WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:08.679 Well, whiskey coming take my pain, my brain. Oh whiskey, don't 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:20.239 you let me whiskey? Won't you help me? Hide whiskey go, don't 3 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:27.280 let me go where they slapped it up and live it? Ain't you easy 4 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:33.399 on the soldier time guy to give it and let that whiskey blow where you're 5 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:41.280 feeling lost, down and low. Well, all right, guys, Shark 6 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.399 week is long over. But just when you thought it was gonna be safe 7 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:47.240 to go back in the water, to ignore politics, ignore the news, 8 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:51.000 and maybe have some fun with some other more thoughtful subjects, everything blows up 9 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.359 at the end of the week. No such thing as a slow newsday Friday 10 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.000 anymore. And I may have to have a lie down with a glass of 11 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:03.159 screwball peanut butter whiskey, which is what I'm sampling this afternoon. It's very 12 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.760 sweet. I wouldn't know. I don't actually like it, but but that's 13 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:10.560 what I'm having. After a screwball week like this, I need screwball whiskey. 14 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.640 So how are you guys? Before we get into the news headlines, 15 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.920 I'll go, I'll go. John. John, Poor John is so busy. 16 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.079 It's late in the day and he's just barely getting lunch. And you 17 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:29.280 can imagine how grumpy John gets when he doesn't get lunch. So it's so 18 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:34.079 sad. I'm seeing eating a Jersey Mike sub in Newport Beach, California. 19 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:38.359 So one, why would I eat anything from New Jersey? But why would 20 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:42.760 I eat fake New Jersey food in California. That's how desperate I am. 21 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.480 That's very sad. And this explains why McDonald's stock is down this week, 22 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.760 is you're not doing your normal consumption. So well, they have McDonald's in 23 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:55.480 New Pork, not close. There's a bunch, there's a there's a bunch, 24 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.079 but I wasn't near one. I was near the Jersey Mike sub on 25 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:06.079 my way off to the podcast. Not whiskey, I'm having whiskey. I'm 26 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:12.960 having my afternoon whiskey, which is Irish whiskey, espresso and row whip cream. 27 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:17.039 H Well, this, I'm happy. The Scootball peanut butter whiskey is 28 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.960 like sickly sweet and really awful. So I'm going to switch to Lefroy because 29 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:25.080 I have some handy just because I need it. I told you mix it 30 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:30.759 with Godiva chocolate liqueur, and it tastes like a Reese's peanut butter cups, 31 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:37.199 just saying Okay. By the way, Lefroy is having a sale a costcode. 32 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:39.960 If you buy two bottles, you get something like ten percent off. 33 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:47.000 Oh I will, I will mention John when those royalties start coming in from 34 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:51.599 the politically you're incorrect guide to the Supreme Court. I did spot my local 35 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:55.560 liquor store a thirty five year old bottle of Lefroy or a thirty five years 36 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:02.000 I'm here twelve hundred dollars. Wow. I know that might even be beyond 37 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:06.199 my reach. But in any case, let's get to the news and put 38 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:08.879 it behind us. You know, we've been talking the Biden business and the 39 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:13.759 Trump business to death, but then new things really happened of importance, starting 40 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.599 with we're finally getting John a special counsel you wanted for the Hunter Biden investigation, 41 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.319 although I'm not sure you really wanted. We'll talk about that some, 42 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:25.240 along with the news that the deal that he thought was going to get patched 43 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:31.159 back together that the judge rejected two weeks ago is still not coming back together. 44 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:35.759 And then maybe he's going to face an actual courtroom criminal trial on the 45 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.960 charges. And that's kind of interesting. And then on the other side of 46 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:44.919 the street, Judge said that Trump. Judge rejected the Department of Justices demand 47 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:49.719 that Trump essentially be gagged and talking about the case, with one little caveat 48 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.680 that you know, he's not free to divulge I guess classified information or something 49 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.080 like that. We'll see how that all plays out. So what a scene, 50 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.280 John. But so first of all, specially Council, my first question 51 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.719 is, I'm not sure this is actually great news. I mean, I 52 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.719 wonder about the timing. Just as the House investigation looks like it's really gaining 53 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:13.719 momentum, now suddenly by a hunter, Biden's people get to say, well, 54 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:16.759 I can't really send anymore. I can't testify to the House committee because 55 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.360 it's an ongoing investigation. And doesn't this now give a pretext for interfering. 56 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:26.639 I'm with the House investigation and delay getting to the bottom of all this. 57 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.560 It's a good point, I think there's First of all, I've been calling 58 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.040 for a special counsel for I know, months and months, because I don't 59 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:43.360 see how the Justice Apartment, which reports to the President could fairly investigate the 60 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:48.120 son of the President and that sweetheart pleat bargain it was an example why you 61 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:53.079 need a special counsel. Yeah, because right the peer you have as the 62 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.920 just farmer is going to go easy on the president or his family. And 63 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:01.519 it's actually been the you're right quiviously House investigation that's really moved things along because 64 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:08.319 of all that information that's been brought out about President Biden's potential involvement in all 65 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:13.079 these business deals by the president, and a minimum is a witness, if 66 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.439 not a beneficiary, if not an active participant in what looked like could be 67 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:24.560 illegal schemes of the Violet federal law. So the question, so one thing 68 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:29.439 is I think a special council is better than what we had before, which 69 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:35.800 was a very weak US attorney in Delaware who reports to Garland. It's the 70 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:42.519 same weak attorney. So this is the problem. Yeah, I think that's 71 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.800 the special Council actually could have been a great move for Biden, but they 72 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.680 screwed it up by keeping the same guy as the special counsels actually not in 73 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.360 compliance with the regulations. The special Council actually supposed to come from outside the 74 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.639 government, so that I think there's upside and side. So I think the 75 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.480 upside for Biden is that you describe Steve. But all the you know Biden, 76 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.040 Hunter, Biden, all these people are going to say, I'm gonna 77 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:14.040 take the fifth. I'm not gonna testify before Congress or help the investigation because 78 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.120 it could be used against me in criminal court. Now, this is what 79 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:21.279 happened in the Reagan Bush years when all you know, the Ali North investigation 80 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:27.720 are on contra, people refuse to testify until and this is interesting, this 81 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.279 is how it does change a little bit. Congress could grant them immunity from 82 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:36.680 prosecution if they if they tell the story in public. So here's that's one 83 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:44.000 interesting thing that arises now is can I reference to sell John only because you 84 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.920 mentioned the older wrong contra and the Ali North immunity of grant that later on 85 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:51.240 the water prevented certain indictments against him. I learned over the weekend at the 86 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:57.279 Reagan Library conference that are our friend, you know, our former student, 87 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.920 Joseph Ledford, who has written the book Forthcoming a ron contrapt brought up something 88 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:06.439 I didn't know about, which was the House Committee begged Lawrence Walsh to indict 89 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:11.959 Oliver North before the hearings in the summer, and I said, look, 90 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.399 you've got we've got all the information you've got, you know, why don't 91 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.160 you indict him now? And then? I don't remember the technicalities of this, 92 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:21.040 but that's solved some of their problems of the immunity apparently, or his 93 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:25.560 testimony to the committee. I'm not sure how that works, but that's the 94 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.480 claim that Joseph Meigs and I think he's been pretty careful about this, and 95 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.240 Walsh wouldn't do it, you know, he wanted to play this thing out, 96 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:34.319 which ended up being one of five or six year, ridiculously long investigation. 97 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:39.199 Not just that, but the immunities. They screwed it up. So 98 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:44.040 actually North and Point Dexter, their convictions were reversed on appeal and they could 99 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.720 not be prosecuted because right, Congress did say, this is how it works. 100 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.560 Congress said, we'll give you immunity. So suppose Congress says toonder Biden, 101 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.439 we'll give you immunity. Yeah, everything you testify, everything you say, 102 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.480 can't be used against you. So what Lawrence Walsh did, which was 103 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:03.480 stupid, is he pretend like he kept the prosecutors in some kind of bubble 104 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.319 where they could not hear or learn of the investigation. And the hearings and 105 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.040 so they could still proceed. Of course, the appeals court threw that out. 106 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.279 That was so stupid. So essentially, what would happen really is that 107 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:18.160 Congress, here's the thing. If you're Comber, Congressman Comber in the chair, 108 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:24.480 do you grant a Hunter Biden or Devin Archer or this Bobolinsky guy who 109 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:31.759 know, or the head of Barisma or the prosecutor over there, any number 110 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.159 of these people? Do you grant them immunity because you want the American public 111 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:41.039 to know about the corruption so that it can be taken by the voters into 112 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.799 account before November. Yeah, that's what I would do. I think that's 113 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.519 a great political move. We don't, I mean, we don't really care 114 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.840 for Put it this way, who cares if Hunter Biden goes to jail? 115 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.279 The American people need to know if their president is a Kruk. Wouldn't that 116 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.840 sort of undermine the left favorite narrative, which is they're only after poor poor 117 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:05.080 Hunter Biden drug Wouldn't that undermine it in a way? That would Yeah, 118 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.399 we're we're not really after Hunter Biden. We want to know, But what 119 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.039 makes you think that Hunter Biden wouldn't just do the same thing Hillary did. 120 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:16.440 I don't recall I was on drugs. But this is the thing, This 121 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.480 is the thing that immunity does, is you get immunity for the things you 122 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.639 say, and not just because you agree exactly. You don't get immunity, 123 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.480 well there's you could get the broader meauty, but no one ever gives it 124 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.360 anymore, which is like immunity for anything you could have done, you know, 125 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:33.720 the crimes. So usually once you get immunity, Hunter's incentive is to 126 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:39.279 actually say as much as he possibly can because any of that stuff then can't 127 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.919 be used. It's his dad. I don't know. That's the interesting thing, 128 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.759 isn't it. I don't know if I but Joe Biden, I don't 129 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:50.120 know, I would trust hunted. You're still vulnerable to a perjury charge if 130 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:58.039 you can be proven that you lie, though, right, Immunity doesn't Republicans, 131 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.799 well, I don't know, that's what it's gonna just say that. 132 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.960 But the downside for Biden. So the upside for Biden is this is a 133 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.200 response. It's interesting. I think this is a direct response to Republicans and 134 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:13.799 conservatives saying there's two tier justice system. So the answer his the Biden misions 135 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.879 answer is Okay, well, we're not gonna make it to Tier because we're 136 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.159 gonna stick a special counsel onto Hunter, just like we did with Trump. 