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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network and this is six Degrees of John

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Keel. Hello and welcome to the
six Degrees of John Keele podcast. I'm

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your host, Barbara Fisher, and
I'm very happy to introduce someone tonight.

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She's here visiting and we're having a
great time. In fact, we almost

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forgot to hit the record button because
we were having so much fun talking before.

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This is Cheryl Costa. She's an
author, she's a witch, she's

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a researcher, and she's a teacher
and so welcome. I'm very happy to

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finally get to talk to you.
Thank you. Why don't you just go

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ahead and jump in with you know, expand upon you a little bit on

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your biography because I didn't want to
do the deep explications because it's too many

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things and i'd forget because you're like
accomplished in things. Let's do with what

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I'm doing right now, Okay,
I want to It would be no doubt

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from where I'm coming from when I
talk consciousness, metaphysical consciousness, reaching out

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to ets, that dip of thing, mystical woul as some people call it.

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I'm a witch, card carry pointed
hat wearing broom totin wave wand waving.

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Okay, I am a priestess of
the Goddess is Set, which you

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might know her as Isis. I
am priestess of hers. I am dedicated

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to excuse me, I'm still getting
over the cold. I was afraid I

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was going to cough on you.
I'm dedicated to service, sacrifice, compassion,

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and love onto all things. That's
what we are about. And there's

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a lot of us. I've got
had seven advanced students over the past year.

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I never asked them who they who
they venerate. I just knew they

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were all pagans. Right when we
decided to start teaching a super large class

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fifty people of witchcraft one on one
for a year. In a day,

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I asked everybody what they're I was
making badges. I was going to put

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our icons on of our goddess traditions, you know, And I figured i'd

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have a a couple and fans and
things like that. Of the seven of

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us, six of us were all
Egyptian pantheons. That is not an exodus.

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That's amazing and statistically significant. I
was saying, we thought so,

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you know, and we're finding a
bit of that in our class as well.

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So it's I've been doing the thing
with Let's see a couple of years

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ago, when there's an upstate New
York just before we went into COVID lockdown,

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I figured out I had been doing
some work using marketing data, both

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Facebook marketing data and Amazon marketing data, and I determined there was upwards of

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eighty seven hundred two nine thousand Pagans
in the Onondaga County, upstate New York

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area, which is where I lived, And so I decided, since nobody

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else was doing well, there was
somebody else who did it, but she

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moved on. A lady by the
name of Mary Hudson was the first chaplain

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at Syracuse University Pagan chaplain, and
because that was a Methodist school, there

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was a lot of who ha about
it, and the old guard accepted it

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with gritted teeth. When she retired, I applied for the position. I

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was informally interviewed at a Christmas party. I was formally interviewed and then formally

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interviewed by the director. He said, what can you do for us?

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I wrote down on a piece of
paper what I could do for them.

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He said, let me talk to
the stakeholders Ultimately he came back and he

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says, we're not going to backfill
the position this is. This is traditionally

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a Methodist school, and we're not
going to be incouraged j pagan paths.

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So I just stopped dealing with them. So I went and went to I

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went to the Onadaga County Ministerial Association. And when I showed up, I

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was wearing a black clergy shirt like
everybody else, except I had a green

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collar, bright iridescent green. And
so one of the first questions they asked

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me, out of pure ignorance,
a couple of these ministers, do you

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people have a God? And my
answer was, of course we do.

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We got gods and Goddess is by
the bushel. And they just sat there,

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their eyes just kept getting bigger and
bigger, and I explained to them,

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like the Egyptians had like fifteen hundred
and three, but principally about one

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hundred but main main gods, but
they had about fifteen hundred. They had

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a god for everything and sometimes backups
for those. You know, the Greeks

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had I'm twisting papers, I'm use
reviewing my notes. The Greeks had twelve

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principal gods and goddesses with a pantheon
of over thirty one hundred what they call

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attribute gods and goddesses in Christian tradition, we might call them saints, or

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rather they got the idea of saints
from deities from our pantheons. But you

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know, we don't want to split
a hair there. Even the god,

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one god view with Allah, is
seen to have ninety nine attributes. A

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lot of people don't know that.
Hinduism they have their huge pantheon, they

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have thirty three million deities, and
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And the way I explained it,
in a way it was explained to

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me, is think of Brahma as
the core of the tree, the trunk

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of the tree, and all those
other pantheons that gods and goddesses, and

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some of the ones that we know
of are those branches and family branches on

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those trees, the families of those
gods. Okay, And that doesn't count

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the other ninety or one hundred native
traditions around the world, indigenous tribes that

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have their own pantheons. So from
my viewpoint, we got plenty of gods

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for everybody. You know, every
face you want, and then to make

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myself popular, they say, well, we have one god. Oh yeah,

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you got Yallo day okay, all
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No I'm not, I said.
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have in the world, you know, like the fall of matriarchy among other

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things, all the hate, all
the persecutions, the burning times for the

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witches in Europe, we can blame
on Yelva as a god. He's kind

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of a minor demigod actually in the
scale of things. He's got an ego

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to size of our solar system.
So I really made some points with them

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by saying that, I said,
but, but, but, but he

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took the Jews out of Egypt,
And I said, yes, in Egypt,

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I told you they had thirteen hundred
gods, and the Jews had their

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own temple, and they had Yalve
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Now, when they got exited and
Moses came down off the mountain with

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some rocks with some words carved in
them, suddenly there were no not going

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to be any other gods other than
Yalve. So all the pagan shrines went

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away, all the goddess statues went
away, and the Jewish women were suddenly

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left with only a male face of
deity to recognize and to be ve and

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to venerate. It just didn't resonate. So it serves memory correctly. Memory

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correctly if we think in terms of
the first laws against sorceresses was from the

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Hebrew Hebrew Bible and was Exodus.
I'm going to drop it again there and

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twenty two seventeen do not suffer a
sorceress to live? Well, why would

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that suddenly happen in the Exodus years
when the Jews are wandering around in the

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Middle East trying to look for a
home. Well, think about it a

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minute. If there, if their
principal god has said, we'll have no

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other gods before us, and all
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their Egyptian gods goddesses at least okay, so they had somebody to venerate that

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recognized them as human beings and not
as chattel that was against josh law.

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And even moving out of that era
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BC, as they come into the
Common era, they even signed punishments of

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torture and execution for sorceress sorceresses so
the fall of women was by design,

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and a lot of things just haven't
been right. And I call it like

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I see it. And I didn't
make a lot of friends initially with it.

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Excuse me with the pagan with the
Masterial Society initially, But then they

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started realizing as we got into COVID, I was rolling with it, and

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they said, how are you rolling
with it better than us? I said,

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we have a completely different view than
you do. Now. You guys

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are all sweat and all everybody dying
and everything, But aren't you waiting to

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go to heaven or something? I
said, well, you guys do it.

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We're programmed into rebirth. We know
we're just going to die now.

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We're just kind of come back in
another chicken soup, that's all they Oh

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boy, I got their attention on
zoom call. They were wing those twenty

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twenty zoom calls. So I've been
We had a temple going for a time,

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but twenty COVID messed it up.
This is back in Syracuse, New

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York, and I've lived here in
Ohio now since the sixteenth of December twenty

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twenty one. And we sat here
and celebrated Yule on a card table and

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two folding chairs we bought with us
and brought with us in the car,

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and as the movers had brought everything
in our apartment looked like a container ship

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because we packed a lot of our
stuff in banker's boxes. So instead of

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a lot of big boxes, we
had a lot of little boxes, and

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they were stacked too deep from every
wall in the place. I used to

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produce a television program. I used
to to be an industrial filmmaker, and

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as an industrial filmmaker, I did
this for IBM for six six years.

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We made industrial films, maybe like
seventy of them, okay, And I

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was a writer director, and I
was very good at it. Not everybody

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that's in is a filmmaker. Professional
filmmaker is in Hollywood. That's the thing

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you need to get through your head. Everybody has the idea. It's a

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very tiny small percentage of the profession. Okay. There are many more industrial

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filmmakers and you can shake a sticket
as compared to the folks in Hollywood.

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So I decided in nineteen ninety one
I become I had become wickan in nineteen

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seventy five when I was in the
Navy. So I had this crazy idea.

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I had become wickaning on Imbul officially
on in Bulk nineteen seventy seven,

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and I had been more or less
garden Aerium, because that's pretty much what

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the material was in those days.
By the early eighties, I had been

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plugged into goddess worship, got into
got It that flavor, the star Hawks,

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that type of thing. I actually
used to know star Hawk up rather

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well. I used to know Margot
Adler really well Starhawk. Last time I

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talked to her about a year or
so ago, she was trying to remember

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me. Were we arrested together?
No, Oh, that narrowed it down

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a little bit, you know.
So, So the bottom line was,

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I decided I knew craft to be
a beautiful thing, and I decided to

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produce a cable television program for it. And I went to a bunch of

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cable stations and pitched them, and
they laughed me out of the office,

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all this sort of thing. Okay, And finally this one station said we'll

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take a chance on you. We'll
get We'll let you do six episodes,

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and six easily half hour episodes.
And I said, okay, I'll do

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it. I'll produce him in the
studio. Well, put him in a

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can. You'll have him for the
submbit replacement you're talking about. Okay,

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Fine, So I went ahead and
recorded about the first three of them.

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Somebody got a whiff of something and
I got a lady camp. At the

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time, I didn't have a telephone. I was living in Laurel, Maryland.

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I had just moved there, hadn't
had time for Bell to put a

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phone in for me. And this
is ninety one, okay, And somebody

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came. A lady came to the
door and said, you don't know me,

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but I went to high school with
Jack show him so he's a executive

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producer done in Arlington thirty three And
I said yeah, And he says he

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needs you to call him. Something
thing's happened. I thought to myself,

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my god, maybe the place burnt
down or something, you know. So

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I walked down to at the convenience
store and have my MCI card out,

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called him. I says, what's
going on? And he says, a

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three hundred word story went out on
the Associated Press this morning about your show.

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We haven't said anything, have you. I said, no, I

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haven't said any press releases that I
wanted to wait till the six six were

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in the can. Well, somebody
leaked it and this three hundred word story

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went out on the web or out
on the wire. I said, okay,

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So, being a PR person,
I said, did we get any

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press inc He is, no,
Sheryl, but CBS and ABC News is

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sitting in the lobby and they want
to talk to your witches. Oh so

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where we lived. With straight driving
time and no serious traffic, we could

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have been down here in thirty five
minutes. Okay, but this is Washington,

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d C. In nineteen that would
have been a three hour drive if

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there was no accidents on the road. So the CBS affiliate said, could

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we meet you tomorrow? And I
told him where roughly where I work,

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and I said, can we meet
in that park about two blacks down.

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I said sure, let's do that, and we agreed. Out of time.

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The ABC affiliate Channel seven said,
look, you're over on the other

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side of the Beltway. This time
of day. Route fifty that cuts right

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across d C is literally empty.
We could drive across that and meet you

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over at the new Carrollton metro station. It's a subway. I know exactly

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where you're talking. I used to
live in Jessup. So yeah, yeah,

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okay, so I know, I
know, yeah, I know which

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road you're even talking about. So
the host of the program and I were

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sharing household to save resources. She
had two little girls. We each grabbed

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a baby and ran through the shower. Okay, one was like two,

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the other one was like about eight
months old, you know. So we

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ran through the shower, put a
little makeup on through everybody in the kid's

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seats in the yugo, and took
off right met them down there at sundown,

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and they had all their lights up
in the parking lot and the snorkel

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up there being microwave signaling back to
the station, and they interviewed Kestrel,

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the host of the show. She
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Because the witchcraft community got wind I
was going to produce this and they

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didn't want a transsexual precis representing witchcraft
in DC nineteen ninety one, I know,

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So then they interviewed me. The
piece aired at eleven twenty five,

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and the next morning I didn't need
to see it at the time, okay,

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because I didn't have a TV hook
up. I got it. I

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got into work the next morning at
IBM, and my boss is sitting on

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my desk. I said, Hi, What's what's up? He says,

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eleven twenty five Channel Last night,
Channel seven ran a piece on witchcraft and

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a television program you're producing. This
is yeah is. I got a phone

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call from the general manager at eleven
forty five saying, what the hell's going

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on? Okay, he's concerned you're
going to look badly about the company and

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make us look bad because you're teaching
witchcraft or you're doing Watchcraft on television.

