WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:11.480 Joining us now is Davis Yance, And I was just asking him his website 2 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:17.280 at his Yance law dot com. That's yo u nts yants law dot com. 3 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:20.839 And we got so many things that have happened legally that I would like 4 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.000 to talk to him about. He contacted me, said he'd like to talk 5 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:29.039 about Trump's indictment and the GOP debate. But of course there's been a lot 6 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:32.240 of things that have happened, mister Johns since we last talked about the military 7 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.799 mandates. What is the current status as far as you know on that. 8 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:42.640 Have they made anybody hole on this? We just had some whistleblowers talking about 9 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:47.920 the d MED database and how many conditions have escalated. Even after they went 10 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:49.840 back and said, oh, well, you know, you're comparing this to 11 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.520 the previous five years. Oh the previous five years are all wrong. Even 12 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.640 if they went back and manipulate the data, is still a huge increase. 13 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.240 What is happening in terms of the military in this vaccine. Yeah, so 14 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:06.560 unfortunately, not a lot has changed when we look at trying to make military 15 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:11.400 members whole as well as trying to get really solid military members back into the 16 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.879 service. So you still have more than twelve thousand military members that were kicked 17 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.920 out. They were alleged to have committed misconduct because they had a religious accommodation 18 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.280 that was unlawfully denied. Those individuals are still out there, still struggling with 19 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.519 negative service connotation on their d D two fourteen. And unfortunately, you know 20 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.599 the decimation that happened. Remember at one point there were two hundred and sixty 21 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:40.840 four thousand members of the military that were not fully vaccinated, many many of 22 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:42.840 those, and no one has accurate data on it, and there's reasons why 23 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:49.079 they don't, I'm sure, but many, many thousands simply left the military 24 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:52.560 that either retired, retired early, didn't reenlist, or otherwise. So those 25 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:56.480 folks are still out there. So a lot of the work I'm doing now 26 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.760 is going to be based on trying to restore rights to military members who were 27 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:05.040 persecuted for their religious faith, try to make them whole, as well as 28 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:09.439 try to get others back into military service they're either kicked out or sidelined in 29 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:14.319 some other way. And unfortunately, what we're hearing right now, what I've 30 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.719 been hearing over the last couple of days, is that the mandate may be 31 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:23.199 coming back there's a lot of chatter about a new vaccine for the new COVID 32 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:29.599 variant that's out there, and the military whistleblowers that I work with, some 33 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:31.879 of my clients are telling me there's a lot of chatter from commanders from the 34 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:37.240 Pentagon talking about what it would look like to bring a new mandate back. 35 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:39.479 Yeah, we just had Biden say, yeah, we're gonna have a new 36 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:46.520 vaccine and this one's gonna work. That's right. So yeah, this is 37 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:50.520 gonna try. They're gonna try, and of course they can force the people. 38 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:53.000 Yeah, and the military they can try to force the people that Jason 39 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.719 Barker is a listener who was in the military at the time, and he 40 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.479 wrote a great letter that we had on a website for quite some time outlining 41 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.319 his religious objections to it. A lot of people use that that we're in 42 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.800 the military, but even people who were nurses and other things who were there 43 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:15.479 were having that dictated by their employer. He hung in until he got up 44 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.039 to his twenty years. He was getting pretty close to it. He's one 45 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:23.919 of those people who left as he got to that point, and he's now 46 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.919 a commentator with Knights of the Storm. So he's out there doing still doing 47 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.840 good work telling people about this stuff. But yeah, they've pushed so many 48 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:35.879 people out. And as you pointed out last time, we were talking people 49 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:39.919 who managed to remain in now that they've kind of paused this mandate, if 50 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:44.639 you're still there, they're saying, well, you can't do this and you 51 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:47.520 can't do that, and that's going to essentially drive them out of their career 52 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:52.080 if they're blocked from being able to do certain things that they have to do 53 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.560 in order to get a promotion. Right, that's absolutely right. So the 54 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:00.800 impact is still is still existed, still there, it's still am and again, 55 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:05.919 nothing Congress has done so far prevents the DoD from issuing a new mandate. 56 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.639 So if we look at the leadership in the wide house, we look 57 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:15.599 at the mentality of senior or military leadership, we're looking at a real issue 58 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.800 now. I think there's also a possibility of a budget fight, right, 59 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:23.680 So if Congress does engage in a budget fight and starts talking about funding for 60 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:27.959 the military and those things, it's possible they will hold off until some sort 61 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.199 of a budget agreement is reached. But I am concerned we're going to see 62 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:34.519 increasing chatter in September, and then if there's some sort of a budget deal 63 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:39.199 that happens. I fear if there's going to be a new mandate, it 64 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:43.000 will follow shortly on the heels of that. And since we've established with warp 65 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:46.079 Speed that they don't have to test any vaccines or anything I've done anymore in 66 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.040 this quote unquote new vaccine that could appear any day now as well, I 67 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:53.240 don't have to do any testing whatsoever. We've established that as a president. 68 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.319 That's going to stick with us. It's sorry, sticking with one type of 69 00:04:56.319 --> 00:05:01.079 medication after the other, isn't absolutely right. Remember still to this day, 70 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:08.199 ay, they're not they're not manufacturing the FDA approved version of these vaccines for 71 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:12.680 COVID. They're still not manufacturing the FDA approved version, which is still an 72 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.600 unresolved legal issue. When we talk about the military and others, so tons 73 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.360 of issues, and unfortunately they're going to continue for our military members as well 74 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:24.319 as anyone else, particularly those that work for uh, you know, liberal 75 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:29.160 state governments or the federal government. And you're talking about the label specifically, 76 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.199 right, the Cormonati issue. Is that correct? That's absolutely right, absolutely 77 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:35.240 right, which which the FDA said Look, these products are identical, but 78 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:39.680 they're legally distinct. While if they're legally distinct and you haven't approved the one 79 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.560 that's available in the United States, and how can you legally try to require 80 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.560 people to have this? That's that's the fundamental issue. It's just this kind 81 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.720 of double talk that we see happening all the time with all of these issues. 82 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:53.120 That's that's what the government has become, isn't it. That's right? 