137 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.639 That's their answer. So that's their upside as they can now say, you 138 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.480 got questions about the investigation, you want to criticize us, talk to the 139 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:33.440 Special Council. We don't even control him. The downside is now they can't 140 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:35.600 sweep this under the rug that fast. This is guaranteed to be an issue 141 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.320 that's going to continue through to next November, and it's gonna this is what 142 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:45.039 happens with Special Council investgation, right, there's gonna be drip drip drip information 143 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.919 motions pleading, you know, like they will not be able to stop the 144 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.639 ongoing damage politically to the Bidens from this case now. But honestly, John, 145 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.120 will there be damage? I mean, I'm sure you've seen the memes 146 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.720 for the last two or four days. They'll show the mainstream media three hundred 147 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:09.679 and thirty five minutes on these three days on the Trump indictments, two and 148 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:15.960 a half minutes on the Hunter Biden congressional hearings, the you know, all 149 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.240 of the different revelations. Can they drip drift drip and count on the mainstream 150 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.840 media to cover this The way the drip drip drip has had this benefit, 151 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.639 Biden has been able to say, I knew nothing about it. I knew 152 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.360 nothing about my son's business. I never spoke to him about well, I 153 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.240 spoke to him about it, but it was about the weather. I spoke 154 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.919 to him about a little bit more. But you still can't Nobody can show 155 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:45.960 where I got a direct payment in my checking account directly from one of these 156 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.639 corrupt you know, Kazakhstans or whatever oligarchs. So they've actually managed with the 157 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:58.519 drip drip drip to continually minimize the import of all of this. That's kind 158 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.600 of my theory. I don't know if that's true, you know, because 159 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:09.480 I read different. I'm not the average person reading just the New York Times 160 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:13.639 in the Washington Post. Sorry, guess I'm just teasing you, But do 161 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.519 you see my point? I wonder if the drip drip drip will matter? 162 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:24.360 And maybe this is this is what I think, like Comer and people in 163 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.840 Congress fear, is that actually a special counsel will be a unaccountable way to 164 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.320 squelch the whole thing, and no one will care or pay attention. One 165 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:41.720 thing I would point to, and even agreeing with Lucretia that the media, 166 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:46.639 mainstream media is you know, not covering the story fully and sympathizes with the 167 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.600 Biden administration. I don't know, it kind of reminds maybe I'm wrong about 168 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.840 this. It kind of reminds me of Clinton and Whitewater, which seemed to 169 00:12:54.080 --> 00:13:00.720 be, you know, this minor financial irregularity in Arkansas. Once they appointed 170 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:05.679 Kent Stars special counsel, now he started digging. All kinds of stuff came 171 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.960 out, and it really it didn't make any residency well, I mean, 172 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.279 he couldn't leave office. But I think Clinton, you know, his effectiveness 173 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.519 as president was kind of over. Well, this is the point I've been 174 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:22.200 making about all that is the Clinton strategy was to brazen it out and delay 175 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.279 the lay and slow it down, and that you're not to be right. 176 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.679 I mean, you know, again, there were rumors at the time, 177 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:33.600 and I think some version of this is true that senior Democratic senators were sitting 178 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.200 around early in that process, and you know, January February when it was 179 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.559 really blew up, wondering should we now go down the White House and tell 180 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:45.399 Clinton he has to go, and they decided not to, and then Clinton 181 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:48.120 toughed it out. I mean, you got, in a certain way admired 182 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.240 that he decided, I'm just going to defy this, and Biden's trying to 183 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.720 copy that because I think that's the formula that you know, we talked about 184 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.200 this before. Since you're going to bring up the same point every week, 185 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:01.639 I'm going to bring up the same point every week. The point is really 186 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.919 that I haven't brought that point up for at least two weeks. No, 187 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:13.600 it's not true, but anyway, Clinton's all in all, Clinton's you know, 188 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.639 it just showed him to be kind of a sleazy guy. Honestly, 189 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.320 the Whitewater stuff was never what actually got Clinton, Bill Clinton in too much 190 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.080 trouble the white Water stuff, right, it was the Lamonica Lewinsky blah blah 191 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.639 blah. That's I mean, yeah, he lied, Okay, we know 192 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:35.559 he lied. Biden's been lying since practically since the day he was born. 193 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.960 On record, it is, you know, incontrovertible, so lying wouldn't be 194 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.240 enough. But what Biden is accused of, of course, is so much 195 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:50.399 more serious than anything that Hillary Clinton was accused of. Richard Nixon was accused 196 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:56.919 of. Bill Clinton was accused of Donald Trump was accused of very serious, 197 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:01.960 serious, potentially very seriou and stuff. Again, if for no other reason, 198 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:13.399 the two major foreign policy issues confronting this country national security today are Ukraine 199 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:20.360 and China. And we now know that Biden family crime syndicate received money directly 200 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:28.399 indirectly through shell companies from Ukraine and China. And we have been spending billions 201 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:33.679 of dollars, sending billions of dollars worth of weapons, etc. To Ukraine. 202 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.799 I can't even start on China. That one's it's so confusing, I 203 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.039 can't even go there. But but there are serious ramifications for the fact that 204 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:48.759 Hunter Biden was in bed with Barisma and Ukraine, and that maybe Biden likely 205 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.919 is too, and that I think is what makes it different, a lot 206 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.240 different. And that's why I'm surprised, honestly that we don't see the mainstream 207 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:02.919 media saying, well, this maybe as a problem, but they're not so 208 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.000 these two things. One is, I think I put both of them into 209 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:08.840 silence. Guys. No, no, I no, I got one point 210 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:14.159 is I think you know you don't know where special Council investigation would go. 211 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.879 That's the thing that's interesting about it is that and a problem with it is 212 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.600 that it's you know, targeted at a person. So you know, if 213 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:27.039 you look at the order today, it says the Special Counsel is allowed to 214 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:32.519 investigate the things Hunter Biden's being investigated on now or anything connected to it that 215 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.200 or that might arise. And that's what happened with Clinton and Lewinsky and many 216 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.919 charges in any venue he chooses, which could be California for one of the 217 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.039 times, or New York. But the other thing is, but you are 218 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.159 right. I think Lachristian makes an excellent point, which is, if you 219 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.639 keep this same guy who has been uh, you know not, I know, 220 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:55.000 I'm not pursuing the investigation with the full you know vigor. He should 221 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:59.879 this guy Weiss? Then what you really need to do, and this, 222 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:04.400 I think something the House Republicans can really make applical Impactice start their drump beat 223 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:10.279 to replace him with someone else. People forget with the Whitewater investigation, there 224 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:14.839 wasn't a special Counsel who was doing it, who was thought to be too 225 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:19.079 slow and too weak, and then they replaced him with Ken Starr and that's 226 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.359 when it really got wrapped up. And so I think that's something Republicans on 227 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.039 the House side who have been you know, in a way, they should 228 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.680 declare victory because it was because of all the information they produced in their hearings 229 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.160 that you couldn't have that pleet bargain and that you couldn't claim there was an 230 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.119 end to any investigation, and so they might be able to force a new 231 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.200 special counsel rather than this current guy. I have some I have some lawyer 232 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.960 questions for you, John. The first one is if it is actually violating 233 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:52.039 the statute to appoint a special counsel inside of government instead of out, why 234 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.880 is that not a problem. How does that not become Oh, it's just 235 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.319 a regulation. It's not actually a statute. Okay, so you know people 236 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.960 regulation. Yeah, Okay, it's hard to enforce because it's just the Attorney 237 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:08.920 general z own regulation. But and then my second question is going back to 238 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:15.640 that whole idea about the Special Council uh not really having a clear mandate, 239 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.839 shall we say, or a very very open ended mandate. It almost sounds 240 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:22.559 a little bit like you know the famous cliche, show me the man, 241 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.720 I'll show you the crime, and at what point, because we've had this 242 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.319 conversation, I've been listening to a couple of our past podcasts. We've had 243 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.880 this conversation now a few times about you know what the Founders really intended as 244 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:41.160 ways to reign in prosecutorial power, because in many ways, the prosecutorial power 245 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.640 of government is the most awful, terrible power that government has, right and 246 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:51.960 we have an entire Bill of rights, most of it designed to keep that 247 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:57.920 government from from becoming too tyrannical that aspect of government, the prosecutorial aspect. 