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Hey everybody, and welcome to another
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Now, do you want to just give

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us a brief introduction? Who you
are, why you're famous, all that

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stuff. I can give you a
brief introduction about you. Who I am.

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My name is Michel, and I'm
a human live in Vienna, and

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I'm interested in web technologies, especially
Angular. So Angular is the stuff I

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earn my money with. I'm a
consultant and trainer angler and my hobby is

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r x J S nice. So
it's it's Michael. Yeah, Michael is

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the German pronunciation of the same name
in English, Michael. Okay, yeah,

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I just I want to try and
say my name is Sherman and it's

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announced Michael Michael. It's the German
Michael. You know. Yeah, there

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we go. So so yeah,
So you live in Vienna and you do

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Angular. How long have you been
doing Angular? Oh quite a while since

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it came out Angular the early one
versions and chase as something one two whatever.

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I believe one two one or something
or one one whatever something something with

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one dot. Yeah, all the
good old days. Right, Yeah,

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it's it's interesting because I did a
lot of bigger applications in Anglo ja is

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and stuff that I realized is not
is not working there, like a sharing

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state with this what was it?
Back then? This scope and rootscope stuff

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was not really really performant, and
I implemented patterns and those patterns are today

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very very present in the new version
of Angler, so the angle and Anglo

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JS. So it is really really
interesting to see how the problems of those

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early versions of Angela evolved into a
very nice way of dealing with it.

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Today. It is a not out
of the box, but we have a

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lot of tools that do it for
us. For example, the problem back

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then is today solved with some global
state management tools like NGRX for example.

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And back then it was my custom
clumsy implementation and it became a nice standard

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way of sorting stuff. So it's
it's interesting to compare a very old version

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of a framework very new versions.
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm curious how did

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you get into Angular? Well,
I was a back end developer back then,

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did many years of back in development
with zand framework and also of course

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what else I made website when I
was young, and I used the content

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management troopole back then, and Trouppart
was really interesting for me because they started

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to develop a plug in that that
provided you arrest API for this content management

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system. This what what you know
nowadays, the headless content management system.

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I was so fascinated of the possibility
that I started to use some front and

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staff to to build a website or
a mobile app. And then I used

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Ionic and INGL so first Angle and
then Ionic in in the in the in

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the JAS versions. Oh wow,
you were doing mobile apps before you were

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really doing what? So were you
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Then? Well, I experimented with
Anglo chas and the first solid application

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that I wrote was A was a
Ionic application, our application, mobile app,

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hybrid app, however you call it. And this was my first step

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into this Anglo world. So I
implemented the API client for this drupe CMS

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to use in the in the Anglo
ecosystem, right and was that was my

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fourth first A But yeah, it
was the rest API client, one of

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my first projects that I open sourced
or my first open source portrait, I

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don't know how you call it.
Yeah, I'm curious to like how much

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adoption something like that gets, because
I mean I've been in the Angular community

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for a while and Drupel really isn't
the platform of choice that I hear from

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most people. Well, I started
to try out this hypo three Back then

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it was way more clumsy than it
is today. And yeah, they this

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pushed me into this Trooper CMS system
because it was more handy. But in

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the end, I was I was
getting bored from the back end stuff,

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and I moved to the front end
and then I did cool stuff. My

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first really big application was an Uber
clone with Ionic. It's a pretty pretty

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cool and big application with web sockets
and GPS tracking and whatever, and I

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was very, very excited. And
after this, I never touched the back

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end again until now, where I
again start to experiment with nest Jas and

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other cool technologies. Gotcha, So
so yeah, so I'm curious, why

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why Angular? Why not React?
Well? English j was was out before

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React, and at least as far
as I know him, and please correct

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me, I always can be wrong, but let's say I experienced it.

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Okay, I experienced that Anglo jas
was the first cool new thing that I

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realized. And back then because I
wrote also some shake very based ap sp

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as, it was like a game
changer before. If you think about developing

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something with Jake Very and then you
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And I was so fauscinated. I
attended everything you meet up of this

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Anglar technology back then, uh hm, And yeah, since then, I'm

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a super fan of and and then
React appeared and then View appeared, And

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I'm not familiar with React a lot, but I know the know the concept,

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and I used it. I just
never did a a lot with it,

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so I understand how the other things
work. But I would say my

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focus is on Angula and the surrounding
technologies, and well, let's never switched.

