612
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.960
like two different TV tunes. But
unfortunately, you whatever, you didn't

613
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:15.039
do that. You didn't do the
intro for the X Files, No,

614
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:21.760
unporsonately not but speaking of X files, and that's what we're here to talk

615
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:29.519
about. You have an interest in
extra treast urals and UFOs and how did

616
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:35.239
that begin? When did you get
interested in that topic and why? That's

617
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:39.519
a good question. It's kind of
hard to sort of pinpoint any any sort

618
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:45.880
of particular time or place for that. I think I've had that sort of

619
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.559
fascination ever since I was a kid, because I do remember, I don't

620
00:50:51.559 --> 00:51:00.639
know if you ever read the books
by Bills the Mass. You know,

621
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.400
there was a film called Son Carter
a few years ago, but they're based

622
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:09.679
on his books. I obviously,
you know, obviously read them in finish,

623
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:15.199
so I'm just trying to translate.
I think there was a book called

624
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:22.199
The Princess of Mars, and you
know there was a whole bunch of Mars

625
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:29.639
with the Lady Books. It's the
same guy who wrote a books, Edgar

626
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:35.440
Writs b I think so every you
know, ever since I sort of learned

627
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.559
to read, I've been sort of, as I mentioned earlier, fascinated by

628
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:45.840
any anythingthing to do science fiction stories. So I think those must have been

629
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:50.079
the first ones I read. And
obviously when I was old enough to go

630
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:55.519
to the movies. I would just
watch any any sort of science fi film.

631
00:51:55.559 --> 00:52:04.639
I think the first one I ever
saw was really By with Scott mm

632
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:10.960
hmm. Did you Did you ever
have a UFO siding of your own at

633
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.519
all? I'm not sure, to
be honest, I've had a couple of

634
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:22.280
a couple of incidents that I've sort
of wondered, you know, I've seen

635
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:29.000
strange lights going up and down,
but I never have any sort of official

636
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:35.480
compilation on those sides. I'm not
yeah, to be honest, I'm not

637
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:42.559
really sure whether I have or not. And but this current project you're working

638
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:51.599
on is in part or from what
I understand, to bring awareness too.

639
00:52:52.639 --> 00:53:00.039
And maybe you can explain exactly if
I'm mistaken awareness to the idea or that

640
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:07.960
extraterrestrials are visiting us now. Yeah, So, just to go back to

641
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:15.039
a previous question, I do actually
remember seeing it was like an exhibition of

642
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:22.599
Billy Myers photographs, and that was
probably the first time I was in sort

643
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.679
of in contact with that sort of
things. And and this current project,

644
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:32.639
which we call the Artifacts, it's
basically a short story, the sci fi

645
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:39.760
sort short story, and one of
the if you like. Inspirations for that

646
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:50.800
story was Billy Myers experiences with the
I think they called Blake Bladians. And

647
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:57.840
so basically, when I started writing
the story, I did a lot of

648
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.639
research, and you know, obviously
being Mayo was one of one of my

649
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:07.079
main sources. But as you broughly
aware, there a lot of a lot

650
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:14.000
of different stories and and and and
you know the other type of material about

651
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.840
UFOs or on the internet. And
I think the main one, if I

652
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:24.079
need to name one, like,
the main source was a book called True

653
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:31.800
Blood, Blue Blood or was it
blue Blood true Blood? And he sorry,

654
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:38.440
I don't remember the author, but
his story or his book is based

655
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:46.000
on the idea that we're sort of
our ancestors, games came from another planet

656
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:55.079
called Lima or Constellation, and so
basically they're they're like our distant cousins.

657
00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:01.039
And and the Artifact is a story
about a girl, an extraterristal girl who

658
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:10.960
comes to Earth to train a human
boy on what we call the ultimate mission,

659
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:17.159
which is basically to say Earth from
the climate change. And the story

660
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:25.119
is said in the future, in
about thirty years from now, so I

661
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:31.639
would say the Earth is in a
lot worse shape in the future. But

662
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.400
basically that's what the story is sort
of based upon. Is it's the idea

663
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:45.599
that that our answers came from another
planet and they've been sort of monitoring and

664
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:51.639
and sort of keeping keeping an eye
on us for for quite a long time.