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I said, are you planning to
buy advertisements on my station or on my

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or on my television program? No
that, I'm not going to talk about

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you, okay, I only talk
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I'm a commercial producer. Oh okay. But what they couldn't get away

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was that three hundred word story hit
the Wingers, and suddenly the TV station,

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this little TV station in Arlington,
Virginia, forty nine nine thousand households,

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barely fifty thousand households started getting seven
to twelve phone calls a day asking

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to talk to me or to Castrol. Fine, so really fourced the issues

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of the phone company, get me
my phone. Okay, this went on

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twelve to fifteen calls from a news
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All right, So Larry King had
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Okay, understand I had not done
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a couple of years before. Suddenly, people like my parents one didn't know

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it was a which Oh boy,
okay, we're getting calls they had or

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from people they haven't talked to ten
and fifteen years saying hey, we saw

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your son dressed the address on Larry
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Oh that's the way to come out
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that was the beginning of it.
Then Entertainment Tonight showed up. They did

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a huge piece on us, and
then producers from Hollywood because we were making

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the argument it's always been an ugly
face of witchcraft. It's always been the

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medieval church telling us what we're supposed
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We are going to show you what
we really do, and that's what

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we did on our program. It
was like a little talk show, except

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the priests sat in front of a
coffee table. We had a god assault

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her there, it's candles going,
someth sense going, and she'd sit on

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a pillow, very hippie style,
and whoever her guests were, we're sitting

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on pillows across from her. It's
very intimate. The second season we went

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to a couple wing back chairs in
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season was very hippie. And so
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teaching classes that I'm part of a
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town. I'm the chaplain for their
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they said, aren't you scared to
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honey. I came out on the
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of the Washington Post on June eighteenth, nineteen ninety one. Baby first sentence

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says, Cheryl Consta is a witch
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for a fortune five hundred company.
That's how you come out of the closet.

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Yep, you just jump right out. And then we're on Larry King.

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We're on Entertainment Tonight. Entertainment Tonight. Producers they asked me on the

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show, well, we're going to
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doesn't paint all these ugly images.
What would it look like, I said,

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ideally, kind of a cross between
at the time thirty something with a

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big deal program. M h.
I said, kind of a cross between

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thirty something and Bewitch, except for
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more drama. Next thing you know, we got people talk coming from Hollywood

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to talk to us, and shortly
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witch of good repute in her entourage, and the people who produced Charmed talk

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to us and talked to a couple
of other prominent witches, and charm came

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out very very middle class, very
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we've got a whole new generation of
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old what do we want to call
it? The old he on the Witch.

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Yeah, so that's come down to
that. So bottom line, I'm

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trying to get to a page because
I need this page to remember what I'm

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going to say. I'm old and
I've been I'm loaded with ni quill if

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that says anything too, So I'm
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The bottom line on things. When
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usually wearing a black black dress.
I'll wear a traditional clergy cowl, you

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know, usually white. I wear
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people say to me about this with
me got the right one. Oh,

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people say, how come you wear
you get that black dress on and you

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wear rainbow stockings. I said,
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I work for the goddess of a
set and the goddess Newt who is

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the sky goddess from ancient Egypt,
and historically sky goddess is war rainbow colors,

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including the Buddhistikinis, and that usually
shuts them up because most of them

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don't know that level of history that
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I've told you a lot of cool
stuff. Ask me any question you want,

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short of what I did in the
navy, which I can't tell you

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and my ATMPN. Otherwise I'm an
open book. All right, Well,

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you've written a book about witchcraft,
and your theory of magic I think is

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very important, especially today because we
are living in a world that is kind

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of gone off the rails and is
going a little bit a lot badly,

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and you're your theory of magic,
which is basically, we can change reality,

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do it every day at will.
Well, that just tells me that

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we need to do that more often. You know. We need to recognize

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this ability and use it for good, because we have people using a lot

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of other abilities for the forces of
not so good to downright evil. Okay,

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let's go there for a minute.
I get the question I'll asking me

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all the time. In fact,
Larry King asked me this in June sixth,

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nineteen ninety What he says, do
you guys do dark evil spells put

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mammys on people? And I said, no, it's too much work,

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you know, and they're not worth
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Per Okay, that's my view on
it. Okay, but I come

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from the school that says send out
good things. So and then as I

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got in, I got in nineteen
ninety seven, I got picked out of

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a crowd of one hundred and fifty
people thirty eight years. At that point,

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I had been a wikipriesist for twenty
five years. And this Budhislama we

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went to hear talk at a temple, walked up to me, shook hands

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with me. He wouldn't let go
of my hand, got up into my

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face and said, I know you, and Holy Holiness, I have not

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mentioned I have not known you in
this lifetime. He says, of course,

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not two, three, four times
past four hundred years. And he

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looks at the gal next to me
with a pal of mine. I know

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you too. And he looks back
at his aid and he says, these

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two they hang out together lifetime,
at their lifetime, Let's just see you

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again. He toddles off and his
aliens into us as he plays it close

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to us chest. I've never only
seen him do that one other time.

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Would go talk to him. So
I did, and he asked me.

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He said, so, what were
you raised? I said, well,

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I was raised Roman Catholic. Oh
still a Roman Catholic? No, no,

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no, no, I've been running
with the wicked Shamans for the last

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twenty five years. Oh, still
doing the Yoghini stuff. Huh, I

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said, I was a Yoghany.
He says yeah. Many times, he

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says, are you're good at the
magic? I said, yeah, I'm

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really good at it. He said, you think you learned it all in

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one lifetime. This started another thread
in my life of running with the Buddhists

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discovering who I was. Now the
general run of the mill Buddhist had no

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use for magic, especially the Americans. Remember they were all raised Catholics,

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Presbyterians, Baptist, Jews. You
know, they were all programmed the same

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way as everybody else, and they
had all these bad ideas. I was

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the wicked old witch in the monastery
when I became a Buddhist un first seven

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years. Okay, the Llama didn't
treat me that way, and neither did

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other Lamas who came to town.
Okay, they would look at me and

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call me by my monk name.
From the early nineteenth century. They recognized

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me who I was, even being
this weird looking transit trans woman, right,

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and it has. In fact,
one of them asked me about my

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transition. He says, you always
were pretty radical for the way you taught

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people things, weren't you. You
know? Yeah, baby. So the

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deal is in Buddhist tradition, Buddha
teachers be kind. You hear the Dalai

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Lama say it all the time.
Dalai Lama's in the what we call the

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reform tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, there
are four great traditions. There's Tibetan Orthodox

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in the conservative event that's when I'm
in, and then there's the Dalai Lament

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at the other end, which is
very very liberal, very reformed, okay.

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And there's two traditions sort of in
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each, okay. And the tradition
I was in, the Orthodox tradition has

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not only ordinary Buddhist monks and nuns, but they also recognize when Petlun Simbaba

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came from India twelve hundred years ago, first people he taught Buddhist Dharma technology

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to it's lesser religion more of a
technology, and taught taught it to were

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the Shamans of Tibet. They saw
the reason of it and the logic of

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it, and they embraced it.
So Tibetan Orthodox Buddhism has always had two

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lineages. What we call the Red
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with the buzz cuts and the burgundy
robes and the yellow, burgundy and yellow

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robes. They also have the knock
phone. And I'm going to pronounce this

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for you n G A K knack
poone p h O n E. There's

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a knack ma pas men, knock
mos, knock ma's women. Okay,

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easy English translations, Just say the
word knock ma or knock pa. Okay,

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all right. They were the tantric
and shamanic practitioners. They grow long

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hair, they practice magic. So
if you were to go to the Dalai

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Lama and say, their holiness,
there's been no rain in my province for

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four months. We're going to lose
our crops. Can you make it rain?

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He would look at them politely and
say, please go talk to uh

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uh Kempo's dean or headmaster or highness. Okay, his holiness, the so

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and so who's the head of the
Tibetan orthodox tradition, and he'll give you

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a long hair to do it.
Because the knock pone do the magical work,

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do serious magical work. And they
as I embraced them, they embraced

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me and recognized me for what I
was capable of and what I knew.

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I've learned things from them. They've
learned things from me. Okay, now

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is it the things they learned from
me spread widely? No, But the

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ones who have interfaced with me have
learned a different insights, a different set

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of insights. Okay, not that
I'm completely brilliant, but magic is simpler

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to people make it out to be. It's not about lighting candles, dressing

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candles, pouring oils on candles,
burning tons of incense, and god forbid,

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collecting crystals. Okay. Magic is
about quieting your mind and learning to

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visualize. Now, for me,
that was easy because I went to film

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school and I learned how to quiet
my mind and thinking pictures. I tell

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stories in pictures. In fact,
when I'm an, I'm a published not

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besides being a UFO columnist newspaper columnist, I'm also a published playwright, and

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I'm a published a mystery writer,
and I just got a contract to write

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a ghost story and currently I'm writing
a spy series. I wrote a Star

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Trek novel about six months ago.
It's currently an editing for Simon and Schuster.

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So I write a lot of cool
stuff. You know, Am I

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rolling in money? No? But
I make enough to make it make it

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a tax burden me see it?
You know, it's just enough to be

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a pain and a but a tax
time. Right. So one of the

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things I learned in film school was
the thinking pictures. Musicians, if are

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musicians in your audience. They know
about hearing music in their head. Okay,

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so this is about thinking in pictures. This is visualizing that thing you

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want. Now, one of the
simplest forms of magic I ever learned in

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this lifetime. I knew old lady
I'm very accomplished, which very retired now,

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wanted this particular style Harley. It
was a It was a road king.

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She wanted soft tail, and she
wanted this one of those. So

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she was cutting out every picture of
that particular style Harley, and she was

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pasting them every place she looked at. She had them on the kitchen cabinets,

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she had him on the microwave,
she had him on the door across

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from the toilet in the bathroom.
So any place where she was somewhat stopped

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and relaxed, there was the road
king and focused on it. Now,

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some people would say, oh,
well, make a spell and make the

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money for the fifteen or eighteen,
twenty thousand dollars it costs, you know,

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No, she visualized that she wanted
one to come to her about a

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year later. Remember, magic is
not like a pizza. Order it and

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get it in twenty minutes of your
money back Okay, magic is not.

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It's got its own time and season. Okay. Yeah, So about a

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year later, some guy died and
willed it to her his a mint condition.

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Okay, it came to her.
Mm hmm. You've never heard of

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me, but I have produced seventy
industrial films which you'll never see. I

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produced over seventy episodes of that Witchcraft
television program. There might be three or

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four copies up on the internet that
survived. Videotape doesn't survive well, and

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there's about three or four episodes up
there for Kestrel and Company K Kestrel,

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K E S Y t r L. Not with the E. Okay,

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Kestrel and Company. And there might
be three or four, maybe five episodes

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or partial episodes. So okay,
what was able to be recovered back in

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twenty fourteen by some archivist. We
had all seventy episode We had all seventy

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episodes, but there was no funding
back in the day to put it in

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a controlled archive where it would have
been somewhat protected. I produced the show

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very much like this one on k
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not in the middle of the night
like most of these things are.

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I did it at midday, two
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the afternoon, and it's called Cosmic
Connections, and we talked nothing about witchcraft.

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Those are around and CACR may have
them on their buried in their archive,

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but they're they're available. I had
another talk radio. I've had two

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other witchcraft talk radio programs. I
had one in London, England at the

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end of it started in the beginning
of twenty twenty two. It went about

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six months, and then the producers
and I had a kind of a tiff

407
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,320
about it because I had guests and
they wanted less guests and wanted more me

408
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:45,840
talking about mechanics of the craft.
And the problem was was I worked best

409
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,400
when I'm talking with other people,
right, you know, And they wanted

410
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,239
to take the other person out of
the formula, and it just didn't work

411
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,239
for me, and I just I
just used the clause of our contract and

412
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,320
get out of it. But what
was cool was a friend of mine who

413
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,840
went to high school with hadn't heard
from him in twenty years. He was

414
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,119
an attorney, corporate attorney. He
called me up. He says, hey,

415
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,119
Ryl, He says, are you
living in London. Now, no,

416
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:16,119
no, I'm not why. He
says, I saw your face on

417
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:22,280
a poster at women a big banner
Wimbledon. I saw your face on a

418
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,199
couple of big billboards out on one
of the highways. You're doing a talk

419
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,199
show over there, I said,
well, I do it from my living

420
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,719
room in Ohio over fiber. But
yeah, I do one over in England.