248 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.640 At what point is somebody going to challenge the actual special counsel and the ability 249 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.160 for special counsels to just start digging and digging and never stop. It used 250 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:11.400 to be when I would talk to my students, and I really am almost 251 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.319 done, Steve, I promise when I will talk to my students about some 252 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.680 of the problems with independent counsel special counsel, one of them would be the 253 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.279 fact, of course, this is a while back that you know, one 254 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:29.240 of the less lofty checks on prosecutorial power, of course, is their budget. 255 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:36.160 You know, a local district attorney has to make choices that about what 256 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:37.839 is going to be prosecuted and what isn't And that's, you know, one 257 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.039 of the things that we can politically kind of hold them accountable for. What 258 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.640 are you what are you looking to prosecute? What are you looking to overlook? 259 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.480 That kind of thing. In the case of a special counsel who is 260 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:53.680 looking at a person and has essentially no limit on their budget, they can 261 00:19:53.759 --> 00:20:00.000 hire as many damn attorneys as they want to do whatever. When is somebody 262 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.440 going to challenge that as problematic? And here I am, I mean, 263 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.720 you know, I feel I'm glad, but at the same time, I'm 264 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.200 just I'm asking a deeper question. I guess, Well, this goes back 265 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:14.000 to I mean, first of all, remember the distinction between an independent Council 266 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:19.400 under the old lap Statute and a special Council who is still legally accountable Attorney 267 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.519 General and the President and can be fired and their budget can be restrained. 268 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:26.039 The independent Council got to set their own budget pretty much. And I mean, 269 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.960 I guess there was emotionally oversight by the Court of Appeals that selected the 270 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.720 independent Council, but that was never really came into play. So tell me 271 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:38.720 how that worked with the Robert Mueller Special counsel. Well, look, I 272 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:41.279 mean Trump could have fired him at any moment if he wanted to, in 273 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.240 the same way Nixon fired Archibald Cox back in nineteen seventy three. So it 274 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:49.119 has happened once that a president fired a special counsel that he thought was out 275 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.559 of line. So now to the extent that I think for the public at 276 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.880 large, they think special counsel is just like the old independent I know the 277 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:03.440 difference, but I don't I don't necessarily see practical evidence that there's a limitation 278 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:08.079 on the budget. Yeah, I really don't. And and maybe that's not 279 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.839 as important as I think as I used to think it was. We see 280 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:18.000 that that partisan hackery is a much more important driver these days, and not 281 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.480 not just at the federal level, not just at these important national questions, 282 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:26.160 but district attorneys now decide they're going to go after white collar crime and they're 283 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.599 gonna let murderers get out on cash free bail, right, I mean, 284 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.599 so, so it's you know, it's a little bit of a moot point 285 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.599 from that point of view, But I still think that the resources, never 286 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.440 mind just the money, but the resources that a normal prosecutor has to bring 287 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:48.160 to bear to decide what cases to prosecute and what cases not to prosecute are 288 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.400 not really controlling in the case of a special counsel, and I think that's 289 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:56.000 problematic. I'm I'm not feeling sorry for a hunter, and I'm not feeling 290 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:59.920 sorry for Joe Biden. I'm trying to be a little bit principled about this 291 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.240 and ask that question from that point of view. Johnny one of the last 292 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:07.920 word on this. Yeah, I first of all, I think these regulations 293 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:14.200 about special counsel are primarily political and designed for external consumption by the public. 294 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.599 Because Lucretia's point is correct. Without a statute, there's no real law that 295 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.559 says there has to be a special counsel. There's nothing that forces the just 296 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:29.039 Department to give him her an unlimited budget with as many prosecutors as they want. 297 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:33.759 It's just a promise by the Atterney General saying I will to reduce the 298 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:38.960 conflict of interest in investigating a president and his family, give this person an 299 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.640 unlimited budget and give them as many prosecutors as they want. But they have 300 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:47.559 no legal right to it. And as Steve said, Trump could have fired 301 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.960 Mueller any day they felt like it, because that's the constitutional power that the 302 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:57.559 president has overall prosecutors. So one thing is, you know, the special 303 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:03.240 counsel is a you know, has these problems the Cretia mentions, although it's 304 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.440 not clear to me that's not a problem you have if you have a you 305 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.400 know, a US attorney who's out to get somebody anyway, even without special 306 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:17.559 counsel. But it's really designed to deflect attention away from the fact that the 307 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.519 president is still constitutionally charge of law enforcement. There's still a fundamental conflict of 308 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.640 interest if he is the one or his close associates are the ones who might 309 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.279 violate the law. Special counsel is a kind of way to escape that problem, 310 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:36.240 but it's not satisfactory. Is in Congress than a better A better Jane. 311 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:37.759 I mean, you could say the founders thought the real solution to that 312 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.119 kind of thing is political impeachment, and that you know, what's going on 313 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.400 with the House Republicans is actually right, maybe not surprisingly, yielding way more 314 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:51.480 information for us than the prosecution of hundred. I know Steve wants to move 315 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:55.160 on, but just really one quick point on that, and we saw the 316 00:23:55.519 --> 00:24:00.839 exactly what you just said. Maybe the outcome somewhat reversed with the January sixth 317 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:06.519 committee. They investigated, they investigated, they investigated, They got nowhere without 318 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:11.359 investigation, they produced nothing if without investigation, other than impeachment inquiries, and 319 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.480 those went again went nowhere. And they for all intents and purposes, it 320 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:21.880 had no political impact. It didn't really didn't. Didn't persuade anybody who wasn't 321 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:23.440 already on one side or the other. That would be my argument. So 322 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:29.440 anyway, Sorry, produced some primetime TV shows, man me, I didn't 323 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:33.200 watch them. The whole scene, the whole scene reminds me summed up with 324 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:36.720 an old, old old cartoon. I won't even tell you where it's from, 325 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:40.519 but it's a two skunks talking to each other, and the one skunk 326 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:41.640 says to the other one, who are you doing these days? And like 327 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.400 I says, oh, I've been appointed to a commission to investigate the source 328 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.000 of that strange odor around here. So that's what this scene reminds me of, 329 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:55.119 a little bit of a bunch of skunks in a justice department. But 330 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.960 let us move on to the other side of the street, which is, 331 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:03.079 first of all, a trial set for the Trump January sixth trial beginning January 332 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:07.240 fourth. I think it is the proposed day. Just second, yeah, 333 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.240 it seems unlikely if it did happen that it took, say, four to 334 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.319 six weeks, that would be in the time of the Iowa caucuses in the 335 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:18.960 New Hampshire primary. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see about all of 336 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.680 that. But then second, there was a motion by the Justice Department essentially 337 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:26.559 to a muzzle Trump, and the judge mostly said no, you know, 338 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.400 I can't imagine how they can enforce any of that. I think, first 339 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:32.839 of all, Trump would run the Supreme Court or something like that. But 340 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.640 I missed this little detail and Jonathan Turley talked about it that apparently somebody made 341 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:42.240 an argument at some point that Trump might be a flight risk. It's a 342 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:48.720 little more complicated than that, but we won't go into the deal, right, 343 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:55.440 but they used it as as a rationale for being able to shut him 344 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.759 up, to be able to But yeah, the whole thing is it's too 345 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.839 common complicated and take too much time to go into. But nobody actually believes 346 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:08.440 he's a flight risk. It's yet another slide of hand by by Jack Smith, 347 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.359 who, by the way, is it just me or does Jack Smith 348 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:17.160 look like he's part of a cartel somewhere. I think Trump called him a 349 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.839 crackhead. Yeah, well there's that, but but but I mean, look 350 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:26.880 at him. He guys. Guys in government are supposed to be clean shaven 351 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:32.000 and comb their hair. They're not supposed to look like drug cartel bostles, 352 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.599 you know. As you know, he spent some time in Europe. So 353 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:42.559 once he went over dimension just quickly on Steve's point about the what's going on 354 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:47.519 with this judge? So, uh, one thing is he's kind of what 355 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:49.759 they're called protective orders. It's not a gag order. The gag order would 356 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.359 be outrageous and extreme anyway, which would be to say Trump can't even talk 357 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:59.480 about the case, and that is a problem. But what she issued is 358 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.640 asked to as a protective order, which just says you can't publicly disclose that 359 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.319 the evidence of the evidence that the government gives you, because you have a 360 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.599 right. It's called Brady it's a Brady right. When you're being prosecuted, 361 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.559 digitally, the government has to give you all relevant evidence about you that it 362 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:21.519 found, including evidence that might show your innocence, which is interesting. And 363 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:27.319 so this kind of order is not unusual because you don't want someone for example, 364 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.319 reading all them in tone, releasing the addresses of witnesses, or trying 365 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:37.720 to embarrass people by what they said before a grand jury. But I think 366 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.920 this judge is making a mistake because this is not a run of the mill 367 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.119 case. This is a highly unusual case where the defendant is running for president 368 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:51.799 and his prosecution is a subject of the campaign, and so the judge should 369 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:57.480 actually be more flexible on the protective order to recognize Trump's legitimate free speech interests. 