83 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:57.399 Yeah, a lot more. Yeah, or become more about political will than 84 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.439 the rule of law. Unfortunately, that's right. That's right. Well, 85 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.759 when we talk about political will versus the rule of law, you wanted to 86 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:10.519 talk about the indictments happening in Georgia. That is truly amazing. I think 87 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.920 that they many people have talked about how this is criminalized free speech and the 88 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.240 practice of law. What's your opinion of that. Yeah, I think that's 89 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.480 the biggest concern I have as we try to look at this indictment. Right, 90 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:26.439 So, Georgia's using sort of a very robust RICO statute, the Racketeer 91 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.120 Influence Corrupt Organizations Act. This is something used to go after the mafia. 92 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:36.120 And why the reason that it's attractive to prosecutors is you can essentially group people 93 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.839 together, say twenty people, nineteen people are part of a conspiracy, and 94 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.360 then try to hold each individual member responsible for all of the actions of everyone 95 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.240 else in the conspiracy. Right, So this is this is what we use 96 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.879 to take down to the mob. It's important to understand that you don't have 97 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:57.360 to get someone for murder. You just have to say that a murder happened 98 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.959 and it was part of the organization. Well, now it's interesting about what's 99 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.879 happening in Georgia is they're bringing all of these other individuals in and they're arguing 100 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:11.959 that things that were done after the election that dealt with trying to investigate and 101 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:15.759 try to understand whether or not there was election fraud, where election interference, 102 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:21.240 and that's being charged as a conspiracy. Yeah, so imagine, I mean 103 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:29.600 things like phone calls, things like phone calls to individuals, individuals responsible for 104 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:33.160 ensuring a free and fair election and saying, hey, we're hearing concerns, 105 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:38.160 we're hearing problems with drop boxes. We're hearing things like people are coming in 106 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.879 the middle of the night and putting hundreds of ballots in a drop box. 107 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.800 Can we look into that are you seeing these same concerns. Is there anything 108 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.920 we can do to try to understand what happened? Right? So, I 109 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:53.839 haven't seen anything yet. And I'm a former federal prosecutor, I'm a former 110 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.560 defense counsel. I still practice criminal law. I haven't seen anything that goes 111 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:03.079 to this idea. What we are going to do is change the outcome of 112 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.480 the election. Our intent is to change the outcome of the election. You 113 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.160 don't see that. What you see is we don't agree with the outcome. 114 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.560 We have concerns about the outcome. We think there may have been fraud. 115 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:18.839 But the narrative that you hear in all of the media continues to be there 116 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.240 was no fraud, it was a fair election, right. But I mean, 117 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.160 look at twenty sixteen, the same media was saying there was Russian interference. 118 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.920 It wasn't a federal election. You can see multiple times where former presidential 119 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.240 candidates like Hillary Clinton said, hey, the election was stolen, right, 120 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.879 unproven interference there. So, again, my big concern about what's happening in 121 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:43.919 Georgia is you are using a county that is very, very leans, heavily 122 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.080 Democrat, right, seventy seventy five percent of the voters in that county are 123 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:52.759 registered Democrats. You're using elected official a DA to bring a conspiracy charge against 124 00:08:52.799 --> 00:09:00.600 individuals who were at worst trying to determine whether or not there was fraud, 125 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.720 and based on their belief that there was fraud in the election, figure out 126 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:11.080 legal means, legal means with which to challenge the election and the outcome of 127 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:16.519 the election. Very very dangerous precedent. Now there may be things that we're 128 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:20.600 done that we're illegal, but it's very very dangerous precedent to do that because 129 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:24.440 now you're creating a scenario where, I mean, frankly, if we take 130 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:26.440 if we take morality out of it, we take ethics out of it, 131 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.639 or anything else, you're creating more and more incentive for politicians to cheat in 132 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.240 elections because if you lose, you're going to be criminally prosecuted. I mean, 133 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.679 is that really what we want going forward? Again, those are some 134 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.600 of the things that I have concerns about when we look at these cases. 135 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:46.840 Yeah. I covered an op ed pieces on Brownstone from a lawyer and he 136 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.639 was essentially saying the same thing. He said, you know when I've been 137 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.720 amazed, he said, to see how mainstream media would just let Julian Ossane 138 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.600 twist in the wind for doing investigative journalism and wouldn't do anything about that. 139 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:58.960 Do they realize that that's not going to come back to them? And goes 140 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.320 and now when I look at what is happening here, he says, you 141 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.919 don't have to agree with what they were saying. He says, I've looked 142 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.919 at the legal briefs and I thought they were garbage. But he says they 143 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.519 were still investigating this thing. If you're going to criminalize the practice of law, 144 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.159 and he says, most lawyers are being silent about this, just like 145 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.639 most of the journalists are being silent about Julian Assand if you're going to criminalize 146 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.879 the practice of law and investigation around these cases and stuff like that, he 147 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:28.039 says that that's an amazing precedent that's being set. And you know, the 148 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.120 mainstream media and the mainstream of the legal profession are not worried about these types 149 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.679 of things. This really is the ground shifting under our feet, isn't it. 150 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.000 It is in One of the concerns I have is, you know what 151 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:46.960 attorney is going to want to go and work for President Trump in a future 152 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.840 White House, or is going to want to work with him when most of 153 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.960 the attorneys that worked with him, it seems more and more are getting criminally 154 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.320 charged. Yeah. Right, So, I mean that's a very that's a 155 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.000 very scary thing. When we think about the practice of law. We want 156 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.039 attorneys. We want a society where attorneys will represent individuals and advocate for a 157 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:11.039 fair trial for anyone regardless of their political affiliation, regardless of what they're alleged 158 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.600 with doing or their background. Everyone deserves a fair trial. But if we 159 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.919 continue a process where we've decided we don't like President Trump, we're going to 160 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.440 go after him by any means, and included in that is going to be 161 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:28.799 coming after these attorneys. And here's me just imagine this. These attorneys, 162 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:35.159 these attorneys that we're just involved in exploring and trying to figure out can we 163 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.240 file litigation, Is there's something we can do within the legal process to challenge 164 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.639 this election. Those attorneys are now being criminally charged. They're facing half a 165 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.519 million dollars in legal fees just to defend themselves in a case like this. 166 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.639 And quite frankly, I'm also hearing there are attorneys that are afraid to represent 167 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.279 them. Yeah, there are attorneys that are saying, I'm risking my