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Really, Yeah that makes sense.
I mean I remember, yeah,

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Anguler came on the scene, and
then yeah, a while later, React

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came on the scene, and they
started doing things with like shadow dom and

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components and things like a lot of
the things that we kind of take for

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granted within Angular today exactly. And
you know, we get all those goodies

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and we get a lot of nice
stuff out of Angular as well, and

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so yeah, I definitely get that. I didn't realize that it was so

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long ago that React wasn't really even
on the scene yet. And I remember

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that I remember arguing with people about
Embermber. So the Anglo CLI AM pretty

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sure is based on the EMBASSYLI I
think it started that way. I don't

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know if it still is evolved into
this Angular system. Yeah, I don't

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know if the Angular cli is still
based on the Embassy ALI, but I

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know it started that way. It
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very beginning. Begame wash yeah yeah, and was also the reason why I

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attended a lot of Angular meetups back
the YEP. Absolutely in Vienna. In

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Vienna, yes, yes, because
I yeah, when I think of big

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hubs of Angular developers, I don't
think of Vienna. So I mean,

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what's the community like there and how
was it back then? This is really

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interesting you have to know today around
the Angular meetups since five or six years

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at the beginning, I was just
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ever happened. I was already there. And the interesting part about this stuff,

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at least in vi Enna was these
meetups were always packed. I can't

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remember, I guess it was two
fifteen. We had always like eighty eight

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ninety people there, and back then
it was not that well funded as it

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is today. But when we had
like a really cool speaker. I can

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remember when month Ledge Dyer showed up
at our meetup. We had one hundred

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and twenty five people on a meeting. It was like incredible time change that

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we had to move to another location. The old organizer asked me to take

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it over, and now we are
in another location, but still always a

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lot of people and also the video
crew that is recording our bogs told we

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always have a very active community,
a lot of interesting speakers. We have

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like every single meetup one I don't
know, Glee or decent Dead company,

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really famous these people, and it
is a very very good feeling that we

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have such an active and interesting dynamic
in this group. I'm not sure if

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it is everywhere in the world,
I assume know, but it is here

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in Vienna, that's the case.
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here and we had I mean sometimes
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it was like so there is here, uh utah nice. Nice. Yeah,

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so there's there's a healthy community here. But yeah, it's it's interesting,

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you know that there are that many
people there that want to stay current

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on Angular. And it's also interesting
how many gdes and people that you're saying

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are available to come and speak to
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after I took the meetup over,
I also did several changes and I set

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up in association. It's called Anglo
Austria Association that basically takes fundings or sponsorships

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from companies and then funds meetups and
other things. For example, I run

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these integrals for camps a year.
At the workshops are free. Everything is

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free, and also the meetups and
I have their free drinks with food,

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and if I have a speaker that
is not gde or to pay their travelings,

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I'm not able to refund their travelings
because I have the feeling they already

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do so much to prepare for a
talk, like a train it. It's

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not like you come there and you
speak. You have to train it,

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practice it. You have to build
the story to the slides. It's a

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lot of work. And then they
have to pay the traveling to speak on

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my meetup. And I'm really happy
that since several years now, nobody that

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speaks on my meetup has to pay
travel costs for something. Also, other

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events in Austria that are related to
ANGLA are funded over this association. That's

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that's awesome. And how do you
get the association funded? Do you have

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companies there that funded? Yeah,
So I go to companies and I explain

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what I do and show them what
events we run, and show them that

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we are like approved as a nonprofit
organization, and then they say, yeah,

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that is cool, and then they
give us a couple of euros and

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we use this money to run those
events and we advertise them with logos on

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our banners or in the recordings.
We have to logos, so we give

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them some advertisement and always link them
with the community. So a lot of

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jobs that are needed or that that
are taken in en are going over these

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meetups because you always have companies that
sponsor, and then people that are interested

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in there's such a job and it's
a really cool let's say linking, really

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cool netflik platform. Two. That's
awesome. That's good that you agree,

