WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:09.519 I guess now is Andrew Riddle? He riddle, I'm sorry. He is 2 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:15.519 a CEO of Liberation Technology Services, a company at the forefront of cloud hosting 3 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:23.039 industry, and he's involved in cybersecurity, and he has contacted me. He 4 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:29.199 wanted to talk about artificial intelligence and the threats to us, and they are 5 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:32.920 tremendous threats to us. Thank you for joining us, Andrew, Well, 6 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:35.880 thank you so much for having me. Really looking forward to the conversation. 7 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.240 I am too, and I've had people on many times to talk about artificial 8 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:44.359 intelligence. I had a guy who was with a military industrial complex and they 9 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:47.920 were talking about the different modeling things that they were doing, and it was 10 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:52.280 very, very interesting. He even had concerns about even though he felt that 11 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:55.759 it was necessary in this arms race against tryinga to have all this stuff. 12 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.479 He says, well, I don't know how we actually once we turn over 13 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:02.479 control and it's inevitable going to turn control over in a warsenn area, how 14 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:04.560 do we stop it? How do we get control back? I don't know 15 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:07.359 yet. You know. So they're talking about this stuff and the question is 16 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.719 how do we get control back from these things? Let me let me as 17 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.200 we start here. Let me get your reaction to what I played earlier today. 18 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:21.239 I'm sure that you've maybe seen the announcement about Copilot for Microsoft, that 19 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:25.359 they're going to put artificial intelligence on your laptop. It's going to constantly be 20 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:30.040 taking screenshots of what you're doing and making assessments about what you want. You 21 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.000 know, of course, to be your friend and your servant, and it 22 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.400 will never violate your privacy. What do you think about that? Do you 23 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:40.480 think anybody wants this? Do you think anybody believes those promises? Well? 24 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:45.879 I think the scary fact of the matter is it's already happening. Microsoft is 25 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.560 just you know, openly acknowledging the fact that they're doing this, right. 26 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.319 We see this with TikTok, We see this with Google, We see this 27 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.719 with all these other companies that have integrated the AI and other you know, 28 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:02.000 data collection methods. It's, you know, TikTok a little known fact. 29 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:07.879 They access every single app on your device, and so you know they're they're 30 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.319 also looking at your banking apps, your financial apps, your health apps, 31 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:15.039 and all these other things. But I think it is concerning, you know, 32 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.800 the whether they're publicly acknowledging it, like Microsoft, or you know, 33 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.680 convertly doing it. I think that it is very concerning because with that sheer 34 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:30.840 amount of data, you know, the question lies what will they be able 35 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.439 to do with that? Right, it's not just to make suggestions, you 36 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:39.240 know, will they be able to then start subliminally targeting us with you know, 37 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.240 the obvious things like products and services, but you know, will they 38 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:50.840 be able to also start manipulating our behaviors, our actions throughout the day because 39 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:57.240 they know how in a subconscious level, we react to certain triggers and environments. 40 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:01.120 You know, Okay, they want everyone to to perform action a you 41 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.840 know, they know if they hit us with the right messaging or visuals or 42 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.560 audio or audible uh you know, methods, you know we'll react. Yeah, 43 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.120 they call it nudging. You know, they know how to give you 44 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:16.520 subtle pushes in different ways. They call it a nudge. And you know, 45 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:22.680 the whole artificial intelligence thing is based on scraping data from all over the 46 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:24.080 internet, so we know they're doing that. We know that everything just put 47 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:29.759 out there in social media is available to any government agency to scrape or any 48 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.000 company can scrape it there, so that part of it is not new. 49 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:36.719 I guess when I looked at the uh, the Microsoft Copilot, I thought, 50 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:42.360 oh great, now I get my own personal little Stasi spy to keep. 51 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:53.039 Before there was a large engagement from like the human element of a platform 52 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.719 that would have to say, okay, well this either violates terms of service 53 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:00.479 or hey, we want to push this narrative and thing like that. But 54 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.000 we're essentially now handing all of the data and all of the control over to 55 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:09.199 this AI. And you know, as you were saying just before the break, 56 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.759 you know, it isn't the terminator AI that we all think of, 57 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.680 but it is possible. You think Chad GBT launched less than a year ago, 58 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:23.839 and the developments that we've seen in the space since then are you know, 59 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.600 monumental. You know, what will this environment look like in twelve twenty 60 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:32.920 four to thirty six months. I think that's where we need to proactively start 61 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:39.160 thinking and start planning, because, yeah, we might not be able to 62 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.879 put the genie back in the bottle once it's activated, especially if you give 63 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.000 it a gun. Yeah, which they're doing. They're dying into flyplanes and 64 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.279 drop bombs and there's a gun, you know. And speaking of that, 65 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:53.959 there was an excellent novel that was written about twelve or thirteen years ago by 66 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:59.360 Daniel Suarez called Kill Decision, and it's about using AI and drones and how 67 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:03.920 disruptive and revolutionary that was going to be to the military industrial complex. And 68 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.639 my son just went back, who told me about that years ago and we 69 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:10.319 listened to it years ago, and he went back and listened to it again. 70 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:14.600 He said, you know, and that novel. What kicks it off 71 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:20.240 is the AI's ability to look at a picture and to make assessments about what 72 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:25.879 is in that picture, just as we saw demonstrated last week, and you 73 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:30.959 know, the open AI, the chat four to oh where you got. 74 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:33.680 You know, everybody's focusing on the voice of Scarlett Johansson, but it really 75 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:39.680 is concerning. Even though we know that it is a demo and there may 76 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.199 be some rigged aspects of it, it truly was pretty amazing what that was 77 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.000 able to do. And as you point out, there's been massive leaps and 78 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:51.160 what is the perceived capability of these systems? Yeah, you know, and 79 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:58.319 we've already seen that technology really get involved in this selection already. Yeah, 80 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.399 you know, in New Hampshire there was the Joe Biden deep fake where they 81 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:08.279 were able to you know, one of the Democratic challengers was able to persuade 82 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:13.319 voters not to go out and vote or to alter their vote because they got 83 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.240 a phone call from Joe Biden, right. And that's where it becomes so 84 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:24.839 concerning because there is very there's next to no oversight in this space, aside 85 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.319 from you know, these technology companies saying oh, well, we'll do better, 86 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:34.120 but there's really no oversight in steps put in place ahead of the election 87 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:39.199 to protect us against these types of threats. And you know, it's one 88 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.560 of those things as we've seen in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty you 89 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:46.360 know, trying to fix something after the fact. The courts, the public 90 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.920 opinions, you know, they're not going to deal with that. So you 91 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:56.160 know, there's a chance that we could see a deep fake give out false 92 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.959 information have a impact in the election, and everyone will just kind of throw 93 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.279 their hands up and say, well, we'll try not to let this happen 94 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:10.319 again. But the outcome of the election is still decided. And I think 95 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:13.839 it's important. You know, we've seen lies, manipulation, and propaganda. 