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We're back on that bullshit here at
that fucking cast boss. Huh, back

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in that archives, back in that
attitude era. Oh, yes, what

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the fuck we're gonna do? What
right? I mean, coming off Philly,

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coming off all this themed and hyper
specific programming, we we took the

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random hat out and uh we did
it old school, didn't we? We

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went fucking old school. This is
a this is such a you know,

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this was I'm gonna tell you this
is this was drawn old school style.

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All right, I've got I've got
I'm seriously, in all of my moving

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from place to place, I have
a fucking plastic container filled with you know,

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pieces of paper that have all the
shows that we haven't done from the

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last Golden age. Yes, like
we're talking. We're talking since I don't

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know, like for years, probably
at least half of the existence of the

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laps Fan, I have had this
fucking ground Himalayan pink salt uh container.

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That's what it was. It's it's
and and so just put put the hand

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in and saw what came out.
You know, obviously I haven't taken out

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some shows I forget sometimes, but
this was the first one that came out

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unforgiven. Nine and nine. We
have such wacky memories of this this time

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period and of this show. This
was the first, This was the first

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non Big five pay per view that
I ever bought. That is a fascinating

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string to pull on, and we
will do that. Yep, it's it's

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it gets started. It's total serendipity. Though of course you know what would

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happen, right, We choose to
show out of the clear blue sky and

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then we once we got into it, think about this, Okay, yeah,

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yeah, as Triple H takes the
helmets to oh yes, yes,

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yes. And was the storyline at
the time not that Vince McMahon was sidelined

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anticipation in WWE. Yes, and
you were not all out on TV anymore

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at the hands of at the hands
of Stone call Steve Austin beating me undertake

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her at fully Loaded. I mean, this is a year where we paid

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extra close attention to every little nook
and cranny and every little twist and turn

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the masses. I mean, just
like it on a you know, per

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per capita basis. How many people
were watching wrestling every Monday night in nineteen

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ninety nine. Oh, I know, don't you ever forget it? And

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you can do all the Matthew want
about how many fewer homes have cable these

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days than before. But let me
tell you, if you were riding the

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wave of ninety nine and you were
a teenager and you were of the demographic

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they were targeting and riding all the
way to the bank, wrestling never felt

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bigger. Yep. And it's when
Triple H consolidates power and starts moving the

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chess pieces around where suddenly we have
to accept, even though no one was

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asking for it, that he is
now the top guy in the business,

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that we really realized that this is
actually where this is all heading. It's

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all about Triple H's gamesmanship. Yes, Austin and Rock is over. There's

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still a little bit, there's still
a little bit of steam on the tail

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end. But as soon as Austin
and Rock Peter rout and you know,

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go other directions and look to other
pastures, it's it's the Triple H show.

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And as we sit here today in
twenty twenty four, it still is.

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Yep. It has been ever since. It has been twenty five years

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of pain. It's this precise period
in nineteen ninety nine where it all comes

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into full relief where you start to
realize that he actually has figured out how

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to play the whole system like a
fiddle to keep himself in the forefront,

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even if, like I said,
no one was clamoring for it. We've

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done SummerSlam ninety nine before, which
of course is the pay per view that

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precedes this September nineteen ninety nine pay
per view event. But SummerSlam does not

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end with Triple H hoisting the championship, as does not originally, and I

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honestly can't remember we did Summer Slam
ninety nine so long ago, how much

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depth we got into about how the
machinations, you know, politically, it

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led to, of all people mankind
getting his hand raised with Governor Jesse Ventre

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at SummerSlam and winning the championship getting
the pinfall instead of Steve Austin losing to

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Triple A. Yep. But it's
here, unforgiven, where we really can

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pick up the true nature of the
stories, because of course it's the next

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night after Summer Slam, on Monday
Night, Triple H wins the ww F

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Heavyweight title for me the first time. Let's think about that for a moment

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too. It's like, you know, think about the fact that within four

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weeks the championship changed twice and was
vacated. It's almost like this is Vince

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Russo's last WWF pay per views.
Yeah, for sure. It's another part

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of the reason that this is so
fascinating, such a fascinating time, because

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you can talk about what was great
about the Attitude erero, but this is

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sort of it all unraveling. Yes, yeah, because you know it's funny,

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you know, you know, because
you you know those when you're watching

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the prime Attitude era stuff like starting
in ninety seven, it all culminates with

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really I mean, yes, it
should have been Wrestlmania fifteen, but in

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reality it is the fully loaded show
when Vince smick Mann is off TV and

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then and then it's like all of
a sudden, it's like where where are

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we going now? Like this is
I remember feeling such a bizarre sense of

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transition in this because keep in mind
too, like you know, you're thinking

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about Vince sick Man wins the championship
with the help of stonecle Steve Austin,

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he helps him win the championship.
Yeah, this is a pride of the

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wrestlmin he seventeenth finish, right like
Triple H is the bigger threat now than

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even Vince McMahon, and so it's
just very very bizarre. Uh uh uh.

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You know you could feel at the
time that they didn't know exactly where

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to go. What are we doing
now? You know, without without Austin

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and McMahon is the centerpiece. What
what where are we going with this thing?

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And it totally you can you can
feel uncertainty. Yeah, there's a

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boring from like a dedicated direction.
Yeah, like this show between between Summer

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Slam and Armageddon, there seems to
be this just like not no one knows

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what the fuck is going on,
and we're gonna try what we can with

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this Triple H guy and see what
the fuck happens. In in retrospect,

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it kind of fits the pattern of
Russeau reaching a burnout period like in WCW,

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like when he would disappear, you
know, once every like eighteen months

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or fourteen months or whatever it would
be. There would be a period of

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television that was just totally you know, I don't want to say directionless,

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but it really really felt like they
were making it up week to week,

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even more so than the usual crash
TV format style where there was at least

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a guiding principle to get to the
next pay per view, And here it

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just became like, wait a minute, who are we supposed to care about?

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You know, like who, yeah, yep, Because Steve Austin had

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hurt his knee several weeks out from
SummerSlam and was making noise about that,

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you know, limiting the amount that
he could do. And then, of

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course, as we'll get into there's
all kinds of you know, political intrigue

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about him really not being interested in
putting over Triple H the way you know,

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the company was wanting to see and
playing games to get there. But

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then you know, it's it's the
pattern of when Russo can't move the chess

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piece as precisely as he wants,
right, it really starts to get weird

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and stuff starts to happen with no
particular apparent explanation. Like, for a

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minute, remember China was going to
get the title shot. They worked up

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a SummerSlam graphic of China versus Steve
Austin that was like two weeks out from

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SummerSlam. What the fuck are they
doing? What they're doing is responding to

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a lot of things that they can't
control, right, yep, and we

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know that that's scary that are happening
backstage, and this show is the ultimate

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off the rails in that regard.
I mean Chris Jericho Russell's XPOC on this

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show. They made that match on
Heat because Ken Shermrock just didn't want to

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do it and he was hurting.
Wasn't that? Wasn't that too? There

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were two matches that that that happened
like watless right right. They made the

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match against Christian on the Sunday Heat
show right before this. They didn't even

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have enough Those two matches are Jericho
Xbox was a semi main no idea what

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they were doing, uh fuck till
the day of the show, and they

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mixed and matched the of course,
this is the very first six pack challenge

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match for the w WF Championship Triple
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one. They've never done this again, have they? I don't think they

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have, no. Not as many
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I know that, I know they've
used the term six pack challenge before,

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but I don't think it was this. Two guys in the rating four

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guys on the apron Tag Rules first
Pin did what the hell In the Celle

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one they did an Armory Geddon six
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called an Army Geddon six pack challenge, but that wasn't tag. It was

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certainly it was every man for himself
that a case, which totally changes the

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nature in a case. Yeah,
right, and so there's no rules there

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and no need to tag, you
know, exactly exactly. But yeah,

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I mean, let's not forget between
Triple H winning the belt on Raw the

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night after Summer Slam and getting to
unforgiven where the title is held up.

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Who wins the belt in the interim
Vince McMahon wins the w WF Champion chip

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in the interim. I think that's
fair. Take a look at the amount

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of WWF title changes in nineteen ninety, nineteen thirteen, thirteen thirteen title changes,

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thirteen title changes in nineteen eighty nine
alone. I mean, look at

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the thinking about this too. From
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you've got uh, Triple H,
you know, Mankind beating Triple beating

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Austin. You've got Triple H beating
Mankind. You got vinsick Man beating Triple

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H. You got the vacate,
you know, titles vacated. So Triple

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H wins it again, then the
Big Show fucking wins it. And I

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don't know does does does Triple H
win in ninety nine or is it early

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two thousand when he wins it again? I don't January fourth, two thousand,

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Monday Night. Right, So we're
talking five times, five times such

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a bankable headliner. Now that two
out of his three title wins in the

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beginning of his career right on pay
per view, right what he san to

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review main events? Right? But
this arm unforgiven nineteen ninety nine, it

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is the first time Triple H wins
the title in a main event of a

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pay per view or a pay review
at all. Yes, so that that's

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sort of significant, and it really
I remember feels like the first time where

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they were like where I felt like, Okay, they actually did mean it

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with Triple H. The yeah,
the Vince McMahon detour was not an indication

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that they were getting cold feet on
a Triple H run, which I remember

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thinking for a moment back then,
it kind of worked, you know,

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in a way, in a way
it gave although I remember even feeling,

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you know, this fucking Triple H's
champion is weird, like it just doesn't

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feel right, probably until I probably
when he won it again from Big Show,

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it didn't feel right. But it
was that came up, don't forget

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that came along with the d X
two thousand reunion too, right, which

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you know and Helmsley era. This
is this, This Triple H is before

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he gets together. This is all
exactly, this all before that. This

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is before the the Test Angle,
the whole fucking thing. Yeah, this

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is all pre that, before pre
Triple pre d X d X doesn't even

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fucking you know, re reunited yet
only the only the Outlaws have. It's

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true, you know, even though
they talk about degeneration next fucking presenting there

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the the the Do Do tag team
champions, which right, right, but

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no, there's no degeneration acts right
now. It's dead. It's dead.

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And that's kind of a weird thing
to that. Yeah, because they pretended

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that Bro Dog was moving on when
the ic strap that Billy Gun was moving

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on winning nineteen ninety nine King of
the Ring, even though that was not

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necessarily plan a. But you know, wrestling the Rocket SummerSlam, did Billy

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gunn It's like, okay, you
know that my main becoming to my main

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too. Yeah, exactly. It
was the it was big. It was

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a big thing for them. But
man, I was this whole thing,

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you know, I remember, Yeah, it was. I was very invested

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in what was going on on TV. You really had to watch every week

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like the years must see like you
say, you could not miss a week

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because it was still entertaining enough.
But also it was such that like if

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you missed week, you couldn't pick
up the next week and understand who was

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what and what was up right down, And it was just like and again,

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it just it just felt so weird
because, like I said, you

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could feel that the main draw was
over, like he just felt it.

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You just felt, I felt that
Stone Cold was checked out. You didn't

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know about the injuries and stuff.
Of course, he would get hit by

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a car at Survivor's Series ninety nine
and undergo pretty invasive next surgery that would

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keep him right out of action for
over a year or just about a year.

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But I don't know, you just
felt like, thank God for the

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Rock because totally there's still someone there
to get that, like we need we

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need it, baby face pop the
guys, you know mm hmm, yeah,

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the rock and he's fucking like he's
off the fucking chain, like he's

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insane in this stupid match too.
He's just nuts. I know, he's

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just so fucking bonkers, you know
with his he's so fast, he's so

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over the top. But it's all
great. Oh you know, there's nothing

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bad about it. Like the way
he throws stumps were like his thigh muscle

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like you know shape some vibrates and
convulses, or the way he charges down

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the ring and I'm in the the
the aisleway and fucking clothes lines triple h

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out of nowhere that's actually there as
it gets It's so fun. Yeah,

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seriously, it's so fucking wild,
like to see all this shit, like,

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you know, trimble h has cut
the legs off his pants now and

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he just has trunks. So we're
looking at it. Yes, indeed we've

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got but he's still uh, he's
still it's still his time though. Yeah,

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that's when the song came out.
My time this is it's not yet

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the game, but he coins the
game phrase before slam. He says it

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for the first time and to sit
down at interview with Jim Ross on Heat,

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I am in the game. We'll
play it in a little while.

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What that means, he explains,
He says, you know, I don't

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just play the game. I am
in the game. So basically his gimmick

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is somebody that found a way to
become champion even though the people weren't,

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you know, crying for so I
am. Yeah, so I am the

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game. It's like, okay,
it's all the game. Terribly interested.

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I'm like, I don't I don't
play the game. I am the game.

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Okay, so other people are playing
you? Is that? What?

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What are you? Shoots and ladders
because you're not spelling shoots s h O

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O T. Yes, I'll tell
you that you got right of anybody that

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could shoot there's anywhere near your orbit
works in ladder matches is what it should

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be, right, Essentially, just
a fascinating time and so much happening,

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and it's such a different feeling.
You're starting to get about the central cast

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of the WWF's resurgent Renaissance period of
nineteen ninety eight to ninety nine. And

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I was just so so. I
just graduated high school in in May of

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nine and nine. I mean yeah, may may have eight, may have

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ninety nine and so I was,
uh, you know, and I didn't

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go to Emerson right away, so
I was right, I was, I

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was this is when I you know
what this is when I was interning for

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uh, mister ken Burns on the
Jazz the Jazz film speaking of insurance.

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It's right, indeed, but yeah, so like this was just a weird,

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Like it wasn't even just weird with
the company. It was weird for

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me, Like I was just in
a weird situation where it's like I'm I'm

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out of high school, but I'm
still you know, day and night living

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at home and just you know,
and Monday, you know, Mondays,

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I made make sure I was fucking
home from fuck ken Burns. I gonna

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watch raw. Yeah, you know. In two thousand and one, I

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graduated, and it was still like
I still felt like nineteen ninety nine was

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a point where things felt deferly.
I totally agree. I felt almost feel

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like I wasn't in high school for
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you know, ninety eight ninety nine
WWF, the way that was presented

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was high school was our our generations
high school on Wi Yes, Yes.

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The zeitgeist was captured in WWF and
after Russo leaves in September ninetynine October ninety

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nine and jumps WCW and they put
Chris Cresny in charge. You know,

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they keep a lot of the same
accouterments about the product. They keep a

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lot of the the edgy and racy
stuff. In fact, they I think,

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out of a sense of panic.
They even push a little too hard

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on that pedal agreed by by December
of ninety nine, you know, on

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pay review, yep, and and
all the rest. So miss Titty,

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you mean Miss Titty exactly. So
you know, they kind of kept a

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little bit of that. But then
you know, the radicals come over at

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the beginning of two thousand and then
it becomes, you know, two thousand

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such an amazing year for them,
their most profitable. So you can't say

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that's just because Russo left and the
nature of the product changed. That you

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know, the record business that the
Attitude era signifies was over. But two

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thousand was a lot different. Yes, that all television was a lot different

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to the better in my opinion,
to my tastes. But you can't say

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that, like you know, for
example, the Raw where Chris ben wapins

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the rock Clean is the kind of
raw you would have gotten in ninety seven,

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ninety eight, ninety nine. Yeah, right exactly. They're they're starting

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to they're starting to spotlight kind of
an elongate parts of the shows that they

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never would have before because WCW is
offering absolutely no resistance ye by two thousand

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from a rating standpoint. They're just
picking the bones at W at this point

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and having some fun with it,
and you know, focusing on things like

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the XFL and all these other fucking, you know, machinations they started to

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have going on. After all that
cash from the October nineteen ninety nine IPO

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they went public and it was just
like, oh my god, there's so

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much money slashing around now WW opens
up all that shit. Did you say

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IP? I certainly said I no, IP Oh yes, oh fucking hell

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mine as well. The band aid
was ripped off in Philly. Oh boy,

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I can tell you that, folks. We can tell you that I

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love band aids. I love ripping
them off. So I love ripping my

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fans off too. Sometimes. Indeed, won afraid to say, but yeah,

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Russo leaving and we've told the story
one hundred times, we'll tell it

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again on this episode because this is
this is really the last one. I

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mean he kind of left right around
No Mercy as di Jeff Jyard, of

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course, who appeared on Russo's first
Nitro jump ship after doing the famous hold

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up the WWS for one hundred and
fifty grand to lose the Intercontinental title to

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Chi at the November of the October
No Mercy pay per view. So that

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was kind of like the vestiges,
the the vapors of what Russo would set

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down still up in the air a
bit. But this is the last,

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you know, this is the last
one where they still think he's on the

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team and all that. But you
can start to see I mentioned it before,

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and I've told the story before.
I probably have that, you know.

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Around this time, I started trying
to make like a compilation VHS tape

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of every world title change in both
promotions WWF andww and I kind of did

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it, thinking, Wow, would
have been cool to have like every title

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change and order on tape in ninety
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was ordering every pay per view,
I was taping every television show. I

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wasn't going to miss anything, And
man, did I picked the wrong year

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to start doing this because seriously,
by the end of Next ninety nine,

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I had a tape that was ludicrously
chalk full of title changes. It did

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not capture only these historic moments,
look I expected. I mean, I'm

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isolating, you know, Vince winning
the championship. I'm isolating that time on

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Thunder when Kevin Nash won the world
title in like a top hat by pinning

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someone other than the champion. I
mean, you know, it was ridiculous.

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And who was booking both the WWF
and WCW side of that ridiculous slatee

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of hot potato title changes? Who
but Vince Russo on both sides of the

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equation, of course, and you
start to see a lot of that.

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In fact, Ivan was kind of
thinking it through, thinking back to TNH

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and the suppositions a lot of people
made in the scuttle but that you know,

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when Vince Rousseau felt like his power
may have been under threat by the

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arrival Hogan and Bischoff, that he
started to book things around Dixie Carter in

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an attempt to make her a television
star and an attempt to sort of make

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the boss someone that needed him to
sort of, you know, have like

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a reason to hold up her star
presence on television, or at least,

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you know, be the one that
she thought through whom she could be a

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television star, and without whom she
would struggle to be a television star,

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to come up with the material,
the dialogue, whatever. And people used

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to say that that was a play
like try to kiss Dixie's ass by putting

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her on television and convincing her that
she's actually a wonderful performer and a keykog

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and and what caused the Bischoff Russell
fallout in TNAS we talked about, well

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this Bischof says it was because at
one point they got everybody in a room

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and it was sort of like he
was telling Bischoff, my god, Eric,

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Dixie's forcing me to put her on
TV. I can't stand this.

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And then on the other side,
Dixie, you got to be on TV.

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I'm telling you, you just create
it. I'm putting words in people's

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mouths. I don't give a fuck, but I'm just saying, that's that's

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the essence of it, you know, I mean, you can't deny that

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that that's the essence of what was
going on. I think. So it's

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the essence of what people were sort
of discerning, but by looking at the

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patterns and how how sort of forced
Dixie Carter's involvement on television suddenly was when

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things got like this, yeah,
as a TV character. And and then

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I look at Vince and I look
at them putting the strap on him,

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and I'm like, you know,
it's interesting because when you read Vince Russo's

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first book, and he doesn't talk
about all these details all the time when

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he goes over how he left WWF
to him, it's just come down to

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over the years, Vince said,
why don't you hire a nanny to watch

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your kids? And I couldn't countenance
that. Plus the workload of suddenly being

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added SmackDown, being added to his
plate without any extra compensation, which you

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know understandable, and Ed Ferrara,
his writing buddy kind of exiting the picture

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and looking to kind of step away
would only add to his workload and things

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like that. But what does he
do when he's in a position of insecurity

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like that. He puts the spotlight
on his boss. He puts the spotlight

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on somebody who he needs to be
in favor of to stay employed. It's

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so, it's it's what a yep, you know, it's funny. I

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never really, I never I started
researching this show. I was like,

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you know, this kind of fits. It's a fucking trend that he does.

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It's a it's a it's a routine, it's a it's a symptom of

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It's yeah, it's really, it's
a part. It's in a playbook somewhere.

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Yeah. And one of the one
of the things he mentions in his

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first book that he doesn't really talk
about when he discusses leaving WBF is is

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that he was pitched an opportunity to
write a treatment for a network television show

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about a pro wrestling booker, like
the Larry Sanders Show about wrestling. Sure,

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Nash had the idea too, and
everyone's had this idea. Fuck it,

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you know, behind the word what
if nitro was us making nitro?

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That's the fucking you know, that's
that's the for the fucking money is It's

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like, you know, like totally
Larry Sanders, you know, fucking HBO,

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that whole thing. That'd be fucking
Look if a let's let's try Bernie

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Sanders right now in America. You
know, if we can't do fucking you

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know, if we can't do Larry
Sanders or fucking Bernie sent Colonel Sanders right,

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And of course we end up with
above average Mike Sanders, which is

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perhaps the biggest tragedy of all,
A solid C plus that was his gimmick.

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God, I guess that's something to
be proud of. Tell me what

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to tune in, let me set
my DVR. I wonder what happened to

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him? Jeez. So I'm looking
at this thing and I'm like, yeah,

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I was in a movie. You
know what's that? He's in a

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movie? Oh he's under the cinemat
qualifier. Oh, yes he is.

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I believe that he kind of had
his movie jobs. He kind of he's

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getting I mean, nothing, nothing
spectacular, but he's got a couple he

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said, a couple of credits under
his belt. Did not survive the WWF

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purchase. WCW. But I'm thinking
of this situation, and I'm looking in

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the book and it says that,
you know, he was offered the opportunity

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to write this show and really wanted
to lean into it. It was kind

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of like an Ed Ferrara connection,
because Ed Ferrara had had history writing television

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before he came to WWF. So
that was sort of his his world already,

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in a world that, according to
Vince Russo at least ed, Ferrara

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wasn't exactly too enthusiastic about diving headlong
into. He kind of saw wrestling as

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his exit from a Hollywood world that
he didn't really I don't know, didn't

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really relish being a part of anymore, didn't really want to search the same

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way. I kind of feel like
that was that part of his career was

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over, I guess. Anyway,
Russo ends up discussing the idea with Vince

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Vince McMahon, and according to Russo, McMahon's just like immediately trying to get

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his fingers in the pie immediately.
So I love I love it, but

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you know, we should go into
this together, you know, I love

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we should expand entertainment whatever. I
think this would be an excellent entertainment vehicle

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for the WW and for you know, I think I think we have I

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think we have an opportunity here.
Yeah, I know that I think that

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this is money for me, none
for you, or at least a lot

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less for you than you think you
deserve. You know, I think this

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is definitely something that that could be
very exciting in a in a h a

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partnership of sorts. You know,
I think I think the way to get

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about this my partnership vance. What
do you mean by part I mean,

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here's the thing, here's the thing, this is this is what you want

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it. Now. I understand that
that you know, you get network involvement.

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That's the way that that goes.
But here's here's the deal. You

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want creative control. I want you
to have creative control, all right.

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So I think the best way to
go about this is make it a Titan

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production, you know, not a
not a Russo isolated production, but a

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a Titan production. Keep it in
house, in family, and I think

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we will have the opportunity to I
think we I think the WWE as a

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as as the current exploding entertainment conglomerate, that we are where we are reaching.

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You know, not only are we
are we a smash on Wall Street?

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We are also a a smash obviously
with ratings and pay per view quality

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entertainment. But what I what I
think is that I think the leverage is

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there. I'm not trying to obviously, you know, when do I want

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to be I want to be completely
fair and say you know you got you

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You were one of the reasons that
we got there, hands down, no

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question. But do people really know
what a Vince Russo is? Well?

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Wow? Know in all fairness,
Bro and I and it means a lot

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coming from you, Bro, And
I appreciate what you said, Bro,

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But when I look at the situation, because they came to me, Bro,

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they came to me as the os. They already know who I am.

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Bro. It's very apparent they do. They do, they do listen,

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and you know what, and I
and I applaud you for having that

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leverage and for for for really you
know, moving the needle in that regards

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now what I wanted, what I
think is is the best thing that we

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do. Let's circle back here for
a moment, because at the end of

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the day, let's think about what
the bottom line is, all right,

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where are we aligned? What's the
wheelhouse? Where do we you know,

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Let's you and me touch base on
this and kind of work on that that

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you know, on the holistic approach
to furthering the branding and the entertainment value

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of the entertainment concept that we are
that we are currently in the process of

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development of develop thing all right,
because we are constantly developing. He gives,

406
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.240
you know, a lie. He
then launches into a description of what

407
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.039
the company is. We are listening, you know, you know this.

408
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:18.839
We are a publicly traded developmental program
of entertaining and entertainment properties. Uh you

409
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.759
know, yeah, no one knows
that. Listen, I understand. And

410
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:29.119
you know what listen you are.
You are that next gen r O I

411
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:36.799
that w W E needs. That's
right, that's right, or russo on

412
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.279
investment. All right, So here's
just let me just have just give me

413
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.680
the script for a moment. I
just want to I just want to touch

414
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:52.960
it. Let me let me have
it for a moment. Okay, yeah,

415
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.519
yeah, this is this is good. This is good, this is

416
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.319
good. Let me just take I'm
just going to take a gander on it,

417
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:02.039
kind of see what what what you
know? What you got here?

418
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:06.799
And I see okay, very good, very good, very good. Patterson.

419
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:15.759
Patterson got it. He's got the
pages and we're not talking about White

420
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:21.440
House pages. So fuck all right. And it's gonna be called rope opera,

421
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.279
Okay, of course it is.
And he really wants to do this

422
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:26.759
thing, and he wants to do
it outside of the control of Vince,

423
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:33.279
and Vince wants to basically rewrite it, of course, and he's pissed about

424
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.079
this because he thinks this is his
chance, because you know, Vince Rousseau

425
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.279
is like a lot of people in
wrestling, they kind of deep down think

426
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:45.799
that they're capable of being real Hollywood. You know how that goes. Big

427
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.599
fan of the movies, big fan
of Hollywood screenwriting, you know's course something

428
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.640
we all are. We all are
so and suddenly WWE, while facilitating the

429
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.400
opportunity in so many ways, is
standing in the way of him taking full

430
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.799
advantage of it. Typical story where
Vince kind of reminds you that like when

431
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.480
comes to shows, he will he
will go to the grave trying to prove

432
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:10.039
that you are not anything without him. And I think he's got victories in

433
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:14.400
ninety five percent of those come to
Jesus moments, and so you can't almost

434
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.640
can't blame him for having that perspective. This was Vincrusso's turn. And then

435
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.200
it becomes about I want a million
more dollars to write smack Down a year

436
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:23.759
because I can't do it. Then
it becomes about how I never see my

437
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.000
kids and my wife's gonna you know, leave me or whatever the fuck it

438
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.119
is. Right then it becomes about, you know, the talent is difficult

439
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.519
to execute my vision, and Stone
Cold has an injury that I'm specious of

440
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.519
because I hear him in the background
talking to all his friends and laughing and

441
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.240
hunting while he's telling me on the
phone he can't do what I've proposed because

442
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.279
he's hurt. He puts that little
dig in this book for example, that's

443
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.799
when Russo starts starting into the guy
that no one is going to execute what

444
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.519
I want to do anyway, and
so I'm being set up for failure.

445
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.000
You know, no one is as
quick to come to the conclusion that he's

446
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.920
being set up for failure than Vince
Ruso. Yep, of course. And

447
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.559
so that's what started to happen at
this precise point in WWF. If if

448
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.559
I'm reading t leaves correctly, and
I'm pretty sure i am, I mean

449
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.720
from their own books, in their
own mouths. So all that is the

450
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.960
backdrop to him eventually, you know, leaving WWF overnight, you know,

451
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.680
leaving a taping, going to Atlanta, reaching the deal with WCW, and

452
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.240
then telling Vince over the phone right
after cutting the deal, that I'm basically

453
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:18.519
not going to be at TV on
Monday, and I've signed with WCW,

454
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.720
and that's that. And Vince makes
a couple of attempts to counteroffer, and

455
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:27.039
he's gone, makes good money and
we all know where that goes from there.

456
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.240
By the end of nineteen ninety nine, he's and in the very very

457
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:36.119
beginning of two thousand, he's already
pushed out of the booking position at WCW.

458
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.160
Has to find his way back in
via an alliance with Eric Bischoff.

459
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.000
But that's all you know in the
archives elsewhere like the Star Kid memorial to

460
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.359
or Bash the Beach two thousand,
et cetera. But here is that moment

461
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.880
of truth in so many ways for
a Vince Russo, who you know,

462
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:56.160
had his in promat on everything that
epitomizes the Attitude era, you know,

463
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.759
the style of promos, the speed
of the television, the amount of backstage

464
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.480
vine in this pay per view,
you see like Luna and Ivory having a

465
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.440
backstage brawl, you know, you
see Mullah and Young involved in physical angles.

466
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.720
You see. Know, it's so
ridiculous. It's such a fucking I

467
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:17.119
mean, it's it's attitude. It's
attitude. It's attitude known so many ways,

468
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.880
and you were very right to put
your signpost at fully Loaded nineteen ninety

469
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.119
nine as a period where things started
to shift, where we can look back

470
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.480
and say, Okay, that's when
the kind of chain of events that results

471
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.599
in the rest of nineteen ninety nine
were truly set in motion. And we'll

472
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.680
go back to that here here in
just a moment before we continue our table

473
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.759
setting for Unforgiven nineteen ninety nine.
We are of course obliged to remind you

474
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:42.920
here at TLF that Patreon dot com
slash the lapsed Fan is fucking rocking.

475
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.839
Yes it is. And we've got
premium live events and premium live calls up

476
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the wazoo coming up for your consumption
from Saudi Arabia and France. Are you

477
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:57.880
excited about these? Just the time
of daily shows? Ye, they're really

478
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:02.559
going to test God, God bless
Cody because he's gonna have to fucking singer

479
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.079
swim right now. Yeah. You
got you know, you've got Seth going

480
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.839
out with the knee injury. You've
got Becky, you know, basically taking

481
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.920
a hiatus. You've got rear Ripley
separating her shoulder. You've got the rock

482
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.480
disappearing to go make the smashing machine. Yeah, we've got Roman Reigns on

483
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:21.160
vacation for an untold amount of time, for three years. Probably we're gonna

484
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.759
really figure this thing out quick in
terms of whether yep, a new era

485
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.319
indeed was set in place in Philadelphia
or not. Is Cody gonna be able

486
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.119
to take it? Is he gonna
be able to handle it? Is he

487
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.799
gonna be able to do business?
We'll be here to render the lapse judgment

488
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.400
for those who join us on Patreon. Of course, alliver are on the

489
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.200
ground reporting from Philadelphia, including some
wonderful interviews with folks at Wrestle Khan as

490
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.279
well as some people that remember the
old days of taping TV at Allentown,

491
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.400
all the rest of that stuff available
for you there, and of course under

492
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.960
the cinemat very much belly of Rails. Oh yes, it's that bond Journey,

493
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.799
tell him about it. It is. It's Carnies are forever we are.

494
00:32:52.920 --> 00:33:00.160
We are chronicling twenty one of the
twenty five or twenty six James On

495
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.799
films in existence, actually twenty seven
twenty seven bonds, because we we are

496
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:09.039
including the ones that are that are
sort of the as I've said, the

497
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:16.400
Rogue Bond films that were released.
Yes, and we just did On Her

498
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:22.240
Majesty's Secret Service, which I really
really enjoyed. It was a good movie,

499
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.519
wasn't it. I think it's gonna
be my favorite. We'll see.

500
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.119
Yeah, it's a very it's very
good. It's a very good movie.

501
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:32.279
It's a it's very underrated. It's
a lot of fun, takes, risks,

502
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:37.039
it absolutely does. It's darker than
than than most of the other Bonds.

503
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.880
And you know, and we had
our one and done bond with with

504
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.160
mister George Lazenby, and uh,
he was quite a trip. And tell

505
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:50.079
the folks about who the wrestler in
the movie is the wrestler, Yes,

506
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.960
the wrestler in On Her Majesty's Secret
Service, Yuri Borenkle. What you know

507
00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.480
about Yuri Bodrienko besides nothing, no
googling, no cheating, You don't know

508
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.039
nothing about this man. We're going
to do something about that under the cinemat.

509
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.320
We're gonna do everything we can.
You know, he's it's it's definitely

510
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.880
it's He's definitely a challenge, that's
for sure. And you know, there's

511
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.960
gonna be a lot of challenges there. There's there are some guys that are

512
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.880
that are being really dug up again, but we'll see. I love doing

513
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:25.079
that. That's always part of the
fun is is really is expanding the knowledge

514
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:30.360
of of what we of what we
maybe know about these guys. Maybe re

515
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:35.760
rehashing some guy's uh uh uh a
wrestling career when he's been basically dead and

516
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.239
dead and or forgotten. Yes,
so that's always a lot of fun.

517
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:44.519
So it's Yeah, as someone who
really never took in a complete Bond film

518
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:45.760
from beginning to end, I can
tell you, if you're anywhere in my

519
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.360
camp, if you've been so wrestling
obsessed your life, for your life that

520
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.519
you can't even fucking make time watch
the Bond. Of course, under the

521
00:34:54.559 --> 00:35:00.519
cinemat is the opportunity to normalize that
missing part of your personality wrestling you of

522
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:05.400
And I just have been able to
see so many pivotal and important films because

523
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.960
of this project. And of course, yeah, it's been fun. Long

524
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.119
may it continue? So many more
Bonds to come? Right? I mean,

525
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.400
what how many more bonds? I
mean we're in uh what this was

526
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.079
our fifth? I think so far
we've got we get sixteen more to go.

527
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.679
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the problem. We don't real last

528
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560
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to get a request to us to
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569
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tlf X come for the wrestling stay
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570
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do have a carnisar Forever shirt for
this for the cinemat dive. We've got

571
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we got one for I did literally
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572
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We have a lapse fan lapsed and
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573
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exactly, So uh, virgin Mania, get your virgin Mania, you know,

574
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.000
speaking of which to yeah, the
you know, rest and peace,

575
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:14.320
celebrate the legacy of Virgil as we
are doing over at Wrestle Mamia right now.

576
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.000
Oh tell them about it. That's
a very only to our moat team

577
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:22.800
members on Patreon. We are we
are I. I took the opportunity too

578
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:32.000
to do a four match dive with
with my mom and go through kind of

579
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:42.000
the highlights of the Virgil DBS feud
as our little tribute and it goes from

580
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.400
registers with kind of like a disinterested
party like her totally. Oh yeah,

581
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.800
for sure. I mean she's but
she you know, she knows Virgil because

582
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.280
of the whole party, So there's
a very there's a you know, she's

583
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:58.239
got a connection with that, so
it is it is kind of funny.

584
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:04.239
So we're doing we get the Rumbo
ninety one tag match of course, then

585
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:09.760
there's the SummerSlam match and then that
one just dropped, so people will have

586
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.000
or no, that one was last
week. The one that just dropped would

587
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:19.800
have been the rematch, the rematch
on Primetime Wrestling where DEBIASI wins back the

588
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.480
belt. Wow, what you know
about Debase winning the million dollar title back

589
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.679
from Virgil winning back from Virgil?
And then we close it off with the

590
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:35.280
Tuesday and Texas tag match with Vergin, Mattador versus Deebes and the Repo Man.

591
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.920
If you're out there on the sidelines
of Wrestle Mommy and think who would

592
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:42.639
want to listen to a mother of
this guy talk about the matches, I

593
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:47.239
would say to you two things.
A everyone who does would be an answer

594
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:53.639
to that question, Yes, and
B you comes soon. Yes. Wrestle

595
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:59.920
mom unbelievable. It's like being back
on the living room carpet yep watching rest

596
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.039
sing in a room full of people
that just no matter how often they see

597
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:07.639
it, don't understand. They can't
make it make sense because it's ludicrous.

598
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.039
I can't. I can't tell you
how many times I've had to explain to

599
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:20.320
my mom how a pin fall works. She says, you know, she'll

600
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.599
see a guy on the ground on
the mat on his stomach with nobody covering

601
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:32.679
him. Why isn't the referee counting? Well, Mom, he's not well,

602
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.800
number one, he's the ground.
You can't just be on the ground

603
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:42.719
like you. You know, well, I don't understand. Well okay,

604
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.400
mom. First of all, he's
going to be on his back. Oh,

605
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:46.360
he has to be on his back, Yes, Mom, I told

606
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.679
you that last time. Oh,
I see. Okay, So he needs

607
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.239
to be on his back. I
see, and his shoulders have to be

608
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.199
on the mat. Oh oh I
see, I see, And he has

609
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:00.320
to cover the guy. That's the
whole idea, is going to pin the

610
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.320
guy. Mom. Amazing, amazing, just rocking and rolling in all fronts,

611
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:07.519
all cylinders firing. You know where
to find us, don't front,

612
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.760
don't front. You know where to
find us to get that full experience.

613
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.559
And to say nothing of the fact
that for your Patreon dollar you get ad

614
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.480
free versions of this podcast. Yes, you get our you know, second

615
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.159
part of two parters before anybody else. Yes, you get the monthly live

616
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:27.280
calls as we watch modern WW So
you don't have to. Yes, it's

617
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.199
very basic what you should be doing. So with those public service announcements out

618
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.280
of the way, now the little
lapsed hygiene has been attended to take us

619
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:37.519
back to fully loaded. Boss.
You mentioned it already, and I'm glad

620
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.360
you did, because that was going
to start. Yeah, well, why

621
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:43.559
do you remember this show is kind
of putting us in the direction we end

622
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.840
up in a unforgiven ninety nine?
Well, because it was it really it

623
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.400
was the finale, you know,
it was. It was the they hyped

624
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.400
it up as the finale of the
Austin McMahon feud. It was they were

625
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.880
finally putting a cap on it.
And the idea was it was a championship

626
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:07.039
match, Austin defending the title against
Undertaker. I mean also, by the

627
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:08.639
way, the amount of fucking times, it's like, you know, you

628
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.960
talk about missing a week of television
and all of a sudden, right,

629
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.840
you know, you don't fucking know, like that's what happened. Like I

630
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:21.000
didn't see the raw after Owen died. I had no fucking idea that Undertaker

631
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:22.400
won the world title. Oh my
god, no fucking it. All of

632
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.599
a sudden, Undertaker has the championship
belt, Like what is going on here?

633
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.719
And then and then like I missed
the raw after King of the Ring

634
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.920
and all of a sudden, Austin's
got the title back and I'm like,

635
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.679
what where did this happen? What
happened here? I'll just say when we

636
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.000
approaching Attitudarra's show, it is so
much more daunting from a research perspective than

637
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.840
some of the courts from the eighties
and nineties were, like, you know,

638
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.079
things happen and the leads up to
shows. But I mean here,

639
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:51.679
it's like you have to remember so
much, you have to recall and review

640
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.199
and revisit and redocument so much.
Oh yeah, to put yourself back into

641
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.079
the skin you were wearing at the
time, which is what we try a

642
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:00.639
hardest to do here. And it's
like on Hiss attitude, it's like,

643
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:06.559
oh my god, there's like fifty
thousand considerations. Oh it's absurd, it

644
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:12.440
is. But yes, so many
people who have who turned around and told

645
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.000
their story and shoot interviews and books
and all kinds of different formats, and

646
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.719
it's like everyone's perspective is there.
It's not like there's only you know,

647
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.480
two or three people who are around
who have told their stories in a fulsome

648
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.159
way to get your hands around,
and it's like everybody, everybody at some

649
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.199
point was paid to talk about this
time period. It was so hot,

650
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:37.199
yep, yep. It was like
the whole shooting interview industry was basically founded

651
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.280
on the idea of people shooting on
what it was like backstage during the Attitude

652
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.880
era. Yeah, I mean that's
it was so. I mean because the

653
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.679
idea is like if it's if it's
so chaotic on TV, how chaotic is

654
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:55.159
it backstage? Like what could possibly
account for how this TV ended up?

655
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.199
What was happening back there where this
was what you had to put in front

656
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:05.480
of people, right and so yeah, So like I remember when they were

657
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.559
built, when they were hyping that
up. Austin had just won he was

658
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.840
the champion again, and they were
he was defending the title against Entertaker in

659
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.960
a first blood match, which was
like and I'll tell you what I remember

660
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:23.079
the most was was kind of being
let down by the fact that number one

661
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.960
Vince McMahon's I mean, I get
what they were trying to do. They're

662
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:32.400
trying to hype up the fact that
any show is a big show, But

663
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:40.320
I was like, why is why
is Man's time on television being like put

664
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.480
up on a fucking b show,
right, you know? And big stipulation?

665
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.239
Yeah, and why a first blood
match like Why is this a straight

666
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.199
fucking wrestling match? It just felt
so lame. Well, you know,

667
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:58.000
Russo is, you know, pretty
preoccupied with beating stipulations on things. I

668
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.360
get it, but like, listen, I'm all about that. I don't

669
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.960
even mind. Like, to me, what was missing was that there wasn't

670
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.679
like first blood matches. But why
not have it a cage match? Why

671
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.239
don't have it a hell want to
sell? Why don't have it a fucking

672
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.800
Usually first ut is to get someone
out of having to do something approximating a

673
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.760
clean job. I guess, I
guess. I mean you could do that

674
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:22.840
with a cage match too, where
a guy climbs out of the ring like,

675
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.119
don't gets pinned, you know.
But like I was just so disappointed

676
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.039
that it was a first blood match, like that doesn't that to me fell

677
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:37.760
so underwhelming for the epic Yeah,
for the stakes and the epic finale of

678
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.079
Austin and McMahon. It just didn't
feel right. Yeah. Well, you

679
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.480
just you kind of sense that even
though they would deliver a finish that that

680
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:51.159
that wouldn't be the state of play
for every long after the show leaves,

681
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:52.760
you're like, this is not a
major show. This is not a clean

682
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:57.280
finish. This is gimmicked up,
and sure enough, within like two or

683
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.559
three weeks, everything that was kind
of resolved here is in quiet again and

684
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:02.440
up in the air again. Yeah, and Steve Austin, you know,

685
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.840
basically goes back on banishing Vince McMahon
as a result of this outcome. So

686
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.400
in the match, let's see,
well, the higher Power right had come

687
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:16.280
in and that was revealed to be
Vince McMahon and then Linda and Stephanie team

688
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:23.239
up to fuck him over. Linda
resigns as CEO and they give Austin the

689
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.719
reins right. So Steve Austin is
now the CEO of Wweyes in the summer

690
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.199
of nineteen ninety nine, and there's
a handicapped lader match at King of the

691
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:37.119
Ring for control of WWE. Austin
loses that one, and then on the

692
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.559
June twenty eighth raw, McMahon names
Triple H number one contender to Undertaker's title

693
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.039
and announces that Austin would be fired
as CEO going down to the bottom of

694
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.440
the ladder. So I feel like, if we really want to trace the

695
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.440
first instances of like they're really going
to push Triple H. It was it

696
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.960
was late June of nineteen ninety nine
where they were mentioning him as somebody that

697
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:01.440
was in contention for the championship.
Of course, turned on Kin at WrestleMania

698
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:08.880
fifteen and broke off from DX and
right he pretty much killed that night.

699
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.960
DX died really WrestleMania fifteen, I
think, or or maybe it was a

700
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.480
little bit later. What did he
give? Did he give Waltman a pedigree?

701
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:20.400
It was against Kane? What was
the deal there? I'm trying to

702
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:27.679
remember he gave Yeah, Well it
was uh no. So what happened It

703
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:35.079
was so fucking nuts. So what
happened was China had turned on Triple H

704
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:39.519
right in like January, and they
reunited here all right, And then in

705
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:45.159
the Triple H faced Kine yep,
Triple H beat Kine I think with China's

706
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.519
help, and they reunited and everyone
was happy. Degeneration access here Da Da

707
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:55.320
Da Da. Then Xbox Defending is
going for the European title, which was

708
00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.480
held by Shane McMahon. That's it, and ble Age comes out seemingly to

709
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:07.440
help x POC instead turns on XPOC
and it's revealed that that's it. Triple

710
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.079
H and China had were part of
the corporation. I forgot it was both

711
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:14.320
in the same show. That's why
I was getting it was dirt. It

712
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.239
was one match, double whammy.
It was so bonkers, yep, right,

713
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.960
And so that turned out to be
them setting in motion triple h and

714
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:22.760
China being like, you know the
headline act in the whole company really yes,

715
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.400
yeah, sure, And so that
that that teas again comes on June

716
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.880
twenty eighth on Raw, and Austin
says that he actually had signed himself to

717
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.719
a new contract which gives him the
ability to beat up Vince whenever he wants

718
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:37.880
to. Yes, and he knew
this would come. He knew the day

719
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.400
would come when the when the mcmans
would try to take the power away from

720
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:44.000
him or Vince would try to take
this power away from him. Yeah,

721
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.880
yep, And so kind of an
anticipation of this, he books himself in

722
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:52.480
a title match against the Undertaker.
Where night was that night? It was

723
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.079
that night? Yeah? Oh,
same night? Yeah okay, yeah yeah

724
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.559
yeah he yeah, He says,
I get the title shot at that night

725
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.199
and then he wins back the belt. That's like the biggest rating robber did

726
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.039
that night. Yes, when when
Austin beats Undertaker for the title on the

727
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:14.000
show, that's massive, like Russo
would do that, man like him.

728
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:16.800
Vince beating Triple H for the title
on SmackDown Like to me, first and

729
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:21.840
foremost, that was like Vince's feeling
the pressure to do a massive SmackDown rating

730
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:23.960
and he would fucking switch the world
title on TV if he had to.

731
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:28.800
Oh yeah, that was that was
kind of it, Like and listen,

732
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.800
there was a there was an appeal
to that, like there was absolutely the

733
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:36.400
idea that you know, I do
kind of like killing, like the world

734
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.760
title could change hands on TV.
I exactly, you know, like there

735
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:45.039
was there was a sense of that. And and the first time that happened,

736
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:46.159
the first time I ever felt like
that, and I was like,

737
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:52.159
holy shit, this happened on TV
was when when Austin screwed Brett Hart out

738
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.960
of the title ninety seven. Yeah, totally, you know, And and

739
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:04.480
that was that was kind of like
there was just a there wasn't unpredictability,

740
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.639
like you you know, you weren't
you weren't conditioned to know that it's not

741
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.639
it's on TV, it's not going
to happen like you were like, you

742
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.079
know what I don't think it'll happen, but man, it really could happen.

743
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.519
Yeah, it was I never know. These guys were suddenly less in

744
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:22.079
control of their destiny. They couldn't
have the secure life knowing we've only got

745
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.360
to defend the title on big shows, like they could be mobilized into putting

746
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.159
it all on the line any given
week. Yep, yep. And there

747
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.960
was definitely power in that and that
you know, that happened because it was

748
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:37.119
so competitive between WWF and WCW to
do big ratings, that that sid title

749
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.360
win came because they changed their mind
on how Wrestling of thirteen was going to

750
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:43.760
come together and needed to do it
on TV because there really wasn't chance to

751
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.920
build it as an interim change.
But but we were the bet officiaries,

752
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:49.360
you know, when they had those
mid course corrections, they wanted to change

753
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.360
things, they would just change the
world title on TV. And it was

754
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.280
fucking incredible. I mean, Goldberg
Hogan, right, I mean, it's

755
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.280
not just a WBF we're talking about
here. And as destructive as that may

756
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.840
have been from a business perspective,
in terms of how much more money could

757
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:02.039
have made of Goldberg to throning Hogan
if they planned on it, built to

758
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.519
it, and didn't just use it
to impress the the execs who came to

759
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:08.920
the Georgia down for that show.
In one last hurrah for WCW, one

760
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.440
last ratings victory. For all intents
and purposes, they won one more time,

761
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:16.440
but that was pretty much it.
Still it doesn't It doesn't take away

762
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:20.119
from the fact that Luger beating Hogan
for the title in the August ninety seven

763
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:24.079
Nitro yep, gives me life.
It gives me life to do that occasionally.

764
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.079
They haven't done that in years.
I think the last time I did

765
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:31.800
was I remember it was a raw
in like December when Roman beat Triple H

766
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:37.440
after spearing Vince off the apron they
like put Vince in the angle and over

767
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:38.639
the top. Yes, I remember
that. I remember that because he was,

768
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:42.000
you know, he was just plateauing. Like people were just like,

769
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.079
no, this is not the guy
we are going to get behind as a

770
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.320
superhero. It's not going to happen. And Vince stepped in there and did

771
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.639
it again, got the guy over
and I say it lasted. But on

772
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.199
that night people going absolutely insane that
Roman took the belt and they just haven't

773
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.599
really done it since anyway. Yep, this is an arrow that was very

774
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:00.800
much up for grabs, and you
tuned in every Monday Expectator, you know,

775
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:05.079
with a twenty percent chance that the
world title would change hands. Yeah,

776
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.280
that's that's the truth. Like,
you know, there was that possibility.

777
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.639
There's something he said for that.
When it comes as the product of

778
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.440
disorganization, I'm not going to praise
it, but when you're just watching,

779
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:21.079
it's fucking exciting. Yes, So, like you said that, this this

780
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:27.880
landmark show ends up with Steve Austin
hoisting the championship once again, and and

781
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.320
then that was that was that,
and then they go forward and then the

782
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:35.079
First Blood Challenge comes for Fully Loaded, and then that's when Vincen's adds the

783
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.719
stipulation that if Taker wins that match, Austin would never get another title shot.

784
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:45.480
Yeah, and if Austin wins,
McMahon would step away for good.

785
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.679
That's the way they put it,
I think. And Austin wins the match,

786
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.159
and Vince, i mean does Vince. Yeah, he pretty much disappears

787
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.559
in television, right. Oh yeah, he's gone, he's gone, He's

788
00:53:54.599 --> 00:54:00.039
gone until until the until Triple H
has the bell to and they do the

789
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:07.880
whole gimmick of him uh coming,
you know, get challenging for the belt.

790
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.920
Yeah, what was what did he
do? What? What in humanity

791
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:16.519
did he That's a good question.
I don't remember off the top of my

792
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:21.079
head. It was to do with
I mean, I think it was something

793
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.000
to do with the family. It
definitely did. I don't remember it was

794
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:28.760
just before before he was messing around
with Stephanie though. Oh yeah, yeah,

795
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:31.280
that didn't happen to like something about
in November, perhaps Linda for sure,

796
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:34.920
Linda was around. Yeah, so
he's like, you know, this

797
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.760
rogue element all of a sudden,
like tempting Vince to come into his family.