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Yeah, I love it. I'm
trying to think of what I can do

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here because there are a lot of
tech companies here that I think I could

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get to, you know, sponsor
things like that. And I mean there's

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the there is a tech association that
runs like Utah Open Source Conference, some

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database conferences and stuff, and they
get local companies to sponsor them. But

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I think it'd be really interesting to
pull something together where yeah, we were

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doing a monthly meet up and it
was like, well we got the creator

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of this framework or the you know
or Gear, Microsoft MVP or yeah,

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and just be like all right,
you know, we've got this person coming

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in, you know, the whole
thing's been done. Or maybe do a

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workshop right where it's you know,
we've got this person and we're gonna we're

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going to pay them for their time, but the association is making it free,

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right exactly. So this is also
the reason we don't need members,

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because we don't want to have members. We want to provide service for everybody

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that want to attend. Like,
yeah, that's a better funded meeta.

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Yeah, that's awesome. Also one
of my hobbies next to our xjs.

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Yeah, so how did you wind
up getting into RxJS? Was it an

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extension of working with Angular and just
realizing that No, no, it was

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It was a really cool story.
I was I back in development and program

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PHP and then I always such like
what is cool and new and blind?

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Uh. Before his Angular meetups started
in Vienna, I often met with with

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a guy. His name is called
Ardi Shariff. I guess in Twitter his

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name is Sharif's speed. He's tweeting
a lot of stuff on programming culture and

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stuff. And he was like really
really informed about the latest new technology and

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and also concept and and and and
and uh uh let's say implementation wise why

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it is good or bad? And
he told me back then. I was

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like, wow, there is decent
that new stuff. And he said,

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you know what really cool is r
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what the r x j s?
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I had this dummy, my first
dummy angular project. It was just the

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button and some text like this Hello
World example of Anglo jas and and I

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was like, okay, I want
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So I started to make a button
clickstream. And it took me hold

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on three days to make a button
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I assume it was for something or
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clue. The documentation was like over
complex and overfilled with these words this like

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observable, observer, and subject.
And I had no clue. So I

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fight at this button and when I
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so excited and so released it.
I started to like experiment more. The

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next thing was I created an error
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to restart the observable. Now I
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not here, but yeah, like
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And my first example and my first
real talk on a meetup was was our

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angle a jas and I guess a
mess bus with rxchs and the second was

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a Morse code decoder and this was
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first my second meetup talk and also
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a lot of those issues or issues
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Angular meetup and Nest meetup which is
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not so active. Maybe I should
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to think about rx j s at
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meetup. Right, we will see. So let's talk a little bit about

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what you're doing as far as if
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and free beer and free location,
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what's possible, and grab a free
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can assume that there is a saying
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Yeah, the Angular team has done
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sit with us. You know,
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like that. In the Ruby community, they have a mantra that's Miniswan and

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that is Matt's is nice and so
we are nice, Matt's being the creator

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of the language. Right. So
yeah, a lot of these ideas you

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know that you're talking about at a
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the communities, right exactly. Angular
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about Angular to be honest, no
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even if it is a meetup for
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you also have to be welcoming and
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not stick it to the topic of
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like a general thing that you want
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if you're creating a community, it's
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meetup and they'll compete friendly. I
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and I say hi to the shop
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a community. Agree. Yeah,
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I'm really curious. You know,

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what kinds of things have you done
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matter, Like, like, what
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can, I can. I can
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the beginning. I'm not sure if
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Ionic uber clone uber Clone with Ionic. This was one of my first really

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the rest, Corse and this and
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me to use typescript. And you
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people were like what is it?
You know, it's well like this coffee

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script SNY And then there was typescript
sing and people were like, you really

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want to bet on typescript? I
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I was like, yep, can
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don't want to like start a new
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like, no, we do this, and you don't care how long it