license, 168 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.480 my entire legal career in order to defend you. So it's going to 169 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.480 be you know, a half a million dollars or a million dollars bill because 170 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:07.840 I'm risking everything. I'm risking my ability to make a living by doing this, 171 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.039 you know, And and that bothers me, much like it bothered me 172 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.639 doctors that are losing their license because they recommended alternative treatments for COVID, or 173 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.720 they they approved religious accommodations or recommended medical exemptions. So I just again, 174 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.679 I think those are the big picture concerns we have to recognize and deal with 175 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.039 ortion like you know, journalism for example, you know how I get kicked 176 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.320 off all these ti I've had PayPal banned me and so forth because they don't 177 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.840 like what I talk about. And so you know, this is happening everywhere 178 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.000 in our society. You know, this is this is taking it to a 179 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.120 new level in terms of coming after the lawyers, and we should all be 180 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:52.240 very concerned about that. But this is just in general, the new totalitarian 181 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.039 rules that they're imposing on everybody. Everybody feels the lash when it comes to 182 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:00.720 social media to one degree the other, don't they No, they absolutely do. 183 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.159 And I think, you know, we have to we have to be 184 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.480 wise, we have to be careful in how we evaluate this. And the 185 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.399 last thing I'll say about these criminal cases is this, you know, there 186 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.720 there's a subtle shift that's happened over I would say over the last hundred years 187 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.799 and our legal system. Most people outside the legal system wouldn't reck iognize that 188 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.559 it happened, but it's really important because there's a concept called jury nullification. 189 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.960 So the concept called jury nullification was part of our system. It was part 190 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:33.120 of our system when our nation was found that it was understood as critical. 191 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.080 And jury nullification is this idea that when we take a criminal case and we 192 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.159 put it in the hands of a jury, those twelve citizens can make a 193 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.080 decision that say, we know that the law was violated technically here, but 194 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.039 the right outcome is to find this individual not guilty and move on the government's 195 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.039 wrong to persecute this person for this violation of the law. This concept of 196 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.679 jury nullification that has fallen completely out of favor. Many states have laws on 197 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.000 the books that you can't even argue for jury nullification as an attorney that you 198 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:05.320 can't stand up and say this is not the right thing to do in this 199 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.679 case. I believe there's only one New England state that even has jury nullification 200 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.000 as a possibility on it. Now. Now, why I bring that up 201 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.879 is just something to pay attention to and think about. Ultimately, the jury 202 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.080 is supposed to be supposed to be something critical on our system. Thomas Jefferson 203 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.840 said the jury was the only anchor yet imagined by the mind of man through 204 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:33.000 which a government could be held to the principles of its constitution. That's right, 205 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.799 I mean think about that. So you know, I pray, especially 206 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.600 given what I do, but even for any case. I pray for juries 207 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.320 for citizens who are are wise, who are discerning, who are clear minded, 208 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.879 and are willing to push back against totalitarianism and tyranny from the government. 209 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.960 But I do think that concept of jury nullification is something we need to figure 210 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.720 out how to bring back, whether it's through legislation or otherwise. It needs 211 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.720 to be a part of our system because in some cases, and I have 212 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.440 tried cases were we have won my clients have been acquitted because of jury nullification 213 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.799 and we weren't allowed to argue it. As you have the authority to do 214 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.039 this under the law. But we were allowed to argue the right thing, 215 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.919 the fair thing, the just thing is to acquit in this case. So 216 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.600 that's just an important principle we've lost sight of in the law. It needs 217 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.200 to come back. Yeah, So that's how I got hired at info WARS. 218 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.600 I was during reports about Fully Informed Jury Association and some people who are 219 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:31.120 standing up for it, and they if you just hand out general literature about 220 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.919 jury nullification downtown in front of the courthouse, not about any particular case or 221 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:37.480 anything, they would come after them and try to get them in jail for 222 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.559 jury tampering. That's how serious it was in terms of challenge. But it 223 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:46.799 has always been a very important part your Trial by Jury had Gilbert and Sullivan 224 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.720 writing an opera about trial by jury because it was understood to be such a 225 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:56.039 bedrock of a society that was going to have a rule of law and individual 226 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.960 liberty. And it goes back to William Penn's trial. I'm talked about that 227 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.759 many times, establishing jury nullification as well as habeas corpus, and so this 228 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.240 is something that's always been there. But the way that they get around this 229 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.279 is in many cases you have the judge just lie to the jury and say 230 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.440 you're not here to judge the law or the punishment. You're here to just 231 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.399 judge the facts of the case. And nothing could be further from the truth. 232 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.799 I had one person that I interviewed out of New Jersey and he called 233 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:29.519 himself New Jersey weedman. He had Rastafarian dreadlocks and stuff, and he smoked 234 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.720 pot a lot, and he got they arrested him. He had quite a 235 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.480 bit of marijuana for his own personal use, and if you talk to him, 236 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.080 you'd realize that it really was for his own personal use. But he 237 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.759 actually lit up when I was doing an interview with him over zoom. But 238 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:48.720 he looked at it and he said, I couldn't get a lawyer to argue 239 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.360 this case. But I knew it was in the New Jersey Constitution, so 240 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.279 I printed up that part of the constitution, and when I was representing myself, 241 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.639 he said, I knew that the majority of people did not support criminalization 242 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.240 of marijuana in New Jersey, so I thought I could get off with jury 243 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.079 nullification. So he puts up the sign and the judge immediately says, take 244 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.920 that down. I'm gonna hold you in contempt, throw you in jail, 245 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.640 he said. But the problem is that the jury had already seen it that 246 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:18.119 it was in the New Jersey Constitution, and so they voted seven to five 247 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.039 to acquit him, but with a hung jury, so that the DA came 248 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.119 back after him again. And the next trial he had a different judge and 249 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.680 he did the same thing, and that judge allowed him to put that up, 250 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.359 you know, that showed the New Jersey Constitution, and that time they 251 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:38.680 acquitted him twelve to nothing. But we don't usually have jury trials anymore because 252 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.519 they play this game. And this is another thing we've seen in these charges 253 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:48.200 against Trump. They come in with so many trumped up charges that they try 254 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.039 to get you to plea bargain out of it. That's the other issue. 