421
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,079
Yeah you know, he says,
Hey, you gotta love the Internet.

422
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:38,440
You know, you can fly a
thing from halfway around the world.

423
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:45,440
So I've done all these things.
I've published fifty three books on UFOs,

424
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,880
and I'm a statistic expert. I
don't tell stories, but I wrote a

425
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:53,599
seven year newspaper column, weekly newspaper
column about nothing but UFOs from twenty thirteen

426
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:59,440
to twenty nineteen, seven years almost
exactly. Now. People say to me

427
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,280
all the time and me say,
oh, Cheryl writing a newspaper. That

428
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,480
must be fun. I said,
yeah, it's fun, but it's an

429
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,639
eight hundred word term paper every Thursday. Yeah yeah, think about that a

430
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:12,400
minute. Okay, uh, and
you can get dry real quick. Now

431
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:16,840
there current one that I'm writing.
I currently write Roswell Roswell Daily Record.

432
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,039
They were the people reported the Roswell
crash. They hired me a couple of

433
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:28,119
months ago, and I'm seven articles
ahead with them, so I don't have

434
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,679
to worry about coming crashing up on
Tuesday afternoon wondering what what I'm going to

435
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:37,280
give them on Wednesday. Okay,
I'm a better writer than I was then.

436
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:45,559
I'm but I write that I write
ahead. I tend to write about

437
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:50,320
five articles. I've got a big
poster right here next to my desk on

438
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000
those big pads you know you buy
that people scribble on. Looks like a

439
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,480
big post it note type of thing. And I've got a year's worth of

440
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:04,320
article one line they what they're about
written, and I'm just picking them off

441
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,480
one. I'm just putting a marker
through everyone as I write them. I'll

442
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,000
write about five at a time and
send them till I try to cape up

443
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,760
out a month ahead. They say
the things from going great guns. So

444
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,280
I'm very happy with that. Like
I said, you probably I've got twelve

445
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:23,400
published plays that have been produced internationally. You've never heard of me. Okay,

446
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:29,039
okay, so this is the thing
people say, Well in magic,

447
00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:30,559
you know, if you're so good
with magic, why aren't you rich and

448
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:36,000
famous. No, I'm really poor
and infamous. But the bottom line is

449
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,960
I've done a lot and magic has
fueled a great deal. One, you

450
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:45,559
have to learn to quiet your mind. You have to learn to put the

451
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:50,480
phone on airplane mode and not let
it buzz for a certain period of time

452
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,800
every day. You have to learn
to meditate a little bit. Not a

453
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,679
guided meditation, no guided meditation music. You have to just learn to sit

454
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,320
on a little stool or go sit
on the toilet and be quiet with your

455
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,039
thoughts for three to five minutes.
People say, well, that can't be

456
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,039
that hard. Monks to it,
and I said, yeah, but they

457
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:14,119
learned when they were seven. Americans
have been taught. You can't walk into

458
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:19,360
a restaurant anymore and not have twelve
big screens blaring something at you. Right

459
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,039
now, I can't even go into
a restaurant because all the screens are blaring

460
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,199
the war in Israel with Hamas and
back and forth and everything. And I'm

461
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,559
a combat veteran, and that boice
puts me in every time I end up

462
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:31,880
in a deal, like I got
into a rested and they got something like

463
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,960
that, going a diner or something, I'm a mess afterwards. Yeah,

464
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,599
Okay the v I talked with the
VA shrinks about twice a month. Okay,

465
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,400
I'm being treated for a fifty year
old case of PTSD. You know

466
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,079
what did I do in the service
I serve in Vietnam? On the ground,

467
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,400
I climbed telephone holes. People shoot
at you on those things. Well,

468
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,480
yeah, because you're kind of like
visible up against the sky, and

469
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:58,639
we had enough near the trees.
We had a base commander who was an

470
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,320
idiot, so at this basis safe
as a state side base, we want

471
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,960
everybody to follow state side protocols,
which meant I had to wear a yellow

472
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:13,599
safety jacket up on the pole.
No, no, sir, no,

473
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:20,119
no, no, no, you
have it. I still have nightmares about

474
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:25,320
that. Sometimes, not often,
every once in a while. I got

475
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,000
got We got the whole shot off
our bucket truck. I was up there

476
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,599
working on a cable and around came
out of nowhere, broke the hydraulic cable

477
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:37,119
and what was the faster the fast
rip of the ground with oil sprunting everywhere.

478
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:43,320
Okay, that was two years.
That was two years in the Air

479
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,880
Force in Vietnam. Later, I
served in the Navy as an electronics specialists

480
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:53,400
of a specific sort. I gathered
electronic intelligence DC to freaking light. I

481
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,480
can't tell you how, I can't
tell you with what, and I can't

482
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,079
tell you how we did how we
did our job. But as manual in

483
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:07,480
those days, we were the computers. Those days, after about nineteen eighty

484
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:12,599
two, computers were doing it right, okay, But in those days we

485
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:17,119
were the computers. Okay, yeah, but give you give you a cool

486
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:21,480
thing, like I can I have
the back porch door here open. There's

487
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:23,400
a bird out there screeching a certain
way. If he's got a certain pattern,

488
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:30,199
I can identify the kind of radar
he represents. Oh wow, about

489
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:39,199
twenty five military radars. So Navy
we observe and report. So that says

490
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:46,559
intelligence work. So I can't tell
you what I did, right, Yeah,

491
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:52,400
But okay, So that's that's my
military background. But in the Air

492
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,039
Force. I had left the Catholic
Church because I at seventeen, I was

493
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,119
that kid everybody thought was going to
do the wing to be a priest.

494
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:05,559
When I went to Catholic school,
I went to Mass every morning. Look

495
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:13,000
how you ended up. It's similar, not as it's uncool, No,

496
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,239
no, it's uncool, But you
know you did you just went on a

497
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,760
different path. It's just a different
you know. It's fun. A very

498
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,559
dear friend of mine, we were
first communion partners. She just celebrated thirty

499
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:31,159
years as a Catholic nun, and
she is one of my most avid fans.

500
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,760
Okay, and last about two years
ago, she gave me a great

501
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,239
big painting of all these witches flying
around the rooms and dancing around a fire

502
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,960
and everything. It's called girls Night
Out. I said, why did you

503
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,559
give me this, your Catholic none
for goodness sake. I went off and

504
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,760
I got my master's degree. And
when I was getting my master's degree,

505
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,840
before I went to work on a
PhD, I took women's studies courses and

506
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,960
my eyes were opened something we never
knew before. I never knew before.

507
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:10,880
And she knows the things I know
about the burning times and the matriarchy coming

508
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,920
apart at the seams. So that's
kind of what I do. I do

509
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,800
a lot of things, those that
tell me if you told somebody back another

510
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:30,800
witch. Back in nineteen ninety one, when all the movies about witchcraft were

511
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:37,280
Jim Henson's The Witch is Very Ugly
Looking Yea or Rosemary's Baby Only a few

512
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:43,239
years before. Yeah, that was
the picture that was the image of witches

513
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,239
at the time. And I said, I'm going to change it. I'm

514
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,800
nobody, but I'm going to change
it. And I played good practical skills.

515
00:44:53,239 --> 00:45:00,199
I was a qualified filmmaker and a
qualified television producer. So I said,

516
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:07,800
I will use the tools I know
to paint a better picture of witchcraft.

517
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:13,800
And I launched that. Those from
six episodes. Suddenly, after being

518
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,159
Larry King, the president of the
cable station, sets me down over a

519
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:20,880
cup of coffee, puts the two
pieces of paper in front of me and

520
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,840
said sign And I says, what's
this is my confession or something you know?

521
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,440
And she says, no, it's
two thirteen week contracts. She just

522
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:35,559
keep doing what you're doing. This
is we're getting more press and visibility in

523
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:40,960
the past three months than most stationed
the cable stations get in twenty years.

524
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:50,480
Yeah, just keep doing it.
See and again that's that's magic. That's

525
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:57,760
magic changing the world through visualization.
Take take but take the money. Yeah,

526
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,679
you mightn't have to have money in
it. But the thing this is

527
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:07,000
about Cheryl becoming rich and famous.
This was I had an objective, give

528
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,719
me, help me with the resources
magic. Okay, yeah, visualize it,

529
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,480
make it happen. Visualize it every
day, make it happen. I

530
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:22,719
started visualizing the project in eighty five
when I was reading Spiral Dance, and

531
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,599
I started visualizing. Every day.
I started visualizing I'd read another chapter.

532
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:30,119
I started visualizing and imagining what a
show that I did documentary. In twenty

533
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,960
fourteen, I was finishing up a
forty year old bachelor's degree, and yeah,

534
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,960
I did all of that other cool
stuff. I didn't have a college

535
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,639
degree, by the way, So
funny how that worked out. Huh.

536
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,119
I now have a master's degree,
and they want me to teach classes,

537
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:52,280
and they want me to teach my
old professor and I had a couple of

538
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:58,639
copy lasts two weeks ago, and
they want me to teach adjunct and remotely,

539
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:06,000
they want me to teach class in
creative writing. And my English teachers

540
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,559
in high school voted me and wrote
in my yearbook least likely ever to pick

541
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:13,039
up a pencil. Again, I
did not have a gift for that.

542
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:17,199
I did have a gift for telling
tall tales. The Catholic nuns knew that

543
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,519
they may write made me write on
the board five hundred times, I will

544
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:24,639
not tell tall tales anymore. So
I went into a profession where it was

545
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:31,480
okay to do that. So the
deal is, you can do anything with

546
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:36,440
magic, and you shouldn't be doing
it for your benefit. You shouldn't be

547
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:42,039
doing it for bad things nine times
nine. A lot of people you go

548
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:46,559
on Facebook and those kinds of the
rooms, group rooms and things, and

549
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:51,360
they say, you know, they
got a little banner in there, Oh,

550
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,320
we don't believe in that Buddhist Hindu
stuff with karma and there's no such

551
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,239
thing as blowback. But they're usually
the first people ale to complain how rotten

552
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,400
their life is and why I things
keep falling down around them. You know.

553
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:13,559
In Buddhism, I learned a technique
called raising the great boaty cheetah okay,

554
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:19,639
which is a practice of what they
call raising the great abundance or the

555
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:25,239
great joy. Okay. So first, if you accept that there is blowback,

556
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,480
both good and bad. So why
would you ever want to throw a

557
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:35,960
bad spell on you as somebody?
If it was going to come back nine

558
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,880
times nine on you for that bad
spell, it's eighty one times worse nah,

559
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:47,639
Okay, So what if I throw
a really good spell that blowback is

560
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,800
nice. Now the practice I do
and I teach my students, make the

561
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,360
offering every day and make your normal
daily offering, but make that offering.

562
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:07,239
I make the offfering for all beings
everywhere, every when. May they enjoy

563
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,000
great abundance, May they enenjoy great
health, great love, and great joy.

564
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:21,519
The blowback is amazing. Yeah,
think about that, Think about that.

565
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,119
I've had many a witch say you
have a wonderful life. What is

566
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:29,920
your secret? I said, send
out good things. Good things come back

567
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:36,800
in abundance, send out bad things. Duck. Yeah, yeah, I

568
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:45,719
can't argue with that at all,
because well, I've done both. Okay,

569
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:53,199
made mistake. Look, every witch
has to screw up something at least

570
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:01,239
once, maybe five times, six
times. But I was capable of learning

571
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,119
from it. Yeah, that's what
you have to do. You have to

572
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:07,920
be willing to shut up and look
at what you did and say, oh

573
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:15,599
maybe, oh yeah, I screwed
that up. Yeah what I what I

574
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:22,480
learned to do though, when someone
was casting ugliness at me, is I

575
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:35,000
just, I guess repelled it with
a smile. Just that's not mine,

576
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:42,400
not mine, this is not for
us, this is not don't don't settle

577
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,920
here, just go back out,
go out, be changed. This sort

578
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,880
of came up in my class last
Saturday. I had to step down the

579
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,679
hall. I had kind of an
emergency kind of handholding counseling call I had

580
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,679
to deal with. So I let
my my tas run a kind of a

581
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,199
panel. When I came back in, there were people asking for protection spells.