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will take to learn it. I
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it and after one and a half
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a lot of different technologies typescript,
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are FID tags and the GPS position
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put the I beacons or the QR
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over positions and when you pass the
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for museums, for outdoor museums and
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I decided I decided back then to
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a better way because it was I
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still not really helpful for me.
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what my code is doing. Because
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joke. I was not able to
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a clear understanding of all the different
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this was, I guess, the
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in these in these diagrams, and
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the foundational work that I used to
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still work on. So did you
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system? Hu? I didn't,
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online. If you click on my
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diagram way of throwing to a real
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of marbles. You cannot visualize execution
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and where the unsubscribed of a switch
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use this design system to draw every
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the operators that switch the scheduling context
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subjects. Awesome. Yeah, I'm
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it's a little different from what I've
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interesting. I definitely want a lot
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operator, and this is like,
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it didn't show the internal logic of
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interesting thing that you want to know
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if you use a switch map,
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difference that my diagram shows compared to
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and it is working and you can
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always the same pattern, always the
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out of it, provide some patting
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know what I mean. It's likely
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drawing lines. It's like the line
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said, yep. Cool. Well, I'm I'm kind of running out of

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time. I have some other podcast
interviews to get to today and I actually

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have to drive to them because they're
local folks. So last thing you want

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to know, well, what are
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a little development, a switch to
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just tried to solve some problems for
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and I still work on very interesting
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and fully subscription less Angular applications.
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on a research that I did.
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local state management in a very primitive
form in Angular. And you can rep

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this implementation stuff that I did with
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logic that looks like an NNGRX for
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a component level. But I do
desire right fully reactive applications. And if

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you go fully sown less, you
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instead of the acing pipe, you
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the idea of triggering the change detection
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marking for a check, but detecting
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several performance problems. For example,
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repository. I will provide a pr
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directive another thing that is very similar
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have a smooth integration of streams in
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basically it detects the version of angle
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it detects if you run soone less
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does it seem and you don't need
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have it in the pipe or in
the directive. I guess we will publish

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at least parts of this PR in
the near future and the next version of

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NIX cool. Very cool. All
right, Well, I'm gonna push this

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in the picks and pushes in the
pis. So we're gonna we're going to

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talk about stuff that's not related to
this that we like, so, you

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know, just shout outs about TV
shows, books, movies, other stuff

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that you're you know, enjoying these
days. I can go ahead and uh

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and do a pick or two here
and then, and then you'll kind of

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get the idea. My first pick, it's hard to keep track of because

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these aren't on like a regular schedule. They get scheduled when they get scheduled,

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and so I worry a little bit
about repeating them. But if I

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repeat them, sorry. So the
first pick I have is a book that

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I've been listening to on Audible.
It's called Generation Z Unfiltered and it talks

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about so I'm Generation X, I
think, depending on how you reckon it,

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I was born in seventy nine,
and you know, and then you

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have Generation Y and then Generation Z
and uh. This book is about explaining

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the world that Generation Z is growing
up in and how they see the world

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and how, you know, how
tech ichnology has impacted them and things like

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that. And what's really interesting to
me is that my kids, I think,

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are at least my older kids are
Generation Z according to however they reckon

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that. And so just understanding,
Okay, these are the things that are

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different from when I grew up,
right because I've fought a few things that

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I didn't need to fight because you
know, I try to raise my kids

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like I was raised. And there
are a couple there are a lot of

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things that yeah, you know these
you know, these are the values we

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live by. So you know,
so do this or do that. But

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the reverse of that is is,
okay, you know, go outside and

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play. Well, we went outside
and played because technology entertainment was the TV,

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right, that was it when I
was a kid. And now they've

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got the Internet, they've got cell
phones, they've got all these different things,

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and yeah, I still encourage my
kids to go outside and play,

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but now I have a little bit
more context around how they look at this

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and realize that, you know,
I need to be a little bit more

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permissive in some ways with technology and
a little less permissive with technology in some

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ways. Right, So you know, essentially what I'm doing now is I'm

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trying to give them the tools to
cope with a connected world and the types

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of technology offerings that are going to
be around in ten years when they're adults.

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And so anyway, it's been a
really interesting book to just kind of

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dive in and look at that stuff. So I'm going to pick that.