798
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.079
I remember Vince was a baby face
here on Yes, Yeah, when

799
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.519
he came back, it was like, all of a sudden, he was

800
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:52.039
this babyface. Yeah. And so
it's clear that SummerSlam is going to be

801
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.679
Triple HS night, or at least
the idea is that this is going to

802
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:59.599
be a breakthrough night for him.
And you know, you're watching the television

803
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.039
and you're get the strong impression even
though Austin has the strap. They get

804
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:07.119
to the first raw of August nineteen
ninety nine, when Austin tweaks his knee,

805
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.000
according to a Mixed Week this book, and the knee injury throws into

806
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:15.679
question a whole lot of things about
SummerSlam, mostly you know, if they

807
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.800
can count on on Steve to do
a you know, a Summer Slam pay

808
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.800
per view quality match. People are
kind of skeptical about whether that was Austin

809
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.519
just you know, trying to take
that injury and use it opportunistically to not

810
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.360
have to switch the belt. He
was not a big fan of Triple Ah.

811
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:31.239
It's pretty clear now. Other words, the Rock by the way,

812
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.639
Yeah and DX basically try to fuck
with Rocky when he came up in ninety

813
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.800
six and ninety seven for no good
reason. And so I think the tension

814
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:43.400
can continues to this day between Rock
and Triple H and unspoken tension and a

815
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.679
competitiveness between the two that is sort
of like, you know, who can

816
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:51.000
edge their way into the screen for
the big moments more right, and Rock

817
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.599
kind of pretending that he's going to
share the spotlight with Triple H, like

818
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.440
that fake rod a Rowsey thing they
did where they're going to do a tag

819
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.880
match, Oh yes, an angle
yep, yep. Never quite ends up

820
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:04.119
being Rock and Triple H face to
face in the middle of the ring.

821
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.599
Does it. No, not at
all. Doesn't end up happening that way

822
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:13.800
somehow, No, sorry, guys, and Triple H becomes chief treative Officer

823
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.480
and COO or whatever, and here
comes rock Board member, Thank you very

824
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:22.119
much, fucking millions of dollars worth
of stock over the top relationship with Nick

825
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:25.440
con that predates it. Amazing how
this is all played out. But this

826
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.239
is sort of the germantive stage of
all that, and we're seeing more and

827
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:30.760
more of Triple H, and it's
clear that SummerSlam is going to be a

828
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.840
big night for him. However it
takes shape, Austin gets hurt. We

829
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.800
also have mcfully inserted into the match
out of pretty much nowhere for reasons it

830
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.280
would become clear later. And there's
also the Jesse ventory element, which I'm

831
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:45.320
sure we talked about. I'm a
little foggy on SummerSlam ninety nine. Well,

832
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:46.840
you know, I think it's very
fitting that I was a third man

833
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.639
in the ring. Well, I
was the fourth man, but traditionally the

834
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.239
third man in the ring. I'll
be talking to you about this bigger party.

835
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.960
We've got two parties in the ring
that I want to be refereeing it.

836
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.760
AM not so sure that sends the
right message. I think, you

837
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:02.360
know, I think we're going to
have more parties than that. I believe,

838
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.599
you know, I don't believe in
a two party system, right or

839
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:09.320
two party man event for that better
not in Minneapolis. You know we're talking

840
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:15.320
about Hey, I you know I'm
I'm the reform party. You know,

841
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:21.920
I think we should reform SummerSlam.
What do you say? Right? Well,

842
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.079
I say, fine, what do
we do? Okay, I guess

843
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.480
we can reform it? But what
do you what do you what do you

844
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.239
what do you suggest? Jess what
what? What bright idea do you have?

845
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:37.000
I think we need to have a
third party in the match? In

846
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:43.320
the match? Uh okay, So
you're you're saying we need to have a

847
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:45.719
triple threat match, is what you're
saying? No no, no, no,

848
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.760
no no no. I'm saying we
need to have a third party match.

849
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:59.480
I say, what would that be? The Robtarius primary? So can

850
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:05.719
you can you can you explain how
the Well there's a guy named Gary Johnson.

851
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:09.440
Well let's start from the top.
How are you feeling about politics these

852
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:17.280
days? Vinsick Man, Well,
that's that'll that'll be mine pretty soon too,

853
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:22.679
thank you. I mean we're talking
about, you know, taxes,

854
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.880
we're talking about lowering taxes for the
ww superstars. Woll whoa, whoa,

855
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.239
whoa. Wait wait a minute,
wait a minute. Unforgiven ninety nine,

856
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:35.599
what's the most likely thing that's going
to be said? I vote? Jesse

857
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:46.480
Ventura says, we're talking about taxes. Oh god, yeah, it makes

858
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:52.079
sense. So the notion is that's
been talked about is that as a sitting

859
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.159
governor of Minnesota, which of course
Ventura was at the time, it wasn't

860
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.519
great politics for him to stand in
the middle of the ring and raise the

861
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:00.360
hand of a heel triple ah to
winning the World championship and you know,

862
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.159
sort of standing by while a heel
triumphs. That's one thread that people have

863
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:07.440
suggested, I'm not sure ever confirmed, but strongly suggested, was at play

864
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.199
as to why suddenly mankind had to
be added to the match. If you

865
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:14.960
read fully second book, you also
hear this thing of what what Ventura had

866
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:16.480
cold feet about was not so much
raising a heel's hand, but what he

867
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:21.360
was worried about was what it would
look like for him to get physically involved

868
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:24.440
in a wrestling angle and a wrestling
match as a governor that somehow doing this

869
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:30.119
is one thing, but getting involved
in like the hooplah of physicality is another

870
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.000
and perhaps a bridge too far for
him politically. I don't get it,

871
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:34.800
but he took a lot of heat
doing this. I mean, he was

872
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:37.199
a sitting governor. He's getting paid
to show up in WWF. He's clearly

873
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:44.679
using the prestige of the office here
and getting this opportunity and getting paid for

874
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:46.760
it. And it's in the state
he governs in. It's all you know,

875
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:50.360
you can really make hay out of
it if you want to. Anyway,

876
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.400
I'm going to use a WWE raw
program as a platform to get over

877
00:59:54.519 --> 01:00:01.559
some Minnesota's political ideal. Sure,
no problem with that. I believe he

878
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:06.320
suggested the Triple AHB managed not by
China this night, but Norm Coleman.

879
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:12.599
I think you know what I think
is fair. I think it's fair for

880
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.280
the losers to be to be of
the triple threat match, to be managed

881
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:21.239
by the guys that lost to me
in the debates. In the debates,

882
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.639
so they won. They let him
in this debate, that's for sure.

883
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.920
You're damn right, And they won't
let me in anymore. I'll tell you

884
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:31.199
that whenever I run for president for
vice president of the United States of America,

885
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:34.719
they won't let me in the debates. They won't let me in the

886
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.440
debates. Unbelievable, And so Foley
says that once they get to the show,

887
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:39.800
for some reason, Jesse gets like
a fuck this attitude, I'll do

888
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:42.760
whatever you want. If I'm going
to take all kinds of heat for this

889
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.239
anyway, which I try to avoid, then I might as well lead in

890
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:46.599
and have fun with it. And
so by the time they get to SummerSlam,

891
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:51.599
he's grabbing Shane McMahon by the scruff
of his neck and launching him over

892
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:53.440
the top rope. If you remember
in that main event and getting involved in

893
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:57.000
all kinds of ways that it sounded
like he was sort of shy about it

894
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.199
initially. And so the Ventura thing
is a big factor, although it's hard

895
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:04.519
to tell exactly how much weight to
give it and why we didn't get Austin

896
01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.239
Triple H one on one with Triple
H going over at SummerSlam and instead Mankind

897
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.400
getting plugged in and getting his hand
raised. Now, all that is to

898
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:14.960
say that Triple H had set in
motion, a series of hints on television

899
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.840
that he was quickly going to become
the guy. Do you remember the aforementioned

900
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.119
sit down interview with Jim Ross.
It's just the same thing they did with

901
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.280
when Mankind became the breakthrough. Start
with JR. Sitting down and no,

902
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:25.760
I don't remember that at all.
This is where he first says the game.

903
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:30.320
I'm pretty sure he's sitting there with
his black leather Caangle hat on backwards.

904
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.800
That was a wonderful time to be
watching Triple H. That hat was

905
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.559
such a good idea. And here
he is, right. I don't need

906
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:43.760
anybody else, JR. This is
about me. I don't need to be

907
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.079
in a Click anymore. I don't
need to be in DX anymore. This

908
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:52.800
is about me. It's about me
reaching my goals. You know. And

909
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.519
while we're at it, this goes
back a long way, Jar. This

910
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.840
goes back to the Click. This
goes back to Madison Square Garden, me

911
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:07.079
walking in the ring and saying goodbye
to my friends four years ago. You're

912
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:08.559
damn right. It's four years ago, and every day it's eating a hole

913
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:14.159
in my stomach, Jar, every
single day. What your language? What

914
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:16.119
you want me to shoot? With
his interview. I'm gonna shoot with I'm

915
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.480
gonna tell you how I feel,
whether you like it or not. It's

916
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.320
about four years ago Madison Square Garden. I walked to the ring to say

917
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:30.039
goodbye to my friend Scott Hall Sean
Michaels, who got punished for that jar.

918
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.000
You know why, because you don't
have nobody in the office had that

919
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.079
to do it to anybody else.
They did it to me. Why because

920
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:40.920
I was the easy one. I
was the one that would take it.

921
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.639
Good old Triple Ace. He'll rise
to the occasion later on. Don't worry

922
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:47.400
about it. He'll come through.
We can take care of that. Now,

923
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.079
punish him, get rid of that. He'll come back later. Well,

924
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.760
you know what, that makes me
sick in my stomach every time I

925
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:59.840
look at you guys. It makes
me sick to think what you did to

926
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:04.440
me holding me back. You guys
talk about being students of the game.

927
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:09.800
I am the game Jr. There
is nobody that eats, sleeps, or

928
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:15.039
breathes this business more than me.
And now it's my time to prove that

929
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:20.440
to the world. SummerSlam is my
time to take what is mine, and

930
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:25.280
that is becoming the WWF champion.
I think it's his time. Uh well,

931
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:34.000
maybe let me check my check.
Is this on? Better hit me

932
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:35.840
with that triple H? Hit me, hit me a little bit of that

933
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.400
triple H. You better keep the
music playing, mister Dunn. A,

934
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:46.440
he's a character that's striking out against
the behind the scenes producers. Okay,

935
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:51.159
so but but here's the thing.
So all right, so we're supposed to

936
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:57.800
then, okay, So this is
what I hate about, Like, yes,

937
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:02.440
there is an element of of of
you know, you know, behind

938
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:08.360
the scenes shit that I would get
a kick out of. But here's what

939
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:14.280
I don't understand. So he's saying
that he was punished. First of all,

940
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:19.119
the Madison Square Guarden incident was three
years prior, ninety six, ninety

941
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:30.039
five, and so he says he
was punished. And what I don't understand

942
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:33.679
is what was he being sure,
So how was he punished? Like,

943
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:38.840
I know how he was punished,
but what is he saying he was punished

944
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:44.559
for? Like if it's if it's
now because wrestling is fake and everything is

945
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:49.239
phony, you were punished by not
winning King of the Ring. Uh huh.

946
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:56.639
But if we're not going that far
in pulling back the curtain, right,

947
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.559
how were you punished? Exactly?
Well, right exactly if if you

948
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.679
can be if it's all so phony
that you you can't win King of the

949
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.159
Ring because a booker decided you're not
going to win King of the Ring,

950
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:11.280
then how are we supposed to see
you winning the title as now suddenly of

951
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:15.960
your making? Right now? How
are you the game now? Like I

952
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:20.679
don't understand, how are you know? I think it's sort of like,

953
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.440
you know, like you said,
I was the whipping boy. I was

954
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:28.000
the least risk to piss off and
be able to demonstrate to the locker room

955
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.719
that someone paid a price for this, so don't try it yourselves. But

956
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.239
at the same time, when you
when you when you see me in that

957
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:38.719
position in the political realm, you
never would have expected that I could navigate

958
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:42.280
my way into becoming WWF champion and
the top guy in the company. Yet

959
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.400
because of my guile here I am, you know, And I think that

960
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.400
that's what he's trying to say.
But it is kind of like I think

961
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:55.559
they assume people knew more about the
click stuff and gave a shit more about

962
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:58.280
the click stuff than they really did
in nineteen ninety nine. I think anyone

963
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:01.880
cares that he was punished. Nobody
fucking one cared about it. Everyone,

964
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:05.679
man, everyone thinks the click is
you know, they all think the click

965
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:11.679
was such a bigger deal than it
actually was in terms of the story for

966
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:17.039
people on Arammy Jerris is for your
More importantly, WWF completely rejiggered everything to

967
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:23.119
amazing returns. Like the whole,
the whole calling card of the WWF changed

968
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:26.840
from that time period so drastically that
it's so strange to call back to that,

969
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:29.199
you know, I mean, and
also to it figured it out.

970
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:31.039
It doesn't mean anything anymore because look, look what happened. The company rebounded.

971
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:35.719
It wasn't right partly because of you. It's like partly because of this

972
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:40.559
fucking guy. And it's like,
and you're harping on that shit when you

973
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.679
know you got to go and goof
off with your best friend for for a

974
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:48.199
while and uh and you know,
talk about penises and shit, sure did,

975
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:53.320
sure did. And so August twenty
second, ninety nine, SummerSlam Mankind

976
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.800
beats Steve Austin and Triple A to
the triple Threat match just even tour raises

977
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.760
his hand new champion. Next night, August twenty third, nineteen ninety nine

978
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.840
for the very first time, Triple
H becomes WWF champions. In so many

979
01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:08.320
ways, the company would never be
the same. The Rock, he's a

980
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:13.000
cold king the rock. Is it
rocked? Jack Kid? What a shame?

981
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:16.079
Man Kind's own as well. Referee
pulled down? All right, say

982
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.880
just just cold cock the referee.
Triple X now bag kind of the right,

983
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:26.199
Peder, great time, put a
great time. He got it Triple

984
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.519
X with a pedigree. This is
a label. Willet Bay, Willing Bay.

985
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:38.480
Yeah, triple es. But Dolly
and Kennedy us funnel finalay from here

986
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:46.239
right here, check please trample.
Finally it's happened, Michael Cock. Why

987
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:50.440
did that this happen? Yes,
Triplex has realized the dream. It's all

988
01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:58.599
about Triple H. He is now
nowhere restate Federation Chapions. Tripple just brought

989
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:02.280
off ship last night. He entered
Jim Ross tonight he destroyed man kind of

990
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:09.519
a run and he's won the dule
WFT Championship. Crimple HS realizing a career.

991
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:13.599
Thirl. I gotta tell you he's
focus on for months. Hey month,

992
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:19.640
I hopeusly Federation. I am somewhere
fresh unbelievable triple then you we're running

993
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:24.039
by marriage and Chicken. Here's what
happened at the end of the match up.

994
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:28.479
It was shaved with a chair,
but that triple Claire knocking out that

995
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:34.960
tie what's that from the rock and
that triple A juice the pedigrade. Shay's

996
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:40.680
a bad half with my way.
That's triple Ah. Realize he's this goal.

997
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.920
I'm winning the Dumpy Dums title.
It's his time now, it's trimple

998
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:49.840
ages tie y. I don't think
make said that enough. I wasn't sure

999
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:54.239
whose time it was. The talk
about driving it home. Huh Jesus Christ.

1000
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.600
They just like took the original SummerSlam
closing script and just used it the

1001
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.439
next night. Right, of course, he noted rock out with a chair

1002
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:01.960
who was commentating, and then he
knocked out fully with the chair and pined

1003
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:04.319
him with the pedigree and that was
it. And earlier in the show,

1004
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:08.279
as they referenced that, I do
remember, I do remember, thinking,

1005
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:12.920
you know, the way that they
had built up triple Ah. I do.

1006
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.399
I do remember now because it's funny. I don't remember exactly what happened

1007
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:19.800
on television, but I do remember
that when Summer Sound came about, I

1008
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:23.760
didn't I didn't watch it. I
didn't watch it, but I was like,

1009
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:28.119
oh, I bet Triple Ah is
gonna win the championship tonight. And

1010
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:31.840
then the next day I remember being
shocked that it was fully yeah, totally,

1011
01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:35.039
utterly shocked that it was fully totally. The only reason I would be

1012
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:38.520
shocked is if you were like,
win a minute, there's really no other

1013
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:41.920
reason for him to suddenly be added
to this match than for that express purpose.

1014
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:45.960
I didn't really I didn't that that
didn't even yeah, I didn't even

1015
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.800
click in my forehead. I just
thought, you know, they weren't a

1016
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.279
triple threat matches back then. It
was a big truth. You know,

1017
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:54.920
that's true too. They were very
in triple threat matches and adding that that

1018
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:59.439
extra element. I never really like. I like triple threat matches. They're

1019
01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:03.479
fine, but to me, they
they they don't add anything and they take

1020
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:09.239
away Oh yeah, definitely, you
know, like the one on one you

1021
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:13.439
know, showdown is always what's money
totally and they knew that. Yeah,

1022
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:15.039
I think that's probably part of what
they're signaling here. Even though they would

1023
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.800
overdo triple threat matches on the B
shows, I feel like when it came

1024
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.159
time for Big Four they're a little
more disciplined about that even in this era,

1025
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:24.520
not all the time, but when
it was a triple threat, you

1026
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:26.840
look and you realize why. It's
like okay, because this guy can't look

1027
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:29.920
rise and they want to get out
of it, right, So, yeah,

1028
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:30.960
Triple H is now the champ and
they're driving them that messaging. It

1029
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.439
was referenced there in the commentary that
at the beginning of that edition of Raw,

1030
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:35.680
Triple H took Jim Ross in the
middle of the ring and put him

1031
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:39.319
in like a key lock and like
a hammer lock, and he's gonna break

1032
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:42.039
his arm unless he got a title
shot, remember that. Yeah, And

1033
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.920
then he snaps and they actually played
like the sound of like celery cracking and

1034
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.359
put him a prosthetic arm in Jim
Ross's sleeve to make a look at his

1035
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:51.520
arm was hanging there. And so
Jo leaves the commentary position. And that's

1036
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:55.720
why Michael Cole is the voice of
that moment, because Triple H takes him

1037
01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:58.479
out at the beginning of that Raw
and then of course, you know,

1038
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:04.039
and symbolically taking out the number one
Steve Boston cheerleader too, because he would

1039
01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:08.479
make reference on promos Steve Austin's your
boy, right, it's about your boy,

1040
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:12.399
It's about support. It's like,
right, the fuck what wrestling fan

1041
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:15.600
watching TV back then wants to see
Jim Ross as an executive instead of an

1042
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.000
announcer who wants to think of him
as someone dictating the futures of you know,

1043
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:25.000
the wrestlers from like an executive president
of talent relations standpoint. But that

1044
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:26.920
was it was all his playbook,
you know. It's like, yeah,

1045
01:11:27.079 --> 01:11:31.159
you know, everyone's out to hold
me down. I'm looking around Trips,

1046
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:33.039
and it seems like you're the only
one that I'm not holding I know,

1047
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.159
it seems you seem you seem to
be doing fine on your own, pal,

1048
01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:41.239
Like, I don't you know,
nobody's holding you down as a regards

1049
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:45.159
SummerSlam. You know, it's it's
not Austin. I don't think he's ever

1050
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.479
talked about it. I've never seen
Steve Austin address like whether he was comfortable

1051
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.880
putting over Triple Late or not.
And I'm saying this with the hope,

1052
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:55.880
if not the expectation, that a
member of the Solar System will remember something

1053
01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:59.119
and dig it up, because I
know they've done interviews, they've done podcasts

1054
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.560
together, and stuff, But I
can never see like a very sharp point

1055
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:03.720
of Austin explaining, no, I
didn't want to lose to Triple H at

1056
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.600
SummerSlam, but you wouldn't anyway,
right, he'd make up other reasons to

1057
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:11.600
have to say that expressly. Although
I don't know he might. He might

1058
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.800
he might actually say that if he
now you know, he might. Yeah,

1059
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:17.319
he might say that now and say
like, yeah, you know,

1060
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:19.479
I just didn't think it was right. It was the right time for me

1061
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.319
to you know, a job a
triple H. Yeah, did think he

1062
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:26.560
was ready and he wasn't. He
wasn't. But the thing about being you're

1063
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.760
not ready to fucking get the belt, you know for the most part,

1064
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:30.560
I mean you don't know. You
don't know till they walk out with the

1065
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.680
belt, if they're if they're if
they're really championship material or not. You

1066
01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:39.159
always have to take that plunge.
There's always an element of like, okay,

1067
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.520
we're not quite ready for this,
but here here goes nothing. So

1068
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.880
they're Triple H. And I think
the closest we might get to sort of

1069
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.800
like you know, something we can
read between the lines and say, okay,

1070
01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:53.439
this pretty much was the prevailing mood
amongst the players at the time was

1071
01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:57.079
from a dvdww came out with like
Kingdom Come. It was like a triple

1072
01:12:57.159 --> 01:12:59.600
H career Retrost. Oh yeah,
sure, yeah, I think I saw

1073
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:00.760
that one. It was pretty good. And they did, of course,

1074
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.039
a documentary in his life and everything, starting when he was, you know,

1075
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:09.000
a teen bodybuilder in Nashua with just
an unbelievable amount of space between his

1076
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:14.199
eyes. Unbelieved, so true,
you go to Nashville High I'm almost positive

1077
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.840
he did. Yeah, that's fucking
crazy. He was like mister Nashua te

1078
01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.520
teen, New Hampshire whatever he was, and then got into you know,

1079
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:24.880
met Ted or CD, the former
WWF bodybuilder type of the eighties, and

1080
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.640
got introduced to Qualsky's wrestling school,
went to ww and from there to WWF

1081
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:33.920
And here he is on that documentary
on that DVD talking about SummerSlam ninety nine

1082
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:40.159
and what the what the political chess
pieces were going into SummerSlam. The plan

1083
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:43.680
was for me to become champion in
SummerSlam, and I had been talked about

1084
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:46.800
for months. It went from being
me and Steve in a single of SummerSlam

1085
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:51.000
to Austin having you know, he
hurt his knee, and Steve felt that

1086
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:57.000
it would be easier to have a
triple threat. I'll have to be honest,

1087
01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:01.720
I didn't ask any questions. Seemed
a little odd to me, and

1088
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:06.079
Nick was added to the fold.
Then Steve, you know, said I'll

1089
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:10.279
drop the title to Mick, and
uh, you know, you could take

1090
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.560
it the next night on Raw.
It would have meant more for him to

1091
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:20.119
have won that that that first ww
championship at Summer Slam, as opposed to

1092
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:24.199
winning it from mankind at Raw.
You know, it was what it was,

1093
01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:28.920
and I took it the next night
on Raw, and at the end

1094
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:30.520
of the day more people saw it, I guess, and and it is

1095
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:32.439
what it is. All worked out
great, right, I mean here we

1096
01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:36.800
are. Yeah, very convincing.
Yeah right, very convincing tone in your

1097
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:42.319
voice there, Oh god, An
any any small wonder that Austin and Trips

1098
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:47.239
couldn't come to terms on a Wrestling
NI forty appearance, Yeah right, how

1099
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:49.920
about it? But yeah, there, you know, there it is.

1100
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:53.479
He straight up says it was Tom
tad the title one on one and that

1101
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:55.840
Austin sort of said it'd be easier
to have a triple threat match because of

1102
01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.600
his knee, which I can you
know, you can make that case like

1103
01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:00.439
you know, Austin I mean fully
can bump around, which he did a

1104
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:03.800
lot in the match. Yeah,
because you know, one thing Austin will,

1105
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:06.600
just as we've learned over the years, he'll completely fall apart mentally if

1106
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:10.600
he feels like he has to do
like a thirty minute pay per view main

1107
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.279
eventity he doesn't feel physically up to
it, right of course. But uh,

1108
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:18.000
that's that's I think probably the closest
we're going to get to honesty on

1109
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:23.720
this whole thing. But fortunately Billy
Gunn did a shoot interview from the Ole

1110
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:29.760
Boy where I think he be much
starker perspective because let's you know, New

1111
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:31.560
Age out Laws wrestle edgend Christian on
the show is mentioned it's a half Hazard

1112
01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:34.239
tag title match put together in the
Sunday Night Heat before the pay per view,

1113
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:38.640
and the fact that the New Age
out Laws reunited by the fall of

1114
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:42.359
nineteen ninety nine. I don't know
about you, but that also to me

1115
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:45.119
was a very key like, Okay, this attitude era of things kind of

1116
01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:48.680
over because they're going back to stuff. They're going back to stuff like yep,

1117
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:53.600
you know, a Gun and road
Dog were not able to achieve single

1118
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:58.319
superstardom. The sensible thing to do
was literally just to put them back together

1119
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.279
again without really any purpose. They
just were back, and I remember they

1120
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:05.399
beat Rock and no it was was
mankind of al snow filling in for Rock.

1121
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:09.680
And remember that, Yes, I
do the Rock and SOT connection.

1122
01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.840
You know, this is your life
Rock moment. That's actually that, this

1123
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:15.159
is your life segment, the famous
twenty five minute talking segment. That is

1124
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.720
an incredible quarter. That's the raw
after unforgiven, the very night after this

1125
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:23.800
that get out of here. Really, that's right, were Rock and fully

1126
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:27.520
go face to face and you know, gimmick characters from Rock's past and it's

1127
01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:32.560
hilarious, but it goes so long
and and it's lettender in its own right.

1128
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:39.039
But anyway, you know, Billy
Gunn was somebody who kind of kind

1129
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:44.479
of got the raw end of Triple
H's ascent because he's a guy that was

1130
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:46.880
trying to break out on his own
outside of the Triple HDX gimmick. And

1131
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.960
you know, the nuige out was
being primarily associated with DX and yeah,

1132
01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:54.159
all the opportunities that afforded to somebody
that it appeared they were trying to give

1133
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:56.920
a push to Now. He does
say is that he was not originally scheduled

1134
01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.720
to win the nineteen ninety nine King
of the Ring. He's not sure who

1135
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:00.880
it was supposed to be. He
kind of throws xpox name out there,

1136
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:02.920
but that doesn't sound right, not
at all. But he did get the

1137
01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:05.640
distinct impression that he only won King
of the Ring as a consolation because somebody

1138
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:08.680
else wouldn't do it. Therefore their
heart wasn't in it. And there was

1139
01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:12.079
really no attempt to make it seem
like a big deal that mister asked one

1140
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.760
King of the Ring, which it
was true when you look back. There

1141
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:17.560
was no like ceremony, There was
no pomping circumstance, there was no build.

1142
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:21.319
It was like we had been trained
to think King of the Ring winners

1143
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:27.319
would come off as a bigger deal
in years before this. Now Shamrock in

1144
01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:29.039
ninety eight, it wasn't a huge
deal. But at least he you know,

1145
01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:32.039
he campaigned for the icy title.
He went on a run after he

1146
01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:34.840
won King of the Ring. Billy
got nuts so much. I mean,

1147
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.359
they gave him the Rock match at
SummerSlam, where he was just totally sunned

1148
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:42.319
just totally made fun of right,
had no fucking credibility at all. Didn

1149
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.239
him come close to winning key matches
after that? And the reason I bring

1150
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:49.960
him up is because he gives us
a perspective on what actually Triple H was

1151
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:55.840
doing throughout nineteen ninety nine to put
him into this position and beyond and beyond

1152
01:17:55.880 --> 01:18:00.359
nineteen ninety nine. But I just
I can't let we cannot forget, you

1153
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:02.920
cannot forget what it really means when
Triple H says he is the game,

1154
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:09.319
what it really is is about,
yes, And here he is kind of

1155
01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:12.800
holding court on it all. At
what point could you see Hunter start coming

1156
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:25.239
on influenced politically kind of after the
after the kind of split of the X

1157
01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:28.119
and stuff, kind of getting away
from that he was, you know,

1158
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:35.000
started becoming more malvie and getting hired
in position to where he had stroke and

1159
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:38.960
once he knew he had it,
he grabbed it. How did you see

1160
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:45.600
him change? Like exactly as far
as how did he change? How start

1161
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:51.359
talking about people and start you know
sticking, start sticking and stabbing, sticking

1162
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:56.079
his stabbing remember never in your face, but you knew it was there,

1163
01:18:56.479 --> 01:19:00.399
right, you know, always like
that in front of you. But what

1164
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.439
a piece of shit you were bhying, you know, buying closed doors with

1165
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:10.119
Vince and straight up Vince's ass all
the time. Him and China got the

1166
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.239
you know, did the split off, and we would talk. Not that

1167
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:15.479
I asked her anything. She just
came to me one day and said,

1168
01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:19.119
you know, it's him. He's
the one that's put the brakes on you

1169
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:23.239
every time they try to do something
with you, because they said you can't

1170
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:27.479
tote it, you can't do it, and because he said that you're you

1171
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:30.680
know, you're breathing is a problem. Your asthma is a problem. And

1172
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:35.039
I've worked hurt and sick in that
company more than I care to remember,

1173
01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:39.920
you know, only because not that
I needed to. It's because they booked

1174
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:44.239
me and I'll go, you know. So it's just it's the constant bullshit.

1175
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:46.640
Stab on your back, smile at
me and say hello to me,

1176
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:49.319
and come on, let's do this, and you're this, and then you

1177
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:54.960
turn around and it's you know,
just stabbing, stabbing, stabbing, And

1178
01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:58.720
why I'm not a thread. He
just saw me as a threat. I

1179
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:00.720
guess why. I have no idea
because just like I said before, he's

1180
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.840
talented and can worry. Why do
guys just not let that speak for you.

1181
01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:08.800
You either got it or you don't
got it, you know, and

1182
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:13.399
he has it, but it's something
that makes you feel better about yourself.

1183
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.680
Is to put somebody down, is
to make somebody because no, he's really

1184
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:18.960
not that good. No, don't
say that he's really not that good.

1185
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:24.640
Well, yeah he is, he
is, but it's you know, so

1186
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:27.399
people can't hear that. They don't
want to hear that. No, I

1187
01:20:27.439 --> 01:20:29.800
don't want to hear that he's good, you know, but he is,

1188
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:34.039
and he can't stand that. And
he lives and breathe wrestling, and everybody

1189
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:38.439
that's in the company should live and
breathe wrestling. If he said that one

1190
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:41.960
more time, I was gonna slap
him in the mouth because it's yeah,

1191
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:44.520
I have kids, I have a
family. This is not this is what

1192
01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:46.479
I do for a job. And
yes, I do take this very seriously.

1193
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:49.600
But I don't eat, breathe,
and live this because I have two

1194
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:55.000
kids that I eat, live and
breathe for. You know, because you

1195
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:58.000
don't have that, you think that
I should take this and just you know,

1196
01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.399
my kids need something. No,
I have to do this for job

1197
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:03.640
first, Hey, hell, hell
no, you know no, and that's

1198
01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:08.079
just what he does to everybody.
Is you need to you know do that?

1199
01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:13.239
You know this business is there,
he's the god of wrestling. No,

1200
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:18.880
he's not. Wow, I mean
wow, what do you want?

1201
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:21.800
I mean, look, I'm let
me guess right, he's full of shit

1202
01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:25.399
and he was never any good and
no. Yeah right, how about he's

1203
01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:29.359
telling the exact truth. Yep?
How about that better? How about there's

1204
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.079
a reason that when d X got
inducted in the Hall of Fame and you

1205
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:33.199
know, word was out the Billy
Gun was going to work for a w

1206
01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:35.920
the Triple H couldn't help but slip
that little line in there about how he's

1207
01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:40.560
going walk in the minor leagues.
Yeah, how about you know the Billy

1208
01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:44.960
was like unceremondously fire from a training
job for a high testosterone level. Dude,

1209
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.319
it like getting involve from the bodybuild
contest when like nobody else suffered the

1210
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:53.279
same fate for similar circumstances. Billy
Gun is the truth on this one.

1211
01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:57.199
That's what idea is. I'll take
it. I'll take that. And also

1212
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.680
just the the amount of animosity coming
from his mouth, like just it reeks

1213
01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:05.159
of something. I mean, is
he completely honest? You never know with

1214
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:11.479
you know, with these fucking clowns
and carnies. But I'll tell you that's

1215
01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:14.880
the case out very convincing. I'll
say that road Dog was in that camp

1216
01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:16.680
too. There's a shoot interview that
they did shortly after watching out at WWF

1217
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:20.439
or road Dog is equally as hard
on Triple H. Although really, Billy

1218
01:22:20.479 --> 01:22:23.840
Gunn, you know they're both in
the interview, goes a little crazier about

1219
01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:26.880
it. What's in prodding. It's
not like he's out there swinging trying to

1220
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:29.119
make a name for himself shitting on
Triple H. That's what I love about

1221
01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.159
these shooting in reviews. These guys
did these thinking only hardcore fans would buy

1222
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:34.239
and sell these DVDs. They would
never see it on YouTube. Everyone you

1223
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:40.119
know this wouldn't. These interviews were
not done with the express purpose of creating

1224
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:43.680
a headline because the e consistan didn't
really work that way at the time.

1225
01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:45.800
I mean, people would hear about
it and write about it in the sheets,

1226
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:47.199
but it wasn't quite the same as
like a YouTube link that would be

1227
01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:51.039
shared around the world in twenty seven
seconds. That changes that your motivation for

1228
01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:55.520
saying something at that point and changed
your motivation for telling the truth, you

1229
01:22:55.600 --> 01:23:00.720
know. But here he is saying
these things and coming out swinging and Boss,

1230
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:02.000
all I have to ask you to
do is think of Triple H's face

1231
01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:09.439
right now. I'm not talking about
Mandy Patinkin. I'm talking about Triple H's

1232
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:14.520
pictureous, Yes, and think about
does that face look like somebody that would

1233
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:17.479
give you the God God of your
face about how everything's everything's looking great.

1234
01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:20.800
And then when you leave the room
talks about you, does he does he

1235
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:25.640
look like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally totally trust Yes,

1236
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:31.920
absolutely, he's he's gonna he is
going to be behind your back faster than

1237
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:34.640
you can fucking take a breath.
I'd love it so much. And that's

1238
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:38.600
what he means by the game.
That's what this whole thing was about in

1239
01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:44.039
nineteen ninety nine, because again,
it's this fucking insider term like talking about

1240
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:47.920
behind the scenes shit. Essentially.
Yeah, even if he would have an

1241
01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:51.279
alternate definition if asked at the time
what he meant by it, I think

1242
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:56.479
the subtext is there. It's something
that everyone in the business, no matter

1243
01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:59.279
how inside or outsider they are,
can come up with it with a with

1244
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:01.760
their own definition enough, and he's
he's cognizant of that. He's not,

1245
01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.840
you know, running away from that
or insisting on a particular narrow definition of

1246
01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:08.680
what he means by that. It's
all about this behind the scenes stuff like

1247
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:10.760
we just talked about with the click
angle and all that, or the click

1248
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:14.600
situation. You even call it an
angle. So that's what's going on.

1249
01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:16.720
I mean, he's basically found a
way to get Vince's ear by ninety nine,

1250
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:20.119
and he wants to not only have
Vince's ear, he wants to basically

1251
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:24.720
be in a position. He wants
to be the guy that Vince turns to

1252
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.880
to say is this guy worth pushing
or not? What do you think you

1253
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.319
think? What do you think?
Do you think this guy's on? He's

1254
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:32.319
no that that that bit Billy said
about asthma. I guess he has like

1255
01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:39.199
a winter asthma situation where he gets
gets gassed in matches. That's all you

1256
01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:42.560
need pounds on that. I mean, I'm I mean, what do you

1257
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.079
I mean you think you think game
game? Do you think you think Billy

1258
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.239
can go? I mean, he's
he's the one, and you know what

1259
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:53.720
we're talking. I mean, we're
talking about a guy who arguably is the

1260
01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:59.399
best pure athlete in the company.
What do you think, thoughts game,

1261
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.520
billy gun? And then you know, any little thing, any little thing

1262
01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:10.159
he can say, so so he's
good. Wait a minute, he's good

1263
01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:13.840
A hang nail? You say that
he's got a kind of an ongoing hangnail

1264
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:17.880
on his left thumb ongoing. Tell
me the difference between the hangnail and an

1265
01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:26.479
ongoing hangnail, hang nail, Adam
Paige? So I guess all right,

1266
01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:30.600
so the hangnails and no go I
see, yeah, it could it could

1267
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:34.079
get in somebody's eye. I suppose. All right, so billy guns out

1268
01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:40.359
fired? You think, okay,
all right, we'll fire billy gun today.

1269
01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:45.399
All right? Uh, who's going
to get on that? Matterson?

1270
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:51.159
You do down for that? Fire
a billy gun? And what about what

1271
01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:58.239
about uh game undertaker? Thoughts on
Undertaker? I mean, legend, been

1272
01:25:58.279 --> 01:26:00.920
here you know about ten years,
just one of the one of the all

1273
01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:08.439
time grades. What do you you
think what I saw him get tired?

1274
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:13.079
Once you saw he was a little
slow. No, he got he got

1275
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:17.920
run over by his motorcycle. Tired, he was tired. Wait, what

1276
01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:23.199
do you mean by tire? Oh
he gets victimized by a tire. Victimized

1277
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.159
by a tire? I see,
I see? And now now would that

1278
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:31.640
be his vest? Is when?
Now? Okay, so we're talking about

1279
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:36.640
is that we're talking about the the
goth clothing? Is that what it is?

1280
01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:40.760
Or what? Now? The biker
out? The biker? Okay?

1281
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:45.159
So uh okay, all right?
So he he and so I'm just saying

1282
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:47.039
we can't hitch our wagon into a
talent. He once had a bone crunching

1283
01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:51.760
action figure come out and he's wearing
jeans, right, okay, jeans?

1284
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:57.119
So what do you think we should
do with Listen, I'll do whatever you

1285
01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.359
need me to do with Undertaker?
So what do you what do you fired?

1286
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.960
Okay? I think actually we put
into death honestly, I have to

1287
01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:10.000
be all right. So how about
Kurt Angle? No? How about Jeff

1288
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:12.680
already know? How about urdd No? How about book or t know who

1289
01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:17.760
else isn't how about we're looking at
this guy brock Lessner, very legitimate athlete.

1290
01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:21.119
What do you think got to create
a different If you're going, can

1291
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:26.399
we can we can we bring back
Austin? Can we do that? Maybe?

1292
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:28.520
But I got to beat him in
a stage two or three. Hell

1293
01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:31.920
in the selma how much I can't
WrestleMania, and then I have to join

1294
01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.119
up with him immediately afterwards, so
he's gonna come back, then I have

1295
01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:38.560
to be share the screen with him. I can't be you know, you

1296
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.039
can't be in there in a circumstance
where people are deciding which of the two

1297
01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:44.079
is better. I'm not probably the
best to get the past boss A lot

1298
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:45.399
of the contradictory on a gimmicks,
but I'm trying to do. Don't worry

1299
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:48.399
about listen convictory. That's fine.
We can get out of that, all

1300
01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:55.960
right. So you're gonna I got
twenty four page here? Oh right,

1301
01:27:56.119 --> 01:28:00.800
okay, so uh good? How
long you I tell you what, Paul?

1302
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:05.560
Why don't you just tell me who
to push? And why don't you

1303
01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:09.720
I'll tell you what. This will
make it easier. Why don't you talk

1304
01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:14.520
to Patterson about this? And you
and Patterson decide who we push, who's

1305
01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:18.000
champion the whole thing. I'm just
gonna you know, I've got I could

1306
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:20.920
no matter how long you sit here, pat I could never I could never

1307
01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.880
see the things you've seen. I
could never get the full roster of who

1308
01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.279
has asthma problems. You know,
I don't. I don't. I don't

1309
01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:30.520
like to get involved in the business
of others, So why don't you guys.

1310
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:34.000
I'm gonna you know what I'm gonna
do. I'm actually gonna call the

1311
01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:38.239
Saudi's see if they're willing to buy
the company. That's right, you guys,

1312
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:41.640
do this. I'm gonna go,
and then in about a decade and

1313
01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.399
a half you can try to convince
the Crown Prince of who's worth putting over.

1314
01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:47.920
So Triple H came out with a
book. Now, of course it's

1315
01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:51.680
half workout routine. Oh it's so
fucking the worst book ever. I mean,

1316
01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:55.039
it's like you're reading about his career
and it's interesting and then all of

1317
01:28:55.039 --> 01:28:58.520
a sudden you need to countenance fifteen
pages and try to build your lats.

1318
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:03.760
It's so the quads and triceps.
But he does talk about this time period,

1319
01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:09.279
and I think it takes us to
a very interesting place because this this

1320
01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:13.359
stroke that Billy Gunn described Triple HM
massing at this point in time post d

1321
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:15.560
X. Does it? Does it
give you? It? Does it?

1322
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:17.520
Isn't it funny? Too? Does
it? Does it? Really? It's

1323
01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:21.840
so very easily paints the picture that
number one, Triple H's story is not

1324
01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:28.680
that interesting behind the scenes, and
the fact that whatever is interesting he probably

1325
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:31.479
can't talk about as much because he
manipulated so much that he has to that

1326
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:34.159
that it really is only half a
book and he has to do the other

1327
01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:38.880
half with the fucking workout. Yeah, regimen, Like what is it a

1328
01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:42.239
typical thing where like these guys convince
themselves that their books have a market beyond

1329
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:45.479
the wrestling fan and you have to
sit here and read JBL talk about stocks

1330
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:49.680
and Caine talk about politics and him
talk about working out, Triple H about

1331
01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:55.199
working out. It's like, fucking
hell cares, free me from the fucking

1332
01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:59.760
we can talk about the stabbing behind
the fucking scenes and shit like that's where

1333
01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:04.000
we want JR. Talking about recipes
h interspersed with stories on the road.

1334
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:08.239
It's like, who's shit new here? Guys, Seriously, just write the

1335
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:13.560
fucking book, talk shit. Read
hardcore Holly's book exactly, Like there's not

1336
01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:18.600
a fucking uh uh you know template
out there entertain me, you bitches.

1337
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:24.279
So Triple H winning the championship is
obviously every wrestler's ultimate dream. So when

1338
01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:27.079
I achieved it, I was ecstatic. It was such an honor for me,

1339
01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:30.760
not only because I had this championship, this tangible reminder that I accomplished

1340
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.560
a major goal, but I was
humbled by what it meant. The company

1341
01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:35.039
didn't put the title on me just
to transition it to someone else. They

1342
01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:39.760
wanted me to have a long term
run with the championship. By making this

1343
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:42.840
decision, they were recognizing me as
a top guy, a guy who would

1344
01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:45.199
serve as the face of the company, represent us to the public. That's

1345
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.199
all part of what being the w
Champion means. Uh. I don't recall

1346
01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:50.159
that at all. It's not what
it meant in nineteen ninety nine. I'm

1347
01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:56.319
sorry. No, four hours certainly, not this fucking right, this fucking

1348
01:30:56.399 --> 01:31:00.119
run right here. Maybe maybe you
were the face of the company and in

1349
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:02.159
two thousand, but not here.
Dude. You even have the belt by

1350
01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:06.439
November? Right, Yeah? What
kind of How many Today shows could he

1351
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:11.199
do between September? Well, it
is on every day. You know.

1352
01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:14.840
It's a good point. It's more
than just defending the title once a week

1353
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:16.840
on TV. And to trust this
responsibility to somebody who was a bad guy

1354
01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:19.039
in the program, well that just
wasn't really done. Yeah, it wasn't

1355
01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:21.239
done that either, by the way. It was done to his credit in

1356
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:26.359
two thousand and two. But that
was just disasters disastrous. I mean,

1357
01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:31.880
it was just so fucking unbelievable that
they thought the most compelling thing they could

1358
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:34.880
put forward for eighteen months was who
was going to to throne Triple h Like

1359
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:38.319
he's Rick flatting. It's like,
it's just like, what is this going

1360
01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:42.960
to end? Yeah? Some keep
on what's that? It's not gonna end.

1361
01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.159
It's never gonna end. A Goldberg, by the way, another guy

1362
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:46.159
you can put in the shit list
who isn't ready? Yeah, it doesn't

1363
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:49.640
of course. Whatever. Of course
some people in the office resisted the idea,

1364
01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:54.560
but fortunately they were in the minority. Mm hmmm, with all my

1365
01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:57.159
enemies on the show gunning for me. Once I had the title, I

1366
01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:59.760
lost it along the way and started
up an angle. Were Vince McMahon to

1367
01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:02.039
get it back by the way the
angle though, by the way, just

1368
01:32:02.520 --> 01:32:05.600
to clarify, I did look it
up a little bit, and oh goody,

1369
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:15.079
I guess. So what happened was
the episode of Raw was September thirteenth,

1370
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:21.600
I'm many nine, and what happened
was I guess Austin was arrested on

1371
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:32.680
TV again and Triple H wanted Linda
McMahon to cancel Austin's title match with Triple

1372
01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:38.199
H. I guess there was a
rematch in there, and he apparently was

1373
01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:44.279
very verbally abusive to Linda. Yeah, And and so Vince comes out and

1374
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:49.439
rationalizes being on TV by saying it
wasn't business, it was personal. And

1375
01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:53.359
I remember, this is fascinating because
behind the scenes, he's still you know,

1376
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:58.439
he's still dating China. There's no
real public face indication that he's interested

1377
01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:02.239
in Stephanie. So it's exactly accurate
to say that he won Vince's trust in

1378
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.479
one spot in the inner circle after
linking up with Stephanie. It seems like

1379
01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:11.439
it happened first because you know,
Stephanie describes Triple H coming into a meeting

1380
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.640
chewing gum, is sitting back at
the meeting, you know, the production

1381
01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:16.960
meeting with his input, and it
made it essentially, it made her wet,

1382
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:20.000
It made her sopping wet. You
know, what are we gonna do?

1383
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:25.159
Right? We got to think about
what's the next step with the company.

1384
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:30.199
You know, I love Steve like
everybody else. This company needs to

1385
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:33.000
go, but we get to figure
out where are we going next? Ste

1386
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:39.119
no beard either, no beard yet, no beard yet either, you know,

1387
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:44.920
just you know, just imagine fucking
clean shaven knows out the fucking wazoo,

1388
01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:47.800
ponytail tied. Yes, yes,
yes, and he's wearing the fucking

1389
01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:53.560
the fucking Cabby hat backwards. Yeah. I'm just you know, I'm just

1390
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:57.920
concerned. You know what, you
know, what is the next step that

1391
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:03.439
the company. We can't we can't
ride on the coattails of somebody else besides

1392
01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:09.560
me. We don't want to get
a guy. If you're gonna write in

1393
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:11.800
your book with all my enemies on
the show gunning for me, once I

1394
01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:17.960
had the title enemies, what about
the enemies behind the scenes. That's the

1395
01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:21.960
fucking rule. Name the enemies or
don't make reference in the end at all.

1396
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:28.880
Name the enemies. I'm not gonna
play their games by naming them.

1397
01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:31.800
Okay, I'm not going to give
them that power, right story, I'm

1398
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:39.960
gonna sit here and tell you I
am the game. Yeah. Great.

1399
01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:43.760
The storyline, he writes, was
that as the good guy owner, Vince

1400
01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:45.199
hated it that such an evil son
of a bitch was his champion and is

1401
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:47.760
the evil son of a bitch.
I hated it that Vince was a good

1402
01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:51.000
guy owner. We went at it
for weeks, tearing up every crowd we

1403
01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:54.800
went in front of. At the
same time, Vince's daughter, Stephanie was

1404
01:34:54.840 --> 01:34:57.720
involved in a major angle in the
program as well. Vince Russo had this

1405
01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:00.439
idea to put on a wedding,
so they started a story the line where

1406
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:02.840
one of the superstars, Tests would
get romantically involved with Stephanie, eventually asking

1407
01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.119
her to marry him. Well,
you know, you remember, you remember

1408
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:10.159
what it was, right? It
was. It was a stipulation of of

1409
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:17.760
a of a match that the Union
won. The Union won won a match

1410
01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:20.680
or a series of matches. I
don't remember what the deal was, but

1411
01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:27.640
if they won, they could have
a match with any member of the corporation.

1412
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:33.239
They wanted any kind of match with
anyone. So Test Test decided he

1413
01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:45.119
wanted to have a match with Stephanie
and the match was a date, a

1414
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:51.359
date between the two. Yeah,
uh huh, yeah, and that's and

1415
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:58.079
that's that's good writing. Russo was
preoccupied with the Unions. Back then you

1416
01:35:58.199 --> 01:36:01.399
had the Union stable and then you
had the referee Tran. Yeah, but

1417
01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:04.960
I think we better have a union. You know what, that's not a

1418
01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:09.079
bad idea. I was talking to
Vince Russo. I said, Hey,

1419
01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:12.479
you know what, maybe if you
did a uh maybe, if you did

1420
01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:16.000
a storyline about unions, Vince might
uh might decide to give the boys a

1421
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:23.479
chance. Wasn't too long ago that
that I was agitating for a union here?

1422
01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:27.119
But you know what, I got
my union, right? I got

1423
01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:31.760
well union? Would that be Jesse
the shag after union? Big fan?