582
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,440
Okay, the simplest things that you
know, if you if you got

583
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,079
a ward your space, you know, go out there and by the big

584
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:22,119
thing, a kosher salt and port
around your bed or something like that,

585
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:28,920
right, okay, But but people
were asking not so much protection spells.

586
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:37,159
They were asking for hostility. What's
the word when you're being intact retaliation?

587
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:44,320
They were asking for retaliation magic okay? And I said, they said,

588
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,760
sure, what do you do?
And I said, I've been wrapping myself

589
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,440
and protect think star Trek, think
shields. I've been wrapping myself in protective

590
00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:00,400
spells for year after year after year. Okay, I do it at least

591
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,920
once a year. I'll do a
meditation where I just kind of recharge the

592
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,239
shields, so to speak. Okay, and the mindset behind it, well,

593
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,400
don't you want to throw some bad. No, I don't. I

594
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,440
don't believe in negative magic. So
if I'm doing if I'm putting these shields

595
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:20,559
up, I'm not going to make
them barbed wire, I'm not going to

596
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:27,440
make them razor wire shields I put. I put no attack magic into my

597
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:34,599
defenses. Yeah, I just make
it solid. But a lot of people,

598
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,360
our whole culture is addicted to war, and the most popular movies out

599
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,079
there are war movies. Okay,
warrior movies. You know. It doesn't

600
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:47,320
matter whether swords or tanks, or
atom bombs or phasers, it's always somebody

601
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:54,400
with a weapon. Yep. Okay, And I have walked away from more

602
00:52:54,519 --> 00:53:01,320
fights with a simple stare down where
they realized I was telling them no at

603
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,639
a very fundamental level. Yes,
I've had the crap beat out of me

604
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:10,840
a couple of times. Okay.
I had somebody try to beat the hell

605
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,920
out of me a few years ago. My person was about ready to try

606
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,119
and come over and take me apart, and my spell simply looked at them.

607
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,599
She's a combat veteran. You certainly
do not want to do this.

608
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:30,039
If she comes after you, you're
going to have a cobra in your hands.

609
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Okay, I had to make peace
when I came home with Vietnam,

610
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,079
and it took me until I got
into a monastery. I got out of

611
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:45,239
Vietnam in seventy two. It wasn't
till two thousand and two and a monastery

612
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:52,400
was I able to make peace with
the ones that I destroyed. And I

613
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:00,639
have a very deep anger and disapproval
of our government for taking someone like me,

614
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,039
who at that time had been a
good Catholic boy, and taking me

615
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:09,760
over someplace and teaching me to kill
people. Okay, I'm a very gentle

616
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,719
soul these days. I have made
peace with a lot of bad things.

617
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,920
And you have to do that.
If you're going to be a good witch,

618
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,320
you have to make peace with all
those bad things, all those bad

619
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,559
things that people did do in school, things your brother and sister did do,

620
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:29,880
your aunts and uncle is, your
step mom, whatever, your parents.

621
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,880
I'm a strange for my parents.
They handled my gender change, they

622
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,920
were old with it. They found
out I was a witch. I was

623
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,760
about to say it was the witch
thing, right. I am so banished,

624
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,840
I am so disowned. It is
ridiculous. I mean it disbanished and

625
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:52,840
disowned on paper. Okay, cannot
get I cannot have a meeting with them.

626
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,360
I can still. I can sometimes
call my mother up if she likes

627
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,559
UFO stories. Every now and then, I'll simply call her up. Got

628
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:01,920
quick you, Oh, I gotta
say it in the first line, Got

629
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,960
a quick UFO story for you?
Shoot, so give her a UFO story.

630
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:14,639
Wow, that's cool. Bye.
Well, you know UFOs bring people

631
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:20,199
together. I yes, No,
I don't disagree with that. You can't.

632
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,760
Before I started writing my first column
back in twenty thirteen, I didn't

633
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,800
know how popular it was. I
suspected it was. So I went to

634
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,880
my favorite diner, sat at the
bar of the diner, and I told

635
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,400
the lady that was waiting on me, who knew me. I said,

636
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:43,840
I'm going to start talking loud about
ufolks, and if people start whispering to

637
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:49,119
you, tell them I'm an expert, and this is why I was really

638
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:54,320
an expert, you know. And
I did. She did. I started

639
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,679
talking loud to the truck driver next
to me because I knew he'd probably seen

640
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,599
stuff out on the highway. Oh
yeah he did. Oh yeah, big

641
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:05,519
guy, you know mixt thing.
You know. I got people toddling up

642
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:09,880
to me from the booths. My
uncle was abducted. My daughter was sawd

643
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,280
one, you know at the girls
go out get and it just it was

644
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,280
one. I could have walked out
of there with six months worth of stories

645
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,840
for my newspaper column and I hadn't
even gotten it yet. Yeah, that's

646
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,840
that's absolutely the way it works.
When I got the column, I got

647
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,800
turned down from six newspapers, I
went and pitched. He left me out

648
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,559
of the office, escorted me to
the door by security, out of the

649
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:35,800
office, chased me out of the
office, you know. Everything. Nobody

650
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,960
wanted to talk to me. I
got a phone call from a little weekly

651
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,440
to said, come on over,
let's talk. We hear you're out pitching.

652
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,280
So I went in to talk to
the guy. That guy's name is

653
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:52,440
Larry Dietrick. He's past now and
pastor and COVID and we talked for about

654
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,440
twenty minutes over a cup of tea
in his office, and turns out we

655
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,639
were about the same age, and
he had read all the same books I

656
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:05,280
had in high school and early college
and in the military, that kind of

657
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,679
thing. And at the end of
about twenty minutes discussing some of the old

658
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:19,920
writers, you know, the John
Keels, the the uh uh, all

659
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,519
those guys okay, yeah, Mark
Mark, uh no, Bob, Bob

660
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,679
Edwards, John Edwards, John Edwards, Frank Edwards, Frank Edwards, Yeah,

661
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:37,360
all yeah yeah. And so he
looked at me and says, I'm

662
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,679
the editor in chief. I can't
write that, but you can. I'll

663
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:45,639
try you out for a month,
and he had this dread pirate Roberts sound.

664
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,840
I'll try you out for a month, you know, I'll show the

665
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:52,440
kill you in the morning. Well, he calls me up four weeks later.

666
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,440
I gave him four or five articles
I had already pre written. I

667
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,519
said, make sure you edit the
month, you know, And he called

668
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:01,000
me up about four weeks later.
He says, get over here. We

669
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:06,039
got to talk, and he had
that pirate Roberts sound. So they got

670
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:09,639
the parking lot torn up. I
can't find a place to park. I'm

671
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:13,880
ten minutes late to the meeting.
I come into the meeting. All the

672
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,000
columnists from the papers a weekly all
around this big conference table and he's talking

673
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,400
to him about something. And I
opened up the door and he stops.

674
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,360
He looks at me and he says, there's our rock star. I said,

675
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,880
what are you talking about? He
said, you've been here less than

676
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,360
a month. You're pulling more online
page views and all of them combined.

677
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,320
So when the first line round of
right layoffs came about six months later,

678
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:44,920
I was not on that list.
I was keeping the online addition alive.

679
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:51,920
Yeah, and so it went on
from there, and six months later,

680
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,519
the digital editor, who was my
interface. I was always a freelance.

681
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:59,719
I was never actually on salary.
I was probed as a freelance. And

682
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,760
they the digital edit, calls me
up and says, hey, you're pulling

683
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,760
a national audience. This is Is
that a big deal? He says,

684
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,800
for a little weekly newspaper and upstate
New York. Yeah, that's a big

685
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:14,920
deal. That's completely changing our advertising
mentality. And holy god, Okay,

686
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:21,559
fine, just keep doing it.
Get up to the Christmas party, the

687
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,800
publisher and the digital editor get up
there and say, our one columnist is

688
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:37,760
pulling an international audience. The wacky
cracky UFO writer place went nuts. Okay,

689
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,920
and then we got an article.
Linda n I published that book,

690
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,360
first book on UFO statistics, UFO
Citing's Desk Reference two thousand and one to

691
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,440
twenty fifteen. New York Times does
a story on US. I saw that

692
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:54,599
Ralph Ralph pluminghal yeah, bloominghal yeah. And he actually jumped on a train

693
00:59:54,639 --> 01:00:00,599
and came up and stayed in one
of the the waft hotel things and spent

694
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:05,480
two days with us. First thing, he said, I'm here to make

695
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,880
sure my editor satisfy my editors,
you know, living in your mother's cellar

696
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:16,000
or attic. And we had we
had a big, old Victorian house at

697
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:22,000
the time, and so he came
in talked to me for a couple of

698
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,400
hours. And we had a living
room in the front part of the house

699
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:29,639
that we had turned into a full
library. We had a nonfiction library of

700
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:34,719
about fifteen hundred books, and we
had old we had what they called stickley

701
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,840
furniture in it. So you expected
hercue perrot to come in and have a

702
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,920
team with you or something, you
know. Yeah, and he this,

703
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,719
He talked to me for a while, and then Linda came home from work

704
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,679
and he sat down and talked to
her, and then we all went down

705
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:51,559
to an Irish pub and you know, he had a great meal down there

706
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:57,320
and got him loosely sloshed, and
you know, so this is how it

707
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,360
went. The paper. The story
came out on the electronic edition on the

708
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,119
twenty fourth of April. In fact, if you want to read it,

709
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:12,760
it is called people are Seeing UFOs
Everywhere and this book proves it. Not

710
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,320
a bad title, Vitoria sel No, it's a really good title and really

711
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:22,639
good That came out on the electronic
edition on the twenty fourth. The newspaper

712
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:28,840
version came out on the twenty fifth. My phone started bringing a eight thirty

713
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:34,440
in the morning. First call was
from the Times of London. They interviewed

714
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,559
me for about forty five to fifty
minutes, and it was one phone call

715
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:43,800
after another there after all day.
I didn't find out till the next day

716
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:50,079
that the phones were ringing off the
hook at the newspaper. Okay, so

717
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:57,280
suddenly a little newspaper in upstate New
York had news directors and news editors from

718
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:02,639
all over the planet calling them because
we were treating this subject matter not as

719
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:10,280
woah ha ha. I was writing
columns that were sensible and made an argument,

720
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:16,679
and I treated it instead of sensation. My articles had a flavor of

721
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,679
I wrote the articles like a flavor
of just like another car accident down the

722
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,440
street, fire across town, burglary
of two blocks over. I just wrote

723
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,280
the stories like that with a great
deal of respect, just traded it like

724
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:36,679
another story, like it happens every
day, and I talk to people day.

725
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,679
Yes. Yeah. So the thing
is is it happens way more often

726
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:47,039
than anybody what in you know,
in normal life, would like to think

727
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:54,440
of. Way more often. People
say when they read the statistics books,

728
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:59,679
this seems to be more about human
activity than it does. The UFOs.

729
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:04,159
We thought, these seems to be
hovering around the nuclear sites or something like

730
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:07,679
this or this or that. You
know, well, they do, but

731
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:13,760
yeah, they do, they do
other things. And the goofy part that

732
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:20,800
was, I said, there's let's
just assume there's a constant degree of traffic

733
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,079
up there, that these things are
not as rare as everybody says they are.

734
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:31,480
All the experts say they're rare.
There's they're here. They like to

735
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:36,199
watch this little planet and our eight
billion people. We're cute to watch,

736
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:43,320
you know. And the line referred
to me by somebody who who is an

737
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:50,000
experiencer who has regular contact with ET
and they said, what their their usual

738
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:53,639
remark is, what have the thunderheads
on Tara done? Now? Oh yeah,

739
01:03:53,639 --> 01:04:01,119
I'm sure We're almost like a soap
opera for any creat like a Doonsbury

740
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:06,159
cartoon for the books. Well,
yeah, so this is how this all

741
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:11,599
went down. So we did really
well with it. And when the paper

742
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:18,400
went under nineteen June and nineteen June
of twenty nineteen, the editor is actually

743
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:26,679
about February of nineteen. I had
written a holiday piece for Halloween from late

744
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:30,000
eighteen and they got a lot of
nice meme about it, and he said,

745
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:33,800
could you give me a series,
you know, like maybe rotate it

746
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:39,280
like every other week with the UFO
column and just do a column every week,

747
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,280
but one week do like the pagan
community, one week do the UFOs.