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The other pick I have is an
app on my Mac that I use called

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Shift. And what Shift does is
it it puts a whole bunch of your

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apps in the same spot. So
I have a Gmail account, well Google

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Apps account for work, right,
and then I have another Google Apps account

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for some of the volunteering that I
do for the local political party. And

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then you know, I've got you
can add in. So I've got Stripe

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or not Stripe, sorry, Slack, Facebook Messenger, Facebook Messenger, Active

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campaign, base Camp. You know, so I've got all of these and

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they're they're all tabs in this same
app, and so I don't have to

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go and sign into them, and
then if the tab gets closed, I

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have to go back. I don't
have to do any of that stuff.

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Shift kind of manages all that for
me. So I'm gonna pick Shift.

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Do you have some things that you
want to shout out about, uh,

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Mihaiel pick I should pick something,
I don't know, a book or whatever

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that I think it's cool. Yeah, yeah, what's the thing that just

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makes your life better these days?
Right when you want to put your feet

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up is a hot question. You
never know if your left gets better or

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not fair enough? Book? Pick
a book? Yeah, I have a

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core book. What is a core
book? A core book that I wrote

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is like that wrote read was a
story like Story like the Wind is a

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book written from an author called Lawrence
from the Post. Lawrence from the Post

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was back then a friend of Cigi
Young, this famous psychologist Cichi Young.

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Maybe you know him, I don't
know, I don't care. So in

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the story a Story like the Winter, there was an white I call it

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white because I know from which a
country. Those white people were in the

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jungle in and they lived together with
you know the English word, but these

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people that live in the bush we
call it a bushman or whatever, or

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in the jungle natives there, and
then there were some fighting and whatever.

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So the story was about how the
cultural interaction between this let's say, strange

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white small boy and his family and
the natives were and also fights in between

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his native people and others. And
it was incredibly interesting and fascinating for me

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how this young boy made his decisions
based on the really let's say, very

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stressful situations he was in. All
the time, he always acted very wise

480
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and very very thoughtful. So I
was very impressed of this book the way

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how it was written and the story
of this young boy that was living with

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the natives there as a complete stranger. And I guess it is it will

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touch a lot of people because it
is a very very good book. And

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other stuff that I like and that
I believe is improving my life is I'd

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like to have fun. So if
you have fun, no matter where and

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what, I guess it's always better. Also when I work, when I

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train, when I learn, I
try to do it in a playful way

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because the mood in which I am
is heavily influencing if I can digest the

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information or not. And if I
want to learn something, it's very important,

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or if I want to teach and
share knowledge, it's important that I'm

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in an open mood, that that
is able to receive other people and their

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feelings and questions and give the right
answer. And if you are in a

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fun in a funny state, it's
a natural behavior that most of the people

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go into the very it's easy for
them to receive feelings and sorts of other

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people. I chant it and give
it away. And I always try to

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have this like a funny mood because
if you are in a very strict mood,

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it is very exhausting to stay focused
and you cannot process all the different

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impressions from all the people. For
example, if I teach it easily,

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so it helps me to save energy. If I if I'm in an open

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and uh, let's say funny or
a happy mood, cool anything else?

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Know, that's it done, bam, Okay, we nearly have like fot

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yor five minutes. Yeah, are
you satisfied with the information you collected?

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Yes? Absolutely, And I think
it's always funny to me. You know,

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we have these conversations and then somebody
will email me and say this really

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inspired me. So I'm really hoping
that people are going to be like,

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oh well I can go start a
meetup or I can go learn. Yeah,

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also to mentoring, if somebody is
interesting to run a meetup, start

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a meetup, want to do a
talk. I do this a lot in

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Vienna. I am used to do
it sometimes remote and if it is a

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fair fair of time. I'm into
helping people to do this, and especially

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if they are across or around Vienna
in Austria. We also fund the first

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meetup with the association, so we
help with the association, will help you

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to start your meetup, to get
running, to get like the first round

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of three drinks paid for the people, and then have a good could a

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good first meetup? Awesome? How
do you forget hold of the people?

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Want to get trained or consultant?
They can contact me. I guess my

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email address is on Twitter and my
Twitter handle is always open, so you

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can contact me and also consume it. All right, sounds good? Yeah?

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I also think so all right,
well I'm going to uh, I'm

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gonna go ahead and wrap us up, but thank you for coming in.

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This was a lot of fun.
Yeah yeah, I agree with. For

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