96 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.279 It's always been there as part of an election. I think what is different 97 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.959 about this and I've mentioned this from the very beginning with artificial intelligence, even 98 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:26.319 when we had the chatbots that were hallucinating with stuff. Immediately, even though 99 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:30.240 they were coming up with these wile scenarios, people started backfilling and saying, 100 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:34.480 well, maybe this thing is really aware, you know, and anthropomorphizing it 101 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:39.519 and giving it credibility instead of looking at this and saying, this is a 102 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.439 bunch of crap. You know, because I started my first thing when I 103 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.759 interacted it was with it. I started talking to it about climate change or 104 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.839 about the Pfizer shot or something like that. You know. Of course it 105 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.120 kind of just shut me down. And so I was like, Okay, 106 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:54.360 I get this, it's just another control mechanism. But most people, I 107 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.360 think the real danger is the confidence that people will put in this. You 108 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.800 know. I was trained as an engineer, and we were always told from 109 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.199 the very beginning, garbage and garbage out. Don't trust this just because you've 110 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.560 got a computer print out. Don't trust it just because it's a model from 111 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.920 somebody. Because you can make the computer say anything that you want, it's 112 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:15.639 not necessarily right. And people shut down that critical thought. And I think 113 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.000 that's one of the most deceptive and dangerous things about artificial intelligence. I think 114 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.879 that's why it's important to talk about it. But let me ask you. 115 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:24.639 You know you mentioned earlier about putting the genie back in the bottle? What 116 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.720 can we do and what can we do proactively? Because this stuff is rapidly 117 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:35.440 evolving and people are looking at it in terms of we typically react after the 118 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.159 fact instead of saying, well, I know where this is going, so 119 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.960 let's put in some safeguards about this. Is there anything that we can or 120 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:45.519 should be doing in your opinion, yeah, So I think that we from 121 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:50.120 a market perspective, can really dictate the direction that AI goes. You know, 122 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.679 if products are being pushed, you know, without your consent, without 123 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.080 the ability to opt out, then my recommendation is vote with your dollars and 124 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.519 don't support those platforms. Right AI. The AI that we see today is 125 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.799 just a tool, and so it is as good or as bad as those 126 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.759 wielding it. And so at the end of the day, you know, 127 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.080 if Google is saying, hey, you're going to you know, accept Gemini. 128 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.679 Gemini is everywhere, same with Copilot, then use a different browser, 129 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.559 right one that is not forcing an AI on you. And if we see 130 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:33.440 you know, hundreds of millions of Americans start to change their behaviors, Well, 131 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:39.559 then those companies will start to reassess the implementation and how they're looking at 132 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:45.799 AI not as something that necessarily has to be pushed on every single person, 133 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:50.360 but something that individuals have the ability to opt into and to utilize. Right. 134 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.799 You know, it's one thing if you log in to chat GBT and 135 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.399 type in prompts and get responses, that is a opt in action. But 136 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:03.399 to say, you know, we're going to put an AI into the search 137 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.519 engine and it's going to track everything that you do, filter everything that you 138 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.480 see, present the narrative in the stories that we want you to see, 139 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:16.960 then we can't support that, right. You know, I think oftentimes people 140 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.279 think about making an impact in this nation as something they only do every two 141 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:24.840 years in an election. But we have the ability to vote with our wallets 142 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.120 and vote with our feet every single day. And if we actually get intentional 143 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.200 about that, you know, this is still very much a capitalistic society, 144 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.240 and those companies will will come to stark reality very very quickly. I agree. 145 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.039 I really endorse that what you just said, and we need to give 146 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:46.519 them the bud light treatment, you know, yeah, boycott them. And 147 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.519 you know, so often we look at things and say, well, you 148 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:52.519 know, I know they're going to be using this to mine data. I 149 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:58.000 know they're going to use it for anticipatory intelligence and geospatial intelligence and all these 150 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.879 other things as part of the surveillance state. Can we get the politicians to 151 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.960 put in some legislation is going to block all that? That isn't going to 152 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:11.399 happen. Most likely they haven't even address Section two thirty and reevaluating the broad 153 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.159 protections against lawsuit with many of these tech companies. Plus you look at it, 154 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.720 Google, AWS and some of the other big players. Those are the 155 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:24.120 biggest donors. And you know, elections almost a year after years, so 156 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.799 I think, you know what, I've come to the realization the Silicon Valley 157 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.840 companies are going to do everything that they can to keep the Democrats in power. 158 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.639 That's because they know that there's at least a chance, especially under Trump, 159 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:45.639 that Republicans will take up this issue and pass legislation to you know, 160 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.360 kind of balance out the playing field. And so they're going to fight like 161 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:54.000 hell to kind of keep their open payground for as long as possible. You 162 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.600 know, they play that. I think they play that game on both sides 163 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.039 though. I mean we just saw what speaker John's illium, Mike Well he 164 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:03.759 just did about FISA. You know, if we think that we're going to 165 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.120 stop anything, certainly at the federal level, people just need to look at 166 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:13.080 you know, that April twentieth where that four twenty what was he smoking where 167 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.840 he I think he was smoking rolled up one hundreds that he got from Silicon 168 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:22.320 Valley and the intelligence community and the military industrial complex for their wars for the 169 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:28.279 PAISA expansion because he extended it, and he expanded it, and so these 170 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.320 people are not open to shutting this down. I mean, he got twenty 171 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:37.000 million dollars in his first quarter as first full quarter as speaker, and so 172 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.799 you're right, they're giving them money. And I think the most effective thing 173 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:45.000 that we can do. I think what is important for grassroots change is to 174 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.559 expose our artificial intelligence for what it is. It's artificial, it's fake. 175 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.799 As I've been talking about this, and it's bias exactly biased pulled into it 176 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.720 in his leaders. Yeah yeah, yeah. And we've seen you know, 177 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:07.360 the the kind of toxic bias in you know culture via the Twitter files, 178 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.600 right, you know, if it is that bad at Twitter at the time, 179 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.639 who's to say it's not as bad or worse at Google or AWS and 180 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.240 Microsoft, And so you know, you have to look at that and understand 181 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.799 that bias. And I think that, you know, that's why we see 182 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:28.519 the onslaught of attacks from every single direction against Donald Trump, because at the 183 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.720 end of the day, you know, they realize Donald