1424
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:39.479
I got my union. I can
tell you won't hear about it from me

1425
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:43.640
anymore. I got my union.
This lapsed, Vince said, And Philly,

1426
01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:47.119
why does the Rock not see these
professional wrestlers as he loves to call

1427
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:50.960
them, at the same set benefits
he enjoys exactly? I had a question

1428
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:56.159
someone might ask him one of these
days. With the wedding announced in weeks

1429
01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:59.680
away, Russo left for w CW
Triple A Trites, and no one knew

1430
01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:01.560
his exact plan to finish off the
wedding, and first of all, Vince

1431
01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:05.039
Russo didn't know his plan. By
the yeah right and transition Steph and test

1432
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:08.680
as a married couple into the endo
the show, the whole thing was up

1433
01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:10.960
in the air for a while with
such a major part of our programming,

1434
01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:13.800
so just dropping it without an explanation
was not an option. They went so

1435
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:15.640
far as to come up with little
swerves in the story to postpone the on

1436
01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:19.000
screen nuptials while they figured out an
ending satisfying enough to the story. Entire

1437
01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:23.199
storyline, there was this one thing
that break her. Steph got amnesia after

1438
01:37:23.279 --> 01:37:25.880
she was hitting the head with a
garbage can. She couldn't remember who test

1439
01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:28.359
was for a few shows. I
remember that. Yeah, you're like,

1440
01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:30.640
yeah, couching the Yeah, they
were about to do the thing, and

1441
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:35.119
then all of a sudden, like
she can't remember who the fuck she's dating

1442
01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:39.119
anymore. It's interesting to think of
that as he's describing it, it's like

1443
01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:43.520
just delay tactics. I guess gues
it makes sense. But that's another example

1444
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:45.520
of Russo leaving and them trying to
like kind of keep a Russo feel about

1445
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:50.560
the product without having for sure.
I mean that's the actually, I mean

1446
01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:55.600
that was it felt. It felt
Russo all the way, right. You

1447
01:37:55.680 --> 01:38:00.439
know, it was surprising that it
was not that it was not Russo,

1448
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:02.760
and it was hard. I suppose
back then you weren't reading the internet to

1449
01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.359
know that Russo had left or even
maybe even not. I had no fucking

1450
01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:08.479
idea. I don't even know.
Yeah, I didn't know who. I

1451
01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:14.279
don't think I knew Vince Russo was
writing the show, though I seem to

1452
01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:18.560
know that Vince Russo was Vic Venom. Oh sure I did know that for

1453
01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:23.399
some reason. But I remember I
was following, you know, the internet

1454
01:38:23.479 --> 01:38:27.359
closely every day back then, and
I remember feeling it like I remember being

1455
01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:30.079
watching closely and be like, Okay, this is different, Like I can

1456
01:38:30.159 --> 01:38:33.840
tell that the the route and the
kernel of the idea is still a Russou

1457
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:36.880
idea, but the execution is starting
to feel a lot more sort of like

1458
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.479
just blah. I'm not saying every
time Russo did something it was it was

1459
01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:45.560
exciting, but it just wasn't the
pace was so different all of a sudden

1460
01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:47.840
and dragging me out. The Nuptials
is a great example. You wouldn't see

1461
01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:50.399
that with him, Like, no, the Nuptials literally the next week,

1462
01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:55.079
like they did with fucking Bully and
Brook and TNA. It was like,

1463
01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:57.640
yeah, they built that for like
two weeks. That could have been they

1464
01:38:57.680 --> 01:38:59.840
could have built that for six months
and then a massive rating, But it

1465
01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:01.840
was no, we came up with
a wedding because we need a big rating,

1466
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.600
right We didn't come up with the
wedding and then try to decide how

1467
01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:08.640
to make it a big rating.
We came up because we need to fill

1468
01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:10.760
a hole right here. We need
to make something impactful at them on this

1469
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:14.800
date. And so anyway, she
couldn't remember who test was for a few

1470
01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:16.239
shows, so he had to work
to convince her that they were about to

1471
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:19.199
be married. This trick bought a
lot of time, with hundreds of suggestions

1472
01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:23.520
coming in from every possible source,
but none receiving overwhelming support. The creative

1473
01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:26.800
team decided to just move ahead with
a regular wedding and play out their marriage

1474
01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:29.359
for a little bit until something could
be figured out for the long term.

1475
01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:31.079
You have to understand that at this
time, pretty much everyone in the company

1476
01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:33.880
was working on this issue. It
was on everybody's mind. What do we

1477
01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.399
do about with the wedding? Someone
sent to me backstage at one of the

1478
01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:41.000
shows they should have this crazy swerve
where she ends up admitting she's in love

1479
01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:44.239
with someone else and marries him or
something. I thought, you know,

1480
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:50.720
that's not a bad idea. Two
weeks before the wedding was scheduled to finally

1481
01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:56.760
take place. For plate rights,
it should be me who marries her?

1482
01:39:56.840 --> 01:40:08.640
Oh unbelievab Okay, any for your
reason? Why that? Uh? Why

1483
01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:11.000
it should be you? Game?
I mean, you haven't really been a

1484
01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:14.760
part of this story at all.
What is it? Well? Uh,

1485
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:18.600
I think it could be a good
swerve, and you know what might be

1486
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:26.119
even a better swerve? What's that? No payoff with tests? Right?

1487
01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:30.880
Okay? Oh? You? I
mean so what you what do you what

1488
01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:35.920
do you propose to use some other
kind of stereoids? Are you gonna go

1489
01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:44.399
you know, kind of like an
organic or what? H what triple h

1490
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:46.479
g H. We're gonna triple h
g A. We could do we can

1491
01:40:46.520 --> 01:40:50.000
develop that in the basement, you
know, we could do it a w

1492
01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:56.640
W triple h g H if you
you know a model, whatever you need,

1493
01:40:57.800 --> 01:41:00.840
man, you describe the look.
And I'm sitting in a production meeting

1494
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:04.640
at five o'clock on TV day,
pretending he doesn't really clear that, pretending

1495
01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:06.920
to be a fly on the wall, Pretending like you know, he's just

1496
01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:12.000
here to to hear ideas and see
if he can be helpful, but deep

1497
01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:16.079
down being just a complete ball of
insecure. Imagine like like sitting sitting in

1498
01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:20.640
Vince's office, just like we're pretending
like they're casually chatting, snapping gum.

1499
01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:26.199
Yeah. Yeah, it's got his
fucking feet on the desk with jeans and

1500
01:41:26.439 --> 01:41:29.760
black boots. Yes, yeah,
yeah, yeah, a jacket. Oh

1501
01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:32.920
fuck, I can't. So you
know, actually I was going, yeah,

1502
01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:35.239
that was crazy. I see that
last week. That was unbelieving.

1503
01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:41.600
Yeah, that was yeah crazy.
You see the Yukon game on Saturday,

1504
01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:48.520
unbelievable? Uh I did? I
watched Yukon? Did I watched Ucon all

1505
01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:50.880
night long? It's crazy, you
know. By the way, I want

1506
01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:55.199
to turn you on, Vince to
this sum this new protein brand I found.

1507
01:41:55.239 --> 01:41:58.800
I think I didn't really help your
brats and delts and is it?

1508
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.239
Is it an Ica proah something like
that? Yeah yeah all right right,

1509
01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:04.960
so yeah, I'll send you information
about it. Yeah all right, listen,

1510
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:09.159
I'm always I'm always in the market. So I listen. The reason

1511
01:42:09.199 --> 01:42:10.920
I stopped in, I know you
had a lot to do that. I

1512
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:13.800
was just thinking about this wedding thing, you know, I thought how it

1513
01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:16.239
would help here. Yeah listen,
you know that's the thing. We don't

1514
01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:18.680
know, We don't know what the
fuck to do. Let's just make it

1515
01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:27.199
about me instead of Test, And
well I will have no I'll wrestle Test,

1516
01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:29.079
but it'll be on like TV.
It won't be a big match.

1517
01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:35.159
But wait a minute, but hold
on, sorry, m Well we're talking

1518
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:41.560
the whole thing. We've been building
this whole thing up with Test and stuff

1519
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:46.800
getting together. So a test events
between you and me. Test has he

1520
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:53.239
has little bowel syndrome, he has
IBS, and I don't hope we should

1521
01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:55.640
be putting someone in that position that
might have to take a ship at any

1522
01:42:55.720 --> 01:42:59.600
moment. Oh yeah, between you
and me. I know it's hip and

1523
01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:05.520
stuff. No, listen, listen, you know these I guess there's a

1524
01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:11.039
test indeed, right, and I'm
this is this is a test? I

1525
01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:16.039
am all right? Well, so
well what do you think I say?

1526
01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:24.000
What we do is put the uh
incontinent Soul title on him? What excuse

1527
01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:30.840
me? The what are you saying? Wait? Wit, hold on,

1528
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:33.479
hold on, wait, and we
could go with this actually, so you're

1529
01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:42.039
saying he has uncontrollable dookie essentially,
yes, so like he could just go

1530
01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:45.159
in the middle of the ring,
right, So he's always in a rush

1531
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:49.840
to finish the match because he's gonna
ship himself. I think that's a better

1532
01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:55.000
I think that's a better positioning for
Andrew than what we have right now with

1533
01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:57.720
him sort of like front and center, you know. I mean, I

1534
01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:00.600
think you should be a wrestled with
his pants at any moment instead of a

1535
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:02.880
wrestler that marries your daughter. I
mean, that could be, that could

1536
01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:08.800
be, that could that could be
funny. That'll be funny, comedic comedic

1537
01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.000
value going on with that one.
And can you do me a favor,

1538
01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:13.800
Evince, can you have someone kind
of secretly record the look on his face

1539
01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:17.840
when he's the direction? I'd love
to just well, I mean I don't

1540
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:23.560
want to. I don't want to
deviolate anyone surreptitiously. I'll show you how

1541
01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:26.079
to do it. I do it
all the time back here. Okay,

1542
01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:29.319
all right, well that's great.
Let's let's uh, let's do it.

1543
01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:32.000
Let's do it. Let's let's uh. Test is out. You know what,

1544
01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:38.520
the test has failed. He's tested
out of the program. He's tested

1545
01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:42.279
out. All right, we're gonna
go with A with A with a new

1546
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:45.239
direction, the triple H direct.
Let me ask you, pal, I

1547
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:48.479
mean, in concert with this,
should we should we consider doing anything for

1548
01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:54.399
his family? I mean, you
know, should What do you mean?

1549
01:44:58.640 --> 01:45:04.199
What does he say? I was
wondering, Do you listen, I'm all

1550
01:45:04.279 --> 01:45:13.800
about messing fucking with people. Do
you think we could do something to his

1551
01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:19.520
family as well? I think we
could maybe test his family, so say,

1552
01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:30.319
put them to the test, maybe
hurt them, oh shit, physically,

1553
01:45:30.439 --> 01:45:41.479
mentally, sexually harm. I'm into
that as a rib. Of course,

1554
01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:58.000
all the band is off, I'm
into that as a rib. So

1555
01:45:58.079 --> 01:46:00.399
all of a sudden, what do
you know, Triple he told me the

1556
01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:02.880
one to marry Stephanie. Did the
chicken or the egg come first? That's

1557
01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:08.439
my question, and Triple H decide. My God, this is my chance

1558
01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:13.000
to insinuate myself into this angle that's
going nowhere between Test and Stephanie. And

1559
01:46:13.159 --> 01:46:16.000
therefore, wouldn't it be all the
sweeter if I made a move on her

1560
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:20.479
and got her going and actually linked
up with her in real life? Or

1561
01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:27.680
were they already romantically involved? And
that is why he suggested inserting himself.

1562
01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:30.560
I know they've told the story of
her times. I know Vince has said

1563
01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:32.479
that he saw that there was something
between them before they even realized that.

1564
01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:36.359
I just I wasn't a fan,
you know, I didn't appreciate this happening.

1565
01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:41.560
And I said no, no,
no, no, no means no,

1566
01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:46.800
get your right what And so eventually
they get to a point where,

1567
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:51.760
you know, everyone, everyone knows
that they're linked backstage. But this is

1568
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:55.319
all I mean, if I'm doing
the math, right, this is all

1569
01:46:55.359 --> 01:47:00.279
while he's still involved in China.
Yeah, rightly on t That's what they've

1570
01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:03.600
always said, is that they're uh
yeah, it's always been the two of

1571
01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:11.319
them, that this was a whole, a whole fucking thing like that that

1572
01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:14.560
they were doesn't And she says that
too, didn't. She said China that

1573
01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.640
she was that game was cheating on
her. Essentially, Yeah, yeah,

1574
01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:21.800
that this was happening. She found
a messages or notes or something like that,

1575
01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:27.199
because confessions of love for each other. And what had Billy Gounn just

1576
01:47:27.199 --> 01:47:30.680
say in that clip we played that
after it broke off between China Triple H,

1577
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:32.159
that's when he found out from China
directly, who was very much you

1578
01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:34.520
know, attached to the hYP to
Triple A. They work out together.

1579
01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:39.960
Obviously they were ro mantically involved every
every trick Triple H pulled to be in

1580
01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:42.680
the position he's in an unforgiven nineteen
ninety nine, China was party too,

1581
01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:45.359
and in fact sort of absorbed his
personality. You know, everyone said a

1582
01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:47.920
lot of people have said that she
became equally difficult to deal with in a

1583
01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:50.239
way that was almost false, in
a way where it's almost like she was

1584
01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:54.800
putting on an act thinking that's how
she should carry herself if she was going

1585
01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:58.800
to be you know, China at
the right hand of Triple H as he

1586
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:03.039
ascended the political ladder, and so
now all of a sudden, she's on

1587
01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:08.079
the outs and he's in with Steph
and she's going to Billy Gott and all

1588
01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:13.439
these other people saying things like you
don't pretty much remember that push that disappeared

1589
01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:15.760
into thin air last year. That
was him just so you know, saying

1590
01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:21.319
a B and C to people,
including Finnce. Just tremendous stuff and just

1591
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:26.039
an amazing saga of that. Yeah, we'll never be told. I don't

1592
01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:29.640
think it's most truthful. No,
no, I was like maybe a product

1593
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:30.800
divorced. But then Stephanie comes out
of Mainy. It's like, Okay,

1594
01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:36.760
he's locked that down to Yeah,
yeah, has China's gone? Right,

1595
01:48:38.079 --> 01:48:42.920
China's dead, you know, not
that she was necessarily trustworthy anyway, Towards

1596
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.319
the end she said her truth on
it, and I still feel kind of

1597
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:47.920
dissatisfied. I mean, you know, maybe maybe one day it'll make sense

1598
01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:50.520
for us to really just batten down
and say, right, maybe whenever we

1599
01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:55.720
do one for Armageddon ninety nine,
hint hint, Hopper members, there we

1600
01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.880
go, it'll be time. Really
who said? Who said everything about?

1601
01:48:59.279 --> 01:49:01.800
What can we what kind of timeline
can we assemble on this thing we got?

1602
01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:03.560
Uh? You know, I mean, you know, hey, you

1603
01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:09.800
know what, there still is a
you know, maybe maybe maybe uh Triple

1604
01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:15.199
H can't satisfy maybe uh Stephan anymore, Maybe that maybe satisfaction is out the

1605
01:49:15.239 --> 01:49:16.359
window. I mean, what I
want you to do is think what's going

1606
01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:18.600
to happen? How old are the
kids? How old are the are all

1607
01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:24.560
the kids? Because like you know, maybe uh think of the kids staff

1608
01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:28.880
totally. You know, maybe you
know, once once, once that happens

1609
01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:32.800
once, once they're out, you
know, maybe maybe it's time for full

1610
01:49:32.840 --> 01:49:38.359
disclosure. Interestingly, you right,
and those kids that Billy Gunn was referencing

1611
01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:40.840
in that clip we played that,
Yeah, wudn't put the business before,

1612
01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:43.960
which is apparently a mark against him
in Triple H's mind. You know,

1613
01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:46.399
we know they are now they're they're
a top tag team in a w the

1614
01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:50.720
Guns. So it's really interesting how
that all plays out. But that's why

1615
01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:55.039
they're on the separate sides of the
aisle. I mean, that's the history

1616
01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:57.439
of bad blood between them, such
that Billy Gun's over here trying to make

1617
01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:00.199
a w work the wild stead of
another w W ten. As far as

1618
01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:02.520
I can tell, I'm sure there's
a lot more twist and turns in the

1619
01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:05.119
years that come. I'm sure there's
a lot of fake making up between the

1620
01:50:05.159 --> 01:50:09.439
two. Yeah, of course,
and pretending that it was all good.

1621
01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:12.359
But that's the thing, like,
it's always simmering with with with with trips.

1622
01:50:12.479 --> 01:50:15.079
It's always still there. It's always
going to say a little something,

1623
01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:16.800
a little remark here, you know
what I mean. He's not a guy

1624
01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:19.840
with the twist. A little bit
you know, leaves you feel like,

1625
01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:23.039
what do you mean by that?
When he says something, what do you

1626
01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:25.960
mean by that? What do you
mean? What? What? Hey?

1627
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:30.880
I'm always been on your side.
I am the side. I am the

1628
01:50:31.000 --> 01:50:38.800
side. Yeah that be mashed potatoes, I mean creamed corn and he's and

1629
01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:42.680
I think Billy nailed it too.
It's like, so you're the top guy

1630
01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:45.279
because you have nothing else in your
life that you think about besides wrestling,

1631
01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:50.039
Right, Yeah, that's that's your
reason to be in this pole position,

1632
01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:57.199
doesn't it doesn't know not at all? I mean, is that the same

1633
01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:00.319
thing they kept him there? He
deserved it, but because he was just

1634
01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:03.239
in nothing twenty three hours a day. Ww's all he did and thought about.

1635
01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:06.880
And Vince loves that shit. If
you're willing to sign up for that,

1636
01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:15.600
he'll push anybody. But there's there's
so few that that would And it's

1637
01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:21.119
like the I mean, but that's
not what makes Yeah, that's not what

1638
01:51:21.279 --> 01:51:26.520
makes a champion. The champion is
the guy who sells the tickets, right,

1639
01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:28.399
That, to me is what you
have to do, because you can't

1640
01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:32.680
can't demonstrate value outside of that,
right exactly, like clear you know,

1641
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:38.760
market value to where like you have
leverage, like like could Triple Ah ever

1642
01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:42.159
incredibly come to Vince's whole career and
say like you better pay me or I'm

1643
01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:45.279
leaving, like no, And the
fact that he knows Triple H will never

1644
01:51:45.359 --> 01:51:47.199
say that to him is probably a
big part of the reason that he kept

1645
01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:49.479
him and pushed all those years,
to say nothing of the fact that he

1646
01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:53.560
was his fucking son in law,
which is a stroke of genius. But

1647
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:57.800
I invite you to consider what Stephanie
looked like in her development, you know,

1648
01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:01.560
when she was doing the storyline with
Test. Just picture her face and

1649
01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:05.880
then think of Triple H getting getting
in on that you have the reality that

1650
01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:12.119
that represents. Just think about like, you know, bent over behind me.

1651
01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:17.000
Look, Triple H fucking giving her
the game, all right, like

1652
01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:28.760
and that imagine she you know,
yeah, her voice is so annoying as

1653
01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:38.159
it is. Can you imagine when
she's getting fucked like that raspy squeally fucking

1654
01:52:38.520 --> 01:52:44.560
that that that you know, pig
and ship scream and I am, I

1655
01:52:44.640 --> 01:52:46.319
am, I could be a lot
worse. Look, she is something she

1656
01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:51.560
shied away from Howard interview she did
talking about. I'm not I'm not saying

1657
01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:56.000
that. I'm not saying she shied
away. I'm just saying, imagine being

1658
01:52:56.159 --> 01:53:00.439
him and hearing that sound. Okay, that's all I'm saying. He's coming

1659
01:53:00.479 --> 01:53:03.399
off China. I mean, you
know, it's not really well. And

1660
01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.640
that's the thing we have seen that
you know, that's been out there people

1661
01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:16.279
can see to China, she was
never the same within like two years after

1662
01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:19.479
actually linking up with the real life, like she was like ripped and had

1663
01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:24.479
like a cartoonist chest. Remember when
she had the bangs? Remember that that

1664
01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:27.560
I do? I do? She
was like, Oh, I know,

1665
01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:30.199
all of a sudden, like bricked
up in the upper all of a sudden,

1666
01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:34.439
she's massive. She on her working
out and stuff. Yeah, like,

1667
01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:40.000
come on, it's too AM's do
something fun. I really love it.

1668
01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:44.199
He challenges me to live a healthier
lifestyle. Yeah, that's so hot.

1669
01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:50.920
That's actually one of that was always
one of my requirements when I was

1670
01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:54.840
dating, was like, can let
me ask you? So, can you

1671
01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:59.159
challenge me to live a healthier lifestyle
than I already am? There's nothing more

1672
01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:01.079
romantic than being up at three point
thirty in the morning hour gym at the

1673
01:54:01.119 --> 01:54:06.399
Des Moines Marriotte of the snow outside. I don't want to go to bed,

1674
01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:15.239
No, we gotta work out after
TV. The game so much leather,

1675
01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:18.319
Oh god, back then, what
I mean? Leather and denim?

1676
01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:30.159
Leather and denim. My my path
to championship one leather denim growth. Yeah,

1677
01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:36.560
hormones so tremendous. I mean so
tremendous. So he's got the belt

1678
01:54:36.640 --> 01:54:40.640
now, and like we said,
there's this detour with Vince winning it from

1679
01:54:40.720 --> 01:54:44.760
him and and that's really a testament
to the creation of SmackDown. We can't

1680
01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:48.359
we can't lose the we can't lose
that SmackDown is a key part of this

1681
01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:54.399
story. Oh yeah. SmackDown of
course makes this debut the last week of

1682
01:54:54.479 --> 01:55:00.800
August of nineteen and ninety nine on
the UPN network, and it's it's you

1683
01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:06.319
know, it's a reflection of the
the success they've had in the Attitude era

1684
01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:11.680
and how much attention they've drawn total
ratings they've been able to attract that a

1685
01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:15.119
network like UPN, I mean we're
talking network television, not not cable such

1686
01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:19.279
as it was at the time,
wanted a piece. They wanted some WWF

1687
01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:24.640
and it was a totally different kind
of like play because they had you know,

1688
01:55:24.720 --> 01:55:30.000
they would have you know, they
would have like movie trailers on for

1689
01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:33.319
the Friday movie releases, and they'd
have a different kind of advertiser that would

1690
01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:36.640
come to the table all of a
sudden, and you know, he had

1691
01:55:38.039 --> 01:55:41.279
I remember one of the early episodes
he had fucking Schwarzenegger on there. He

1692
01:55:41.359 --> 01:55:45.279
was promoting end of Days. Yeah, and who did he mix it up

1693
01:55:45.319 --> 01:55:49.960
with? Triple H punched him in
the head right at ringside Camire, Come

1694
01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:54.439
on, it's weird. I remembered
him as being in the event's title change,

1695
01:55:54.479 --> 01:55:58.600
but he wasn't. I don't.
I don't think so. I remember

1696
01:55:58.680 --> 01:56:00.560
he might have been, don't remember
when he was there, evinced winning the

1697
01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:03.680
belt. But I murged those two
things in my head for some reason.

1698
01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:06.119
Maybe he maybe he did it to
uh, I bet it. Maybe he

1699
01:56:06.199 --> 01:56:15.319
did it for helped gain getting just
combobulated to lose to Big Show. So

1700
01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:21.680
we're talking about SmackDown. Just need
to set set the mood. Okay down,

1701
01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:53.680
Oh you running shot? Don't miss
SmackDown Thursdays and nine seven seconds only

1702
01:56:53.760 --> 01:57:02.439
on UPM WHOA unbelievable. And you
noticed they didn't say UPN because when they

1703
01:57:02.439 --> 01:57:05.800
would play the ads for SmackDown on
Raw USA network, they almost never said

1704
01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:10.920
UPN. They weren't like allowed to. So it was a competing network yep,

1705
01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.680
of course, and you had to
find it. But they said they

1706
01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:15.960
would hit it really hard on the
pay per views, including painting it on

1707
01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:21.119
Stevie Richards's chest when it comes out
in the Accolytes segment. So fucking weird.

1708
01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:25.640
But it was a new I don't
know, did you feel like disoriented

1709
01:57:25.680 --> 01:57:28.560
that suddenly there was a second weekly
WWF show and it was on a different

1710
01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:31.000
channel, and oh god, yep
it was very hard for me too.

1711
01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:34.800
Yep. Well that didn't bother me. I kind of dug the idea that

1712
01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:41.760
there were like these, you know, that there was a blue show.

1713
01:57:42.119 --> 01:57:46.359
I I was, I tell you, though I used to I was so

1714
01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:49.439
used to just raw Monday nights that
it was. It took me a long

1715
01:57:49.600 --> 01:57:54.640
time to get onto the Thursday bandwagon. Yep. Not because they didn't want

1716
01:57:54.680 --> 01:57:58.520
to. God knows. I wanted
more wrestling than I could ever possibly imagine

1717
01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:02.399
at the time. But it was
hard to remember. It was hard to

1718
01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:05.840
remember to watch it for a while, and that what always amused me about

1719
01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:09.079
it was like, you know,
Vince Russou would talk about how adding the

1720
01:58:09.079 --> 01:58:14.560
SmackDown workload to his schedule without any
additional compensation was part of what led to

1721
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:18.199
him to seek an exit from WWF. So he goes to a WCW where

1722
01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:21.600
he has to write Thunder two.
Yeah right, and also by the three

1723
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:26.159
hours. I was gonna say it
like it's an additional hour of television,

1724
01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:30.119
So that that was kind of funny, but it was. It was It

1725
01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:31.880
was a lot more because you know, if you write television the way Brusso

1726
01:58:31.880 --> 01:58:35.439
wrote during the Attitude, there were
like you absolutely pour your heart into every

1727
01:58:35.479 --> 01:58:40.159
week show in terms of like how
can I fill this with I'm not holding

1728
01:58:40.199 --> 01:58:44.119
anything back, right, I'm not
holding anything in the distance. I'm just

1729
01:58:44.319 --> 01:58:46.640
like, based on everything that happened
last week, where can all these characters

1730
01:58:46.720 --> 01:58:51.239
go next with a little bit of
twists and a little bit of novelty that

1731
01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:55.359
that will capture people's attention again for
another round. It was episode in that

1732
01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:58.720
way, and it was self contained, and you know, stuff would begin

1733
01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:01.359
and end on the same show,
like a episode of Friends or something.

1734
01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:04.880
Right right, there were you know, there were structure to it, but

1735
01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:10.760
it wasn't like they were always teasing, like teasing something for six months.

1736
01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:13.279
It was like, no, all
right, that's over. What's gonna happen

1737
01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:15.600
next? That's over, what's gonna
happen next. That was the experience of

1738
01:59:15.640 --> 01:59:17.960
watching Raw every week when he was
writing it, and to then have to

1739
01:59:18.279 --> 01:59:21.399
do that with a second show a
week. I can see it being kind

1740
01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:25.199
of a mind fuck, right,
It's like, so I do I begin

1741
01:59:25.319 --> 01:59:30.399
and start two things a week?
Now, you know that Steve Austin begin

1742
01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:33.079
and start two stories a week.
That's fucking crazy. But he doesn't have

1743
01:59:33.319 --> 01:59:38.720
the style to where he can carry
something from Monday to Thursday. I can

1744
01:59:38.760 --> 01:59:41.479
see it really messing with him,
honestly, and he yeah, I agree.

1745
01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:44.520
I agree. And Thunder was such
a mess when he took over that

1746
01:59:44.560 --> 01:59:45.960
it's kind of an indication of that
as well, Like Thunder almost became a

1747
01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:50.079
like a separate track. It was
like things that happened on Thunder had like

1748
01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:54.239
no connectivity to Nitro, even though
it was involving the same wrestler. Sometimes

1749
01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:58.359
it felt like because he was just
so in that like every show is itself,

1750
01:59:58.399 --> 02:00:02.680
it's its own self contained gift box
of odds and ends. That's annoying.

1751
02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:06.039
Well, it just it has its
limitations, and I think he bumped

1752
02:00:06.079 --> 02:00:11.119
up against those eventually. But I
can see why adding a second show to

1753
02:00:11.199 --> 02:00:14.640
his play would uniquely fuck with his
head. But at the same time,

1754
02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:18.079
I kind of smirk at the idea
that, like, you know, it's

1755
02:00:18.239 --> 02:00:21.399
it's sort of like a worker's rights
thing that I wasn't being paid for That

1756
02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:27.319
caused him to write to sour on
it. Anyway, SmackDown hits and it

1757
02:00:27.439 --> 02:00:30.399
changes. It's another thing that marks
that that departure from the attitude era that

1758
02:00:30.479 --> 02:00:34.199
we had really savored because it's that
one time a week that's all you got

1759
02:00:34.439 --> 02:00:38.479
Raw, that was it, yep, yep, and then the pay per

1760
02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:42.800
views. But now there's this second
show and do I really need to see

1761
02:00:42.840 --> 02:00:45.760
it? Is it? Are they
going to book this thing as appointment television?

1762
02:00:45.880 --> 02:00:47.000
Or if I watch Raw every week? Am I going to get everything

1763
02:00:47.279 --> 02:00:51.520
right? Right? And you know
they've gone through a millionaire variations of this

1764
02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:55.199
over the years, from having split
rosters in the show. There are many

1765
02:00:55.279 --> 02:00:58.199
many years where, especially when it's
on like My network TV and CW,

1766
02:00:58.640 --> 02:01:02.560
where all SmackDown was was with like
turned into a six man right, he'd

1767
02:01:02.600 --> 02:01:04.720
have like a singles match on Raw
and then to be a six man on

1768
02:01:04.840 --> 02:01:08.159
Friday, and then he moved to
Rights and that's all. It was just

1769
02:01:08.279 --> 02:01:11.880
rehash of what happened on Raw with
some more wrestlers sprinkled in and the match

1770
02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:15.640
was the match constitution changed a bit, but back then they were experimenting what

1771
02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:19.159
SmackDown going to be. Yep,
and it became, you know, a

1772
02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:23.520
big part of where Triple H would
would develop his character because he was developing

1773
02:01:23.520 --> 02:01:26.199
at the same time the show was
looking to take off. And so,

1774
02:01:26.319 --> 02:01:30.159
as I said at debut August twenty
sixth, nineteen and ninety nine, as

1775
02:01:30.199 --> 02:01:32.800
of course named after the Rock,
calling smack Down his show and using the

1776
02:01:32.840 --> 02:01:36.720
SmackDown catchphrase and all that lay if
the smack it down, et cetera.

1777
02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:41.279
It's kind of funny that that,
you know, it really has stuck,

1778
02:01:41.439 --> 02:01:44.199
like it came from that. Yeah, he just said it, and it

1779
02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:48.640
became the whole franchise. It was
his whole thing. Like it's so weird.

1780
02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:51.279
Sure, if that's part of the
ip that he got ownership of to

1781
02:01:51.319 --> 02:01:55.760
come back in the board, he
got the right to the Rock and the

1782
02:01:55.800 --> 02:01:58.720
People's Champion and so many the other
things he's called himself over the years.

1783
02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:00.640
But does he have the right to
the SmackDown? That's right, that's right?

1784
02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:04.119
Does he do they have to?
Like, you know, whoever gets

1785
02:02:04.159 --> 02:02:08.079
this USA network they have the next
SmackDown contract, do they have to pay

1786
02:02:08.079 --> 02:02:11.279
a license fee to the Rock as
the owner of the term SmackDown. Yeah,

1787
02:02:11.279 --> 02:02:14.439
I feel like it's likely. It's
probably I would imagine that. I

1788
02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:15.319
mean, if he was smart,
he would do he would have done that.

1789
02:02:15.399 --> 02:02:17.560
Yeah, mean he is. He
can massage things. Yeah, a

1790
02:02:17.680 --> 02:02:21.000
unique position massage things. So one
of the big things out of the gate.

1791
02:02:21.039 --> 02:02:24.920
You know, just two three weeks
after SmackDown debuts at number sixteenth nineteen

1792
02:02:24.960 --> 02:02:26.880
ninety nine, they would take this
on Tuesday Nights, by the way,

1793
02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:30.439
and aired on Thursday. Yes,
I know, I remember that because sometimes

1794
02:02:30.359 --> 02:02:40.680
sometimes I would I would I would
read the spoilers before I would see the

1795
02:02:40.760 --> 02:02:42.680
show, and I was kind of
like, uh, I don't need to

1796
02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:46.720
watch it, right. And that
was a departure too, because WWE would

1797
02:02:46.800 --> 02:02:50.039
also would have their spoilers. They
would, yeah, they would. It

1798
02:02:50.039 --> 02:02:54.600
would drive him so crazy that the
the sheet sites would have the results from

1799
02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:58.960
people who attended the tapings that they
just decided we'll post them, like people

1800
02:02:58.960 --> 02:03:00.880
are going to come to us to
get characterize what's going to happen on SmackDown.

1801
02:03:00.880 --> 02:03:03.880
We're not going to just like,
you know, pretend that people can't

1802
02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:08.159
find these results if they really want
to find them. Yeah, what would

1803
02:03:08.159 --> 02:03:10.840
they what would they put? Would
they just put like one line descriptions of

1804
02:03:10.880 --> 02:03:14.359
the finishes or would they get into
detail. I don't remember. I don't

1805
02:03:14.359 --> 02:03:17.600
remember if it was a lot of
detail, but I definitely knew I lacked

1806
02:03:17.640 --> 02:03:25.399
interest to watch Thursdays. Yeah,
at times it didn't help it. Also,

1807
02:03:25.560 --> 02:03:28.439
I'm overstating, because before that,
what do they do? They did

1808
02:03:28.560 --> 02:03:30.359
raw live Monday and then tape the
next weeks. We're on Tuesday, right,

1809
02:03:30.680 --> 02:03:33.000
so you could find it was going
to happen every other Raw just as

1810
02:03:33.039 --> 02:03:36.079
easily as you could find out what
was gonna happen on SmackDown. And that

1811
02:03:36.159 --> 02:03:40.039
was during the highest ratings period the
show ever had, And there was never

1812
02:03:40.119 --> 02:03:44.319
really a big difference between the rating
of tape raw would get in the height

1813
02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:47.039
of the Attitude era versus it being
live, So as many people had access

1814
02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:50.199
to the taping results, it didn't
make any difference whatsoever when it came to

1815
02:03:50.520 --> 02:03:55.239
how many people tuned in. Yeah, so that was probably their psychology there.

1816
02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:58.520
But all of a sudden, now
it's not live raw tape, next

1817
02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:00.880
week's raw and you're done for a
week, and you kind of have a

1818
02:04:00.960 --> 02:04:03.000
week off from a writing perspective.
Now it's like no, Now Tuesday is

1819
02:04:03.039 --> 02:04:08.520
SmackDown and you need to do a
new raw Monday. That's also a big

1820
02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:12.159
change in workflow, except I'm sure
Russo would write Monday, Tuesday and one

1821
02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:14.560
day and then be done and then
have it a week with it. You

1822
02:04:14.600 --> 02:04:17.520
didn't have to worry about it or
worry about it less. So anyway,

1823
02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:21.640
September sixteenth rolls around and that SmackDown, as mentioned, that's where they decide

1824
02:04:21.680 --> 02:04:25.119
to have Vince McMahon won the title. And thanks to you for looking all

1825
02:04:25.159 --> 02:04:28.520
that up as far as like sid
to it. But here's what it hounded

1826
02:04:28.600 --> 02:04:33.119
Fike the milk out. I've never
seen anything like that through my life.

1827
02:04:35.600 --> 02:05:43.680
Can harm No, it's what's he
doing? No under money my dom day

1828
02:05:45.119 --> 02:05:56.119
form definitely a time mcman is the
Champan man is the definite w champion.

1829
02:05:58.640 --> 02:06:20.640
Whoa what's like? What a triple
quick weeks? That is the question.

1830
02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:25.880
That's something else too that marked a
line of Okay, this isn't what it

1831
02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:30.760
used to feel when Lillian Garcia and
Tony Chimmel were the voices instead of Howard

1832
02:06:30.800 --> 02:06:34.279
Finkel. Yes, and Finkle became
like the Ralphus to the newly arrived Chris

1833
02:06:34.399 --> 02:06:39.560
Jericho for a couple of weeks yep, yep, and then then he did

1834
02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:42.279
pay per views again. They did
pay per views again. But like those

1835
02:06:42.359 --> 02:06:45.760
moments like Triple H beating Mick Foley
for the title for the first time,

1836
02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:48.960
should not have Lillian Garcia announcing and
new I know, if you wanted to

1837
02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:54.079
feel like w W fans had been
trained it to feel like what a new

1838
02:06:54.159 --> 02:07:00.399
true king had been crowned. Here
we were dealing with change the the uh

1839
02:07:00.439 --> 02:07:10.520
so let me ask you this is
there is so Steve Austin coming out in

1840
02:07:10.600 --> 02:07:15.760
this It just makes me think about
the other about WrestleMania this year and stuff

1841
02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:18.760
and a big complaint about people.
I don't know, I don't remember how

1842
02:07:18.920 --> 02:07:23.279
where Austin was throughout the entire episode, if he was there or if he

1843
02:07:23.359 --> 02:07:28.159
just showed up for this this moment, but Austin made it a point almost

1844
02:07:28.159 --> 02:07:30.039
all the time. That was the
kind of a thing they did with Austin,

1845
02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:32.479
where you you wouldn't know where he
was and if he was going to

1846
02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:35.520
be there, and then all of
a sudden the glass would shatter and the

1847
02:07:35.560 --> 02:07:43.359
crowd would go nuts, And like
I just remember people saying they had a

1848
02:07:43.399 --> 02:07:46.359
problem with people being in the back. I mean, I know I said

1849
02:07:46.359 --> 02:07:49.000
I had a problem with people being
in the back, but I have certainly

1850
02:07:49.039 --> 02:07:51.840
have no problem with so call Steve
Austin coming down and saving Vince mick mannon

1851
02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:55.640
giving him the world title. Now, wouldn't you say a problem with people

1852
02:07:55.680 --> 02:08:00.880
in the back. You mean like
John Cena coming out at Wressell. Oh,

1853
02:08:01.359 --> 02:08:05.319
the idea that they're sitting there whole
time, right right, Ye,

1854
02:08:05.399 --> 02:08:09.000
I don't remember any of that.
None of has had a problem with U

1855
02:08:09.359 --> 02:08:11.800
with with Steve Austin doing it,
not at all. No, it's money.

1856
02:08:13.560 --> 02:08:16.119
Yeah, was always great. You
could you could believe that Steve Austin

1857
02:08:18.359 --> 02:08:20.680
would show up and just kind of
sit there and like monitor things, and

1858
02:08:20.760 --> 02:08:24.520
if somebody pissed him off, he'd
go out there. Yeah yeah, But

1859
02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:26.359
if nothing pissed him off, he
wouldn't go out there. He didn't have

1860
02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:30.880
a he didn't have a scheme,
a long range plan, he didn't have

1861
02:08:31.039 --> 02:08:33.199
tactics, you know, when he
would show up or he just oh okay,

1862
02:08:33.319 --> 02:08:35.720
well fuck this, I'm gonna go
out there and that this pisses me

1863
02:08:35.800 --> 02:08:39.600
off, right, this wrong,
or I'm gonna manipulate these circumstances to my

1864
02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:43.159
advantage or whatever the case might be. Yeah, the glass shatterings, fucking

1865
02:08:43.159 --> 02:08:48.319
forget about it. Oh, it's
it's it's it's always money. You hear

1866
02:08:48.439 --> 02:08:52.079
that fucking thing go off, and
it's a surprise. Forget it, dude.

1867
02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:56.319
And then he helps like just they
did the same thing when Mankind beat

1868
02:08:56.399 --> 02:08:58.439
Rock first time. He comes out
and he smacks them with a chair and

1869
02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:03.479
it's like, this is fucking amazing
because he's still off. He's still like,

1870
02:09:03.359 --> 02:09:07.119
you know, he's still being Steve
Boston, that he's still making sure

1871
02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:09.680
that what he wants to happen happens
even if he doesn't win, right,

1872
02:09:11.279 --> 02:09:13.720
right, he's still running around reminding
you that he's such a chaos agent that

1873
02:09:13.760 --> 02:09:18.119
he can basically, he can fuck
with you whenever he wants that, even

1874
02:09:18.159 --> 02:09:20.039
if that there comes a moment that
there comes a moment that this is how

1875
02:09:20.880 --> 02:09:28.479
that, this is how his mind
works. Is that right, if I'm

1876
02:09:28.520 --> 02:09:33.920
not going to have a chance to
win here against you, I can damn

1877
02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:37.680
well guarantee you that you are not
going to win, right exactly. And

1878
02:09:37.720 --> 02:09:41.680
it's not that I'm it's not that
I'm friends with the person I helped win

1879
02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:43.680
at all. I mean, for
Christ's sake, it's Vince McMahon, right,

1880
02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:48.439
but in this instance, it's going
to satisfy me more to piss you

1881
02:09:48.520 --> 02:09:52.399
off. And so Vince is going
to have to win the belt so that

1882
02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:54.960
Monday and I remember, like what
are they going to do here? Like

1883
02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:58.359
Vin's going to defend the belt?
I mean he'd wrestled. It's not like

1884
02:09:58.359 --> 02:10:03.239
like we'd never seen Vince have matches, so across my mind like is he

1885
02:10:03.279 --> 02:10:05.399
gonna have a rain? Like not
forever? But I mean it would have

1886
02:10:05.439 --> 02:10:07.840
been it would have been fun to
have him at the pay per view right

1887
02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:11.640
than the championship, like be or
be in the six pack challenge. That

1888
02:10:11.640 --> 02:10:15.199
would been fun. Would have been
fun, absolutely, but you know they

1889
02:10:15.239 --> 02:10:16.840
were, they were. It's probably
in this to me, is Vince McMahon

1890
02:10:16.840 --> 02:10:22.439
more than Russo immediately trying to like
address this like, yeah, we did

1891
02:10:22.479 --> 02:10:24.560
it for a for a moment,
we did it for a twist, but

1892
02:10:24.680 --> 02:10:28.399
we can't let the fans, for
any moment, any length of time,

1893
02:10:28.680 --> 02:10:31.640
sit with the idea that I'm actually
to be regarded as the WWF champion,

1894
02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:37.399
Like he takes the belt too seriously
and has spent too much time making the

1895
02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:39.399
belt mean something to his audience to
let that sit for too long. So

1896
02:10:39.600 --> 02:10:43.479
I mean I I sat there with
it, and I remember thinking myself,

1897
02:10:43.520 --> 02:10:46.199
well, it's about time. This
makes total sense, Like it's finally fucking

1898
02:10:46.239 --> 02:10:50.640
happened that he's won his own championship. You kind of surprised he never beat

1899
02:10:50.680 --> 02:10:54.000
Austin for the belt over those years. Yeah, yeah, like it was.

1900
02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:58.600
It was such a weird year because
while there was certain, there was

1901
02:10:58.600 --> 02:11:01.840
a certain amount of loss that he
took to all these things. He also

1902
02:11:01.600 --> 02:11:05.239
he won the Royal Rumble, which
Kyle's coming like, oh yeah, that

1903
02:11:05.520 --> 02:11:09.520
actually kind of makes sense, And
he also won the championship in ninety nine,

1904
02:11:09.640 --> 02:11:13.439
Like that was his year with two
different skins on. You know,

1905
02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:16.439
he won the Royal Rumble as the
uber heel mister McMahon fucking with Steve Austin,

1906
02:11:18.159 --> 02:11:22.359
and he won the WF title with
Steve Austin's help, yep, as

1907
02:11:22.439 --> 02:11:24.399
like a baby face. And I
remember that being that that nineteen ninety nine

1908
02:11:24.399 --> 02:11:26.920
was when it sunk in with me. This guy's actually an amazing performer,

1909
02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:30.880
Like, yes, he didn't just
look into a heel mister McMahon character that

1910
02:11:30.880 --> 02:11:33.800
people are gonna hate Boo he actually
can become a babyface just like that and

1911
02:11:33.920 --> 02:11:37.319
not change his character. He exactly
he did. He absolutely did. He

1912
02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:39.880
went back and forth and back and
forth every time he decided to turn.

1913
02:11:41.199 --> 02:11:45.439
It worked one percent. Yes,
people hated him like they want to see

1914
02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:48.000
him die, and then they loved
him like they wanted to see him take

1915
02:11:48.039 --> 02:11:50.279
over the world. And he could
do it better than anybody I've ever seen,

1916
02:11:52.119 --> 02:11:54.680
including pro wrest you know, actual
in ring pro wrestlers. So there

1917
02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:58.439
he is, and like I said, the notion that he's actually the WF

1918
02:11:58.520 --> 02:12:01.359
champion doesn't stand for very long because
the very next Monday on Raw, the

1919
02:12:01.399 --> 02:12:05.239
first thing he does is he comes
to the curtain. He's got his blazer

1920
02:12:05.319 --> 02:12:07.720
buttoned, and then he opens the
blazer and he's got the strap around his

1921
02:12:07.800 --> 02:12:11.159
waist, that old circular WWF title
boss. Yes, I like it.

1922
02:12:11.520 --> 02:12:13.600
I like it. I still stand
by it. I mean, listen,

1923
02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:20.039
it's not the classic eighties winged eagle, but I take it as a very

1924
02:12:20.119 --> 02:12:22.640
close second. I was a big
fan of it at the time. So

1925
02:12:22.760 --> 02:12:28.239
he kind of gets his moment where
he actually walks around as the champion with

1926
02:12:28.279 --> 02:12:30.560
the belt on his waist with a
smile on his face, but he's still

1927
02:12:30.600 --> 02:12:33.359
got a full suit on. He's
not here to fight. And then he

1928
02:12:33.399 --> 02:12:41.399
gives the explanation and talks about how
he was sidelined from the WWF as a

1929
02:12:41.439 --> 02:12:45.880
result of the fully loaded the aforementioned
fully loaded stipulations up until this point in

1930
02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:50.000
time, and he found himself in
this situation winning the championship. What does

1931
02:12:50.039 --> 02:12:52.600
this all mean and what are his
plans now that he's got the belt around

1932
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:54.560
his waist yet he's not really supposed
to be involved in anything. Right,

1933
02:12:54.760 --> 02:13:00.000
here's Vince giving the explanation. This
is an extended clip of basically how wet

1934
02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:05.000
it from Triple H's losing the belt
after winning it to Vince and to unforgiven

1935
02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:20.600
where it's on the line and Triple
H can get it back with a huge

1936
02:13:20.640 --> 02:13:24.880
desist from that, typsis right,
its next fall time off. Miss McMahon

1937
02:13:24.960 --> 02:13:31.119
became the w W Thursday Night on
you for the hands some Maackdawn. Oh,

1938
02:13:31.199 --> 02:13:35.279
I'm telling you, Triple A just
gotta be going nuts. For most

1939
02:13:35.319 --> 02:13:41.960
of you who don't believe that anything
could happen in the World Wrestling Federation,

1940
02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:46.800
I guess you're a believer. Now
that's the truth. Amen to that.

1941
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:58.800
You see you last Thursday when Triple
H personally provoked me, it wasn't about

1942
02:13:58.840 --> 02:14:03.720
the w w F title, No, it was simply attempting to get the

1943
02:14:03.800 --> 02:14:15.159
Triple H's ass. And thanks to
of all people, Stone Cold Steve Austin,

1944
02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:24.600
amazing yep, I became the World
Rustling Federation Champion. But being the

1945
02:14:24.760 --> 02:14:30.359
champion is all business. That's what
it's about. And as you all know,

1946
02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:37.079
per a previous contract, I'm prohibited
from engaging in day to day business

1947
02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:43.199
activities. Oh yeah, and I
live up to my words. So therefore,

1948
02:14:43.359 --> 02:14:52.520
tonight I am relinquishing the World Rustling
Federation Championship. What man, what

1949
02:14:54.039 --> 02:15:01.920
relinquishing the built and declare as the
McMahon family spokesperson that the winner of the

1950
02:15:03.000 --> 02:15:11.680
six Pack Challenge at this Sunday's Unforgiven
will be the undisputed World Wrestling Federation Champion.

1951
02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:48.960
Who That's the Sunday of papers,
Still cold, Staircase, the Stars

1952
02:15:48.039 --> 02:16:05.880
past, the coming Tapi, the
second Sector never all lost, then there's

1953
02:16:05.920 --> 02:16:13.920
no move off. That means all
cheer. You never know what's gonna happen

1954
02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:18.840
here. First of all, let
me say this, even though I still

1955
02:16:18.880 --> 02:16:24.000
hate your guts hell, you might
even still hate mine. I will say

1956
02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:28.600
this, this place just hasn't been
the same without you, you silly bastard.

1957
02:16:30.920 --> 02:16:35.280
I think that was a compliment.
Now from what I'm picking up with

1958
02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:41.479
you, relinquishing the World Wrestling Federation
title and taking yourself out of the match

1959
02:16:41.479 --> 02:16:46.600
you're I'm forgiven that leaves only five
people in a six pack match, and

1960
02:16:46.760 --> 02:16:52.600
you can believe me, nobody here
knows a six pack better than Stone Coach

1961
02:16:52.639 --> 02:17:00.760
Steve Owsen a Stone pull six pack. So when I'm proposing to you as

1962
02:17:01.920 --> 02:17:07.959
what I'll do is take your place
in that six pack match and unforgiven and

1963
02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:11.680
take back exactly what is mine,
and that's the World Russelly Federation title.

1964
02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:18.920
Did he do that? I don't
know. It's a fair request. I

1965
02:17:20.040 --> 02:17:24.879
cannot and will not engage in normal
business activities. I can't do that.

1966
02:17:24.959 --> 02:17:28.200
I know that's what they want.
I can't do that, even if he

1967
02:17:28.280 --> 02:17:37.239
wanted to hear that. You're damn
right your kids, and believe me,

1968
02:17:37.479 --> 02:17:41.319
Jack, you won't. Jack.
I know what you do in trying to

1969
02:17:41.440 --> 02:17:48.959
pull, but I have every right
to be in that six pack match,

1970
02:17:48.000 --> 02:18:01.639
and unforgiven the two you stole from
me, like sleeves in the night.

1971
02:18:01.079 --> 02:18:05.479
You stole my property. Idiot,
you kill my goal. I told you,

1972
02:18:05.559 --> 02:18:09.280
that's what he thought. As if
Helsley hasn't broken the rules, Mary

1973
02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:18.159
felt like it. I think you're
in Houston. They're calling your name again.