255 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:55.400 It seems to me like that's the really big issue, Davis. How do 256 00:17:55.440 --> 00:18:00.880 we break this cycle of people who a don't believe that they're fellow citizens, 257 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.200 are really going to take a stand and are really going to judge the law 258 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.960 or whatever, and the fact that they're so overcharged with the stuff because the 259 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.400 game is they add all these additional charges and then say, well, we'll 260 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.799 drop the additional charges if you plead guilty to what we really wanted to get 261 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:15.720 you for in the first place. They don't present it that way. But 262 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.599 that's essentially what's happening. How do we break that cycle? You know, 263 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.519 it's it's a really it's a hard challenge to break that cycle. But the 264 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:29.119 reality is, just look at federal courts. Ninety eight percent of federal cases 265 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.920 results in a plea agreement. Ninety eight percent. Right, And you know, 266 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.240 there's this joke. We hear it all the time. It's become a 267 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.400 trope. But it's scary to me how much of a trope it has become 268 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:42.920 that we all violate. We all commit violations of federal law unknowingly every day, 269 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:47.079 right, each citizen does that. There's something too that. So what 270 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.559 happens is, especially with the way the federal guidelines work, and sentencing is 271 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:52.880 all in the hands of the judge, not in the hands of the jury. 272 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.440 So the federal judges appointed federal judges are in charge sentencing, and the 273 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:02.160 issue is the way the guidelines work. You know, many individuals face you 274 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:07.440 know, dozens and dozens, sometimes hundreds of years in prison over the allegations. 275 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.200 So they're sitting there going, Okay, I'm looking at, you know, 276 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.920 twenty five thirty fifty two hundred thousand dollars worth of legal fees number one 277 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.880 and number two. I'm looking at the possibility if this goes poorly, of 278 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.279 doing decades in prison, or I can take a deal. I can do 279 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:26.640 two years of probation, I can save a lot of money on attorney's fees, 280 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.960 and I can try and move past this. But there's no thought to 281 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:36.640 the coercive nature of these charging decisions. So you know, one answer is 282 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:41.119 to take a hard look at how we pick, how we select, and 283 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.240 how we use United States attorneys. That's on the federal level. On the 284 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.279 state level, I would encourage people to be very very cautious if you, 285 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.000 if you have the ability to vote in an election for a district attorney in 286 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:59.119 your county at the state local level, take that very very seriously, look 287 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.279 hard at those p people and try to find other people that are willing to 288 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.839 run for that office at that local level that have some control and discretion and 289 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.640 can do the right things. Because these these das and these US attorneys do 290 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.519 have a great deal of discretion and charging and that would be a great step. 291 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:21.160 So there are political solutions to it. Unfortunately, we've just we've created 292 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:25.240 a system where there are so many people going through the process they can't properly, 293 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:27.319 they can't properly give everyone a jury trial. The system breaks down. 294 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:32.640 Yeah, and so this system is built on on plea bargain. And you 295 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:37.079 know it was I remember in the transition period before Trump, but after he 296 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.640 got elected in twenty sixteen, before he sworn in twenty seventeen, Obama and 297 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.119 Eric holder are talked about how they were going to focus on district attorney races 298 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:51.240 and on state attorneys in general, and they had a lot of money from 299 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:52.960 sorrows, as we've seen. And so we've seen that type of thing being 300 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:56.240 done in all these different places. With Trump, we see it being put 301 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.240 into practice. And I'm I don't support Trump since he did what he did 302 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:04.359 in twenty twenty with lockdowns and the vaccines, but I think it's an outrage 303 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:07.519 what is happening. This weaponization, as you're pointing out, is setting up 304 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.440 some very very dangerous precedents for so many different things. And people can see 305 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.960 what the strategy of district attorneys and state attorneys generals. They can see how 306 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.000 dangerous that is, and why that was so important to radical leftists like Obama, 307 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:29.039 Eric Holder and George Soros to spend lavishly on these races to put people 308 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:33.559 on I mean, it's spending millions of dollars on local district attorney races. 309 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.000 So that tells you how important it is to them and that they're going to 310 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:38.599 use this for something. So what you said is absolutely true. We have 311 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.400 to look at the shaff very carefully. We have to look at the local 312 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.240 district attorney, We have to look at the state attorney general. Those are 313 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.119 races that I think, in many ways are far more important than even the 314 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.160 president, because the president is so insular from all these different concerns, and 315 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.200 it really is the people who are closest to you that are going to have 316 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:59.240 the biggest effect on you. They can make things better or they can make 317 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:04.200 things much more. First, then whoever's in Washington, can't they That's absolutely 318 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:08.000 right, And whether or not you support, you know, President Trump running 319 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.440 again, you have to look at the reality of the plan that was put 320 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.000 in place with these prosecutors, with these das, with these elections, the 321 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.960 importance of these US attorneys, you know, and now you have situations where 322 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:25.400 you know, the federal judge that the DDC case, that judge has set 323 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:30.400 the trial date for March fourth, that's the day before Super Tuesday. The 324 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.960 DA in Georgia wants to set the trial for the same date, the day 325 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.440 before Super Tuesday. So so again, you know, we should all just 326 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:42.000 take pause, whether whether we are a Trump apologist or not. And I'm 327 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:45.799 with you. I have grave concerns about how COVID was handled and what happened 328 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:51.400 there. But the reality is this is partiality. This is using using the 329 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:55.319 criminal justice system to political advantage. And when you start looking at trial dates, 330 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:56.920 you just have to roll your eyes and goes, wow, this this 331 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:02.039 feels a lot like election interference, doesn't it. They're doing that in our 332 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.400 face, and they're doing it deliberately, and they're trying to escalate things into 333 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:07.079 a civil war. And the thing that concerns me, I didn't get to 334 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.000 the clips today to play them, but you know, we've got people now 335 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.640 openly talking about civil war and assassination Trump. Tucker are talking about the assassination 336 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.599 of Trump. You got John Voight, the actor, is saying this is 337 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.000 