Trump is one of 184 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.360 those few politicians that is harder to manipulate, right. You know, you 185 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:41.759 do have the career politicians like Johnson, like McCarthy, you know where they're 186 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.039 they're pretty predictable. But then you know, you throw some of these other 187 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:50.360 elected officials in and you know there's more of a chance not saying they will 188 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.960 one hundred percent, but there's a higher chance that they will take up the 189 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.200 issues with Section two thirty. And that's what we have to hope for and 190 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:01.039 to also push on our elected officials to do. Yeah, I think that 191 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.279 is I would agree with you that Trump is unpredictable. I don't necessarily expect 192 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.639 him to keep any of his problem You got betterment in there, too, 193 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.759 And you know, we are seeing an age of you know, elected some 194 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:20.240 elected not necessarily following the standard playbook actually Soprise Entertainment. I agree. I 195 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:24.000 was absolutely surprised. You know, the Turks and Caicos where they've now arrested 196 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.159 five Americans because they found a bullet in their suitcase, not a gun, 197 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.200 but a bullet, and they're going to give them a mandatory minimum of twelve 198 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.159 years. They had a congressional delegation go down then Fetterman was one of them. 199 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:35.279 I thought, what is going on? I Maane to get his mind 200 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.679 back. What is happening with this guy? He seems to have completely changed 201 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.120 for the better in many different ways. I don't know, I haven't seen 202 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.879 everything that he's done. I'm not endorsing Fetterman, but I was surprised he 203 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.399 did the right thing. And look, I want to give people credit whenever 204 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.440 they do the right thing wherever they are. But I agree with you. 205 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.840 I think the key thing is that we have to get people to understand some 206 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:05.759 basic values have to be as opposed to the surveillance state has as much as 207 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.279 they are to you know, grooming of kids with this transgender thing. You 208 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.000 know, if we want to get them to reject this stuff like they rejected 209 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.879 bud Light, we have to have them as much in favor of privacy and 210 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.480 free speech as they are in favor of parental rights and things like that. 211 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.320 So there's the problem is the reason that people are not pushing back against it. 212 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.759 A. They don't understand the danger of it. B. They don't 213 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.120 understand how deceptive it is. And see, they don't really embrace the values 214 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:39.559 of privacy. They're not opposed to the surveillance state as much as they need 215 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.080 to be. They don't understand the dangers of that. I think that's one 216 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.679 of the key things. And I agree with you. I think we're not 217 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.080 going to be able to get the federal government to do anything, but we 218 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:54.879 can have We have a tremendous amount of power if we can muster public opinion 219 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.720 to support the good things and to oppose the bad things, and just to 220 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:03.240 be vaulted by this as much as we are. By Dylan mulvany, which 221 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:08.200 rul well, yeah, I think that it's it's a very interesting situation. 222 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:15.639 That's exactly why we found a liberation to protect people's data, to restore their 223 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:22.080 right to privacy, to not no longer collect and monitor and monetize their information 224 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.600 and online habits. But you know, you look at this and I think 225 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.639 that there is a real wave because we have to think about it in a 226 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:34.840 larger scope. The left has been activated and mobilized, you know, pushing 227 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:41.200 these ideologies for over twenty plus years, you know, with with soros Arabella 228 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.840 and all of these other institutions. You know, Conservatives, we've actually been 229 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.679 re engaged for only about three and a half four years at this point, 230 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:56.080 and so you know, we are over a decade behind, but can quickly 231 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.679 make up the ground. And you know, for the average, every day 232 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:03.960 a marriag. You know, most of these issues don't impact us in our 233 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.960 homes, right, but we do see that it is, in my opinion, 234 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:14.559 kind of causing a degrading societal impact and moving us away from the founding 235 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.559 principles of this nation. And so it might not impact you every single day, 236 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:22.440 but that does not mean you should sit on the sidelines. Like let's 237 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:27.759 be honest. You look at the kids at Columbia and NYU. They probably 238 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:32.680 couldn't even put out point out Gauz on a map if they tried, but 239 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:40.920 they have this tendency of mobilization that they are are being fed I think garbage 240 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:45.559 information, but that is still causing them to be mobilized and getting out and 241 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:51.599 you know, exercising their First Amendment rights to a degree, and you know, 242 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:57.319 trying to impact political change and so on the Christian and conservative side, 243 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:02.000 the libertarian side, we have to realize that, you know, we can't 244 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.359 sit highly by and think that Donald Trump is going to save us or the 245 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.160 Republican Party is get to save us. No, it's going to take every 246 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:12.200 single one of us to be activated fifteen minutes a day, whether it's through 247 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:18.359 talking to your neighbors or or you know, spending your dollars with aligned companies. 248 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.759 I agree, and that's how we actually save this nation. Yeah, 249 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.559 this is all thing. It's going to be from the bottom up. You 250 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.039 know, it's not going to be from the top down. And it's going 251 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:32.319 to be being an awareness that the little things that you do, as you 252 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.960 point out, talking to your neighbor, getting them disavowed from this almost a 253 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.519 superstitious awe of what artificial intelligences. I've got an email question that was sent 254 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:47.680 to us. It says, do you think that this is from Johnny said? 255 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:51.680 Do you think the AI is as good as it seems? And I've 256 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.079 talked about that a little bit you know, what is your assessment of this 257 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.759 as somebody's in cybersecurity, tell us, you know exactly what. I read 258 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.359 an article yesterday about a guy he said, I tried to explain this to 259 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.000 people, and he said, the way I look at it, he said, 260 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:07.000 it's it's like a matrix, he said, it doesn't even understand a 261 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:10.200 question. You know, it doesn't know that it's getting a question. It 262 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.279 just looks at those words and a kind of process that processes that in a 263 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:17.759 language model, and and then it compares that to other matrices and tries to 264 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:19.640 come up with the best fit. And that's how how it does it. 265 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.799 From his explanation, Uh and and so it's a you know, it's it's 266 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.920 kind of a different way of programming than most of us are thinking about, 267 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:36.319 like some kind of procedural if then statement is comparing these different massive amounts of 268 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:38.160 data that it's gotten. It's comparing that to what you're asking it to come 269 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.799 up with a question. But it's not really thinking, it's not really understanding. 270 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.160 It's just kind of, you know, comparing this stuff and a very 271 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.200 very fast rate. Is that in your understanding? Is that correct? Or 272 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:52.799 am I am I wrong? Is there a better way to look at this. 273 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.240 How would you describe that? Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair 274 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.480 way to describe it. You know, it's based taking a massive amount of 275 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:07.720 data and looking for similar answers that have been rated, you know, highly 276 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:12.240 by previous users. And so you know, that's how it's It's taking information 277 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:19.640 from past experiences and past responses and then saying, Okay, well, based 278 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.799 on this, it's a ninety nine percent match previous question. That person liked 279 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.200 it, So I'm going to give that to you. Right, That's a 280 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.960 very rudimentary way of thinking it. You know, the scale is massive, 281 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.480 but you also have to remember, you know, AI is really in its 282 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:40.079 infancy still, you know, and you think about everything that it can do 283 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:44.920 today. You know, in some ways, I guess what your your listener 284 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.839 was asking, I would ask them in what regards, right, you know, 285 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:53.720 if it's Google Gemini's ability to generate an image off of a prompt, 286 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:59.160 I would say it's an F because I'm not aware of a black pope ever 287 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.160 being you know, in charge of the church, or you know, an 288 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:08.279 African American female being in charge being a founding father. Yeah, so you 289 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.400 know, I give them an F. But you know, for for AI's 290 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:19.400 ability to maybe identify underlying health risks and individuals, or being able to help 291 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.960 synthesize a large amount of data into simple synopsis. I think that it is 292 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.200 a great tool. Yeah, right, And I think that you have to 293 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:33.160 look at it not just as this one giant kind of instance, but you 294 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:38.240 know, there are different use cases and I think ultimately the folks that are 295 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:42.880 behind it and the ways that it's being implemented because it is just a tool, 296 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.359 really help answer that question. I agree. Yeah, when you talk 297 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.000 about something like, you know, the the racial misappropriation, I guess we'd 298 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.519 call it of Gemini. That was a wonderful thing for people to see because 299 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.319 when you're talking about something that is political, something where they can put in 300 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.599 a bias, they put it in and people need to be able to see 301 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.519 that. And just one of those pictures is worth a thousand words, but 302 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.640 they did thousands of pictures of that kind of nonsense, and I think people 303 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.200 that's I think one of the most effective ways to show how they can build 304 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.920 bias into this. Now, when you're talking about something like building a circuit 305 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.839 or doing some programming or something like that, they're not trying to build a 306 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.559 bias into it yet, and so for those types of things it could be 307 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:32.440 very very useful. And if they didn't put that handpicked bias into some of 308 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.720 this other stuff, it might be a lot more useful for those other things. 309 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:40.920 But people, so warning to people that be careful, use this at 310 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.720 your at your own risk, because especially when it comes into anything that is 311 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.920 political, they are going to be inserting those biases. They pay people a 312 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.400 lot of money to insert those biases, and and and to you know, 313 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:57.640 I guess weight a different set of answers, a different answer matrix or something 314 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.000 to push. Yeah, And I'll get to that in a second. But 315 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.400 I think I just thought of one great example and how we use AI to 316 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.599 benefit the individual but if they elect to take advantage of it. We have 317 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:17.839 a product called Liberation Campaign, and it's an alternative to mail chimping constant contact 318 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:22.279 for those that don't want to fight their email marketing platform to land in the 319 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.880 inbox. And so we have two different tools, one that looks at a 320 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:30.240 subject line and one that looks at the actual content of your email, and 321 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:34.920 it will say, hey, we know what Gmail is flagging, what their 322 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:41.039 AI is flagging as spam and you know, putting down into the undelivered space 323 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.039 or Yahoo and all those kind of things, and it says, hey, 324 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:48.680 here's your score, right, here's how you can improve it to get around 325 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:53.200 Google and Yahoo's and Microsoft's spam filters. And so that I think is a 326 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.079 great example. And you know, it's one of those things it's unbiased. 327 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.880 It's here's the data. You can use it, you cannot use it. 328 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.880 I've heard from so many people though that are like, I'm hearing back from 329 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.440 folks that I haven't heard from in over a decade, wow, or in 330 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.160 you know, a year, five years, and so it's amazing that it's 331 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:17.319 reaching their inbox and they're getting you know, forty fifty sixty percent open rates 332 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:18.920 and all that, and they're like, I had no idea that a tool 333 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.920 like this existed. But you know, going back to what you were just 334 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.720 saying, it's kind of I mean to say, it's kind of like electronic 335 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.160 measures and the encountermeasures and then countercountermeasures. They're going to be a constant back 336 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.359 and forth to try to stay on at one step ahead of their censoring algorithms. 337 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:36.680 But that's that's really good. I like the fact that you're doing that 338 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.519 because we know that they try to shut down our reach and so many different 339 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.480 places in so many different ways. Yeah, we saw it with the RNC 340 00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:48.680 in twenty twenty two selection where their deliverability rates felt to about thirty percent. 341 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.559 That means seventy percent of the folks that have signed up to receive their emails 342 00:24:53.559 --> 00:25:00.079 aren't getting any sort of information from them. I was speaking with another Christian 343 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:06.240 group and they were just put on notice and pause. They were sending ten 344 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.559 million emails a month, almost daily, and they were put on notice. 345 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.640 They weren't given a reason, they were just kind of told terms and conditions, 346 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.039 and you know it went into you know, a long review process, 347 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:22.200 and you know you have to look at that and really start to say, 348 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.400 okay, well, if these technology companies have a bias and they're using AI 349 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:32.880 which is able to detect flag and you know suspend without any sort of human 350 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:37.720 intervention, you know, how can that that impact our upcoming election? And 351 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:42.319 you know, you look at Gemini being implemented into the entire Google ecosystem, 352 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:48.880 so your email, your your Microsoft files or excuse me, your Google files, 353 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.720 your YouTube, you know, all these different things. Gemini is now 354 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.640 integrated as of last week into everything. Wow. Right, and you started 355 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.799 to think about it, there's over two billion people that visit that homepage every 356 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.799 single day. Right. You know if they start saying, well, if 357 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:11.119 you're conservative, because we have access to your voting in political registrations, you 358 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.680 know, we're gonna make it really hard for you to find your voting precinct. 359 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.519 But if you're a Democrat, every time you log onto our homepage, 360 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:19.839 we're going to say you haven't voted. Go vote, Go vote, go 361 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.960 vote. Find your location it's right here. Why aren't you doing this? 362 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:26.519 Hey pop up reminder? You're driving by your polling location. You need to 363 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.160 go and do this right now. And you know they can do that. 364 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.279 A guy. We just had a guy who got a jail sentence because he 365 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.880 did it as a joke. Oh, if you're a Democrat, make sure 366 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.119 that you vote on Wednesday or whatever. And there was a black woman. 