370 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:02.240 It may be hard to identify exactly where that line is between, you 371 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.359 know, protecting the just or legitimate needs to have a criminal trial and what 372 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:10.839 it requires and free speech. But does basically say none, you know, 373 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:15.079 to say basically the whole protective order is good and there's very minimal free speech 374 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.319 rights of Trump is I think that's a serious mistake. On So is that 375 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.279 appealable? Uh? Not beyond obviously the DC circuit, because there are a 376 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.920 bunch of partisan hacks too, now, but all the way to the Supreme 377 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:30.559 Court. Is that appealable? Yeah, there's appealable, though usually the courts 378 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.799 don't like to hear these things until the trial is over. But here's here's 379 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.759 an interesting that Steve's also raised. Addition with this your question, there's what 380 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:45.640 happened if Trump defies it? Right? I think did any issue? Didn't 381 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.440 he say in Iowa or on Twitter that or X or whatever it's called now 382 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.960 that like he's gonna he's gonna just talk about whatever it feels like and let 383 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:59.839 them try to stop him. I mean, the usual I just can't imagine 384 00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.559 this would happen. You know, the usual punishment would be a fine. 385 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.519 If they continue to do it would be contemptive court, which can involve, 386 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:12.400 under the inherent power of the court jailing the defendant. I just can't like 387 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:19.000 they really exactly because he defies the protective order. I find that hard to 388 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.599 believe. But that's what judges usually would do. Yeah, yeah, alright, 389 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.000 Trump could appeal that. Trump probably would love that, right, Trump 390 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.480 being on behind bars and then going to the Supreme Court, that would that 391 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:37.119 would win he win the nomination. Well, now, the other thing that's 392 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.599 roiling the waters late in the week related to this is this article that I 393 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:48.240 guess is forthcoming and what University of Pennsylvania Lower Review about by William bod is 394 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.279 that how you say his name and Michael spokes Paulson. I think those are 395 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.160 you know, there's a conservative guys, aren't they someone so and it's hold 396 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.240 on, let me just describe for listeners what's going on there. Article the 397 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.480 one hundred and twenty six page, single spaced article, so it's long. 398 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.759 And what it says is is that section three of the fourteenth Amendment, and 399 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:15.680 that was the one about barring essentially was written with qualification disqualification federal office. 400 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.599 It had ex Confederates in mind when the amendment was written in eighteen sixty eight. 401 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.640 But they're saying it's still enforced today that if you have participated in insurrection 402 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:30.279 or rebellion, you can't rightfully be barred under section three of the fourteenth Amendment 403 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:36.359 and now and also at the end they sort of weasel out about this because 404 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.440 they say, well, you can't do this lightly. It should be done 405 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.200 mostly through political means by the state, not by courts, but by the 406 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:47.440 states, by the electoral college, by Congress, through impeachment. I think 407 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:52.920 that's a that's a part of a criminal conspiracy to get the electoral college to 408 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:59.720 change their vote. They will be prosecuted. But there is this one little 409 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.279 deep till missing, which is I mean, they mentioned Trump, but they 410 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.000 say Trump's not the only person that might apply to. I'm not sure who 411 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:10.119 else, But on this Trump has not been charged with inciting insurrection or insurrection 412 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.039 rebellion. There's a sort of a missing fact to this case. And I 413 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:15.799 don't know what are we making. No, I mean, it's a stupid 414 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.839 article, and the fact that anybody's taking it seriously, I always want to 415 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.400 send it. So I'm on the same list of idiots taking it seriously. 416 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:32.559 But first of all, remember what actually happened after the Fourteenth Amendment with the 417 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:40.039 Reconstruction Congress and the Confederates who were involved in insurrection. They were so circumspect 418 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.839 about the people that they actually punished, And you know, it was very 419 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:49.440 much so those It wasn't your average major in the Confederate Army. It was 420 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.240 you know, just because you took up arms against the United States, you 421 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.599 didn't fall under the whole thing of insurrection. Okay, so let's let's start 422 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.640 there. Let's go to the second point, which which Steve made that you 423 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:07.640 know, I don't know that anybody's proved that this is an insurrection. Again, 424 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.799 my favorite meme is if this was an insurrection, a real insurrection, 425 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.640 Trump would be president and gas would be a dollar seventeen a gallon. It 426 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.799 was my line about, you know, if Trump are really Hitler, we 427 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.960 would have had the wall built and uh and other things. Right. Yeah, 428 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.440 I mean, these were people who were unarmed, and I don't want 429 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.000 to. I don't want to go into another battle with John on this, 430 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.160 but even John has whether there was an intention or not, whether it was 431 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.799 justified or not, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is as 432 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.400 insurrections go, this was really really lame. It wasn't really an insurrection. 433 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.440 It wasn't an attempt to have a coup against the government, which you've also 434 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.920 said. John, I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you here, but what 435 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:51.160 this stupid article by you're the only laws professor. I think. I know 436 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.519 that I never once in my life if called stupid John, and I'm not 437 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:58.880 sure I will actually I want to, so we think are not stupid and 438 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:04.440 see if they fingers hands. Jonathan Turley's getting up there these days. He's 439 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.720 making a pretty good decent job. But anyway, my point is that what 440 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.240 this did, and the article, I hope you did send it to John 441 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.839 too. The article that I sent Steve alerting him to the fact that this 442 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:21.119 Law Review article was coming out. The way they describe it is how it 443 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:27.720 changes the political game, not whether or not it has any kind of validity 444 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.480 or you know, there's anything to the legal arguments. It's these are conservatives, 445 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:37.079 and now it's going to give political impulse to the people who you know, 446 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.480 not just the mark elias Is of the world, but now we've got 447 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.680 everybody because two conservative idiot law professors said yeah, we should use this against 448 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:52.240 Trump. That's my folks, No matter what what, John, I'll let 449 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:58.279 you hand list if you want to. Otherwise, Well, I think I 450 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.200 think for sure the fourteenth Amendment is still there, and Section three is still 451 00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:06.480 there. It doesn't say, uh, you know, this finding of insurrection 452 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.119 and then punishment by disqualification only applied to the Civil War. I agree, 453 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.760 so something that exists in the future. What the amendment doesn't say. I 454 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:19.519 haven't read the article yet, but what it's gotta take into account is who 455 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:24.000 gets to decide you committed insurrection? So I don't I don't see how a 456 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:29.199 state could just unilaterally start deciding who's allowed to hold federal office or not. 457 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:34.480 Like, what is so, could New York State's legislature new Mexico, John 458 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:42.400 but Mexico actually Donald Trump committed insurrection? Right Mexico did for a representative to 459 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.199 Congress, they I'll find the details of it. Seems to me, if 460 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:52.719 if if the New York State Legislature issued a finding saying we disqualified Donald Trump 461 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.599 from federal office because we think he was in insurrections, I gotta think Donald 462 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:04.039 Trump's got a pretty good case that that's invalid. But on the end, 463 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.559 so it seems to me there's two bodies I could do it. I would 464 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.280 think that the courts right if Donald Trump were actually charged with insurrection. But 465 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.880 you know, as we point out last week, that's the missing charge. 