1974
02:18:24.440 --> 02:18:28.399
You needn't got good of trap with
these idiots sticks. I don't care.

1975
02:18:30.200 --> 02:18:35.399
I could care lest you get all
kissed my ass. I can't even

1976
02:18:35.479 --> 02:18:39.159
the words you're saying, because you've
got nineteen thousand people calls you an asshole.

1977
02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:48.239
Where your report your song triple h
Vince, it goes like this.

1978
02:18:48.920 --> 02:18:54.000
You've gotten two choices. You either
get me my slot in a six pack

1979
02:18:54.120 --> 02:19:01.479
match, or I swear to God
and Vince, you look me dead in

1980
02:19:01.600 --> 02:19:05.760
my eyes, and you will know
that I am not lying. You will

1981
02:19:05.879 --> 02:19:09.600
personally watch as one of your family
members takes a ride out of this building

1982
02:19:09.680 --> 02:19:15.879
on a stretcher. Oh come on, that's that's that's cheam for us Vines

1983
02:19:16.040 --> 02:19:22.920
family, And no chance, man, old man isn't getting interesting here.

1984
02:19:22.280 --> 02:19:28.879
They're saying, McMahon, hey,
listen to Simles. Nobody in my family

1985
02:19:30.000 --> 02:19:35.159
is gonna be hurt ever again by
the likes by you. Ever. As

1986
02:19:35.239 --> 02:19:39.920
my mother said last week Trimple H. You chunk your own brave. Now

1987
02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:43.399
you have to lie in it.
Payback, Sarah, bitch, Triple H.

1988
02:19:43.680 --> 02:19:46.680
And tonight you will learn the meeting
of the work payback, because tonight

1989
02:19:46.840 --> 02:19:52.440
in that very ring, it's you
in China in a special tag team match

1990
02:19:52.799 --> 02:19:58.239
against Shane and Ben s McMahan.
Where does the mcmah boys, what get

1991
02:19:58.360 --> 02:20:03.479
damn song? Oh they've got surprise
box. What's something? Man's I guess?

1992
02:20:03.680 --> 02:20:07.719
Triple H T and China here to
night. We stop letting that hot

1993
02:20:07.760 --> 02:20:13.280
headed son of a bitch run your
company, Vince one, your girls said,

1994
02:20:13.319 --> 02:20:20.879
and take back your damn company.
Oh nothing would please me any greater

1995
02:20:20.959 --> 02:20:24.760
to get in my hands on the
rings of the World Wrestling Federation again.

1996
02:20:24.680 --> 02:20:30.280
But you know damn well the contract
we signed and fully loaded and stated that

1997
02:20:30.319 --> 02:20:33.840
if the Undertaker didn't defeat you,
I was gonna be on the sidelines.

1998
02:20:33.840 --> 02:20:39.840
And unfortunately that's exactly where I am. That was in July, Jesus Christ,

1999
02:20:41.040 --> 02:20:45.440
Vince Dan, your little hotshot lawyers
read the Five Prince. The Five

2000
02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:50.760
Prince said that only one son of
a bitch could reinstate you in the World

2001
02:20:50.799 --> 02:20:56.000
Wrestling Federation. What tait a minute. Are you trying to say, and

2002
02:20:56.200 --> 02:21:01.000
that one son of a bitch would
be me Stone, old Steve Alston,

2003
02:21:01.799 --> 02:21:07.360
ma'am, that's a blockbuster. What
are you saying? What I'm saying is

2004
02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:11.639
I'll reinstate your ass back in the
World Wrestling Federation right now. If you've

2005
02:21:11.719 --> 02:21:16.799
granted me my World Wrestling Federation title
shots, man, that's a deal for

2006
02:21:18.000 --> 02:21:22.840
you. That's bribery. If that's
me, then I'm gonna consider myself reinstated.

2007
02:21:22.920 --> 02:21:28.760
Coach. You just got your title
shot. Long stands. This thing

2008
02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:33.280
never back in the sadder here wait
a minute, but it won't be.

2009
02:21:35.280 --> 02:21:39.879
It won't be an unforgiven. No
what you meet, you meet the winner

2010
02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:46.200
of the match at unforgiven. The
person that's gonna be in that six pack

2011
02:21:46.360 --> 02:21:48.760
challenge, and I'm not rewarding him, don't get me wrong. Is gonna

2012
02:21:48.760 --> 02:21:52.479
be you, Triple H Coast.
There are five other guys who wanted you're

2013
02:21:52.559 --> 02:21:56.520
ask just as badly. It's like
you tonight, boy, that's a fact.

2014
02:21:56.319 --> 02:22:01.120
Let's starting triple to stay or fine, But you know what, screw

2015
02:22:01.319 --> 02:22:11.159
you, Vince Oh no, no, screw me, Vince mcman no,

2016
02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:15.479
no, screw you. Since the
referees are on strike. Guess what.

2017
02:22:16.000 --> 02:22:20.079
There is now a special enforcer in
the six pack Chige and his name a

2018
02:22:20.280 --> 02:22:28.360
stone called is gonna be The porcers
asked the bottle bar, go stall,

2019
02:22:28.879 --> 02:22:37.479
go send. So you can't believe
it took care of a lot of business

2020
02:22:37.520 --> 02:22:43.000
there, didn't they Jesus Christ?
How many how many boxes did they check

2021
02:22:43.079 --> 02:22:48.280
in that one talking segment? That's
unbelievable. So like all this stuff is

2022
02:22:48.360 --> 02:22:50.840
now like reversed, and all this
stuff about Vince on the sidelines in Austin

2023
02:22:50.959 --> 02:22:56.239
is the boss and Vince's the champion
and Triple H is the the rightful champion.

2024
02:22:56.360 --> 02:23:01.840
It's all like I know, and
my mom needs to you know,

2025
02:23:03.159 --> 02:23:05.000
grocery shop. Yeah, that was
unspoken, but it was there. Absolutely.

2026
02:23:05.719 --> 02:23:09.319
Remember what opening talking segments on raw
felt that way? Oh my god,

2027
02:23:09.360 --> 02:23:13.760
I'm not saying but I mean,
it doesn't feel like that anymore.

2028
02:23:13.760 --> 02:23:18.879
What you felt like something happened like
there there was you know, there really

2029
02:23:20.079 --> 02:23:26.520
was not a wasted moment there.
You know, like everything built off the

2030
02:23:28.120 --> 02:23:31.319
off of what was said, and
they went from a point A to a

2031
02:23:31.440 --> 02:23:37.680
point B to a point C,
and you know it, it got it

2032
02:23:37.799 --> 02:23:41.239
got to the you know it,
it didn't feel like it was meandering or

2033
02:23:41.879 --> 02:23:46.079
self congratulatory or just other bullshit.
It was like, no, no one's

2034
02:23:46.079 --> 02:23:52.000
out there to hear themselves talk right
out on the public, right, and

2035
02:23:52.520 --> 02:23:58.360
it it just worked so true.
So that's how we get done forgiven.

2036
02:23:58.440 --> 02:24:01.040
I mean, that's all the pieces
there. And to hear Vince in that

2037
02:24:01.159 --> 02:24:07.440
element, like you know, because
like there was something about him still keeping

2038
02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:13.079
that like very formal, you know, corporate executive way of talking in phraseology

2039
02:24:13.440 --> 02:24:18.000
like he wasn't He wasn't like yet
the Vince that would uh, you know,

2040
02:24:18.159 --> 02:24:20.959
melt down in a total fucking speaking
in tongue psychopath. We hadn't seen

2041
02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:24.399
that Vince yet, right, They
hadn't run the nWo poison thing, so

2042
02:24:24.479 --> 02:24:28.799
he hadn't explored that part of his
fucking range yet. So we're still talking

2043
02:24:28.920 --> 02:24:31.840
like he would talk when he was
at Loggerheads with Steve Austin as the corporate

2044
02:24:31.920 --> 02:24:35.840
champion or trying to get Steve Austin
to act like the corporate champion. But

2045
02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:39.920
all of a sudden, now that
kind of like formality of talking and the

2046
02:24:39.360 --> 02:24:46.319
cold Steve Austin is just fucking It's
amazing in the way it accentuates what's going

2047
02:24:46.399 --> 02:24:48.920
on here, because it's like,
now we have a guy, you know,

2048
02:24:48.920 --> 02:24:52.760
who's like by the books with with
tremendous power, agreeing that Steve Austin

2049
02:24:52.879 --> 02:24:56.840
is actually on the right side of
this one, and that's a new kind

2050
02:24:56.840 --> 02:25:00.360
of electricity than we were accustomed to
in them. Yes. Agree, So

2051
02:25:00.399 --> 02:25:03.680
it definitely benefited Triple H. I
think to be in a position that that

2052
02:25:03.799 --> 02:25:07.200
intraplay with Steve Austin and Vince McMahon
as it took on kind of a new

2053
02:25:07.239 --> 02:25:11.159
shade. But yeah, just it's
just when you watch those opening talking segments

2054
02:25:11.200 --> 02:25:15.559
of those Attitude era ras man,
it's like, oh, it's it's nothing.

2055
02:25:15.760 --> 02:25:16.360
I mean, it's like it's like
you're hooked for the rest of the

2056
02:25:16.399 --> 02:25:20.079
show. You have to watch the
next two hours. You have to yep.

2057
02:25:20.760 --> 02:25:22.680
And they stop doing that in a
lot of ways. They stopped doing

2058
02:25:22.760 --> 02:25:26.600
that once they went to three hours
and they realize that actually the top of

2059
02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:30.879
the second hour is where the most
audience is, and once you start to

2060
02:25:30.879 --> 02:25:33.680
get to ten to eleven, Like
even though when they were on from ten

2061
02:25:33.719 --> 02:25:37.959
to eleven in the Attitude era,
it's just the numbers aren't there to justify

2062
02:25:37.280 --> 02:25:41.399
shooting your hottest angles and putting your
biggest stars on TV. It's just you're

2063
02:25:41.440 --> 02:25:45.159
not putting the people out there that
can maximum. It's kind of funny,

2064
02:25:45.319 --> 02:25:50.920
like it's kind of funny like that. You I mean, yeah, I

2065
02:25:50.040 --> 02:26:00.920
I it's interesting to me how they
then cater to what the audience says versus

2066
02:26:01.200 --> 02:26:05.360
trying to keep the audience watching what
they want, right, you know what

2067
02:26:05.399 --> 02:26:09.760
I mean, they just sort of
like they just like accept defeat. Right

2068
02:26:09.920 --> 02:26:13.120
to me, that that's exactly what
that is. Like You're not trying to

2069
02:26:13.159 --> 02:26:16.000
get them to watch. You're you're
you're setting up the fact that, okay,

2070
02:26:16.120 --> 02:26:20.120
that they're not. We're never going
to get them past this hour.

2071
02:26:20.319 --> 02:26:22.920
Let's just do this. And it's
like during the Abjude era, it never

2072
02:26:24.000 --> 02:26:26.479
really felt like that. It felt
like you just you need like the big

2073
02:26:26.559 --> 02:26:28.600
stuff was always going to happen at
the end. You know, the big

2074
02:26:28.680 --> 02:26:33.760
angle was going to happen at the
end where you would want to keep watching,

2075
02:26:35.520 --> 02:26:39.360
right right, you wish rawls on
for another hour to see the fallout.

2076
02:26:39.559 --> 02:26:41.639
Yeah, It's it's very true.
I mean I think what happened is

2077
02:26:41.680 --> 02:26:46.639
the years went by, they started
to game out like, Okay, you

2078
02:26:46.680 --> 02:26:48.840
know, we're on against a lot
of other live competition, like when when

2079
02:26:48.920 --> 02:26:52.840
is that competition going to EBB to
where when does the football game end?

2080
02:26:52.399 --> 02:26:56.120
But people are still looking for something
to watch on television as opposed to go

2081
02:26:56.200 --> 02:26:58.959
to bed. That's when won't put
our big angle And if it's not football

2082
02:27:00.040 --> 02:27:03.120
season, we'll put it at this
time and if they like, they analyze

2083
02:27:03.239 --> 02:27:07.680
years of trends on that same way
in deciding where to put certain things.

2084
02:27:07.719 --> 02:27:11.879
I feel, I'm so annoyed.
It's it's very annoying because the only way

2085
02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:16.040
to do it open segment previews the
main event. It's it. It's the

2086
02:27:16.079 --> 02:27:18.879
only way to do it. Every
other form, I don't care what games

2087
02:27:18.920 --> 02:27:22.159
you play, what spreadsheets you have, is is an inferior way to do

2088
02:27:22.239 --> 02:27:26.040
it. Opening segment, your Biggest
Stars, closing segment, your Biggest Stars

2089
02:27:26.159 --> 02:27:28.799
closing segment references what happened in the
opening segment, and then you can do

2090
02:27:28.879 --> 02:27:33.360
some interstitials across the way to keep
people running. Mean, that's the thing

2091
02:27:33.399 --> 02:27:35.440
too, like I think you need
to have that that there's no other way

2092
02:27:35.879 --> 02:27:39.879
period. One of the things that's
really that's really lost too is the fact

2093
02:27:39.920 --> 02:27:45.600
that there's no there's no through line
through each episode, like it's it's so

2094
02:27:45.840 --> 02:27:50.639
segmented, you know, like there's
no sense of it being a complete show

2095
02:27:52.920 --> 02:27:58.840
or like everyone every every every segment
is its own YouTube clip, right and

2096
02:28:00.040 --> 02:28:03.639
now with the show being three hours, matches go over two segments now,

2097
02:28:03.879 --> 02:28:07.319
so it's like the matches never seen
to end when when they are in there,

2098
02:28:07.360 --> 02:28:09.600
and sometimes they're great. It's and
I'm not complaining, I'm just saying

2099
02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:13.760
it's just such a different viewing experience. But like, i mean, think

2100
02:28:13.799 --> 02:28:16.079
about it too, in terms of
some of these episodes, you know,

2101
02:28:16.360 --> 02:28:20.159
some of these these Prime Attitude episodes. I mean we you know, we've

2102
02:28:20.239 --> 02:28:24.760
talked about this that nauseum I know, but we're here is you know,

2103
02:28:24.879 --> 02:28:31.520
you'd have you'd have like Steve Austin
would not just be there once or twice.

2104
02:28:31.479 --> 02:28:35.600
He'd be there throughout the show,
you know, in little segments here

2105
02:28:35.639 --> 02:28:39.719
and there, behind the scenes things
and whatever. It wasn't just this this

2106
02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:43.520
like okay, you've done your bit, now you can go home. It

2107
02:28:43.719 --> 02:28:46.719
was no, there's there's more to
be said here. It's still cooking.

2108
02:28:46.760 --> 02:28:48.879
This thing is still similar it was
on the side, it was it was

2109
02:28:50.959 --> 02:28:54.959
you know, more thought out like, you know, I feel like part

2110
02:28:54.000 --> 02:28:56.959
of it is his laziness in the
writing. It's like, ugh, I

2111
02:28:58.000 --> 02:29:01.719
don't want to have to think about
inserting little segments throughout the whole show referencing

2112
02:29:01.760 --> 02:29:05.280
this, and let's just put everything
here and that's it, yeah, and

2113
02:29:05.360 --> 02:29:09.360
we move on. It's kind of
like what the a under this is exactly

2114
02:29:09.399 --> 02:29:11.799
what it is, But it's kind
of like how the show would begin to

2115
02:29:11.879 --> 02:29:16.760
resemble if you assigned different writers and
producers to different wrestlers, and angles are

2116
02:29:16.760 --> 02:29:20.079
supposed to have one person orchestrate everyone's
angles. Yeah, I mean it's like,

2117
02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:24.520
honestly, you're right, it feels
like an anthology movie, you know,

2118
02:29:24.600 --> 02:29:31.000
where they have those movies that are
basically a bunch of shorts. Then

2119
02:29:31.280 --> 02:29:35.440
you know that are that are disconnected. It's right, you know it's yeah,

2120
02:29:35.079 --> 02:29:39.719
and there's a sheet and you want
to know something to you want to

2121
02:29:39.760 --> 02:29:43.000
know something. I never like those
movies. I want to do movies so

2122
02:29:43.120 --> 02:29:46.840
bad, but I don't like those
movies at all, even if they're directed

2123
02:29:46.840 --> 02:29:48.559
by some of my favorite directors.
I don't care to understand what the way

2124
02:29:48.600 --> 02:29:52.200
they do it. Now they can
all pass around a sheet that says seg

2125
02:29:52.319 --> 02:29:58.479
two producers, Billy Kidman and list
Can we pass? Give me a hey?

2126
02:29:58.520 --> 02:30:03.799
Can I get the pages for for
SEG two version three? It lists

2127
02:30:03.920 --> 02:30:11.399
personnel in in slim fitting suits and
brogues with their ankles showing with no socks.

2128
02:30:11.959 --> 02:30:16.799
Who are responsible for this segment?
Who? Who? First of all,

2129
02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:20.600
what are the costumes for this?
For this segment, for this on

2130
02:30:20.799 --> 02:30:26.920
air on air visual segment? Oh
God, fucking kill me. I hate

2131
02:30:26.959 --> 02:30:33.239
it. Well, that's Triple or
TV production. What's that? We're TV

2132
02:30:33.360 --> 02:30:35.879
production, We're a production entity.
I'm not going to do that that.

2133
02:30:37.879 --> 02:30:43.479
Uh you know. We we provide
weekly entertainment escapism. Uh you know,

2134
02:30:45.520 --> 02:30:50.520
major you know, focusing on the
the very desirable eighteen to thirty four demographic

2135
02:30:50.600 --> 02:30:58.600
of of of content observers. We
don't have audience members anymore. We have

2136
02:30:58.280 --> 02:31:09.440
the a w WE content deservers longer
have content observers. Well, Triple Ah

2137
02:31:09.559 --> 02:31:11.680
is the chief content officer. I
mean, listen, we can't listen.

2138
02:31:13.319 --> 02:31:18.159
I think I think it's calling them
the w W universe is a little we

2139
02:31:18.239 --> 02:31:22.360
can't call them fans because they're not
and we W universe is too far out

2140
02:31:22.399 --> 02:31:24.879
there. I think we got to
kind of get down to what they are.

2141
02:31:26.719 --> 02:31:31.840
And whenever we reference the people watching
our product, we call them the

2142
02:31:31.120 --> 02:31:41.079
w w WE Content Observers focus group, Panel Panel. So I want to

2143
02:31:41.159 --> 02:31:43.559
reach out, you know, this
is a mock promo. I want to

2144
02:31:43.639 --> 02:31:50.879
reach out to all the members of
the w w WE Content Observers. All

2145
02:31:50.959 --> 02:32:01.440
right, I think that I think
that that'll that'll play better to to you

2146
02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:07.920
know, the different algorithms that you
know, we want, you know,

2147
02:32:09.239 --> 02:32:16.159
we basically want you know, we
want to take our WWE superstars or entertainers.

2148
02:32:16.639 --> 02:32:20.280
We want to make them influencers.
So we want them to be the

2149
02:32:20.600 --> 02:32:26.440
WWE influent influential stars. So here's
this full house at Lincoln Financial Field,

2150
02:32:26.719 --> 02:32:31.360
mistrail effect. Should we consider these
people here to see wrestling matches, are

2151
02:32:31.399 --> 02:32:43.680
here to see content, game content? Tell them content, absolutely content.

2152
02:32:43.680 --> 02:32:50.719
We produce content. So that is
triple h as it regards Unforgiven nineteen ninety

2153
02:32:50.799 --> 02:32:54.440
nine. A lot to say there, and it's been said. But he's

2154
02:32:54.479 --> 02:32:58.559
not the only wrestler, of course
in the six pack. Now there's quite

2155
02:32:58.559 --> 02:33:05.040
a few. Go there's Caine,
there's Mankind, and there is the British

2156
02:33:05.079 --> 02:33:26.799
Bulldog. There mean hm out one
now men him med him out me me

2157
02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:52.280
me, me me meanie meie him
Bulldog in jeans Attitude Era. How how

2158
02:33:52.399 --> 02:33:56.600
fucking annoying is that he's not in
jeans on this show? There's the Union

2159
02:33:56.719 --> 02:34:01.159
Jampan what a loose? I was
looking? Did you have wrestling jeans on

2160
02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:05.559
pay per view? Yeah? Oh
yeah, tell Nuer what what do you

2161
02:34:05.639 --> 02:34:09.159
do? Oh? I mean he's
on He's on Armageddon, He's on No

2162
02:34:09.360 --> 02:34:13.840
Mercy, He's on Survivor series does
a rebellion? They make reference to it

2163
02:34:13.879 --> 02:34:16.479
on the pay per view. There's
a UK show coming up on Skybox Office.

2164
02:34:16.559 --> 02:34:20.399
Oh yeah, he is the on
the network is Rock Triplation in a

2165
02:34:20.440 --> 02:34:22.479
cage and he's all over the show
in jeans. He wrestles XPOC beats him

2166
02:34:24.159 --> 02:34:30.280
and then yeah he's ferous wrestled and
I know so I bought the The Armageddon

2167
02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:37.680
ninety nine VHS becas Tits and and
I remember it. Yeah he does.

2168
02:34:37.799 --> 02:34:46.920
He wrestles in jeans in the European
Championship match against uh uh, it's Valving

2169
02:34:46.959 --> 02:34:48.920
this maybe Steve Blackman too. It's
fun because I remember this now now that

2170
02:34:48.959 --> 02:34:52.000
I'm watching this back, I'm like, yes, it was like Rock coming

2171
02:34:52.040 --> 02:34:54.879
out at Wrestlingania fifteen. It was
like, wow, he's not wearing the

2172
02:34:54.920 --> 02:34:58.799
tracksuit. He's back in the truck. I get the rock I want,

2173
02:34:58.879 --> 02:35:01.280
I get the rock I envision,
I get the rock of an action figure.

2174
02:35:01.280 --> 02:35:03.879
And here I get the Davy boy
Smith of an action figure for just

2175
02:35:03.959 --> 02:35:07.879
once in this ninety nine two Yeah
run yeah, it does not happen ever

2176
02:35:07.000 --> 02:35:11.600
again, I don't think so.
It was an interesting return to the WWF

2177
02:35:11.680 --> 02:35:15.040
for the Bulldog. Do you remember
that promo he did on Raw after he

2178
02:35:15.079 --> 02:35:18.719
made his first SmackDown appearance, kind
of coming out like with a leisure suit,

2179
02:35:18.879 --> 02:35:22.840
huge lapels. I remember, like
it's funny. I do remember.

2180
02:35:22.879 --> 02:35:26.840
I don't remember anything he said,
but I remember the moment. I remember

2181
02:35:26.959 --> 02:35:31.200
him coming out. I remember being
pretty ecstatic. Actually, you know,

2182
02:35:31.399 --> 02:35:35.280
this is a Hasbro guy. Yeah, like you know I was. I

2183
02:35:35.440 --> 02:35:41.399
never thought we'd get the Hard Foundation
guy's back ever, you know, and

2184
02:35:41.559 --> 02:35:45.280
so here comes here comes Davy,
and I was like, oh shit,

2185
02:35:45.399 --> 02:35:48.799
like this is this is pretty cool? Like I wasn't expecting that. And

2186
02:35:48.920 --> 02:35:54.200
then you know, it's pretty quickly
mid card central and you forget about him,

2187
02:35:54.360 --> 02:35:56.760
but he does in the very beginning
frame it up is I'm going for

2188
02:35:56.840 --> 02:35:58.680
the WWF title. That's the belt
I've never won. Yes, yes,

2189
02:36:00.000 --> 02:36:03.120
remember that allowed you to think for
a second that he was actually going to

2190
02:36:03.159 --> 02:36:05.040
be pushed, you know what I
mean, commensurate with where he left.

2191
02:36:05.680 --> 02:36:09.559
They allowed him to think that he
was actually going to get pushed. So

2192
02:36:09.680 --> 02:36:13.200
this is the only spark of optimism
of this run for Davy Boy Smith.

2193
02:36:13.239 --> 02:36:16.360
I think fans were really allowed to
have. This is his first appearance on

2194
02:36:16.479 --> 02:36:20.639
Raw after showing up on SmackDown and
doing the thing where he takes the hardcore

2195
02:36:20.719 --> 02:36:24.959
title and in an instant and gets
involved with boss Man and Al Snow for

2196
02:36:26.040 --> 02:36:30.000
some reason that he targets Rock And
wasn't he the guy when the Rock did

2197
02:36:30.079 --> 02:36:35.280
the sliding people's elbow with the loafers, that famous thing. I think either

2198
02:36:35.959 --> 02:36:43.200
it was either was Bulldog or it
was he was involved in that situation somehow.

2199
02:36:43.559 --> 02:36:46.040
So here's the messaging and here's the
return to Monday Night Raw on this

2200
02:36:46.239 --> 02:36:52.479
ill fated run of Davy Boy Smith. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome one

2201
02:36:52.559 --> 02:37:00.959
of the most honored athletes in the
history of that d Baby Boy Smith Wool

2202
02:37:05.280 --> 02:37:09.559
whatever he is, the British Bulldogs. I still can't believe what he did.

2203
02:37:09.680 --> 02:37:16.600
Next week he showed up out of
nowhereat Big Bossman with the hard Courts

2204
02:37:16.639 --> 02:37:20.559
title, and then as he was
walking away, he handed the hard court

2205
02:37:20.680 --> 02:37:26.600
title. Is that idiot Al Snow? I'm still in shocking now for some

2206
02:37:26.799 --> 02:37:33.239
reason, SAYR wants to be the
man to talk to the British bulldog an

2207
02:37:33.280 --> 02:37:37.319
ugly suit. Have you got a
couple of questions that I'm sure as all

2208
02:37:37.360 --> 02:37:41.079
the fans here, I'd like to
ask you now, did giving Al Snow

2209
02:37:41.200 --> 02:37:46.040
the Hardcore title after you wanted have
anything to do with your motivation on why

2210
02:37:46.120 --> 02:37:50.559
you came back to the WWB.
Well, First of all, Jim,

2211
02:37:52.280 --> 02:37:56.040
that's why to let everyone know him. The reason I give El snowl first

2212
02:37:56.079 --> 02:38:03.559
Hoodlefold belt is because he he deserves
it. Second of all, I wanted

2213
02:38:03.639 --> 02:38:09.239
to show all the people, are
the all the dotors that didn't think the

2214
02:38:09.360 --> 02:38:15.159
British Bulldog could make a comeback after
his injury, that I could come back.

2215
02:38:16.079 --> 02:38:20.440
Because you know what, Jim,
just stand here live in Anaheim,

2216
02:38:20.559 --> 02:38:28.600
California. It's a rather remarkable comeback. All these people know I've been the

2217
02:38:28.680 --> 02:38:35.000
European Champion, I've been the Unconnell
Champion, and I was one half of

2218
02:38:35.120 --> 02:38:41.799
the World Wrestling Federation Tag Team Champions. But there's only one belt that the

2219
02:38:41.879 --> 02:38:46.959
British Bulldog has not quite got his
grips on, and that's the w WF

2220
02:38:48.440 --> 02:38:56.959
Championship. Before I retire and get
out of the World Wrestling Federation, and

2221
02:38:58.120 --> 02:39:01.120
let me add, that's going to
be a lot time before I do that,

2222
02:39:03.239 --> 02:39:09.600
I will be the World Wrestling Federation
Champion. Have a Bulldogs EPI after

2223
02:39:09.719 --> 02:39:15.360
triple h two. So yeah,
that was the spark of optimism there.

2224
02:39:16.559 --> 02:39:18.840
Sounds like he's onf way, I
mean, sir, I thought so.

2225
02:39:20.000 --> 02:39:22.920
Actually he's talked about coming back from
injury and proving, you know, that

2226
02:39:22.959 --> 02:39:26.639
he could do it, and of
course he's referencing a WCW injury, something

2227
02:39:26.680 --> 02:39:28.200
that I think it's kind of presumptuous
that the fans would even know about that

2228
02:39:28.239 --> 02:39:31.200
injury. Maybe they talked about it
on television. I don't remember. But

2229
02:39:31.760 --> 02:39:35.200
in the book that came out,
Dynamite and Davy the Explosive Lives of the

2230
02:39:35.239 --> 02:39:37.879
British Bulldogs, taking a look,
of course, at both careers, they

2231
02:39:37.000 --> 02:39:41.079
recapped where Davey found himself between getting
hurt in nineteen ninety eight, WCW and

2232
02:39:41.280 --> 02:39:45.000
here making this return in the fall
of nineteen ninety nine to the WWF.

2233
02:39:45.559 --> 02:39:48.600
Was it in a back alley?
Isn't that where he found himself? April

2234
02:39:48.639 --> 02:39:52.840
seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine, Calgary
Hospital. Davy, now in full body

2235
02:39:52.920 --> 02:39:56.600
cast, managed to smile for the
first time in a long time as he

2236
02:39:56.639 --> 02:39:58.559
could remember, as long as he
could remember, when two of the friendliest

2237
02:39:58.600 --> 02:40:01.399
faces in life, Owen and Mick
Foley, visited him in the hospital.

2238
02:40:01.440 --> 02:40:05.399
The WWF for back in Calgary for
a house show. Oh what had excitedly

2239
02:40:05.399 --> 02:40:07.280
given Mick directions from the airport is
Mick wanted to visit Davy the moment they

2240
02:40:07.360 --> 02:40:11.159
landed in Calgary for the evening's house
show. He assumed there would be a

2241
02:40:11.200 --> 02:40:16.000
crowd of burly wrestlers. They are
eager to take the same opportunity. Nobody

2242
02:40:16.040 --> 02:40:20.680
cares, But he'd be saddened when
he found not one other single member of

2243
02:40:20.719 --> 02:40:24.959
the w w F roster had bothered
to visit Davy. He would later write

2244
02:40:24.959 --> 02:40:28.760
that it was the saddest day of
his whole career, the day he realized

2245
02:40:28.799 --> 02:40:31.040
the so called wrestling family was not
that at all, and no matter how

2246
02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:35.680
popular or respected you appeared to be
in the locker room. Once the business

2247
02:40:35.000 --> 02:40:39.920
had used you up and spat you
out, even the majority of the boys

2248
02:40:39.479 --> 02:40:45.600
would forget about you. Wait,
Foley just realized that, or Dave bulldog,

2249
02:40:46.360 --> 02:40:50.280
oh, or just realize that.
Yes, Wow told Mick off his

2250
02:40:50.319 --> 02:40:56.719
shoddy treatment at WCW and and Mick
talked about all that happened in his career,

2251
02:40:56.799 --> 02:41:03.600
and they talked about the big guy
had shorted treatment. I'll tell you

2252
02:41:03.760 --> 02:41:09.879
right now, I am the British
bulldog hiring my hometown of the hospital.

2253
02:41:09.760 --> 02:41:15.440
Well it's Calgary, I mean it's
his adopted hometown. No, the hospital

2254
02:41:15.520 --> 02:41:20.200
is my hometown. The conversation escalated
quickly, and soon Owen was holding a

2255
02:41:20.239 --> 02:41:22.079
phone to Davy's ear, with Vince
McMahon on the end of the line.

2256
02:41:22.920 --> 02:41:24.559
You know, pal, you know
that's what it says. You know,

2257
02:41:24.639 --> 02:41:28.559
Powell, we'd like you to finish
your career off here with your family,

2258
02:41:28.600 --> 02:41:31.840
Evince told Davy. You know,
I mean, I don't mean Brett,

2259
02:41:33.559 --> 02:41:39.200
I don't mean right, you know, I mean family in a loose term.

2260
02:41:39.639 --> 02:41:43.559
And Owen wouldn't be there either by
the time he came in. You

2261
02:41:43.600 --> 02:41:45.760
know me, Vince, I've come
back from worse things, Davy said,

2262
02:41:45.760 --> 02:41:48.079
as he lay in a full body
cast on a morphine trip. I'll be

2263
02:41:48.120 --> 02:41:48.959
back in the ring before you know
it. As long as you've got a

2264
02:41:48.959 --> 02:41:52.639
place for me, If you can
get yourself healthy, there's always a home

2265
02:41:52.680 --> 02:41:56.559
for you here, Vince assured him, and with that, Davy was given

2266
02:41:56.600 --> 02:41:58.719
the hope he needed. He began
to tell people that he had one more

2267
02:41:58.760 --> 02:42:03.440
run left. I've got a couple
women that I can send your way if

2268
02:42:03.479 --> 02:42:07.399
you want to use them for contract
negotiations. How do you feel about that?

2269
02:42:13.000 --> 02:42:15.639
And a dreamed of al fill and
wrestling before he retired to tag with

2270
02:42:15.719 --> 02:42:18.000
his son Harry, who was showing
real promises. He continued his training in

2271
02:42:18.000 --> 02:42:20.319
the dungeon. But he's in there
taking the whompen too, the corner where

2272
02:42:20.319 --> 02:42:24.440
he front flips. Yes, oh
yeah, he's kind of sporting. God

2273
02:42:24.200 --> 02:42:28.600
he looks a fucking mess, though, God does he look fucking Was he

2274
02:42:28.680 --> 02:42:31.799
a mess? Though? Was he
a mess? Where can we turn to

2275
02:42:31.879 --> 02:42:33.719
find out? Well, I'll tell
you. You know, you know,

2276
02:42:35.520 --> 02:42:41.079
there's only one person who knows him
better than anybody, and I think that

2277
02:42:41.159 --> 02:42:48.799
would be his his former wife.
As she digs under the man, the

2278
02:42:48.840 --> 02:42:52.440
mat, So before you get into
the chapter, yes, that fully outlines

2279
02:42:52.479 --> 02:42:54.840
Bulldogs return to WWF in nineteen ninety
nine, as epitomized in so many ways

2280
02:42:56.159 --> 02:42:58.799
by this appearance in the six Pack
Challenge, arguably his highest profile appearance of

2281
02:42:58.840 --> 02:43:03.200
the run. I think he oh, no, no question, Well yeah,

2282
02:43:03.479 --> 02:43:05.600
I would say this, and then
his next one would have been facing

2283
02:43:09.920 --> 02:43:16.719
Austin I mean as the Rock next
month. Certainly he gets involved, No,

2284
02:43:16.000 --> 02:43:20.120
no, this is his only main
event though, right right, he

2285
02:43:20.200 --> 02:43:22.479
gets involved with the Minivent picture a
bit when you know, they push him

2286
02:43:22.520 --> 02:43:24.159
hard when he first comes back in. You can't forget this is just months

2287
02:43:24.200 --> 02:43:28.360
after Owen heart falls from his death. Oh well, you know, to

2288
02:43:28.520 --> 02:43:31.879
his death, I should have said, and suddenly, Dave, he's coming

2289
02:43:31.959 --> 02:43:33.840
in. I mean that's that says
a lot about the Heart family situation,

2290
02:43:35.479 --> 02:43:37.559
yep, in terms of things,
But we'll get into all that. So

2291
02:43:39.520 --> 02:43:41.440
just before you get into the chapter
about that, you know, as Diana

2292
02:43:41.520 --> 02:43:46.600
writes, it's getting very clear during
Bulldogs nineteen ninety eight WCW run that the

2293
02:43:46.639 --> 02:43:52.040
drug issues are really getting difficult.
He's he's becoming less communicative from the road

2294
02:43:52.200 --> 02:43:56.280
and basically it's you know, on
thin ice with WCW because of his and

2295
02:43:56.319 --> 02:44:00.440
Jim Nineheart's drug issues and the question
of whether he's burned Bridges because don't forget

2296
02:44:00.479 --> 02:44:03.600
he walked out of the company after
Montreal. Yep. And now you know

2297
02:44:03.639 --> 02:44:07.079
they're so screwed up that you know, we're out of w W lock room

2298
02:44:07.079 --> 02:44:09.040
as the kin put their boots on
straight. And then of course he had

2299
02:44:09.079 --> 02:44:13.079
the trapdoor incident where he got slammed
in the trap door at fall bra All

2300
02:44:13.159 --> 02:44:16.440
ninety eight and hurt his back.
And then you know, there's some introduction

2301
02:44:16.520 --> 02:44:20.200
to certain doctors that are willing to
prescribe, and Davy gets his perks,

2302
02:44:20.239 --> 02:44:24.159
he gets his somas, he gets
his his tore at all, and he

2303
02:44:24.239 --> 02:44:26.959
gets his hands on that morphine.
Yes, you're damn right, and it

2304
02:44:28.040 --> 02:44:31.000
gets very difficult. He's you know, falling asleep at the dinner table,

2305
02:44:31.040 --> 02:44:35.079
the Heart family dinners, and they're
still Diane even tells the story about how

2306
02:44:35.120 --> 02:44:37.520
she took a water pistol to the
dinner table where there one time, so

2307
02:44:37.639 --> 02:44:41.200
she could squirt him every time he
dropped the food off his fork. Eh,

2308
02:44:43.959 --> 02:44:48.760
and the kids are noticing he's staggering
around and into her family, you

2309
02:44:48.840 --> 02:44:52.719
know, dynamics like how hard should
we be on him for this? And

2310
02:44:52.079 --> 02:44:56.079
people turning on Diana for being pissed
about it, which is as hard as

2311
02:44:56.120 --> 02:45:03.879
it gets. And he's hallucinating and
he's just terri paranoid, hooked on a

2312
02:45:03.959 --> 02:45:22.360
cocktails. Oh h oh oh,
no, Die, are you there to

2313
02:45:22.479 --> 02:45:33.559
die? But where am I?
I feel like? Am I I opened

2314
02:45:33.639 --> 02:45:46.479
the sky? Die? Bile my
going to die? Six puck challenge?

2315
02:45:48.079 --> 02:45:52.879
We're gonna go to a six pack
challenge? Die? Can you forgive me?

2316
02:45:54.079 --> 02:46:03.360
Oh? Am I gonna forget it? Oh? Oh oh you ready?

2317
02:46:03.000 --> 02:46:07.319
M m well, oh, you
do your thing first. Diana simply

2318
02:46:07.360 --> 02:46:11.479
says that word gets out that Davy
is perhaps open and coming back to WWF,

2319
02:46:11.600 --> 02:46:15.280
and she writes, Davey started getting
calls left and right from every one

2320
02:46:15.319 --> 02:46:18.879
in the WWF, from merchandise people
to agents. Mankind came up to see

2321
02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:20.120
Davy when they were in Calgary.
Vince called Davy said, you know,

2322
02:46:20.200 --> 02:46:22.360
hell, what happened with me and
Brett. I wish you would come to

2323
02:46:22.399 --> 02:46:24.280
me and talk to me about it
before you quit. We'd like you to

2324
02:46:24.319 --> 02:46:28.440
finish your career off here with your
family. Davy began to feel hopeful when

2325
02:46:28.479 --> 02:46:31.680
he was released from the hospital this
effron overdose. I believe he even refused

2326
02:46:31.760 --> 02:46:35.399
their offer of prescription for morphine.
My main concern, she writes, was

2327
02:46:35.399 --> 02:46:39.040
getting Davy fit and healthy, but
we had no money. Vince offered that

2328
02:46:39.159 --> 02:46:41.000
even if Davy couldn't wrestle again,
perhaps you could work in the office or

2329
02:46:41.040 --> 02:46:45.239
commentate. Davy agreed, but only
as a last resort. You know me,

2330
02:46:45.280 --> 02:46:46.280
Evince, I've come back from worse
things. I'll be back in the

2331
02:46:46.360 --> 02:46:48.440
ring before you know it, as
long as you've got a place for me.

2332
02:46:48.559 --> 02:46:52.639
Davey started back on steroids to get
his weight up. Diana writes,

2333
02:46:52.719 --> 02:47:01.479
MMMM, take me to church Boss, Chapter thirty five, My new Life.

2334
02:47:05.079 --> 02:47:07.440
I was now at a point where
I felt my life had been put

2335
02:47:07.520 --> 02:47:11.680
on hold. For the twenty years
I had known Davy the wwe had never

2336
02:47:11.840 --> 02:47:15.799
been more successful, and as they
promised before Owen's death, they welcomed Davy's

2337
02:47:15.840 --> 02:47:18.639
return a few months later, but
no matter how many good angles they gave

2338
02:47:18.760 --> 02:47:30.000
him, he fumbled the ball.
They offered him stock options and the chance

2339
02:47:30.079 --> 02:47:33.000
to market a workout video we had
made, but he didn't pursue any of

2340
02:47:33.079 --> 02:47:37.520
these avenues. R stock options We're
taking out. You know, if you're

2341
02:47:37.559 --> 02:47:45.719
interested, we get we're going public. Interested in stock options? What stock

2342
02:47:45.799 --> 02:47:50.280
options? Or you know, you
get money. He says, well,

2343
02:47:50.440 --> 02:47:54.360
like someone just told him that his
drugs may not be where he left them.

2344
02:47:58.000 --> 02:48:11.239
Get how about drugs? Was tooks
it? Not directly per se,

2345
02:48:11.399 --> 02:48:16.079
But it's a possibility that you know, the the r O I could potentially,

2346
02:48:16.280 --> 02:48:24.959
Yes, yes you could, you
could, You could buy different kinds

2347
02:48:26.000 --> 02:48:31.879
of vices for yourself. Yes,
some supplements of rest assured. Rest assured

2348
02:48:33.520 --> 02:48:39.520
that. Notwithstanding, he couldn't worry
about business. He was too preoccupied with

2349
02:48:43.559 --> 02:48:50.040
getting his mched. Fetch this is
the day that we see at Unforgiven nineteen

2350
02:48:50.079 --> 02:48:54.000
night. Yes, yes it is. His drug addiction was impairing his judgment

2351
02:48:54.159 --> 02:48:58.120
and his wrestling. He was lethargic
in the ring and confrontational at home.

2352
02:49:00.760 --> 02:49:05.840
On a freezing cold day in December
nineteen eighty nine, I caught him shooting

2353
02:49:05.360 --> 02:49:11.959
up morphine. I followed him into
our garage and found him injecting it into

2354
02:49:11.040 --> 02:49:16.920
his arm. I went berserk.
I stood there swearing and screaming, quote,

2355
02:49:16.959 --> 02:49:22.639
you son of a bitch, you
bastard, How can you do this

2356
02:49:22.760 --> 02:49:26.520
to Harry and Georgia it's obvious you
don't care about me, But what about

2357
02:49:26.559 --> 02:49:33.680
our kids? I should have left
you a year ago, just a year

2358
02:49:33.719 --> 02:49:37.680
ago. That's it. I hate
you. You've ruined my life. He

2359
02:49:37.799 --> 02:49:46.680
looked up at me, his eyes
at half mast. Don't elphins. Oh

2360
02:49:46.840 --> 02:49:56.159
my god, oh my god,
oh my god, oh my god.

2361
02:49:56.319 --> 02:49:58.280
I love it. I ran into
the house and slammed the door. Moments

2362
02:49:58.360 --> 02:50:01.559
later, he came in the house
and fell on the couch, blinking at

2363
02:50:01.639 --> 02:50:05.760
me like some kind of frog on
a lily pad. I returned to the

2364
02:50:05.799 --> 02:50:13.159
garage and grabbed his paraphernalia, which
included both used and full syringes. I

2365
02:50:13.239 --> 02:50:20.959
drove to my doctor's office. She
directed me to my lawyer. Doctor,

2366
02:50:22.079 --> 02:50:24.799
doctor, help me? How do
I get to my lawyer? Oh well,

2367
02:50:24.799 --> 02:50:33.520
you got to go this way,
lawyer. Why didn't you go to

2368
02:50:33.559 --> 02:50:43.680
your lawyer first? And warned me
not to hurt myself. She gave me

2369
02:50:43.719 --> 02:50:46.760
a phone number for women in crisis. I arrived at my lawyer's office in

2370
02:50:46.840 --> 02:50:50.360
tears and gave them the drugs and
told them to begin divorce proceedings. Thanks

2371
02:50:50.360 --> 02:50:56.520
for sure, Sure do you have
any more? Morphy? Where is that

2372
02:50:56.639 --> 02:51:01.799
it? I just for for your
own sake and for Davy's sake. I'm

2373
02:51:01.840 --> 02:51:07.719
just curious about anything else. Cocaine. Maybe you just get out of get

2374
02:51:07.760 --> 02:51:09.239
out of the house I think it
is, and bring it here. Bring

2375
02:51:09.319 --> 02:51:11.440
it here, bring it here.
I don't you know, it's good that

2376
02:51:11.520 --> 02:51:20.479
I have it all just well,
you know, you know, please,

2377
02:51:20.600 --> 02:51:28.000
can you get it? I ran
into the while I waited to hear back

2378
02:51:28.040 --> 02:51:31.280
from them. Davy and I continue
to live under the same roof. When

2379
02:51:31.319 --> 02:51:35.440
he was home, Davy was passed
out in front of the television. Ellie

2380
02:51:35.479 --> 02:51:37.639
stopped by to see me. She
was worried. We hadn't talked for a

2381
02:51:37.680 --> 02:51:43.799
week or so. Yeah. I
told her what had been going on,

2382
02:51:43.920 --> 02:51:50.959
and Davy happened into the kitchen.
Show her your arms, Davy, I

2383
02:51:50.200 --> 02:51:56.600
ordered, yanking on his sleeves and
exposing his track marks. Ellie's hands flew

2384
02:51:56.680 --> 02:52:01.600
to her face. No, Davy, no claimed, How could you do

2385
02:52:01.799 --> 02:52:07.399
this to yourself? You just got
over your infection. Oh my god,

2386
02:52:07.799 --> 02:52:13.520
you're gonna die. Think of Harry
and Georgia and die. Davy calmly rolled

2387
02:52:13.559 --> 02:52:18.840
his sleeves back in place. I
don't have a problem, Elie. I

2388
02:52:18.920 --> 02:52:24.840
can stop anytime. I won't.
By January of two thousand, my lawyer

2389
02:52:24.879 --> 02:52:28.200
had served him with divorce papers.
Davy reacted by going over to my mom

2390
02:52:28.239 --> 02:52:31.200
and dad's house and sobbing in their
kitchen. Why is she doing this to

2391
02:52:31.360 --> 02:52:37.319
me, to our kids. I've
done nothing wrong. I've given her everything.

2392
02:52:37.639 --> 02:52:41.559
My parents gave him the benefit of
the doubt and confronted me. My

2393
02:52:41.760 --> 02:52:45.239
dad berated me. His logic was, rather than buy a new car,

2394
02:52:45.319 --> 02:52:52.840
I should get the old one fixed. Taking in consideration my age and yah

2395
02:52:52.920 --> 02:52:56.440
no spring chicken, he said bad. In combination with my long history with

2396
02:52:56.559 --> 02:53:00.760
Davy, he felt were reason enough
to try again. But Dad, I

2397
02:53:00.879 --> 02:53:03.959
protested, he's a drug actor,
a drug addict. My dad frowned,

2398
02:53:05.479 --> 02:53:11.159
well, he said, he doesn't
have a problem, darling. Think of

2399
02:53:11.360 --> 02:53:18.319
Harry and Georgia and what a divorce
will do to them. My mom counseled

2400
02:53:18.159 --> 02:53:22.319
Mom, I would never tell Georgia
to stay with a drug addict, and

2401
02:53:22.399 --> 02:53:24.639
I certainly don't want her growing up
around one. Harry wants to go into

2402
02:53:24.680 --> 02:53:28.479
wrestling. I don't want him to
think this is okay. What drugs are

2403
02:53:28.479 --> 02:53:33.200
going into wrestling? Right? Hm, You get married, you become a

2404
02:53:33.239 --> 02:53:37.280
wrestler, then you become a drug
addict, and you piss it all away.

2405
02:53:37.239 --> 02:53:43.559
But they were sure I was exaggerating
and overreacting. I called Vince at

2406
02:53:43.600 --> 02:53:48.000
home on a Sunday night. Stephanie
answered she was cheerful. She was having

2407
02:53:48.040 --> 02:53:52.079
a ball working with her dad.
She brought Vince to the phone. I

2408
02:53:52.239 --> 02:53:56.000
spilled out my story. I told
him everything. I talked about my suicide

2409
02:53:56.000 --> 02:54:00.680
attempt, about our marriage, and
about Davy's drug addiction. He told me

2410
02:54:00.799 --> 02:54:03.879
everything, that he would investigate,
yeah, oh yeah, and that I

2411
02:54:03.959 --> 02:54:09.079
should stay strong for Harry and Georgia. Within a month, Vincent insisted Davy

2412
02:54:09.159 --> 02:54:11.920
check into the Talbot Recovery Center in
Atlanta. He would pick up the tab

2413
02:54:11.959 --> 02:54:16.319
and continue to give Davy his paycheck. Davy called me during the TV tapings

2414
02:54:16.360 --> 02:54:22.479
that night. I hope you're happy
I got pulled today. I know about

2415
02:54:22.520 --> 02:54:28.200
your little phone call to Vince.
Nobody's gonna make me go to another rehab.

2416
02:54:28.920 --> 02:54:31.600
I'll show you. I'm booking myself
on the first flot to England,

2417
02:54:31.840 --> 02:54:37.200
and I'm coming and I'm gonna become
a bouncer. That's what you want,

2418
02:54:37.319 --> 02:54:41.719
isn't it. You don't know it? Withdrawers like your stupid bitch, You

2419
02:54:41.840 --> 02:54:46.040
have no idea. I don't have
a problem, he says, not a

2420
02:54:46.120 --> 02:54:50.440
lot, according to her. I
know, Well, if you don't have

2421
02:54:50.520 --> 02:54:54.959
a problem, then why will you
have to go through withdraw? I asked.

2422
02:54:54.840 --> 02:55:00.440
He hung up. The next day, he flew from Nashville to Atlanta.

2423
02:55:01.239 --> 02:55:03.159
He called me from the airport and
told me he wouldn't check into the

2424
02:55:03.200 --> 02:55:07.319
recovery center unless I dropped the divorce
proceedings. Then he hung up again.