367 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:41.880 I guess, no problem because of Gemini. There's a black woman who did 368 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.240 the same joke in the opposite direction. If you're Republican, don't forget to 369 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.279 vote on Wednesday or whatever. They sent him to jail. They gave her 370 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.480 a pass. You know, you mentioned mail Chip, and we started our 371 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:57.079 experience with Mailchip with this show was I know him on the list? We 372 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:03.119 started to put our we got an account, we set the thing up, 373 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.119 we started loading in our contact list, and they shut us down even before 374 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:11.279 we were able to do our first email. They shut us down. It's 375 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.920 absolutely amazing the amount of censorship that is out there, the amount of profiling 376 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.480 and information that is out there already. But yeah, we can't even use 377 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:26.480 it to get started. Yeah, and then Google and Yahoo implemented new protocols 378 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.440 as of February that are going to make it just easier and easier for their 379 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.240 ais to flag people and shut them down. You know, the idea that 380 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:40.680 a New York Post article on Hunter Biden could get out in this upcoming election, 381 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.279 you know, no one's going to even see it. It won't even 382 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:48.119 reach the Internet or you know the conservative viewers, right, you know they're 383 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:52.240 going to shut it down with the AI because they have a near one hundred 384 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.440 percent success rate if they decide to do something like that. And so you 385 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.599 think about it. Back to the twenty twenty election, it was something like 386 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:03.519 fourteen percent of surveyed Democrats said that if they would have known about that story 387 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.960 and about the allocations. They would have never voted for Joe Biden. And 388 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.079 so you look at it right there, that one action, that one suppression 389 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.839 of a valid information. You know, even though they labeled it misinformation. 390 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:23.759 You know that outcome was decided by Google and Twitter and those folks because those 391 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:26.960 Democrats would not have voted Joe Biden, would not have one and we would, 392 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:32.160 I think, be in a very different position you know today. Yeah, 393 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.359 oh absolutely, yeah, your your company is going to really be vital, 394 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.880 I think in terms of getting around this because you know, we've had 395 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.039 this competition and in the free market what people say on social media was just 396 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.960 too damaging for their professional journalists and Everything's why they began the massive censorship, 397 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.920 the shadow banning, the canceling, and all the rest of the stuff that 398 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.000 we saw on social media. Yeah, and you know, when you think 399 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:57.039 about social media, like I agreed, there shouldn't be blatant misinformation, right 400 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:02.319 saying go vote on Wednesday when you know your your election day is on Tuesday. 401 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:06.599 That that's not information we need out on the internet. Granted, you 402 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:11.559 know, if someone does that, everyone should be treated equally. There should 403 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.440 be a fair level of judgment on that. But at the same time, 404 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:22.680 you know, a lot of these technology companies are suppressing valid alternative informations, 405 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.680 you know, the other side of the coin kind of concept where you know, 406 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.240 you saw during COVID, you know, there were Harvard and Stanford rated 407 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.799 doctors that were saying or that we're getting completely censored, you know, and 408 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:40.160 they were putting out peer reviewed data and they were just like, no, 409 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:45.440 that's misinformation. No, that's just an alternative view, and it's alternative opinion. 410 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:49.039 And that's the whole concept that you know, our founding fathers laid out 411 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.519 when they wrote the First Amendment, you know, the ability for each and 412 00:29:53.599 --> 00:30:00.480 every one of us to hear information and make our own informed decisions. Right, 413 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.720 they're removing that ability for us to think critically, I believe. Yeah, 414 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.720 they don't want any debate and they haven't wanted any debate on climate stuffy 415 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.480 And we saw the same thing happen again with COVID, So you know, 416 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:17.480 when we look at this, the interesting thing about all this is the fact 417 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:22.599 that they have a monopoly and that they've been granted this the facto monopoly. 418 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.440 But in many ways it's explicit, isn't it. And Now, as I 419 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.519 mentioned earlier, we've got sam Altman and a lot of these companies because they 420 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:37.680 do so much data scraping, they use these massive GPUs. That's why you 421 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.559 know, this pattern matching has got to be super fast, tremendous power requirements. 422 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:47.799 You've now got these big data companies that are going out to they're creating 423 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:52.559 their own power plants, their own nuclear power plants, because they understand that 424 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.759 our government is trying to shut down power generation. But they're going to be 425 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.839 essentially allowed to have I think, a monopoly on power, electrical power, 426 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.960 not just political power, and not just a monopoly on speaking. They're actually 427 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.400 going to have a monopoly now I think on electrical power generation if they continue 428 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.119 to shut down all of our different power stations. Yeah, and it's surely 429 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.680 it's actually a global issue. You know, in twenty twenty one we slid 430 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.440 Singapore shut down, Ireland shut down, twenty twenty two, I believe South 431 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.559 Africa shut down. You know, there are parts of the United States where 432 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.680 they're just saying, you can't build any more data centers because they are unable 433 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.039 you know, the local municipalities, the power companies, they're not able to 434 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.240 build power plants fast enough. You know, right now they only account for 435 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:45.039 about fifty or excuse me, like three to five percent of power consumption here 436 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.920 in the United States. But the way that they're starting to build these facilities 437 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:56.000 with AI in mind and just larger and larger and more ever consuming kind of 438 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.359 concepts. You know, yeah, we're running out of power availability in the 439 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.960 grid for new data centers, and so yeah, the Microsoft is talking about 440 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.000 building many miniature nuclear reactors next to their data centers. Yeah, you know, 441 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:13.119 we have some really interesting things that you know, we'll have to come 442 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.480 back on and share when it's officially public. But we're kind of going the 443 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.319 opposite way. We're saying we can actually do this more efficiently build and operate 444 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.519 data centers, and it's by just looking at it through a slightly different lens, 445 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.440 and instead of us having to build giant nuclear reactors, we can actually 446 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:36.079 operate unintentionally a more green operation because we just strip out all the wasteful components 447 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.240 of a data center. Yeah. Yeah, it's this brute force aspect of 448 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.400 it. And of course one of the ways they want to sell CBDC is 449 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.000 to say, well, we're going to use less power than the crypto stuff. 450 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:51.039 Venezuela is concerned because they're small grid that they've got there. Even though 451 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.359 they jumped on the cryptocurrency thing in twenty twenty, they just put out a 452 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.480 thing saying that you're not we're banning crypto mining because it uses too much power. 