748
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:45,400
I said, sure, I could
do that. So I wrote them

749
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:51,159
up a dozen articles. They get
them started, and the digital editor called

750
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:54,800
me up. She was a new
editor for me, and she called me

751
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,280
up and said, boy, he's
really excited, can't wait to latch.

752
01:04:57,639 --> 01:05:00,000
This is going to be great stuff. I was okay, good, And

753
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:05,159
then they called me up and says, the paper's going under. Your last

754
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:11,679
article will be the last art,
the last edition that we're doing, you

755
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:17,559
know, twenty sixth of June twenty
nineteen, and they closed up. And

756
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,280
it was always one of those free
papers, so to speak, So they

757
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:26,760
completely lived on advertising. Yeah,
we had a local paper that we worked

758
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,400
out a lot, and they tried
to do the subscription thing and people were

759
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,480
too slow to respond and it just
ye, it was too little, too

760
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:39,679
late. Yeah, and fifty year
old paper went under. And so I

761
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,920
tried to get other papers to pick
me up. And I tried for four

762
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:48,519
years rather regularly, and I got
the same David aha ha, even after

763
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,679
the stuff's really started coming out that
it was really it was looking like congressional

764
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,280
hearings and things like this. The
few papers that actually covered that, I

765
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,960
said, which like a column us
who know something about it, you know.

766
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:08,800
And again they wouldn't talk to me. And then I was speaking at

767
01:06:09,199 --> 01:06:13,840
the UFO, the Uful convention,
and there's two in Roswell. They're kind

768
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,719
of competing conventions. One at the
museum and there's one at the news with

769
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,599
the newspaper down at the civic center. They invited me to come. Now

770
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:30,880
what happened on that was I had
a loose invitation to come. Most of

771
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,480
the editor senior editorial staff came to
contact in the desert and they had heard

772
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:44,679
me speak there m and I blew
their bloody socks off. I showed them

773
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:48,760
where they are, how big they
are, where they've been, the patterns

774
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:55,159
when they are, when they're not. Okay, we from the data,

775
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:00,440
we have discerned a huge amount of
information. Okay, it's all the Pink

776
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,320
book. If you go on Amazon
and you want the Pink book. You

777
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:12,559
go on Amazon and you look up
UFO Sitings Desk Reference the United States of

778
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,760
America two thousand and one to twenty
twenty. It's a twenty year sample.

779
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,199
It's bright pink. Why is it
bright pink? So you see it?

780
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:27,199
Well, that too. But in
twenty nineteen, the usual suspects are lobbyists

781
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:30,239
and DC. They reached out to
me and said, you know, we

782
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:40,400
didn't know Goog was coming. Okay, so they said, when said or

783
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:44,599
Rubio has written a bill, he's
going to attest to a continuing spending bill,

784
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:48,960
is something maybe government reappropriations or military
spending package, something they know will

785
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:56,360
pass and it's going to require congressional
hearings on UFOs. It said, okay,

786
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:01,800
said you two women and have written
the only books of ulful statistics that

787
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,440
were published, would you be willing
to come and testify before Congress? We

788
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:12,880
have the end whisper in the right
years and I were sitting there on the

789
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,239
phone call. It says like we
were both federal contractors. You worked your

790
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:20,159
whole career trying not to have to
testify before Congress, you know. So

791
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:25,279
we said, yeah, okay,
sure. So I got off the call.

792
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,920
We have English. We do English
tea in this house, okay.

793
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,880
And so we were talking about it, and I said, okay, imagine

794
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:39,960
that we've seen congressional hearings and during
the course of our work, I said,

795
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:45,840
we're on c SPAN. There's all
these guys up there behind these big,

796
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,560
big desks and things, and they
got piles of papers and books and

797
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,159
things in front of them. If
they're pulling through our book, we want

798
01:08:55,159 --> 01:09:02,079
them to know that it was ours
so and we want them to know since

799
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:09,600
the UFO community seems to be dominated
by a lot of men, we want

800
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,640
them to know that it was written
by a couple of women and dedicated to

801
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:19,199
a woman. So we made it
bright Fusia. You can flag in aircraft

802
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:26,359
with this thing. And it's it's
about it's about an inch and a half

803
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:30,000
thick. It's we're credited with one
concussion. Some woman hit her husband over

804
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:36,239
the head with it, funny things
to learn about in alt as an author.

805
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:41,159
If you want to find all my
stuff that we've written on UFOs on

806
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:45,399
Amazon, go to Amazon book Search, not Google, but go to Amazon

807
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:50,600
book Search and put in Costa costa
ufo. You will find all fifty three

808
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:55,800
books that we've published. Now,
where did the volume come from? We've

809
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,640
written two desk Repherens one from two
thousand and one to twenty fifteen. That's

810
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,720
the white book, the Pink Book, which we just told you about.

811
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:08,880
We published all the articles that I
wrote for Syracuse New Times in one collection.

812
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:15,479
I feel like the stories that's the
book to get and we published starting

813
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:21,199
last Halloween through Christmas. I've worked
on it for almost two years. We

814
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:25,159
wrote fifty people had been bugging us. Can you give us a book that

815
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,239
this is your pink book when it
goes down to the county level in each

816
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:32,000
state, can you give us something
in the villages? And during twenty twenty

817
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,079
one day, I ran a report
on my computer and had nothing better to

818
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:39,960
do. And it would have been
a book about a foot and a half

819
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,640
two foot thick. It would have
been equivalent down going down to the village

820
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,720
level. It would have been equivalent
to three or four Oxford dictionaries. Can't

821
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,960
do that. Nobody's going to publish
it, No one's going to buy it.

822
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:56,159
The binding alone would be ideous.
Linda says, you can't build a

823
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:01,600
binding like that. Yeah, that's
no. Libraries have these little private tables

824
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,279
for big dictionaries. Yeah, I
mean it's not like people have those bookstand

825
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:10,439
things. They don't. Okay,
we've got a dictionary like that. We

826
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,199
don't have one of those stands.
And we're still watching the antique stores for

827
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:16,920
unbelieving the deal is what we did, decided I said to do. I

828
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,239
said, why don't I publish an
individual since we build these things with PDFs

829
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:25,960
anyway, I said, why don't
we build why don't we do fifty individual?

830
01:11:26,039 --> 01:11:30,680
State books were detailed down to the
zip Coden village level, and Linda

831
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,119
looked at me and said, you're
crazy. So you've known them crazy since

832
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:40,800
you married me. Oh, I'm
a crazy yogi, I'm a crazy witch.

833
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,079
For goodness sakes, here, you
know. I said I can do

834
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,760
it, And she kept getting up
in front of audience and says, I

835
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,760
don't think she can pull this off. So I finally came to her with

836
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:57,159
a final format for the book.
It says that might work, And he

837
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:00,880
said, yeah, would you like
to see the manuscripts. I'd already done

838
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:05,439
them, And so we had the
manuscripts for all fifty We had to do

839
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:11,159
some tweaking and registering on Amazon so
you can put the ISBN numbers in and

840
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:15,560
all that stuff. So we got
them all built. I built all the

841
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,399
major elements of the books. Some
of it's duplicated from book to book because

842
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:24,359
it's all our best papers. And
then the second half the book, or

843
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:32,960
second quarter of the book, was
the specific information about a state at the

844
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:38,399
state level, the county level,
and down to the zip code and right

845
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:43,920
down to the cities and village level. Okay, and when you got it,

846
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,439
says say, say you had sightings
in your town, you find your

847
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,960
county in the book, you get
down in that county and you would look

848
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,920
for your zip code, and then
all the cities in that zip zip codes

849
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,560
or villages in that zip code would
have next to it every listing of every

850
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:06,640
shape that had been reported in what
years. So if you had saucers and

851
01:13:06,199 --> 01:13:12,439
they were reported across an assortment of
eight or nine years, over twenty years,

852
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,800
there were all the numbers of what
years they were in, not the

853
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:21,199
citing information itself, but it would
say twenty eighteen five, you know,

854
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:26,760
and underneath it would be Okay,
there's the fireballs, there's the spheres,

855
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,720
there's this, there's that. Provided
they had them, and I've had people

856
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,239
send me hate. Now there was
nothing from my talent. I said,

857
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:36,680
then, you didn't have any UFOs
reported. Didn't say there wasn't any there.

858
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,199
You didn't somebody in your village or
your zipko didn't report them. So

859
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:47,199
you got the reports from move On
and New Fork, Yeah, I got.

860
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:50,079
I got dumps from both of them. Okay. And it was a

861
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:55,359
lot of work to make the two
databases go together because they they they did,

862
01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:59,279
they weren't compatible, right. We
had to develop. But we developed

863
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:02,600
things that we developed to sanitize the
data and make it compatible. That would

864
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,199
take us two or three months to
do. Back with the White Book,

865
01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:10,000
back in twenty sixteen, with the
first book, things it took us like

866
01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:13,960
three months to do. I can
do in a month now. Things took

867
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,760
me a week to do back then, I can do in a morning now.

868
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,960
Okay, Yeah, because what do
ex federal contractors know how to do?

869
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:28,159
That the average worker doesn't. We
try to do as little work as

870
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:31,359
possible. It makes it sound like
we're lazy. No, you do a

871
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,239
task, you make extensive notes,
and you write a process procedure. The

872
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:42,000
next time you do it, you
tighten it up even more, to the

873
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:45,800
point that every time you do it
it gets a little tighter, and at

874
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,760
some point you've got it down to
a very small amount of time. But

875
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,600
since the contract was written based on
the first one you did, you charged

876
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,560
them out for the two hours that
process took, but you were only dumping

877
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,159
them out in probably fifteen to twenty
minutes. It's called profit. Yeah,

878
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:06,399
let's country remember, Yes, yes, absolutely, So we were very good

879
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:11,319
at doing this. So we had
the data all cleaned up in twenty twenty

880
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,800
except one thing. We ran a
report and we just got in there and

881
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:21,279
we noticed that did a city,
little city. We'll say Jasper, Wyoming,

882
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:28,520
and it would say Jasper, Wyoming, and there might be another jest

883
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,920
for Wyoming. Becuse somebody put a
space in front of Jasper when they typed

884
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:39,439
it in, or they Jasper Wyoming
next to Joe's gas station, Bob's Pizza.

885
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:47,359
There's all this extraneous stuff put in
three percent of the entire database of

886
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:54,640
one hundred and sixty seven six and
thirty two records. Three percent of that.

887
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,479
Take your calculators out, kids,
figure out how big this is.

888
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:05,600
They didn't enter the name of it
city for the report blank seven percent entered

889
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:12,800
the city. Either didn't spell it
right, used variable case writing to write

890
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:17,439
it, you know, capitals and
little letters and make sort of just all

891
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:24,199
capital letters or something. Old people
tend to do that, and or they

892
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:28,720
wrote something in like I just told
you, they wrote in Jasper, Wyoming

893
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:34,920
next to Joe's gas station, right, Okay, So we couldn't clean that

894
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:42,079
up easily. So it was twenty
twenty. We were in lockdown. We

895
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:45,600
had no place better to go,
nothing better to do. So it was

896
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:53,640
like I suddenly came out of retirement
and I sat down and put in a

897
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:59,880
seven hour day, five days a
week total eight s started the second week

898
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:04,880
of August, and this first week
of August and of the second week of

899
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:12,479
January twenty twenty one, I logged
eight hundred and fifty hours. That's another

900
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,199
thing federal contractors do is log your
time. Okay, So we logged eight

901
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:20,159
hundred and fifty hours doing it.
But while we were doing it cleaning that

902
01:17:20,319 --> 01:17:24,720
up, we added like that longitude, we added like zip code, that

903
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,880
kind of thing. Cleaned up the
county data from the previous books data base

904
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:34,840
because some of it was wrong.
It's a very delicate thing to fix,

905
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:40,399
okay, and so we fixed it
all. And it was eight hundred and

906
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:44,560
fifty hour effort just to do that
one task. It was about three to

907
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,920
five. There's no spell check to
do this, believe me. No,

908
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:51,680
No, we had to write.
We had to work on as little as

909
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:56,800
five hundred lines a day to as
much as if I was in a good

910
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,640
mood, maybe twelve or fifteen hundred
lines. But we took the database and

911
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,560
brought it down into a spreadsheet to
work with it in that environment. It

912
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:11,920
was grueling. It was like going
back to work it lucky day, forty

913
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,199
hours we okay. But when we
got done, we had a pretty christine

914
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:23,640
set up. So I started building
the reports for every single state, and

915
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:29,239
we stole the high level county and
state data from the Pink Book since we'd

916
01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:31,840
already done it for every single right. They did it once, so we

917
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,000
just why do it again? Why
do it again? And it was the

918
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:40,720
same number of sightings anyway, we
didn't add anything, so we were able

919
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:46,359
to minimize our costs of overhead and
labor that way. And the percentage of

920
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,720
the variance is for any one state
only changed by less than ten plus or

921
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:55,439
minus five kind of thing. It
was not very much, so we wrote

922
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,079
even wrote a little disclaimer and said
to save money. We did this,

923
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,159
okay, and nobody's argued about that. So I built all these things.