2425
02:55:09.319 --> 02:55:11.639
He was in the dry out facility
for nearly two weeks. This time,

2426
02:55:13.399 --> 02:55:18.000
instead of green dragons, he saw
red. He called me every day,

2427
02:55:18.000 --> 02:55:20.280
at least twenty times, yelling,
screaming, and threatening. Who you sleeping

2428
02:55:20.440 --> 02:55:28.639
with? No, I don't belong
here. It's your faulty. They call

2429
02:55:28.719 --> 02:55:33.399
back and say, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean that. I just can't

2430
02:55:33.479 --> 02:55:37.000
wait to get out of here.
I just want to come home so much,

2431
02:55:37.079 --> 02:55:41.319
and I'm really sorry. I just
got to get through this detok spot

2432
02:55:41.719 --> 02:55:43.799
and then I want to get home, and I just want to see you

2433
02:55:45.559 --> 02:55:52.959
have Harry and Georgia home. God, you're already in Georgia, Davy took

2434
02:55:54.000 --> 02:55:56.879
out the window. If you want
to see Georgia, his phone calls,

2435
02:55:58.000 --> 02:56:01.920
terrified at me, He sounded so
violent. I quietly bought my own house

2436
02:56:01.959 --> 02:56:05.600
and moved the kids in with me
with with Just before he entered rehab,

2437
02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:11.239
and now I was glad I did. He began to call me and brief

2438
02:56:11.280 --> 02:56:13.799
me on what I was to tell
the nurses when they called me to discuss

2439
02:56:13.000 --> 02:56:18.000
his progress. I was to say
he didn't take steroids and the only pills

2440
02:56:18.360 --> 02:56:22.559
he had been on were percocet and
so much. I didn't argue. The

2441
02:56:22.680 --> 02:56:26.959
center did call, but only to
tell me not to accept more than one

2442
02:56:28.319 --> 02:56:33.000
phone call per day from him.
At the end of the first week of

2443
02:56:33.079 --> 02:56:35.520
his stay, he told so,
this is one week, yeah, seven

2444
02:56:35.600 --> 02:56:43.239
days. It's like fucking naked gun
right, you know, the fucking whirlwind

2445
02:56:43.360 --> 02:56:46.159
romance. In like one afternoon at
the end of the first week of his

2446
02:56:46.239 --> 02:56:48.959
stay, he told me he had
tried to kill himself on the plane.

2447
02:56:50.319 --> 02:56:52.879
He said, just before he board
it, he'd taken every pill in his

2448
02:56:52.959 --> 02:56:56.280
possession and had shot up all the
morphine he could get his hands on.

2449
02:56:56.399 --> 02:57:00.399
How much morphe is he gett in
his hands on the fucking airport pre nine

2450
02:57:00.399 --> 02:57:03.840
to eleven? Yeh? So he
said he wanted his death hanging over me

2451
02:57:03.920 --> 02:57:05.600
for the rest of my life,
he said he had. He had to

2452
02:57:05.639 --> 02:57:09.280
be carried off the plane on a
stretcher when he couldn't get a hold of

2453
02:57:09.319 --> 02:57:13.040
me. Twenty times a day,
he called everyone in my family. He

2454
02:57:13.239 --> 02:57:16.200
complained that I refuse to drop divorce
proceedings, even though he was trying so

2455
02:57:16.440 --> 02:57:20.280
hard to get better. He was
right. I still wanted a divorce.

2456
02:57:20.879 --> 02:57:24.280
I did not want to live with
him anymore. Decided to take the advice

2457
02:57:24.360 --> 02:57:31.040
one gave me right after I try
to kill myself. When a person gets

2458
02:57:31.040 --> 02:57:33.760
to the point where they want to
kill themselves because they are married to a

2459
02:57:33.799 --> 02:57:37.520
drug addict, it's time to leave. You have your kids to think about.

2460
02:57:39.319 --> 02:57:43.239
I started dating again. I'm got
a young, up and coming wrestler

2461
02:57:43.319 --> 02:57:48.760
named James Trimble who made me laugh
again. Going for a wrestler. Yeah

2462
02:57:48.840 --> 02:57:52.959
no, she's such a fucking she. She is the she's the living,

2463
02:57:52.200 --> 02:57:56.959
breathing definition of insanity. All right, That's that's what it is here.

2464
02:57:58.079 --> 02:58:03.600
She is that bad. Like,
come on, stop dating wrestlers. That's

2465
02:58:03.639 --> 02:58:07.479
the problem. It started with a
handshake. I have a fair grip,

2466
02:58:07.520 --> 02:58:11.520
and he teased me about it.
We went to movies and out for the

2467
02:58:11.559 --> 02:58:16.040
occasional dinner. I was determined not
to sneak around, so I told Davy

2468
02:58:16.120 --> 02:58:20.559
I was going through with a divorce
and dating. Davy immediately contacted some of

2469
02:58:20.680 --> 02:58:26.520
hermish's friends. That's their friend.
Oh, okay, I'm hermish. Yeah,

2470
02:58:28.360 --> 02:58:31.600
and James started getting death threats.
Through this entire calamity, James and

2471
02:58:31.639 --> 02:58:37.319
I became closer. Davy was scheduled
to stay at the Atlanta facility for four

2472
02:58:37.399 --> 02:58:39.639
months. It was going to cost
Vince in the neighborhood of US one hundred

2473
02:58:39.760 --> 02:58:45.200
thousand dollars, but after just three
weeks, Davy checked himself out and came

2474
02:58:45.280 --> 02:58:48.159
home, hoping to smooth things out. I picked him up at the airport

2475
02:58:48.200 --> 02:58:50.239
he was selling. I showed him
my new home and he insisted on coming

2476
02:58:50.280 --> 02:58:54.280
in. When he refused to leave, I called the police. They arrived

2477
02:58:54.399 --> 02:58:58.639
and told me I'm not going home. This is my home. You bought

2478
02:58:58.680 --> 02:59:07.920
the house. It's my home,
home, my home tone die. They

2479
02:59:07.040 --> 02:59:09.559
arrived and told me to leave.
Before the situation, they told me to

2480
02:59:09.680 --> 02:59:13.680
leave, man, you better leave. I don't think, I say if

2481
02:59:13.680 --> 02:59:18.440
you're gona be in your own house. Davy began living at my new home

2482
02:59:18.520 --> 02:59:28.799
and I hadn't nowhere to go.
It's my no, my new home town,

2483
02:59:31.280 --> 02:59:50.360
it's my new HOMETOWNE. I moved
in with James in a a high

2484
02:59:50.520 --> 03:00:01.079
security apartment What is that in prison? With underground park cameras and security cards.

2485
03:00:03.159 --> 03:00:09.559
Sounds pretty fucking normal apartment building to
me, But whatever Davi's I moved

2486
03:00:09.600 --> 03:00:20.840
into a high security apartment building with
thank god, with maintenance man and with

2487
03:00:22.040 --> 03:00:26.920
the first and last, first,
last, and security emphasis on security.

2488
03:00:28.360 --> 03:00:33.680
I moved. I moved into his
high security apartment building with a superintendent.

2489
03:00:37.920 --> 03:00:41.440
I moved into a high security apartment
building. I think it was two thousand

2490
03:00:41.520 --> 03:00:58.959
dollars after first and last high security. It's the highest on the market.

2491
03:00:58.040 --> 03:01:05.399
Actually, right, were living in
Manhattan Midtown. Any high security de buzz

2492
03:01:05.479 --> 03:01:09.959
than that. You imagine, according
to your version of events, letting someone

2493
03:01:09.000 --> 03:01:11.680
into your new house and by the
time it's over, the cops are telling

2494
03:01:11.760 --> 03:01:18.479
you to leave your better better He
stands in the foyer and a muscle shirt

2495
03:01:18.520 --> 03:01:22.239
and jeans like man, look,
the guy says he's not going to go

2496
03:01:22.280 --> 03:01:26.319
in there. I don't know what
I can do, the guy said the

2497
03:01:26.440 --> 03:01:33.120
guy. Her husband the guy like
like as if she called the cops because

2498
03:01:33.159 --> 03:01:37.360
a guy is in her house?
Not correct, husband, I don't know

2499
03:01:37.399 --> 03:01:39.479
what you proble to do? He
said he's not gonna leave. Maybe forced

2500
03:01:39.559 --> 03:01:46.280
him out. I can't do that. Oh so glad I called a deputy

2501
03:01:46.399 --> 03:01:54.479
dog. Unbelievable. Unbelievable not just
in a high security prison apartment building?

2502
03:01:54.520 --> 03:02:03.680
Excuse me, oh, a maximum
security loft, a maximum security studio cell?

2503
03:02:05.959 --> 03:02:09.280
Uh? Is that? What is
also in Big boss Man Wrestling?

2504
03:02:13.680 --> 03:02:18.639
Oh God, Davies wait. Davy's
last wrestling match for the ww took place

2505
03:02:18.680 --> 03:02:24.719
in Calgary in May. According to
my brother Smith, it was pitiful.

2506
03:02:24.200 --> 03:02:28.719
It was hard on his opponent,
Steve Blackman, because he broke into wrestling

2507
03:02:28.760 --> 03:02:31.799
in Calgary and Davey was so out
of it. All he could do was

2508
03:02:31.959 --> 03:02:35.920
supplex Steven pose. People who knew
Davey felt sorry for him, and those

2509
03:02:35.959 --> 03:02:39.440
who didn't thought was thought he was
a joke. The match was a complete

2510
03:02:41.719 --> 03:02:46.600
aberration. The next time he was
book in Edmonton, there's an aberration that

2511
03:02:46.639 --> 03:02:56.040
there wouldn't be a problem because it
would just happen once. I love this

2512
03:02:56.200 --> 03:03:01.520
book so much as it is the
best wrestling book ever written. You know

2513
03:03:01.520 --> 03:03:05.959
what, it is the book wrestling
deserves to have written about oh, absolutely

2514
03:03:07.600 --> 03:03:13.799
absolutely. The next night he was
booked in Edmonton. He left late because

2515
03:03:13.840 --> 03:03:18.120
he was hungover from too much ecstasy
the night before. Harry heard the alarmer

2516
03:03:18.159 --> 03:03:24.920
at eleven am and could not wake
him. A drug dealing hanger on named

2517
03:03:24.159 --> 03:03:28.920
Jaden space trips. That's how you
do it, You name him exactly,

2518
03:03:28.200 --> 03:03:37.360
told Harry to quote bugger off.
Let day, let Davy sleep. A

2519
03:03:37.479 --> 03:03:41.319
couple of hours later, Harry watched
them get up and give each other a

2520
03:03:41.440 --> 03:03:50.000
shot in the becross. He's so
fucked up, so fucked up. Jaden

2521
03:03:50.319 --> 03:04:03.520
was injected with Davis used. Then
the age grabbed a handful of an of

2522
03:04:03.639 --> 03:04:09.280
a fedron or hydroxy cut, which
is a caffeine pill designed to clean you

2523
03:04:09.440 --> 03:04:13.440
out. They smoked some pot,
popped some percocets, and hopped in the

2524
03:04:13.520 --> 03:04:16.879
car. How does she know that? Okay, Harry told her, I

2525
03:04:16.959 --> 03:04:24.000
guess, quote directly what I know. Harry and Georgia were ordered to squeeze

2526
03:04:24.360 --> 03:04:30.399
in the back with Davy's wrestling bag, and then he downed some soma so

2527
03:04:30.520 --> 03:04:33.840
he could nap. During the three
and a half hour drive, Jaden stopped

2528
03:04:33.879 --> 03:04:39.520
in Red Deer to pick up a
prescription of Percocet from his dad. Harry

2529
03:04:39.559 --> 03:04:41.799
said Jaden bragged that he told his
dad to visit the doctor and complain of

2530
03:04:41.840 --> 03:04:46.159
a backache. Harry said Jaden was
an was angry with his dad for only

2531
03:04:46.200 --> 03:04:52.879
getting fifteen pills. Ten minutes outside
of Edmonton, Jaden fed Davy thirty ifhedron

2532
03:04:54.000 --> 03:04:58.239
to wake him up. Davy arrived
at the match late, incoherent and wired,

2533
03:05:01.319 --> 03:05:05.120
Harry said. W agents Jack Landsa
and Tony Geria told Harry to take

2534
03:05:05.159 --> 03:05:11.159
him home and not to let Davy
or excuse me Jaden drive. They stopped

2535
03:05:11.200 --> 03:05:18.040
Davy from getting his blood pressure taken
lest he'd lose his wrestling license. Really

2536
03:05:20.360 --> 03:05:24.680
okay. Steve Blackman, who was
scheduled to wrestle Davy for the second night

2537
03:05:24.680 --> 03:05:26.920
in a row, was annoyed.
I can't believe you did this to me,

2538
03:05:28.079 --> 03:05:33.079
Davy. This was my fucking wife's
fault. She's playing games with my

2539
03:05:33.200 --> 03:05:37.520
head. She's fucking with me,
She's causing me so much stress. I'm

2540
03:05:37.559 --> 03:05:43.399
more screwed up, fucking bitch.
Harry and Georgia fell asleep on the ride

2541
03:05:43.440 --> 03:05:48.280
home while Jaden drove again. When
they awoke, they were in the parking

2542
03:05:48.319 --> 03:05:52.159
lot outside the apartment building where James
and I were living. Georgia washed as

2543
03:05:52.280 --> 03:06:00.840
Jaden stuffed a tire iron down the
back of his pants. What are you

2544
03:06:01.000 --> 03:06:05.879
knowing, she mumbled sleepily. Shut
up and go back to sleep, she

2545
03:06:05.120 --> 03:06:11.840
was told the closed circuit camera in
James's building caught them pulling their hoods over

2546
03:06:11.920 --> 03:06:18.600
their faces while sneaking through the underground
parcade toward the elevator. They were stopped

2547
03:06:18.600 --> 03:06:22.440
by security guards. Davy claimed he
was just dropping our kids off. Then

2548
03:06:22.520 --> 03:06:24.879
he and Jaden bolted for the door, making it out the building to the

2549
03:06:24.959 --> 03:06:28.959
car and took off with the kids
demanded to know what happened. The next

2550
03:06:30.040 --> 03:06:33.040
day, Davy and Jaden flew to
Vancouver for Monday night. Raw Vince took

2551
03:06:33.079 --> 03:06:37.719
one look at Davy and sent him
home. Davy took a leave of absence

2552
03:06:37.719 --> 03:06:41.000
from wrestling, but remained on the
payroll. He threatened the kids that if

2553
03:06:41.040 --> 03:06:52.840
they didn't live with him, he'd
never speak to them again. On the

2554
03:06:52.040 --> 03:07:01.840
only warming to Jaden moved in with
him. Davy was so verbally violent with

2555
03:07:01.959 --> 03:07:05.280
me, I didn't know what to
do. I thought if I opposed him,

2556
03:07:05.280 --> 03:07:09.479
he would kill me. On the
rare occasion I was allowed near the

2557
03:07:09.559 --> 03:07:16.120
kids. They told me Davy and
Jaden spent their days taking drugs. Hmmm,

2558
03:07:20.000 --> 03:07:24.319
drugs. Harry would hide their pills
because he was fed up with seeing

2559
03:07:24.360 --> 03:07:30.639
his dad messed up, but Jaden
would grab Harry and shake him, demanding

2560
03:07:30.719 --> 03:07:33.639
he handed them over. They trashed
my little house, and then Davey found

2561
03:07:33.680 --> 03:07:39.799
a two bedroom townhouse over near my
dad's place. There was another for sale

2562
03:07:39.840 --> 03:07:43.079
four doors down. Davey told me
that he wanted the kids to live near

2563
03:07:43.120 --> 03:07:45.639
both of us. He was going
to buy one for me and one for

2564
03:07:45.799 --> 03:07:50.280
him, provided I sell my little
ruined house. I almost agreed to this,

2565
03:07:50.959 --> 03:07:54.680
but while I was cleaning up the
house they had trashed, I found

2566
03:07:56.000 --> 03:08:01.000
caver jacked. Heard of that one
before, I have not, but this

2567
03:08:01.360 --> 03:08:05.959
caver j ACKed. She's about to
describe what it is, A drug that

2568
03:08:05.159 --> 03:08:13.319
promotes erection when injected into the penis. I believe in promoting erection. I

2569
03:08:13.399 --> 03:08:18.120
think we could use that the cavern
jacked. Yeah, jacked. Yeah,

2570
03:08:18.319 --> 03:08:22.040
that's what triple A means when he
says jack and every promo Yeah right exactly.

2571
03:08:22.719 --> 03:08:24.040
I was finally the idea that he
might have a girlfriend, until I

2572
03:08:24.120 --> 03:08:33.159
found out who it was. He
had started seeing Bruce's wife Andrea, who,

2573
03:08:33.239 --> 03:08:39.000
if I remember correctly, is a
ring rat who was underage. God

2574
03:08:39.079 --> 03:08:43.200
help us. I think, I
mean, she might not be at this

2575
03:08:43.319 --> 03:08:46.639
point, but I think when when
Bruce started fucking her, I think she

2576
03:08:46.719 --> 03:08:50.719
was under rage. God help us. I don't know. It's been a

2577
03:08:50.719 --> 03:08:54.680
while since I read the whole thing. It's if we have this impression.

2578
03:08:54.680 --> 03:08:56.600
It's from their own books, by
the way, Yeah right, yeah exactly.

2579
03:08:58.840 --> 03:09:01.840
I've never read his book, but
I do know that I remember.

2580
03:09:03.079 --> 03:09:05.799
I think Andrea is like the Really
she's a psychopath. Yeah, Diana goes

2581
03:09:05.840 --> 03:09:09.159
off on her throughout the book.
I believe, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2582
03:09:09.440 --> 03:09:20.399
yeah, I do think she was
underage. Originally, Harry and Georgia

2583
03:09:20.479 --> 03:09:22.959
told me that she had moved her
new furniture and clothing into his condo.

2584
03:09:24.840 --> 03:09:28.840
She ordered Harry into the garage and
Georgia into the living room floor, and

2585
03:09:28.959 --> 03:09:31.520
her own kids into the bedroom Harry
and Georgia had occupied. I was stunned,

2586
03:09:33.040 --> 03:09:35.200
and so was Bruce. He called
me and told me to try to

2587
03:09:35.280 --> 03:09:41.559
get back with Davy so Andrea would
quote haul her scrawny, polluted carcass back

2588
03:09:41.639 --> 03:09:48.799
home. Great family carcass. Really, yes, hearts just a class act

2589
03:09:48.319 --> 03:09:54.360
all the way. I told Bruce
he was crazy. Davy hadn't changed.

2590
03:09:54.120 --> 03:09:58.840
I wouldn't dream of going back.
Meanwhile, Harry and Georgia watched Davy overdose

2591
03:09:58.040 --> 03:10:05.280
over and over again. The ambulance
was called six times between March and September.

2592
03:10:05.639 --> 03:10:09.520
He phoned me repeatedly and warned me
he was going to kill me.

2593
03:10:13.639 --> 03:10:18.680
You'll never see your kids again.
I'm gonna boot fuck you and James,

2594
03:10:18.000 --> 03:10:22.959
I'm gonna sit your throat. I
would like you to know that in the

2595
03:10:22.040 --> 03:10:28.799
book up it is spelled bot f
U c K, which is how he

2596
03:10:28.840 --> 03:10:35.600
would bring bootfuck boot fuck. Davy
was totally irrational because I was dating again.

2597
03:10:35.639 --> 03:10:37.479
Of course, it didn't help me
that James was thirteen youngers than Davy.

2598
03:10:37.879 --> 03:10:41.399
I called the police many times,
but all they did was advise me

2599
03:10:41.479 --> 03:10:43.719
to stay away from him. Man, I can tell you, ma'am,

2600
03:10:43.920 --> 03:10:48.280
I'm not going there. Have you
considered not going near him? Listen?

2601
03:10:48.360 --> 03:10:52.319
I appreciate where you're coming from,
and I definitely listen. All right.

2602
03:10:52.399 --> 03:10:58.399
I don't I empathize with you regard
to your children, but I don't know

2603
03:10:58.440 --> 03:11:01.079
what you want me to do about
it, right, don't you know your

2604
03:11:01.120 --> 03:11:07.319
responsibility is not only to report,
but to suggest solutions. I'm not all

2605
03:11:07.399 --> 03:11:11.120
right, listen, I will not
go into that house, all right.

2606
03:11:11.639 --> 03:11:16.840
That is that's not on my payroll. It's not my pay you know,

2607
03:11:16.360 --> 03:11:26.879
jumpscription, it's not on my payroll. That's not on my payroll. Pay

2608
03:11:26.959 --> 03:11:35.079
grade, pay grade, on my
payroll. I'm not paid to you know,

2609
03:11:35.520 --> 03:11:39.799
police people. In fact, between
me and you, I'm not paid.

2610
03:11:43.760 --> 03:11:46.799
You mean you. I'm not paid. Also, I'm not qualified,

2611
03:11:50.319 --> 03:11:54.079
and I'm not sure I have much
reason to live anymore. Is that a

2612
03:11:54.159 --> 03:12:00.680
sound that sounds like traffic below you? He's standing in a Are you standing

2613
03:12:00.719 --> 03:12:05.840
on a ledge? Ma'am? Thank
you for ma'am, thank you for calling

2614
03:12:05.959 --> 03:12:09.600
nine to one one, and then
just hear like the woh, thank you

2615
03:12:09.680 --> 03:12:11.559
for calling nine one one. I
want to thank you for being the last

2616
03:12:11.600 --> 03:12:16.120
person I'm ever going to talk to. Oh my god, that was awful.

2617
03:12:16.959 --> 03:12:24.159
Why did you do that? I
want to thank you for being the

2618
03:12:24.239 --> 03:12:26.799
last person I ever talked to.
Now, when we decided to do on

2619
03:12:26.920 --> 03:12:41.760
Forgiven ninety nine, I knew hu
that we'd get to Bullog and thus that

2620
03:12:41.879 --> 03:12:46.399
we'd get to Diana, and then
we get to the book what I didn't

2621
03:12:46.399 --> 03:12:54.719
expect you'd get to. It would
be the final words of a suicidal dispatcher

2622
03:12:54.760 --> 03:13:07.799
at the Calgary Police Department wants to
thank Diana for being the last person.

2623
03:13:09.360 --> 03:13:13.159
He wants to thank her for calling
nine one one and being the last person

2624
03:13:13.239 --> 03:13:18.239
he'll ever talk to. Thank you
for obtaining the services of nine one one.

2625
03:13:20.799 --> 03:13:26.319
After he says that's not on my
payroll, he then says, Okay,

2626
03:13:26.479 --> 03:13:31.000
this is like one way to put
it, all right, thank you

2627
03:13:31.239 --> 03:13:41.079
for obtaining the services of nine one
one. I want to thank you for

2628
03:13:41.200 --> 03:13:48.200
obtaining the services of nine one,
obtaining them, not using them, taking

2629
03:13:48.319 --> 03:13:54.399
possession of that, obtaining them.
I want to thank you for obtaining the

2630
03:13:54.479 --> 03:13:58.399
services of nine one one. No
my regards, I mean I'm giving the

2631
03:13:58.440 --> 03:14:03.280
mo you because I'm done. You're
not a nine one one lady. I

2632
03:14:03.399 --> 03:14:07.040
mean, did she draw the short
straw this day? Or what of all

2633
03:14:07.079 --> 03:14:15.000
the guys to be working on the
shift when she needs help? Just my

2634
03:14:15.159 --> 03:14:20.840
fucking luck, She says that she
hangs up, and I on the contract

2635
03:14:20.920 --> 03:14:26.799
with the with the City of Calgary. Oh, by the way, I

2636
03:14:26.920 --> 03:14:31.360
love that he's Boston by way of
Wakefield. I mean, she's a Calgary

2637
03:14:31.440 --> 03:14:41.920
by way of wake. Yeah,
exactly. I can't believe that went there.

2638
03:14:41.200 --> 03:14:46.120
I really can't believe how quickly that
got out of control, control all

2639
03:14:46.159 --> 03:14:54.159
of a sudden sense that there might
be something there, there might be something

2640
03:14:54.280 --> 03:14:56.840
there. It was just like,
oh, she called wait a minute.

2641
03:15:01.639 --> 03:15:07.079
I also love these these police,
this police department that is totally unwilling to

2642
03:15:07.879 --> 03:15:11.639
to to go above, to go
to do their jobs, let alone go

2643
03:15:11.680 --> 03:15:16.840
above and beyond and then the subjector
this is horrible decision to end one's life.

2644
03:15:18.280 --> 03:15:28.840
It's oh god, uh. One
time I called that one one time.

2645
03:15:28.239 --> 03:15:31.000
One time David kicked my door,
my door, my front door,

2646
03:15:31.040 --> 03:15:35.040
and I called nine one one and
the police rushed over. One of the

2647
03:15:35.079 --> 03:15:41.360
officers asked Davy for his autograph.
It's not funny, I assure you,

2648
03:15:41.440 --> 03:15:46.040
it's not funny, ma'am. I
listen. I much appreciated that you called.

2649
03:15:48.159 --> 03:15:54.600
Thank you for dating my services today, thank you for calling nine one

2650
03:15:54.639 --> 03:15:58.639
one Calgary. But excuse me,
I cannot do anything with your husband.

2651
03:15:58.639 --> 03:16:01.879
I'm a big fan. I will
not, all right. I don't know

2652
03:16:01.920 --> 03:16:03.920
what he's done to you, and
I apologize for that, but this is

2653
03:16:05.399 --> 03:16:11.360
my hero. I don't you don't
know what he has done to you,

2654
03:16:11.559 --> 03:16:18.319
and I apologize for that. Do
you apologize for not knowing what he's done

2655
03:16:18.360 --> 03:16:20.079
to you? Or do you apologize? Are you sorry to hear what he

2656
03:16:20.159 --> 03:16:24.239
could do? Because if it's the
first, you could do something about that.

2657
03:16:24.840 --> 03:16:30.799
You could inquire. No, I
know, I listen. I'm not

2658
03:16:30.959 --> 03:16:35.200
gonna ma'am. I understand that you
have said you claim you've been through a

2659
03:16:35.239 --> 03:16:39.719
lot, but I will not allow
my image of this man to be tainted.

2660
03:16:41.000 --> 03:16:45.440
I can allow. I'll tell you
if it makes you feel better,

2661
03:16:46.639 --> 03:16:48.879
why don't Why don't you go ahead
and sign this too? For my kids?

2662
03:16:50.600 --> 03:16:52.760
I mean, listen, if it'll
make you feel better, like,

2663
03:16:52.799 --> 03:16:54.879
I don't know who you are,
but here, if you sign it too,

2664
03:16:56.040 --> 03:16:58.600
all right, and this this makes
it all okay, all right,

2665
03:17:00.799 --> 03:17:03.600
this is that it's all good.
Thank you. And then he takes the

2666
03:17:03.719 --> 03:17:09.319
signed paraphernalia. I don't know the
fuck that had cut was. He turns

2667
03:17:09.360 --> 03:17:13.719
around and walks towards his cruiser,
but before entering his cruiser, for some

2668
03:17:15.079 --> 03:17:22.959
reason, he leaps forty feet up
in the air over his cruise and then

2669
03:17:22.959 --> 03:17:33.760
it gets in and then and then
after he lands, he does one of

2670
03:17:33.799 --> 03:17:48.520
those jumps in the airs with the
kicks of the heels, and then a

2671
03:17:48.639 --> 03:17:56.399
flock of thirty five storms with waste
paper baskets hanging from their beaks from Walmart

2672
03:17:56.319 --> 03:18:05.600
traverse the night sky. And that's
the other story. It's fucking those fucking

2673
03:18:05.680 --> 03:18:09.440
Smith's again. Okay, he does, he does the forty foot jump,

2674
03:18:09.520 --> 03:18:15.200
he lands, he does the Tata
and then the sky a beautiful, clear,

2675
03:18:15.600 --> 03:18:18.920
brisk, bright blue Calgary day.
And as soon as he just Tata

2676
03:18:20.120 --> 03:18:22.079
opens his door, he gets in
his cruiser. As soon as he closes

2677
03:18:22.079 --> 03:18:28.040
his cap cruiser, the sky goes
from bright blue to red and it makes

2678
03:18:28.120 --> 03:18:37.159
this noise. The change of the
color of the sky makes a noise.

2679
03:18:43.559 --> 03:18:50.600
It's getting and all of a sudden, and all of a sudden, it

2680
03:18:50.680 --> 03:18:54.440
does a lot more to do.
It has to do with a lot more

2681
03:18:54.520 --> 03:19:28.760
than this family's issue. Right here
ahead, dude, it does a don't

2682
03:19:28.879 --> 03:19:35.319
turn. It just has you know, you're steeped to the story in this

2683
03:19:35.479 --> 03:19:39.559
interpersonal drama, this sam and then
all of a sudden, it's just it's

2684
03:19:39.680 --> 03:19:46.479
the end of the world has nothing
with the sun. The sudden just completely

2685
03:19:46.680 --> 03:20:03.239
envelops the earth. What noise does
it make? Again? That is mine?

2686
03:20:05.559 --> 03:20:13.920
You war bard nourishment. It's unforgiven
ny LFX, Oh shit on that

2687
03:20:13.559 --> 03:20:20.840
cast, don't you forget it?
I felt like Nicole Simpson. I finally

2688
03:20:20.920 --> 03:20:26.000
managed a restraining order against Davy after
he left the following hysterical message Sean Ellie's

2689
03:20:26.040 --> 03:20:37.920
answering machine, you douchebag, hord
continence. I'm gonna do you. I'm

2690
03:20:37.959 --> 03:20:43.600
gonna do your whole family, Stu
and Ste's family, and that goes to

2691
03:20:43.719 --> 03:20:52.000
my fucking wife. I'm gonna scold, drag every one of you. She

2692
03:20:52.159 --> 03:20:56.159
fucking says, I'm gonna do you. I'm gonna do you. Take that

2693
03:20:56.239 --> 03:21:00.879
for what it's worth, and I'm
gonna do your whole thing. You're going

2694
03:21:00.920 --> 03:21:07.000
to do. Davy is more morphine, That's right. Ellie emailed it to

2695
03:21:09.479 --> 03:21:13.479
Jerry mcdavidd, one of the lawyers
at the w WE, and told him

2696
03:21:13.920 --> 03:21:20.120
that that though they were paying Davy
fifty thousand dollars a month, I was

2697
03:21:20.200 --> 03:21:24.319
not seeing any of it. I
had nothing. My lawyer told me Davy

2698
03:21:24.399 --> 03:21:35.719
owed Revenue Canada and the Internal Revenue
Service more than four hundred thousand dollars and

2699
03:21:35.840 --> 03:21:43.239
that if I accepted alimony, half
that debt could belong to me, so

2700
03:21:43.360 --> 03:21:46.239
I walked away from any settlement.
I put my little house up for sale

2701
03:21:46.399 --> 03:21:52.680
and moved back home with my parents. Harry and Georgia were with me.

2702
03:21:54.120 --> 03:22:01.680
Davy came screaming up the driveway in
his BMW and ordered the kids into his

2703
03:22:01.959 --> 03:22:07.680
car. Georgia, hurry, your
mummy's fucking nuts. If you don't get

2704
03:22:07.760 --> 03:22:11.959
in, don't even bother calling me
again. I'll never speak to you again.

2705
03:22:13.959 --> 03:22:18.559
My heart was breaking for them.
They'd been through so much, and

2706
03:22:18.719 --> 03:22:26.520
now they feared losing their dad forever. Georgia started toward the car. I've

2707
03:22:26.600 --> 03:22:31.680
got to go, Mommy. He
might kill himself if I don't. Davy

2708
03:22:31.719 --> 03:22:37.639
stalked up the driveway and stormed into
my dad's house. My dad was itching

2709
03:22:37.879 --> 03:22:41.159
to speak with him. He hadn't
been able to talk with him in months.

2710
03:22:41.239 --> 03:22:43.840
When he saw Davy, he tapped
him in the leg with his cane.

2711
03:22:43.799 --> 03:22:48.159
Hey, and I had a way
with you. You just be quiet

2712
03:22:48.159 --> 03:22:52.719
and let me talk. I'm guying
and discussing with you, and I thought,

2713
03:22:52.760 --> 03:22:54.639
all by, Andrew, I should
be a shame to us, how

2714
03:22:54.760 --> 03:22:58.559
too, You know what are you
doing with Andrea? It would be no

2715
03:22:58.639 --> 03:23:03.159
different than if Harry's wife left him
for Georgia's husband. I think it's goddamn

2716
03:23:03.239 --> 03:23:05.600
sickening. I can't blame Dayana for
not't wanting anything to do with you.

2717
03:23:07.399 --> 03:23:11.680
I feel with the poor kids for
little Georgia. My dad has always loved

2718
03:23:11.719 --> 03:23:15.239
baby Georgia. If he has a
favorite, it's her. She looks like

2719
03:23:15.360 --> 03:23:18.639
Davy, but my dad always said
how much she reminds me of reminds him

2720
03:23:18.639 --> 03:23:24.799
of me when I was young.
She gets him around corners, her eyes

2721
03:23:24.840 --> 03:23:31.399
are dazzling. Davy interrupted my dad
and said, go ahead, that's say

2722
03:23:31.399 --> 03:23:35.680
it. What is it read in
the book. What's the next thing?

2723
03:23:35.799 --> 03:23:46.319
Davey says, like me, stu, lick me stu. My dad looked

2724
03:23:46.319 --> 03:23:50.879
at me, frowning. Say.
I leaned over and in my dad's good

2725
03:23:50.920 --> 03:23:58.399
he repeated, he said, for
you to lick him. My dad looked

2726
03:23:58.440 --> 03:24:05.280
puzzled. It awk me to kids
him. I shoot my head, Oh

2727
03:24:05.399 --> 03:24:09.600
shook my head. Sorry, I
shook my head. No, lick him.

2728
03:24:09.120 --> 03:24:13.000
My dad still doesn't understand it.
Kidss him. I can't believe this

2729
03:24:13.079 --> 03:24:20.280
is stop Blassic. I can't believe
Davy threw up his hands and a storm

2730
03:24:20.360 --> 03:24:24.719
down the driveway, but through the
dungeon windows he spotted James working out.

2731
03:24:26.600 --> 03:24:28.879
Bruce Smith and my dad were emerging
from the house. So that's a fucking

2732
03:24:30.799 --> 03:24:33.680
that's a fucking Motley crew if you
ever heard of one. My dad was

2733
03:24:33.680 --> 03:24:35.360
still trying to figure out what Davy
had said to him. You say,

2734
03:24:37.600 --> 03:24:43.639
you want me to pick his nose? Is he gonna Is he gonna wipe

2735
03:24:43.680 --> 03:24:46.159
my eye? I got you know, I got some crushes in my ass?

2736
03:24:46.239 --> 03:24:48.799
Can you wipe my ass? I
can feel it coming down. My

2737
03:24:50.360 --> 03:25:00.600
wife sigh, oh, kind of
kind of grizzly. Oh, yeah,

2738
03:25:01.959 --> 03:25:05.920
Harry was standing by the car.
Davy looked around and as if he were

2739
03:25:05.959 --> 03:25:11.479
addressing his fans at Wembley. He
pointed at the window where James was visible

2740
03:25:11.520 --> 03:25:15.959
and said, I'm begging you just
give me two minutes with him. I

2741
03:25:16.079 --> 03:25:18.920
want to see what cut of money
is. I looked over, I looked

2742
03:25:18.959 --> 03:25:22.200
over at Bruce, who was watching
with keen interest, and I suddenly figured

2743
03:25:22.200 --> 03:25:26.360
out who had called Davy over.
Knowing that James was there, Davy charged

2744
03:25:26.399 --> 03:25:30.920
down the stone steps leading to the
dungeon. Smith and I were hot on

2745
03:25:31.000 --> 03:25:35.479
his heels. When he entered the
dungeon. Davy went after James from behind

2746
03:25:35.120 --> 03:25:45.120
and shoved him into the weights.
I grabbed a two pound pipe and screamed

2747
03:25:45.159 --> 03:25:54.239
for someone to get dad. If
you don't stop at Davy, I'm gonna

2748
03:25:54.319 --> 03:25:58.159
throw this at your car. I
ran up the steps and hurled the pipe

2749
03:25:58.159 --> 03:26:09.760
against his windshield. It's simply glanced
off. Davy grabbed me own and sueplexed

2750
03:26:09.840 --> 03:26:15.639
me on the lawn. I struggled
free and picked up a large rock.

2751
03:26:16.840 --> 03:26:20.079
By this time, my dad had
reached us and was wheezing from the effort.

2752
03:26:20.000 --> 03:26:28.000
He was furious, here, Dad, what you got damn rock?

2753
03:26:31.719 --> 03:26:35.120
Davy ordered Harry into the car,
and with baby Georgia wide wide eyed in

2754
03:26:35.159 --> 03:26:39.600
the back, Davy got into his
BMW and wheeled around the house and pulled

2755
03:26:39.639 --> 03:26:46.440
up besides my Volkswagon Beetle. He
kicked out the passenger window and drove away,

2756
03:26:46.520 --> 03:26:52.399
with the kids waving to me sadly
out the back window. The police

2757
03:26:52.479 --> 03:27:01.319
arrested David Davy shortly after for threatening
to slit my fucking throat again. The

2758
03:27:01.440 --> 03:27:05.639
judge let him go on the condition
he entered rehab for a week and take

2759
03:27:05.760 --> 03:27:11.079
some anger management courses. Vince finally
let him go at the end of November.

2760
03:27:13.280 --> 03:27:16.920
Davy hadn't wrestled in over six months. We can leave it there.

2761
03:27:18.600 --> 03:27:31.360
Yeah, I mean, what's the
problem? Totally normal and acceptable. And

2762
03:27:31.479 --> 03:27:37.959
look she put a book out about
this. Oh okay, I mean someone

2763
03:27:39.040 --> 03:27:41.600
thought it was a good idea at
some point that this that this information.

2764
03:27:41.680 --> 03:27:43.920
Only reason I can stand here and
do what we just did is because she

2765
03:27:45.000 --> 03:27:52.840
put a book out about it.
This is the bulldog we're seeing here?

2766
03:27:52.399 --> 03:27:58.840
Yes? Oh yes, perhaps the
only thing more tragic that we see on

2767
03:27:58.920 --> 03:28:09.639
this show is the kennel from Hell. Any thoughts on this? You know,

2768
03:28:13.959 --> 03:28:20.280
the idea is solid minus the dogs, The idea of a cage in

2769
03:28:20.360 --> 03:28:24.040
a cell at When I remember it
being promoted, I was like, this

2770
03:28:24.200 --> 03:28:28.360
is a cool idea, Like this
sounds ultra violent. I don't know why

2771
03:28:28.920 --> 03:28:31.000
when you really think about it,
What the fuck does it do? Doesn't

2772
03:28:31.000 --> 03:28:33.879
do anything, not at all.
You know, it actually makes it harder

2773
03:28:33.959 --> 03:28:37.520
to do the match than any of
those who don't know. Blue barred old

2774
03:28:37.559 --> 03:28:41.639
school cage on the ring, hell
and the cell around that, and in

2775
03:28:41.799 --> 03:28:45.920
between the hell and the cell fence
and the blue bar are supposed to be

2776
03:28:46.559 --> 03:28:52.360
a pack of rabbid Rottwilers who are
going to nip at the heels of either

2777
03:28:52.399 --> 03:28:54.239
wrestler that tries to scale the cage
down to the floor and escape through the

2778
03:28:54.360 --> 03:29:01.200
hell and the cell doors, and
instead all they do is shit and piss

2779
03:29:01.639 --> 03:29:05.799
and getting dogs something. Don't try
to fuck too, isn't that well?

2780
03:29:05.879 --> 03:29:09.200
Oh yeah, we'll get there,
ye all right. But you know,

2781
03:29:09.440 --> 03:29:18.280
like the idea was there, it
just its like again, I I yeah,

2782
03:29:18.319 --> 03:29:22.399
I don't know. It's I don't
think there's any way to make it

2783
03:29:22.479 --> 03:29:26.879
a good match. It's to me. You you book yourself into a into

2784
03:29:26.959 --> 03:29:33.120
a corner, much like the scaffold
matches, where what people want to see

2785
03:29:33.520 --> 03:29:37.799
they can't see. You can have
a dog attacking him. Well, not

2786
03:29:37.879 --> 03:29:39.840
only that, but when you're up
in that cage, like you want to

2787
03:29:39.840 --> 03:29:45.920
see some kind of unbelievable violence happened
to somebody in a cage situation like that,

2788
03:29:46.120 --> 03:29:50.319
which you're not going to see,
right, You can't because they don't

2789
03:29:50.319 --> 03:29:58.520
want to kill themselves or nor each
other. So yeah, it's it's definitely

2790
03:30:00.120 --> 03:30:01.879
one of the most infamous things to
ever happen in a ww F ring.

2791
03:30:03.040 --> 03:30:07.040
It is what most people think of
when they hear of Unforgiven nineteen ninety nine.

2792
03:30:07.120 --> 03:30:11.280
First and foremost, despite all the
the deep backstory intrigue of the triple

2793
03:30:11.360 --> 03:30:13.840
h saga that we outlined. It's
this, It's the Kennel from Hell.

2794
03:30:16.079 --> 03:30:18.840
The storyline I mean, did did? Did? I mean to me?

2795
03:30:20.719 --> 03:30:26.680
The storyline is way worse than the
match. Explain to the people why you

2796
03:30:26.719 --> 03:30:33.879
would say that? Because Al Snow
has to eat his own dog at one

2797
03:30:33.959 --> 03:30:45.079
point, Pepper Pepper steak huh oh
god? So yeah. Big boss Man,

2798
03:30:45.159 --> 03:30:46.920
in a campaign to fuck with El
Snow, abducts his dog, his

2799
03:30:48.040 --> 03:30:50.799
chihuahua, who else Snow had introduced
on television is kind of like his new

2800
03:30:52.319 --> 03:30:56.239
thing to talk to instead of his
mannequin head and his uh you know,

2801
03:30:56.680 --> 03:30:58.799
crazy I don't understand how that's better, but okay, it's a frind of

2802
03:30:58.799 --> 03:31:03.879
care that he would play. And
he abducts the dog named Pepper, and

2803
03:31:05.000 --> 03:31:09.000
Al Snow begs and pleads to get
the dog back. Boss Man promises to

2804
03:31:09.079 --> 03:31:11.879
reunite him with Pepper if he comes
to his hotel room to have a talk

2805
03:31:13.040 --> 03:31:16.239
essentially, and as we'll hear and
hear, in a bit of hospitality,

2806
03:31:18.799 --> 03:31:24.559
boss Man offers up some food to
Al Snow during the summit. Al Snow

2807
03:31:24.680 --> 03:31:28.879
munches down and then he's he's informed
that what he's just eaten is a dish

2808
03:31:28.920 --> 03:31:35.760
prepared with Pepper's corpse, and then
to get revenge, Ali Snow is recruiting

2809
03:31:35.799 --> 03:31:41.559
a series of mean, crazy Rottweilers
to eat Big boss Man Alive at Unforgiven

2810
03:31:41.639 --> 03:31:48.319
nineteen ninety nine. Essentially sounds like
nothing can go wrong. Yeah, yeah,

2811
03:31:48.360 --> 03:31:52.920
I guess al Snow is certainly sick
of being asked about it, and

2812
03:31:52.079 --> 03:31:56.920
he's got him for me, like
answered down here he is talking to Hannibal,

2813
03:31:56.399 --> 03:32:00.559
and I think one of the more
representative examples of the men answers he's

2814
03:32:00.600 --> 03:32:03.040
given to questions about this over the
years. To set the stage, the

2815
03:32:03.120 --> 03:32:09.760
table, if you will, including
place Matt's silverware or whatever else you need

2816
03:32:09.840 --> 03:32:16.319
to consume Pepper. Here's how this
works. Okay, every match has a

2817
03:32:16.360 --> 03:32:20.479
gimmick. It's a focal point.
It's what you build your story around.

2818
03:32:22.040 --> 03:32:28.159
Understand Yes, Oh, I don't
know what the fuck that gimmick was about.

2819
03:32:28.280 --> 03:32:31.479
Dogs. When I was approached,
I swear to God, may strike

2820
03:32:31.559 --> 03:32:35.959
me dead where I stand. Vince
Russo came to me because they had wanted

2821
03:32:37.000 --> 03:32:39.920
to get rid of the head,
which they couldn't because it was so over

2822
03:32:39.680 --> 03:32:45.600
and Vince had seen Vince Russo had
seen the movie so Sam where he talked,

2823
03:32:45.760 --> 03:32:48.000
heard voices from Michiua. He wanted
to give me a chihuahua, told

2824
03:32:48.040 --> 03:32:54.200
me the whole thing. It's great. My exact words. Please make sure

2825
03:32:54.680 --> 03:33:00.760
you have highly trained animals. Why. Well, because the number one rule

2826
03:33:00.799 --> 03:33:05.200
of entertainment is you don't work with
animals or kids. They'll always outshine you

2827
03:33:05.319 --> 03:33:09.879
upstagia, or they'll screw up the
whole scene. So, and especially important,

2828
03:33:09.040 --> 03:33:18.600
never work with animals or kids.
So verbatim. The chihuahala highly trained,

2829
03:33:18.159 --> 03:33:22.239
so that I could interact with it. Right, Okay, there's no

2830
03:33:22.399 --> 03:33:26.079
problem. Okay, show up to
TV next week. There's tuala. There's

2831
03:33:26.079 --> 03:33:28.600
a lady setting with the chuala.
Oh you're a trainer. No, I'm

2832
03:33:28.639 --> 03:33:33.840
his owner. Oh. They called
a veterinarian clinic in Detroit and got a

2833
03:33:33.000 --> 03:33:39.319
list of names with the people that
owned the chuala. That's it. Immediately

2834
03:33:39.399 --> 03:33:43.360
go to Vince Russo. I swear
to you as I stand went to Vince

2835
03:33:43.440 --> 03:33:48.079
Russo. You understand I said,
trained animals, we'll get Well, it's

2836
03:33:48.200 --> 03:33:52.760
just the chihuahua will be fine when
we get to this thing with these dogs.

2837
03:33:52.959 --> 03:33:56.760
We have to have trained animals.
Do you understand, Vince. Now

2838
03:33:56.840 --> 03:34:00.760
I forget exactly how long how many
months this story, but it went for

2839
03:34:00.799 --> 03:34:03.799
a long time. Do you know
how many times I reiterated that we needed

2840
03:34:03.879 --> 03:34:11.440
trained animals, numerous times that we
needed trained animals, numerous times that we

2841
03:34:11.680 --> 03:34:20.479
needed trained animals, that we needed
highly trained animals from the same kennel that

2842
03:34:20.600 --> 03:34:24.639
could be led by one or two
people verbally who stood outside the cage.

2843
03:34:28.440 --> 03:34:35.000
I cannot emphasize that enough. I
show up, then, Charlotte. Notice

2844
03:34:35.040 --> 03:34:43.399
that there are seven or eight dogs
with seven or eight different people walk around.

2845
03:34:43.840 --> 03:34:48.280
One has some obedience training. Now
you have to understand the entire match.

2846
03:34:50.280 --> 03:34:56.319
The entire angle is built around the
focal point being these dogs. How

2847
03:34:56.360 --> 03:35:00.479
can you use these dogs? What
can you do with these dogs? Please

2848
03:35:00.520 --> 03:35:03.559
explain to me because I would like
to hear somebody tell me what they expect

2849
03:35:03.639 --> 03:35:09.879
you to do with them when they're
out there urinating, defecating, and fornicating

2850
03:35:11.000 --> 03:35:15.959
so much that couldn't even show them
on TV. When the gimmick of the

2851
03:35:16.079 --> 03:35:20.920
match is that you're inside a cage
that's inside a cell that has like sharks

2852
03:35:22.360 --> 03:35:26.799
surrounding it, dogs that you now
need to get through and out of the

2853
03:35:26.879 --> 03:35:35.280
other side, and you can't even
interact with the dogs. Curious, But

2854
03:35:35.399 --> 03:35:43.159
now it's become a joke, and
it's now all my responsibility, even though

2855
03:35:43.719 --> 03:35:46.280
I had no control over the fact. Who's responsibility would you put that on?

2856
03:35:46.479 --> 03:35:52.319
Obviously the companies, it's not mine. I would if they'd have told

2857
03:35:52.360 --> 03:35:54.520
me go find it trained dogs.
What do you think I'd have done?

2858
03:35:54.479 --> 03:35:58.520
I would have made sure that I
found trained dogs that were highly trained with

2859
03:35:58.639 --> 03:36:01.799
one person, because every each time
I went and spoke to Rousseau, I

2860
03:36:03.079 --> 03:36:05.680
said that Vince Mick made himself actually
apologized to me for putting me in that

2861
03:36:05.760 --> 03:36:11.239
situation. So now I get people
to ask me about that all the time

2862
03:36:11.799 --> 03:36:16.559
because it's such a joke when I
had nothing to do with it. Now,

2863
03:36:16.639 --> 03:36:20.399
granted, I again you in this
the number one rule in wrestling is

2864
03:36:20.440 --> 03:36:22.559
you have to take shit and make
sure all look. So it was my

2865
03:36:22.719 --> 03:36:26.239
responsibility to try to make the best
match I could, in spite of the

2866
03:36:26.319 --> 03:36:31.079
fact that we couldn't even utilize the
dogs. Tried brought a bunch of weapons

2867
03:36:31.120 --> 03:36:35.000
out, tried to do everything I
could to take the focus off of what

2868
03:36:35.239 --> 03:36:39.760
we had literally sold the audience on
for months to now in one night,

2869
03:36:39.840 --> 03:36:43.239
go no, ignore all of that, watch all of this. Of course

2870
03:36:43.280 --> 03:36:48.840
it doesn't work. And was the
boss man as upset about it as you

2871
03:36:48.959 --> 03:36:52.920
are? Yeah? He was.
It was embarrassing for both of us.

2872
03:36:52.000 --> 03:36:56.200
It wasn't just embarrassing for me,
it was embarrassing for him too. I

2873
03:36:56.280 --> 03:37:00.639
mean, you know we're out,
we're we're putting this ridiculs this situation.

2874
03:37:00.799 --> 03:37:03.159
I mean, what do you do? So? You know? And people?