453 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.920 Some of these things are viewed by the regime as bad because it's a 454 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.880 competition to their CBDC. Do not use a power for cryptocurrency. But yes, 455 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.200 if you want to use it to spy on people. If I wanted 456 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.960 to keep a dossier on everybody in store everything that everybody's had, and do 457 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.480 it in the desert, that's fine. They can use as much power and 458 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.160 water as they want, and if these crypto companies want to do it, 459 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.160 will allow them to build whatever kind of power supply plant they want, and 460 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.839 you know, we'll give them those kinds of powers and we won't second guess 461 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.480 their power generation plan. I mean, can you imagine the kind of permitting 462 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.079 that anybody else would have to go through. But I think they're going to 463 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:43.839 sweep all that stuff away for Sam Altman and their friends and this crony capitalist 464 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.200 society. I think, yeah, And you know, it's just a we 465 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:52.519 see the space doubling almost every two and a half years, which blows past 466 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:58.400 you know, traditional economic models which say it should double every five years. 467 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.359 And so you know, we are in this kind of interesting paradox. But 468 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.079 at the same time, you know, there has to be a demand for 469 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:13.960 all that compute and all that information that is being generated by these data centers. 470 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.360 And so it's simply a matter of fact. You know, if you 471 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.760 don't like what's going on, stop giving them your money. It's pretty pretty 472 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:29.119 simple. They can't build massive data centers if you know, the population is 473 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.320 starting to come back and saying, well, we don't want your AI in 474 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.440 every single aspect of our lives, so we're going to go and do business 475 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.599 elsewhere. Well, then the demand drops off, and then the financing drops 476 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.920 off, and then you know, they stop building these data centers. So 477 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.400 you saw Amazon actually halt many of their projects over the course of the last 478 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:53.960 two years because they saw that decrease in demand. And I think it's encouraging 479 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.760 for us to look at the amount of impact that we can have when you 480 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.320 look get the agenda to replace all internal combustion engines and to ban them, 481 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.000 right, and we're going to make everybody drive an EV even though they don't 482 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.840 have enough power to drive everything. Right, We have always said that to 483 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.400 people. It's like, fine, I don't care what you drive. The 484 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.360 government cares what you drive. And even if you get an EV, they're 485 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.000 going to cut down the power grids so you won't be able to drive it, 486 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.400 and they'll have you use it as a battery to back them up, 487 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.199 that type of thing. But as we look at that, people are saying, 488 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.320 well, you know, I've got issues with the range, I've got 489 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.599 issues with the expense. I can't really afford the expense. So this people 490 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.159 were just not buying them for whatever reason. And so the marketplace has really 491 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:42.239 in this one area that they have pushed so hard that they have subsidized trillions 492 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.519 of dollars, and they have wanted since I was in high school and they 493 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.039 had the first Earthday. They want to get rid of the private car, 494 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.480 and they've pushed this agenda so much, and yet people have said, no, 495 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.599 we're not going to go any further. And the companies that were on 496 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.079 board with all that because they just want to make money, they want to 497 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.400 have the favor of the government, and so they were all on board with 498 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.679 that, they were realizing that hey, first of all, they're losing money 499 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.519 and unbelievable amounts, and it will be the end of the road for Ford 500 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.920 and the rest of these Mercedes and the rest of these car companies if they 501 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.880 decide that they really want to compete on this ev with China, because China 502 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.639 has been given all adult all the cards in terms of cheap energy, in 503 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.320 terms of minerals that they have and Trump people. But you also still have 504 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.280 you know, buildings falling over, sitting vacant in China. Just because China 505 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.440 is doing it does not mean it's done well or done with a purpose. 506 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.920 Right at the end of the day, what you're describing is capitalism one oh 507 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:45.000 one. You know, I do still believe though, you know, diversification 508 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.239 of your power generation and everything like that. You know, if you want 509 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.840 to slap a little turbine on your house, great, if you want to 510 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:54.480 put a solar panel on top of your house, great. You know, 511 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.920 I think that where it's I think it needs to be made available for the 512 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.559 consumer to decide and free will. I don't think, you know, some 513 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:07.400 of the aspects of green agenda are necessarily a bad thing, But I think 514 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.960 where it's being. When it's mandated, that's where it completely steps over the 515 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.440 line. That's when it really infringes not only on our liberties, but the 516 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:22.360 concept of capitalism as a whole. You know, diversification is never a bad 517 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:29.800 thing having you know, electric cars for those that it suits them, right, 518 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.559 you know, that is their decision. If you know, they just 519 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:35.920 drive five miles up the road every single day and they're just putting it around 520 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.800 great and ev is a great option for them, right. You know, 521 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.920 it makes more of oil available for my vehicle, right, and more gasoline. 522 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.519 So, you know, I think that diversification is not a bad thing. 523 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.920 I don't think that, you know, on many of these issues there 524 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.400 has to be a hard left or a hard right, you know. I 525 00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:00.920 think that, you know, the capitalistic model will always is rain true, 526 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:05.599 whether it's in technology or automobiles and everything else. And so you know, 527 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:10.239 that's what we're really trying to do at Liberation is create that diversification. You 528 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.840 know, for folks that want to get off of go to Edy, that 529 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.320 want to get off of Google Cloud, that want to get off of Gmail 530 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.559 and constant contact and Mailchimp. You know, we've built a lot of those 531 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.960 everyday tools so that you know, you can make your own decision. You 532 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.920 know, if you want the AI spying on your life and making every suggestion 533 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.079 for you, great, yeah, but if not, you can come over 534 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:35.920 to us. That's right. I agree. Yeah. Technology is a tool. 535 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.440 It can be used good or bad. And if people got a choice, 536 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:44.360 and if it's not centrally planned and centrally controlled, that's where the danger 537 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.920 comes in. As you're pointing out, you know, the China poor construction, 538 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:51.920 the building's falling over. That's part of the the crony capitalism, the 539 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.280 central planning and that type of thing, and it's what we see being pushed 540 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.880 towards us in many aspects of our life. They don't want to have that 541 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.119 diversifications like well, if you want to have a gas range, no you 542 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.599 can't have that. You're going to have only what I say. You know, 543 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.599 so we got our government is out there now trying to design things and 544 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.400 push an agenda. I agree. You know, if you've got solar panels 545 00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.599 as to get off of the grid, hey, that's super. It's going 546 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.280 to be more expensive do that. But of course, certain things like privacy 547 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.440 and independence are going to come at a cost. And people can make that 548 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:30.519 decision, and we should have access to a lot of different types of technology. 