a civil war, and everybody Trump is becoming the Mason Dixon line. He 338 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.799 pushes this stuff, and because he makes money from this stuff, and so 339 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:32.680 you know, he's taking the indictments to the bank and his poll numbers are 340 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.200 going up. But the other people are doing the types of things like you 341 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:37.319 talked about the fact they're going to put the trial date the day before Super 342 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.400 Tuesday and all the rest of this stuff, and it really is polarizing the 343 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.440 country into a civil war. I think that is a very very dangerous thing, 344 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.240 and it looks like both sides want that to happen. It seems like 345 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:53.119 to me, I mean again, we have to go there. We have 346 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.440 to be wise, we have to be discerning him, we have to have 347 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.839 those concerns, and then we have to look at things like what will Congress 348 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.359 do. Congress, the Republicans in Congress can vote to defund the DOJ, 349 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.559 right, they can restrict the powers of the first So there are political things 350 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:12.240 that can be done. But if they're not done and we're not seeking political 351 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:17.759 solutions, then then the divide gets greater, the differences get greater, and 352 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:22.559 we reach into some very very dangerous times. I pray that's not the direction 353 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.640 this goes. But but if political solutions aren't being sought. I agree with 354 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.039 you. I have the same kind of concerns. Yeah, you know when 355 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.119 we look at this too. As soon as I saw the Rico Statutes, 356 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.519 and I saw Rudy there and he actually talked about this and his statements, 357 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.480 the fact that he had used Rico so extensively as a prosecutor before he became 358 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:47.880 mayor in New York. And you know, when you look at the Rico 359 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.559 statutes themselves, I've always had a big problem with the way they were organized. 360 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:57.160 And it really was kind of an evolutionary path and a civil asset forfeiture, 361 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:03.240 because the whole point of big part of the Rico Statute, besides making 362 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.279 the prosecutor's job easier to come after organized crime, it was also to take 363 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.880 away the money so they wouldn't have the money to hire the best lawyers and 364 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.720 defend themselves and get off on technicalities and things like that. And so that 365 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.759 gradually evolved over a period of time with people like Rudy and ironically with people 366 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.799 like Joe Biden, and to civilized set forfiture where they come and they confiscate 367 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.559 property from people and ever even charge you with a crime, let alone find 368 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:33.640 you guilty, and so I thought it was kind of ironic that Rudy is 369 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.240 getting charged with Rico statutes. What do you think about the Rico statutes in 370 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.640 general? Yeah, I have grave concerns with them. You know, I'm 371 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.759 a big believer in looking to the Bible as a foundation for how we approach 372 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:52.599 our legal system, and one of the concerns I have with Rico statutes is 373 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:59.200 just fundamentally it was designed to make get prosecutions and getting convictions easier. That 374 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.279 troubles me, just notionally, whether it's my time as a prosecutor or as 375 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.680 a defense attorney, anytime we're changing the law to try to get more convictions 376 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.279 or make prosecution easier, I'm troubled by that because that's not supposed to be 377 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:17.720 the point of our legal system. Our legal system is supposed to be designed 378 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:22.119 to punish the evil and protect the innocent. It's not about numbers prosecutions or 379 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.240 anything else. So Rico statutes have a troubled history. You know, they 380 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.319 were used with some effect against the mob, and you could see how you 381 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.799 could bring down an organization by doing that. At the same time, whenever 382 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.319 you have a conspiracy like that, whenever you have a Rico statute. The 383 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:41.119 problem is, you know, I represent individuals sometimes I do court appointed work 384 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.880 in the federal system. So you'll have a very low level drug dealer, 385 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.920 right, So not the greatest human being in the world, I understand that, 386 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.079 but very very low level, minimally involved. But because they're charged under 387 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.799 a conspiracy or under a Rico type statute, all of a sudden, they're 388 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:02.440 responsible for millions of dollars worth of drug trafficking over an entire region, when 389 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.480 all they were was a bagman or something else on a very low level, 390 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.720 right, a user that sold a little bit, and they're responsible for anything 391 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.960 else. So one of the things that bothers me about it is it does 392 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:18.920 lead off into what I would consider unfair outcomes and really escalates the criminal liability 393 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:25.559 for individuals who are just bit players and something or even just didn't fully understand 394 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.519 the scope of what they were getting involved with when they did. Yeah, 395 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.839 yeah, this whole civil asset forfeiture thing. And I talked about a case 396 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:36.279 that's getting some publicity now. It's several years old, about six years old 397 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.400 up in Muskogee, Oklahoma, and just you know, pulling a guy over 398 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.799 going through his car, you know, he's got a tail light out or 399 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.319 something like that, and just finding cash and taking all the cash, and 400 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.960 it was cash that they've been doing as a Christian band, concerts they were 401 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:56.319 doing for people, and so it was their pay as well as donations that 402 00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.039 they had picked up cash, donations for an orphanage and all the rest of 403 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:03.640 stuff. But this has become kind of standard operating procedure and the police have 404 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.440 been corrupted by this heavily because they get to participate in the booty. But 405 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.640 it's you know, just taking the stuff, never even charging the person, 406 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.359 but charging the object, the inanimate object. You know, they make a 407 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.599 it's like, you know, the government versus this car, serial number this, 408 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.400 or a jet or a house or a stack of cash or whatever. 409 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.119 They don't even bother to charge a person, let alone find them guilty. 410 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.319 That's the thing that I see just so amazing to me. And you know, 411 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.200 it's kind of another one, you know, with Trump when he said 412 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.240 about the red flag laws, you just take the gun and do the due 413 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.920 process later, due process later. I said, well, that's not due 414 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.759 process if you don't do it when it's due. Right, it's got to 415 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.680 be done beforehand. And but this is a really dangerous thing that's happening, 416 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.759 and it's been happening to ordinary people for a very long time. I was 417 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:52.480 talking about civil asset forfeiture back in the nineties, and yet now you know 418 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.960 that it is getting gotten to the point where they're coming after their political opponents 419 00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:02.079 using this type of tactic rico and civil asset forfeiture. That's still really being 420 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.839 talked about by either the left or the right press. They're still not talking 421 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:11.759 about these injustices. It's still strictly about Trump versus Biden. They're not looking 422 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.640 at the overarching issues and the precedents that are being set here. I'm afraid. 