466 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.079 There is no charge of insurrection in this January six stuff. It's fraud, 467 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.920 obstruction of justice, of judging of Congress, and this weird deprivation is civil 468 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.480 rights. But there's no insurrection case. So even if Donald Trump's convicted, 469 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.679 I don't think a sentence could charge them with could include disqualification. The interesting 470 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.280 question is could Congress do it? It could the House and sent it by 471 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:44.960 simple majority vote disqualified people and find that people committed insurrection That's what I assume 472 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:51.599 was the Civil War question the Reconstruction era question, because they weren't going to 473 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.360 the courts to find people committed insurrection. I think Congress wanted to do remember 474 00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:04.480 Dan, Congress and pass resolutions bar you know, refusing to seek people who 475 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.119 were sent back by the Confederate State. I mean, the you know, 476 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.880 the conquered states or whatever you want to call them after the Civil War. 477 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.039 Isn't that kind of like the Congress finding someone was an insurrectionist and disqualifying them 478 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.000 from office. It was a kind of political mechanism rather than just prosecution and 479 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.079 courts. So that's what I would say here. But here's here's what I'm 480 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.199 going to say. First of all, because I brought it up. Sorry, 481 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.840 a New Mexico State District Court judge on about honor about September of twenty 482 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:42.039 twenty one, UH disqualified county commissioner and Cowboys for Trump co founder Coe Griffin 483 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.199 from holding public office for engaging insurrection at the US Capitol. On January sixth, 484 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:51.880 the judgment from state District Court piece of you know what, permanently bars 485 00:36:51.920 --> 00:37:00.840 Griffin from federal and local public office. So a judge said, I judge. 486 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:04.719 I don't know. I mean, there was also the modern case. 487 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.119 It's very different because it was about how the House kicked out Adam Clayton Powell 488 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:13.840 back in the sixties, and I kind of forgot that. The point was. 489 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.320 I think they lost in court, though I think he went to court 490 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.519 and the court said no, Congress can't kick him out. For I forget. 491 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.559 I don't remember how it all went down, but I know it was 492 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.920 very controversial that he was kept getting reelected even though he never even went to 493 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.159 the apparently, like he went to the Bahamas and sat on the beach and 494 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.159 collected his paycheck and they reelected him. Anyway, Okay, let's take a 495 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.880 quick break for our sponsors and then come back and look at the wider political 496 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:39.960 scene a little bit, because I think this is the foreground. In the 497 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:51.000 background, there's some stuff happening that is probably equally important, all right, 498 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.239 you guys, So you know Trump and Biden, obviously they're going to dominate 499 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.199 the foreground for quite a long time to come. Yet meanwhile, a lot 500 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.360 of stuff is in motion, include something I didn't mention, you guys, 501 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:06.159 But we can do this quickly. Ohio, this week had this referendum to 502 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.440 change the threshold for amending the constitution by a popular vote from fifty percent plus 503 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:15.480 one to sixty percent. And it's been made by the media and others into 504 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.880 a proxy vote over abortion, because there's an a proposal to be voted on 505 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.199 in the fall that will lock into the Ohio Constitution essentially the regime of Row 506 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:29.519 versus Weight or even more more radical in Roe versus weight permit abortion up to 507 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:35.519 the time of birth essentially. And so this referendum went down hard. I 508 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.239 think fifty seven forty three voted no, not to increase the proportion of the 509 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:45.519 vote required to amend the Ohio Constitution. This is being seen and reported as 510 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.719 a huge victory for the pro choice cause I'm not so sure about that, 511 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.199 but the Democrats are saying we've got him now, we're going to run an 512 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.079 abortion next year, and so I don't know if you guys watched this, 513 00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.960 I think the vote is a little more complicated than that. I think there's 514 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.440 of all bias against there's a small c conservatism comes into play here where people 515 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.400 say let's not mess with the state constitution even though there's a good case or 516 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.920 saying you want to have a supermajority for changing Let's say, you guys, 517 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:17.679 the stupid party again, the stupid party. Republicans made it about abortion, 518 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.400 which gave the other side all sorts of opportunities to grandstand about it. If, 519 00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:27.360 on the other hand, they would have said, look, it's very 520 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:34.920 easy to get a simple majority all on the same page at one time and 521 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.719 get them to do dumb things. And if they would have done a good 522 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.719 examples and maybe talked about the reason why constitutional amendments should be done by a 523 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.440 supermajority because they they're contraditional amendments the same way. Uh, you know, 524 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:52.360 made an actual principled argument. But no, the Republicans made it about abortion. 525 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.360 And you know, if I'm if I'm the usual sort of you know, 526 00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:02.000 have paying attention vote, yeah, I don't want somebody rigging the entire 527 00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.719 constitution just so I could get somebody can get their policy preferences through. I 528 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.000 think it agrees with what you're saying, Steve, But I'm just saying it 529 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:15.719 was even worse because it was a dumb thing for Republicans to do in this 530 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.119 case. Yeah, I mean my prediction is the initiative about well, I 531 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.559 don't know, they may I'll bet the vote will be closer. It's not 532 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.039 going to be fifty seven forty degree. It might even lose, but we'll 533 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:30.360 just see. Well, An I was just gonna say they've lost any kind 534 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.320 of integrity that they could come to the voters with. Now, Well, 535 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.000 now they'll have to argue about and persuade a majority of the matter that this 536 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.280 is a radical I think you could win on this, by the way, 537 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.000 if you want after it. But if you weren't the stupid party, John, 538 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:50.079 you have two cents on this area. No, I don't get why 539 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.320 Republicans, right, we wanted Dobbs to return abortion to the states. It 540 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.360 did, right, So at one level, this is good that the states 541 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:04.440 are deciding for themselves whether what kind of abortion rights to have. What I 542 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.239 don't understand is right, there's this case, there was the one out of 543 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:15.800 Kansas last year. Why are Republicans not using the normal political process passing statutes 544 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.519 setting out abortion rights or not, and maybe shooting for the moon by trying 545 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.639 to you know, and you know, amend the constitution, gauging tricks like 546 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.920 this to try to prevent the Constitution being easily mended. There are other states 547 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:35.519 right where they're fighting about the Supreme State Supreme Court. Why not just use, 548 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.199 you know, have elections for state legislatures and pass statutes about this. 549 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.840 Yeah. Well, maybe the thing that's causing it all to get too gend 550 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.239 up is because the Republicans and the state level are trying to monkey around with 551 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.559 their state constitutions instead. Maybe that's a tactical mistake. I don't know. 552 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.280 Yeah, I mean this we have said before, and I'll just saying briefly 553 00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.159 again before Lucretia reminds me my being repetitive and saying things over and over again. 554 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.960 Republicans in the pro life community were totally unprepared for the Postdobs world, 555 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.760 full stop. You know you're you're wrong, sorry, Steven. I think 556 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.039 you're partially wrong on that. They weren't unprepared. Their cowards. They're cowards, 557 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.760 and they don't want to have to stand on principle and try to make 558 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.039 the principled argument. They want to take the moderate road. They want to 559 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.679 talk about too much taxes, they don't want to talk about abortion. That. 560 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:30.920 I think that's what I mean. I don't mean think you're wrong. 561 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.159 You're not wrong at all, Steve, But I think that there's a deeper 562 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.440 reason other than simply being unprepared, because quite frankly, we're all we were 563 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.000 all unprepared. None of us expected anything like that three years ago, at 564 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:49.119 least, right, we haven't been planning for the demise of Row. From 565 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.239 that point of view, you're absolutely correct. But I've seen people who are 566 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:59.400 able to make principled, persuasive arguments. Most of them are not Republicans running 567 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:05.000 for Congress or state legislators. No, I give you that point. Okay, 568 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.320 can I give you your point? So John, to move on a 569 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:13.280 little bit here, Just something related to constitutional change. I figured out here 570 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:19.199 midweek that Lucresia is holding out on us. She's actually thoroughly behind Vivek Ramaswami 571 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:24.719 for president because I know he wants he wants to raise the mooting age to 572 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:30.639 twenty five. I mean, of course Lucresia will go well beyond that. 573 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:36.079 But I think, Aha, I told you, I'm not necessarily I'm hearing 574 00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:40.480 that younger people are actually except if they're college educated, of course, they're 575 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:46.320 actually becoming more and more conservatives. I'm not necessarily it's their future. I'm 576 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:53.519 still on the whole repeal the Nineteenth Amendment thing. But you'll settle for that 577 00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:59.119 right now. I had to tell these guys I've been asked to give a 578 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:05.159 speech and when it's Equality Day on the passage of the nineteenth Amendment, I'm 579 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.079 in a real quandary about this. It has in the ideas. You know 580 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:13.480 where to send them, Well, we'll send you bodyguards or the kevlar vest 581 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:20.880 and you know, an extraction team out there you go nearby? Yeah, 582 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:22.519 well all right, by the way. The point your the serious point you 583 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:28.360 race though, is you know, as the problem with politics, things continue 584 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:30.480 the way they're going until suddenly they change. And so you know, the 585 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.840 big assumption when the eighteen year olds got the vote and for the first time 586 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.199 in the nineteen seventy two election, is that they were going to vote Democratic. 