549 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:35.440 It's the governments that want to dictate to us you will have one solution, 550 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.519 and that's the only thing that you'll have. You know, that's what 551 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:45.880 sign Being a former politico, being a former federal employees serving at the White 552 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:52.320 House for four years, you know, you see all the time these folks 553 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.760 come in and set unrealistic timelines, and so I think that's really what it 554 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.440 is. Right. You know, if if you were a gas news in 555 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.280 them and you're saying we're going to do one hundred percent electric in the state 556 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:09.280 of California, then you need to be realistic, Okay by twenty four hundred. 557 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.679 Well that's that's our goal, right, Like setting it out long enough 558 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.639 so that you have time to build the infrastructure and everything like that. Saying 559 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:23.400 twenty thirty they can't even finish an interstate in that amount of time, let 560 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:30.239 alone an overhaul of their entire electrical grid. So you know, it's the 561 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.280 initiative is doomed before it even gets launched. That's a good news. The 562 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.800 bad news is there's going to be an awful lot of wealth transferred to his 563 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.719 pals, which that might be the actual goal and all that stuff anyway, 564 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.639 So what can the average American do to protect themselves against this kind of surveillance. 565 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.519 You've got some tools that you have there at Liberty. We've got a 566 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:58.079 lot of great tools. You know, we've got an option if you want 567 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.159 to move your website, if you want to get an email with us, 568 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.800 if you want to get off of Microsoft Teams or Google Workplace, store your 569 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.079 video files, you know, replace zoom. We've got a lot of great 570 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:14.320 tools there, and we've got an alternative to Mailchimp and constant contact to go 571 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:19.239 Daddy and Wix website builder. We've really focused on what does the everyday man 572 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.039 need? And you know, where's zero knowledge. So we do not mind 573 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:28.599 monitor or monetize anyone's information. But it's not just about what we're doing at 574 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.800 Liberations. You know, go look at Freedom Chamber of Commerce, Go look 575 00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.199 at Public Square, go look at Red Balloon. You know, there are 576 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:40.880 all these different ways that you can pick an alternative in your day to day 577 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.880 life. And that's just good market competition. You know, almost being four 578 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:51.000 years in since this movement really started, there are a lot of products and 579 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:57.199 services out there now that are ideologically aligned with you know, the more conservative 580 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:02.400 values, and you know they're better or there I would oftentimes say equal or 581 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.199 sometimes even better than what we see coming out of Silicon Valley. And So 582 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.639 if this matters to you, instead of you know, sitting there being upset 583 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.440 about, you know, the way that this nation is going and Google spying 584 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.119 on you and all of that, take five minutes and sign up for an 585 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:27.280 alternative right, start taking action and control of your life. Start start taking 586 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:32.960 the reins back, and don't let technology companies in the government make those decisions 587 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.519 for you. But if you're happy with it, keep doing what you're doing. 588 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.519 That is your own prerogative and decision. If you like being controlled and 589 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:46.280 manipulated, that's fine, But we want to stand here as an alternative that 590 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.760 will protect your ideology and your values. Yeah, it's usually it's coming from 591 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.639 their angle. It's not that we're dissatisfied. They just don't like me. 592 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.519 They shut me down. So I'm really happy that you're putting this type of 593 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:00.639 thing out there. I think it's very import and I think it's going to 594 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:07.719 increasingly be spreading out to all kinds of people, even people that don't have 595 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.280 a program that they do on a regular basis. Years ago, we had 596 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.880 George Gilder and he wrote a book Life After Google, and he said, 597 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.079 you know, I think this whole model of Google and he called the people 598 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.960 in Silicon Valley, called them neo Marxist and he said, you know, 599 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.280 I think their whole business model is flawed. And he said, I think 600 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:31.239 that there's going to be a marketplace for people who don't add privacy on as 601 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:35.079 an afterthought. They don't put it on as a bag on the side. 602 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.320 It is fundamental to the way the product is designed. Is that kind of 603 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:44.599 your approach of what you're doing exactly? And you know, what we're really 604 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.280 trying to do is just restore common sense into the marketplace. Right, should 605 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:57.440 we, as a provider be spying and reselling your information without your real consent? 606 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.880 Right? Yeah, we all accept the terms and condition, but no 607 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:06.239 one actually realizes what rights we're giving up there. So you know, those 608 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.119 things and then they change them and here in the middle of door, you 609 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:10.639 got to check the box and you don't read them. By the time you 610 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.840 would finish it, they would change it all over again. You know, 611 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.280 those one hundred and two hundred page documents, and you know, I think 612 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:22.840 that it's right. You know, we're just serving that alternative because you know, 613 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:28.280 they are so big that they can be toppled without you know, much 614 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.320 effort. Right. You take Google, They're making over one hundred and fifty 615 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:37.679 billion dollars annually off of data monetization. Right. If the US government comes 616 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.840 in and says, hey, you can't just steal people's data and sell it 617 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.000 to anyone anymore, well, they're going to really have to rethink their model, 618 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:52.159 and they might have grown too large to support themselves. And so hypothetically 619 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:58.079 the giant will tumble and it'll come down hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 620 00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.400 it's it's a very dangerous thing that these people putting together, the people 621 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:07.000 that are pushing artificial intelligence, they're also pushing a universal basic income. They 622 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:14.639 see that as integral to their success, as they see the necessity for having 623 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:19.079 their own nuclear power plant to run their GPUs and stuff like that. And 624 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.239 this is something that I've seen. I remember when Bloomberg was running for office, 625 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.360 and I talked about this yesterday, So I won't go into detail on 626 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.559 it, but he was talking about how, yeah, we have to have 627 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.159 universal basic income. That's when he trashed the farmers and stuff, but he 628 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.119 was talking about the agrarian versus the industrial revolution, and he said, now 629 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.519 the smart ones of us are trying to take everybody's jobs. And that's exactly 630 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:46.079 what Sam Altman is saying. And you've got in the UK, Jeffrey was 631 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.239 a Jeffrey Hinton. I think they called him the godfather of AI. I 632 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.800 had not seen his name before, but he was there doing the same thing 633 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.840 in the UK that Sam Altman is doing here, saying we've got to hook 634 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.960 universal basic income in here because we were going to be intruding in so many 635 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.280 different spaces, that this is the way that we keep society from turning on 636 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.800 us. What do you think about that aspect of it, Well, I 637 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.239 think that it goes back to the fact that you know, it is another 638 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:21.800 tool and mechanism of control. Right, It's plain and simple. If we 639 00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:27.880 allow for them to continue to take more and more and you know, reduce 640 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:32.400 the diversification in a space or in a market, you know that that's where 641 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:37.599 things get really hairy. And you know the next step, in my assumption 642 