423 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:19.680 Yeah, I agree with you. I think that's a grave concern, 424 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.000 and that's why we have to we have to stay engaged, we have to 425 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:27.039 stay alert. That's why I appreciate the work that you do in trying to 426 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:32.400 help people understand and educate people, because we have to pay attention to these 427 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.359 things, and we need to remember the law should be the law. It 428 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:40.079 shouldn't matter. There shouldn't be partiality, there shouldn't be concerns. Justice is 429 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:44.160 supposed to be blind for a reason. That's what we should fight for we 430 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.400 should live in a society, in a system where it doesn't matter who is 431 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.000 on trial or where in the nation there are. We should be able to 432 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.960 count on our fellow citizens to do the right thing. We should be able 433 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.000 to count on district attorneys. Now we live in a fallen world. That's 434 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.920 never going to happen. But if we go back to and we understand why 435 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.839 we had things like jury nullification, yeah, that's that's a critically important thing. 436 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:10.359 Why we why we gave Congress, Why the founders gave Congress the power 437 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.319 of the purse. They don't exercise it anymore because everybody feeds into the system. 438 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.079 But there is so much power that comes from the ability of Congress to 439 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.519 work on funding. I mean, look at look at simple things like what 440 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:26.480 Senator Tubberville is doing in Alabama. I know very little about Senator Tuberville. 441 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.680 I wasn't necessarily optimistic about him as a senator, but he has done so 442 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:36.559 much to protect the military from woke ideology as well as to push back against 443 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:41.400 the abortion policy. By simply saying I'm going to object to unanimous consent to 444 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.559 these military nominees. We can either go and have a full hearing and have 445 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.000 a floor vote, or I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my block in pit place 446 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.640 and I'm going to object to this unless you change your illegal policy on funding 447 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.599 abortions, and unless you give us an opportunity to understand who it is are 448 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:03.359 these communists are not that you're appointing to senior senior military positions. That's a 449 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.519 really good existence just over country and mind or not, that's right. It's 450 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.119 a really good example of what one person can do. If they're committed to 451 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.759 this. You can really be a fly in the ointment and there's things that 452 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.440 you can do to stop that instead of just rubber stamping everything that's going along, 453 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.039 and that's typically what we have seen with Congress. You know. The 454 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.799 other part of it is let's just kick it over to the bureaucracy and let 455 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:27.880 them have the hot potato, and then if they get really wrong, we 456 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.480 can come in like where the saviors and you know, on a white horse, 457 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:36.279 and we can fix this thing and blame it all on the bureaucracy which 458 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.880 never has to answer to the public at all. So we have this system 459 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:44.720 of taxation without representation, now regulation without representations. Well from these people, 460 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:49.000 I'm so glad that you talked about fully informed jury association and that is not 461 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.880 the association, but an informed jury. That is a key thing, I 462 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:59.039 think, and it is something that is so vital that we have lost and 463 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.880 just to stay again, everybody needs to understand that if you're a juror, 464 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.640 you're there to judge not just the facts of the case, but you're there 465 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.960 to judge the law and the penalties that will be applied. And if you 466 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.559 think that the law is unjust or the penalties are going to be excessive, 467 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.279 it is your right and your duty as a juror to oppose that. But 468 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.359 you're told exactly the opposite by almost all these judges. And I guess you 469 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.400 know what I've heard is that if you start talking about it to your fellow 470 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:27.680 jurors, they'll kick you out of there and put in an alternate right. 471 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.839 Is that typically what happens. That has happened. There's been documented cases of 472 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:36.240 that happening. Absolutely, it's really amazing. Well, you know, when 473 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.039 you look at these other cases, it's just real quickly, not just the 474 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:44.039 one in Georgia that's particularly egregious in terms of its politics. And before we 475 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.400 leave it, let me just ask you your opinion about this. As I've 476 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:51.279 looked at this and other people have looked at it, it looks like another 477 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.920 part of this strategy is to have so many people that are there that they 478 00:32:54.920 --> 00:33:00.599 can get the lawyers to turn on Trump. And by charging the lawyers, 479 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.839 she can break the attorney client privilege, just another important precedent that they're trying 480 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.519 to get rid of. So by charging the lawyers, then that breaks that 481 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:13.799 makes them co defendants and then hoping that they will turn on Trump, and 482 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.519 then Trump is not paying for anybody's big legal fees, and that's kind of 483 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.640 a dangerous thing for him as well. Even one guy who had to set 484 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.079 in jail for over a week because he couldn't make bail and couldn't afford a 485 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.359 lawyer who's now got online fundraising gifts in go or something like that. But 486 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:36.079 it is what do you think about that strategy? You think that's going to 487 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:38.599 backfire on Trump and that some of these lawyers are going to flip. Is 488 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.680 that what her ultimate strategy is? You think? Yeah, I you know 489 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.480 the reason, in my opinion, the reason that you charge people under a 490 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:52.480 Rico statute, the reason you bring in multiple defendants in these cases, is 491 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.880 because you are going to try to flip someone. You know, I heard 492 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.000 yesterday. I don't know how much of it is true, but I heard 493 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:06.079 yesterday that in the Marlago case, the classified documents case in Florida, that 494 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.719 someone is already flipping. Someone's already cooperating, at least with regard to like 495 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.719 the obstruction, the destruction of video charges, things like that. So you 496 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.480 know, it's a very common practice for prosecutors to use that. You know, 497 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.760 as far as what Trump does and how he approaches it, I do 498 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.320 think there's a feeling among many that they can't possibly afford many people associated with 499 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.920 and they can't possibly afford the legal fees that this requires to fight this. 500 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.800 And he is raising unprecedented amounts of money for his campaign or through his campaign, 501 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.880 and you know, his legal defense fund money isn't hurting. So you 502 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.159 know, there probably are some concerns about whether or not he can provide money 503 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:50.239 to co defendants and what that does if that looks like obstruction because they're not 504 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.480 cooperating. But he could certainly go out and say, these people are patriots. 