587 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.920 They didn't. They went for Nixon, and then the eighties, the 588 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.440 younger voters went heavily for Reagan, to the point where Pat moynihan said, 589 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.480 what the heck is going on here? Turns out we're the old fogies now, 590 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:54.519 meaning we liberal Democrats, right uh? And then Obama Obama. Yeah, 591 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.559 but it could flip back, you know, is what I'm saying. 592 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.800 And that brings me to the next. Can I just ask one more question, 593 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.920 Why should we assume that people should vote as a block by generations. 594 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:13.639 Why shouldn't it be overwhelmed by the other things people think, like what they 595 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:19.360 think is good policy or you know, there's no I would have I'm surprised 596 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.960 actually that, but you guys would know the data. I mean, do 597 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:30.400 people vote by generations all these other things? Yeah, the college educated versus 598 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.280 the non college educated. Income, yeah, predictor yeah, an income, 599 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.159 all of those kinds of things. Yeah, I have to go back and 600 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.119 look. I mean I think over very like over century. I think there 601 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.159 are some It's never black and white or you know, all one all the 602 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:46.480 other, but I think you can see some general you know, the New 603 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.239 Deal, the New Deal generation right, that was heavily democratic until they started 604 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.199 affecting a way. And one other thing. One of the thing is if 605 00:45:54.199 --> 00:46:00.159 you were voting by generation, then youngsters should totally vote conservative because the federal 606 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:06.440 government is engaging a huge wealth transfer from young people to old people. Like 607 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.800 that's what all the entitlement programs that are crushing the deficit, I mean, 608 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:15.039 creative deficit are all driven by these you know, income redistribution from the future, 609 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.199 which is the current generation going to old people. Now, most of 610 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.360 them weren't. Most of them weren't aware, aren't really aren't aware of that. 611 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.800 Although you know, there was a pole the nineteen nineties. I got 612 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:29.639 a lot of press where they asked young people, or do you believe more 613 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:32.760 in the existence of the security of your social security benefits or in UFOs? 614 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.760 And they all sit UFOs. Hey, guy, I'm almost and I don't 615 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:50.159 believe info. Right, Well, we'll see. I'm actually gonna I'll plant 616 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.599 this and come back to it later because I want to get to intermediate points, 617 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.719 which is a couple of articles this week that caught my eye and readers 618 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:59.559 kept passing along. I actually think we might be on the custom of some 619 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.239 chain. I'll tell you why in a minute. But in the meantime, 620 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:06.800 you had Victor Davis Hansen, had I thought or one of his see if 621 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.800 I really want to discuss that, But you made a comment about Obama, 622 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:14.440 and I just wanted to throw out there the whole what's been big in the 623 00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:21.440 news from time. Yeah, the tablet article, which is an article interviewing 624 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:30.079 the biographer of Obama. That and and every single piece that I read about 625 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.679 it or saw about it. It was a little all confusing actually if you 626 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.800 ask me, but it all the whole point of it was, you know 627 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.480 what, Obama's exactly the guy that right wing conservative thought he was, and 628 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.679 he certainly wasn't the person that was mister hope and change and everything he presented 629 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.320 himself as. And I just wondered what you guys thought about that, if 630 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.280 that's going to make any difference. So many other presidents get a kind of 631 00:47:54.079 --> 00:48:00.559 rehabilitation after they leave office, and Obama looks to become he might get downgraded. 632 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.079 Yeah, I just I don't want to spend a lot of time. 633 00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.119 I just wanted to ask before you moved on, did you see that article, 634 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.679 John, I've only seen the discussions of it. I have read them 635 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.119 correct in the discussions characterizing him that way. Yes, yeah, yeah, 636 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.599 I mean a lot of people, uh. And Garrow it's David Garrow, 637 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.039 right. He's a very serious historian and one of the I think the Pulitzer 638 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:27.239 for his book about the civil rights hero right. And he's a very serious 639 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.800 historian. And uh, I guess did a number of interviews with Obama and 640 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:35.679 exactly yeah, yeah, No, I mean I think I I'm not so 641 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.920 one. I think he is much more hardcore ideological than people thought at the 642 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.599 time. I mean we might have thought, but a lot of people in 643 00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.719 the public didn't think he was. I'm not sure whether that will raise or 644 00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:51.480 lower his reputation in the future. I mean, is you know, they're 645 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.639 of course Democrats, who are much happier now. I wonder because they also 646 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:01.039 showed character flaws. Yeah, character laws, right, So I mean for 647 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.199 listeners who aren't, we'll try and find us some link in the show notes. 648 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.760 Because it was a stunning interview with Garrow, who, as you say, 649 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.679 John is a very well respected mainstream I mean, this is why Obama 650 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.400 read to sit down and be interviewed whatnot. And what Garrow says is not 651 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.360 so much that he was ideological, that was there, but actually it was 652 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:27.599 just egotism and self seeking in other words, I don't know, he didn't 653 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.639 say that. What he said was he just had no He would get excited 654 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.559 about something and then you know, minutes later he was bored with it and 655 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:38.000 he had no stick to it. Uh yeah, stick to it and listen 656 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.480 that, you know, and as he just couldn't be counted on to do 657 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.800 anything. I mean, it's a very understated article, and that Garrow's never 658 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:50.360 directly critical, but it's absolutely devastating as you read through it patiently and realizing 659 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.719 he's painting a very negative picture of Obama. And I think that's gonna land. 660 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.719 And yeah, I mean, we'll see how future historiography goes on this. 661 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.320 As other people, but one of them was this. So how is 662 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:05.000 it that Garrow is the only With all these opposition researchers and other people in 663 00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.480 the media, how come none of them ever actually identified and talked to any 664 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.039 of Obama's old girlfriends. Now the number one old girlfriend, the one he'd 665 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:16.199 asked to marry him twice, who was white, and and the way Obama 666 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:22.440 described her was a a composite and be lied about her, lied about her 667 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:28.400 saying that, you know, she was somehow upset about his his black whatever 668 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:35.760 it's called. Because there was a you know, despicable farrakhanite Chicago pole who 669 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:37.519 was you know, just anti Semid and this and that, and she was 670 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:44.760 her parents had hidden you know, Holocaust survivors in their home. Her parents 671 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:49.840 are grandparents in Finland, Finland, Finland or Sweden, Finland, I think 672 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.639 Norway one of those places anyway, she was, she was Scandinavian and Japanese 673 00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:00.920 and she was really offended by this sort of anti semitism that he wouldn't disavow 674 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:04.239 and that's why they broke up. But he asked her to marry or twice 675 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.920 and she said no, and he made it seem like he needed a black 676 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:12.920 wife instead, or there's just a lot of it's a very very unflattering portrait 677 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:17.159 and we'll see if it stakes and we get off the podcast. The headline 678 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:21.840 in the tablet was something weird like not only was I'll have to find it 679 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.599 because it was something like he's not even a person's Yeah, yeah, just 680 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:31.840 not a good It was weird, very dismissive. Yeah, yeah, anyway, 681 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.599 Sorry, sorry about that, Steve. I just I forgot that. 682 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:40.119 I wanted to mention it when he asked, Yeah, the portrait if for 683 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.000 literary listeners, I know at least one will get this reference heat he makes 684 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:50.119 them out to be kind of like Rex Mottrum in Brideshead. Yes, if 685 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.679 you remember that that characterization, it's a pretty good parallel there, I think 686 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:58.320 in some ways. All right, So Victor Davis Hansen had a really great 687 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.880 article where he said when somebody going to stand up and say this is crazy. 688 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:06.199 And the example used was and it's one of the climax as the whole 689 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:12.760 Churchill story is Leo Amory standing up on May eighth when Chamberlain's at essentially the 690 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.440 end of his rope, and Amory quotes Cromwell saying, you have stood here 691 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:19.320 too long for any good you have done in the name of God, go 692 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.840 let us be done with you. And it was absolutely devastating in the house 693 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.079 from all the eyewitnesses there. And he's saying, really, what Victor didn't 694 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.320 say it this way, but he was really saying, is when are some 695 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:34.039 Democrats going to do this? They nobody seems to be wanting to break with 696 00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.079 the progressive orthodoxy, let alone point out that Biden is hopeless. And it 697 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.519 is true. And you know, I know this history. You know, 698 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.320 back in the late seventies you had a lot of Democrats breaking with Jimmy Carter, 699 00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.320 breaking with where the party had gone. Some of them became Republicans, 700 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.960 like Jean Kirkpatrick, and some of those stories are really interesting, and a 701 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:57.039 lot of the others, including Pat moynihan, went to Ted Kennedy and said, 702 00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.239 you have to run against Carter because he's going to kill us. Not 703 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.360 that Ted Kennedy was a great alternative, but still that's not happening here. 704 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:09.159 And it's really stunning to me. Uh and then uh, my pal sort 705 00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.960 of I've never met a person, but Jacob Howell and who have talked a 706 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.760 lot on the phone, has this article out and unheard, which is that 707 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.639 really interesting site. I think about America has got this zombie stake going on. 708 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.519 We have not only you know, old presidential candidates, one obviously senile 709 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.000 and the other one