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:43.119 would be they just put AI in control of this entire government, right, 643 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.519 And I'm sure the Democrats would love that because then they wouldn't have to listen 644 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:52.079 to Joe Biden stumble through his speeches anymore. But you know, that is 645 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.360 kind of the trajectory that they're trying to take us down, where you know, 646 00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.239 would I be surprised in the next three to five years to hear Democrats 647 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:05.599 calling for AI to run many aspects of the government. No, I wouldn't 648 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.639 be surprised that they do it before this election cycle is over. And so, 649 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.280 you know, I think that's one thing we have to really be concerned 650 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.360 about. You know, if they say, well, we can have objectivism, 651 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.440 you know, you can have an objective judge and a jury, So 652 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.840 we just make the AI the judge and the jury, it's like whoa. 653 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.800 That's why people need to understand the bias and how easily it can be built 654 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.719 in to the artificial intelligence I think, right, because any with the AI, 655 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:37.039 the general information models that we have today there they're just large kind of 656 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.039 guidelines, a lot of data, and then the bias that was built into 657 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.719 it by the people that founded and constructed these models. You know, those 658 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:52.320 are biases. The next step is, you know, it becomes a sentient, 659 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.920 self aware instance and then we're in terminator land. So you know, 660 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.440 you really have to want how far are we willing to go? How much 661 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:07.159 of the genie are we allowing out of the bottle before we start saying, 662 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:13.320 okay, let's take some time reassess this, right. You know, they 663 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.840 want to implement AI so it can replace the workforce. I heard of one 664 00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:23.920 company who's massively integrating AI and they're reducing their workforce by about twenty percent annually, 665 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.639 so in five years they're going to be down to an absolute skeleton crew. 666 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:34.519 And then yeah, that universal basic income becomes a requirement because it's now 667 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:40.880 welfare because no one is employed because AI has been integrated strictly for profits into 668 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.880 every single business and many of the entry level and mid level jobs have been 669 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.960 just completely replaced as a massive wealth transfer. And in order for them to 670 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.360 do that, they have to make us dependent on them. And so you're 671 00:48:55.440 --> 00:49:00.760 right, it is welfare. And that's the problem with all highs of welfare. 672 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.320 It always is masked as if it were compassion, but it's always ultimately 673 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:10.320 about dependency and creating creating that making people helpless and dependent on the government, 674 00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.599 and you lose your skills to be able to feed yourself. You know, 675 00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:15.719 it's kind of a feeding people by hand, the same way that you would 676 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:22.519 tame a wild animal. Yeah, you know, and you think about you 677 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:28.360 know, universal basic income, and I would question your listeners to really explain, 678 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:35.079 how does it really different differ from the ideology of Lenin and Stalin's communism 679 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:39.960 where everyone is equal, everyone is taken care of, everyone gets gets you 680 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.960 know, money and the profits and rewards of the economy, and so from 681 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:52.039 that concept, how is it really different? And then remind me again, 682 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:58.679 you know, the USS foul or USSR fell because it ran out of money, 683 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:06.519 because the Oligo took everything consolidated, created a population that could barely afford 684 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:10.360 to feed themselves. Agree, and yeah, it's failed time and time again. 685 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.599 You know, slapping lipstick on a pig does not make it a new 686 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:22.280 concept. It's just it's just, you know, the same pieces of history 687 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.079 repeating themselves over and over again, just under a new name. I agree, 688 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:29.079 Yeah, that was part of that was really actually the reason why George 689 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.159 Gilder called them the neo Marxist. He said, Karl Marx believed with the 690 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:37.679 Industrial Revolution that they had infinite material capacity. They could manufacture anything that they 691 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.719 wanted to, So the only thing that was left was how do we distribute 692 00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.320 this? Right, that's why you have the redistribution of wealth at the center 693 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.639 of it all. And he said, and that's the conceit of these people 694 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:52.159 in Silicon Valley. They believe that they have unlimited material resources, that they 695 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.840 can manufacture anything, and all they have to do is figure out how to 696 00:50:55.079 --> 00:51:00.280 reallocate that. But their goal is in order to pass us so they can 697 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.079 continue on with their game. And that's the thing that is really different about 698 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.400 it that we hadn't seen in America prior. You know, Henry Ford, 699 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:12.400 with all of his pluses and his minus is one of the things he said 700 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.880 was I want to make a car that my people work in the factory can 701 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.639 afford to buy. Well, they don't want to have people around, and 702 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.400 they're not interested in selling cars to their robots. You know. They just 703 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.840 want to get us out of the way, and they will do whatever they 704 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:32.239 can. And it's interesting because I would ask the tens of thousands of employees 705 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:37.280 that have been laid off by Google, by Tesla, by Amazon, by 706 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:39.559 you know, all these other Silicon Valleys, Now, how do you really 707 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:45.119 feel about that? How's that working out for you? Because now they are 708 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:50.239 beginning to consume their own and so I think that to your point, the 709 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:57.599 system will fall because it has lost core principles in morals. Yes, and 710 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:01.480 now they are just trying to constantly figure out how they make a greater profit 711 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.800 year over year instead of how do you create a great product, a great 712 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:13.079 company that is here to serve your customers and become sustainable, right, and 713 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.519 being able to take care of your employees and provide them the lifestyles and the 714 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:22.920 American treat So, you know, I think that it is a disconnection from 715 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:28.559 the American dream, you know, the principles of the founding fathers and God 716 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.639 given liberties. And you know, I think that at the end of the 717 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:36.280 day, just as history has shown us, those systems will always topple. 718 00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.679 Yes. Yes, and they're anti human, they're anti freedom, they're anti 719 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.039 human, and I believe that they will fail as people wake up. Our 720 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.760 job is to wake them up. The sooner the better, so at least 721 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.159 the amount of damage. Amen. Again, your company is Liberation Tech. 722 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.159 Is that right? T E K. Yeah, It's liberation Our website is 723 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:58.920 liberation Tek, liberationtech dot com. Great, great Yeah, we'll be checking 724 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.360 that out because we've been heavily censored here and getting kind of tired of it. 725 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.559 I've been tired of it for the last six years that's been going on 726 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:12.800 alone. Yeah, so as wonderful that people are going to use tools to 727 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.960 get around these tools of censorship and control. I'm so excited to see what 728 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:21.159 you've got there. Thank you so much, Andrew, Andrew Riddaw is that 729 00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.320 the way you said it? Okay? Great, Andrew Ridda, and the 730 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:30.079 company is Information Tech t EQ Liberation Tech. I'm sorry, Liberation Tech t 731 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.280 e K dot com, Liberation t e k dot com. Thank you so 732 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:49.639 much for joining us. Appreciate it. The David Knight Show is a critical 733 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:57.920 thinking super spreader. 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