2875
03:37:03.879 --> 03:37:07.040
I love it when people ask that
question because it gives me an opportunity

2876
03:37:07.040 --> 03:37:11.079
to at least tell my sign of
it and to explain to people, because

2877
03:37:11.639 --> 03:37:15.879
what people don't get is that And
I don't know why any person with a

2878
03:37:16.040 --> 03:37:20.239
half an intell I should understand that. If if you make a murder mystery

2879
03:37:20.319 --> 03:37:28.319
novel and then there's no body,
there's no murder, what are you gonna

2880
03:37:28.319 --> 03:37:33.799
tell a story about? Right?
You know? It's it's it's kind of

2881
03:37:33.239 --> 03:37:43.520
a bad situation. What do you
think? I mean, I mean,

2882
03:37:43.600 --> 03:37:52.360
I get it to a degree,
but I don't know. So he thought

2883
03:37:52.399 --> 03:37:54.680
they were going to find dogs that
someone can stand outside the cage and say

2884
03:37:54.760 --> 03:38:00.520
attack and they'd bark, get them
and they I mean, I mean sure,

2885
03:38:00.920 --> 03:38:03.079
I mean, listen, there are
trained dogs like that, and I

2886
03:38:05.399 --> 03:38:11.879
I guess what, you know,
I like, I guess what I What

2887
03:38:11.000 --> 03:38:16.639
I kind of am really reacting to
is him talking about how you know it

2888
03:38:16.760 --> 03:38:18.959
wasn't his idea and it's like,
well, no, ship, it's not

2889
03:38:20.079 --> 03:38:24.440
your idea, but nobody thinks because
it was your idea, right, People

2890
03:38:24.840 --> 03:38:28.120
People want to people want to know
what it was like to be in it.

2891
03:38:28.120 --> 03:38:33.280
That's where it that's where it fucking
counts, you know, like that's

2892
03:38:33.360 --> 03:38:39.719
where that's where all that ship is. Like, uh like, I want

2893
03:38:39.760 --> 03:38:43.159
to know what is it? What
did it feel like to be in there?

2894
03:38:43.879 --> 03:38:45.840
What did it feel like to do
all this ship? Like how did

2895
03:38:45.920 --> 03:38:50.079
what did you? What did you
and boss Man talk about? More sad

2896
03:38:50.120 --> 03:38:54.120
thing isola like the spots you came
up when that match sucked. Dude,

2897
03:38:54.200 --> 03:38:56.360
I don't care if the fun I
mean, if the dogs were there or

2898
03:38:56.399 --> 03:39:01.479
not. It's just not a very
can you come shovel? It looks ridiculous.

2899
03:39:01.520 --> 03:39:07.040
I mean, they're they're the it's
just like kind of violent moment after

2900
03:39:07.079 --> 03:39:11.000
a violent moment that there's no real
story being told in the match. They

2901
03:39:11.040 --> 03:39:13.840
work a couple of spots where like
he's smacking boss Man's hands and he tries

2902
03:39:13.879 --> 03:39:16.920
to climb the fence and the idea
is if he can, you know,

2903
03:39:16.200 --> 03:39:18.239
force him to break his grip,
he's gonna fall down to this pit of

2904
03:39:18.319 --> 03:39:20.479
dogs. But there are no dogs
at his feet. They're not barking,

2905
03:39:20.479 --> 03:39:24.799
they're not nipping, they're they're preoccupied
with each other. And like you said,

2906
03:39:24.799 --> 03:39:28.520
there's six handlers for six rot whilers
inside the cage. These people are

2907
03:39:28.840 --> 03:39:33.920
total slobs, you know, for
the and their shorts and massive fucking triple

2908
03:39:33.040 --> 03:39:37.440
xl T shirts just like holding these
rot wilds. Oh like they could give

2909
03:39:37.440 --> 03:39:41.360
a ship. Stains everywhere. They
do not care. And the dogs are

2910
03:39:41.399 --> 03:39:46.000
obviously nervous because as he mentioned,
they're urinating on the black mats. There.

2911
03:39:46.600 --> 03:39:50.600
There's a point where appears one's mounting
another or had just mounted another.

2912
03:39:50.000 --> 03:39:58.639
Yep that comes dripping off the fucking
lipstick of the animal is the last thing,

2913
03:39:58.719 --> 03:40:01.920
you know, the last thing they're
doing wing is accentuating the idea that

2914
03:40:01.959 --> 03:40:03.959
Big boss Man is in trouble.
It's just like there is there, but

2915
03:40:05.120 --> 03:40:07.600
nothing's happening. They bark at each
other a couple of times, and that's

2916
03:40:07.639 --> 03:40:13.440
it, but yeah, I mean, you know, he acknowledges that,

2917
03:40:13.520 --> 03:40:16.120
you know, our responsibility was to
make it as good as it could be.

2918
03:40:16.280 --> 03:40:18.760
And it's like, I don't know, I don't know what you were

2919
03:40:18.799 --> 03:40:24.639
going for right first place. If
everything went perfect, I'm not sure how

2920
03:40:24.680 --> 03:40:26.879
good the match would have been considering
where you were going with it. But

2921
03:40:26.959 --> 03:40:30.799
that's fine, you know wherever.
It's just it's just like the most you

2922
03:40:30.840 --> 03:40:33.440
can't believe how bad it is.
You're watching it unfold and you're like,

2923
03:40:33.040 --> 03:40:37.719
every single decision everybody makes is the
wrong one. Yes, every step they

2924
03:40:37.799 --> 03:40:45.280
take is in the wrong direction.
It's an absolutely just yeah. They they

2925
03:40:45.520 --> 03:40:50.959
they have no they have no sense
of direction. Whatso we happen they catch

2926
03:40:50.959 --> 03:40:54.959
a break? No sense of direction. Had you watched this before? Oh

2927
03:40:56.040 --> 03:41:00.959
yeah, yeah, when I saw
Life Watch and I watched it a couple

2928
03:41:00.959 --> 03:41:03.440
of times, you know, I
obviously taped it, and I'd watched a

2929
03:41:03.479 --> 03:41:07.879
couple of times since then. What
did you think of it when you first

2930
03:41:07.920 --> 03:41:09.639
watched it? If you remember,
Oh, I thought it was awful.

2931
03:41:09.959 --> 03:41:11.680
I thought it was awful from the
beginning. It's like, you know,

2932
03:41:11.799 --> 03:41:16.479
again, you have I don't know
what my expectations were, but I have

2933
03:41:16.959 --> 03:41:22.639
high expectations for any sort of cage
match, let alone Hell in a Cell,

2934
03:41:22.920 --> 03:41:28.959
right, which is funny because I
don't think even by this point i'd

2935
03:41:28.079 --> 03:41:35.559
seen either Infamous Hell and a Cell
at this point, is that right?

2936
03:41:37.520 --> 03:41:41.639
I don't think i'd even I don't
think i'd seen Bad Blood. I'm trying

2937
03:41:41.639 --> 03:41:43.479
to remember did it come out?
Did they have that? And I know

2938
03:41:43.559 --> 03:41:50.680
I hadn't seen the the tape because
I don't think I got my hands on

2939
03:41:50.760 --> 03:41:54.479
the tape. Maybe I did,
I don't know. I don't remember when

2940
03:41:54.520 --> 03:42:00.079
I got my real I know that
I went through a crazy ass phase and

2941
03:42:00.200 --> 03:42:03.879
we were in college. But I
know beforehand I had tried to find the

2942
03:42:05.000 --> 03:42:07.799
tapes and stuff, and I was
very obsessed with getting all the pay per

2943
03:42:07.920 --> 03:42:15.239
views from ninety seven, of course, But I don't recall when I first

2944
03:42:15.319 --> 03:42:20.959
saw the original Helena Cell. And
I know that I avoided watching, much

2945
03:42:22.079 --> 03:42:24.000
like I avoided watching King of the
Ring ninety three for the longest time because

2946
03:42:24.040 --> 03:42:28.440
Hogan lost. I avoided watching King
of the Ring ninety eight because I knew

2947
03:42:28.440 --> 03:42:35.040
Austin lost, and so yeah,
but I had, so I don't I

2948
03:42:35.079 --> 03:42:39.440
think the only Helen of Cell i'd
probably seen at that point was the absolutely

2949
03:42:39.440 --> 03:42:48.280
awful one with Undertaker and uh and
and boss Man at WrestleMania. He had

2950
03:42:48.319 --> 03:42:50.920
a hell of a year in the
hell in the cell cage. No seriously,

2951
03:42:50.040 --> 03:42:52.600
I mean, just what a weird
year for boss Man altogether. Like

2952
03:42:52.639 --> 03:42:56.840
he's complete psycho space run all together, that character black and all black.

2953
03:42:56.959 --> 03:43:01.920
Like, I really liked his ninety
eight stuff was great. I thought the

2954
03:43:01.959 --> 03:43:05.959
stuff like when he came back and
it was like, holy shit, that's

2955
03:43:05.000 --> 03:43:09.040
big boss Man, you know,
because they had him under the mask for

2956
03:43:09.159 --> 03:43:11.319
at first, and they had called
him the boss Man for a while.

2957
03:43:11.799 --> 03:43:16.319
I was like, holy shit.
And then you know, but then ninety

2958
03:43:16.399 --> 03:43:18.079
nine he just got weird and it
was just like I don't understand what the

2959
03:43:18.120 --> 03:43:24.000
fuck this is, you know,
without without kind of being the protective services

2960
03:43:24.079 --> 03:43:28.280
of the corporation, I felt like
he was a lost character. Yeah,

2961
03:43:28.479 --> 03:43:35.840
and didn't really have any any any
direction totally. And yeah, so I

2962
03:43:35.959 --> 03:43:41.120
just I just remember having really really
high expectations, not because the dogs,

2963
03:43:41.200 --> 03:43:46.639
Like I really didn't realize how much
the dogs would hurt the match. I

2964
03:43:46.840 --> 03:43:50.920
was really intrigued by the idea of
having a sell a cage inside of a

2965
03:43:50.040 --> 03:43:56.079
cell I think they totally missed that
and didn't pay enough attention to like the

2966
03:43:56.200 --> 03:44:01.200
level of expectation they were setting in
nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, avertising cages

2967
03:44:01.280 --> 03:44:03.200
like that. Yeah, yeah,
I think you know, the thought is

2968
03:44:03.319 --> 03:44:07.760
those cages are really only there as
like a kennel, the best the best

2969
03:44:07.840 --> 03:44:11.280
we can get to approximating a kennel. But it's like, no, you

2970
03:44:11.399 --> 03:44:13.680
have when you put a cell up
in nineteen ninety nine and WWF, you

2971
03:44:13.719 --> 03:44:20.319
have to understand, like right,
set. I feel like they totally didn't

2972
03:44:20.360 --> 03:44:24.399
think about that. There's going to
be a real an exceptional amount of you

2973
03:44:24.479 --> 03:44:33.479
know, listen, you expect someone
to get tossed off something something like spectacular

2974
03:44:33.040 --> 03:44:39.120
yep, because somebody in every single
helen of sell some something has happened where

2975
03:44:39.200 --> 03:44:48.920
somebody has done something completely bonkers and
and that's the expectation. And yeah it

2976
03:44:50.040 --> 03:44:54.639
did not. It was the most
underwhelming helen of cell. Yeah, yeah,

2977
03:44:54.879 --> 03:44:58.959
it really was. And I invite
you to say goodbye to the blue

2978
03:44:58.000 --> 03:45:03.239
bars. Yeah? Is this the
last time they do the blue bars altogether?

2979
03:45:05.239 --> 03:45:09.079
Wow? Imagine that if you remember
this fall for a niconomicy, the

2980
03:45:09.159 --> 03:45:13.760
wrought Iron, the blue cage that
matters. It's kind of fun that they

2981
03:45:13.879 --> 03:45:18.040
had. It's it's actually weird that
they had the blue cage to begin with.

2982
03:45:18.200 --> 03:45:24.920
Yeah, like in stock because because
they were mostly outside of doing the

2983
03:45:24.399 --> 03:45:30.239
outside of the the same Valentine's Day
massacre where they had the black version of

2984
03:45:30.760 --> 03:45:35.719
the the blue bars, they were
doing the fence again like they used to

2985
03:45:35.799 --> 03:45:39.360
do back in the you know,
pre WrestleMania too, So it was weird

2986
03:45:39.399 --> 03:45:43.280
that they that they would use that. I guess. I guess actually visually

2987
03:45:43.399 --> 03:45:48.520
is probably smart because if you're using
the hard camera angle, to have like

2988
03:45:48.680 --> 03:45:54.360
double fence would probably be very jarring
on the home viewers. It's true too,

2989
03:45:54.440 --> 03:45:56.719
they figured that out, they just
didn't figure it out. The dog

2990
03:45:56.840 --> 03:46:01.280
part of it. Says in this
book that apparently they had found one person

2991
03:46:01.360 --> 03:46:05.680
with the properly trained attack rottweiler and
they were going to use that one for

2992
03:46:05.760 --> 03:46:07.920
the planned finish of the match where
he'd bite the Big boss Man, but

2993
03:46:09.040 --> 03:46:13.200
the owner pulled out because he was
afraid of liability issues. Ah, there

2994
03:46:13.239 --> 03:46:15.559
we go, which is something that
he said to his book but never says

2995
03:46:15.559 --> 03:46:18.040
when he tells the story verbally,
which I found pretty interesting, but certainly

2996
03:46:18.079 --> 03:46:24.920
on Sunday night. Heat Else now
takes stock of what's arrived here in Charlotte

2997
03:46:26.479 --> 03:46:31.200
to effectuate this angle, and it
kind of gives us a little bit of

2998
03:46:31.239 --> 03:46:39.159
a hint as to what's to come. And these are in heat Ow tonight.

2999
03:46:39.280 --> 03:46:41.239
We got the kennel from hell Match. You got two men, yes,

3000
03:46:41.399 --> 03:46:46.479
you and the boss Man and six
Rottwaller. You guys ready boys ready,

3001
03:46:48.600 --> 03:46:54.079
huh were ready? Huh? Hey. I can't understand the words you're

3002
03:46:54.079 --> 03:46:58.440
saying when you're all talking a one
time calm down, you all get a

3003
03:46:58.520 --> 03:47:03.719
chance. The boss Man, Hey
kid, I tell you we're really living,

3004
03:47:03.799 --> 03:47:09.159
loving to look at now excited.
Nope, even had trouble getting in

3005
03:47:09.280 --> 03:47:13.239
the bark on command there ad omen
those who did a segment once on raw

3006
03:47:13.280 --> 03:47:16.120
where he threw like one of those
attack dummies that the police use for training,

3007
03:47:18.000 --> 03:47:22.040
yes, on the ground and and
the dogs barely pads. Yeah,

3008
03:47:22.239 --> 03:47:26.680
Like I mean, I don't know. I mean I agree with him that

3009
03:47:26.760 --> 03:47:30.239
you know, you need to have
some kind of a trained dog, but

3010
03:47:31.239 --> 03:47:37.520
like we're I don't know if but
you also that you need to have like

3011
03:47:37.600 --> 03:47:41.120
a cinematically trained dog, you know, and even the dogs to do to

3012
03:47:41.520 --> 03:47:46.120
bark but not to actually bite down. I mean, you're such a thing

3013
03:47:46.120 --> 03:47:50.799
as a dog thing people for cinema. Well, well yeah, I mean,

3014
03:47:50.959 --> 03:47:54.280
you know, you have dogs that
are that are trained to do certain

3015
03:47:54.360 --> 03:47:58.639
acts. That's how dogs can do
things that that you you you may not

3016
03:48:00.399 --> 03:48:03.079
you know, if you if you
were relying on a dog to just get

3017
03:48:03.120 --> 03:48:07.600
a chance thing from uh, you
know, a chance performance, you'd be

3018
03:48:07.639 --> 03:48:11.079
there all day because no dog is
gonna fucking you need a dog that has

3019
03:48:11.239 --> 03:48:16.360
that no specific commands to do certain
things. I don't know the ins and

3020
03:48:16.399 --> 03:48:18.000
outs of it. I don't want
to act like I do. I just

3021
03:48:18.159 --> 03:48:20.879
know that, you know, you
see a lot of the times that you

3022
03:48:20.040 --> 03:48:24.879
have, like in many behind the
scenes features for films or for whatever,

3023
03:48:26.000 --> 03:48:28.920
you hear about dog trainers, and
you have these dog trainers who are working

3024
03:48:30.000 --> 03:48:37.319
with certain dogs to teach them to
do this and that, and the the

3025
03:48:37.440 --> 03:48:41.079
reason they're doing this and that is, you know, so that so that

3026
03:48:41.799 --> 03:48:48.280
the the performance can be as controlled
as possible. I don't know if you

3027
03:48:48.440 --> 03:48:54.040
can get that many. I don't
know how many of those kinds of dogs

3028
03:48:54.159 --> 03:49:00.680
or situations are available in North Carolina, right, you know, I mean,

3029
03:49:00.719 --> 03:49:03.040
I know, well, I mean
it's and I in North Carolina was

3030
03:49:03.120 --> 03:49:07.600
a hot spot for filming at the
time. But again I don't know about

3031
03:49:07.319 --> 03:49:11.600
in regards to dogs, I don't
know what that was like. But that's

3032
03:49:11.639 --> 03:49:18.399
a big ask I think to expect
to be able to get enough enough animals,

3033
03:49:18.440 --> 03:49:22.559
and not only that, but you
also then you also have to get

3034
03:49:22.639 --> 03:49:28.040
dogs that are trained to do this
shit in front of people, which is

3035
03:49:28.159 --> 03:49:31.040
different than having dogs trained to do
it in front of a film crew.

3036
03:49:31.559 --> 03:49:37.920
You don't have ten fifteen thousand screaming
fans during that distracting them exactly, you

3037
03:49:39.040 --> 03:49:43.799
know, like it's a it's really
I'm very surprised that they would go this

3038
03:49:43.959 --> 03:49:48.079
far with it because it's a no
win situation. Really, I can't imagine

3039
03:49:48.079 --> 03:49:52.399
any Again, the idea is there, but then when you really think about

3040
03:49:52.440 --> 03:49:54.639
the execution of it, it's like, eh, yeah, you know,

3041
03:49:54.799 --> 03:50:00.959
not really you ever one involved,
but never really done anything like using animals

3042
03:50:00.959 --> 03:50:07.360
and this to success. Yeah,
that's interesting. Well, you know el

3043
03:50:07.440 --> 03:50:11.040
Snow is looking for Pepper and uh, that is just a fun I'm looking

3044
03:50:11.079 --> 03:50:16.680
for Salt personally. But he would
flash like a missing wanted Pepper sign on

3045
03:50:16.760 --> 03:50:20.760
television with a phone number to call
if you found it. The phone number

3046
03:50:20.840 --> 03:50:24.840
was a Valvenus Is cell number is
a rip. So Valvinus's phone was blowing

3047
03:50:24.920 --> 03:50:28.760
up with people reporting a you know, Shohawa sightings or just you know,

3048
03:50:28.079 --> 03:50:31.319
seeing the thing and thing. It
would be funny to call him, and

3049
03:50:31.399 --> 03:50:35.159
I guess, I guess Valvinus is
actual family member. His mother was somewhat

3050
03:50:35.200 --> 03:50:37.280
involved with like dog breeding, so
he assumed all these calls were intended for

3051
03:50:37.360 --> 03:50:41.799
his mother. You need to talk
to my mom, right right, I

3052
03:50:41.840 --> 03:50:46.200
do remember that. But yeah,
it comes down to boss Man inviting Al

3053
03:50:46.280 --> 03:50:50.559
Snow into a hotel room for a
heart to heart where he promised to reunite

3054
03:50:50.559 --> 03:50:56.840
Al Snow with Pepper. And like
I said, before, you know,

3055
03:50:56.000 --> 03:51:00.959
before business can can be addressed,
before the deal can be cut, boss

3056
03:51:01.040 --> 03:51:05.319
Man wants to break some bread without
Snow. He doesn't need any of miss

3057
03:51:05.120 --> 03:51:09.280
huge platter of our heat in front
of El Snow and El Snow. So

3058
03:51:09.440 --> 03:51:13.159
we'll hook your dog just starting.
Oh yeah, here's what it sounded like.

3059
03:51:15.159 --> 03:51:18.079
All right, you don't have to
go the dogs. I'm having to

3060
03:51:18.159 --> 03:51:22.280
clean up. He's going to look
nice for great. He doesn't have any

3061
03:51:22.360 --> 03:51:24.920
hair. Just have a seat.
What I don't want to sit down.

3062
03:51:24.040 --> 03:51:26.799
Ray, I went to a lot
of trouble out. I'm gonna make sure

3063
03:51:26.840 --> 03:51:30.159
I do the right thing here.
He's the right thing. The right thing

3064
03:51:30.200 --> 03:51:33.239
would be give me back my friend. Well, I am you just you

3065
03:51:33.399 --> 03:51:37.120
just gotta trust me. You know
I want the finest food. You don't

3066
03:51:37.200 --> 03:51:39.840
understand what that dog means to me? Yeah, I had a dog when

3067
03:51:39.840 --> 03:51:43.280
I was a kid. I understand. I told you I can sympathize with

3068
03:51:43.399 --> 03:51:45.719
you. But are you doing I
don't want to eat, Ray, I

3069
03:51:45.760 --> 03:51:48.319
want that. I didn't come here
to eat. I'll just eat the food.

3070
03:51:48.319 --> 03:51:50.680
Who let me do the right thing? Y? Wait? Thing,

3071
03:51:50.760 --> 03:51:52.040
give me the dog? That's you
know, he's on his way. The

3072
03:51:52.040 --> 03:51:56.479
guy said he'd be bringing you.
Just gotta trust me. I'm here,

3073
03:51:56.600 --> 03:51:58.440
aren't right? If I eat the
food? Will that make you happy?

3074
03:51:58.440 --> 03:52:01.799
And then you can give me?
Oh yes, you're giving me a chance

3075
03:52:01.840 --> 03:52:05.200
to do what's right. I'll do
whatever you want. Just please just give

3076
03:52:05.239 --> 03:52:07.719
me the dog, because you're supposed
to give me the dog. Right.

3077
03:52:09.319 --> 03:52:13.559
Oh, how you like it?
El? Aren't you gonna have any Oh?

3078
03:52:13.639 --> 03:52:16.639
Yeah, I'm gonna have a lot
of it. How does it taste?

3079
03:52:16.559 --> 03:52:22.360
I don't know. It's not that
cook at yourself, Uncle Harry,

3080
03:52:22.639 --> 03:52:24.639
a restaurant going out in Boston cooked
it. But will you do me a

3081
03:52:24.719 --> 03:52:28.200
saving Try not to get one of
them funny Paul stuck in your teeth.

3082
03:52:33.040 --> 03:52:39.280
That's right now, one hundred percent
grade a pepper. What's the matter else?

3083
03:52:39.639 --> 03:52:43.520
Oh, you don't like pepper.
You don't like the way pepper taste.

3084
03:52:43.879 --> 03:52:46.120
You don't like the white pepper looks. Huh, you don't like pepper.

3085
03:52:48.280 --> 03:52:52.520
What's the matter with you? Boy? You don't like the white pepper

3086
03:52:52.600 --> 03:52:58.920
taste, you don't like no way
to take an elevator today? You're gonna

3087
03:52:58.920 --> 03:53:01.639
eat every damp fight of I told
you you pit me again. I was

3088
03:53:01.680 --> 03:53:07.959
gonna stand and straight your hand.
You understand men, You understand me what

3089
03:53:07.120 --> 03:53:13.760
this is all about. This is
hardcore. Huh. You can damn well

3090
03:53:13.840 --> 03:53:18.879
man boot hardcore all the way.
I told you Pepper was gonna live with

3091
03:53:18.959 --> 03:53:22.079
you for the rent of his house
unless you go to the poop shooters.

3092
03:53:22.959 --> 03:53:28.000
Understand me. I am hardcore.
Pepper's a little bit and you're a dull

3093
03:53:28.159 --> 03:53:35.479
son of a bitch. That's what
hardcore is all about. Can you dog

3094
03:53:35.600 --> 03:53:48.399
that? Yeah? It tastes like
chicken stupid. It's so like for people

3095
03:53:48.440 --> 03:53:52.239
that don't know they did this stuff
back then, Man, yeah, I

3096
03:53:52.319 --> 03:53:54.920
know, I can't help but put
myself in their shoes and just be what

3097
03:53:54.159 --> 03:53:58.440
the fuck is going on? Like
who greenlit this? To what end?

3098
03:53:58.840 --> 03:54:03.719
Like? Like who thought this was
a good fucking idea? Like yeah,

3099
03:54:03.840 --> 03:54:05.280
you know what, this is good. Let's let's you know what. Let's

3100
03:54:05.879 --> 03:54:11.799
look we've got We've had abortion,
We've had uh you know, Oh,

3101
03:54:13.200 --> 03:54:18.040
this is great fiction. Crucifixion,
induction, yeah, abduction, we've had

3102
03:54:18.319 --> 03:54:24.639
uh you know in uh implied rape, harassment, sexual harassment, sexual Yeah,

3103
03:54:24.719 --> 03:54:30.159
this is great. Ship pal,
I mean, there's a point.

3104
03:54:30.879 --> 03:54:35.760
It's it's this big hunk and platter
of what looks to be like Chinese chicken,

3105
03:54:35.200 --> 03:54:39.840
like a like a old chicken chow
mane or something. And after out

3106
03:54:39.840 --> 03:54:43.760
takes his bites at this table that
Big Boss Mini set up in this hotel

3107
03:54:43.799 --> 03:54:46.440
room, there's two beds behind them, you like that like nineteen ninety nine,

3108
03:54:46.600 --> 03:54:52.520
Like oh yeah, like green and
maroon colored bed sheets. Yes,

3109
03:54:52.799 --> 03:54:54.840
And when he starts beating ol Snow's
ass, now it's coughing up the food.

3110
03:54:56.920 --> 03:55:01.280
The plate of chicken ends up spilling
onto the bed and I just it's

3111
03:55:03.040 --> 03:55:07.200
I am so grossed out by like
the thought of those imagine just the expression

3112
03:55:07.239 --> 03:55:11.120
of the women who like have to
clean that up. And like the cool

3113
03:55:11.280 --> 03:55:13.760
sheet, you know, like that, you know it has like that sheen

3114
03:55:13.879 --> 03:55:18.239
to it, almost like a shine. And on top of that sheet,

3115
03:55:18.879 --> 03:55:24.559
that fluffy comforter sheet woul like that
that slight like film to it, to

3116
03:55:24.680 --> 03:55:33.000
the exterior lands like soupy slash gooey
like chicken eye. On top of the

3117
03:55:33.120 --> 03:55:37.159
sheet falls a bunch of sheet.
Oh, you're right, and then it

3118
03:55:37.239 --> 03:55:41.479
falls on the floor. Al is
doing his best to make it sound like

3119
03:55:41.520 --> 03:55:45.879
he's coughing up the dog. I
have to hit it to out. He

3120
03:55:46.079 --> 03:55:48.719
does react like one would if you
just found out you ate your own dog.

3121
03:55:50.319 --> 03:55:54.799
He does try to react in a
way that isn't like absurdly cartoonish,

3122
03:55:54.920 --> 03:56:01.719
but it's it's a hopeless idea.
A couple of things, really is Uncle

3123
03:56:01.760 --> 03:56:07.120
Harry cooked it? What was what
was mister Fuji's real first name? It's

3124
03:56:07.159 --> 03:56:09.799
Harry, right, And what what
what was one of the the meanest spirited

3125
03:56:09.879 --> 03:56:16.000
ribs that mister Fuji would pull?
Well, he put he put he put

3126
03:56:16.120 --> 03:56:18.639
dog ship in the well he'd find
ways to feed stray dogs to guests,

3127
03:56:20.639 --> 03:56:24.559
oh and tell them about it afterwards, or tell others about it afterwards.

3128
03:56:24.719 --> 03:56:28.159
Well, I remember, yeah,
because he did something with with Professor Tanaka

3129
03:56:28.440 --> 03:56:33.520
he in the in the in the
meatballs or something like that. Remember,

3130
03:56:33.719 --> 03:56:37.920
like ID told this Uncle Harry and
Boston cooked it Uncle Harry like like,

3131
03:56:37.079 --> 03:56:41.040
also, dude, that's okay.
So so you're gonna kill a stray dog,

3132
03:56:43.280 --> 03:56:48.120
a poor helpless animal, all right, You're going to kill an animal,

3133
03:56:48.760 --> 03:56:52.159
so you can do a prank because
would be funny if someone ate it.

3134
03:56:52.840 --> 03:56:56.680
Be funny if someone ate a poor
animal. I don't understand what the

3135
03:56:56.719 --> 03:57:00.200
problem is, you know, I
don't get why wrestling has the reputation does.

3136
03:57:00.280 --> 03:57:03.840
I really don't. That's not hilarious, all right, of course,

3137
03:57:07.159 --> 03:57:11.280
And the head of the cannel from
hell Al Snow pays a visit to Pepper's

3138
03:57:11.319 --> 03:57:18.520
grave to let everybody know that he's
doing this for the dearly departed. And

3139
03:57:18.639 --> 03:57:22.440
you better believe that Big Boss Man
isn't done making his gestures and statements as

3140
03:57:22.479 --> 03:57:33.639
well. And we are were are
our cameras now it looks like there's got

3141
03:57:33.719 --> 03:57:37.719
to be something that was shot earlier
today it's daytime. That's a cemetery for

3142
03:57:37.799 --> 03:57:41.440
sure. Pepper. I'm sorry that
we couldn't put you in the real graveyard.

3143
03:57:43.120 --> 03:57:46.120
People wouldn't let me. We're gonna
call the police. At least I

3144
03:57:46.159 --> 03:57:50.120
can finally give you a proper burial
now that you're suffering, is it in

3145
03:57:52.360 --> 03:57:54.879
I hope you rest in peace.
Oh my gosh, I let you in

3146
03:57:56.040 --> 03:58:00.440
in life, but I'm not gonna
let you down in death. Come up

3147
03:58:00.479 --> 03:58:05.840
forgiving. We're gonna make sure that
boss Man pays. He's gonna burn in

3148
03:58:05.920 --> 03:58:09.319
hell. I can't believe that he
is gonna pay for what he's done to

3149
03:58:09.399 --> 03:58:15.239
you, Pepper. Pepper's been buried. The remains of Pepper have been buried

3150
03:58:15.280 --> 03:58:18.200
earlier today. Folks are told that
we cannot. This will happen later later

3151
03:58:18.200 --> 03:58:22.000
in the day. We're told we
cannot because the distaste relact that the boss

3152
03:58:22.079 --> 03:58:24.799
Man is doing here. He's urinating
on the grave of Pepper. This is

3153
03:58:24.840 --> 03:58:30.120
all that's what happened himself. And
I know that the potage is even the

3154
03:58:33.280 --> 03:58:39.959
King Ding King Kanging, Hang Hanging
Ming King Danging. I think that's when

3155
03:58:41.000 --> 03:58:43.760
he was on his way to the
ring to get a picture of of like

3156
03:58:43.879 --> 03:58:48.879
a kool Aid smashed in his face
for no reason by hardcore Holly, busting

3157
03:58:48.920 --> 03:58:52.600
his eye open tremendously, which accounts
for a Big Bossman having a swollen eye

3158
03:58:52.600 --> 03:58:56.280
when he makes his way. Interesting, that's very funny. I didn't know

3159
03:58:56.360 --> 03:59:01.760
that. Oh, it's just such
a stiff shot. And they just the

3160
03:59:01.840 --> 03:59:07.760
little rejoinder there at the end,
he's urinating on the grave, like the

3161
03:59:09.280 --> 03:59:18.600
man shows up and pisses on the
grave after U. I mean, so

3162
03:59:18.959 --> 03:59:24.719
extra. I mean, how different
is that than fucking h hooking up Big

3163
03:59:24.799 --> 03:59:30.159
Show's father's casket to a car.
Fuck was in this guy's mind? Back?

3164
03:59:30.360 --> 03:59:33.959
Oh? Man? What seriously?
And also the fact that that Clippy

3165
03:59:35.000 --> 03:59:39.399
calls that that alcohols boss Man Ray, like, just knock it off,

3166
03:59:39.559 --> 03:59:54.520
you fucking more pure papper. Such
good stuff. I can't. I can't

3167
03:59:54.559 --> 03:59:58.079
with these fucking idiots sometimes like this
is it's so funny, like they're they're,

3168
03:59:58.159 --> 04:00:05.399
they're you you. I feel like
oftentimes when it comes to the attitude

3169
04:00:05.440 --> 04:00:16.559
era are, our mind is brainwashed
by the great stuff that happened, you

3170
04:00:16.680 --> 04:00:22.319
know, the really money fuse.
Like you know, you think of the

3171
04:00:22.399 --> 04:00:24.040
Vince mcmn stuff, you think of
you know, you think of guys like

3172
04:00:24.239 --> 04:00:31.760
like Austin and Triple H and the
Rock and and Undertaker and and Foley and

3173
04:00:31.879 --> 04:00:35.840
all these guys in there in their
prime. But then when it's like you

3174
04:00:35.000 --> 04:00:41.360
kind of take two steps below those
guys and it's like most of it is

3175
04:00:41.639 --> 04:00:48.399
garbage, total, Like most of
it is Awful's dick off, all right?

3176
04:00:50.760 --> 04:00:54.920
Right? Or you get what if
a porn star was a wrestler and

3177
04:00:56.079 --> 04:01:00.239
you double on tundra all the time? What if Mark Henry was a was

3178
04:01:00.280 --> 04:01:07.799
a sectional sexual dynamo, or what
if he encountered a transvestite? Or what

3179
04:01:07.879 --> 04:01:15.239
if god, oh my god,
it's just so why well, even Russo

3180
04:01:15.319 --> 04:01:18.079
can't defend this one. This is
him with Chris van Vliet. The ones

3181
04:01:18.200 --> 04:01:24.719
that you know really stand out to
me, and it really is because I

3182
04:01:24.799 --> 04:01:26.559
didn't think them through. Bro.
And let me say this, Chris,

3183
04:01:26.879 --> 04:01:31.680
I'd rather try something new than repeat
a match we've seen a billion times before.

3184
04:01:31.879 --> 04:01:37.200
That's how I am. I'd rather
try something new than just go back

3185
04:01:37.239 --> 04:01:41.479
to the well for a million times. Bro. The dog kennel from Hell's

3186
04:01:41.760 --> 04:01:46.639
probably number one. And I'll tell
you why, Chris, I swear this

3187
04:01:46.760 --> 04:01:50.479
is a god honest truth. I
think of the concept because the boss Man

3188
04:01:50.799 --> 04:01:56.200
al story revolved around the little dog
Pepper. Okay, so I thought of

3189
04:01:56.280 --> 04:02:03.159
the concept. But in my head, in my head, they're attack dogs,

3190
04:02:03.520 --> 04:02:09.479
you know, they're they're police dogs. The teeth a rout and saliva

3191
04:02:09.079 --> 04:02:16.079
is coming out and they're sliver that's
the picture in my head. So now,

3192
04:02:16.280 --> 04:02:20.719
Bro, I'm there at the building
and they bring the dogs in and

3193
04:02:22.040 --> 04:02:24.159
Van's hearing the dogs for the master
blah. But I walk over to look

3194
04:02:24.200 --> 04:02:31.799
at the dogs, and Bro,
the first dog licked my hand and I'm

3195
04:02:31.959 --> 04:02:37.159
like, Bro, I never I
never thought of what if they're not attack

3196
04:02:37.280 --> 04:02:41.639
dogs? What if they're pets?
You know what I'm saying. Like,

3197
04:02:41.120 --> 04:02:50.159
and that's exactly what happened. Bro, these were the lamest, laziest doing

3198
04:02:50.200 --> 04:02:54.040
a dog adoption segment. Yeah,
Bro, I swear to God and Bro

3199
04:02:54.719 --> 04:02:58.680
and like I said, and blame
myself for that because I never took that

3200
04:02:58.799 --> 04:03:05.440
into consideration. I'm literally convinced these
are gonna be a tack dogs. So

3201
04:03:05.680 --> 04:03:13.239
since they weren't, that actually sucked. Like okay, but also like,

3202
04:03:15.440 --> 04:03:20.319
then did you who hired the dogs? You know? Yeah, I don't

3203
04:03:20.319 --> 04:03:24.639
know. I mean it says who
hired the dogs? Because to me,

3204
04:03:24.799 --> 04:03:31.639
that's part of the problem. Yeah, you know, if w TV studio,

3205
04:03:31.239 --> 04:03:35.959
because if you have like someone who
fucking actually you know, like,

3206
04:03:37.040 --> 04:03:39.440
oh yeah, we need attack dogs, like you don't just go to fucking

3207
04:03:39.840 --> 04:03:46.239
call you know who have dogs for
a says in his book that he called

3208
04:03:46.319 --> 04:03:48.440
Stewart Sue Suly at the w Steer. I said, there are a bunch

3209
04:03:48.440 --> 04:03:52.000
of different dogs here. She replied, Yeah, we called around the local

3210
04:03:52.120 --> 04:03:54.959
vets for them this morning. Those
are the only rottweilers we could find.

3211
04:03:54.479 --> 04:04:00.840
Well, right, you don't call
around the fucking vets. Sue actress by

3212
04:04:00.879 --> 04:04:03.200
the way, who worked there for
like forty years and just gotten fucking shit

3213
04:04:03.319 --> 04:04:07.559
canned. I mean, because that's
part of the problem is you don't.

3214
04:04:07.639 --> 04:04:15.879
You don't look for that. You
you you need to call you know,

3215
04:04:16.120 --> 04:04:18.600
you gotta call an entertainment dog pat
right, And that's that's leg what they

3216
04:04:18.680 --> 04:04:22.000
weren't willing to do. I think
that's Ali Snow's whole point. It's like,

3217
04:04:22.200 --> 04:04:24.399
we know this is where this is
going. Can you please put in

3218
04:04:24.440 --> 04:04:28.520
the time to make sure we get
dogs that we can be confident in trained

3219
04:04:28.559 --> 04:04:31.319
to do what we need them.
And they didn't. They just did what

3220
04:04:31.360 --> 04:04:35.040
they would do if they set up
TV catch two days ago, same way

3221
04:04:35.079 --> 04:04:39.920
they'd source a you know, a
hope for the Godfather. Really call the

3222
04:04:41.000 --> 04:04:43.159
local strip club who wants to be
on TV? You know? Or find

3223
04:04:43.200 --> 04:04:46.799
a bar for a barroom brawl.
Call a bar so who's uh you know,

3224
04:04:48.040 --> 04:04:50.399
who wants their bar on TV?
Let us, you know, smash

3225
04:04:50.440 --> 04:04:56.000
it up and then pay you to
fix it. Just wacky, just wacky

3226
04:04:56.079 --> 04:04:58.879
shit. Man. Now, I
don't know where this air to what they

3227
04:04:58.959 --> 04:05:01.760
did this for, but there is
a version of this match that Mick Foley

3228
04:05:01.799 --> 04:05:07.120
and Kevin Kelly did comedic voiceover commentary
for. Really. Yeah, it was

3229
04:05:07.159 --> 04:05:09.760
on some WWDVD. I don't know
if it was like Worst Matches or Cage

3230
04:05:09.799 --> 04:05:13.559
Matches or something whatever it was,
but it's pretty uh used to do alternate

3231
04:05:13.639 --> 04:05:20.559
DVD alternate commentary tracks for matches.
I mean, wasn't wasn't SummerSlam many nine?

3232
04:05:20.600 --> 04:05:24.600
The first DVD release WrestleMania fifteen was
I believe? Oh okay, well,

3233
04:05:24.680 --> 04:05:28.079
either way they were doing DVD releases. Maybe it was on the DVD

3234
04:05:28.159 --> 04:05:31.959
release of Unforgiving Anything. Yeah,
it's presented as not as just a track

3235
04:05:33.000 --> 04:05:35.079
standalone track, but fully actually does
like a stand up in studio, like

3236
04:05:35.159 --> 04:05:39.000
pitching to it. But maybe maybe
it was. I'm not sure it's out

3237
04:05:39.040 --> 04:05:43.799
there, but I'm not sure what
compilation it belongs to. And we talked

3238
04:05:43.840 --> 04:05:46.440
about it. You know, it's
like I got to know where the food

3239
04:05:46.479 --> 04:05:54.000
came from that snow eats. Yeah, I mean food food food like uh

3240
04:05:54.680 --> 04:06:01.159
are origin? Origin? Yeah?
Origin and help is crucial, I think

3241
04:06:01.239 --> 04:06:07.760
so. And I think actually especially
in Boston exactly, we know they tape

3242
04:06:07.799 --> 04:06:11.239
this in Boston. We know where
all the boys go when they come to

3243
04:06:11.280 --> 04:06:15.879
tape television in Boston. It's the
Kowloon. And I gotta I gotta think

3244
04:06:16.719 --> 04:06:18.719
it kind of looks like a platter
of kloon to me. I don't know

3245
04:06:18.760 --> 04:06:22.799
about you, but yeah, yeah, I mean look yeah, I mean

3246
04:06:22.799 --> 04:06:26.239
I don't know if i'd necessarily say
that it's Kowloon, but it definitely makes

3247
04:06:28.959 --> 04:06:31.360
What are the odds that it's actually
klloon? Right, that'd be freaking hilarious.

3248
04:06:31.719 --> 04:06:35.520
I mean, we're like the only
podcast on planet Earth that would like

3249
04:06:35.360 --> 04:06:39.120
pay money to know if it's actually
klloon. Yeah, i'd pay I pay

3250
04:06:39.120 --> 04:06:46.000
about one hundred dollars. Hi JP. This is former WWE superstar Al Snow

3251
04:06:46.239 --> 04:06:52.280
and star of Netflix's docu series Wrestlers. Uh. I appreciate you being a

3252
04:06:52.360 --> 04:06:56.520
fan. Can't thank you enough for
doing that being a fan, because if

3253
04:06:56.559 --> 04:06:58.760
it wasn't for you being a fan, I wouldn't have a job. And

3254
04:07:00.760 --> 04:07:03.799
to answer your question, when I
ate pepper, the actual food was chicken

3255
04:07:05.399 --> 04:07:13.440
from Kowlows, and there was also
some jumming noodles and creamed green beans and

3256
04:07:16.360 --> 04:07:20.760
a little bit of rice, and
there was something else I can't remember what

3257
04:07:20.879 --> 04:07:26.959
it was mixed in to make it
all look like Vomit tasted absolutely horrible.

3258
04:07:28.120 --> 04:07:31.360
I actually did throw up for real
after I got done throwing that up,

3259
04:07:31.719 --> 04:07:37.520
faking throwing that up. It was
really really gross, almost as bad as

3260
04:07:37.559 --> 04:07:45.760
when bloss Man fed me real dog
food when we were doing the whole story

3261
04:07:45.799 --> 04:07:54.159
building up to it. And yeah, that shout out to Uncle Harry was

3262
04:07:54.360 --> 04:08:01.319
a, you know, a little
tribute to mister Fuji, as the angle

3263
04:08:01.440 --> 04:08:05.239
was based on a true story where
mister Fuji hated his neighbor and hated his

3264
04:08:05.319 --> 04:08:09.200
neighbor's dog because his dog, the
dog would always bark and never shut up.

3265
04:08:09.319 --> 04:08:11.840
So one day he stole the dog
while the neighbor was at work,

3266
04:08:13.440 --> 04:08:18.319
and literally waited a week or two, cooked the dog and fed it to

3267
04:08:18.600 --> 04:08:24.559
the neighbor as a condolence dinner.
And he was pretty pretty sick. So

3268
04:08:26.200 --> 04:08:30.559
but yeah, the whole angle was
based off of that story of mister Fuji.

3269
04:08:31.120 --> 04:08:35.360
So anyways, I hope you uh
this answered to questions, and hey,

3270
04:08:37.000 --> 04:08:39.559
take care and hopefully I'll meet you
somewhere down the road if I'm doing

3271
04:08:39.559 --> 04:08:41.799
an appearance or something near, you'll
come out and say Hi, don't be

3272
04:08:41.879 --> 04:08:46.200
shy, and again thank you for
being a fan. I'll talk to you

3273
04:08:46.319 --> 04:08:54.280
some bye. I mean, the
guy for a fucking galout? What was

3274
04:08:54.959 --> 04:09:00.799
good? Is he using? Is
he using Caine's voice vibe? Yeah?

3275
04:09:00.840 --> 04:09:03.159
What did what happened to his voice? He might whats gootten? Like surgery

3276
04:09:03.280 --> 04:09:07.879
on his lymph nodes or something that
he knows lymph nodes is larynx or something.

3277
04:09:09.639 --> 04:09:13.719
Yeah, I mean what was your
reaction when he said kwloon? You

3278
04:09:13.799 --> 04:09:16.760
were the first to see it?
I mean, I, I you know

3279
04:09:16.840 --> 04:09:20.000
what, you know what's funny?
So I get that you noticed that it

3280
04:09:20.079 --> 04:09:22.479
comes in and I started watching it. I told you before how awkward I

3281
04:09:22.760 --> 04:09:26.840
those things are and I can't I
can't watch the video because it's like,

3282
04:09:26.840 --> 04:09:28.840
I feel like they really are talking
to me because they call me up my

3283
04:09:28.959 --> 04:09:33.120
name and like it's just so,
it's so I get so self conscious.

3284
04:09:33.479 --> 04:09:35.440
So I have it. I'm on
my laptop and I have it playing on

3285
04:09:35.639 --> 04:09:41.959
my phone and then honestly, I
just stopped it after he said kowloon.

3286
04:09:41.000 --> 04:09:45.120
I didn't listen to the whole thing. I just realized that I never because

3287
04:09:45.159 --> 04:09:48.120
I was like, I stopped it
and I just immediately texted the link to

3288
04:09:48.200 --> 04:09:52.000
you. Yeah, it does qualify
as an emergency. Yeah. I was

3289
04:09:52.079 --> 04:09:54.600
like, I was like, holy
shit, like this is not even you

3290
04:09:54.680 --> 04:09:56.600
know, and I never and I
just dawned on me. I did not

3291
04:09:56.719 --> 04:10:00.520
listen to the whole thing. So
I didn't even I didn't even follow up

3292
04:10:00.520 --> 04:10:03.440
with the Fuji, the Fuji inquiry, you're gonna take it home? On

3293
04:10:03.479 --> 04:10:05.719
his offer to go say hi next
time you're in the same room, Uh

3294
04:10:07.680 --> 04:10:09.760
yeah, sure. You look at
you like he looked at me when I

3295
04:10:09.799 --> 04:10:13.079
asked him when I said, don't
heal on me? And he said,

3296
04:10:13.120 --> 04:10:16.959
are you hurt? He's gonna he
wants to meet you, So we go,

3297
04:10:18.040 --> 04:10:20.959
what the fuck kind of cameo?
Request was that he'll he'll do that.

3298
04:10:20.719 --> 04:10:26.040
I'll say, hey, I got
some dog from Kowloon. Imagine that.

3299
04:10:26.200 --> 04:10:28.479
Just put like a platter of chicken
chow mane in front of him.

3300
04:10:28.879 --> 04:10:37.239
Look familiar. Al say, I've
got some lemon pepper chicken from about that.

3301
04:10:37.760 --> 04:10:41.559
I mean that he actually threw up
because they mixed in the creamed green

3302
04:10:41.639 --> 04:10:45.680
beans in there. I guess,
yeah, that must have been gross.

3303
04:10:45.799 --> 04:10:48.799
I guess the green beans and stuff. But I was like, really,

3304
04:10:48.959 --> 04:10:50.719
is like everything tasted that bad?
I guess I guess it would, but

3305
04:10:52.120 --> 04:10:54.319
I don't know. I was kind
of like, sounds like a good dinner

3306
04:10:54.360 --> 04:11:01.040
to me. But yeah, that's
around. Are you gonna finish this?

3307
04:11:05.799 --> 04:11:09.680
You're good. If you're okay with
I'll take it off your hands gladly put

3308
04:11:09.760 --> 04:11:13.760
in my belly. Here's some highlights. And this is kind of you know,

3309
04:11:13.920 --> 04:11:16.719
of course, Mick Fuley just made
it a career of making fun of

3310
04:11:16.760 --> 04:11:22.799
Al Snow. I mean, yes, you know, uh, someone said,

3311
04:11:22.520 --> 04:11:26.879
uh at some point we may have
seen Al Snow's final match, and

3312
04:11:26.920 --> 04:11:30.559
he goes, I hope so,
and he does like stuff like that,

3313
04:11:31.120 --> 04:11:35.559
constantly mocking Al Snow. We're having
bad matches, and this is the ultimate

3314
04:11:35.600 --> 04:11:37.520
bait for him. This is the
ultimate thing that he can hold up that

3315
04:11:37.600 --> 04:11:41.639
all can't say anything about and just
get mad about, which is pretty funny.

3316
04:11:41.959 --> 04:11:46.040
It's pretty funny how pissed off Al
Snow gets at Mick making fun of

3317
04:11:46.079 --> 04:11:50.239
his matches and he can't do anything
about it. So here's a here's here's

3318
04:11:50.360 --> 04:11:58.280
Mick taking the ultimate bait. Ladies, gentlemen, what you're about to see.

3319
04:11:58.440 --> 04:12:05.719
It's true. I've got to include
it Al Snow and the big boss

3320
04:12:05.879 --> 04:12:13.559
Man that Tente from Hell for what
happened to Pepper. I'm sure Al Snow

3321
04:12:13.600 --> 04:12:16.719
would love to get his hands on
the boss Man even more. But you

3322
04:12:16.799 --> 04:12:18.959
know what, these dogs don't know
right from wrong. They didn't go to

3323
04:12:20.040 --> 04:12:24.040
school, they didn't attend any type
of obedience classes. If Al Snow is

3324
04:12:24.120 --> 04:12:26.479
in being harm's way, those dogs
could very easily by Wait a minute,

3325
04:12:26.760 --> 04:12:31.000
I believe one of the dogs has
just relieved himself on the way inside.