with all his baggage that we talk about endlessly. But 710 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:36.480 you know, Diane Feinstein, Mitch McConnell, I don't Luis Shall want to 711 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.119 say you probably liked the Mitch McConnell stopped talking there the other day in mid 712 00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:43.840 sentence. But I'm so terrible, right, I know you are. But 713 00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.599 look, I mean, the point is we do have this now about the 714 00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:53.559 impeachment stuff, because I get he's right that the whole impeachment stuff that happened 715 00:53:53.639 --> 00:54:00.400 with with Trump, maybe even with Clinton, all of that was probably a 716 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.199 misuse of the impeachment process. He's right about that, But the fact that 717 00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:09.199 he's unable to make the distinction between what happened there and be more. This 718 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:15.480 is so typical Mitch McConnell be more interested to make sure Republicans look like chentelmen 719 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:22.960 who follow the Constitution. They're not like those democrats. He's so wrong on 720 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.079 this, He's so so wrong. All right, che woman, you're you're 721 00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.320 missing the point I'm trying to get me. Ever, come on, I 722 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:35.039 will never be quiet if you try to shush me. Very wrong about that, 723 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.880 Steve, ste if you so little understand women, You can never tell 724 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:45.559 a woman to shush yourself. We just had a skiing for abuse. I 725 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:46.920 had to try it, you know, of course I had to try at 726 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:51.760 least once. Uh No, here's the point, is uh. I mean, 727 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.280 they're they're they're right about this. I think that we're looking kind of 728 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.239 decrepit. On the other hand, is what I was coming to and hinted 729 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.039 at a moment ago. I don't know, and you know you call me 730 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:05.679 the infernal optimist of lucree Ship. But just pick out a couple of things 731 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.559 happening right now. One is, you know, we saw the guy who 732 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.760 was named I Forget, who was subdued the crazy amount on the subway. 733 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.599 It was being charged with manslaughter in New York right. Well, then last 734 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.000 week, I'm sure you guys have seen the clip it's all over Twitter and 735 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:22.360 social media of the seven to eleven owner in Stockton, California, who said, 736 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.199 I'm not going to let a shoplifter clean out my store, and he 737 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:28.400 and one of his employees got out a couple of broomsticks and beat the crap 738 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:31.440 out of the guy. And the city said we're going to investigate. And 739 00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.440 the city investigated for about twenty four hours and said they're not going to be 740 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:39.199 charged. Ah, that to me is progress. And you know, Stockton's 741 00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:43.960 kind of an old democratic, working class city. It's not some right wing 742 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.840 place. There's a few other things, like you know, you're seeing these 743 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:53.880 blue states New York City, Massachusetts declaring emergency over all the illegal immigrants that 744 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:58.239 are streaming into their cities. This is twenty years overdue. I've been saying 745 00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:04.000 Republican states should be sending illegal immigrants to Malibu, Marin County, Hyde Park, 746 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.159 Illinois and so forth for a long time to make them bear the cost 747 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:12.519 of the virtue signaling. And this is interesting to watch on a broader scene. 748 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.079 Just take off a couple more quickly on the broader scene. I don't 749 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.480 know if you're I pay attention to this stuff, of course, because I'm 750 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.159 a nerd, an energy nerd, but I won't mention a certain statue. 751 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.760 John, Don't worry. The whole net zero agenda is falling apart in real 752 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.639 time in front of us. The both political parties in Britain are trying to 753 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:35.400 back away from their net zero pledges. Germany and the other European states are 754 00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.239 all following in line. The new head of the UN's Climate Change Group said, 755 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.119 you know, we need to dial back the climate panic rhetoric. This 756 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.519 is not helpful. France has said, you know, we're not going to 757 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.519 go for green energy. We're gonna have a new generation of nuclear power. 758 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.039 Canada announced it's gonna reopen possibly a nuclear power plant it closed ten years ago. 759 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:59.039 So I'm I'm adding all these ups saying reality is starting to intrude. 760 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.760 It's got a long way to go yet. We have to relearn all these 761 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:06.000 lessons, as you know, the old Tom Wolf phrase about the great relearning. 762 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.280 We actually have to get back to broken windows policing. We have to 763 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:12.679 get back to actually locking up criminals. It's going to take time, but 764 00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:16.320 I think I think the force of reality and public opinion is pushing that way, 765 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.840 and even some Democrats won't be able to resist this, and they might 766 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.920 even lead it. And then finally, I'm taking a heart that we're finally 767 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.840 our team fighting the university wars for real, and you know, it's a 768 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.679 horrible, huge battle, but we're actually striking some blows here and there. 769 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.519 The news out today is that New College Florida, which all the lefts that 770 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.400 was going to fall apart, is going to have record enrollment in the fall, 771 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:45.480 and applications are way up, and they've eliminated this week their gender studies 772 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:47.599 program completely and you know, I'm going to file out a way as a 773 00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:51.639 win, and more things like that are coming, I think. So that's 774 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.000 why I'm somewhat optimistic today that you know, we're not routed everywhere. And 775 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:59.440 now you can tell me why I'm an infernal optimum. Let's just speak with 776 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.199 the latter one. The latter one is, that's nice. It's one little 777 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:07.000 college out of we know, Hillsdale's in the same boat. People don't want 778 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:12.719 to go to big universities that are totally woke, et cetera, et cetera. 779 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.480 But there aren't that many choices, and there's not going to be that 780 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:21.039 many choices. I mean, you read the chronicles Steve every single day. 781 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.360 It's, you know, this horror. They're never going to be able to 782 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:30.679 hire faculty because nobody wants to be in that horrific environment, you know, 783 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:36.360 the what's it called toxic work environment that anyway, So well, that's why 784 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.199 I want you to be president in one of these places. But I don't 785 00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:45.159 want to be president anywhere. All right, Well, all right, you 786 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.400 know, I just think there's reasons to Oh, the Wall Street Journal has 787 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:53.679 this terrific article out Friday on they've really gone a deep dive into flagship state 788 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.079 universities and they're profit like at spending and it's absolutely devastating, makes them look 789 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.920 terrible. And I don't think lucreation. They mentioned your particular university, but 790 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:05.800 I don't remember now anyway, No, but we're we're in debt except from 791 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.920 my college of course, right my college, by the way, I just 792 00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:15.079 have to mention, Yeah, all right, he admissions up sixty and it's 793 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:21.000 a new college, so sixty one percent over last year. Wow, sixty 794 00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:27.400 one percent? Yeah, I mean, is your college member of the Pack 795 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:35.480 two. I got the funniest comment last week on last week's podcast from Mike 796 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:37.840 Anonymous, who's my favorite commentor because he's the one who said I was hot, 797 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:44.440 That makes him my favorite commenter. But he said he said nice things, 798 00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:45.719 mean things about you, of course, John, and the nice things 799 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:52.320 about me. But then he said that treasonous cow college you belong to. 800 00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:57.719 Why are you leaving? Why are you leaving the Pack twelve? And what 801 00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.039 are you gonna do about it? It was great. I read it to 802 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:06.320 like a dozen people. Well, while we're talking, while we're talking sports. 803 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.840 The other great fun story of the week was the supposedly US women's soccer 804 01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:14.800 team, not clear they're Americans right, losing at the World Cup in ignominious 805 01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.280 fashion. Right Megan Rappano watching a penalty kick. That was really fun. 806 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:22.119 I enjoyed that thoroughly. I did too. We had we had some laughs 807 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.000 about that too, and all the people who were having angst about it, 808 01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:29.639 like even Franklin Graham was having angst about it on Twitter. I don't know 809 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:37.440 it, yeah, because he can't he can't bring himself to root against any 810 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.280 United States team, but he actually was rooting against them and was happy when 811 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:45.119 they lost, which was pretty much everybody's all right about it? Sorry, 812 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:49.599 all right, let's uh. You guys may or may not have nominees, 813 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.039 but I do want to try and keep up with our rolling book list. 814 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:58.760 And my suggestion was what's a good book for a general curious readership on politics 815 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:04.400 or political science? And I'm a huge fan of Kenneth Minogue's book Politics A 816 01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:08.440 very Short Introduction. It's part of that the Oxford series of very short introductions 817 01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:13.559 that are mixed bags. Sometimes are excellent, sometimes not. And I think 818 01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:16.239 even Lucretia you would like this book. I want to read just a little 819 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:23.840 bit from the very last chapter called Kim Politics Survived the twenty first century, 820 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:30.880 and he says this, in an egalitarian world, everyone is equal, except 821 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:37.639 perhaps the managers of managers of equality. And certainly in the foreseeable future, 822 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:42.719 there will be endless and not unprofitable work for those whose business it is to 823 01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.639 spell out an ever greater detail the rules of the game of life, and 824 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:52.480 to adjudicate conflict, and to teach the benighted what thoughts a just society requires. 825 01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:58.039 Politics will have died, but everything will be politics, And don't stop 826 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.199 stop be yawning there, Lucretia. That is that is a that is great 827 01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:04.320 stuff. That this book is entirely this book would be a great preface to 828 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.280 reading a more serious and difficult book like natural writing history, for example. 