665
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:57.960
And and they're not really I don't
know if it's a fact or it's

666
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:05.320
just fiction that only they're not they're
not really allowed to interfere with with us

667
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.599
or you know, the way we
live, oh, the way we lead

668
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:15.039
our lives. But in this case, is the the planet is kind of

669
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:23.960
all such, it's such fat say
that they haven't to sort of start interfering

670
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:30.199
directly with the course of events,
if that makes any sense. Mm hmmm.

671
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:32.760
And do you add from your research, I mean, do you feel

672
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:38.639
that's the case? Is that do
you believe, you know that something similar

673
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:46.719
to the storyline you just described is
what's happening. Well, yeah, I

674
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:52.719
would say so. I mean you're
probably familiar with Prometheus, you know another

675
00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.760
and I don't to be honest,
I don't really believe in in in the

676
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:07.280
idea of having engineers as they call
in that film. There may may there

677
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:15.400
may have been some sort of interference
at some point. But I do believe

678
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:22.679
that since we have obviously different races, you know, people are quite different

679
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.360
in different parts of the planet.
And I sort of believe believe in in

680
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:36.519
the idea that maybe we are actually
you know, the the let me replace

681
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:43.400
that that the that the planet Earth
was actually inhabited by different alien races.

682
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.559
That's that's what I like to believe
in. I don't know if it's a

683
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:50.360
you know, I don't know if
it's true, but it's a sort of

684
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:55.679
a fascinating idea. Mm hmm.
And uh. The information I said it

685
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:01.800
also says that Spacer aims to inform
an educate the world on the existence of

686
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:07.199
extraterrestrial life. And I guess how
do you how are you going to go

687
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:15.679
about that? Well, basically,
the space of Project is sort of entail

688
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:22.800
us a graphic novel music album like
the concept sci fi concept album and the

689
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:29.440
film script. So basically we have
sort of three different avenues that would sort

690
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.480
of like to pursue At this point. I don't know, I who,

691
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.039
I don't know who actually wrote that
lie is the sounds quite impressive. I

692
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:43.840
don't know if we can actually educate
people in that sense, but obviously,

693
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:50.320
through through this project, we may
be sort of be able to enlighten people

694
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.760
a little bit. I would call
it enlightened enlightenment instead of education or educating

695
00:58:54.840 --> 00:59:00.519
anyone. I mean, do you
feel, I mean, do you feel

696
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:08.480
that we are being communicated with and
enlightened by other worldly you know, civilizations

697
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:15.440
or people. Well this may sound
a bit strange, but I actually know

698
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:22.000
quite quite a few people who have
who've had sort of experiences with you know,

699
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:31.880
even Aidien races, either directly or
you know, through astral travels and

700
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:37.480
you know, things like that.
So I've heard finding a few sort of

701
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:45.320
fascinating stories about amiens and and and
you know everything sort of around that.

702
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:51.159
So basically, when I was writing
the story about the artifact, I spoke

703
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.760
to a lot of people, and
I sort of wanted to find out exactly

704
00:59:53.840 --> 01:00:04.199
what type of experiences they've had.
And some people claim that they go,

705
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.400
they have their sort of way to
go, you know, leave Earth and

706
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:15.840
and and meet these alien racings on
you know, either on sort of astral

707
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:24.480
planes or or actually physically getting on
their spaceships. But to be honest,

708
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:36.039
I've never had any any any experiences
like that. But I don't know how

709
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.559
to sort of put it. I
sort of I tend to believe these people.

710
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:45.199
I don't think they're making these stories
up because that obviously, you know,

711
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:52.239
it's not exactly the way the best
way to go about doing things.