924
01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:06,199
I came to Linda and they said, I would like to launch the first

925
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,000
one. We'll do Ohio first,
since we lived there. Oh and the

926
01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:15,319
names of the books are all the
same. We kind of tied into the

927
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,560
fantastic Beasts and where to find them
UFOs in Ohio and where to find them

928
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:25,079
UFOs in Texas and where to find
them UFOs in California and where to find

929
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:29,680
They're all named the same thing except
to the name of the state. So

930
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:35,800
we launched Ohio first, tighten up
our process, launched Michigan second. Why

931
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:42,640
did we launch Michigan seconds next door? No, it's because we were hoping

932
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,600
to have the book out in time
for a Michigan conference we went to Okay,

933
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:55,479
but we put that up and then
the third installment. A week later,

934
01:19:56,239 --> 01:20:00,000
we did five books. We tightened
up the process the point where Linda

935
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:06,039
would go on. I gave her
the titles, she plugged them into the

936
01:20:06,079 --> 01:20:12,680
Amazon publishing system that would give her
the uh. We had a standard stock

937
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,079
write up for you know, the
the authors, all the stuff you got,

938
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:19,159
all the yeah, all the business
and of stuff. So she had

939
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:21,479
a template for that. All she
had to just cut and paste that in

940
01:20:23,039 --> 01:20:27,399
and it would generate an ISBN.
She'd write it down for me and she'd

941
01:20:27,399 --> 01:20:30,680
hand me back these. I'd go
back into the PDF that had the front

942
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,880
versal material. That's the only thing
I had to change, make the corrections

943
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:40,039
there from the from the template we
had, and then just put them all

944
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:45,960
into one PDF marginal and one PDF. Adobe Acrobat made this possible. Okay,

945
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:51,159
put them all in there. We
published five the next week. Now,

946
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:56,840
remember I started on Halloween. This
was a magical effort as well.

947
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:03,520
Okay, so we published five a
week for the next few weeks. Got

948
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,600
to about the last twenty books.
I've looked at Linda and said, the

949
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:13,960
process is tight enough. Now I
will give you ten next week. See

950
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,119
if you can do it. She
did, and then we did ten more

951
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:23,479
and we were done, and we
were done just before winter solstice. We

952
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:31,640
did the entire thing in one magical
period. That's magic in industry. Yeah,

953
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:41,960
that is amazing. Did you do
any what kind of computer did analysis?

954
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,840
Did you do? Did you use
anything like machine learning or any of

955
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:50,760
that kind of the way we call
aid the data? Yeah? Truth,

956
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:57,279
we told we did most of it
between a database program, a simple Microsoft

957
01:21:57,359 --> 01:22:03,720
data program called Access and Excel.
Okay, remember I'm an old school intelligence

958
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:13,359
analyst. I was the computer.
I did the analysis analyst. So a

959
01:22:13,359 --> 01:22:18,319
friend of mine is your tax dollars
paid for those books in a sense by

960
01:22:18,359 --> 01:22:26,560
giving me those skills, I think
it was worth it. So I have

961
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:34,920
a friend who is a contractor,
works for a contractor out in Dayton,

962
01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:50,920
and he built a database out of
Albert Rosales is humanoids. Uh books,

963
01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:58,279
books of humanoid sightings. That's like, you know, because I read them

964
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:03,239
and I'm like, I'm like this
is really interesting, but there's no way

965
01:23:03,319 --> 01:23:09,319
I can collate it really well.
And you know, so I'm an old

966
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:14,680
school journalist. So I started flagging
with post its and had a map with

967
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,640
some pins and something, and then
I was like, you goof ASTs,

968
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:26,960
We have computers. The computers,
this is what they're good at. So

969
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:30,840
I said to Morgane, I said, do we know anybody who can do

970
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,039
that? And she said, oh, yeah, Chris Can. And I'm

971
01:23:33,079 --> 01:23:36,119
like, what, I thought he
was a historian. She's like, no,

972
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:44,039
he's an astrophysicist in a computer scientist
for you know, somebody who contracts

973
01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:47,199
for the government. Not for the
government directly, but yeah. And I

974
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:55,880
said, oh, invite him to
dinner please. So that's that's how I

975
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,760
talked him into this crazy project which
we're still working on, but because he

976
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,880
worked as a contractor for a government
agency. To your question, though,

977
01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:12,520
at contacting the Desert, I had
at least three people who were not just

978
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:25,840
Joe teenager plays with AI chant.
Yeah, several laboratory types that ask if

979
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:32,880
we'd be willing to let them let
the AI take a shot at the scale

980
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:40,239
of the database, right, and
they would be doing in a level that

981
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:45,239
wouldn't be at the level where there
was as much visibility and oversight. They

982
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:48,960
would be doing it like a research
firm that has access to the system.

983
01:24:49,399 --> 01:24:56,640
Right, Okay, it's more private, and none of them could convince us

984
01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:05,199
that our names should still be with
it. That's not Cole and Linda and

985
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:12,119
I just just just absolutely loved the
patriarchy. As you know. It's wonderful,

986
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:15,239
isn't it. Oh yes, it's
our favorite. It's our favorite.

987
01:25:15,319 --> 01:25:24,640
Yet finally, a gentleman from Israel
sat me down and we had a really

988
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,560
long talk at Contact in the desert. So understand what time this talk is.

989
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,760
I had just given a p I
had just been on a stage with

990
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:39,199
Oh, jeepers, everybody there.
You'd know. We had Nick Pope up

991
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:45,560
there, we had Linda Mowton Howe
up there. We had the guy that

992
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,399
ran for Congress in the UFO ticket. We had Steve Bassett was the moderator,

993
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,239
three other people who you would know
in a minute who saw them.

994
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:57,439
And I was sitting down on the
far end of this panel of eight people.

995
01:25:58,399 --> 01:26:00,439
Okay. In fact, when I
went up on stage to do this

996
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:05,439
before they put three thousand people in
to hear us, I looked at Steve

997
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:10,239
Bess. I said, Steve,
I'm looking at all the names here.

998
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,960
Cheepers, creepers. She got me
up here with with sky goddess, gods

999
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:19,239
and goddess says I can't compete with
these guys. I do numbers. You've

1000
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:24,319
got insight that all of them,
they're all involved in politics. You've got

1001
01:26:24,359 --> 01:26:28,600
the numbers in your head. You
know how things work. You'll see openings,

1002
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:33,560
trust me. So I just sat
down there and listened, and it

1003
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,439
didn't sound look like I was going
to say much. And then when someone

1004
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:44,000
said something about Arizona, and they
said something about how many there are,

1005
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:48,920
what's going on in Arizona? I
flagged for the MC and he'd give me

1006
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:54,399
the gavel and I'd say, okay, Arizona is the number seven state.

1007
01:26:55,000 --> 01:27:00,479
Maricopa County is the number two county
of thirty nine hundred counties, thirty five

1008
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,680
hundred counties. Actually, and I
just read off the high numbers. The

1009
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:10,239
audience. You could feel the suction
of the gasp. Yeah, yeah,

1010
01:27:10,279 --> 01:27:16,520
And three times that happened in the
course of the talk. Okay, and

1011
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:21,039
so we're wrapping it up. I
asked when the last two QUI made one

1012
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:26,079
of the last two statements, and
I said, I've shown you the scale

1013
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:29,359
of the numbers, just with a
couple of things off the top of my

1014
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,600
head. Some of you think them
up here calculating. No, I was

1015
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,760
just verifying the numbers on the calculator
on my phone because I've got most of

1016
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:40,319
it in my head. I was
just making sure I said the right thing

1017
01:27:40,399 --> 01:27:44,119
before I said it is. I
don't have my books with me. But

1018
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:48,479
the bottom line is, folks,
they're here. They're here in numbers.

1019
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:55,800
We know what their patterns are.
We know that they're studying us. They're

1020
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:00,920
worried about our pollution. They're worried
about our faults are fault lines big time.

1021
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:08,159
They're lurried about all of our serious
pollution, all of our big clean

1022
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:14,840
up level lakes and rivers and things. They're incredibly worried about that. Everybody

1023
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,319
says, Oh, they got to
be hanging out on all all the nuclear

1024
01:28:17,319 --> 01:28:21,560
reactors, all fifty five nuclear reactors. I have the address to every single

1025
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,720
one of them, right down to
the street and zip code. They aren't

1026
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,800
there. That are the people in
that neighborhood aren't reporting them because they aren't

1027
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,720
there. Now, if you say
take me to a military base, not

1028
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:40,159
all military bases. People's some nuclear
power plants. Oh those are toxic waste

1029
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:44,359
sites. No they're not. But
if you take me to a base and

1030
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,600
active base, all most of the
bases in the United States back in the

1031
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:53,439
seventies when that lady did that thing
using National UFO Reporting Center. They were

1032
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:57,399
all still strategic basis. At the
end of the Cold War, a lot

1033
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:01,920
of them were closed completely. They
came industrial parks where they became international guard

1034
01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:09,199
or reserve bases. They're not active
basis most bases. All of that sack

1035
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:12,880
stuff got handed over to the Navy
and it's all with the missile submarines and

1036
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:17,279
things. Okay, So the bottom
line is, and I got this confirmed

1037
01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:23,399
with the way I sounded over very
cryptically, they're only interested in our advanced

1038
01:29:23,399 --> 01:29:29,199
technology aka are nuclear weapons. Has
always been the case since Eisenhower. They

1039
01:29:29,279 --> 01:29:34,920
asked us give up nuclear weapons,
and they are are war making boyfriends don't

1040
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:40,199
want to do so, Okay,
so that's what we're up against. But

1041
01:29:40,279 --> 01:29:42,880
the bottom line is, that's what
they seem to be concerned about, is

1042
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,960
the degree of a pollution. Now, why suddenly did we have a jump

1043
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:55,119
in sightings after two thousand and four. We're at an at an ecological tipping

1044
01:29:55,199 --> 01:30:00,960
point, and I think half the
reason we started seeing all of our fleet

1045
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:05,439
being harassed by these guys. They're
trying to get our leaders to wake up

1046
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:10,680
and finally come clean which is a
lot more has happened in the last three

1047
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,760
years than we've had happened for a
long time. Oh yeah, yeah,

1048
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:18,039
because we seem to be in an
ecological tipt point. The storm storms are

1049
01:30:18,079 --> 01:30:23,399
getting nastier, the water is getting
warmer. If the if the Gulf Stream

1050
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:30,319
shuts down, uh, Northern Europe
and England are going to be the new

1051
01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:34,359
Greenland. Okay, this is what
the implications really truly are. It's happened

1052
01:30:34,399 --> 01:30:39,319
before, it can happen again,
and we will be the cause of it

1053
01:30:39,399 --> 01:30:44,239
this time. And we think,
I think personally from everything I've seen,

1054
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:51,439
it seems to be we're at this
ecological pisson well that too, yes,

1055
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:58,840
tipping point, but we are at
a crossroads and et isn't going to save

1056
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,439
us, but they're they're trying to
get a dialogue going with us that we

1057
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,880
need to take care of And everybody
you talk to who's ever been an experiencer

1058
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:12,199
and an abductee will tell you those
folks are great, and they told us

1059
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:15,279
to take care of our planet.
I know that's been the that's been the

1060
01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:21,279
answer, that's been the message forever. Yes, like at least from the

1061
01:31:21,319 --> 01:31:26,880
forties, but even before that,
Yes, I mean, even the Blessed

1062
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,560
Virgin Mary says, you know,
take care of your planet, stop having

1063
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:40,359
war. Pray, pray for peace. We pray is magic. Uh huh.