3326
04:12:31.079 --> 04:12:35.040
Yes, indeed, oh my god, one of the dogs scenting actual spraying

3327
04:12:35.120 --> 04:12:37.479
in there, marking his territory.
Mick, he knows that this is his

3328
04:12:37.639 --> 04:12:43.159
home, and indeed the outside of
that really is their territory. It's no

3329
04:12:43.440 --> 04:12:48.159
man's land. It's Rottweiler land.
You hear the dogs barking away boy,

3330
04:12:48.280 --> 04:12:52.520
dangerous territory. Buss Man just a
few feet away from being chalked and bitten.

3331
04:12:54.120 --> 04:12:56.719
His legs could be ripped. He
could be left with just stumps.

3332
04:12:56.760 --> 04:13:01.159
Following this, you hear those barks, Kevin Kelly, they are not happy

3333
04:13:01.280 --> 04:13:05.719
barks. House snow to get a
great chance. Tagging gives me tempting faith

3334
04:13:05.920 --> 04:13:09.479
as he struggles to battle the boss
Man on his own term. One of

3335
04:13:09.520 --> 04:13:13.159
our cameramen earlier on this afternoon attempted
to wear a pork chopped necklace around the

3336
04:13:13.239 --> 04:13:16.200
ring side. He holds it dwn
something close a personal shot with the dog,

3337
04:13:16.399 --> 04:13:20.760
but our director Kerwin Silphie said no, don't do it. These dogs

3338
04:13:20.799 --> 04:13:24.879
are too dangerous. Knee right to
the forehead. It appears as if the

3339
04:13:24.959 --> 04:13:28.639
handlers of the Rothwiler pack on the
outside of the ring are having a difficult

3340
04:13:28.680 --> 04:13:31.399
time containing these dogs. I mean, could you imagine what would wait a

3341
04:13:31.440 --> 04:13:37.559
minute, Mick gives it. Oh
my, he's wearing a crimson mask,

3342
04:13:37.639 --> 04:13:41.040
Devin Delly. The blood blows such
that alf snows eyesight. Maybe, Oh

3343
04:13:41.200 --> 04:13:46.680
my goodness, he's been busted wide
open. He's been lacerated and he's still

3344
04:13:46.760 --> 04:13:52.120
standing. Tall. Al Snow is
standing Tall. Devils are turned. Snow

3345
04:13:52.319 --> 04:13:56.479
is on the loads. Snow is
on the loads some kind of industrial strength

3346
04:13:56.639 --> 04:14:01.840
live. Oh my goodness, Hell
no, no dury like Al Snow.

3347
04:14:01.959 --> 04:14:05.879
Scorn Al Snow. The button out, flowing down the boss Man's skull.

3348
04:14:05.239 --> 04:14:09.719
Hols Snow digging that boast, that
barbed wire post. This is the skull

3349
04:14:09.799 --> 04:14:13.840
of boss Man. He's fighting back
for everyone who's ever been put down.

3350
04:14:13.079 --> 04:14:18.280
Al Snow's striking a blow for anybody
who's ony ever accidentally eating their dogs for

3351
04:14:18.440 --> 04:14:22.959
dinner. Al Snow as a man
possessed right from wrong. They only wait

3352
04:14:24.000 --> 04:14:26.440
a minute. It appears as it
it appears as if one of the dogs

3353
04:14:26.559 --> 04:14:31.280
is taking a superior position, shall
we say, straps with a young female

3354
04:14:31.360 --> 04:14:35.840
rottweiler. Oh my god, that
it's a pay per view matchup Kevin Kelly,

3355
04:14:35.920 --> 04:14:39.440
because if this match were to be
broadcast over public airwave, there is

3356
04:14:39.520 --> 04:14:43.079
a chance that the WWF as we
know it would not exist. It's that

3357
04:14:43.239 --> 04:14:48.200
brutal, it's that devastating, it
is that controversial. It's the kettle from

3358
04:14:48.280 --> 04:14:52.000
out and we're looking out the line. He scoops, he scars. Boss

3359
04:14:52.079 --> 04:14:56.040
Man just cluvers Hal Snow again.
Oh my goodness, they're cracking of steel

3360
04:14:56.120 --> 04:15:00.159
against human skull. And Kevin,
let me tell you from experience, I

3361
04:15:00.280 --> 04:15:03.399
know when steel comes up against human
skull, it's the steal that wins.

3362
04:15:03.760 --> 04:15:07.799
Snow is going to make his way
outside of this cage. But again,

3363
04:15:07.920 --> 04:15:11.040
Now has to be wary this man
sadistic pack. They have no conscious.

3364
04:15:11.600 --> 04:15:16.120
A man sadistic pack of ratt wellers
is outside the ring. Bossman also going

3365
04:15:16.200 --> 04:15:20.520
outside. And if indeed there was
meeting taking place, Devin Kelly, these

3366
04:15:20.520 --> 04:15:24.520
are not human beings. They don't
sit back and smoke a cigarette. After

3367
04:15:24.639 --> 04:15:28.600
the cardinal process. They get vicious, they get mad, they get animalistic.

3368
04:15:28.840 --> 04:15:33.280
That's why they call him honible.
And now Al Snow is attempting to

3369
04:15:33.360 --> 04:15:35.360
try to find a way outside the
door. But Boss Man, I think,

3370
04:15:35.399 --> 04:15:39.280
has found the best path, and
that's freeing himself from the hall.

3371
04:15:39.520 --> 04:15:46.120
Like Plain Snow is out, snow
Dollar is out. He's got a Devin

3372
04:15:46.239 --> 04:15:52.200
Kelly the podcast Dating Kelly Disappointed Massage
not the big boss Man. But there's

3373
04:15:52.239 --> 04:15:56.319
your winner, there's your winner.
How Snowe has done it the face of

3374
04:15:56.360 --> 04:16:00.840
a winner and the face of a
loser there on the Big boss Man the

3375
04:16:00.959 --> 04:16:08.360
what about these Rottweilers. That's a
smile, a smile of satisfaction. Hal

3376
04:16:08.479 --> 04:16:12.120
Snow will be filling this match the
next morning, maybe for several mornings,

3377
04:16:12.319 --> 04:16:15.520
maybe never to be the same.
But right now that is a smile of

3378
04:16:15.639 --> 04:16:22.600
victory. Well, now the Big
boss Man realizes that defeat is his as

3379
04:16:22.680 --> 04:16:27.639
the dogs are wanting to get laymen. The dogs are actually beginning to smile

3380
04:16:27.719 --> 04:16:33.239
and tight on another, but the
boss Man is still trapped. Can he

3381
04:16:33.319 --> 04:16:37.120
make his way out? I got
sharp with the bigger story here, Kevin.

3382
04:16:37.200 --> 04:16:38.680
I think he'll concur. Look at
that pile of you're in there in

3383
04:16:38.719 --> 04:16:42.120
the corner. It's not just in
the roll snow, it's about the boss

3384
04:16:42.239 --> 04:16:45.319
man too. And these beans are
on their feet boding that for the both

3385
04:16:45.440 --> 04:16:49.799
men, because they gave you everything
they had in their body, their minds,

3386
04:16:49.840 --> 04:16:52.239
and their souls. To Kevin,
I think you'll concur. We may

3387
04:16:52.319 --> 04:16:59.120
never see anything like it at well, we didn't, and that's a good

3388
04:16:59.159 --> 04:17:06.959
thing. Pilot Urine in the corner, what's going on here? What happened?

3389
04:17:07.120 --> 04:17:11.440
That's funny, It's very funny.
Uh, you know, commentary track.

3390
04:17:11.559 --> 04:17:15.680
But you enjoy it. I did. I did. That's that's good

3391
04:17:15.719 --> 04:17:23.120
ship. But like what a what
a fucking I you know? You know

3392
04:17:23.399 --> 04:17:30.879
again this is this is to me, this is also an element of real

3393
04:17:30.399 --> 04:17:40.319
vintage Russo in a bad way,
which is him thinking it's gonna be like

3394
04:17:40.559 --> 04:17:45.399
him thinking he's going to be able
to control an uncontrollable situation. And they

3395
04:17:45.440 --> 04:17:48.559
were so high end as far as
like pulling off special effects that I can

3396
04:17:48.600 --> 04:17:52.120
almost understand where he would get the
idea that if he can see it in

3397
04:17:52.200 --> 04:17:53.799
his mind, it'll kind of look
like that on television. But he was

3398
04:17:53.879 --> 04:17:59.040
spoiled to death by them in that
regard, Like you know, the zamboni

3399
04:17:59.159 --> 04:18:02.920
and the fucking beer truck and the
Yeah, but again think about like that.

3400
04:18:03.440 --> 04:18:04.600
But but you know what, think
about it like that those are all

3401
04:18:04.680 --> 04:18:07.840
things that you can control. Yeah, I know, you know you you

3402
04:18:07.959 --> 04:18:12.200
were driving the zamboni, driving the
beer truck. A dog is an animal

3403
04:18:12.319 --> 04:18:17.680
that has its own mind and isn't
going to do what you want per se.

3404
04:18:18.000 --> 04:18:22.719
Maybe it will, but it's a
good chance it won't. In this

3405
04:18:22.920 --> 04:18:30.079
it's like to me kind of expecting
to have to be able to plan the

3406
04:18:30.200 --> 04:18:34.319
outcome or plan, the result is
no different than the fucking brawl for all.

3407
04:18:36.200 --> 04:18:37.680
And to that point, if you're
gonna have a shoot thing, you

3408
04:18:37.719 --> 04:18:42.000
know totally yeah, that's a great
corollary is the brawl for all. It's

3409
04:18:42.040 --> 04:18:44.959
like you can't control what the dogs
are going to do. You also can't

3410
04:18:44.959 --> 04:18:47.079
control what the wrestler is going to
do if you let them shoot for each

3411
04:18:47.120 --> 04:18:51.000
other, right, which is fine
with him because he's a chaos agent.

3412
04:18:51.200 --> 04:18:53.559
Whereas you have a you know,
Jim Cornett, as we highlighted a on

3413
04:18:53.959 --> 04:18:57.959
a recent Dark Side of the Ring
on Heard podcast, contrasting all that Cornett

3414
04:18:59.000 --> 04:19:00.680
said to Dark Side cameras with the
years and ald that Russo said about Cornett

3415
04:19:00.760 --> 04:19:07.760
vice versa the Dark Side cameras that
that's really the that's that's ground zero for

3416
04:19:07.879 --> 04:19:12.399
the clashes in philosophy there as Steve
Williams each shit and nothing whatsoever is done

3417
04:19:12.440 --> 04:19:18.159
with bart Gunn but mmm. To
round out the psychological profile of one Vince

3418
04:19:18.200 --> 04:19:21.600
Russo, which is always a necessary
part of diligence on an attitude or at

3419
04:19:21.680 --> 04:19:23.680
WWF show, we turned to this
slipper from this book about kind of losing

3420
04:19:23.719 --> 04:19:27.520
his grip on the WWF. A
few days prior to my last meeting with

3421
04:19:27.600 --> 04:19:30.680
Vince, I had just finished writing
Ron SmackDown when I called Steve Austin to

3422
04:19:30.760 --> 04:19:33.959
go over the script. At the
time, Austin had a boo hoo,

3423
04:19:33.200 --> 04:19:37.319
a boo boo boo bardon me,
had a boo boo and claimed he couldn't

3424
04:19:37.319 --> 04:19:41.760
do certain things whatever. So I
called Stephen home and he's telling me he

3425
04:19:41.840 --> 04:19:44.520
can't do what I had written because
he was quote unquote hurt. Meanwhile,

3426
04:19:44.520 --> 04:19:47.000
I could hear him with his hunting
buddies, drinking and having a good time.

3427
04:19:47.079 --> 04:19:52.159
Okay, when when was when was
this book written? Oh? Good

3428
04:19:52.239 --> 04:19:56.639
question. I think two thousand and
two it came out maybe three. Oh

3429
04:19:56.760 --> 04:20:00.719
really that okay, well that explains
that then, okay them like you know,

3430
04:20:00.799 --> 04:20:03.000
you hear him, he would not
say the shit on when he's a

3431
04:20:03.159 --> 04:20:08.920
guest on Austin's power after that,
Yeah, exactly. So I'm telling you,

3432
04:20:10.000 --> 04:20:14.120
man, it's so important to not
just take the most recent interaction between

3433
04:20:14.159 --> 04:20:17.840
two wrestlers to get the real story. Oh yeah, because they become friends

3434
04:20:17.959 --> 04:20:21.040
because they see that they're willing to
talk shit about each other in public.

3435
04:20:21.159 --> 04:20:22.959
So it's time to get this guy
you know what I mean, that's the

3436
04:20:22.000 --> 04:20:26.200
whole point, right, Well,
it's it's that, and then also I

3437
04:20:26.319 --> 04:20:33.000
feel like part of that is on
a different end. It's also you know,

3438
04:20:33.280 --> 04:20:40.120
you've also you're removed from the situation. Now you're not like it's not

3439
04:20:40.319 --> 04:20:44.360
all bottled up. It's like it's
been twenty years, so you can kind

3440
04:20:44.399 --> 04:20:48.000
of, you know, you can
look at it differently. That thing that's

3441
04:20:48.040 --> 04:20:51.239
simmered under the surface, that had
the tension, has now been aired and

3442
04:20:51.520 --> 04:20:53.840
now on the other side, right
right, there's nothing that's being left unsaid

3443
04:20:53.879 --> 04:20:59.479
between you two. Right, Okay, you're making somewhere about five million dollars

3444
04:20:59.520 --> 04:21:02.520
a year russo rites you're hurt,
so you can't perform on TV, but

3445
04:21:02.559 --> 04:21:04.280
you're well enough to be out drinking
and playing Ted Nugent. It was just

3446
04:21:04.360 --> 04:21:07.239
a small incident. It had happened
a million times before, but this time

3447
04:21:07.479 --> 04:21:12.280
it pushed me off the deep end. Awesome. Yeah, there's your special

3448
04:21:12.360 --> 04:21:18.319
ref for the six pack challenge that's
in the ring outside the building. A

3449
04:21:19.079 --> 04:21:25.479
contingent of WWF officials boss are striking
at Unforgiven nineteen ninety nine, are they

3450
04:21:25.559 --> 04:21:30.239
not? I don't your memories about
this tremendous piece of business. Nope,

3451
04:21:30.959 --> 04:21:37.000
I honestly I didn't remember it until
watching it, and I was like,

3452
04:21:37.120 --> 04:21:41.239
oh, oh, I vaguely remember
this was happening vaguely, Yeah, vaguely

3453
04:21:41.280 --> 04:21:44.639
it was. They were getting sick
of wrestlers beating the shit out of them,

3454
04:21:44.959 --> 04:21:48.959
so they struck for better working conditions. Earl Heavner says in his book

3455
04:21:48.000 --> 04:21:52.159
that because he was kind of the
lead ref and and the settlement to the

3456
04:21:52.200 --> 04:21:55.200
strike involved the love and the officials
to hit back if they were attacked.

3457
04:21:55.879 --> 04:21:57.360
Yeah, put him in the position
of being like an attacking wrestler and thus

3458
04:21:57.440 --> 04:22:00.760
a candidate to be put into the
New Mercy video game. Where you confirmed

3459
04:22:00.760 --> 04:22:04.440
for me when we were talking before, Earl Hebner is playable. I forgot

3460
04:22:04.479 --> 04:22:10.440
about that. Yeah he is.
He is playable, I I But it's

3461
04:22:10.520 --> 04:22:19.040
not like he's the only playable uh, you know, non wrestling character like

3462
04:22:19.959 --> 04:22:22.959
I never I mean, he seems
to say, what if not for the

3463
04:22:22.319 --> 04:22:26.440
strike angle, he wouldn't have been
put in the game. I don't think

3464
04:22:26.479 --> 04:22:27.399
so. Why would j R.
Be in the game, Why would King

3465
04:22:27.479 --> 04:22:32.600
be Why would Patter I mean,
I guess Patterson and uh and Brisco and

3466
04:22:32.639 --> 04:22:34.639
stuff. But like they wrestled,
but Paul Beharr is in the fucking game,

3467
04:22:34.799 --> 04:22:40.479
like and you get the you know, women in the game that weren't

3468
04:22:41.079 --> 04:22:48.479
wrestlers. It's like I don't understand
his now ever the game, like I

3469
04:22:48.600 --> 04:22:49.680
never did, you know, that's
the good. I never did that.

3470
04:22:51.120 --> 04:22:55.399
But like you know, these days, you can't like you can't wrestle as

3471
04:22:56.079 --> 04:22:59.760
as Bobby Heenan. He's there as
a manager, but you can't actually go

3472
04:22:59.840 --> 04:23:02.920
in and wrestle. But in that
game, everyone was able. You could

3473
04:23:02.959 --> 04:23:06.760
have matches with fucking you know Jr. And a Hoe, Right, that's

3474
04:23:06.840 --> 04:23:11.520
right, I remember that very interesting. So here is Jimmy corderis played the

3475
04:23:11.559 --> 04:23:15.200
role of the Canadian ref of the
one who had just gotten married and couldn't

3476
04:23:15.200 --> 04:23:18.520
afford to go on strike because he
needed the money. And so he quote

3477
04:23:18.559 --> 04:23:22.840
unquote crosses the picket line and refs
matches on this show, on this show.

3478
04:23:23.079 --> 04:23:26.079
And this is just a bit of
a taste of how they played it

3479
04:23:26.200 --> 04:23:33.040
up. And the protest continues outside
the Charlotte Coliseum. Sandy Bywar Senior ww

3480
04:23:33.159 --> 04:23:37.040
OF official Earl Hebner Earl, this
strike is really beginning to wear on.

3481
04:23:37.520 --> 04:23:41.040
Has there been any talks between your
side and WWS management. No, it

3482
04:23:41.200 --> 04:23:44.319
hasn't. And I'll tell you what. We're out there, we're trying to

3483
04:23:44.399 --> 04:23:48.000
do our jobs and we're not punching
bags for the boy to take the frustration

3484
04:23:48.079 --> 04:23:52.120
out on us. And I tell
we'll guarantee some sort of safety and respect

3485
04:23:52.200 --> 04:23:56.559
for althority we were remain on strike. Well, thanks, scare refs be

3486
04:23:56.680 --> 04:24:03.879
aware. Jim Corderis, we just
saw your colleagues outside protesting. Why did

3487
04:24:03.959 --> 04:24:07.520
you decide to be the one to
cross the picket line. Well, first

3488
04:24:07.559 --> 04:24:10.399
of all, Eliine, I fully
support my colleagues and their protests. I

3489
04:24:10.440 --> 04:24:12.280
mean, we have been thrown around
quite a bit lately, and in my

3490
04:24:12.479 --> 04:24:17.200
particular case, I just recently got
married and I cannot afford to not be

3491
04:24:17.319 --> 04:24:19.680
working right now. Well, later
on tonight in the six Pack Challenge,

3492
04:24:19.719 --> 04:24:22.600
you're going to be the referee,
but stone cold Steve Austin is going to

3493
04:24:22.639 --> 04:24:26.719
be the main enforcer and he's going
to be looking over your shoulder. How

3494
04:24:26.760 --> 04:24:34.920
do you feel about that? Quite
honestly, I'm nervous as hell. Yeah,

3495
04:24:36.079 --> 04:24:38.600
I'm sure that's for cowering and fear
that these attitudinal wrestlers who'd beat the

3496
04:24:38.600 --> 04:24:41.600
shit out of them, and that
would happen, But two courses came.

3497
04:24:41.719 --> 04:24:47.559
God, when the time came during
Unforgiven nineteen ninety nine for the striking referees

3498
04:24:47.600 --> 04:24:51.120
to attack the scat refs, wasn't
stone cold Steve Austin. He had to

3499
04:24:51.159 --> 04:24:55.120
worry about laying him in. Oh's
a passage, Boss that I just sent

3500
04:24:55.200 --> 04:24:57.520
to you, Yep, from Jim
Corderis's book The Three Count, which I

3501
04:24:57.520 --> 04:25:03.600
would recommend checking out. My life
than stripes as a WW referee. One

3502
04:25:03.639 --> 04:25:06.440
of the things I get asked about
a lot is my time as a quote

3503
04:25:06.520 --> 04:25:10.280
scab referee. Let me start from
the beginning. Prior to getting married,

3504
04:25:10.319 --> 04:25:14.040
I spoke with Jim Ross about taking
time off for my honeymoon Jr. Who

3505
04:25:14.159 --> 04:25:17.239
was head of Talent Relations at the
time, was my direct boss for my

3506
04:25:17.319 --> 04:25:19.840
refereeing duties. Steve Taylor was the
ring crew boss, and I had to

3507
04:25:19.879 --> 04:25:25.840
get clearing from him as well.
Why did the fucking ring crew boss have

3508
04:25:25.920 --> 04:25:30.280
anything to do with the referees,
I don't know. I guess what's one

3509
04:25:30.319 --> 04:25:33.600
point on them? I don't know. It's a good question, but if

3510
04:25:33.639 --> 04:25:36.239
they're part of the ring crew,
they got nothing to do with In ring

3511
04:25:36.360 --> 04:25:38.639
talent and the ring crew they set
up. They set up the ring.

3512
04:25:38.760 --> 04:25:41.200
I think the refs do that,
so I think the refs are concerned.

3513
04:25:41.360 --> 04:25:45.879
Okay, Yeah, I see okay, And I had a clean from him

3514
04:25:45.879 --> 04:25:48.479
as well. They were both very
receptive to the request and gave me two

3515
04:25:48.520 --> 04:25:52.520
weeks off. They told me to
relax and enjoy my time off. So

3516
04:25:52.719 --> 04:25:55.639
in September nineteen ninety nine, I
married my wife, Audra and Toronto.

3517
04:25:56.239 --> 04:25:59.760
We spent two amazing weeks in Spain
on our honeymoon. Even more even more

3518
04:26:00.440 --> 04:26:04.959
to me was that I wasn't thinking
about wrestling, no TV, no Internet.

3519
04:26:06.079 --> 04:26:07.879
I was wrestling free for the whole
trip. When I returned to work,

3520
04:26:07.920 --> 04:26:11.319
I had no idea about what had
transpired while I was away. Apparently

3521
04:26:11.360 --> 04:26:15.959
all the other referees had gone on
quote strike and protests of being abused and

3522
04:26:15.040 --> 04:26:18.040
taken for granted by the wrestlers.
As soon as I arrived at the arena

3523
04:26:18.040 --> 04:26:22.399
of the jokes began, my coworkers
were greeting me with cries of welcome back,

3524
04:26:22.479 --> 04:26:26.399
followed by quote why are you here? Aren't you on strike? Confused,

3525
04:26:26.360 --> 04:26:29.520
I went into the production office to
get to the bottom of this.

3526
04:26:30.040 --> 04:26:33.840
This is where I learned about the
most recent storyline involving all the regular w

3527
04:26:33.200 --> 04:26:38.079
referees. Tom Pritcheard, Harvey Wiblman
and Steve Lombardi were handling the referee chores

3528
04:26:38.159 --> 04:26:44.479
while the labor dispute was ongoing,
not for long, as a brief exchange

3529
04:26:44.520 --> 04:26:48.840
between Triple H and me sparked a
chain of events that would put me in

3530
04:26:48.920 --> 04:26:52.200
the forefront of this angle as far
as the refs were concerned. Here's how

3531
04:26:52.239 --> 04:26:56.159
it happened. As I was walking
down the hall towards catering, I bumped

3532
04:26:56.159 --> 04:27:00.399
into a Hunter and he said,
Hey, Corduroy, welcome back. Oh

3533
04:27:00.520 --> 04:27:04.360
god, Cordery was his nickname for
me. Too bad. You're out of

3534
04:27:04.440 --> 04:27:08.079
a job with this strike. Like, are they actually talking about this like

3535
04:27:08.159 --> 04:27:11.639
it's a real strike. I think
he's just trying to be funny. Oh

3536
04:27:11.639 --> 04:27:15.639
all right, I guess you picked
a bad time to come back. Then

3537
04:27:15.680 --> 04:27:18.360
he chuckled at the joke. I
laughed and replied, Yeah, wouldn't it

3538
04:27:18.399 --> 04:27:22.000
be funny if when they show the
other refts picketing outside the arena? I

3539
04:27:22.079 --> 04:27:23.600
came strolling up, unaware of the
strike and asked, what's going on?

3540
04:27:25.440 --> 04:27:29.200
Hunter look interested interested? So I
can look at this ninety nine he's going

3541
04:27:29.239 --> 04:27:33.559
a Hunter, and Hunter is giving
yeah fascinating Yeah, yep. So I

3542
04:27:33.639 --> 04:27:37.760
continued the other refts explain the situation. I tell them I just got married

3543
04:27:37.760 --> 04:27:40.520
and can't afford to go on strike
and try to walk into the building.

3544
04:27:40.680 --> 04:27:42.479
Just then the rest stopped me and
beat me with their signs, and the

3545
04:27:42.559 --> 04:27:45.719
next time they show the striking refs, I'm looking a little worse for wear,

3546
04:27:47.000 --> 04:27:51.360
and I've reluctantly joined the rest of
them in protest. After hearing me

3547
04:27:51.479 --> 04:27:53.600
out and finding my little scenario funny, Hunter turned to JR, who was

3548
04:27:53.920 --> 04:27:57.159
walking down the same hall, and
said to him, Hey, JR,

3549
04:27:59.079 --> 04:28:03.520
listen to this idea. DA corneris
has He then repeated the scene I had

3550
04:28:03.600 --> 04:28:07.319
just told him today. Are who
thought there was something there that could be

3551
04:28:07.520 --> 04:28:11.920
used on TV? Then they both
said they would talk to me later and

3552
04:28:11.000 --> 04:28:15.319
walked off. I wasn't sure where
this was leading, but a storyline idea

3553
04:28:15.440 --> 04:28:18.760
had been sparked by me. Later
on that day, I was filled in

3554
04:28:18.840 --> 04:28:21.760
on the newest development and the referee
strike. I would be the only regular

3555
04:28:21.799 --> 04:28:25.719
referee to cross the picket line and
would continue to officiate matches much to the

3556
04:28:25.799 --> 04:28:29.239
ire of my compatriots. This would
go on for a week or two,

3557
04:28:29.879 --> 04:28:33.000
with everything coming to a head at
the unforgiven pay per view event. I

3558
04:28:33.040 --> 04:28:34.680
would referee as if nothing was amiss. The main event of the pay per

3559
04:28:34.760 --> 04:28:40.120
view was a six pack Challenge match
for the w Championship featuring Triple h mcfoley

3560
04:28:40.120 --> 04:28:42.680
the British Bulldog came the Rock and
the Big Show. I would be the

3561
04:28:42.799 --> 04:28:48.040
assigned official for the match, and
Stone Cold Steve Austin Wood was designated the

3562
04:28:48.079 --> 04:28:51.760
special enforcer on the outside, keeping
an eye on the proceedings. What was

3563
04:28:51.799 --> 04:28:55.159
even cooler was that I got to
do my first interview on Sunday night heap

3564
04:28:55.440 --> 04:28:57.879
right before the pay per view.
Lillie and Garcia asked me why I'd enjoined

3565
04:28:57.920 --> 04:29:02.840
my fellow refs and and strike with
them, and how I felt about refing

3566
04:29:03.120 --> 04:29:07.319
the six pack Challenge. That one
minute bit made me more nervous than being

3567
04:29:07.360 --> 04:29:11.000
in the ring in front of seventy
thousand people. This was different because when

3568
04:29:11.040 --> 04:29:12.319
you are a referee in a match, you are not the focus of the

3569
04:29:12.399 --> 04:29:15.440
match. The referee is important,
but he is invisible in the ring.

3570
04:29:15.600 --> 04:29:21.360
My explaining why I was not out
there picketing with the rest of them made

3571
04:29:21.440 --> 04:29:26.520
me appreciate the good talkers that that
much more than I already did. It

3572
04:29:26.200 --> 04:29:30.879
was now match time and all was
going smoothly. Stone Cold was keeping a

3573
04:29:30.920 --> 04:29:33.280
careful eye on the match from the
announcer's table while sipping a Steve Weiser.

3574
04:29:33.719 --> 04:29:38.079
The six men in the match were
giving their all as the live crowd was

3575
04:29:38.239 --> 04:29:41.600
very much into the match. As
the match was winding down, the striking

3576
04:29:41.639 --> 04:29:45.520
referees entered the arena, walked down
the ringside, and began to berate yours

3577
04:29:45.600 --> 04:29:51.079
truly. I was somewhat distracted by
the shouting, but kept my composure and

3578
04:29:51.280 --> 04:29:55.840
refed on. After a flurry of
activity, Big Show gave Mick Foley a

3579
04:29:55.920 --> 04:29:59.399
choke slam and covered him in a
pin attempt. Like any good referee would,

3580
04:29:59.440 --> 04:30:03.360
I slid into position and began to
count. The crowd counted along one,

3581
04:30:03.760 --> 04:30:06.680
two. Before I could hit the
canvas for a three count, the

3582
04:30:06.760 --> 04:30:10.559
striking referees grabbed my legs and dragged
me out of the ring. An argument

3583
04:30:10.719 --> 04:30:15.680
ensued, then suddenly, then an
argument ensued. Then suddenly, Earl Hadner

3584
04:30:15.799 --> 04:30:18.639
threw a punch at me. It
was a working punch, but I think

3585
04:30:18.680 --> 04:30:22.040
Earl was being a little too nice
because the blow landed squarely on my chest

3586
04:30:22.200 --> 04:30:27.399
and nowhere near my face. I
bumped anyways, as the remaining officials pummeled

3587
04:30:27.440 --> 04:30:33.079
me while I was on the ground. It really wasn't that bad until one

3588
04:30:33.120 --> 04:30:37.159
referee decided to go into business for
himself by kicking me as hard as he

3589
04:30:37.200 --> 04:30:41.159
could in the back, in the
butt and even dropping down and punching me

3590
04:30:41.280 --> 04:30:45.239
in the groin area. I was, I think this is always in this

3591
04:30:45.959 --> 04:30:51.920
moment, yep, exactly like for
this bizarre, like D level storyline.

3592
04:30:52.719 --> 04:30:56.959
You know, I was genuinely hurting
all from one individual. None of the

3593
04:30:56.000 --> 04:31:00.840
other punches are kicks thrown by the
other refs even registered. I didn't know

3594
04:31:00.879 --> 04:31:03.000
at the time who the culprit was, but I was going to find out.

3595
04:31:03.079 --> 04:31:07.200
In the meantime, Stone Cold came
to my defense and beat up the

3596
04:31:07.280 --> 04:31:10.600
refs who took out their frustration on
me. Austin cleaned house. As they

3597
04:31:10.680 --> 04:31:15.920
say, Oh he went fucking he
went nuts on the referees like like I

3598
04:31:15.000 --> 04:31:18.959
can my eyes. It's actually you
know, I was actually kind of alarmed.

3599
04:31:19.120 --> 04:31:23.200
I get how violent he was with
them, like just throwing them and

3600
04:31:23.319 --> 04:31:29.520
shit and it's like Holy God like, almost as if he resented the storyline,

3601
04:31:29.559 --> 04:31:36.040
you know it's and took over for
me as the official of the match.

3602
04:31:36.520 --> 04:31:38.479
The next day, we were in
Greensboro, North Carolina for Monday Night

3603
04:31:38.559 --> 04:31:41.840
Raw, as his customary, the
day after a pay per view, the

3604
04:31:41.879 --> 04:31:45.559
tape of the previous night's event was
available for viewing. I couldn't wait to

3605
04:31:45.639 --> 04:31:48.000
check out the footage to see who
the culprit was who had left me bruise

3606
04:31:48.040 --> 04:31:52.479
and hurting. I popped in the
tape and fast forward to the moment in

3607
04:31:52.559 --> 04:31:56.159
question. There he was busted.
Playing it back, I was more surprised

3608
04:31:56.200 --> 04:32:00.280
that mike Kiyota didn't break his foot
from kicking me so hard. At one

3609
04:32:00.319 --> 04:32:03.760
point, he was kicking so hard
that he nearly fell over as he wailed

3610
04:32:03.799 --> 04:32:08.239
away. I knew right there and
then that a quote receipt was coming his

3611
04:32:08.399 --> 04:32:12.399
way. I wasn't sure when,
but one was coming. That night's Raw

3612
04:32:12.479 --> 04:32:15.440
proved to be a challenging one for
me. Before the show, all the

3613
04:32:15.479 --> 04:32:18.760
referees were called in a Vince's office. We were not in any kind of

3614
04:32:18.879 --> 04:32:22.159
trouble or anything like that. We
were shooting a pre tape segment for the

3615
04:32:22.200 --> 04:32:26.440
show. The premise of the pre
tape was that mister McMahon had settled the

3616
04:32:26.479 --> 04:32:30.239
dispute between the striking referees and the
talent. After the first take, Vince

3617
04:32:30.280 --> 04:32:33.879
looked at me and said to writer, Vince Russo didn't get beat up by

3618
04:32:33.879 --> 04:32:36.920
all the other ref last night.
He doesn't look beat up to me.

3619
04:32:37.399 --> 04:32:41.440
Shit. Russo said that we didn't
have time to alter my appearance to look

3620
04:32:41.479 --> 04:32:45.479
beat up. The solution they decided
was to put my left arm in a

3621
04:32:45.559 --> 04:32:48.120
sling that was suggested by Vince McMahon
and would end up being the extent of

3622
04:32:48.200 --> 04:32:52.639
my injuries. I guess you thought
it would be funny to have me referee

3623
04:32:52.639 --> 04:32:55.559
a match on Raw that night.
While in the ring in the sling,

3624
04:32:56.239 --> 04:33:00.479
I was assigned to d Loo Brown
versus Chaz and when they found out I

3625
04:33:00.600 --> 04:33:03.360
was wearing a sling on my arm, they changed up the match a little

3626
04:33:03.400 --> 04:33:07.959
bit. Suddenly there were many more
pin attempts at it, which meant I

3627
04:33:07.000 --> 04:33:12.240
would have to get up and down
on them freaking, oh my god,

3628
04:33:14.040 --> 04:33:17.919
and quickly, all the while selling
my left arm. They were getting such

3629
04:33:17.959 --> 04:33:19.880
a kick out of watching me struggle
to get up and down. They were

3630
04:33:19.919 --> 04:33:23.959
almost laughing during the match. They
later confessed me that they purposely added those

3631
04:33:25.000 --> 04:33:26.639
extra near falls as a rib on
me, But the real rib had begun

3632
04:33:26.959 --> 04:33:32.119
a few hours earlier, when mister
McMahon had me wear that damn thing they

3633
04:33:32.200 --> 04:33:34.599
all got me on this night.
But that's all right. I don't mind

3634
04:33:34.680 --> 04:33:41.119
harmless pranks being played on me,
and if and if can make people laugh

3635
04:33:41.080 --> 04:33:45.840
in the process, that makes it
even more worth a minor inconvenience. Before

3636
04:33:45.880 --> 04:33:49.080
I before I forget to mention it, I did get Keyota back a few

3637
04:33:49.119 --> 04:33:52.279
months later. It was during one
night raw. All the referees had to

3638
04:33:52.360 --> 04:33:56.000
run down to the ring to break
up a brawl. When we got the

3639
04:33:56.119 --> 04:33:59.080
queue to go to the ring,
I let the other refs go first through

3640
04:33:59.119 --> 04:34:03.240
the curtain and then strategically positioned myself
behind Keyota as we ran down to the

3641
04:34:03.319 --> 04:34:06.319
ring. Once we got to the
point of no return, I made my

3642
04:34:06.520 --> 04:34:10.200
move. Everything had to be timed
just right. The second Mike was about

3643
04:34:10.200 --> 04:34:12.840
to dive under the bottom rope and
enter the ring in dramatic fashion, I

3644
04:34:12.919 --> 04:34:18.639
gave him a little nudge from behind
and sent him crashing chest first into the

3645
04:34:18.759 --> 04:34:22.319
side of the ring. Not only
was I laughing at this point, but

3646
04:34:22.400 --> 04:34:26.279
one of the camera men found humor
as well. Kyota was so mad and

3647
04:34:26.360 --> 04:34:30.119
he shot me the dirtiest look imaginable. Didn't bother me in the lease I

3648
04:34:30.200 --> 04:34:34.799
got. I got me some payback
for unforgiven. Now I was a happy

3649
04:34:34.880 --> 04:34:40.479
camper. That's really fucking funny.
What a saga. Yep, Like these

3650
04:34:40.520 --> 04:34:42.119
guys, they had their own little
world, these refs, of course,

3651
04:34:42.319 --> 04:34:45.319
yeah, they you know, like
it's he's pissed at my Kyota. It's

3652
04:34:45.319 --> 04:34:49.240
awesome. Yeah, yeah, I
didn't see anywhere and Mike Yota does like

3653
04:34:49.240 --> 04:34:52.759
a mailbag thing for Radfrey shows.
I haven't seen him ever address this,

3654
04:34:52.880 --> 04:34:56.400
but oh, I bet he's embarrassed. Love to ask him about you know,

3655
04:34:56.479 --> 04:35:00.200
why he decided to go so hard
on Jimmy Cord Harris. And he

3656
04:35:00.240 --> 04:35:02.799
sits there and like, no,
I don't want to and that be the

3657
04:35:02.880 --> 04:35:06.599
most that would be the most money
answer he could possibly give. Yeah,

3658
04:35:06.720 --> 04:35:11.400
oh seriously, no, not going
there. But not going there, bro,

3659
04:35:11.400 --> 04:35:17.439
not taking that creative brother. Imagine
you're doing this angle and he's kicking

3660
04:35:17.479 --> 04:35:19.360
the ship out of your ribs and
your your job is to lay there and

3661
04:35:19.439 --> 04:35:23.680
not fight back. Yeah. But
Austin. But Austin comes down, he

3662
04:35:23.840 --> 04:35:30.840
is swinging. Oh my god,
he is ripping them apart. Such a

3663
04:35:30.959 --> 04:35:38.279
tough night at the office, Like
he is just an absolute bitch, killing

3664
04:35:38.360 --> 04:35:41.599
him, killing him. It's Austin. Man. He was so awesome.

3665
04:35:42.000 --> 04:35:49.000
He was so he was so great, he was so great. Ah Jerich

3666
04:35:49.479 --> 04:35:53.799
Jericho, Oh boy, oh boy, here we go. This is his

3667
04:35:53.880 --> 04:36:00.520
first yes coming at Summer Slam,
had done a promo. Oh of course,

3668
04:36:00.880 --> 04:36:03.759
had the most impactful debut ever on
the August second, nineteen ninety nine

3669
04:36:03.799 --> 04:36:07.520
Raun Chicago and the Countdown of the
Millennium expired while The Rock was in the

3670
04:36:07.560 --> 04:36:10.520
ring cutting of promo, and Jericho
memorably makes his debut with the music and

3671
04:36:10.560 --> 04:36:14.400
everything debuting and cuts a great promo
and has a great back and forth with

3672
04:36:14.479 --> 04:36:18.759
the Rock on the stick. Definitely
big things foretold. And do you know

3673
04:36:18.840 --> 04:36:22.400
that Vince Russo on the October fifth, I think or fourth Raw that he

3674
04:36:22.479 --> 04:36:26.360
booked before he skipped down Chris Jericho
to go Over the Rock Clean in the

3675
04:36:26.400 --> 04:36:30.639
minivent read with over the Rock at
least I don't know about Clean. Wow,

3676
04:36:32.720 --> 04:36:34.560
that's wild. And according to Russo, they kept everything about that episode

3677
04:36:34.599 --> 04:36:38.639
of raw except Jericho beating the Rock, of course, And they said they

3678
04:36:38.720 --> 04:36:41.759
decided to wait two years to get
the Rock, to get Chris jerichot to

3679
04:36:41.799 --> 04:36:45.799
where he would have been had he
beat the Rock that night. But this

3680
04:36:45.959 --> 04:36:48.959
is a clash. This is something
they lost when Rosso left, the ability

3681
04:36:49.040 --> 04:36:53.919
or the interest in leaning into somebody
that wasn't of their own creation. Russo

3682
04:36:55.000 --> 04:36:56.959
is a little more open minded to
that. Yes, And you can tell

3683
04:36:56.959 --> 04:37:00.759
by the way Jericho was booked in
a few weeks Russo was there that Jericho

3684
04:37:00.880 --> 04:37:04.279
was presented much more strongly, somebody
that was a threat in addition to being

3685
04:37:04.360 --> 04:37:08.479
hilarious. And I don't know,
it was kind of like just picking up

3686
04:37:08.479 --> 04:37:12.720
where left off with the w CW
Goofball character, something that WF wasn't really

3687
04:37:12.799 --> 04:37:17.520
keen to lean into or replicate,
but the Russo clearly liked a lot.

3688
04:37:18.479 --> 04:37:21.400
What do you remember about Jericho in
these earliest days, feuding with like oh

3689
04:37:22.000 --> 04:37:27.720
Shamrock and XBOC. Yeah. I
don't really remember Curtis Hughes in his corner.

3690
04:37:29.360 --> 04:37:34.159
I remember, I remember mister Hughes. I really don't remember much else.

3691
04:37:37.520 --> 04:37:38.919
Oh yeah, oh my god.
Yeah, absolutely to me, that

3692
04:37:40.080 --> 04:37:45.000
was one of the uh you know, I was always always in favor of

3693
04:37:45.639 --> 04:37:49.479
some kind of one opsmanship on w
W grabbing a WW guy. Yeah yeah,

3694
04:37:49.799 --> 04:37:53.840
yep, always a fan of that, and this was no difference to

3695
04:37:55.200 --> 04:37:57.919
it's a guy that The key thing
here, as we've talked about, is

3696
04:37:59.000 --> 04:38:02.880
that they're signaling to everyone in a
WCW that's someone that is you know,

3697
04:38:03.000 --> 04:38:06.119
way under pushed can come over here
and be you know, share shared the

3698
04:38:06.240 --> 04:38:10.639
stage with the Rock and your first
night in yet this kind of production support

3699
04:38:10.720 --> 04:38:14.080
behind making your debut of Massive.
Yeah, it was fucking money. It

3700
04:38:14.159 --> 04:38:18.119
was amazing. It was and it's
like pretty soon ben Wa, Malenko,

3701
04:38:18.479 --> 04:38:22.599
Saturn, Guerrero, uh and so
many others are are coming over. The

3702
04:38:22.639 --> 04:38:26.240
whole company would be bought eventually,
but the signal was sent, you know,

3703
04:38:26.360 --> 04:38:30.040
it's like we're in, We're we're
open for business. Yeah, and

3704
04:38:30.119 --> 04:38:33.759
if taking you away from them can
hurt them, we will do it.

3705
04:38:34.840 --> 04:38:38.360
And Jericho, but he comes in
with a lot of habits that were learned

3706
04:38:38.360 --> 04:38:41.639
working internationally in the Rings of Mexico
and Japan and w CW, which pretty

3707
04:38:41.680 --> 04:38:45.680
much let him wrestle it and let
everybody else from the Cruiserweight division wrestle as

3708
04:38:45.720 --> 04:38:49.639
they did or would in Mexico and
Japan without really insisting on a house style

3709
04:38:49.720 --> 04:38:55.279
that WWF had, you know,
developed over the years, finds himself a

3710
04:38:55.319 --> 04:38:57.880
fish out of water in those early
days. This indeed a weird deal where

3711
04:38:57.919 --> 04:39:00.599
Rock was supposed to wrestle Big but
Man on the House show in August twenty

3712
04:39:00.680 --> 04:39:03.599
first in Winnipeg, which of course
is Chris Jericho's hometown, but due to

3713
04:39:03.680 --> 04:39:07.799
a flight complications, the Rock couldn't
make the flight from Miami. So in

3714
04:39:07.840 --> 04:39:11.119
fact, Chris Jericho's first WWF match
was the show in Winnipeg against the Big

3715
04:39:11.159 --> 04:39:14.759
boss Man and like a nightstick match, it wasn't on television, but he

3716
04:39:14.759 --> 04:39:21.279
said didn't go particularly well. But
here is here's him talking to xbox xpock

3717
04:39:21.319 --> 04:39:23.560
at a podcast that was on Jericho's
network for a while. Jericho guested on

3718
04:39:23.639 --> 04:39:29.000
the show, and here they kind
of laid bare what the backstage was like,

3719
04:39:29.119 --> 04:39:33.040
the politicking was like around this new
cat, Chris Jericho. And you

3720
04:39:33.119 --> 04:39:36.240
know whether he was running headlong into
this system of like, oh he's no

3721
04:39:36.279 --> 04:39:37.680
good, you know how it is? Right? Yeah, Shan Waltman's the

3722
04:39:37.720 --> 04:39:41.520
barometer or the guy that he comes
through the curtain and says Shane Douglas.

3723
04:39:41.119 --> 04:39:44.439
It's not going to work, and
pretty soon the whole click hates the guy

3724
04:39:45.319 --> 04:39:48.840
was Chris Jericho to meet the same
fate. Anyways, I went in and

3725
04:39:48.959 --> 04:39:53.639
I and I complained to you,
or complained to Vince and Shane about you,

3726
04:39:55.319 --> 04:40:00.479
and apparently they like, I didn't
know that, like that, Vince

3727
04:40:00.000 --> 04:40:03.159
ripped you a new one about that, and I'm sorry about that, Chris,

3728
04:40:03.240 --> 04:40:10.080
that was all my fault. Well, just to kind of take the

3729
04:40:10.159 --> 04:40:15.520
pictures for everyone listening, when I
came into WWE, it's hard for people

3730
04:40:15.639 --> 04:40:22.439
to actually believe this, but at
that time frame, the wrestling war was

3731
04:40:22.599 --> 04:40:26.720
real, and it only things you
were lacking, guys, real bullshit.

3732
04:40:26.799 --> 04:40:29.319
I didn't care, No, it
was real. There was a little bit

3733
04:40:29.360 --> 04:40:34.360
of underlying heat amongst the boys.
If you came from WCW or vice versa.

3734
04:40:34.680 --> 04:40:37.479
It's just the way that it was. And so when I came into

3735
04:40:37.680 --> 04:40:41.919
WV with all the pomp and circumstance
and you know, the Millennium Men,

3736
04:40:41.080 --> 04:40:45.319
the countdown and you know, first
night interrupting the Rock, I'm sure I

3737
04:40:45.400 --> 04:40:49.479
had heat just by the fact that
I was doing it fine. That was

3738
04:40:49.520 --> 04:40:53.639
the fact that I was completely oblivious
to that. I knew really nothing about

3739
04:40:53.680 --> 04:40:56.040
the politics of what was going on. I was just doing my thing.

3740
04:40:56.080 --> 04:41:04.319
However, I called Undertaker boring on
TV. You know, just laughing at

3741
04:41:04.360 --> 04:41:07.720
that right now, like what the
hell? Like what are you doing?

3742
04:41:08.720 --> 04:41:11.360
Taker, even at the time was
laughing, and he said it was even

3743
04:41:11.400 --> 04:41:17.000
worse because he had just cut this
super boring tromo. So it was like,

3744
04:41:17.400 --> 04:41:19.439
I really like this young upside going
at four that was the ship and

3745
04:41:19.560 --> 04:41:23.520
it was the ships. But for
Taker to hear that, and then of

3746
04:41:23.639 --> 04:41:26.639
course Sean is there and Hunters there
and Steve is there, and everyone is

3747
04:41:26.720 --> 04:41:32.959
there thinking, who does this guy
think he is? Right? He I

3748
04:41:33.119 --> 04:41:36.759
just stubborn and how I put together
matches and stood up for what I believed

3749
04:41:36.799 --> 04:41:38.400
in. It did lead to a
lot of heat. And now I did

3750
04:41:38.520 --> 04:41:41.560
not know that You're the one that
went complaining to Vince about it. Yeah,

3751
04:41:41.720 --> 04:41:48.759
but you know it was it was
you, Hunter or China. I

3752
04:41:48.799 --> 04:41:52.400
mean it was a combination of all
three that did lead Vince. I believe

3753
04:41:52.479 --> 04:41:55.240
it was two months in. It
was in Tampa, Florida to basically tell

3754
04:41:55.319 --> 04:42:00.560
me, it's the classic line,
You're you're as dreen as drass and you're

3755
04:42:00.639 --> 04:42:08.959
not worth the paper that your contract
is printed off. Wow Jesus, well

3756
04:42:10.119 --> 04:42:14.680
he was. But at the time
I wasn't as good as I thought I

3757
04:42:14.799 --> 04:42:18.119
was either, because you came the
other way around. You came from WW

3758
04:42:18.360 --> 04:42:23.279
to w CW. Now, when
you got to w CW, you have

3759
04:42:23.400 --> 04:42:26.919
to tell me that you noticed there
was a difference in organization and working style.

3760
04:42:27.959 --> 04:42:34.119
You know, I didn't realize just
how I'm not going to say bad,

3761
04:42:34.240 --> 04:42:37.720
but working in w CW, I
never reason knew how to fee a

3762
04:42:37.799 --> 04:42:41.080
comeback. Nobody ever taught me that, which is ridiculous when you think about

3763
04:42:41.119 --> 04:42:47.439
it. But we were still working
in this hybrid Japanese European Canadian style.

3764
04:42:47.520 --> 04:42:51.159
I had no idea what bumping and
feeding was, you know. I mean

3765
04:42:51.200 --> 04:42:53.360
you picked it up quick, Chris. I mean you you adjusted real quick.