712
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:59.440
So I sort of tend to believe
most of the things that I've heard,

713
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:02.440
and that's what, you know,
those stories I've tried to incorporate in the

714
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:08.280
story, But as far as my
sort of own personal experiences, they're quite

715
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:15.119
limited in that sense. It sounds
like, though, these talking to your

716
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:21.800
friends or talking to these people who
believe they've had these experiences, with the

717
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:28.599
messages they've shared with you have inspired
you, especially with this project. I

718
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:32.360
guess what were those messages? What
were kind of the themes or ideas that

719
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:38.519
did inspire you. Well, one
of the sort of main topics, if

720
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:44.840
you like this, is the fact
that they very sort of concern and worried

721
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:52.199
about the state of this planet.
And that's obviously sort of the main topic

722
01:01:52.280 --> 01:02:00.960
of the story. But what I
don't personally, what I don't quite understand

723
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:06.280
is that if they are, you
know, in fact theselfs so worried about

724
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:13.360
us and this planet, is that, why don't they sort of you know,

725
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:19.679
do something upon it, you know, but that means that seems to

726
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.960
be like their main concern. I
don't think they're that worried about us,

727
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:27.760
as you know, as you know, the human race. I think they're

728
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:35.239
actually more worried about what we're doing
in this planet. Another thing, sorry,

729
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:44.280
another story or sort of cone that
I thret is that apparently there are

730
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:54.039
sort of mmhm, some sort of
like a conflicting factions you know, around

731
01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:59.639
the planet as well. So I
don't know if you ever heard these stories,

732
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.400
but if apparently there are you know, sort of like a dog of

733
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:06.440
forces and and sort of you know, the good guys and the bad guys,

734
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.920
and there seems to be some sort
of overgoing conflict between you know,

735
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:16.199
those two forces. So those,
you know, those two things seem to

736
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:22.199
be the sort of the main main
topics that I've heard of. But like

737
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:28.239
I said, I've never seen any
bad or good guys, so I can't

738
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:32.559
really comment on that. Uh.
On this project, you have some other

739
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.400
musicians and some famous musicians kind of
joining you. Uh. Some of the

740
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:45.679
names I've seen are like British musicians
like Peter Cox and Nicka Kershaw and also

741
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:52.239
Sha Ka Khan mm hmm. Have
they are are they interested in this topic

742
01:03:52.440 --> 01:04:00.719
or the idea? Well, all
I can say is that, I mean,

743
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:05.000
Peter Cox is definitely a scie fi
that wanted to see that the film's

744
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:12.639
cript as well. That I wouldn't
know about the other guys if they're actually,

745
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:16.840
you know, big fans of sci
fi. But obviously they're well,

746
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:21.679
you know, they're familiar with the
story and and and and they find it

747
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:27.599
quite you know, interesting, and
obviously it's a bit different from the mainstream

748
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:32.360
you know music anyways. But yeah, so I wouldn't really know how how

749
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:36.519
much of the you know, how
much there are sort of into these type

750
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:43.440
of things when it comes to musicians
in general. I mean, it seems

751
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:50.519
like musicians have similar messages to the
extra threast rolls you're referring to, or

752
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:56.679
you know, are these people who
maybe or believe they're getting these messages from

753
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:06.519
from elsewhere? In your experience,
do you find that musicians are more interested

754
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:15.119
in the topics of of you know, these ideas of entering astral planes and

755
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:27.039
speaking with extraterrestrials and that sort of
thing. Uh, that's a difficult question.

756
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.000
I don't know how sort of m
hm, how common it is actually

757
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:38.639
as it is about you know,
just about friends and people that I work

758
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:45.039
with, they're they're you know,
they're definitely interested in that, you know,

759
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:49.519
aspect of things. But I've never
absolutely met anyone who sort of claims

760
01:05:49.559 --> 01:05:57.239
that they're you know, actually done
any sort of like asteral traveling or or

761
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:03.119
met met any extra terrisos. So, but there's definitely a fascination for that

762
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:09.480
type of thing. And when you
ask about the earlier you asked about sort

763
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:15.159
of influences. I mean, obviously
David Bowie is probably the was well known

764
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:23.480
person who's really but then again I
don't know the act it believes in those

765
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:27.599
things. But obviously he you know, wrote the song Starman and Starving the

766
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:33.199
Man with a Man who Fell to
Earth. I don't think he's actually every

767
01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:39.039
sort of common and on his sort
of own experiences. So I think there's

768
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.920
still a little bit of sort of
stigma around that. I don't think we

769
01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.480
want to come up and say,
yeah, I I've seen UFOs or I

770
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:50.960
believe in UFOs. I think there's
still a bit a bit timid to to

771
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:58.599
to come up and actually saying,
have are there any musicians that that you'd

772
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:02.800
be willing to share with us that
we may know that you've had conversations about

773
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:08.280
this topic with Yeah, I'm not, I'm not you know, sorry about

774
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.840
it. I mean obviously this the
whole project is, you know, sort

775
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.360
of build around that idea. So
I'm not, Yeah, I don't.

776
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:21.440
I'm not sort of hiding hiding that
fact, you know. But but yeah,

777
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:25.880
you have to be a bit sort
of careful, you know. You

778
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:29.239
cannot you know, just burst out
and say it. I think you sort

779
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:32.800
of have to, you know,
sort of feel feeling out first, you

780
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:35.719
know, just to see if they're
actually interesting in that type of thing.

781
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:41.039
And I think that goes to to
you know, everyone, I mean,

782
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:45.800
you cannot just you know, you
probably know what I mean. You have

783
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:51.920
to sort of you have to sort
of talk to people first and then to

784
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:57.239
see if they're actually sort of open
to that that type of you know,

785
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:03.239
conversation. Mm hmm. Yeah,
which is interesting, I guess for musicians.

786
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.920
I think a lot of us have
the idea that musicians can kind of

787
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:12.679
talk about any wild thing that they
want. And there are some musicians like

788
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:19.560
Sammy Hagar or Demi Lovado I think
even recently and Nick Jonas. They kind

789
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:25.720
of talk about Katie Perry talk a
lot about their interests in UFOs and ET's

790
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.359
and stuff like that. But it
sounds like that you were saying that kind

791
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:34.800
of like the rest of experience,
there still is kind of a stigma.

792
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:41.680
And would it be accurate then to
say that even as a musician or you

793
01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:46.920
kind of worry about your credibility or
maybe impacts on your career, if you

794
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:55.199
were, you know, outwardly kind
of just out about your et possibly et

795
01:08:55.399 --> 01:09:00.399
experiences or interests. Yeah, I
mean I would say so. So I

796
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:11.399
wasn't. I wasn't actually aware of
Katy Perry or or Johnson. Yeah,

797
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.399
do you remember what they sing?
Oh? Yeah. Nick Jonas just had

798
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:20.520
his story recently about his UFO sightings. Katie Perry has commented quite often about

799
01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:28.159
UFOs UH and her interests in them. There's a number of other artists.

800
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:33.000
Sammy Hagar has talked about his communication
with aliens, and he's never shied away

801
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:39.560
from talking about that. He's talked
about it quite a bit. In fact,

802
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:43.520
Jimmy Kimmel kind of had a had
him on I think last year,

803
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:51.039
and they did a little mock like
play about his experiences so yeah, well

804
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:59.399
that's great. I wasn't aware of
that. But obviously, so you were

805
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:03.920
saying that they're mocking semi hisavior.
Yeah, they had been. So he

806
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:11.439
does get some ridicule because of his
experiences. The great thing is that he

807
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:15.920
still doesn't shy away from talking about
them. But you're right, he does

808
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.279
get ridiculed a bit, and even
Jimmy Kimmel, he's a good sport about

809
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:26.960
it, but he participated in this
git that Kimmel did. Yeah. Yeah,

810
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:31.479
I think, you know, obviously
major stars, like you know,

811
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:35.840
I think it's great that he's actually
come around and said those things. But

812
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:41.600
well, like you said, you
know, there's always you know, the

813
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:45.359
other aspect of it that people stop, you know, mocking you. You

814
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:50.319
know. Mm hmmm. So your
project is more of a space opera,

815
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:59.000
kind of a fiction, uh,
musical project, and graphic novel, but

816
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:05.359
fiction graphic novel more about kind of
a science fiction sort of project. Yeah,

817
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:09.800
I mean, you know, like
I mentioned earlier, I mean I

818
01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:16.479
don't really have any sort of personal
experiences in that sense, but there's another

819
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:24.920
aspect to the story, which is
actually true. I have another project in

820
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:31.039
which I write music, which well, let's put this way, I can

821
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:36.640
actually write music in a sort of
trans state of mind, so I can

822
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:42.760
I can sort of go under this
sort of transtate. And some of that

823
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:47.880
music I've actually released in the past, and apparently I don't know why or

824
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:55.960
how, but it actually seems to
work to have some sort of like healing

825
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:01.640
colors. I know it sounds a
bit strong, but I've actually saw quite

826
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.760
a few of those albums and I've
had people commenting, you know, so

827
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:13.439
sending me feedback, and it's it's
quite amazing. But for some reason,

828
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:18.319
some of those songs, some of
that music actually works. And on this

829
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:24.199
album, on the Artifact album,
I'm actually gonna have a few of those

830
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:28.880
songs included. So it's kind of
like a meditative state. And where do

831
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.760
you think that where do you feel
that information is coming from? Well,

832
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:38.960
I mean, we're actually so quite
a few theories about that, and one

833
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:47.239
of the I actually believe in sort
of two of those theories that either could

834
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:57.520
be like some sort of a higher
higher power entity which would sort of filter

835
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:02.760
you with that type of music,
or the the other theory that I sort

836
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:11.039
of wonder about is whether it's actually
some sort of extra terrorist or things that

837
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:15.159
can can sort of create music through
us or in this case through me.

838
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:23.199
Mm hm. So I'm not exactly
sure you know which one it is,

839
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:27.479
but you know, when when I
actually do it, it's sort of it's

840
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:33.199
kind of strange because I'm not I'm
so half asleep in a way, and

841
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:38.319
then there's somebody sort of moving my
fingers with the story. It sounds really

842
01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:43.800
coopered, but that's exactly what happens. It's just somebody moving my fingers and

843
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:47.760
and sort of creating that music and
it's not me. And the reason why

844
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:54.079
I know it's not me because I
wouldn't actually write that type of music.

845
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:58.279
I don't know if I be sort
of capable of writing that type of music.

846
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:06.199
Disaster. Yeah, that's interesting,
really interesting. All right, Well,

847
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:09.960
thank you so much for taking the
time to be on the show.

848
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:14.600
Oh yes, thank you, thank
you for having me. All right,

849
01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:18.239
thank you so much to Tapio for
joining us. That was really nice of

850
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:20.960
him to come share the information.
And I don't think it was his a

851
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:27.640
alt he was misrepresenting himself. I
think marketing does what marketing does, and

852
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:33.159
sometimes marketing takes liberties when they try
to get people interviews and this such but

853
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.680
he was still interested in the topic
and I think that's interesting. But also,

854
01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:42.119
thank you so much to Martin for
coming on the show and talking to

855
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:47.399
me about the Travis Wanton event and
the UFO news. And he's a great

856
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:50.720
asset and I'm so happy to be
working with him. Of course, he

857
01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:57.840
does the UFO podcast or podcast UFO
that you can also find on iTunes and

858
01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.840
elsewhere, or at their website and
Facebook and everywhere else. So thank you

859
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.680
to a Martin. I wanted to
tell you a couple of other things.

860
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:12.960
First of all, the UFO Congress
is we're getting a lot of people interested,

861
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:18.399
which is great, so get your
tickets soon and we have I'll clue

862
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.600
you guys in. I think I
might have mentioned this somewhere before on the

863
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:26.319
show. I can't remember, but
it is looking like I think it's going

864
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:30.800
to be all confirm that, you
know. Martin talked about the RUA encounter,

865
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:35.560
one of these encounters where an entity
was seen, and this was in

866
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:42.680
South Africa RUA at the Aerial school
it was called, and a lot of

867
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:47.840
South African elementary school students saw a
craft land and this creature come out and

868
01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:53.680
they had some amazing messages it was
investigated by John Mack. If you go

869
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:59.199
online and look up John mac Aerial
School, John Mack South Africa, anything

870
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:03.319
like that, you're gonna some videos
of his interviews with these children. And

871
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:08.399
we're going to have one of these
children who is now a young adult.