1064
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,560
That's what I was hoping would come
out of your mouth after I said

1065
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,520
that constant, not so much the
words, but the concentrated thought and imagery

1066
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:54,439
your head of peace. Yes,
of what peace means, and the heart

1067
01:31:54,439 --> 01:32:01,640
felt intension of asking for peace and
saying need at peace. Here's the deal.

1068
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:09,880
Everybody thinks Heaven and God is out
there someplace. The spark of life.

1069
01:32:10,119 --> 01:32:15,680
I shouldn't even call that the spark
of life. That is what animates

1070
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:20,439
you. Each of us have it. But think of it in a bigger

1071
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:27,680
sense. Think of it in the
sense that it's like single drop of water

1072
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:35,880
in an infinite ocean. Okay,
each drop of water has an impact on

1073
01:32:36,039 --> 01:32:42,600
all the other drops of water.
But if you consider that infinite ocean to

1074
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,600
be the God Force. Now I'm
not talking to God of Abrahead. I'm

1075
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:51,079
just talking the God Force. Excuse
me, the God Force. What George

1076
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:56,359
Lucas talked about. The force?
Okay, may the force be with you,

1077
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:02,880
honest really, which is understand the
force is what it is, and

1078
01:33:03,039 --> 01:33:12,960
you are using your instance of the
force to change things. Bear with me,

1079
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:24,920
So the Force. If you make
prayers of offering of goodwill, joy,

1080
01:33:25,359 --> 01:33:30,880
health, and abundance to every being, every drop, every being,

1081
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:40,920
everywhere, every whin, that blowback
is wonderful because you have just executed an

1082
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:49,800
act of love to all of the
God Force everywhere. Okay, because each

1083
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:55,720
of those drops, because of being
a piece of the God Force. Technically

1084
01:33:56,479 --> 01:34:02,079
each one of us is a God. I'm right saying that in a gender

1085
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:06,439
term. Okay. I had to
talk with someone this afternoon, and quite

1086
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:14,199
literally a physician. Yes, how, he says, how do you do

1087
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:21,439
this stuff, my goddess? I
create universes? Yeah, you create universe.

1088
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:27,840
I'm a storyteller. I write novels, I write short stories, and

1089
01:34:28,199 --> 01:34:32,520
I make plays I make I've made
indie films. I tell stories. I

1090
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:38,640
create universes. So did George Lucas. You may not have heard of me,

1091
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:45,600
but you certainly know he created a
universe. So who's to say that

1092
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:53,479
didn't manifest somewhere. Okay, it's
certainly his met His universe has manifested ear

1093
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:58,880
and Disney bought it. Ye,
Disney doesn't buy things that don't exist.

1094
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:05,079
But the bottom line is you are
the divine force. So here's the deal.

1095
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:09,279
If we have a lot of there
are I did it. I did

1096
01:35:09,319 --> 01:35:13,520
it. I used to write column
for Wickham Magazine and uh yeah, I

1097
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:19,079
get around, don't I. And
I wrote an article I found one hundred

1098
01:35:19,119 --> 01:35:27,960
and forty I was trying to find
protection deities and I didn't find anything.

1099
01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:30,359
Actually, I ended up only a
couple of months ago. And I wrote

1100
01:35:30,399 --> 01:35:33,880
this article back in twenty eighteen.
A couple of months ago. I found

1101
01:35:34,039 --> 01:35:40,039
two protector deities. Okay, there
was a one hundred and forty seven war

1102
01:35:40,119 --> 01:35:45,560
making gods and goddesses fears wrathful,
Okay, no problem, even the Holladay,

1103
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,399
Hey baby, he's wrathful. He's
a god. I you know,

1104
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:54,159
our god of vengeance, you know. But the bottom line is this wrathfulness.

1105
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,920
There was no protector deities out there. Oh, you can go to

1106
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,800
the Buddhist tradition and find protector there, but most American pagans aren't going to

1107
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:08,600
invoke some Buddhists and goofy Buddhist deity
I do. I know how to work

1108
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:14,119
with them, and they're great,
okay. But in the traditional paganism,

1109
01:36:14,199 --> 01:36:21,640
tribal religious there were mostly war making
gods and goddesses. And then I went

1110
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:26,880
out there was one hundred and seventy
five total traditions had all these war making

1111
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,800
gods and goddesses. And then I
looked up something and I said, I

1112
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:38,960
wonder how many of them have peace
gods? Seven traditions had gods of peace.

1113
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:45,720
Okay, I only found two protector
deities out there in the mix,

1114
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:49,199
and both of them were Egyptian,
and I just happened to be an Egyptian

1115
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:56,600
priests who knew you know, but
you see the problem and go back to

1116
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:00,279
the UFO committee. Steve Bassett has
said it very well, and I think

1117
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:05,399
he got it from somebody off this
world. Humans are addicted to war.

1118
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,319
Some of the highest rated movies we
are produced out there are war movies.

1119
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:16,239
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's
Star Wars is a war movie. It's

1120
01:37:16,279 --> 01:37:20,399
a war It's in the title.
Take yes, take a look at Going

1121
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:26,600
out There, and take a look
at Buck Rogers or even Flash Gordon,

1122
01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:31,159
those kinds of movies back in the
early days of filmmaking, and it's always

1123
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:35,399
excused the expression some white guy with
a phaser or a ray gun or something.

1124
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:41,399
Even with Star Trek. It was
the same thing. Okay, that's

1125
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:48,159
what this is. This is about
patriarchal people with weapons that gives us a

1126
01:37:48,199 --> 01:37:53,319
grow. That was a great white
man with a gun in the African movies,

1127
01:37:55,239 --> 01:37:59,079
Yeah, great White Hunter. Yeah
yeah, guys, we've got to

1128
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:01,840
stop all is killing. I'll tell
you what. I had a very interesting

1129
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:11,159
dream the night before the Israel War
broke out. And it's about two countries

1130
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:15,600
that had been in a hundred years
war with each other. That's not too

1131
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,760
far from what we have right now. Yeah, yeah, give it a

1132
01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:26,239
more decades. And a goddess got
asked to come and negotiate. The said,

1133
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:30,760
we can't do it ourselves. We'll
call a goddess then, and she

1134
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:39,359
listens to their cases for weeks,
and her solution a pox on both your

1135
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:45,359
countries. You over there, you
were going to die of this, and

1136
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:50,119
you were there you were going to
die of that, and you over there

1137
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:56,279
the thing they have can cure you, and the thing that you guys have,

1138
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,600
they've got. You can live together. You can work, work together

1139
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:08,439
and live and be friends where you
can fight together and die equally. And

1140
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:15,079
that was the solution. Unfortunately,
the next morning I got up and they're

1141
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:19,319
at it again, and I can't. I have to really very carefully go

1142
01:39:19,399 --> 01:39:23,640
through my news because I don't want
to. I don't care about it.

1143
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:27,920
I don't want about it. They
aren't trying to make peace, they really

1144
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:33,880
aren't. And A talks on both
their countries. I feel the same way.

1145
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:39,760
But we've got too much stuff.
There's too much there's too much profit

1146
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:46,039
in war, and meet hyarchy needs
to step forward and take the boy toys

1147
01:39:46,079 --> 01:39:57,359
away because women make communities. Yes, okay, now this is coming from

1148
01:39:58,119 --> 01:40:01,920
a male to female training, but
I been one for thirty four years.

1149
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:11,359
On this Halloween, I have my
surgery in Halloween by only. It's something

1150
01:40:11,399 --> 01:40:15,520
we have to look at as witches, lady witches. We do have more

1151
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:20,720
power in our hands than people give
us credit for. We need to stop

1152
01:40:21,079 --> 01:40:26,319
all of the month. The mytriarchy
needs to return. It needs to return

1153
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:30,640
in force. The boys have made
a mess of it with bloody war after

1154
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:40,680
bloody war. Okay, yeah,
and we need to change this. And

1155
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:45,600
the women are fifty percent of the
population and we need to take over the

1156
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:51,439
government and we need to be one
hell of a blue wave in the next

1157
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:57,560
election. Yeah, okay, And
it needs to be of a mentality.

1158
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,439
We're not trying to protect a training. Say nice if we did, but

1159
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:04,600
we need to not worry about the
fact that they are. The Republicans have

1160
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:10,439
been trying to tell us, oh, you don't want men dressing in his

1161
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:15,800
kourgs and trying to take away your
privilege. Privilege. Yeah, people said,

1162
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:17,520
well, Chery, you're not a
real woman. I took the thirty

1163
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:25,560
pay cut. Okay, I took
that cut, corporate cut. I didn't

1164
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:29,359
get a raise for five years after
I changed, and the people I worked

1165
01:41:29,359 --> 01:41:33,680
with and engineering at the company I
worked with, they Cheryl did that crazy

1166
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:39,079
sex change thing. We can't trust
your judgment about anything. Took me three

1167
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:45,840
years to get that level of professional
self esteem back, for God, but

1168
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:51,399
I got it back, and people
saw what kind of talent I had outside

1169
01:41:51,399 --> 01:41:54,800
of the company. He said,
Jesus, why are we treating her like

1170
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:59,039
crap inside the company? We're gonna
lose her. We got to keep her.

1171
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:04,079
That is what happens when you apply
yourself and channel the magic where it

1172
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:10,279
needs to be not about money,
it's about resources, It's about respect.

1173
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:15,640
Okay, this is what I'm talking
about. But the women need to stand

1174
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:19,079
up and stop looking at the cosmetics, especially the younger women. Stop worrying

1175
01:42:19,079 --> 01:42:24,920
about getting on TikTok and being the
lady's hadi taddi. You need to stand

1176
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:30,159
up and take control or it's going
to look like the handmaiden's wife again.

1177
01:42:31,159 --> 01:42:38,159
Yeah, okay, and it's going
to be nasty. And you're seeing with

1178
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:41,840
what they're trying to do. They're
shutting down all this stuff for the trainings

1179
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,600
because they know nobody will to defend
them. We're only a half a percent

1180
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:47,680
of the population and making it somic
we're taking over the country. We're not.

1181
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:53,600
But they're also telling you you can't
control your body. They've been telling

1182
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:58,319
you you can't control your body since
the Middle Ages, since the Burning times.

1183
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:02,359
The popes said, oh, we'll
blame the women and the and the

1184
01:43:02,399 --> 01:43:08,560
women and the witches for the black
plague. Will blame them for oh,

1185
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:12,319
they eat babies and they sell their
souls to the devil, because there were

1186
01:43:12,359 --> 01:43:19,479
women in those hierarchy circles that were
providing the abortions in those days. Mm

1187
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:25,800
hmm, okay. They're telling you
again, oh, you can't have control

1188
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:29,600
of your own body. The only
beings that don't have control over their own

1189
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:35,960
bodies are livestock. Understand that you
need to take control. Forget the politics.

1190
01:43:36,319 --> 01:43:40,079
The one party that's not going to
screw you over on this thing right

1191
01:43:40,119 --> 01:43:45,239
now is the republic Democratic Party.
Need we need to take those Google boys

1192
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:53,399
out of power because their mentality,
if you follow their boards, is where

1193
01:43:53,479 --> 01:44:00,079
the church we're in power, and
they're going to push that whole church mentality

1194
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,560
two genders because you're either're a boy
or a girl and nothing else, when

1195
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:10,640
science has shown that there are like
thirty five forty gender structures within us.

1196
01:44:11,159 --> 01:44:15,199
Despite what our biology is, I
am not defined by my biology. I

1197
01:44:15,239 --> 01:44:19,399
am not defined by my da and
A, your religion or your politics.

1198
01:44:20,359 --> 01:44:25,800
All of us have to take that
view because we are not the chicken suit

1199
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,199
you are, so I am the
empty. I'm the spirit without a name

1200
01:44:29,239 --> 01:44:32,479
behind these eyes. And that is
as a witch you need to wrap or

1201
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:39,560
pagan you need to wrap your head
around. You are the bright light behind

1202
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:45,319
these eyes. And this thing is
is transient, but you are the power.