505 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:57.360 You need to support them and help them, just like you're supporting and 506 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.800 helping me. I do think there are things he could do to do that. 507 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:06.199 It's dangerous, it's unprecedented legal issues we're dealing with. This idea of 508 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.000 trying to appierce Pierce attorney client privilege, very very dangerous. But I do 509 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.800 think he should be doing, at least to the extent he possibly can, 510 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:20.679 everything he can for these other codefendants because they're just caught up in issues that 511 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.239 many of them have no control over. They're just trying to do the job, 512 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.280 do a job the best of their ability, that's right. Yeah, 513 00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.679 And it's not good optics, even for the politics to let these other guys 514 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.760 go to jail because they can't afford a lawyer or bail. That's something that's 515 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.920 not very wise. You know, when you talk about the Documents case, 516 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.440 I don't know what is your general take on this. I'll tell you I 517 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.920 look at the Documents case. To me, that seems like the only one 518 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.679 where they have a clear violation. And yet again you know why, it 519 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.960 is selective prosecution. They don't appear to be interested in anybody else violating these 520 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.719 laws. I mean, technically he appears to have violated. I haven't seen 521 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.239 any lawyers that came up with a plausible defense for it. Derschwitz, as 522 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:07.719 hard as he tried, said, well, maybe the documents were already declassified 523 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:09.880 and maybe he didn't know it. That's the best ticket come up with. 524 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:14.440 But you know, what everybody sees is the fact that no, they haven't 525 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.320 come after Biden or Hillary or any anybody else about these things and said they 526 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:22.559 still see it as a law fair against him, you know, weaponized legal 527 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.719 attack against him, even if he technically did violated. But what is it 528 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:34.360 from from your position? Because you've been involved with military trials and things like 529 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.920 that. I'm sure that you know classified security and things like that have come 530 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.480 up in the past. What what is your opinion about that particular case. 531 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.199 You know, I think my frustration with that case is it is an example 532 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:52.360 I think of, you know, politically targeted and selected prosecution. Because here's 533 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.639 the issue. You're really dealing with two different laws. You're dealing with the 534 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.800 Espionage Act that goes all the way back to World War One Woodrow Wilson, 535 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.119 which is really what they're charging him under. But it was never designed, 536 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.119 it was never intended to go after the president of the United States. There's 537 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.840 another law called the Presidential Records Act, right, the Presidential Records Act, 538 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.639 which really is what's supposed to apply to presidential documents and the requirement to archive 539 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:22.039 these documents for historical purposes. But there are no criminal penalties in the Presidential 540 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.159 Records Act. So in the past with other presidents, everything's been handled. 541 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:30.440 They've had to turnover documents under the Presidential Records Act, but they were allowed 542 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:36.239 to keep things again under that Act for personal historical reasons. So it really 543 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.559 is a selective prosecution issue. So yes, technically if things that President Trump 544 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.440 believed were covered under the Presidential Record Act or believed that he was allowed to 545 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.920 take, even maybe his attorneys advising him thought it was okay for him to 546 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.480 take, but they weren't technically declassified yet. Yeah, there could be some 547 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.079 technical violations the law, but that's again goes back to one of those issues 548 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.559 of what was the intent of the law when Congress pass it and is it 549 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:05.480 acuter twisting the intent of the law and using essentially a technicality to try to 550 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.119 come after a political opponent. And I think the answer to that is yes, 551 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.159 yes, And you go back to that Espionage Act that you talk about, 552 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.599 you know, Woodrow Wilson anything in nineteen seventeen Espionajact. I remember very 553 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:22.079 clearly talking about how the Obama cohorts, which are essentially you know, what's 554 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.639 around Biden at this point in time running his administration. But during the Obama 555 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:31.239 administration they came. They charged more people in his eight years, They charge 556 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:37.039 more people with the nineteen seventeen Espionage Act than all of the previous administrations combined. 557 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.000 And so it is a favorite tactic of THEIRS to use in nineteen seventeen 558 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.800 Espionajact. So it's got his fingerprints and that whole group all over that thing. 559 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:52.079 But yeah, it is it truly is amazing that it's gotten to this 560 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.000 point. But my big concern with it again, as you point out, 561 00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.239 there's some very dangerous precedents that are being established, and it is also being 562 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:07.159 used to intensify this tribalization and this polarization, and everybody's getting ready to fight 563 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.920 over this stuff, and it is coming up to I don't know if you 564 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.840 pay attention to the fourth Turning or not, but it's something Strauss and how 565 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.000 talked about in early nineties. The guys who came up with the name's millennial 566 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.920 and everything they looked at the cycle of about every eighty years, about every 567 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.639 fourth generation, they via turning in society where there would be a major restructuring 568 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:34.440 of all the different institutions, usually accompanied by a financial crisis and or war, 569 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.159 you know. And the previous ones were World War Two and the Great 570 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.599 Depression, prior to that, Civil War, prior to that, the American 571 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.800 Revolutionary War. They went back five hundred years in American and British history. 572 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:50.360 And so we're at a time where the people are really kind of primed for 573 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.400 this, and this seems to be the flashpoint in my opinion, what they're 574 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:59.440 doing here with Trump, It truly is amazing. But I don't know, 575 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.719 it's great to talk to you, and is there anything else in your mind 576 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.800 You're like, talk about homeschooling, anything like that that's happening, And well, 577 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.880 you know, I think one of the things that I think you would 578 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:13.760 be interested in being aware of, and I think something we need to keep 579 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.719 an eye on is a trend we're seeing with regard to it affects all parental 580 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:22.960 rights, but particular can affect homeschoolers. It's this There was a story that 581 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:29.679 came out this week where Pennsylvania that's where I live, where I practice local 582 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.519 law. They engaged in a training program. So the state of Pennsylvania created 583 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.800 a training program in partnership with the University of Pittsburgh. And what they did 584 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.679 is they put out training materials that say, essentially, if the parents are 585 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:49.480 homophobic, if the parents are opposed to their child transitioning, that could be 586 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.920 a danger. They could be a threat, and you should consider whether or 587 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.440 not it's appropriate to remove a child from the home in Pennsylvania. Wow, 588 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.880 