872
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:13.039
She's I believe in her twenties,
like a mid of her twenties, and

873
01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:18.359
she is going to share some incredible
stuff. So she's going to share her

874
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:26.079
experience. Actually, we talked to
her Emily Trim when I had Luigi vind

875
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:30.000
Tlli on the show. Emily was
on the show for a little bit as

876
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.640
well, and she spoke a little
about her artwork and stuff. And so

877
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:35.600
she's going to come to the Congress. And this is the first time as

878
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:40.840
far as I know, that one
of these witnesses has come and spoken to

879
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.000
a UFO conference. Now, she
did do a little talk kind of like

880
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:50.600
this in a conference in Canada.
It's a smaller conference, but this will

881
01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:54.560
she'll be at the UFO Congress,
so at least it's the first time in

882
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:57.640
the US. So this is going
to be a lot of fun. I'm

883
01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:02.520
so excited because she's got the amazing
artwork, this great artwork that she feels

884
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:06.920
is kind of inspired by her encounters, and some of these messages kind of

885
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:10.960
come through, kind of like what
Tapia was talking about, you know,

886
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:14.680
these sort of messages on how we
need to take care of our planet better

887
01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:18.640
or else we're done for. And
I think you don't need aliens to tell

888
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:25.920
you that, but it's interesting that
they should be receiving these messages. I

889
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:30.520
think, I guess just reiterated from
possibly elsewhere. I mean, the Reui

890
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:35.760
encounter is an amazing case, so
I am so happy for that. Otherwise,

891
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:41.239
that I think is going to be
an amazing announcement once we announce it,

892
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:46.199
you guys have a little bit of
a early you know, in for

893
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:51.520
a heads up on her being there. But we have another announcement that's going

894
01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:58.079
to be coming this week that for
me, is a really really big deal

895
01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:05.039
and it it's essentially one of the
most esteemed and important researchers in this field

896
01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:11.960
who never speaks at this sort of
stuff. It's been decades, and he

897
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:16.520
will be speaking at the UFO Congress
this year. It's going to be a

898
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:24.800
really big deal. It's one that
many eufologist researchers. It's someone they've all

899
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:28.880
wanted to meet for a long time
myself as well, and you just can't

900
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:34.760
because he just doesn't do these conferences
and it's hard to get access because he's

901
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:39.520
just a very important busy fellas.
So we'll be talking to him soon,

902
01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:43.119
so that's gonna be or we'll have
him at the conference and that announcement will

903
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:45.399
come soon. So if you're not
on our email list, you should get

904
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.399
on our email list. Go to
our homepage. In the upper right hand

905
01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:53.119
corner you'll see where you can enter
your email address to join the list.

906
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:57.880
You can also just email us at
contact at Openminds dot tv. And our

907
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:03.479
you know, biweekly newsletters do have
information about everything we do so including the

908
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:10.960
UFO Congress and latest Open Minded news, the UFO Report, and the radio

909
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:14.880
show here, so be sure to
join our email list to keep up on

910
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:19.520
that. We'll be announcing this speaker
via email soon but also all of our

911
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.399
social media outlets and I'll tell you
about it hopefully next week because I think

912
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:28.920
we'll have that confirmed. This is
really exciting, It is some really cool

913
01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:32.239
stuff, So come join us at
the UFO Congress. Remember that's February seventeenth

914
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:39.439
to the twenty first lots of exciting
stuff going on there. Otherwise, thank

915
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.920
you to Caleb Hanks who does the
opening and close music. Of course,

916
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.039
again thank you to Martin Willis.
Thank you so much for to tap YOUO

917
01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:50.199
for joining us, and be sure
to check out his music. I hope

918
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:56.159
you like it and it is at
least inspired by you know, positive messages.

919
01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:00.760
And even though it doesn't seem to
be be as I was told about

920
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:05.199
educating humanity on Extra treast Rolls,
according to him, it does seem to

921
01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:11.439
be about you know, positive messages
being sent for us, and that's always

922
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.680
a good thing. And he sounded
like a really positive, great guy.

923
01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:18.359
So thank you so much, Tapio
for joining us. Otherwise, audio's mood

924
01:20:18.479 --> 01:21:15.520
judges your emotionless sound. The glass
trees of Hurrying