1203
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:49,520
Take control of your godly power and
use the tools you have in this

1204
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:58,199
chicken suit and change the world.
You can do it together with others to

1205
01:44:58,199 --> 01:45:01,720
do it. If you can't bend
together. I'll just do it in whatever

1206
01:45:02,079 --> 01:45:09,920
thing you have control over. Start
it that way, you can do it.

1207
01:45:10,079 --> 01:45:15,479
Trust me, it's been done before. I'll right myself with that,

1208
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:24,000
my dear. What's that? That
is excellent? Thank you, my pleasure.

1209
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:30,359
Thank you for being here with me
tonight. Thank you for that history

1210
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:42,199
lesson. I'm I'm kind of speechless. You you've rendered me speechless. Nobody

1211
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:47,359
does that. I can always talk. Thank you so much. Thank you

1212
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:54,479
for the love. Thank you for
the work that you have done. Thank

1213
01:45:54,520 --> 01:46:00,840
you for my God, all of
those numbers and you did at old school,

1214
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:09,720
and I'm amazed. Thank you for
everything. And again, you're welcome

1215
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:14,960
to come back anytime you want,
honest and for true. We can talk

1216
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:20,279
about just about anything anytime anywhere.
To come back, talk real serious woo

1217
01:46:20,319 --> 01:46:26,199
woo with UFOs. Okay, that'd
be great topic. And just keep it

1218
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:30,760
to that. Is there some really
good wou and it goes into this consciousness

1219
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:35,119
realm stuff and ET's already got it
and they're trying to wake us up to

1220
01:46:35,239 --> 01:46:42,760
understand it. So yeah, that's
pretty much what I've started to think.

1221
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:47,119
Well, thank you. I had
a lama once. Look at me in

1222
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:51,560
a crowd besides telling me you knew
me and this is a different lama.

1223
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,760
He looked at the seven of the
thirty five months and nuns that were at

1224
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:59,640
this little gathering we were having like
a weenie roast to celebrate him being there.

1225
01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:03,560
And he's looking around and he looks
and looks at me and his friend

1226
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:09,479
Vicky, and he says, oh, you two have been touched by the

1227
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:15,760
sky dancers. And we, the
two of us, knew each of us

1228
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:23,239
had been an experiencer. Mm hmm, it's you two have been touched by

1229
01:47:23,279 --> 01:47:26,880
the bikinis. Oh, this is
good. We should talk, you know.

1230
01:47:27,399 --> 01:47:31,359
So even the deepest, even some
of the oldest religions, know a

1231
01:47:31,399 --> 01:47:39,600
great deal about this. I think
it's in all of the older religions.

1232
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:43,159
I mean, yeah, I don't
want to be one of those people who

1233
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:45,199
says, do you see that it's
a ufo. That's what it is.

1234
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:51,600
He's in a spaceship and you know, looking at art. But there's just

1235
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:58,520
there's always been sky people, yeah, and water people. Any indigenous tribe

1236
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:02,560
will tell you that. Yeah.
Yeah. One one last world short story

1237
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:17,479
real quickly. I gotta wrap this
up there. I'll say it. I'm

1238
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:21,119
losing here. At the end of
the night. We were just talking about

1239
01:48:21,279 --> 01:48:30,680
UFOs with with like the elders and
such. Mm hmm. Okay. On

1240
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:35,199
the consciousness side of this thing,
I'll give you a tidbit. I was

1241
01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:46,520
at an event with some sorry lunkin
monks two thousand is okay, and it

1242
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:51,960
was at a big festival, and
I was looking for a restaurant. Remember

1243
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:59,720
I'm a Tibetan ropes buzz cut best
like the Dalai lama. And I go

1244
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:06,760
into this building thinking maybe there's a
restroom in here. I found myself sort

1245
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:15,119
of on the edge of a stage. There were six or seven high level

1246
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:21,199
lama teachers from several you know,
we had Cambodia, UH Korea, Japan,

1247
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:28,079
UH India. They really wide range. Okay, there's about six or

1248
01:49:28,119 --> 01:49:31,800
seven of them, and I realized
that the door had locked behind me and

1249
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:41,039
I couldn't get out. Oh and
somebody on the edge of that line they

1250
01:49:41,079 --> 01:49:45,640
were talking, apparently to an audience. He looks back to hear what the

1251
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:49,399
noise was of the door, sees
me standing there in debt. Hey we

1252
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:56,840
got a Tibetan. Yeah, oh, dragging out there's an empty lazy boy

1253
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:02,600
recliner for me to sit in.
They're having a public monastic debate, and

1254
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:08,239
there's like a moderator. It's an
American time unk, like two hundred and

1255
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:15,159
fifty three hundred cyy lnkins in the
audience, all English speaking, and I

1256
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:20,039
figured, Okay, I'm sitting here
now, I'm not thinking like sanag the

1257
01:50:20,039 --> 01:50:25,920
one that I'm reincarnated from. I
am thinking like Cheryl, who is like

1258
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:32,000
vocational school Buddhist person. And I'm
sitting here next to people with three PhDs.

1259
01:50:32,279 --> 01:50:35,159
You know, I'm like, oh
my god, we're going to deal

1260
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:39,720
with this. I'm just going to
agree with everything they say. That's that's

1261
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:44,720
my way out right. And I
did agree with almost everything because when they

1262
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,199
came around it was in my teaching. I understood it and I couldn't argue

1263
01:50:47,239 --> 01:50:56,119
with it. It was good they
got to me, and the moderator says,

1264
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:00,399
Hashi, we have a question for
you. How do we make how

1265
01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:05,079
do we Buddhism always adapts to a
culture and then makes that culture. It

1266
01:51:05,159 --> 01:51:12,399
makes itself, makes itself over again
in that culture, it becomes that culture,

1267
01:51:12,399 --> 01:51:15,399
part of that culture. And right
now, all the Buddhism in North

1268
01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:19,600
America, for the most part,
is important okay, it's just how do

1269
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:25,840
we make it unique to America?
And I looked at him, I says,

1270
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,920
and I got a microphone on,
and everything is can I skip that

1271
01:51:31,039 --> 01:51:34,199
question? I really don't think you're
going to like my idea. Of course,

1272
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:38,319
the other say, oh, something
to argue about, you know.

1273
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:45,520
So I said, well, all
right, I said, the first thing

1274
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:48,680
we have to do is louse the
Asian baggage. You got to hurt a

1275
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:55,760
pin drop in the auditorium. And
they said, what do you mean?

1276
01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:59,399
And I says, well, first
thing start off with you. You treat

1277
01:51:59,399 --> 01:52:03,680
women like property in Asia. Okay, I have it on good authority from

1278
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:09,960
at least one high master in Island. It just says there's one hundred thousand

1279
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:14,279
monks in Asia that will never become
enlightened in this lifetime because they haven't been

1280
01:52:14,319 --> 01:52:20,119
able to embrace their feminine energy.
But I'm talking with this voice. They

1281
01:52:20,119 --> 01:52:29,159
think I'm a boy. Mm hmm
so, and they're going, oh yeah,

1282
01:52:29,399 --> 01:52:31,960
but ten centro scripture. No,
no, no, no, go

1283
01:52:32,039 --> 01:52:35,960
back to Buddha, go back to
the Vinaya, go back to what he

1284
01:52:36,079 --> 01:52:42,640
taught. Monks and nuns are ordained
equally. Oh, but the women have

1285
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,479
three hundred and sixty thousand months on. We have a two hundred and eighty

1286
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:57,039
and they carry the apparatus for reproduction. They have more responsibility. So we

1287
01:52:57,159 --> 01:53:00,680
argued a couple more points. I
said, a little while ago here in

1288
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:04,119
the talk, we all said that
we all come from the same great drop,

1289
01:53:04,119 --> 01:53:10,640
what's called the great Bindu, the
great drop the force. And I

1290
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:14,359
says, we all came from a
bindu. Oh, but a female birth

1291
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:16,760
is an inferior birth. And I
said, yes, has seventh century scriptures

1292
01:53:17,479 --> 01:53:21,399
written by a lot of guys,
right. Only one of them looks over

1293
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:26,199
to me, a cambodiander. He
says, I'm allowed. Why are you

1294
01:53:26,319 --> 01:53:30,520
defending the women. Why are you
defending the nuns? It's because I'm a

1295
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:40,640
nun. Okay, I says,
let me make a point. In an

1296
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:45,159
hour, we're not treated equally.
In an hour, we're going to go

1297
01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:47,159
outside. This is a big festival. The lay people have made out a

1298
01:53:47,359 --> 01:53:53,199
huge table of great food out there. We're going to line up in ordination

1299
01:53:53,399 --> 01:53:57,199
order. Men first in ordination order, then the nuns in ordination order,

1300
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,079
and anybody who got ordained today or
last couple of days, it is going

1301
01:54:00,119 --> 01:54:02,960
to be behind us. And we're
going to go out there with our begging

1302
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:06,239
balls. Looks like a bowling ball
spun aluminum. Right, We're going to

1303
01:54:06,279 --> 01:54:10,600
go out there begging balls. We're
going to put food into our begging bowls,

1304
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:13,359
and we're going to go sit down. The monks are going to be

1305
01:54:13,399 --> 01:54:15,680
at this nice, big long table, and the two or three or four

1306
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:19,720
nuns that might be here are going
to be put over here on a little

1307
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:25,199
card table together, the kid's table. Yeah, thank you. That's a

1308
01:54:25,239 --> 01:54:32,159
good way of saying it. And
there was no more questions. They moved

1309
01:54:32,199 --> 01:54:36,800
on to the next question. An
hour later, we went out to get

1310
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:44,880
the food, went lang order as
I talked about, and there were two

1311
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:48,880
American tie nuns and me, and
we were getting ready to sit down at

1312
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:56,199
the stinky little kids table, as
they say. And I glanced over at

1313
01:54:56,239 --> 01:55:00,560
the monk table and the monks were
pointing at the empty seats on there table.

1314
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:04,920
He says, they out I told
him it tied on, So I

1315
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:09,319
said, they out rank us.
We can't go over there. He says,

1316
01:55:09,359 --> 01:55:14,840
yes, we can't. They've invited
us. We're getting ready to sit

1317
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:16,279
down together with them, and he
said we shouldn't be doing this. I

1318
01:55:16,319 --> 01:55:21,319
said, honey, we just climbed
Everest. Mm hmm. I thought that

1319
01:55:21,479 --> 01:55:27,399
was the end of it. About
four months later, my a Lama comes

1320
01:55:27,439 --> 01:55:30,520
to down the guy to pick me
out of a crowd. I'm his duty

1321
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:33,359
driver. I'm driving around in my
Burgundy Saturn taking him to all his appointments.

1322
01:55:34,039 --> 01:55:38,119
And we're sitting at an eight minute
light in Rockville Pike in Maryland,

1323
01:55:39,439 --> 01:55:43,119
and out of nowhere, little five
off, five foot sawed off nothing.

1324
01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:45,640
Guys, sister, he says soul. I hear we have to lose the

1325
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:56,359
Asian baggage. Oh God, who
told you that? Oh? Three Buddhist

1326
01:55:56,439 --> 01:56:02,119
journalists that we're in the audience,
I read all of their articles in trouble

1327
01:56:02,479 --> 01:56:08,720
said no, you said the truth
is, I'm the one that told you

1328
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:13,159
that monks are not going to become
enlightened because they won't embrace their female energy

1329
01:56:13,159 --> 01:56:16,119
because there in a culture that says
a female birth is inferior birth. You

1330
01:56:16,199 --> 01:56:20,960
said the truth. You teach that
in your What you teach I said,

1331
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:26,279
better become more authority if it came
from you is I'm the head of Tibetan

1332
01:56:26,359 --> 01:56:30,439
Orthodox Buddhism North America. I can't
monkey with that politics but you can.

1333
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:34,600
And if it gets to cumbersome for
us, we can disavow you, but

1334
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:42,359
you teach it. So you just
got your teaching tonight, and I am

1335
01:56:42,399 --> 01:56:45,600
grateful. I must go and get
some sleep. Is this cold is just

1336
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:50,800
killing me here? All right,
my dear take care. That's vedigna everyone,

1337
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:56,680
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1338
01:56:56,760 --> 01:57:00,439
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1339
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1340
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