829 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:12.679 And by the way, you say I probably recommend Calvin and Hobbs at this 830 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.039 point, well, you know the guy at Bill Waterston wrote that he meant 831 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:21.639 the actual John Calvin and Thomas Hobbs. You know, he was a political 832 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.400 science major at Kenyon College back when conservators ran the political science to play. 833 01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:32.800 Except that there's nothing about either one of them that actually mirror those characters. 834 01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:37.519 But all that against him. But that's kind of why I picked their names. 835 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.039 And there is one famous there's one I keep around. It shows the 836 01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:44.960 two of them talking and I forget how it went. But one guy mentions, 837 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:45.480 oh, I'm gonna be a writer. What are you gonna write? 838 01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:52.320 And he has some bunch of ridiculous jargon. He says, academia. I 839 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:59.119 put that on my my you know, my online class page on one of 840 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.400 the I don't want to hear your nonsense stuff when you write a term paper 841 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:06.400 for me, John, Do you have a favorite politics book? I was 842 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:12.280 gonna suggest I was gonna hold on a second. Oh, I was gonna 843 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.079 can you hear me? Yeah? Okay, sorry, I thought I had. 844 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:19.360 I was going to suggest either two books I really enjoyed reading in college 845 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:22.320 by Danielle Bell, who's more of a sociologist than a political scientist. But 846 01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:29.039 he wrote a book called The Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism that was very good book, 847 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:34.320 which is a kind of kind of answer I guess to the you know, 848 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:39.760 dark time and the Protestant this capitalism and Protestant ethic and his argument, 849 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:45.400 which I think it really interests that capitalism produces lots of start pluses and it 850 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:51.440 makes us lazy, and then it undermines right the work ethic you need to 851 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.880 have capitalism. And then the other book he wrote that I really thought was 852 01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:58.280 very prescient, and these are the late eighties and I think we're still living 853 01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:01.920 working through it now. It was book called The Coming of Post Industrial Society 854 01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:06.559 and his argument, this is a book written in the at least the midst 855 01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:12.119 seventies, where he said the economy is going to really be based on information. 856 01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.920 Yeah and so and then he was he turned out to be totally correct, 857 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.480 and he tried to figure out what that would mean for society. But 858 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.239 he was you know, when the person who said, like the big conglomerate, 859 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:26.840 you know, mass production conglomerates will start to disappear, big unions will 860 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:31.239 not be that powerful, and you know, the people who can organize and 861 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:35.239 manipulate information will be the ones who do better in the economy, you know. 862 01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:39.239 And he wrote this in the seventies, and I think what he said 863 01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:41.599 turned out to be true. But we're still trying to figure out what at 864 01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.320 all, you know, what it all means for politics. Yeah, if 865 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:46.719 he were still with us, Yeah, he was an interesting guy. His 866 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.239 work holds up pretty well. And if he were still with us, I 867 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:56.679 think he would completely sympathize with you might say, the Trump world. He 868 01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:59.800 started out as a Marxist and by the end of his career he was a 869 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:05.760 kind of a Neil Khan, not a policy not form about welfare policy stuff. 870 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:10.320 But he said was he remained right. He remained a socialist in economics 871 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.320 but a conservative in culture, which that's trying to be more important. I 872 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.400 will add, because you know, I haven't annoyed Lucretia enough. In this 873 01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:20.519 episode, he wrote one of my mind, one of the greatest short essays 874 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:26.920 everywhere about anywhere about Max Weber called First Love and Early Sorrows and Partisan Review 875 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:30.400 in nineteen eighty two. It's something to read every new I still reread his 876 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:32.519 essay every now and then because it's really quite moving, I think. But 877 01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.239 Okay, since you guys got to talk on and on and on, I 878 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:44.519 get a whole bunch of Babylon bees because tell us no book about politics. 879 01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:47.360 That's my book about politics today because I don't want to talk about it. 880 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:51.000 I wanted to. I want because we had so much politics. There's so 881 01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:57.480 many Babylon bees. I can't but but since Steve brought up the soccer, 882 01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:00.039 this was my favorite, and I really wish that we had time on the 883 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.880 podcast for me to read. You know, there's the headlines and then there's 884 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:06.119 the when you think what they actually say. So I encourage everybody to go 885 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:13.679 to Babylonbie's Fake News you can Trust website and read Trump indicted for mocking US 886 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.840 women's soccer. But it's I mean, the really funny part of it is 887 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.760 it's just on and on about just a little bit of an example. The 888 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:27.559 sanctity of women's soccer is never to be made fun of USAIDS Special counsel Jack 889 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:31.039 Smith after reading the charges, every one of those highly attractive and beautiful women 890 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:38.400 is both stunning and brave. We believe Trump violated the Constitution somehow by making 891 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:41.000 fun of them on truth social and we will prove it as soon as we 892 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:45.599 can figure out which law he broke. Yeah, that happened like an hour 893 01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:51.159 after the thing came out. But now I won't do all of them that 894 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:56.679 I promised. I'll keep it short, but I like Democrats say, it'll 895 01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:00.599 take a lot more than eyewitness testimony, bank records, audio video, complete 896 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:09.920 confessions for them to believe Biden did anything wrong. That one's good. Sorry, 897 01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:14.679 there's there's so many study Okay, a little non politics for a moment. 898 01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:18.239 Studies show everyone at the beach absolutely wants to listen to your crappy music. 899 01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:23.360 So that baby up. And finally, this one's for you. John 900 01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:30.719 Biden vows to sacrifice as many Ukrainian lives as it takes to defeat Russia. 901 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.519 Yeah, they have to actually kind of you know, mortally true. God, 902 01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:38.519 I would every day. I'd love to have a seat on the periphery 903 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.920 of their writer's room. And they're sitting around cranking. You just have to 904 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.320 wonder. I mean, every day, every day they make me laugh, 905 01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:50.559 so many needs to well, No, I laugh all the time. Steve 906 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:54.079 had a great meme. I think it was yours. I can never remember 907 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.480 if it's yours or commenters who add them, which is now bigger than your 908 01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:02.360 memes on thinking pictures, but it was is this made me laugh? This 909 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:10.320 made you offended. That's why I'm happy in your man. Yes, all 910 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:12.519 right, John, you want to launch this out in the usual fashion. 911 01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.560 Yeah, so I did have a commulism, but it's like only two words, 912 01:08:15.640 --> 01:08:19.720 so I don't know if you saw. The Vice President Harris was at 913 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:27.399 a major gun violence conference in Chicago, and so she was asked this lengthy 914 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:32.720 question going through all the terrible shootings in Chicago, and then at the end 915 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:36.239 of the interviewers asked her, you know, does this weigh on your mind? 916 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:42.000 What should we do about gun violence? She turns this audience, which 917 01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.720 has many victims of gun violence in it, I read and says, go 918 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:50.199 to vote dot com, and then starts cackling and laughing. It was just 919 01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:55.319 so inappropriate and wrong. I saw a clip of this, and so her 920 01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:00.520 the commualism of the day is go to vote dot com. That's the answer 921 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:02.840 to all serious public Paul. You know, John, we've given up on 922 01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:09.079 our Bidenism. We for a while we had a Bidenism. And all I 923 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:13.960 want to say about that is Weather Channel and lead pipes. Did you see 924 01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:20.359 that she got He got asked by the Weather Channel, bimbo. Does that 925 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:24.800 make you all, miss rush Limbaugh? Yeah, by the way, the 926 01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:28.439 weather chim he you know, he gave after that all that stuff about the 927 01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:32.359 weather and how they only talked about the weather with the oligarchs and so forth. 928 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:36.640 He actually gives his only interview to the Weather Channel, John, and 929 01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:41.399 she asks him some deep question about why it is that, you know, 930 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:46.640 he hasn't more actively pursuing some something in this green agenda. And he says, 931 01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:55.399 lead pipes really ships. Yeah, okay, that's better than my communism 932 01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:59.520 might No, yours is pretty good too, because you know there's a different 933 01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:02.840 standard, not much of a difference standard, but a little bit. So 934 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:06.359 yeah, all right, John, go ahead, John, Okay, always 935 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:12.479 drink your whiskey, knee and let's go Brandon and Steve God save the queen 936 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:17.359 Man. Next week, gang whist say that you cannot change your mind. 937 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:25.279 Do it once and you divide. Do it twice and you divide. It 938 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:34.479 doesn't happen to be that way, okay. They always said that you need 939 01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:40.840 to have a plan. Doesn't matter, any plan, any plan. Don't 940 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:49.840 understand. It doesn't happen to be that way. Okay. I may be 941 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:55.920 wrong. I'll pay for it. I'll pay for it. Don't jump down 942 01:10:56.039 --> 01:11:00.159 song. I'll pay for it. I'll pay for ends. You'll sing along. 943 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:10.600 I'll pavor it, I'll pavor it, I'll pavor it. They always 944 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:15.680 said, he must stay between the lines, be easily defined, or you'll 945 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:24.399 waste in all your time. It doesn't have to be that way, okay. 946 01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:31.840 They always said that it has to be refined or you'll leave someone behind. 947 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:41.239 How the pages must be lying. It doesn't happen. Ricochet join the conversation.