Okay, so it's big news that I want people to see because there was 589 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.679 a lot of attention that was paid to you know, states on the West 590 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.760 coast like Washington who came out with laws that specifically had legislation on the books 591 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:13.559 that says that's a reason you know, not allowing a child to get an 592 00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.159 abortion or you know, posing an abortion, or opposing you know, medical 593 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:24.239 treatment so called medical transgender treatment, child mutilation, puberty brockers, those things 594 00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:28.760 that that could be a threat to the child. Well, other states now 595 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.480 and we're seeing this in Pennsylvania. We've the training materials have now been released, 596 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.880 they're publicly available. Just no one was paying attention. You have your 597 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:42.000 local county social workers being trained to look for people who have religious beliefs that 598 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:46.280 talks about traditional religious beliefs that oppose this and the danger and threat that may 599 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:52.000 make to a child. So when we talk big picture about homeschooling, the 600 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:58.440 biggest you know, continued drum that I will beat is homeschool your children or 601 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.840 get them into a really good, small Christian private school. Do everything you 602 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.000 can to do that because the cases we have seen in Pennsylvania, the cases 603 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.679 will continue to see in Pennsylvania, will usually involve some sort of an interaction 604 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.920 with a public school counselor teacher otherwise that starts a child down the path of 605 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:24.639 confusion that these individuals will play into their mental illness. They will drum that 606 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.599 up and then you will see this and then all of a sudden, you 607 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:30.679 know, the county is knocking at your door and removing your children. So 608 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.440 I'm not trying to be alarmist on that. Oh, I don't think that 609 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.280 we have to pay attention to. Yeah, And as a matter of fact, 610 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.000 that's another level up. I just talked about this week about Massachusetts where 611 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.719 they had I think it was just right I talked about it. They had 612 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.679 a couple who wanted to adopt, and so they were gonna get into the 613 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.440 foster care program and adoption program, and it's part of that. They realized 614 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.960 that they were Christians and that they were not going to go along with the 615 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.719 LGBT agenda and that type of thing, so they kicked them out of the 616 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.840 program. So there's a lawsuit happening there. But what you're talking about there 617 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:06.960 and Pennsylvania is even worse. That's coming after people who are parents and taking 618 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.880 the kids away from them simply because they don't go along with the LGBT agenda. 619 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.800 And as you point out, it's going to be the schools that are 620 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.880 going to kind of act like the Stasi informants, you know, saying out, 621 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:20.719 well this is what we see, you know, sending a chop protective 622 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.599 services so called, and to attack the parents, isn't it. Wow? 623 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.199 Yeah, absolutely absolutely so. So homeschool your kids. Get them in a 624 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.079 good private school, a good Christian school, a small one that you know 625 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:36.440 what's being taught, that you understand what's happening. The other thing I tell 626 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.599 parents all the time, particularly homeschool parents, is a very careful attention to 627 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.320 who your doctor is. Yes, your primary care physician. People people miss 628 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.559 this completely. But your primary care physician, your doctor, has a critical 629 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.760 role in all of this because you have progressive doctors. You have clinics that 630 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:59.599 won't take you as a patient if your kids don't get every single vaccine as 631 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.360 soon as you know, as soon as they're born or otherwise. But you 632 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:07.559 also have, you know, these clinics that will push this medical mutilation of 633 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.840 children and feed into these things. And so you need a really good primary 634 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:16.639 care physician that at least understands and is sympathetic to your religious beliefs and basic 635 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:22.039 parental rights. And that's a that's a good buffer against the county, against 636 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.719 the state, or otherwise when it comes to protecting your children and protecting your 637 00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:29.400 family. So that's the other note of encouragement I would have for folks that 638 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.119 are out there is pay attention to who your doctor is very careful about that. 639 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.400 That's real important advice, Yeah, because they can become the informant to 640 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.440 get you into trouble if you don't do the vaccines on that type of thing. 641 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.639 And that is something a lot of people don't think about. And it's 642 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.239 getting harder and hard to find doctors like that because they're setting up the you 643 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:51.079 know, they've taken over the institutions and they're the gatekeepers and they're looking for 644 00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:55.880 people who are going to, you know, go into their political side of 645 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.960 things, and then they heavily push this as part of the medical curriculum as 646 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.800 well. It has always been about parental rights. I don't know if you 647 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:09.719 saw the article about Michael Ferris. Homeschool Legal Defense Association that Washington posted a 648 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:15.440 detailed article about him, and they focus on parental rights. And because he's 649 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.519 understood that parental rights is at the essence of all this stuff, homeschooling and 650 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.880 everything else, and so that is really going to be where the fight is 651 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.519 going to be. It's gonna be about parental rights. Well, it's always 652 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:30.039 great talking to you again, David Shaunce and his website is Yaunce law dot 653 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:36.480 com. And it's great to have somebody we talk about, not just doctors, 654 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:40.000 but to talk about lawyers who look at things from a Christian world perspective 655 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.639 and therefore they're going to try to uphold the law as it is written. 656 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.119 It is great to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on. 657 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.000 Hey, Thank you brother, God bless you, Thank you, God, 658 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.480 bless you We're tight. Quick break and we'll be right back. Folks 659 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:25.239 using free speech to free minds. It's the David night Show The common Man. 660 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.800 They created common Core and dumbed down our children. They created common Past 661 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:38.079 to track and control us, their Commons project to make sure the commoners own 662 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:45.760 nothing and the communist future. They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated 663 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:52.400 ordinary. But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of 664 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:58.000 God. That is what we have in common. That is what they want 665 00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:02.880 to take away. Their most powerful weapons or isolation, deception, intimidation. 666 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.159 They desire to know everything about us, while they hide everything from us. 667 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:15.360 It's time to turn that around and expose what they want to hide. Please 668 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.000 share the information and links you'll find at the David Knightshow dot com. Thank 669 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:29.239 you for listening, Thank you for sharing. If you can't support us financially, 670 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:52.880 please keep us in your prayers. The Davidknightshow dot Com