3766
04:42:53.799 --> 04:42:57.080
It's not like you did well and
that's the thing to it. And

3767
04:42:57.159 --> 04:43:02.799
you had the same the same benefit
of being around the world before you got

3768
04:43:02.840 --> 04:43:04.919
to w B. Right. So
when I got to w DEB, I'd

3769
04:43:04.919 --> 04:43:08.479
been working for nine years and I've
been over in every company I'd ever worked

3770
04:43:08.520 --> 04:43:12.599
for. So you know, there's
certain guys like when Daniel Brian came into

3771
04:43:12.759 --> 04:43:15.560
w D. I knew he would
get over no matter what, because he's

3772
04:43:15.639 --> 04:43:19.919
been over everywhere and he's ever worked. He'll figure it out. And that's

3773
04:43:19.959 --> 04:43:22.639
what I did. I figured it
out. It didn't take long, but

3774
04:43:22.759 --> 04:43:29.200
there was a huge, you know, bullseye on my back and I smartened

3775
04:43:29.279 --> 04:43:32.520
up to it very quickly. And
the other part of the story is when

3776
04:43:32.720 --> 04:43:34.479
you know, we laugh now that
you you know, went excuse me off

3777
04:43:34.560 --> 04:43:38.840
or whatever. But what Vince told
me was you now have to go well

3778
04:43:38.880 --> 04:43:41.479
a he said, you're working with
Xbox tonight. If you don't have a

3779
04:43:41.560 --> 04:43:47.479
good match, you're fired, which
is jailatine over my head, right.

3780
04:43:48.000 --> 04:43:52.279
And also and also I'm not sure
if you ever heard that or not,

3781
04:43:52.439 --> 04:43:56.200
but you could have easily went and
sandbagged me and fucked me and you know,

3782
04:43:56.720 --> 04:43:57.880
but you didn't. We had a
great match, as we always did

3783
04:43:57.919 --> 04:44:02.400
because we always had great match.
Yeah, and then afterwards Vince was super

3784
04:44:02.479 --> 04:44:06.040
cool, pat me on the back
a pally wow called tomorrow. Oh and

3785
04:44:06.080 --> 04:44:08.279
by the way, every match that
you have from now on, run it

3786
04:44:08.400 --> 04:44:15.319
past John waltmon first and make sure
that it makes sense. What a fucking

3787
04:44:15.479 --> 04:44:22.159
Jesus Christ. What an environment to
walk into what's problem with the contract,

3788
04:44:22.360 --> 04:44:26.200
the paper your your name is printed
on the fuck is wrong with these people?

3789
04:44:27.880 --> 04:44:30.759
He doesn't know how to bump and
feed. Do you know what that

3790
04:44:30.880 --> 04:44:33.439
means? I don't even know what
fucking feeding. I mean, I know

3791
04:44:33.520 --> 04:44:37.279
what feeding the wrestler is. For
sure. Every comeback, apparently to be

3792
04:44:37.560 --> 04:44:42.759
proper, has to have the babyface, have the heel run into him,

3793
04:44:42.799 --> 04:44:45.119
drop, you know, close line
drop, get up, close line drop,

3794
04:44:45.159 --> 04:44:48.159
close line drop. That's bump and
feed. You're feeding the feeding the

3795
04:44:48.200 --> 04:44:52.799
baby face your body to knock you
down. And when you look at it,

3796
04:44:52.880 --> 04:44:55.520
it's like, yeah, that's that
is how they do every comeback and

3797
04:44:55.560 --> 04:45:00.279
it sucks. Like I get that
it equips you to go, you know,

3798
04:45:00.439 --> 04:45:03.479
on the circuit and do matches every
night. That that please the fans

3799
04:45:03.560 --> 04:45:07.520
just kind of memorize these these patterns
that WW fans want out of matches.

3800
04:45:07.200 --> 04:45:11.599
But it's it's it's not like a
badge of honor that you have drilled into

3801
04:45:11.680 --> 04:45:15.439
you that at some point in this
match the baby face has to start coming

3802
04:45:15.479 --> 04:45:18.799
back and drop me three times with
closed lines of right hands. It's just

3803
04:45:18.919 --> 04:45:22.479
stupid. So when DDP comes in, he's not accustomed to selling like that

3804
04:45:22.599 --> 04:45:26.639
he's not accustomed to, like its
ww like. The culture is like,

3805
04:45:26.799 --> 04:45:30.400
you're not taking my offense seriously enough
unless you flat back for my right hand

3806
04:45:30.599 --> 04:45:34.240
right on the big comeback. So
he wrestles Undertaker the first night and or

3807
04:45:34.360 --> 04:45:37.720
one of the first nights in the
big story was he's throwing his big soup

3808
04:45:37.799 --> 04:45:41.520
bones, these vaunted Undertaker right hands
at DDP is selling it as he would

3809
04:45:41.520 --> 04:45:44.560
want to, which is basically like
staggering into the ropes like a boxer and

3810
04:45:44.720 --> 04:45:48.119
like not leaving his feet and not
going down, and of course that's fucking

3811
04:45:48.159 --> 04:45:52.400
sack religious, that's disrespectful. The
Undertaker's real striking ability because he watches UF

3812
04:45:55.279 --> 04:45:56.119
so he gets in all kinds of
heat. And that's why a lot of

3813
04:45:56.159 --> 04:46:00.319
these WCW guys were in the doghouse
was because there's all these rules. The

3814
04:46:00.479 --> 04:46:03.279
WWF just pulled out of their ass
and acted like they're like the only way

3815
04:46:03.279 --> 04:46:07.880
to do pro wrestling. Apparently you
can make millions of dollars in w CW

3816
04:46:07.000 --> 04:46:11.080
would never have learned these lessons ever, including training under like Olely Anderson and

3817
04:46:11.159 --> 04:46:15.360
some deep grizzled veterans and Kevin Sullivan. The Power Plan because you want to

3818
04:46:15.400 --> 04:46:19.479
know his secret, because it doesn't
matter because it's not real and it's not

3819
04:46:19.599 --> 04:46:23.919
real and the rules are bullshit,
right, and also your personal taste has

3820
04:46:23.959 --> 04:46:29.400
nothing to do with what makes good
pro wrestling, right, and because that's

3821
04:46:30.520 --> 04:46:34.319
well right for the masses, work
like stop right exactly, stop stop funk

3822
04:46:34.360 --> 04:46:37.439
out of here with that shit.
You don't feed me something else, okay,

3823
04:46:37.880 --> 04:46:42.400
you feed me less feed comes in
to slog. At first, he's

3824
04:46:42.439 --> 04:46:48.279
presented very power bomb road dog through
a table and smack downs, like,

3825
04:46:48.319 --> 04:46:52.000
oh, this guy's coming with power, coming in as a smarmy, smart

3826
04:46:52.040 --> 04:46:55.720
ass, he's actually knocking down an
established talent, and then all of a

3827
04:46:55.720 --> 04:46:59.200
sudden he needs a bodyguard. All
of a sudden, they're pushing hard that

3828
04:46:59.279 --> 04:47:02.759
he needs. I remember he comes
in strong, and he's complained about this

3829
04:47:02.880 --> 04:47:06.159
too. He's been talking about this
in other things where he comes in strong

3830
04:47:06.400 --> 04:47:07.240
and then all of a sudden he's
got nothing to do. They don't know

3831
04:47:07.240 --> 04:47:10.520
what to do with it. It's
like after he comes in and they realized

3832
04:47:10.560 --> 04:47:11.720
the Rock isn't actually going to be
his first program, and that's just like

3833
04:47:11.759 --> 04:47:15.720
his first interaction, right, they
realized like, well, we got to

3834
04:47:15.759 --> 04:47:18.560
plunge really deep down the car to
find somebody that it makes sense for him

3835
04:47:18.560 --> 04:47:22.599
to work with this early in the
game. Or you could have him go

3836
04:47:22.639 --> 04:47:25.319
over Rock and make a star out
of him. That was Russo's idea.

3837
04:47:25.639 --> 04:47:27.000
You know, I love love to
have seen, honestly what he would have

3838
04:47:27.040 --> 04:47:30.119
done with Jericho if he stuck around, because he fell in love with it,

3839
04:47:30.240 --> 04:47:34.119
with the gimmick. But yeah,
Curtis Hughes who had anarcolepsy and would

3840
04:47:34.159 --> 04:47:37.720
literally fall asleep in the middle of
the ring sometimes. That's why he wore

3841
04:47:37.720 --> 04:47:41.400
those sunglasses all the time. Did
you know that I did not? I

3842
04:47:41.560 --> 04:47:45.560
love that. That's the case that
makes me very happy. Jericho once lent

3843
04:47:45.680 --> 04:47:48.799
him like a you know, a
sparkly vest because he would just show up

3844
04:47:48.840 --> 04:47:52.720
in black T shirts and he wore
that sparkle every single time, accorded to

3845
04:47:52.759 --> 04:47:56.159
Jericho's book, that he showed up
in his corner WATV. And then they

3846
04:47:56.240 --> 04:47:57.959
kind of brought Howard Finkel out as
maybe a new ralphist for him, and

3847
04:47:59.080 --> 04:48:03.319
he needed like these these these interplay
sidekick people all of a sudden with him,

3848
04:48:03.400 --> 04:48:07.599
Yeah, what's the problem, Yes, it's totally fine. And so

3849
04:48:07.680 --> 04:48:11.959
he enters a few with Shamrock,
which is an odd fit, but that

3850
04:48:11.080 --> 04:48:15.520
was that was pretty much the idea, And so they have a deal where

3851
04:48:17.240 --> 04:48:21.880
he's getting to Shamrock and injuring him
and SHAMROCK's chasing him around trying to kill

3852
04:48:21.959 --> 04:48:25.759
him. But when they get to
the pay per view, it turns out

3853
04:48:25.799 --> 04:48:32.840
that Kenny's not going out to wrestle
that he's got he's got issues with a

3854
04:48:32.919 --> 04:48:36.360
series of things he had been according
to his to his book that Jonathan Snowden

3855
04:48:36.400 --> 04:48:40.200
Wright, he'd been injured on a
September thirteenth house show in Anaheim, California,

3856
04:48:40.240 --> 04:48:42.479
when he took a hard kick from
mister Hughes. Actually that aggravated some

3857
04:48:42.639 --> 04:48:47.240
neck issues that Ken Shermrock had going
all the way back to high school,

3858
04:48:47.560 --> 04:48:51.639
and it made him nervous about taking
further bumps in a wrestling match. While

3859
04:48:51.720 --> 04:48:55.880
he was lining up what would become
his return to MMA fighting. Let's not

3860
04:48:56.000 --> 04:48:59.840
forget that he's pretty quickly going to
cycle out of WWF and go back to

3861
04:49:00.119 --> 04:49:03.880
Pride fighting Pride and fighting the UFC
as well. So he's already moving on,

3862
04:49:04.119 --> 04:49:11.240
you know what I mean. The
last thing he wants to do is

3863
04:49:11.279 --> 04:49:15.959
is lose it is loose right or
to you know, aggravate an injury that

3864
04:49:17.000 --> 04:49:19.959
could prevent him from turning around and
making immediate money in MMA. But he's

3865
04:49:21.000 --> 04:49:25.680
totally fine aggravating fans, apparently inaggravating
Chris Jericho. Yeah. So again to

3866
04:49:25.759 --> 04:49:30.400
the point we get to we get
to the building here for Unforgiven nineteen ninety

3867
04:49:30.479 --> 04:49:36.720
nine, and Chris Jericho has to
take the microphone on the pre show on

3868
04:49:36.759 --> 04:49:41.759
Sunday Night Heat and tell the people
that they're not going to get Ken Shamrock

3869
04:49:41.799 --> 04:49:45.000
versus Chris Jericho tonight. Since we
kick off Sunday Night Heat, we have

3870
04:49:45.240 --> 04:49:49.200
big news for you from the Charlotte
Coliseum. Ken Shamrock, the world's most

3871
04:49:49.279 --> 04:49:53.959
dangerous man, will not be able
to compete tonight against Chris Jericho under doctors

3872
04:49:55.159 --> 04:50:00.720
orders internal injury suffered at the hands
of a Chris Jericho on Smith the fury

3873
04:50:00.799 --> 04:50:03.799
of Chris Jericho. I know you
expect me, and a lot of people

3874
04:50:03.880 --> 04:50:07.319
expect me to come out here and
gloat and brag and laugh about Ken Shamrock

3875
04:50:07.360 --> 04:50:11.799
having to retire. Of course,
that's exactly what I'm gonna do. Ken

3876
04:50:11.880 --> 04:50:18.159
Scamrock, you were lucky to escape
with only losing a career. You're lucky

3877
04:50:18.240 --> 04:50:22.119
that you can still walk and you
can still talk, So consider yourself at

3878
04:50:22.159 --> 04:50:29.599
a plus. But as all the
Jerichoholics know, I would never ever let

3879
04:50:29.720 --> 04:50:34.479
them down, and I guarantee that
I am gonna scour this building and find

3880
04:50:34.840 --> 04:50:41.720
an opponent to wrestle against tonight.
I will still main event unforgiven, and

3881
04:50:41.840 --> 04:50:47.040
I will still save this god forsaken
boring pay per view. I guarantee it.

3882
04:50:47.119 --> 04:50:48.799
Do you understand? Let's go a
big guy. Come on, It's

3883
04:50:48.880 --> 04:50:55.560
Chris Jericho and Curtis Hughes, folks, also tonight, Hey still got a

3884
04:50:55.560 --> 04:50:59.200
searching your voice? I feel like, yes, yes for incredible as his

3885
04:50:59.439 --> 04:51:03.439
debut pro that's a Jericho that's kind
of like, uh uh, how do

3886
04:51:03.560 --> 04:51:07.639
I sound like I belong in WWF? Yeah? You know what I mean?

3887
04:51:07.759 --> 04:51:11.479
Yep, I agree. So he
talks in his book about a series

3888
04:51:11.520 --> 04:51:15.360
of mishaps that led up to this
match, as far as like working with

3889
04:51:15.439 --> 04:51:18.799
Shamrock to get the uh, to
get the matches, to get the match

3890
04:51:18.880 --> 04:51:22.599
set up. He says here in
his book, I began a program with

3891
04:51:22.680 --> 04:51:26.040
Ken Shamrock, which started with me
being lowered into the ring inside of a

3892
04:51:26.119 --> 04:51:30.240
shark cage like Richard Dreyfus and Jaws. I called Ken out, telling him

3893
04:51:30.240 --> 04:51:30.919
that I wasn't in the cage to
protect me from him. I was in

3894
04:51:30.919 --> 04:51:33.479
the cage to protect him from me. Ken pride the bars open. I

3895
04:51:33.560 --> 04:51:37.159
freaked out escaped backstage. Shamrock found
Finkel in a blonde wig, thinking that

3896
04:51:37.240 --> 04:51:41.400
he was me as he was accosting
Harold as I called him, Yeah,

3897
04:51:41.400 --> 04:51:42.799
he called him Harold Finkle. That's
right, I know, that's great.

3898
04:51:44.000 --> 04:51:45.560
I stuck up from behind slam SHAMROCK's
heading a car door and put him in

3899
04:51:45.599 --> 04:51:48.520
the walls as Harold took pictures.
The next week, Russo decided he wanted

3900
04:51:48.520 --> 04:51:51.720
me to wear a suit of armor, yes, an actual suit of armor,

3901
04:51:52.479 --> 04:51:53.319
for a first Blood match on Raw, with the idea being that I

3902
04:51:53.360 --> 04:51:56.799
couldn't believe if I was wearing it. Let me ask you, dear reader,

3903
04:51:56.959 --> 04:51:59.799
have you ever tried to wear a
suit of armor? Great Caesars goes

3904
04:52:00.000 --> 04:52:02.479
It almost impossible to put on because
of well, it's a suit of fucking

3905
04:52:02.599 --> 04:52:04.959
armor. I wriggled and struggled gingerly
to af fixate section of the metal body

3906
04:52:06.000 --> 04:52:08.400
suit to my extremities, trying not
to gouge myself to death. Then once

3907
04:52:08.439 --> 04:52:11.639
I finally got it on, it
was like being in a tin can with

3908
04:52:11.720 --> 04:52:14.880
the top open. There were all
these sharp edges cutting and digging into me.

3909
04:52:14.959 --> 04:52:17.279
At one point I took a big
step to the left and thought the

3910
04:52:17.360 --> 04:52:21.000
cod piece was going to saw my
ball bag clean off. There was no

3911
04:52:21.080 --> 04:52:22.479
way I was going to be able
to work and match in this thing without

3912
04:52:22.520 --> 04:52:27.119
slicing myself upwards the duel the butcher's
forehead. It's a compromise. I came

3913
04:52:27.200 --> 04:52:30.959
up with the idea of wearing full
hockey were, including a helmet and face

3914
04:52:30.040 --> 04:52:33.560
cage. The show was in Dallas, whose team had played Buffalo in the

3915
04:52:33.639 --> 04:52:36.680
Inshelle playoffs that year, so of
course I wore Sabers jersey for cheap heat.

3916
04:52:36.880 --> 04:52:38.279
I walked down the ramp and got
a great nasty reaction from the crowd,

3917
04:52:38.319 --> 04:52:41.319
But just as I got to the
ring, the referee told me to

3918
04:52:41.360 --> 04:52:44.040
go back to the gorilla position.
It turned out that Vince wanted Shermrock to

3919
04:52:44.080 --> 04:52:45.720
go to the ring first. Otherwise, why would he face me if he

3920
04:52:45.759 --> 04:52:48.880
saw me standing there wearing hockey gear. The fact that he was the world's

3921
04:52:48.919 --> 04:52:52.959
most dangerous man was good enough reason
for me. It was a tape show.

3922
04:52:52.000 --> 04:52:53.880
So I went out to the ring
again, but this time the reaction

3923
04:52:53.959 --> 04:52:57.680
to my enemy Jersey was lukewarm at
best. The surprise had been ruined,

3924
04:52:57.959 --> 04:53:02.040
and as I walked out to as
of crickets and tumbleweeds, I couldn't help

3925
04:53:02.040 --> 04:53:03.520
but think that once again I'd been
stricken by fate in a bad way.

3926
04:53:03.799 --> 04:53:07.080
I was dying more deaths in the
WW than Jason Vorhees. It was decided

3927
04:53:07.119 --> 04:53:10.880
that Shamrock and I would have the
blowof match from our angle at the next

3928
04:53:10.919 --> 04:53:14.200
pay per view. Unforgiven, we
were booked on a few live events beforehand

3929
04:53:14.200 --> 04:53:17.599
to work on our chemistry, which
about that pal? What's that you sure

3930
04:53:17.599 --> 04:53:19.400
about that pal? To work in
our chemistry, which was a good thing

3931
04:53:19.439 --> 04:53:22.279
because we had done in San Diego. I backed him up against the ropes,

3932
04:53:22.319 --> 04:53:25.400
bent his head back and unleash a
wicked chop to the center of his

3933
04:53:25.520 --> 04:53:27.080
chest. Ha, I said in
defiance, Ah, I said in English.

3934
04:53:27.319 --> 04:53:30.959
Two seconds later, as Shamrock stuck
my head up my ass, he

3935
04:53:30.040 --> 04:53:33.360
took me down to the mat,
snorting and grunning as he bent me into

3936
04:53:33.400 --> 04:53:37.000
more positions than Jenna Jamison. I
screamed at him, asking why he'd taken

3937
04:53:37.040 --> 04:53:40.080
such a fence to my chop.
I don't like those chops. They're bullshit

3938
04:53:40.119 --> 04:53:42.119
and they don't hurt, and I'm
not going to sell them fair enough,

3939
04:53:42.200 --> 04:53:45.840
okay, but I kindly suggested the
next time I did something he didn't like,

3940
04:53:45.840 --> 04:53:47.880
to simply tell me about it instead
of turning me into a human or

3941
04:53:47.919 --> 04:53:49.680
origami. For the finish, I
was supposed to hit him with a steeled

3942
04:53:49.720 --> 04:53:52.479
chair, but when I went to
bringside to grab one, all I saw

3943
04:53:52.560 --> 04:53:55.520
was the red, comfy padded kind
Needless to say, the viciousness of a

3944
04:53:55.599 --> 04:53:57.360
chair shot is kind of deluded when
the object in question is covered with a

3945
04:53:57.400 --> 04:54:00.799
plush, red feather pillow. I
was expected to clock the world's most dangerous

3946
04:54:00.840 --> 04:54:04.279
man with a weapon that the girl's
next door would use to arouse Hugh Hefner's

3947
04:54:04.319 --> 04:54:07.759
horn, but the soft satin sex
toy was all that was available, so

3948
04:54:07.919 --> 04:54:11.000
I improvised and whacked him over the
head. Shamrock looked at me with the

3949
04:54:11.080 --> 04:54:15.360
disgust as the crowd went mild after
what I got in trouble for lathy Jack

3950
04:54:15.439 --> 04:54:18.520
Lanza for not making sure there was
a proper steel chair at ringside, since

3951
04:54:18.560 --> 04:54:22.080
one was checking the furniture around the
ring my job. I was surprised I

3952
04:54:22.119 --> 04:54:26.240
didn't get in trouble for not checking
the bathroom for extra toilet paper. Two.

3953
04:54:26.759 --> 04:54:29.279
Shamrock ended up pulling out of our
pay per view match on the day

3954
04:54:29.279 --> 04:54:32.240
of the show with a neck injury
and was replaced by XPOC. I had

3955
04:54:32.279 --> 04:54:33.919
some ideas I wanted to try with
Ken that I thought would work with Pac

3956
04:54:34.000 --> 04:54:37.680
as well, but he didn't show
up until about four thirty for the eight

3957
04:54:37.680 --> 04:54:40.319
o'clock show. When he arrived,
I told him I had some ideas for

3958
04:54:40.360 --> 04:54:41.919
the Shamrock match that I wanted to
transfer over to him. It was such

3959
04:54:41.919 --> 04:54:45.560
a stupid concept because POC and Ken
were total opposites in the ring, but

3960
04:54:45.799 --> 04:54:48.599
I was convinced that the match I'd
plotted out was a classic and I wanted

3961
04:54:48.639 --> 04:54:52.919
to stick to it. I was
really wrong. Xbox's signature move was the

3962
04:54:52.959 --> 04:54:55.439
Bronco buster, where the other guy
be lying prone in the corner and he'd

3963
04:54:55.439 --> 04:54:59.520
stick his X cock into his opponent's
face and ride that shit up and down.

3964
04:55:00.520 --> 04:55:03.479
I had to be different, so
I wanted to take a Sean Michael's

3965
04:55:03.520 --> 04:55:06.360
turnbuckle flip upside down under the turnbuckle, an Xpock would give me a reverse

3966
04:55:06.400 --> 04:55:11.959
bronco buster. I figured that Michael's
turnbuckle bump would prove my metal amazing.

3967
04:55:11.439 --> 04:55:15.520
Imitating Sean Michaels in the corner makes
you fucking worth it. Right to this

3968
04:55:15.639 --> 04:55:18.919
day, we talked about the triple
in the trans spots. Right. Yeah,

3969
04:55:18.680 --> 04:55:22.959
everyone's super kicking, everyone's kipping up, everyone's pedigreeing, everybody's duck in

3970
04:55:23.000 --> 04:55:26.880
the clothes line, hitting hangman's noose, neck breaker, everyone's high kneeing.

3971
04:55:27.080 --> 04:55:30.959
Fucking hell, it's disgusting, so
stupid. Of course I can plunge you

3972
04:55:32.080 --> 04:55:36.040
fucking idiots. Of Course I completely
botched it, flipping poorally and not making

3973
04:55:36.080 --> 04:55:37.599
it all the way up into the
corner. When Xpock did the reverse bronco

3974
04:55:37.680 --> 04:55:41.200
buster, it looked terrible. His
crotch and my mouth were in the same

3975
04:55:41.240 --> 04:55:42.759
place, and he didn't have my
legs to support him. The crowd didn't

3976
04:55:42.759 --> 04:55:45.240
react at all to my impromptu blow
job, and they didn't react to the

3977
04:55:45.240 --> 04:55:48.400
horrible d you finish either. Xpock
was a smart worker and the mat should

3978
04:55:48.400 --> 04:55:51.720
have been good, but it wasn't. I just couldn't get it together.

3979
04:55:52.040 --> 04:55:53.240
Later on, I asked XPOC what
he thought about the bout, and he

3980
04:55:53.240 --> 04:55:56.279
said it was what it was translation
that stuck my friend, and we both

3981
04:55:56.360 --> 04:56:00.759
know it that Jericho curse was refusing
to leave the party and was vomiting all

3982
04:56:00.759 --> 04:56:03.200
over the furniture. To boot,
I began to wonder if I'd ever have

3983
04:56:03.279 --> 04:56:07.400
a good match again. So when
you watch, when you watch this shit

3984
04:56:07.520 --> 04:56:12.680
go down here at I'd forgived nineteen
ninety nine, know that Chris Jericho is

3985
04:56:12.759 --> 04:56:18.840
hardly enjoying it. What what I
mean, Jesus Christ, what I seem

3986
04:56:18.880 --> 04:56:22.159
like? What do you think is
that exaggerated or did it feel like that

3987
04:56:22.319 --> 04:56:26.040
much? Like the shits? I
don't think it sucks, No, I

3988
04:56:26.119 --> 04:56:27.799
mean I don't think it was that
bad. I mean I thought it was

3989
04:56:27.880 --> 04:56:33.080
a solid thing. It's just that
the fucking you know, those idiots,

3990
04:56:33.159 --> 04:56:37.759
the fucking click, you know,
they're just they ruin everything. They just

3991
04:56:37.799 --> 04:56:40.959
make it seem so high stakes in
the beginning, like you have to impress

3992
04:56:41.000 --> 04:56:42.759
all of them, and it's like
and they make it so hard like for

3993
04:56:42.840 --> 04:56:48.720
anyone to just have funds exactly or
do their fucking job exactly exactly. They

3994
04:56:48.720 --> 04:56:52.040
make it seem like there's all of
this like that the fans care about these

3995
04:56:52.080 --> 04:56:56.360
little things that they know he gives
a shit. It's like, no,

3996
04:56:56.840 --> 04:57:02.279
you know, it's it's a fucking
fake sport over Like, right, do

3997
04:57:02.400 --> 04:57:03.400
they react to your shit? Because
they'll tell you what. They just don't

3998
04:57:03.400 --> 04:57:07.759
even react to much in that fucking
match. It's strange. I might just

3999
04:57:07.799 --> 04:57:11.200
pretty dead until the very end.
I don't know. It's hard. It's

4000
04:57:11.200 --> 04:57:15.360
hard for me because you know,
I'm not a worker. I don't know

4001
04:57:15.439 --> 04:57:18.000
the difference between how a crowd reacts
when you quote unquote get it right and

4002
04:57:18.040 --> 04:57:21.720
when you don't. I do see
kind of a disjointed, kind of off

4003
04:57:21.840 --> 04:57:26.080
timed match here. It does look
like Jericho is not quite where he needs

4004
04:57:26.119 --> 04:57:30.360
to be as the match unfolds.
Yeah, you know, and that's that.

4005
04:57:32.159 --> 04:57:33.520
That's not a positive. I'm not
saying that that's something that is to

4006
04:57:33.639 --> 04:57:37.919
be ignored, but I do think
it's way over emphasized how much the fans

4007
04:57:38.000 --> 04:57:41.040
notice these things or give a shit. I agree, is the character over

4008
04:57:41.159 --> 04:57:45.080
or not? And then you can
work whatever style you want? And the

4009
04:57:45.159 --> 04:57:47.479
character was over, but then all
of a sudden he started doing all this

4010
04:57:47.560 --> 04:57:48.959
weird shit. Where's guy's a comedy
guy? Okay, fine, he's a

4011
04:57:49.040 --> 04:57:52.400
comedy guy, and all of a
sudden he's on pay per view one on

4012
04:57:52.479 --> 04:57:55.240
one with Xbox and he's supposed to
be a work right guy. It's like

4013
04:57:55.319 --> 04:57:57.599
no, I thought he was like
cowardly hiding behind Howard Finkland, Curtis Hughes

4014
04:57:57.680 --> 04:58:00.319
guy right. I don't know if
that hadn't had as much to do with

4015
04:58:00.360 --> 04:58:04.720
it. And if Russo's on the
way out, that means Jeff Jard's on

4016
04:58:04.759 --> 04:58:08.520
the way out, as we've dis
boy closing out this This portion of our

4017
04:58:08.639 --> 04:58:12.520
unforgetting and net coverage is a quick
peek at China's book, because she's going

4018
04:58:12.560 --> 04:58:15.479
to be odd woman out? Is
she not quite soon? She? She

4019
04:58:15.639 --> 04:58:21.279
absolutely is. Stephanie's gonna win the
heart and the screen Visa v Triple H

4020
04:58:21.439 --> 04:58:23.119
and she's gonna find herself feuding with
Jeff jiartt a series of men, including

4021
04:58:23.439 --> 04:58:26.840
Chris Jericho and a lot of ways. Chris Jericho saved his ass in WW

4022
04:58:27.040 --> 04:58:30.840
by pulling good matches out of China, even though he sort of decried how

4023
04:58:30.919 --> 04:58:33.439
tough it was to work with her
in certain ways because she would be very

4024
04:58:33.560 --> 04:58:37.919
sort of I guess particular about what
she should do with matches and can do

4025
04:58:37.000 --> 04:58:40.319
in matches. I think the way
he put it in the next Pock interview

4026
04:58:40.479 --> 04:58:41.799
was, you know, she was
she thought she was a little bit better

4027
04:58:41.880 --> 04:58:45.479
than she was when it came to
discussing what was gonna happen in the ring

4028
04:58:45.919 --> 04:58:48.880
and things she thought she could do
to great effect. And he had to

4029
04:58:48.959 --> 04:58:51.240
kind of take the reins as a
veteran wrestler and say, no, that's

4030
04:58:51.240 --> 04:58:53.000
not gonna look good, that's not
gonna work right, and that good matches

4031
04:58:53.080 --> 04:58:56.840
they did, and I think,
yeah, you know, I thought this

4032
04:58:56.040 --> 04:59:00.360
was actually much better. I'll tell
you what. You know, for that

4033
04:59:00.959 --> 04:59:04.799
era especially, it did not you
know, she she felt more like a

4034
04:59:04.919 --> 04:59:11.759
contemporary uh, you know, woman
wrestler. She sure did. Then then

4035
04:59:11.639 --> 04:59:14.759
what was going on? The guys
figured out a way to sell for her

4036
04:59:14.840 --> 04:59:18.479
that was credible. Yes, they
only kind of got messed up. I

4037
04:59:18.520 --> 04:59:21.639
think she did that looked like they
would hurt anybody. And Jericho with the

4038
04:59:21.639 --> 04:59:23.759
Survivor series in nineteen ninety nine and
threw on the internan continental title program.

4039
04:59:23.840 --> 04:59:26.799
Did that work and I think that
won him, YEP, a position there

4040
04:59:27.959 --> 04:59:30.599
that was a bit more stable than
the shaky ice. He seemed to be

4041
04:59:30.639 --> 04:59:33.720
on. I mean, the same
thing happened to John Cena. John Cena

4042
04:59:33.799 --> 04:59:36.119
came in, John fucking Sena came
in, and within two months they were

4043
04:59:36.159 --> 04:59:37.680
like, we need to get rid
of this fucking guy. He sucks.

4044
04:59:37.119 --> 04:59:41.080
Yeah, he's imagined. Like can
you can just imagine the lack of like

4045
04:59:41.439 --> 04:59:47.200
discernment that that reflects that you can't
see past whatever bullshit hang up you have

4046
04:59:47.279 --> 04:59:48.680
on a guy and see that you've
got somebody that's going to be your top

4047
04:59:48.720 --> 04:59:52.279
guy for fifteen years or a top
guy fifteen years, just like Jericho and

4048
04:59:52.439 --> 04:59:56.479
and Sena. Look, if he's
not if they're not gonna if they're not

4049
04:59:56.560 --> 05:00:02.439
going to come out in their first
matriage on on TV and fucking blow me

4050
05:00:02.520 --> 05:00:07.319
away, then they're not worth it. It's amazing. I don't see the

4051
05:00:07.360 --> 05:00:11.599
problem in that. If they don't
come out right away and fucking blow me

4052
05:00:11.680 --> 05:00:18.319
away, then they obviously don't have
what it takes to be a professional entertainer.

4053
05:00:18.080 --> 05:00:22.360
So we see China versus Jeff Jarrett
here on the show for the title,

4054
05:00:22.439 --> 05:00:26.799
the Intercontinental title, and China comes
tantalizingly close to winning the straps.

4055
05:00:26.880 --> 05:00:30.439
She does one of our first hints
that the crowd is really behind the idea

4056
05:00:30.439 --> 05:00:33.080
of her winning a men's title,
like they will respond very favorably, but

4057
05:00:33.119 --> 05:00:34.759
they pulled the rug back again.
It's a dusty finish here at Unforgiven.

4058
05:00:36.919 --> 05:00:40.000
We know a good housekeeping match at
No Mercy was Jeff Jarrett's final night in

4059
05:00:40.040 --> 05:00:42.319
the company. China wins the belt
and Jared shows up on Nitro the next

4060
05:00:42.439 --> 05:00:45.919
night or the week after that,
whatever it was. This is where Russo

4061
05:00:45.000 --> 05:00:49.599
came in. So on November the
one November show or October was it?

4062
05:00:49.680 --> 05:00:53.240
I don't fucking remember now, who
gives a shit? So here I agree.

4063
05:00:55.200 --> 05:00:57.439
Here's China talking about working with Jeff
Jarrett at this point in time and

4064
05:00:57.560 --> 05:01:03.319
kind of the ecological backdrop to what
we see happen here in in October,

4065
05:01:03.000 --> 05:01:07.119
some months before our match border around
the the Big Black Tower in Stanford,

4066
05:01:07.200 --> 05:01:10.400
was that Vince McMahon was going through
a major case of buyer's remorse. He

4067
05:01:10.479 --> 05:01:12.200
shelled out mega. They call it
the Big Black Tower like it was fucking

4068
05:01:12.319 --> 05:01:15.840
universal. That's weir, that was, Yeah, she gets a little too

4069
05:01:15.880 --> 05:01:18.840
cute with their words in this book. It kind of pisses me off the

4070
05:01:18.279 --> 05:01:26.639
because that's you know, that's what
they used to call. That's what they

4071
05:01:26.680 --> 05:01:29.840
call universal. There's a there's a
big black tower they call it. And

4072
05:01:30.759 --> 05:01:37.919
I mean it's not like Stanford's blue. Yeah, it's reflex a sky.

4073
05:01:37.080 --> 05:01:41.040
What do you talk, lack if
it's like nighttime? Well, you'd being

4074
05:01:41.080 --> 05:01:45.279
an idiot. Shelled out Megabank to
sign Jarrett to his last contract, and

4075
05:01:45.319 --> 05:01:48.680
over the past year, Jared's popularity
was on the downswing, and this despite

4076
05:01:48.680 --> 05:01:51.599
the fact that the WWF promoted the
hell out of him, changed his name,

4077
05:01:51.680 --> 05:01:53.840
his outfit, and even his hairstyle. Probably the best example of a

4078
05:01:53.919 --> 05:01:59.159
wretched excess was during Jared's Electric Horseman
phase. One night, We're all backstage,

4079
05:01:59.159 --> 05:02:00.799
I think in Buffalo limbring up,
getting ready for a matches. I

4080
05:02:00.840 --> 05:02:03.240
look over at Kane and he's got
his nose in the air, pulls off

4081
05:02:03.279 --> 05:02:07.599
his mask. What the fuck is
that smell? He's frowning. Now we're

4082
05:02:07.599 --> 05:02:10.479
all smelling it. Horseshit. Hunter
snaps, No, I really smell something

4083
05:02:10.520 --> 05:02:11.720
bad, came counters He looks a
little hurt. I smell it too,

4084
05:02:11.799 --> 05:02:15.759
Paul, I insist, horseshit,
it's horse shit. There you see,

4085
05:02:17.279 --> 05:02:19.479
Paul points down the cement corridor.
There is Jeff Jarrett on a real live

4086
05:02:19.599 --> 05:02:23.639
horse and in his cowboy get up
neon lights outlining his physique, making him

4087
05:02:23.639 --> 05:02:27.560
glow like Robert Redford and the Electric
Horseman, which actually look pretty damn cool

4088
05:02:27.599 --> 05:02:30.959
until you realize the horse he was
riding was actually a pony, and this

4089
05:02:30.000 --> 05:02:34.720
one might have been part Shetland because
Jeff's feet touched the ground. Eventually they

4090
05:02:34.759 --> 05:02:38.880
got okay, what's that? Okay, Eventually they get a horse that fit

4091
05:02:40.040 --> 05:02:41.200
him, But the whole thing just
didn't go over. As I've said before,

4092
05:02:41.200 --> 05:02:44.159
if there's one thing you can tell, it's when the crowd isn't with

4093
05:02:44.319 --> 05:02:45.279
something, when they just ain't buying
it. In this case, they were

4094
05:02:45.319 --> 05:02:48.400
saying, oh, nay, fuck
the horse. Put him with China McMahon

4095
05:02:48.520 --> 05:02:52.159
ordered Vince Russeau one morning before Russo
did this customary thing, which was to

4096
05:02:52.240 --> 05:02:57.639
go off and right from his home, China and Jarrett light book a pay

4097
05:02:57.639 --> 05:03:00.720
per view title match and let him
kick the shit out of each other.

4098
05:03:00.840 --> 05:03:03.639
McMahon, I'm told, sort of
laughed to himself and shook his head.

4099
05:03:03.119 --> 05:03:07.200
When he does this, it usually
means he's had his wits end. Last

4100
05:03:07.400 --> 05:03:10.319
straw time, Russo had been chomping
at the bit for a while to get

4101
05:03:10.360 --> 05:03:11.360
me up against a guy in a
title match. I mean, I'd like

4102
05:03:11.439 --> 05:03:15.119
to think we were all heading in
that direction, but he wasn't sure Jarrett

4103
05:03:15.240 --> 05:03:17.599
was the right choice. He's got
a problem with heat right now. Vince

4104
05:03:17.680 --> 05:03:19.080
Russo countered, if we're going to
do this, shouldn't we go with someone

4105
05:03:19.159 --> 05:03:22.000
bigger book him. We're not going
to resign him anyway, it solves a

4106
05:03:22.040 --> 05:03:26.000
ton of problems. And besides,
Vince trailed off. Didn't finish the sentence.

4107
05:03:26.479 --> 05:03:32.799
Ruce, Wow, you know we're
not going to fuck resign It's probab

4108
05:03:32.799 --> 05:03:36.439
what it sounded like. I'm reading
this, I'm realizing. Another thing that

4109
05:03:36.560 --> 05:03:38.360
pissed Vince russou Off was that Steve
Boston would have worked with Jeff Jarrett.

4110
05:03:40.520 --> 05:03:42.479
Right, Remember that paper came out
and stunned him, Remember that? Yeah?

4111
05:03:42.680 --> 05:03:47.119
Was that mercy? Maybe that was
no mercy? Maybe I don't know.

4112
05:03:47.159 --> 05:03:48.880
And the word was that, you
know, because of course Russo and

4113
05:03:48.959 --> 05:03:53.520
Jared are thickest thieves, and Jarrett
has russot to thing for revitalizing his career

4114
05:03:53.560 --> 05:03:57.959
after the aforementioned fucking disastrous returned to
the double Jay gimmick when he came back

4115
05:03:59.000 --> 05:04:03.919
in nineteen ninety eight, ninety ny
eight, did they assack outfit was a

4116
05:04:03.959 --> 05:04:07.279
fucking disaster? Oh god, on
w a stable was a disaster. He

4117
05:04:07.360 --> 05:04:11.560
was going nowhere and all that ship
I know, I knows. Let him

4118
05:04:11.639 --> 05:04:15.360
crack people of women over the head
with guitars and cut his hair short,

4119
05:04:15.720 --> 05:04:30.759
don't piss me all and and change
changes music brown. Yeah sang like that

4120
05:04:30.840 --> 05:04:40.319
definitely starts boun with like Devi with
her hands on her hips, like nodding

4121
05:04:40.400 --> 05:04:44.159
with a smile. Yeah, yep, with like her fucking tits like barely

4122
05:04:44.319 --> 05:04:49.240
being contained by her pink super legs
shiny. Yes, oh god, that's

4123
05:04:49.279 --> 05:04:52.639
so attitude. There are shiny Deborah. Yes, it is shiny Debora legs.

4124
05:04:53.759 --> 05:04:59.680
But it is shiny Debora leg We're
not going to resign him anyway.

4125
05:04:59.759 --> 05:05:02.319
Yes. Russo then did a very
smart thing. He asked for time to

4126
05:05:02.400 --> 05:05:04.360
manufacture a little rivalry between us,
a little build up to work it.

4127
05:05:04.759 --> 05:05:08.000
There were a handful of rumors floating
around as to why Vince ultimately paired me

4128
05:05:08.080 --> 05:05:11.119
up with Jeff. Some people saw
it as a natural Jeff, being six

4129
05:05:11.200 --> 05:05:15.799
feet seven with his build, he
had a great not true, Yeah,

4130
05:05:15.880 --> 05:05:18.680
not quite that guy. He had
a great muscle tone but didn't look like

4131
05:05:18.759 --> 05:05:22.200
a lego toy. The blonde hair
against my black wig, and that would

4132
05:05:22.240 --> 05:05:23.759
look good in the ring square.
Dancing into a clothesline with me was kind

4133
05:05:23.759 --> 05:05:26.720
of sexy. Won't they come down? But in the end, the way

4134
05:05:26.759 --> 05:05:30.599
the whole thing played out, maybe
it wasn't up there with who shot JFK,

4135
05:05:30.759 --> 05:05:33.400
but you just had to think conspiracy. Most of the guys bought the

4136
05:05:33.479 --> 05:05:37.040
magic bullet proposition to for one deal. I was on the way up and

4137
05:05:37.200 --> 05:05:40.959
pairing me with him would help put
Jarrett a big investment over. But looking

4138
05:05:41.040 --> 05:05:44.040
back on it twenty twenty hindsight,
Yeah, yeah, I'd have to go

4139
05:05:44.200 --> 05:05:48.040
with the two gunman theory. Back
when Vince mcmahne, Oh my god,

4140
05:05:48.040 --> 05:05:52.759
bless her heart, bless her soul. But back when Vince McMahon suggested the

4141
05:05:52.840 --> 05:05:57.840
parent to go with exactly, oh
wow, look at you with the references

4142
05:05:57.919 --> 05:06:08.759
and flourishes. Fuck dude, don't
I don't like your China imitation? And

4143
05:06:08.840 --> 05:06:18.720
what I don't like about it is
it's good game on. I'd have to

4144
05:06:18.799 --> 05:06:22.040
go with the two gunman theory.
Back when Vince McMahon suggested the pairing he

4145
05:06:22.080 --> 05:06:26.439
probably had no intention of resigning Jeff
Jarrett. Vince was ready to cut bait

4146
05:06:26.799 --> 05:06:30.599
eat his investment, pairing us China
the Woman Jared the Man was a gamble.

4147
05:06:30.840 --> 05:06:33.639
Vince couldn't lose. Do it on
pay per view. If it goes

4148
05:06:33.680 --> 05:06:36.119
over, everyone loves it. Vince
keeps me up there, pairing me with

4149
05:06:36.159 --> 05:06:37.680
the guys working in a title match
here and there. Sure a rematch with

4150
05:06:37.799 --> 05:06:41.680
Jared is out of the question since
he'll be gone, but nothing was working

4151
05:06:41.720 --> 05:06:45.000
with him anyway. If the whole
lovely Inner gender bite me fest doesn't come

4152
05:06:45.040 --> 05:06:48.159
off, well, Jared's gone and
Vince doesn't have to worry about a rematch.

4153
05:06:48.240 --> 05:06:49.919
Not only that, there we go, Jared, a money pit for

4154
05:06:49.959 --> 05:06:52.319
the wit off so far goes out
as a loser. You think they're gonna

4155
05:06:52.360 --> 05:06:56.000
let him win. He was leaving. Here's where it gets a little far

4156
05:06:56.080 --> 05:06:59.000
fetched, I admit it. But
those late night drives from city to city

4157
05:06:59.080 --> 05:07:00.759
do crazy things to your head.
A lot of time to think, you

4158
05:07:00.840 --> 05:07:03.759
know what I'm saying in a freaky
way. The reel and the imagine smacking

4159
05:07:03.799 --> 05:07:07.840
to each other out on the highway
late at night, and here here at

4160
05:07:07.880 --> 05:07:11.240
this juncture, of my wrestling career. This whole business about competing with the

4161
05:07:11.360 --> 05:07:15.000
man, about what is she talking
about? What the fuck is she saying?

4162
05:07:15.200 --> 05:07:18.959
But convincing the phony and the actual
we're colliding against. Shut up?

4163
05:07:18.720 --> 05:07:22.840
Remember what he said when Hunter and
Sean went to him about me, what's

4164
05:07:22.880 --> 05:07:23.840
she gonna do? Beat up all
the guys. They're not gonna go for

4165
05:07:23.919 --> 05:07:26.919
it. While Vince came around,
got on board and eventually welcomed the China

4166
05:07:27.000 --> 05:07:30.919
character into the fold, he still
knew a little bit about human nature.

4167
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Is there a chance that he might
have got some satisfaction out of knowing Jeff

4168
05:07:33.639 --> 05:07:37.119
Jerrett was leaving the WWF as the
first man to lose to a woman.

4169
05:07:37.200 --> 05:07:40.840
Nah, After all, I didn't
really beat him, right, Vince Russou

4170
05:07:40.880 --> 05:07:44.400
wrote the bits between Jeff and myself
leading up to the big title match,

4171
05:07:44.439 --> 05:07:47.400
stuff where Jeff would run out blindside
me during a match with a toaster,

4172
05:07:48.000 --> 05:07:49.799
then run away, China, You're
gonna run and hide like every other woman

4173
05:07:49.880 --> 05:07:53.479
would do? Now does she mentioned
in the Battle of the Sex has spent

4174
05:07:53.560 --> 05:07:56.959
in two months? The whole year
of Hever China build up became so popular

4175
05:07:56.200 --> 05:08:00.240
that in the day original paperv matressposed
to take place. The w F added

4176
05:08:00.279 --> 05:08:03.439
to milk the whole work for another
month. Okay, So she's saying here

4177
05:08:03.520 --> 05:08:07.159
that unforgiven was supposed to be the
blowof to the feud at first, and

4178
05:08:07.200 --> 05:08:11.319
then the boneheaded way which put them
in that tough contractual position. They delayed

4179
05:08:11.360 --> 05:08:15.799
it for a month. What if
that was Vince Russo? Bro? When

4180
05:08:15.840 --> 05:08:19.919
does your contract expire? Bro?
They had two they had the two of

4181
05:08:21.000 --> 05:08:25.799
us fight, Bro, but Jared
clabbered me with a guitar when the ref

4182
05:08:25.919 --> 05:08:27.840
wasn't looking and beat me. Woila, we have another month of getting into

4183
05:08:27.880 --> 05:08:32.360
each other's faces. What Vince McMahon
didn't count on was Vince Russo, his

4184
05:08:32.439 --> 05:08:38.159
top writer, suddenly bolting to the
Ted Turner funded w CW. So shrees

4185
05:08:38.240 --> 05:08:42.119
Russo, who quote unquote convinced Vince
McMahon to delay our match a month,

4186
05:08:42.240 --> 05:08:45.759
knowing that Jared had plans to sign
with the WCW just as he did.

4187
05:08:47.040 --> 05:08:51.000
So was it she saying in a
question, did Russo tip off Jared about

4188
05:08:51.040 --> 05:08:56.240
Vince McMahon's intention to dump him?
I'll let you be the judge. Oh

4189
05:08:56.360 --> 05:09:00.639
God, shut up. And with
that intrigue and with that backdrop, and

4190
05:09:00.720 --> 05:09:04.759
with that table set, we go
headlong into the archive to take a look

4191
05:09:04.840 --> 05:09:10.279
boss at wwf Unforgiven nineteen and ninety
nine. Do you feel ready? Yes,

4192
05:09:11.000 --> 05:09:15.479
I'm I think there's about as ready
as you can be in this situation.

4193
05:09:15.599 --> 05:09:18.880
Six pack challenge time. It's time
for a co chairman to rise to

4194
05:09:18.959 --> 05:09:22.439
the challenge one more time in the
spirit of TLFX. It's wwf Unforgiven nineteen

4195
05:09:22.520 --> 05:09:26.479
ninety nine. It's back to the
attitude on the other side of this Pride

4196
05:09:26.639 --> 05:09:34.360
nine. Hold on, we got
a death toll eight eight dead in an

4197
05:09:34.840 --> 05:09:37.119
nine show, which I think is
good. I thought it was way more

4198
05:09:37.159 --> 05:09:42.279
honestly, Yeah, now unless I
missed some, but I got Howard Finkel,

4199
05:09:45.080 --> 05:09:55.040
Timmy White, China, Sure May
Young Mula, Lunar boss Man,

4200
05:09:56.959 --> 05:10:00.479
and the British Bulldog had no undertaker
Warner Taker. No, he's gone.

4201
05:10:00.759 --> 05:10:04.119
Is that everybody? He's gone?
Just walked walked out, walked out and

4202
05:10:04.599 --> 05:10:08.279
you know, didn't really explain why, and then came back as a biker.

4203
05:10:10.240 --> 05:10:12.759
Yeah, he left to heal a
groin injury, right, Yeah,

4204
05:10:14.159 --> 05:10:18.360
but that's not how I actually I
went back and watched the SmackDown and just

4205
05:10:18.479 --> 05:10:21.279
like fuck, the basically just walks
out because Vince has to get him in

4206
05:10:21.279 --> 05:10:25.080
a qualifying match for the six Pack
Challenges, right, No, and he

4207
05:10:25.159 --> 05:10:27.080
walks out and then he just kind
of goes away and it's like, okay,

4208
05:10:27.200 --> 05:10:33.119
bye bye. So for that decision, he does not join the vaunted

4209
05:10:33.200 --> 05:10:37.200
Out FORGID nineteen ninety nine death Toll, but he does not here TLF certainly

4210
05:10:37.240 --> 05:10:40.319
pour one out for the ones who
did, and we'll sample their work and

4211
05:10:40.360 --> 05:10:44.000
the work of so many others as
we head headlong into the Attitude era.

4212
05:10:44.520 --> 05:10:48.240
On the other side of the S
break, it's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast.